February 15, 2022 — Transportation Advisory Board Regular Meeting

Transcript

Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:07] Alright, we are recording Tila so feel free to get started, and then I can share the rules slides. When you're ready hold on i'm trying to tell my phone I got it. i'm going sideways i'm going sideways again. And now we show call this meeting to order, thank you, it is six o'clock Monday the 14th of February 2022 we're calling to order the February. 2022 meeting and transportation Advisory Board. looks like we have. we're letting people in from the waiting room looks like everyone is in. So I will turn it over to our technical advisor host Alison Moore Feral to to run through the rules and expectations for this online meeting, and then we will we will get down to business.

[1:01] All right, terrific, let me just go ahead and share my screen. All right, thank you for joining us this evening This meeting has been called to conduct the business of the city of boulder. activities that disrupt delay or otherwise interfere with the meeting are prohibited the time for speaking or asking questions is limited to three minutes. No person shall speak except when recognized by the person presenting and no person shall speak for longer than three minutes. Each person shall register to speak at the meeting using your real name any person believed to be using a name, other than the one they are commonly known by will not be permitted to speak at the meeting. No video will be permitted, except for a city officials employees and invited speakers or presenters all others will participate by voice only. The person presenting at the meeting shall enforce these rules by muting anyone who violates any rule. If the chat function is enabled which it is, it will be used for individuals to communicate with the host it should be used for technical online platform related questions only.

[2:06] If an attendee attempts to use chat for any reason other than seeking assistance from the host the city reserves the right to disable that individuals access to check only the host and individuals designated by the host will be permitted to share their screen Thank you Tila. Thanks very much ellison. Okay, our first order of business, we will turn to the January 2022 meeting minutes, this is a great time to speak up have you have any amendments corrections or alterations to the minutes before we consider them for approval. hi mark. i'm. one. One on page two bottom of the page under tab comments.

[3:02] The. The final bullet point reach concurrent expressed regarding communicating to new Council with clarity so that's fine. hyphen. people get stuff done my intention with that comment. I didn't watch the tape was that Council as told city staff be bold get stuff done not tab telling Council hold get stuff done so, I wanted to, I think that needs to be clarified. Okay, do you have alternate wording to suggest. Council has told staff to be bold and get stuff done. Okay, that clear enough meredith. i'm glad you brought that up mark to say I knew that was your comments and I wasn't certain that that was clear.

[4:03] As meredith on yet God, you are. busy oh. that's okay. um any other corrections or revisions i'm going to assume, unless I see wailed show of hands that that is an uncontroversial correction. Coming from. The speaker. Okay, any other corrections or revisions to the Minutes. I think I had one minor one, and it was basically talking about the. Service reductions in our TD from Daniel connors. update. There were kind of two different ways that we described them so i'm looking at the bottom of page four. In the management staff it's number 123 and it's pretty clear in that third bullet point.

[5:01] that the system optimization plan projects 85% of service from pre coated rates and just under the tab comments, the second bullet point says clarification 85% service reduction is system, why. It is a reduction of service but it's not an 85% reduction of services, a reduction of service to 85% of pre koba levels. We could call it a 15% service direction or 85% service I don't know target or something but it's not an 85% service reduction and I just wanted to because it's only name twice in these Minutes, I wanted to make sure we were. Talking about the same thing higher up it's called an 85% service threshold. on it. Great so again i'm going to assume, unless I see. waving hands or shouting that that's going to be an uncontroversial just minor correction to the Minutes and otherwise.

[6:01] Seeing know, while chatting and hands, I will entertain a motion to approve the Minutes from January 2022 meeting. As amended. So. Thank you, mark. l second. i'm. touch you unmuted you ready to say yay yes hi. Craig. approved Brian Alex have Okay, the Minutes are approved as amended, thank you very much meredith nice job. I forgot to say happy valentine's day everybody. So thanks for sharing the love here tonight let's do our best to be expeditious move it along. But I do have, as always appreciate that people spend their valuable hours and especially on a holiday when we would like to be spending with other people, I mean you're all lovely and all that.

[7:00] Hopefully we can we can do both this evening alright we're going to carry on. We have on this agenda this evening to public hearing items one is going to be about the draft safety stop legislation that the state level. And the so called Idaho stop about non motorized travelers approaching signals or otherwise controlled intersections and we will also be talking about that our TV draft service optimization. proposal and so both of those items will be subject for discussion and input from the public, later on, if you are here, however, as a member of the public, you want to talk about something else that's terrific, and this is your moment as allison reminded us earlier. We normally allow three minutes per person on on public comment, I see no reason to deviate from that this evening, but if you are here to talk about. The rtb service cuts and the the safety stock legislation i'd ask you to hold your comments until the time that we open up the public hearing for that That being said, go ahead and raise your hand you are here as a member of the public, and would like to speak during the tab.

[8:16] i'm going to turn it over to allison to. To moderate this section. All right, and I just one moment, while I pull up the timer and i'm going to start with sherry, because in the. chat to let me know she wanted to speak so we're going to have sherry first and then I see Stephen after that so sherry, you can go ahead and speak and start with a three minute timer. Alright, go ahead Jerry. I wanted to make. I guess my parents had live on upland and you guys have put in put a parking structure in front of them is supposed to slow down the traffic in their neighborhood. And the chicane, I think, is how it's pronounced as right on my dad it's blocking my dad's driveway.

[9:04] And those people that live down at the end of the block they flipped my data off when they drive down. The street because they think that he put this chicane thing up and i've been trying to talk to Ryan knowles. over a year now, I spoke with him, and that is supposed to be switched around and it's still currently isn't switched around and my big thing is, is that it really. isn't slowing the people down and we'd rather have speed bumps when they had the meeting last year about the speed bumps the people who didn't want the speed bumps. Were the people that live down at the end of the block and those are the ones that are are speeding. Oh, and then my husband remind me The other thing is is they drive on my my dad's property because they go to the right of the chicane end up driving in my parents property. Most of the neighbors that are on the actual block which my parents have lived there for 52 years.

[10:03] Those people there wanted speed bumps but the neighborhood that's at the end of blah up the block of upland. There it's a new neighborhood since I live there and they would rather have this chicane well. I guess they voted on the chicane thing I don't think they want anything because they speed down the street all the time they did put up one of the speed limit. I guess the things that check your speed and they said the I guess the city said that Ryan told me that that study. showed that it slows people down, but it really isn't slowing them down the big thing is, is my mom and dad are at two years old. And it's hard for my dad to get out of his driveway because for one it's blocking part of his driveway and the other side of it is blocking the driveway completely, we have an acre of land and we need to get the sewer truck back there to pump. pump the sewer I guess is what it is and the landfill the leach field and we can't even hardly get that truck back there because it's been blocked.

[11:06] So I just would like maybe somebody to review it and, like I said it's 2110 upland and the chicane is in my parents driveway it's blocking my parents driveway. And there was a police officer that was in the neighborhood my dad stopped in the police officer said yes, it is in your driveway but I can't. Work for the city I can't give the city a ticket, so I would just like possibly to get that reviewed again, if possible, it really needs to be moved because it's causing a big problem in my parents driveway. Alright, thank you, sherry. sherry, thank you. And next up I have Steven hey doll Stephen. Mark mark what. Sorry, I. Think I think we're thinking, the same thing, we would like to give city staff, a chance to respond at this. moment I haven't response. I know natalie sticklers on but she just got on but I didn't know if anyone else on city staff wants to.

[12:06] sort of flag it here at the meeting for follow up. yeah so I can, can you hear me. And I know you probably didn't hear the whole thing. yeah I didn't hear the whole thing, but we can follow up after this the we we are planning to move the chicanes on upland. Okay, and that work will be occurring like in here in q1, but we can follow up with more detail, after this I. Okay that's just from the little bit I heard so. I wanted to just say I hadn't. I did not know you were planning movement so that's that's great Thank you cheri for coming tonight we hear you when we're we're circling back all right terrific mark, did you have anything else to add. just that. I remember. That, I believe that the property owners were this chicanes are at some point had talked to Ryan and agreed to kind of swap the locations of the north and south chicane that they would move opposite east and west of each other and that would address that particular issue that.

[13:18] sherry had had brought up and that that was that was something that the property owners there had agreed to and and again given the kind of partially temporary nature of this change that wasn't too hard to do. Okay. And just to share a that the Ryan. is no longer with the city so and he was in you know, an excellent resource for the history of those sorts of things so anyway, if you're having trouble getting hold of him that might be why. Alright, thank you, sherry. Next up I have Steven hide else do you then i'm going to ask you to unmute and you can go ahead and.

[14:05] Go Gospel folder after the snow storms, the city has done an excellent job of clearing the vehicle or roadways around me that's Rabbo Canyon and broadway. The problem is, is that. The block the curb ramps pretty much every crosswalk on those roads. I think some of the businesses that cleared them, but then after the snowplows came by two or three times they're buried in a flutter to have snow and ice. And the only way to get anything done is to do complaint or boulder multiple times after every single snowstorm. Or if there's a plan to. If the city has any plan of clearing those after snowplow let's go through them.

[15:06] This has been a common issue, the last number years once they started pushing all this note of the curve and said to the Center one car got stuck. Austrian inviting a wheelchair by pushing a stroller body on crutches anybody using a Walker which I saw one lady almost fall over. And then 14th is stuck for days on end. After these storms, about two or three days the north side of Canyon arapahoe clear because of the sun, the South side pretty much never did maybe. weird, but if you go out there, right now, it is all the south side crickets. Probably 80% of them are impossible or anybody with a disability or pushing okay.

[16:05] um so it's just up to the city, this has been pushed off, year after year. The change of. Pushing all the snow to the curb about four years ago, made this 10 times worse. just wonder if there's a plan to actually address it without having somebody like me. i'm going to do, multiple enquire folder tickets every single store Thank you. Thank you, Stephen. Thank you Steven. next step, I have soo soo i'm going to ask you to unmute right now, you can go ahead and start speaking. hi I just have a real quick thing so getting on the meeting today it's listed under like home city government events.

[17:02] And it's not really listed on the tab web page, so you go the tab web page and you look for agendas, then there's like every agenda, and then you click on this agenda. And it says meeting link will be posted, but you have to know to go to events and, for some reason I didn't know to go there, but um, so I would suggest that it'd be a little easier to find how to get on the zoom meeting thanks. I was noticing some of our regulars were coming on much later than usual what I was wondering if there was something going on with that. Thank you so we'll look into that next step, I have Gary Gary i'm going to ask you to unmute and you can go ahead and speak. I want to reinforce oh i'm Gary spreading your live in North boulder and I just want to reinforce Stevens point about snow removal and the needs.

[18:01] For non motorized transportation it's. um I do think there's a problem with a snow plowing systems and it's not just that the snowplows cause problems caused the problem it's also that we don't do enough in and I. So I rode my bicycle from broadway in London down to downtown on Sunday well that's a day after the storm and I didn't really expect things to be perfect. It was a little dangerous, in fact, but you know, the thing that bugs me the most was that the there were as I wrote on the sidewalk and on broadway. There were plates stretches where property owners had not shoveled their sidewalk and they turned in the ice and then, of course, that I could not right there at all. Then, on the way back north or us 13 street the official bike route supposedly a green street, and it was unrightable to because the city I don't think the city had plowed 13th or at least sections of it had not been plowed like near Community gardens.

[19:10] So, like elder to Community gardens and Community garden to iris those sections were in cloud, and it was impossible to ride a bike on the green street, so I think that the whole issue of snow and. bicycling and walking needs to be a little more leads to be reviewed again and I did have a conversation with city staff about it. As a member of the Community cycles advocacy committee about two years ago, three years ago and we thought there was gonna be some progress i'm not sure there has been. Thanks Gary. Thank you. i'm very good natalie um I know after the Marshal fire that some of our snow removal. And plowing equipment was re directed to help out neighboring communities i'm going to assume that is still the case, can you confirm or deny or tell us how that impact is is is impacting our current snow removal response.

[20:16] In terms of our current snow removal response, we, the staff helped out superior just starting the first event but the second of that all very shortly on the heels, and so that meant for our community that there were there was icing underneath some of the snow that. fell and then we had to go through, and try and treat and do things retroactively, so that created somewhat of an issue in this most recent times. We were also impact impacted by coven and so people, you know that normally would have been there have been out. but also that we, in terms of you know multi use paths and trying to get some of the more public areas that are the narrow spaces etc we're down to just simply one one.

[21:06] piece of equipment with one operator currently so after you some of our response times but we're doing two things one is that we're hoping everyone gets well quickly. So there's that but then the second thing is that natalie and I have asked the snow team to go back and see what we might do and within the current financial portfolio, to see how we could better. increase you know our service footprint and so that will be something that happens after this current snow season, because. You know It just seems to be coming in waves right. Okay, I appreciate that I happen to be looking through my notes from tabs you know, four and five years ago and it's the same comments over and over you know.

[22:01] It gets cleared their persistent trouble spots, the plowing by the machinery on the roadways complicates the clearing it's already happened by responsible citizens on the sidewalks on the curb cuts. So. My may you know. Yes, um it just you know, one of the things is that we get frequent comments from Oh, you know I came from a snowy place back East you know name your city, etc. Where the cities are much larger, but they also are staffed at larger numbers, with more equipment with more staff and personnel and to date Council you know it has taken a more conservative approach, because we have this wonderful thing, called the sun here in Colorado. You know, helps the military, a lot of those issues and so instead of staffing for sort of peak. Issues that there's a lower level of staffing and equipment with the understanding that you know within a day or so usually the snow has melted, and that is a choice that Councils made and that every year they have an opportunity to reconsider that as part of the budget.

[23:18] Well, said, thank you. Do we see anyone else. I do not see anyone has their hand raised. Man public comment mark mcintyre I see you have your hand up my. One and. one. And then just raise your hand okay. Okay Mike. On this. yeah I do have a comment on this, and that is again. I have written about this myself as a tab number over the years. And I want to emphasize that. That our snow plowing team or transportation staff is dedicated incredibly hard working and does a lot with what they have and especially under coven and loaning of equipment to neighboring municipalities I don't think anyone.

[24:11] Neither Stephen or Gary is here criticizing the dedication hard work of any of our staff, especially under difficult circumstances. What I interpret this as a call for is an analysis and change in procedures and plans to put pedestrian cycling and he kept walkways are green streets on par with our tutorials and we're asking for staff to do that analysis and to bring.

[25:00] The same level of analysis that would have any other important safety issue. To this particular issue so that that is that's my comment for tonight, again, it is not about the particular circumstances, right now, but rather about our policies procedures reflective of the Communities values for safety for non automotive travelers. Thank you Mike okay sorry to interrupt go ahead and Lynn or allison when. I when i'm going to ask you to unmute and you can go ahead and start speaking. I would really like to see my video it's been to friggin years when are you going to get the videos on come on get with it people snap out of it. This is friggin ridiculous, I want to know you know at least I know how many participants are here, but I don't know who's here, I want to know who's here who's here pretty simple.

[26:05] Rather can't believe this soon, and now I was driving my bike down to the Marshal fire and guess what the path just ends at darley. Going South poof it's gone i'm going across a major highway on my bike you know to no way to get across without going back now what happened to the bike trails i'll tell you what happened. East boulder working group East boulder development, you know the millennium that all of this development you've got to have a lobby against the planning board, are you hitting nowhere. You know these people sherry that you know hasn't had any attention for a year, with a father situation at seven years old. These are things you got to be right, on top of and you got to have the money and you're not going to have the money when you've got more and more people coming here breaking out our water supply, you know. And all of these developments and you've got to have a wannabe on it you're, the ones who have to take the hit.

[27:08] For all of this extra traffic all over boulder within boulder without boulder all over the place, I don't like riding my bike at all to go East at all. Because it's so noisy and i'm noxious and you just want to build more and more and sprawl boulder and that's what the planning boards doing and you're sitting back and just taking it, you need to stand up as a lobby against them, you need to have. An integrated process here going on, you know, an unspoken off like I always do cranky me 45 degrees in my house, you know i'm doing my part. it's probably 35 now I don't know it's cold and and it seems like there's nothing happening, you know integration it never happens integration with the other departments.

[28:02] A holistic view of boulder and the growth and and see you south is just absolutely stark raving mad to even consider even dream for a moment of something like that we can't handle the growth that we've got. You know, you want to be New York City people coming here expecting all of that money coming into the place and for our diverse weather situations. And then, then cut back on the growth it's it's got to stop somewhere because there's no end to it it's completely inelastic market it'll people becoming here as fast as they can for as long as they can and for as much housing as they're getting here and that's called planning board. Thank you. Thanks Lynn. All right, I do not see any other hands raised. Neither do I, so we will go ahead and close the public comments section of the meeting, but don't put your timer away yet because we'll move right into the public hearing about the proposed safety stock legislation.

[29:15] All right. I understand, Carl Castillo is out of town and so Eric Avandia brands, going to be handling the the presentation on this one this evening. So, thank you very much, America that and brown the director of transportation mobility so just so everyone's aware Carl did not prepare a specific presentation, but he did prepare the memo. And you just the thumbnail summary is that before the legislature is HIV 1026 which is for the safety stop and as to that earlier, also known as the Idaho stop and essentially. By changing the current law allows on jurisdictions to adopt, but does not require statewide the implementation of that safety stop process and now.

[30:07] I guess that's one thing to say, and what that actually is, is that, whenever bicyclist or pedestrian or similar low profile slow speed. form of. nobility comes to a comes to a sign a stop sign or a traffic control signal that there's the ability to essentially yield, and you know. what's not come to a full stop if it's deemed to be safe now in this I guess the my understanding is in the past Tampa considered some more. You know whether or not the city should implement that particular stop here in the city and the answer previously had been no, however. In more recent times, other jurisdictions, as well as other States have implemented the safety stop there are arguments as Carl had said on both sides, one is that.

[31:08] in favor of the safety stop that there are certain pieces of research that say that it's much safer for bicyclists and pedestrians to do that. Power there's almost an equal amount of information that says that there are some other safety considerations that in terms of expectations about milk from motorists and motorists having heavy cars. As well as in our particular city that students come from all over the place where this may or may not be a rule, and so it has implications in terms of I guess consistency of how people were to follow this. As Carl had said that the city's current legislative agenda doesn't speak to this issue, specifically, however, there are.

[32:05] There are pieces of the city's legislative agenda that tab could use to draw from those being opposing threats to local control and home roll. Similarly, encouraging complete streets that accommodate people almost a travel and then also furthering the city's Vision Zero action plan which case their arguments on either side of it, I think, with that I will stop and. Basically yield to you know the public comment and tab and just wanted to make sure that you are aware that Council is seeking. You know, have a recommendation on hb 1026 as to whether or not the City Council should take a position and favor in opposition stay neutral or be in favor with amendments so with that I will stop the presentation, thank you very much.

[33:12] Thanks Eric I just one point of clarification, you talked about the legislative agenda of Council having sort of three. portions that my way, one way or the other, and on the third one, you said Vision Zero is one of them, and it cuts both ways and I didn't know if you meant. Consideration of all three of these things, and things cuts both ways or the Vision Zero portion in particular that there might be arguments on both sides. With Vision Zero in particular. Okay, can you articulate that a little more for me. Yes, so in terms of the Eurovision zero that it's intended to you know, to eliminate serious crashes and fatalities and so, given the legends are given the research, the body of research for this particular stop the safety stop.

[34:04] There is information on both sides that would be one in favor of implementing the STOP with the assumption, and with the data. That say it would be safer for bicyclists so instead of having to come to a full stop it's actually safer, to be able to proceed through. You know, an intersection that's otherwise controlled were stopped on a stop sign or stoplight under certain circumstances so early there's information on the side that said that this might not be a you know, a. desirable thing to do, because cars are a lot heavier than you know vehicles and so forth, and. policy perspectives aside, but also, you know just expectations and then there's the potential impacts of people not having clarity of understanding of what the STOP is and so.

[35:02] That it is a essentially yield to ongoing traffic if it's not safe to cross and, instead, taking it as having the right voice to be able to do so, so that is, those are the pieces of data, if you will, that have been out there in the Community. Okay. Thank you, I was remiss earlier and not sort of describing what our. General. sort of order of businesses when we have a public hearing item we are proceeding generally, there is a description or a presentation by city staff of what the issue is. And then we'll usually open it up for clarifying questions by members of tab without. sort of weighing in on what we think the merits ought to be, and where we're kind of falling if there is a decision to be articulated we don't do that until after we then after the clarifying questions by tab open it up to comments from members of the public who wish to address.

[36:07] city staff and tab on this matter so at the moment we've just completed the the presentation by city staff and description of what what the issue is. It sounds like you're agnostic at the moment from staff side is that fair to say Erica yes. Yes, and so we'll open it up now for clarifying questions by members of tab and then we will open it up for comment from members of the public, so for right now, let me. pull over my meeting here and see if any Members of tab have any other questions, I know I jumped in right away with with one of them, but. If other members of tab would like to ask questions at the moment of what the specifics are that we're being asked to weigh in on what the legislation does etc anyone. Okay i'm seeing a new activity oh right hi. Do thanks um well, I guess, I have a question from my my tab colleagues so i'm not close to the research on very close to restrain this, but my my general I mean on the question of.

[37:12] Whether literature suggests that the. Safety stop you know, has did as differing effects towards safety cyclist or not my general impression is that the. Vision Zero advocacy Community tends to think this is this is, this is a policy that's helpful towards towards the cause of. Rights of cyclists and safety, but I could be mistaken so i'm just curious if my my tab colleagues free at this is, you know baited or is it is it more time for that no, this is, I don't know if there's a clear answer. anybody's willing to. answer that. So I haven't heard too much from the Vision Zero side of it, in particular, but first, this has been a lifelong interest for general.

[38:09] cycling proponents and cycling advocacy organizations and I think I think we'll get more into the reasons for that one we're really discussing about where we're coming from and how we're weighing in on that and I think that the one thing I would like to sort of keep in mind is that. When Erica was talking about, you know here is the information or the data that we have about what the results are that is certainly a valid thing to think about but. For me there's also the point about what should our policy be which are stated expectations be about different users on the road and they're different. abilities to to pose threats and into. inflict damage on other road users, and I think Erica alluded to, that a little bit about. The you know motor motor vehicles in cars generally having a lot more mass and just able to move faster and be heavier and it's like more damage on people and so that even if these crashes are far and few between or.

[39:15] it's hard to say you know, but for the fact that it's like we've had to stop and make a full stop at lightweight at the light got rear ended or something. That might be a rare occurrence and it's hard to say, you know that the. ones who broke the law were able to get through the intersection and we don't have data on them, precisely because they weren't involved in the crash that's that's sort of you know belies. The difficulty of weighing data versus what our policy preferences ought to be, and so I just kind of want to to bring that up, and so, as I say, I don't have a whole lot of information from the Vision Zero side, but just as a. Thought experiment. about what should the our streets look like and are the rules that we have right now, appropriate and is it appropriate to adjust them has often been.

[40:03] very persuasive in in having municipalities change change this rule or change the way that that cyclists and motorists and pedestrians are expected to behave in intersections. yeah I had a clarifying question, and maybe I was misreading the brief a little bit Erica. But I was reading into it, that this part of the reason for the question in the discussion was there was a view that, should this simply be a local thing or where we happy or unhappy that there was an initiative at the state level. That was trying to create a generalized solution and should we be for against that. Is is that yeah and I don't know if I heard that comment from you or whether that is, in fact, our briefs that we should be thinking about you know our local independence versus a common solution across the state. So, I guess, let me only give it another go currently the State Law fit law allows an individual jurisdiction to choose whether or not.

[41:09] It will legislator provide support and allow a safety stop, otherwise known as an Idaho stop to date with that city of boulder has chosen not to go forward. To do that, because we understand and past conversations, there have been concerned about safety for bicycles pedestrians and expectations within the motorist community. The ask of Council slept Councils legislative committee to tab is to be able to weigh the. pop you know so that way, a policy perspective and then what your knowledge bases, with regard to transportation safety Vision Zero etc, and to make a recommendation to Council as to whether or not.

[42:00] They representing the city of boulder should support this legislation at the State level or oppose it or support with Amendment amendments or stay neutral on it, and so that is the ask of the legislative committee and city council. gotcha thanks. So much your question was is that a basis to oppose it, I think, because what you were saying I think I thought I heard that there was you know because it might. Just I was trying to just. throw it. Out there there. is a big or little sounds like it's more a little local independence angle, you know geez you know if we let the State do this, then they might do that that new thing. But. If the primary ask is is based on expertise expertise and safety and transportation issues, and I think I have a better idea of how to approach it. Okay yeah so you're Okay, I think you're clear, then, but, but the short answer your question is yes, that was that was a concern that was a basis to consider maybe opposing it.

[43:11] All right, anyone else cab clarifying questions. Well, we can always do them as they occur to them also but let's go ahead and move to the public hearing on this. We are having a public hearing just because to take action as tab and to recommend not recommend make anything like that we we are required to have a public hearing so i'm pleased to see that there are people here. But even if you aren't. We, we have the opportunity for the public to weigh in on this at this time three minutes apiece. Already. I had based on who raised their hand first I have Michael then Gary and Stephen so Michael i'm going to go ahead and ask you to unmute and you can begin speaking.

[44:00] Sure i'm my name is Michael Desmond i'm here both on as an individual, but also on behalf of Community cycles and you know, we support the safety stop as Eric mentioned, there is data to support the safety improvements that are result from from the safety stop. To the extent there's data sort of, on the other side it sounded to me as though that relates to expectations, that is to say, does everyone understand what a stop sign or a light means for them, and that I think auger is actually in favor of not choosing this is a place to. You know, fight the Home Rule fight, but instead to pursue a statewide approach, so that there is uniformity across the state in how people both you know book pedestrians and cyclists and vehicles everybody understands what that sign means for them so that there's a uniform approach.

[45:05] And I think that's why you know where it has been adopted uniformly, we have seen reductions in the numbers of crashes. In addition, I think it is useful to frame this sort of correctly, because you know we're not for cars, we would need stop signs and we wouldn't need we wouldn't need streetlights right bicycles and pedestrians are able to sort of navigate. These intersections on their own, without the aid of those sort of traffic control devices, and so the only reason that cyclists are sort of struggling with this issue is because there are cars present. So to frame it right, I think we need to realize that this is a car problem, not a bike problem and, as a consequence, cyclists and pedestrians shouldn't be the ones who sort of bear the consequences.

[46:01] Of the problem that is presented by vehicles, and I think this this safety stop helps us move in the right direction, getting us away. From a car dominated perspective on how management of our roads is to occur. It gives pedestrians and cyclists, the sort of benefit of being able to roll through the intersection frankly, which is what a lot of folks already do least at stop signs. And, and so it doesn't criminalize behavior that. really is pretty natural behavior and it and it allows those cyclists to sort of get out of the intersection get out of these dangerous places more quickly and more efficiently so they are kind of on their way on you know bike paths and in places where. they're they're better protected than at the intersection Thank you. Alright, thank you, Michael.

[47:04] All right next up, we have Gary Gary i'm going to ask you to unmute. And you can go ahead and speak. out Jerry Springer live in North folder. I am, I strongly support the Idaho stop as the law of what should be the law and policy for the state of Colorado probably the United States. I have two main. To main points to make the first is about the need for uniformity when it comes to traffic control laws. It really we really still like drivers expectations drivers need to expect that bicyclists are going to have this kind of approach to stop signs and stop lights or that kind of approach. We need to have clarity on that for all drivers in the state of Colorado and in right now, it is not clear, because we have the potential of a mishmash of different policies, so I asked you to think about.

[48:03] It What if we had that same kind of mishmash on the the allowance of right turn on red at stoplights when if some cities could ban that and give motorist tickets for turning right on read when you know the city right next door doesn't do that that would be. You know, a problem, and so I think this is not a place where local control applies meaning uniform standard for the state of Colorado when it comes to the Idaho state safety stop. My second point is more about. What do people really believe or what's the normal behavior or how does the law can conform with with the way people actually behave. And I think right now, it does not conform very much with way most cyclists behave if you roll up to a stop sign in a neighborhood. Where there's no cars around and it's very quiet you don't stop, and if you are at a intersection with a stoplight and the middle of the night at midnight say.

[49:11] Generally speaking, you might look around, but you probably won't stop and wait, it feels it doesn't feel right to just stop and wait in a red light in the you know when there's no other cars around, so I would say in general. We went a lot of reflect the way. We want people to believe in law and when it when it doesn't conform to what makes seems like common sense, then people don't believe in the law so. We. do feel that the law needs to change, to be more adaptable to the way to adapt to the way most cyclists behave and think things should be Thank you. Thank you Gary.

[50:01] All right next up I have Stephen Stephen i'm going to ask you to unmute. Gospel neighborhood. i'm all in favor of this i'm very. surprised that folder as never. tried to make a city ordinance I know there's a few cities in Colorado that have done this, I think Colorado springs remember. This is great. just looking at bicycle Colorado side on their stats when Delaware implemented this their crashes involved bicyclist letters dropped 23% once after adoption night oh it fell 14.5% year after the adoption. I think it's the negative. We will be next door will light up sure the daily camera letters to the editors will light up but.

[51:03] You know scofflaw cyclists rolling through stop signs, but you know that's good that they actually see us I think it's a great thing to do and push that state level, it makes it a uniform as Gary Michael pointed out across this state so. There are negatives, I think it's just PR and. and They they give. Thank you, Stephen. And that's all I see Tila. that's all I see as well, thank you allison oh. hold on. Your. History. All right, Linda i'm going to ask you to unmute and you can begin speaking.

[52:02] Maybe if I knew who was in line you know, but since I get a black window and I don't know what's going on here like you know everything you're in control, good for you and. As far as stop signs I don't pay attention to them at all, I never have and stop lights, the same thing i'm watching out for one thing, my survival and again large scale. Vehicles behemoths compared to me and all you know I don't trust them I you know which is sad because i'd rather you know, have a standoff with a car and let them go then then then be messing with them. and And I agree that it should be statewide it should be national should be international and probably is an Amsterdam.

[53:02] And Idaho Shame on us for not being ahead of the ball on this, but um yeah I. i'm just concerned more much more about meth users and being out on the creek path now i'm scared to ride my bike now i'm not. Driving my car except once every six months, but now i'm not driving my bike fish because i'm scared of them and what are you going to do about them planning board. The more you build the more homeless, you have the more homeless, you have the more despair, you have the more despair, you have the more meth you have, the more people jumping out on the bike path. And interrupting you know people that are trying to use it as a path to get their friggin groceries you know. That I don't care what meth users do, but they they they can't be jumping out in the bike path that's not okay that's so not OK, and then, with their poor innocent dog with them, you know that has no control.

[54:07] I came with an inch of that dog. And I was writing very carefully i'm always screening and looking all the time, so do something about the meth addicts do something about them. And to do that, you got to deal with the planning board because they're building as fast as they can and they're making the problem so much worse. and private equity firms are buying up all the housing in the United States and and, like me, you know what the new rent is gets that's what the new rented 5 million for. Over 16 million and Aspen we aren't Aspen you know and and boulder can't accommodate you know tiny homes and and you know mobile home communities that the lens to valuable here sorry to say.

[55:00] Thanks Lynn. Thank you. Okay, now that looks like everybody yes. Yes, I think we're good. Okay, great I am I was reminded during the public comment that I failed to ask a clarifying question they had intended to ask Eric I don't know if you know. I am curious about whether ticketing cyclists for failing to stop at a stop sign or a red light sign yields any significant or measurable number of tickets per year in the city of boulder. So I don't know that off the top of my head, I know that whenever Carl had spoken with the police department that they didn't see that this was I guess you know, an epidemic providing tickets like that, within the Community, but that is what I recall from our conversation.

[56:01] So by understanding correctly, this is not like scofflaw cycling is not a scores that PD is working to battle. Now, I think that the only clarification, they had was that it created by if the longer to pass, then it creates an ambiguity of who might be charged in the event of a of a of a. of a crash. crash and. Basically I just had this image of you know, the person on the bicycle or the pedestrian whenever you have even as a very slow moving vehicle typically doesn't come out on the positive side, so. Okay, so I guess that is worth clarifying exactly how. This law. works. My understanding is. For a person outside of a motor vehicle for a cyclist someone on a scooter one of these, you know rideshare scooters someone possibly on a skateboard i'm not sure.

[57:11] In the bike lane approaching either a stop sign or a stoplight if they approach, a stoplight they are expected to stop, but if there is no traffic, with the right of way they know proceed without waiting for a green. Correct correct under. And if there is traffic that is supposed to be. Using that green light, they are supposed to stay there just the way that they do today. Yes. And if that person is approaching a stop sign and they can see approaching that stop sign that there is no other approaching person with the right of way. Who would cross in front of them and then they may proceed without even stopping provided they don't exceed X number of miles an hour I forget what the number is and the draft legislation correct.

[58:02] I can see in the draft legislation that there were X number of miles. It is a, it is a series of speed threshold at which they are expected to slow down. Okay, so. But they can, but they don't have to come to a full stop they can I love that is go. And if someone is there, waiting or approaching, who would have the right away over them, they are expected to behave the same way that they do. Today, and treat it just the same way that they do it's only if there's no one there they don't have to yield to ghosts. They don't have to yield to go, but on the other hand, they have to make sure that there are no ghosts around. Right and so mistakes happen, and this is part of the Vision Zero. You know theology here is that mistakes happen and we're trying to make sure that mistakes are not deadly when they do occur, but we know that they do occur. So, granted that people make mistakes, under the current law and could make mistakes, under the new law if there is a conflict, if there is a crash. Then I understand there are difficulties now and under the proposed change about who was supposed to yield to whom.

[59:08] I don't see unless you have a different perspective I don't see that this change makes it any more difficult in the event that someone failed and messed up and failed to yield to someone else had the right of way. It strictly says a person who was on the bicycle who did not put their foot down or come to a complete stop before proceeding through should not be ticketed is that fair. I think it's fair enough i'm trying to you know, represent the PD without the PD being here, but in the conversation that I recall, is that they felt that it was slightly clear on under the current law because you know if there was a red light. And someone who's been through it then obvious you know, there was much more obvious. Right and i'm guessing that and again i'm not going to ask you to represent the PD you here i'm guessing that the police department in general, it has not been taking people unless there is a problem unless there is a crash or a close call or someone had to.

[60:09] swear about their way. I heard heard nothing either for or against the state. Okay, all right sorry for the cross examination, but I just kind of wanted to get that as clear as possible on the record. Okay, I would like to open it up now for members of tab to discuss sort of where where they're coming out on this, I am going to. sort of for the sake of expediting the meeting invoke what I often do. In these cases, and just take a straw poll, whether people are leaning toward support support with amendment or oppose let's just say that those are the three options at the moment, so if we can. cut short some of the the the discussion by saying we're all kind of basically at the same starting point, that would be may be helpful to expedite this portion of the meeting, can I just see a show of hands, if people are thinking of opposing this proposed legislation.

[61:04] OK, I see none support with amendment, do you think there's something that needs to be changed with what's proposed. Let me see nothing and leaning towards support. Okay, I see five leaning towards support terrific and I do want to you know have some discussion of it, so that we have some basis for for backing it up, but that's a very helpful thing, so if Members of tab would like to. weigh in on why they're supporting, as you know, quickly and succinctly, as you can I would be very interested to hear your thoughts. Right and you unmuted first well done. You, I think this is clearly in the interest of the rights of cyclists gary's Stephen and Michael help to explain some reasons why it was very clear to me. To get supports the goals our goals of non car options, by reducing friction i'm riding a bike, among other things, it's not clear to me why there's any ambiguity enforcement there's probably a learning learning process like there is, in the case of any new legislation seems pretty straightforward.

[62:19] Thank you. So much Alex. yeah i'm i'm supportive mostly for you know any anecdotal reasons. i've seen where people struggle tilt over. learning to news use new clips etc, you know through stopping at intersections than I have when people. slow down look around and keep going, you know by far. That maybe that I typically ride with pretty safe people I also recall in California some years ago, as part of a sort of unsanctioned race.

[63:04] And I slowed down slightly at a stop sign and nobody else did and shortly thereafter the policeman pulled over every single person, except for me. And I went up to him and I was like Okay, you know i'll give you my take and you said no, no, no, not not you. You saw down, I saw you. So I think that, in fact, this has been practice in places with lots of writers and maybe, in particular those will clip ons for a long, long time and, as one of the speaker said, you know when when when when laws do not reflect very, very common practice, they tend to get. ignored anyway, so why don't we stop ignoring them and why don't we just change them. Great. Thanks so much. let's do Alex and then mark. I support this because it legalizes what's always felt intuitive to me and I like the idea of consistency statewide, and so I wouldn't want to amend it, I just support at this.

[64:09] cool. mark. So i'm in support of this and I just wanted to make a couple quick clarification Stan just this was one of the first topics that came up in my first or second tab meeting. And I requested that bicycle Colorado calm and kind of explain the situation to us so just in case anyone doesn't understand there is law on the books right now that specifies uniform language, if the municipality wants to adopt the safety stock. A number of municipalities and the state have adopted the safety stop in the front range Aspen all over and have done so with.

[65:06] Good results there's no there's nothing anecdotal or data that says, this is a disaster. The whole argument about. Well we're it we're giving up our Home Rule control or whatever you know our state Constitution has very specific. sometimes frustrating. Laws about what municipalities can and can't do and the in those municipalities are subject to State law overriding municipal law and a number of instances, and this is one of those another one is automated enforcement. boulder suffers under State law regarding automated enforcement i'd like to see the State Law change but we're not going to change the State Law, the state Constitution So here we have a chance.

[66:05] To make progress for cycling safety for equity for our climate situation, and you know I think we need to. with all our might support this particular statewide change and. and obviously uniformity across the state is a plus the my real you know the other argument is well you know it puts a greater responsibility on the cyclists or the pedestrian on how to how to proceed. And I find our current system there's an example of. Putting a great burden on the cyclists and that would be if you were headed southbound on the Multi use path at broadway and railey you are confronted with three.

[67:03] Human walking white human walking science, which is the essential essentially the same as a green light, you may proceed yet. We have a permissive left turn under most hours at that intersection and so as a cyclist you're confronted with again what's the equivalent of a green light yet you're expected to. be aware of the permissive left from a northbound purse on broadway turning West into the laps so there's a number of instances where I think. We have laws and procedures that put the burden on the cyclist to protect themselves and. I think cyclists in general must protect themselves same thing at a stop sign if, under the current law if I perceived by stop and then proceed.

[68:00] When a car, has the right away this up before me and it's proceeding and I get hit then i'm at fault, because the car had the right of way, so is no no different under under this. Under this situation my final vote in supportive, this has to do with automated detection, I can tell you, as someone that that writes frequently when you approach, a stoplight. I I break the law and proceed through the intersection when it's clear, especially when I have spent. a very long time hovering over the white cycling sign on my heavy steel bike waiting for it to detect my presence and it doesn't do it, especially in winter, especially in when the streets, a with a number of. situations where it doesn't detect the cyclists so anyway, I think this is a practical measure result in the greater safety rate of uniformity additional cyclists on the road.

[69:07] that's it. Thanks mark. I just went away and briefly share a number of reasons to support. pretty much everything that that has been said so far, both in the public hearing and by my fellow tab members. But it to other. thoughts, at least, but only mentioned to right now, and they are sort of more equitable concerns, as I was trying to establish while I was questioning Erica just before opening this up. This proposed change does not change the basic rules of who's supposed to feel to him. It does make it permissible for cyclists and other similar slow on motorized you know. users to sort of behave the way that they've been behaving the way that Lindsay has described that she behaves the way that a lot of cyclists do when.

[70:05] There is no harm done to anyone else and it's that no harm done that I think is pretty important, I think that our traffic laws. In boulder in Colorado in the multiplicity of cities of our size in the US treat bicycles just the same as little cars. And the fact is, they are not the same as little cars, they do not pose the same threats to other users of the road. They do not run the same risks of killing and maiming other people, the people who are operating these devices assume a much larger portion of the risk of a collision of being hurt and killed in a collision. than motor vehicle users to, and I think that adjusting sort of the set point of how much care we ought to be expecting from motor vehicle users of multi ton you know high speed heavy massive motor vehicle users.

[71:01] ought to be a higher level of care and a higher standard of caution, then, should be expected from. Users of a slower lighter lb at faster than the pedestrians but slower lighter less dangerous things out there and I think that an adjustment like this is a step in the right direction to acknowledge the relative threats that smaller, lighter users, a mobility. impose upon society and oppose and accept amongst themselves, you know unto themselves using these things so just as a way to to. measure their relative threat to others, I think that it's more equitable to have this kind of treatment and the law also I was surprised, we haven't really talked about the fact that it decreases the arbitrariness of enforcement and so hutches anecdote about not getting. Ticket or pulled over by COPs for sort of slowing down for sort of doing a more rational thing and not being you know, one of those those jerks who just blows through at full speed.

[72:05] highlights what has happened, I haven't experienced it myself in boulder I have experienced it in a couple of other municipalities that i've lived in where occasionally there has been by the police department and police chiefs a desire to crack down on scofflaw cycling. To make a point and we do know that people have lower incomes people with darker skins more marginalized. People in a number of our cities are more likely. To use a bicycle or a smaller motor transit than a bigger car. And to just say that this is not a basis for pulling anybody over reduces some small element of arbitrary, law enforcement, that we don't really need to be. worrying about again because of this less less you know less a threat to society and to just the the life and limb out there and I think my third point I know I said I only had to fight third really is.

[73:10] It doesn't change the set points about who is supposed to yield to whom when there might be a conflict. It leaves these things just the same and so when we had this discussion when mark was first on tab and asked about it, one of the the the way that city staff at the time sort of n began and ended the discussion was it. leaves too much in the judgment of the cyclist and you know kids might mess it up and students might mess it up and i'm hearing this again. We necessarily have to assume some. familiarity with the rules. To take upon ourselves. The idea that what makes sense is also what is in the law, and so I think that this would actually help by regular rising. and bringing into conformity what is expected of people and what they expected themselves and other road users is valuable and to me to say if no one is coming, you may go is no greater.

[74:10] An exercise of judgment than to say if someone got there first, you must wait for them. it's the same amount of judgment it's the same kind of things we should be teaching our kids are high school students are college students this doesn't make it any more complicated. It does make bike riding more efficient, it takes less effort less struggle with no cost to anyone else, because it doesn't change the base assumptions of who's liable, and so, to that extent, I think it does make it more efficient and effectively serves. The second prong of our city's legislative priorities, because it advances complete streets at no cost to other users, it makes using a bicycle or a scooter or others, you know small and motorized device easier and more efficient, so I think it directly supports that second goal. That being said, if we don't have any other comments from other tab Members, I would be happy to entertain a motion in support there is proposed motion language in the memo.

[75:32] I wouldn't move. That we adopt the suggestion motion language. using the word support. Where we are given an option, so it would read motion to recommend city council's intergovernmental affairs committee at the city adopted position of support with respect to HP. Thank you, mark.

[76:00] And the second. Second. Thank you have. A discussion on the motion. Seeing none let's let's vote on the motion all in favor i'm hands up, please, I see 12345 the emotion is adopted, thank you very much. And we had talked briefly about and I only mentioned this, because, as I said, Erica the staff seems agnostic about it. And so to the extent we could have a tab representative available at the City Council meeting, wherever they are the intergovernmental affairs meeting wherever this is. Presented back to them, I would like to have the opportunity to have a tab Member available to answer any questions because the discussion that we've just had it was certainly more substantive than what's reflected in the resolution.

[77:02] So. As a matter of process and procedures, a subset of. City Council and I don't even know that they have staff there, but when it goes to the City Council as a whole, certainly okay. terrific Thank you. All right, thank you, Tom. we'll move on to our next public hearing, yes, so we're item five now public hearing and tab recommendation on the rtb. Draft service optimization plan hi Danny. hey good evening good. evening so as before we're going to have staff presentation of the issue opened up to tab clarifying questions, if any, and then we will open it up to a public hearing before coming back to tab for deliberation and discussion or decision, thank you. that's great give me one second here i'll look at my presentation so.

[78:15] let's see, is it up yet. it's loading. There I see it. Great. Alright, so thank you very much. And, good evening, Daniel Connor principal transportation planner transit program manager here to give. An update in really a follow up discussion to last month's discussion on our TVs draft system optimization plan. really just for tonight's discussion on public hearing.

[79:00] In this follows really the content in the memo just going to give a quick overview of what our TVs draft system optimization plan is. Plans specific to the 24 route serving. boulder and a summary of public input to date that we have tracked and seen next steps with the plans and steps that city staff in our partners have taken to date. Really, you know, and I think what's so important, just with the significance in why we're tracking. This draft of soapy is that you all know how central transit is to rtmp goals and strategies. transits specifically very important for ensuring that we have really good regional, local connections those regional regional connections are. Critical as far as strategies for bmt reduction, improving modal share access to Opportunity mobility options are vulnerable populations and, of course, climate protection in our ghd reduction efforts.

[80:16] Just really an overview of what the rtb system optimization plan is. So RD is in the process of redesigning its bus service network with a service plan for the next five years 2022 to 2027. What the service network would look like is 85% of 2019 service levels, what I think is important, just to recall with 85%. Is that in in April of 2020 rtb cut service with its our TV i'm sorry it's covert service plan which equated to about 60% of 2019 levels today it's at about 70% in this plan basically looks to restore.

[81:06] The system to 85% over the next five years, key factors that are to use considering as they develop this is it's mid term financial outlook. it's Labor available availability that specific to operators and mechanics current market demand for ridership in equity and then I think really with when it comes down to the actual route design. This specific recommendations are focused on route efficiencies streamlining and shortening of routes schedule adjustments. And there's also assumptions that one, not all routes that operated in 2019 will return, and not all areas in the rtb district will have 85% service levels. Last month we mentioned that we were reviewing a lot of the the specific plans and recommendations for the route serving boulder.

[82:06] Staff review has determined that service levels in boulder will be about 80% of what they were in 2019 so that is less than 85% average for the entire to the bus system. There are some key highlights within the plan to date we're here where there's recommendations for flat iron flyer to flood our flyer for the golden boulder routes to be restored those have been indefinitely suspended since April 2022 to the pandemic. But yet there's also six of 24 routes that operated in 2019 that will be discontinued and notable markets, once we looked really into kind of the details of the plans with diminished services include boulder junction East boulder and university of Colorado boulder. This is just a quick review of the 24 routes kind of their status as far as what is planned in the esop there's three routes with service restorations five with service expansions.

[83:16] The seven routes, no changes from current service. And then there's three routes that will have discontinued segments, so that means that, of course, know the route will no longer operate. And then, as mentioned before there's six routes of the 24 that are slated for permanent discontinuation. Our TV is. Collecting public comments through this online mapping to along their website really this map just to illustrate is the route network and boulder. Red routes or what are the red route, so the red lines or what is proposed to operate in the esop if you see those dark Gray lines or service does continuations.

[84:04] And all of those yellow dots to date or public comments that have been received or log with our TV through this online mapping tool. Just some general themes. As we've reviewed that map and if attended various public hearings that are today is held specific themes that are coming up related to the services in boulder include concerns about the discontinue routes flat iron flyer service levels. concerns and in a request to reactivate boulder junction routes East boulder transit options. Improved or concerns about options to and from see you concerns about North boulder multifamily transit options and concerns about airport service levels propose. Our TV, and this is different, since the memo has been published, has extended its public comment through march 9.

[85:04] they're anticipating to refine the plan in March and bring it to the board the Board of Directors of our TD for adoption sometime this spring, the day, just to be determine. The link here is is really for for those for those in the audience, the link to where the esop recommendations, as well as the public input map are located. summarizing basically city efforts, today it is, as mentioned, we have reviewed and provided technical comments to our CD. And, as mentioned before there's three markets that were very concerned about After reviewing the draft recommendations and older junction. Previous previously in 2019 there were five routes that operated out of there right now for the esop only one route is recommended to return, and it will be brought back at 38% list service and what it operated before SCF for.

[86:06] we're also concerned invest or TV to revisit service options and these folders specifically for the jump which operates on a rap oh having in Colorado seven. The service plans for that currently call for 47% service or reduction on the jump You all know what a critical cord or arapahoe is to East boulder to East county Lafayette as well as the connection to see us East campus as well as downtown. And then talking with our partners at see you just we've identified some some concerns related to service options planned around see you. Currently, with a suspended routes it out of boulder junction there are no services operating on 28th street between arapahoe and table Mesa, as you know what what important corridor, that is, and how that is a front door to both see us main campus and as well as their East campus.

[87:07] We continue to coordinate messaging with our partners we're in discussions with the mcc as far as a code letter cosine letter we're working with our partners at boulder county and surrounding jurisdictions. As well as with B2C and the Chamber and then our public engagement team here at the city has done very good job, as far as publicizing the plan on social media. That we're working with our Community connectors program to reach others within the within the Community, as far as opportunities to provide public input and awareness, with a plan. So tonight you know we continue to listen track and relate Community concerns and just appreciate the opportunity for tabs consideration discussion, the public comment tonight as another opportunity we can provide feedback to our TV, as we look, for you know options to continue to.

[88:08] channel or Community concerns to our TV and seek critical plan revisions. With that i'll close my presentation and offer it back for clarifying questions. Thanks Danny. tab any clarifying questions. Danny I guess the question that occurs to me is whether. they're whether there's an option set that you would prefer that in the involves less of some of the things you're out there, offering us and more of other things they're not offering us. IE you know same level of cost or whatever, but they've got to trade offs from or whether it's just like they're shorting us period.

[89:05] yeah that's that's a great question how much you know I think I think it's it's twofold. One we're very concerned about the short being shorted. Really, we have such a strong transit market here in boulder pre pandemic we we basically the ridership in boulder accounts for about 10% of our TVs told her ridership, so I think you know one really looking for an opportunity where we're more can be brought back in. You know, it is very, very important to us, we also realize with the esop. You know these are opportunities to transit agencies take from time to time really for a critical look at the system where there can be some redesign efforts. You know, as far as just to better serve markets and in our request or TD, not only concerned about the shortage, but could you know, could we look at some redesigns that maybe do have some trade offs but offer better coverage and some you know better fits.

[90:16] The design that we've seen with the recipe has basically been here's the system that was in 2019 here's what's coming back here's what is it rather than an opportunity to say. hey the service levels are only going to be 85% could we look at a reconfigure around folder junction you know some new design some new designs around see you to basically better serve those markets as as conditions and change. It I have one. Go for it. Anyway, thanks, a lot i've been scratching my head since December when it's up, I think that was around when this came up and I don't have.

[91:00] I don't have any great clarity of questions for you, at this point, other than it seems kind of in line with what i've said, it seems like. This staff has a pretty good and your team has a pretty good handle on what you know analytically would like to do within it confined set of options and so. These To me it seems that way and so it's really i'm just my mind goes to is there a negotiation that are trying to help with here and I don't know if that's advice for Council that maybe has different levers they do. The one thing that occurs to me, which is is there is there, something that we can offer our TV with respect to. If the city of boulder undertake certain reforms that might make transit more attractive here so reforms in terms of parking. Identification that just says look, this is, you should you should you know what you should go in more with boulder junction and other is I don't know, is there any kind of given take there with reforms is just just theoretically that.

[92:04] could be helpful, or the weekend Advisory Council, I guess at least that might might be helpful that there could be some given take. You know that's. I appreciate that perspective and that's that's a little. Maybe beyond what I would I get as far as what i've been thinking and what we could offer, I think, the one thing really that we keep Zeroing in on it. I see others might chime in on your question Ryan, but the one thing that we keep Zeroing in on as we review this is older junction see you. And arapahoe avenue all have significant regional. The regional routes and they're very important to us for our you know for strategies to lower bmt for us being connected into the into Denver, and the region.

[93:03] To the East county and really where some of these major market concerns are have that I mean they're very they're very strong markets that we want to make sure are served well with transit and stay connected because of really what that means for the mtg hg. And you know even the thriving of the Community, so I you know what as we focused on those. You know here are the concerns here's where we're asking for some revisits. it's been trying to prioritize those. really to be in congruence with with over other steps with in advancing multimodal transportation. Danny I had a question kind of related to rains question or thoughts anyway about it. And that is when I see you know, a couple bullet points in the draft plan.

[94:06] One of them says it's looking at ridership trends and the only bullet point on the ridership trends is work from home. which you know i'm not going to dispute is relevant postcode but knowing how long planning funding build out takes. And, knowing that before coven hit we had projected and planned for and we're getting ready for ridership trends in a very different direction i'm not really seeing from this plan, a consideration of sort of the longer view that was preparing for massive growth. And reflected in plans to expand our downtown station to build boulder junction. You know, to emphasize transit oriented development along arapahoe avenue the kinds of things that we have.

[95:02] As as a municipality, and, as a group of municipalities clustered along particular routes that they're now short changing i'm not seeing that that. Investment and planning and analysis that is still quite valid I think in terms of looking at long term growth patterns that we're expecting to see i'm not seeing that reflected in the current plan I don't know how much discussion there has been of that. But you know not not just wanting to not waste to the investments already happened, but to say there was good valid reasons that have not gone away for saying that this was a good investment and you are. willfully ignoring it, it appears to kind of call that to task I didn't know what ability, we have to do that, but I do feel we have a quite a lot to point to. It says the ridership trend is not just work from home. yeah. No, I mean that's that's a great point and. And we're still recovering I mean the region and the region and in boulder is still recovering from coverage, as far as to see where where ridership really will land, you know after the work from home.

[96:11] And I think that's something that you know is concerning with a plan that's adopted here's your next five years that the conditions could they're evolving. they're evolving there could be additional funding that could come in and that's really where we've been you know just concerned with this plan being. adopted this as is especially with these these markets that are strong transit markets and we want to ensure. Right now, are supported with those regional connections. Well, in our concerns for affordable housing and our attempts to address that, and you know, as they say, like build some transit oriented development that hasn't gone away that hasn't evaporated that's that's still a trend and i'm not seeing that reflected in this plan.

[97:03] I suppose, do we have any other clarifying questions, we should open it up to public hearing. I don't see any other questions from Members of tab at the moment, so let's go ahead and see if members of the public who are on wish to weigh in for a public hearing portion before we turn back to tab discussion and recommendation, if any. Okay, public hearing is open, raise your hands going once going twice. That is fine Danny has the. I know that opportunity for public comment got extended by a month um and one of the concerns that you raise the staff raised was how difficult it was to weigh in and how much sort of technical savvy was required to.

[98:09] Do use the map cool. um there was a link to the public comment I think in the memo. And the materials in the memo, yes, but it has the has the method of public input changed at all with this extension or it's just a time extension. we're expecting it to change in medium to to some degree, so there was a discussion and one of the subcommittee's for our TVs board last week. Really, about the need to push this APP push the input out by a month to march 9 and also to aggressively change some of the mediums to reach writers. Right right writers, where they are rather than just the the online tool and we're expecting some public meetings to be set as of tonight I hadn't seen any new meetings to be scheduled but there's a push on our CDs to open this up and expand that which which we appreciate.

[99:16] we're also hearing just some in discussions with their staff that. You know they have received a lot of comments, whether they've been public as kind of indicated on that map and or comments from partner, municipalities and entities, where you know staff does anticipate that they'll rtb. or TV will reach out and talk about some of the critical issues that have been raised and comments today. Okay, thank you. So i'm not seeing any raised hands here from the members of the public who are on. sale go ahead and close the public hearing.

[100:01] From, from my perspective, from last month's meeting in this month's meeting it was really a lot of the point of coming back to tab tonight, was to try to. Again, like augment the public discussion and allow for public input there's no draft like resolution or statement from tab but I don't know if they were be anything helpful that tab to do at the meeting this evening or going forward. So welcome your thoughts on that Danny. Well, we appreciate the opportunity to have to. Present again and bring this up for public. I think one you know if tab feels. At this point, inclined for some comments, we will be happy as staff to. Basically summarized some formalizing and officially submit them to our TD in the packet you did see the letter that we set as have like you know official technical comment.

[101:05] So that has been submitted, but if there's something above or above or beyond or additional that tab feels you know, we would be happy to relay that as as well. Okay, thank you, and is it safe to assume that see you, is also a sort of an active independent. party at the table here negotiating and giving feedback on this. I asked just because poor a portion of our you know of the city of bowlers letter was talking about see you and East campus access. And we we've been in discussion with see you staff just you know reviewing unrevealing the plan together and so some of those concerns are based, based upon what they you know what we both identified and concerns. But they're also raising them independently. i'm not sure if they have. In their own.

[102:00] I don't believe they sent the wrong letter if that's what you like, for me. I know what i'm asking yeah okay. Okay, thank you alright, have any any feedback for Danny or staff other staff. hi Alex. It seems like we're trying to preserve as many resources and our portion of the region as as possible and, ideally, maybe be in line with the rest of the district sing at 15% reduction and we're seeing 20. And I don't know if. it's, it seems as though some commute trends might change even five years from now, after the pandemics, I don't know. I could see a city with a huge influx of commuters maybe not needing as much commute service says was originally planned, and we laid out the vision for and stay how seven but.

[103:11] Anyway, it seems like we're getting a 20% car we'd rather have 15 I think this just underscores the need to look for other funding partners outside of our TV and that's not something that we can solve with this process, but maybe we can use this process to. revisit that that conversation or do so sooner, and I think as others and maybe alluded to that once we know the final amount of. Whatever its operating hours or budget allocated to our city, it sounds like city staff has some insights as to how they did that could be. Potentially better spread across the Community, that way some things are at the pre pandemic service level summer cut entirely for House once we know how big of a pool of resources we're getting we can use those staff insights to.

[104:05] restore preserve service citywide energy in a way that we think is the more equitable are. Geographically strategic. mark. My single comment, as I continue to hold out hope that the Federal money that we talked about last time that has been given to the county. over our TVs protest. And our stance a complex process for the county become a federally approved transit Agency but. I I think our hope is for the city and the county to work closely together to show how we can effectively use those funds to.

[105:09] augment our TD use us stick with our TV, whatever it might be partner with our TD. To restore boulders service to those few like you said that those pre pandemic levels which were what, when I look at the. ridership numbers, I say well you've cut the level of service so much that it there's no way that we can we could restore ridership, and so our dd saying well ridership is down well services down so. Which which one is it, and I even though yes cove it will have changed things you will have more telecommuters. You go to da and you look at travel in general and people willing to get on a small metal tube and fly through the sky night during coven.

[106:08] da travel numbers are close to pre pandemic levels so anyway, I want to use those federal funds in a really productive way and i'm hoping the city can partner with the county do work with our TD or work around our TV. Okay. i've got some something. Okay right. So I Chris Chris hagen and Valerie give me some time last week or the week before i'm a very currently just to share some of the some more on the detail of the work. That staff did in December to prepare for the vm the whole bmt dialogue with with Council and one of the things that I took from that discussion is.

[107:06] You know, on the subject of trends sounds like more and more people are they they're commuting and further and further distances to boulder and afford to live here. And i'm the the interested he bus commute is is one of the best tools we have to reduce bmt and. And brt lines specifically but. In any case, they just sort of impressed that on me that you know if we care about the empty that this, this is, this is a lot of the game, right here. So I don't have anything wise to say other than I think. The. City Council and our partners around the state that care about the MP should hopefully be allies with us on this, I know there's reasons why boulder doesn't.

[108:02] doesn't you know, we have more cuts and other other places, but I My instinct is, we also have a fill the empty trend trending in the wrong direction that's only going to increase, as we see i'm home values and increase with not enough. places to live and I, so I guess it's it's i'm offering, that is to you that you know trends, what else i'm trans I mean this seems like a pretty big one that maybe we're just not seeing materialized yet. So much as it's going to be coming when people start going back to work, so I don't know decided share that but bet thanks Danny for your work on this. Okay, thank you, I have nothing to add other than when I mentioned before. I feel like they're ignoring.

[109:00] Some of the some of the planning and some of the investment that you know came from our common goals and common agendas and that those those drivers haven't gone away, and this this plan is seems willfully ignorant of some of them. Does any other remember tab one way in before we let me go, we are way behind schedule. terrific Danny, let us know if we can help at all i'm not sure this was this helpful, as I was hoping, but you know. Many meals, to the plow is you can. No, thank you so much, this was helpful. And just will keep you informed as it moves through, and then I think, just as mentioned public comment in March 9 so if there's additional that come that come to you or or otherwise, that we can, oh no please, please send my way so. Great all right, thank you.

[110:02] Okay next and Devon is up sorry we're getting used to late 20 is plenty evaluation item six on the agenda is next. Thank you. Thank you. Well, good evening tab my name is devin jocelyn and i'm the principal traffic engineer for the city of boulder tonight i'll be presenting the results and findings from our evaluation of 20th planning. like to acknowledge that we work with a consultant team from tool design on this effort, and as you are probably aware tool design is a well respected national consulting firm. And they have demonstrated experience assisting local agencies, including the city and county of Denver with speed reductions studies so he felt they were a good fit in this instance.

[111:06] This presentation is a high level summary of the information contained in the memo and summary summary report that were provided in your packet it is structured in much the same way. But you'll see we've tried to simplify things as much as possible to keep this focused and not get bogged down in the technical details, I know that we are running behind, so I will try to keep this as possible and allow time for your questions at the end. Many of you probably recall and are well aware what 20 is plenty stands for basically it's a national movement to push for lower speeds on roads with the intent. To reduce severe injury outcomes and in boulder this was passed in 2020 by City Council ordinance that lowered the prima facie speed limit from 25 miles per hour to 20 miles per hour.

[112:02] And concurrent with that ordinance passage staff changed and number about 500 speed limit signs from 25 miles per hour to 20 miles per hour on local streets. And i'm sure you're well aware and recall from our city streets report that local streets represent over 50% of the city's street network. Along with the ordinance change we also change the gateway signs at the city limits to convey the new 20 mile an hour default speed limit. yard signs were also made available and distributed around the time the ordinance change was being discussed and 20th plenty is just one of many strategies, the city is implementing to achieve Vision Zero. And you'll see and recall that the 20 mile an hour speed limit signs include the Vision Zero message on them to emphasize the link between slower speeds and achieving our goal of know severe crashes. The evaluation we had two main purposes determine if speeds reduced on local streets as result lower speed lot and review methods to slow speeds that could be implemented to align with the new 20 mile an hour speed limits.

[113:15] The goals focused on learning from other cities that have implemented 20th plenty evaluating the impact of 20th plenty in boulder and understanding how speed management practices enhanced to achieve lower speeds. Like other local agencies that have enacted lower speed limits, such as portland and Seattle we chose to use seven key performance indicators or kpis for this evaluation. These are common metrics that are considered across the country when evaluating and setting speed limits and go beyond just the 85th percentile speed. For example, we wanted to understand, to what extent, if any, the top end speeds were reduced as a result of the change to 20 miles per hour.

[114:00] So we looked at the percent of vehicles traveling 10 or 15 miles per hour above the 20 mile per hour speed limit, as well as the 95th percentile speed. evaluation was conducted by collecting vehicle speed data at more than 35 locations through a combination of photo radar bands and traffic data collection devices and, in a nutshell, the speed this slide sums it up speeds increased at more sub 30 sites than decreased. However, I will say that what we found was probably imperceptible increases in average speed those went up 1.62% or about half a mile per hour. The 50th percentile speed 85th percentile speed and 95th percentile speed remained unchanged and we saw very slight increases in the top end speeds a 1.48% increase.

[115:00] In those traveling above 30 miles per hour and a point two 8% increase in vehicles traveling above 35 miles per hour. And I mentioned that these are probably imperceptible, and I say that because the kind of typical error for traffic data collection devices is plus or minus one mile per hour. The analysis also looked at a few other things, we wanted to understand the extent to which various roadway characteristics, such as street and language parking density and centerline markings impacted speeds. To do that, we used a linear regression analysis and what that showed is that narrower streets and lanes and the absence type Center line correlate with lower average speeds. We also wanted to understand whether the photo radar van had an impact on speeds and what what we found there is that average speeds measured by the photo radar van went down slightly, but the violation rate went up nearly three and a half times.

[116:10] And then we also just looked at the spread of the data and the range of the 85th percentile speeds and really We found that speeds didn't change very much one way or the other, there was a kind of a minus four two plus four swing within the 85th percentile speeds. and other thing that we did as part of the study was conducted a literature you to understand current national and international best practices related to speed reduction in speed management. And we reviewed studies from ncaa hrp ntsb and others within that alphabet soup of acronyms but all national well respected. Research institute's that have published studies on this topic, and what we found was that many of the current best practices are things that boulder are already doing.

[117:08] The few that are not being done will be explored in more detail, once we kick off the Community mobility planning and implementation speed limit setting and signing framework grant later this year. We also talked to for peer cities as part of this process and we really wanted to do that with the goal of learning from them and how their implementation of 20 has plenty went for them. All the cities that we interviewed had reduced speed limits on most or all of their local streets from 25 miles per hour to 20 miles per hour portland Cambridge and Seattle also had reduced speed limits on their arterial streets. Interestingly, only two of the four cities that we talked to her conducted evaluations of their speed low and reductions that is portland and Seattle eugene and Cambridge have yet to conduct their evaluation and they mentioned, they were eager to see our results.

[118:11] We did find overall that the results of our evaluation are generally in line with those of portland and Seattle. So we wanted to understand some of the methods to reduce speed that better out there and how they fall within the for ease of evaluation engineering enforcement and education. And this slide conveys that, and you can see, not listed on this slide there are a handful of strategies that fall within the area of education and that involves things like reintroducing yard signs and increasing social media and other messaging around 20 is planning. So we boiled down everything into seven key takeaways listed on this slide and we recall here that speeds remained largely unchanged our results are in line with what others have seen.

[119:10] That street design has the most demonstrable impact on vehicle speeds changing street design is the most effective approach to reduce speeds. And the findings align with our safe streets report severe crashes are happening on our cereals, not our local streets. We want to use this study to inform our future speed management strategies and the findings align with recent Council discussions. Regarding adjusting the city speed management strategies and programs, and we see this as a way to kind of implement these things over time, using a balanced approach against other priorities as part of a comprehensive Vision Zero strategy. So, in terms of next steps we're going to present this study and the results of it to counsel at their march 8 study session and that agenda item will be combined with the safe streets report that you heard from us on last month.

[120:15] We want to highlight that the cmt is the limit setting and signing grant will be kicking off mid year once that grant funding becomes available. And just wanted to remind you that we are still planning to do the Vision Zero Action Plan update throughout this year, and certainly speed management strategies will be an integral part of that effort moving forward. So that is it from me, open to hearing what feedback, you have regarding the 20th plenty evaluation. Thank you very much. Thanks Devon. What specifically are you planning to report forward to counsel.

[121:05] It will be a very similar presentation that I gave tonight just kind of a high level overview of the findings. Okay. i'll just add it will be combined with Council still hasn't received the kind of final update on the safe streets report will become combined with that and. Some of the kind of key takeaways will be around our need to focus on their tutorials. Great. that's good. um. Can I ask how much this. Data collection and pure cities review stuff costs ballpark. Approximately $50,000 okay. yeah i'm looking at notes from I didn't date them but around the time we were discussing this.

[122:02] There were a lot of options on the table. of doing a pilot. Do you piercings review before doing anything during a suit survey of residents, and so it looks like we've opted for the data collection, analysis. And peer cities review and yeah that came to about 46 and a half, so kind of the same that we did I think at the time, I argued against doing too much data collection, analysis, early on, because I thought. If speeds are reduced, we wouldn't really be able to say why. The speed to go up we wouldn't really be able to say why, and if they stayed the same, we wouldn't really be able to draw any conclusions. So to that extent, I think that the draft right now being called sort of the 20th plenty evaluation makes it seem like we're only looking at what we did, and what happened in that you know, in the year when it's it's quite a bit more. And I do think you've been careful not to draw too many conclusions, so far, but it's also the pure cities review.

[123:04] And so I don't know if we should just be thinking about. renaming it a rebranding and or being a little bit clearer about what it is, because just you know top of mine executive summary sounds like what what exactly happened in the city of boulder since changing this. You know this this. baseline. On on street speed limit. I don't want to hog it if other members of tab want to jump in. i'm looking at you and. I was struck by it's not too it's not a very important data point or not a very interesting data point to me that. Violations increased by a third, because of course we have lowered the threshold at which a violation happens so i'm not sure that that's a very useful data point to include in this. Because it's not surprising it sort of by definition violations will be easier to come by and there is a learning curve, we have to assume that I was also curious if.

[124:05] I don't know if it's just my my perception in my newsfeed and I know that you know, there are these different ecosystems of news that we read. But there have been alarming results both just in our safe streets draft, but it's reflective of a national trend, you know driving and road use and road crashes and fatalities dipped right the very beginning of the pandemic. But there is definitely a perception and some some data and some places to backup that speeding has actually worsened in the last year or so. As as people are getting back out on the roads, and we have some pretty bad national and local and regional. crashing fatality numbers and so i'm curious if we have anything about weather speeding, as you know, in general, has gone up. In boulder in boulder county in Colorado I suspect that there is data that that suggests that has and so again.

[125:06] Doing this kind of evaluation doesn't necessarily tell us whether our small change on our residential streets made any dent or if it was counter balancing at all, a trend toward more speeding us on our roads i'm curious if you have any insight on that. Not not necessarily Tila you know I think we continue to be able to deploy the photo radar ran on to the extent possible, I know. yeah that was also put on hold on during the height of the pandemic, but that has been occurring now with more frequency. will say i've heard from lakewood and they have certainly noticed.

[126:01] I guess, a trend and what they refer to as super speeders those that are agree justly speeding, and it has actually resulted in some. Bad trends within like what, in terms of their fatal crashes. mm hmm interesting mark, do you have to weigh in. On yeah just simply that. This Council seems to want. to know about things they can do or ways they can support staff and doing things and I read this and I think that the real takeaway here is not that 20 is plenty is a failure or a gigantic success either way, but the real the real takeaway is. Engineering continues to be the tool to really do something to to control speeds, and so, if you know Council members are saying yeah well So what do we do from this well, we as we change pavement as we, as we do anything in the city.

[127:18] To our neighborhood streets we take engineering into evaluation and into consideration and we act on that and it's going to be. jarring I think for people as we continue to to do things that that slow them down other than speed bumps and you know whether it's chicanes on up land or or the temporary measures on quince. You know people sometimes don't like it, but that's because it slows them down, which is our stated goal so anyway, my takeaway from this is engineering works enforcement works too and and lower speed limits work but engineering really works.

[128:07] And then that's a good message for for this coulson. Mark just said and of the 23 items that staff have identified number four really jumps out to me, which is revise that design and construction standards to use 20 mile per hour target speed. for local street design and I think that's something that we can do very soon for striking through word and. Documents getting to reading through Council maybe when the other updates are happening anyways. But then, as mark alluded to, and we are going through and resurfacing our residential streets we when we rebuild the curb and gutter or we rebuild curb ramps we look for opportunities to pull about intersections. and reduce what are probably an appropriately large corner Ada to be to be much smaller and out towards the middle of the road, where two cars can still pass, but you can't come around corners at high speeds.

[129:10] So yeah I think looking for long term systemic change through design that's how I would like us to to make these changes and unless up the the one off. location specific improvements that we've done in years past. touch. i'm remembering the conversation about Tony is funny and. I think that the other piece, which you know we've barely started on but also showed up in some of the city benchmarking and dead, so thank you for that. Was. You know, over time, changing the mindset of city of the city that says, you know generically other than the special roads.

[130:03] His car these. Major car doors, etc, you know the speed limit here is, and we do this, and I would I would argue we're still kind of early in that, in that I remember the research, I and others to others on the staff side. showed that that that to was a piece of the puzzle in addition to engineering and but that required, you know continued systematic communication and. Dealing with you know the the naysayers and the nasty grammars so that they understand the logic and you know how it doesn't slow them down it doesn't it slows them down but it doesn't change their arrival that destination much if anything. So I would also encourage in a continued thinking about you know, essentially the marketing side of that and obviously we as tab are part of the marketing.

[131:08] as well, but, for instance, I know mark you've jumped on next door a few times it's fine I will ya and. I have not done that yet, but I think I probably should once or twice, particularly when Tony is funny and things like that come up and. So I do think that continued attention to the marketing is key, and I agree that sort of physically forcing people to do X on such and such an intersection definitely works. But, but I think a mindset that has at least the majority of the folks here are saying yeah we're 20 city, we putter around around these hundred streets, which is actually almost all the streets. Can can do nothing but help. Thanks so much Ryan, do you have anything.

[132:02] No i'm. yeah so i'm done looking back at my notes from when I was talking to counsel trying to when when staff and tab disagreed about whether this was a good idea, and I was pretty clear talking to counsel, to say that 20 is plenty was not a top tier Vision Zero like high impact. They were there were three or four tiers of what we could do for Vision Zero and the 20 is plenty helped Objective I think it's number three. Introducing other crashes, because it was supporting the kind of systemic with wood, which was just talking about the sort of. ethos of the town I compared it to like shouting in the library like you understand when you go into the library you're not supposed to shout. We wanted to make boulder the kind of place you understood when you started driving around you're not supposed to go too fast. And it was that kind of setting and one of the main reasons, the staff at the time didn't want to do 20 is plenty. bill kalin was really clear, he said it's going to set Community expectations.

[133:03] And now everybody's going to be ticked off that people are driving faster than 20 miles an hour right in front of their house and the SNP demand is going to go through the roof, and we don't have enough money to do that, we don't. Have the budget and the staff to follow through on the engineering, that is going to be required to actually accomplish 20 is plenty. And that was sort of where we agreed to disagree, you know they. They came out as saying well that's a whole reason to not pursue it in the first place and tab said no that's the reason we need to start somewhere, and this is somewhere. We can start leading, so I am hopeful that this report sort of gives that impression that this was an essential and necessary and helpful first step there's still work to do, but, as others have mentioned the engineering. has to follow through and has to reinforce and augment what we tried to do that, we were never. Assuming that making a change to the city code was magically going to transform but we knew that we needed some magical transformation, and this was an essential step to get to get us started so glad to see us.

[134:09] pursue that. Just to turn really quickly to the recommendations in the memo under NS MP, so I know at the bottom and i've you know talked to natalie. and others, I understand the SNP is on a pause right now, and so to the extent that we are just updating the SMP engineering tool kit for move centerline markings, and things I wouldn't necessarily. put it in the SNP shoe box or toolbox, but just to enable staff through whatever kinds of. Speed mitigation policies, whether it's an SMP labeled or not, but just to to include the these tools that you've identified as helpful as available for further city staff efforts. Because they don't want us to say we're not doing an SMP and also this is something really to see the nlp if that makes any sense.

[135:05] I really did like the idea of prioritizing segments of local streets to join arterial streets, I thought that was really helpful again it shouldn't only be something we do in the in the under the umbrella of the SMP. view I was just gonna say we recognize that it was kind of after the memo and Erica and I talked through that, and so we kind of tried to pull those out to be separate from them as MP. Right and then. When we're talking about the functional screen classification, I thought that was some really good. Like thinking actual thinking that had occurred, thank you, well done to talk about where some streets say on the map, this is not a collector but they behave as collectors. Or, as you know, minor arterial or whatever the classifications are, and again I just want to raise you know in in the open here at a tab meeting my concerns that I expressed to you natalie about halting the work on the pine street complex project.

[136:00] Because it does function as a busier street then similarly classified streets nearby and so to the extent that that project is apparently. I don't know pause i'm not sure what the current status is maybe we can talk about it later on in this meeting, but to say that that because we were pausing and SMP that that complex project which kind of fits so many of the criteria that we're feeling through here. Good seems again really kind of disingenuous and unfortunate that we would did, we would stop work on that, given how far along in the planning and preparation to to mitigate speeds on that section of pine street we have gone. Because I think if we were talking about how it functions, we would probably say yeah deserves it deserves some help. I think that's all I have on the recommendations and that's my that's my feedback on. On this item. anyone else.

[137:04] Thank you devin. Think staff. Hope it goes well. And I think we move on, then yes. Excellent let's move on to matters managing staff, Dr cobb. hygiene. One moment, yes, there you are. hit that mute button and hi good evening tab and happy valentine's day. I like the red Tila well done. Thank you. i'm gene santana principal transportation planner with the city of boulder can everyone hear me okay great I am going to share a few slides this evening, so let me do that.

[138:12] Okay, are you all seeing the title slide. Great okay um yeah so thanks for having me back this evening, the last couple of meetings I have been. Sharing information as we receive it related to the doctor card and regional council of government tip application process that's the transportation improvement program whereby we avail of federal and, in this case state funds to apply for projects in the. tip cycle, as well as the 2024 to 2027 so we're looking at a pretty long horizon and identifying Canada projects by which we would like to submit applications and. I think Erica put it really well a couple meetings ago where she said we're really hoping that you can be involved in the in the sausage making so I wanted to give you an update on where we have.

[139:09] made some progress at the staff level to start to identify those projects that we think make really good candidates for sub regional tip applications. Before I get started, I just want to give you a sense of the type of dollars that we hope to be available, so the first call for projects. For the sub regional tip application is going to open in May. And boulder county will probably receive approximately $16 million of that now that's to share with obviously all the jurisdictions within boulder county but it just gives you a sense of. The order of magnitude of dollars, that we could expect if we were say a third of the population within boulder county. And then the second open the second call for projects for sub regional tip projects will open later this year. And that call will have approximately $20 million in it for boulder county so you know order of magnitude, these are.

[140:02] Pretty large scale projects typically infrastructure projects, but we're variety of different project types, that we are considering, so let me share with you some of our thinking. As to how we've identified. sort of a shorter list of projects so, believe it or not, we've reviewed 1000 projects in the dmv. it's hard to believe, but if you actually look at the tmt map and the spreadsheet there in fact that many projects to be reviewed. And so what we did, is just to take a first cut we applied some initial criteria to select those projects so first and foremost is the project located on or connecting to a can a core area network or regional cord or or mobility hubs such as. The names are Northwest area mobility study court orders, and this is pretty important because these funds, the sub regional funds. Are you know are really well received, when they can clearly demonstrate benefit to other municipalities within the sub region so well, maybe not you know, a regional.

[141:07] benefit at least a sub regional benefit for these projects. And then we also looked at the degree of project readiness So where are we in the concept planning or design for these projects and what looks like a likely candidate to be able to move forward in this timeframe. So we were able to identify 15 candidate projects. Of those projects we then went back to rtmp policies, and I think this all looks familiar to you our overarching goals to be a safe equitable reliable system that provides travel choices. and supports clean air and our climate commitment and what you're going to see is that we've reflected that in the way that we have started to evaluate these 15 candidate projects, but before I do that I want to share. The map of these candidate projects and what we've done is we've overlaid them on in a yellow in the yellow circle yellow lines we've overlaid them on the cans network as the can network, as well as the names, no.

[142:08] Too many acronyms this evening um but you know, the idea is that we'd really like to be able to leverage these federal dollars in a way that aligns with our priorities for the can network in the Northwest area mobility study core doors. And, and I can come back to this map specifically if you have questions, but if it's alright with you, I would like to just continue to move forward to share the process by which we have started to think about. evaluating these 15 projects to narrow it down to more manageable number I think we're looking we'd like to get to a range of between five and seven candidate projects to move forward. So, as I mentioned grounded in the tmp goals and what our policy state we develop six criteria and these not just these not only aligned with rtmp policies, but they also align with what we know.

[143:04] The tip application criteria will be so, in other words, we want to put forward those projects that we now have the greatest likelihood of receiving funding so again. That sub regional benefit is it a project located on an answer camcorder and the next criteria is related to bmt and ght reduction and, in this case. We took a very high level approach to those projects that would increase the amount of people, the carrying capacity that a quarter could handle and primarily that involves. projects that would provide a degree of transit priority, and the next criteria is really was low is related to safety is the project located on. cogs height injury network corridor and is it a high crash location, we then we'll look at equity, in other words, what are the population demographics. In the surrounding area of that project in terms of environmental justice communities.

[144:02] Project readiness, do we have completed design drawings and do we have a high level of confidence that we can complete this project in the tip timeframe. And I think that that you know Members of tab are all aware of how important it is for us to be able to commit to the tip timeframes and the spend by dates of these federal dollars. And then related to cost effectiveness, we looked at where these projects are located and considered whether we thought we had the potential to leverage partner funds and you'll see that. Mostly we're we're identifying see dot and possibly see you and the timing of when those funds might be available. So, in applying the that criteria were jenna, and this has a big draft stamp across it, the reason being that this is still very much in process, but we wanted to share. The the the process by which we are evaluating in this sort of consumer report fashion, these projects to move forward, and so what we hope to do.

[145:03] At your up the next meeting in March, would be to bring her find evaluation and project definition, so a little bit more definition around what these projects are intended to do their costs and their schedule to tab for comment. We will also be updating Council as an informational item in March on the tip process, we then hope to take that sort of smaller list of projects out to our Community for feedback in April and then come back to tab in May with a recommendation for that smaller set to submit for. consideration by the Dr Cox sub region and then take that to the Council for an endorsement in the May, June timeframe so it's it's. We feel like it's a pretty manageable schedule, but we wanted to share with you the process by which. We think that we're really grounding this evaluation in both our policies as her later on the transportation master plan and our understanding of what the tip criteria will be so with that I will stop and ask if there any questions.

[146:16] Thanks questions tab. No questions you've stumped us. Well, all simply asked how about that list, without the draft across it so we can take a look at it. Is that the 15 that you that you've narrowed it down to now. Yes, that is, the 15 that we've narrowed it down to mark and what we'd like to do at your March meeting is bring that back to you, without the draft. Okay. Well inquiring minds want to know what's up so. Well sure yeah and you know in in to be fair, you know a lot of this takes some time to evaluate in terms of looking at things like the demographics and the costs, etc, so.

[147:06] We feel pretty confident that by our mark that your by your March meeting, we should have that information fairly refined. Well, good Thank you i'm really excited by what you presented just your thought process applying tmp goals anyway i'm I think this is really. really great so far, of course I can't I can't see the draft, but anyway, I think it's really great so far, what you've done as far as applying the goals and the process to this game you. Tina I had a question about the high injury network. Because I remember learning that there was a doctor cod high injury network maps, you know a few meetings ago it was not something that I had realized I knew that. Denver had done that, as part of their Vision Zero Action Plan.

[148:04] How, how do we as a city fair in that high injury network, the Dr cobb map I don't was they say only just learned about and I really don't remember if I even looked it up yet if I did I didn't study enough to know to know it well. Sure Tila and I am by no means an expert on that high injury network map, but I will say that, in looking at that map and it is a regional map nearly all of our material corridors are on that network. yep no surprise. yeah. But do we fare you know better or worse than longmont are we. I have not looked at the numbers. Okay. But that's something we could look into if you're interested. yeah I mean i'm always run for putting a thumb on the scale where it's appropriate. But if, by looking at that we're gonna you know short short sell ourselves, then. Maybe we downgrade that I don't know.

[149:03] Any other questions tab. kind of skipping through so I made a note to myself, but I might as well just stay stayed at right now gene the last several times that you come, I know you weren't talking to us last month, but if you know. In the month before that December November you've often had some slides to show us, which is great, and I love, seeing them, but they tend to not make it into our. Online materials from the tab meetings, so I would just like to make a request that they be incorporated into the. what's available to me, you know they're presented to us at a public meeting and I think that they should be part of the record of the meeting, unless there's a real reason not to. Oh for sure yeah i'll work with meredith make sure that happens. Excellent Thank you. mm hmm. Okay, well, I think it looks like we have no further questions for Dean, at the moment. always nice to see you looks like let me see more of you soon.

[150:02] sounds good thanks so much. Okay, thank you very much. Okay next retrospective learnings. Thank you very much, so i'm gonna wait just a moment well the presentations put up because i've had a wonky. yeah. connection so folks are supposed to be putting that up for me. Okay. Jenny can can everyone see it. Yes, okay great. Okay, so thank you very much, and you know this has been you know something that has been on the tabs agenda to care about you know for a while now, so if we go to the next slide. The intention, you know this is to basically share our department or learnings that we've observed and heard over the last year and a little bit and that we're working to institute so with that we will go to what we heard from tab.

[151:03] So essentially that point heard from you is that you know it's like a sense that you want to be able to as well you're both yourselves as tab members. But then, also for the Community as a whole to get an offer feedback earlier in the process, and so that it doesn't seem as if things are happening at the last minute. And that the lift is so hard and also for us to be clear about how are using this feedback and how that reflected back. So that's one thing we've heard in terms of public engagement second thing is with regard to project scoping so. That it pairs very well with that public engagement piece, but be consulted early on and then throughout the project development process. and update a key milestones because one of the things that we've really heard very strongly reflect to us is that.

[152:00] You know, things happen, maybe 10 or 15 years ago and there's a time that goes by, you know oftentimes because, first, you know very large and significant projects it takes a. fair amount of time to be able to gather the funding, but then also you know, sometimes It just seems that things go into a black hole. of project design and then they pop out and people are left with well how did that happen so on that know these communication and scoping. elements are really things that we've heard from you, also with regard to financial controls to monitor and then communicate significant bug budget overages because rightly being concerned about. Whenever there are expenditures to complete projects that are greater than anticipated, it means there's less funds available for other projects. And then, lastly, quality assurance and quality control that needing process improvements to incorporate the.

[153:04] Frequent quality control and quality assurance and quality control throughout the project design and construction to make make sure that things are. essentially being both designed and then constructed in a way that is congruent and consistent with the expectations that we've laid forward so that is what we assembled from the numerous notes we've taken during the top beatings now if we go to the next slide. Some very specific projects and so with bribery really into the engagement process that essentially that the revolving project expectations. The different points in time and so forth, and I think that heard from several people like well How did we get here and with what we ended up.

[154:00] This is also one of these projects where the funding expectations exceeded. All the funding that was spent on the project see the the expectations of what was actually going to be spent, and then the real quality assurance and quality control. Issues that well you know there were adjustments made and certainly adjustments in the field it brought some questions on forward. Then 20th street BAT lanes and they first started out as backlinks This is also one of the things that the terms of clarity, this is one of these projects that. was part of a corridor and we did not necessarily do the best job of keeping the public and you tap in the forums all along the way. And so felt like some things are coming out of left field but, ultimately, I think that we are able to resolve those issues. But that whole planning process on coming from the the tmp to the chip to the CP that we need to be clear about that so that whenever there are touch points along the way.

[155:09] That shows that there's a longer term strategy and that their implementation points and that, moreover, that as times change that we're also adaptive, but that is something that can take you know that needs to take place in the context of the tmp. Third project North broadway earlier and more consistent engagement and I think also as part of that with the engagement when we. Whenever there's input and feedback offer that were more transparent and more open, quite honestly, to receiving that feedback. And either incorporating it or being clear about why something works or doesn't work and. With that it's also you know with regards to the scope of the project and the budget, so there you know, there are trade offs that are made, you know all the time.

[156:07] In terms of both budget and with an engineering choices and it's that clarity, that we need to be more engaged with and be more transparent bell and then Lastly, the table myself barking right multi-use. Ultimately, you know it's like happy having clarity on the priorities and tying back to the tmp and so you know that there's also one of these areas where I think we went through collective learning. Kevin next slide so what we're doing to improve. Both natalie and I and the different managers we've really been trying to focus on getting more communication and clarity around projects project development and so that includes revising the engagement project design processes.

[157:02] To establish crew, to establish clear expectations, because part of this is that. When oftentimes will bring things forward as singular elements as opposed to an integrated whole it's very difficult, I think, for just about anyone. To be able to process that without given the context, and also that we recognize, but we also need to be able to work together with you as tab in the Community to collectively recognize that projects have phases, with different Community engagement needs and that the broadest. place where people have the ability to influence the outcomes, is it the planning concept development level and, as we get towards 30% design, but by the time. 90% design an infrastructure project occurs that at that point it's almost too late to reimagine the entire project and if we're clear about what the outcomes are that are desired in terms of.

[158:16] The value set that the Community has and that you as tab Members have done, that will make things a lot easier, as opposed to trying to make I know design adjustments whenever much of the design, has already occurred. and similar to that that for us to be able to focus on the desired outcomes So what are the qualities and characteristics of the project, what How do people want to be able to use things. To be able to get that and really have that dialed in to help inform the engineering, as opposed to crowdsourcing the engineering along the way, because it kind of. has the ability to have things pop out at various points is almost franken.

[159:02] Frankenstein piece together the things that really have to go back and iterate through on extensively and so. it's really trying to get those desired outcomes in there, as opposed to having the general public, public engineer, and you know facility. I think also that in terms of our identifying and communicating impacts on projects and timing, you know again this is part of this holistic package and so. This is one of the things is where you've been hiring in new staff and trying to structure our processes different Lee we're trying to implement these things are we there yet no but we're really working on it very hard. In addition, in terms of the quality assurance and quality control, we have been investing and staff training, you know to both lauren and I keep current on best practices.

[160:01] And also, as part of that we've been diversifying our portfolio of design engineering consultants to try and get a broader set of perspectives. In and expertise, specifically in the kinds of projects that boulder is most desirous of you know, having specifically those that focus more on pedestrian and bicycling infrastructure. And then the next slide so in terms of project budgets, we are working very, very hard to be able to. monitor that and communicate it and then to be able to include those elements as part of our overall description. Of the the project on the city's website and so that's intended to make it more attractive, more transparent and in making that more transparent that we're all ultimately more accountable.

[161:02] And to you know, to the budget and more explicit about what the trade offs that need to be made in order to be able to stay within that budget. Or if the budget needs to be enhanced, to have that more explicitly identified then Lastly, in terms of other things that we're looking to do to improve. Is that lonely go toward a future transportation master plan update we have wonderful and great goals and we have a lot of information on the different modalities, but what we don't have as a fiscally constrained plan. And it gives the appearance that any everything is possible that's within the current transportation master plan so what we want to be able to do is to enhance our project descriptions. and begin to scope things out how cost estimates on what each one of the different potential improvements might cost in today's dollars.

[162:04] As well as a strategic implementation plan that accounts for things that we can do within a constrained, you know projected budget. As well and which is inclusive of those things that we would be seeking grant funding for but also to identify those projects that are anticipated to be unfunded because it's all about what the priorities are and then how those are reflected, I think, then, lastly. This is really what clarity begins to look like i'm not going to steal anyone's thunder on this, but. What this what this does in terms of the core material network at least you know for a short term time horizon it begins to offer the clarity of where the areas of focus.

[163:01] What is relative timing and so forth, in terms of pieces of infrastructure that are being put forward and then we're able to begin to start you know, costing those as well as having. Studies, you know to be able to get that next level so that we can then begin so that's the beginning, and then we can then use that as the foundation to begin to look toward what. The next set of things that to prioritize to implement within the Community and the desire is within the context of the next transportation master plan that. In addition to all the plethora of things that are possible, then we have a strategic plan of what is most likely to be implemented, given the community's priorities and Councils choices within various timeframes so with that I will.

[164:02] answer any questions, and along with natalie. Thank you Erica. i'm. Growing through. My didn't know if tab Members wanted to ask about any particular slides that you had so i'm going to give them a chance if they want to jump in. I have it pulled up on a separate thing. Can we go back to slide the learnings from the projects, the ones are calling up broadway really 20th street and more graduates like like for so. Things that one yet. i'm really curious if tab members have.

[165:01] Any reaction to this slide. I think i've said, in the context of folsom, but if you were to ask probably any member of tab who was around during the folsom the first round of folsom by claim well it's probably not even the first, but. The very contentious one that different members of staff would have very different takeaways than the different members of tab and so i'm not i'm just curious if this is the same kind of takeaway that. We think. is reflected here like the table Mesa and multiuse path I wouldn't say that the takeaways looking clarity on priorities and tying back to the tmp. I thought that that was Alex made an excellent case that that project was not worth the money that we were spending on just the bang for the buck was they were far too many bucks for not in a phase. Which is kind of tying back to the tmp but not really the point or not how I would have stated, this is that fair Alex.

[166:01] Perhaps a little bit I think what we heard about QA QC and diversifying the solomons used and being up to best practices with a focus on pet bike infrastructure. That will encapsulates what I thought were the the shortcomings of the design and the team and the other table my server pass. Okay, and then again on the North by we still on this slide earlier and more consistent engagement more consistent for sure, but part of the problem with North broadway is that the planning for that look, you know, it was a 20 year. horizon similar with 28 streets i'm not sure that earlier is. A key takeaway there because, to some extent was just too darn early by the time we got around to actually being able to do anything finding the funding. and getting to it but yeah more consistent touch points which, again, I think, is covered in other slides but just the this this particular slide struck me is a little off.

[167:00] And that that might be telling all by itself if that's that's sort of the difference in where we're looking at these things and that's that's kind of instructive. Any other comments from Members of tab mark go ahead. yeah I think. For me. What is lacking in in this slide and elsewhere is kind of a direct and. directness and honesty that need and i'm not saying someone's being dishonest, but you have to confront. Problems and failures in a really direct way and if you kind of smooth things over, with some bureaucratic language that I think the the lessons can get lost. hmm, and so I again I don't want to use this as an opportunity to.

[168:06] beat up staff, I want this to be a an honest discussion of why these projects in some regards. had had really serious problems, so if I take broadway really. There was an engagement process we sat engaged tab repeatedly they had a Community group, but that engagement process the failure, there was the engagement process with tab. fail to to really lay out what the project costs were yeah I believe staff knew what those project costs were. They didn't use project costs and the Community meeting.

[169:06] it's a project that I think the other evolving project expectations, I think what is expectations on who's part. Whether there was a motivation on the part of staff and agenda on the part of staff to do that intersection that way, and I think that I would rather have a real debate with staff about a project about its cost, really, really just lay it all out and and have that debate. What I remember happening was tab making recommendations and. Staff nodding their head and kind of saying huh Thank you and then proceeding to do what they had planned anyway, and I think that.

[170:07] If it means a contra confrontational debate them then let's have that, but I think we'll have a better outcome. I think that the mention of G we don't want to crowdsource engineering. I can, I can concur with that, if the engineering that's presented to us advances rtmp goals, and I think that. This tab has plenty. Of. Good. experience we have some real engineering experience on on one of our part, but we have we have people that have real life experience with folders transportation system and the department's trend to over engineer.

[171:09] And to. focus on keeping cars moving. And I think that. If if you're going to label design engineering input as crowdsourcing engineering in the in the negative. Then i'm for crowdsourcing engineering if it means we end up with a better product, but if you if you're bringing designs to us that have QC problems like broadway and really good. That that design that was presented that had the engineering stamp. And and was built with you know, a crazy overage. could have benefited from.

[172:00] crowdsource engineering, the staff had listened to taps suggestions, recommendations and a motion to do a design that fit within the budget which they didn't do so. I think in general. My. Request for this would be that. We. we'd be more direct and. With each other and clear with each other about what it is that we're trying to implement does a project advance rtmp goals or not. And if we have engineering input, then, if it's loony crowdsource engineering then great come back with the engineering that that proves us wrong, but so far.

[173:06] i'm unconvinced that tab in the Community has provided anything other than excellence in design engineering suggestions from examples from other communities or around the country and around the world, and so, finally, one thing that would really I think helped reduce the. crowdsource engineering comment would be if our if if staff would really. enjoy in revising the DCS. Would. make that a document that as we get projects and we design them to the DCS standards that those projects.

[174:02] By by using DCS standards that are up to date that reflect tmp goals produce a product producer design that we welcome that we say this is great, this is this is this advances rtmp goal so that's that's my input on this stuff presentation. Erica looked like you were trying to jump in and a couple spots there. I want to give you the opportunity you don't have to but. I think that you know as a reflection on a couple of things, one is that. Each of these projects, long before I came here was in flight. And you know it's easy to castigate staff about not having done things, etc, I think that a large part of the issues, why into arenas one is that our current transportation master plan has.

[175:10] A wide variety of many different modalities and really doesn't have the clarity as a document that I would say, many of you on tap on. The perspective that you represent, of making that shift away from an automobile to more of a bicycling and pedestrian environment and the tmp as it currently exists, has everything in it, and so what you may perceive as a clash of values or a clash of. outcomes, or even a clash of competency isn't really that but it's anchored in a values oriented place and.

[176:05] I think that that's one of the things that we need to be more explicit about I think the other thing is that. You know we're the processes of the past, the best, quite honestly, no um and you know, can we do better, yes, and I want to say, can we do better, I mean all of us together as a partnership. And I think that part of that is being clear and part of it is having focus on what our priorities are. And I think that the commitments that we've identified in terms of being clear about what the expectations are about. Project outcomes and stating that explicitly, even though you know they may have been evolving over time.

[177:01] is to be able to capture that and also the funding, and you know, is the expectation to fund. A project and it's whole orange entirety or is it to have something in this scale down and to be more explicit all of us about the trade offs that we need to make. I think that you know with the table Mesa project that's a good example of that was an explicit trade off we made for those dollars, and so, by taking it off the table and. You know, I think that that's, we need to have more conversations about trade offs so to be able to have. greater consensus about what collectively the Community you a new tab and we to a staff want, but our ability, then, to be able to make the trade offs to get as much of that as possible.

[178:00] So I think that's my only response I don't think that there's anything that you said that we also don't desire, but I think that. Providing motive for essentially what processes didn't make clear. As completing a couple things. Okay, thank you. I have to be honest, since we're talking about clarity I understood, about half of what you were trying to say there so. i'm going to go back and listen to it again the recording and this is both for Erica and mark. I lost the train about a few times there could be the time of night i'm usually pretty good at following along, but we could, myself included, work on being more succinct and more clear in everything that we do and say.

[179:04] If we go back one more slide I would you want to move on to can. about what you've heard from tab there seemed to me a couple of things that might be missing here and might be elsewhere in the presentation. But one of them mark reiterated just now, because it comes up almost every time we talk about a particular project. we'd like to see, I think a little bit more explicit reference to how a particular approach or project is supporting our priorities and goals, as reflected in a tmp to have it just more iterative. And conscious referral to like chapter and verse in the tmp is helpful to explain the case to the public, I think about why we're why we're doing any particular thing that we're doing. And I think that's something that that you hear and I don't really see on here. um and then also just on financial controls or financial considerations I don't know something that I think Alex has been very effective in doing and i've i've tried to to support as well, is to try to.

[180:11] You know, seek efficiencies where you can don't build something if you know you're going to come back and rebuild it as part of a different project or try to capitalize on you know. Using the pavement management program to re stripe something even though that's not really necessarily part of a Vision Zero redo of this, you know xyz arterial so to just try to. yeah look for and be more attuned to capturing efficiencies where we can, I suppose, this something I think that has come up and probably fits in here and I just don't see it on that slide that's all that I wanted to mention. Alex. i'll be succinct, I think, overall I feel heard, especially in a way that never was by previous leadership. And I think what you've outlined and this correctly identifies capital projects as maybe the symptom that we're feeling.

[181:04] But I think it's worth underscoring at the root cause, in my opinion, is typically that we're using outdated engineering, especially when it comes to bicycle infrastructure. And for a Community where cycling is such an important part of the culture and something that we've historically done so well, I think that's led to a lot of tension between the board and staff and the way the Community perceives everything. And we've you mentioned trade offs between modes, but I think we've missed some some easy layups that would have not been contentious had they've been done in a in a more thoughtful and effective manner. And then the thing that's missing from here that I talked with many of you offline about but isolated examples of deception where. We hear one thing when we're being asked to make a judgment and then we were told the opposite after the fact, and find out that what we were being told wasn't true.

[182:04] And that for forever erodes trust and that's more on an individual basis, and while staff, I think i've done that a couple times in the past to get a product project across the finish line. It forever harms the trust there and it fails to deliver a successful projects to the Community so. Nothing I haven't talked with you about. that's true and. Both you and have and the Community have my commitment to ameliorate that and basically get rid of that perception. Great Thank you. Thanks for doing this, I know this kind of this is a hard thing to do. But I do appreciate it. Thank you, we appreciate it too. i'm sure you all have fun.

[183:02] Speaking of fun unless there any other matters from staff. Then we're going to move on to manage from the board and we're going to hand over to Alex wine hammer first to talk about can. Excellent. Thank you. So, as we were a part of we developed a letter to city council with a suggested work plan item for the upcoming year which they were able to. Consider in advance of their retreat and i'm sure we saw various other ideas brought forward by Community members and other groups, both pertaining to transportation and otherwise. And at the the Tuesday meeting before the retreat there's a little bit of a preview of the given take there'll be necessary to work some. Additional transportation items into the work plan, I think there was some some staff certainly felt limited something that they communicate it then and have. Often communicated and some on Council and the Community felt like we weren't getting enough into the work plan, given the the ambition of.

[184:08] the lot of the Council members have expressed, either in the past as a Council member or on the campaign trail. And so, as people started asking for potential items that could be included in to the work plan I started just looking for low hanging fruit or things that are. Half completed with the hope that individuals on Council could champion them and I also look for things that I felt like were lower prayers or we could we could give a little bit as we asked for an additional take. And the good advice that Ryan gave me was to package, all these things together as a single vision, not as a menu of options and so that's where where can came from, and so i'm sure you've all seen the map and I just want to provide an explanation of how that that map that map was created.

[185:00] Can you all see my screen. Okay, so I think, but I think, as our North star is visions here, I know we've got all these bills and, at the end of the day, they're all they're all relatively aligned or. If you succeeded one you're likely doing well, on the other, but with Vision Zero with something that the Community adopted in 2014, which is, of course, the goal is. Zero severe injuries and deaths by 2030 and 2022 the year and marks the midway points between the adoption of that goal and our ultimate deadline. And, as our vmware tmp report on progress shows where we're not on track to succeed, and if you look at last year alone, it was one of the deadliest and I think at least a decade and we're still experiencing one incapacitating crash a week. And so you've heard me say this, a million times but A Vision Zero is a data driven approach to increasing the safety of folders streets and 65% of our severe crashes happened on only 16% of our streets, and those are the arterial, which was the motivation for the core arterial network.

[186:12] I think it's worth acknowledging the past successes that that we have that's made our our city as bicycling friendly, as it is and safer running walking around town as well. And we've developed this this world class network of Austria past that go through open spaces along green ways. But they don't do everything for us, I think, where our current challenges lie. or with the need to provide safe comfortable and accessible articles and with these three photos, and this is like the the three headed beast of. folsom 28th and 30th where you get to pick your poison if you're trying to travel more South in town. And this isn't great from a walking perspective it's terrible from a banking perspective every transit trip begins and ends as a walking trip, but also for cars, this is where cars are crashing into cars and causing all sorts of injury and death within our network.

[187:05] And so here's the the build of the map and it'll it'll end with the map that was presented at Council, but I wanted to break it up into different pieces. And first I just started with with observation so just observing some recent things that have happened is we've completed our 13th neighborhood green street. Not the best facility, but a fantastic use of $50,000 I think we've got the folsom P amp D project that has been recently implemented through the p amp D program something i'm really excited about. we've got the grants for the 30th street protected bike lanes, which I think they're very expensive, but a lot of good will come with that. East arapahoe is something we know what we want to do there and through the Multi use path project will be able to provide a a da compliant. Continuous facility for people walking and biking there and then on a diagonal we've got the transit improvements and the the Multi protected bike lanes Jason to it and then 28 street we know we're getting the transit lanes and the.

[188:05] multis paths adjacent to it, and I should have mentioned green on here means a bike project read as a transit project and then yellow is a is a study. So just these are just things that are identified, called the emerging core network continuing on with some observations, the the plp is. Our new best friend that allows us to implement low cost improvements in conjunction with with maintenance efforts so i've added baseline here on here as a bike project between 30th and foothills and then folsom on here. As a study that we're going to need to do some amount of analysis i'm sure. To get that on the ground, continuing with observations. Hopefully there's some upcoming grant opportunities with 30th in Colorado those are things that many people have tons of opportunity to weigh on. we've got some good designs at this point it's it's mostly about getting the funding for those and so at this point, no judgments have been made by me i'm just trying to document.

[189:09] observations and and look for look for opportunities. And what I started with doing was looking at a bunch of crowdsource lists ideas from Community cycles and others, to try to identify the most cost effective projects. And iris is definitely recurring idea of doing a 42 three conversion there to provide some some safer bike claims gun barrels a recurring theme, I didn't draw specific line on this map because. we've got something that works with they have 119 with Doc with see that the county could be a potential partner and then there's also some advances on some city multis path that I think will will help with that. And then the south bought broadway bus lanes, we give all this attention to spending a quarter billion rebuilding the diagonal or 100 million unbuilt rebuilding arapahoe. But on South broadway we have more transit service today than those streets are ever projected to have and along that six lane section, with just signs and payment markings, I think we can provide some reliable transit upgrades for six figures stop for for nine figures in capital costs.

[190:20] And then I looked at where we can fill in gaps and I think North 30th street as a natural continuation of all the progress we've made studying and implementing the improvements on 30th street. East Pearl street or something I think is worth worth focusing on making sure that people can get safely to and from boulder junction on foot and by bike so trying to get to transit there. And then it's also not on our tmp as a bike facility from Pearl to 30th, and so I think that's, something that would be worth evaluating and thinking about if we want to. change that moving forward and then making sure that from 28 street our transit buses can get in and out of in and out of boulder junction.

[191:05] And then recurring theme i've heard are just ideas for downtown it's such a well regarded place that's focused on the pet pedestrian experience. And so, heard all sorts of ideas about West Pearl closures East Pearl closures implementing the protected bike lanes, as shown and rtmp converting the one way streets to two way streets, providing better access to downtown boulder station. and creating more pedestrian nice spaces, I think, doing any one of those in isolation just will create all sorts of problems or there's challenges with them. And so, by looking at everything, at the same time with without look trying to implement predetermine outcomes, but working through the lens of how can we continue to support the business community. expand the human scale experience and then ensure that everyone can arrive to and move around downtown safely by all modes of transportation.

[192:04] So this is the network, as it was presented at City Council during the retreat and it was one of the three items that received unanimous Council support so. it's encouraging to see Council provide. That type of buying feel like staff at maybe is felt a little. Not enough support from them ever since wholesome so that's something that's certainly encouraging to see. And here's a quick sketch, I made I know it's missing facilities, but on the Left i've sketched. That that emerging core things that are already down on the ground are in the works, and then a lot of the main multi use paths in the in the vicinity of it. And you see a bunch of gaps and how those arterial is can help fill in those gaps and provide those those last mile connections to so many destinations in town. And so My hope is that with can we can provide not only a network of articles that people can utilize, but it also takes advantage of all that past success with our investment in the off street facilities.

[193:10] So to summarize the approach it's it's very much data driven looking at not only the crash data but also the user data. If you look at our average daily traffic volumes, this is where we can reach the most people and impact the most people. I think it's it's focused on a an area that is incredibly destination rich there's a lot of multifamily housing there's sees main campus East campus will bill. With the south broadway bus lanes, maybe even tying in to see you South that are thousands of jobs, our cities retail is disproportionately concentrated within this area. And there's more coming soon with the diagonal Plaza redevelopment and the transit village area planning that Council identified in that retreat. So it's a very destination rich area and i've seen research that suggests that the easiest types of trips to convert from driving to to an active mode of transportation.

[194:05] are ones that are short and so, given how many people living and working in this area and how many destinations, there are, this seems like a great area to focus on. Not only for the safety reasons, and the number of people, we can reach, but the amount of opportunities, we can unlock by making these arterial streets less of a hurdle. for everyone and one question I kept getting from from Council members throughout this was how many lanes, how many miles of protected bike lanes do we have and how many with this provide. And I think conservatively it would increase the amount in our in our network by a factor of five, so I think kind of by definition. It would be a bit of a success, especially after we've been stalled we've seen other communities implement protected bike lanes at a rate that we wish we were, and I think this will help us help us catch up. And to implement protected intersections that helps to have intersecting protected bike lanes, so I think through this through these court or improvements will be able to unlock a bunch of opportunities.

[195:03] At our intersections to create safer pedestrian and bicycle crossings and then with the South broadway bus lanes, I think that. The lowest hanging fruit, we have, as far as how we can invest from an infrastructure perspective and transit service. So that's the the take with can, and then the give that I think was missing and that really helped Council members help get this off the ground was the shift in focus. So the first area is a as a shift in focus away from the tmp for the time being, when we updated the tmp in 2019 randall rush estimated that it was the seventh since 1989 so seven and 33 years is that. Much more frequent studying that I think most communities do, and my hope is that can really implements things we've already identified in those plans. And so, if we're able to delay the tmp and, as I understand from speaking with Erica from both a staffing and a consultant perspective will be able to shift some resources.

[196:07] From a new update and focus on these things that have previously been identified. And then My hope is that, by implementing can it serves as a strong foundation for whenever we do get to a tmp update. Where we can build out geographically from the core area and then also fill in the core area with the secondary network of any articles that might have been missed. Looking at the collectors turning to the use of neighborhood clean streets as an alternative, if needed, and then also shifting away from the neighborhood programs. watching those over the last three years on tab I find them to be incredibly staff consuming and engagement intensive. We don't just put things in front of people's house, we give them two opportunities to way and before we put something in front of their house. We cater custom engineering treatments using materials were not familiar with. Then we asked them how what they think of it and run all sorts of data collection and analysis.

[197:03] And those are whether cheap to implement that maintenance costs on those are not going to be negligible and the amount of time that goes into those is considerable. So by shifting our focus away from our safest streets, which are signed for 20 miles an hour and focusing it. On the core arterial network, I think that was the missing trade off that was needed to get to get more done, and so my hope is that. members of staff see their work reflected in can tons of work has gone into studying 30th in Colorado baseline folsom and iris are things that staff at previously recommended are identified opportunities for improvement and hope. And tap sees our opinions and work reflected in this. With the latest tip update we recommended the inclusion of a supplemental fun for the p amp P, so that we can do things like. baseline and then the aftermath of the 28th street project we recommended that Council focus on folsom and 30th and I feel like we're getting that support much faster than I would have anticipated.

[198:15] Thanks Alex. i'm dying to know staff has an any comment here. we're deeply appreciative that Alex was able to gather the voices of tab and Council and the Community and staff and synthesize them and. I know that i'm very appreciative and grateful because this is a direction that whenever I joined the city had really want us wanted us to be able to go towards be able to have. A focal point and be able to present trade offs to Council because not only as a staff but.

[199:08] As an organ to city organization and as the Community we can't do it all, and we certainly can't do it all at the same time, and this provides a lot of focus it's not no offense Alex it's not perfect, but it is. a really strong step in the right direction and it's also very positive because I think that we're all highly aligned with it my understanding. So thank you okay. Thank you. I was. Do you so i'm looking at your last the slides from the last item. Erica do you feel that this focuses on the desired outcome comes versus crowdsourcing engineering.

[200:01] Oh. cool. tab any comments questions. what's our next step, what do we what what what's next here. Now that we have a map and we all like the map, what do we do next, with the map. So I can tell you what we're doing you know we've gone back, and you know we've taken this and so we're trying to give it more life, and so the next step is that. You know Council overall is going to see a you know kind of a game plan for all their mosaic of their top 10. wants and so forth, and clearly, you know, this is one of them, you know, in terms of the work program what we've been doing is going back and looking at you know each one of the different pieces. And we've had some opportunities here in the shorter term, to actually submit grants that are consistent with can so you know for Dr Cox so.

[201:08] You know, you will see that, on the list that gene had you know offered to you so that's one thing second thing is that we're going back and putting together, where there are some more immediate term studies that are identified. or design work so we've you know gone back into the shop, so to speak, and we're looking at those things. And I think you know the other thing too is that it's created the focus and the intentionality behind it. The other thing you know that i'd be remiss if I didn't say was that we've stopped doing other things, and so you know the SMP as one example, and so forth, because literally we can't do it all in the direction we've gotten from Council is to focus on this quarter real network.

[202:00] Because the data are telling both them and asked all of us that the majority of crashes are occurring on arterial networks and. Trying to provide alternatives for people to use alternative transportation that are separate and distinct from the vehicle traffic on this key so there's that recognition and then also that. We have the you know, trying to get the bandwidth oriented and focus towards this new way of thinking. Okay. um. I wanted to press Alex a little bit on. Some assertions pretty early on, about the the south broadway bus lanes. and You know we've been we've been as tab we've been asking for years for more attention and more help on Articles you know folsom iris.

[203:00] All this broadway as well and, and that the gist of the answer we've gotten over and over is yeah arterial walls are hard that's messy also see has a say in it. We need to study that's going to take years and a lot of money to study and especially if you start messing with the buses bus service then you're gonna have to answer to our TD. So i'm concerned you're a bit pollyanna ish about that section of broadway to say with some signage and paint you can get changes with six figures and not nine can we talk a little more about that. Sure, I think it is something that orange modeling and that doesn't come at a considerable cost and then signage and paint is relatively cheap. along that stretch, we have almost a bus a minute in the peak hour even looking at the code reductions we're still seeing numbers nearly that high.

[204:01] And, by providing a constantly clear lane for transit so that they're never stuck in congestion and when they use one of the the bus bullets in front of nest they can they can merge back with traffic with these. From an infrastructure perspective, I think we can establish that as a transit priority court or that it's warrant that it warrants based on the the ridership and the service levels for a relatively low cost. I I wouldn't stop there, I think that staff has identified table Mesa and broadway as a potential place to do some transit upgrades especially I know the county has identified this southbound left as you go from broadway to table may says, an important. place in in a lot of the buses routes that they're leaving town, because they get caught up there. I think there are ways that that intersection could be modified, but again they come at a at a low cost.

[205:06] tweaking some of the lane assignments there perhaps, and so I just think from a transit perspective we're going to spend $350 million on state highway 119 and seven for less service that we have on broadway today and for six figures. we're not going to change the experience vastly, but we can provide small amounts of time savings for every writer which, over time, will make that expense very justifiable. Okay. I know, in the past, you have been at odds with what cost estimates have you know come out. Like what staff says something is going to cost me like no it's far cheaper and you guys have been like orders of magnitude difference. I don't know how.

[206:01] The cost for putting a multiuse path on the West side of broadway and North broadway. The cost of. What they well well broadway really came out. And then there was. I didn't provide cost and either this examples. Okay. I think. I think they did, and you thought that's ridiculous that can't possibly be that much. awesome. Okay. unwholesome they said 5.3 million. I said it'd be under a half million, it was 170,000. Okay. So that's orders of magnitude so i'm just curious how where but I wasn't in the wrong direction by an order. Oh no no i'm not saying you are. I think. To be fair, when mark said, you know we were we were presented options of broadway really at a Community meeting and not told like what the various costs of these options were and that might have actually made a difference in how people voted with their little sticker exercise.

[207:12] I don't know what the what the cost of this is, I think you can make an excellent case for it being worth it, whatever it is, but I just don't know how soon we're going to have an idea of what this. This emphasis means in terms of how how we shift around and and what we give up as a city in terms of our transportation budget or what else we're going to have to ask for i'm just curious when will know that or how will have an idea. With South broadway or overall. i'm sorry just overall yeah this can overall. I think staffs started looking into that and. i'm sure they have some cost estimates with them and. They can speak to it better than I can at this point. that's what I was speaking to earlier, that you know have basically sent this back to the shop instead okay here there's the you know each one of these things is its own separate elements so.

[208:10] What does it take you know sort of broad brushstroke in terms of scope on what what what might it cost and what's the time frame, with it, because not everything can be constructed within 18 months or two years. Right and so it's to go back and it's like putting a big puzzle together and so we're trying to get the puzzle pieces all a little more clearly defined and then come back to you and have that conversation okay thanks. anyone else. mark. Oh. First, I want to thank Alex for the work he did during that kind of an intense week pulling this together.

[209:00] I think it represents excellence and to regards excellence and reading the room, knowing the audience and understanding this Council and what it is they were looking for, they were they they were obviously. hungry for this sort of product that they could. You know, they were recently elected they were elected on broad general positions and this plan allowed them to. raise their hand and say yeah, this is an example of something I want to get done so excellence and reading the room and. In light of our last agenda item, I think it represents excellence and crowdsource engineering. And that that I think a lot of this can be attributed to Alex I think song that song that can be contributed to Community cycles and their advocacy advocacy committee.

[210:11] So that can be attributed to tab and our prior suggestions and ideas, so I think it represents excellence in that regard and so i'm really appreciative of that um now, I have a couple. of questions specifically. In what you presented to Council regarding the south broadway bus lanes did that incorporate a true bus only in the right lane. And a left hand turn from the right lane to eastbound cable Mesa would. Is that something that if I said hey those South broadway suggestions of are part of can are really great would they would they have an idea that we're talking about those things.

[211:11] I know it was certainly included in some of the conversations I had with Council members that the intent was that the right lanes be converted to bus and right turn only. I would have to go back and listen to matter racial specific words in the retreat to see how it was presented to all nine Council members. That I would think that that was the the point that was there. I think both are critical and i'm really excited about about both on that on that stretch of broadway, so I hope so i'm really psyched about that i'm. Also, in the last agenda topic that the tmp came up and. And Erica I perceived again a comment about the deficiencies of the current tmp and.

[212:03] My question to you, it does have has staff agreed to drop the tmp update for the next for an extended for two more years or whatever anyway, what is your agreement or understanding with Councils intent regarding the tmp update being delayed. Oh, I mean quite simply the rate, you know the consultant resources that we were ongoing that we had identified to be used to the dmp update will. No longer be used for that and they'll be repurposed for achieving the can network because there's a series of studies as balls engineering. You know, unclear at this point, you know, is it quote enough don't know yet, because you know we're still trying to scope that out ourselves and also you know staff that we're going to be working on that now being repurposed to work on, you know this and then other things.

[213:02] Great thanks um and then my last questions are. What does this, and maybe you can answer this Yet what does this mean for the NS empty and the visa experimentation. And i'm not advocating for deep cuts i'm not saying you can't die i'm just i'm just wondering what What does this mean for those those two programs. It means upon, and that was explicit with Council and. Because we can't do everything. With the current level of resources that we have so they. More provided with the trade off. And when she when you say pause like i'm i'm thinking, does that mean that simple projects that we approved for 2022 that are those paused like stop going forward, does that mean that the.

[214:15] evaluation process is is paused and why did you be a little more specific on that. there's only one project that. Because it was so far in flight in terms of design that we said Okay, we will it doesn't make any financial sense or Community sense to not tie a bow on that. But we're following Councils direction because Council told us that, as part of their 2022 work program priorities going into 2023 that this is what they want in terms of the can network and it's very explicit on there, what the expectation was that we would take off the table.

[215:02] Good Thank you. it's a okay. Thanks anyone else. Mark thanks for reminding me where my manners Alex I should have said from the outset i'm so impressed um and I remember the first time that I met you, for the first time I remember meeting you, which I think is the first time I met you. You were considering applying for tab and I was at a you know. Community meeting or something. And you came up afterwards and said hey i'm thinking of applying for tab i'm you know i'm an engineer, do you ever really get to like talk about the design, do you ever get to. really change what they're doing or did they just not listen to you can you actually really make a change that was like well, you can put as much time into this, as you have. And sometimes you'll get frustrated, but they really do listen to you sometimes and I can't I mean this is the most impactful thing I can't I when I make I couldn't imagine that you would have been able to pull this off.

[216:05] So um and I should have said that from the outset. appreciate that and I didn't see potential in it until I started putting things on a map that I had either new or heard from others, and so I think there's just this lack of visualization That was the missing piece, and all of us. yeah well I hope it's clear you've made a difference, my friend. May I say one thing, please. Yes, please. um but from my standpoint as the director, but also from those of us and staff just want to say thank you to tab for all your input from all the years and. You know, raising the flag on so many different issues and then also to Alex, thank you for your leadership in this and helping tie it all together they think that we're all better off for it.

[217:05] Okay. Well we'll move on them. until next time when we get to hear about can again. Open board common anyone else have anything for open board comment I think mark might have had a couple of things I don't remember what am I gonna tell you what to save it no. The only one that I remember because okay mark good. yeah I was just going to say, the only thing I have is. Under my agenda tracker and I thought we just deal with that under. Your agenda items. Okay, so the only thing that I had wanted to raise was I became aware of that. Committee Community vitality is or has presented to City Council about a pilot project extending the open streets and pedestrianisation and again i'm irritated and frustrated that no one's come to tab for our input on it, because I do think that Community vitality view of.

[218:11] The purpose and the possibilities for that program are a bit and myopic and would benefit from. Transportation staff input or more transportations to have input and form from tab input and so i'm again i'm going to register my discontent with the cuny vitality, lack of interface with tab. anyone else have anything for open for comments. Do. Just one thing thanks um so the the, on the other side of the Council, the the new initiative with can be had previously talked about bmt and I just wanted to express, I mentioned it earlier that I spoke with Chris and Valerie. And I just got appreciation for that work and got into that and that there's you know I don't assume I don't mean to assume that.

[219:05] You know that he wasn't being worked on already, but it did just strike me in hearing from them and thinking about it that. gosh I hope I hope we can continue that some some of this as a framework that when you know when these next couple of projects or whatever projects come to tab talked about, we have some more basis to say Oh, this is how it fits into our planet should be empty and feel that be. we've mentioned before. You know, a desire to learn something gets into the T amp T and then and I think Erica We often hear well we don't have. We don't have a whole plan is to comprehensive but it just strikes me that we're be clearly have a framework, at least for three empty stomachs that formed and i'm just would love to see us. Not only move forward with that, but make isn't a way that makes it transparent or not transparent, but just available available to tap into the public to see.

[220:07] How these all these things work together so I mean I could comment on on other issues in a similar way, but just thinking about the empty love to see this, you know turn turn into something i'm still. Okay. And for the benefit of the person trying to compile the Minutes. Could could you stay a sentence that she might put into the minutes about your. Fight here I. would like to see a staffs work on bmt recommendation to counsel. Take take take life. Well, thank you that's helpful. Right anything else i've been more comment Alex. i'd flagged an email that on this Thursday the planning board is going to be asked to update the proposed cross section and the transit village area plan.

[221:06] It sounds like the impetus for it is the construction of the new fire station, and so they need to pour some concrete and as described the. New cross section would be an upgrade on the one on the books, because the one on the books includes parallel parking on 30th street and by cleans that aren't protected. In the context of can, and the second phase of the transit village area planning that Council prioritize that they're a treat I think it might make sense staff through can identifying potential tip projects to do a corridor study i'm curious what. Staff knows about this effort and how transportation might be able to assist and subsequent decisions made about the public right away within the tea bag area.

[222:06] So I guess a couple of things, one is that, in a very micro i'm. Planning development oriented place in space that you know, there have been conversations, but in terms of a broader conversation and having tabs coordinate systems, I had actually reached out to our planning brother and to see where things are at and still waiting to hear. Okay, and I brought it to David and signs attention the planning board chair, so I might tune in on Thursday and see what direction that goes. Because they hadn't there he wasn't aware of some of the stuff we're working on and it sounds like transportation was although all aware of what was going on with him planning. appreciate that making that connection, thank you.

[223:01] yeah. Thanks for catching that Alex. i'm. hurt your back is the one that brought my attention to that so. Oh, that Kurt he's probably on still isn't he. Yes, thanks, Kurt. There you are yeah. i'm. Do Alex we can't insert ourselves, are you able to attend on Thursdays at what you just said, maybe i'll try to be there on Thursday. Night tonight and I don't know if I would have anything. Okay, I could really State other than the fact of what transportation staff have identified, or what is included in can David said that he, they also can't request tabs. In. What if they thought it was appropriate what they could do is suggest to counsel to seek tabs and put on this. I hope that it's it's not this big thing that's supposed to be a. inform the future design of 30th street, but just a placeholder in the context of constructing the fire station and then, whatever happens, through TV APP planning can planning or a tmp update would supersede what's going to be updated on the books for now.

[224:14] Okay, I just didn't know how. Urgent the tea bag update was going to be. If they can't if they decided they didn't have enough information yet could they table it or I don't know curious. Short stretch so. Whatever. Right yeah thanks that was the thing that I had a mental placeholder someone had something. All right, is that it for open for comment. looks like it. next meeting is hutches last meeting. So dress up people. We can throw you are going away party.

[225:01] that's. All he's alive for two years as a beer. to drive. i've even switch to non alcoholic beer and honor. You. Know higher prices die or my friends. Your party, you have the right to dictate costumes it whether the costume code or not so you're right. it's all going to be vests and Plaid shirts. that's it no, they also have pockets for masks and them okay good. Alright future agenda topics mark, do you wanna walk us through this. Well sure um so. i've been thinking about it and so last last month last meeting the future agenda topics item kind of disappeared, and there was nothing there. And so I had my future agenda topic tracker this month is back with an agenda, and I think that's just wonderful I think I really appreciate staff.

[226:03] Filling us in and and giving us a longer horizon to look at for future agenda topics and and I think it gets awkward for me to try to record staffs future agenda items, and I think, maybe it's awkward for staff to try to manage and record. What is a tab initiated agenda item, so I went back today and I listened to the negligent until about four o'clock this afternoon. I went back and reviewed the tape of what I did last month regarding future agenda items, so I updated that table and here's what i'm going to propose, given the late hour and slightly behind schedule is that. What all maintaining track or commit to it, at least until the retreat and some change in this is i'll track tab.

[227:07] agenda items that are either initiated by tab concerning to tab that they might get dropped, or whatever. And will and staffs going to continue with what they've done here with with this agenda, how email, the recent cable recently completed and those still pending. That are tab initiated or of tech concern, and I can send out the email, and if, at the next meeting there's any. Any cabinet Member wants to add delete discuss those items, or if we're ready to do that tonight we can do that, but I i'm that was that's my proposal in and i'm curious what other cabinet Members think about. It sounds good to me.

[228:03] I see some nodding from Ryan possible nodding from high see some nods. sounds good. Okay. Especially if it means we don't have a 20 minute like. that's not. let's not OK. OK OK, I will note however i'm assuming the, the first thing I are on the future agenda topics is probably not going to be on the future agenda and SNP pine project of the complex projects public hearing. They can, please, to. The the thing that's listed as a march 2022. yeah and SMP stuff that's not going to happen. yeah there's there's several updates that need to be made to the future done the topic, because I think that was all put on the agenda you know much earlier around.

[229:02] We had our last meeting. yeah and so. It doesn't reflect the changes to our work program since comfortable retreat. Okay. we'll sort that out and circulated around as well. Okay, I see a bunch of happy faces, this was such a nice valentine's you guys. let's do it again next year. But in the meantime, I will entertain a motion to adjourn. hutch moves to adjourn. Mark seconds at hobby you. Hearing no objection, we shall adjourn until next month. Alright, thanks, thank you, and thanks again to the intrepid members of the public who are still on we always love to see you and don't you have better things to do tonight, my goodness we'll see you next month. This meeting is adjourned.