April 14, 2025 — Police Oversight Panel Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] Um, so I think I'm all right. So we are officially recording. Um, I'll start off by reading our land acknowledgement. Uh, we acknowledge the Arapjo Ute and Cheyenne tribes, the traditional custodians of the land on which the police oversight panel and Boulder Police Department operate and pay our respects to their elders past and present. I also want to remind briefly our panel members of the agreements we made at our retreat earlier last year. Um hopefully we'll be making some new agreements with our new panel group soon, but just keep those in mind as we move forward into the meeting. Um I also want to welcome all of our members of the public and press to the meeting. Um and welcome to our panel members. I want to thank you all for being here. Know we're all busy. It's a it's a tough time as always. Um so thank you all for being here with us today. Uh all right. Uh one note for the

[1:02] public. Uh if you want to ask any questions, please use the Q&A. Um if you have small questions that you place in that Q&A chat, we'll try to answer them. Um but please save any bigger questions you may have on panel business or policy for public comment. We're planning to have public comment hopefully around 7:40 p.m. So, that's when you can expect that. Um, if you have complaints or you would like to send any questions after the meeting, um, you can find us online at bouldercol.govservices/pleass or you can email the panel anytime at police oversight panel bouldercol.gov. Um, and a final reminder, all these meetings, including this one, uh, are posted to our website, so you can find this recording anytime. Um, our agenda for tonight, I will do a brief screen share to take us through it if I can. Maybe I can't.

[2:01] We'll skip it. Uh, I'll read you through the quick agenda. Um, we'll start with, uh, approval of the agenda and minutes. Hopefully, we'll get into that momentarily. Uh we'll go into a quick update from our community outreach and engagement team. Uh we'll have our IPM report. Uh we'll go into some panel updates and ad hoc items. We'll have 40 as we discussed. And then we will go into a brief close 00 p.m. and wrap up with regular business um case review voting and assignments to new cases. So hopefully wrapping up by 8:30. Um so we'll start off with possible approval of the agenda. Do we have a motion? Roll call. Roll call. Oh, sorry that wasn't in my document. I'll fix that. Roll call. Let's start with that. Okay. Um Milen,

[3:02] uh Milan is excused. Uh they said earlier today they couldn't join today. Lizzy present. Kristen. Uh, absent. Um, Jason I'm here. Present. Donnie absent. Curtis. Oh, thought I saw him in here. Yeah, he was here earlier. Um, okay. Um, Chico present. Bill present. Alan here. AB here. Here. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Sher. Back to approval of the minutes. Do we

[4:01] have a motion? I'll move to approve. Agenda first. We were approving agenda. Yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry. Agenda. Okay, I second. Excellent. All right. All those in favor of approving last meeting's agenda or this meeting's agenda? Any opposed? Was that just a late approval bill or did you have a anything you wanted to discuss? It was just it was just late. Sorry, moving too fast. I was on vacation for a week, so a little slow. All right, agenda is approved. Next up, um, approval of the minutes. We have a motion. Almost. We need a second. Second. Thank you. A little more slowly this time. All in favor of approving the

[5:05] minutes. Great. Any opposed? All right. Minutes are approved. Thanks everyone. With that, we will move to an update from our community outreach and engagement team. Um I guess Bill is probably you today. That's me. I'm the team. Um and so um we event is here. So we can okay add that to our sorry so sorry. Welcome Curtis. Um were you going to say something else? No. Back to you, Bill. Okay. So, um, we have an event scheduled for the 22nd at the Trident, uh, bookstore on Pearl Street, and it's basically something Milan has been

[6:01] working on for a couple of months, and the the, um, date has been moving and moving, and I think we're solid for the 22nd. And Sher, I have in my calendar 6:30 to 8. Is that what you have or? Um, I think that's what I put in as the like save the date. Okay. Um, and and so I can get more information in terms of the timing from Milan, but if you don't know, the Trident, they have their coffee shop and bookstore, and then behind the building, they have this really nice um patio that has tables and chairs, which is typically where they do these types of events. And it's um basically an open call to the community to just come and meet with panel members and talk about what we do and ask questions and I'll be facilitating the um meeting. So um so we

[7:01] can just you know anybody everybody's welcome to attend for some or or all of it. And like I said it's just going to be open. So I have no idea how the conversation's going to go. We've just been talking about since I've been on the panel about how do we get our message out there and how do we um introduce ourselves and let people know what our role is on the panel. And so that's kind of the um the purpose of it. I don't know if there's any more you can add to that Sherry because I know you've been talking to Milan and Okay. So that's um that piece. I guess I would say that we do have a community engagement meeting this 30. So presumably any details will be finalized at during that conversation and if needed uh we'll update the calendar invit invitation in case we need to be there earliest. Great. And then um Curtis, it's nice to meet you. I hope

[8:00] one day I'll actually meet you in person. But for everybody else on the panel knows, and I'll just let you know if there's community events or opportunities for us to interact with some of the communities that you move in and out of, please just reach out to me and let me know. we can we're very collaborative and so um if there's something already set up or if there's a group of people that you think would be important for us to engage with we can also um just reach out to them through your network and set up these same types of kind of informal conversations um to let folks know you know who we are who we are excuse me and what we do. So, I just wanted to let you know that um that that's really just an open opportunity. Did you want to share something? I saw your hand up. Yeah, I was actually just trying to put a heart

[9:00] emoji. Um Okay, thank you for that. Um I'll make sure to reach out if I have something like that. Okay, cool. And um for now, uh Lizzie, that's all I have in terms of my update. Well, I'm waiting to meet with the connectors. So, that should be I'm hoping still sometime this month or early May. The last time I spoke with the coordinators, they were um running a new round of applicants. So, they were starting to get a new group of the connector folks on board. And so I'll check in with those folks sometime this week and kind of figure out um when they're when they're going to be seated and when we can figure out a time to meet with them. Yeah, Sherry, please. Um I also saw that um Boulder is opening up um like applications for summer events like block parties and things like that. So, that's something to that we should keep in mind, especially if we're um I believe talking with Edgar um to see

[10:03] when when they select those different um those different uh opportunities where maybe it would be appropriate for us to to have a table. Okay. So, they're they're just like it's an all call to the community for community events throughout the summer. Um I think it was more like block parties and things where the the city would come and bring some resources. Okay. Well, when I connect with the connectors group and he's part of that, I will be sure. Yeah. And ask that question too about um opportunities that they have set up where we could just bring a table and some flyers and talk with folks, meet people where they are. That's right. Okay, cool. Well, and um and Curtis, you're more than welcome to join us this Thursday as well if you're interested in in the community engagement group. We meet online and uh 30 to 6:30

[11:01] this Thursday, you said? Yes. Okay. And Sherry and Selena are really good about sending the links for the Zoom meeting as well. So, it should be in your inbox. Okay. Thank you so much. I'll try to be there. Okay. Okay, Lizzie, that's all I have unless anyone has any questions. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Bill. And thank you to Milen for when she watches this tomorrow. Um, we really appreciate all the work you guys are putting into this committee. Um, and I'll just reiterate for the rest of the group. Um, try to attend the event. Um, the more people we can have, the better. And as Bill said, um, you don't have to be able to make it for the full time to have an impact. So come when you can um and support the great work that Bill and Meen have been doing. All right. Uh we are extremely on time which is very exciting so far. We'll pass it over to Sherry for our independent police monitor

[12:08] report and can people see the screen? Yep. We've got it. All right. Okay. Look, here is uh April 2025 independent police monitors report and um sharing some information from March 2025. The panel completed three full case reviews. Um BPD has responded to all of those. So there are no case reviews where we're waiting BPD disposition and there are seven case reviews um that we are waiting for BPD to have uh completed their investigation and prepared for panel review.

[13:01] um completed cases since since March 1st, 2025. Um SM2024-00001. Um BPD was alerted by the Boulder County District Attorney that failure to timely disclose exculpatory evidence by officer 1 led to the dismissal of charges. Um sorry everyone. uh officer when when he was when he learned of these uh this disciplinary investigation, officer 1 immediately resigned and when he returned to his department issued mobile phone, it appeared to have been factory reset. Officer 1 had previously been notified that his communications were subject to a litigation hold for a separate manner matter. Um the allegations against officer one were a rule one um compliance with values rules and general orders general order 405 investigative process failed to appropriately maintain the case file andor appropriately

[14:01] maintain investigative notes andor maintain records of statements. Um the panel recommended and the department agreed that this allegation be should be sustained with a termination. Um he also had a rule one compliance with values rules in general order. General general order 203 investigative responsibility and case assignments failed to appropriately maintain detaile detailed case files in the records management system during andor after the investigation to prepare the case for court presentation. Again the panel recommended that this allegation be sustained with termination and the department agreed. Another rule one, City of Boulder litigation hold and data preservation policy failed to adhere to the city of Boulders's litigation hold policy. Um the panel recommended that this allegation be sustained and recommended termination and the department agreed. Um there was also a rule three truthfulness failed to accurately

[15:01] represent his investigation to the district attorney and or court. panel recommended this allegation be sustained and recommended termination and that was the department's final determination and uh rule eight conduct officer 1's representations to the district attorney and or court reflected unfavorably on him andor the department again the panel recommended that this allegation be sustained and recommended termination and that was the department's final determination um in addition the The reviewing panel members were concerned about officer 1's ability to delete BPD work product and data from his BPD issued phone. They recommend that BPD ensure that departing members of the department are warned from resetting or deleting their phones. And additionally, panel members recommended that BPD review its policy regarding iPhone profile and cloud storage to maintain ownership and control of BPD data in the future. Um

[16:01] panel members also request a training session on the duties and workflow of BPD supervisors including both detective and patrol units. Um Chief Redern's response um he confirmed that on December 22, 2023 when officer 1 resigned uh BPD reported to the Colorado peace officers standards and training this is post that he resigned while under investigation. And then on March 26th, uh, Red Fern instructed, um, his staff to update that entry in the post database to the category of resigned in lie of termination. Um, he said that he has also confirmed that officer 1 is not employed as a police officer in Colorado at present. Um, the panel was concerned with officer 1's ability to delete work product from his city phone. We have the same concern and are currently evaluating how we can have better access to employees phones and cloud data when we have reason to access. We are evaluating a couple of options to ensure that this issue doesn't happen again and I can let the POP know when we have a

[17:01] resolution. The POP also recommended that BPD review its policy on phone and cloud storage which will be done and the policy updates with any changes we make in the future. The the panel requests a training on the duties and workflow of BPD supervisors including both detective and patrol units. We are happy to provide this training if the independent police monitor recommends us to do so and I have talked with the department about that. SM204-005 BPD supervisors alerted leadership to concerns that officer 1 had not sufficiently investigated or documented multiple investigations. Officer 1's history um involved multiple sustained misconduct findings for insufficient investigations. Um for incident one um officer one had a rule one uh general order 203 investigative responsibilities and case assignments allegation did not conduct a

[18:00] sufficient investigation. The panel recommended that this allegation be sustained with termination and that was the department's final determination. Um, another rule one, uh, general order 2011, report writing did not document incident details accurately and/or thoroughly and or in a timely manner. Um, the panel recommended that this allegation be sustained with a 10-day suspension. Um, and the department determined this would be sustained and terminated. Um, rule one, integrity value, did not adhere to BPD sergeants instructions about completing reports and or did not receive BPD sergeant approval to delay completing reports. Um, officer uh the panel recommended this this allegation be sustained with a 10-day suspension. Uh, the department agreed that it should be sustained with termination. Um, rule one, compliance with values, rules, and general orders. integrity value did not request a BPD sergeant to the scene. After assuring

[19:00] that the arresty after assuring the arrestee that he could speak with a sergeant. Uh the panel recommended that this allegation be sustained with a two-day suspension. The department determined it was a not sustained allegation. Um rule one, general order 225, use of force displayed and or pointed his taser at a subject. Officer one described as a passive resistor. The panel recommended that this um allegation be sustained with a 3 to 5day suspension and the department's final determination was exonerated for that allegation. Um for incident two uh rule one general order 203 investigative responsibilities and case assignments did not conduct a sufficient investigation. The panel recommended that this allegation be sustained and the officer terminated which the department agreed. And another rule one general order 2011 report writing did not document incidents details accurately and/or thoroughly and or in a timely manner. The panel recommended not

[20:01] sustained for that allegation and the department agreed. And uh for incident three, rule one, general order 313, domestic violence response, fail to conduct a sufficient investigation and or make a custodial arrest as mandated in general order 313-1 and/or general order 313-2. Um the independent police monitor recommended that this allegation be sustained um with a termination recommendation and the department agreed. And uh there was an additional rule one allegation general order 320 interviews and interrogations 2024-0916 failed to administer Miranda warnings before soliciting written and oral statements to suspect. The monitor recommended exonerated and the department agreed. And in addition, the panel members also identified ambiguous language in the description of active resistor in general order 225, use of

[21:02] force, and may cause injury to an officer or another person. This phrase is unclear, subjective, and open to interpretation. They recommend defining passive and active resistors more objectively so as to provide more clarity. um SM2024- Z006, City of Boulder Human Resources shared a concern, a concern with BPD leadership that officer 1 provided a false statement regarding open enrollment registration. Um officer 1 is no longer a member of BPD um because of the results of serious misconduct 2024-00005. That allegation, rule three, truthfulness, provided false information in a service depot ticket. The monitor recommended not sustained and the department agreed. MI2024-046 officers responded to a burglary in progress call where it was reported that a man kicked in the door to an apartment. Officers arrested the man. Officers learned that the lease was

[22:00] being evicted and currently was in custody at the county jail. Officers were able to speak with the girlfriend of the leaseolder who was living in the apartment and informed her of the break-in and arrest of the man. Leaseholder later filed a complaint that he was not notified that he was the victim of the break-in. Um, officer one had a single allegation, rule one, compliance with values, rules, and general orders. Customer service value failed to notify the leaseholder that he was named as the victim of a crime. The panel recommended that this allegation be exonerated, and the department exonerated this allegation. MI2024-058. An anonymous community member complained that he witnessed officers violating the fourth amendment rights of a detainee. Bodyorn camera captured the interaction where officer one viewed the detainee used drugs in a public park where children were present. Detainee apologized for the public drug use and provided the glass pipe he used upon request by officer one. Officer one one informed detainee that he was not under arrest and would only receive a

[23:01] summon and then proceeded to search detainee. Officer one concluded the interaction by issuing a warning to detainee. Um there was a single allegation against officer one which is rule five conducted a warrantless search of detainee. Um, I recommended that this allegation be not sustained, but that the officer receive coaching. And the department uh determined also that this allegation should be not should uh be not sustained and reported that coaching had already occurred and additional training was scheduled. Um, in addition to my findings, recommendations, um, I advise the department that in my role as monitor, I do not hold officers to the standard of fourth amendment scholars, but the importance to understand the nuances of their legal authority cannot be overemphasized. This investigation established that officer 1's understanding of his legal authority to conduct the search was confused. He

[24:00] also may not understand the important distinction between a paton for weapons and a more involved search of pockets. Compliance with the fourth amendment is essential to protect the rights of community members and also to preserve the integrity of investigations. Had officer one discovered evidence of a serious crime during this search, his statement that detainee was not under arrest likely would have risked the suppression of all subsequent evidence. I'm heartened to learn that sworn BPD members will receive Fourth Amendment training in 2025 by the Boulder County District Attorney. I request to attend that training myself. Given the relative inexperience of BPD officers and sergeants, robust Fourth Amendment training and testing are important to ensure that BPD investigations withstand legal scrutiny as they advance through criminal court. Uh BPD Chief Redford responded, "The chain of command recommends a finding of exonerated in this case, and the IPM recommended a finding of not sustained. I concur with the IPM's findings and believe that a finding of not sustained is appropriate in this case. Based upon

[25:00] the investigation and seemingly improper interpretation of constitutional law, I can't find that the officer's actions fit the standard for an exonerated finding. However, I do not believe the preponderance of the evidence shows that a policy violation occurred. So, a finding of not sustained is more appropriate. I am also aware that on March 11, 2025, the first of several 8-hour legal authority trainings are happening at the PD. And this will hopefully assist our officers in having a better working knowledge of the fourth and fifth amendments. And looking at the case statistics um for the month of March, I classified um 10a 10 cases. Three were misconduct, one was serious misconduct, one community inquiry, three community feedbacks, and two unspecified incidents. I observed um one administrative hearing, zero critical incident scene response um and BPD

[26:00] closed 13 investigations. Um, as of the 3rd of April 2025, the uh the docket for cases is 36. 14 of those cases are classified. 10 were pending monitor classification and 12 of them were in PSU's preliminary investigations. The Oh, this is inaccurate. It should say um everything up until Q4 in 2024 is closed and I will provide an update to the panel next month on the status of the Q4 cases. Um PSU is currently undergoing um or underwent in March some uh personnel changes. So there are some cases in flux. So I look forward to updating the panel on those cases next month. And there are um currently seven open 2024

[27:00] cases. Does anyone have any questions before I take down the PowerPoint? All right. Thanks, Sherry. Um, I'll just add as a note and for especially for our newer panel members, um, the IPM report is, uh, Jur's chance to report out on kind of the final outcome of cases, but it's also the panel's opportunity to provide any additional comment, not on any of the facts of the case. We want to be really careful about protecting privacy but um comments on the handling of the complaint, fairness, uh thoroughess of the investigation and reasonleness of the adjudication. So if anyone has any comments they want to provide, you're able to do that now.

[28:05] I I do have a question. I just want to be clear. Um, that report was last month's cases. It was for basically March. Yes. Okay. I just want to make sure. Yep. And also, it looks like um panelist Kristen Drybred is here. Welcome, Kristen. I had internet troubles. I'm sorry. Oh, good. It happens. All right. Moving us into our next topic. Uh we have I believe Farah Musketin here with us today to talk to us about an update on the case review manual. I'll turn it over to you Farah. Thanks for being here. Hi everyone. Good to see you all. Um

[29:00] just a very quick update. Um we have a second draft of the case review manual. Hopefully you guys have seen an improvement in it. I took pretty much most of if not all of um um Lizz's feedback and also feedback from Meen um and really trying to arrange it to make it more user friendly and putting kind of more of the um funky stuff I guess in the appendix um to make it flow better. The other thing that I believe this was meen's recommendation was to add a section about what to consider when accepting a case. So, I pulled that information specifically from um the bylaws and the ordinance. So, hopefully that was helpful. And I know this was Lizz's um suggestion was to put like a like a chart of the steps before it gets to you for a vote. So, hopefully that kind of timeline, that graphic was helpful. Um, we're scheduled I wanted to

[30:02] kind of get the temperature of the virtual room, so to speak. Um, because we're scheduled to have a training next week. Um, and kind of wanting to get a sense of how you guys feel about that or if you want to postpone it. Essentially, Cliffn's version, I pulled a case from the Chicago Oversight um system, COPA, Chicago Office of Police Accountability, and it's a use of force case. They have videos, 911 calls, um incar camera, body warn camera, reports. There's a lot of information they put on their website. So, I pulled that um and essentially we will talk it through. So what I envision is kind of sending you guys a cliffnotes things of what I would ask that you review like 15 minutes tops before we meet. So essentially like the 911 call is a minute like the the body warn

[31:00] camera I will give you the time marker. to you know go to two minutes to you know three minutes right but in totality I want to keep it under 15 minutes or less because essentially we're going to come together and then the first 30 minutes I want to go over the evidence and talk you through it and then that because I want to limit us to an hour and a half because you know these things can be long but I want to be efficient and then spend an hour of really talking as a group what did we see what are what what violations did we see let's talk about the allegations that you know that have been recommended to you by your your IPM, right? So, those are in the evidence summary I sent you today and we would, you know, just have a conversation about it. And so, in a way, it's kind of mimicking one of your case review meetings. Um, with some nuances, obviously, because you won't be coming fully prepared, right? Because I'm going to give you like a 15 minute ask for you to look for 15 minutes prior to the meeting. But that's essentially kind of what I wanted us to work through. Obviously then we would have the manual with us to see okay is the manual

[32:01] helping you guide through your process of doing case review. So that is what I envision for next week. We I mean we're obviously flexible on the schedule. I don't know if it's something that's urgent that we need to do now but we have it on the schedule already for next Monday. Um so I just kind of wanted again to get the feel of the virtual room um the temperature of the virtual room to see how you feel about next Sunday. how any feedback about what I just described in terms of what that training will entail. Everything is earmarked. So, I have I give you timestamps for all the videos. It's all linked. I mean, literally all you have to click it, you know, is it goes right there. Um, and then I created a PowerPoint that has the videos ingrained in them. Um, so it's pretty pretty straightforward. So, I'll stop talking now and get any feedback that you guys may have about the timing in the training.

[33:03] I can just jump in and say um that sounds super helpful. I love the idea of doing kind of like a mock case and hearing everyone talk it through. Um even for those of us who've done a few of these at this point, that sounds really helpful. Um and that day and time works for me. So, could you repeat the day and time? It's next Monday and I believe we did six to 7:30. You might it might be 6 to 8 on your calendar, but I really wanted to keep it to an hour and a half. Well, six time obviously. To be clear, when you said we would be reviewing the evidence, did you say 15 or 50 minutes? Five. One five minutes. because I want to keep it brief because we're going to be reviewing the evidence as a group together. So, so for example, today I sent you guys the the evidence summary which is kind of like a mock evidence summary that Jerry has sent to you a million times already, right? But what I want to do is send you an additional email to say I want 15

[34:02] minutes of your time. In that 15 minutes, can you review these three things before Monday? Thank you. To me it sounds amazing, but I would appreciate it if it were a week later. Um, I just have a lot of um, deadlines this week personally, but I understand that we are a big group and other people have deadlines as well. any other Oh, go ahead. So, no, but just want to say it's a great idea and and actually since it wasn't a in the calendar, I I had it already. So, um it works for me. Uh but if more folks have an issue with that date, maybe we we can

[35:00] move it. You said you did. I thought that calendar invite went out. You didn't have it on your No, I have it. Oh, you did? You did? Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. So, it it works for me basically. That's what I'm saying. So, one thing I could offer, and I didn't talk to Sher about this, and I I I think it would work because it's considered a training, is that we can go forward with Monday. And for those that can't make it, maybe I just kind of duplicate it for those who can on a different day. And maybe it doesn't have to be in the evening. Maybe we could figure out a day that works. So, if there's others that can't make it and are still interested to participate, maybe we just do it another time. I I can make myself available for uh an overflow or backup date. Go ahead. Oh, sorry. So, is it possible to record the session and we can respond to that presentation kind of after the

[36:03] fact? The answer to that is yes. Obviously, we can record it, but my hesitation is I want us to really be able to have like a candid conversation about what we see in this ca, you know, in this case. And, you know, when people are recorded, it's just, you know, and you can be a little bit more candid since this is not a a Boulder case. Um, it's from the city of Chicago, so we don't necessarily have the same um same um confidentiality. But, I mean, that's just my preference. If you guys want to record it, you know, that's easy. I mean, we literally just hit record. My thought is I'll likely review the information ahead of time anyway and this could just could make comments not based on the dynamics of the conversation, but just based on what I had had gleaned from the information. Could be perfect. Maybe.

[37:00] I'm hoping it's perfect. Yeah, it's whatever you guys are comfortable with. I mean, I don't I will probably be doing the least bit of talking, so I don't really have a preference. So, the two questions in the in the air that we have right now is whether we keep next Monday, which is 00 to 7:30, 6:00 to 8. Um, and also recording the session. I think we already agreed we'll do a part two or not a part two, but we'll we'll do another date of the same exercise. So, I would vote to keep next Monday because it's already on my calendar and I'm would be harder to reschedule for me at this point and then we could always record it for other folks. Um I personally, of course, I I prefer this next Monday. So, I I hear that we we can

[38:02] keep their next Monday and I super appreciate your offer of having a second one. If we're um having a second one, I will honestly prefer not to record it because part of the richness of someone I mean is the conversation that is going to happen uh in reviewing the case rather than hearing what everyone else think. So, I think it's a very handson training. Um, so I would I would just offer that like I think I mean of course we can we can record it but I don't know how useful that might be. I think people will benefit more of have like in in scheduling a second opportunity to attend and have a discussion. So but thank you Farah for offering. Appreciate that. Very appreciated. Oh go ahead Ellen please. All right. I'd uh go for a second session if it was in the daytime. It's

[39:00] uh that would be handier for me in the daytime, but that's just me. No, I I'm with you. It'd be much easier for me in the daytime in the fall. So, no. Yeah, maybe that could work for for those who couldn't make it. Yeah. And I would really um we could really work with the especially the the new panel members who don't have a lot of experience with case reviews and make sure that we select a time that every every person is available from the from the new panel members if they can't attend the Monday night. Okay. So I think we have agreement to move forward with next Monday. We are not going to record it and we're definitely going to do a second set. not really a part two, but a second session essentially recreating what we did on on what we're going to do on the 25th. And then the fourth part is I'm going to send you an email likely tomorrow. I'll put the subject 15 minutes tops. Please

[40:01] read before Monday um of it'll primarily I'm literally going to cut and paste the blur from the police report. I'm I definitely think you need to listen to the 911 call and I'll give you two more videos. There's a um incar camera video and a body cam video. So, just review that. That's it. And then you'll be ready for um for Monday. That's actually less than that might actually be less than 10 minutes. Yeah, it's a very short incident that we're going to be looking at. So, I'll send that to everybody tomorrow. And then I won't finalize our case review manual until after the training because there might be some stuff that we talk about next Tuesday be like maybe we should put that in there. You know what I mean? So just also keep that in your mind too that there's still room to make um some edits in addition to the case review manual. All right. Anything I love these brief updates. Anything

[41:01] else? All right. Well, I'll look forward to seeing everybody um next Monday and um be on the lookout for my email tomorrow for the 10-minute tops preview for our case review training. All right, thank you everybody. Thank you. Take care. See you next week. All right. Uh, next up on the agenda, we have just a quick debrief um from our Q1 meeting with the chief, which was last week on Monday, April 7th. Um, the questions from that meeting are still are in our um meeting folder if anyone wants a reference, but just want to open the floor for thoughts, comments, feedback, discussion. How did you all think that went?

[42:06] I don't really have much. I thought that it went well. Um it was very informative and just being able to um you know meet with the police chief and Alistister um to kind of get their perspective on the dashboard and hear from the data analysis. I think it was kind of helpful for looking at like the um the nuances of that information. Uh don't really have a full picture of it all but it was definitely helpful. So that's what I have. Yeah. And I would just like to say, you know, we had decided well over a year ago, I think, that we wanted the meetings with the chief um almost always to be in person, um to be held not at the police department.

[43:00] Um, and so that's the format that we're using, but the the panel can make uh make other suggestions either to change the protocol in general or like for a specific meeting if they want something if they want something changed. I think initially when we talked about this, we maybe talked about like a rotation or switching off between BPD and and the um building that we typically use. Does anyone want to return to that? Just feel like we could offer to switch off. women good sports about coming to us. But anyone interested in in that? Um I just want to mentioned that the reason that we decided to have it in the municipal building was because there were folks that were not comfortable

[44:00] going to to the building to have that conversation. So uh just offering that to to provide more context to why we were we decided to have them in person and in the municipal building. So if anyone doesn't feel comfortable that uh is perfectly uh understandable and that is something that can also we can also discuss and respect uh if any of the panel members don't feel comfortable um at BPD uh you know this is why we we have them here and again just to offer some context to that decision when it was And I appreciate that, Solo Dad. I think for some people it's not as easy to walk into the police department and do that. And I thought it was a good start to the

[45:01] dashboard conversation. And I'm looking forward to hearing more about how the department plans to practically apply the data that they're learning and especially the conversations that we need to have in terms of the story that they're taking away from it. I'm really curious about how they're how they're interpreting the data in terms of what it means with interactions with the various communities in Boulder and folks who work in Boulder and whatnot. So, so I'm kind of looking forward to that because this the meeting seemed more to just focus on like it's out and I'm thankful for that because I know I've been asking that question for quite a while. So, so I saw it as a good first step and I'm looking forward to thinking about how we how we um really interpret the data and what is

[46:00] it saying in terms of systemic culture um biases and things like that that that they're seeing because I'm I'm really curious to hear their interpretation versus our interpretation versus once the community gets a chance to look at it what they what they think as well. Yeah, I really appreciate that, Bill. And I think on a similar note, I'm curious to get more um clarity eventually kind of as they look into changes and additions and implementing feedback um when we might be able to to see that because I think some of those richer data views will really help both us, you know, interpret and understand the data and get insights from it, but also I think the community would really benefit and see a lot more transparency with some of those changes made.

[47:02] about that. Any other thoughts or comments from the group or ideas for next time different formatting stuff? I think this time we had a little bit more challenges with timing and running out of time for some of our questions which we had sort of had in the beginning and I think Victor was doing a great job of getting on top of it. So maybe we can we can work on bringing some of those tools back. But go ahead, Serene. Yeah, I just wanted to add that obviously I'm not the chief and I don't have all the answers, but I think for a lot of the questions um I'm I'm available to answer um and can provide answers for a lot of the questions you guys have. Especially if you guys have more questions than um we can get to in those meetings. Feel free to send me um emails and I'm happy to answer them um offline and you can share those answers with the whole group. That's all. Thank you.

[48:01] Thank you for that. We really appreciate that. Sterling. All right. I think with that we can move into our third and last kind of ad hoc topic. Um we wanted to talk about strategic planning for the year. Um Sherry or Soladad, do other either of you want to lead this one or do you want me to kind of take us through it? What would be our best best option? Jerry unmuted. I saw that was because you weren't unmuting. I feel like this was your idea though, so and a very good idea. Um so if you want to share it with the group. Yeah, sure. So um as we were we were kind of uh looking at at the year we

[49:02] uh we wanted to have uh some strategic planning for for um the next year. I think it's still re relevant timing wise since we have new panel members joining on March. Uh so we can do like a March to March type of uh thing. But I think it will be important for this panel to have uh maybe to get together and find a time where we can do dedicate some a few hours to some uh to do some strategic planning and the things that we want to accomplish this year. Um uh also I think kind of uh thinking about the students that they have only a year with us. We have to make it kind of count. uh and so so we discuss about uh presenting the this this idea to to all of you and and uh see how that sounds and how that lands uh to really kind of focus on I don't think there's we can we can accomplish everything that we all want to do but at least we can choose

[50:01] and prioritize and and get some stuff done from from now on until March 2026. Yeah. And uh to elaborate a little bit on Solidad's great idea, like my notes had being able to, you know, have topics of like what community engagement um events or initiatives do we want to do? Um whether and how and what and when involving like if we're doing another data project and what the the outlines of that would be. Um and just identifying what are the panel priorities. Um as Solidad said, you know, you can't do everything that you want to do immediately. Um so identifying those priorities so that the resources can really go towards those few things that are are identified as top to work on. Um, and then I also thought that like solidifying some training requests from the panel to be able to hear what um what people want uh

[51:00] additional training on to supplement some of the the training that I'm already you know working to to get the panel but in, you know, being able to create some real space for that instead of it just being like a 10-minute agenda item for one of these panel meetings. So, and I did confirm that um this this would need to be a public meeting. And uh we sent out a we sent out a poll to try to find some dates. Um but so far, I think I'm the only person besides Selena who has identified dates available. So, it was in the email that I sent last Thursday, I think. Um, I'm happy to resend that, but I would love to get some some some responses so we could, you know, identify the date that most people can make it and um, you know, start figuring out, you know, the place and who would facilitate it.

[52:00] Uh just to add to that, we also talked about having someone helping us facilitate the meeting so we can get things done uh in uh I don't want to say short period of time but let's make the time more efficient. So um anyhow so that's idea. Jerry, could you resend the email because I don't see it. I'll send I'll send it right now. Oh, or maybe in the next like 2 minutes. Yeah, right. Yeah, anytime is good. So, it sounds like in general folks are on board with this plan. any questions?

[53:01] So, it would basically just be like a strategic planning session that we would be doing. Okay. Yep. Kind of including some work planning and possibly getting into some of the discussions we've had about uh data analysis as well, kind of focus areas for our work for the year. Great. Sounds good to me. Great. And one other um thing that we had discussed and solid I don't sorry I can't remember if you mentioned this already but do you want to talk about the potential to have a committee stood up to manage it or move ahead? We had talked about the potential to stand up a subcommittee to kind of work on facilitating the meeting and finalize the plan. I am a little bit lost. [Music] Uh so yeah, I guess I think what I heard

[54:02] Lizzie say is you were going to lead the strategic planning. This is a question for the group. So we're going to have the strategic planning sort of summit. Do we want to create an ad hoc committee to sort of manage and guide us through this process and perhaps take ownership of finalizing the plan the written deliverable at the end of this summit or is that something we want to manage together and Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. No. Yeah. I think that's why we we were we deviate deviate that conversation talking about someone else to facilitate and I was hoping that someone else will facilitate and give us a document at the end. So yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Love collaboration though. So if anyone is uh willing and able to take on that that great if not we can we can figure out with external support. I mean

[55:01] understanding that that we we are having a lot going on and trainings and things. Go ahead, Alan. Oh, sorry. We have We're getting audio now. Go ahead. I can help with that. Right. Do we need to actually vote to create a committee? Yeah, technically. Okay. Do we have a motion to create a strategic planning ad hoc committee to extend to the summit and likely a couple weeks after to finalize the plan? I'll make a motion to create that committee. I can second

[56:01] that. Great. Uh, all in favor of a creating a strategic planning ad hoc committee. We have Can you Sorry. Hands up again because this may be close. One, two, three, four, five. I'm not able to vote, right? Not yet. Yeah, you are. No. Okay. Okay. Because of Friday's training. Gotcha. You're a full voting member. Great. Okay, hands up one more time. We'll count them. I think we now have maybe had everybody. AB, Jason. Perfect. Okay. Any against? All right. Think that means we have a committee. Um, and we have Allan volunteered. Do we have maybe one other person to work with Allan or one or more? We have folks who are interested. Awesome. Thanks,

[57:00] Bill. Anyone else? Perfect. Thank you both. All right. Anything else before we move into our next item? Great. All right. Now I think is when we would typically go to public comment and then take our break. I don't see any public attendees. Is there anyone I'm not seeing? Um Lynn Seagull was on but I don't see her. [Music] Um, so maybe because she we did say 40, maybe we should take a break first and then pop back in at, you know, 7:36 or whatever and see if she's available for public comment. Okay, I'm good with that. All right, so we'll take our break,

[58:00] return at 7:36. All right, thanks everybody. All right, we are back recording. Um, I think we looks like we probably have everyone. Um, at this point we have still no public members for public comment. Um, we could give it should we give it one or two more minutes to get closer to 40? Okay, we'll give it a second. Um if people while while I have a little bit of floor time um I I'm hoping that the panel can get a an abbreviated um fourth amendment training like I mentioned um in one of those one of the one of the case updates I attended the 8-day training from the district attorney's office and we're we've been in conversation for several weeks about

[59:00] getting that condensed down to like one one and a half maybe two hour two-hour training for panel members. Um and then additionally I expect to have another training at BPD in the next few months um with topics to include um some defensive tactics. Um some of like the um some of the tools that they have like drones and some of their surveillance tools that um I know people have expressed an an interest in. And I don't even know um if they have additional equipment that that we might not be aware of because it hasn't presented itself in a case yet. Um and along with then as was mentioned in in another case, the idea of getting some training on on the workflow um and responsibilities between uh both the patrol and the detectives uh uh officers and supervisors. So that was uh those are some training um opportunities that should be forthcoming in the next several

[60:17] months. All right, we'll just give it one more minute. Thanks AB. Any other 30 second topics for the group? Um I do. Go for it. 30 seconds. Uh no, just a very kind gentle reminder that when we have our Zoom meetings, the expectations that we're on camera because of the nature of the work that the panel does, uh we need to appear on screen as we're voting and and uh reviewing things that are of interest to the community and that we are the ones

[61:01] participating. So, just um make yourself known especially in the Zoom meetings um when we're open to the public. Thank you. 40. We have no members of the public still. So, I think at this point we can move on. Everyone comfortable with that? Okay. Uh next up we have will move into case reviews moment soon. Um but at this point we have the option to vote to go into close session so that we can discuss them. Um does anyone want to make a motion to go into close session to discuss the case reviews, case summaries? I make a motion we go into close session to talk about the case summaries. I second.

[62:03] Great. All in favor of going into close session. Kristen, is that a raised hand or a voting hand? Voting hand. Okay. Any against? All right. Uh with that, we will go into close session um for maximum 20 minutes. So, we should be back right around eight. Hey, I will open up the room and you will all be heading towards that room. Okay. Thank you. Um we can move

[63:00] All right, welcome back everyone. Um, we will move into voting on our six cases for the week. Um, we will start off with SM205-00001. Um allegations are for officer one three separate rule one compliance with values rules and general orders allegations. Um and we'll be voting on whether to review. We'll hand it over to Sherry. Okay. Um Lizzy start with me. I got to get my document pulled up here. Um I'm a yes on this one. Sorry, I had to switch my screens. Um Kristen, this one I don't know. [Music]

[64:02] Um yes, no, or abstain. I will abstain for now. Okay, Jason. Uh yes. Um, Curtis, yes. Chico, yes. Bill, yes. Alan. Alan, you're muted. Alan. Yes. Um, AB, yes. And Solidad, yes. All right, we had I think eight yeses, one abstain. So, we will be reviewing that case. Um, next case for voting

[65:06] MI2025-00006, allegations against officer one, rule 10, security of police information. Okay, Lizzie. Uh, I am a no. Um, Kristen, yes. Uh, Jason, no. Um, Curtis, you're muted. Curtis, I will say yes. Uh, Chico, yes. Phil, no. Um, Alan, I'll say no, but I agree with I think

[66:02] that we should be checking into how this fits in with the social media policies. No. AB, no. And Solidad, yes. All right, we have five nos and four yeses. So, we'll decline to review this case. Our next case is MI2025-00007 um allegations against officer one rule one allegation compliance with values rules and general orders. Okay, Lizzy. Uh, no Kristen. No Jason. No Curtis. No Chico. Yes. Bill. No. Allan.

[67:04] No. AB. No. And Solid. No. All right. Eight nos, one yes. We will not be reviewing. Uh, next case MI2025-00008. Uh, two officers involved. Officer one has one rule one compliance with values, rules, and general orders allegation. Officer two has one rule one compliance with values rules and general orders. Okay. Lizzy, yes. Kristen, yes. Jason, yes. Curtis, yes. Chico, yes. Bill, yes. Alan,

[68:00] um, yes. AB, yes. And Solidad, yes. All right. Unanimous yeses. We will be reviewing uh next case MI2025-00009 uh two allegations for officer one rule five police authority and public trust and rule four respect for others. Yes. Um Kristen, no. Uh, Jason, no. Curtis, no. Uh, Chico, yes. Bill, no. Allan, no. AB, no. And Solidad, no.

[69:01] All right, seven nos, two yeses. We will decline to review this one. And our last case for the month, MI2025-011. Uh, five allegations against officer one. Uh, four rule one allegations compliance with values, rules, and general orders. And one rule five police authority and public trust. May I suggest we postpone this one until we get more information? Would that be a motion to vote for that? Yeah, that would be a motion to vote. Do we have a second? I would second that. Great. All right. All in favor of, let's say, holding on voting on this case

[70:02] until we get more clarity on the amount of evidence available for panel review. All in favor? All right. Anyone against? We're unanimous. Great. Motion passes. We will hold. Thanks, Chico. All right. Now, we need to return to each of those cases that we voted to review and take volunteers. Um, so I believe that starting with 2025-00001, the pursuit. Do we have volunteers to review that case? Bill, Soladad, Chico, I'll do that one. And we can have more. We need to

[71:01] have minimum three, but as many people who would like to are free to volunteer. Uh Lizzie, will you repeat who will be volunteering? Sorry, I didn't get Yeah, it was uh Soladad, Bill, Chico, Curtis, is your hand up or just No, sorry, didn't mean to. Um, and me. Thank you. All right. Next, we had had a great counting system going and then I it all fell apart. I think our next one was O8. Is that correct? I have. Okay. So, the handcuffs. Who would like to review? I would. Um, I would like to volunteer Milan for that one, please. up upon her request to volunteer to review a case. Perfect. So, we have

[72:00] Milen, Jason, Curtis, anyone else? I'd like to I'd like to as well. And AB. Perfect. And me, too. And Kristen. Excellent. Okay. Great. So, Melen, Jason, Curtis, Kristen, AB. Am I missing anyone? So this is 008 right Kristen. Yeah I have Kristen written down. Okay great. So just for um information um new panelists their their first case they have to do a shadowing. Um, so if they if this would be the first case that they actually do, it would it would be a shadowing experience. If they've had the opportunity before this case comes ready for the panel, then they could be full voting members during the case review. Great. All right. I think that

[73:00] was our last one. 09 was no and 01 we're holding on. So that may be all set. All right. Uh with that, do we have any other business? Any ad hoc items, walk-ons? Great. Short and sweet. Do we have a motion to adjurnn? Make a motion to adjurnn. Everyone is ready to go. All right. All in favor of adjourning. Awesome. Nice job tonight, Lizzy. Yeah. Yes. Good. Good job. Appreciate the the help, the assists. All right. Have a great night, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Bye.