November 8, 2023 — Police Oversight Panel Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] Are we still waiting? Awesome? Well, welcome everyone to our November all panel monthly meeting. and looks like we don't have any members of the public yet just yet, but I'm sure we will have some people joining in all right. First, we'd like to start off with the land acknowledgment. We acknowledge the Arapahoe, Ute, and Cheyenne tribes, the traditional custodians of the land on which the police oversight panel and boulder police department operate and pay our respects to their elders, past and present. and welcome everyone. Thank you for being here. If we don't have any members of the public, but if anyone does join in feel free to use the Q&A. And you do being opposed to answering questions to day

[1:04] for Q&A I think. Usually Selina and I both try to handle that wonderful. Thank you both alright and for the public that may be watching this in the future. If you do have any complaints that you would like to submit about related to the Boulder police department. Our web address is Boulder, Colorado, Gov slash services, slash police dash oversight. And our panel email is police oversight panel at Boulder, Colorado. And each of those avenues will have ways that you can submit a complaint for for review by this whole process that we are about to jump into so just a reminder to the public and the panel that all of our meetings are posted to our web site. So you can always watch this again later. and I'll just read through our quick agenda here to day.

[2:08] So first we'll approve our minutes from the last meeting. We'll have a Co. Chair election for interim for interim Co. Chair. We'll have a conversation about unity values, collaboration recommitment. We'll have our committee updates. and training a discussion around training, followed by the IPM. Report. Then we will vote on our cases and go to public close out with public comment. Right? So with that, can we have a motion to approve the October minutes. Does anyone have any objections? I guess I should say. No, okay. And I saw your your hand. Still, the dog, yeah, hoping to approve. The meetings are some

[3:02] second, anyone second perfect? Thank you so much, Madeline. All right, so approval of meeting minutes. Alright nice and easy. Next we'll go to our interim co chair election? So this is related to you know, filling the role of a fellow co-chair. do we sherry? Are you leading this conversation or go to this. I I wasn't planning on it. But I can. That's okay. We can. We can just sort of you know. So as we know we prefer to have 2 Co chairs as opposed to just one. You know a Co chair system as opposed to just a chair. So that we have a little bit of balance there and support for each other as well.

[4:02] unfortunately, we we did loose, Daniel, and so we're looking for somebody to fill in that position. And I think the thinking around this would be to have somebody that would fill in until the next round. So when we have new panelists come in in February, then there would be an election for Co. Chairs. That would be the full next term at that point in time. So this would just be until February. Is the thinking and maybe I'll just open it up for discussion. If anybody has any thoughts or would like to throw their hat in the ring. Can you explain to people what the Co. Chair does? So folks know absolutely, Victor, I got you so the Co. Chair the main responsibility is to have to sort of be So we will host all of these meetings and sort of guide through the meetings.

[5:05] additionally, if there is any. There's also a regular meeting that happens between the cochairs and the interim, or the police monitor. Sorry not interim anymore. And you know, set the agenda helps to sort of foster communication. If there is any like questions that come in. Generally, Media would be contacting the co-chairs. But the idea isn't to speak for the panel, but in rather to sort of get a pulse and check in with the panel and sort of help foster the conversations and discussion and things like that. So yeah. the email you have to check the email. And you have to go to meetings that could be special meetings. Or

[6:04] do you have to go to other meetings as well? Mostly. Just the the only extra meeting that is officially on the calendar is the is, the inter is with them with the Ipm and so that would be. We have that twice monthly. So we have one before our monthly meeting to sort of set the agenda, and then we have one after the monthly meeting to sort of discuss any things that maybe have come up, or any action items that arose out of that monthly meeting. There may be a request for other meetings. There has been in the past. But I don't see much of that happening. Because, specifically like there was some meetings that were police chief requested, or things like that. And there's now a venue in the ordinance to have that discussion with the panelists that are related to that specific case. Right? So it shouldn't be a discussion with the chairs anymore. It should be with the panelists directly involved with that case.

[7:09] But Media would be probably the other big meeting that you would be pulled into. And generally, you know, it is nice to have the chairs present for any other like, if we have community engagement events or things like that. And email, we do get those emails. But I believe the ones that are coming to the police oversight email are now going to everyone. Or is that still just coming to the chairs, to the coat chairs that might just be coming to the co-chairs then. Okay, that's the impression that I was under. I don't know. I don't know.

[8:00] I think. There's also, if there aren't enough people who volunteered to do a case review. or if you need to find substitutions, I think that's another responsibility of the co-chairs. Yeah, I mean, typically, if there is a gap that needs to be filled, we'll kinda just jump in to help facilitate but any other questions about duties or responsibilities. Thanks. Who's excited to jump in and Co. Chair he I guess one thing I will say is, that Hadasa, your role as Co. Chair also ends in February. So

[9:02] we will be looking for, you know, 2 co-chairs in very short, short order. So that is something that we need. We do need some members of this group to to step up for. Yeah. So I think right now, probably one of the biggest responsibilities for somebody stepping in would just be to sort of absorb you know the duties, the way we keep things or communicate with panelists or with each other, so that way, when there is an election, then we can also keep that that information internal as well. Since my term does end in February. Okay, another question. does anybody have any nominations. Could we put somebody on a spot?

[10:10] I know. Victor. Yeah, I it's My term also ends in February, and I have an option to extend for one year, and I'm not sure where I'm where I land on that right now. But I also know the knowledge that we have in this room when we lose it, it's hard to replace. And so I would volunteer to do this until February. Just so just that you know everything sort of stays on course. and, more importantly, that gives other folks in this room time to decide and contemplate and look at their schedules and really think about is this something I can do to support? you know this work.

[11:00] That list of duties seems pretty small. But why did 3 people quit before in this position. Right? So that's the mystery for me. We've had people in this position resigned for a number of reasons, and so I would. It would be unfortunate if that trend, for whatever reason continued, and so hopefully, that will stop where the co-chairs will model. You know what we want for someone in this position, but also the commitment that it takes. You know, for this. So I'll just leave it at that. Yeah. trying to remember we did have. So the first term. I think they went shoot. Oh, no, we did have one person. So one person left the panel and they were a Co. Chair, and that was the early on, and then we had Arielle and Daniel that were Co. Chair aria cocha to the end of her term and then

[12:05] and then I jumped on and joined Daniel and with Daniel leaving the panel. Then that leaves that opening as well. So yeah, II would hope that it's it to me it doesn't seem you know. I think if your commitment is to the to the panel, then it shouldn't be that much extra work. Because it's you know we're we're here to do the work anyway, whether you're co chair or not. So but II also don't want to be laissez faire about. You know it. It is a little bit of an extra commitment. There is time. There is communication challenges right because we are expected to sort of answer questions sometimes when when it can be a little bit stressful or on point. But

[13:02] I've never personally felt that it was too too much, you know, cause we do have a lot of good support, and people that will help step in as needed. So Oh. any further thoughts, Victor. each or anyone else. or any minutes. Thank you. They're on these companies. I just wanna say that I think it's really important that I come from February would be nice to have an older quote, unquote, older panelist, and a newer one rather than 2 new ones, because you have had, as I have so much, and Daniel had so much knowledge that we've lost with him. And then

[14:06] How does that? You have so much knowledge to that. It really is important that it gets passed to whoever is the next Co chair and a new panelist. So yeah, so that I just wanna mention that now, so that we can all think about that cause. It is a lot of work that you've been doing for a while, and you you may not know it, but you have a lot of knowledge. We know that I know that I see it, and and just to sort of cut, you know, I, while my term officially would end in February. You guys always have my phone number. You can always call me. I'm always here for you. I very much believe in this panel, and we'll always do what I can to support it. So yeah, it's just You know the the time of my term has ended, and at this point, I don't work or live in boulder and I think that I should open up that space to somebody who does so. I'm here to here to help you till the end, and then and then some, if needed. But you know. I think we should leave that space for people that are directly in boulder and and have a little bit more of a pulse on the community itself. So.

[15:29] okay. okay, well, can we? I know that earlier, there was some one who had expressed interest. And okay. is that still, is that still, the case is your hat still in the ring. Henry Gates. they don't read.

[16:00] I nominate Victor for coaching. Okay? Any very much agree. If Victor is into it. I think it would be great. Yeah. Quickstep. What's he did? Well, this do you accept the nomination, Victor? Oh, I didn't see a vote we're not gonna vote with. Someone hasn't accept agreed to take the position. But what if someone disagrees and they're like, Hey, he's no good right? I thought. Chris of Hope. I second Victor. That's not gonna happen, Victor. I accept humbly. Thank you.

[17:00] Awesome. Okay. So we'll all vote to approve, just to make sure now that we know that he is on board. Eyes or hands for yes, please. Hello. Madeline is there? Thank you. I see you, Jason. So with that. Lizzie Chico melan. Wonderful! Thank you so much. Think that is a unanimous yes. welcome, Victor. Awesome, all right. Any other thoughts on co-chair. Thank you wonderful? Thanks. Everyone, all right. So next agenda item is a conversation about unity values, collaboration, recommitment. Victor, do you want this one? Was your topic submittal. Would you like to sort of do an intro for the conversation?

[18:05] Sure. You know, one of the main things that comes up in the Communications Committee is, we don't have enough time to know each other. We just spend some brief times on these boxes and these screens, but we don't know. You know your favorite food, your favorite color. Or we get to make some of these hard decisions. We're working with strangers versus with colleagues. Right? So I just wanna open up just a spaces to talk about. you know, if you also feel maybe like Daniel felt and you're ready to step out, you know, like. don't do that alone like we can. We can bring things up and speak about it. But also, you know, if you're in this till the end like I am, because people we have these experiences don't have a choice right? But I'm sitting here saying, I choose to do this, or I choose not to do this. So I just want to, you know. just reaffirm my commitment. you know, to like why I'm here

[19:03] and just give folks a chance just to speak, you know, on that, or if there's some confusion, or if this is some things that no one's had a chance to hear that people want to say is, is this where we talk set? I sent some suggestions just to the team members, and it is this where it said we would talk about it more at this meeting is is that now? Yeah, I think I think we can definitely include that in the conversation in terms of potentially having a get together just to address that like. we're not strangers in the room. Piece? Right? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, oh, okay. I don't really know where to start, but I could say. what I do know is from May above say it was 2019

[20:05] that Our first meeting of the task force took place. and up until now lots of things have happened. Lots of things have happened. Oh, good and bad. challenging and otherwise. And so it has, in my opinion, has been a real pull on morale. the morale of the overall group, and so in an effort to unify. And and let's say, Okay, we're here. We're team. This is what we're going to do. This is what we're about. Let's go back to the basics and maybe have something I don't know. I don't have any ideal suggestions something that will put us in a different

[21:02] rank rain or realm where we can just kinda kick back and get to know each other like you just say it and something that will unify us as a team. II just love the idea that we got a little name tags. But even if we had teams, something that sets up support to say we're special. This is special work is hard work, but we're here. so something that will pull us together as a team starting there. And then when we march out. We know that we're marching together. and we're in support of each other. But at the very least we do know each other a little bit more. So. Yeah, that's kind of where my head is. Right now. I'd like to hear what others. What do you all think?

[22:03] Yeah, go ahead, Melanie. I see your hand. I see Jason to do. You want to go first, Jason? I've already spoken. Okay, thank you. Yeah, I totally agree with you, Madeleine. II felt that as a new panelist. It's it's been It's been hard not to be able to have coffee together or chat together and and really feel a sense of of unity and team. I have with my fellow engagement committee panel panelists and and a couple of people here and there. But I would love to know more about Lizzie and Jason and Kristen. If you join us, you know, and and other people. We're not here tonight where we haven't had to the chance to. You know we're here on the screen together, that it would be nice to see the whole body and the whole person. So I would agree with you, Madeleine and also as a member of the

[23:04] communication and engagement committee with Victor Solidad and Madeleine, I would love to be part of organizing whatever activities you all see. would be good for us. So yeah, Madeleine's not thanks so much for bringing this awesome. Thank you. Milan. Awesome. Yeah, go ahead, Jason. You know II would like to say, I agree with with both Madeleine. I'm sorry. And, Marlene. the only question I have is, if we were all to get together, is that a meeting that we have to do something, and II just wanna know, because it sounds like this is supposed to be casual where we it's not a public thing. It's where we can let our hair down and and meet each other on an individual personal basis.

[24:01] Yeah. And I've I've had some conversations with Erin. From the city attorney's office as long as we are not, you know, discussing actual business. And you know, issues that we would be voting on we. We can get together socially. and we don't have to invite the press. Yes, yeah. And we did. Do one retreat. When was that early early last year? Right cause. It was before it was before Ariel had left. It was either early last year or the year before and we did just a retreat for panelists just to sort of everyone came together. We we sort of just talked and had different like team building activities and things like that. There's been discussion before about like, you know, maybe having dinner at somebody's house, and everybody just kind of getting together and eating and talking and sharing and laughing which would be great, or you know any any of those things. I think my main question would be whether or not we want to

[25:11] jump on something now, or if we want to wait until the new panelists come on. I think both would be great. But I realize we're jump coming into the holidays, and that might be tricky. So you know just something to consider in terms of what we what we want. I see sterling has his hand up. Go ahead, Sterling. So this kind of goes along with everybody else, is saying, is there any plan on going back to in person meetings anytime soon think that would kind of help in terms of getting people on the same page and just camaraderie. Yeah, we there. I'm anticipating that meetings in 2,020, for either

[26:01] we have a hybrid option, or like every other meeting, is virtual versus in person or something like that. But yeah, it's anticipated that in this next calendar year we're going to start going. Having in person options. Yeah. Chico, go ahead. Yeah. Just to concur with thought. I Daso said we had. I think it's the other year I'm beginning to lose count. But it was more about the team building activities and looking at the timeframe out, say, if we had to do anything, it has to be with a new group that's coming in February centered around training and team building was that II think it's it's a tough ask trying to ask to do stuff. Now then, again, we do it in February. One thing that is is later on. The agenda with some scheduling things, is that we need to get our quarter for meeting with the chief.

[27:08] and my thoughts were that maybe cause that would be an in person event. So my thoughts were maybe afterwards, if anyone wants to go out and catch a drink that that would be a quick, easy option for people to see each other, you know, outside of these formal panel meetings. I love that idea, Sherry. Thank you. I'm thinking that one I'd like to include those people that have already done the work they'll be leaving. But they could maybe be honored guests just so that they get acknowledged for having been here, and for having, you know, gone through it as well.

[28:09] and even to invite some of the other folks from. you know, from when it started as special guests definitely would like there to be team building exercises. There's some fun exercises. You can do that serve purposes of unifying. And if we had that. and then I guess the big question in my head is. is there a budget? And how do we get that? I established? You know what we able to do based on budget if one exists. and I think, but the budget from my understanding opens up more in 2,024, and that in 2,023 it is, I believe the words grossly overspent.

[29:03] Worth how I've heard it. So that's January first is a whole New Year is well, I think that would go just perfectly with what it what chico just spoke, saying, you know the let's kick it out with the New Year. Then we have funds. and we can have Fu, NDS, as well as if you in. Yeah. Yeah. So you know, timing is everything. So if if that yeah, that could serve as as one of the bases. for you know where we go. That would be great. But yeah, this is how my head is going. yeah, that's I mean, it sounds like we all have an interest in seeing each other outside of, out of outside of the panel, in a more social context and being able to do some of that team building.

[30:09] so that's that's something that definitely can get some effort and energy put towards as we keep moving forward. Awesome anything else before we go to committee updates? I think I just wanted to sort of address Victor's question and concern and and say, you know, if there are obviously, if there, if there is anyone that has any discomfort or anything like that, and maybe doesn't feel comfortable talking in this public space. I am always available for you to to talk to, and I'm I'm sure Victor feels the same.

[31:04] Don't want to speak for him, but II feel like he probably would be willing to help to sort of and talk off the ledge is may may be, too extreme. But you know, to to sort of help talk you through. Maybe some questions or confusions or you know, there is any any discomfort or anything like that. We we definitely want to be here to support anybody, that is, maybe, you know, struggling with the challenges that are being on the panel cause we do wanna acknowledge that they are. It is. It is a thing you know. Morale is affected by all the different things that have been happening. So please do, please do feel comfortable. Come reaching out to me whenever, however, we're here, we're here to discuss with you and to help maybe talk through some of those things so. and I certainly would add my my name to those names as a person you can come to if you have questions or concerns or ideas, you'd like to bounce off.

[32:09] That's super. I don't. I don't want to leave this dangling, so if I think what I just heard us decide is that we're going to try to do something as a team building exercise of to get to know each other. to work, to solidify our group even more. and that we're going to do that in 2024 how we do it is to be determined. But we would be looking at doing that. I would volunteer to spearhead that if Milan will work with me. you know how much I love to work with you, Madeleine. So I've been honored and

[33:02] I'm also remembering that February is like history month. And, Madeleine, you're gonna be super busy. So just get ahead of this. Yes, you're right. You're right. So I'm really thinking between after mlk, but before Black history month it's what where my head is, and you're absolutely right. Thank you. Thank you. I've been around the block with you a few times. Yeah. Well, we'll make it happen we'll make it happen, and you know II instantly go to the seventies is my source of wanting to entertain now with even born in, so it'll be good. Yeah. And I think so, Dad Victor, you're also part of the committee. So would love to have you

[34:04] as well. Can I see your hands a little. Yeah. So I think to to Victor's point. I would really like to ask that we we we make like a very intentional effort in improving communication. I think part of the challenges that I have felt personally is that we show up to these meetings, and and things are happening, and and you know, and and we haven't heard anything before. So I think it's important for all of us to be on the same page. I also think that it will be great to clarify what kind of conversation or communication we can have without walking. Crossing the line to you know what will get us in trouble. It would be great to define what is our big panel business and what are the things that we cannot definitely cannot talk about in a email exchange.

[35:12] But I have feel I have felt super isolated because of that. And also I think you know, kind of being allowed to ask questions and allow to question what we're doing and how we're doing things. And and I think that this is a great opportunity to to kind of think about that. it is hard to build to kind of team build if we don't build trust first. and where, where there is no communication, there's hardly trust. So. I think for me is very important that we we really improve our communications and sherry. I will ask you, sorry to be on the spot, but to really explore. Why is it that we're allowed to say? What? What are the things that we're not allowed to discuss.

[36:04] What are the things that we should be discussing and and and I mean. I think things have happened that are not jokes and the least situation of beginning Daniel's quitting resignation to the to the panel. And I think. kind of ignoring those facts. It's it's for me it's hard to kind of swallow that we. We cannot acknowledge that things happen. We kind of acknowledge that we were impacted by it. and we kind of acknowledge that we we you know, the I don't know, at least it's just myself, but at the need to talk about it, or debrief, or or see or check in with each other like, you know, why is this happening? And why are we here? As a new panel member? I still feel super new because we don't have that base of or kind of foundation.

[37:02] And my fear is that if the 2 of you leave in February. Whoever is coming in except for Chico, I think. And who's have been here for a while? It's gonna be new. And they have to Co. Chair, and there's no like overlap. And and I think that that for me, for me is concerning But mostly I think we really really really need to improve our our communications. So we can start building on before we meet. I mean. is November already. Well, and we're thinking February. So it's 2 more months things happen, and we still have to meet. We still have to review cases and things keep happening. so so I think that that will be my ask. For for for the 2, the 2 co-chairs and for you, Sherry, it's like, really, really work on communications.

[38:06] Yeah, II don't disagree with anything that you've just mentioned. Solidad. I can get you some information from Erin, since she would be the, you know, the expert on what we can and cannot say. But I mean, one thing to say is. as long as it is not, you know, confidential information, specific case related information. You know this meeting is a chance to, you know. Bring up concerns that you have. I think that the panel is at a point right now, the whole civilian oversight system is at a point of renewal because of the ordinance. You know, I'm here. So it's not an interim person anymore. There's a lot of new members on the panel. There's even, you know, some new people at the professional standards units who are going to be coming on. So I think it is a chance for the panel members really to take some ownership, and.

[39:06] you know, work to improve communications themselves, and really see, you know, determine what direction you know. You want the panel to take. What are the priorities, and II don't think people should be afraid to ask questions. There's especially with new people, I mean, I'm not sure I'm gonna be able to answer all of the questions that you have. But you know this is something that we're all getting we're in. We're in a position right now to like build it together. So I welcome questions, either in this meeting or, you know, offline and definitely welcome feedback. So I think this is this is a really great opportunity. It's probably going to have some rocky points as as we figure it out. But I think, you know, like maybe 6 months from now, we could be in a really really strong place.

[40:03] Thank you. Sharia, II definitely agree. I mean, I think, for for me as a Co. Chair. My! My goal is never to dictate how things happen, but rather to sort of facilitate how we, as a group, would like to see things happen right. And so if there is some communication that is lacking, right? So we have the agendas that are posted afterwards. We have meeting invites selena is now doing an awesome job of reminding us of all of our meetings and things like that which I think has significantly helped. But you know we I know that I definitely struggle with like coming up with things that I haven't seen before. Right? And so if there is something that is missing, and it's just about like, Hey, I didn't know about whatever. Then we can sort of focus and brainstorm on how we can better communicate that

[41:01] But definitely, my, my ask would be just for you guys as panelists to just let us know when something isn't clear or needs a little bit more communication, so that we can sort of address that cause. Otherwise we're kind of just, you know. Agenda goes out. Meeting invites, get sent out things like that. It's sort of on autopilot. But just to sort of say, Hey, this is, you know, question I have, or whatever I know Madeleine will always call and be like, Hey, when's my next meeting? And I'm like, let me help you figure it out. So yeah, just, you know, feel free to feel free to ask questions. It's what we're here for, and in terms of what we can and cannot say. Like, if we're talking emails, we are able to discuss setting up meetings right? So we can say we would like to meet at this point in time to discuss something. We can't discuss those things in the meeting, right? So if we wanna take on a new item or a new project, or things like that that should be discussed in a meeting that would be public, accessible. But we can decide when we want to set the meeting via email.

[42:12] does that make sense? Okay, okay, wonderful. Yeah. And then we'll get some more clarification with from Aaron on that. Sorry Milan. I see you go ahead. Oh, II just wanted to tie in what? So my dad talked about with what Madeleine and I talked about. And I just want to say regarding our February retreat. this is by no means a closed meeting, be, you know, and and I would love to know what you all would like to see in such a retreat. So if you wanna send an email to me or to Madeleine, me, or to the committee? Wh. However, you see it, it would be nice to really have all of you involved in in deciding what we're gonna be doing and what you need, what your needs are for for that retreat. So just wanted to say that. And

[43:12] yeah, I would love to have like a mini talk about what we can and cannot email, cause I've been chastised a couple of times for thought settings. Thanks to everybody, you can't do this so I would love to. I would love to to know a little bit more about that, and and really know what the boundaries are for me, and and so I can decide what what I can do and cannot do so. Appreciate that. And I appreciate you also had us offering to be there for us, and I also have to say that sometimes, not knowing means that I don't know which questions I need to ask. So that has been a little bit of my kind of barely able to swim through sometimes. Things. But I appreciate your your presence. Certainly. Thank you.

[44:07] Hmm. absolutely thank and thank you. For for clarifying that. Yeah, for sure we definitely wanted to be an all-inclusive. It's our. It's gonna be our retreat with the objective being to go across the board and making things better. And so we can only do that if we engage every one. So thank you for clarifying that. Yeah, I see you, Victor, go ahead. I was just waiting for the committee reports appropriate.

[45:00] Are we ready to move on to that? I think so. Nobody else has any other lingering thoughts or questions? Okay, I think we can move on to committee updates. You want to start. sure. So the communications and engagement community, we did have a meeting and we talked about the need to select a new chair for that committee. So I guess that's the first order of of business. We also talked about the things that Madeleine described, and wanting to build more team camaraderie and find ways to do that as a priority for the Communications Committee and Milan was a person who said some interest, and so I just want to open it up to

[46:02] Anyone else who's interested in, you know, being part of this committee, or who wants to be the co-chair? Pardon me, line, if you just want to speak on your thoughts. Yeah, I think that. you know they, it seems like some of our members are gonna be busy next year. And so I'm kind of did default. you know, person for being chair, and II would greatly appreciate if anyone wanted to be co-chairs with me, because I think it's better to work in in teams for this type of work as we organize. So I'm happy to be the chair, but would love to be to have a Co chair. and yeah. no, it's it's it's a great committee we get to engage with the for the newer member we get to

[47:07] engage with the community. But also, now we're gonna engage with each other, which is really nice. And we have a lot of work to do. So especially regarding the community. There's still. So a lot of community members who don't know we exist. And so that's gonna be the real push to do for this year is is really reaching out to community members, we who don't know we're here And so if you're interested in that, I think it's going to be very rich and interesting, would love to see you. And if you want to be gutier. thank you. Thanks, Victor and Milan. If I'm correct me if I'm wrong. But are you guys also heading the website? Discussion in terms of like the panel part of the website and what we would maybe want to see on there.

[48:01] I think I think so, although I think that what we want to see and Victor, correct me if I'm wrong. But thing that what we want to see would have to be submitted to the entire panel for both. Right? yeah, yeah, I think ideally, yeah. yeah, would say, the co-chair processes worked well, for, like all you know, the committees and just having different ideas. But also with that website work and the branding things. The committee is gonna have a lot more things to do than they've done in the past. And so we would really benefit from. you know, having a Co. Chair, knowing that there's gonna be more things coming up. since we've been on break. And had, you know, all these other things happening so so. and we do still have some. We will have some admin support for that for that piece as well. Is that correct sherry

[49:02] for the website? Yeah, there are the the expectation is that there's going to be some like cleaning up. That's happening right now, someone is working on just trying to make the websites more consistent and clean and and updated without doing that much content modification. But then, being able to, I'm trying to get the like adding some heavier things into the It work plan for 2024 But when it comes to to content that those that's a pretty easy lift is my understanding. when the when the panel decides with what they what they want to have on the website. But things like trying to get a dashboard. And you know more information going out to the public. That's a

[50:00] that I need to get it on the work plan with the It department. Okay? Awesome. Thank you. Alright. Chico. Do you want to talk about legacy? Yes. So for le, for legacy. We decided that we were gonna meet after the new audience audiences came into being. So the next meeting is scheduled for November thirtieth. I think there's Jason, Lizzie, and myself involved in that committee. So with with legacy. Just high level is our our role is to conduct analysis and review past events, and with a view of making policy recommendations and looking at trends. So we look at sources of data. The B. Pd, the city and the community as well. Those will be our sources of data, and we'll try to come up with some reports

[51:02] with a view of policy recommendations. So we? We looking forward to a meeting on the thirtieth of November. and anybody else who wants to attend, they are more than welcome to do so. Awesome. Thank you, Chico. Alright and I'll talk about governance per se. And so currently, governance is just me. We can use a lot of help. There will be so governance would be basically help like writing the bylaws. So our internal laws right? Not necessarily ordinance. But we write our own panel laws. So it's kind of the sort of like the working group was for the ordinance. So we get together. We say, Okay, these are the things that we, as a panel would like to update or need to address and so we work out the language, and then we bring it to the panel for voting for final approval on the bylaws. And so that's that's what we do there. The next meeting. Sorry I just had it pulled up is next

[52:13] Wednesday, the fifteenth since it's just me we can. If there's somebody that has an interest in that time and date does not work. Please just let me know, and we can. We can adjust it and move it to wherever I'm flexible. So if you do have any interest, please please please join on cause we'll need. We'll need some help in in in revising the bylaws. especially with the new ordinance. So yeah, look forward to seeing you. Hadasa. Yes, just so. You know. Like, if like, that's something where we can also do you know, some some staff support? Not next week because of Nicole. But you know, especially for the the parts of the the bylaws that basically just need to figure out which part of the new ordinance. Now it references and maybe highlighting like, does this need to change?

[53:13] So if if that, that's definitely something that we can talk about how to relieve that lift off of, you know, volunteer members. Okay? Awesome. Obviously. Not any bylaws that have, you know, decisions to be made out of like that that the panel needs to work on themselves. But just more of that admin type of attention to detail. We can work on awesome, awesome. That would be great. Okay, yeah. So maybe tentatively, will be moving this next governance meeting. to a different time. But we can. We can discuss. We'll send that out via email and see if there's any interest in that awesome. Thank you, Sherry. I'll try to join you. II just there's so much to be done and

[54:03] harvest harvest. This plentiful labor is a few but, Count, let's talk about it. Okay, yeah, definitely. Yeah. I'll I'll send you the time and date, and if we want to keep that meeting just just for for panel, before we bring on admin help, we can do that as well, so thank you so much, Madeleine. Absolutely. I just feel so. You can't do it by yourself. I appreciate you absolutely alright. Any other committee comments, questions, thoughts. Okay, I think, we are halfway through our meeting time, so we'll take a good 5 min break I don't believe in counting the minute that we're in, so we'll start it at 33, and we will go to 38. So you have a full 5 min, so we will see you back at 38. Thank you. Everyone.

[55:20] Send welcome back everyone. Hmm! Anyone else. Another minute and then we'll jump into trainings with sherry. Yes. cool. Yeah. I think I've seen everybody come on already. even if they turn it off. But so I think you can jump in sherry when you're ready.

[56:11] Yeah. Well. the first thing that I wanted to talk about is just the most You know, people who watch the the ordinance or paid attention to that. You know there is a ride along requirement that is going to happen, and the boulder police department is is ready to, you know, start trying to schedule those with you. I don't know if anyone saw, or who who all read the email that I sent out earlier this week about ride alongs. But please contact Bethany. My thoughts are just, you know. trying to get them scheduled sooner before it's it's it's real. Winter is probably better for for everyone. and you know you have the right along option, or you have the 2 h. Walk along option and bethany was very accommodating. To schedule my my ride alongs that I conducted earlier this month, so I pleasing I do encourage people to get those. At least start the scheduling process sooner rather than later.

[57:17] and if anyone wants to reach out to me, if you do schedule right along for some things to maybe look out for or you know, to try to observe. I can. I can give you some ideas of things that I found to be helpful. I see Chico's hand is up. Yeah. How how long are these ride along? Supposed to last? How long the ride along is a 4 h, and the walk along would be a 2 h. Oh, okay, good to know. And you know, if you start at the beginning the times 6 am. Or 2 pm, and then

[58:01] it's in the email. I think maybe 9 Pm. Are the times that they have their their roll call where it's interesting to hear how their their their teams come together to discuss how they're gonna handle the next shift. And at least when I was there they also went over. Some of the challenge that challenges that they had earlier that week, and things to, you know, keep an eye on. So I thought that was a really interesting, interesting part. To see like what support the officers get in the instructions that they get at the beginning of their tour. But I was also told that if that doesn't work with your schedule they will find a way to be able to. Have you start or you're right along mid shift. But I found the roll call part really interesting. Does anyone have any other questions about ride-alongs? Yeah, Lizzy. did we get? I know there was some back and forth about like doing it in twos, or, if we should do it, solo, not necessarily for like safety reasons, but just might be nice to have a buddy, since it's a long, long session. Is that something we can do for the ride along, or do we need to stick to one because of the car space restrictions.

[59:16] I I will let that be up to the Boulder police department. whether because the concern is that they're the back of the car is the caged aspect of the of the cars. So I don't know if if people say I'm fine. I'd rather do this with somebody else. But I'll ride in the backseat if we'll if Pd. Will be okay with that, or if they would just say that that's not their policy. So they have to make that decision. Okay, I think in the past it has been that you could only have one person for a ride along, which is why the walk along was a great option. Because you can't have multiple people join join in that as well. Am I

[60:01] remembering correctly? Sterling, do? Yeah. yeah, that's correct. You you don't really want to be in the back of the the police cars based on the stuff that goes on back there have a but definitely, you can do a a walk along with more than one person. Be very simple. awesome. Thank you. Thanks, darling. I wanted to just make sure that everyone knows. Also, because I know there had been a little bit of confusion. with the with the ordinance of whether all of the training requirements would immediately apply to current panel members. And Nuria has basically said that she is extending the the timeframe for current panel members, and so

[61:00] there, because there was never any any intention that this passage of the ordinance would cause any sort of additional pause to the panel conducting its work. So I just wanted to give people assurances that you know, people will have to meet some of these training requirements, but that it can have an extension until we start onboarding new people and then current panel members can go and lock stack to pick up any training that they might need with the the new panel members. so I think some of you probably have noticed that Farah is joined us in in this meeting, and we all welcome her back. We're glad that she was able to take time off to attend to very important life circumstances, but we're also very happy to see her right now. And and she she is going to be involved in some of the the next steps that happened to happen because of the the passage of the ordinance. So we're anticipating that she's going to be helping us figure out like the training schedule and what? And some of those other issues that come with training and then onboarding of new members.

[62:22] And so I don't know if Farrah you wanted to say anything right now, or just remain observer. Sure. No. I do. Thank you. Sherry cause II think it's important. that everybody know that we're more likely than not gonna be working on the onboarding process training and the selection process all simultaneously. And but III wanna kind of start with the same formula. I started when I came on board in February. In that I really want to hear about your experiences with onboarding right? And II particularly, actually wanna start with Lizzie and Ab, because you are newest members and then kind of work my way backwards. Because I need what you experience to really understand what you experience, so I can help improve it. For the next round of members are coming. And it's recent for you guys a reason for a lot of you, actually, so I really wanna start there

[63:28] and then, as it relates to training. Ii feel like this is probably more likely for Victor Hadasa and Chico. But you guys have already been through some pretty significant training already. And so what I wanna glean from you and your experience in that training is like what you liked and what you didn't like. I've heard different views about like the the simulations that you guys have gone through. Of whether or not that was helpful. So I really wanna get those insights, and particularly the trainings that you went through, that that you could easily collect, connect the dots in terms of assisting you and understanding how to do case review cause. That's really where I wanna make that connection clear for panel members, and so II will probably go back as Selina to help

[64:19] cause. I don't know if you guys remember, like, probably in February, March I met with 2 of you at a time, so we'll probably do that again. So I can kind of get that background information and sense to figure out how we develop better onboarding cause. That is so. Key cause that sets the stage for the panel members like, if you need to have a strong onboarding process, and then that it also gives you confidence in the work that you're about to embark upon to. So I so there's, you know, there's a method to that madness. And so we, I think we're all in agreement that needs to be strengthened. So so I'm gonna you know, start there. But II really wanna get your insights before we start kind of peeling the onion on how to improve that system, and then the goal is

[65:05] to create a plan and make it so. It's like a well oiled machine. So we're not recreating the wheel every time we have new members right like, it's pretty much ingrained in the foundation. And it's also consistent with the theme that you guys have been talking about to night in terms of. you know, resetting kind of the, you know, resetting the panel in the direction where it's going and kind of rebuilding it a little bit. So that's really kind of what I'm gonna be focusing on, probably for the next month month and a half or so, so that we have something in place at least a plan in place. For when the new members come on first for the next year. Does that sound cause? I'm sure you guys have thoughts. and and I'm gonna ask you to be as candid as possible. Because we know there's some bumps, and we need to fix them. So so yeah, so those those conversations will be hopefully happening soon. And if it's easier for me to join your

[66:08] committee meetings to have these conversations to save time and space, I'm happy to do that, too. you know, feel free to let me know if you have a preference on that But that's that's that's yeah. That's where we're at. And so I'll need to work through some of the selection process stuff. So I wanna read through because I believe you guys have gone through 2 selection processes since the beginning of the panel. And so I'm gonna read through all of that to see, you know. See what's been done in the past, and then how we can work through it and create the policies and the plan for it. Going forward. So that was it. But thank you?

[67:01] All right. let's think we're on Ipm report if we're done with training. Yeah, I'm going to just give me a moment to share my screen sherry while you, while you're doing that, could I ask? Just a quick question, probably is a dumb one. But I'll risk it, anyway. Is there a timeline. What is the timeline to complete the ride alongs or the walk-alongs? And just give me a moment. dog. The the the timeline to keep that that falls into the

[68:00] the sort of training where the current panel members are have an extension so it can there. There is no hard deadline right now. I just as I get cold really easily, so I would prefer to do a ride along or walk along in November rather than in February. So that's that's just me, though. I'm I get cold very easily. It's an annual requirement. And but Maria's also said that she's extending the the require or giving an extension to current panel members, so that we don't have a situation where the work has to stop because of training. And honestly, the like Boulder police department also is they're having a. They're getting a recruit class pretty soon, so their times are going to be they were. They were already talking about.

[69:06] you know, end of November, December of January. So Bpd you know they're they're not. They're willing to work with people, but it's not as if they don't have other things that they're dealing with regarding their reap request and the resources that that takes. Okay. there, there, there, there's tip technically, there's no hard cut off right now. I don't see one. I mean farah. You're the person who, you know, wrote or worked on this ordinance to anticipate whether people would need to have it done so. I I think that it Ne it's I think we what we put in there was calendar year. So okay. I mean, II don't. You know. I don't think that there's necessarily urgency to get it done. But I do agree with Sheri's perspective is II am very pro right along. I've done many and I've loved it every single time. So I'm a little biased in this view, but I do agree with Sheri's perspective, and that if you have the ability to do it sooner than later, just to do it sooner than later. But, like.

[70:23] you know, do you have to get it done in 90 days? No, I mean, you technically have a year to do it. But I but I I just think that the insights that you get from a ride along is so directly related to case review, because so many complaints that policemen kind of come from patrol that it just helps you, helps get give you better insight. So if you have the ability sooner than later to do the 4 or the 2 h. I think it's better to just to just do it. Yeah, it's been such a long time since I've done it.

[71:01] I have done it. Hmm! Regularly at some point in my life. Professional life. But no, if that's fine, I just wanted to. I cannot be able to gauge. I'll throw it out there again. If you give me enough notice. I'm happy to, you know. Take Tom out of my day and pretty uniform on and go take people out on. Ride along just to help the get the process moving along. Okay, yeah, that's super awesome. I do think, as part of building the training system. And this is something that I you know. Selena, to help is that if we're getting closer to the year and someone hasn't done it that way. Ping you and say, Hey, you gotta get your ride along done. You know what I mean. This is a a friendly reminder. But essentially you have a year to get it done. But I think particularly with flexibility in the offer from Sterling. I would definitely take him up on that.

[72:01] Thank you. Quick question. Can we do both like, I imagine that a right along is very different from walk along in terms of what what is being done. And so I'm just wondering I would be curious to do both. Actually. I think you'd have to ask a as Bethany. Yeah, I don't think there's a limit. It would just be about like their, you know, their capability to to fit us in. II was looking at the ride along. General order earlier today. And the so if I'm remembering correctly, people are supposed to be limited to one a year. But I there also was a section that said, that basically allowed exceptions, and I would assume panel members probably would fall under some exceptions. But I would I would I would. I would post that to Bethany.

[73:02] Okay, thank you. Clarify, since it is calendar year. If someone did one this year they would need to do another one again next year. Correct. That's a good point. Thanks. Do we take that as a point of clarification cause? I don't know if I necessarily agree with that interpretation. But let's let's let's take that and ask Aaron because when I think of calendar year, I think of from the day it went into effect to the next. So I think of October 1920 23, to October 2024, but I definitely think we should get legal determination on that cause. I think that's an important important point to know. So we don't set ourselves up for failure on that. Yeah, awesome. Thank you, sir. cause that would apply to all trainings. Then annual. Okay.

[74:06] okay. So oh, is someone asking a question? so can people see my screen. And it's the presentation. Okay, this is going to be really quick. This was a very odd month for multiple reasons, and one of the main reasons being that the chief was out of out of out of town for almost the entire month of October. So her being gone prevented a lot of things from moving forward. But I think, given how long this meeting is, this works out? Actually, very well. So in the month of October there were 0 case files re

[75:02] completed. We still have one case that the panel did. Review of. That's now pending boulder police department disposition. And there are 2 cases that are awaiting panel review. one of those I'm expecting to happen pretty quickly. or to have the file back from Boulder police department pretty quickly. So I classified in the month of October 3, 3 cases of misconduct, 0, serious misconduct and 0 community inquiries. Observed 0 interviews and 0 investigations were deemed thorough and complete. And like, I said, 0 investigations that the Boulder Police Department were closed, and as of the end of October.

[76:01] The docket was 16 cases. and that is the end of the like case. Report for the Monitor. But I do want to say that November is already on on track to look much more like what you're used to seeing. I would like to continue the conversation about the website and accessibility. So we are working on updating the the monitor and the oversight websites. And if people have thoughts or ideas and please like, let us know what you would like to see. Changes what you think is working what you definitely don't think is working about the the panel part of the website. It sounds like community engagement is going to be working on that so we can make sure that we can collect feedback and share that in community engagement meetings.

[77:17] but the as I said some, some of this is out of sequence, because it was brought up earlier. but one thing that people that I'm hoping to change for this next December's meeting is that the Ipm report? We're we've been working to put that in a fully accessible version, so that people who need screen readers to get information that they will be able to fully access the independent police monitors report. And it's anticipated that when it's in that format it will be published in advance of the meeting and

[78:05] so the individual cases that that the Independent Police Monitor has been reading the summaries and everything aloud will instead be available for all of you to view in advance, and for members of the public to be able to view in advance, and my thoughts are that we don't read it aloud. But instead, if people have you know questions about it that they can ask, but otherwise, being able to save some of that time of both panel members and members of the public who are watching so that we can get on to more substantive work, certainly leaving space if people do have questions, but not having the the read a long time that I assume it's been frustrating for people. But obviously, if if people have, you know any objections to that idea or any concerns, you can voice those now, or you can contact me by

[79:05] email to share those concerns. If you have them. Yeah, I'm in. Sorry. It's I feel like I'm talking a lot tonight. But I have a question regarding the website, and it's not so much about accessibility. But there's a letter from October 20, s 2021 with the that comes from about the Naacp, and that that has been a little bit of a source of disagreement and tension with the Naacp that I would personally would like to put to the panel to remove it. I don't think it's necessary to have it anymore. I think we need to mend our relationship with community, and with organizations such as this one, especially after the year that we just went through. And so when or where would it be appropriate for us to bring that up, or is this the place for that?

[80:09] I think that that is a great question. I would say that the that's an issue that maybe people should be able to think about and come back to either to the community engagement meeting next month or to the all panel meeting. Yeah, I think it would be good for us to discuss this and and see what what we think is a panel, because I think that's a panel decision to have. But I would love to bring that up next. Is there anything that I need to do if I want to do that, or can I just submit it to you as an agenda item? For sure. I mean one thing that I've that I did this month, and II don't know if it's going to work, but at least trying is to have in advance of the co-chairs meeting basically a document and sharepoint where people can, you know, put things that they would like to be considered for the agenda?

[81:13] You know, on that document. Certainly you can reach out in other ways. But that's you know, I just figured having that open document for anyone to to add something. Would be a way that we can do it. Okay? Well, thank you. Solidarity. yeah, II remember. I think, Milan, did you bring that this up at the beginning, when we were just selected? I I would think that we we can. It will make sense to make the request that the panel review that letter that Milan is referring to, so we are prepared to vote on it next meeting, and so we get it done. I don't know how how, that if we have to move, to do something or or but II do think that there's something that have been lingering there, and and it will be great for us if if that's okay with everyone to say

[82:09] that we can vote on it next next meeting. So everyone can review. sit, letter and have an opinion by then. I think that makes a lot of sense. We'll make sure that it's on the agenda for next meeting. I also just there. There is a there was a mou with Naropa for members of the panel to be able to receive counseling for any type of secondary trauma that they experience because of their work on this panel. And

[83:02] I'm II expect that people are not going to have an objection to having that renewed. But I did feel like I wanted to, you know, put it before the panel before reaching out to Naropa, to renew that or to to start the process of of renewing that agreement. So basically, question. 5, sorry I didn't have a question. Do we? Would it be? Have we explored other sources? Or would it be tied specifically just to Naropa. I have this was just brought to my attention that there had been this this mo that looks like it's expired so as far as I know. There, II don't know what brought it initially to be Nuropa. That was the provider that was worked with.

[84:01] II would say that is within the the community service that Naropa has. They do have a community service that provide consuming a very low cost or free. I think so. My guess is that we are kind of part of that. yeah, that's cool. yeah, my. the, it would be a it's a it is a benefit that's provided to panel members. On behalf of the city. or it was and you know, if I look if we? If we can renew it, it would be again. Milan. Yeah, that's one of the things that I don't know how to do that I don't know how to get that service. I'm not really sure. I probably missed it at some point. But II haven't looked into it. But also I'm just wondering if it's Naropa is, does that mean that it's done with students? Or is it actual, true professionals? I mean.

[85:09] students will be through professionals, but they're not, you know. You know what I'm trying to say, and that considering what we're looking at and what what we are going through, I would, I would hope that it's Professionals and not students that were not part of a training of some sort of this. Ii believe it is. I mean you can. It's in. I put the I put the mo in the sharepoint folder. so all of you can can look at. Maybe this is another thing that we need to wait for. to put on the agenda again for next month. Yes, and it is grad. Students in the process. It's not, you know, license. Lcs, W's and it's like specific for the session. So you don't have to do an assessment or anything like that. You could just go there and talk about

[86:05] like very specific things related to, you know, case reviews or body cam footage that you have to watch, or things around that? So yeah, I would suggest that we get a chance to review the document and then come back to it. Okay? Because it is an important resource. We can talk about it with each other, but also it's good to have some other outlet as well. Okay, I'll add that to the December agenda also, and I'll make sure that it's in the December folder, too, so people can easily access it. there were of. and

[87:00] I was going to propose. There are a couple of things about scheduling. II feel like I want to compress those conversations, though, and do more of that just offline because of where we are timing wise, and I want to respect people's time. But one thing I or a few, a few scheduling things that I would like us to see if we can get a resolution to in today's meeting would be that there is a the quarter for meeting with the chief. I talked with Bethany the the admin at Bbd. And she said that December Wednesday, December sixth, and November 20 ninth. Look like they would work for meetings with the chief. It would be sometime in the, you know, early evening, probably. and I would. I was hoping that we could figure out which, whether whether the either of those days works, and if so, which one might work better for people.

[88:18] Can you clarify the dates again. Sure, they're Wednesdays. So November 20 ninth. So that's like the week after Thanksgiving, and then December sixth the following week. Oh. can we can. We vote on that? Or I mean, I can say I I'm available for both. But I would prefer the sixth, and so if we could do a show of hands of the 20 ninth or the sixth. That might be the easiest. Okay. And Chico has his hand up. Also, I was just gonna say, in the past, we've had the post sent out. and each that helps people reflect on looking at our schedules.

[89:03] because just now, to make a decision like that? I don't know. Okay, well, we can do that by poll. Then if people would rather Hey, Sherry, did you mention a time? Or was that still to be determined is this daytime or evening? Oh, this would be like shortly after, like after business hours. When I when I spoke with Bethany. She said that at least that in the in the past that they like provided dinner for panel members got it. Okay, thanks. You're welcome. Okay, and Selena says she can schedule a doodle poll. So expect that to come out.

[90:03] Come out soon. and just some Updates next week I'm going to be at Nicole along with Solidad and Milan. So we are going to be surrounded by civilian oversight professionals and be able to. you know, learn, and here are some of their trials and tribulations, and I've gone in the past, and I've always come back feeling so much more invigorated and motivated, and it really helps you feel like less alone. In the work that that we do. So. If people are trying to contact me during the day next week. I will probably be slower in my response than I normally am. So just let you know that. But I will be obviously at night checking, checking emails, and, you know, doing some doing some work.

[91:03] I let's see. One thing I really would like people to like take to heart is, you know, I'm new in this position, and and II want to work with you to, you know. Move this forward and improve civilian oversight in boulder, but I am very receptive to feedback. So if there is something that doesn't seem like it's working, or something that you think you'd like me to try differently. I am. I'm very II want to hear that sort of feedback. we're all working together on this, and you know II know that everything I do isn't going to hit the nail on the head. So I really would. If you have ideas or thoughts on ways that I can do things better, or something that did seem to work. Well, please let me know. Ii really would like to get some feedback on on how this is working.

[92:04] and also II feel like I've hit the turning point where I'm up to speed enough about what's happening in in in bolder oversight that I'm ready to meet community members and leaders and be able to talk about some of the work that we can do. So if you have you know events or people organizations who you would like to make an introduction to, or just suggest that I reach out to I would really appreciate that, because that's something. Now that II need to start doing now that I think I'm not going to completely embarrass myself when meeting with people from the public. Very. that's a great point. I would be willing to. We have lots of things coming up starting in January that involve the African American community.

[93:03] and I will be more than happy to introduce you in those in as many of those environments in advance, and all of those things, even perhaps to get engaged in some in some way. as a part of the the team. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. But I think to let it'd be known that you're here. that the oversight is here. It's not anything that's well known. and I think we got to pop up the marketing. and so just to be visible, and to say you're here in what you're what your objectives are. I think could be very helpful to the overall process. And so I'm willing I'd be willing to introduce you to to those environments

[94:04] as much as possible. That would be very appreciated. Kind of like plan. Excellent. Clinton. I think that is all. So we can go on to the next topic, Hadassah. Awesome, alright. So we have our voting on cases next. You should have all received the cases that we will be reviewing today via email. did anyone have any questions about those. It would be the October 2023 case summaries.

[95:00] Okay. so we can't share this because it does contain confidential information. But typically what we would do is we read out the case id with the allegations. and then we revoked whether or not to review this case as a panel, so if we choose to review it, then it would go to sherry for further investigation, compiling of all the evidence. and then we would have at least 3 panelists that would sit on that case, review and and dive in and then offer disposition, policy, or or other recommendations. So that's the process that we have for that any questions before we jump in. Okay. everyone have the

[96:00] taste summaries up. So look at seconds here. Okay, so we have 2, 3 cases, correct sharing. Yes. Yeah. Okay, so the 3 cases that we have are MI. 2023, dash 31, and this is also related to 32, but they are separate, so we'll vote on each one for 30, 31. There is an allegation against one officer 3 different allegations. First, one is a rule one. The officer did not respond in a timely manner. Rule 4. That the phone was hung up on the complaining witness and rule 4. Also. That the officer intentionally insulted the witness.

[97:08] are there any questions? Do we feel comfortable moving to vote. Okay? So we'll vote by majority of hands. So reminder, if if we choose not to accept this case, then it would still be reviewed by the Ipm but otherwise we as a panel, this would be our our our opportunity to decide. Yes or no. All right. So please show of hands. For? Yes, to review. Case 31, MI. 2023, number 31.

[98:00] Okay, I don't see any hands raised alright. Any votes to not reveal. It's fun. Yes. okay. Looks like it is pretty unanimous. We are 2, 3, 4, 5. So everyone. Yep, 6, 7. Thank you. So that was a No. To review. Case 31. Alright. MI. 2023. Dash 32, related to the previous one. The allegation is against an one officer, one allegation that the officer hung up the telephone on the complaining witness. Okay. Second, to read through there alright and votes to review most. Yes, to review this case, please show of hands

[99:01] back. Thank you. Okay, alright. Votes to not review this case. Number 32, 2, 5, 6, 7. Okay. perfect. So we are. go into, not review case number 32, and the last one is MI. 2023, dash 30. There are. There's one officer involved with 4 allegations. First, one is a rule, one unbiased policing gender rule another. The second one is also rule one violation, investigative responsibilities and case assignments. The officer did not conduct an adequate investigation. Rule 4 is Officer one, intimidated the witness.

[100:00] and rule 5. The officer retaliated against the witness anymore. Take a second to me through it. That's the well, let's get down. Arrest alright votes to review this case. Number 32 or sorry. 30, 6, 3 0. These things. one for Madeline. I see you, Madeline and me. Lynn. Okay. Votes not to review this case. 2, 3. I see Lizzie Chico and Jason and Victor. Okay, so that is 4 to 2. Not to review this case. Okay. any other

[101:01] questions or thoughts on that. Before we go to public comments tickets. It looks like we don't have any members of the public. Okay. wonderful. and I think that will conclude our meeting today. If we can. If I can just have like 1 min of everyone's time after this meeting. We'll just go ahead and close out here and stop the recording, please. Thanks.