March 11, 2025 — Police Oversight Panel Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] see you all. I want to welcome everyone to a police oversight panel meeting. Uh today is March 10th, 2025. Um welcome the members of the public that might join us online. Uh and we're going to start by reading um our land acknowledgement. So we acknowledge the Arab Anchovian tribes, the traditional custodians of the land on which the police oversight panel and voted for this department operates and pay our respects to their elders past and present. Um I want to remind the panel of our agreements. Um, I know we had a new panel members, so we're going to talk about that in a minute. But the panel came up in one of our uh work meetings last year with a set of uh agreements in uh in that basically

[1:01] guide the way that we communicate and the way that we are respectful to each other and how we would talk in the meeting. Uh so with that uh we can do a roll call and Sherry you're the official role caller today. So if we want to do that and then uh we're going to introduce our next panelists but before we do that I want to welcome Noria our city manager to this meeting. Uh thank you for coming. Thank you for inviting me. Yeah. So let's do vocal and let's move on with the agenda. Solidad here. Milan here. Lizzy here. Kristen here. Jason here. Uh Donnie here. Chico. Yes. Um Bill de la Cruz is absent and he notified us in advance. Alan

[2:00] and AB here. Thank you. Perfect. Okay. So, um, a few reminders. Uh, so we have the Q&A option during the meeting, so members of the public can use that. And, uh, Selena will be monitoring Q&A. Um, we're going to also remind the public that uh, our website address is bouldercol.gov-services- -ervices- police uh-oversight and our email police oversight panel at boulder corawa.gov. Um all these meetings are posted on our website and uh we're now ready to hear the agenda. So, why don't we uh start with a quick round of introductions and um yeah, let's do that.

[3:00] Perfect. So, I my name sorry uh for co-chair of the pan and my pronounce my name is Curtis Rogers. I am the student member of the panel. Um, pronouns he My name is Donnie Austin. I am also a student member of the panel and my pronouns are she, her, and hers. Do you want to go? Sure. Hi everyone. My name is Sadma and I use she, her, a pronouns. Lizzy friend, she her second year on the panel. Christian Dbrand. I'm a new panel member and I'll accept all pronouns. Sherry Dan, independent police monitor, she her um this I'm entering my third year on the panel. Um I use she her

[4:02] pronouns. Hashi, I'm not even on a year. I'm as new as new as these folks. and but you can go and refer to me however you want. I am Nuria Rivera Vandermide. I uh will be city manager for four years in May actually. Um and I uh use she a Jason. My name is Jason Savila. Uh he him. Uh I think I'm starting my third year. Mhm. Chico. Well, you may call me Chico. I've been on the panel since October 2022. Uh, AB. Hi, my name is AB and I think this is my

[5:02] second year. I think I'd have to check. Okay. And we have Roberto Ramirez the screen. Hey. Hi everyone. Uh Roberto Ramirez from the uh city attorney's office. I'm the deputy city attorney uh and here to assist in any way that I can. Good to meet y'all. Do you wanna Sure. Uh well, thanks for inviting me and I um I'm uh here really to a welcome our newest members. Um super excited to have you here. Uh it's always kind of exciting to have uh new folks joining the panel. I I think I was telling Curtis uh earlier, I I think this panel is such an important critical

[6:01] part of what we do in the city. Um I I believe we've got a tremendous a great police force and I believe in the power of oversight. I believe I say this to police all the time. I believe in good policing and I say that all the time and I put an emphasis on good policing. Um I think it's really important to have accountability. I believe this is an important tool. Um, and what you do is critical uh to the work that we're doing for community. Um, I have served other communities where um, the kind of policing that we have here is not present and we can always improve. Um, and I think that what you do and push us to do better is really critical. Um, and so I just really appreciate the time and effort that you put in and it's hard work, right? what you see and what you're um what you need to do and see in body cam is delicate. It's sensitive. It

[7:00] is taxing. Um and so I just appreciate in advance the work that you put into this uh because I know that it is hard. Um I have to watch body cams every once in a while and it is taxing. Um and so I know that you do it on a mostly volunteer basis because the stipens you get don't pay emotionally for what you do. suggests thank you in advance for what you're about to put in. Um, and I also think that as you do it, you're you're a city kind of representative and you're subject to like horror requirements and open meeting laws. And um, when I send you emails, you'll note that I usually send it to the co-chair and then I blind copy you because you all of a sudden you're city representatives in ways that you didn't even know, right? And you'll get that in your training. And so I'll when you say yes to this, you say yes to a whole bunch of things to become a city person that you didn't even know that you were going to get. So I just thank you in advance for that commitment. Um so just it's it is not for the faint of heart

[8:00] and I uh it is dedication that brings you here. It is I believe in public service. I believe in the power of government to do really good things and that is part of what you do as well when you serve. Um No, I appreciate that. Uh, I will say too that we were just kicking off budget. Um, it feels like we are uh last time I think I talked to you, we were talking about budget and we are about to kick that off again. It feels like I do budget year round. Um, and so we're going to be kicking off that budget and it's an interesting year to do budget cuz if you're watching the national news, we're in a weird place. Um, we are in a place of a federal freeze. We are in a place where every word that we do for grants now is being scrutinized. Um, every time we see, we're looking at our grant proposals and seeing what words we're putting out there because it it can be flagged uh for a variety of things. We have a

[9:02] commitment to continue to live into our values and we will not shy away from that. Um, we will continue to do equity work. We will continue to represent our community. We will continue to do climate work. Um, we will not shy away from that. So, that is what we live into and there will be repercussions from that in terms of federal funding. And so, we were waiting to see what that looks like. Uh, but we have, I will tell you, um, millions of dollars up there that we don't know if we will get or not. And so we're waiting to see what that budget impact will be for our community and for our city. So we'll see what that looks like in this budget year and as we develop the budget we will know more. Um so it'll be an interesting budget year as we go forward. I'll say too that we are continuing to lean in and I think you may have spoken to the chief about our work with our immigrant community, our LGBTQ community that are facing um a lot of uncertainty. Um, and we

[10:02] again remain committing to serving uh everyone in our community that is feeling vulnerable. And uh before Roberto visually kicks me under the table, um I will say that we remain committed to committed to serving everyone who is in need as much as we can uh without saying more. Um that is our value. We will continue to do that um in the city. uh and I know that our uh police department believes the same. Um so that is where we're spending a lot of effort and a lot of time uh this year. Um so that's a lot of what we've been doing in the city. Um so far we are continuing to do our climate work. Um I know that's been a lot of conversation lately. Um so anyway, the business the business of the city continues uh

[11:01] despite um what else is going around nationally. There's a lot of craziness out there, but we continue on the PD front. PD is actually being accredited and I don't know how much the chief has spoken to you about it, but I think that's a really good thing. We hear in April, but I hear good things. And one of the reasons I love accreditation actually just came from a meeting arts is getting accredited and fires getting accredited. And the reason I love accreditation is it it forces you to do the discipline of getting policies and procedures in place, right? Um and I think that for some departments that's a really good thing. Um and so I think that's that's a terrific endeavor to do uh and places in that area. And the other thing I'll say is um as we continue to do dashboarding and data, I wanted to I think you got my note uh week or two ago. Thank you for doing that. I think police PD will continue to come to you when they're doing new dashboards. I encourage you to continue

[12:00] to give them feedback before they make those public um because I think it's really important to hear from you as you're doing that before they go um online. They they need your eyes as they're doing that. But I'm really excited to hear what they're doing to get your continued input on not just what they're about to do, but perhaps what are the other dashboards that could communities. So continue to push and and to talk to PD about the kinds of data that could be put out there because that's another lens in which you can continue to help and push um our department to uh explore and to put more data out. They're interested in it. They are you know, they're like every department, they're a little in the weeds and and rushed for time and want to do more, but the more you help prioritize what gets out there, the better they can be for that. So, um, just appreciate your efforts in that regard. Open to if anybody's curious.

[13:00] I'm always an open book. If you got questions, if I can't say it, I always say I can't say it. I am pretty open about that but happy to tell you what else is going on in the city city um remain a sanctuary city by ordinance in 2017 um declared being a sanctuary city. I will say that we are trying hard not to shout it from the rooftops not because we're not but we're trying to protect our community. um we've spoken to a lot of organizations that says these don't do things that brings federal agencies here and so it's not that we're that we're shying away from it. It's that we're not trying to shine a light here but it is an ordinance. We remain that way. Um but we are trying hard not to um to put that spotlight here. Thank you.

[14:03] This program receive any federal grant funding? It does not. They're all good. What about BPD? BPD does few. It it applies for grants every once in a while. Um and in fact, it's one of the areas that I'm less concerned about to be honest. Um, other than the fact that Boulder may be seen as more liberal as a potential sanctuary city, although most of the attention has been on Denver, um, which not a bad thing for us. Um, we have not appeared on the list yet. Boulder County has, um, and in part, I think it's we've got the jail. Um, but, uh, law enforcement in general is not one that, um, is not one that I don't think that will will likely not receive federal funding in the future, but, we'll see. Um, infrastructure is one that I don't think uh, should not receive federal funding. And yet, um, we that is one of

[15:02] the ones that we're struggling with and worried about because the we had a $23 million safer street grants, but it was for bikes, bike lanes, and that may be something that um we may not get because it may be seen as too liberal. Um so we'll see what that looks like but uh so we'll see on PD but um no personnel is um impacted by grant funding and if anything it is smaller um maybe programmatic but I'm not too concerned about PD I'm so happy to hear that, you know, everywhere you talk about funding, it's like, oh my god, what are we going to do? Well, so yeah, I'm just glad to hear that that we're in

[16:00] a better place than many others that are really struggling. So, yeah, smart city management. Well, we're trying. We're okay. We're okay. Yeah. And we've got, you know, like every city, right? We've got some emergency reserves. we're being thoughtful about it. Um it may mean that we don't do a lot of extra funding and we don't have the ability to do um a lot of new FTEEs and so we've warned departments that their asks are going to be um scrutinized a lot. BPD has is fully funded and so they in their reimagining plan they're they will be asking me this year for more funding and I don't know how much I'm going to be able to do and other departments right um will be doing that so we'll be thoughtful about it but um but thankfully we're not in a deficit um and so yeah we'll continue to see how that looks like but yeah we're we're fortunate in that sense um I'm hoping that we'll provide some we'll be

[17:01] thinking about social services more because the county is not in such a great place and where the county is perhaps in a deficit that's they look to the city to pick some of that up and so we have asked our housing and human services to be thinking about what their ask will be because we may have to supplement. So anyway, we'll see what the budget looks like as we pick it up. Yeah, all roads lead to budget. Great. Thank you so much for being able to come and welcome our new panel members and apparently um you know share thanks for some of our panel members who are embarking on their third year. Enjoy. Yeah. Well, I'll leave you to the work. Thank you so much. All right. Take care everybody. Bye. Good to see you all. But don't forget your cook.

[18:04] So uh let's get to our agenda. So our first item will be everyone's sleeping. No, uh will be the approval of the agenda. So I will entertain a motion to approve our agenda for today, please. Motion to approve the minutes. Thank you, Milan. We need a second. Oh, Ly and Chico. So, we have to uh should we see a approval of the agenda? So, everyone say I anyone against I Okay, you nice. Okay. need this. Okay. Our second item will be

[19:00] approval of the minutes of uh last month meeting. Motion to approve the minutes. Thank you. Milan second DC. Thank you. Uh so should we do a um show hands please or I so uh I think new members can new members vote or not for that. So I'm standing. So that one the Kristen did the training last year. So she is a full voting member. Our two student members need to but she was absent for the last meeting and she's still Oh, you're right. You're right. So she she should have stayed. Thank you. Thank you. So new members no. Great. Cool. So voting for uh approval last month. One, two, three. Uh thank you Tiko Jason. Yes. AB.

[20:02] I think I think she wasn't last at the end. Okay. So I Okay. Forum is 5 today by the way. And are we just Yeah. Uh so then our next item in the agenda, community outreach and engagement. Um Bill, it's not here, but I don't know who I can speak to some of it. Okay. Um thank you, Megan. So I know Bill has been in touch with um Anyway, I've Yes. has you been able I I I saw something where he was in in touch with someone but um anyway, Bill has been talking to a lot of different people to

[21:03] uh do more community outreach and um I secured a trident for April 22nd at 6 or 6:30 um for a community engagement and information. Um, so we'll have a table there. Um, and it's the trade is such a good place because people come and go and they'll be able to see us and talk to us and the the might be able to reach out to the population see normally at our meetings. So I'm excited about that and we'll keep looking for other venues and other things to do. Do you need any volunteers or Yeah, we we'll need volunteers. Um, we can all be there. We can have two of us there. As long as we have a minimum of two or three people, I think that would be good. But if we can have, you know, as

[22:01] many members and make it a party, that's great, too. So, are you going to be sending your bill an email to ask for volunteers? Yeah, I think we're going to I think what's next is we're going to do a flyer for it and hopefully ask everyone to help distribute it so people can come and see us if they want to. Um, and then I I would assume Bill will will send an email inviting us, but we just confirmed it like days ago and I sent everyone a save the date so it's on all of your calendars. Uh, next on the agenda, independent police report, the March 25th or March 2025,

[23:05] uh, monitor to report. Um in the month of February, the panel created or the the panel completed um one case review. Um there are zero case reviews that we're waiting to hear from BPD on and there are eight uh case reviews that the panel will take on. Uh one which is scheduled and two we're trying to schedule right now. um beginning the cases that were uh completed by BPD in the month of February. Um SM2024-00004. This was the December 17th, 2023 fatal officer involved shooting. In that instance, officers responded to a call of a woman with a gun. The officers attempted less than lethal response multiple times. Officers one and two eventually deployed firearms at the woman which caused her death. A

[24:02] community member alleged that officers shot her in the back which was not consistent with the autopsy report of frontto back path bullet trajectories. Um officer one and two were each given an rule six allegation use of force deployed lethal force at a woman while she fled and or was shot in her back. The panel recommended that this allegation be unfounded and the department agreed. Um the panel also made specific re recommendations um that the department continue training and encouragement of the goal everyone gets home safely including officers, community members and suspects as a foundational tenant of public safety and that they emphasize reinforce and pri prioritize IAT and deescalation expectations beyond training by including these metrics in BPD performance evaluations. take opportunities to recognize, celebrate, and reward officers for exceptional

[25:00] deescalation. Uh, BPD Chief Redford responded, "The panel recommended ongoing training encouraging a goal that everyone goes home safe, including suspects. I agree with this goal, and this is an internal message that we have been stressing to our officers. In this case, I do believe that the officers took multiple steps to resolve this incident without lethal force." Aligned with this goal, the agency will continue to prioritize IAT as recommended by the panel and stress deescalation as a priority when appropriate and feasible. I also concur with the panel that when officers use exceptional deescalation that they are recognized. In our awards ceremony in March, we are recognizing at least one incident where officers use deescalation as part of tactics to resolve an incident where a woman was armed and suicidal. We will continue to recognize such work. Um, event 764. Um, this was when officers responded to a call that a dog was attacking a man. Officer one responded and encountered a large dog biting a man

[26:01] who was covered in blood and displayed deep lacerations on his arms. Bystanders were yelling to shoot the dog. The dog began pursuing officer one who deployed his taser at the dog with no effect. The dog jumped at officer one who discharged his firearm multiple times at the dog and the dog fell to the ground. Officers one and two attended to the man and each applied a tourniquet to one of his arms. The dog stood and began approaching again and officer one fired another shot which caused the dog to fall again. Animal control officers then euthanized the dog. The investigation revealed that the dog belonged to the man and the man and his family members expressed appreciation for the actions of officer 1. The monitor responded on scene. After subsequent review of the incident, she determined that officer one's firearm discharge complied with BPD policy. Therefore, it was not a misconduct investigation, but I'm still reporting it to the Officers responded to a wellness check. Oh, sorry.

[27:00] MI2024-052. Officers responded to a wellness check requested by the mother of young children when they were at the father's home. Officers one and two responded, interviewed all parties and determined that there was no evidence of harm to the children. The resolution that evening was for the children to stay with mother. The officers facilitated the transfer of children from father to mother. The next day, officer one conducted follow-up with mother. During their telephone call, mother alleged that during a previous wellness response to father's home, officers two and three made comments to the children that the officers would rather be catching robbers. Mother then complained about officers one conduct towards mother and her children. Um officer one received an allegation of rule four respect for others, yelled and or raided and or treated mother like a criminal andor was unprofessional while speaking to her children. Uh the monitor's recommendations were that this be unfounded and the department agreed. Officer two, rule one, customer service value stated to children who were the subject of a wellness check that they

[28:01] would rather be catching robbers. Officer 2's allegation the monitor recommended be unfounded and the department agreed. And officer three had the same allegation with the same unfounded recommendations. Uh, the monitor additionally recommended that a premise note be added through BPD dispatch so that officers or supervisors who may respond in the future are informed of the history between the parents. And the monitor recommended that BPD extend the default bodywn camera retention period in response to child abuse or neglect and domestic violence incidents. Given the likelihood of ongoing or escalating nature of these types of incidents, retaining bodywork camera for longer periods of time can assist BPD detectives and the district attorney to better assess credibility and patterns of conduct. Chief Redford responded, "I

[29:00] concur that a premise note would be beneficial assuming that we can verify that the involved parties still live at the location. As for the extended retention for body warn camera, this is something that the professional standards unit should discuss with the IT and the district attorney's office to ensure that we are aligned with how long these types of body warn cameras should be retained. MI2024-059 Officer 1 responded to a call that a man was harassing and following a family at a park. While speaking with the man, officer one instructed the man not to return to the park. The man walked towards the park and officer one appeared to lightly push the man's shoulder. The man stepped backwards and then stumbled to sit on the ground. The man complained about the physical contact and that the officer one did not take appropriate steps to investigate his child abuse allegation against the parents. Allegations for officer one was rule one use of force pushed the man and or did not practice deescalation. Um the panel recommended that this allegation be exonerated and the department agreed. Um and another rule one general order

[30:02] 209 child abuse and child sexual abuse response failed to take appropriate actions when notified of allegations of child abuse. Panel recommended that this allegation be unfounded and the department uh determined that it was an exonerated finding. The panel additionally recommended um uh they shared the possibility that additional deescalation options were available to officer one. They noted that officers initial contact and approach with members of the community, especially agitated individuals, can greatly influence the demeanor and cooperation of community members. Officers always maintain the option to escalate depending on how an incident progresses. Absent the situation involving safety concerns, officers should be encouraged to prevent present a respectful and collaborative reading. Chief Redford responded, "Every situation is fluid and each officer handles situations differently, but I do not believe the officer failed to deescalate in this situation. In hindsight, there may always be options

[31:00] we see from a seat that is not in the middle of a situation. And I concur that there are usually multiple options available to our officers, but based upon how this situation was handled, I am comfortable with the officer's actions." MI2024-067. Officers broadcast the sighting of a stolen black 2016 Ford F-150 pickup truck with Texas license plate. Officer 1 conducted a high-risisk traffic stop, which involved holding the driver at gunpoint on a 2022 black Dodge pickup truck with a wholly different Texas license plate. Approximately 1 minute after the traffic stop initiated, additional officers on scene realized that it was the wrong truck and holstered their firearms. Officer one apologized to the driver and offered the chance for a supervisor to speak to the driver. The driver declined. Officer one asked for the driver's license and called in to dispatch for a search of the driver's name. The total interaction lasted just

[32:01] over 5 minutes. After the stop, officer one told another officer, "I was like Texas plate. I did not even look at the plate. I feel horrible." Upon review of this incident, BPD leaders initiated this. Um, officer one had a rule one allegation that she did not comply with BPD procedures for conducting a high-risisk traffic stop. The panel recommended uh sustained five-year reprimand with training and the department um sustain the allegation with a one-year reprimand. Uh officer one also had a rule five allegation conducted a high-risisk traffic stop. The panel recommended again sustained one-year reprimand with training. Um and the department sustained the allegation with an overall one-year reprimand. There was a rule six allegation use of force pointed a firearm at the suspect vehicle and or driver panel sustained with a 5-year rep reprimand with training rep

[33:02] recommendation and the department determined that the allegation was sustained with an overall one-year reprimand and the final allegation was a rule five extended the detention of the driver after reasonable suspicion had dissipated. panel recommended that the allegation be sustained with a one-year reprimand with training and the department determination was um sustained in an overall one-year reprimand. The panel also made several recommendations. They felt constrained by the BPD discipline matrix and the concept of progressive discipline. If not bound by these constraints, one reviewing panel member would have recommended discipline between a 30-day suspension and termination. In addition to their written reprimand and training recommendations, the panel members would appreciate the opportunity to speak directly with not only officer one but all of the onseen officers to better understand their thought processes during the incident and to impress upon them the severity of the situation that stemmed from officer errors. There are

[34:00] significant lessons to be learned by all invol involved officers. Additionally, the panel recommends that this incident be incorporated into BPD high-risisk traffic stop training as an example of what not to do. The panel requests also to be included in this training so that they can add their perspective using the lens of the victim's experience. Furthermore, the panel requests to be informed about all BPD trainings and invited to attend along with the provision for panel members to afterward ask questions and provide their feedback about the training to BPD. Chief Redford's response. Boulder Municipal Ordinance 8609 outlines the duties and responsibilities of the panel and nowhere in the ordinance does it allow for panel members to interview officers accused of misconduct. This is the role of the independent police monitor and the professional standards unit. I, as the chief of police, do not have the authority to interview officers regarding alleged misconduct. If there was a change in the ordinance or practice where panel members, at least one of whom in this case recommended firing the officer, were allowed to

[35:00] interview employees, it would likely have a chilling effect and a direct impact on morale and retention, especially when Boulder is the only agency in the region with an oversight panel and a police monitor. I fully acknowledge the historical harm that policing has inflicted on communities of color. But in reviewing this case, I'm only able to make decisions based on the available information, and there is nothing in this case file to indicated that the driver felt victimized by the officer's actions. This incident has already been debriefed by those involved with command. The errors here have also been addressed in the high-risk stop training that has been conducted for all commissioned officers and the training team has reviewed this and is ensuring that the lessons learned here are reiterated in future trainings. Any requests to attend a particular BPD training should be directed at the independent police monitor. We welcome the panel's input on training. MI2024-071. A community member complained that after a CU football game ended, BPD officers blocked pedestrians

[36:01] from crossing a street. Um, quote, "These officers were abusive, aggressive, and disrespectful to the peaceful spectators leaving the game. I personally witnessed one officer confront and verbally abuse a physically disabled person who dared to question why he was being blocked from pressing there. The community member was not able to provide additional descriptors of the officers. Multiple officers, including officers from other agencies, were assigned to this location. Uh the allegation against an unknown officer was rule one respect value treated pedestrians aggressively while directing traffic for a CU football game. The panel recommended uh that the unknown officer's allegation be unfounded and the department agreed. The panel made additional recommendations um that BPD remind its members that BPD values, rules, and general orders apply while working secondary employment, especially since they are representing BPD by wearing BPD uniforms. Panel members also question whether BPD or CUPD can educate the public that not all

[37:02] officers working CU events are BPD officers. Panel members also stressed that while developing traffic flow plans, including for CU and other special events, that BPD take into account community members with disabilities. Chief Red's response, this would be the responsibility of CUPD as they are the responsible entity for all activity related to games, including public messaging. BPD assists CUPD, but this point is well taken and is something that can be brought up in meetings as we prepare for football season in 2020 25. I will ensure that this conversation is had with our traffic section for BPD events. This won't include football games as those plans are developed and implemented by CUPD. However, our staff working this event should be cognizant of these issues and do everything they can to make accommodations. MI2024-073 Officer 1 contacted the complainant who was charging their Tesla in the Shiakwa parking lot when the park was closed. There was another Tesla parked in the lot, but it appeared to be unoccupied. Officer one woke the

[38:00] complainant, explained that they were trespassing, and requested complainant's ID. While a name verification was processing, officer one inquired whether complainant had a vehicle charger at their home. Officer one gave complainant a warning. The contact lasted less than 4 minutes. The allegation against officer one. Um, rule one, unbiased policing profiled and discriminated against complainant based on gender expression and class. The monitor recommended that this allegation be unfounded and the department agreed. MI2024-077. Complainant alleged that officer 1 did not conduct a sufficient investigation into a theft where complainant was the victim who lost his wallet. The body warn camera captured officer one responding to a convenience store where the complainant's lost or stolen credit card was declined when another man tried to use it. Officer 1 spoke with the complainant and the clerk of the convenience store and obtained surveillance footage of the man who attempted to use complainant's credit card. Officer one attached this surveillance footage to the file and updated the theft incident report. Complainant did not respond to attempts

[39:00] to contact him to learn details about the alleged insufficient investigation. Uh the allegation against officer one was rule one customer service value failed to conduct a sufficient investigation. I recommended that this allegation be administratively closed in accordance with general order 120-13F and the department agree MI2024-085 complainant alleged that when she was arrested BPD officers left her dog in the care of a man she did not know without her authority. Officers one and two responded to Central Park because of a call of a loose dog which they learned belonged to complainant. The officers helped complainant recover her dog. Upon obtaining complainant's name, officers informed her that she had an arrest warrant from Denver and that they would need to arrest her. Complainant arranged to leave her dog with a witness. Officers repeatedly expressed concern for the well-being of her dog and offered to take the dog to the Humane Society while she was in custody. Complainant declined the suggested suggestion and insisted that witness take her dog. Given that

[40:00] complainant did not identify a specific officer and that the body warn camera refuted her allegation, the monitor declined to guess which responding officer she complained about. There was an allegation against an unknown officer of rule one did not properly secure complainant's dog which I recommended be unfounded in accordance with general order 120-1 section 8 and the department agreed MI2025-001 in 2021 complainant and her neighbor disputed the location of the lot line between their property. Complainant received a summon for trespassing and harassing her neighbor. complainant alleged that with a quite snarky tone, Sergeant Guan said, "You will just have to show that survey to the judge." In 2022, complainant disputed her summons with the professional standards unit and it was determined that there was probable cause to issue the summons. During her complaints in 2022 about this incident, complainant did not complain about her conversation with Sergeant One. Bodymore camera of her 2021 conversation with Sergeant One is no longer available.

[41:00] There's an allegation against Sergeant Juan, a rule one, customer service value, spoke to complainant in a snarky tone. I recommended that this be closed, no finding, in accordance with general order 120-13g, and the department agreed. Um, MI2025-002, an employee for a vehicle booting company and the people whose cars he booted engaged in a verbal and physical altercation. Officers one and two responded and all of the parties were interviewed and then issued summons. Employee alleged that officer one grabbed his phone from his hands and refused to return it to him for 20 minutes was racist towards employee, threatened to arrest employee and threw the summons at him. Body warn camera according to PSU refuted these allegations. Both the panel and monitor are restricted from access to the underlying evidence. Employee did not respond to requests to permit access to the evidence. This case is administratively closed pending the panel or the monitor receiving access to the evidence.

[42:00] MI2025- Z003 PSU received an anonymous email with multiple links to videos posted by a Boulder First Amended auditor alleging that BPD officers were harassing the auditor. The auditor denied that she filed this complaint and the anonymous complainant did not respond to requests for more information about alleged misconduct. Several several of the video links involved incidents already investigated under MI2024-049, MI2024-054 and MI2204-69. Remaining video captured instances that the monitor identified as opportunities for coaching responding officers and sergeants on the following topics. Bodymore camera activation, providing names and business cards upon request, process for registering complaints with PSU. Chief Redford instructed PSU to ensure that the recommended coaching takes place. Allegations are unknown officer rule four harassed the auditor. Monitor recommendations against the unknown officer are administratively closed in accordance with general order

[43:01] 120-13F and the department agreed. Okay. water. In February, the case statistics, um, the monitor classified eight cases, one of misconduct, two community inquiries, one community feedback, and four unspecified incidents. Um, I observed one interview, had zero critical incident scene response, and I deemed four investigations thorough and complete, and BPD closed 13 cases. Looking at the open docket, um, as of March 6th, 2025, there are 36 cases. uh 13 of those are classified, 12 of those are pending monitor classification, and 11 of them are in the professional standards unit preliminary investigation

[44:00] status. Um looking at the 2024 cases from the first three quarters of the year, there are three cases that are open. Um MI2024-046 is pending panel review. MI2024-058 is with the chief of police and SM2024-00001 is also pending panel review and the total number of 2024 cases that remain open at this state are 12. Uh sharing with you just some of the things that I did regarding uh additional outreach um in the community. I presented at the Hispanic community session at family learning center with Amastat. I attended various community events including multiple local black history month celebrations, the Boulder reporting lab community meeting, homeless uh TED talk about homelessness in Boulder, um the bias inside us

[45:00] exhibit opening reception and the downtown Boulder partnership awards. I also collaborated with the Boulder Valley School District executive on youth art contest specifically and Boulder police oversight in general. Anyone has any questions? Yes. Uh can you go back to the second slide when you just started? together. Yes. So, so yes. So, just uh just for the benefit of the the new guys who've come on board, um when you say the cases are waiting um the last bullet point, yes, there's eight. You said one had been scheduled, one is yet to be scheduled. So, what's the hold up with

[46:02] the other six? Those are cases that we that are still um being investigated or somewhere in the chain of command at BPD. Okay. So then go go back to your second last slide where you have 12 cases. This one. Yes. The last. So so ju just talk around these two issues for the benefit of the new guys. Sure. So classified cases um where there are 13 currently classified cases. Those are cases that the preliminary investigation has been done by the professional standards unit and I've reviewed them and identified the allegations and they are they're moving on to the next stage. Then um which then all of those cases but for one have been voted on by the

[47:01] panel. Um there are 12 that I need to review and determine how they're going to be classified. So that would be either a misconduct, serious misconduct, it could be um community inquiries, community feedback or unspecified incident. Um and then there are 11 that have not like hit my desk for my classification. Um where PSU is still working on that preliminary investigation. Thank you. Okay. Any other questions? the one that you did not vote on that the panel decided not to vote on today. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, the 12, you said there was one that just wasn't vote on completely, right? That what you're saying out of the 12 um 13 are there's

[48:01] there's a number 12 on the slide also. So, this 13 of the classified cases have already been voted on by the panel. One of them is classified and in an hour and a half will be voted on by the panel also. Uh, Sterling, I see your hand. You're muted, though. Sorry, I'm on my iPad and it's giving me issues. Can you guys hear me? Yes. All right. I just had a question about the case with the the tow truck driver and about the evidence being restricted. I've never seen that before. Is there uh anything you can um explain why that's restricted? Um there is there is a state law that apparently went into effect last year and now we are starting to see the repercussions that um create situations where without a petition by the defendant uh the case

[49:00] gets sealed to only law enforcement and personal uh court personalized. Okay. Thank you. Yes, it's something we're going to be talking more about um and the April 11th training with the police department. Great question. Great question. Um Sher in your in the agenda we have new vista, right? Um, yes. I just wanted to say that the the event with Amastad went well and that I know is a relationship that the panel hopes to hopes to move forward with in the future. And I've already talked to Solivad that had she been in

[50:01] town, I absolutely would have uh tapped her so that she could speak in Spanish to the event. But I was very glad to have the opportunity regardless. Um the uh youth art contest deadline is uh next Friday. If any of you have high schoolers or middle schoolers in your life with artistic events or friends who do, please share it out with them. Um and I had reached out to all of the high school social studies teachers at uh Boulder High, Fair View, New Vista, and uh the the Boulder Tech Center. and basically introduced myself and offered to go speak to any of their classes if they thought that would work with their curriculum and a teacher from New Vista reached out. So, we are going to be working on having me come speak and the class is basically focused on students like learning some of their rights.

[51:00] Yeah. So, I'm excited about that. I have a question. Um some of these reports have panel recommendations and other ones don't. Uh is that because some of them don't go through the panel but just the monitor? Yeah. Okay. So gener absent pretty unusual circumstances the recommendations will be either from the panel or from the monitor. Um sometimes when I classify a case I already make recommendations from from the front end. Um, but I generally, unless I would strongly disagree, I would not make additional recommendations, but I can't, but it's it's unusual. So, yeah, that's why sometimes it says panel and sometimes it says monitor. Okay. And also, the panel doesn't review all the cases. So, we vote for the cases that the panel wants to review. Gotcha. But that doesn't prevent Sherry from reviewing the cases. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense to me.

[52:03] Okay, I'm just seeing like Barry's here and I'm trying to figure out where she is on the agenda. Just review me and your feedback. Oh, that there you go. Oh, thank you. Um, so our next uh item in the agenda is panel updates, guests, guests, speakers, alloc items. Uh, and we start with um April 7th. We have our next meeting with the chief. Yeah, it should be on or it is on all of your calendars, but especially for the new panel members, um this is a great opportunity to ask questions and learn what BPD is is doing or just rolled out or is in the works or for them sometimes to ask for feedback. Um there is a a document that I link in the weekly emails where if you have questions you can add them there. We try to give the the chief notice in advance so that he

[53:02] can if it's a big topic prepare to bring someone who might be able to speak more knowledgeably u and in detail than he would be able to um but be able to come prepared to answer a question. Um, one thing that is anticipated for the this April 7th meeting is that Dr. Daniel O' Reinhardt, he's the data scientist for BPD, is actually going to be explaining the the new dashboards that rolled out on use of force and contacts that has arrest and can get um disagregated by uh like race and and gender. Um, so that is probably going to take up a larger portion of of the meeting, but I'm pretty excited to have Dr. Reinhardt walk us walk us through that presentation. Um, but if you have if you have topics that you're wondering about, put it on that put it on that question and we'll probably have a more extensive time to introduce the new panel members to the chief also.

[54:01] Um, great. So, uh, next topic training. So, we have a training coming up. We have two trainings coming up. Again, these are on your calendars. April 11th is going to be at BPD and it is mandatory for our new panel members who haven't taken it before. Uh, but also I think really this is a training that panel members tend to get very engaged and we're also including an overview of BPD. Um, so that might provide information that panel members maybe have haven't received in the past. So even if people can't make it the entire time, coming for the that first model module of BPD overview, I think could be really really helpful and another opportunity to um, you know, talk with the new panel members in person. Excellent. And then April 21st, right? Oh yes, in April 21st, um Farah is

[55:00] developing, um a case review training for panel members, which should be very beneficial for new panel members, but also uh extremely helpful for current panel members also. Can you just say what time the uh training at BPD is on today? Um I think we're slotting noon to 5. You said you were I think available at noon. Yes. Thank you. Um and next we have case review Mark. So that will be you Farah. Hi everyone. Um good to see you all. Farah Musketin consultant for the city of B of Boulder. Welcome to the new panel members. Good to see you again. Um just a quick update on the case manual. Thank you um to the panel members that gave feedback. My brain has been

[56:01] churning with um not necessarily redoing it but updating it based on the feedback. Um but there's a couple things that I wanted to make sure that we discussed and that was clear because I think it might have gotten missed in my in my email that I sent a couple weeks ago. one is is the document that you send is not what the document is going to look like in its finality. Um, in my experience of doing these types of things, it's it's way easier, much much easier to have the content finalized before you kind of go into the beautifification phase. Um, and so it won't be kind of like I my plan was never for it to be kind of like a boring word document. I do plan on um including some visualizations, but I really wanted to make make sure that I got kind of the well of course the content and making sure that the process of how you review complaints was accurate and any substantive information that you felt

[57:01] was needed is in there. Um so I just want to make that, you know, make sure everybody understands that. The second thing that I wanted to make sure that everybody was on the same page of in that document there was a link to a worksheet. And essentially my idea behind the worksheet was let's say you're sitting at home, you're doing a case review. This worksheet would be something that you could use to write down your notes, your initial impressions, to write down like what you feel like a potential disposition could be. write down your questions that you may have for the panel that's reviewing the case and or for Sherry is never the intent for this um it was done in Google and my note in the email saying that the final product would not be in Google I was using Google um forms is just an example but this worksheet is literally only for personal use and and it's optional like you don't have to use it so the goal was to have it kind of in

[58:00] two forms one for those who like you know an electronic version to have an electronic version and then those who would prefer to have like a word version um it would be sent to you via email and then you could print it and use you know handnotes but this is this is just really to help you organize your thoughts. It would be no different than h however you do case review now if you pull out a notebook and write down your notes it's the same thing. This is just more of a guide and um like an organized way of helping you think through what you're reviewing when you're doing case reviews. So, I just want to make sure those are two things. And again, I need to emphasize one, Google Forms is not going to be used. It's only example only. And two, this is an optional resource to use. Like if you don't think that the worksheet is going to be helpful for you and how you review cases, you don't have to use it. But there might be someone particularly in the beginning or to you know in terms of organizing their thoughts to be better

[59:01] prepared for case review may find it helpful to use. So again emphasizing the point that it's optional and will not be in Google. Um it'll it's going to be in whatever form that's going to be that's consistent with Boulder policies and also that you guys have access to and can use um in um in how you do um do your work, right? And you you don't have to turn it in. It's not an assignment. I mean it's literally for yours only. So just want to make sure that those are clear. The other thing that I would am specifically looking for feedback on is when I did the first iteration of the draft, I literally started at the point of a complaint coming in through the end. And just doing that, the document was like 15 pages. So when I came back to it, I'm like, well, maybe we should just start at the point that you guys have already voted to review the case.

[60:01] And so the document that I sent to you starts at that point. If you think that it would be helpful to start at the point that the complaint comes in, I'm happy to put that. I have to beef it up a little bit, but I have this, you know, content around that. It's just that I was kind of balancing between having a document that is substantive enough but not too long because I feel like if it's too long, you may not use it. and I really want you to use it or have something, you know, essentially this is meant to teach you how to swim before we throw you in the pool. Um, as it relates to case review. So, if you think that if the general sentiment is that it would be helpful to have the process of, you know, how what happens when a complaint comes in through the case review, then I'm happy to put put that back in there. Um, I just kind of wanted to give you some context about why I started from the point that after you have voted, so

[61:01] like tonight you're probably going to vote on some cases. The So, so this manual will start at that point. You've reviewed you you voted to review case X. So now what happens next? The manual answers that question. Does that make sense to everybody? And so um so yeah, so that so essentially I'm really looking at feedback on that to see kind of where you want where what what is most beneficial of the starting point for you guys. Um because this is essentially for you. I mean I'm not going to use it. Um and um and then you know we can you know just go from there um in terms of what you think will be most helpful or any other point like you know what I mean? It doesn't necessarily have to be those two points. It could be any point that you think is helpful. Sorry, someone was saying something. Yeah, I was just saying for me personally, I think the way that you have it already um starting at the point of after we voted that makes most sense to me.

[62:04] There's one thing that I'm going to change. I think this is based on feedback that I got from Lizzie. I I I I I I I think that it's helpful to have the appropriate sections of the ordinance in there, but I kind of think it's probably better in the appendix so you can refer to it as needed. I think it throws off the vibe in the middle of the document a little bit. So, I think I am going to move move that after I saw that feedback from Lizzie, I was like, "Yeah, that makes sense." So I am going to move some things around um and focus more on the process part on the front end and then the things that you might need to reference stick all that in in the appendix. Does that make sense? Yes, it does. Yeah, we have Alan here with a question for it. It looks to me that this panel recommendation template kind of follows what we already get from Sherry and it seems kind of redundant for us to read Sherry's report

[63:02] and then we have to fill out information on this other on this template. Yeah, that's Well, that's all I'm saying is that it just doesn't it's in the same agenda anyway because this we might for reference that the monitor uses these criteria for which he submits a a recommendation or whatever report to us. I think it's it's I just want to make sure I understand. Is he talking about your evidence summary? I'm not quite sure what document he's talking about. It's called panel recommendation template and you get that from shear. I think it must be the Google form you're referring to. I think what he's getting what he gets from me is the evidence outline. That's what I'm asking. That's what I'm asking. So, you're saying that the evidence outline is redundant with the worksheet? I think so. Just want to make sure I understand. But I think what needs to happen is that we be sure that the

[64:01] monitor's information matches up with our case review manual. I think Alan, the way I interpreted it, you guys can still hear me too when I'm facing this way, but the the form, the Google form is meant to give you a way to sort of structure your notes as you go through the review if you want it. And at the top, the section where it's like the case details is really just for your reference. Like I know when I have three case reviews in a week, sometimes you sort of forget which one you're reviewing and you know, so it didn't feel redundant to me. I understand what you were saying, but I think it's like if it's helpful for you to have a quick guide and I think I'm probably old school because lines in the you print stuff out. So you probably don't need it because you already have your own reference. I think it's a tool. That's a

[65:01] 100% optional as well. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Yes. I haven't been able to access the form. So, I sent a request. Okay. I'll do that right when we click. I need to do I'm trying to do it from my phone, but it's not working. I need to do it from my computer. So, you'll have it in like five minutes. Okay. And I guess maybe just to like share with the rest of the group what you and I kind of went back and forth a little bit about. I I had adding more details about the early part of the process mostly because that comes up a lot new panel members of feeling like I don't really understand what's expected of me during voting on cases. I don't really know what the criteria should be. Am I just deciding? Um so I thought it could be helpful to have that kind of spelled out. Um, and if it made the document pretty long, I was sort of envisioning people using this more as like for reference, like I'm going to reference

[66:00] this chunk because I'm about to go into a meeting and then maybe later when I have my first case review, I'll read this other section rather than like feeling like you had to sit down and read the whole thing. Um, but I guess hearing you first say that you don't feel like you need that right now after kind of having like your intro with Sherry, maybe that's less necessary. I would definitely defer to you guys on what you need. Yeah. Um I mean now that you put it like that, uh sound appealing just to have a guide of Yeah. what to be doing prior to prior to voting. I wouldn't feel like the document was too long. I just figured that um before the voting process, it would just be a matter of reading the the the file, but I that was probably maybe something if there's more to do than that, then I could probably use a step by step. Yeah, maybe there's like Wait, I just want I just want to make sure I understand this because like you don't at the time that you're voting, you won't you review the file after the

[67:00] vote, not before. Like, am I am I understanding that correctly? Right. Okay. So, you have just essentially the summary that Sherry sends you. Yes. That's what you're relying on to vote yay or nay whether or not a case should be reviewed. Is that it's not not that we just went over? No, you guys are right. I think so. They're they're talking about the case summaries, reviewing the case summary before the panel meeting, not reviewing the full case details. Oh, got it. Okay. Okay. And so what you're talking about, Lizzy, is adding um like prior to a vote, adding something about what panel members should do prior to them voting on a case. I mean, I think it could be really brief, too. Like what I suggested initially maybe is way too much depth, but if it's just like cases come in to PSU, PSU does a review, Sherry decides

[68:01] when the panel is ready to vote on them, the panel gets to read a case summary document before the meeting, and then the panel votes based on whatever criteria you determine for yourself. Like maybe even just those like five or six bullets is helpful to understand the process. I let me Yeah. Yeah. I I'm going to visualize that. I think maybe putting that in like a flowchart or some sort of visual might be helpful and then some content with it. That actually won't make it significantly longer. That's maybe a page. Yeah, that would be great. I would love that. Yeah, I still look for that. And I I don't know Farah maybe um what is expected of people like if you because I remember we didn't have any training the first time we we had to vote on the case. We had no idea what we were doing. Um we ended up voting you know I mean we did our best but um and so just maybe what what are the expectations? How do we read a summary? Um what are we looking for in

[69:01] particular? Um maybe I don't know but uh but just a a process a little bit and maybe explaining also like what is classified, what is PSU like there's in there that's in there. It's in there. That's okay. So, I'll add that I'll add that section and add a little bit because essentially what I think I'm hearing is is kind of getting you to the point getting you prepared to the point of when you vote and then also kind of delineating what the expectations are when you take a vote, right? Would that be a good Okay. Okay. That makes total sense. Yeah. And that's not, you know, two pages tops. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much, Farah. I really appreciate the work you and the thoughtfulness that you put into that. It's going to be very, very helpful. So, I I plan on working on that and send I'll send you guys an updated draft

[70:00] hopefully by next Monday. It's nothing, you know, that I think um let me think this through. Let me think this through a little bit more because I don't want to waste your time on reviewing drafts. I do think that it might be better for you to give me feedback on a draft that has kind of some of the beautifification that I'm thinking through on it. So, um I might skip the second draft and give you um an almost final draft to review. Um and then what the I want to add a few seconds of a little bit more context what we're going to do on April 21st. I'm still in search of a right case and I'll be honest with you. Um, I like to take I've done these trainings before and I like to take the cases from the Chicago oversight system because on their website they post everything the body camera the police reports the, you know, the reports that are drawn up by the investigator and it's really really helpful to me to do these trainings with an actual complaint that came from somebody. I prefer not to do a case that

[71:02] the case that involves an officer involved shooting because those are very very intricate and you guys really won't see those. So, um it take me a little bit longer to find a good example. But essentially, I'm going to give you an example with the materials and we're going to walk it through with the manual in hand and kind of do that as a live like think of it as like a live group case review and kind of walk that through. And this might also give um show us what might need to be added or not to the manual too. Um because the manual is going to be a working document. So when I give you the final version, it'll be final in quotes, right? if we need to edit it, we can edit it down the road. Um, so that's essentially what we're going to be doing. Um, I want to, um, honor your time. So, I think we've scheduled it for maybe an hour and a half and two hours, but I'm aiming for an hour and a half of the exercise. And if we need time for

[72:00] discussion, time for discussion. So, it should be, you know, a pretty not quick thing, but it's not going to be extensively time consuming for you guys. and it's more of an active exercise where we're all participating together. So that's that's kind of my goal for the 21st. And that's that's that's my update. So I'm going to make those two changes. I'm going to um work on editing the the um the draft and adding some beautifification so you can really kind of get a better idea of what the end product is going to look like. and then um send you that for for some some feedback and then we'll have it, you know, ready to go for our training on April 21st. But if anything comes up in between then, you guys know, you can email me, text me, um or if you want to talk about it, just ping me and I'll give you guys the access in two seconds. Thank you. All right. Thank

[73:02] you everybody. Thank you, Farah. Okay. Bye. Bye bye. Um, okay. So, next in our agenda is uh public comment. Uh, clarity vitals. We've changed that. So, um, we, um, do we have members of the public? Just one person. Just one person. Okay. So, every member of the public will be asked if they'd like to comment and be unmute to answer. uh the public will get to uh uninterrupted minutes to comment uh that can be extended uh at the discretion of the vote chairs uh and we uh we will start for uh with Oh, thank you for that fancy timer. Great. Um I don't have do you see? Okay, Kaylee. Um, do you wish to provide

[74:02] public comment? Just Okay, we're working on it. Just ask again. Okay. Should I ask again? Katie. Uh Katie Harden, would you like to provide comment right now? You can unmute yourself. Doesn't seem okay. Um so with that we will should we take like a three minute bio break before we go to close session

[75:01] and then uh we'll move into close session and we'll be back. I think you still need to vote whether people are people need to make a motion if they want. Oh okay. So should we do that after we come back from the bio break or should we do it in the end? Um why not do it so if we do go to close session then we can figure out the tech. Okay. Perfect. So we need a motion to go to close session please in a second. I'll make a motion we go to close session. Thank you consider a shorter close session. Can we specify since there's so few cases? Do we need 20 minutes? Let's take 20 minutes and if we're done early we can just come back. I guess we can end early. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Uh, please uh show hands to go to close session after the byl and Jason. I don't see. Perfect.

[76:01] Okay, we're good. Okay, so let's take a five minute break and then we'll back we'll do that session. Our next items uh in the agenda will be uh final regular business starting with uh case review voting. So we have one case um to review and that will be MI 2025-00005 has to review the summary. Yes. Hey Sherry the Oh don't you usually say like what the rule violations are. Oh should I read that? Okay. See? Okay. Let me show I can do it. Um, this case involves

[77:00] allegations against one officer. They involve uh three rule one and one rule four allegations. Uh we are voting either yes to take the to review the case or no not to or to abstain. Sorry. Um, Solidad. Uh, yes. Milen, yes. Lizzy, yes. Uh, Kristen, yes. Jason, Jason, you're um muted. Sorry, I hit the space bar, but it did not work. No for me. Uh, Chico, no. Alan, yes. AB, no.

[78:05] I wasn't. Yeah. Yeah. So, we doing volunteers for Yep. Okay. So, we need volunteers to review the case. They can volunteers. Can um new families volunteer for reviewing a case? Can they um they need they need their training and they need to shadow a case. So, I would probably say not right now, but maybe we're four. They could shadow. Um yeah I mean they can shadow any cases that are three list plus one. Okay so volunteers too would be okay. I say me I haven't volunteered for one. Really? I volunteered you for one. Okay. I I did volunteer last time. So

[79:03] it's VC Milan. Sorry. Sorry. So case number please. MI2025-00005 easy and we can volunteer to shadow. Yes, I'd like to do that. Can I also volunteer to shadow? Yeah, it would be great to both of you. Oh, add you to this new chart. Sorry. Do you have that, Sena? Yep. Okay, then I'm not gonna try right now. Cool. So, uh, so assignment cases and we're good. Case assignment status. Do we do we need to do that? Oh, maybe we can. Okay. Okay. Perfect. So, we um the exciting adventure of the day. Uh, so we

[80:01] are going to proceed with the cochair election and I want to thank Alan and Milan for proposing a way of conducting this election. So I'm gonna hand the mic to you both so you can lead us in the process. Okay. Um so we um just for new panelists um we we've decided to um Alan and I created a committee to review the process of elections and we've decided to make it more of a kind of a sociocratic type of approach to elections where everybody on the panel unfortunately accepted to um student members um can um oh actually I don't know can anybody on this panel Even the can um be elected as co-chairs and then um the the top four we will have two rounds. The top four people will be asked to consent. Um

[81:01] if shall they be elected to be co-chairs. If they do consent then they go to the second round. If they don't consent then we'll take the next person uh from the list. Um, and so it was just a way to rather than run for a uh position to to give everybody a chance to be selected by their co-panelist. So that we because sometimes we can see a leader in a person who doesn't feel like a leader themselves. And so that was that was opening it up to to people who may not um see themselves as leader even though they're very qualified for it. So we're we're experimenting. we're limited in in some ways by our um uh bylaws. Um so we had to work around that. But anyway, it will be in two rounds. What we're going to ask you, I think Selena and Sherry prepared a form where you select two

[82:00] names of the co of the panelist. I want to say that um and we're going to have a round of intros and a little bit like getting to know each other with some questions and then we're going to look at what are we looking into what are what skills and and talents are we looking for in in a co-chair for a panel such as this one. And so um and then we'll have the form we'll put two names. Um um Sherry will uh be in charge of telling the numbers and then we'll um go to the second round and hopefully we'll have two coach chairs by the end of tonight. We will. And so one is leaving. So So um does anybody have any questions, any remarks? like um and it's pretty straightforward. Okay, so we're going to

[83:01] start with um a round um and I got together and we decided that we were going to do like a quick round of intros. I want to say that there's one panel members who couldn't be here tonight. Um his name is Bill Cruz. Um, uh, I talked to him, um, and asked him to send a bio to Selena and to also, uh, let Selena know if he consent or not, uh, to being a co-chair, shall we be in the second round. So, um, I want everybody to also consider this person um, Bill, um, for potentially being a lead uh, coach coach tonight. So you know we decided three minutes each uh to give a quick intro and then we thought that we would like to know about you. How do you deal with stressful situations and what kind of support do you need in such cases in in

[84:01] three minutes like just a a little it's short but um we felt like since we deal with a lot of stressful situation it's nice to know how we can support each other and what to expect like some of us shut down some of us are like referred to scream so so just knowing that will will allow us to how to respond and support each other better. So, whoever want to start and maybe we should start with um um online folks. Yeah. Jason, do you want to start or Amy? Um I I I'm willing to start and say that I'm not interested in this because I don't have enough time for it. Please don't. Sorry. That's that's one of the things I'd like for us to refrain from doing is like in order to keep the energy and the the process. Um do not do

[85:04] not say whether you want to be co-chair right now. Let's wait till the second round if you're selected if that's possible. Um so that because we don't want to change the the dynamic of the process. Okay. I'm sorry about that. What I'll say is that I've been on I've been on for uh the panel for quite some time. Uh I appreciate the work that's being done and um and and especially in this last year, I've watched um Solidad and and Victor do a great job. Um especially in the beginning with a couple of things that uh I think divided us. Um and and uh I um I think that that is what I'm looking for in a person is somebody that both can bring their own thoughts and ideas but at the same time um understand that in that role your

[86:00] goal is for everybody to be heard and respected. Yes. Sorry. We we'd like to have a quick intro of who you are. Okay. and tell us how you um deal with stressful situations and um what kind of support you need in a stressful situation. Okay. [Music] Um I believe I've been in a number of stressful situations over my life. Um, if I know they're coming, I work real hard to prepare for them. Um, and part of my preparation is to try to understand the players in the situation and put myself into their shoes and see how they are approaching it. Um if I can't then I I I typically will look at

[87:02] certain things that I'm seeing happening. Uh for example, I believe that if a person is um exhibiting anger then they are hurt in some way. And because of that hurt, that pain, um, they are they are expressing it in anger towards somebody else. It might not be anger towards somebody else. It might just be saying, "I'm in pain." Um, and at the same time, what I'll try to see in myself is if I am expressing anger, what kind of pain am I in? um and and how can I change uh and recognize that and maybe be more honest about my own pain. Um what I will also say is that I I have done a lot of personal

[88:00] work to understand who I am and what I am um and how people perceive me and I it's an ongoing process. I will always do that. Um some days I'll be better than others. Um, I believe we support you. Yeah. And and I feel that support and and I'm very appreciative of the group. It it takes me a little while to get to to be trusting as part of my uh childhood. Um, but I I am willing and I do like to get to know folks. Um, anyway, I think I've taken too long and and I'm hoping that other people won't take as long as me because No, you you're fine. You were the first one. So, we're we're trying this out. Okay. Well, I I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you. Can you tell us like 30 seconds who you are, like what you do or something about you to introduce yourself? Sure.

[89:00] Uh, I I'm a lawyer in town. I mostly have been a criminal defense practitioner. Um, I recall when I was a young public defender and how angry I was with police and um and I and I see that often with the the young attorneys that I do uh see around. Um, I'm not angry with police now. There are some police I'm very angry with. Um, but I think I have a better understanding of of where they come from and that's taken time. Um, I I've lived in in this area for in Boulder uh city for I think 25 years or thereabouts. Um, and practiced here as well as other parts of Colorado. uh and I have a fair understanding of the system um from uh time of walking down the street to end of sentence if that is what ends

[90:01] up happening um including all of the interactions with police uh both initially through the process and uh eventually. Um thank you. Thanks. AB. Um, hi. What would you You want me to answer? How do I deal with stressful situations? Yeah. Quick bio. What do you want? Introduce yourself. Introduce yourself first so that we get to know you and then um if you can Yeah. how you deal with stressful situation and how the panel or individuals can support you. Okay. Um, I'm AB and um, I live in Boulder, North Boulder, up in the foothills. Um, I'm a I'm divorced. I'm a single mom. I'm

[91:00] parenting my 15-year-old twin solo. They're high performance athletes, so I'm everywhere, every day, all the time. A lot of these meetings are in the car because I drive back and forth to Denver daily. So, um I'm a life coach. I have been a coach for over 30 years. I'm also a potter. Um I help people connect with themselves. That's what I do. That's my superpower. Um what's the next thing you want to know? How I deal with stressful situations? Yes. Um I live in a perpetual state of stress. I don't know what unstressful situations look like. I love Jason's answer of if he could see it coming. I'm like, what would that be like? Um I um because of what I do for work and because of my the two kids, one goes is

[92:02] a ballerina in Denver at Colorado Ballet. She's in the pre-professional program. The other one is an elite soccer player. So, I'm traveling all around all the time. And um one of the things that I'm sorry, there's a dog in the trash. Okay. And I'm back. Perpetual stress. Um and um yeah, that's my life. So, how do I deal with it? Um, I'm very used to juggling and um, the things that I'm really devoted to, which is where right now at 58, I'm trying to hone in where I need to be and because I can't be everywhere. So, I need to be there for my kids. I need to be there for myself and the organizations that are true to my heart, which um as I've told Victor, I love pop and clarifying my life and taking a lot

[93:02] of things out that are just making noise allows me to focus more on the things that are important to me, which relieves some of that stress. Not completely, it's always there, but you know, there's there's there's some light Great. And and is there a way you'd like us to support you when you're in a stressful situation or you expect you'd like people to support you in general? Um I think the only thing that you guys as a panel can do is just continue doing what you're doing. Have patience with me as I'm learning how to be part of a panel. And um I'm not really good at letting people in in that way. So, I have this feeling that I can do it all and I can't. So, pulling me in. Sherry's been really good about like texting me and saying, "Hey, where are you?" I'm like, "Oh, that's right. I'm supposed to be there." So, um I think that's the best way. That's the

[94:00] best kind of support I can have. Unless someone wants to drive someone back and forth to Denver, that would be great support. Since you asked, I will take you up on that. I'm not joking. you know, so this this single mama could use all the help she can get. Thank you so much. No, thank you. It's good to see you. Good to see you. Thank you. Do you want to go next? Sure. Um, I also just have to warn you, I have to I have 30 and I know we're kind of rapidly burning through our time, so I will try to make up a little time. Um, I'm Lizzy. I've been on the panel for two years. I live in South Boulder. I have two kids. Um, fifth grade and seventh grade. They're both super into sports as well, so I feel your pain. AB. Um, was that a Were you at NYC this weekend in the at the

[95:00] convention center? No, cuz my kids are Were their high schoolers there? Yeah. Yeah. For sports. It's It's a ballet thing. It's okay. Oh, it's Oh. Oh, you're talking about the YAGP. Similar, but Oh, okay. Well, we were at the YAGP like last weekend because they got third place and they'll be going to Tampa. Woohoo. So, I've got to buy plane tickets and see how I'm gonna afford all this. It's not pain, it's pleasure. Um, so that's that's a lot of my time these days. Um, but I also love love to read. Always up for talking about books. if anyone has good recommendations. I love going to the movies. Always love for talking about movies as well. Um I for work I right now work for the Denver Department of Public Health and Environment. Um I'm super passionate about local government work. Um and especially public health. I've really I've worked um in this job for the last three years and really fallen in love

[96:00] with it. I work with our data science, population health epidemiology and communicable disease epidemiology teams. Um, which is super fascinating and occasionally kind of terrifying seeing all the like near misses and things that public health is doing every day to prevent huge disasters. Um, so it's it's very rewarding, very challenging and sometimes difficult, especially in current climates like this. So been an interesting time. Um, I really love working with the panel. I in a previous job before this one, I worked for the Denver Sheriff Department in kind of a reform focused role. Um, and that was a incredible learning experience. I learned a lot about some of the really great work that happens in a law enforcement agency and a lot of the really like difficult systemic issues. Um, how real those challenges are, but also how difficult and complicated it can be to solve them. It looks really simple often from the, you know, from the outside or from the community. Um, and it's it's really

[97:01] hard. Um, so that gave me a lot of perspective on work like what we're doing here. Um, and I really appreciate the ability to kind of work on um in this area with my own. So, uh, as for stress, I I need alone time. I need quiet. Um, you know, kind of an introvert. I need to to recharge for sure. Um, but I also part of the way I manage stress is by like doing things and jumping in and trying to solve problems. So, you know, this panel helps me helps me do that sometimes feeling like we're part of a solution. So, that's me. Thank you question. I don't know. I'm um I don't know. I'm I'm too new. No, I'm not I will refrain from any of that. like you've had asked um done but um I am

[98:03] a culture of the college just I teach it to you I teach classes on um gender culture and sexuality this semester I also teach um classes on policing and popular culture and teach classes on Brazil and police and community and gang violence there um I also have been doing um writing a lot of country conditions reports for people seeking asylum um because of persecution by gangs or because of sexual violence in Brazil. Um so I you know in doing eographic field work um in prisons um and amongst people who have been getting involved um I'm really good at kind of compartmentalizing things. Um and you know kind of focusing on the why

[99:00] and how to help people rather than myself. Um I too am a single mom of two kids. one is now in college, which is both great and like great because I have free time for myself. I can go to yoga once in a while instead of just being an Uber driver unpaid for children. But um you know, it's also even though she has a scholarship, I still have to pay for housing in New York City, which is not inexpensive at all. Um, and then I have another kid who I run around a theater kid, you know. Um, when I am stressed out, I breathe a lot. Um, I am getting better at asking for help. I'm getting better at saying no. Um, well, so that's about it. Thank you.

[100:01] Alan. Sure. I'm uh Alan. I live in North Boulder. 30. So, I hope I don't break I don't break the qu but I uh I write books when I make movies and u co or no co I figured out I don't get out much and um so I occupy my time with that kind of stuff but uh stresswise I've always found myself to be kind of an even keel But I've been in enough sort of facilitation experiences where I've had to really deal with angry people actually almost going fisticuffs and um and so it's like Jason says I anticipate that happening all the time. But I know it happens

[101:00] spontaneously. And so actually was a city training that I took many years ago about uh how to intervene in in anger situations. And I've used that technique quite a bit over the years. So I'm pretty settling people down. But I think the the most prevent preventive methods is really just kind of doing what we're doing now where we get to know each other, talk, maybe do things outside of the the meeting and [Music] um what else am I supposed to say? How we can support you? Oh, you can support me. I think just uh keep putting the work and be open to for everyone to be open to support because if you have the sort of mutual network it makes it a lot easier rather than say what you did last week. Do you hear what that happened? Just being transparent and being straightforward.

[102:00] Thank you. I guess I skipped myself. I'll just go next so that we're we're going around. Um, my name is Milan. Um, my, um, outside of the police of a site panel, I'm a translator, uh, freelance translator. I've been doing that for many years and I do a lot of volunteer work, uh, and organizing and activism at the intersection of racial justice and climate change. Um, I've been in Boulder for many years. I was born and raised in France. Um yeah, I came to Boulder about 13 years ago. I have a 23 year old um daughter um who's wonderful and uh I'm I'm on the panel because I believe that anybody in a position of power wearing a gun needs an oversight um by citizens and uh need everybody in

[103:00] our very u um white city of Boulder um needs to be represented and especially the people who um um we tend to um to forget in a city like Boulder. So, um I really believe in um representation and in keeping said anyone with a gun uh in a position of power accountable. And um when I'm stressed, I think everybody knows I think I think everybody knows when I'm like feeling stressed a little bit. Um sometimes I need to shut down. Sometimes I'm visibly upset. Um I think in terms of support um I'm also an introvert and I need to kind of go and lick my by myself and then just talk things through eventually so that I can process it and

[104:02] post it. So um the way I try to do it also is um going back to my meditation practice and and um and trying to start running again. So that those are the two things that really help me um deal with stress. And as far as the panel goes, I think the panel has been pretty good overall at supporting me or each other. I feel like we are there there's definitely um camaraderie here and and uh um yeah so I'm think the panel is already doing it so that sure so can I keep it short so um reg um for kids they uh all graduated or are graduating my last youngest one from Fair View. Uh three of them

[105:00] um are attending or attended CU. Um my husband teaches at CU and I am the public policy director for state coalition against domestic violence. So I work in policy a lot. Um that's my job actually. Uh and I identify as a Latina. uh even though I learned that I was a person of color six years ago when I brought back to Boulder. So, uh that's been interesting. Um and the reason that I'm here is because I think I have skills uh for whatever reason and that is my obligation to put them to service uh of my community. And uh my my first um I guess motive for joining the panel was to give a voice to Hispanic uh Latino immigrants that live in Boulder

[106:02] that are not seen. Um when I'm stressed I I'm from Chile. I mean we had two of the three biggest earthquakes on the history earth. I don't know. Unless it's a earthquake on nine scale, I don't get stressed. I'm pretty good at dealing with stress. Um I'm calm, I think. And and and I'm I'm able to kind of process and talk through things and, you know, I get mad later when I'm alone, but usually I don't. Um I raise four teenagers at the same time. So I'm literally I'm you know, over I got surgery. So and and the support I think uh I can say that the support that I have needed in days that I haven't showed up because life had gotten messy I received it and I'm super grateful. So um I think that

[107:00] that that's what we're here for as you said like if one can show up at any given point and having people that have your back I think that's the deal. That's it. Thank you. Yeah. Uh uh my name is Curtis Rogers. I am originally from Indianapolis. Traveled to to Boulder for Nuropa to study psychology. Um I found my way to the police oversight panel uh due to another student leader who I have a lot of respect for um who is involved in um social engagement told me that this might be a good way to uh to serve. I feel that I have a um a sincere um desire to be of service to the community that I'm a part of. Um and I'm always open to learn um ways to better do that. Uh the way that I deal with stress is I typically um look at stress as like a way of

[108:02] overwhelm for me. That's usually when I become stressed. And uh the way I found to navigate that is to just focus on one thing at a time and kind of narrow my focus down to the next step that's in front of me. And that seems to reduce my stress. Um and the ways to that I will feel supported is clear communication as long as I know um that communication is clear, you know, back and forth. I'm able to communicate with you and you communicate with me uh in a safe um space. and I believe I can um feel supported in that way. Great. Thank you. All right. Hello everyone again. My name is Donnie Austin. I am actually a transfer student. So I was at Harvard University studying corporate law and then I transferred back home to CU Boulder where I'm double majoring in accounting and real estate and also double minoring in multicultural leadership studies and music. A little bit about me. I would say I'm kind of

[109:00] the opposite of a lot of people in the room. I actually operate under stress. Um stress to me is what keeps me moving. Like I set a goal for myself each day and I make sure I accomplish that goal by the end of the day and I'm just always doing so much that there's a lot of stress going on. Personally, I do have a podcast. So I'm in charge of a podcast called No Justice No Peace, but KJKP. Um, with this podcast, we have, um, received lots of attention. So, I was able to be in charge of all history teachers in 186 high schools. I was in charge of providing professional development to them, making sure they were adequate and upto-date with what they were teaching their students and that they were actually right for teaching their students. Um, I do do a lot of advocacy work. I identify as multi-racial. I am Puerto Rican, Nigerian, and Hawaiian. kind of a weird little combination, but um beautiful. Thank you. And so I want to make sure

[110:00] that I'm advocating for all different communities and that's why I really started my journey. It definitely started with when I was in high school, I wanted to take um an African-American history course and they were like, "Oh no, only seniors could take that. Like you're a freshman, you can't take that." I just thought it was very weird because it wasn't required. So I made sure that history representing all different students that were in my community was infused into all different content areas and schools. So I got a resolution passed and that's how I started working. Um an example of stress I will say once I got the resolution passed um I was able to be on the Today Show a couple magazine covers white house education board I was working with them Denver Broncos Nuggets Deion Sanders etc. But you know once you get a lot of attention so does comes a lot of hate as well. Um so with this just advocating for equity and minority history and within schools I did receive death threats and a lot of hate mail or people threatening to come up to my school at the time to get me or harming my family things like that. But

[111:02] again like that also teaches me that what I'm doing is right and advocating for my community is what I dedicated my life to. So, that's exactly what I was going to continue doing. I didn't let that stop me. Um, I leaned into my family, my beliefs, my values, how I embody leadership myself, and what that could look like for other students, and how I was just putting them in high places where they could be at the table and speak about just the resources they could have, letting them know the resources they could have, and providing them like amplified opportunities. So, being part of this panel, my mother was an officer actually. So, I was raised by my grandparents. I wasn't raised by my mom or dad. But just knowing that she was an officer and being able to see her like some of the time and some of the responsibilities she was doing, I knew it was definitely a right decision. And being able to work with APD and DPD in the past, it also taught me a lot about what it's like to be close to officers, a lot of like insight. So, I knew that I wanted to be part of the Boulder community and see what we have to offer here.

[112:01] Thank you so much. and and you didn't say can how can we support you? I will say honestly I already kind of feel very supported. I am kind of new to the Boulder community and I definitely wanted to find ways to like advocate for my community here in Boulder. Um so just being able to like apply for this panel once I found out about it also from like a friend as well. It just taught me like I would say a lot. like provided me with another opportunity that I could take in order to reach my goals that I want to reach. So Lena, yeah, I'll uh read off um Bill's introduction. So his introduction is as a human being, I'm guided by two core beliefs that everyone has a good heart and that everyone deserves to be trusted. These beliefs shape the way I engage with others, allowing me to be open and accepting of different perspectives. I strive to build meaningful connections, fostering authentic relationships where both

[113:00] people can learn and grow. I am committed to continuous learning and taking responsibility when I misstep, being accountable to my actions and apologizing when necessary. I believe that everyone has a story and when we create spaces to hear each other's stories, we cultivate understanding and recognize that everyone is doing their best with the tools they have. So his professional background uh he has spent 25 years working as a facilitator and a mediator serving on various advisory and policy boards in both leadership and team member capacities. As a member of the team um he engages actively, stays informed and contributes meaningfully to discussions. Um I'm just going to read this as a I um as a leader I focus on facilitation ensuring that all voices are heard and that discussions are productive. In my role as a co-chair of pop I will work with the co-chair on behalf of the board and serve as a I can't say that word coind co I don't know to the I think so

[114:02] to the independent police monitor following up on making sure that the panel's desire are met. I want to work with the coach to make sure we have the necessary information to make informed decisions and for fostering an environment where respectful and compassionate dialogue can take place even when there is a disagreement. And then how we stand uh handles stressful situations. In stressful situations, I believe I operate at my best. I remain calm and focus on understanding the story and emotions driving the stress. Recognizing that stress stress is often tied to deeper personal narratives allows me to approach the situation with empathy. My approach is to assess whether conversation should happen privately or within the larger group ensuring that the dialogue is productive rather than um re reactionary and facilitated in a compassionate way. I do I do not use shame or blame when engaging in difficult discussions as I believe that

[115:00] addressing conflict with cur curiosity and understanding leads to more meaningful resolutions and the support needed for us to navigate stressful situations effectively as a panel. We must recognize that each of us plays a role in supporting one another. It is also important to be honest and willing to your own your own role in the stress board. Ultimately, what we can do with each other is transforming the energy of the stress into productive conversations. I believe a conflict transformation workshop would be beneficial in helping us to develop a shared understanding of how to handle conflict uh productively. the support I need for everyone to acknowledge that we are all doing our best and that our work or I'm sorry and that our best will work different depending on personal circumstances. If we can approach each other with patience and trust, we will create an environment where we can engage in honest conversations and move forward as an impactful panel. Yeah. You want to give a quick intro

[116:01] about yourself? Uh sure. Hi everyone. Um again my name is Selena. I have been working with the city for almost two years. Um I am actually from California. So I just moved here from to Colorado with my fiance with my fiance. Um so I previously was working for a construction company. Um and I was doing HR there for quite some time and I just wanted a different path in my life. I studied business management um with the concentration um in management and um I graduated during co so that was definitely a weird time of my life um because I had to decide exactly what I wanted to do for the rest of my life in such a weird moment of time. Um and then I was a server for a really long time. So, I was in the serving or in the restaurant industry for quite some time and um yeah, I just didn't really want that

[117:02] job for the rest of my life. Um so, I actually um ended up starting a really small business. It was more um in relation to like um resell more like. Um, so I ended up just reupping clothing and then that ended for quite some time and then I ended up with the construction job. So I was there for 3 years and then yeah I am a middle child so you know that I balance between an older sibling and a younger sibling. So I definitely have to be the mediator at times. Um, I come from a Mexican I come from Mexican culture. So my parents are from Mexico. I'm first generation and primarily my language was always Spanish. So my second langu language was English. So I had grew up majority of the time hearing Spanish. But that's my

[118:02] background. Thank you. Thank you. Um Sherry has sent us the form to our email. So we're ready to vote. If you want to open your computers and look for your email, see the email. Um, we will have a link in there. Um, and you can vote. Um, we we're skipping the second activity because um, we can do that some other time. Um, well, no, we can't because we have to coach it anyway next year. Um and um and so select um two two at the most one or two um names and then press submit and we'll go into the um it and then now I'm not so packag And I don't

[119:02] think so, you're not able to vote. If you need to Excuse me. Excuse me. I'm sorry. Um, how do we vote again? Uh, if you log into your City of Boulder email, you should have a um you there should be a link for you to basically fill out a form where you just click on the two people you want to that you think are the like you recommend as leaders for this next year. Can we do that right now this second? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. All right. Let me see if I can do this. Okay. Thanks. Forgot to mention I'm a former D1 athlete. Volleyball. I was playing volleyball for you. I volleyball. Yeah. What position?

[120:03] Yeah, in the Big 10. I'm a a tiny person. So, are you seeing yourself pulling? Yeah, I was put up. It's kind of weird and bolded because everybody This is not um Oh, I'm type six. So, very different. Yeah, that's like I don't know. I ended up chair the same color. Yeah. Oh, right. Okay. So, how will we do? She she's gonna think about specific. I don't know what

[121:04] did you vote? I just opened it. Is there something that you want to know? Just Just wait a second. I'm sorry. Wait a second. For what? For you to vote. We're waiting for you. Maybe. You're waiting for me to do what? Vote. Okay. I just opened it. Yeah. Sorry. We're I was talking to Selena. Oh, I heard my name. That's why I was like, "What? What? What's happening?" You're good. Have six

[122:03] Were you able to get able? Okay. So, it's has anyone in this room not been able to vote who has the voting rights and privileges? Okay. I voted. Um, so this is still we have another step on put once we get the names and we see what it looks like. Then there's another it's supposed to be like four sample. Okay, we have six. We're waiting for one. Selena is voting for Bill. Selena is voting for Jason. Jason Oh, wasn't just up on the screen at that moment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's

[123:05] But I also have accidentally hit the leave button when I meant to hit the share button. So, like I don't need any money. Hey guys, did you get did you get my vote? Yeah. Okay. Would someone mind sending link though? I can't get in. The hardest thing just do we have

[124:01] Okay, so let's Yes. Oh, like I think we just get that look at that chart and singular top four, right? Paper climbers on boards. So, So I was going to 13year-old is like don't go to Trader Joe's before they got breakfast for

[125:13] just over you could eat when you watch and it would be enjoyable be like a It's four people on each of us. Okay. So, it's pretty easy to figure out what our Okay. I guess I didn't ask you. Yeah. You want me to share or Yeah. Yeah. You can share that and then I'll add those people to the um or I'll delete everyone else actually from the other if I can still. Okay. So

[126:02] there you are. Oh, she already hit it. Okay, so that's what it looks like. Can you take the time? Yeah, I'm sending it like my controller doesn't touch my but I guess we need to ask. So the the people who are selected as the top four are Solidad, Melen, Lizzy, and Bill. Um, does anyone in that group not accept

[127:03] the like potential nomination? I just said yes. Okay. And Bill had said yes. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So, I just sent out another link where you should be able to pick again basically the same thing. Um, the top two people and then we'll see what that ends up. Okay. Sorry, your feeding is like totally fine. I just Yeah. A child who was sick today and wants something from Trader Joe's. Do they close at 9 or 10? 9. You know what? I've been burned by that. Now I Chicago. They open a second email with a second form for you to vote. Yeah, double. I mean, you don't have to

[128:01] regress. Yeah, let me They're They're gonna vote right now, so let me Thank you so much. Well, they're doing it online, but maybe. Yes. Yes. Second form. Oh, there's another form. Yeah. For the last four. All right. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. My vote. Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you. Responses. You already have four responses. So awesome. One more. Thank you so much. Your sister. Yeah. And then you can um it'll take you exactly their website. This is Yeah, perfect. Thank you so much.

[129:01] Did you vote for Alan? Bill for Bill. I did the first round. The second round. You want to do the second? Yeah, Selena. Thank you so much. Nice to meet you. Thank you. Join this. Yeah. This is over. Yes. Yes. This last bit of casual shenanig selection question this election.

[130:00] Yeah. Um I couldn't tell if you were asking me, but I did vote. Okay. Thank you. Thanks. Oh, I think I'm not made up of I can't do Well, or you can share your whichever. I was just going to pop it up for everyone to see. Yeah, you for stay. You're allowing us to stay actually. Okay, so it looks like our two new co-chairs for the 2025 2026 overight panel are solar. Great. Thank you Lizzy. Congratulations. Congratulations.

[131:00] Thank Lizzy and Soladadon. I'll send some meeting for us to try to figure out when you want co-chairs meetings in this next six months. Okay. Perfect. Sounds good. Thank you all. Okay. Try to do you proud. We need a motion to adjourn. Please be Thank you, Milan. Give me a second. Can you second? Okay, great. Second. Oh, third. Thank you. Okay, thank you everyone. You made it everybody. Thanks. Thank you.