March 14, 2022 — Transportation Advisory Board Regular Meeting

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[2:01] The one question that I had and I didn't have a chance to go, I had chance I didn't take an opportunity to check today to see there was a request made. During Jean samson's presentation last time, because there are sometimes with the with her updates some slides and I have asked with those to become a regular part of the materials. That are posted along with the official materials for for each meeting I didn't check to make sure that those have gone on there, I did see the request made it into the Minutes. So if they haven't, then I would request that those happen again, and you know as an on an ongoing basis, that we should be doing that, but yes meredith. um they were Center to committee members, the presentation, however, we don't have some practice post powerpoints so. I don't have. Patience Thank you understood, thank you for that clarification that makes a lot of sense.

[3:01] Perfect thanks. Okay. Erica you've unmuted to do something to pitch in here. i'm aware of your request, and you know, like meredith said she sent it out via email but i'm talking with our internal communications folks to see whether or not we can post them online. Okay. yeah as a practical matter you know our emails those 10 Members are public record as well, so there was just that part that I was you know concern is getting skipped and so it's. A little harder for a member of the public to find, but it would be available if someone submitted a quarter request for those things. Okay um I will entertain a motion to approve the Minutes. We have no further discussion on them hutch did you. move okay. i'll second. The Minutes seeing no consternation, the Minutes are approved. lovely Thank you Minutes are approved. Okay, as I mentioned, and now we are for most of the people who are on this call, are aware of what has transpired last week during a Council city council's nomination.

[4:13] of new board members, we knew that this was hutches last meeting, but we didn't realize was last meeting with mark mcintyre's last meeting because he got appointed to the planning board. So we we have two people to say goodbye to and one of them is not here marketer he told us, he was going to be out of town. And he's not his connection isn't good enough and he's not a member of the board anymore so it's not going to take any extraordinary measures to join us, he did email a nice message to a fellow tab Members I don't know if he also sent a message to city staff but. He in general, expressed his gratitude and. Just the pleasure, though he had had to serve and to meet us that it was I thought it was a lovely colleague. We will of course i'm sure so still see more of him, but I did want it to mark his passing as as a member of the transportation Advisory Board and he's moved on to to be a member of the planning board.

[5:09] So feel free to reach out, I thought he was a wonderful colleague, if anyone else would like to say anything that's terrific. He was. hoping to be here and i'm sure we'll see him again, as I said. Well there's a functional gap that he left for us when when nobody else had anything to say he had something to say so, somebody else is going to have to step up. From probably one of the people that are sitting on the phone on the call now so i'm sorry I can't help with that, personally, given my status. Right, well, I do see that the two probable new members, they won't be appointed until tomorrow evening, but the two likely Members are on and and watching training, I see your hand up, you will have a chance to speak as a member of the public in just a moment and public comment.

[6:04] But we are going to also have to say goodbye to hutch. My friend and neighbor. And the hungry when this evening, apparently. I get kicked out of the House tomorrow, so we have no kitchen so i'm. weird things. Sorry that's. My house. Well, which I remember when you were. considering applying to tab and we took a long walk around the neighborhood and. it's something that I really like doing with people who are who are into it and want to think about it and deep thoughts and deep thinking, the breadth of experience that you've brought to tab has been really helpful. it's a very interesting perspective that that most of us don't have that much more informed by your global work. And sort of big picture thinking, and so I do appreciate, at least, that that change and that shifted lens for us, so I did want to acknowledge that your 10 year has been short I don't know what you have planned next.

[7:02] But I hope I hope good things for you, my friend. Well i've told some people, I will take a short sabbatical and then be at be added in some role or other we just don't know what yet. Great I think Erica has something to say as well, perhaps. just wanted to say thank you so much for your service to the community your service to tab and you're supportive staff throughout the years. As I mentioned to you earlier came in during the period of coven and everything's been virtual you leave during that same period, but I hope that at some point in the future. we'll get to meet person and just want to say thank you for bringing the outside world beyond just simply boulder Colorado boulder Colorado or even the United States in an offering that perspective and your kind graciousness greatly appreciated, so thank you very much for that. Thank you, American. Thanks Ryan go ahead.

[8:00] So, speaking of functional gaps, I think you are the gentlest of the of the current tab members and will will miss I will miss you and your. Your big picture thinking and ability to just kind of keep us moving forward in a really constructive way i'm grateful that you've helped me get to know how things work over the last year. So thank you much good luck and mark i've said some more to him, but I guess I would you say, also on this topic of functional functionality, you know marks going to to find the board, which has much to do with some of the things that this. This board the magically has an interested in which is, which is land use and zoning and so i've told mark, I expect him to be the next step transportation liaison at planning, but that's just my my hope so many guests, thank you both to mark it's been great working with you here. Thanks Ryan.

[9:02] yeah I was thinking of Margaret when during looking at this stuff for the sub Community portion of the meeting tonight and hoping hoping he's done his homework for us anyway because he'll have to do it anyhow and planning board. Alex my tabs right over there no you don't have okay. The view I have my screen is making it a little unclear who's got hands up and not oh Erica does again. Okay, you know it's typically honors going, you know I know that mark has turned off, you know come off of the on board so that he can eventually, hopefully, you know. he's been nominated for appointed whatever waiting for that to be official on the planning board but just want to say thank you for. Helping lead the charge to have really wonderful great and Community focused and centric goals for the transportation master plan, and so I think that's very strong legacy that whole leave you know for tab and for the Community and for all of us and just wanted to offer.

[10:06] Some gratitude for that, so thank you very much for your leadership in that fashion. Thanks Erica I did mention his his written, you know farewell to fellow tab members and he concluded by sort of trying to keep three pole stars in mind one below, we have to do better on snow cleanup. To keep the the tmp goals sort of top of mind here are the main things that we're trying to do, and try to measure every effort that we have against those goals and make sure that we keep advancing them every every opportunity that we have, which I think is a great. great thing to keep in mind and then his third one, was to remember sort of the latest charged by Council be bold and get stuff done so. that's I think I think there's going to be helpful things hutch is there anything you want to leave us with is something to point our campuses towards as we, as we lose the benefit of your monthly contributions.

[11:04] I was thinking about whether whether I should contribute something of that sort um. there's a couple of things i've been fairly consistent about and and one of one of them has been to not get too lost in too many weeds. And then the process, forces us into wait sometimes. But I really enjoyed alex's you know pattern recognition that he shared with with both the Council and with and with us. In the last meeting and I think that that's a super important role for tab in particular to always have a way to do that pattern recognition, even when we're worried about you know whether straight gay or straight be gets speed management. And, and I guess the other thing is hopefully Ryan and Alex and others can can can you can continue my habit of looking beyond boulder because I do think that it's it's a little bit easy to get stuck here and, hopefully, that you know, bringing things from outside boulder will continue.

[12:14] Thank you so much yeah that was pretty important thing right at the beginning of your tenure, you know coveted hip we were remote. We really didn't know the streets were closed down people wanted to walk in them, we didn't know what to do, and so you were pretty good at helping us harness some of that thanks. And and submit you know some suggestions and report to counsel about what other cities were doing as part of the pandemic response, I wanted to recognize your leadership on that, and thank you. All right, um is that all the love, we have for hutch at the moment. All right, i'm gonna move along then we're going to move along to public comment touch, thank you for your service oh we'll see you walking your dog.

[13:03] i'll see you on the street, will be the man on the street again. But thank you for your service okay we're going to move right now to public comment period, we do not have any public hearing items of this evening, and so this would be the chance for members of the public who would wish to. Share or vent or suggest or otherwise talk to tab and staff about transportation matters in the city. We will go usually we have three minutes per speaker, I see no particular reason to deviate from that this evening, so if you are interested in speaking, please feel free to raise your hand now. And we will call you in order. i'm not seeing any hands up oh. I see okay lynn's hands just popped up. hey go. And then m&m field. Okay, and so, then I will go ahead and pull up the three minute timer just one moment.

[14:07] In. just waiting to be last. Sorry i'll give you that extra 10 seconds. um. let's see. And the video windows, we must be the most. regressive city in the United States to after two years, still not have video windows for for our public and I challenge you to take all your video windows off and see what it feels like to just be talking to a black box, you know it's bad enough that we have covered. This is not. rocket science it's. Just a video window and guess what I went to speak out at the Capitol posing modular new nuclear reactors and guess what I had a video window.

[15:13] it's a miracle it's modern technology let's do it, and I know that you're going to say in response we're just a board, but you know what i've done it at City Council i've done it at all the boards and i'll keep on doing it over and over again until somebody snaps out of it. And you got to kick it up to the Council, because you're getting you're having to listen to this from me, each time. And i've got other things, to talk about I really do like what are your place when are we going to find out what happened there with a fire. I ride my bike there every day, you know, and I can't ride on that side of the street after button right on the crosswalk, on the other side of the street.

[16:02] And there's is that just going to be like a burnt out Shell of a place for years, like no word on that whatsoever where's the ex officio on. From planning board here, because this is what needs to be that the combination of the tab and and the planning department and once again East boulder working group, you know the minority groups don't want to be stuck in a industrial area they want nice neighborhoods and. This is just an excuse to get more people packed into boulder which is not desirable anymore it's you know what the Green building that was going to happen. For Marshall fire it's not the green building that's expensive it's the demand for housing here, we need to clamp down on housing and cab needs to make a stand on speaking out against see you sell.

[17:08] Berkeley had a lawsuit you know against their developer and and for. For a competition on population student population there and boulder needs to do that. And next up I have amanda you can go ahead and start speaking. hi my name is amanda mansfield, I just wanted to introduce myself i'm the new senior manager of transportation and build a transportation connections. Oh, can you hear me. Yes. i'm sorry and apologies for starting my video. anyway. just wanted to say hi and I haven't had a chance to meet all the time, Members yet so I look forward to working with you guys in the future and i'm excited to attend this meeting it's my first time meeting so thanks for having me.

[18:01] Thank you amanda nice to meet you I did get your email. When you first got on board so i'm will be in touch, I look forward to working with you. same here. Thank you. And Lynn I understand we are going to go back to in person meeting sometime this year, possibly as early as June I don't know but it's coming it's coming I hear your frustration about the videos but. Your time in the dark is nearly over. Do we have any other members of the public. That is. All I see. Okay. Going once I do see, we have a member of Council on here I don't make them speak, but I do want to point out, you are Madam spear you are definitely welcome to. chime in if you would like to we always love to see Council members. see another just made over here. yeah I can just say hello, and I just really want to thank you all for you know being here for.

[19:02] Yet another virtual meeting that you all are getting through, I too am looking forward to being back in person. thanks especially to hutch Now this is your last meeting here Thank you so much for all the service that you put into this board, and I know marks not here but. Thanks to mark as well really looking forward to having a perspective on planning as well, and for the soon to be hopefully new members that will get officially voted on tomorrow night just welcome, and thank you all. Thank you. Thanks for letting me listening tonight. Thanks Nicole. All right, I see no further hands, and so we are going to bring the public comment period to a close and move right along. It has been noted, to me this this feels like a very light agenda, we will talk about it later on in the meeting under matters. And, in particular, probably next meeting, but a lot of staff's work on things that were ongoing has pause while they're concentrating on the.

[20:06] Can the core arterial network project and or emphasis and so that's sort of if that helps explain people who are two people who are regular viewers, why we are not going into some very familiar subjects it's because they're they're focusing on the cam work right now. But we have for a while the East builders of Community draft plan under way, and so we have members of staff tonight to update us on that and brief has about the status of that planning work. hi Kathleen. Hello. Okay, my up. Yes, I see you. guys all right. Great Thank you um we have a staff presentation so i'm going to share my screen give me just a SEC.

[21:03] See she. will go to this there we go. Everything look looking good. Okay, great Thank you so much for having me tonight i'm Katherine King from comprehensive planning i've been managing the East boulder planning process for the past couple of years and tonight i'm joined by my colleague from transportation gene since. we're here to present the latest draft of the East builder sub Community plan and the 55th and arapaho stationary plan. And we've taken feedback that tab provided on the 60% draft plan back in July of last year and work to incorporate your recommendations, along with some of the Community recommendations into. This, which is the latest version of the plans, and this will be the last time that tab reviews the plan before we pursue it adoption so we're looking for your feedback.

[22:03] to inform any refinements that are needed to the plan and we'll use tonight's feedback to make final edits to these documents and we'll be sharing your feedback with planning board later this month and then City Council in April, when they also make some final recommendations for updates. So we're in the final stage of the East boulder sub Community planning process to date we've completed five phases of work and now we're going through. Our final task which is plan documentation and adoption. Some of the key questions to help guide your discussion tonight are this tab support the connections plan and mobility recommendations included in both the East boulder sub Community plan. And the 55th and arapaho stationary a plan and then also what feedback this tap have to further refine those recommendations.

[23:02] i'm going to walk through the main deliverables included in the sub Community plan and provide some information about changes that we've made to to both of these documents, since we met last July. So, as you may recall, there are four major deliverables of the East boulder said Community plan. First there's a land use plan which is pretty similar to what you saw the 60% draft, but we've made some updates and modifications to some of the tools included in this section of the plan. There is a connections plan and we'll talk through the changes that we've made to that section as well, and then there's a recommendations. Chapter and that outlines policies programs and projects to help achieve the vision of the East boulder sub Community plan so for those that that really read through the document last time this would be a new section that you haven't seen before, and. So I imagine you know for folks will have some thoughts on this section in particular.

[24:05] And then the final kind of major deliverable is that 50,000 arapahoe stationary a plan, and so we refer to that as the stamp it's another major tool that will offer more detailed recommendations for one of the key areas of change and Nice builder. So we'll start with the land use plan there's a few changes six since the 60% draft to the final recommended land use plan. And we change some of the light industrial areas to a Community industrial category and the intention behind that is to protect space for smaller service industrial uses along both arapaho and velma. that's consistently been a concern raised by the Community and we got some of that feedback again in our last engagement window. And then another. slight different site, you may have noticed is that we, we tried to better align some of our land use changes with open space and habitat protection areas specifically around boulder creek and.

[25:09] Around the humane society site. we've also updated the plan to provide more detailed information about vision for different areas of change so describing what Community Members are hoping to see in these areas related to building character access and walkability. And then we really delve deeper into recommendations for place types, so that place types. tool that's included in this version of the document. really got tweaked up a notch, I think, since you saw the 60% draft and the level of information provided here will be used to guide future zoning decisions, as well as creation of a potential form based code for these areas and and that will. That will help us deliver the types of changes that are in line with what the Community has described as their vision for different neighborhoods.

[26:05] So i'll pass it to gene and talk through the connections plan. Great Thank you so much Kathleen so and this chapter, I assume, would be have much interest to tab. So stepping back a little bit I mean when we think about East boulder today, and we think about how its evolved over the years it's really designed for motor vehicles. And options to travel by any mode, other than a vehicle are pretty limited so dispersed patterns of development have grown up around the car and what we see our street blocks that are typically long and disconnected but. As these land use change an infill and redevelopment bring a greater mix of jobs and housing to the area. The transportation network and the mobility options should evolve to support this transformation. So, supporting the network of businesses in new residents that Kathleen has described include some major recommendations that will contribute to our access immobility goals. And this chapter that's the plan of the plan supports this vision and land use plan, while also responding to the many Community comments we received about transportation needs and upgrades in the area.

[27:07] So let's start with this connections plan that you're looking at and new connections are intended to support new land uses by first improving access into in through these free development areas. Second, expanding the pedestrian and bicycle network throughout the sub community and then third creating opportunities for street activation and vibrancy in these evolving neighborhoods. And their major recommendations of the connections plan should look pretty consistent with what was included in the 60% draft. and specifically in response to tough feedback we've updated our map to simplify recommendations and show the full system proposed improvements. So what you're looking at is how the proposed connections are integrated into the existing network of froze and pedestrian and bicycle facilities next slide Kathleen. yeah in the map you here, you see here the geographic extent of each each new connection is described sorry describes the the connections that you saw on the map and the prior slide.

[28:09] And the purpose or the intent of the new connection and the street type as its defined in the DCS. The plan will be incorporated into our transportation master plan and replace portions of earlier network plans that covered East boulder. Transportation improvements, including the connections plan will be installed by property owners, as part of redevelopment and through city projects. And for these new connections, we also took a closer look at the stamp and revisited some of our. Initial recommendations in particular we identified opportunities for more great separated route as per tabs recommendations and have included additional recommendation for multiple use pass along Western avenue and range street next slide please. So another component of the transportation trap chapter is what we refer to a system enhancements. These are transportation network improvements that are recommended for consideration and next tmp update to improve existing facilities for all modes of travel.

[29:07] The enhancements range in scale from completing missing sidewalks to initiating design of the 55th street quarter to incorporate protected bicycle facilities. you'll also notice that, in response to tap feedback we did build that recommendations from ability hubs throughout the sub community and provided some additional guidance on areas that would be well served by mobility hubs of different scales and next slide. I think we might be off one slide i'm on system enhance that. mean SEC. Sorry okay. Here we go. Here we go. Alright, so great thanks Kathleen this next set of projects for future study, maybe located outside the areas of change in East folder, but they were identified by Community members. Throughout the process in city staff as potential projects that warrant further study for future consideration or investment.

[30:04] So following adoption of the subcommittee plan these projects should be tracked to determine when and how they're incorporated into future city departments work plans. For example, preliminary engineering of the East arapahoe quarter is a project that see that is initiating this year. While the potential for a fast tracks Northwest rail station at 50 sophistry is something that we've heard as a desire from our Community and which we will continue to examine as real discussions with our TD proceed so with that I will hand the presentation back over to Kathleen. Okay Thank you so much. So this is jumping into that that last chapter and and the third major deliverable, so this is a new piece of the plan, and this is where we're outlining recommendations for policies programs and projects that will help implement the transportation and mobility goals.

[31:00] Which as this group is well aware, those types of projects also impact our goals for design quality and place making resilience and climate commitment, as well as local business. So the recommended policies are described, first, and then the plan outlines potential programs and projects key steps towards implementation and offer some guidance on priority prioritization. So this tool will be used by city staff to develop future work plans capital improvement planning and develop partnerships throughout the Community, to implement these recommendations. The final major deliverable is the 55th and arapahoe station area plan so. I think, as folks know, we had an opportunity to bring on a consultant team to provide greater detail for recommendations in this area of change. Because of the regional mobility have planned at the 55th and arapaho station which will be served by high quality, high frequency bus rapid transit in the future.

[32:04] As part of the State highway seven brt project that the city has been working on in collaboration with si dot RTE in our neighboring communities. The stamp provides site specific guidance on redevelopment strategies key connections and mobility improvements and the creation of a district to manage parking among other needs in the area. The plan offers specific recommendations for what right away treatments for existing and new connections. and provide street sections to help local property owners in city staff deliver on mobility facility and urban design needs throughout this area. And then, similar to the east builder plan the stamp offers an implementation matrix that will be used to implement key programs and projects that will help realize the vision for the area. So those are the major components of the sub Community plan tab is our first stop this month as we share the document out with city boards.

[33:06] will be posting the latest version of the draft plan to the city website this week and asking for Community feedback through April 5. And then we're going to share all the board and Community feedback with City Council in April and ask for their final direction on edits indoor changes to the plan. And then really we're hoping to wrap up the documents and pursue adoption with planning board and Council, there will be a joint public hearing which is scheduled for May, and then the two adopting bodies will deliberate and consider motions to adopt. So you know I think if there's any kind of clarifying questions we're happy to answer those but if not, you know this board has really provided just excellent critical feedback throughout the process, so we'd love to hear more from you tonight on the updated drafts.

[34:05] And thank you so much. Thank you very much guessing. Have any questions. clarifying questions before we get back before we give substantive feedback. I noticed there's a couple of annexation says that is that a complex thing or Community driven thing i'm not sure, particularly San Leandro i'm not sure how that works is. Sam Sam law zero mobile home park is recommended for annexation and it is considered a complex annexation. But we've been working with the property owner throughout the process and they've actually submitted. Their materials to start to pursue that I think last week. cool thanks.

[35:07] guys noting in the oh sorry right just it's a quick question. In the discussion in the memo and regional trail connections. um that specifically I didn't really see any things on the map so we're showing here's where we're thinking and it might be just too early days right, but they were specifically called out as. Potentially soft surface connections. which are really great for recreating but they're not terrific. Transportation connections there that they're slower to ride on. Their more difficult to clear after adverse weather they get money, and so I was curious as there's a reason that there's an emphasis on soft surface trails here versus trying to actually make them. resilient hardy and more widely usable by by transportation minded people on bicycles.

[36:03] I don't I don't have an answer for that, for the regional trail connections, I would have to look back um I don't know if gene if you know. yeah i'm not sure exactly which page of the plan you're referring to Taylor, but I do know that we've had conversations with boulder county and the work that they're doing to. design and build a soft surface trail along our TVs real quarter connecting erie into town, and I think that might be what you're referencing but if there's there are additional trails that aren't coming to mind right away, then we need to take a closer look. Okay i'm quite curious about there's a proposed trail connecting sort of the end of the airport road and out. kind of were available belmont takes a job and there's some some multiuse pads that sort of die out there, I know there's a long term planning to make them or region trio connection out there and I don't see that on here.

[37:00] that's another one i'm that's kind of maybe not on the map, because because we simplify the map, but maybe it's not on the map, because we got cut in the attachment see which I haven't studied very well so curious about that one up, but I was looking at page 70 I think. Regional trail connections, yes, looking at a soft surface trail for irie so that is what you were referring to. And I saw soft surface mentioned somewhere else, and I didn't know what page. But I was just curious about what whether it's soft surface in particular indicates a preference or something that we're pushing for or maybe communication from boulder county that that's the flavor of rail to they're willing to do. we're emphasizing I know the you know the bike route on highway one that team, the diagonal is going to be paved and so more suitable for the purposes of community, but I was just kind of that just jumped out at me and I wanted to ask about it. yeah those are good questions to you like if we're missing something we're missing one of the connections out of the airport will be sure to take a closer look at that and Sam regarding conversations with the county about a preference for soft surface.

[38:12] And we'll get back to you on that. Right Thank you okay ryan's good. i'm just wondering about. The kind of overall principle principles of the plan i'm thinking about bmt and climate, so I there's a lot of references over 40 references to climate here on I looked for bmt or miles traveled I don't I don't have to get find anything and i'm just wondering if there's any kind of. Decisions at the score of that pervade the whole plan regarding things we're doing to drive down bmt, whether from land use decisions or otherwise any maybe this is our question, but just curious festival level yeah. yeah I think I understand what you're asking and.

[39:02] That, I think it's a good point I don't I don't. think that we have tied those directly in the right up of the plan, but certainly in the pursuit of the land use changes and the mobility recommendations, reducing bmt. and managing trips in this area is, I think a guiding force behind some of the decisions that we're making. Thanks, I would be very intentional pajamas by the moment but i'd be very interested to see those articulated as like three or the five mechanisms like they are the principles are like not just that we care about bmt you don't mean like that's what what you're saying. yeah but not just that this is a, this is a seminar thinking about the, this is the mechanism or, this is the thing we're doing that you will find as a as a principal My guess is there, their thought out there they're implicit but they're not stated.

[40:00] i'd be interested to see them as kind of like this is our change model for our we're going to do the the empty support the you know declined the commitments or you know all the other things I do. that's great that's. yeah we can definitely that's a good ad Thank you. Thanks Ryan. Any other questions. I think I have one other question if you don't mind. In looking at the new definitions for land use that to to mixed use land use definitions, these are these are brand new flavors of things is that right, and then this is going to go into the folder rally COMP plan. So the mixed use industrial designation is in the COMP plan today and but it's pretty vague and so we've really bolstered that to try and give more flavor to what those types of.

[41:04] Land uses and neighborhoods that have a mixed use industrial designation should include and look like, but the mixed use to D is a brand new designation. Okay. I think the only comment that I have and I don't think we discussed this earlier is I think it's been fleshed out a lot more, since we last saw this. Is it, saying a lot of the right things mixing existing disparate uses into mixed use transit oriented I would raise issue, with it being a 15 minute neighborhood I think that if it's a transit oriented development we were talking about you being right there and. You should really be expecting to be there, I don't know within five minutes or. Less than 10 minutes a. Day, and so I would call out the 15 minute as being something that we are aspiring to you know city, why do you have you know 15 minute walk ability to desire things but in it in a to D district, it should be much more convenient than 15 minutes, it should be really fairly instantaneous.

[42:09] Think that's my only sorry I said it was a question it's kind of a comment on that one. No right okay. that's good. To have do you have any comments and feedback now, at this point. Go ahead Alex. Thanks Kathleen gene it's been a pleasure to watch this plan grow and it's really important for a part of town have so much potential I think a few pieces of feedback first kind of thinking, the way Ryan was. I scan this document for mentions of Vision Zero and I couldn't find any and we talked about the the ease of moving people in goods through this area I think it's important that safety be first and foremost, as we do that. I was glad to hear and see the. Protected bike lanes called out throughout this document, but I don't think that they were really rendered or depicted.

[43:01] As all that strong based on the current best practices so, for example on 55th street the rendering shows what I would consider more of like a cheap low cost retrofit. showing more to paint and FLEX posts I think it'd be fantastic if this was a little more inspirational for potential engineers who might view this in the future and show. A curb facility within the street or, even better, yet would be like a back of curb facility, where the trees and the landscaping provide the buffer between the roadway. And the protected bike facility Similarly, the 55th and arapahoe intersection shows a lot of colorful materials and backup curve, a lot of. Mobility devices and to communicate them ability hub, but the intersection still looks pretty terrifying from a petabyte perspective, and so I think to to show things like a protected intersection. treatments, like in the corners, there would help communicate that it's not just about providing devices, but providing the safe infrastructure as well.

[44:04] final thing is, I think it's important to emphasize the need for transportation upgrades on belmont. it's the north arterial for the the spillover sub Community plan it'll, of course, also overlap with the transit village area plan phase two where it's going to happen, so I think an opportunity for police sort of work in tandem there. But that road is a fast arterial that's one of the few crossings of foothills and then it provides important connections to park space St cloud zero and a lot of the trails out east, so ensuring that that's. A court order that we give some attention to and call up the need for for protected bike lanes and all that I think would be great. Thanks Alex. Train any feedback right good. it's just it's the corollary of my question, I mean i'm you know i'll be frank i'm surprised that we're still seeing proposals, let alone propels this big come to tap the don't start with.

[45:10] The discussion on the key tmp areas of mode shifting the empty Vision Zero and say, these are the things we're doing to take a stand on those are These are the things we're doing to drive change and those. Those should be right up in the front and I know sure they're in the minds of folks but I really want to see more more articulation of yours. here's the principal or the principles and each of those that we're going to we're going to take a stand on we're not just going to you know sort of June is going to happen, but other than that I listen this looks like a lot of really great work look forward to seeing was inclusion. I guess from my part, the thing that I did for come in, is. The brt service along arapaho because that is a real brt and we do get high ridership.

[46:03] From into various places and it's I don't have in my head exactly what its catchment is as it goes, East. But a really well designed brt that flows, a lot of people in and out of this area will make all the difference. And I know that there's there's already some good material in the plan there, it would be great to see in the plan some criteria for what a really good br key station is as opposed to the types of things that we've we've ended up with a long 36 those are you know just why. they're very convenient for the buses, but not so convenient for the people. So I do think that there's there's there's some potential to to have that be a real beefy. Center and that's driven in significant part by the brt access.

[47:07] And such. As I was looking more at the stamp because that's really what we were focusing on last time we looked at this. We also talked about I talked about and making 55th street less of a of a barrier, particularly if we were going to flank you know, the new uses. That blue cross 55th street and and just looking at the general connections plan. i'm not seeing that it's any more permeable for users of all stripes but in particular for more vulnerable vulnerable road users, so I think that's still a hurdle, we have to get. Over and try to not make 55th street anymore, of a highway and it's behaving as right now, I think this is our chance to say we're planning to ameliorate some of that and I don't see that that's happening.

[48:03] And then, with the stamp i'm looking at page 64. Of the draft and i'm seeing a mix of on street bike lanes and multi use pads and including a couple of things that look like 1233 blocks long on Western avenue say or. one to two blocks of kind of stove and they don't really connect and so i'm kind of curious what the what the thinking is here between having. multiuse pads versus of vertically separated facility, which is call out in a couple of these versus a kind of shared street like what we try to boulder junction to varying degrees of success or not success. Because calling something out as a multi use pass that only goes three blocks, is a very useful we've talked about these in the past, do you have any feedback for me and why, in particular on on the stamp way different there's like four different things going on in a very small area.

[49:10] yeah that's that's a really good point and kayla it might be helpful Kathleen if you can share that connections plan the stamp connections. Yes, yes, I can. Right, do we have the the map that indicates the multis path extends yeah. Oh yeah let me pull up the cool. man. Thank you, I just want to be able to speak directly to that. Page 63 and 64 I think for the draft.

[50:01] Thank you. There we go. yeah so you know, one of the things that we've spent a lot of time working with our consultant team on. Since the 60% draft is fine tuning the dimensions of the streets and understanding how people are going to travel through here and to hear so, for instance you'll notice, you know when we say we only have a couple blocks. of a multi use path and what we've done is we've tried to think about where people are traveling to so, for example, if they're trying to. Access the 55th and arapaho coffee or tea station and they're coming from the boulder creek path they would access it via well. Many different ways, but oftentimes along commerce or through ball aerospace which has a plan multi use path connection with the idea being that. If you're coming from ball aerospace you could then you have, then you then have a few different options east, west options oh thanks for for you, moving your cursor there.

[51:09] To come South a long range to hit the Multi use path on arapahoe or to continue along kind of stole the core kind of or continue along kind of stroke of court. South along kindness kindness yoga street, and that would access the destinations, to the south, as well as along arapahoe to the Multi use path. Or if you're choosing to travel further north at the flutter and business Park, you may choose to travel along Western. To access 55th street So the idea was to be able to provide options, but understanding that we wanted to work within the constraints of the existing. dimensions of the roadways themselves thinking that major public investments are likely to happen along our major cereals right arapahoe and 55th whereas as redevelopment occurs.

[52:00] We expect those improvements, a back of curb by development, and then we think about how the street itself is redesign so. It was pretty important when we fine tune this to look at what space we had available to make these changes and so that's where you see. These these recommendations for things like the Multi use past where a long kind of soda if you're heading. East on kind of stoke of court, for example, from ball aerospace here then on this activation street, which is a little bit more slow speed it's a shared street it's very activated this is, you know your sort of mainstream type destination. So that was really the rationale behind how we determined these facilities in particular sheila does that answer your question i'm happy. Not quite so let me release date, and I think you're getting there um I guess what i'm trying to say is that last example that you just said you're coming from ball you're going along on a stove it's a more activated street. Why have we designated one block of it as having a multiuse path that it appears as kind of a shared street.

[53:04] What went into the choosing I know you're talking about wits and are you saying like there was enough room on that one block on a stove at it put. backup curb and we'll do use path their multi use facility of some kind, but then otherwise no and we're going to go to a shared screen so there's no indication of shared screen us here. And I think some of the interpretation gets lost when we try to pull out this piece of the connections plan that just really illustrates those separated facilities. I think when you go back and look at how this connects to that activation sweet, I think that speaks to it a little bit better but yes space constraints, is very much a factor. As was the land use designation, so it changes, you know throughout the stamp in some areas we're looking at innovation to D that's more employment, based in others it's more residential base, and we see more activation at the ground floor level. Okay, do you have any reaction about having not really changed how 55th street operates north of here how it is kind of a barrier and.

[54:09] You know just looking at the at the general the previous slide that Kathleen was showing us the bigger the bigger area MAC it's no easier for people to get around and these plan connections. When they're coming from other parts of the city yeah that's. It we still have you still you're still getting diverted to these busy uncomfortable. arterial arapahoe and 55th street or all the way up to belmont and if i'm a cyclist going somewhere it's it's pretty far out of my way. That to divert to those uncomfortable paths and one of the most uncomfortable ones, this is being on 55th street and around 55th street is there simply nothing we can do. I wouldn't say there's nothing we can do, I think you know, one of the most important recommendations that's coming out of this plan is to. prioritize design a 55th street and look at those things like managing access and providing better crossing so, for example on a stove that might be a good candidate for.

[55:11] A protected crossing, whether that be a single or some other means, as would Western further north. And that's where we had the opportunity to take up you know more fine grain look at. Where we would like to see that permeability because we had the opportunity to do the deeper dive in the stamp area, whereas we haven't done as much north of the railroad and I think that's the opportunity. As we you know design 55th street to consider how we make those crossings more safe and comfortable. Okay, but if we adopt this connections plan that has left that area day Wednesday night when's the next time we're going to be expected to come back and rethink this. And so I don't know if we wouldn't necessarily be proposing a new connection a new roadway across 55th if that's what you're suggesting maybe i'm missing that Tila.

[56:01] Suggesting something for the more vulnerable users you don't want the day for all the way to arapahoe or bama. So now i'm not really actually talking to road. Right, then I would say that the opportunity is when we really look at 55th street in a more focused way than we have. Okay. Alright that's mostly what I have tab anyone else. I appreciate that this is a years many years long effort and it's coming to a real. A real conclusion here, so I do want to acknowledge the amount of effort and particularly gene you've been dragging this for a very long time. appreciate that. It looks like we have no further comments or feedback for you at this time.

[57:00] Okay well um Thank you so much for having us, and thanks for the feedback and, as I mentioned our next step is will be sharing. Your comments back with planning board and Council and we'll be using them to make to make updates so thanks for all the thoughtful notes and comments and it's great to see everybody. yeah. Thank you. Okay, thank you very much, we will move on now to matters gene is still here, look at that we're right on time. So i'm having. I know right. what's different this month, no. Alright, so first up the doctor Kong tip improvements. We had a little preview last month and now genius back to fill us in a little bit more.

[58:03] Great well Thank you so much i'm Jane sansone principal transportation planner and I going to take a minute to share my screen so bear with me. All right, can you guys see the title slide. Yes, okay wonderful yeah so thanks for having me back this evening, and so we have been updating tab over the last few months, as we prepare to identify those projects that we would like to submit for the. Dr Cox sub regional transportation improvement program or tip as we affectionately call it applications we've made some progress since our last update to tab and I want to share that with you this evening.

[59:00] So just as a reminder, as we identify projects that we think would be good candidates for grant funding, there are a couple things we take into consideration both projects that are going to be competitive in the doctor colleague. field as well as those projects obviously that advance or transportation master plan goals and I thought it would be a good idea to just share the tip criteria with you all, so you understand both the quantitative and qualitative. data that we submit as the as part of these application so 30% of the criteria is related to the regional impact of the proposed projects if, for example, do we provide benefits to multiple most municipalities through implementation of this project. And then 50% is related to these six categories from the metro vision regional transportation plan that you see below safety active transportation air quality multimodal freight and regional transit. 10% is then associated with project leveraging and 10% with project readiness, in other words, can this project be done within the time frame of the tip and what sort leveraging really relates to the type of match that you're prepared to make.

[60:12] If you receive these federal funds, and you know I bring this up, because I think that this criteria is very much in alignment with the type of criteria that we've used to compare the projects to each other and you'll see more of that in a minute. But I think I have shown this slide to you before, but essentially the. Candidate projects that we identified are all within the course material network, as well as on finance the Northwest area mobility study network so. We think that you know this longer list, and I think we're you know those projects we identified that at least at an initial cut would be good candidate projects. And i'm going to pause for just a minute, because I was remiss in acknowledging the.

[61:00] Council member and Nicole spear who's with us this evening till I know that you, you acknowledged her earlier, but what I want to say is that Nicole, is our. Is the CDS represented on the Dr cardboard, so I just want to acknowledge her presence this evening and thank her for her service as they evaluate these projects it's it's a big lift, let me tell you, for the board, so thank you, Nicole. Okay, so getting on with it the candidate project evaluation, so what you see here is the application of the criteria to those 15 projects that you looked at on the map. And the projects that are highlighted in yellow are those that we are recommending to submit as tip grant applications either. In the second or the fourth sub regional call for projects, so if you recall the second sub regional call will happen. In May and June of this year and the fourth call will be at the end of the year in the December January timeframe. So, based on tap feedback we've made one refinement to the criteria that I want to point out.

[62:01] we've updated the bmt and ghd reduction criteria, acknowledging that both transit infrastructure and bicycle infrastructure have a role to play in reducing vehicle miles traveled so you'll you'll see that change. Since our last updated tab we've also had a chance to conduct a more rigorous safety and equity analysis of each project, as well as update project costs. And then also note at the bottom of this list that we've added a project along baseline which i'll explain more as I walk through in a little more detail, each of the projects that we're recommending to submit for tip grants, so let me go ahead and do that. So the first project that we'd recommend for a tip grants the middle is a preliminary design of the 30 street corridor between arapahoe and iris or Colorado 119. And you know, a couple things here, you might find it noteworthy that this quarter has the second highest equity rating. Meaning that it would serve a large population of low income residents populations of color zero car households transit dependent and populations with disabilities.

[63:08] This quarter also when compared to the other projects has the second highest number of fatal and serious injury crashes, so a huge potential to move towards our Vision Zero goals and you gave the crashes that are happening along this cord or. i'm going to move on to the next project. And so we made a few changes here, and as you recall, we were looking at two different projects, the last time we met one was the intersection improvements at broadway and table Mesa and the other was broadway in Regent transit priority intersections. You know we're fairly confident that si dot will contribute funding to these projects from their 10 year plan. So with that what we're proposing for tips and middle. is to actually jumpstart and get the design work done, as well as include the feasibility and design a business access transit lanes to speed up travel for the large volumes of traffic transit passengers that use broadway.

[64:07] And so, with that we've estimated that that would be approximately 480,000 to complete the design of that project. The next project that we would recommend for the second call is the US 36 or 28 street West side multi use path between four mile Canyon creek bridge which you see here and broadway for us 36. And so, this is an important project for the city in that it completes the 20th street multi-use path. from the south end of the city, all the way to the northern extent providing a safe and comfortable separated path for bicyclists and pedestrians. and completing a gap in our city wide low stress welcome back network, and you know it's also worth mentioning here that this project but compared to the others. The other 14 had the highest number of fatal and serious bicycle and pedestrian injuries and crashes with two fatalities and 17 serious injuries between 2015 and 2019 so again, you know huge opportunity to mitigate those sorts of crashes with this project.

[65:18] Next project, and this is a new one and in many thanks to tab Members who have helped us to identify this project and added to the list. And so, based on feedback we received we're proposing to add the baseline enhanced transit stops and protected bike lanes between 30 street and foothills parkway project. And you'll notice that we still have work to do in terms of scoring it against other projects. As well as determining what the cost would be but it's our expectation that if we're successful tip funds could supplement the improvements that are being planned in conjunction with the pavement management project on baseline. To create more permanent features such as floating bus stops, along with protected bike lanes.

[66:05] So now moving on to call number four So these are longer range. This project, the West Colorado avenue multimodal improvements project between region and folsom will complete the Western segment of the Colorado quarter project. With protected bike lanes transit lanes and a consolidated transit stop similar to what you see at broadway in euclid today, and we have a high degree of confidence that see you will partner in this project. Next, in terms of projects that we would submit for the fourth call would be cholera seven arapahoe and 30th street multimodal interested in multimodal I want to say infrastructure intersection I got it. And so what's neat about this project is that using state funds we're initiating preliminary design of this project, this year and that's going to give us an opportunity to evaluate all potential engineering solutions, keeping in mind.

[67:04] That this is a state highway and will be coordinating closely with feedback to both meet our local objectives, as well as he does standards. right also note that our tip request may be substantially less with additional state funding which we should have more information on later this year. And then, lastly, the Colorado seven arapahoe bridge replacement over boulder creek. Also located on the core material network and whenever our highest priority names cord, or is this project will replace a structurally deficient bridge and. So, while the segment of rapper does not have a large number of crashes, it does have the potential to result. In serious injury and loss of life, should the structure fail so you'll notice that red circle when it comes to safety, because it is. it's a little bit of a different animal when we compare safety at this location, as compared to crashes at other locations.

[68:01] An important aspect of this project is that C dot will prioritize and fully fund replacement of the north deck allowing us to leverage these tip dollars even further and build a single span bridge designed to meet the vision of the East arapaho transportation plan. So what's next so based on the feedback that we received tonight we will refine the initial about evaluation and project definition. In terms of the purpose of each project, the cost you saw some updated costs, this evening, as well as the schedule, we have prepared an update for Council that they will be receiving as an informational briefing on march 15. And what we're going to do is take that information and submit abstracts one page abstracts on each project to. The boat Dr card boulder county separation form technical committee, I know that's a mouthful but that's basically the staff. That works at the count at the county level and maintenance, made up of all of our local jurisdictions within the county and that staff will review each of the abstracts and give us feedback as to how.

[69:09] Competitive and likely they would think this these projects would fare in the doctor colleague tip process. Then, in April, we will take project feedback from that committee, as well as Community engagement will probably be holding at least one virtual i'm not sure if we're going to be in person, yet, but at least a virtual. Engagement opportunity, as well as getting this information out on be heard folder on may 9 will come back to you looking for a recommendation and then we'll take this information to city council for their endorsement on may 17. So that was a lot of information, I will pause for questions comments and feedback. Thanks gene. Alex I think you've seen these already is that right.

[70:03] yeah Ryan, and I got a preview of the lesson, the opportunity to ask some questions and we provided some preliminary feedback on some products we like more than others and fast for the inclusion of the baseline product is blown. Good Okay, so you got a photo credit on the baseline slide. Do you so i'm gonna let you lead on this one, then, do you have any initial any further feedback any thoughts, these are these are new to me. Sure, I think it's important to note that we have we're trying to accomplish a lot of stuff by 2030 and we only have a handful of tip cycles remaining and so it's important that we do. a ton of impact with these these limited options, and I think sometimes that means not necessarily getting the most money but spending the money in the most cost effective manners and so i'd be somewhat reluctant to. Go after projects that exceed 2 million or so with the fear that we can have one project that.

[71:05] We don't we don't even want $5 million projects, for example, and it'd be better to try to win three to four in the one to $2 million range that are more longitudinal improvements, especially over just intersection improvements. and I think some that gave myself and Ryan some pause where the the cost associated with the arapaho and 30th intersection. What we saw was originally $5 million and $36 million I think it's been reduced to five, and when we look at the design that was incorporated into the 33rd quarter quarter corridor study we see a little bit of improvements for people bicycling with some curbs. Perhaps our backup curb or some some bike improvements that help get people through that intersection. But it's a it's a incredible distance for people to walk, which is very uncomfortable.

[72:02] It it's unclear what the transit improvements are it's on a future brt cord or but rebuilding the intersection as is we weren't sure if it didn't seem to be dedicating transit only lanes or anything like that. But what it really did seem to be doing was preserving auto capacity we've got. Double left turn lanes for all of the approaches which are only needed in the maybe the PM peak, and the reason why this intersection was so expensive as we understood, it was the need to acquire right away for those those bicycle improvements. And so it seems like we could save some costs here by reducing the right away need by going from two left turn lands at every approach down to one. Because I think it'd be incredibly ironic if we use stuff an entire tip cycle on something like this and then a blocked our ability to. build protected bike lanes north of here the $6 million protected intersection wouldn't do a cyclist a whole lot of good if it doesn't connect to anything on the other end of it.

[73:07] I think i've got a little bit of a philosophical disagreement with staff on the bmt in greenhouse gas reductions that could take place on 30th street. And I think so many thousands of people who live in close proximity to such a rich area when it comes to destinations it's got grocery stores up and down at tons of retail in the middle. And then connections to goose creek boulder creek for pets and bikes and then baseline arapahoe and the diagonal are all east, west regional transit quarters intersect this so. To me, providing people with a safe place to walk and bike along here with such great such a richness of destinations nearby seems like a massive opportunity to create a livable streets and and reduce ght and and bmt. Ryan what am I messing.

[74:00] Well i'm i'm a junior life difficult by sending you my own comments and then getting together with Alex and then. You excited yeah joining on with with some additional options, but my main my main thought on this is sort of common to both and it's um. it's it's summarizing the first the first bullet point on which, on the Alex and it says integrate the most impact and really be focused on what what impact means, and I think. gee why we had such a good discussion about okay so with the rubric this that has used to to initially start to prioritize the number. or the number is there, you know, thoughtful analysis going into the columns and then, if you dig under Okay, but the call Center bmt. What what is like what is underneath that and I think you know your team did a great job of using what you had just sort of like within the team, but. It just feels to me like i'm generally You know, as I said, like Yes, some informed ideas about where we're going to get into production I don't know that we have a unified idea about what what is the change monitoring the introduction.

[75:11] And this isn't specific to this proposal, I think it's just back to inside of the common me that question of like How does this fit into the. tmp gold most shifting in the production, so I think you know that's a it's a separate exercise of it's bigger it's a bigger exercise makes a bigger but let's say. it's got its own arc of work that's needed for that um my hope would be that we can at least get that started here and say like what what do we really believe. is going to cause gh T and the in particular that was our gc reduction through bmt decreases in particular how much of this are we expecting to come from regional inner city transit versus doing the work to restaurants locally. We you know, and this is a lot of.

[76:01] Professional judgment needed, you know, in addition to data to do this right, but I would just love to see a little I guess just a little more kind of logic in this and and be able to say, and therefore this is how we're going to support people so sorry that's like a super big idea. But other than that I think Alex you know, he did you go did you go through the comments point by point, I mean there's there's a lot of great I think detail ideas on some of the different projects that you know come from from Alex and expertise that I can't. Take any credit for. So I did that okay. Do you have any response any feedback any. Good just it occurred to me at the end of ryan's come and say you know Alex had a whole bunch of point by point, via deals and I go well with words I big picture guidance here. yeah. Interestingly, my my one I had two thoughts, one of which Alex already said, which was around point we're looking at an intersection improved that improvement.

[77:10] particularly one that starts eating up significant budget let's make sure it's actually connected to something so we're not improving it for nothing. So alex's point about 30th street and the 30th and. arapahoe intersection being perhaps the primary example and and and the other thing was I was a little wasn't clear around the bridge the bridge thing, and whether we really want to use tip for the bridges. versus other things I know there's massive infrastructure bills going through that are amy and things like bridges I don't know what what mechanisms. are in place, yet you guys know more about that to me, but I would not want to prioritize things that are purely vehicle purchase right now in the hopes that monies to fix those sorts of things are working their way through separately.

[78:11] So again, can you respond to that last point about the arapaho bridge replacement, in particular, if it's just a cars, I mean, I see that the be. filled in the bubble that says includes transit priority and bicycle infrastructure but it's basically fixing what's deficient there now and putting back stuff in place it's already there that about right. Well, actually when it's rebuilt, it will be rebuilt, to the east arapaho cross section, so that include. The rays protected bike lanes that lanes etc so that's the work that's going to be happening, this year, as we do preliminary engineering along the quarter so it's certainly not the intent to build back what's there now. And from what I know about additional funds being available for these types of projects, Dr Cox is programming, the Federal the federal infrastructure dollars that we know are available now so.

[79:03] So those are factored into these increased funding levels that we're seeing in the tip program between 2022 and 2027. So. rich. would include a protected bike lane and a multi use path over the creek. So that's the if you go back to the vision concept for the East around the transportation plan that is the intense, but we need to do the preliminary engineering work to understand you know what that what those actual dimensions would look like. Would it be possible to just do a little tell us path, if we were to move forward with building this is like North broadway where we needed to close to $2 million gap, and if we just narrowed. The pastor bill walking and biking in an area where they're they're not getting in and out of cars are accessing driveways or stopping to access anything. prosecutors move people a little quicker on something narrower.

[80:00] Yes, that's a really great point, and you know those are exactly the type of conversations we want to have as we became the primary engineering project. Right now. Already, that this bridge and particularly it's really the it's worn down because of its moved so many cars for so many years, I saw the north bridge has been there since 1938. And from a petabyte perspective it feels like really redundant facility with the confluence of the boulder creek path in the past, through each folder there are our pet bike network to me feels fairly complete here, and this is really just replacing a potentially deficient auto facility. that's what it felt like to me to its way I kind of wanted to dive into that one a little bit more and. I pulled up the notes that Ryan, and I sent a staff would it be helpful for me to. Maybe highlight a few more things that we included in that.

[81:02] sure. And Ryan, please hop in if if you if you can so 33 we see a lot of value, just like I mentioned earlier in the greenhouse gas and bmt reduction. The 30th in arapahoe again it felt like it was the cost burden, there was the preservation of PM left turning capacity which seemed like a way to undermine the protected bike lanes on 30. And if the the brt on state highway seven as effective than perhaps you won't need the double left turn lanes on to the prt corridor as well. The broadway bus lanes. I think there's a neat opportunity for. northbound plane at regions. That, I think, would cost somewhere in that neighborhood of a billion dollars, we were asking why the table mason broadway project was so expensive and it wasn't super clear why it would be a million and a half, so I think before elevating that too much exhausting any potential low cost.

[82:08] Design alternatives would be. would be great. And then we had the question of what about just using payment markings and signage establishing the lanes between baseline and table may says as. Bus and right turn only. Just to do it's cheap first. And the payment space and then any event that we need some support from others commencing a corridor study with that outcome in mind as soon as possible, to hear from stakeholders like see that what they might need to see in the way of. Vehicle modeling or benefit from the transit writer perspective. But I like how those were sort of lumped together as on the same slide for this.

[83:03] And then yeah the arapaho bridge like we said it felt like this expensive on a permanent basis while we're still at a point in time, where we have the opportunity to do some some lower cost things. and getting to the point of trying to do the most good it's true that the tips I opportunity presents up to 80% cost savings where we are. Using our 20% local match to get the Ad, but I think with political will and in the right environment City Council can give us a 90% discount on a four to three conversion on a street like iris. And perhaps that's where we can do, do the most good with the money we have might not be chasing these these really expensive. projects that are in name pet bike in transit, but on the State highways, where that's sort of your last choice if you're a human out on foot or on your bike you might want to see investments on other corridors.

[84:04] And then the the US 36 multis path felt effective on a cost per length basis and we weren't aware, at the time that. There were some crashes there i'm curious what type of crashes they they were that was that people traveling along it or was it at these intersections. or people crossing the cord or where the problem is really the high speed of vehicle that intersections or is it people is a card spiriting out of the road and that's the problem that the multis path that actually solve. This big bridge path. pose that. This is the four mile Canyon to broadway path. yeah yeah. That felt like there wasn't much there on the the corridor itself on the North East side of the street there aren't a whole lot of destinations. And then to the West, the neighborhoods didn't feel very permeable there weren't many points to actually access the path. And we thought that to provide the most walking and biking connectivity for the people who live up there.

[85:05] That focusing on streets that were more internal to the neighborhood like collectors and our tools internal to the neighborhood would be the better way to connect people to destinations with with the hope of producing bmt. Okay well but that's been thinking for a long time and now we're here finally sounding the alarm, this is let's pay attention to MIT and improve Stefan cereals and here's, one that does it. Does it desire. For sure. So, in terms of is this worth the cost that's the one that kind of raises flags, for me, and so i'm really quite interested figure, you know your thoughts on that one. And of course the, the number of fatal and serious injury crashes, is something that always Piques my interest and prioritizing things for me, but it seems pretty darn expensive for. to sort of extend the facility there's not heavily used right now, that being said, if we don't build this stuff they won't come so.

[86:05] I think this multi use path extension for me is probably the more the most. questionable one, I think. Like I would be I would be disappointed if we submitted all of these and all week, and what we got back what we got funded was multis path in the arapaho bridge. replacement that would feel to me like not as successful. Casting the net. anyone else. I think Eric has her hand up sorry the job, and I was gonna ask something at an Alex but she was first one. Okay hi Erica I just have to scroll through the view because of the. Sorry that's okay. I if tampers, could you please proceed and so forth in and i'll just leave some points at the end.

[87:03] Okay Ryan. So for the for the other non engineers out there are two things that I think are that I found interesting to decide without with Alex to generalizable more or less generalizable principles. So one on the 30th and arapaho that the reason for eliminating to. The devil left turn lane multiple reasons, but one of those is because the the distance to to cross the road as a pedestrian is a lot wider with a double double turbine so there's a direct conflict with reducing the. or increasing accessibility and safety for pedestrians every time you have a wider roads like this, so you know it's, not just because you know to produce the delta turn lane there's a there's a real there's a real cost. In envision zero and most chefs and bmt to double trend line, so I understand there's reason why why those have been been added, but I just you know this it's it's a cost.

[88:06] The other one is the just in terms of generalizable principles, the region there's a there's an example of a an intersection at regions, whereas it broadway. And it's it's using a. Protected bus line at the intersection with with the idea of signal time to give the bus priority to scoot out ahead of traffic. Which number one gives the you know gives gives the best priority but number two it gives us a chance to hold traffic weather where it's going to be congested outside of the city core or outside of areas where we're. really trying to have more. More biking pet traffic and. We talked quite a bit about this and it's a tool that we can we can use a city to it's going to be card and gesture to keep it out, out of the core of what we're trying to have. More more vulnerable users, so I would just be very interested to see a strategic use of that this seems like maybe that's a good intersections work but also elsewhere on.

[89:10] My thoughts. Thank you. anyone else. Okay Erica What would you like to say. Thank you for the opportunity to speak, he just wanted to be able to say two things one is that. to recognize and say that I really truly appreciate and support you know the perspective of trying to shift modality away from the automobile toward pedestrian and bicycling and transit modes of travel and you know it's one of the things that I personally have. strive for, and have supported throughout my professional career but That having been said, i'd also like to recognize that the list as far as the bridge is concerned.

[90:05] I understand you know, a perspective of not wanting to further accommodate vehicle travel and so forth, but if the condition of the bridge is such that. It seriously does need to be replaced as opposed to anything else because of safety conditions I would advocate that. At least I have a fiduciary responsibility to a city to avoid normally loss of property, but last life, and I think that that is one perspective to that needs to be in the mix of things because. It we've seen marriages collapse elsewhere in the United States with varying degrees of impact and implication, so I just wanted to flag that. And it's not an argument, either for or against certain modalities it's just an argument for safety that's really where the core tmp principles, I guess, then the other thing that I wanted to know is.

[91:13] we're taking in and receiving all the feedback that you know you've offered and so forth, that the end of the day we really want to bring those elements forward and began to make that. shift in terms of modalities so that we're less car dependent within the Community, but just recognize, we also have to be competitive with our colleagues and other cities and elsewhere in the region to be able to receive funds and. In our current tmp at least we have a multimodal transportation master plan that has a lot of things in it, many of them are very costly and so. it's just something to keep in mind again it's not an argument, either for or against certain modalities but it's just a just a flag so that's all I would offer in terms of discussions.

[92:07] Thank you yeah now I recognize that the The sub Regional Committee has given me back yet to staff on these, and that that kind of assessments, going to be an important part of of which of these you proceed with or how how urgently. We proceed, I would just want to say. Erica your first point about having a duty to preserve the system more or less, and this is a conversation we've had with previous directors as well is you know, a recognition that the previous system as Dean spoke to earlier. Just straight up you know it was slightly slanted toward motor vehicles and private motor vehicles and to some extent we're trying to preserve that balance, and so I think her. clarification that the bridge would have in mind that the bridge replacement which right to meet the Cross section, with a multiuse path that are protected bike lane, you know given.

[93:09] Given assessment of the capacity there. is helpful, but it comes with the guarantee that it would put all four of these motor vehicle lanes still back and so kind of preserve some of that imbalance that we're trying to correct. And secondly, Dean had said leads deficient now but I haven't heard anywhere that it's going to you know where where in the useful life, it is so we just went through replacing. A difficult to use an Ada noncompliant overpass over the foothills parkway to have a beautiful underpass, but it was a $6 million project ish. And it didn't feel like a good good use of our money. It felt like spending a whole lot of money to avoid the elephant of the room, which is it's not a safe place for bicycles and people across because it's a six lane highway there high speed traffic I think that's the same question that Alex and I have about.

[94:05] The multi use past. Four mile Canyon creek broadway. project is this a very expensive way of making something very pretty but is there a less expensive way that might actually achieve our goals, better of making these vulnerable users more. Connected more visible and sort of claim of space on our on our roadways and on arterial so that they don't have the opportunity to do now. Is is the bridge deficient, is it does deficient mean it's a year 45 and 40 your design life is for the the overpass that we replaced it had, I think a 60 year life, and it was at 50 years and maybe it was a 50 year design like we were 40 years. yeah I don't have the specifics on it, I don't know if Garrett, but I can, I can tell you that see that would not be putting any money to it if it wasn't top of the list for replacement.

[95:10] yeah. understood. Okay, any other feedback oh Alex hi you have your hand up. I think, with the normal answer British default so that but it'd be helpful to to hear why projects like that and 30,000 and arapaho are. expected to reduce bmt and gh T, the way that the table implies, and then it will also be beneficial, I think, for me to understand when we do our tip we go project by project or program by program and show the cost breakdown by by motive travel and on these. To me, they feel like 90 plus percent auto capacity preservation and.

[96:02] If that's if the reality is, we need to replace the bridge I think it's worth noting that we're replacing a bridge that moves a ton of cars and it's in the status that it's in because it's moved a ton of cars for the last. Eight years and what we're putting back and continue to move a bunch of cars for the next 50 and it's just important to know that note that when we look at our our. overall spending that that we might not be investing with with our top priorities, it might just be the preservation of the things that haven't been working. Okay. Gary came on camera and do you have information for us Garrett, or just here. yeah sorry i've got a delay on my computer here, I just wanted to note that the the bridge is over 80 years old. The westbound bridge and the sufficiency rating is in the 30s bridge efficiency ratings are. an indicator of the health of a bridge and are rated between a scale of zero to 100 and typically when they fall below 50 rating they get on see dots radar and they don't typically start looking at putting money in.

[97:14] and replacement of structures such as this until it gets into the 30s and 40s so as Jeanne noted it's definitely on the radar because of works falling on the sufficiency rating and as. He Okay, thank you that's helpful. There to structures correct it looks like the northern one is the original on this other one might be newer is are the both structures at the same efficiency rating. know the the the eastbound lanes the southern structure is much better condition. And it looks like the roadways like 38 feet from curb to curb would there be an opportunity to preserve that structure and in the interim. expand the five foot sidewalk whatever it is to maybe put sidewalk and slight the guardrail over a little bit so that we don't have to reconstruct it provided a template facility.

[98:03] Yes, exactly. And again, this is a C dot structure, so we would be. have to defer to the State bridge engineer's office but one possibility is that the westbound lane structure would be fully reconstructed and if it's deemed that the. The southern eastbound lanes structure is in decent condition that it could be reinforced and upgraded and not removed and added on to and not and connected to the westbound lane structure. Okay kind of like the table my situation would be great to explore all the potential cost saving options and reduction and left turn lanes at 30% arapaho. Before we make massive commitments that really eat up our multimodal improvement budget on things that are inherently somewhat the preservation of the status quo.

[99:03] Thank you. All right, I think we've exhausted this um. I guess, I have one question for staff. Okay um I spoke to some folks that see you last week, and they were. They were talking about around about at folsom in Colorado is that something that you guys have been recorded nation on a notes that overlaps with the pavement management program project for us and potential tip project. I can speak to that not sure if you've got other information but yes we're aware of their. their desire for around about at that intersection it's not something that we are looking at incorporating with our tip application, but we're we're aware that that's something that is a long term goal and objective for now. Okay, and then it felt like since we're talking about baseline that the the 35th street intersection is something that we're in sort of coordination or see you has looked at the need for signal there to get buses out of.

[100:12] Their parking lot where the new dorms are and that's something that we're about to potentially seek some grant money on and talking to the city and and university staff, it seems like there's a need for coordination on that one. Okay now we're going to leave it there. Thank you. Jason Garrett, thank you. yeah Thank you, this has been really helpful appreciate it. Well, thanks, very much. There is everybody okay um any other managing staff. Okay we're moving on to manage from the board. We got an email the tab retreat date is my frozen.

[101:01] frozen on one of these, the tab retreat date is April 25 i'm not clear whether it's from five to 10 or six to 10. But in any event hold that evening open all of you who will be on tab. Six to 10 Okay, there you go that's better. Anything else i'm not really sure what's going to we're going to be virtual but other than that we haven't really determined what the shape of the. What the retreats going to look like, and I think we'll just look to help from CD staff on figuring that out, and quite possibly the next year is going to be able to figure that out better. Okay, to sorry, can I ask about that. Please yeah i'm just i'm very interested in what the what the agenda is and just being strategic about it and it's you know being driven by what tag needs to do.

[102:01] You want to do in my mind something we would we would benefit from I talk a lot and i'll probably talk more tonight about how i'd like to see a greater strategic. logic in a lot of the things we talked about and, and I say that to staff, but I also think that, as tab in one sense we we would do staff, a favor if we were to say. here's our here are the five things that we, we are going to you know continue and go back to and really care, the most about going ahead, just my opinion. But. That, I think that this could be a time for that, and I would i'm. not sure about I was, I would prefer to look to tab to figure out what do we want to do, and then and then give staff, a chance, I don't I don't join this mini. Agenda setting meeting, so I might be speaking on turn a little bit, but this seems to me like a really potentially important meeting that i'd love for us to you know I guess just be really thinking about how it's going to feed into the figure. yeah. So to answer.

[103:02] Yes, traditionally that has been a time for tab to set its own priorities when that has happened in the past and it's been solely led by tab members, it tends to bear zero resemblance to anything that's on staffs radar or ability to tackle within a year. And so they're there, I think, to make tabs work useful, there has to be at least be some reference to what the staff work plan is. And some idea of what is a rational kind of set of goals, I think the way that you stated, is sort of our priorities and I think that's great, and I think that's going to be a very useful bit of discussion. There was also in the last two year from city staff and from the city manager's office. A desire to sort of make certain elements of every board retreat. covered things like here's what the scope of the Board is and talk about you know, are the emerging thinking on diversity and inclusion and.

[104:09] Checking for the city attorney's office, and so there were certain things that that had been kind of. From my perspective, couch as much must touch on subjects and they ended up taking up much more of the tab retreat last year than I would have wanted so. Thank you for that input, I am absolutely welcome rethinking it and having more involvement by all Members on on what that retreat agenda should look like Erica. So I guess the thing we'd like to say is that would be really nice if we were able to both go into and come out of the. If you already booked going and come down to the retreat with a level of alignment, there should be at least two items on the agenda and so it's tailored mentioned diversity and inclusion and so.

[105:01] there's some trainings that i'm going to be going to in the next couple weeks that will give more structure around that. As a board liaison but then the second thing, obviously, is can, and I think that is a place in space where there's a high level of. desire there's direction by Council and more you know I think we're in a place in space together and in terms of other wants needs and desires that tab may have. it's also going to be, you know, a discussion about where there's bandwidth and capacity to be able to accommodate those things, and so, just as much as we've done with. At the Council retreat when Council had a whole slew of things that they wanted to have looked at, there was also the recognition that there were trade offs and there you know we can't we, and I say we it's all of us we can't get everything done all at once, within that same year, so.

[106:06] I think that's an important element, also to consider, in the midst of all this about our collective capacity. Okay. Thank you, and then, once I are to circle, a little bit back on that once our new members are seated. I think it would make a lot of sense for me and Alex as the current chair and vice chair to reach out to them individually and sort of gather their thoughts and priorities. Before the next meeting happens. Just in terms of trying to help shape the the yeah to make the the retreat useful, I know, typically new members kind of take a backseat because they're new to everything but with two new people we're going to have to. kind of get them on a on a faster conveyor belt.

[107:04] So, and I have to think about how we can do that, and you know not violate open meetings rules and things like that, but that's sort of my thinking, I was planning to reach out to to them and Alex. to figure out some more nitty gritty retreat plan, but by all means right if you have other thoughts I don't mean to shut you out of it at all. But we're gonna have to be thinking about this, and just because of open meetings, we have to kind of talk about it more in this kind of form and there's only three of us at the moment for that. that's fine you got my two cents, maybe one just clarification, though. Maybe what i'm asking for doesn't have to happen at the retreat and maybe you know, I think, last year we had to go through a bunch of compliance stuff and. The meaning you knows you know, frankly, just kind of atomized with a lot of little things, and if we have to go through those lot of things fine um but I don't think that that means we should you know. A chance to have a strategic plan and have this part of that strategic plan if we don't have the resources for things.

[108:04] To add up what the what the cost is so City Council can see that and make a you know, a values decision about what it, what do we do about it right that's i'm going into the substance so anything. Thanks Thank you so much. Okay. Other open board comments. Anyone have stuff they want to raise Alex. I just like to know that a boulder the cycle, which has been a great Community partner for the last 11 years hit their 1,000,000th trip in their system and it's exciting to see and I that I caught up with Kevin cross their executive director last week, and he said that with how successful. The devices on campus have been that they think that they're going to see drastic earth in the in the network and their system rather. It sounds like the ridership almost doubled last year, with the introduction of the electric devices and they think that the trip the paths of 2 million might only take three or four years.

[109:08] So that was something that was on life support for several years, they seem to figure out the getting a. bypass in the hand of every students and electrifying the fleet and trying to have a station within every thought that within a five minute walk of everyone campus is. is really working, and it was also sharing to hear that now they're starting to look at how they can expand so nauseous stations on campus but places that student want to students want to go. And it's cool to see how much overlap, there is with that and the course material network where 30th street and baseline are corridors that students need to travel along and so there's an opportunity to coordinate both the expansion of the. Multi billionaire that shared mobile mobility device network with the protected bike lane network and hopefully help we can help them out as well in that regard.

[110:05] hey. And because we have this handy dandy list at the bottom now a feature agenda topics with we're gonna be talking more about the micro mobility program and pilot, and may it looks like. This great anybody else for open comment. yeah. I. mean i've done my sort of last word saying so, I guess, in terms of this going forward process I. haven't haven't felt sort of my role to to chip in. i'll jump in I got. So so two things that I just wanted to elevate or I guess kind of raise the profile of input from the Community, and now that we have Friday and Rebecca from metro Manila to acknowledge them, but in any case.

[111:00] i'm just. Just for the benefit i'm so sorry. On my notes here. So i'm mark, we talked about mark before you left in the in the snow and ice discussion, and you know soon, I understand you have a commitment from staff to talk about updating snow and ice removal or maintenance. But I wanted to talk about a different aspect of this and it's i'm mark and I had been putting our heads together and it. prompted to meet some meetings with Community Members representing disability community, in particular, I mentioned earlier, I. I met with the lead contact for the Center for people with disabilities called Craig Taylor Community organizer and. He said email we're understaffed so staff and I and excuse me to tab and I think some staff members have probably seen it. I just wanted to summarize it here, and can you know suggest some maybe ways forward. I know I don't want to discuss all the policy it's not i'm probably not the best person to do so, but just to say for now that i'm Craig is eager to talk about snow and ice maintenance.

[112:10] Specifically on behalf of disability community, and he has some specific recommendations, but he also broaden his input to cover recommendations for all four seasons and i've been on to having a year and I can't remember us. including this Community, specifically, at least in discussions and i'm not saying it's. You know, completely neglected, in fact, he said, in fact, that cpw ED has had engagement with staff and he was also clear to say that. You know well, maybe they're a prominent organization they're not the only you know representative for the stakeholder group but i'm the main ideas he was eager to be involved with future discussion I thought future discussion on on this. topic or with this Community group would be very helpful towards our. goals of mode shifting um and just wanted to kind of raise this make sure this that this had folks attention at least now and if there's not an immediate next step on it that's fine.

[113:06] But i'm happy to facilitate any this, if I can maybe i'll just pause there and i'll talk to you have anything that, if not, I can keep going. You can you can keep going, I just wanted to note that Craig has been involved with so he was he was a very pivotal member of the. pedestrian. Pack advisory committee. So there was yeah I think it was a February, like snowstorm where they met at the library and my neighbor wheelchairs, so that. People who are not wheelchair bound could have a chance, and it was it was brought indoors, I think, because there was a snowstorm. Live isn't on right now just checked, but she can probably I wasn't at the event, where she could probably where I couldn't make that meeting. But she could probably fill you in on on what happened, but the but the irony, you know, was that people were going to figure out how difficult it was to get around the wheelchair, and then they couldn't were told to go inside and practice inside that that's the whole problem here so.

[114:09] it's a tough nut to crack but it's not one that we're unaware of go ahead. OK so maybe just to conclude So there you know just there, there is a. Policy that they have and, as I said, I haven't heard any discussion of it, at least in my ears look at the top, so I have no doubt that that might be on people's minds, but. To the extent that we get involved in any more planning strategy development change model, I think this would be an important point of every day at least consider. Yes, thank you. Okay, and the second thing also this came into day, I just wanted to acknowledge an email tab from resident think more and more deadly is I say your name correctly and he was on. On sick, the signal at broad broadway and iris and her question was what would the city ever consider making the crossing a default template so instead of the cars and she discussed to have she stands there you know again skills and it takes a long time it's five lanes of traffic.

[115:05] And I also have spent more time i'd like the intersection and waiting to cross and I guess it made me think two things one I would love for staff, just to give really give that consideration it totally makes sense to me, but secondly I also my intuition, is not what should. dictate any of this and it but, and so, therefore. I It makes me think what, what are the the menus of options that that we have at these types of intersections and then, what are the decision factors, or you know what one of the things we do to make the decision on what happens. I don't expect anything on the spot, right now, but it just struck me as one of those things where I think it seems like a little bit of a mystery mystery to Community members. And, and frankly policymakers, with the city outside of the core you know the very core team doing the the installations or the programming. And I doesn't seem like it should be industry, I mean I maybe i'm wrong, maybe there's reason to be ministry, but it strikes me that there's there ought to be a set of.

[116:03] Decision criteria, even if some of the criteria are objective and values based on the dish should be transparent. So anyway just just a thought if there's a chance to pick up on this becoming amongst your head would think it would be made for an interesting discussion and maybe the kind of thing that tab a staffer benefit tab tab even when you know. Thanks Eric has put her hand up. Do you want to respond first Erica. yeah just to let everyone know that we have been working on an Ada. Transition plan and so whenever your own jet whenever Jenny was here she was working on that, but Nathan Pope is finishing that up and. We work very closely with you know Craig and the team on the different projects, in fact, you know, focusing on in the department just met with him last week, so I just wanted to make sure that. tab new and the listing Community also knew that we are working on these issues um it just hasn't been.

[117:03] I guess fully daylight it yet and so forth, in terms of a draft, but that will also be something that comes forward to tab and you know with regard to you know the other issues about. Essentially, having what are called warrants to be able to make changes to you know our traffic signals and also you know crossings and so forth i've referred that email for a response by. You know by Devon jocelyn who's our principal traffic engineer, and so I will be getting more information on that, so I just want to make sure that you were aware of that. Thank you, and it looks like Alison has put a link to the the Ada self evaluation and transition plan in the chat. If you wanted to copy that and check it out Ryan that's where to find it thanks allison um. And just to follow up on ryan's. question about the the push buttons and when when can it be automated the warrens and all so related questions like this from tab members i'm from Community cycles.

[118:07] Several years ago, lead to at least a draft I think it's still in draft form but an attempt by boulder city of boulder to get. All of the stuff that was kind of in the one person's head, who was in charge of managing the signals and Trent and signal operations. onto paper, he has since retired and so we're glad we did that kind of download but there hasn't been a whole lot of progress, a refinement made it was basically an attempt to get down and what the current practices were. and not a whole lot of why and not a whole lot of from my recollection it's been several years since i've looked at it, but not a whole lot of. Discussion of what what that set point is when when we decided is warranted or it's not, and that is something that I and other TEAM members have had some back and forth with previous directors, urging them to you know have that be more.

[119:08] sort of more pedestrian anticipating and friendly going to pedestrians and it's it's something that it's an iterative. process, but we have a new director now, and now that now we have someone who wants to. pick up that that draft policies and look at it and think about it and, but at least we have the first step, which is something of this, a state of the Union sort of here's here's where we're at today. As of about four years ago, so, if I can find that i'll hand it off to Ryan so you'll have an idea of what what we where we left it last time we talked about it in depth. Okay. yep. The one other thing I wanted to raise tonight under obamacare comment is. Something that mark emailed us about. Late February. noting that you know just days after our last tab meeting there were two fairly meaty transportation related items that went to planning board and were presented to counsel and we hadn't heard anything about them.

[120:10] One was the transit village area plan and what was the fire station planning which included a cross section of 30th street and bluff street and knowing us, we probably would have had something to say, had we been alerted. and consulted on this, and so I think his main question was why why weren't we consulted and what what goes into the decision of when something goes before cab for at least input and when it doesn't. respond yes. So I feel like this is an odd case of me, being the director of transportation mobility, yet i'm trying to play a planning director and TV. But what I do know is that marissa i'm a Christmas chuck you have been having conversations with the planning folks as well as myself, and then some others, to try and.

[121:10] map out some pathways, and so they asked at Council before was to you know, look at concept plans and so forth, and certainly in the case of the. fire station three that concept plan had come before Council and they chosen not to call it up, but that was prior no significantly prior to the most recent you know discussions about you know. A staff in the planning and development services department you bring things forward with an explicit ask of counsel of question whether or not they wanted to call up developments with regard to you know other things, and so forth. I think that there's you know sort of a balance and things and that.

[122:01] My understanding is the planning board has a cop, has it was a judicial role and tap has an advisory role, and I think, from a legal standpoint, people are trying to look through how that. maps, together with all those things, and quite honestly I don't have all the details and specifics here in front of thing but that's what I know at this juncture. Well, thank you. Much for that cleared anything up for me really but. Any kind of follows on my my my complaint for last time that. You know, a discussion and presentation for continuing the open streets. In street dieting stuff came came and went to counsel without tab and what they're just there there's there are times when, at least, I think. It could be flagged for our attention, even if there's no staff input and maybe that's incumbent on us as Members of the Community any way to just be more aware of what's coming before Council from various other boards.

[123:06] But I did think that at least the fire station and the Cross section of their history and bluff street that was that was so obviously. Transportation related that I felt it was we were we're not having known about it. I you know was alerted we were alerted by a member of the Community, and so I at least had a chance to talk to David and sign before before that meeting. But I you know at that point, I could not consult with any of my other tab Members about it in case it did come back so our hands are a little time that way as well. you're muted Erica. So I think it's important to note that in the development review environment it's a different beast than in sort of a.

[124:04] Because there are legal logistic things that one wants what the one needs to deal with and. I don't feel like i'm the appropriate spokesperson on behalf of the city, because I don't know all the intricacies and so forth, and legalities. Here within boulder and certainly within the state of Colorado but. I do know that as a consultation so within the within the development review process the planning department has a consultative role as opposed to an advisory on. This specific advisory or review role and that were brought it in asked by our colleagues and planning and development services whenever to weigh in on things but. that's how the system works, and so I think that what you're asking for is that to have more engagement and involvement with that part of the transportation.

[125:07] mosaic of things that are out there and. I believe that that heart and from a process standpoint, has been trying to be able to identify where those touch points are and certainly within the concept plan. You know process, but then, just as as tonight whenever you reviewed the East area, you know the East area on Community suffering any plan that trying to get more touch points in earlier, as opposed to later in the process. yeah, so I think that is it perfect yet no, but when we were trying to make things to know that yeah. Okay, I think we're on the same page Erica I and i'm not asking for tab to be inserted in any kind of quasi judicial or determination, I suppose I was thinking of the same thing that you just raise just now, when we were consulted on the stamp on the east arapaho connections.

[126:07] plan that when we had our first joint meeting with with planning board. It was so striking to me how Members of planning board and members of transportation work you the exact same map in really different ways, and so what concerns me is when something very streaky like the Cross section of 30th street goes before planning board. I want to make sure that whatever decision that they make is as informed as possible and I felt that they probably. had not and I think this is borne out with my by my conversation with David and saying they had not. had as much practice and thinking about this stuff and had not really paused to think about it in the way that someone who is more transportation oriented would. And so to the extent that we could make a more informed and better decision by planning or by Council by being asked to weigh in on these kinds of things, it will be better, and if we can't do it as full tab.

[127:09] For various reasons, and I would I would hope that we could just be, as I say, alerted and informed that this is going on and as particularly transportation minded people who have demonstrated and been in more and more involved than the average. Member of the Community on such things that we might want to focus on and weigh in on if not as full tab, at least in our individual capacities as opposed to reading about it in the paper two days later. I want to acknowledge that heard you. Thank you. I acknowledge, you have knowledge than pardon me. anyone else overboard comment. Much isn't going to read as a dirty Limerick on the way out or anything.

[128:01] i'm not your style. I see no other. No other hands for open board comment. I do see the future agenda topics pulled out. One thing we talked about at our last agenda setting meeting Erica was whether we were going to get an update from the boulder police department potentially in April or sometime soon I don't see that, on the future agenda topics. Yet I don't need an answer right now i'm just just remembering what we talked about before. It will be, and there was a meeting that we were supposed to have to with PD to do that, but it got canceled we're rescheduling it so we can get into the agenda. All right. Anything else from anybody. Okay. Well done touch. No last words. No last words, do you know, last motion to adjourn.

[129:00] So move. Very good. And Nicole says, thank you Kevin staff truly an honor to witness or care and concern for our city's something or other. But thank you, Nicole spear for joining us this evening, we always we do like to the Council members to what we do. Thanks to goal, thank you, Nicole did someone second hutches. yeah. Thanks Ryan alright, we are adjourn and we will see you, hopefully, as a team of five next month and hutch i'll see out there. ready, oh no see all you guys around. Take care have a good night.