May 12, 2022 — Police Oversight Panel Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] Okay. So we will start off our meeting as we always do, by acknowledging the arapaho you in cheyenne tribes the traditional custodians of the land on which the police oversight panel. And boulder police department operate and pay our respects to their elders past and present and i'd like to welcome. The public to our meeting, we really do value your input and we will have public comment at the at the end of tonight's meeting. And then, of course, I want to welcome panel Members for being here and for everyone who's here jovi the public panel Members just acknowledging. there's a lot happening in the world there's a lot happening in our personal lives and just expressing the gratitude for everyone being here to make time and space for this essential work for our Community. I will three members of the public if you have any questions or comments, please use the q&a.

[1:00] To get those to us, we won't be checking the chat we will be checking the Q amp a panel members i'm wondering if there's someone who could keep an eye on the Q amp a tonight, usually Victor does that. But if one of you could volunteer to keep an eye on and respond to anything coming in. I can. I can do that reality if there's anything like to directed towards the panel, I can just call your attention to it just since there's only four of you at the moment, you can all be focused on the meeting. Great great great that sounds good that sounds good to me that sounds good anyone else but. If there's any objections okay thanks Jerry. So yes, members of color please use the Q amp a and members of the panel anything you want to say to the group be sure to voice that out loud don't drop that into the chat. But if you need to do any one to one communications with anyone during the meeting, including me to remind me if I skipped anything in the agenda that sort of thing go ahead and use the chat for that no problem.

[2:02] for members of the public, just a reminder of how to submit complaints against officers of the boulder police department and how to contact us outside of meetings. So if you go to our web address boulder colorado.gov forward slash services forward slash police hyphen oversight that's where you can find. Right now, we have jolla parties emailed is there anything you direct to the panel through joey joey does send us he's obligated to send that to us. We will see it and respond and we'll have our address a separate panel address up shortly, and of course on that website to you will find instructions for how to submit a complaint and how that process works. We do the agenda for this evening, we will go ahead and postpone the approval last month's meeting notes until we have quorum. But we will go through our committee reports report from commune engagement and Communications Committee, the governance committee the legacy review committee will have a brief conversation about our committee structure and roles we need to touch base just about membership.

[3:12] and making sure we have plenty of representatives on each of our committees there we're going to talk a bit about retreat planning. And then we'll have our monitors report from joey, which will include a report on outcome of case reviews and our monthly case statistics that's a compelling case statistics. And then the panel will select cases to review in the coming months, and then, finally, we will end the meeting with public comment. So, before moving forward any questions comments concerns or any other business that we should add to the agenda for this evening panel members. cool beans, in that case let's jump into committee reports, and I can give an update.

[4:02] Since Victor and sharp here, I can give an update on the Community engagement and Communications Committee, so we met again last week. To enhance some good discussions and are starting to set up the groundwork. For starting to identify in particular events Community events and Community organizations that we want to work with, as well as starting a relationship with the. city's Community outreach teams, including their communications teams to see how much support they can offer for our mission and goals as we get out in the Community and engage more. And yeah I think that's that's as much as we have the bad and all passed over for governance. Thank you, Daniel i'm so for governance and we will be, we do have an amendment proposal that we will hope to be sorry.

[5:00] That we hope to be voting on it next month, so we will be sending that. out. With requests for input and we'll also be sending it to legal for review with any feedback from them so we'll have that presentation for everyone next month. The my question is so it is a let me. Give me a chance to share the screen do I have that ability. Just a snack i'll have to make you a Co host real quick. Oh good. Okay, go ahead, you got. yeah. Okay, so what we're talking about is for the bylaws specifically i'm 4.2, which is the full case file review of complaints so going through starting to work through.

[6:00] That procedure as we've been going through and realizing what that procedure looks like for us, and so, specifically, it would be. excusing a amendment to section be police oversight panel disposition recommendations, so this is talking about. You know, basically if we've received a complaint and we feel that the investigation is not thorough, or we would like some more information, the process for going through requesting for more information, and if that gets rejected and kind of how we would escalate and so he there we go. Just kind of echoing in. What our ordinance says that we can increase or you know if the.

[7:00] police chief of police does not accept a recommendation, how we can escalate that request an escalation, to the city manager. It would be by writing, and so it is kind of following the same format as ordinance at 430, which is our ordinance creating us section 211 five. B four B so we'll send all of this again in writing, one question, I do have joey is how do we make this information also available to the public, during this month if anybody would like some feedback to actually see this text. I think the first step would be to send the suggestion, on the proposal to. The city's city attorney's office to get the legal review get like a final version of what you all want to propose and then, once the panel has sort of agreed to what. The language would be, then we can post it on the website, just like we did with the bylaws and have like a two three week comment period public comment period and then you all can come back the following month and then vote on it okay.

[8:08] The steps would be yeah. yeah so pending the. You know how long that process takes it we hope for it to be next month again will send this all out we'll have it posted for information and then. We hope to be voting on this specific amendment next month to our bylaws The other issue will be our guiding principles, we will also be starting to look for. molding that getting some more information so specifically next meeting, which will be may 18 will be kind of diving through the text of that and and working through some of that so if there is anybody that is interested, please, please do attend, we would love some input. panel members Community etc so. I think that is all that I have, thank you.

[9:04] Thanks a dancer I will pass it over to Martha then for any updates on the legacy of you. i'm. kind of quick and dirty and legacy review. We haven't met, but we are scheduled to meet on the 23rd. Which is a Monday and at that meeting they're going to help to establish. Regular reading time decide on which method or mechanism to receive referrals for those and then discuss the suggestion brought up in the last meeting regarding accountability So those are kind of our bullets from the. attempt to schedule. Thanks Martha yeah it does, I saw you unmuted. Oh yeah I was just gonna.

[10:01] Say time sorry but we'll have them posted online anyway that's okay right okay. So next up we just want to touch base with committee structures and roles. I think we can do that, in part, with us, but this really needs to be a full panel conversation as well. But I do know for sure so Arielle you are thinking of moving fully into governance and then I will move fully into communications, then so hadassah and Martha I don't mean governance, no more. But if you ever have small projects i'd be happy to jump in. Based off the breakdown of how things are right now that'd be most helpful um in terms of distribution of people, so I will now permanently the governance so. Great and then I was going to check Martha are you feeling, you have. enough support on your committee, do you do you know I know the communications and outreach community has quite a few people, so I just wanted to check in with you as Co chair or sorry, as chair of the legacy committee if you're feeling supported and you have what you need.

[11:14] um I think we have you know solid people on that particular group but i'm like I technically sometimes attend the communications meeting myself because, like, I want to figure out what. Communication options are this weekend figure out like that's a good mechanism for us. I definitely have opinions on that and. Welcome like Community impact, but I primarily want to be in. legacy reveal and governance, not so much, unless I need to fill in or something for. The communications one totally calling. And that's where I think that that makes a lot of sense to is that.

[12:03] If we're keeping our committee meetings on the meetings planning. document and sharing that with everyone, I think we should all at any time feel welcome to jump in on a committee meeting. To I think we can consider ourselves all ex officio members of committees. To support when and where we can, but to also identify like yeah, these are the three to four people who are the committee who need to be leading that work and. And following through on it yeah cool cool cool and that's new where we've only had committees for like three months, so this is growing and changing we can make it whatever we need it to be. So in that case I will hand it over to Arielle to talk. About tree planting. Great so in terms of retreat planning i'm going to be sending out a doodle probably tomorrow or this weekend, the aim is for and i'm just going to kind of walk through the agenda for the retreat will be in June or July from on a Saturday or Sunday from 10am to 4pm.

[13:11] They are will be an arrival kind of a breakfast mix and mingle then we're going to go into kind of an expectations versus reality session of the panel so. Just kind of reflection and thinking looking forward. We thought that this might be a good time after discussing with joey to do media training, which I think there's a recorded. Right there's a video of the media, training, that the city's done recently is that right joey. they're going to provide something for us when we're ready to have it that recording it ended up not being. Okay perfect just right just what we need for our purposes, but they're so so they realized that after they did it. Are these groups but they're going to provide something to. Provide yeah so, how then our media training will have a short lunch.

[14:02] And then there's going to be two panels led sessions, and so, if any one here, those are kind of tbd of what they're going to look like will each be an hour. So, if any of us want to. Lead something take on something, this is the time to start shooting day on my emails with hey I think this will be a great thing I want to lead it or I want to be involved with planning it and, and if we don't hear then we'll we'll Ping you so. Better to volunteer right and then we'll have kind of a reflection on the retreat and then hopefully another half hour of kind of informal and so. I really have tried to plan it so it's looking like a balance of. Formal sessions and informal I think actually probably what the panel most needs at this time is kind of informal bonding most I think we do a lot of. Formal productive professional work, and I think actually getting to know one another on a more personal level is kind of the biggest intention of the retreat um.

[15:09] What we still need to iron out details of his location. joey I personally think this would be great if we could find somewhere city to host it somewhere in the city like a city building or space. So I think once we get the date nailed down, and you know time and that would be something to work on with you and then also figuring out the budget for meals so breakfast and lunch and making sure that. We have that set aside and can help you know figure out ordering and catering all that. I think the biggest thing just to reinforce right now and there's not many of us here but um is that I am we're really we asked you to set aside a full day right so it's. When I send out this doodle it's really saying okay here's my summer calendar and where do I have wiggle room on the weekends, where can I.

[16:06] reschedule something with my family or friends and prioritizing this retreat because it's something i'm gonna try to plan forever and so that's just something I would. emphasize right now is that really trying to make the dates that work for most people work for you to it if that requires some like juggling two please try to juggle just because I think this is an important event. So look out for that doodle and then, if you have ideas about sessions that you'd like to see. And then you guys will hear from me, as I work with joey kind of on the back end to figure out the location and also for the public. they're probably aspects of the retreat and are talking panel formal panel matters that will be public and also will make sure that there's a link available, but then also, since this is a lot of kind of.

[17:01] Personal bonding and get into another those sessions will be private and so i'm just to note for the public that it's there are only be certain sessions and we'll make sure that we publicize that agenda, so you guys know when to kind of clue in and out throughout the day. And that's it. awesome Thank you. Martha any any thoughts related. Questions comments. i'm excited. It feels like it's enough to guess where we talk about it, but we haven't like Tina. In terms of location, now that the tape municipal building is reopen there's some really nice spaces in there. there's also some nice rooms in the public library downtown to that we could potentially check out so i'll touch base with the chairs and we'll get that location now down once we have a date I guess.

[18:05] awesome. awesome. cool beans, then, in that case joey about the monitors report. The first quick update, I wanted to give and I have a few things I just added to my monitors report that just happened in the last day or so, so I wanted to. include those, the first thing I wanted to mention was just acknowledge the officer involved shooting that happened in boulder today. The details are still coming out and there'll be more details available tomorrow what I can say at this point is that the I was notified as the monitor about the incident, but it did not fall into the mo you that we signed with the department in terms of requiring the monitor to.

[19:03] Be on see to respond to the scene, I can't go into why just yet, but I think those details will be in the in the public tomorrow that will explain that now i'll provide a another email to the panel. Further, explaining that but I was fortunate, no one was seriously injured, it was a scary situation that could have been a lot worse so we're very fortunate that no one was seriously injured. Second point, I just wanted to add was that because we had the City Council started going tried to go back in person ended up having to have the Council members. Get coven, and so they kind of had another policy just a temporary pause on going back in person, we were thinking we would be able to go back in person. In June, but it looks like what they're telling us let's hold off everyone's holding off until July so just one month for now and we're going to keep watching the numbers.

[20:01] I don't think that affects our retreat because it's the reason they made this decision was more about having members of the public come into the building in mass. And they didn't want to put everyone at risk, so for public meetings will hold off until at least know earlier in July, but we can still do our retreat in person, I think, if you all want to in June. Quick note on the annual report, I know we've been saying each month that this was coming we are vain in the very last stages is just one last thing to finalize. We do need to get that out by June 1 The reason I say June 1 is because we've included some highlights from the annual report in the city's. Summer newsletter that will be released on Jen on June 1 and so if we don't have the report out by June 1 they'll be some highlights from there for in the newsletter without the report yet being available to the public, so. But I think we're definitely on track to get this out, Daniel your senses that we're on track to get this out by by this month.

[21:04] yeah yes, I think so okay cool. Quick reminder on may 25 the panel has its quarterly meeting with chief Harold. i'll send out an email as well just to remind folks will need maybe. One or two folks to start putting together some questions or some topics that they want to discuss that you all want to discuss with chief. But that'll be public, so members of the public, that will be posted on the website that's may 25 the day before the link will be available so that members of the public and join and listen into that discussion. Another item 2023 budgets wanted to raise with all of you, we have a couple of some financial decision points coming up for the 2023 budget. wanted to share with you the sort of three areas sort of discretionary areas of the budget that.

[22:03] Where we're going to try to increase the funding so that we can do a few other things, so the first one is outreach and engagement we're going to try to get that get about a $10,000 budget for that so that would cover things like. Food if we had food at the events any costs for the location any other costs associated with outreach engagement brochures printed material anything like that we will be able to to dip into that money but 10,000. For the nickel conference this in our past budget we had put in enough funding for the monitor to go to the conference, but we've been talking about trying to get a couple of panel members to go to the conference each year. Potentially like one current co chair and maybe one future co chair, so that we can have sort of that that experience building process happening and not sort of lose.

[23:00] All that knowledge. So we're going to try we're going to increase where to put the request in for travel money for up to 10,000 it was about 3000 for one person to go to that trip That concludes the fee for the conference, the hotel the flight. per diem for food and everything so we're going to raise that to 10,000 so that we can get not just the monitor, but at least two panel members to go as well. stipends i'm going to try to get those stipends increased as well i've been doing some research on what the handful of other cities that do do stipends for for their Oversight Board or Commission or panel members. have been collecting that information so that I can make my case to the city that to raise the stipend. For here I can't give you a number right now what it's going to be and, ultimately, that decision will be made by some higher ups and ultimately passed by the city council. In the when they get approved the budget, but my desire my plan is going to be to try to get it as high as we possibly can.

[24:04] But I will have a. Clear number to report to you, I think, by next week by middle or end of next week, that will be putting into the budget, I would like to. do a little bit higher pay for the co chairs in the US there's any objections to that I think everyone agrees, and has seen that the Co chairs. Its middle industry, I think a lot more time, but this work now I mean everyone's been a lot of time, but especially the Co chair so maybe just an extra $50 or something for the co chairs, in addition to the increase for everyone else. Okay. In terms of the outcome of the cases that the panel reviewed over the past month month we have three cases to report on only one of them, we have a. final conclusion on but i'll i'll give you a sense of where the other two are at as well. And these what i'm about to report out to the public, these notes are also going to be included, or this these statements will be included in the notes that will be posted.

[25:07] On the website so if you miss something or want to hear the description of the case again that will be posted by end of the day tomorrow on our website. So case in my 2021 049 this involved an individual who was arrested for prohibited use of possession of a weapon was the firearm while intoxicated. police were dispatched to location made contact as the individual was outside of their ex partners apartment making repeated and harassing phone calls to the ex partner. In their complaint, the individual stated that they had that they had a concealed weapons permit and believe they were falsely arrested and their vehicle was illegally searched. In addition, the complaints stated that certain personal valuables were missing from the vehicle after it was impounded. The search that resulted in firearm being found in the vehicle began as an effort by an officer to retrieve the intoxicated individuals identification from inside the vehicle.

[26:08] The individual had already indicated that they were knives in the vehicle, so the officer could not allow the individual to go back into the vehicle to retrieve their ID. While the officer was attempting to retrieve the ID the suspects ex ex partner, called the officer and inform the officer, that the individual carry a firearm in the vehicle. The officer then began a deep research of the vehicle to find the gun the officer did then find the gun and a rest of the individual, the vehicle impounded vehicle impound was handled by a different officer that Office did not document any personal valuables on the impound inventory. The monitor I classified this complaint has two separate allegations officer one allegation of Rule one violations specifically general order three to five dash eight on consensual searches. And then officer to last as an allegation of a Rule one violation specifically general order to have six five vehicle inspection.

[27:08] So a panel committee conducted a full case file review and recommended that both allegations be sustained against the officers, the panel committee recommended retraining for both officers through supervisory counseling. The chief of police came to the to the determination of sustained for the allegation against officer number one violating general or 3058 on consensual searches, because the officer did not clearly indicate that the search for the ID was voluntary and can be declined. By the rescue the chief of police issued retraining for officer number one through supervisory counseling consistent with the panels panel committees recommendation. The chief of police came to a determination of not sustained for the allegation against officer number two of violating general order to have six five on vehicle inspection. The chief concluded that the that officer number two had conducted a sufficient examination of the vehicle prior to impounding know retraining was issued for officer number two.

[28:12] Cases Am I. This case involved in allegation of truthfulness against an officer involved in a minor vehicle incident. A panel committee has reviewed the case and provided it's recommendations to the department. The department is in the process of conducting additional investigation of this case at the direction of the chief of police the outcome will be shared at next month's meeting, there is the final determination has not yet been made in this case. In my 20 2204 this one was reviewed flat by a panel committee just last night, this involves an allegation of an officer violating Rule five police authority and public trust. The panel committee reviewed the case and requested additional information from the Department before making a final determination on their on their recommendation.

[29:03] So when we receive that information, it will be provided to the panel and they will reconvene that that discussion and make their recommendation. In terms of our case statistics we had three complaints and to Community increase in April, so far, in May we've had one complaint and no Community increase and there are currently 15 open investigations that concludes the monitors report now i'll turn it back over to the chairs. Extremely. So with Victor on we have forum, so why don't we pop back up to the top of the agenda and we need to approve last month's meeting notes. And so panel members, those are in the meeting folder that joey shared with us, and so, if you just want to take a second to look those over real quick and at this time.

[30:01] You can offer any any changes to those minutes to those notes before we approve them so we'll just take a minute to see if any panel members. would like to recommend any changes to the Minutes. okey dokey then in that case. I moved to approve the meeting notes for April 14th 2022 meeting is there a second for that. Second. i'll second hands in the air, all in favor. For and Victor Thank you I see your hand. So approved, thank you very much. And in that case pop back to where we were in the agenda.

[31:01] six Members would you like to take our five minute break now and come back to do the selection of cases in public comment. let's do that I see it, awesome nodding that's all I needed let's go and take our five minute break now let's be back at 711 Thank you.

[33:08] ever get so many tabs open it takes clicks there we go. Great okay welcome back y'all so next up for us is our. regular review of case summaries for us to vote on, and just to note for members of the public what we're voting on right now. As you just heard from joey joey gives the full case reviews after they've been. After they've been completed after the panel and the chief of police have made their final determinations. But until that time, we need to keep these cases in the complaints private, and so we won't share those with you, but what I can share you what we're voting on our summaries of. they're not just summaries of complaints members of the public have given us their summaries of the full case that's underway, so that includes.

[34:01] notes about any police camera footage of the situation any available evidence any initial investigations any other complaints that may be relevant to the case or any other extenuating circumstances and so. joey compiles these case summaries, for us, specifically, to give us as wide of you have the situation as we can, before we vote on these. And, and not just considering the complaint, but considering everything that we can before we decide whether or not to review the case and so panel Members, you receive those cases from joey earlier this week and I wanted to start off. joy, a question for you on him, am I to 022 dash 008 there's nothing for us to do there correct. Correct that was just to inform you all that the complainant had withdrawn it and the information is available, the withdrawal documentation of the withdrawal it's actually a body worn cameras video. Is posted in the file, so if y'all wanted to check that out and confirm that you feel comfortable with it, you can do that, but yeah since he's withdrawn it there's there's nothing to do with it at this point.

[35:09] got it got it thanks Jerry, so in that case panel members we're going to start with him I 2022 dash 009. filed on April 662 thousand. 22, and this is a Rule one allegation and one and, yes, Rule one allegation only for joy to come back so give yourself Teresa Emily rate three familiarize yourself with that case. And with the show of hands all in favor of reviewing him him to zero to 2009. And I see Victor to thank you unanimous, so we will go ahead and review that one. Next up y'all is MIA to zero to 2010 this was filed April 25 2022, this is a Rule five allegation police authority and public trust key a second.

[36:14] And hands up all in favor of reviewing this case. There it is thank you Victor fives we will go ahead and review this one as well. And that is all for this month. hit up a quick question about. 008. So. So when a person withdrawals does it take off the conclusion that was listed because. It when someone withdraws if the final classification, for it is unfounded. Okay, so it just it just prompts that no matter what, like the person can.

[37:04] Love unfounded outcome includes if someone withdraws it's there's some other things to expect that can end up as unfounded, but one of them is if the person withdrawals it. And it just goes to unfounded, I will say that, if even if someone were to withdraw a complaint and as the investigators, we still saw. Something in that that as a department or as the monitor we were concerned with we could still pursue that we could like like the department can follow internal complaint and and carry it forward. But there does not seem to be any. reason to do that in this case. So it would just end up as unfounded that doesn't mean that if you all still wanted to review it. That you couldn't but because he's withdrawn it the outcome would still be unfounded. But you have the video the whole file is there in the sharepoint So if you want to take a look at it at the video at the withdrawal and then let me know how you all feel about it and determine what you want to do, we can do that because last week last month.

[38:13] I hadn't. seen it, I was just like wait a second that makes it automatically unfounded like what if the person was nervous or that intimidated, or something I don't know I That was my knee jerk reaction so I just wanted to check in about it. If that was the case if we thought it was like out of intimidation or something that would be a situation where we would take over as the complainant and move it forward and investigate it. But I reviewed the withdrawal and I was comfortable with it. So I would just encourage you all to check that out, let me know if you if you're not comfortable with it, you guys could could still because you did both to review this one. You all could still take take a look at it and collectively discuss it and see if there's anything you want to say about it. Is I see your hand. yeah i'm a.

[39:02] I think what makes me. More uncomfortable is that something that was with drawn is classified as unfounded, and I would, I would like what I would like to see in the world of you know, moving forward to keeping better records is that they actually create a category that is specifically withdrawn or you know. Pending or something that implies that it wasn't thoroughly reviewed and that, if that person changes their mind that they can always come back and. You know, do so right, I mean it's not like. it's done forever, they can. write and I. wish we could you all can talk about that if you want to make that recommendation to the department. The challenge might be keeping a something sort of open indefinitely that's not a good policy either so at some point, you have to.

[40:05] Close it out and make a determination, otherwise auditors like like you had acid will come through and say oh you got these open cases and nothing's been hasn't been resolved. So you need. some kind of determination at some point right. Right, I mean I wonder. I think classification or the termination would be withdrawn just because that is a much more specific and clear language around what actually happened and and as opposed to unfounded because it isn't unfounded, it was withdrawn. I get which and we could probably add like a breakout under the unfounded, as you know, three of these that were unfounded were withdrawn, they were they're categorized as unbounded because they were withdrawn by the complainant, we could add that level of detail. to differentiate them from the ones that are unfounded for up for different reasons. yeah I mean that's i'm with you a docile because it's I mean it to categorize or withdraw in the same category as you know, the panel finds this to be unfounded or to radically different things.

[41:09] And so I think there is it does make sense that they shouldn't share a label and so yeah to your point yet it's just it's just withdrawn the complaint was withdrawn, which communicates exactly what happened, the meaning of what happened. yeah if it's withdrawn and that's considered like a closed category. like an officially closed category that I think the department would probably be more amenable to that, then like a withdrawn, but it just kind of stays sitting there in case the person wants to reopen it the person yeah yeah I just think they would. That would be difficult for them to justify to the officers into you to the Union, and you know that we're just going to keep this case open until. Something happened with it yeah. No, I think it makes sense, I think.

[42:00] It needs to be closed at that point if the person, you know the complainant at that point is. Withdrawing and officially that's the close of that case you know until there is another case, then that would be the end of that one i'm comfortable with. Okay, let me talk with the department about that and report back to you all on. Martha I saw you on mute did you have. Well, I was just thinking like because I. Know there's another one where it's like. When it's an admin closure that doesn't like send up weird thing, so I guess like whatever distinction makes that separate that this can be something so that you know that it's voluntary and if the person did want to bring it back or something. I don't know something was very weird about that. I get the argument to break those out separately it's it's worth being able to note that, for the public that these were actually what's wrong sorry. No, I was just gonna say that's Martha I think kind of what you were saying, too, is, I think, also making sure that in these situations.

[43:05] You know we're not just prepared for what usually happens, but the extremes of the worst things that could happen and so not not suggesting that's the case here, but if there was some kind of pressure to withdraw or intimidation or that sort of thing. that the system is prepared to handle that as well and that we've labeled these to be able to handle handle. A circumstance, where this were some person comes back a year later, and says that case I withdrew i'm filing a complaint that I withdrew it because I was intimidated and that's that's a different yeah that's just a different category from unfounded for me. yeah really good points, thank you all. Suggestions i'll pass it along and I think we'll get to a better situation. Great. panel members any other final business questions comments or concerns before we go to public comment.

[44:08] Coming to do some public comment notes. So for public comment members of the public every member of the public will be asked if they'd like to comment you'll be asked to unmute and the answer, just to make sure we don't accidentally skip over anyone due to a technical error. Any member of the public who does want to comment, you will get to unimpeded minutes if there's an interruption or a loss of connection or anything will be sure to clocks will be sure to stop the clock to make sure you get your full two minutes. You will get a verbal notice of time at 20 seconds until your time is up, and i'm going to be putting the stopwatch up on the shared screen joy do I have screen sharing XX.

[45:05] Yes, okay. And second of all. My screens. Great so in bed case. joy, we want to start with, Peter heisler. Sorry okay there we go when you put your screen up I lost the. Everything goes away yeah sorry. Peter just allowed you to talk, if you have any question or comment you can unmute yourself. yeah um can you hear me. Yes, yeah we can hear you Thank you um. yeah my name is Peter I swear i'm a member of the boulder county naacp just just here to listen, I don't have a comment but thank you for your work.

[46:05] Thanks Peter, and thank you for being here. you're. unmuted you, you can unmute yourself. yeah can you hear me. Yes, can. I not used to this forum, or setup I guess and hi Peter, I am also from the N double a CP boulder county branch from the criminal justice committee. And don't really have a comment and guess Besides, I am glad that it was brought up about the unfounded thing because that does sound like something that should be addressed some that that was something that's going to be. brought up as a suggestion um yeah other than that I have nothing else to add, thank you all. Thanks Sylvia thanks for being here. Stop share great. Any final notes young again thank you Thank you so much for being here, I will be following up with the rest of the panel to just remind them of our attendance requirements and to get into.

[47:07] share the list of upcoming meetings as well, but yeah just to reiterate Thank you so much for being here for making time in your lives in a very upside down world right now, it feels like most times yeah Martha your hand. Your you're muted. i'm at the risk of taking a hornet's nest. I think a little bit of this is preventative harm. And I know it's pending I know we can't be specific, I know we can't decide things but. I have been thinking a lot about the CU boulder. situation with the racist statements that were found, and I am wondering if that. were to happen here.

[48:01] Because of the rules and how they exist would that be considered like a. Like a lying. Martha are you are you specifically referring to the incident of there's a boulder CU boulder police officer who was found making racist comments on us on social media, I think it was. Yes, yeah Okay, and he was he was terminated correct. I believe he's just on. Administrative Lee was just administrative Lee Okay, thank you, I just wanted to clarify and in case anyone else. that's what i'm referencing and I know it's our out of our jurisdiction i'm just curious about like if we were to find that what does that mean, because in my mind it would go to like lying, which is a fireable offense but the argument I guess in my head i'm making is that. Like we've been told that officers go through some sort of psychological evaluation.

[49:04] If they actually don't believe what they said they believe that's a lie, so I don't know that's just where my my brain was going I was curious I thought hey let me, let me ask my peeps over at hop. it's a good question yeah it would depend on like the specifics of the case like if you said it if it was the exact same scenario where it's like social media online. I think that we would probably categorize that, as a rule, eight conduct which I can just the language from that is along the lines of. reflects discredit upon the individual or the department causes embarrassment compromises the department's reputation impairs their credibility effectiveness, efficiency, thank you, there you go. If it was in the act of.

[50:00] Like a police action, then that would put it into the realm of bias policing and we have a. This is just a in the general orders general order, one on one very first one on unbiased policing sorry my dog is joining us, but if it was like. In the act of policing like you were taking an official act and you said something like that, then that would support on by that would support a allegation of bias policing, but if it's social media like this, they are they do have. You know language about representing the department professionally and you know not doing things that like this policy is embarrassing the department, so I think it would most cleanly fit under that and. I do think it would be the egregiousness of it if it was the same degree that we saw in see you, it would be a fireable offense for us as well. I think we've seen an instance in other departments to if there if there was a denial of having said those things or participated in those groups, then it would Martha your plan would fall into truthfulness correct.

[51:09] I think so yeah if they were interviewed and they stayed denied it, and then there was proof that they were a member of a group or something like that, and they just lied, then that would then you would add it on punch with want to do it as well. And to clarify to sorry yeah, this is a public me that, and so our jurisdiction as the boulder police oversight panel the boulder police department. And the CU boulder. police departments are two separate entities and the University of Colorado boulder police department does have its own Oversight Board or pat i'm not sure what they call it, but they do have an Oversight Board. I should mention i've been asked to speak to them next the 17th that's next week, so they are in, like in the midst of trying to build their oversight operation and they've run into some challenges. So i'm going to meet with them and i'll report back next month and let you all know how it goes but. Challenges and setting up.

[52:01] Can you imagine. That doesn't happen right. No. No guys, I was reading an article recently i'll send it around to you all about Madison Wisconsin they're there they sort of adopted. A very similar model to ours after we got our setup they were in touch with us and, like the model that we set up and so they've been spent in the past year, trying to get their setup and they've run into a lot of problems they have. Two lawsuits in play, they they made an offer to their monitor the monitor accepted it, and then, after a few days declined, it decided to withdraw from it. they've had lots of difficulties and controversy, so I was reading that I was thinking wow it just made me feel like we made it through this first year actually pretty well. Given given everything that can go wrong as you're trying to set these operations up so i'll send that around you guys will be prouder of yourselves after reading this. It would be good to get some pat's on the back.

[53:01] yeah. But that. will actually. benefit the folks in Madison and i'll stay in touch with them and. yeah you're trying this. One joy that's something to Arielle and I had actually. came up in our conversation with the. city managers, you know connecting with other panels as well, and so you know i'd be happy if you wanted to. share my email with. them as well okay. i'll do that. And same with the universe, the CU boulder I mean is that i'm a staff at CU boulder to if you want to share my info with. A lot of friends yeah i'll reach out to if you're available on the 17th that might make sense, where you come along and. yeah i'm happy to do what I can. that's what yeah. cool gear for. awesome. Thank you for that Martha that's um yeah Thank you. hey it's not often we have like access to form up forums and transparency that's Well done, so why not.

[54:06] cool beans well in that case, thank you all very much i'm so grateful for you and the work you're doing if you haven't taken a moment just give yourself a pat on the back we've done a lot of good work this work is really important to our Community, so thank you and we'll see y'all soon. Thanks everyone have a good night. bye oh.