September 13, 2023 — Police Oversight Panel Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:04] Y'all sorry about that. Got locked out of all my city accounts, so it's trying to get secondary authentication to work. Give me just a second. Here. there we go. Okay. jumping right? And thanks everyone for being here. I think I do. Let me double check. We have quorum 1, 2, 3, 4,

[1:03] 5, 6 good cool beans. In that case, welcome, everyone, and I see we have at least one member of the public with us this evening. and we'll just kick off first by with a reading of our land acknowledgement we acknowledge the Arapaho Ute and Cheyenne tribes. The traditional custodians of the land on which the police oversight panel and the Polder police department operate, and we pay our respects to their elders, past and present. And so I want to checking in really quick. Who on city side will monitor the Q. And A. This evening Amy Kane used to do that for us. I can do it, Daniel. Thanks. Thanks. So much so. For any members of the public. if you have questions, you can drop us in the QA. Of course we will have

[2:04] public comment at the end of tonight's meeting, as we always do. And as a reminder for panelists. If you have any comments, please make sure to share those verbally through the meeting. We only wanna use the chat if you need to do a one on one communication with me or someone else in the room. That's fine, but no group con communications in the chat of the meeting and then we will rely on our city staff to help support any brief comments or questions that may come in through the QA while, of course, referring any bigger questions or comments to the public comment at the end of this meeting. And so I'd like to remind members of the community that they can learn more about police oversight. And this panel at our at our website, which is Boulder Colorado, Gov. Forward. Slash services forward. Slash, police hyphen oversight. You can also reach the panel through our general panel email police oversight panel at Boulder, Colorado. Gov, that email address is monitored by myself and our other Co. Chair, Hadasa, and any communications that come to the 2 of us through that email we share with the full panel unless, of course, it's it's spam or something we can quickly answer on our own. But we do forward those on to the panel generally.

[3:27] I will read through this evening's agenda and panelists just buckle in. We are back to fall meetings so this will be another long meeting and for those of you who haven't had a long meeting with us yet, we will take a break at least every hour so we'll have a break at at 7 30. So we can have a little time to be humans, grab snacks and do what we need to do to come back and and pay full attention so for this, tonight's evening for tonight's meeting, September thirteenth, 2023,

[4:01] we'll start with an approval of the August ninth meeting minutes, and then we're going to introduce our new monitor, Sherri. and we'll actually go around panelists. That'll be a good opportunity for us to introduce ourselves to Sheri and again to the public. It's always good to to reintroduce ourselves to the public every once in a while. So just be thinking through a you know, a brief introduction of who you are. What brings you to police oversight? And cause we'll go do a little round robin there. Then we'll do. Go through the Pan committees and just see if there are any updates from any of the committee members. We will get a the independent police monitors report. and then the big agenda item for this evening we'll be getting our update from the consultant on the police oversight ordinance discussion. We'll have a discussion and a QA. Related to that. And fair is gonna go through the timeline give it a presentation on the ordinance changes, and then give us an update on next steps in that process. And then after that, we will turn it over to public comment.

[5:04] and I'm gonna pause there for just a second to check panelists. If there's anything you would like to add to the agenda for this evening, and if something comes up, feel free to chat me as well. But with that we will go ahead and move through the agenda. I did want to add something. just something about the selection or the trying to get alternates for alternates. Thank you. Yeah. And actually, yeah, let me make a note to myself. I'll give a victor. I'll give a brief update on that during the committee updates. because we have talked about that. I'm just making sure I don't forget. There we go. Okay, cool. In that case, panelists, any questions or additions to the meeting minutes from our august meeting. Just give us a second.

[6:03] Well, means, can I get a motion to approve those minutes? Anyone thanks a motion to approve? Could I get a second on that? Thanks, Chico, I see it. And Jason, if I could get you on camera, it's important that we're on camera when we take a vote on anything just to to make clear we are who we are. Thanks so much, Jason. A quick show of hands. Then all in favor of approving the minutes. Thank you very much, approved Boom! Boom! And with that I'm gonna hand it over to Sherri to intro I well, I'll I'll just actually go ahead and kick it off. I wanna welcome sherry to the police oversight panel as independent monitor under our current ordinance sherry as independent monitor is a non voting member of this panel. Much like Sterling is as well and so I wanna welcome sherry and of course, it was a rigorous

[7:09] application process. We went through it twice, just to make sure we got it right right. But and for those of you who who didn't know. Adas and I did serve on a community panel along with Teresa from the Oir group and with Taisha, a previous member of the panel. We were part of the community. the community group that interviewed the candidates, interviewed sherry spent the day in boulder with us, interviewing with all sorts of people in our community before the final appointment. And so with that, I'll hand it over to Sherry to introduce herself to all of you. Thank you, Daniel. I'm glad you brought up those memories. Now. good evening, everyone. I'm really excited and and honored to be here. you know. You all know the same thing. But the the job posting went up in May, so it feels like it's been a very long time from when I saw this job posting in early May to actually, you know, being here in front of you. And in the meantime I've sort of been stalking you and watching y'all on on camera.

[8:18] So for those of you don't know. I'm coming from from Chicago, where I spent 15 years at Copa, which is the civilian office of police accountability. And before that it's Predecessor Agency, was Ipra, the Independent Police Review authority. I started as an investigator. I worked on a lot of domestic violence cases. And that is an an entire unit. Devoted to investigating domestic violence and child abuse and elder abuse allegations against Chicago police officers. and I worked as an investigator, and then was promoted to Supervisor, which I did for Over 10 years.

[9:01] and most recently was the director of investigations of our intake unit, which processes over 5,000 complaints of police misconduct annually. And in the meantime I've been on call as a investigator, supervisor, and director, which we respond on scene to officer involved shootings and officer involved fatalities, and I've probably been involved with. I'm estimating over a hundred of those in the course of my my career. I've been through lead homicide training, which is what detectives undergo. I've been through that 3 times, and so I have. I have an extensive investigation background. When it comes to police misconduct. It's like the bread and butter of my of my career. And and I've handled all types of misconduct allegations. The office from involve shootings, domestic violence, use of force, and fourth amendment and bias based verbal abuse.

[10:03] and it's just what I've lived and breathed for, you know, the last 15 years, and and now I've flipped it all upside down, and I've come to Boulder. And now I'm like a baby trying to learn everything from scratch because of different State statutes and city ordinances and rules and regulations. So I've just been really trying in these last few weeks since I've been here trying to learn the the policies and the processes and the people. And every day goes by very quickly. And it's it's it's pretty taxing, actually, but very exciting to be here, and it's really just strange to to go from knowing so much and to coming here and realizing I barely even know what I need to know. And then, at the end of the day II ride my bike home, and almost every day has been a new route, because I still don't know where I'm going, and I get lost. Some of the twists and turns of the paths. So it's been very humbling in a lot of in a lot of ways. But I'm very much looking forward to, you know, getting to know each of you. Both individually and as a group. And

[11:19] we have a lot of activities coming up in the next couple of weeks, where, hopefully, I'll get an opportunity to get get to know more of you personally. And just thank you. In advance, for for your your patience and grace, as I bring myself up to speed in in this new role. Speaking about bringing herself up to speed also. there is. Amy Mcmahon does not just look different. It is. I'd like to introduce Selina. She is on her second week working for the city of Boulder, and she's gonna be helping out both myself and the panel. Doing all of that very important behind the scenes admin work, and so I'd like I'd like to introduce Selena right now.

[12:07] Everyone nice to meet all of you and see finally a name to a place so like Sherry said, I hope to meet all of you soon, since we have some upcoming events going on, so I hope to meet everyone. And yeah, I just wanna thank everyone for the patience. As Sherry said, this is all new to the both of us. So thank you for all your patience. And yeah, I'm I'm excited to help you and everyone of you and sherry. So thank you. Thanks, Selina. Thanks. Sherry. So yeah, panelists. I'll I'll kick us off introducing ourselves. Course, Sherry we've already met. I'm I'm Daniel Leonard. I work for the University of Colorado boulder and I've been on the panel for 3 years now. My, my term is up in February, and I've been the co-chair for over a year now, along with. Adasa is our current Co. Chair as well, and she's on away on a very well deserved

[13:08] vacation this week. So we're giving her plenty of space as well. And with that I will hand it over to Chico on my left, there to introduce himself. Well, I've been on the panel. I started out as an alternate, so came on board fully for. and I help pay taxes for Newman technologies. A. B. Do you wanna go next. AB: Hi, I'm A. B. I'm new to the panel this year. I'm a life coach in Boulder, Colorado. AB: and a ceramicist. Milan. Do you want to go next.

[14:03] Hey, everyone! My name is Milan. I used to pronounce I am a newish member, not as new as Ab, but certainly newer. And Daniel they've been here since the beginning of this year, and I am a English to French translator and also a core member of boulder shirt surge showing up for racial justice. And in this in this panel I'm also involved with the Community engagement Committee. Victor, do you want to go next? Hello! Nice to meet you. nice to see you again. Sherry my name is Richard King. My pronouns are he him his I'm also a founding member of the police oversight panel and the co-chair of the Communications Committee. I'm also involved in the boulder.

[15:01] Homeless shelter. And I currently work for mental health partners as a statewide recovery coach manager. and I'll pass it off to solid unmuting. It's always hard, so sorry. Hi, everyone. My name is. I live in boulder the switching jobs from the new public policy director for virus for Colorado, the domestic violence coalition for the State. I'm also board member for downtown boulder. I have 2 kids going up to you to see you, one in 5 years of super involved with the community. And yeah, I'm a as new at Milan, I was going to say old, but not new as Milan, and we're also in the community engagement

[16:05] committee and part of the work group that work in the ordinance for the past 100 million weeks. So so glad it's sold. Lizzie. Do you want to go next. Yes, thank you. Hi, sherry so nice to meet you. I'm busy friends. I use sheer pronouns. I'm also a brand new baby on the panel. Avi and I came in together just a couple months ago. I think this is meeting 3, maybe so getting used to the swing of things. But very excited about the work that the panel has been doing here, and and excited to continue that in my my day job I work for the city and county of Denver. Managing a section of the Department of Public Health and Environment. Nice to meet you. Jason, would you like to go next.

[17:04] Sure. Thank you. My name is Jason Sable. I use hee! Hee! Am a lawyer in town. I started as a public defender many years ago, and did that kind of work for close to 15 years. I still do criminal defense. I also do other things and have practiced in boulder for about 20 years. and I live in in the area. And I am happily surprised at how much I've learned from the folks since January when I started getting involved here. Thank you. Thanks, Jason Sterling. Would you like to go next? Hello! My name is Sterling Equo. I'm a detective sergeant, the Boulder police department. I've been with the police department here for 20 years.

[18:04] Thanks, Sterling and so I know fair is gonna be introducing herself for most of our meetings so we can hold there flow, Michael. I wondered if if you'd I know you've worked pretty closely with Sherry, but if you're there if you just wanted to say hello and a quick introduction. Since we do have 2 members of the public on tonight. Mike, you want to go first. Okay, I'm Florence Finkel. I, on behalf of the Oir group. I've been the lead person serving as boulders. Interim. Ser. I served as boulders interim independent police monitor from the end of for about 11 months. And just so the panelists know I've we've been working closely with sherry and reviewing the complaint process reviewing the docket. We oh, ir group or you know, I am gonna retain responsibility for some of the cases and process because it doesn't make sense for Sherri to spend her time catching up, and we are hoping that that is completed by the end of the month. There's 2 more case reviews that are already scheduled, that I'm gonna facilitate. One is tomorrow night. One is next week and Sherry will be present

[19:26] to learn how that process works, and it's again been a pleasure to work with you and learn about Boulder. and just to tag behind Flo Michael Chinako, I'm part of the interim monitoring team. And it's been a a great experience working with you all. And really, I look forward to of transitioning over to sherry and making sure that this is as seamless as possible, so good to see all and to reiterate something what Flo it said about case reviews and so for any members of the public. The the panel is currently on

[20:06] a temporary moratorium, on new business, unrelated to the ordinance. And so what flows referring to, though there is to case reviews the panel had already committed to before that moratorium. We've not been taking on new case reviews as we sort out the the legal challenges and gaps in the ordinance that were were challenging to that work, and we needed to fix those before we resumed case reviews. And so later in this meeting, we'll be getting an update from Farrah. Our our consultant on the ordnance updates. And the hope is, you know, our moratorium ends in October. As approved by city Council. And so our hope is is to have the ordinance in place by then to smoothly both transition sherry in, but also transition the panel back on to a full panel business full panel work. And so we are preparing for that now, and to reiterate what Selena and Sherry had said, we are looking for an opportunity, panelists for us actually

[21:02] to meet as human beings, to put bodies to the the blocks and and hopefully, that'll be coming up soon but also trying to figure out how we can also begin doing hybrid meetings as well, so that we can be meeting in person for these meetings, while also maintaining an option to connect virtually either as members of the public or ourselves. We wanna maintain that accessibility while also bringing a little bit more of a human element back to our work. We've been since the start of this panel we've been exclusively having these meetings virtually because of Covid and and and all the things. So I really look forward to that as well. In regards to the transition, this is a lot. It's it's a big transition. So I really do would appreciate everyone's attentiveness. To our inboxes, and you know, and just keeping an eye on things, how things are going. And if that something seems off, or if seems like I'm dropping the ball, or if somewhere, you know, there's a gap we're forgetting. We need to cover. Please don't hesitate to reach out and let us know.

[22:03] You know it's gonna take a village for us to get over the finish line with both the ordinance and bringing on our new monitor. So please don't hesitate to reach out there. There are no silly questions, and and I to the to those of you who introduce yourselves as as babies on the panel. I don't believe it. You're all brilliant and amazing as I've already experienced, so please truly do not hesitate to jump in you know, if you see something that we could be doing better, just let us know it's now's the time to to get back to work. So with that. why don't we do a quick on panel committee updates? And so, Victor, to your oops, let me bring up my notes. To your question. So yes. February is when some of our terms of existing panel members are up. And so we are down to one alternate panelist who was appointed by city council, who could fill one of our seats. Should we complete? Or our term? Or you know, as as has happened, life happens, you know. sometimes you just have to step back

[23:14] from the work. And so we, the the challenging part, is where we have a new ordinance in the works, which also includes some changes to how the The process goes for appointing new panelists. And so we've started in our co chair meetings which I wanna reiterate those co-chair meetings. You all get invitations to those. Should you ever wanna just drop in on those you are. You are always welcome in those meetings. But you're also not required to be at them. So anytime anything happens at those meetings, Daisa and I will bring that information back to you all. And so in those meetings we started having that conversation of needing to prepare a a recruitment cycle. So we are. Time is up for us to begin recruiting again. And to begin selecting new panelists. And so that's gonna be dependent on what the new ordinance is.

[24:04] I'll also recognizing that it's it's a long process, right? So it took us 4 months last time. And February is right around the corner and so it's we're trying to thread that needle. So hopefully, the ordinance changes are gonna go through smoothly. We're gonna be able to launch that recruitment and selection process and and as we recall the last go around, it was it was a heart. It was a really challenging selection process. And so we learned a lot from that from our community, from ourselves, from those in power. Who who make the decision. The final decision on who of us will serve on this panel and so I wanna make sure that we are giving it the time the thought to to really do it thoroughly and do it well. To to make sure it's smooth for all remaining panelists. Come February, we don't end up in that that situation we were in last time, which was the possibility of losing a quorum on the panel's business, so so that acknowledged

[25:01] we are. We are working on it. Fingers crossed. The ordinance is going to go through easy. But one way or another. Yeah, we're gonna have to get new alternates and new panelists on board before February. Any questions now about that process questions or concerns. I mean, we all just half the panel just went through it. Right? So yeah, cool, great. And if you have any questions afterwards, feel free, of course, to reach out anytime, give me a call. Shoot me an email. Happy, happy to talk more. With that I'll go ahead. Adas and I are the remaining members of governance. So I will repeat our. our, our, our our record. If anyone would like to join the Governance Committee, we'd we'd really appreciate that part of that is because neither of us we are actually drafting on our bylaws that as co-chairs, neither of us can actually chair the Governance Committee. We don't wanna concentrate power like that. So we are looking for a chair of governance. If you are interested in rules and and the like, it would be great to bring you on board

[26:04] our work really is gonna kick off tonight. After this presentation, because we need to now, revisit the bylaws in relation to the new ordinance and the changes to the ordinance and we had several amendments that were already in the work addressing some of the challenges we were facing. As a panel, and so we need to get those worked up. And so the hope is, you know, as soon after as possible with the new ordinance we will be bringing to you all, amended Bylaws, to review, give feedback on, and then approve and there's some pretty substantial things in there that we'll we'll want to address. So if you wanna join in on the fun shoot me or adopt an email and we'll get you in but one way or another, we'll get the we'll get that work flowing as well. So that's governance. Any questions, comments, concerns about governance beans, chico, any updates legacy.

[27:00] We we just waiting on the new ordinance, and for now just figure backing on the community management whatever is going on there. Oh, tug along with them and for anyone just those that are interested, I think. When the new ordinance comes in place or is in place it's it's a good opportunity to join the legacy committee. Thank you. Chico. Victor updates on community outreach and engagement. I'll let Farick give those updates she's done all that. So and really appreciate all our hard work. awesome thanks. and just double checking panelists. Everyone has found a committee to serve on correct. Is anyone still searching for their committee? Is there anyone that I can come after hard to join? Governance is really what I'm asking.

[28:03] Great, all right, we've all found our passions. That's good cool beans. Thanks. Y'all and of course you can serve on multiple commissions if you're interested. Cool beings moving right along. Then I'm gonna hand it over. Am I handing it over to you, Sheri, or you Flo for our monitor? And I'm going to. You're handing it over to me. I'm going to do the presentation. But if there are any questions they pretty much need to go to flow, because she's the one who's done all the work on these cases. So I will work on sharing my screen. So just bear with me a moment. Are people able to see this? All right. Okay. okay.

[29:00] so this is the September 2,023 Boulder police oversight panel meeting. Independent police monitors report. In August there were 5 full case reviews completed. and there was for full case file reviews completed and pending boulder police department disposition. That's one cases awaiting panel review is 4. 2 of those are scheduled for this week and next week, and 2 are pending the completion of the police department's investigation. Okay? Jumping in. for serious misconduct investigation. SM. 2, 0, 2, 2 0 0 7, 2 individuals called 9, 1, one. Regarding an intoxicated man harassing people in front of a 7 11 in liquor store officer. One drove past the man who chased after officer one's patrol car

[30:00] when officer. One parked. The man had removed his shirt and confronted the officer, yelling at him. officer one drew and aimed his taser at the man and asked the man to relax and sit down and warn the man that if the man stepped toward Officer one officer, one would fire his taser at the man. The man took a step towards Officer one and Officer one fired his taser at the man. The projectile struck the man, but was ineffective. Officer. One fired a second round, and the man fell to the ground. Back of officers, handcuffed the man. The man filed a complaint, and in addition to complaining about the arrest in use of force, complained that officers did not explain the reason for the arrest, the accuracy of the incident report, and did not provide him with Miranda warnings. The allegations that were served were officer one who is no longer a boulder, police department employee, rule, one compliance with values, rules and general orders. Customer service value did not provide explanation for stop and subsequent arrest. The panel recommendation was exonerated, and the department determinate. Final determination was also exonerated.

[31:07] another allegation is rule 6. Use of force. General order 2, 2, 5, and that allegation. The panel exonerated with a 2 to one vote and the department recommendation or the Re. The Department also exonerated the allegation. Rule one. Allegation, compliance with values, rules, and general orders. General order, 200 discretion, arrest standards and Enforcement action arrests without probable cause. The panel exonerated that again with a 2 to one vote, and the department determination was exonerated. Rule one. Allegation, compliance with values, rules, and general orders. GO. 2, 40 in car cameras, body worn cameras and personal recording devices turned off body worn camera for conversation with Officer 2. The panel recommended that that allegation be sustained.

[32:07] and the Department determined that it was not sustained for rule number one. Allegation for Officer one. It was compliance with values, rules, general orders. General order 2, 0, one. Report writing did not prepare an accurate incident. Report. The panel not sustained that allegation 2 to one, and the department also not sustained it. For officer 2. An allegation of was a violation of rule. One compliance with values, rules, and general orders. Customer service value did not provide explanation for arrest. the panel exonerated and the Department also determined. It was exonerated for the rule. One allegation, compliance with values, rules, and general orders. GO. 2, 40 in car cameras, body worn cameras and personal recording devices muted an angled body worn camera for conversation with

[33:08] Officer one that the panel recommended a sustained finding, and the department determined that it was not sustained for the allegation of violation of rule. One compliance with values, rules, and general orders. GO. 405. Investigative process did not provide Miranda warnings. The panel's recommendation was exonerated, and the department determination was also exonerated. For Officer 3. The single allegation was rule. One compliance with values, rules, and general orders go. Investigative process did not provide Miranda warnings. The panel exonerated that allegation, and that the department determination was also exonerated. In addition, the the the panel recommended that because Officer one may have avoided using his taser, had he more effectively communicated with the man and used additional de-escalate de-escalation tactics.

[34:06] The Boulder police department should revisit its customer service and de-escalation trainings to improve officers, interactions with individuals, especially those whom they perceive to be intoxicated on drugs, and or appear to be having a mental health episode. In response to that recommendation. The Boulder Police Department said that it will conduct a tactical review of the incident which will include a refresher on body, worn camera policy in integrating communications, assessments and tactics. Moving on to the next serious misconduct investigation. SM. 2023, dash 0 0 2. A boulder police trainee did not attend an afternoon class when the Adams County Police Academy Slash Flat Irons Regional Training Center staff investigated and interviewed the police trainee. One he twice lied. First, he said he was ill, and attended the class, except for having to use the bathroom twice, and going to his truck to get nausea medication. When pressed, he said he stayed in his truck for 45 min during the afternoon, because he did not feel well.

[35:16] After leaving this interview. He returned 15 min later and told the staff that he did, in fact, go to his truck that afternoon, and stayed in his truck all afternoon, except when he had to use the bathroom. He could not explain why he didn't tell the truth earlier during the interview. He also admitted that he had, as rumored, watched Youtube and other website videos in class in violation of Academy rules, and was watching videos in the bathroom. When he had been assigned to cleaning chores. the Academy dismissed the trainee from the Academy. The trainee resigned from the Boulder police department. Several weeks later the allegations served against this former police trainee were Rule rule 3. Truthfulness did not provide truthful information to Adams County Police Academy, Slash Flat Iron Regional Training Center Staff

[36:04] Rule 8 Conduct did not provide truthful information to an Adams County Police Academy. Flattering regional training Center Staff Rule 8 Conduct did not attend class. On the afternoon of April third, 2,023, Rule 8, conduct watched, non class related videos during classes. Rule 8, conduct watch videos on his cellular telephone when he was tasked to conduct Chi cleaning chores. The Independent Monitor recommended for all of these allegations. A sustained do not Rehire and the department determination for all of these allegations was also sustained. Do not rehire for misconduct allegation. Mi. 2, 0, 2, 3, 0 0 7 according to the complainant who provided a license plate to the Boulder police department, an off duty officer over the course of years, violated traffic regulations and route to work at the Boulder police department. In his interview the officer, who was a sergeant, admitted to violating various traffic laws, and said that he had started strictly complying with all traffic regulations since the complaint was filed.

[37:18] On February 17, 2,023, the allegation against Officer one was rule, 2. Conformance with laws, traffic regulations. The panel recommended that the allegation be sustained and that supervisory counseling he applied, and the department determination was also sustained supervisory counseling. in addition the panel expressed concern that by repeatedly and knowingly violating traffic regulations officer one set a bad example for the officers who he whom he is responsible for training and managing the panel, recommended that a deputy chief or the chief conduct, the supervisory counseling, and the police department reported that the chief herself met with the officer.

[38:07] Misconduct investigation. Mi. 2023, dash 0 0 9. Summarized as a woman called 9, 1 one at 6 13 PM. To report that she found 2 children, ages 3 and one years old, alone on the sidewalk. The one year old, was naked. It was approximately 31 degrees, and the caller took the children to a nearby 7, 11, where the staff gave the one year old a shirt officers. One through 3, responded Officer 2 held the 3 year old's hand and walked with the child to his home. About a block away. The 3 year old, opened the door, and officers 2 and one followed him inside. The mother emerged from the back room. She was unaware that her children had left officer. 2 got a pair of pants for the one year old and walked to get him. The mother asked Officer one whether she could go get the one year old, officer. One said, No. Officer 2 was coming back. Officer 2 returned with the one year old, and officer 3

[39:02] officer, one issued the mother, a summons for child abuse, and in explaining why the police needed to document the encounter officer, one commented on the state of the apartment. The mother objected to the officers entering her home, and said, Officer, one treated her disrespectfully by commenting on the state of the apartment and officer. One did not allow her to leave her apartment. Allegations served against Officer one were rule one. Compliance with values, rules, and general orders. GO. 1, 30 criminal process entered an individual's Home and Rule. Rule. 4. Respect for others commented on the state of an individual's apartment. Rule 5. Police authority and public trust detained an individual. The panel recommended exonerated findings for all 3 allegations, and the Department also determined that all 3 of these allegations, of Officer one were exonerated. Officer 2 received an allegation of rule, one compliance with values, rules, and general orders go. 1 30 criminal process entered an individual's home.

[40:08] Again the panel recommended, exonerated for this allegation and exonerated was the Department's final determination. Also. Officer 3. Received an allegation rule. One compliance with values, rules, and general orders go. 130 criminal process entered an individual's home. And this was recommended as exonerated by the panel and that was the exonerated was the Department's determination also. and case number MI. 2023, dash 0, 1 0 is summarized as officers, one and 2 were assigned to investigate an alleged effort to catch a forged $70,000 check, ostensibly drawn from a company's account. The check was made out to a named payee, and the check indicated that some one presented the check to a credit Union teller. At February 20 s, 2,023, at 2 45 PM. To be deposited into the payee's account.

[41:10] the officers obtained a photograph of the payee, who was a 46 year old black man. The officers conducted a credit union. a security off contacted a credit Union security official and provided him with the transaction details, including the pay's description. The Security official sent the officers a video which depicted the complainant. Which is a complainant witness, not the payee, a 37 year old black man who submitted a check for deposit to a teller at 2, 44 Pm. The officers identified the complainant witness and questioned him at his workplace the next day the complaining witness said that he had deposited a check at the Credit Union the previous day, and showed the officers records from his telephone. The officers left and met with the credit Union manager. They realized that the Security official sent them the incorrect video. The actual suspect was at the bank from 1 30 to 2 40 PM. Officer one called the complaining witness explained what happened and apologized.

[42:07] The allegations served against Officer one were rule one compliance with values, rules, and general orders. GO. 101 unbiased policing race. rule, 5. Police authority and public trust pretended to be a customer when contacting the complainant in rule, one compliance with values, rules and general orders. GO. 305. Field interviews, Pat Downs and consent searches, questioned and or detained the complainant. The panel recommended that all 3 allegations be exonerated, and the Department also determined that the 3 allegations were exonerated. Officer 2. Received allegations. Rule one. Compliance with values, rules, and general orders. GO. 101 unbiased policing race rule, one. Compliance with values, rules and general orders. General order 305. Field interviews, pat downs and consent. Searches, questioned and or detained the complainant rule. One. Compliance with values, rules, and general orders. 305. Field interviews, pat downs and consent searches. Search the complainants wallet and the panel recommended exonerated, and the Department determined that the allegations were exonerated also.

[43:23] In addition, the panel recommended that the Boulder police department should train its officers when requesting private security footage to obtain a broad timespan rather than a narrow one, enabling Bolter police department members to make identification decisions rather than relying on private security personnel. The Boulder Police Department wrote that they will conduct a tactical review of current practices. They also recommended the panel also recommended that the Boulder Police Department should contact the security official and inform him of the error he made, and the response from the department was that the Boulder police Department has no legal authority to advise private sector employees to be thorough in reviewing video. Although the Credit Union's management and security team were made aware of this error, and provided the correct footage clearing the complainant.

[44:12] And the third recommendation from the panel was that the Boulder police department should consider extending an apology to the complainant in its final correspondence. and the department responded that officer. One apologized to the complainant and the Boulder police department's closing letter to the complainant will indicate that the Boulder police department regrets that this situation happened. Misconduct investigation MI. 2023, 0 1 6 is summarized by a driver called 9, 1 one to complain about an officer's on duty driving. The driver subsequently specified that officer. One sped, cut around cars, brake checked the driver slammed on his brakes at a red light and had to back up, drove extremely slowly, and did not properly use his blinkers. The Boulder police department's automated vehicle, locating report which the traffic unit confirmed was accurate, showed that Officer one sped on Canyon Boulevard. The investigation showed that he had no reason to do so.

[45:13] The allegation served to officer one was Rule 2. Conformance with law traffic regulations. The Independent Monitor recommended that officer, one. That this allegation against officer one be sustained with a recommendation for supervisory counseling, and the departmental determination was also a sustained allegation, with supervisory counseling for case the number MI. 2023, dash 0, 2, 5. It's summarized as a man called 9, 1 one to report a group of individuals assaulted him and stole his cell install his cell phone officer. One responded in trying to question the caller officer. One interviewed an independent witness who partially corroborated the man's account. She saw 2 men kicking the 9, 1 one caller, and questioned others at the scene of the assault.

[46:07] A bicyclist dropped the man's phone on the ground as he rode past, but the witnesses could not identify the bicyclist. The caller refused to answer more questions, walked away from Officer one, and refused to speak with another officer who later encountered him. Police stopped the bicyclist and officer. One interviewed him. The bicyclist said he took the phone when the 9, 1 one caller and a second man confronted each other, the caller holding a stun gun as described, and the second man holding a knife because the bicyclist did not want to be recorded. Officer, one did not make an arrest. The case was still open. A month after the complaint was filed. allegations leveled against Officer one were rule, one compliance with values, rules and general orders. General order 203. Investigative responsibility and case assignments did not conduct inadequate investigation. The Independent Police monitor recommended that this allegation against Officer one be exonerated, and the Department also determined that the allegation against Officer one should be exonerated

[47:12] and case number MI. 2023, dash 0, 2, 6 is summarized as a Mall complex security guard called 9 1, one regarding an unhoused man who would not leave the guard wanted the individual sighted for trespass officers. One and 2, responded. The Mall Building and walkways had no trespass signs. The officers found the man told him why they were there, and Officer one asked him to leave with his possessions and move on. The man started to gather his belongings, readying to leave. The officers then spoke to the security guard. As the officers walked to their vehicles, a woman approached them and questioned the officers about ordering the man to leave. They explained that the Mall was private property. The woman asked for their names. Officer one initially pointed to her name plate when the woman said she couldn't read the nameplate officer. One stated her name and badge number. When Officer One walked to her car. The woman spoke with Officer 2 officer 2 tried to focus the conversation on the right of the private property owner to ask someone to leave

[48:12] Officer 2 ended the conversation by telling the woman to have a good day. The woman filed a complaint, objecting to the officers forcing the man to leave the shade on a hot day officer, one not properly identifying herself and Officer two's alleged rudeness. Allegations served against officer, one included Rule 5. Police authority and public trust directed at an individual leaving to leave private property. and that allegation was exonerated by the Independent Police Monitor, and the Department also determined that that allegation would be exonerated and another allegation was rule. One compliance with values, rules, and general orders. Customer service value did not identify herself to an individual. The Independent Monitor recommended unfounded.

[49:01] and the Department also determined that that allegation was unfounded. Officer number 2 was served with a allegation of rule. Violation of Rule 4. Respect for others. General order 1. 30. Criminal process did not speak to an individual with fairness and respect. and the Independent police monitor recommended unfounded, and the department determination was that the allegation against Officer 2 was also unfounded. and for our final occasion. number MI. 2023, 0 2, 7 is summarized. A neighbor called 9, 1, one to report a domestic violence incident involving yelling, screaming, and the presence of a 7 year old child, whom the caller said was crying. The caller said the woman accused the man of destroying the apartment. The dispatcher could hear yelling. The call notes also indicated that there was a history of domestic violence calls, and that the man had yelled, I want you dead officers! One and 2, responded. A man opened the door, said he was alone, and appeared drunk.

[50:04] The man gave officer one consent to enter the apartment. When Officer 2 followed him inside. The man told them to get out. The apartment was dark in disarray, messy and broken property the officers left. but Officer 2 would not allow the man to close the door. She stuck her foot in the door. Jam officer one told the man he could not close the door. Eventually the man opened the door and told the officers they could enter. The man's girlfriend and their child were in the downstairs room. The 2 had argued he was drunk, screamed through stuff, and every threw stuff everywhere in front of the child, and the woman had taken refuge downstairs. The man complained that officer one has Vendetta's against him, barged in and overcharged him. The man filed a complaint more than 18 months after the incident due to his upcoming trial. The allegations served against Officer one are rule one. Compliance with values, rules, and general orders. General order. 1. 30 criminal process entered an individual's home. The Independent Police Monitor recommended that this allegation be exonerated, and the Department also determined that this allegation be exonerated.

[51:11] Officer 2 received an allegation of a violation of rule, one compliance with values, rules, and general orders. General order. 1. 30 criminal process entered an individual's home. The Independent Police Monitor recommended that this allegation be exonerated, and the Department also determined that the allegation be exonerated for the summaries. The August 2,023 monthly case statistics involved. then the number of complaints that the Independent Police, monitored, classified as misconduct were 4 and serious misconduct 0 community inquiries. 0, the Independent Police Monitor observed 6 interviews

[52:04] of the police. The Boulder police investigations that the Independent Police Monitor deemed thorough and complete were 5, and case investigations closed by the Boulder police Department are were 10, and as of August 30, first 2,023, the open Independent police Monitor and the boulder police oversight panel docket is 15 cases, including those pending boulder police department disposition. And there we are. Thank you. Sherry A good short report for your first night. Thank you. I really appreciate that. And before we go on break real quick just to to finish, finish this out. So panelist members of the community just a reminder that as the under the current ordinance as a panel

[53:04] we are charged with reporting these completed cases at this our regular meeting, and so we asked the Independent Monitor to do that for us. And so at this meeting. That's where the Independent Monitor determines which details of these cases can be discussed and released with the public. And so any information that was not in these case reviews, panelists are S, that is still confidential information bound by our confidentiality agreement. So just keep that in mind. Excuse me, I also want to acknowledge that we have been working with with flo of oir group and we'll be working with sherry on this as well to develop a tracking document of all of our policy recommendations, requests for more information from the police department so that we can keep on track on on top of those and make sure we're we're getting responses where we need them and getting getting to review the policies that we suggest should should be altered or updated and so we hope to get that public soon. But of course it's a big project, right? There's a lot. We've we've made a lot of recommendations in the last 3 years and flow. I saw you just popped on.

[54:16] yeah, just to update you. That document is. well, it's pretty up to date, and after the 2 case reviews this month I will forward it. I mean sherry. Are. You've already seen a previous version. Sherry has a previous version, but I'll send you a final version, and what will remain is for the police department to tell tell you. What if I mean there are some gaps there like the I couldn't find a response, for example, that were proof that they actually did what they said they were, gonna do. So that will be for the panel and the Ipm to sort out

[55:01] with the department. Thank you, I appreciate that. Yeah. and so to also, just to finish this up is to remind panelists. This is also our opportunity. Under the current ordinance to include any comments on the handling of complaints, the fairness, thoroughness of investigation, and the reasonable adjudication. So this is our opportunity to offer those thoughts on any of the complaints that sherry just complaints and cases investigations that sherry just reported out on. And so I'm gonna just open that floor up for your comments, and I see it. Chico, go for it. Well, II may be out of line here, but there. There was just a one of the case reviews that was done by the Monitor it involved. I forget the case number. It involved an officer speeding and not observing road rules or safety concerns. and

[56:00] he only gets supervisory counseling. That doesn't sit well for me, because if it was on the other side a member of the public, they would have thrown the whole open book of laws and regulations on them of what the contravened, and somewhat I feel that the officer got away with a pat on the back. That's just why my opinion. please. Thank you, Chico. I appreciate that. Panelists, other other thoughts considerations. Alrighty. Then. in that case, then it is 7, 33. So why don't we go ahead and take our break now? So everyone, if we could come back at 70, it's 7, 34 now, so if we could be back at 7, 39, we'll resume then. Thanks.

[62:05] Farah. lady of the hour panelists. We are back on your cameras. So we know you're there, too. I'm sitting on my porch. So it's really dark out here. But I'm actually here. Jason, I feel like increasingly. you have more and more dramatic lighting in each of the meetings we have who? Currently I'm basking in the blue glow of my bug Zapper. It actually looks like you could be in front of a campfire, though, like it does not look blue and artificial at all.

[63:06] Maybe I'll start a fire. It's almost cold cold enough, and I don't think there's a fire ban right now, right there was at the the sign on what is that? Broadway said it was is the yellow. It wasn't red, but it was yellow, but it wasn't green in the fire station in north boulders. So well I thought there were no fires in city limits. Or am I wrong session? Then I won't start a fire. panelists. Come on, come on back. Y'all we got a we got a lot left to do today. Chico, Lizzie Victor, y'all there. cause we also have to demonstrate a quorum before we continue

[64:00] eating while on camera is absolutely acceptable for for volunteer meetings going from 6 to 9. Lizzie Chico, are you all y'all there? Here's Chico. Thanks. Chico didn't hear that Daniel about teaching on camera last week world we live in. Now, you know, I guess we're just gonna have to be humans. Thank you. Thank you. Well, Matt. We we all are back. And with that farah, I hope you are doing your vocal exercises and getting a good stretch in because the rest of the meeting I'm gonna hand over to you. Well, thank you, Daniel. Good evening, everybody. Fair musket in consultant to the city. I'm so happy to finally be here to talk to you about the proposed changes.

[65:04] the from the work group to the ordinance. It's a lot and I wanna kind of set the stage and prepare you for the presentation. Obviously, this is gonna be I sent you guys the email earlier today, I'm making the assumption. You haven't had a chance to really come through it. So my slide deck is primarily the language that is proposed. And what? Why I'm taking this approach is because I'm making the assumption. It's the first time you see it. I want you to see the language as written, so I didn't necessarily want to paraphrase it in the slide deck. I wanted you guys to see what we're actually proposing. I'm not going to read it to you, but I will give you kind of a general summary of what the theme and the intent is through of the language that you're gonna be reading on the slides and then hopefully, I can get through it in about 20 min, maybe 25, and then have an open conversation about it. You know, answering whatever questions you may have in documenting your questions, because I do wanna include them in what I submit to counsel on September 20 eighth. So that's really kinda to give you a precursor about what we are embarking upon for the next

[66:18] next hour or so, including obviously our open conversation. So I am going to hopefully, successfully share my screen. See? Hmm. okay. Can you all see that looks good? Okay, great. Alright. So we will just get started. With our agenda. Today, we're gonna start out with a timeline of just basically how we got here. We're gonna talk about the police oversight ordinance workgroup go through the proposed changes. There are a lot of proposed changes, but I tried to focus on what I would consider the most most important to the group.

[67:02] Talk about next steps and then end with just an open discussion about you know your, your just your initial feedback initial thoughts. But I know you're gonna have to sit back, read it, go through the draft. But you know, having that open conversation today will be really helpful. So I was brought on in February by the city to primarily help with the revisions to the ordinance. Also help with the police, the Independent police Monitor search, and then some other tasks. So it's it feels good as in the kind of the outsider being brought in that it's all kind of culminating around the same time. I don't know if that was intentional, but I'm glad that it it it's working out that way. And I spent pretty much March in April, meeting one on one with panel members, council members, community members. The task force that was initially put together to draft the ordinance former Council members. I spent the those first 2 months talking up to a lot of people individuals in the police department, the police Union. Just

[68:08] a vast array of stakeholders to really get an idea of. You know the landscape of Boulder, the landscape of how police oversight was brought to boulder, and then also like how it's been the last, you know, 2 and a half years right? And that was super helpful to just give me a fundamental foundation and understanding of look ahead of us. And so then in June we put together the police oversight work group, and we had our first meeting, June thirteenth, and then later, a week later, we had a community event that was coordinated with the community engagement subcommittee to really get feedback from the current ordinance from community members. and a drafted that and share that with the city and also with the work group. I did a presentation of kind of the status of where we were with the work group for

[69:04] a city council. Hold on one quick second. I need to change this. On June July twenty-seventh and then as solid alluded, we had our final work group meeting on August 20 ninth. The work group was very clear that they really didn't want to go into September and so we really kind of buckled down and did our work, and we did finish on time with on August. twenty-ninth shortly thereafter I submitted the working draft that we had to the city attorney's office in the city manager's office, and that immediately started legal review and that was completed, I believe, on Monday. And we I sent the draft to the panel today to the obviously the workgroup cause they hadn't seen the updated version in the more formal ordinance format today as well cause we've been working with a a word document. So

[70:05] all of that was sent today, and we are hoping to continue those conversations. So this is just a brief summary of kind of how we got to this point, and then, towards the end of the presentation, I will talk about next steps, and how we get to the finish line so essentially, and we had a pretty extensive conversation about this. I can't remember which. It might have been our April April. panel meeting about the makeup and the makeup turned out to be fantastic with 2 current panel members, one who had been on the panel for a while, and one newer, and I think those those perspectives really brought great insight to the workgroup. We had a former panel member, represented from Central Amestad, the Naacp the city and say, for 2 h, and we really kind of rolled up our sleeves. We had really thoughtful conversations and some debates about you know, various areas and really came together. Our last few meetings. We we went through the draft, basically page by page, line by line, to make sure it incorporated all the things that we thought needed to be changed or added to the proposed changes.

[71:23] So this is just a quick overview of the changes, because one of the things that I wanted to make clear to everybody. There's such significant change that it did not make sense to necessarily do a red line of the current ordinance. So we're proposing to do a repeal and replace and there are a lot of there's more additions to the draft than there are kind of removing or changing. So on the left side. you see on my left. What was specifically changes, the selection and removal process of the panel members. This is completely different proposed than what is in the current current. Ordinance. The other other change is you. In the current ordinance. There is a couple of sections about the panel, evaluating the Monitor or the work of the office. That was that that has been removed from the current draft.

[72:19] The new sections include a purpose statement, and this was a recommendation that I made to the workgroup primarily from my conversations that I had in March and April, because it was pretty clear that there was diversity of understanding and perception about the role of the panel and what they do. And so establishing a purpose statement, right in the beginning of the draft, really sets the stage in the foundation about what civilian oversight is and its role and its purpose in Boulder another big big change is the ability for the panel and the Monitor to automatically review critical incidents, and that is defined in the proposed draft. We change the panel qualifications panel terms.

[73:06] We gave clear authority. This is something that I heard feedback from the community about making it clear, particularly around the panel's ability to make policy recommendations. I think the panel has always been able to do that, and the panel has done that. But there was clear recommendation from community members about making that clearer. And we did that. We added some specificity about training. We added a section about obligations of the chief of police. And also looking at reviewing the whole totality of the civilian oversight system. After, you know, 5 years to review it. And then also we address outside Council, which many of you know has been a topic that's come up pretty consistently through community conversations. So here is the exact language of the purpose statement, and I'm just going to pause for a minute here, and primarily

[74:01] the purpose is the purpose right? We are setting the stage here of describing what the civilian oversight system for boulder is, and then specifically describing what the role of the panel is. what the panel is, and making that very clear in ordinance for the public and also for the panel. I can't see you all. So I'm just gonna give it a few more seconds, and then I'm gonna go to the next slide. So I'm hoping that this one of the things that I find in my experience with police oversight is managing expectations, particularly with community. A lot of times. Community thinks that the oversight entity can do more than it can, or the role is different than what it is. And so I felt it was really important to be clear about what the role is, what the scope is, and

[75:08] just making it clear to community. So another big change is the appointment of panel members. There's a recommendation that this that the appointment be done by the city manager and one of the changes. Obviously we kept it at 11 members, but we made it very clear that 2 of the 11 positions are for students currently enrolled in the institution of higher education. It is unclear in the current ordinance, and we made it very, very clear in this draft. And so just talking more broadly that we are recommending that the city manager obviously exceed community input in terms of the selection process. It needs to be. There needs to be a public awareness campaign, not only about the vacancies and the opportunity to serve, but also what the role and the responsibilities of the panel are and then essentially forming an advisory committee. And there is specificity within the draft language about

[76:15] the types of community members that we would want the city manager to seek out to participate in the advisory committee. And in particularly having the lens of those most particular, most disproportionately, negatively impacted by law enforcement and seeking those out for the representation in the appointment process. Also, we felt it was important to include current and former panel members and the Monitor. That is a change in this process. you know, just from my experience as someone who created a system facilitated a system and got it from A to Z, like, I literally built the system. Being.

[77:02] II thought that was a gap in the current ordinance that the Monitor wasn't involved, because that that is the link and an opportunity to establish relationship and a rapport. That I that I felt was missing. So we added that the other thing that you should be aware of is that we felt that those participating in the appointment process on the Advisory Committee have some sort of meeting or training. It doesn't need to be long about the fundamentals of civilian oversight, and also understanding what the boulder civilian oversight system looks like. So we added that as a requirement in the appointment process section. we did change panel member qualifications in terms of looking at requiring ability to relate to community concerns. We added, the ability to be fair minded, objective and impartial. And I just wanna add that particularly with these particular adjectives. There's some combination of these, but it's primarily impartial in pretty much every oversight ordinance out there. And so

[78:08] we felt that it was really important to be clear about that. Also. It was very, very important to the work group members to have a a connection to boulder and a commitment to serving the community. And then we added some additional qualifications in terms of valuing equity, diversity, diversity, and inclusion. Understanding. You know, experience or understanding, conflict, resolution, and mediation. And then we also wanted to make it clear that you're not required to be a Us. Citizen, to serve on the panel. We changed panel terms. So, as you know right now, panels serve a max of 6, 6 6 years. So 3 I think it's 3 and 3 or maybe 4 and 2, or the option and so what we are proposing is to have a max of a 4 year term, so it would be 3 and one or 2 and 2, and that they would be staggered, and then for the students it would be a one year term with a max of 2 years.

[79:13] and that is pro pretty clear in the language we thought 4 years was is was a long enough time to serve and and have impact. We thought 6 years was long, but given particularly with the type of work this is, and that it also may cause some difficulty with retention. but panel members. Next is panel training. So this takes 2 sections. First section is required training for the panel before a vote can be taken, and this primarily, is to give new panel members a solid foundation about what they are embarking upon and what they're going to be doing is

[80:01] pana members and volunteers reviewing allegations of police misconduct. And so we specifically delineated what those trainings should be, and also a primer on the history of civilian oversight and oversight in boulder, and then really understanding the complaint process, and how complaints are investigated. Then, on the other side of the screen, you will see what we are proposing as annual training, and that's participation in at least one 4 h. Ride along, or a 2 h walk-along and additional training on these various areas. But it's not obviously limited to. But these are some topics that we thought are important and relevant to service on a police oversight panel, and then we also wanted to broaden the scope of who can provide the the to training. And so again, this is not limited to, but we thought obviously, representatives from Nicole or comparable organization consultants and subject matter experts as opening up the pool of potential trainers or providers of this training.

[81:10] This is a new section proposed section, and it's essentially creating and setting the framework for the interrelationship between the monitor and the panel, and the first bullet is probably what's most important is really setting them as separate entities, but complementary and so obviously that they're separate, but working in the same accord and obviously working in in with the same goal of police accountability and community having a connection to community and providing being a resource for community input but also leaving any sort of tension in terms of that prior kind of reporting and evaluation. We thought this was a better, better way to pursue oversight. In the future in terms of having kind of a level level level a level level stage with the Monitor and the panel.

[82:07] and obviously, I think most of you should know, or have known or heard us talk about having the Monitor serve as liaison to the panel, and not necessarily a nonviolent member. And obviously will be a subject matter expert. Particularly when it comes to case review and policies of the police department, and this this the last bullet, is a change. The current ordinance says that the panel will contact the complainant, and generally. That is a role of the monitor to do that to by phone or by letter, to talk about the status of their complaint, or to give them, send them an update about what the result of their complaint is, that is something that is generally handled by the staff and not the volunteers. So we did change that and then added, I believe this is a current practice where we wanted to put in the ordinance that any communication

[83:01] You know, that occurs that the panel will will be copied on the correspondence. So this this is like another big change, and III think I'm sounding like a broken record, because I'm saying everything is a big change. But this is a big change. In that we made it very clear in terms of the different areas of panel recommendations. So you will see one section that specifically relates to disposition. And so the the first bullet isn't changed. The is not a change, but we clarified it a little bit in terms of the panel being able to submit written recommendations about dispos disposition to the chief and then the second 2 bullets are additions. If there is a disagreement that the panel can submit an objection. and obviously, notwithstanding any sort of confidentiality requirements. Those objections can be made public specifically to the disposition we added greater clarity on policy recommendations, and this is, we. We made it crystal clear that the panel can make policy recommendations around policies, procedures, practices in the police department.

[84:08] Obviously, having input in terms of those policies that reflect community values and then, in terms of, you know, improving professionalism, safe safety record, effectiveness, and accountability of the police department, and then, obviously, that the panel can make recommendations to the chief of police, the city Manager and city Council has appropriate, so that I mean we are making that very crystal clear in this draft. The next one is also a big change, and I alluded it in the beginning in terms of right now. So, for example, I believe there was an officer involved shooting in June, sometime over the summer, and notwithstanding the panel's break, the panel may not have reviewed that officer involved shooting because it would require a complaint.

[85:00] So this particular change removes that requirement. It says automatically on a critical incident. And I put the definition of critical incident. This is taken from the police department, general order to be consistent with that. But then we also added language about serious bodily injury, because like. For example, if there's a use of taser, and someone may have, like fractured a bone or something that would fall under the definition of serious bodily injury as defined by the Colorado Criminal Statute, and that those 2 will now automatically be reviewed by the Monitor and the panel. This for me is a big, big change because fundamentally oversight. Civilian oversight has historically has started from in critical incidents serious incidents of use of force in communities right? That

[86:00] need to be review unity right away. That there was, you know, community concern that brought forth and was the catalyst for civilian oversight, and so needing a complaint to review that to me, sort of negates or question puts into question kind of the purpose of the oversight. And so. This makes it very clear. Generally, when you're talking about critical incidents like an officer involved shootings. Those generally always involves some level of community concern where community wants to know about that. And so when you have a panel of community members, when you have a subject matter expert as your independent police monitor that those are things. and really the fundamental purpose of why we have oversight to allow those set of eyes to provide that review. And so now, in this proposed draft we are making that automatic again, meaning that no complaint is needed for the panel or the monitor to review it.

[87:01] So again we made it very clear in terms of recommendations for discipline. And this is something new again in in. in conversations that I've had with several stakeholders about. Well, what happens when there's a disagreement on discipline? Well, first, historically, you all know that it's rare, but it happens, but when it happens it's generally on, you know, a serious case, or, you know, a big case. And so essentially, what we came up with was creating an after action meeting. And essentially, at the request of the panel or the chief, a meeting can be requested. And this is potentially, this is in in the context of when there is potential serious discipline. So an officer's con is looking at a transfer, devotion, suspension, or termination. And so again, the chief of police or the panel can request this meeting. We specifically put in a neutral location, or, you know, have the ability to agree on a location we specifically designate who can attend this meeting, and we wanted kind of a balance of

[88:13] equality in these meetings. And then we specifically delineated the purpose. With this meeting, what can be discussed? And the the timeframe of this meeting? And so this was specifically to address those instances where there's a disagreement on discipline, and how they can be addressed, going forward obligations as the chief. So we wanted to make it clear to hear again that the chief of police can appoint a liaison, so changing it from a non voting member to a liaison, and them having the ability to provide their expertise particularly on training and policies of the police department. The other 3 bullets are obviously new additions that the chief of police will provide written response. Your chief fortunately does this right? I wish I could say that that is common across the country, but it is not so here we're

[89:13] asking that the chief provide a written response to any formal correspondence from the panel, and we delineate what that is. But it's, of course, not limited to that. We also ask for written record when the Department declines to implement a recommendation from the panel and designate that as well, and that it can be made available, made made public. and then also same response provide a written response to any formal written correspondence from the Monitor. So essentially the first and third bullet are are the same, but obviously one relating to the panel, and one related to the Monitor additional changes. We added a section about the evaluation on every 5 years of the entire civilian police oversight system. So obviously, we're looking at the Monitor side and the panel side. And this is good to just see, you know, to assess the effectiveness, to see what changes potentially may need to be made. And also just, you know, to

[90:21] oversight evolves right and it over. It evolves with time. And so this is gonna trigger conversations about whether or not you know, it's time to evolve what tweaks need to be made, and having that in the in the in the ordinance to make it clear that That that will happen. The next again outside council. Pretty consistent conversation from community stakeholders. And essentially we the panel or monitor, can request outside counsel, and that will be primarily done through the city attorney's office. So it makes it clear that it is an option. And it sets forth. You know, the process in which it needs to occur, but at least provides the avenue and opportunity for that request to be made. And it's pretty clear in the draft ordinance.

[91:19] So next steps here. Actually, before we go into next steps. I hope I'm not going over too much time. But I do want to add a couple of points that I did not put in my slide deck. But if I have a couple of minutes I want to just highlight a couple of things. One of the things that we talk to, Dot, and you will see it in the section of panel terms, vacancies alternates and were removal. I want to talk about a couple of things, one with alternates, because I was brought up, I believe, by Victor early in the conversation. Well, we are recommending currently the ordinance allows for increasing that to 5, to have a little bit more wiggle room for alternates, and also allow alternates for students. And essentially rather than doing the

[92:15] what do you call it? The picking of the numbers that discretion in terms of the alternates cause they will already be potentially appointed by the city manager. And so they will be in a pool waiting for a vacancy to occur. So when a vacancy occur, giving that discretion to the Monitor to be able to make that recommendation to the city manager. That this alternate should be, you know, put in this new vacancy. So that takes out the whole kind of join the numbers process. The other thing that I want to highlight for you is automatic resignation. And so this is important to you as panel members. Because this is another, a big change. Where this is not included at all, but essentially unexcused absence of 3 consecutive panel meetings. And this is consistent with this is the exact same language that is, in all boards and commissions. Their ordinances. That would be

[93:17] automatic resignation, and the next one is failure to participate in 2 assigned case reviews. Without prior notification to the panel co-chairs, or the the Monitor in a 12 month period. So that I just wanna highlight for you. I'm sure you'll see it when you need it but since we had an additional time I wanted to highlight that and the other thing I wanted to highlight particularly. I think of Chico. Here in the Legacy committee we made some very clear changes in the panel data Analysis Review, and reporting in terms of what the panel can review. And it all, we added language about like reports that the police department puts out that the panel can review those and provide, you know, feedback or input on those so that is specifically, you know, tied to the work that the legacy committee

[94:13] will be will be doing. So that is pretty high level, high level summary of the changes. Obviously you are going to want to read it and have additional questions. But again, in terms of next steps. We have our first community event to get feedback. and this is virtual. We talked about trying to provide opportunities to get more feedback, so we thought 2 events would be better, one virtual one in person. So Monday, September eighteenth, will be our virtual session. This will be more of kind of an open forum for people to give us their feedback on the twentieth. It's in person and we will have the various sections of the proposed language on poster boards. In the room for community members to provide feedback on and and for these 2 events I will be gathering all the feedback.

[95:09] and in what I submit to council, there will be a community feedback section section. and all of that will be collated and put together and given directly to council for their consideration. So I will take every single feedback that I get. put it in the same document and put it in a section for council consideration. All of this come unbind with some other things that Council have asked me to do. Council has asked me to do a comparative analysis with some other cities. Council has asked me to look at The panels, names, and what? What? Review panels are called across the country. So I'll be doing that and submitting all of that. On September 20 eighth. Then we are aiming for first reading on October fifth, and Second reading, and I should have added this. It's second reading and public hearing on October nineteenth

[96:00] and then I just added that the the moratorium officially ends on October twentieth. So that concludes my presentation hopefully. I didn't talk too fast. but I'm definitely looking forward to having a more open conversation about the draft changes in your feedback. The other thing I wanted to add to is, I can't remember off the top of my head the the schedule for our subcommittees. But if there were their meetings coming up. I'm happy to attend those meetings and talk about the specific language in those meetings as well as opportunities. I think we already had community engagement, but we may have legacy and governance scheduled coming up. Again. I don't know when they are, but I'm happy to attend those meetings to continue on these conversations. About the draft. Ordinance changes. So with that. Daniel, thank you for this opportunity. To present. And II am just really excited for your feedback, and to see what you guys think I like, I really am excited. Oh, well, let me first also think lastly, thank solid and Hadassa

[97:13] total Mvps, like total total Mvps in this process, and If they didn't like it, they told me, and they said, There, go back try again. And I did, and their fingerprints and thoughts and sweat and tears, and everything is in this document. And you know there are things where I can go. That's solid sentence. You know what I mean. Like, they really provided great input participated came prepared and really really represented the interest of the panel and the community so well. And it was so pleasant, such a pleasant, wonderful experience working with them and the other community members. II expected it to be a little bit bumpy when I did this before. It was bumpy. And nothing that this wasn't bumpy, but like we, you know, we had our moments, but we came together. And I really feel like the work group should be really proud of this draft and

[98:13] and they really put a lot of work and thought there was a lot of thoughtfulness and consideration in what's proposed. And so I'm really hoping that you see that in the draft when you have an opportunity to really review it and dig in. Thanks. Farah. Yeah, thank you, farah. And and and to everyone who is on the working group, and I think so for feedback. So running the feedback round. But it looks like we only have one member of the community. And I believe that's Amber Carlson of the daily camera, who does our regular coverage. And so, considering that if if it's okay with any everyone I'd I'd say we go ahead and do 30 min of feedback since, since it seems like we won't have much public comment this evening and so to to run this I'm thinking to to get as much feedback as we can from as many of us as we can. We'll go ahead and do this one serving at a time so that we can each. We'll do one round of questions or feedback that we wanna give farah. And then, once everyone is at the opportunity to have their

[99:19] their first serving of the meal, we can circle back on second, third, fourth questions. Whatever it is, I just wanna make sure we don't accidentally What am I trying to say? Shut anyone out of this conversation. And so with that I will go ahead. If it's okay with you, Farah, I will go ahead and facilitate if you all. Wanna raise your hands as you have questions, we'll just go go down the list, and then, once everyone's had their opportunity, we'll circle back for anyone who has it? Second or second questions. So and she go right there with the hand. I see it. She go ahead

[100:07] and and and to me as well you just how are we looking at the process like a 3 60 just at high level 360 overview of the process? How is it? Is that? Gonna how are you envisioning the whole process work? So that's a great question. And it's a tricky question, because it's the honest answers, is Tbd, so we have to work with the police department. Currently, they don't have a process on how to do that. And I and I do wanna forewarn people. That review, particularly of officer involved shootings, is a very long process. The reason why it's a very long process is because there's generally a criminal investigation, and that always proceeds. It always precedes the administrative. So essentially in my experience. Sometimes the oversight agency. We didn't review it until a year later.

[101:02] There are some caveats to that. Generally speaking, your district attorney. I don't know if you have district attorney or county attorney who will review the officer involved shootings. They have less less limitations about confidentiality. And so we would get full on reports very detailed. 40 page reports that I would be able to share with my panel, to be able to review in in the interim until the criminal component was resolved, or however resolved. And so we still have to figure that part out. Our main focus was just putting it the authority in the ordinance. First and foremost, because right now you kind of don't have the authority, so we wanted to just make it very clear you have the authority. But to be very honest and transparent with you, Chico. We have to figure out what the process is gonna be. And we also have to manage expectations about the process because it's not gonna be immediate.

[102:01] So it's not like I use the example of the I think there was a June officer involved shooting. It's not like the panel would be able to review it in September. It would. It's gonna be probably a significant time after that that the panel would be able to review it. And and in my eyes. What I would like to see is a review that's probably no different than how you do case review. So you would be able to see the videos you would be able to see. You won't be able to see anything from the criminal side, but you'd be able to see you know what? PC, I wanna call it Ia professional standards unit, review. So that those documents. And so fundamentally, we still have to create that process. Thanks sounds good, thanks. see? So I don't see any hands, so I'll raise my hand. I was gonna fare it to the the selection process is the city manager in your recommendation? Is the city manager obligated to form the advisory Committee? Or does the city manager have

[103:06] unilateral power to a point point just themselves to, or do they do? They have to form that advisory committee? So I think you're asking me whether or not the city manager. It says the city manager shall seek input from the creation of the panel member selection process. So no, yeah, it's a shell. They are perfect. Good. Thank you panelists, other questions, comments, concerns. I was just gonna say, you know, it looks great thinking about all the people you know in the room when this was happening. You know, solo that and Hadasa. But also. you know, the police union. The fact that all Star was there from, you know, professional standards.

[104:03] And also people from the community. Right? So it has. It has all the teeth. and I guess my hope is when it's presented to city council that they don't pick and choose portions of it, but you know, just take it as an entire package. But just thinking about the way this sets up future panels for success. you know I'm I'm just really glad to see that in there. So nothing but kudos and I'll dig deeper. But just from what I have just seen, that was some things were unexpected. which is good overall. Victor Jason. Yeah. The I did not get this compliment when I was in college, but a friend of mine did. He got a compliment from a a a.

[105:03] And one of our favorite English professors, and it it was he wrote extended applause. So II always love that. I always thought of it. And I just wanna say extended to applause. Thank you very much for doing this very difficult work, and I'm so pleased I'd I'd echo Victor, and saying, II hope that the Council takes us as a whole. I expect there will be some changes of some kind, but II hope that they take it as a whole, and II thank you very much for this work. Thanks, Jason. Other hands. questions, clarifications. Okay? Then, we can open that up to serving round 2. If there's questions. Chico, Victor Jason! If you had follow-ups I'll jump in with a follow up then so far. With the training. Is there anything.

[106:06] Is there anything binding the Monitor to respond or provide trainings that the panel requested? And so I'm thinking specifically of the requests the panel has made over over the last 3 years to have trainings on the Union collective bargaining arbitration legal trainings. We need to to put a point on it. Trainings. We ask for that, then, ultimately led to this work stoppage because we never got them. And so I'm wondering if there's any obligation for the Monitor to actually provide trainings that this panel requests to to conduct its work. Let's see. So in a subsection, it says the city manager and the man that the Monitor shall provide the panel members with additional training, which may include but not limited to. And we list that out. So I think we didn't. We wanted to list topics, but we didn't. You know what I mean? Like, you can't put everything in there right? So for me, I think that that allows for that. We'll go room for the Monitor to

[107:07] city manager or monitor to provide the additional training that, for example, the panel requests. So II would read that to say that that's included in that is, it is the Monitor bound to. That's the problem, though. So we have this this challenge with additional training. So to me, the shall I answer that as a yes, okay. okay. I might follow up with you just to make that I mean this. This was this has been a huge problem. So to make sure that is something the Monitor understands. Yeah. And with the monitor the room, Hi, sherry so that the Monitor helps. Cherry understands that, you know when the panel makes a request that that train has to be provided. So, for example, if you see the the, the the top section which is required training for the panel members before they could take a vote that includes legal and ethical applicate. You know what I mean. That's the legal training you're talking about. So like panel members have to take better, else they can't take a vote. About police department policies and training. The privacy stuff.

[108:10] so I feel like the the trainings that we are kind of mandating pre vote sounds to me what you're describing. So that's in the first half is not. I'm describing the trainings. The panel requested to do its work and to understand its work that were never fulfilled. And so that's my concern is that if we carry over the training language we had in the previous ordinance which gives the monitor unilateral control over that curriculum per se. If the Monitor isn't bound to respond to the panel's requests like that's that's been, you know, we never got that training on arbitration. We never got that specific link legal training we'd asked for. That was pretty critical to our work. And so that's kind of that's the challenge is giving the panel the power to make sure it gets the trainings it deems necessary to conduct its work.

[109:04] Oh, that's interesting. Okay, okay, yeah, let me write that down. Daniel, cool. Thank you. I appreciate that panelists, other questions. Daniel on this show just adding on to what you're saying right If if if that obligation is not met. wouldn't that come as part of the panel's review of the moniker's performance? We don't. So that's that, so that that section was removed from the draft. So in essence, you know the the because now it's very clear that the Monitor reports to the city manager. If, for example, you requested training from the Monitor that they didn't, that they didn't provide the recourse for that would be going to the city manager.

[110:04] because, in in addition to this draft also puts the responsibility on the city manager. So like in my mind, it makes it even UN less unlike, less likely that the Monitor won't provide this, because then it's now put on the city manager to provide it, because the language specifically says city manager and monitor. Does that make sense? Yeah, as long as there's that obligation that the that the panel does have power to determine the training it needs to conduct its work, because, of course, those trainings did. Those training requests did over overlap with the city manager previously in the city attorney's office and the Boulder police department, all under the city manager. So there was. It was a big loophole that we fell through and and and hit hard. Yeah. yeah, I think we're all on the same page about that about training. So this for me, if it needs a tweak, is a minor tweak, because, essentially like, we want panel members to have the tools that they need to do the job. And so there's probably gonna be 0 push back. You know what I mean on this. But it might just be like a minor minor tweak to make it clear. Because we really wanted to make sure

[111:19] like the you know, this is. And so the don't be manary. But this is where I felt like her input was so helpful as a newer panel members, because, like we didn't, we don't want panel members to kind of feel like she felt when she came on right like we want them to come on and have the tools and feel supported and and really feel like they are in a position to make decisions on votes at their first meeting. Right? And so this is I. I'm just sharing that as the context of why we put that in there, and why it's so kind of explicit. But your tweak that you're asking for is consistent with that thought process. Yeah, cause I do. I really appreciate that, because that's one of those things. You know, we when the panel first forms we created that Education Committee. Because we were.

[112:08] It was impressed upon us that we would be educ. We would be training each other. And so it is. It really it is really helpful that to have that flushed out. But then also to maintain that power, that if if there's something we need to learn, we? We can. We have access to it. Yeah. you know, hopefully, you're not mad at me. But yeah, sold it out. Yeah. no. I just wanted to add that we we really put a lot of thought into this this specific conversation. And if you notice in in the version I mean in the in the proposed changes there is, gonna up timeline to having the training before voting, and even that has a timeframe. So this shouldn't happen. And and everyone should be

[113:10] under toes. Basically that that's kind of why, why, we got to the other thing that we haven't talked about. That's in there that came from the work group is allowing the city manager to give an excused it like if someone needs more time or didn't complain like the city manager can it says, may excuse or grant an extension to a panel member for completion of the training. So we left. You know what I mean that as cause life happens right like. So we left that we put that in there. So that, you know, for if there was something that happened that it didn't. It didn't cause a negative impact to for that panel number questions, comments, panelists. I was gonna note, too. Just so you all know from the governance side.

[114:04] you know, and and since we have a member of the press on in relation to moving the Independent Monitor away from be to a liaison away from being a member of the panel. Part of that also has to overlap with the open meetings. Law, we've talked about this before. And so as a Co. Chair representing that viewpoint that that Ca, that's been prohibitive in some instances where the co-chairs needed to have an an urgent meeting or a private meeting with the Monitor to effectively conduct our business. Now, at the same time, I as a member of governance, I want to remind you that one of the things will be coming up if this ordinance is approved. Is an amendment to our bylaws about the cochairs disclosing those meetings to the panel. And so we wanna maintain transparency in that process while also gaining that ability to have urgent emergent meetings with sherry. Or, you know, with the monitor but then also maintaining transparency with y'all, and and that goes across the board that anytime the cochairs

[115:05] would have a private meeting with anyone in the city that we would in a timely effective and timely manner, keep you all up to date about what's happening in those meetings. So just wanted to address that, too. Another question. Yeah, Victor. So worst case scenario, right? Always like to plan a be practical. So what if the city Council just rejects all of this? Where does this leave us? Do we just move forward and say, Well, we tried, or what happens? If they reject everything we propose. So I. So we probably have to re like II would wanna know specifically what they don't like right? And see if I can address address those. And I and I made a commitment to the work group that if, like things went left, we're coming back right, and everybody was open to coming back, so I would probably get get specifically what

[116:07] Council does not like or wants to see change, and I would reach out to the work group and say, Hey, I need. We need a meeting. We need to group back. This is the feedback from the Council. We need to do a take 2 and then, you know, resume our meetings, and then kind of seeing what we can fix and do it. A Redraft that it's probably what what will happen? And I got 100 commitment from every work group member to come back. If if something like that were to happen. That's a perfect answer. So thank you. I wanna iterate, too. So we have a role in this as well. Our voices matter a lot in this process, and so I do encourage us all to carefully review this to make sure it's something we want to put our name on because it's time to put our name on it. We have our city Council's phone numbers and email addresses. And we can communicate our support effectively to them as well. And it's important for us to communicate our support at our upcoming community meetings.

[117:09] This is this is our big opportunity to make sure Fara and the working group have done so much work on this. And so I think a big component of this now is the rest of us now, taking this over the finish line. To make sure anything lingering that that we wanna address to make sure that happens, and that with no qualms. We go out in the community and make sure the city council knows we want this past and so yeah. So don't hesitate to reach out to city council. We got their emails. We should use them while while we well, we can. Some of them will reach out to you, too, because they're gonna want opinion. So I think it'll go both ways. and if I remember correctly, I haven't looked at it in a week or 2. But I believe in what I'm presenting to Council. There's a section specifically for panel member, feedback

[118:03] and so I can, you know, put something together. Work with, you know, Danielle and Hadassah on on what? Specifically you would want me to include in that. Don't hold me on that because I haven't looked at it in a week or 2, but I believe there's a panel feedback section and what I what I'm supposed to provide the Council. That'd be great, Farrah, and I think, and I and I'm planning, and any any other panelists, if you're interested planning on being at the the City council. public feedback segments for those meetings, as well to to speak up and and and support as well. So keeping that in hello, hands sherry, Sally Dodd, and then Lizzie Sherry. First do people anticipate that the any city Council members will be in attendance at either the virtual or the in person community event next week. I don't think so, though II think that would be pretty abnormal. Yeah.

[119:02] that's my own judgment call. I should say that. That's purely a personal opinion. But III haven't seen city council at those kinds of meetings. Yeah, fully done. Yeah, II just wanna say that the way that we we work in the work group it was really. And and II guess my invitation will be ask you review the the proposed changes in detail. It's really I will invite you all to try to think that this is an ordinance that's gonna stay for a while. and it doesn't reflect each person individually. So it's done in a way that it's not us. It's not me. It's not Daniel as a Co. Chair. It's not the chief of police that we have today is how this is gonna work for not pass. For, you know, it's like kind of thought.

[120:01] subtracting ourselves from the process. So it's a sustainable process. In time, you know, and and that when we had difficult conversations in the work group really help to kind of bring us down. This is not about this chief or this, you know, Panelist is about that chief that can be here this year next year in 2 years. and their panel that might be us or might be someone else. So so yeah, that don't wanna throw that invitation out there as you're reviewing the documents. Fantastic. Thank you. Thank you, Lizzy. Yeah, I don't necessarily have specific feedback yet. But I'm really looking forward to to going through this more carefully. I just wanna say, Per and work group. II really appreciate this presentation and and all the clearly great amount of time and consideration that went into this. I'm like over here, furiously trying to read all these changes, and I like so much of what I've seen. So just thank you to all of you who took that on.

[121:06] I'm just curious to. And maybe this is getting ahead of us a little bit. But you know optimistically, if we assume that this is gonna be implemented pretty soon. What does that look like in terms of transitioning to the new ordinance for the existing panel is there? Are we applying new policies right away? I'm just curious with like term limits and training. And what that would look like. So, for example, it's it's relevant to to the terms. So like, for example, if it is approved on the nineteenth. then the selection process will be the new selection process that's approved on the nineteenth. It will not be the the old process so essentially. If if it's approved as is, it will then go to the city manager who will create an advisory committee and boom! Boom! Boom! And then you know that that that will take that route now more in the weeds. Your your terms are your terms. So new new appointed panelists will have the 4 year, you know, 4 year, Max. 4 years. Right? So it's not retro

[122:07] proactive. It's prospective. And so yeah, so that I hope that answers your question. II know Daniel has put us on notice at least a couple of times that we will have a very specific, probably more detailed training. I don't know if I'll do it. I think you requested legal to do it. On the the the nuances, and the details of of the ordinance so sharing, I will probably, in anticipation of that, organize that I imagine it'll probably be sometime in November, so we do it like within 30 days of approval. So that that'll be something. It's not in the works now, but it will be cause we just have to get over this. But we're you know. You've told us at least 2 or 3 times, and now I've heard you and we are. Gonna you know what I mean. We're good. We're definitely gonna do it. It's on the list of things to do for sure. So that you feel again. This is really more about support and feeling like you are in a position of having the tools that you need to do this job. That is very difficult. So we will definitely do that.

[123:06] Thanks, farah. And yeah. And I, wanna Lizzie, I wanna acknowledge, too, it is going to be a little bit of a dance here. So our moratorium ends October twentieth, and so we need to keep that in mind that October twenty-onest are our full business. and and I should say our full responsibility and accountability to the public resumes and that's important for any committee chairs holding your committee meetings after that. But before our general meeting, your work resumes October 20 first, and so, wherever the the new ordinance passing happens as well, we need to keep an eye on that. You know, we may resume work before the new ordinance goes into effect. And so it's just to keep an eye on on those things, and if you have questions, concerns, of course, you know, reach out to me or Dasa at any time. Reach out to sherry any time. Aaron, our city attorney, is also always available to but yeah, to reiterate. I I've been insistent. Thank you, farah and sherry for putting up with me about this legal training. We want to do a full in depth

[124:04] re legal training on the ordinance, especially now that we have sherry on board, to to be able to engage directly with her in a a space where we can ask those questions of our legal counsel and the monitor to make sure we understand our our business going forward, but it will be a little dance for for potentially a couple of weeks. There, where where things are are one. Things past. Something else has happened, but we're still moving along. But you should. You all should be keeping an eye on a October 20, first date, and keeping in mind, too. That's when we will resume reviewing cases and and then would resume voting on cases to to do a full review on. Yeah. So keep an eye out. It's gonna be. It's gonna be a fun. Couple of months. Milan. Yeah, thank you. I just wanted to say that last community meeting there was no city Council members because there was a older progressive events for future candidates. However, II did go there after our community events, and several of them said that they would have been there had they not been involved with that event with the prolifer. So I think because what has happened recently, or this year, you know, it's

[125:20] They're interested and being more involved. and with elections coming as well. I would, I would guess it might show up. Ii also wanted to say yes to more training. I'm still looking forward to actual trainings in person, if possible, and and learning more. I really feel the need for that myself. I also wanna say thank you. And everybody else who is involved. I really so appreciate the thoughtfulness and intentions you put into this. Ii really feel I'm really grateful for all the work you've put into this I

[126:11] I really don't know how you did it. But it's just amazing to me that that we have at first sight such a good and thorough new ordinance and changes. So thank you so very much. It means a lot to us here or to me as a panelist. But I think you'll mean a lot also to our community and the people we are here to serve. So thank you. Minutes left here any other final thoughts? Y'all questions. Farah. Did you have any other final things you wanted to add?

[127:01] I can. Just if there's a couple of minutes I can just give you. We did add a couple of things in the obviously my focus for the presentation today was the panel side. But there are a few changes on the Monitor side. We obviously added the critical incident. Part. we added, giving the Monitor the authority to review, to refer any potential misconduct of public concern to the panel. That authority also the authority to do audits, and whatever report. That comes from the audit would go to the panel for the panel to review and provide feedback. Obviously. things there were. and minor stuff. But wanted to just note that the bigger changes are obviously on the panel side. But I also, you know, want to be very open to to the panel like when you have an opportunity to sit down and really read it. If a question comes up, please write it down. Don't lose the thought, send me an email, because I really want you guys to feel comfortable like I'm going to. My contract will end. And I'll be, you know, in DC Chillin. And you guys will be doing the work. So I want you to feel that you're comfortable and really well versed in this ordinance

[128:21] and understand kind of what the sweat and tears went into it. So II really don't want any hesitation with any question, however big. Because you will be living with this document, and it's really important to the commitment that you made to serve. So for me, it's really important that you understand it and feel confident and comfortable with it. So I just wanna encourage you to reach out to me. With any question. Or if you just wanna kind of talk it through. I am 100 available to do that. Thank you, Sarah. We still have a couple more meetings. But.

[129:02] gosh! It's been great working with you. You're you're pretty, you're incredible. And it's been. It's been great working with you. Thank you for all of the work you've done. And we'll see you next week for more cool. Any other final thoughts. I we will just double check, really quick. With public comments. So we'll oh, sherry. Yeah. Oh, I just wanted to say I have some name badges on my desk. so none none of them say my name. By the way, so when it I I'll I will really hopefully remember to bring them to the in person engagement. So any panelists who are there can get their can get their badge. So then you can't hide amongst the crowd. But people can seek you out. That'd be awesome. Thank you. Sheri. Cool means so we'll we'll officially open it up for public comment. And so just a for a a reminder. We hold public comment at all of our general monthly meetings even though we don't hold always have Co public comment. During our committee meetings members of the public are offered 2 unimpeded minutes to comment, and if there is an interruption or loss of connection, we will stop

[130:16] and rest stop the clock and make sure they get there full time we will allow every member to unmute themselves and let us know if they would like to give comment. And with that I'm going to go ahead and sorry. lost my screen. I'm going to go ahead and unmute amber oh, thank you. Someone was already ahead of me. Amber, would you like to give public comment this evening. Thank you. I'm just listening, but I appreciate it. I figured. Thank you so much for being here, Amber. We really appreciate your coverage and attention to our work. Oh, of course, thanks for having me and with that any final business panelists.

[131:00] or would we all like to get on with our sleepy evening. Thank you all so much for all of your work. I know this has been a wild few months. Thank you for your work on the case reviews. There were a lot this month. flow. And, Michael, if if we don't see you again, I just want to officially thank the Oir group for all of the work you've done for us and for staying on. When we did our second second go around with finding a new monitor. I it has just been. Truly, I've learned so much from you, and it has been. and a hundred to work with you on this, with your national perspective and your incredible experience. I just II count myself blessed to have gotten to work with you. And just II think the boulder community is significantly better for your presence. Over the the last few months. So thank you. And with that thank you all for being here. Have a lovely evening, and we will see you soon for more fun and adventure.

[132:02] Thanks, Daniel. Bye, everyone, bye.