January 10, 2022 — Transportation Advisory Board Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] better way it's fine okay he started recording thank you the first thing shows up in a place i can't hit it there we go all right sounds like we are all here we have a quorum i am calling uh to order the meeting on monday january 10 2022 of the transportation advisory board for the city of boulder welcome let's go ahead and let everybody in uh the waiting room that we need to it looks like everyone is in we will continue to keep an eye on that and let people in as we go um but i would like to open this meeting first of this year uh and i'm gonna remember in time this time this time we will go over our meeting rules first for conducting virtual meetings um veronica is going to be helping us as the technical host this

[1:01] evening so go ahead veronica when you're ready okay is my screen sharing yes perfect well hello everyone my name is veronica and i will be the technical host for tonight's meeting thank you all for joining uh and again a few housekeeping rules this meeting has been called to conduct the business of the city of boulder activities that disrupt delay or otherwise interfere with the meetings are prohibited the time for speaking or asking questions will be limited to three minutes no person shall speak except when recognized by myself and no person shall speak for longer than the given three minutes uh each person shall register to speak at the meeting using their real name any person believed to be using a name other than the one they are commonly known by will not be permitted to speak at the meeting and if you are joining by phone you will need to press star 6 to unmute and star 9 to raise your hand

[2:03] so no video will be permitted except for city officials employees and invited speakers all others will participate by voice only i will enforce these rules by muting anyone who violates them the chat function is enabled for tonight's meeting and will be used for individuals to communicate with the host regarding technical and online platform questions if an attendee attempts to use the chat for any other reason the city reserves the right to disable the individuals access to the chat only the host and individuals designated by the host will be permitted to share their screens during the meeting okay thank you thank you veronica i i've been escaping in and out for me my connection's a little stable so drop off suddenly so you know what to do

[3:00] i'm hoping you guys can hear me on that my connection is a little iffy are you guys hearing me kind of kind of okay i'm not quite sure what to do about that because this is the kind of a good area um we'll carry on if it continues i might drop off and then try to rejoin um let's go ahead and move to the introduction of valerie watson our new transportation planning manager very much um i'm eric evan brand director of transportation mobility here at the city of boulder and i would like to introduce valerie watson she is our new um manager of transportation planning and she comes to us from the city of los angeles where she has held a number of different roles and responsibilities that include um you know basically just about doing everything you could ever imagine when it comes to transportation land use

[4:00] planning long-range zoning and also dealing with everything that's related to making your city streets safe for bicycling walking and you know the pedestrians accessing transit as well as trying to make things safer for vehicles so with that um i if valerie if you have any additional things that you would like to say i would invite you to do that but i just wanted to introduce valerie to you tab because she's going to be a key member of our collective team as we go forward thanks erica this is valerie watson and for some reason my video is not turning on this evening and i apologize for that but i'm waving hello and i'm so pleased to be here i'm thrilled to join this department um i look forward to working with all of you who serve on our tab um and i'm just um also just wanted to say that um it's it's fantastic to start a new year

[5:02] and um you know work through all the things that that we're going to be achieving this year and charting that out with our fantastic team um so yeah i i'm so sorry that i can't um smile and wave at you and on the screen here um oh okay interesting um thank you from lynn for that um but yeah i'm i'm really happy to be here and i look forward to meeting all of you um in person and virtually thanks valerie it's a pleasure to almost meet you welcome valerie yeah it seems like you have a camera on maybe it's a different camera that you have multiple cameras connected there's something is showing it's a it's kind of a quilt and um with a little rose or something on it a brown wall with a light it's a it's a get to know you guessing game what part of my house is this

[6:01] well valerie we look forward to seeing you if not in the flesh at least uh in the virtual space in the months to come but welcome aboard we are pleased to have you okay thank you for that sorry for the technical difficulties never seen anything like this before for sure i'm kidding uh we will improve along then unless anyone has any questions of valerie tab then we're just going to move along to approval of a couple sets of minutes we have received uh and posted online revised october 20 21 minutes um which included a section where we had our first concept review weigh in as a as tab um i am open to hearing if any members of tab have any revisions or amendments to the october 2021 meeting minutes as revised

[7:06] i don't see anyone you lie about super quick comment yes mark um i want to thank meredith for uh the very detailed and um accurate uh recording of our october um meeting with the missing the item that went missing the uh now that it's filled in is filled in um really nicely so thank you emotion language you mean yeah with the most just the whole the whole thing that that missing item is now there and it's it's there in a in a way that um i'm happy to uh move to approve the revised october minutes well done i will second that

[8:04] all in favor of approving the uh revised october 2021 minutes i see one two three four five hands approved thank you very much for correcting that i am of course curious if we have any insight about what happened and how um such an item got dropped um but alex thanks again for watching that and bring it to our attention last meeting i wish i did have information for you taylor but we do have a transcript so okay yep good thing someone recorded this thing huh okay let's move on then there were also a draft december 2021 minute meeting meeting minutes uh does any member of tab have any uh revisions um or amendments to those minutes yeah mark beat you to the beat you to the visual punch there so mark first then ryan

[9:01] um i'm just looking at my notes here and under item seven i believe was matters from the board there was a discussion about the protected bike lanes on folsom and they were noted as projected bike lanes ryan do you have anything else yeah thanks on open board comment we had a pretty lengthy discussion about the the amps and curve management and i think it might benefit from just a kind of a summary sentence this is something like tab express concern that tab has not been given sufficient standing and influence with amps initiatives or something like that i think i think that would capture what the conversation was about i could repeat that or send it to the tab um

[10:05] i support what you just said if you want to repeat it i'll say it again tab express concern the tab has not been given sufficient standing and influence with amps initiatives feel free to word smith but that's what i'd start with so i will caution that typically um the secretary is much more um in charge of capturing verbatim comments as opposed to summarizing them that's where we kind of get into trouble um but uh it does appear that majority of tab is thinks that what you just stated is a succinct enough an accurate summary of what happened i have no objection to including that in the minutes which is sort of the general um flavor doesn't feel like what is usually captured in this because that is the secretary's job

[11:02] does that change sufficiently clear okay i got a thumbs up from meredith um i'm going to interpret that as an amendment to the minute so there's a motion to amend the minutes as ryan has just uh described all in favor of the motion to amend oh alex would you like to speak sorry we need to have a discussion on the motion i don't think we're missing anything but and please correct me if i'm missing something here but agenda item six is matters and then future agenda is eight is there a seven oh you stickler you it was a f um yeah it was a test seven was matters from staff um

[12:05] sorry yes seven was future agent topics i was looking at the wrong um agenda so future was seven and eight was a german so i think just eight should be seven and then two open board comment i think that i item ate from the board i'm just looking at my agenda from that meeting yeah so i physically re-numbered on the agenda last time uh future agenda topics was misnumbered should be seven and then so open board comment was 6b and when i see matters from the board

[13:03] i'll fix that know you got it you were right but it was it was misnomed on the original agenda i didn't mean i didn't notice it in real time i just fixed it by hand on my notes makes sense okay so um as i said i think we have on the floor a motion to amend the minutes as ryan shoehart has suggested is there any further discussion on that motion awesome um as amended do i have a motion to approve so moved thank you mark

[14:01] all in favor of approving the the december 2021 meeting minutes as amended i have one two three four mark moved so i'm gonna assume you vote yes minutes are approved thanks very much okay now we are at the public comment section there is no public hearing item this evening so if members of the public uh wish to uh win um another do you think cab should be paying attention to now is the time when seagal i see your hand up but uh other wish to participate in public comments it's a great time to raise your hand and let us know that you're waiting and i will turn this over to virga to uh to manage people i'll have three minutes to speak awesome thank you um lynn i will be asking you to unmute shortly

[15:01] and i will be starting my three minute background yo um i just tried a persimmon i didn't know what you do with those but i think they're really good for you when they taste good it's kind of strange persimmon check it out um my bike crash i think i told you about it but you have bigger problems to solve because of that rye crust then folsom street and i'm glad you said projected was wrong it was protected because um god forbid that we should have to go through that protective curb there again marnie russell explained it to me today again i needed to talk to her after the rocky flats meeting today because she's the alternate on the um executive committee meetings and um so i was surprised to run into a blast from the past once again

[16:01] pretty cool um she's been around 20 years ryan um so um what you need to do is you need to get these this this methamphetamine situation resolved so that's a big order for you because i can use the bike lanes on folsom but i cannot avoid people on math that are doing erratic behavior on the bike path i can't save myself from that believe me i go fast granted okay i ride my bike seriously to get somewhere but i am watching all the time to see if someone has headphones on and to what they're doing and i could not have controlled this situation believe me it reminds me of nadine who was almost rescued from the fire there were only two people robert sharp tried to um

[17:01] fight it with his garden hose and died but nadine was attached to her dogs around a table and scotty tried to get in to save her but only her granddaughter could get out scottie couldn't pull out the table with the dogs and her he could have pulled her out exclusively but it reminded me of the dog in the bike path that i almost hurt the dog if i hadn't stopped right when i stopped but it hurt my shoulder really bad and now i haven't still seen anyone because i've been navigating medicare i haven't used healthcare in two decades so navigating the system is just incredibly complex it consumes your whole time but um the other thing is you need to do something about cu south the millennium all of these developments that are bringing in all these people for intra-bolder community and i'm losing my thrift stores now i

[18:01] have to drive my bike now out to humane society because i can't go to re's but that's using my bike tires and that's not a non-renewable resource too because i need to buy new bike tires because i'm going further so everything has a cost so thank you thank you very much lynn i really appreciate you um reminding us uh to note um the recent fires and how they've impacted not just people in the city of boulder but our larger community of course you know as a transportation board we are of course concerned with them thinking about regional transit and transit between um cities so i appreciate you bringing that up thank you do we have anyone else who's wanting to participate in open comment i don't see anyone else waiting for a public comment okay so uh

[19:00] hearing nothing else from veronica i will uh go ahead and close the public comment section session as always we appreciate hearing from the members of the public thank you for coming this evening the next item on the agenda is uh listed as an information item only um it was a pretty sizable part of our packet uh but it was uh just sort of an update on amps and what's what's called amps 2.0 but access management and parking services work and work plan for the coming year um i did ask that we have some time set aside to discuss it and to ask questions i see that both chris jones uh i think i saw the other chris on here i have to skip through but i uh at least chris is here oh chris chris i'm here too you're at the bottom of my list for some reason i have to scroll through a few pages uh but they are available here if we have any uh questions for them um or feedback generally on on that item

[20:03] so but there's no presentation at the moment members of tab do you have anything for the chris go ahead mark that's okay cause you were me yeah no um so i'm a little confused so we don't have a presentation tonight we have a um 33-page memo and it's just open comment time what what what's what's the um what are we doing here i'm happy to chime in and chris if you would want to follow up um we really wanted to make sure that we as we did two years ago refreshed everyone's memory on all the different um work uh programs included in the amps document that are representative of many

[21:01] different departments and many different project managers update we wanted to update all of our boards and commissions on what we anticipate to accomplish in 2022 largely in advance of the city council's um work planning efforts through their retreats so i wanted to give everybody an opportunity to understand what we intend uh to be moving forward um from a variety of departments um where community vitality we are certainly seeking to make progress in our priority-based neighborhood access management and performance-based pricing on street where another a number of other departments also have work that they're anticipating for 2022 so it was really informative intended to be informative to let you all know what various departments are carrying forward in the year ahead and letting you know that we will anticipate the various project managers will approach you throughout the year

[22:01] depending on which topic we're talking about okay so i have a couple questions um and i did try to make my way through the um through the through the memo here i'm just going to rearrange a couple screens real quick here so i can um okay um does performance based pricing i after reading the memo i'm not sure exactly what that means does performance-based pricing equal pricing based on market value or what can you can you define it for me and uh what what it means

[23:00] sure so if you recall the work that we've done over the past couple years um specifically around street pricing and the neighborhood program we want to make sure that pricing is reflective of the utilization that we are experiencing during peak hours in our managed on-street program and so in the parking industry 85 percent utilization or higher is is really perceived to be at capacity or or fully utilized and so it's important to price that on street those on-street facilities appropriately to target between 75 and 80 85 percent utilization so um in the year ahead we will be working to better understand utilization you know our parking activity has been severely impacted by the pandemic and so conditions have changed significantly since this amp's work was originally pursued but we're really delighted we've brought

[24:00] on samantha bromberg has joined us from the finance department she where she led on the city's transition in our our business licensing and she's in her second her third week uh today um with community vitality as our project analyst in charge of access coordination so she's going to be working to pursue all the recommendations from the work done by walker consultants over the past couple years for priority based enabled access management and the performance-based pricing okay great thank you um so it sounds like performance-based pricing if you're trying to keep your parking spots full between 75 and 85 percent um that that is you are accepting and reacting to signals from the market that say okay uh i'm i'm at 90 i'm at 95 i'm too low

[25:01] i need to raise my prices uh i'm at 60 maybe uh now actually if we had fewer cars on the street um because we had mode shifted to reduce vmt that would that might be a a different sort of signal that we need to respond to and it may not be a reduction in parking prices but anyway i get your i get your drift there um so you mentioned there there's this mention of amps goals but then i searched the document and tried to find an actual summary of the goals or a statement of goals or um something like that and and i didn't find it but again it's a big document so i very well could have missed it but my question is on page two we have the amps guiding principles is that synonymous

[26:00] with goals largely yes for the long term amps approved document by city council so amps was a document that was developed um in partnership with uh consultant kimberly horn um back in 2016. it was approved by council in 2017 and so that's really the document i believe is linked to we that we felt like the memo um uh information item was large enough as it was so we did not attach the original amps document but that's really the foundation uh of all the work uh that we have been pursuing um to these various ends over the the past several years and that includes a lot more description of what the background of those guiding principles or goals are sorry chris can you just say you did not attach the amps document because you attach the whole the strategy document from 2017. um was it included as an attachment yeah so you know when mark said it was a

[27:01] 33-page memo it was actually 45 pages because 15 of that was the condensed you know 35 page i thought we had just linked to it as opposed to but i guess it did get attached no it's attached okay i'm just making sure there wasn't some other document that we weren't supposed to that we were supposed to be referring to sorry mark go ahead do you have further questions yes um and it's um i'll i'll just state that i'm a big fan of clearly stated goals what the mission is what we're trying to achieve and i came away slightly confused about what the real goals were here in the memo and again if you're going to counsel or you're coming to tab or whatever i i always appreciate a way of evaluating progress are there

[28:01] uh are we achieving our goals are we moving away from our goals and um so i struggled with this document a little bit because parking as a as a function of automobiles that are momentarily stationary and stored um you know we we really don't mention any linkage to the transportation master plan we don't really mention in any sort of significant goal way uh climate change mode shift bmt reduction or or really what a significant one for me for amps would be to say we are going to raise revenue enough that enforcement uh is covered and that we have we take money from parking and we have it to um apply to other goals which would be

[29:00] equity goals could be subsidizing eco passes could be all there's a there's a million things we can we that the the department is short on revenue and it seems to me that parking is one of those items that is a revenue generator and but if we're only generating revenue that doesn't even cover enforcement or barely covers enforcement then that's a that that's a problem and uh should be corrected so anyway my um i would think that one of the ways to measure the performance of the amps program is in total does parking not only pay for itself pay for enforcement but does it does it help us reach our other goals as stated in our transportation master plan so i don't know if you guys have any comments on that well um mark i can start chris haglin

[30:01] principal planner um sorry one of the guiding principles listed on the amp's website and what council approved is to plan for the present and the future and that goal specifically or that guiding principle specifically states that we're going to align the amps work with master plans including the tmp the climate commitment and sustainability framework so those are that is part of the guiding principles to align with those um i would also add that in our last work that we had we certainly want to bring um pricing up to cover the cost we did that with the the neighborhood parking permit program that is the goal to do that and then once we do recover costs there is the plan to how do we proceed in the future with additional revenue to provide those types of community benefits um and then i would also just add that we've been doing that for decades

[31:00] in the downtown already where um the eco passes for business employees businesses and employees in the downtown is paid for through parking revenue great thank you very much because i actually so i i i was concentrating on the page two of the memo and you are right um down here uh in the in the attached document plan for president and future is expanded upon so anyway i appreciate you pointing that out sure thing and good to hear that that uh that downtown i think i think as a um like we have the tmp report card and maybe it's maybe it's buried in here and i didn't get to it um it would be nice to see a measurable metric of how you know where revenue is in relation to cost and and where where that revenue is uh is being uh

[32:02] where it's going to help us reach our goals thanks thanks erica i see you have your hand up yeah i just wanted to also um say that i guess whenever both chris's had brought the um item before council before um ryan had been there as a very eloquent and very um passionate member of tab and also you know as an expert trying to share the thoughts and perspectives about increasing levels of parking costs to go beyond the items that both chris had just mentioned and at that point when council was considering it they um heard the message but they chose um to basically go with the 85 percent metric that chris jones had talked about and then um levels that would help achieve that so that was the that was

[33:01] the choice that was made at that time it's not to say that at a future time in the context of transportation master plan or um you know other considerations of council that things could differ but that's what happened then you looking at can i jump in tila might be frozen alex can i jump in before i agree with mark chris and chris thanks i agree with mark i i um i wish that the tnp goals were at the top of this or part of the top of this just like i wish they were when we met last month and talked about it that that was the starting point of the conversation so our job is to do mode shifts and and vision zero and vmt production and climate those are top transportation goals so i'd sure like them to come out more um so i disagree with mark um and then i just have a

[34:01] maybe i guess it's a question and erica it's kind of picking up on something you said and this is for the chris's um so we do have a uh a new council that you know i think individually we've heard a lot of um individual members a lot of interest in reduction and alleviating car dependency and my question is does this does do the documents we have in front of us reflect and an updated um strategy that that reflects on assuming a council wants more ambition on those fronts of climate and reducing car capacity uh or not ryan i i would say that you know first and foremost this was you know an informational item we have not received any um direction specifically from council at this point i think you know we're all looking forward to their retreat and and then

[35:00] receiving some of that direction specifically so i would say you know at this point you know the materials don't reflect the change because we're we're we don't know exactly what that that may be okay thanks and i just appreciate that grace um for being so succinct i'll just conclude by saying that um then i think that that's a message i hope council would understand that that that's really clear then that that we had a meeting on this topic in uh council last summer tab went to council and said we wish this was more aggressive and you know ambitious from a climate and vmt reduction standpoint um but it was it went ahead without that council there there's more that you know there's maybe if you're interested in closing closing gaps we should talk about it i'll leave it at that thank you both of you chris for your work thank you thanks ryan thanks chris um i think well well stated chris aglin about the current status um i

[36:00] i didn't have just the nicest way as mark uh mcintyre is putting this but i really struggle uh and heck you were talking about at times uh this is not the first time i uh the level of [Music] an arm i don't know you you are breaking up a bit yeah yeah you're getting like every other word so i i got my it guy working on it right now but you know go ahead and turn off your video uh and see if that helps okay all right i'm video free for the moment let's just see but you know i consider myself fairly fluent in english and pretty good at reading things in a variety of styles and for a number of sections here i had no idea what you guys were trying to to say or convey

[37:00] um and particularly if your work going forward is to try to um communicate with the public and uh community and effectively talk to them about why we're making changes uh documents like this memo are not gonna get us there we have to do better at saying more simply more succinctly without extra verbiage what we're doing i mean i'm just looking in particular at the tdm plan ordinance for new developments the bottom of page five top of page six this process engages and is not able to benefit from appreciating the actual needs interests or desires of future residents or commercial tenants approval of projects though desirous of certain trip generation targets also cannot determine or enforce their ultimate effect there are so many more succinct and direct ways to say what i think you're trying to say i'm really not even sure what you're trying to say

[38:00] the next paragraph down about strategy and approach very clear that's a paragraph i can understand the approach is to consider an ordinance that might require tdm plans to that can be monitored and enforced that's the sentence right there and so just being able to put in plain english without people having to understand what the different plans are different uh uh acronyms this is pretty critical to being able to explain and reach out to the public and to council so we just have to be doing better about making clear what's going on i had a similar question to what mark had not quite about what is performance-based pricing but why is that different from the ongoing quote curbside management strategy project um it's not clear to me why all these different things have different names and are different initiatives and then when i did go through and look at the amps strategy document that was

[39:00] appended at the end and it's one i've seen before right it's pretty old actually it's five or six years old now um and i'm just kind of wondering based on like what the progress that was reported in 2017-2018 when that was finalized and now like really what have we done that seems like a whole lot of assessing thinking about gathering data and i'm looking at what's going to happen here we're still assessing talking about gathering data doing public outreach when are we going to stop planning to plan and start making some changes and it's just not at all clear to me from from this information item that there's a whole lot of action and a whole lot of change is going to happen i think my final question was i noted on the npp item um saying the next steps at the top of the next steps on ftp maintain the pause on new npp zone requests i know that tab has asked that those um new requests that that basically there'd be no new npp

[40:02] uh zones established while we're kind of reimagining to use your language um and trying to figure out what how we're going to reform or amend the npp but to my knowledge that's never been that's not an invitation that's been accepted we've only been told repeatedly well there are no pending applications so can we be more clear is there actually a pause on considering new npps yes there is a pause that was presented as part of the the uh approved supported strategies by council moving forward into 2022 as we seek to implement the priority-based neighborhood access management recommendations so this would be a restructuring of the mpp program that identifies a number of key performance indicators to establish what the the benchmarks are for some sort of neighborhood uh parking management maybe not the blunt force

[41:01] tool that we've currently been using but other approaches to mitigate parking challenges whether it's associated with high activity trail heads um or spillover from our commercial districts um just identifying that there might be other ways that we can mitigate some of the parking challenges that neighborhoods are experiencing the current tool that we have available to us is maybe not the only tool that we should be pursuing and so in the year ahead we are both establishing and measuring those kpis and the hope is that by the end of this year we'll have some key recommendations for you all and other boards and commissions to consider as we seek to implement changes in uh neighborhoods in 2023 okay thank you um i guess my last question is uh chris

[42:01] jones i know you weren't here and haglin i'm not sure if you were on at the time or not but we had a brief discussion about um my and ryan's experience attending the first access allies uh meeting last month maybe in november i forget what the date was but um i was wondering if you had any reaction if you had had a chance to to hear our discussion on that and if you did if you had any reaction it's fine if you didn't yeah i'm sorry taylor i was not in a attendance um i did hear about it and we did discuss it internally about how we can improve that process um and you know we've got up-and-coming access allies meeting that you know we will surely um address your concerns with that yes next week i guess my question i mean and natalie and i spoke briefly about it but my my question at the at the last meeting kind of was like why are we doing that outreach um particularly the amp strategy document

[43:00] from you know four or five years ago talks about extensive you know public outreach and at what point do we stop soliciting opinions and start implementing changes but you know this felt like another iteration of a process that has taken place multiple times before before and it just never seemed to lead anywhere hi uh tila this is liv liu and i can speak a bit to to that um so um yeah thanks for your reflections um at last month's meeting and we are going to use them to inform what we present at the next access allies meeting regarding um both kind of the context and our goals and recognizing that we're not reinventing the wheel that we're building off our both our existing plans

[44:01] um and really um so like the tmp and amps we're going to make explicit how our goals tie to those and also to your question about like haven't we already done the outreach on this we're looking at it slightly differently now by really fine-tuning that work so specifically for curbside and really thinking about implementation and through this process we do anticipate doing some pilot projects as well to your point about when are we going to do something we're actually going to try to we're going to try some stuff out along the way and then at the end of the process um with the curbside management we'll have our our guidebook for moving forward with more implementation so does that does that help the part that i heard yes thank you i dropped entirely off and had to rejoin um hopefully it's better now but thank you for that live okay yeah

[45:00] thanks uh tab any other questions yeah let me let me chime in and hi chris uh i've worked with you before so uh i i'm leveraging that perspective um i did a bit of a bottoms up sort of trying to understand uh what was in your memo and and i guess there was a lot of word in place and we're going to work on the data and work on the insight um i would love to see in there for some of the ones where we're working the data in the inside something like what you just said you know by the end of the year we really want to have x or y um so that's sort of a processing recommendation then i guess my my interpretation that it it it looked like there was eight areas some of which were you know keep doing what we're doing like chautauqua some of which were

[46:01] uh like the the civic area and the tdm for the civic area i i wasn't clear if there's anything new there or if it's just we we think that the programs might might work particularly as things come back to life post covid i'd like to get that confirmed then then there's one on a tdm ordnance uh that it sounded like it's more in study mode right now there's one on changing parking codes which sounded like it not only was in study mode but there wasn't anybody available to study it uh and then there was updating fines which were which you know a swipe was taken at it but it was sort of done for now uh and then there's the performance-based pricing that that mark asked about which sounded like it was pretty active the curbside management which you just mentioned which sounds like it's pretty active uh and i know uh the

[47:00] tnm folks are involved in that and then the neighborhood access topic that we've talked about quite a bit is a is that the list and and b is there a sense of priorities among those you know are most of the resources going to one or two of those or i i'm not sure how to think about long lists like that where a lot of it is we don't really have something big we're trying to get done this year so i'd love any comments you have on that and i apologize is this a little bit repetitive with what the other folks asked yeah yeah sure i can start off and address some of those um so when you mention the civic area tdm you know this is something that we put in place uh years ago we've implemented it was very successful redid parking management uh in the civic area and at the library institute a parking cash out program for employees very successful um that of course was interrupted by uh kovit in the pandemic

[48:01] and and essentially most of those employees working from home so we're going to see how we pivot you know once we start transitioning back to a different type of hybrid work environment you know with the with the tdm ordnance and parking code these are two items that council asked us to link together we've done a lot of work on those in the past collected a lot of data i have word from planning and development services they issued me this statement on the parking code update that said um at this time the parking code changes uh for private part private property are on hold based on covid uh staffing reductions and the loss of their um code specialist um they anticipate that we'll they will be beginning work uh on these items in the third quarter of 2022 uh assuming that council does not reprioritize uh their work program later this month at the retreat uh so that is the word from

[49:01] planning and development services uh you know i i plan on working on the tdm plan ordinance in conjunction with that parking code update uh ask was request by council so hopefully we'll get that moving uh you know later this year um you know curbside management that is the the number one project that we're working on right now um that is going we have tab members on the access allies which you know you know that they've been attending uh so that that is the big project that's moving forward uh chris i don't know if you want to provide an update on on the implementation of those other ones sure hutch i think you did a great job of summarizing a very complex memo and i think the overall theme of the memo is is that a number of different departments touch a number of different elements of the amp's strategies so while it's chris and chris coming to talk to you about amps there are so many

[50:01] different um uh folks that are involved in taking various elements of amps across the finish line and so while curbside management is a top priority for transportation and mobility in the 2022 work plan for community vitality i mean we largely are involved in the administration of of parking when it comes to enforcement and then our managed districts with our general improvement districts and partnering as key subject matter experts in many things related to parking with other departments whether it's planning and development services and parking code changes or open spaces they seek to better manage uh parking around trailheads so with that um i'm really glad you brought up the um graduated fines as that's major progress that we had been talking about for a long time that effective january of this year we have doubled the base fine for basic

[51:01] parking violations and if you violate multiple times it graduates to forty five dollars for the second violation and sixty dollars for the third violation um and and that's a big change from how we had been enforcing uh prior to this year that we had talked a lot about and we've made that change it's been implemented we've talked a lot about the performance-based pricing and dynamic pricing on street and we intend to make progress on that that will play out in on the street in partnership with transportation mobility and their work in curbside management in 2023 so we also again have progress anticipated for the the performance or sorry priority-based neighborhood access management which will get a much better name hopefully by the time this is all said and done because again it's it's a bulky memo that i i understand is hard to

[52:00] digest because a number of contributors from a number of different departments trying to come together in one voice is not an easy task and um if we could have and had the capacity to spend more time and and finesse it into something that's more eloquent we would have but we also have suffered from the the challenges of turnover and trying to keep things moving forward in a very dynamic time where it's hard to predict um what's going to happen tomorrow and how that's going to impact our work plans and so we're really excited about the things that we we have ahead of us we are intending to make additional progress and we're hoping that through the the year ahead that uh individual project managers on their specific projects will be able to bring some meaningful progress to you all thank you chris that was very good question hutch good that was very useful i thought i think if i had any reaction to it

[53:01] chris jones just said it would be less attempts of being eloquent and less attempts at finessing uh i think that it in places it felt like someone was like okay how else can we say this or how do we say this very simple thing and try to make it sound fancier uh just more plain plain spook and plain language would serve us all better i think that's i suppose what i'm trying to get through on this any further comments i do want to get move along mark quickly super quick i concur with tila and ryan and i would simply add that this this council in communication to this new council has has urged um two messages that i've received from them are be bold and get stuff done and i think that um simplicity and clarity in goals and mission will help there i know you guys worked

[54:00] incredibly hard on this and i'm i'm i'm really appreciative of you know this memo took a lot to write and to bring together um but uh and i know that we have to honor what prior councils have done and and the message that they gave but this new council is telling us to be bold and get stuff done and i i like that message so that's what i'm going to conclude on great thank you all right that's going to conclude this item chris and chris and danny and other people who are here for this thank you very much i appreciate it but we will move along now uh to the safe streets boulder report we see devon's come online yes meaty thing

[55:03] all right good evening everyone my name is devin joslin i'm the principal traffic engineer for the city of boulder and tonight i'm pleased to be presenting our safe streets to report uh tonight i'll try to keep this presentation fairly brief uh hopefully no more than about 15 minutes to allow for plenty of time for discussion there are four main parts to tonight's presentation these closely correspond to the memo and attachments that were submitted to you in advance of tonight's meeting the first thing i want to do is provide a brief overview of the draft save streets report but i don't want to spend too much time on the report itself tonight within the presentation since we are more so looking for your feedback on it during our discussion uh the second thing i want to cover is to outline our goals and approach to completing the vision zero action plan update this approach was outlined in your memo

[56:00] and is an additional item that we'd like your feedback on tonight uh the next thing is i do want to highlight uh the progress and the vision zero work that is planned uh in 2022 and 2023 and the thing to emphasize here is that we do have a full work plan that will continue to strive to address crashes in the areas of concern even as we look to update the action plan and finally i'll uh go over some next steps related to both the safe streets report and the vision zero action plan this slide details some key points about the contents and purpose of the safe streets report it also points out what the report is and is not intended to do the key things the safe streets report allows staff to do is to understand high-level crash trends at a system level compare current trends to historical trends and explore severe crash trends in more detail the report sets the foundation for the vision zero action plan update

[57:01] which we will use to document uh identify quantify categorize prioritize cost out and track progress of our countermeasure implementation uh this slide i like to call it the recipe for success and it really shows the five main topic areas within the safe streets report and as you can see most of the report is focused on identifying and mapping crashes evaluating progress and highlighting the areas of concern this slide highlights the key findings and trends from the analyses conducted on the 2018-2020 crash data the key findings remain the same as were presented to you in november so i won't spend too much time pointing these out again but i do want to talk through them again very briefly just to refresh your memory the total crashes per year have been trending down since 2016.

[58:02] severe crashes per year have remained steady since 2016 ranging between 55 to 60 severe crashes a year except for 2020 which was impacted by the copa 19 pandemic and had 38 severe crashes and in 2020 there was a 44 reduction in total crashes and a 31 percent reduction in severe crashes compared to 2019 and note that vmt decreased by 29 percent in 2020. again with our areas of concern those have largely remained the same crashes involving bicyclists pedestrians speeding making left turns and older adults those that are 65 and older these have a much higher percentage of severe crashes compared to the percentage of total crashes and what you can note down at the bottom there is that most of our severe crashes during the analysis period occurred on

[59:01] our principal and minor arterial roadways 65 percent of our severe crashes on arterial roadways and those make up about 16 16 percent of center line miles within the city i want to transition now uh to walking you through the goals and proposed approach of the vision zero action plan update the slide highlights the four goals staff has identified and will keep in mind as we embark on the action plan update hopefully these are are written pretty clearly and it's it's just four things we want it to serve as a playbook to achieving vision zero we want to seamlessly integrate it into our departmental work plans we want to allow for direct and candid dialogue with tab and city council and we want to assure accountability and bold thinking and how are we going to do that there's kind of this five-pronged approach that we've developed as our

[60:00] proposed approach for updating the action plan and most of what i'll speak to is intended to be the approach for engineering action items however please keep in mind that the action plan will be a comprehensive plan including action items in the areas of education enforcement and evaluation as well for the first point you know we recognize that the safe streets report only sets the foundation so there are some additional data needs required to be able to more systematically and holistically assess crash trends and the second thing we want to do is to really just determine our approach and the resources required to conduct those additional crash analyses the second point is to evaluate effectiveness we want to assess the effectiveness of previously deployed countermeasures and that will tell us you know where how and to what extent tools are implemented

[61:01] um and and really allow us to take away the ones that aren't working so well and put out more of the ones that are working well next we want the action plan to prioritize projects and we want to develop an equity index to help us make informed non-biased decisions regarding project selection and resource allocation we want to be able to rank identified projects and counter measures relative to the crash frequency and severity equity and the ability of the project to achieve vision zero and other transportation master plan goals the fourth thing is to estimate costs we want to be able to run implementation scenarios based on different funding and staff resources we want to be able to highlight deficiencies in our vision zero funding and we want to identify projects that are best suited for grant funding opportunities uh that is those that staff feel will

[62:01] score well against grant uh selection criteria and be of sustain substantial enough value to make going through the grant application selection and administrative processes worthwhile we also want to be strategic about the grants we pursue uh relative to the urgency of the need for implementing the project finally we want to eliminate redundancies we really want to be able to make the action items streamlined and delineated across focus areas and we think that this will help us simplify our work planning and enhance our ability to track progress so again the work does not stop with just the safe streets report and the vision zero action plan update there are many exciting projects these next two years that were derived from and align with the prior vision zero action plan and again the projects that i'm going to highlight are focused on continuing to

[63:01] address our areas of concern and the last thing to note is that many of the highlighted projects are grant funded and while we strive for immediate action uh grant funding can take time so this map is a map of the highlighted locations with planned improvements in 2022 and 2023 and these are primarily the same projects that were highlighted as upcoming projects within the draft safe streets report and as noted in your packet these selected projects tied to the action items in the prior vision zero action plan and are geared toward continuing to address crashes in our top areas of concern the map reflects the current phase each project is in this year the safer signals dr cog rto and t h-sip and other signal improvements are shown with a combination of both dots and specific intersection excuse me

[64:02] both dots at specific intersections and lines showing the limits of corridors where signal improvements are planned again we were very fortunate to receive uh over three million dollars in grants to make these signal enhancements over the next few years that will serve to improve both the safety and efficiency of our signal system and just wanted to note that uh nsm key and other city-wide studies and evaluations are not shown on the map but uh hopefully this map is a way to bring the table that was in your packet more to life and to to show you the extent of work that we have planned these next couple years so now i want to walk through those projects in a little bit more detail and show how they tie to the areas of concern within the state streets report so with respect to people walking you can see that we've got

[65:01] seven projects that we feel will address this area of concern the 28th street bat lanes is currently at a 75 design with construction anticipated to start later this year uh 28th street in colorado we just kicked off the design phase of the project and construction is planned to start next year and go through early 2024. the 30th street and colorado avenue underpass and protected intersection project is currently under construction uh baseline road and canyon creek crossing upgrades will be designed this year and constructed next year same for baseline and mohawk lehigh safe routes to school construction is planned to begin soon and the cmpi grant pedestrian crossings are planned construction is planned to begin in a few months with respect to people bicycling you'll see that there are some projects that

[66:00] overlap and are anticipated to address multiple areas of concern but on this slide in terms of the projects not covered on the prior slide we find the folsom street and pine street intersection improvements which are planned to be designed this year and constructed next year and the 30th street vertically separated by clean bike lanes we recently kicked off the design phase of that project in terms of people speeding four main projects that we feel will address this area of concern we have the cmpi grant speed limit setting and signing framework project which will kick off middle of this year once funding becomes available nsnp work is of course ongoing the 20 is plenty evaluation we're aiming to provide you with an update in the next month or two on our findings from the evaluation and the v-zip evaluation

[67:02] we're expecting to come to tab in may to present that to you in terms of people making left turns we see you know six projects again mostly tied to those signal improvements uh that are planned to address people making light left turns and uh those will be designed this year and constructed next year but really all in all you can see that this is a very busy year in terms of projects both in the design and construction phases so many of our signal projects that i highlighted highlighted i just want to note that those will be designed this year and constructed next year so they'll have to continue to be patient with us for those improvements to be fully implemented so what are some next steps for the safe streets report four main things uh the report has been posted on the city website and we plan to promote that via social media

[68:02] uh we want to incorporate your feedback that you give us tonight to revise the draft before we present it to city council on february 15th that's our tentative date to meet with city council to go over this content as well and then we want to finalize the report by late february or early march we want to use that final report as a springboard into updating the vision zero action plan and there's some early action items that we're undertaking now uh to get us set up for success the remainder of this year we really are collaborating and we want to talk with our colleagues in industry both in public and private sectors and understand how other agencies have undertaken plans of this scale and magnitude and we want to get our scope of work drafted and identify the resource needs for this year and we want to continue to refine our

[69:00] approach and keep advancing the project and then of course we want to keep you informed along the way so we have two questions for you tonight what feedback does tab have regarding the draft c streets report fourth edition 2022 and what feedback does tab have regarding the proposed approach for completing the vision zero action plan in 2022 and tila that concludes my presentation thank you devon nice use of the slideshow um i'm going to add in a third question or preliminary question just if uh any members of tab have clarifying questions first before we start giving devon and other staff feedback this would be a good time to ask if you had any things that were unclear about the presentation the approach or the draft that you wanted to ask does anyone have any questions first before we start giving feedback mark's raising his eyebrows so he might

[70:01] have a question but i'm just struggling to determine i have a list of questions and are they clarifying questions or are they feedback i think they're probably more part of your feedback so it was really you know was there something that that devin said that was really kind of dangling like oh i need to chase up on that um that was going to get in the way of providing substantive feedback so it doesn't look like anyone does i do i do just okay let's go ahead quickly the crash location stuff has has intrigued me and i think i asked a related clarifying uh question last time which is uh of course we're in the context of vision zero so you know no severe crashes are good but i don't have the background to say whether these numbers of severe crashes in this many miles of this sort of road is is good or bad or this or that do you

[71:00] and and this isn't something that has to be in the report but i know that question comes up to me i i just i'm not calibrated on whether this is good bad and different average whatever whatever yeah that's a very good observation hutch and that is something that the the action plan will dive into in a little bit more detail um again the safe streets report really just kind of provides the high level uh summary or trend comparisons uh between three year periods and really within the vision zero action plan and the more detailed analyses we plan to do that's where we'll dive into you know is is this number of crashes more than would be expected at a particular location and if so what do we do about it great thanks eli do you have a clarifying question go for it ryan devin thanks a very very attractive report um i guess just i want

[72:00] to make sure i got this right um i my impression is from um your presentation that uh both today and i think i've kind of in the past gotten this impression that the um vision zero plan the plan forward is is really based on observed crashes that have happened and and it's not and there's there's not a part of it that's like looking at the probabilistic what we would expect looking using some first principles to say well because these conditions exist inherently in this place or that place this is this is a you know some area that needs mitigation it's really just based it's just a function of um historical crash date do i do i have that am i anywhere close uh i i would say ryan honestly you you are uh slightly slightly incorrect um so boulder is fortunate in that uh largely from the work of the prior

[73:02] safe streets report we were able to address many of the locations with known and identified crash issues and those are the locations where we you know reactively installed something to address the crashes at a location and we are now at the point where we don't necessarily have um locations i guess to hutch's earlier point where we see really a pattern or higher than expected numbers of crashes so we are moving into a much more proactive approach whereby we are going to do some of those things that you mentioned we will look at you know different features of the roadway and different things that may lead to future crashes and then proactively deploy a strategy to address them hopefully before they happen

[74:00] and are those principles either summarized here that i've missed or or summarizable or is it just like no this is super super um i think some of that content was contained in the memo we we did refer to what's uh known in the industry as the the safe systems approach and really an approach that brings together a number of factors all working in unison um to really provide redundancy and effectiveness across the system um to provide you know a safety net in case people make mistakes because they will and uh you know we want our system to be designed in a way such that when mistakes are made the system has a way of kind of being forgiving and addressing that such that people may not be injured severely or lose their life and i think we also spoke to it to a certain extent in the memo where

[75:00] you know we certainly within the action plan want to take a closer look at the causal factors related to some of the crashes and and tie those to the the geometry and other conditions experienced where the crash occurred okay thanks um several of us were around thanks devin for that for moving us to the other format um several of us were around for the last safe streets report um that is where the existing and current um vision zero action plan is it's a 50 item list so it wasn't entirely clear in the materials and ryan i'm not sure if you uh if you found it when you were kind of going through the existing stuff but that's what the existing plan is that they're going to update it sounds like taking a very different approach in this next iteration which is probably a good good step um but i would

[76:00] because some of us have been through this before i kind of want to start with feedback from the the more senior members of tab um about the this new approach um this this iteration of the safe streets report so alex or mark i would invite you to go first um with any feedback that you have for for the team and then i'll circle back to ryan and hutch and i'll go last alex go ahead sure thanks for the presentation uh dev and this is one of my favorite things that the city produces i think it's really cost effective and looking at the system as a whole allows us to detect things like the severity and impact of the left ones that we see throughout our community it identifies things like one of my favorite stats sixty-five percent of our crash is happening on six percent of our streets gives us pretty clear direction on where to focus our my time and i think our resources and it's it's looking at those 16 percent of our streets so i think you've done a fantastic job carrying the torch on what i guess is

[77:00] the fourth iteration of this of this project i think as we look forward to the action plan and it's unclear if we're gonna look at really site-specific areas um but i would i would like us to i think one thing that the previous iteration of this did was really relied on innovation and some unproven strategies at the site specific levels and i would like to see us turn to existing best practices from locally or elsewhere that are based in research and not these innovative and educational components or there are a lot of like untried signalization strategies in alaska around especially with treating right turns so high level feedback is is really just when we when we do the action plan the site specific stuff

[78:00] let's not try to outsmart everything that's been done elsewhere and let's just turn to what's been done elsewhere and working and try to implement that here thanks mark do you have any input um i do the first is i i really appreciate uh this this version of the report i find it clear uh friendly uh understandable and um so a kind of a model for what we could you know if someone from the public or from council picked that up and started to read it i think they would be able to glean a lot of information with ease from it so i'm appreciative of that i think it's much better than the than the version that was presented just a couple months ago um it in fact it's so informative that it's

[79:01] like it raised some kind of big questions for me and not in a negative way but just um is vision zero so first question is vision zero a line item in our budget or is it a sub wine item of many line items in our budget or is it not there at all because it's so integrated into each of the things that we do it's it you know anyway that's my question i think within transportation operations we do have a line item that is i would say geared toward vision zero uh but then as you reference there are many projects and programs that have a vision zero aspect to them that are all linked together under you know separate budgets and i see garrett his is come on garrett

[80:00] do you want to chime in yeah garrett slater principal transportation projects engineer and i just wanted to uh add in addition to uh devin's remarks that we have line items within the capital improvement program specifically identified for vision zero enhancements and implementation and uh furthermore uh to i guess to respond directly to your your comment mark i would say that each and every one of our capital projects endeavors to uh integrate division zero into what we're doing such that it's um it's it's sort of just uh uh uh occurring organically and not uh sort of a bolt-on effort but it's it's integral to the work that's taking place that that's the answer i was kind of hoping for on on one hand that's what i hoped for on the other hand uh you know it's always nice to be able to say hey we spent this much money on this activity but yeah if if we're doing things right then

[81:00] um it should be in a portion of every everything we do um i just have a couple quick questions on the table on a couple items on the table that uh interested me and that was the um base the baseline and canyon creek pedestrian signal where we're uh we will be removing the um uh the yellow flashing beacons and we will be replacing it with a pedestrian signal i'm curious if you can uh describe that a little bit or point to another location where we have a strictly pedestrian uh signal um and um yeah so anyway and what determined that at that location we were going to get rid of the rrfbs

[82:05] sure uh so i think i think it is noted on the maps within the safe streets report but we've known that the rrfb at baseline and canyon creek there has been a severe crashed trend that presented itself at that location and it was attributed to um to some extent i would say to the way the rrfp operates and you know perhaps from both parties the entering pedestrian or cyclists as well as the motorists um kind of this inability to work together if you will that there was sort of this failure to yield or failure to understand and react to the rrfb indications and that resulted in severe crashes so the the way to mitigate that that we decided was to apply for the grant to

[83:00] allow us to build a full traffic signal to facilitate pedestrian crossings across baseline in that location and the the signal will be located a little bit to the east of where the current rfb is located but an example you know of a full pedestrian signal that i can think of that came to mind right away was along arapahoe uh just to the west of 22nd street um there at the naropa campus that is a full pedestrian signal kind of located mid-block intended to serve pedestrian crossings and how does that sort of crossing treatment compare in cost to an rrfb uh a a well yeah an rfb equipped uh crossing um you know garrett might be more in tune with the costs than me but i i believe it's

[84:01] around probably two or three times the cost of an rrfb and i i can't recall off the top of my head what the amount of the grant was that we were awarded uh to complete that work there i can say that the total project cost that the baseline canyon creek is in the quarter million range and and so an rfb as devon noted would typically be about a third of that amount okay all right last um last question this kind of goes back to my budget question um and in looking at the report uh you guys had uh noted projects that were built in 2020 through 2020 and 2021 and that was a nice group of projects um in 2019

[85:00] uh the department was awarded um 700 approximately 700 000 as a one-time vision zero grant back in uh may and uh the allocation of that those that one time seven hundred thousand dollar grant which came from uh council uh to us because they killed an entirely unrelated project and they uh the doors on the east side of the city building anyway um uh staff came to uh tab and uh with a proposed allocation tab provided some feedback and that that was the end of it um sort of anyway uh my question is is how did we spend that seven that one time 700 000 uh grant from council

[86:01] and devon i know this is before your time but these are it might have been projects that were constructed during their time but i'm sure garrett might be able to help out with this i i'll chime in here um mark i think we we can provide that information i don't have it off the top of my head and i'm not sure that the team does um i know a few pots that we spent that which projects we spent that on but i don't have the total number but we can get that and send it to you that'd be great thank you very much i'm done thank you can you send that to the whole board please thanks thanks alex thanks mark uh brian do you have any feedback on these items thanks tila um a couple just a couple questions um devin first um okay so

[87:00] i am thinking about the school system bbsd has they have a safe routes to school program it's a publicly sponsored overseeing initiative and i don't know of any other uh programs like that so it seems like that really stands out as a kind of a you know non-transportation department safe routes um initiative do i have that correct or like that it kind of stands on its own like that are there other programs like that for this under with the city um i think that's generally correct i mean we do have a program that looks at missing sidewalk links as well trying to make those connections where necessary and garrett i saw you you unmuted did you have something to add as well right i wanted to note that the safe routes to school program is actually made possible by the colorado department of transportation or cdot it prior to that was a federal program but

[88:00] those funds were eliminated and the state saw value and continuing and then have outlined that as a budget item uh over the last five or six years and so communities and school districts are able to compete for the safe roster school grants the school district does have a safe routes to school coordinator with which and who with whom we coordinate on the applications that the city carries forward for implementation and so i guess specifically to your question about there being similar opportunities out there in terms of grants the highway safety improvement program that is funding a number of these um the the vision zero enhancements as well as the um the the safer main streets uh opportunities and revitalizing main streets uh opportunities that the state has provided is another example of that and then there's also another

[89:00] program the state has called transportation alternative programs that are all uh geared toward improving bicycle and pedestrian safety got it okay thanks so thank you for that and that was kind of a lead up to my the direct question which is i was thinking that as far as existing local initiatives for under the city or the or the county that this bvsd is really one of the the big ones is there anything in this is is there any coordination or engagement you know with the district through that program with respect to um what what what their needs are what they're seeing or i don't know any any coordination that's worth mentioning or is it are they is that separate from this i i would say we have um you know regular coordination with bbsd transportation operations staff and planning staff does have a regular standing meeting uh with pvsd representatives wherein we go over you know identified issues within the

[90:00] district related to transportation okay so it showed that's the way that it shows up is more of a sort of integrated organic okay thanks for that my one other question is um top of mind now because it's winter time and um snowy and icy out but um when i look at the uh [Music] framework here thinking you know just top of mind is um is is snow and ice removal and and um anyway i'm just curious from like a priority standpoint how important is the is opera winter operations um of snow and ice removal uh to this is is this is this for safe streets i mean is it sort of like feature pretty high on the list for you or is that kind of a i don't know it just doesn't as far as crash you know actual crashes and um what you'd expect is to be an issue um you know i think it is something we look at when we get into the causal factors and certainly if we saw a pattern emerging at an intersection that

[91:01] could be attributed to snow and ice and either frequent spinouts or an inability to start up or you know things of that nature i mean the hill at broadway near linden i think is one example where we've made some changes uh there during snow and ice events uh that signal at lyndon i think is put into uh flash and it flashes yellow on broadway and red on linden and that was a change that was made to allow uh south boundaries on broadway you know they don't have to stop at the signal they're coming down the hill um so there that is something that i would say is considered although probably somewhat indirectly uh only in the way that we would look at a crash pattern and attribute it to snow and ice in some way okay and that would be engineering and looking at the four e's is is as operate it's not nice removable operations that's engineering is that where that

[92:00] goes you know that that might honestly fall um somewhat outside of the four e's i think there's another category sometimes in vision zero plans that's referred to as programmatic and i think that that would be you know something of how we structure our programs and and run them and fund them um in the most efficient way possible okay okay yeah thanks thanks for that devin and um garrett i don't have anything else other than to say um i know there's a topic that mark um has talked about in the summer time um i'm glad that he has and for now for me it's top of mind but just to say that it does seem like from a probabilistic standpoint that um yeah stone ice removal is pretty pretty important for this um i'm sure there's not any um high profile you know recent crashes to talk about but gosh it's sure slick out there so um yeah and i will say that certainly with the vision zero innovation program and i know um you know with any design that we look at for projects we do have close

[93:01] coordination with our transportation maintenance team as well as our fire department to ensure that the design is not um you know getting in the way of what they need to do that area okay thank you we are running a little behind hutch i want to give you a chance to give some feedback nope we'll move along are you having trouble on the okay we'll move along i have very little feedback um but i do have some um as i mentioned i'm discerning that um you're gonna kind of start fresh with fresh eyes on the vision zero action plan and i think that's good i think um we did the best we could with what limited time we had what resources we had last time it ended up being a bit of a laundry list i think we cut it down from 55 sort of wish list items down to 50. um but definitely with you know a few years of seeing how that works in practice i'm excited to see what the what the new um action plan might look like

[94:02] um one thing that uh sort of raised some antenna for me on the plans for the vision zero action plan was to include an estimated cost section um and i believe in the memo you described that that was sort of to make sure that we're pursuing adequate funding um i know that every year we don't have enough money to do everything we want you know if the fairy godmother came in and gave us all the all the money in the entire city budget we still wouldn't be able to fund everything on the vision zero action plan uh but at the same time i'm a little concerned about letting you know big ticket items displace high high value lower cost more efficient items so i'm just cautious and i'll wait to see and i'll hold my you know real fire for when we see what the what the draft looks like but just just have some caution about um how we're approaching estimated costs and it might just be very vague you know like one out of five dollar signs or something for you know something's going to be an order of magnitude more expensive than some other

[95:00] treatment but would caution us to not spend too much time and effort trying to quantify that um it's similar to the 2019 report there was an economic impact of crash's graphic in this draft which i always try to point out i think that that's not a subject that we discuss um as forthrightly as we could and should be um but every time we're talking about how much something costs we are generally leaving out how much it costs to do nothing um we have far fewer costs in this reporting period than the last period yet the total cost societal costs um of of these crashes and serious injuries um is substantial it's a significant line item if we could just un get all of that money back and put it towards some of these um crash mitigation and crash avoidance efforts we would you know be coming out ahead and so in our conversations and seeking additional funding in budget and you know departmental horse trading bear in mind that the cost of doing nothing is not zero so um and i think

[96:00] that this this report makes a very good case for that a couple of specific things on the draft um the infographics on evaluating what has been done to date um looking at page nine of the draft those little um icons the pedestrian bicycle speeding left turn and impaired it's a little confusing to me what those are supposed to be conveying um i i just i didn't find them very helpful because i kind of looked at this for a while and i still i'm not sure what that's supposed to be telling me um it's certainly not helping me prioritize or make much sense and then some of these line items have nothing on them there must have been a pedestrian or something i don't really understand what those graphics are doing in general i was a little disappointed at how dense uh the text was on some of these pages i do think i'm you know i like looking at the stuff i like reading it uh i find it very interesting but to

[97:01] the average person and perhaps to the average city council member it might be a little too much information i think that the pages like pages 14 and 15 um the maps are a little small but in general the clarity of the graphics are pretty good um and pretty self-explanatory and we could definitely do some work um it's not on the same scale at all as what i was critiquing the um the amps um memo on but there are a number of places like on page 1415 the all the text in the yellow that can really get simplified and cut down um if there's time and if you're interested i would love to get a copy a paper copy and i'm happy to mark this up and live has seen me do this before and probably will tell you don't let her do that if if there's interest in having me you know suggest places to slash and cut i'm usually pretty good at editing and i would be happy to give this a shot and i could get it to you within a week i think um so i just want to put that out there just do let me know if you would like

[98:00] any you know more specific impact on our input on that and i think the last thing that i wanted to say was of substance um i liked how you changed the treatment on uh people ages 65 and older in general some of this extra verbiage is to um adjust to sort of industry practices about non-weighted and non-ableist language i think you've done a fantastic job in general at sort of making this very current and expressive and um um even-handed um the one place that i as i said of substance is on top of page 26 and 27 the other areas of concern the only thing that jumped out at me was the top sentence that says other areas of concern are largely addressed through specific education efforts and that raised question for me because this is supposed to be just the data this is just the facts ma'am and this document's not supposed to be saying here are the appropriate

[99:00] mitigation measures um in general i'm much bigger i'm a much bigger fan of engineering first enforcement second education way last i mean especially when the people ages 15 to 19 and people ages 20 to 29 those are all still students like we're actively educating them they're still in the education system so i i would just hesitate concluding that education is the best way to mitigate these i would say i would rephrase this particular page um and identifying these areas of concern as to say that these are areas where certain identifiable segments of the population are still over represented in severe crashes or you know they're they're bearing an un um the the the risk is unfairly distributed onto them as as evidenced by the crash something along those lines i did not say that very clearly do a better job than i just did um but that was the other page that really jumped out at me like whoa gotta be careful here um i like the treatment of the other vision zero objectives at

[100:00] the end um yeah and in general i think it's pretty great it was uh like i said a little text heavy um and i look forward to seeing how this informs the action plan but so far really really great job and i think that's all i have for you thank you anything else tab excellent okay we will move along then we are a little behind but not too bad thanks devin and team for all this work um i agree with alex it's one of my it's just one of the more interesting things that comes out of the transportation department and good just good to see okay we're going to carry on then uh we are now at item seven on the agenda uh staff briefing tab feedback on 30th in colorado can everyone see my screen yes sir

[101:03] hi tab my name is ryan knowles i'm a senior transportation planner here at the city of boulder and this evening i'm just going to highlight uh two projects that we recently kicked off and um their relationship to the 30th and colorado corridor study which we have been implementing over the past several years so um really again we are focusing on implementing the recommendations from the 30th and colorado corridor study and so the two projects we recently kicked off in december of uh last year i should say is uh 28th street in colorado avenue intersection which you can see is the star in the intersection on the map to the right and then the 30th street corridor improvements so the line just south of arapahoe heading all the way down to the

[102:00] 30th and colorado underpass and protected intersection and we recently completed the colorado avenue and region drive project with the race protected bike lane and multi-use path to the west of the intersection at 28th and colorado and are under construction on the 30th street in colorado avenue intersection and underpass and so the purpose of all these projects is really to increase multimodal safety and so all the projects include raised protected bike lanes at intersections for the 28th and colorado protected intersection and projects on colorado avenue we're including business access and transit lanes and then throughout the corridor we're focusing on enhancing pedestrian infrastructure so in addition to the two projects we just kicked off we have uh another project uh at third thirty or

[103:02] just east of 33rd street and colorado avenue which is going to be uh funded through a cmpi grant from dr cog and that will be an enhanced pedestrian crossing so just to recap on the 30th in colorado corridor study so uh this study was completed in 2018 and accepted by city council in 2019 it was a very uh thorough uh process that we went through to develop the study which ultimately we're pulling these projects from and implementing systematically in the corridors and it was an involved level engagement as identified in our strategic engagement framework and what that means is really we worked hand in glove with the community to develop options we had a community working group that met regularly through the process and we really worked to assess and refine

[104:00] the options that the community consultants tab and city staff created to then develop the alternatives which are informing the projects that we are applying for grants for and implementing through the the two corridors so just to put a little bit of a finer point on that for example on a colorado avenue you can see the alternatives that we assessed through the study before you and so ultimately through our evaluation and analysis of the options and with the community engagement process we landed on option number one which really is the uh the alternative that we are moving forward with along colorado avenue so there's a variation of what you see in the uh the top right section

[105:00] on the right-hand side of the slide on uh the south side of colorado avenue between regent and 20th today and that's really what we're focusing on building between 30th and 28th uh in the future and as part of this 28th street and colorado avenue intersection project we just kicked off and so that intersection project [Music] will look like this so this is an updated graphic based on the alternative that was designed um at the conceptual level through uh through the 30th and colorado corridor study and you can see that we've updated the alignment of the colorado regent in the yellow at the bottom of the graphic but again really focusing on building raised protected bike lanes a protected intersection for cyclists and pedestrians the the bat lanes for transit um

[106:00] going east and westbound and then uh left turn lanes at the uh at the intersection turning left onto us 36 southbound and really the purpose of adding a lane there is to make the the entire intersection more efficient for all phases which would include the bike and pedestrian phases the other project that we recently kicked off was the 30th street corridor improvements we've also been referring to this project as the 30th street bike liens project and so again this is one we picked directly from that 30th and colorado corridor study and again through the engagement process we evaluated a number of alternatives with a community working group and our stakeholders the public and ultimately landed on a combination of options 5a and option 3 which is a race protected bike lanes

[107:02] with uh with a landscaping element and so the design that we are taking to further engineering and and design is a variation on what you see before you so this is evolving there are some challenges with uh the alignment through scott carpenter park and so we are working on uh the uh the engineering side of that uh but again really that that uh alternative that we developed through the process is what what's informing what we are building and so again raised and protected bike lanes we are also looking at raised crosswalks where feasible across driveways and minor streets which is something that the study recommended and we will also be looking at a speed limit evaluation for 30th street and that would be a lower lowering of

[108:01] the speed limit so just a quick overview of the budget for these two projects uh so again we've been very successful in securing uh federal and state grants for these projects and so you can see the majority for the 28th street and colorado avenue intersection as well as the 38th street corridor improvements is coming from external sources in the city is participating significantly but uh but we're really able to leverage our local funds to build larger projects with the federal and state funding that we've secured so for community engagement moving forward because the colorado 30th and colorado corridor study was an involved level of engagement to develop the conceptual designs through the refinement of those designs

[109:00] we're going to operate at the inform level of the engage engagement strategic framework which means that we will make decisions uh based on technical analysis and we'll communicate those decisions with our stakeholders with tab with the community and and discuss why we've arrived at those decisions as needed uh we are planning on coming to tab three times including tonight um so in addition to this evening we will return uh in the middle of the design process and then a third presentation before the cdot concurrence stage which would be in the fall of this year and so at all three uh briefings we're asking you for your feedback and guidance and then uh we will also hold a public information session where we can explain the projects and uh

[110:03] and where they're coming from and how we're moving forward with the community and answer any questions they may have and then we'll be doing some targeted stakeholder engagement as well as including information about the projects online through project web pages and the city's website so the timeline for these two projects um again so kick these off at the beginning of december of last year and uh after this evening we will [Music] be doing our engagement process which will include speaking with community cycles and other stakeholders as well as having that public information session we will return to tab in the summer of this year and then in fall we will also return to tab which i did not include on this uh this uh little dot here so sorry about that but we will return to tab in the fall before finalizing the design and

[111:01] receiving concurrence from cdot with the goal of construction in 2023 and i uh take any questions or feedback that you have thank you ryan let's see if i can see more people this tab do you have any feedback it's like the race for the unmute button but she already oh hutch went on mute so he's got nothing alex do you have any feedback sure thanks fred this is exciting to see something that has been through a lot of process and i think as well grounded in best practices to be coming to our streets relatively soon it looks like 20 23 if we if we stick to the schedule so that's a much

[112:00] faster rate of implementation i think most of us are are used to it's also good seeing that while this project these this combination of projects totals nine million only two of its local and in part that was made possible by giving back 3.3 million for the table mesa overpass which would have addressed things wrong a couple months of transportation on one side of the street over a couple hundred feet whereas this is a few thousands linear feet of improvements and so i think this is a great use of of our of our local dollars and really uh taking advantage of the grant opportunities um i don't have a whole lot of feedback one understanding that the figures developed for the 30th and colorado corridor studies were conceptual as we refine the design one suggestion i have pertains to the application of pavement markings on the roadway to communicate where buses are allowed and where cars are allowed

[113:00] i think i've done some review of some projects all over the country and it seems like cities take very different approaches with this and what i would suggest is that anywhere that we're a car is perfectly allowed to be so for example a right turn lane we have no red paint and that way it's really communicated to a driver that that's an acceptable place and then maybe along a stretch of roadway where there's um there are no conflicts or places where no access points are a place where a car should be that's when you use solid and then places where it's acceptable i don't know if there are any maybe the um the eastbound colorado approaching 28th where we're asking a car to cross that bus lane that's where we used a dashed application um i couldn't quite pick out a consistent logic and they exist in the proposed plants i understand those were just conceptual um but what would uh what put my support behind that sort of

[114:00] approach as as refinement happens and then i think a little bit outside of the what you presented tonight but uh applicable to what the city is currently doing is i would love to see the continuation of these improvements so as we look at this upcoming tip cycle i would especially like to see the southern portion of 30th be a potential project which could then connect to maybe some pmp improvements on baseline then on 30th you get from baseline to colorado on colorado we could make some improvements and then all of wholesome between this year and maybe the upcoming year or two are going to go through the pmp improvement process it seems plausible that we could have in a in a short span of time have improvements to arterials all the way from frazier meadows shopping center to folsom and pine and really see a foundation of a north-south um and east-west network in

[115:02] here so would love to see the continuation of this excellent work through our upcoming tip cycle thanks alex who wants to go next mark good um i actually have a couple questions on the the uh the slide um the 30th and colorado corridor improvements um but they're kind of detailing and ryan i i would be happy to discuss this with you offline if we want to keep going with the meeting or i can start asking them now if if other members are interested but i don't want to bog us down with uh some of this stuff

[116:00] if it seems too detaily so i guess i would just question that you know alex has noted you know what we've been looking at is mostly conceptual we're not a design but if there's like big picture design don't forget this group of people kind of saying feedback i think that's perfectly fine to air right now that's that's what we're supposed to be doing at the tab meeting um okay so i'm looking at the entrances and access to scott carpenter park and the cu research labs and marine street and um uh i'm wondering about vehicle counts going in and out of of all of those um i i i am in favor of it's just it's a there are other areas in the in the city where we've done where we've treated these sorts of intersections very differently um and and i i actually like what i'm seeing here i i think um

[117:01] the entrance into scott carpenter the in the top center uh is that the is am i missing an entrance or what am i seeing to the south of that center entrance there what i'm not sure i understand that so the uh this entrance here yeah is the uh so it's an it's an entry in and exit out over here okay so i don't know i don't think we have even touched that topic yet if we would be changing that condition or not that would be something i think we would need to talk to parks and rec about um but yeah yeah so this is a this is basically a you enter here and then you exit over here these would be newly constructed entrance and exit different from what what is there today so the alignments would

[118:00] they would align with what is there today but the driveway aprons would be reconstructed okay all right you know i i uh i'm going to get into turn radiuses and vehicle counts and stuff i'm just going to take it offline i would like to talk to you at another time about that okay all right thanks mark is that it okay great um i just had one [Music] bit of feedback um and it was just about the same place that mark was looking at i was it's it has struck me we haven't had serious flood events uh too badly in the last couple of springs but it is a not infrequent occurrence that a good portion of the spring with uh as a you know runoff occurs that this bike path that boulder creek bike path that runs underneath 30th street here regularly gets flooded and this intersection or this this

[119:01] underpass under 30th street is one of the ones that gets flooded the worst and stays flooded the longest uh you know we have um you know gates that direct cyclists usually to the surface but this particular surface crossing is not supposed to be a surface crossing um cyclists are directed to go very far out of their way over to arapahoe avenue and use the signal across almost never do they they kind of play frogger crossing that and that is not something that's going to go away so i am i'm not seeing anything in these conceptual designs i'm hoping it's not too late to address this class of people uh but it's regular predictable likely to recur uh and something that without more serious flood mitigation measures at the boulder creek is going to continue to happen in the future and i believe as part of this project we should be incorporating some sort of crossing mechanism for the cyclists who are diverted sometimes for a month or more um in the spring off of one of the busiest if not the busiest

[120:01] multi-use path in the city that's that's the only real big gap that i saw in these plans that i wanted to raise right now i hope it's not too late as i say we've just kicked it off so it's still something that we can discuss okay any other feedback tab i was also impressed i'm i was wondering how naive i was but i was also thinking gosh this is really fast so uh echo what alex said that was really impressive i'm i'm going to be happy to see it happen so quickly let's make it happen that quickly so just to be clear it'll start construction it will start construction that's okay you know i have something on the on the condition of the current uh construction i don't know if that's for this or maybe that's separate um that might be separate okay i'll leave it to that okay yeah all right let's move along then that

[121:00] sounds like uh all the feedback at the moment thank you ryan thanks team thank you okay and that brings us to matters from staff thank you very much um i just wanted to do a brief update to tab about our work planning efforts i'm not going to bore you with what you already know because you helped us construct our work program and that's what went into developing the budget for council originally when we had conceived of bringing this forward to tab we had anticipated that council would already have had a meeting talking about you know sort of their war planning efforts etc and the lead-up to their retreat but clearly with the fires and then with the wind storms they deferred that to a week until tomorrow i just wanted to let you know i guess three things um that may have some potential implications in terms of our work program so the first is that there

[122:00] is a new city initiative being launched on racial equity and each of the departments is being asked to develop a jedi team justice equity and diversity and inclusion and so that will take some bandwidth and effort but it's also something that i believe that tab has been very strongly interested in i don't have any specifics on that yet because um the guidance is still you know being worked through but just wanted to share that with you and as part of that it will also include and engage boards and commissions and so um there'll be work for you to do too as part of that effort so just wanted to highlight that um second thing is that you know hopefully whenever the council has its retreat tabs ask will go forward in terms of having

[123:00] developing a vmt you know a specific plan and to help reduce greenhouse gas emissions whenever we put the budget together we had already anticipated not only putting a toe into those waters or into that air but you know really doing some lean in work on it but it may require us to pivot a bit in terms of our transportation master plan update to really focus in on that efforts assuming that's where council direct directs us to third thing is that overall within the city 2022 whenever the budget was put together was envisioned as a recovery year from covid and we're not quite seeing that yet and so that's having implications not just simply because you know from an economic standpoint but it's also having implications because this most recent variant is affecting staffs substantially as it

[124:01] because of infections breakthrough infections and so that's um already we're you know just into the new year and we're feeling some of the impacts um particularly in our maintenance and operation side of things over there um so just wanted to share that with you we you know right now everything um you know we anticipate being able to achieve everything that we said we're going to achieve by leaning into it but just wanted to share those pieces of information with you so that you have situational awareness as we go forward i think today um you've actually heard about already a lot of the work plan items that we're working on um and then in the next two items um under mattersome staff you'll hear some you know some more information but this is just simply to help give you some situational awareness about where we're at if you have any questions i'd be happy to answer them thanks erica

[125:06] i am seeing satisfied faces thank you thank you okay gene sanson tila we do not have a regional transportation update item tonight and so we can go straight to the rtd item now we can go straight to the rtd item where's danny hi danny good evening let's see here pulling up i've got a presentation so are you able to see this yes okay great well thank you so um good evening danny o'connor

[126:00] here um principal transportation planner transit program manager tonight just really appreciate the opportunity to brief tab on rtd's draft system optimization plan and the potential impacts that we're tracking for transit service in boulder um you know as all of you are just well familiar having a robust and enhanced transit network is just one of the critical um elements of our past and current tmp plans and initiatives um transit plays such a critical role in our ongoing efforts for attractive convenient safe local and regional travel options reducing vmt enhancing access to educational employment opportunities advancing our climate commitment efforts ensuring those that there's travel options for vulnerable populations and supporting

[127:02] many many other mobility needs and priorities you might recall back in november when we briefed tab on the ongoing rtd service plan that's been in place since april of 2020. this current service plan is what rtd is calling its rtd coven 19 service plan which has basically resulted in about a 60 to 70 percent of pre-coveted service levels on the street across the district and you know and some of our analysis even those numbers have been even less here in our in in boulder um so rtd has um really their latest effort has been putting together this draft system optimization plan so there was a link in the email that went out um to tab with with this item in it what it does is it reflects rtd's latest efforts

[128:01] to redesign and restore services um pre-covered but with the assumption that it's only going to be 85 of 2019 service levels um and this is for the next five years starting in 2022 to 2027. um rtd's um really the genesis of putting this plan to the 85 this is really dependent upon where they are with their projected budget availability their labor availability and it's you know their effort to to basically begin the restoration process for everything that was uh reduced with the covet service plan but it isn't a full uh restoration as obvious we're in the process of doing a real in-depth review of the plan they have specific plan recommendations for every route within their system

[129:00] and we're identifying these critical critical concerns to raise with rtd um review to date has though resulted in some preliminary concerns as highlighted here um you know it's it's obvious that rtd is in a contracting mode this plan will deliver less service than what rtd had in 2019 across the district as well as in boulder and so it's basically solidifying a 15 service reduction for the immediate future the next five years of 2022-2027 there are numerous routes within the district um that we're operating in 2019 that will not be restored or returned including seven routes that operate in boulder much of the focus of the plan is on delivering more efficient service with fewer service hours fewer operators and fewer routes

[130:03] as we have seen also just with covet service plan with rtd the 85 percent service threshold that they're looking at across the district will be a district average it is not guaranteed for smaller and more dis or distinct markets and geographies like boulder and as as mentioned before some of these thresholds we've seen less service than what has been advertised with their reductions when it's been 60 with initially with the covet service plan we were estimating service hours to be 56 58 here in boulder um with that um with it not being basically a an 85 percent district average um it is very likely that we will see not only less service levels and bolder than 85 but some of the hours shifting to other locations in the district

[131:00] particularly more urban areas with larger transit demand consequently some service gaps created during the covert service plan may remain and or not be fully restored and i think you know what's what's really um you know just has has our eye as we continue to track this is just from a big picture standpoint um this this draft sop that rtd has developed presents some very challenging circumstances for for us um really we're looking at a seven year period 2020 to 2027 at least of significantly reduced services and these reduced services mean fewer and less attractive mobility options and challenge our prioritized efforts for reducing vmt and ghg um just for context here um this is really kind of a table that shows the 23 routes that were operating in boulder in 2019

[132:02] um before there was before rtd implemented its coven 19 service plan uh routes on the left are regional routes uh so think of those as routes that connect in and out of boulder to um to to denver and golden places places beyond our city limits local routes are on the right right now the the preliminary plan has seven routes the routes that are in red basically identified for either a permanent discontinuation and or they will be folded into another service um just to represent this also kind of just on on a on a map um to orient you it's the same same color scheme that the darker lines are specific to the um 23 routes that run that random boulder um as of 2019 red indications and labels

[133:00] are where there could be where some service reductions specifically lines to be deleted have been identified well there are some overlapping services and opportunities for some consolidated routes you'll notice that there's some areas of concern um you know specifically around cu boulder junction east boulder um where there's quite a few regional routes that um are slated to be discontinued for next steps with this plan it is right now a draft plan in preliminary preliminary status rtd is requesting comments we're working at the staff level in the requesting us of staffs all across their district for comments on the plan we've provided some we're doing a deeper dive into the details to provide additional and we're expecting that rtd will go basically public after a touch with

[134:01] their board later this month for um basically their public input public engagement process with this it'll include virtual town halls they're preparing an online mapping and engagement tool really to try to help to get the information out specific to these routes rtv will look to refine the plan later in february march with its board to approve it in march and then um the first phase of these changes to be coming in may i think you know just the significance of this this plan um really when we're thinking about this this is you know a five-year service plan for rtd where we could start to see those changes effective may 1. just on our end next steps for boulder um as mentioned you know we're we've been tracking this since we saw this and met with rtd in december uh putting preliminary comments to them

[135:00] um before this before they begin their public um their formal public engagement process we will as as we've done before uh work through our communications department our social media channels to really publicize these public input opportunities these options there's multiple ways for people to comment on the routes uh the impacts of these routes and just the plan in general we really wanted to bring this to to you tonight just to keep you informed and get your input and feedback and and see where you can partner with us on um amplifying our messages and concerns and then we continue to really engage with uh various partners who you know are have been tracking are also concerned with what this plan means and you know the potential impacts that's everyone from council to mcc commuting solutions our rtd board rep btccu

[136:00] boulder county in our neighboring jurisdictions there will be some more time for work for the city as we typically do to provide formal comments uh that will go to the rtd board for consideration as they develop this later really so um you know as mentioned with our briefing we welcome the opportunity for some partnership from from tab on this development um you know we were thinking you know just some great ways where we could um partner and and have your support everything from um you know we will be very active on publicizing the public input opportunities what the specifics are of the routes um the impacts within the community anything that you can help through your own social media networks or other networks to help publicize that and get the word out for the input opportunities is appreciated there will be listening sessions that rtd will hold and we found these very valuable we've listened to them all of them um as as

[137:02] they've done these with service changes uh really throughout the covet period and these uh listening sessions or virtual forums um you know i think what's been so important to me just being able to participate and listen is there has been a lot of feedback uh really from from people concerned about the routes in boulder service being reduced at boulder junction flat iron flyer service uh the loss of the golden golden boulder route loss of service and gun barrel and you know very vocal many many people who have come through on those avenues we're counting on them to come through again and it's just a really good opportunity to kind of get another year as far as what the community is concerned about and then if you do um as mentioned we sent the the plan out as a link it's a it's linked in this presentation as well if you have any specific

[138:01] route feedback or you hear it from constituents please direct that to us so that we can track it and you know make sure that that we put this in with with all of our comments and concerns as we track and and uh tracking comments on this um with that that closes my comments but you know obviously happy for um happy to take some questions and and provide additional contacts thanks danny do you have any good news oh [Laughter] well the good news um good news is we are engaged on this and you know we've been tracking it um tracking it since uh we had a meeting right with rtd right right before the holiday break um and have been diving in rtd has granted us some additional time which is helpful to really dive into the

[139:02] the routes uh determine what the impacts are from service hours and what have you and i think the other piece is um really with our jurisdictions everyone from boulder county to our neighboring jurisdictions lafayette lewisville longmont we're in continuous conversations with them really there's some i mean we have specific concerns within about the service in boulder but there's some greater ones that and you all know this i mean transit doesn't stop at a city limit um and we have uh multiple concerns that i think we're gonna you know just put together coordinate our messaging um cu is also very active at the table and and you know tracking and providing good good data so okay we're on it we're engaged um you know it's just it'll be a big public piece coming uh really later this month from rtd as as they roll this out okay um i

[140:01] clicked on the link in the email um and my computer was afraid to open it oh so uh security concerns i don't know i would ask can we have this presentation be made part of the pack at the public facing you know packet and information that's on our website and on the tab page instead of just being in an email to us um and i think you said that also in this presentation was a link i think there was a link so maybe we can access it from there but um my computer says there's security concerns let me open it yeah um my second question is uh would it be helpful if we had a public hearing tab on this i guess that's something maybe we can discuss at the agenda setting meeting next week with the team but it sounds um certainly worthy of like if tab is going to make some kind of statement we need to have a public hearing first it might be a good time to

[141:00] you know provide another public forum yeah i i think that would i mean i think that would be helpful because anything that we can do to collect comments and uh document them um and you know also just that you know we're aware we're aware when we see the comments and we hear hear of them in the public public meetings that rtd does hold but if there's more uh we definitely want to hear them okay uh any questions comments alex sure first i want to clarify is is there an 85 reduction in uh service hours system wide and then we're anticipating not 85 reduction 85 of the existing service system wide and then in bold we're going to see that i hear 56 to 58 of our existing service hours yeah um now thank you alex yeah let me let me clarify a little bit on that

[142:00] because there's a couple steps but um you're on it so in 2019 um basically when rtd implemented its um covet service plan of in april of 2020 and they put service on a saturday schedule it resulted in a 60 60 of 2019 service level um since then they have bumped that average up to about 70 percent um this plan is to ultimately put together a system that's at 85 percent so it won't be 100 of what we had pre-covered the numbers um and i've got it kind of in about the information here but when rtd went to 60 um with that initial covet service plan we tracked the hours locally and we were approximately at 56 instead of the 60. um when it went up to

[143:02] 70 we were about 68. we're gonna do the same analysis with um kind of the new service plan and routes to try to see where these routes fall in compared to that 85 threshold but what's what so when they're saying 60 or 85 it's district wide but they're not guaranteeing it for specific smaller geographies and in some cases um you know what they what they are saying too is you know this is a this is an opportunity where they're um moving moving services from different markets to larger urban markets or places where they have more demand okay i guess i've been professionally involved in a couple of these reimagining efforts most recently for the town of breckenridge who through the years kept adding service in the form of additional routes

[144:02] and then we were able to take a step back and think about how they best operate their existing how they best use their existing resources and expand the transit the the answer we landed on was consolidation of routes that fewer routes that were more frequent and had more coordinated transfers would would actually be able would be the best way to um a lost a number of routes wasn't a bad an act and and the first one of these i worked on was in houston which is the sort of first big reimagining that took off with now dozens of cities are doing this and there the the local network had always been this hub and spoke network where all the routes were focused on coming in and out of downtown if you're trying to get somewhere you took one bus into downtown and you take another bus out and by making a taking the approach of creating a grid

[145:00] of just north south and east-west routes that were more direct and more frequent overnight this network that had 10 000 stops was was totally changed and a system that was losing one to two percent ridership per year in the following year saw a 20 increase in ridership using the same resources it's because the reimagining effort was working to identify inefficiencies in the system by taking this once a generation or two uh blank sheet of paper approach to this and often services happen on a quarterly basis and it's sort of death by a thousand little tweaks to to meet this demand or that of various elected officials or concerned constituents but if you look at how the behaviors are changing the land uses are changing or where the operational inefficiencies might be there's there's an opportunity to find ways of using the same amount of resources better and through this

[146:00] this project this process by rtd this reimagining effort kicked off before covet i know they were losing ridership and had dwindling resources and some commitments they were struggling to meet but i'm curious if before cope but there were any inefficiencies identified by rtb that the city brought towards rtd or we've since identified that could allow us to use even uh whatever however many resources we were i mean how many service hours were provided but use them more efficiently than our previous system had yeah yeah that's that's a that's a really really good context and discussion alex and yeah familiar with the houston example and and what have you i i think what and i'd have to go back to memory ahead of time i mean because it did shift um you're right that i mean this reimagine was um started off pre-coveted in 2019

[147:00] um it was a look at you know we did assume that there were going to be some efficiencies with it that's what they were saying trying to best match market and supply supply and market consolidating routes and having better schedules um more streamlined service service that's easier to understand on on the street covid really impacted i think where this plan has gone because it's it's what we're now seeing yes i mean some of the tenants are um and we're going to look at it in more detail more consistent schedules uh schedules that are easier to understand you know more straighter routes consolidated routes quicker routes but it wasn't a full redesign um where they they had that opportunity um and you know i think for an example and one of them that we're really tracking and concerned about is you know with covid um

[148:01] when they implemented their covet service plan they they it basically um ended service at boulder junction and you know that's something we have asked for continuing look for um that to be um basically reinstated i mean you i mean talk about a location from a land use standpoint and all the public investment and t you know the t and tod and the tna transit center and it's we have nothing operating there and you know initial review of this plan there's only one out of three routes coming back to boulder junction and there wasn't an opportunity you know i was an opportunity like what you're talking houston could have been the um kind of a redesign around it and a lot of this is just kind of working with okay which ones can be trimmed back consolidated let's have some consistent schedules and go so

[149:02] i see erica has her hand yeah so i think your point alex um it's one thing if rtd were to take the hours that previously had been allocated within the boulder environment and say okay well we're collapsing you know these routes into this and then we'll have more re-frequent service but that's not what's happening essentially the hours that formerly were allocated to the city of boulder or within our geography are being reallocated outside of our geography so we're getting less and the net result [Music] is that in certain areas that we had built up land uses to help support transit and increase ridership we're creating almost a transit desert in this new reimagination or imagination and it will not serve the community well and it's inconsistent with not only our

[150:00] transit plan but our transportation master plan does the city have any insights or have they have you done any analysis where our input to rtpd could be some of these tweaks that apparently they're not bringing to us in this process do we have specifics that we can we can offer to them in turn yeah and if i can just jump in here you know we've we continually provide that feedback i mean that is a large part of danny's role is that continued coordination with rtd and their service planning team and so you know we have a good sense of what the community's needs are from a transit perspective and what should be delivered in the community and he's continually in conversation with rtd about that and that's been through this whole reimagine process but also just in you know quarterly service planning service changes so they definitely know what you know our desires are for the community from a transit perspective um

[151:01] and and that's you know the reality of it is that they're balancing a budget and um they're distributing resources across the district and so you get what erica just kind of summarized where the allocations are going okay thanks i might want to follow up with you danny about that if you don't mind about sort of what our ongoing historical asks have been one final question is as a result of this could we possibly redeploy the hops the some of that service that we do have some control on to fill in some of the gaps or provide something that rtd is taking away from us yeah you know alex that's an interesting thought and it's consistent with you know some of the previous work with the renewed vision for transit rtd is part of this as well the reimagine they're talking about partnerships um such as

[152:01] partnerships for other service delivery and they they point to the hop as one you know that's co-funded rtd city cu and you know they there's they're looking for potential partnership opportunities for for additional service where they're they can't provide it but maybe there's someone you know like the city that can partner in in some sort of funding agreement i think you know the trick is just you know there is a funding commitment um rtd you know they don't pay 100 on on hop um you know that there is a significant city commitment and and you know how how do we if that's somewhere where we go you know how do we navigate that okay thank you thank you anyone else questions or feedback for danny hutch you unmuted and then mark yeah just uh along the lines of what alex just suggested i've always wondered

[153:00] because i've seen this pattern in other cities uh we have some needs here that are sort of commute driven uh and there's obviously some that are schools driven that i i think are handled relatively well here uh but i i've i don't know much about it but if ibm and ball for instance two of our biggest employers with pretty structured hours you know is is that a piece of the puzzle around peak load management with frankly non-standard routes one of the things we used to do at rmi in terms of research was think about uh flexibilizing both the routes and the timing in ways that i've never seen rtd do like you know there's 10 buses in the evening doing this variety of non-standard routes and the rest of the time they're doing something else and so i don't know if they're at all open to that or whether you think that

[154:00] us leaning in on on those sort of route flexibilization things would be helpful yeah that's a really good comment hutch and i think the other thing it goes a little bit with what alex asked about you know other opportunities for supplemental service and what rtd is asking for with partnerships one thing that they're exploring you know are potential flex zones that to basically cover larger geographic areas in partnership um that they can't basically do it's inefficient or ineffective with multiple multiple buses um as they would have to schedule but more of your on-demand um flex zone pieces and they have those that's pardon part of that um development plan development they've talked to us about that potential for gun barrel with um you know a potential flex zone up there to really connect with those employers

[155:02] and with their fixed route service it's also identified for use folder just in their initial draft service plan that we see with this slp but some of that more kind of untraditional almost like uber uh you know app based on demand smaller vehicles that are hubbing out to to your larger all regional routes erica you have your hand up i think there's another dimension to this too that you know the creativity that we just talked about and having that flexibility rtd as have other transit agencies across the nation have been essentially suffering from the great resignation and so trying to get you know transit drivers etc as a whole other thing so even if we had the money we had everything else we would still have that other hurdle to overcome too

[156:07] okay anything else for danny or anyone else ryan oh i'm sorry well marcus stand up is that okay mark yeah i forgot i was caught i had called on mark um uh so i i just danny uh had asked about feedback and and i i have a very brief anecdote and that is that um on december 16th at 3 30 in the morning i got on the ab jill and i did going to the airport and luckily we got on at table mesa and broadway where we parked our car and uh by table mesa the the main park and ride at table mason 36 the bus was beyond full

[157:00] it was it was the aisle was full up to the driver and the the luggage compartments were full the um people had their luggage in the aisle it was it was a it was unsafe and uncomfortable for everyone including the driver and i to me it is points to um rtd underestimating uh the the speed with which and and the need for transit and i know i know their budget constrained their staff constrained but part of their staff constraints is the uncomfortable nature for drivers of dealing with fares um dealing with cash uh dealing with um you know overcrowded buses and um so anyway that's my my little anecdote my question is um you know the state the federal government gave the state

[158:00] money in support of transit agencies and the state uh seemed to have given that money to a portion of that money to boulder county who we obviously partner with on all sorts of things um what what is the status of those funds with the county and how are we using our relationship with the county to enhance do a better job with with the funds from the federal government during this during this period what's happening with that fed state county money pot yeah i can give a quick update on that so that's a that's a really good question um and it applies to this so um there was 34 million give or take um that was directed from the state to boulder county um that's for the ucas of boulder

[159:01] long small ucas urbanized area the formula um boulder longmont and then louisville lafayette so so it was fun funding that came in um and basically part of the federal rescue to help get transit restored and back on back going again um boulder county has taken the lead so in order in order to tap into that funding they have to um go through multiple hoops to become a direct recipient to fta so it's programmatic um you know there's by there's calls probably every two weeks that i participate in with with boulder county staff as well with fta trying to get you know next steps with these it's a timeline that could take um six to six months plus six to 12 months i mean really to go through everything that fta

[160:00] requires but that could become you know and it's been eyed as a potential to really help potentially with some of these restorations and in the near term it's the money has a five year window on it um you know but it doesn't it doesn't it won't restore everything um but it's you know it it's an opportunity to get more more out on the street okay thank you um yeah it's too bad that money that was intended you know the federal government does a lot of things that it wants to get out there right away and then it gets mired and and the money doesn't really move out as quickly as anyone had hoped um i just want to support what hutch and alex and everyone has been saying and it really comes down to uh you know what do we control what can we do and um you know how how do we uh how can we change

[161:01] our our own systems in ways that we can manage control and i i just want to um you know i support the idea of changing the hop repurposing it during different hours i i also encourage the idea of um of going to our major employers uh including google google as everyone knows in the bay area has um has their own fleets of buses and and things now google has gone pretty much virtual but i i think getting with our major employers and looking at ways to provide additional services not just to their employees but to the community in which they reside i think is is is a would be a would be a really good strategy um and finally i you know i tend to repeat myself over the years on tab and i'm going to repeat myself again

[162:02] this is an opportunity to reevaluate our subsidies for neighborhood ecopasses and again you know we we did a little working group and um i made my thoughts known about that but again we have a pool of money and and the question that we need to ask is in this moment with rtd in their situation uh with people who are um really transit dependent you know if you're if you're wealthy and you have two cars and you gotta drive to downtown denver instead of instead of taking the bus oh well you got to drive to the airport that that's okay but for people that are transit dependent that may not live in an eat in an ecopass neighborhood and have a you know some person that's going to do hundreds of hours of work for a neighborhood ecopass

[163:00] i think we need to evaluate what's the best use of our ecopass subsidies and can it be both done simply simpler more equitable at a better value with my ride cards or existing rtd products that that we can leverage so i'm just going to make a case for that again and i think this whole rtd situation gives us another impetus and another opportunity to do that thanks mark ryan i'll try to be fast i know we're we're getting laid here um danny thanks for uh coming coming back to this um on this this unfortunate news month month and month out um and i know what's under staff manage today but it really seems like one of the biggest issues that we face and um so to me it's so big that it warrants thinking about our balance sheet and um you know earlier we talked about amps

[164:01] where i think there is broad understanding that we're the city making a values decision about charging under market pricing for car driving and subsidizing activities that while they have some reason um they work against also some of our team peoples and it just makes me think about just taking a look um at when we have such need like this taking a look at what we are leaving on the table elsewhere um that's subsidizing uh activity contrary to some of the what the need is here and and making that evaluation in a way that's consistent with our current city council's values and priorities and maybe we don't know what those are yet need to ask um but any case i just wanted to make that observation that we sort of go to surplus over here and get over here and um that's that's all i have to say thanks thank you ryan thanks danny let's see what we can do

[165:02] sounds good okay all right we're gonna move along now uh matters from the board we have open board comment ryan earlier you wanted to say something about the state of uh the current construction on maybe 30th or baby colorado is it open comment worthy okay yeah i mean i don't want to just you know complain about everything but yeah on 30th i just i mean i've here's my question and i don't know brian's even with us but we could come back to it but it's just um i saw the construction the the i think to start construction date would be 2023 or i'm not sure if that was the built by or whatever but for months now i've been trying to ride east uh westbound on 30th hang north on sorry sorry i'm on colorado i'm going westbound and then to turn north on the 30th and it's just these this big

[166:00] set of orange barriers that force me on the bike and i think if i was walking i have to do it i'm not sure if i have that right but definitely on a bike it forces me way out into this lane and it's kind of an airline and it's a big intersection and it's i think it's very intimidating especially you know taking i take kids around my bike and i just sort of yeah so if that's going to be around for another year and a half plus i don't know i wonder if there's anything he didn't say for her uh so that yeah that was my thought that was the thought that you prompted me to talk about i did have one other item okay ryan you've been muted you want to answer that there is alternate routing for cyclists suggested alternate writing routing there is and uh and that's uh so the reason we have that shift in place is so that we can start actually taking the underpass um but it won't be a year and a half i think garrett do you recall the time frame for the end of construction on the 30th colorado underpass we are scheduled to wrap up construction

[167:00] by the end of this calendar year and i think the current traffic configuration for the current phase of construction work is slated to be in place through march okay okay ryan you had one other thing while you're still here okay so just on the winter winter a snow and ice um subject for cyclists um so i've been experimenting uh i think i'm down to maybe the only parent school still showing up on a bike um last week was you know pretty harsh if you weren't ready for it but um you know i just i was i'm really grateful first of all for the the operations in the team that does all the work to get out there and get those things plowed um and it's you know it's really special and so i guess that's the positive side on the negative side is i'm actually a little bit surprised that we don't have i mean we've got such a great uh engineering uh infrastructure um but we we don't have as many people out

[168:01] there as i'd ex as i might expect and i i probably think that it's you know because what happens is we some cases do you know pretty much close to 100 job the morning of but then the street cleaning snap planning team comes along they push that back to 80 80 or 90 percent and then um and then a few days later then we get you know the thought freeze stop freezing we get these these um just persistent you know really slick spots that make people just kind of in the same way that they make decisions about not wanting to get too exposed to cars it kind of you know it just it doesn't seem right out there and i just i don't even know that i have a specific question but i guess i'm just sort of wondering in an ongoing way how does how are we doing on this and you clear the bikeways and then the street the street uh operations come along and then mess it up is that something that we i guess is a known issue um that that we're working against and then i guess more generally i don't

[169:00] know if there's any thoughts on this but um i don't i don't want to put folks on the spot but those are just things on my mind so comment or don't that's fine someone else is that this past serious storms was a little bit um it was a little bit more unique and so we didn't have as many staff out on the roads here in boulder and the reason why is that we are helping our neighbors in superior as the fires were you know essentially starting continuing to rage emergency personnel needed to be able to access areas to put out the fires in both louisville and superior and so in superior all their snow treatment and renew removal equipment was basically obliterated through the fires so we were out helping our neighbors um as well as trying to help ourselves i left

[170:00] things less than perfect um and then another snowstorm hit and came we're trying to do better but as i've mentioned earlier we've had you know folks out with covet also so we're trying to do our best with the resources that we have [Music] as we had shared earlier when we went through the [Music] snow you know removal plan with you and then with council we don't have enough you know staff to be able to go through and do everything and have it perfect so we rely on the sun quite a bit but whenever we do have the situations that are talking about we do try to go back and re-plow and get that out of the bike lanes and basically slash it back and forth okay thanks america and that's it for me thank you okay thanks anyone else

[171:01] hi hutch well i i thought i should say something because next month will be my last tab meeting as a tab member i know so uh get your digs in in the next 30 days or 28 days or whatever it is you know i guess it's february uh uh i think you don't get replaced you you might still be on the hook in march i have to say my friends well in that case you have more time to get your date yeah usually appointments happen uh later on in the second half of march and usually our meeting our march meeting is usually just before the appointment so it's timely i'm not rushing to leave or anything but i just thought i would i would bring that up in case anybody has anything they want to to uh lean on me about whether me helping with something or are you saying you're sick of me or whatever so we put um digs on a hutch in the agenda tracker

[172:03] i will say one thing that hutch has put on the agenda well not in the agenda but has asked for that still hasn't happened is like a get-together in beers that was i think that was hutch's idea a gazillion years ago can we see each other in person because hutch has his entire service has been during the pandemic and virtual this is true yeah all right anyone else open board comment you are refreshingly quiet [Laughter] all right let's move along then to um future agenda topics um for those of you who've been spying on your email during the meeting you'll see that mark has emailed his current sort of tracker table of proposed possible future agenda topics um

[173:02] i think there's been a remarkable effort by mark to make sure that things are on there but i by no means is a complete list of what's upcoming and what we expect to happen and that's kind of part of the delicate nature of this um mark do you want us to walk through them does anyone have something to add what's what's the thinking here you'll have to unmute though because otherwise i'm still wondering what you're thinking okay all right now i can now there you go my thinking is that uh we would do ourselves a favor by uh as quickly as possible running through those items and with the responsible parties to say

[174:00] yeah it's still it's still a future agenda topic and we're going to get to it we think it's going to be june or or make a case you know what get rid of that it's it's outdated it's it's not relevant any longer or what do you mean by that oh that sounds great oh that sounds dumb but let's get let's get to it do you want me to do that if you or do you want to do that uh why don't you run through you're in charge of this part okay so um item number one broadway and rayleigh lessons learned started in may of last year and uh it seemed to be an item that staff was willing to do i had offered and expressed an interest in participating and um it has yet to happen so i'm looking for some feedback from staff on whether or

[175:01] not this will ever happen and uh if so when or should we remove it from the list because it's not going to happen natalie oh erica eric and natalie we're kind of interchangeable um so i think currently it was scheduled you know i was talking down the earlier um doing a debrief not only broadway really but amongst you know there are a number of other projects that tab has had um thoughts about etc and so um originally we had that scheduled for uh march but we'd like to move it for on to february because it's lighter and we really do want to share with you what our learnings were as we went through not only just broadway rally but a number of other projects and so it was on a list of things that i had identified for follow-up for us

[176:00] okay great thank you so what what was the expected conclusion february next day next month next month okay okay okay that was four minutes and these are 11 of these and i don't want four minutes each okay presentation same question um same question in terms of that so that the guy the guidance that i've gotten is what i'd shared with you all earlier that the city is going is launching a new initiative um for racial equity and wants to have it consistent across all the boards and commissions i don't know when and what that looks like yet so we either we either take off clay fong or we rename it or something and mark's urging on this i just decided to watch a recording of the presentation myself and i would encourage other tab members that are interested to do that

[177:00] and we can discuss it if we want to later but there are recordings available online of it thank you alex okay i'm going to note that as will remove and uh provide link okay cool okay um item three the millennium uh there was a little confusion about that because i didn't really say it was it is um that uh council has requested tab input in regard to the redevelopment into housing of the millennium harvest house site council didn't put a date on it i'm sure uh planning board is involved in this as well but i i didn't i wanted to put it on this so that we could

[178:00] uh make sure it didn't uh slip away and uh in that tab would have an opportunity in the future to uh comment on uh on the millennium uh design okay it sounds like that just stays as it is then unless staff has some uh some date that they know certain or whatever those would be our colleagues in planning and development services and i don't know off the top of my head a specific date so we'll follow up okay okay nsmp process for pedestrian crossings i had requested presentations and a copy of the process used for responding to crossing requests and have not i would like to do that

[179:00] presentation at the next uh tab meeting should i have um that information uh delivered i'm happy to wait till march okay but it's a question of uh when can i get that stuff yeah we can work on um gathering that um in the next week or so and um it should be available for february for you to prep for february okay thank you okay um 30th street design planning is that just what we did i think so i think we just got an update on that so yeah that can come off i think okay all right um okay um this item six update on fatality at pearl and 26th street this may be a bigger

[180:00] topic in terms of how do we deal with serious crashes and deaths in our transportation system so we can talk about that particular incident and when we'll get information on that and we can talk about uh is this something that we need to actually build a process or a procedure for i think that's a fair question for staff there's definitely at different times in the past year or two we've been wanting to know more information sooner and sometimes it's not available and yeah natalie but muted you have something to enlighten us here well i can like start it um i mean i think so we're we're getting into the practice of as soon as erica and i have the information available to us from the police department we share the details that we have and oftentimes you know there are investigations that are ongoing and so we don't get a lot more information and

[181:01] and so we're not able to share much more um but i think we can talk about internally as a staff team how we um you know have any type of like follow-up once bpd has concluded an investigation um and and then we can come back with an update on that after we've had a chance to talk inter into internally okay i'm just mindful that i i forget if it was july or august but earlier this year you know there were a sufficient cluster of of crashes and serious injuries that the police department did come and um we didn't know if we could maybe build something like that more regularly of course we're hoping this becomes a less and less regular occurrence it's hard to systematize it but um just noting you know in 20 seconds this happened last week and and it's ongoing and then we never hear it from it again it's deeply unsatisfying because the next time we hear about it is when it's collated in data you know on a

[182:00] biannual update to the safe streets report and there has to be something in between those two extremes that's more satisfying more responsive so that's what this item is i'm not sure what we do with it um sounds like natalie just said you're gonna have more internal discussions and we'll just kind of keep thinking about how to better update people i don't know i don't want to put words in your mouth i think the reality is that we are an information conduit and so we need to talk with our partners in the police department because they're the ones that have the literally on the ground information and then the reports etc so we need to consult with them okay well i'm discerning that there is interest in having more um regular sort of touch points with tab and pd directly so if that could be convenient yes so i could vote to leave it on okay and and

[183:00] see where it takes us in the next meeting or two okay um here's hutches uh yeah i was gonna comment briefly on the previous one as well i mean uh in in at least two cases just in the news there's been criminal proceedings against the drivers uh and and i'm wondering if there's some way for us to have some sort of as tab and we can do this homework ourselves uh just uh running capture of the data and all these long-running things we've got five-year terms that's that's arguably as as long as at least some people on staff are playing their roles so we're sort of along with people around here notwithstanding my two year term uh and i i think some of that longitudinal insight about you know what happened for at least some of the more major uh uh

[184:01] incidents might be something that we just figure out a way to keep track of you know the the germans are basically do crash analysis on on their highways all the time it's like you don't you don't have a crash that results in a death without an analysis and without uh a review of it and um i think that uh anyway i think this is this is an important role for both staff and tab to review these these things yeah anyway i hadn't put much more thought but it did occur to me oh you know some of the things that have been going on have continued going on and in the case of speeding and bad driving there's now you know some additional pieces of data about what happened and people are are under criminal indictment etc uh with respect to this process for you know how do we deal with

[185:01] and and to me this this builds on the point alex has been making for quite some time uh because bigger projects get constructed differently and sit on various shelves and get picked off when they come to the top of lists for large external funding opportunities the the whole process by which we interact with them is is different and messy and i know there's been some some uh [Music] if not failures uh tricky situations and so that was just a really a process engineering conversation about you know how do we ensure that fairly early in any large project maybe even before we choose it to go to dr cogg or wherever we have conversations that may be

[186:00] helpful in ensuring quality and alignment with goals and things like that um and so we thought that that was a good retreat topic uh i don't know when the retreat is i'm happy to share if there's not a time to do it before i roll off i'm happy to share my experience in trying to trying to find intervention mechanisms for you know larger capital projects that all have this sort of characteristic they go extremely slowly and nobody knows much about them and then they're then they're funded and then they go extremely fast and they become very concrete very quickly and it's too late to do much about them uh this is this is this is a systemic problem that happens all the time so that's what that was about i don't know what we want to do about timing it i would offer two suggestions one is

[187:02] that continue to have that as a retreat item but then i can also share that as part of our lessons learned the situation you just described is something that we've talked about extensively and so we'll be sharing some of that information from the staff standpoint okay all right thank you um [Music] the next one uh item eight ryan's uh nsmp criteria how humans are valued so we revise we revise the how humans are valued language to like whose voice counts right something like that yeah so i'll make it i'm going to make a pitch for this i'll back off if nobody else is interested but i'll just try to remind you of what this is about and with my update on it so i i just i've been thinking about or when i raised this was thinking about

[188:01] that a lot of the proposals we hear are driven to us and driven to their state by public comment in pretty fundamental ways and staff naturally needs a methodology to make sense of public comments so i'm just curious about what kind of values are being applied to those those methodologies specifically around how we count and value input and then make decisions either explicitly or implicitly um about who's it whose interest or who gets the benefit so just for example imagine any project you have you have at least an implicit decision about um community wide benefit versus you know people that live around that and you have to make some decisions um if we truly are talking about counting neighbors here you know over here and there um you know is it one household one vote is it a person you know or is it a person for vote and then it's you know there's a number

[189:00] of these things down the line that maybe they just um are super intuitive um and not even explicitly discussed with staff but um maybe not so it just struck me that this might be something that staff would benefit from hearing from uh from tab on it at some point um that's what kinds of values if any should we um you know make sure being applied to these these methods ryan could you help me offline the link i set i sent allows you to suggest i i was i wanted to make sure but i'll i'll just send you an editing link but if you could edit both the topic and the comment section there uh that would be helpful to me i think the discussion for us now is when uh you know do we want to keep this on and if so when would we deal with it the

[190:02] note there says discussed during nsmp review in spring of 2022 so we will be having a an smp review coming up is that correct so yes we will and that will um due to just staffing resources that'll probably need to be a q3 or q4 conversation but we'll have a better sense of timeline over the next few weeks so brian do you feel like the nsmp review isn't appropriate can it hold till then is it yeah yeah it will it could be it could be done in there i i think you know some of those questions are kind of big questions so i'd want to um wouldn't want to just surprise staff on the day of um so if those are interesting types of questions then i'd say yeah let's let's do it then but just give staff a heads up

[191:03] so are we um tila are we uh if there's a question about keeping it on or off are we um [Music] uh taking a quick vote on this uh no you're just tracking you know what what's been floated and how long it's been and we'll we will we still have to formalize how we manage the stuff and that's going to be at the retreat but okay i think with ryan's help updating updating those fields we'll have a better sense but you can stay on for now for sure great uh strategic planning opportunities hyphen federal infrastructure bill i was a little confused about this i'm not sure who's responsible for this but speak up yeah anybody i'm looking for my notes see if i can find out

[192:05] i don't know okay well i'm anyone can bring it back um at some point but i'm going to uh remove it unless someone objects no objection okay item 10 state greenhouse gas uh ghd update again another kind of i was that was ryan again i don't have a proposal on this i i trust that it's self-evident this is important um right no i'll make a case but the proposal is to update for staff to update tab on the state

[193:01] the state of greenhouse greenhouse gas emissions by the state or for the state of greenhouse gas emissions by the city i think this was related to the state's greenhouse gas rulemaking and jean is here so she can i think it was yeah hi jean sanson um senior transportation planner um yes that is how i read item number 10 and um so the state greenhouse gas rule has been adopted by the transportation commission and um dr cogg is going to be incorporating a ghg analysis into the update of their regional transportation plan in the coming year and along with that we will be working with dr cogg and our member jurisdictions to develop mitigation strategies that could be included for ghg mitigation all this to say i am happy to continue to update you in

[194:00] my regional transportation planning updates each month as i have more information and we'll be seeking input and feedback thank you gene um so this would be an item i think that uh and ryan it's your it's your um initial item so correct me if i'm wrong this would be one where if it's going to be ongoing and gene has committed to updating us uh as as as situation changes and as new information as part of her updates then it would be an item to remove which i think that's right it's that okay ryan okay okay and finally um the tmp update

[195:00] um this is one uh i think it was initiated by staff but i certainly have a keen interest in um [Music] if staff is starting well what the status and his staff starting a tnp update uh so let's just stop there and let staff answer this one sure i can speak to that um yes we are starting a tmp update we'll be um we we've kind of started to get underway um internally as far as staffing and and resourcing the team so that's kind of where we're at right now i think we'll we'll be coming to tab probably like q2 with more information about the kickoff of the process

[196:00] but over the next couple months we're we're going to be resourcing the project and then as erica mentioned earlier this evening depending on how whether council takes us up on our invitation to to focus more directly on vmt reductions this might impact how quickly and how how it unfolds the work on the tmp update but they did mention it earlier today so i we're going to get updated as it happens i'm not quite sure why this is a separate agenda item this is kind of one of those things like well yes of course we will it will come up um there's lots of stuff that will come up that's not on this list and so should it stay on here or not i don't i don't see a reason to keep it okay i'm gonna remove it okay um all right and i do have a quick question when was the 2019

[197:00] tmp process initiated in what month and year was the process initiated does anyone recall april 2018 march 2018 yeah yeah i was going to say that it was in probably like q1 q2 of 2018 um and then it it culminated in september of 2019. it was a a bit of a shorter process because it um the initially when we went into it it was going to be a very minimal update [Music] and that evolved but we're giving ourselves more time this time around because we recognize that there are more substantial updates that we want to make so a year is a big a big head start over the previous

[198:01] update it seems like a year like a year early that's correct you're earlier but not too early because work that needs to happen yeah typically typically the we've we've really used like a you know a two-year process for a more significant update that last um it frankly it wasn't enough time and so where we eventually tried to end up it was a bit rushed okay okay i'm going to remove that item and does anyone have any other proposals of things to add we've removed several items updated some anything else

[199:00] that's the correct response okay go all right thank you for doing that mark okay that concludes that item okay thank you what else might it conclude can i entertain a motion to adjourn if we have nothing else i miss you thank you ryan i'll second thank you mark all in favor all right uh unless we happen to convene a beer meeting where we do not talk about tab business i will see you all next month [Music] take care have a good night bye lynn you sneaky