June 9, 2022 — Police Oversight Panel Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] just getting us. always get. getting started, as usual, starting with our land acknowledgement, we acknowledge the arapaho you in cheyenne tribes. The traditional custodians of the land on which the police oversight panel and boulder police department operate and pay our respects to their elders past and present i'd like to welcome. Any members of the public were with us today, and then, of course, to welcome our panel men panel members to our meeting and just want to thank everyone for being here. And just making space for a moment of of how much it takes to be here as the Community volunteers and especially in this moment I know we also have the first hearings for the June six. insurrection happening tonight as well, in addition to a lot of things on our minds. that's just going on in our Community, and so I just want to thank you for making time for for this work this critical work for our Community and being here being present to do that work and also just want to acknowledge that we've.

[1:10] been some pretty rough cases recently as well, I know, Joe is also looking into some options for us of support for when we do go mental health support emotional support, for we do rough cases, and so I want to acknowledge that and bring that to the space as well in that gratitude. for members of the public, please go ahead and direct any comments or questions you have to the Q amp a part of our zoom please do not put questions or comments in the chat and that's just because. we're just watching the Q amp a, and so we don't want to miss anything and then panel members anything that you want to communicate to the panel generally. Please make sure to voice that out loud, however, totally okay to drop personal chats if you need to slip something to joey or to another panel number going feel free to put those personal chats into the chat.

[2:05] also want to direct members of the public on how to submit complaints against the boulder police department and how to contact the panel outside of these meetings. Our web address is boulder colorado.gov forward slash services forward slash police dash oversight and from there, you can submit a complaint. which goes to Joy, which triggers and initial review and investigation and then is brought to the panel. Also, for the time being, you can contact the party that's Li P ar I J at boulder colorado.gov to reach the panel with any email communications, I will know. joey and Arielle and I talked oh gosh that was only yesterday, just yesterday, we are going to get the. panel's contact email address posted to the website and panel members for the time being, while we get to where we wait to get to our media training.

[3:05] Arielle and I are going to review in receive any emails to that email and then we'll distribute them to the panel as needed or respond as needed, so we are getting that posted. Next up we'll go ahead and just read through our agenda for this evening. So far, June meeting next step we're going to approve our last month's meeting notes, then we're going to pop over to our committees chairs for any reports from our communities. were having a discussion about our retreat planning for this summer, in addition, some media train and then we're going to have a discussion of our quarterly meeting with the chief. Chief Harold which we just had this week as well, and then we'll turn that over to joey. For the monitors report, which is going to include some 2021 and world report highlights we're going to report on our outcome of case reviews. And look at our monthly case statistics, then we'll go ahead and do our panel selection of cases to review and then we'll turn that over to public comment.

[4:10] So. Excuse me just one, though we had added two additional agenda items after the committee reports, the discussion on increasing the number of panel members and the discussion on opening the panel application process. I have that on my agenda here if you don't have it on yours, I can make sure we get those when we get doing. awesome thanks sure and yeah just it's it's not on the agenda that is in. The June 2022 meeting folder. that's the one I sent the update directly to your and I didn't replace it on the folder my apologies. The accurate one is posted on the website as well. gotcha yeah. Great Let us proceed them. committee reports let's start with Community engagement and Communications Committee.

[5:09] victor. share my screen or co host. All right, can everyone see that. yep okay um. So the communication, the Community engagement committee is headed by tisha Adams and i'm The co chair Victor King so just want to give you some. Free updates. And I will put this link into the chat but the annual report has been released.

[6:01] I just looked on our website and it's not it's not up there right officially. yeah it's there. Okay, I didn't see a different link to post, so if there's a better link to post on this link and. we'll get that updated. and live a broader discussion about it later, I just wanted to have it in our presentation, so that the public at it. yep and I just put that in the chat for the Community members so that's you know just great work by the. By this whole team was 88 page document so. It is pretty beefy. And will take some time to to get into that. We still continue. Our process for just for formalizing things, and you know gathering information, so I want to say to the panel members, only three people have responded. So i'm not going to resend the doodle poll, but if you could just search your emails for the doodle poll, if you could just get at least you know a few more responses that would really help so just a reminder about that is there anything i'm missing on this Sections I, you should.

[7:12] know we did receive some documents from the the communications department that we were able so for that document review piece, the city of boulder. Public engagement framework, and we also had an opportunity to receive some different tactics that the Communications Committee communications department excuses, excuse me uses in there. If there's more detail provided about both of those later in the presentation that folks can have after after this meeting. And we are still continuing to meet. With shana and the city's communication team, just to to collaborate with him. Absolutely, and also to align the different events and outreach that they're already doing so, instead of, for example, I saw. An update about the the report actually in the boulder Community news newsletter and so again, as things are going out that we are the our panel is brought in the loop if it's related to the panel, as well as there may be some.

[8:16] Previously scheduled engagement opportunities for the police department and the chief in particular that we may want to dovetail on or just be in alignment with. So that was another thing that we were going to be meeting with them about a definitely a collaborative spirit but also keeping our independence and autonomy. Thank you, and again just sharing the timeline that you know we still continue to adhere to and work on with our continued monthly meetings. And again really trying to decide, or just work together to. again decide which would be best, and these are a couple ideas I know some people didn't attend the Communications Committee, so you may be seeing this for the first time, but.

[9:03] This is why we had that sort of doodle poll just to sort of fallen down to some key specific things we can do in the next month or two. As the standard of that frame. Your dessert and I think that's it. yeah. And then there was one other piece that we, I just wanted to lift up if you keep going this like here, I thought was the spectrum, just for the rest of the committee members, we talked about this during the chief meeting. You know oftentimes people think of this kind of one way to engage with the public, and what I appreciated about the city's. Offering here is that they included sorry they included just different ways to engage from this information I think there's a lot of informing that's been going on. But I think, as a committee, and as a panel, we want to really move into that more consulting involving.

[10:00] This amplifying the depth of engagement, recognizing there are some folks that have time and interest to really be involved and engaged. And while others just need to be more informed, so I just wanted to kind of lift up the spectrum of ways that we can engage the things that we're considering for our fellow panelists. As we kind of draft the plans, the next step is to take all the things that we have put together a very simple high level plan for your internal review and feedback and then we'll. release it for public comment and there were really looking for again that consultation real feedback and alternatives, and you know really making sure that their concerns have been addressed, and their aspirations have been identified. Any questions or feedback from the panelists that aren't on our committee Oh, and I also wanted to thank hadassah from the legacy committee for coming over and joining us on that and I just think that was a wonderful modeling of how. You know, as on the columns really i'll try and you know, come to a governance meeting or legacy meeting as well, so that there are those stronger synergies, but it was really wonderful to have you there hadassah.

[11:11] Thank you, that concludes our report. Thanks y'all and i'll actually hand it over. For governance. Okay, so um governance, we mainly talked about guiding principles and. dealt through those we did share a document and just wanted to make sure everyone. You know, has has had access to it can get into it and doesn't have any access issues and then we'll you know kind of open it up for input and we will be finalizing. them the all of the drafts the input from legal and then also from final you know discussion about just some word smithing and some sentences that we weren't quite sure how to put you know concisely into what we wanted to say so.

[12:03] That will be at this month's meeting, it will be June 15 coming up next week and so that is again open to the public is welcome to to comment definitely welcome input. And, otherwise we will we expect to be voting on our guiding principles at next month monthly meeting, so there is any input we would love to love to see it and hear it. Thank you. Thanks it awesome. And i'll pass it over to Martha for legacy committee. Okay. So i've not created a. fancy little presentation, but I can share the email that went out with our notes, essentially, we were able to boil down the. dates and times that we're going to be meeting.

[13:03] Can you see my screen or no. No, let me see Oh, I have to be a Co host or something. Just separately, you should see it come through. Okay. Can you see that. Yes, now. Yes. So this was just kind of our notes from when the legacy matt. We establish the meeting times are going to be the fourth Thursday of the month, so the next one's not going to be until the 23rd. We talked about potential Community meetings information sharing. We considered piggybacking off of the Community or.

[14:04] meetings, but there was a little bit of debate, because that hadn't happened yet we've had like three now meetings with the chief and none with the Community, so we were wondering if we could just piggyback off on something that's coming up like the juneteenth celebration. Is the most recent thing that we were talking about that His Eminence boulder creek festival. And then oops, this is a typo so i'm going to set up some potential topic points that we discussed. or just based on some of the case review items that have come up and the one that we, like the most involved, the treatment of use and use the special needs, so we were hoping to bring that to the floor tonight. To be voted on, and there were specific instances.

[15:03] That we wanted to touch on. A few other candidates were times guns were pulled by an officer and playing flooding. The annual report came out and we've stepped out a little bit and then data maintenance, we got like very technical about data, since we have such awesome data people in this particular group so we did. All this type of do not get caught in the first time, but fixing it now. there's a general topic. we'd like to investigate and know more about that. One of the bigger things was we talked about a comment box happening to be on our website and hopefully that can be captured tonight, just so that there's a. Quick immediate indirect way to receive feedback quickly that doesn't necessarily go through you know, the process of email, and all that all those items so that's the quick and dirty of it and we're open to questions.

[16:17] The only other thing I would add Martha is just funny i'm like the so we kind of talked about like the general process based on like. The way that we would get data or the way that we would do stuff is like we would figure out like a you know consensus from Community whatever there'd be a topic selected, we would. get a collection of all of the sudden forms that are filled out or associated to those types of things and then. We can also then request the types of data so once we have a look at the types of information that is gathered related to that type of an incident, then we can kind of. Better formulate the question that we're after and then ask directed questions for the data analysis and for the Meta analysis and that kind of stuff and so that was kind of what we're thinking so far just kind of to elaborate on what Martha set and sorry go ahead.

[17:15] No, no, that was awesome and, yes, agreed on how do we build on what we are. With the events that are already existing, the question is, is what are we what collateral are we going to give what our key talking points around that, so there are some other considerations around that. But happy to maybe try and co schedule I love the you know, obviously Community forum with something or just meet and greet is where we're going on but. Again, we need to know what dates, where people are available to be able to do that so i'd say scheduling is just a major issue joey that we could use them administrative support, in my opinion. Because again it's just it's it's it has it has presented itself to be a barrier, even when we were trying to try and. Trying to identify a date for the retreat right so again I just feel like we just need that additional support not only mental health support which is wonderful, and I appreciate that but also just these administrative support as well around the scheduling.

[18:10] How you envision that support taking place, because I. i'm so I. was like what you want us what you mean by that. Okay i'm happy to so as some of you know, I also have the honor of serving on Colorado parks and wildlife Commission. Similarly, providing you know, obviously this is a different topic, but for our for our Commission there's actually like administrative support. identified like an actual staff person that works and does the meeting notes and does you know, has just been incredible as it as it relates to logistics and meeting planning and. All of those things, and it really takes off the that incredible amount of work. To allow us to really focus again because we are about volunteers and I know there is a stipend but, as you know, we've discussed that stipend doesn't even you know scratch the surface of the amount of work that we actually do and so wanting to honor our time.

[19:09] and recognizing that we aren't employees, but there's a lot of work that needs to happen, especially on the front end, I am actually envisioning. You know in some administrative support it could be a high level intern or graduate student interested in criminal studies, it could be somebody who's already on the. Staff again I don't know and that's that's why i've been asking about what is the budget for our panel, not only for our committee. For the outreach so if we're going to be doing events and those kinds of things, who are we know how much we need to know kind of what are you know what our budgets are or what the expectations for the type of levels of sort of support that we're offering was that helpful. yeah I think I think that's definitely helpful in terms of budget stuff and everything is definitely an area where we have not clarified. And so I agree that that's something that needs to be needs to be done and kind of distributed amongst the members of the panel forever and who knows, I will say that.

[20:07] In our you know meetings with the Co chairs and with with joy, we have discussed the fact that administrative support is is going to be limited right, because this is. A volunteer panel and distributing city resources here paid to the resources here is is not something that other panels and other city boards are getting. into so. That I mean is something that might be a bigger problem in and of itself, but there is going to. have to be a level of US stepping up and managing. Within and utilizing joey and having joy health but also know that our resources are limited. And that this is. A volunteer group and so. Having someone who run our calendars and our full time schedules that that's just realistically it's not going to happen, so I think. i'm testing i'm Sorry, I just want to say, like, I understand what is available now, but what i'm what i'm offering and actually, the Commission is also voluntary.

[21:06] And we actually received less compensation for the Commission, which are two full days every month, so i'm not these things aren't unprecedented. I guess i'm what i'm saying is because we're the first maybe they didn't realize how much effort, this was. I perhaps this can be resolved by expanding the number of panelists so that there's more people to absorb all of the things that we need to do so again i'm just open to, and I just want to. Make I think there's a barrier. And also would be you know I also would love, maybe we can do a panelist survey around just our feelings and reactions and recommendations, so that. You know, we can have incentive it's just me talking or just you we really can have the full feedback I think it's also something when we talked about having our meeting with the city council. And some of the other just structural things that we are experiencing. Based on this initial panels so again I don't I recognize this you know, this is a broader conversation, and maybe it's a opportunity for an agenda item at another time.

[22:00] But in the interim, I did just have a couple of topics that I wanted to add for consideration for the legacy and I was just also so I just wanted to lift those up, but again I understand that we have limits. At the same time, if this is a priority for the city, I am and again, this is it like any other panels right this panel is very specific. To a unique piece of work that this city has never even attempted before and so again, if we really want to do something with integrity. We really need to have the resources to be able to say that so i'm happy we're collecting the hours that were working, etc. But I hear you on what our limits are, but I also just want again as a taxpayer in this in this city and wanting to see this this incredible work prevail. I would be remiss if I didn't ask for these additional support, so I think it really helped to strengthen the Council, I mean the panel, thank you. I can jump in really quick on this, I think there's two components and you know to Asia, for example, with the expanding the panel size that's something we are.

[23:00] We are taking the city council and so there's this question of the growing pains for sure how do we do this work, what are the resources for that, I think. For the moment, to get through the short term into what Arielle is saying, and I think for all of us. If we have discreet and administrative tasks, I think we should go ahead and make that ask and so joey's role largely joey's. You know joey is our panel administrator in many ways and and one of the reasons we you know when like meeting notes, we asked joey not to take meeting notes, you know because we had a. You know, a conversation about subjectivity and maintaining his you know he's the independent monitor where the Community panel and so that's why cindy's here, and so, if we can identify those discrete hi Cindy, thank you for being here. I love ya I hear you I will definitely i'm not asking for every time but it's taking a year to do the retreat planning, so I mean i'm i'm not. This isn't out of nowhere, this is a pattern that i'm seeing it, not just with one person, but i've seen it with multiple people so that's where i'm happy to have Cindy.

[24:07] i'm happy to continue to work, but again, you know i'm here from the city to you know volunteer, and again I don't want to set a precedent up for other panels, to be able, you know to not be able to do the work at hand, because you know they're able to get it's just too much so. Totally. And that's where every panel Member if you have a discrete administrative task like you're like you know what I need. I need someone to find the date that seven panel Members can meet, for you know the retreat or everything send that to the Co chairs and to joey and if it's something joey can't do then that's something for us to problem solve on. So yeah any of those yeah if you're like if you have a specific administrative thing and that's going to be most helpful to if we need to expand administrative support to have that list of like well here's the 10 things you know that we that we couldn't get done ourselves. look elsewhere yeah outside cheek I do see your hand to thank you.

[25:03] yeah, I just wanted to I like what mother said that. We. Was we're cognizant of the fact that. would love the Community input on legacy issues to review, one of the issues we brought about was one which we are bringing to the larger panel here for. Possibly adoption as a research item, or that we can look into is the treatment of youth, with special needs and mental health so to kick start our work as the legacy panel. and acknowledging to that came out of a case review we did as well too yeah. I think, maybe it was mentioned that it came across in two different ones yeah at this point, and so there's been a.

[26:08] Minor trend that we've noticed even you know within the panelists that were there. I mean it's not that many cases and it's already a trend so um. You know if the. Do we want to go for a mode. Oh i'm sorry I didn't realize, we were voting right now, because if there's other things that because remember we had talked about putting together a list of all the different reviews and kind of categorizing what. Type it was so that we can kind of see those trends, over time, because I know that use of force continues to be an issue as well as. The I would even want to just if we were going to stick on the stick to the mental health support I would actually expand that from juvenile and adult because we've also seen a pattern of incidences. That happened with adult at night and crisis unit is only available during the day so that's, I just wanted to offer that Thank you.

[27:07] Thank you. yeah and I think the idea. Thank you chica for raising that and I think the reason was we kind of just wanted to have something that we started working on, while we gained more input from Community and gain more. You know, because the reality is a Meta study is probably going to be, you know, a couple of here, and so we want to kind of raise that up but. When I like it has also because it gives us something to talk to about when we get to meet and greet you like it gives us something to engage on. I just feel like oftentimes. Going back to that inform different ways of engagement oftentimes you go to these meetings and it's only inform. it's never an opportunity to really consult and collaborate and so that's why I really love having these topical items that we can kind of bring. On a quarterly your you know, again, I would also love y'all if there's an interest in exploring like how frequently are we talking about topics and.

[28:04] You know, again as we're kind of getting the first one off the. bat, but really excited about the topics that were raised, I think the juvenile compete component is absolutely relevant Thank you. So I could ask it again. Can we take it to a boat about. The legacy review committee initiating with. Potentially its first item specific to juveniles and treatment of people with mental health. items. That gets emotional. Very good. Because this point of clarification, though Martha it sounded like you said for juveniles and mental health item, so does the metal out items include adults, or is it just Is it the intersection of juveniles and mental health just wanted to clarify for the boat.

[29:02] I think for. Because there doesn't exist anything right now with specifics to juveniles, I do think that should be the concentration, but we are open to exploring where the data and information takes us. I mean, I would be comfortable doing matt, but I think for purposes of the legacy review committee it was. I think there's three specific instances that involve juveniles, in particular, that were the discussion point. If the data, you know share something different we're happy to like incorporate that as well. We just wanted to be working on something. Just okay something. Thank you. So with that motion made Arielle second all in favors hands up in the screens for us.

[30:02] 1234 majority. Thank you much done, and done Thank you legacy committee Thank you all committees getting the work on like I did set and that's actually our next part of the agenda, we are. So yeah we'll just move straight into it. I actually get. down to the comment boxes, I thought that was genius. Oh yeah. I don't know, I would just like us to remember, we had talked about just. Thinking about I mean right now, our website needs a lot of things that i'm just not sure. And the other question I have with the comment boxes, that it has to go somewhere, so I think it would still come to us via email, so I just wasn't sure, I just wanted to get some clarification around that. Martha, would you be comfortable, if you will need clarification on this writing maybe a one paragraph proposal proposal and sending it out to the panel of what you kind of are envisioning for it and how it function, and then we can vote on it over email.

[31:08] Is that doable for you. I can do that, it is totally. cool I think i'm. Sorry, oh. Sorry, any I did I sorry did I catch it was there anything else from the legacy company, I did not mean to cut you off mark. That was it, it was. Both on that, just so that we could go in that direction. I. did want to just bring up one topic that was discussed around supervisors. And there's kind of been a trend as well around just supervisors some supervisors not sustaining incidences but acknowledging that an incident happened so. In their report and that's happened at least three times so again, not for i'm still fine with a vote of starting with the youth and mental health intersection but I definitely wanted to lift that up, it was also something that we discussed in the chief conversation as well, thank you.

[32:11] yeah, so I think the one thing that you know we definitely would like to see some training or some documentation in the future about like what kinds of what are the requirements for being a supervisor being a trainer etc, etc, and then kind of we were hoping to. You know we'll we'll see what questions that brings us after that training and what a. You know where we go with that. I mean is that legacy or is that more governance, because I feel like that is happening throughout all the cases.

[33:02] yeah I mean I think yeah I think that's why it like it would start with us, adding that training to our governance, you know, like in our education requirements, we want to see some training, we want to get some collaborate and then also, I think, then, it says expand to communications with. Chief with the PV you know, maybe that is at that point where we have more. directional questions of what we can ask in terms of what what research, we want to do with legacy I think that's in my mind around but. I think that's a good approach, because it feels a little bit more. investigating our current process that we understand it, and then you can bring that to bear on future cases and potentially a policy change and so that's why, when are you know, in the sense of the legacy committee. Looking at past data it's almost the we know exactly what we want to investigate and the challenge we've seen so we can make a specific.

[34:04] Recommendation if that's If that sounds right, and so it does seem like something that you know the panel as a whole ones training on and then to discuss what we do with. yeah with what we know. Any other thoughts final legacy committee questions. awesome Thank you all thank you committee chairs and so on next on our agenda kind of prescient for our committee work. is having a discussion on increasing the number of panel members and so Arielle and I had a preliminary conversation with joey yesterday and where we kind of landed. Arielle joy feel feel free to jump in if I wonder a stray from our conversation, but we talked about was approaching City Council pretty pretty soon, because next on our agenda, we do need to open the application process.

[35:08] Since we since Jen left and she was our last alternate so we want to approach City Council and what we were thinking. is adding two panel members and so we'd be moving from a panel of nine to a panel of 11. And this was something during my understanding was this was in the preliminary discussions about what we might become the question was should this be a nine person or 11 person panel. And so it's not outside of the realm of what's already been discussed, I think we can come to that conversation very clearly, with the last year of saying look. we've been at this a year, clearly we need it's actually an 11 person job, not a nice person job in particular I think joey joey made a really good point yesterday about. quorum, you know that, if we add members of the panel then it's a higher number of panel Members that have to be present for us to meet quorum and that's one of the challenges, but I think, in particular with our committee work and our review work.

[36:07] Our review of cases, it seems clear, I think, to all of us that additional hands. would be really would be really supportive in part because a lot of us are actually doing double if not triple duty. attending committee meetings doing committee work and that may not be sustainable for future panel members, it may not be sustainable for current panel Members, and I want to make sure we make room for panel members. that no one feels pressured to do more work on committee work, then, then they can, or more than that, then we're asking of and that's an area to fill in. I think that was that that's the just joy, did I miss anything. Arielle. And so we just want to open that to discussion with y'all. Then let's left. leg. yeah Jen.

[37:00] or something. That last week and and and my understanding is. there's no hard feelings or. joy Maybe you can speak more to that. Sure yeah I just got an email from her must have been about a week and a half ago now saying that. She had just come to the conclusion that she felt like she had too many commitments and she she was over committed and sort of couldn't give her attention to the various things that she was involved in, and so, with her regrets she decided she had to withdraw. So yeah so she was our last alternate she filled in a spot that had been opened and so now we have this question. Of. How soon, do we want to start the application process, both for if you all decide to expand it to 11 but also to fill our current open seat. So yeah it was a It was unfortunate to lose Jen but she had she did contribute quite a bit in her two months here in terms of perspective and input, so it was a big loss.

[38:07] And just going to jump in here too I think something also with. Potentially expanding the panel which I think is really important is thinking about the transitions of panel members of kind of exactly what markets are sad of wouldn't you know react or. Is there an email I don't think we have a system right now for before what an onboarding and off boarding of the panelists looks like, and I think that's something that. As co chairs Daniel I can work on joey but also the panel to getting your guys's input about what what you want, that process to look like, do you want there to be a level of formality. Are we trying to have a welcome event or trying to just have a welcome email thread or joining have a good by event or join have a goodbye email. some level of systems, because I think that's something that's come up with when we've lost panelists years it just feels kind of disjointed and then we just kind of move on in my opinion, at least personally.

[39:11] And so, some kind of process, I think, is is something to consider not only for training, but also just for the cohesiveness of the panel and how we interact with one another, patient. I thought that was something that we hit discuss that the governance folks when the governance in education committees merged that they were not only doing the training, but onboarding was i'm mistaken in that. nodding. No that's that's correct yeah we. that's that's the ideas that we are going to be implementing. Some sort of. Training plan and. To be honest, that has we've been focusing on the guiding principles and pylon and that's, but we will definitely add it for the agenda for. This this next month.

[40:01] We also have a couple of other procedural things case reviews things like that that we you know some procedures in terms of how do we want to do that, so we will be digging into some of that. And maybe to yeah Thank you had gotten to that point to into what Arielle was mentioning to just with the Co chairs we're also working on. One of my upcoming tasks is to draft out kind of just a. panel Member manual like the thing like how to use zoom room setup or. You know just really super basics of things and it's something, then, that we just add to as we go into like Arielle point it's like oh. When someone comes on the panel, we want to do this when someone leaves the panel, we want to do this, just small notes about that as well you know. less about the official process of training, which I know Thank you so y'all are working on and more just kind of those those pins in the process of how we want to do things and to acknowledge to that. we've had a lot of turnover and the last year, so we're feeling a little surprised and off, but I think we can we can.

[41:03] We can embrace feeling feeling a little off because it's been a lot of turnover and that's something to as we go into the application processes to be really clear about this commitment. And what what we're asking people who sign up to do to do this work are going to be to do to hopefully reduce that turnover going forward yeah Martha. um I am able to volunteer if I can get the language from the last recruitment cycle, I can update it with kind of like the actual time constraints that we've encountered and seen just so that folks know what they're signing up for. With the actuality of. Commitment settings to then present just so that hopefully we can have that out like maybe before. Oh yeah.

[42:01] yeah. And we're going to also thank you all for updating your account means as well that's something we're going to look into that's gonna be really important to just seeing that kind of like the moving average of all the time we do as well yeah Victor and. i'm all for expanding the panel um. And also letting folks know what they're getting into now that we actually have an idea of what that looks like so i'm all for the expansion. Is this should ask does anyone does anyone have any reservations or concerns about expanding the panel. i'm the only concern I have is that it would change up the core of numbers and it's hard enough to get. Nine people anywhere. For scheduling. Absolutely Martha yeah take a shower and yeah. i'm you know, again, I think that. Getting nine people during this day and age, is also a Herculean effort so if we can do that, we can get two more, and it also goes to the commitment of those people.

[43:06] However, I also would like to ask for an increase in the backups, so I think we only have two backups right now, and I would love to increase that to for Thank you. Thank you, thank you, Sir yeah. And so i'm. Not to cause this conversation, but to move it forward in the agenda you know, the next time is talking about opening. When we want to open the panel application process and so of course in our ordinance that also means you know we are going to work, we need to work to identify the two nonprofit organizations Community organizations that we are going to bring representatives on to. The selection committee as far as timeline goes i'll just touch briefly on that. We were thinking we could go ahead and start moving on with City Council about increasing the panel, while also moving on getting applications open because those things aren't dependent on each other.

[44:09] If we get turned down or turned up it just depends on the number of people we ultimately accept to the panel and then, of course, selecting those nonprofits We just need to have them selected before we start the selection process, we can start communicating. start our outreach to actually collect applications communicating expectations all of that stuff can begin at the same time as well, selecting those organizations. As far as timeline goes what joey and Arielle and I had talked about yesterday's it's kind of a as soon as possible situation, because we are a panel of eight now and ordinance. dictates a panel of nine, and so I think you know joy, we were talking about hopefully having those Members in place by the fall yes. The new member to fill genesis. yeah yeah.

[45:02] I think the next step would be you all sort of maybe taking a vote to direct me to engage with the City Council process to increase the 11. Let me start that get a sense from the Council and the Council staff, how long that'll take to get through, and once I can give you that kind of time frame, then we can start thinking about. sort of when we get the messages out but yeah I think like you said as soon as possible. And we could start working on those messages now as well. Correct yeah and we have Martha alluded to earlier, we have a set of documents and press releases and emails and stuff from that time period, and so I can sort of resurrect all those share them with y'all and and kind of build off of those so we're not inventing the wheel, a new. Just make it a little bit better. Chico you, you had your hand or did you. yeah I had my hand but joey has addressed it because I thought, maybe we they're increasing the number needed we needed to vote on that so joey raised it that's what.

[46:10] I mean, so in that case, if there isn't any further discussion i'll just go and make the motion to direct the independent monitor to approach City Council about increasing our panel by two Members to a total of 11 and to increase our alternates from two to four. Their second for that Martha yeah. I second makes Martha all in favor hands up. Let me just give you a one point of clarification, in case you want. To consider this for the vote we had three alternates this time around, and we went through all three of those. So if you all want more before would be good, but I just wanted to make sure you all have that information that we actually went through three not just to in case that affects how you how many ultimately you want to have ultimately.

[47:06] yeah it shakes your hand. Oh no my hand was. But um but now i'm back so now i'm contemplating that question I you know I don't want to have so many alternatives, I feel I still feel like for you, if we had, for we you know that takes us for the whole year and I don't know either thoughts. Are we supposed to have a student one. So carly she goes a student and wasn't someone else current student. I was a student nope nope anymore. I also. I also think that um. Jen Sasha was actively in law school. Sasha was and Jen was as well, but that raises a good point now that she goes no longer student oreos no longer students, we should, in this next brown make sure we're putting some focus on getting to it was two students seats.

[48:06] And the two students only serve one year students serve as a one year term correct. Oh right. Oh yeah. routing every year for two new students. Okay, we have always had to sleep on the panel just because apparently we're all very scholar, by the way, i'm i'm a student again right now so. An analytics getting my Ms but to the to the point of it, you know i'm I am a full term panel Member. Who wasn't identified as a student and so there's two seats for students, that are one term each of those we we should be recruiting for every year, and so that should be part of this process is. Is is two students serving one year terms and then everyone else's serving them the full three year term. And the students can also do big they their their term is one year, but they can do to term so for a total of two years yeah yeah.

[49:05] So is there, so my question is also then now change I almost feel like we need to recruitment or applications streams, I mean I would love to have at least two and then to to student backups and then three her to do two three. Full panel backups or something like that I don't know other reactions from that I didn't I didn't realize that that was that's where we went with that. And you're saying specifically identifying student alternates. I mean like we actually because yeah I think we're we're one down. yeah. I mean one you know it's kind of it's a little fuzzy and it's the summertime so i'm almost wondering like this might be a good time to. Be recruiting for students, because the school years and it in the new fall, as you know, is beginning, so it, you know it aligns with the school year and not with the calendar year yeah yeah.

[50:01] i'm a student overtopping college student. Correct yeah. 18 year old high school student I don't know. that's what i'm trying to what are the rules my I mean yeah what are they. Saying. what's the ordinance say does say Institute of higher education. So it could be undergrad governance score, no, no. got it got it yeah, so I think, so I think for sure what that means, then, is this recruitment cycle we're doing a full recruitment style cycle for students and. And for full panel Members, I think that does put a note in for all of us that next year we may need to do just a student recruitment and in our plans for recruitment. Keep an eye on that just needs to happen more frequently than the other Members, but, but I think we're covered them for this cycle so panel members to tenacious point about.

[51:06] Identifying alternate specifically for the student positions and joy's notice of that we'd be moving from three to four do we want to stick to for. Asking asking city council for for alternate. And then I think it's up to us to identify how many of those are students and not once we get to the selection process. or. up to five. In you know to me like I feel like there could be some wiggle room I don't. and, similarly, for the nonprofit organizations for the selection committee is it say only two or at least two. I think it says, specifically to. see if there was any wiggle room anywhere.

[52:01] So five. Someone kind of motion out for five emotion out do we want to amend our previous resolution and asked joey to ask city council for to allow us to point out to five alternates. Is is there a second for that. Just do this with democracy thanks and also Martha all in favor and up. Okay, so joey if you would ask City Council up to five alternatives and then two additional panel members. i'll get that in process. The details right. And sometimes someday we'll get to work, those out in person and that'll be amazing. great and so yeah more time with the application process will be checking in regularly for sure i'll go ahead and hand it over to Arielle to talk about retreat planning and your training.

[53:03] yeah speaking of in person. retreat. um so the doodle is sent out yesterday for dates in July or August. Victor has filled it out that's it, which is fine it's been a day, so no expectations whatsoever, I would love to have responses in by next Wednesday the 15th I think that will give us some good time to plan for the end of end of June and. Again, the retreat will hopefully be I think in a city space which will identify with joey once we have a date selected it'll be from 10 to four on either Saturday or Sunday in July or August. The doodle includes kind of the rough agenda for what that will look like. There are two sessions open right now for panelists to kind of grab if they if they want to, so I would just say right now, if you have.

[54:08] A one hour hour and a half half hour session, you are thinking of, or you think would be really helpful for this retreat. kind of patient what you were saying about expectations, and I think we actually have expectations versus reality session but. um anything if you have some kind of you know team building or something along the committee's or something that you think would be helpful there's to open time slots that are free to just kind of. grab and. If I don't get volunteers will probably be going directly to people um I think also if we don't have volunteers, we can end up using those kind of more in depth committee time right, so if there's. As we just discussed like DASA in terms of onboarding off boarding, should we have a session with that with the whole panel and a dedicated our. So there's there's definitely some flexibility there The other thing is potentially having our media training there and those blocked off, right now.

[55:06] i'm going to forget the details of what we discussed with media training yesterday about it might be happening, sooner or later, so. The question was yeah because it was connected to the use of the email the collective group email. And so I think that way where we ended up was if the doodle poll ends up putting us in August, for the. retreat then that's probably too long to wait for the media training so then we'd like to do the media training sooner than that, but if we end up in like July early July, in particular for the retreat, then it may be okay, just to wait till the retreat to do the media training. Right. that's kind of where we landed. Great so. yeah again with that then. Once we have a date set next Wednesday, Thursday morning we'll be able to kind of. nail start nailing down the particulars and then the last thing i'd say is, I know it's summer I know it's a summer weekend I know that those are coveted precious things in also that this is something we've been trying to play now for a really long time and.

[56:12] i've done my best to make sure that the schedule incorporates you know. downtime with one another, also right so like getting to go to happy hour or having like a nice lunch together that there's there's time built in for this also to be a social. And fun Day, which I think, quite frankly, is something that the panel could really use this is fun with one another, and not just being on. And, and so keep keep that in mind, but I know it's a big asset in terms of time, but that we are doing our best to make sure that it's you know, balanced and collected in terms of of not just feeling like another work day added on. So please rearrange your schedules do your best to make things happen if you're seeing a certain date work a lot, and you have.

[57:01] You know something that day if you can try your best to reschedule that that would be helpful, because we really want to get as many panelists present as possible, so. I think that's kind of it in terms of that next on the agenda, or I should ask does anyone have any kind of comments on that or do you want to wait to. discuss till after. The doodle solidified. Okay, great well with that let's do our break actually now and then we'll come back and I think next is discussion of the quarterly meeting with chief Harold which most of us were present so back in five is already doing 10 five. Okay i'll see you guys back here at 730 but. And I hope. five minute break. Our discussion of the meeting with the chief I think this is kind of just a free for all conversation that kind of thoughts and feelings of how you felt at when if there were.

[58:10] topics that you were glad to address topics that should have been addressed more in depth and I actually my first comment is. I thought the the hybrid model of us some of us being there virtually and some of us being in person, I was a little bit worried and I think. actually worked really well that people virtually were able to ask questions and participate in that. Those of us in the room, are able to bring them in and so i'm just knowing that for the future sorry about my dogs and for the future, we can we can keep that going, if need be, and that it it works pretty okay. yeah, I just wanted to say i'm. Like. For that period of time, we could have got more stuff done um and it seems like she has a skill to talk and answer questions in that fashion so it's almost seemed to me like.

[59:12] If she can answer these questions beforehand, and then we could discuss her answer versus a 15 minute spin on other things like each question shouldn't be a 25 minute. thing right so just to be more professional or moderated to say look you got three minutes to answer this question. Everyone else in the room got two minutes, and so we can get along things and and move it along because. It shouldn't take eight months to ask 15 questions or 12 questions, whereas we're averaging three questions, a session so that long winded dialogue is nice but it's also that's not what we're there for so I like to get to the meat and potatoes and really get to the hardest issues so. An idea is she provides a response beforehand, and then we can discuss that. response because again we've only asked a handful of questions ourselves right and i'm sure we have more than seven questions from this group, and so we could say here here's 15 questions.

[60:11] US which we'll talk and we'll talk about you know the most relevant ones was just my thoughts on that. I think that's a great thought I also think we could have a timekeeper signed actively during during the session, who. Ever knows, is going to interrupt so maybe it's a little bit less you know kind of like for our public comment that it kind of replicates that right so someone's keeping time and says time and then. Does the same for panelists responses, because I think your idea is great, but I think sometimes if it could still spin out with someone's you know conversation style. And that, having that designated person might just be a helpful role to have so I agree we can get through a longer agenda. I think we're starting to know her style right like she's you know unflappable can be flustered last time she met us or dog just died right and she just met us and then she's able to eat and eat food and have a good conversation right so she has those skills, but.

[61:12] You know who's going to say hey chief can you just. You just give us the answer right, so I want to be respectful but also like I want to get to the other things, and here are the things he has to say and it's not. it's a public event but it's not a media event, so I feel her answers are coming off more polished, then I would like in some situations and not really even space for that back and forth. I love the idea of having offering the meeting the questions in advance, then at you know, asking for right written responses and I do think that that will open it up. i'll also say it was really helpful as we're assuming so getting to know her to get more nuanced response to get to have broad you know what.

[62:01] I think the questions and the pace will increase, as we all get to know each other, build that trust, and it is a public meeting so you know. Any you know the public can come, and so I I don't I don't anticipate it being an informal meeting because it is open to the public, so I just wanted to offer that and I will say just from the positive components, I did appreciate. deputy chiefs. fern. Reference Thank you read for. Joining that meeting, we did have a question about is our other officers invited to those meetings and not just the chief and the deputy. I also really appreciated her thoughts on trying to prevent. You know, really focusing more on on moving the. department more into a prevention, instead of where it is but it's primarily responsive, which I appreciate it, and she offered up a couple of examples that.

[63:02] You know from the I hop and just the moving beyond or we're just going to station more police's police officers there or patrol the. neighborhood more but rather doing an investigation recognizing that there were some limited staffing that exacerbated the issue, working with the business. owners to make you know, to support the staff and then to see those rates come down so again I I appreciated the opportunity to hear some of the strategies that she has but also the way that they're implementing it right now. You have to say it's interesting those two strategies around homeless hotspots right like those. Public health issues, you said, the I hop had the most service calls in the entire city. it's the only 24 hour restaurant in the city So where are people supposed to go out of certain hours right or the the circle K. Much of the bus the bus station they accept food stamps it's blocks from the library it's blocks from all these centralized things that unhealed people can access so.

[64:07] You know her top two concerns and we solve those problems but they're also around they're strictly around the House community, so I didn't say anything about that, but that's just an. Interesting reflection on what's what's taking up their bandwidth and just how that's you know just how I see that. And she lifted that up Victor remember at the last meeting. that we had with her just how much that that announced component and how you know she really was hopeful to have more so support from social services and. recognizing that that's not what the police are there to do that there that their their expertise that other agencies have, and you know that support wasn't available to the police for the you know her, she did not have the discretion. To use those funds for that, and only for the policing so. i'm hopeful that you'll raise that again and we can continue, I will perhaps as a legacy conversation as well, thank you.

[65:05] sounds like I missed out on a good meeting. um. gosh I have such strong thoughts about. How the homeless population is treated. Especially because there's so many like innovative ideas like safe lots or pop ups, where it's one night at a particular parking lot that can be remedied and then you clean out in the morning, so you can have some dignity in the process. there's there's a variety of ideas, and I still can't comprehend that there's so many dog parks here and there's no people parks.

[66:01] Okay, any other thoughts. I just want to support. I think that it's been great having the conversations with the chief the way that we've been having that I definitely. would support having some sort of and it looked like I mean we had she had her questions beforehand, she had an answer written down. So you know if she could kind of share with us what she had written and then we kind of are talking about you know the responses and the questions and that kind of thing, I think that that's a great great format, I fully support it, thank you. As as an attorney I want to flag that we might get pushed back on that from whoever. advises her as well right that putting anything in writing that's informal but she's. Pretty official position is always a risk to do, and so that we need to be mindful that we could very well get pushback on that and that's going to be um.

[67:02] I mean that if I was her lawyer, I would, I would say don't don't right but um and that's just because it's it's not a formal statements it's an informal statement that she's making to the panel and so. If that's the route we go, I think we would also need to figure out some safeguards to have the whether this is completely. Confidential but then to public meeting there's just gonna I think there's gonna be some hurdles we run into that into with that and so that's just going to fly to keep in mind. it's a really good point I really do, and I think you're right that an attorney would probably have something to say about that the other other way, I could play out is the Attorney could end up reviewing what she writes ahead of time and then like. make it more illegal response than a actual. interaction with you all. Day yeah, that is, that is something to consider yeah. So I think. It sounds like everyone's on the same page that they we'd like to see more things covered in in the meetings with the chief and it's just about a.

[68:03] how we go about approaching that and I think this is a great idea and it's just want to have to see if it's actually feasible within the confines of the system or working in. Chico. yeah i'm just scratching my head when you when you talk about the legal aspects because. Again, I am. I found that to be quite open and and that if if we let us pick our mind, we probably will get more out of her than if you go the scripted route where it's everything is wrote you know, so we gotta be careful what we're asking for you. yeah I agree, I think that's that's um it could talk more rehearsed right rather than then off the cuff, in some ways, so definitely definitely something to consider.

[69:04] One option, I would throw out there just for y'all to consider that if, since you all have expressed this I can. Just tell her before the next meeting that hey the battle wants to try to cover a lot more questions this time. So they requested that you kind of keep your answers a little more focused and narrow split you know specific to the immediate question and we see how that goes, and if that doesn't make it better or doesn't accomplish what you all want to accomplish, then we can. Try to develop a different method that's just an option just offering that as a possibility. All right, well with that, I think we will move on to such cases to review everyone did ever get a chance to review cases Daniel it looks confused. monitors report. First, oh i'm sorry I skipped you joey.

[70:03] So I have i'm gonna be doing these these two. to report to essentially three topics in. two reports just using some slides just to kind of make it go a little smoother and clearer for everyone for the public as well, so you're not just kind of listening to my voice. The first thing we wanted to do tonight for our we do have one member of the public still with us i'll just do a quick run through of the highlights of the annual report. that's now posted and then i'll have another slide that goes through our recently completed cases and our case statistics for this past month, so i'll try to do this. Pretty efficiently just in the interest of time, but if there any questions or anyone needs me to stop to for any reason. just raise your hand and i'll try to watch all the images to here, to see if anyone raise their hand. But just for I remember the public just some quick highlights in this annual report focuses on.

[71:02] processes and procedures, all the processes and procedures that have been developed by the panel over the past year, the training that they've been engaged in the subcommittees that they've created. The report also provides a copy of the memorandum of understanding and a description of the men of the mo you that. The panel and I signed with the police department that governs when the monitor gets notifications for critical incidents. We have all the policy and training, recommendations and the end or report that the panel has made throughout 2021. A lot of complaint data some graphs and charts so you can understand what just by looking at the data sort of some of the contours of. Of what was happening with the complaint universe, and then we have a large section of the report back to the the largest section of the report is on the case summaries, so you can actually read. summaries of all of the cases all the complaints that were filed last year, and what the outcomes were and what the panel's recommendations were.

[72:06] If you if you're not familiar with that system we have a little explanation that allows you to sort of track what happens to a complaint, when you file it. there's a deeper explanation in the annual report about this process, but just wanted to make you aware that that's there as well. In terms of the policy and training recommendations that the panel made there were two around use of force one specifically around use of force in juveniles second month specifically around neck were strengths. Then we had to other policy and training recommendations around orders of protection and reminding officers about certain. Steps they need to take when they are verifying or protection and then also making sure that victims of. Crimes specifically sexual assault victims are making sure that they're receiving the victims advocate services and notice of those services consistently.

[73:07] Some highlights from the data from the complaint realm we had a total of 58 complaints filed in 2021 56 of those were. misconduct complaints and two of those were serious misconduct complaints. And all of those complaints that what you're seeing there was a total of 88 allegations at separate allegations so each complaint can have you know multiple allegations. Out of those Ada allegations 16 or sustained which comes to 18% sustain rate, which is a pretty solid sustain rate of seeing them range from anything from point 01 percent to 25% on the upper end so 18% this is pretty solid. just some of the some of the data from the. Complaints in terms of demographics.

[74:03] And we have two slides here there's there's more graphs and charts in the report, I thought, these were some of the key ones can see how the complaints are distributed across the population of the police department. And we did have four officers that had more than two complaints so three officers and three complaints and we had one officer that actually had five complaints, two of which were sustained. it's like I said there's more charts and more graphs that's just a little bit of taste and it's sort of an invitation to our member of the public to check it out. And here's also how you can file a complaint, you can do it directly online or you can contact me at my email. Or at the professional standards unit email address as well, and on our website, we have my phone number listed as well if you need to call and talk about a complaint before filing it or if you just have questions.

[75:03] Any questions or comments from the panel Members just I know that you've all seen the report already digested it. Any comments, I just wanted to open a little space here before I jump into the cases reviewed and the monthly case statistics any thoughts comments on the annual report. And just wanted to lift up the conversation we had in the communications outreach meaning on lifting up leveraging some of those strategies. to elevate and amplify the annual report, I know, there was a limited release of the annual report and in the outreach and communications meeting we had requested a more robust. amplification of this report, since this is the first of the of the panel and really how important it is not to follow up and continue the momentum. There was a lot of fanfare when the committee was first established, but this really is where the rubber is meeting the world, and so you know I know Victor we had discussed potentially.

[76:10] You know, working with the with Shannon and the Department on additional ways that we can lift this up, it may be an interview or a blog or an opinion piece, this is kind of lifts up the top of the press release. Where our co chairs Daniel and Arielle already identified and really have some of the key points that we want the public to know. But not you know I appreciate this first lift it was wonderful to have it in the newsletter that I got last week and my home. But again just really trying to diversify all the ways and potentially to help you some of this information to help recruit new Members as well, I just want to lift that up. They get that right victor.

[77:03] Okay there's no other comments so move into the June cases and the completed cases so just for the members of the public to be aware of the panel, as a group. Since our last meeting in May has review three hours because I should second up the full case robot case file reviews of three cases. We currently have we just went through several that we have now been. The recommendations have been completed by the panel there's one or two others we're still waiting finished, but. We have actually for that are with the department right now the department just recently received and so next month, we should have the outcomes of those. For this month, I can report out the outcome 404 in my 20 2204, this was an incident that involved a warrant arrests of a Member of the House Community here in boulder it was a call that officers were dispatched to from a member of the public.

[78:09] When the officers arrived, they said, there was a warrant there was some verbal and physical resistance during the attempt to detain the individual ultimately officers apply to leg restraint. That part of the the The case of the complaint, the panel exonerated the officer on in terms of this decision to make the arrest. And, which was the source of the complaint was about police authority and wasn't a legitimate arrest. So the panel did exonerate the officer on that indicating that they felt the arrest was proper. But the panel did raise a concern about the officers hand gripping the back of the individuals neck, for a period of the arrest, I think it was about. 10 seconds or so and kind of went back and forth between the back of his head and the neck, and so the panel picked up on that and decided to reiterate the.

[79:06] Previous committees recommendation that the full panel ultimately made and, as we saw in the annual report. Around Claire clarification of what the general orders manual means by a neck restraint and so the department has responded to that recommendation. And indicated that they are still in the process of updating that language so that that is in the works when that gets done, I will notify the panel about that. In terms of our case statistics for the month of May, we had a total of four complaints filed. Three of those were misconduct, and one was a serious misconduct those will some of these most of the I think all of these are in your case summaries that you reviewed tonight. that's will be voting on and just a few minutes so far in June we received one complaint and one Community inquiry, there are currently 16 open cases.

[80:07] chair or co chairs, that concludes my report. Usually. And now we will go to K summary sorry for jumping the gun. Did ever get a chance to review. All of the case summaries for today. That are, for these are all also for me so. Great sorry just bringing them up. And then i'm just to remind the public if there are no there's a still on but on that these are case summaries they're not complaint summaries and so it's just a high level overview. For the panel to determine if we're going to move forward and review before kind of getting into the substance of all the other evidence available to us so.

[81:04] Our first one for me is Am I 2022 zero 11, and this is an allegation of a role for respect for others violation and roll six use of force violation show of hands, if you would like to review this case. Okay. and T shirt that's the at the end yeah come in great thanks Joe did you get that perfect. Okay, moving on to this is sm 2022 003 and the violations alleged our role one. Oh it's three counts of roll one violation to rest standards vehicle pursuits and body worn cameras policy.

[82:03] So, all in favor of reviewing. 2022 003. Okay, and those against reviewing and ended up with a person sorry. You. Next, we have, am I 2022 zero 12 and an alleged role five police authority and public trust violation show of hands of those who'd like to review. I would like to review it and I think we need that items translated from French. If possible. see what it says.

[83:05] They weren't read those items. they're not actionable. items. In the in US law. And I don't know if we even have the document, she was just kind of showing it to the officer and then kind of walked away with it. But that wouldn't be something that. You all would have to make a determination on necessarily like. What was in the documents it would just be a matter of whether the officer was reasonable in their. interaction and decision making, you wouldn't have to make it like a legal determination not necessarily whether it was. Who was legally right. I actually think it's an. Access issue with regard to language and language availability to people who are here, potentially. here. So she spoke English it was just the document was was in French.

[84:04] And it was from a French Court. Which wouldn't really apply, but if let's say if you all send us to review. It may I may have like asked her for that document, if she wants to share that. So I can't promise that I can promise that I will make an effort if we'd sit if you all send this one to a hearing, I will try to get more clarity on that, but that I don't think that document was actually submitted, so I don't think we currently have possession of it. So she'd have to share it with us. Okay, so let's see a show of hands again for those who would like to. Review, so this is 2022 zero.

[85:04] And those against. Thank you everyone moving on to our last for me this is. And it's an alleged roll one violation, so all panel Members who would like to review, please show of hands. And against. OK. OK so just confirming, I have a panel sending case 011 to a panel review and. serious misconduct.

[86:00] 003 to a panel review and not sending. 012 and 013. yep that's. That is correct um okay so before we move on to our our last item which is public comment is there any other business or items that panelists want to flag or bring up for. Future agendas, or just things that were discussed, let me get that for a second. We did mention in our committee meeting that the stipend was increased so I don't know if everyone knew about that. yeah thanks for that I can give a real quick update on the budget front so. We put into the budget requests this budget request cycle 10,000 additional 10,000 for outreach so that will essentially be our budget for our outreach activities.

[87:00] We raised the travel funds for the nickel conference to, or we requested to raise the travel funds from. For the neko conference from 3000 to 10,000 to include two panel members to go to the conference, and then we requested. Raising the stipend from 100 to 200 for regular panel members and the 250 for the co chairs. So those requests are working their way through not sensing any pushback. But they still still have to go back go through the full Council approval process, which I think in July that should be completed so i'll be able to report out one way or another. We do have a small amount of funds for outreach activities now so don't feel like we have to wait for this budget, the past before we can start doing things on the outreach front, but yeah I do think we're going to get the stipend raised 250 for the co chairs. Okay. Well, with that and we can move on to public comment so every member of the public everything we have one on will be asked if they'd like to comment and unmuted to answer you'll get two minutes unimpeded to speak and if there's an interruption or lack of connection o'clock we'll stop.

[88:18] i'll give you a verbal notice at 20 seconds and then joey will meet the feet at two minutes and no obligation to speak, but if you'd like to think a pinckney, the floor is yours. Daniel do you mind bringing up the clock night I have so many tabs open. Thank you. Just for the member of the public who's listed as a. pimp pimp key pick me, excuse me. If you're still there, and would like to if you have any comments or questions feel free to unmute.

[89:07] All right, yeah I don't think that there was so you're saying thank you no questions all right, thank you for being here. Great perfect. um well with that, that concludes our business for this evening Thank you so much for being here. cheeto I see just a muted, maybe it's just to say your goodbyes. With your goodbyes. the nicest voice ever so maybe she goes to the exit every meeting for us all. So thank you all, and I know we have kind of a busy summer coming up with retreat and committee meetings so much appreciate it, thank you. He go, can you read us a bedtime story. Really.

[90:01] A good night. good night everyone.