October 11, 2023 — Police Oversight Panel Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:13] Especially since most of the start of the meeting is just me talking through the administrative stuff. great recording started. We do have members of the public. So to kick us off today, I'd like to start with reading our land acknowledgement. We acknowledge the Arapaho Ute and Cheyenne tribes, the traditional custodians of the land on which the police oversight panel and the boulder police department operate, and we pay our respects to their elders, past and present. and I wanna welcome. I do see, we have some members of the public with us here this evening, and I think I recognize some members of the press as well. I just wanna thank you all for being here for your attention to our work. We really do appreciate it. And of course I wanna welcome all panel members for being here as well this evening for making the time for this work.

[1:05] And just want to acknowledge that it's a challenging time right now for for many, if not all of us, for a variety of reasons. And so I just want to acknowledge that to make space for that and and just again thank you for being here and making the time. for any members of the public. You may use the QA. During this meeting, if it's a quick question, you know, related to this meeting procedure anything but any bigger questions or comments that you may have, I'd ask that you please hold those for our public comment. At the end of this meeting we will be having public comment this evening, and thank you, Selina, for monitoring our QA. This evening. As well. Also members of the public. If you if you'd like to submit a complaint. Oh, or contact the panel outside of this meeting our web address is Boulder Colorado, Gov, forward, slash services forward, slash police oversight.

[2:06] You can also email the panel at police oversight panel at Boulder, Colorado, Gov. Also a reminder, too, that these meetings are recorded and will be posted to the to the police oversight Panel's website. So if you ever need to refer to them later, or if panelists, you ever need to miss a meeting and need to get caught up. These meetings are available for you on the website, and a big thanks to our city staff for making that happen for us true. Turn over and read our agenda for this evening. Excuse me, I have the wrong agenda up for today. It is not September. Here we go boulder police oversight panel meeting, October eleventh, 2023. Our agenda for this evening. First, we will approve the September thirteenth, 2023 police oversight panel meeting minutes.

[3:01] Then we will turn it over to any panel committee updates we might have. We also have a note here. To address any upcoming schedule modifications to either. The subcommittees, case, reviews, trainings, sherry, and Hadass and I have been talking about that. So we'll touch base on schedules. Then we'll get a quick ordinance update from farah. And we're also gonna discuss the contingency for the more moratorium on our business. If the ordinance does not pass on next Thursday, October nineteenth. Then we'll hand it over to sherry for the Independent Police Monitor Report. We'll get our case report. We'll get some updates on oversight. Force force review panel, the Edr, the website, and we'll get feedback. On future Ipm reports as well any format or content. and after that we will turn it over for public comment before moving forward. Does anyone have anything they need to add to the agenda before we jump in today?

[4:05] And as a reminder to panelists. Oh, yeah. Milan. There, yeah. Oh, yeah, I just had a question about process, I guess, or you know some things that I may have missed in the past. I don't know what category that falls under might be, maybe a process question or sorry for a process question about the agenda a process question about things that I was made aware like during last meeting, and I'm I was not aware before that. So I don't know unless I ask the question right now, and but if you could give me like 2 min for a question at some point that would be great if it's if it's not related to something already on the agenda, why don't we circle back to it after the independent monitors report? If that works for you. Cool but now I'm

[5:06] captured by suspense. Yeah. So we'll put that after the monitors report. Then. panelists. Any other quickies. cool beans. In that case we'll go ahead and jump in. Does anyone have any edits or questions about the September thirteenth meeting minutes? Cuckoo-coochoo! Is there a motion to approve the minutes. Thank you. For the motion, and Madeleine for the second Panelist show of hands, all in favor of approving the September 13 min. Cool beans.

[6:00] panel committee updates. Let's just do a quick round robin before we go. I touch base with. Adasa. We actually are gonna cancel next week's governance committee meeting. I just wanna make sure all panel members in public, know, just because, the ordinance definitely will not have been passed by then, and so we don't have anything else to do until it's passed, and then we're gonna be jumping into some pretty in-depth bylaws work, and our plan is to come back to you all with with amendments quite a few amendments to get our bylaws aligned with wherever the ordinance ends up. So that's governance. Yeah, sherry. I just quick looked on my calendar, and it looks like legacy has is on the calendar for October 26. So I don't know if that falls under the same issue of the the Ordinance won't be passed. or maybe it will. It might be. Yeah. So that's II and Chico isn't with us this evening. But that would be a question for him, and there's a chance that yes, the ordinance will be passed on the nineteenth, so he so he'll be the one. Yes, maybe Selina and Cherry, if you wanna follow up with Chico about that meeting just to double check on it.

[7:16] Okay, okay, it's it's Madeleine. I just have a comment and a thank you. You cannot send too many reminders. Okay, II mean, especially for me. I'm getting ready for all of these 2024 events. And my email is crazy. And so don't feel that you're bothering me if you send me text messages. Lynn usually keeps me up, and and I got the latest from Selena. I just wanted to thank you, that's all. Keep it up, and we'll say off that, too. Is that? Yes, sherry and Selena Adas, and I've asked Sherry and Selena to start sending

[8:10] our meeting, making sure that all of our meetings as a panel are shared with all members of the panel, even if we don't need to be there. And just as a reminder, if you don't need to be at that meeting, you'll be popped into the optional section and outlook. And so I just so that's just to make sure we all know all the meetings that are coming up, all that required. And then we also. re asked. We asked Selina, and sherry something we started before the moratorium, and we wanna get into the habit of is also getting those reminders through the group text as well. Just keeping us appraised of what's going on. Because I know I we're not in our emails as much as city staff are. And so our emails and calendars log out periodically. And so I know sometimes those updates don't come through or we're unaware that our calendar hasn't been updating for a few days. So I so those are our 2 stop gaps.

[9:01] However, I do want to raise, you know, to think on it, too. If there is any other way, we can help facilitate reminders, or if you're getting. you know, if Calendar invites, aren't working, you know. Keep us. Keep us. Keep us up to date. What's working for you? What we can do as co-chairs, you know, as Selina Sherry. What what the 4 of us can do to help you all keep calendars. Cause? Yeah. it's a lot yeah. Dasa would it be possible? Just because it's been a minute since we've had committee meetings. So if the ordinance gets approved on the nineteenth just to have a email that goes out reminding people which committees they are on. That's a great idea. Thank you. yeah, that should be. That should be pretty easy for us to do. Awesome.

[10:01] I thought maybe if you wanted to link to the the contact and committee spreadsheet, we have as well, just as just as a reminder that we have that as a reference. I thought you were going to take the time that opportunity to offer other people to step up and join some of or Co. Chair some of those committees. Well, with that invitation, sherry. Yes, we are still members of the Governance Committee. If anyone's interested. Sherry, did you have anything else. Sorry, I know you. I just wanted to say that since you know. since there you know, the the panel has been on the moratorium. So a lot of these committees haven't met and you know now there are like, I'm a new staff person. Selina is a new staff person. I think there are some people on the committee who were only on the committee, who were only on the panel for a minute before it went on moratorium. But I would really suggest that

[11:07] everyone start thinking about whether that the committees that they're on meets their schedules like look to see what is currently identified on the website as the meeting times. But I consider this all just like up in the air. And we can, we can change these? But I just wanna make sure that we have that, that the times work as best as possible for the people who are involved and that we have the time to update the website appropriately, so that the public knows when those meetings are going to happen, and for Selena to put them on the calendars and figure out the reminders and all of all, all of that but if you're, you know, if something doesn't work especially when there's committees that are just like 2 people. You know. Please let us know we can. We can change that and along the same vein. I hope that people when we when we meet in November, when hopefully, you know, we do have the ordinance passed and we're we're going full steam ahead. I hope people can come prepared, you know, with their with their calendars, to figure out some some standing dates that might work for sliding in some trainings and other things like that. So just just more of a heads up. And also

[12:19] I know that everyone's really concerned about you know, open meeting laws. But my understanding is that conversations that are just about like logistics and scheduling those those can happen. You know, outside of public meetings and things like that. So you know, people want to get together on their own. Or if Selina reaches out to you like those. That's not a conversation that you have to worry be about being in violation of open open meeting laws. so you know, if you want in the meantime to figure out what works for you and your other committee members or subcommittee members. you know. That sounds great. I see solidarity. How's your hand?

[13:01] Yes, thank you. Just kind of. I heard you, Daniel, saying that the Bylaws is kind of a work for the Governance Committee. I do think that this important enough to be like a whole panel job type of thing. I'm not forcing anyone into participating, but I think like, if if we present it as all Governance committee, and we're gonna write the bylaws it. I think it should be something that we we we we should all be involved in in some way or another, especially giving like. I think it has to catch up with the ordinance a lot, and and it will be great to have kind of more perspectives on it. Not you, too, writing it. That's what I'm saying, you know. But you're not gonna do a great job. But it's pretty lonely. yeah. And and so and and and as a reminder to the bylaws are written, we have our bylaws. The biggest thing is before the moratorium. We had. We had accumulated quite of a list of amendments that need to happen in part. And and this is the big one. The the chairs, the committees

[14:13] actually need to finish writing out their sections of the bylaws as well duties, responsibilities. And so that was one of the things, for example. And so yeah, those Governance communion meetings. They're open to anyone. Anyone who wants to jump in pitch in. And the way huh! The way it's set up in the bylaws to edit the bylaws. The Governance Committee will actually will solicit feedback will draft language, and then we'll share them at these meetings with you all for feedback. And of course, this is, this is core panel business. So it doesn't. Those are public meetings. and and even though it's just Das and I in these committee meetings. Ii believe right. Ada will still keep these meetings public as well. because it's core business. It's important business. And so when we bring those amendments back to the panel for feedback, and then the Governance Committee does not have the authority to change

[15:09] by laws by themselves. It is only by both in the panel. Nothing changes in the bylaws until we all vote for it. With feedback, too, of course. But yeah, like I said, governance committee could use some more people. So if you're interested, please join us. That'd be awesome. I wanna talk. I wanna get back to schedules in a second. Thank you, Sheri. But first, I wanna check in with communications and community engagement just to see if they have any updates before we move to the next agenda item we did not meet this month due to the city council meeting, so we have no updates. cool beans. Boom. Okay? So yes. Re upcoming meeting. So Sherri Dasa and I, we we met last last week to talk about lot of things. But one of the things we talked about is upcoming schedules. And so what we kind of wanted to bring to you all was, was a

[16:13] conversation in particular about trainings, and how we've done trainings in the past, and so for past trainings. The way we scheduled those was kind of a a a bit of a quasi doodle poll of asking folks when they're available. Usually we ended up meeting on. or maybe always. But usually we ended up meeting on the weekends weekend mornings to have our trainings in about in a 3 to 4 h block. But something I don't know. Actually, I'll just hand it to you, Sherry, you had recommended. Maybe we just find a repeating Saturday throughout the year, and and I'll just hand it over to you for that suggestion. Yeah. My understanding from from people is that scheduling is a challenge with panel members, because we all have, you know full life and lots of other commitments, and

[17:02] my thought was that instead of always just trying to figure out, you know, a time to do a training or a case review meeting to just put some slots on the calendar. When it seems like people have the most availability. And just block those off. And then, you know, if a case review comes up, or or when we have a training to do, we just park it into the into one of those time slots, and if there isn't that sort of thing. then it just gets it just gets cancelled. But I thought that that would allow people, especially if anyone is taking like classes or anything to have you know, have stability and be able to look out farther on their calendar also with training. I was anticipating that trainings would be as when when applicable, that they would be recorded and available for people who have to miss it, or for new panelists to get them up to speed on a training that happened prior to their joining the panel. But th that that that's my idea. We certainly can talk about it more

[18:05] hopefully at the at next month's meeting, but that's that. Just seems to be something to help people out with their, you know, vacation planning and their other commitments beans, any initial thoughts, as Sherry said, We'll we won't. We won't be able to to put this in stone until our November meeting, when the moratorium lifts. But any initial thoughts on that, as we, as we start to explore it as chairs and come back seeming steaming full steam cool. Have a think on it. Other other updates related to schedules, too. We are looking at getting back. Oh, getting back! We never got there starting hybrid meetings these meetings, holding them hybrid in a space where the community can join us in person or remotely and same goes for us. If if there's you know, we

[19:04] we'd want panelists to prioritize being there in person. But in those instances where it's just, you know, we're out of town, or there's there's a challenge we're facing, being able to also tune in remotely, as panelists really like city council does, and we were kind of looking at starting that next year, January, getting ourselves set up, giving us our some time, and we were looking at Wednesday nights. We had kind of. We moved to Wednesday nights earlier, because that looked like when Council chambers would be available, which is, is the best room for this to happen is my understanding. But that's also something to think about. As well. If moving to. You know those in person slash hybrid meetings on Wednesdays. If that's gonna be particularly challenging for you as a panelist, let us know and we could potentially. And we could look at potentially re visiting that date. That being said, city calendars are are jam packed with fun and adventure. So there's only so much wiggle room we can work with. But I wanna make sure we're considering everyone's schedules and needs. Yeah, Victor, I see the hand.

[20:07] This is back to the earlier thing sherry was talking about and also for just bringing on. You have some newer panel numbers here. but with the training, expectations, and stuff like that. Is it reasonable to say that a full Saturday and other things would be almost like 12 HA month? Is that kind of like where we're at verses like, Oh, it's 4 to 6. It seems like it's more 10 to 12. So I just want to be realistic about that and that's it. Yeah, thank you for that, Victor. And that's really important. Cause we're gonna have a recruitment cycle coming up early next year as well. you know. And that's an important question, for the the recommended ordinance changes with those training requirements. Is that a significant change in our time commitment as panelists that we need to start communicating.

[21:01] I'm good Ab. With the for Thursdays. The reasons we moved off Thursdays because those are city council meetings. And so that was limiting the ability of members of the public and the panel to be able to attend city council meetings when necessary. In addition to the to the Pop meetings. And of course, then City Council chambers wouldn't be available those evenings as well for us. And so that's why we used to meet on Thursdays. But it was creating creating trouble for folks. And so that's why we partly why we moved them off Wednesday as well, while also kind of eyeing that, you know. Someday we could return to in person on Wednesdays. Thank you for that, though. Yeah. Sherry, Dasa anything else with schedule modifications we wanted to touch on. I do want to know whether the IPM. Co. Chair meeting, which was scheduled for. I think next Monday is going to be on Monday or on Tuesday, as we decided upcoming

[22:06] meetings, Ipm co-chair meetings would be next week. We decided on Monday, right? Monday, at 5 30. It's just we had decided that we meetings were gonna be on Tuesday Monday works better for me. So we did it because of Halloween next wait, never mind. Oh. let's take care of that off. Yeah. I think we might have crossed our wires and trying to move off. why don't we? I think that was all I wanted to say about scheduling, just. you know, have have an idea of your calendars for for November meeting. and our goal, I should remind panelists to our goal is to be able to

[23:00] to plan out our whole year and be able to share the year of meetings with y'all as well, at least committee meetings and general public meetings and co-chairs meetings, so that so so that we can be planning ahead as much as we can. And we've done that in the past so trying to revisit that, yeah, oh, actually, the no November eighth meeting, Daniel is that that's the one you have the commitment don't correct yeah, so so dasa will lead that meeting yeah moving right along with them, I will hand it over to Farrah for an ordinance update. Hi! Good evening, everyone. I'm battling a little bit of a cold, so my my voice sounds a little different. But it's good to see you all. It's good to see progress happening. I know there's probably some ambivalence of whether or not we would get here. But we are here.

[24:08] I mean, we're always gonna get here. But maybe in the time that we thought we were gonna get here and less bruised. I guess we're not as bruises. I maybe maybe thought we would be but it's good. It's moving forward first reading. Was pretty, just kind of elementary in terms of the legislative process that the ordinance has to go through. So essentially it was on the consent. Calendar very little comment from Council One. There was one council member that requested, you know, to hear from the work group. When it comes up on the nineteenth. I'm trying to think of what another there were some questions about. I think the packet which I'm going to clear up. In my presentation. But there really was very minimal comment on it. It it passed on consent. But the biggest obviously the biggest conversation in the public hearing will be on October nineteenth.

[25:14] So just in terms of logistics. there are 2 items, 2 big items on the agenda. I think one is a budget matter, and then the second is the ordinance. I believe the budget item will probably go first and then essentially the way I understand the process to be. I will do a presentation to counsel, and II envision. My presentation will be very similar to the presentation that I gave you all with going into kind of detail about the ordinance. and then also obviously talking about feedback that we've received so far. Feedback. I received from them. And then there will. This part that I don't know is when exactly they take public comment, but they obviously anticipate public comment on this specifically and obviously the public hearing part. They will probably council members who

[26:05] ask specific questions of either the work group members or panel members. But I imagine I'll probably be work group members and and then there'll be. you know, conversation at the Dyess between the council members. And so this is very different than what I'm used to in Chicago and Austin, but the way I understand it in terms of procedurally is that if there are changes to the content as written, then that more likely than not will lead to a third reading, which means that it will go to the next council meeting, which would be November second. So that allows some. I think that's 2 weeks a week or 2. For edits to be made. Is there a possibility that it could pass as is on the nineteenth? Yes.

[27:00] so II just wanna put that out there, that that is a possibility. And let me let me just kind of put out the possibilities as I understand them. Possibility number one, could it pass as is written as proposed. That's option. A. That is a possibility. Could it pass on the nineteenth with some slight changes. I think there's a possibility of particularly as it relates to the moratorium. ending the next day, enacting like an emergency where they can be able to use their parliamentary procedures to be able to make some smaller changes and then pass as is on the nineteenth. So that's kind of like option B, and then option C is that if you know there are pretty much any changes small, you know, medium large, whatever. That would then come back to council on the third reading. What I. What I'm hoping for is the third reading. If it goes to third reading that that is the last reading II really don't want a fourth, fifth, or sixth reading.

[28:06] you know. I'm hoping that we can wrap it up. But I can just tell you just kind of even though it's not inside baseball cause. This is a public meeting. People are watching. My briefings with council have been very positive. The feedback that I've received on the draft has been a very positive there might be like a few kind of tweaks here and there. But I do think that there's an intention that you know, if it can't be done on the nineteenth, then November second, is it? They've been very complimentary of the draft and the work that was done to put in there. And also very specific about. I feel like I shared this with the panel. But I've written at least 2 memos about community feedback that I've received through this process, and you know they all appreciated that. The feedback that you know we've received over the last 6 months were addressed in the draft. And so that was that was pretty pretty positive.

[29:05] And the couple of things I was asked to look into, but nothing really really major but I would say the general feedback from the Council brings that I've had have been pretty positive. So I say that to say, because I know you guys are talking about the moratorium today that I feel pretty confident that if it doesn't happen on the nineteenth, I do think November second is very, very, very, very, very realistic. And that just the the tweaks in between. or some are are probably going to be that substantive, but obviously important to be able to resolve on on the nineteenth. I think Daniel asked me to address kind of Hmm. How like how you, how you should communicate to council members. Ii think that that's kind of a a personal choice for you. Obviously you have your 2 min, and you would sign up in the normal process if you so choose. But I think that also because this is

[30:09] something that directly impacts you in your role as panel members. I do think you know it. It would be appropriate for you to email counsel to tell them how you feel about it, too, because they do encourage community members to do that. So if you're so inclined, I think sending an email that to them ahead of time and particularly if you can't make it to at the Council date. You know, sending something ahead of time if you can. But definitely also, if you want to be more vocal about it, signing up, you know, at the very minimum, for your you know the 2 min to be able to speak ahead of time. And then, you know, obviously, II think some of you may have you know your own relationships with council members to is also utilizing those you know relationships to have your own personal conversations. I would, you know, encourage you to to do that as well.

[31:01] So those are kind of 3 3 options. that that I think are available to you, that I, you know, would encourage you to utilize to the extent that you're you're comfortable if you're not comfortable saying anything at all. That's fine, too. You know what I mean, but those are. Those are some options that I think are available for your consideration. Did that address? What you asked me to address Daniel? Yeah. So so I think you know. The other formality. And and this I should have asked this to Erin to confirm. But my understanding is that if it's approved, I think it goes into effect within 30 days. But I do think that there's a parliamentary procedure where it can go into effect right away. So you know, we could definitely out. I can take that as a follow up. I just forgot to ask Erin that question. But you know we're moving in the right direction. We've we've had conversations about. You know what this passes to have kind of like a more deep dive training about it. So that's you know, that's in the pipeline. The other thing that I want to make clear as day, and this is kind of giving you a little

[32:13] prelude to the conversation with Council, or the presentation to counsel is that like. I want to dispel any perception that our train ends on either the nineteenth or November second? No, no, no, no! The train keeps going right where our work continues right, because the the the draft and the the passage of the ordinance is a huge accomplishment that we should all be proud of, and we might take a break so we can, you know. do something else for a little bit. But we're gonna come back to the table because it's gonna require us to work on policies. It's gonna require us to implement some of the things that are suggested in the ordinance. Right? For example, we've talked about this a lot like there's a whole training section.

[33:07] we need to, you know. Put the meat around the training section and and figure out how we get training, particularly with onboarding like a well oiled machine. So there, there will be work that continues. Obviously it won't be as you know, like public in the way of the work group and all that, it'll be more kind of internal. But this work and the evolution of oversight, and what you do as a panel does not stop at the passage. If anything, it probably revs it up a little bit, and that the work, you know, will continue to revolve, to strengthen what you do and to give you. You know the policy and the administrative support that you need. You need to get it done. So the ordinance is just literally the first stop on the destination. If that makes sense. So I just wanna make that very clear that I hope that people don't think. Oh, we passed the ordinance. We're good. No, no, no, no, there's still plenty of work that will need to happen. As we move forward in terms of implementing all the aspects of the ordinance.

[34:12] And I think that's it. But I'm happy to either take questions now, or wait until you have questions. However, you want Daniel. Yeah, any questions for Fara. Y'all. yeah, Milan. II just have a quick question for you said 30 days to come into effect. Is it coming into effect after 30 days, or with the possibility of being going into effect immediately? Or is it within 30 days? It doesn't really matter. I have. Yeah, I have to ask Erin, because I think what happens is that like? So if they? Let's say they pass it on the nineteenth, and it could on October nineteenth, then it would go into effect. November nineteenth is my understanding, or they can utilize a parliamentary procedure where it can go into effect on October nineteenth. So I just need to ask kind of cause. Those are like. So in the weeds with.

[35:05] you know, the policy procedure. I just want to ask Aaron Poe and I'll send it email once I get that confirmation to everybody. So everybody knows. I just forgot to ask her before the meeting. and off that to the co-chairs through that city council on part of the contingency requests is one way or another, the ordinance work, the or sorry. The the moratorium doesn't lift, and business doesn't resume until the new ordinance has been passed. And I. And I think part of that is just because, wow! Confusion to to try to operate under either an ordinance that hasn't been passed isn't in effect or for us to go to third. A third reading with the moratorium lifted and so Dasa did send that request over to Neria this week, and so we really look forward to hearing how city council handles that on Thursday.

[36:05] I actually have. I didn't see the the, the email to Nuria but so I don't know if the panel needs to make like an agreement about that that that is the way that you want to proceed. So when we voted into for ourselves, we said that our moratorium ended when the ordinance was, was revised, and in effect the new, the new ordinance the City Council approval of our march, or however, they worded that that's what ends on the nineteenth. And so the thing is. and I'm just speaking for me here. We didn't ask for City council to approve us. We said, this is what we're doing. That's what we're doing. And our it ends for us when the more it's, you know, when the ordinance is voted into effect. Whether or not. City council chooses to extend it through their things. It would be nice. And obviously, that's why I sent the request to say this needs to happen, so that, you know, if there's any concern about city Council not being approval or blah blah blah but ultimately

[37:17] I'll never forget. We made the decision whether or not City Council approved our moratorium anyway. So that's that's my stance. That's how I feel about it. If they don't extend it. That would be messy for them that might cause problems, and I hope that they have recognized that. But they, from what I've heard from Narya, there is not the belief like there's a lot of confidence that it will be voted in on that team, and so but the language will be so if it isn't approved. Then they will extend it for theirs. Yeah. And thank you for that. Yeah, you know, does. In a brief discussion I had with Erin. She wanted me to get confirmation. That that's how the panel, that that is how the panel wants to move forward, which is

[38:03] asking that if the ordinance does not pass on the nineteenth, that the Pam, that the Council extend the moratorium, so her. So that that question seems to be answered. But the the specific question now then, would be. Does would you be asking that? What would the panel be asking? That the moratorium ends at the passage of the ordinance. you know, which, if it goes to third reading, would be November second. or possibly at the implementation and the effective date of the ordinance, which could be 30 days later. Yeah. So our original vote was was on passage in the spring. thoughts. I mean III from a practicality standpoint, it just seems

[39:03] we should. We should resume when the new audience ordinances, in effect. especially for the Psu, for any other city staff that are working with the panel to have a clear understanding of of which laws, in effect, which wheels we start turning, under which law, because we resume, if we resume trainings and case reviews under the current ordinance. And then the new ordinance changes come into effect. I mean, I think, just practically it just makes sense that the moratorium should end when the new ordinance is in effect, and it sounds like there's a parliamentarian procedure that can make that the same thing same day. So that's that would also seem to be efficient. Slowly, Dot, I saw you unmuted. Yeah, I got confused between what you all said and your question Sherry. So? That's how you send a communication to the city manager. It was on like your personal opinion, your own behalf, or on behalf of the whole panel.

[40:05] And then are you asking if we should vote? So like. like, III yeah. I don't know if there there was a question that we were supposed to answer all together, and we missed. I I'm not understanding, really sure. Sure. So just for clarification, what what I what I send in my email is we voted to end our moratorium when the ordinance ends. And so my request was that when city council votes, their options are, yes, we approve or no, and we're extending the moratorium, so they cannot vote. No, without extending the moratorium. That was my request. which is upholding the vote we took in the spring email that you sent personally to Noria. Okay?

[41:01] And so then the question, this sherry, if I'm I'm getting it right. The question on top of that is this potential 30 day lag between the ordinances past. But it doesn't go into effect for 30 days. And I I mean my my recommendation to city count. I mean, I know this is their business. My recommendation to city council is, they put all 3 dates on the same day. Passage enacted. Moratorium ends and and we get out clean. But I also, you know, I'm not a lawyer or a city council member, but that seems pretty clean to me. Hey, Daniel? I have a question. Did you wanna do? QA. Right now? Did we have time to do QA. Right now, or did we want to wait? Because I do have a question by a community member, and I'm not sure how to answer it. Or if we wanted to answer it. Together. I'm not sure if it's much of a question. But yeah.

[42:02] Are you talking about the open one in the QA. Yeah. So no, that Lynn, thank you. But we'll have public comment at the end of this meeting where you can, you can offer comments. Thank you so much. Thanks, Selena. Daniel. Can we go back to Kadasa? And and the letter? She submitted. It seems to me that what she submitted supports what we did vote on in the spring as a group. So how do we? And while she submitted that as a personal opinion, right. Hadassah. Okay, what do we do to come back and say, while she submitted that as a personal opinion it is of the total stance of the panel. It supports what we agreed on and voted on in the spring. Right?

[43:03] Yeah, that's a good question. I think. Fara stepped away, and I'm not sure if the answer she's getting is about the voting. So what your answer was about is it around this or something else? No, it is. It was kind of around this, but it's the. for example, if Council chooses to pass this on the nineteenth as an emergency, it goes into effect on the nineteenth. If, for example, they make changes to it, and it goes to third reading, and that's November second, it can go into effect November second, if they pass it as an emergency. So I, the parliamentary thing that I wasn't familiar about that I'm mentioning is is if they pass it as an emergency, then it's effective immediately, right? If they don't do it that way. Then there is a timeframe before effectiveness. Does that make sense? I just cause I was like literally texting everyone I'm like, let me get this answer now. So that's that's the answer I just received.

[44:01] Does that? Does that help everybody? Okay? so how do we get on one accord in terms of of what Hadassa submitted as a as an individual thing? Well, we all that was our collective decision. How do we get that opinion? That collective opinion restated so you could also email Maria, just to kind of confirm with that. But let me sorry. Let me just pull up the email real quick and so I can get just her exact words. Cause. After reading her response back. I felt like there wouldn't be. There wouldn't be a question like that. Was, that was what the options were going to be. But yeah, give me give me 1 s sorry

[45:05] recommuniticating the panel vote and the intentions of the panel vote as well in that email. So while it was from Adasa, it is. She was recommunicating the the vote we took. And so nothing has changed with our vote. We've taken as well. okay, so that that while it was from her individually, it's still supported us as a P. As a panel, so that that pretty much answers my question. Yeah, and just so I can let you know. So nuria said that she would alert, legal. So they have the language ready at the they have the language at the ready if they need it. But again, she said she was not concerned about it, not being voted in on the nineteenth, potentially. So. we're we're we're we're looking good, either it's going to be voted in or they're gonna say, no, and we're gonna extend, and we'll re vote again

[46:01] and sounds like, and it'll be effective immediately. Okay, so that was re reply technically, is to all of us, yes. okay, I can forward it to everyone, too, if you all would like absolutely just because this was a question that Erin specifically asked me. And it is to find out. you know, whether. if we have to go to third reading. whether we want the the language of an extension of the moratorium to involve. You know, the passage of the ordinance or the effective date. because those those can be different. II would think the question, the. So you're saying, like, what city council votes when they say no, and we're gonna extend for.

[47:02] Sorry when they're voting. They're gonna say, it's it's effective or the moratorium ends on effective date. Or the moratorium ends on passage date. Right. That's what we're what we're asking. II get the set. I mean, I would vote effective. What are what are you? All's opinions? Yep. Anyone has opposition to maybe raise that hand. But yeah, Milan. oh, yeah, I would say, effective. We don't wanna have 30 days where we are floating between 2 things. So I think effective is more logical. Thanks, Milan. And yeah, sherry. If if Erin has any questions for the panel, too, she can also reach out to the Co. Chairs as well, I think important to make sure we're maintaining the independence of the Monitor and the panel when it comes to legal decisions like this? Anyone else have any other questions comments on this? Is anyone else thinking, not effective date?

[48:03] I know we're really in the weeds here, and we're not expecting to be cool. Okay? So yeah, sure, it sounds like effective date. And if Erin has any, follow up questions she can reach out to Adasa and I directly. Any other sorry circling back, just to make sure we cover any other questions for Farah about next Thursday or process with the ordinance. Farrah. One thing I was thinking to, maybe, for, like our November meeting II hadn't heard that you were. You were staying on it beyond the ordinance passage, and so that what you had talked about before that's first. I've heard about the work to come after the ordinance, and so maybe next November we should have we should touch base. If there's a presentation. If we can walk through what that structure is going to look like for the panel as well.

[49:02] Just because it sounded cause that that was new information that we were going to. There was significant amount of work we were going to do post ordinance, and just wondering if there's someone from the city who wants to talk more about what that looks like and what that structure is. So I'm I'm on board until the end of the year, and one part of my scope of work is training. So that part we just haven't really gotten to yet, because our focus has been the ordinance. So I'm hoping to transition to kind of helping sherry solidify the training particularly training slash onboarding so that that for me will be the next step. However, I need to put it. However. We do have, you know, obviously potential selection eminent, too. So it might be like a parallel because we're gonna have to develop processes, you know, if if this selection process changes for that, too, so that that will maybe a parallel conversation as well. So that's what I mean by that where it's like, you know what I mean with the stuff that changes.

[50:07] we'll have to develop, like, you know, kind of what the standard operating procedures or policies are on it. Remember how I told you guys about how like it was such a big deal to put the authority for you to review critical incidents in the ordinance like that just warms my heart. Like to put in there. I was like, that's such a big deal. However, remember, I also told you that, like we have no back end, you know. resources to figure out how we do that like we have to figure out that part. So that's what I mean by like, we still have work to do, because we have to figure out how we give you the resources both. You know the panel and the Monitor to be able to review critical. And since we have to build that part out like the backend, that's what I mean by that is that you know we have expanded a little bit of your role. But we also have to develop policies around what that's gonna look like. And that's what I mean by like, the wheels are going to keep turning. And we're still going to be moving like, we're not at our destination just yet.

[51:11] What next? Especially for public disclosure transparency just being clear like, yeah. So we've we've passed the ordinance. What comes next? What are we working on now to implement? Cool, cool, cool. II have a question. Sarah. so are we to understand that your departure date is 1231, 23. Umhm. I believe it's the end of December. Yes, ma'am. what flexibility do we, as a panel, have within that date? If we determined that there's a need for you to be here longer? I would probably say, that's a conversation with the city manager. Maybe.

[52:03] Okay. Yeah. Alright. I don't. I don't have anything up. I'm just saying I just, you know my years of life. Things happen. And so we just want to be able to have the resources that we need to be affected. So I'm thinking perfect. Thank you. In other words, we like you. We want to keep you, and you didn't apply for the cool beans. Any other. Okay, it's hoping to wrap this up now any other final thoughts for farah questions about this process with the ordinance. I look forward to seeing many of you next Thursday at the City Council meeting if you can make it. Milan. Yeah. I just wanna say, Sarah, thank you so much. I mean, I just. I know we we don't say it enough. You've got a ton of work in this in moments that were absolutely

[53:10] the worst and the most difficult for you, and you still showed up, and and we have this ordinance right now that we can all be proud of. So just wanted to say a big thank you to you for all this work. And I also wanna say, I love you. I love the work you did. It's been really wonderful working with you. So just I'll have the opportunity to say that, too. But there's a lot of love that you put in the work you give and it's felt so thank you. Thank you. And it's 7, 26, Why don't we go and take our 5 min break now, and we will come back for our monitors report. So see you all back here at

[54:02] 7 32. Thank you very much.

[59:22] Yoki panelists. We are back for cameras beans, all right. With that I'm gonna go ahead and hand it over to. And we did resume recording. Good. I'm gonna hand it over to sherry for our independenters police report.

[60:06] Okay, thank you. Let me share my screen. Okay. can everybody see the the presentation? Okay. Thanks. Okay. Well. I'll share with you the Independent Police Monitor's report for the October 2,023 Boulder police oversight panel meeting.

[61:05] Full case file reviews that were completed in September 2,023 are 2 full case file reviews completed and pending boulder police department disposition one, and cases awaiting panel review are 2 regarding case SM. 2, 0 2, 3, 0 0 1. This complaint stemmed from an ongoing dispute between upstairs and downstairs neighbors in an apartment building the downstairs neighbor told 9, 1 one, that there was a violent domestic argument in the upstairs apartment officer. One was among several officers who responded. The upstairs neighbor was with his son, he said he had been yelling at someone on the phone. The next day the downstairs neighbor called again about screaming and cursing. Upstairs. Officer one responded alone. The upstairs neighbor was with his son and admitted yelling at someone over the telephone.

[62:00] He said he was stressed out and told the officer about the downstairs neighbor, previously threatening him with knives, and said that the night before the downstairs neighbor complained about his kids noisy toys, and said, You're lucky. I don't shoot you guys and spit in his face. Officer one did not ask. Follow up questions later that day, Officer one was assigned to upstairs neighborhood to the upstairs. Neighbors 9. 1. One call about the downstairs neighbor and did not document his response. This complaint, which the downstairs neighbor filed, was classified as serious misconduct based on Officer one's disciplinary history. The allegations for Officer one were Rule one, compliance with values, rules, and general orders. GO. 2, 2, 0 3, investigative responsibility and case assignment did not conduct an adequate investigation. and the panel reviewed this case. And they sustained that allegation and recommended an eight-day suspension

[63:00] the department also sustained the allegation, and it recommended or and implemented a seven-day suspension and a performance improvement plan the second, allegation was rule one compliance with values, rules and general orders. General order 2, 0, one. Report writing did not document response to an incident to which the officer was assigned. The panel sustained this allegation and recommended an eight-day suspension, and the Department also sustained the allegation with a seven-day suspension and performance improvement plan. Additionally, the panel recommended that the boulder police department enhance training to ensure officers are on alert for individuals at risk, or who may present a risk to others due to mental health issues and take steps to connect these individuals at risk of eviction with social services. The police department responded that

[64:00] they will one require the officer to attend the next available crisis intervention training at CIT. Class, and the professional standards unit will also coordinate with cert to provide refresher briefing trainings to officers. In addition, the Boulder police department will explore expanding training provided by community resource representatives on matters such as housing issues. The panel also recommended recommended that boulder police department require officers to activate body worn cameras during interactions with members that members of the public initiate, not just those interactions that the officers initiate for the purpose of enforcing the law or violating possible violations of law. The Department responded, that they will consider this language prior to revisiting general order 2, 4 0, which is the in-car camera body. Worn cameras and personal recording devices. Form is conduct investigation 2, 0, 2, 3, dash 0 0 4

[65:05] a woman called 9 1 one, to report that her son had shoved her and locked her out of the house where she was visiting, and he was living with his 2 4 year old daughters. officers one and 2, stood by while the mother used her key to enter the home and get her belongings. The mother wouldn't describe the physical encounter, but did describe events that made it seem like her son had jeopardized the safety of his children in the car the night before. The son who is the complainant is a licensed professional counsellor who worked as a co responder with the Denver police department. The officers broke the plane of the front door with their feet, and called out to see if the sun would speak with them. He eventually responded, told officers or 2 to shut the door and close the door in Officer Two's face. The officers subsequently learned that the children were not with the son the night before in the car and left officer. One reported the incident to the man's ex wife with whom she had previously interacted. the Denver police Department, which is the man's employ, the man's employer, and after speaking to a member of the cert, filed a complaint with the Colorado department of regulatory agencies.

[66:12] Allegations against Officer one were rule, one compliance with values, rules, and general orders. GO. 1, 3 criminal process entered an individual's home. and the Independent Police Monitor. and recommended that this be exonerated, and the Department also exonerated the allegation. Another allegation is rule, one compliance with values, rules, and general orders. GO. 2. 0. One report writing prepared an inaccurate report. This allegation was not sustained as recommended by the Independent Police Monitor and by the Department. Rule 5 police authority and public trust, reported details of a police encounter involving an individual with the mother of the individual's children. The Independent Police Monitor recommended this allegation be not sustained. The Department, however, determined that it was exonerated.

[67:10] Rule 5. Police authority and public trust made a report regarding an individual to the Denver Police Department, with which the individual worked. The Independent Police Monitor recommended the allegation be not safe, not sustained. But the Department determined that this was also exonerated. Rule 5 police authority and public trust made a report regarding an individual individual to the individual's employer. Again, the Independent Police Monitor recommended that this be not sustained, and the Department determined that it was exonerated rule 5. Police authority and public trust filed a complaint regarding an individual, a licensed professional counselor with the Department of regulatory agencies. and the Independent Monitor recommended, not sustained. The Department determined that it was exonerated, and rule one compliance with values, rules, and general orders. GO one one unbiased policing

[68:08] and gender the Independent police monitor recommended, not sustained, and the department determined that it was also not sustained. Officer 2 had a single allegation, which was a rule, one compliance with values, rules, and general orders. GO. One. 30 criminal process entered an individual's home. The Independent Police Monitor recommended that the allegation be exonerated, and the Department also determined that the allegation is exonerated. The Independent Police Monitor also recommended that officer one be counsel to obtain supervisory and or legal advisor approval before making notifications to employers and regulatory agencies, etc., and the Boulder police department agreed to provide such supervisory counseling

[69:01] for case MI. 2, 0, 2, 3, dash 0 1, 2 officers, one and 2. Saw a man using a car with expired license plates, put trash in an apartment complexes. Dumpster. When he pulled out into the street the officers stopped him. The man got out of the car and walked toward the officers, claimed he had not been driving the car, and refused to provide his name, driver's license, and insurance, and asked to speak with the supervisor. The driver put his hands in and out of his pockets and started to walk away. Officer one frisked him, and the officers handcuffed him, detained him, and sat him down on the curb while they waited for Officer 3, a supervisor though the driver said he wasn't going to answer questions. He and the officers continued to speak. At 1 point, when the driver again refused to identify himself. Officer 2 asked whether they would have to play hangman. When Officer 3 arrived. He told the driver that he could identify himself or be taken to jail and fingerprinted, then released. the man consented to Officer, one removing his driver's license. From the driver's wallet officer one issued the driver a summons, and then the officers released the driver.

[70:06] Officer one. The allegations against Officer one were rule, one compliance with values, rules and general orders. General order 3 l. 5. Field interviews, pat downs and consent searches frisked an individual. The panel reviewed this case. Recommended that this allegation be not sustained, and the Department determined that it was exonerated. additional allegation rule one compliance with values, rules, and general orders. General order 305. Field interviews pat down and consent searches detained in an individual. The panel recommended that this allegation be exonerated, and the Department also determined that it was an exonerated allegation. Rule 6. Use of force used force against an individual. The panel recommended that this allegation be exonerated, and the Department also determined that it be exonerated.

[71:02] Rule. One compliance with values, rules, and general orders. General order, 1. 30 criminal process questioned and in individual, the panel recommended that this be exonerated, and the Department also determined that it be exonerated. Rule. buttons rule one. Compliance with values, rules and general orders. General order 305 field interviews pat down and consent searches searched an individual's wallet wallet. Both the panel and the department determined that this would be exonerated. Officer. 2 allegations were rule, one. Compliance with values, rules and general orders. General order 305. Field interviews, hat-down and consent searches detained to an individual. Both the panel and the department determined that this allegation would be exonerated. Rule one compliance with values, rules, and general orders. General order, criminal process questioned in an individual. Again, both the panel and the department determined that this would be exonerated

[72:07] and rule 4. Respect for others referenced the game hangman the panel, and recommended that this would be exonerated, and the department also determined that it would be exonerated. and Officer 3 had rule, one compliance with values, rules, and general orders. General order 305. Field interviews pat down and consent searches detained an individual. Both the panel and the department determined that this would be an exonerated allegation. In addition, the panel recommended that the Boulder police department counsel Officer 2 and other officers to avoid referencing the game hangman because of society's current understanding of its racial connotations. The Boulder police department responded that the professional standards unit, counseled Officer 2 to avoid using the term hangman when communicating with the public, and that officer 2 was receptive to that counseling.

[73:11] Case MI. 2, 0, 2, 3, dash 0 1, 3 an individual visiting friends in an apartment complex called Police, regarding a physical altercation that took place between neighbors. The woman told officers that her upstairs. Neighbor had hit her with plastic flowers. Cutting her finger. the man said his downstairs neighbor pulled out the plastic flowers from his garden would not return them. They got into a tug of war, and the woman threatened him with and swung her cane at him. 4 individuals witnessed the incident. and one or more recorded it. While Officer one was speaking with the woman officers 2 and 3 did not ask for view or obtain the recordings. because, with the statements of independent witnesses. They felt they did not need it. The witnesses indicated that the woman was the aggressor. The man did not want to press charges, and the officers did not issue a summons or make an arrest.

[74:04] The woman filed a complaint and stated that she felt she had been the victim of fives, policing for the Allegations officer one had allied had a rule, one compliance with values, rules, and general orders. GO. 2, 0, 3. Investigative responsibility and case assignments did not conduct an adequate investigation. The Independent Police Monitor recommended the allegation be not sustained, and the Department also determined that the allegation was not sustained. Rule. One compliance with values, rules, and general orders. GO. 101 unbiased policing race. The Independent Police Monitor recommended the allegation. Be exonerated, and the Department determined that the allegation would be not sustained. Rule one. Compliance with values, rules, and general orders. GO. 3, 1, 6 did not make medical treatment available to an individual. Both the Independent police monitor and the Department determined the allegation to be unfounded.

[75:07] When Rule 4. Respect stated to an individual that it might be a good idea for her to move out of Boulder. and both the Independent Police Monitor and the Department determined that the allegation would be exonerated for Officer 2. Allegation rule, one. Compliance with values, rules, and general orders. GO. 203. Investigative responsibility in case assignments did not conduct an adequate investigation. and this allegation was recommended to be sustained with verbal counseling by the Independent Police Monitor, and the Department also determined that it should be sustained with verbal counseling and rule. One compliance with values, rules, and general orders. General Order one one unbiased policing race. Both the Independent Police Monitor and the Department determined that this allegation should be exonerated

[76:03] for officer. 3. Violation alleged was rule, one. Compliance with values, rules, and general orders. General order 203 investigative responsibility and case assignments did not conduct an adequate investigation that allegation was sustained and recommended verbal counseling by the Independent Police Monitor and the Department also determined that the allegation was sustained with verbal counseling and for allegation of rule. One compliance with values, rules, and general orders. General order 101 unbiased policing race! The Independent Police Monitor recommended, and the Department determined that the allegation would be exonerated. And finally, our last case, MI. 2023014 is summarized by a limited duty officer, one was assigned to handle a 9, 1 one call regarding an upstairs, downstairs, neighbor dispute

[77:06] officer, one called and recorded his conversation with the 9 1 one caller, who said that when she and her daughter descended from stairs from the third to the second floor. The second floor Resident yelled and cursed at her about noise and shoved the collar. The caller told Officer one that she immediately reported what happened to a first floor neighbor who also has issues with the second floor and resident officer. One said police would try to get in touch with both the second floor, resident and other neighbor instead. Officer. One who wrote the incident report assigned Officer 2 who was in training under Officer 3. Supervision to issue the second floor resident of Summons Officer 2 wrote and issued Resident 2. The complainant, a summons without any additional investigation. The allegation against Officer one is rule one. Compliance with values, rules and general orders. General order 4. 5. Investigative process did not conduct an adequate investigation.

[78:01] The Independent Police Monitor recommended that the allegation be sustained and advised on verbal counseling, and the Department also determined that the allegation should be sustained with verbal counseling. Former officer number 2 had an allegation that rule one. Compliance with values, rules, and general orders. GO. 4, 0 5. Investigative process did not conduct an adequate investigation. and both the Independent Police Monitor recommended, and the Department determined that that allegation should be not sustained. and Officer 3. Rule one. Compliance with values, rules, and general orders. General Order 4 or 5 investigative process did not conduct an adequate investigation. The Independent Police Monitor recommended, and the Department determined that that allegation should be not sustained. The Independent Police Monitor also recommended that the Boulder police Department council Officer 3 who has officers, 2 officer, two's PTO. Should have

[79:03] exerted himself to ensure his trainee was taking proper action. The police department agreed to have a supervisor discuss the incident with both officers, one and 3 for process improvement. The police legal advisor will also provide both officers training on legal standards for citations and arrests. and that is the end of the individual cases, and for the month of September case statistics are the number of complaints that the Independent Police Monitor classified was 3. Those were 3 misconduct classifications, 0 serious misconduct and 0 community inquiries. The Independent Police Monitor observed one interview and the Boulder Police Department investigations. That the Independent Police Monitor deemed throw-on complete were 2, and case investigations. That the Boulder Police Department closed were 5,

[80:03] and the open docket with the Independent Police Monitor is, as of September thirtieth, 2,023, and there are 13 cases that are open is so panelists with the review of cases just to remind you that these meetings are our opportunity. Excuse me. to offer any comments we have on the handling of the complaint, the fairness and thoroughness of an investigation, and the reasonableness of any adjudication related to any one of these cases, and so with that, I will open the floor. If anyone has any comments on those cases.

[81:01] Think Madeline is trying to unmute. Yeah. going back to. I think it was the case. O, 3 sherry the one where we talked about the hangman game. Okay? I'm curious as to whether the word lynching was used either in the counseling or in any portion, because unless they realized, I heard it say that there was a racial of issue I heard him say that that was said in the counseling. but we specifically wanted it understood that the racial reference was to lynching. And so I'm curious to know if, if, as to whether or not that was specifically clarified in the counseling

[82:00] to that person. I was not part of the conversation with the counseling for that for that officer. but that's something that I can see if the police department can answer that question. That would be awesome, I mean, otherwise. It's I'm not sure that the point is made, and we want the counselling to be 100%. Effective, so that the listener is receiving the total message. Otherwise he could, they could very well miss the point. So thank you for following up on that. Thanks, Madeline. Panelists. Any other comments? Okidoki. Them? So so back to Sherri, hey? Sherry? Yes. Feedback. The feedback question. Yeah. I think I was gonna do that right now. One of the

[83:06] my understanding is that when that this is what Joey Lapari did. So then that's what flow did. And now this is what I'm inheriting. but I when it comes to the the monitors reporting, I would really like to hear from from the panel. Not necessarily today. But I mean, if people have thoughts today, we can do that too. But to think about, you know, what information do you actually want to. you know, hear from the Monitor, and you know what is the the con, like, the content that you want to hear, but also the format, so that you can receive it in a way that is respectful of all of our times. Lizzy. hey, Sherry, I'm so glad you mentioned this. I was actually thinking this as you were going through like, hey? Maybe now is a good time to revisit it, you know, since, of course, you inherited this format. So I have thoughts all

[84:06] marinade a little bit, and maybe is, what's the best way just to to email you directly. Or how would you like that follow up feedback. Sure. Sure. That seems. That seems an appropriate way to individual for one individual to email me directly. I mean to E, each each of you individually. Email me? But yeah, I you know. there's no reason that we have to do things just because that's the way that they've always been done. I really appreciate the question. Sherry and yes, and I look forward to sending some feedback. Your way to you guys think it's necessary to read all of the general orders other than just what the actual allegation or the complaint is. Instead of saying, it's general order 305. It's the. It's an allegation of

[85:00] no inadequate investigation or on bias policing, just to kind of save a little bit of time in terms of the actual presentation. Yeah, it's really good question, Sterling, and it's kind of a it's a it's a it's back to the ordinance. So the the challenge here is that this meeting is the only designated reporting time for the panel and so that means for someone who who is visually impaired. We need to read out the full report for their under S, for their understanding and and communication. And and since you know, the amendment we passed in January wasn't carried over into the new ordinance changes where we really are narrowed into these meetings being the one opportunity where the panel can report out and discuss these cases. And so that's why that's why we do that, despite, you know, for those of us who are not visually impaired. I know that can. That can take some time. but yeah, there, yeah, that's the reason behind it. We are exploring some other options of how to do like a dashboard. of of how to report cases through a dashboard through the monitors. Authority is under regular reporting but then that. But that's something that we don't have in effect just now. So for now it's all we have is the video and these public meetings. And so it's important that we read it out for folks.

[86:28] But I am happy to hear people's suggestions. part of part of the reason. Well, that I was want that I'm asking you. This question is because also there are some updates and movement with the Independent Monitors office that I think you are interested in or would be interested in. So. But they they don't really fit within that report. So I'm just gonna share them with the group. But these are the types of things that I'm I'm interested in, whether you want to hear about these type of initiatives in the in the future. So

[87:10] one thing that I also did that is, I attended the Department's first Force review panel meeting. A, which the the the department's building out. There's there trying to see what other jurisdictions are doing. And and it was, I think I think it was a very fruitful endeavor. It's obviously going to evolve as the department tries to understand where it can get its best value from from these sports reviews. So what it is is, it's looking really at an incident in its totality. So it's not. It's it's not looking at it necessarily to be like punitive towards the officers, but to look to see if there are improvements in in tactics and procedures and policy that they can learn from from that incident.

[88:03] So the there were many members of boulders, brass, including their training officer or training sergeant who were there to really under, you know. Look at this and discuss together, you know, from the moment a 9. 1 one call came in until the end was was the behavior of the department. Appropriate, and as best it could be. And so that's something that you know the department is pretty excited about moving forward with, and I was really pleased that while sitting in on that meeting I wasn't just at the table, but they were at the a lot of the a lot of the members were asking me for my opinion, as they acknowledge that I've been involved with more serious police incidents than they than they have the investigation of. So it was. It was really a a great experience to not just be there. But to actually feel like I really was at the table. Also.

[89:07] 2 cases recently were considered for referral to again, very new, but a a mediation alternative res dispute, type of outcome. So the myself and the the Psu boulder police department, we, you know, talked about it and agreed that if the parties are interested in that, that's the way that we we would try to facilitate proceeding for for 2 complaints. So that is a I think it's a that's something that was on my mind for much farther down the road. But you know we had 2 cases come in that that seemed to fit from my experience. Running the mediation pilot program in Chicago seemed to seem to to fit the sort of fact patterns that would be amenable to to mediation or some other alternative dispute, so that maybe leapfrogged a little bit forward from when I thought that we'd actually be able to have some movement on it.

[90:10] But also related to the conversation about these independent police Monitor reports, is, we are looking at doing some website updates for the entire police oversight system. One thing that I would like to do is to have more reporting out. And you know, having being able some time to have some sort of of dashboard, so that the public doesn't have to go through a, you know, 2 h long video to try to get information. But instead, can can track cases and the work that we're we're doing so we're I'm starting to do that. I think a lot of it is going to be some updates that are going to be done in the relative future. And then, but with the idea of having some capacity for building out some, some better reporting out functions. But the reason I'm letting you get like letting all of you know, is because there's also, you know, there's the the Independent Monitors side of the website. But then there's also the police oversight panels side of the website. So

[91:15] Daniel, at the co-chairs meeting suggested that that would be the communications subcommittee. So though, that's that's something that I'm going to want to know, like how involved the panel wants to be because II don't want to make decisions about how you know your side of the website should look unless you basically say, just do it. So that's going to be something that the the Communications Subcommittee apparently is going to when when everyone gets back to work, have some some work to do pretty quickly. But I wanted to let you all know about that. so I don't know if this type of like outside of that, you know. Report on cases is if this is information that your group wants to to hear about, or if there are other things that you want to hear about but I'm definitely open towards trying to add thing, add more thing, more information into the report, or just sort of informally present

[92:19] to the group. The way that I just did. I'm all for anything you have that you feel would be important for us for the public to know I'm all for it, and I think it would be helpful and or useful to also include it in the visual report as well for folks to help to help with engagement. And of course we get that in advance of panelists. So that's helpful. But yeah, I mean my, I know I already said this on Friday, but none of the public were here. So panel and public I my opinion is, if you have, if the Monitor has something, if they want to report to us. I'm all for it. 100%.

[93:10] Milan. Yeah, I'm also you mentioned the website and how it's, I think that's really important for us to participate, especially maybe I don't want to volunteer my friends on the Communication and Engagement committee. But I think it's important for us to have a saying that and and a look at it, and make sure that it's very it talks to everybody in our community. So yeah. I would. I would love to be involved in that. and then you'll be getting the invite for the communications meetings along with all members of the panel. You? Yeah.

[94:05] I just say it's refreshing to hear that we're always not gonna do things the way we used to. So it's good to have someone in that seat. It's almost been like a year. So yeah, I think I mean, I think flow did exactly what she was supposed to do, which is like, keep the train on the tracks. But I as a as a person who's in the permanent position, you know I have more leeway, I think, to to make changes. You get to lay the track. Now. then, at birth. Okay. Any other final thoughts, questions, concerns for the Monitor folks. Thank you. Sherry moving right along panelists. We have 2 last minute items we we wanted to add to the agenda. The first one is I will not be able to make next week's the November next week. Next month's November eighth meeting. I have a work commitment. And so what we did wanna put out a request for so Adasa will be leading that meeting, but wondered if any if there were any other panelists, and you can raise your hand now or email

[95:19] afterwards. But to volunteer to Co run the meeting and also wanted to put out a call there as a reminder our terms, Andasa and my terms end in February. And so that means 2 of you will need to step up to be the new co-chairs of the panel. So this is a great opportunity to dip your toes in that. If you're interested. Padasa, any anything from you. Just yeah. Let me know if anybody you know, if you're if you think you might be interested in Co chair, this is a great opportunity to kinda dip your toes in and see if you like hosting the meeting.

[96:00] but yeah, just reach out amino meet. And you know. boom Milan. your suspenseful question from the top of the meeting. Yeah, I'm sorry. It might be something that I missed somewhere along the way, but during the last meeting I you mentioned, Daniel, that you and I had this. I had regular meetings with Fara, which I guess we were invited to, and I had no idea those meetings were so. They were not advertised, or in the schedule, and all that. So I had no idea, though those meetings were happening, and so I'm wondering if there is a place where I could find the notes. Or the minutes on that other recordings. Ii don't know. So I'm just I was just a little puzzled by that. I'm not sure I'm the only one like in this case. But but yeah, so I wanted to have more information about that. Yeah, those are the co-chair meetings so far far has been coming to the Co. Chair meetings that you are invited to and are posted for the public to attend. So those are all posted in advance on the city website. You should be on the invitation, but those are also the we've been extending that invitation at our meetings as well. The Co. Chair meetings are open to anyone

[97:24] to attend, and those are the ones that Farah has been sitting on as as we do the administrative work, and as we've done in the past dais, and I also make a point to always bring those anything we does discuss with those meetings back to these meetings. Generally speaking, it's setting the agenda for these meetings or the big questions, or bringing forward any questions you all have for city staff. But again, yeah, all of our co-chair meetings are open for y'all like our committee meetings. They're not record. Excuse me, they're not recorded but yet they're open public meetings, you know. I know Lynn was at our last one. And they're posted the website, and you should be getting those invitations through your calendar. If not, Selina is here, but I'm not all the way since March I have never received them.

[98:15] and was not aware that we were invited, so I appreciate being invited to them now? And are there notes that we can refer to, or anything like that for that? Or we don't have notes beyond the agendas we set the agendas, and then we report out anything that we discuss at those meetings at these meetings. We could start. Yeah, we could. I mean, if it's if it would be helpful. We could start keeping those notes for you as well. Yeah, I mean, III don't know just I'm not always available to go to all the meetings so would appreciate like a quick summary, or maybe a quick summary during the next meeting would be just fine, even if it. Say, we just set up the agenda or but yeah. So I guess, looking on the website, I was not aware that I needed to do that as as a as a member of the panel, that I thought that

[99:06] you know all the information that I needed were put in the schedule. But I appreciate the clarification, Daniel. And thank you so much. I'll pay more attention to the website, I guess. Well, we can just make sure that that everyone gets the the invites to. I think we're getting it. We're getting them now that are on on board. It was just prior to that that I was not aware of it. Okay. thank you. Yeah. I appreciate it now. Thanks. Any other final thoughts, questions, concerns before we open it to public comment. The means give me just a second.

[100:05] the timer and the notes. Okay, public comment. so every member of the public will be asked if they'd like to comment, and unmuted to answer public will get 2 unimpeded minutes to comment. If there's an interruption or loss of connection, we will stop the clock to make sure you get your full 2 min. The Co. Chair meet. We'll give a verbal notice of a of time at 20 s to the end of your 2 min, and we will ask the city facilitator. That'll be selena to mute you after 2 min. It's nothing personal. We just like to keep. We just like to keep it fair for everyone and panelists, just as a reminder you can offer short responses at the end of a comment, and the co-chairs will pause after each comments to make sure you can get that in. Sorry someone just messaged me.

[101:03] Oh, yes, I do have the stopwatch. Sorry I was. Just wait in a second. Can you all see that stopwatch? Okay. cool, yes, perfect. Cause that didn't work earlier. So we'll talk. Start with the top of my list. we'll start with John Herrick. John will allow you to talk, and you can unmute yourself. Would you like to give public comment this evening? Hey? All? No, thanks. I'm just tuning in. Thanks, John, and thank you for being here next up. We have sorry Amber, Elise Carl Carlson. Will allow you to talk Amber. You should be able to unmute. Would you like to give comment this evening.

[102:03] Hi, Daniel, thank you. I am just listening as well. Some thanks, so much, amber. And finally, Lynn, you will be allowed to talk you'll be able to unmute Lynn. Would you like to give comment? Yeah, I was pretty upset. Because I was at the municipal lobby to find out when my appointment with Nuria was one or 2 PM. On the fourteenth of September. As it turned out, my appointment had been lost. But I tried by phone. I tried by email. I wasn't able to get the only way to find out when my appointment was was go down, and by going down there. An employee picked up my computer bag with $360 in it. It disappeared. This was 27 days ago, and my life's been completely upended since then. I can't trust the city at all. I know it was a a city employee.

[103:08] They apparently. I found out yesterday that it was because that they picked up my bag because they thought it was their supervisor's bag, and then it disappeared. and they were not prosecuted. And I'm just furious. Also I have 2 complaints into the police officers who took my case. Report. Naria called it in, because afterwards the security alarm tripped. It was a mistaken trip, but we all had to evacuate. That's when I found my bag was gone. I was only there for like a half an hour, and someone came and picked it up. There was no one in the room. It's unbelievable that something like this could happen it. It's like my computer bag beamed up. And I've not been allowed to see the video.

[104:03] Yeah. Well, see, 3 min is not enough. I'm I'm completely upset with the police with the whole system. I think there needs to be major reform, I you know, and in 2 min I can do nothing about it. So I'm helpless. but I can tell you this. II you know II see where. Thank you so much, Lynn, for your your comments you can also, if you'd like to send us more comments through our email. Sorry. Let me pull that up really quick for you. You can also for send us the panel any additional comments you have to our email address. which is police oversight panel at Boulder, Colorado, Gov. And I'm sorry the loss of your bag as well. panelists any other comments? We need a public comment. Go, beans any other final thoughts. Before we close out this meeting

[105:05] I look forward to seeing you all next Thursday, if you can make it, if you can't make it no worries. I know it's a big, it's a big time commitment, and we all have very busy lives. Thank you very much for being here this evening, and we'll see you all soon. Have a good one.