September 29, 2025 — Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Regular Meeting

Transcript

Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] No. I know, it's great, you're shaking it up. I like the way student council does, too. It gives the illusion. Don't want to speak up a turn. You see this morning. No, she's actually thanked me for posting. Clarissa, you want to kick it off? Madam Chair, it's 6 p.m. And we are recording.

[1:04] I feel like this. Right. But this one doesn't… doesn't, imply that they'll buy the property. They want to do this. Oh, that's the one that we did, that's the least amount. Yes, yeah. All right, thanks everyone for joining us tonight. We've be, we've begun the recording. We have a full set of prep members here tonight, so this is really exciting. We have a forum.

[2:03] Would anybody like to make a motion to approve the agenda? I'm in Moroccan. Second? Thank you. Is there any discussion for the motion? All right. Hearing no opposition, the motion passes and the agenda is approved. I will now turn it over to the Director for Future Board Guidance. Good evening, folks, Allie Rhodes, Director of Parks and Recreation, and the biggest thing I want to call your attention to are the October discussions of the 2026 budget, so City Council has two meetings in October. On the 9th, they'll have their first reading, and then the second reading is on October 23rd. And then another big, Council conversation coming up, and this will follow your October conversation with the Civic Dariat, and we'll be bringing them Our recommended next steps for the secondary concept funding areas to invest. booming window today. So, really excited about both of those.

[3:03] And then one other, I guess, one more that's been added, we last saw, is that we are having an open house at the East Boulder Community Center on October 8th about the East Boulder Visiting Park Courts project. What is that? Wednesday the 8th, because Tuesday the 7th, also on your calendar for the Chicago Port, and just as a reminder, we had a major donation funding for that renovation, and so that's an exciting opportunity. We appreciate a significant donor, and we want to welcome you for this. Do we have… It doesn't look like that. All right, we can get you an invite for the 7th. Thank you for planning that. Thank you. And then I'll hand it back to you all. All right. Marissa, do we have any… Public Participation Plan. I believe Lynn may be interested. Lynn, can you please raise your hand if you'd like to participate in public comment today?

[4:04] Okay. All right, Lynn, let me pull up our rules, and we'll let you participate in just one moment. I'll go ahead and read my part here. Okay. This portion of the meeting is for members of the public to communicate ideas or concerns to the board regarding Parks and Recreation issues, for which a public hearing is not scheduled later in the meeting. Tonight, there is one action item, and that is, the 2026 budget. During the public participation… during the public participation time, the public is encouraged to comment on the need for parks and recreation programs and facilities as they perceive them. All speakers are limited to 3 minutes. Depending on the nature of your matter, you may or may not receive a response from the board after you deliver your comments. The board is always listening. And appreciative of community feedback. Clarissa, will you please present the additional guidelines, and then call on our first speaker name?

[5:04] Yes, the City has engaged with community members to co-create a vision for productive, meaningful, and inclusive civic conversations. This vision supports physical and emotional safety for community members, staff, and council, as well as democracy for people of all ages, identities, lived experiences, and political perspectives. For more information about this vision, please visit our website and the Boulder Revised Code. The city will enforce rules of decorum found in the Boulder Revised Code. Participants are required to sign up to speak using the name they are commonly known by, and individuals must display their whole name before being allowed to speak online. Currently, only audio testimony is permitted online. No attendee shall disrupt, disturb, or otherwise impede the orderly conduct of any council meeting in a manner that obstructs the business of the meeting. This also includes failing to obey any lawful order of the presiding officer to leave the meeting room or refrain from addressing the council.

[6:03] Only one person at a time at the podium, unless an accommodation, like an interpreter, is required. All remarks and testimony shall be limited to matters related to city business. No standing in or otherwise blocking the aisles in violation of the fire code or in any way that obstructs the vision or audio of audience members. No signs or flags shall be permitted in council chambers, except one sign held by a person measuring no more than 11 by 17 inches, which is held no higher than the person's face. No participant shall make threats or use other forms of intimidation against any person. We ask that you not affix items to the podium or dice. Signs flags or other items used to communicate must be held by one person when displayed. Obscenity, other epithets based on race, gender, or religion, and other speech and behavior that disrupts the otherwise impedes the meeting will not be tolerated. In-person participants are asked to refrain from expressing support or disagreement verbally.

[7:00] Or with sounds such as applause or snapping, with the exception of declarations. Traditionally, support is shown through American Sign Language applause or jazz hands. Alright, Lynn, I'm going to pull up the timer. Right… I do not have time to listen to that each time. Please pass along… You may proceed. I do not have time to listen to that each time. Please pass along to the Council that you can just check it off, and so we don't have to waste 5 minutes. Then you should be able to… Speak now?

[8:02] I thought I'm speaking. Can you start my timer again? Can you hear me? My Adderall's free. Can you hear me? Hello, Lynn? Yes. Hello? I'm trying to. They can hear or went online, so Wayne might just turn off the volume now. Okay. Sorry, Lynn, just a moment. Oh, yes. Apologies, that was on my end. All right, can you please speak? Yes. Thanks for the apology. Can you hear me now? Yes. Yes. Okay, first of all, I… I don't think… I think we've joined the 2000s, you know? This is current time. We don't need to listen to that

[9:03] stuff all about the, you know, the intimidating, insulting kindergarten-type things about how I'm supposed to talk and not supposed to disrupt. Everything I have to say is disruptive. You know, talking about the South Boulder Rec Center, that's disruptive, isn't it? So, I need to not hear that, and I need you to recommend to the council that you just make a checkbox that, you know, so you absolve yourself of liability, because I'm really tired of this. I don't have time. I get 3 hours of sleep a night. I don't need 3 minutes or whatever, how long it takes for you to read that stuff to me each time and insult me like a kindergartner. I don't need that. I'm a… I'm an adult. Now. What I wanted to bring up today is the budget. and how you're gonna raise rates at the rec center. This is not okay to balance the budget. This is not helpful to people for having more, sales tax revenue in their pockets to spend, you know, when you take it from them at the rec center, or…

[10:07] or deny them services that they have without paying more. Or, you know, the South Bowl Direct Center not being available to them. All of this, these are services that have to be paid for by the developer before, not as an afterthought. When disaster happens. And, you know, I'm… I'm just so tired of this with Boulder. It's like everything is an afterthought. This is not… these services are things… I've already paid for them with my sales… with my property taxes, with… I don't ever buy anything, so I'm not helping you out at all, because I don't have disposable funds. I'm saving every cent for a geothermal heat pump. So that I can give to my kids. every cent I have for climate change, because that's the biggest thing coming down.

[11:00] And as far as parks and Recreation, you know, there's so… so many… unfunded liabilities that you have to do, that you need to pass it along. If you're gonna say, oh, we can't do anything, you know, about it, what you need to do is talk to the city council, since they can't seem to do anything, and tell them that they have to pay for their unfunded liabilities, and they have to pay for it with the developer. not giving them FARs and height limits and flood leniances and all of these subsidies that they're constantly giving out. This is not okay. It's not okay for the services offered through Parks and Recreation Advisory Board. And so you can't do your job. And if you can't do your job, you should all just step down. And if you… if you can, then pass it along to the Council done by… Thank you, Lynn. Of course, are there any other speakers?

[12:00] If anyone else wants to participate in public comment, please raise your hand now. Okay, looks like that's the conclusion of public participation today. Great. Then that concludes our public participation. Thank you so much to, Lynn for speaking tonight. Would any members of the staff like to respond to Lynn tonight? Would any members of the board like to respond to Lynn tonight? Okay. Great, that concludes public participation. Moving on to the consent agenda. Would Allie like to discuss anything that's in the first and rec updates before we ask questions? Nope, but we're here. If you all have questions on the internet information. Okay. I do have some. Does anybody have any questions they would like to ask, regarding the parks and Rec updates? Or anything within the Kids Central Dango.

[13:00] I just noticed that there's a couple of typos in the typo. you know, minutes, and so, how could I convey them? Should I just give them back to Alyssa, or… You can just shoot us an email, and we'll get them correctly. Cool, that's it. Thank you for that, Mike. All right, My first question then is the partnership matrix. I noticed in the partnership matrix conversation, it, didn't define yet said it wanted to define partnership. I was wondering if anybody could tell me a little bit more about that program. Sure. I'm gonna ask our Senior Manager of Programs and Partnership, Brian Deary.org to answer for you. We've got a full house tonight. It's actually a question we're still answering, and so we're looking at some of the best practices from other peer communities, a lot of research is out there to find that, but essentially where we're landing right now is that, this relationship of mutual benefit. And that's one of the things I think, hasn't been documented well and practiced well. I'll say clarifying that they exist, and mutual benefit, both by partner, in terms of benefits that they're giving, and then from Portman, sorry, Department for Debates will be given another partner for benefits, so you'll see a document.

[14:16] Why did this… Come on. Well, in the 2022 year plan, they're a couple of 5 different places, partnerships on top of, yeah, community health and wellness, community. And, I think they're trying to address the police and died. I'll go around all of those, and it intercepts pretty closely with our programming work, and how we do service delivery, sometimes directly, and sometimes with a partner, and then how we do a little bit later tonight about doing access coding work, which are ways that, you know, partners in community homes public spaces. And so it kind of ties all three of those together. So it's one of our…

[15:00] Matrix teams that we took this year as a leadership team, next month, probably. Is that right, Allie? We'll talk about work planning, camera. January, we'll talk about work planning, but it's one of the elements that we looked at, the outstanding initiatives for the department, and the resources that we received to address those, and so this… three to four different initiatives from the department. So it's just, there was a gap in the 2022 plan when you decided to just define that. And for the community. I mean, I'll just say, a lot of people… let us be your partner, meaning give us a thing, right? Like, give us use at a facility, give us access to this thing. what people provide in return, and their hopes is usually nothing, right? So this work really is trying to build, what does it look like to have mutual benefit? The best example is the IGA with Augusta Valley School District. There's an exchange of benefits and resources that we tried out in studies. I was gonna save it till later on, but it's in the matrix. Were local restaurants and small businesses engaged in this partnership matrix?

[16:07] not, you know, in the partnership place. That is an area of public-private partnerships that are popular, especially in other communities, around the session. reservoir also, and so those are pieces that we're going to be putting this, area of partnership about, the services that, we provide. So it's not just programming, it's programming and services. When we say programs, it might be sports or activities, but programming in that sense is the service that they have provided in the sessions. well, the communication, yeah. Oh, I have a question about, the Tom Lawson Park. Maybe just, let me get a little bit of context on how this additional review, that added, like, 2 or 3 months delay, is leading towards a week somewhere.

[17:03] I'm gonna point to Mark Davison, our senior manager. Yeah, interesting topic in a development area, it should be very hard to connect through the process, and once we found out we were in the developing area. switch the independent code from an analog application to a sort of niche thing that we do. And as part of that, that now requires us to get the serial engineer to do user niche calculations and follow-on. And that collates apparently… Thank you, buddy. So, basically, that's what happened at the project. It was unfortunate. Yeah, the biggest thing is that in missing… in adding two to three months, we missed the opportunity to fill concrete this fall, and you have to wait for it to get warm enough so that it can cure, so that's what kicks us at this point. And, we were approaching so well, and by the end of year, you know, this is a long time ago, that's what we had. It's… it's one of those things that happened.

[18:10] I have a question about that. I'm constantly looking at ways to streamline our permitting design. This is something that I feel like… do you feel like our permanent program should have been able to point this out earlier, knowing that the project was coming? Is there something that you think could have gone better? reflection, there was a couple of things we could have read, but technically speaking, this follows all the rules. it's not typical in our process to have a checkbox at the very beginning, is this in a view or not? And that's the… that's the piece that would have caught this much, much earlier, right? So that might be something, I think now we probably have it with. And I don't know if the gentleman to my left know off the top of their head how many PEDs there are inside of it, but it's… it's… it's… there's a lot, and so it's just… it was a learning and a thirst for a lot of us that we're trying to work in the future.

[19:08] So it could be that that is part of the site analysis and pre-planning. It's not one of the letters that show up, you know, very in the chat analysis. You've got to dig a little bit, and even I brought this up with my colleague throughout the Plan Development Services, and it's just, it's one of those weird, tricky things that we should try and not be. maybe make a little more skill set. In your opinion, is it a necessary skill? I mean, regardless of the roads… It gives me confidence that the site's gonna drain well, and not contribute to any flooding issues. There's things that I wrote there, they're sensitive wetlands, and so it isn't… it's… Mark… when this project made it on the work plan, it was because of the delays it. And we said, what can we do to just get a project on the ground? And this was the next best viable site for the work system fund. And so, it's disappointing, because the whole reason we even added this to the plan was to try and get ports on the ground in 2025, but adding this full tech dock review will make sure that the site drains well, and that's pretty important.

[20:08] soon to an online service by 2030. And hopefully in 2026, we'll have 12. 2027, at least, development 6. So we'll be at 80 calls at the top of the 22 will be in the 27, so… For, for hogs and fanning and hermeting, that's what the body moving speed. I had another question, the windows in the pool. Was it chlorine? What happened? I think there's a lot of things there. Obviously the building's over 50 years old, and a lot of humidity in the space. Hvac system… HVAC system is probably, Still allowing the moisture to stay, depending on metal and moisture.

[21:05] It, it corrodes over time, and, unfortunately, we weren't able to see that until we got up high enough to be able to see that, and, and so now, at this point. We're going on just to keep it going, and finally. In closing them was the best option, so that the goal is, swim teams start mid-November, and we'll be ready to go for the related question. How much is that adding to the cost of the project? We actually have savings in other areas, so the total project budget hasn't changed. It's been used. Do we have a system out to actually go in and inspect? a little more thoroughly? You know, this is a tough one because in that space, the pool has to be drained and scaffolding was added to be able to see it, so that would not be something we would have been able to catch in another way. I think as we redesign facilities, you know, certainly we want to look at maintenance and all that across the board, but

[22:01] Again, building is so old that it just was one of those hidden things. I think that's a really good point, that we need to… Perkins and Will, when you get some design, things like that, making sure that there's accessible points of access from building. That, you know, that they are thinking about doing, you know. And technology has come so far with those kind of air handling systems to make sure that the humidity is all separate from the rest of the building when those issues aren't happening, so… I have a question about those to, to the community on that. It still says October 2 or 3, I think, on one of those things, on the board. I'll check into that. I know we have intentionally said October and hadn't put a particular date in October, but I will follow up on that and make sure that it's early and built back. Okay. Yeah, I think it's in the future. Okay. And then my last question is, build lower part, did it get funding?

[23:00] No, please, Great project in a garden, you know, we plan to do a fantastic job with India, and the opportunity is the only group. So it's private funding? Yep, and I'm expanding from 83 fields, and that is very complicated. Both leads we had filled with the master project managers, we managed to pull it all together, and today, I didn't check, because the webinar was a project, but we knew it would come along. All right. Will there be a resume for that as well? Okay. That'll be fun, because I like this at the time, so glad that one got there. The car is getting financial investment. And then I just wanted to point out, that we did receive an email from, Lynn Stein regarding… and she said thank you to the staff for

[24:05] Keeping the full red sky open, and so I feel like you recognize that, and the community, so in New York. Okay. Any other questions? All right, would anybody like to offer a motion to approve the consent agenda? What? Hang on a second. Any other discussion or discussion regarding the consent agenda? Okay, it's… And hearing in opposition, the motion passes, and the consent agenda is approved, as was said. With the caveat of a few minor… Correct. All right. Even ash iron packs. This is where they have so many.

[25:02] All right, folks, so tonight, you are going to hear, we've been talking about the budget forever. And tonight, you are going to make a recommendation on the operating budget, and then per the charter, you have formal approval over the capital improvement program and expenses and improvement direct fund. So, Senior Manager of Business Services, Jackson Kite, and his teammates will be sending this item to you. We have a brief presentation, because most of this you have seen multiple times, minus the details on that sitting in recommend the budget, and then there will be the action item in public. Thank you, Allie. I think this will be the shortest memo and presentation you get from me, so we will make it to the point. As Allie mentioned, we're going to review the recommended budget. This comes from the City Manager's Office. Within the Charter, CRAB does have purview over the City Manager's recommended budget, so moving forward, you will see this action item in September. And as a result, we will likely have a better intro period to get you onboarded to, the entire budget process. Our capital improvement program, CIT, has gone through the planning board already, and will go through City Council as part of the budget adoption. And then just a reminder, as part of the approval of the budget tonight, there are changes to the recreation membership.

[26:22] Structure that had been discussed within the last two months. There will be 3 action items, you'll be asked to make. The motion will be on the last slide. It's also in your packet. The key takeaway is we are looking at a $40.7 million budget. This includes both operating and capital and identifies 6 different funding sources we have. This is rather routine for those of you that are visual.

[27:01] Wait, sorry. community… CCRS is… we have none? CCRS, we have a million dollars in capital, down in the bottom right corner. In addition to this, all of the East Boulder Community Center funding is out of the facilities department budget. So there's an additional $7.5 million funded for that in 2026. What, what, can you sum up the 25? See, Sarah's… fund contributor to operating capital? Nothing's for operating capital. Yeah, nothing's for operating. It would have been… Ballpark $5.5 million. And with CCRS, we have received funding for 3 different projects. There's about $53 million for the East Boulder Community Center project. That's directly managed with facilities and fleet. There's $1.15 million for Pearl Street Mall refresh.

[28:01] And that's being supplemented with funds from KJ, which is the downtown, district. And then our third project is Civic Area, and that's received about $18 million. And those are all funded? Those are all funded. It's a variation of funding between 2022 and 2028. We can give you the breakdown per year if you'd like. I just am curious, but since we're going to be voting on this, their taxes, just for that one and something. So, I'm sorry, real quick, $53 million… $53 million sold correct. Correct. $18 million for Civic Area Phase 2, and $1 million for Pell Street Mall. And what about… what did you say about Facilities and Fleet? Facilities and Fleet has the budget for East Boulder Community Center in their budget, since they are helping manage the project. So, I have a question about these folders. I thought that was getting pushed in the budget, next year? The $53 million I mentioned, is the total funding that a city has allocated towards that project between 2022 and 2027.

[29:06] You are correct that that project, is going through a more extensive design process. And it could be, I mean, if CCRS is approved, then… The CCRS dollars for the East Boulder Community Center are already in the approved CCRS from the 2021 election, so those funds have already been allocated up to the $53 million. It's anything in excess of $53 million would be on a futures notice about Where's, like, where does that help, that $539? Yeah, great question. CCRS has historically been a pay-as-you-go capital tax, meaning as the money comes in and is spent, that is what's on the ballot in November, is allowing, by extending it in perpetuity, to allow the city to bond. And so the way, as the money comes in, it is held in a bank account and accrues until expenditures are made. And so the cash flow on CCRS is part of the reason you'll see $1 million, $6 million, $15 million, 1 million, because it's about cash flow management. But the monies are paid as they're collected. So they're collected, and so right now we have to put their million bank cut.

[30:18] At this point, no… No, because it's through 27. The funding… fund balance is about $14 million, last I checked. Okay. The original CCRS, the very first one in 12, and then the subsequent renewals have been ASG. Can you explain how this… if the CCRS is continued by vote, how would that… funnel, or… How would any of those funds funnel to the south of the Lexan effort? Like, how is that decided? Yeah, so if CCRS is approved by the voters this November, it extends the, collection of that tax in perpetuity, is how the ballot language is written. It also allows the city to bond against that for the future.

[31:04] How the CCRS funds are allocated are through the annual budget allocation process. So, it would begin in, next year for 27 allocation is the earliest that we would start seeing allocation for any of those projects. Similar to this budget review process, different boards would provide input. There's staff, there's an executive budget team, and then there's the financial strategy committee of City Council. Ultimately, City Council is the one who is appropriating the budget. What they've historically done is approved in swashes, so for the next 5 years, these are our priority projects, that we would assume something like that would follow. And then the bonding, if you… because CCRS isn't an enterprise tax, would you have to put the bond on the ballot, or… So the bond is already included in the ballot language that's appearing on the ballot this November. With that, there's about a 6-month lead time where finance staff have to work to find someone who's willing to bond against it, put it back to City Council, and then they are able to bond and receive that money as a lump sum.

[32:13] And then we start our interest payments. And I can't remember, is it, is the bond language for general deferred maintenance, or anything specific? I believe it is everything that CCRS allows, within the city purview, but I would need to double-check on that. You thought this was going to be a short presentation. I'm fairly certain that there are two items related to CCRS on the ballot. One, to extend it in perpetuity. And it's very specific to things such as Parks and Recreation maintenance, transportation maintenance, with no maintenance. And then the second item that is paired with it is the authority to bond. That's correct, it's, the language is on the TE website if anyone wants to look at it. I read it, I just don't remember if it was specific to a project or in general.

[33:06] Stacy's over here doing math to my left, and $2.1 million is the amount allocated to CCRS projects in 25. What do you need? Thank you, Stacey. Yeah, great, thank you. All right, so for those of you who are visual, this shows, the 3-year trend, the 24 approved budget, the 25 approved budget, and then the 26 approved… or proposed budget. This breaks it down by the 6 different funding sources, and what you can see is that in 24, we did have a higher budget. This really reflected some of the capital spend associated with the Flatirons Golf Course. While you do see a minor increase here, I just want to pull out that, the spending power of our dollar has decreased with inflation, that, even a half million dollar increase doesn't have the same impact that it would have had this year. But we're very thankful that in a fiscally constrained environment, we are seeing, what on paper looks to be a very flat budget, so we'll talk through some of the other examples related to this.

[34:07] I'll pause real quick, any questions? Can you tell me why the Permanent Parks and Recreation Fund has dropped? It's really just with our cash flow management. What we will do with the Permanent Parks and Recreation Fund is we will save funding for a while, and then we will put it towards a bigger project. This comes back to the cash flow management, where we may not always have a large capital project in a given year. So we're essentially saving it for ourselves and then using it in a later year. I saw in point 2 on the analysis that it says, cost pressures while the budget reflects citywide adjustments to major cost drivers, it does not fully offset inflationary and contractual increases. Is that changing moving forward? It's something that we would have loved to have included. At this point. There's certain expenses where we are expecting inflationary pressures that we have not been able to absorb into our budget. An example I'll give to you is trash collection. We pay for trash collection at all of our parks. We know that that's averaged anywhere between 6% and 11% over the last 5 years. That budget's being held flat, but

[35:12] It's an example of an area where we will have to make decisions. Do we continue the trash building services that we have? Do we pull trash cans out of parts? We don't know exactly what the inflationary impacts will be yet, but we want to try and work within our budget as long as possible before we have decisions. But that's not going to be factored in moving, Mike? You're not going to take some CPI number and put it in? Typically, we have CPI for different aspects. I think what's been really hard for us since 2020 is just the rate of escalation and the variation in where we are seeing increases. There's certain areas that have been held more flat, and then there's certain areas, like chemicals, that have gone up 30-40%. I'm looking at Mark, the planning team sees huge escalations on concrete, shrubbery, irrigation parts. That it really isn't a one-size-fits-all, that we can just assume it's 2.5%.

[36:04] all of our fund financials do assume a cost escalation CPI indicator that matches the Denver, Lakewood Boulder for all of the five out years in the fund financials, that we do have a general placeholder of 3% cost escalation built into our funds. Jackson, do we know if, like, we remove trash cans from… maybe this is an alley question, if we remove trash cans from the parks, like, what does that cost for… still remove the trash that's gonna get left behind? commit. So our experience… I'm, like, assuming that people will just lay trash from the ground. They will not. So we have, starting in 21, we began what we call the Wasteless trash program, and it really was to remove trash cans from sites that are smaller pocket parks. The only trash generated is folks walking through or two. Like, so, you know, in my neighborhood, if folks know the very small Catalpa Park, it has the mushroom things by the bus stop. That is a walk-through park for people close to home, versus a North Boulder park that people come from around the community. When we removed trash cans from those sites, we saw 100% compliance. We did education with folks to explain why, that we were, you know, it does… when we have a trash can, a small pump like that.

[37:14] 98% of the waste is dock waste, and it's folks like me who are out walking their dog, and it's easy just to drop it. It is just as easy just to carry it home. Or in my neighborhood, Melody Park had a trash can. So we've had a hundred… percent compliance until this year. We have a park in Boulder that we removed a trash can from, and we've seen increased compliance. We're at about 90%, I don't know the facts. The rumors are that one or two neighbors are still pretty upset about it and are collecting their dog waste, and they're like, we need to buy the tennis court for our team to pick up. So we're working on some shots of cheese. Subtle messaging. I was in the… I was in the National Forest a couple weeks ago, and there was a sign that said, you know, how are there no trash cans at this National Forest Trailhead? well, you know, you may have heard a flight got cut, we're trying to keep the trailhead open. Now, he said, be packed up, be packed in, what do you think of that on the side?

[38:04] Yeah, no, we… in 2021, we had a really great experience. We had folks ask us questions. There's a web page about it, on how it does align with Leave No Trace principles, and why it's good, and what it does for cost, and our ability to focus on maintenance and cleanliness in the parks. This year, unfortunately, that's tough. Okay, we're going to move ahead a slide. This goes to just the Permanent Parks and Recreation Fund. This is the fund that's, funded with property tax. Jumping back to your question, yellow indicates our capital spend, and that's in the top half of the chart. The blue is our operating chart, and you can see that our operating spend is very consistent year over year. In terms of budget, it's the fluctuation in capital that just aligns with what the sequencing of our projects are. This really supports measure number 3? I'm sorry, motion number 2 when we get there.

[39:06] So, this slide, is repeated in your… in the online budget book, it's also in the packet. It goes over just general areas where you will see changes in the budget. We have received a multi-year grant for our YSI program that provides mobile rec programming at manufactured home sites, that you'll see that. We have decreases in different areas, within our park operations. The restroom at Nathan Canyon has had a lot of ongoing vandalism that this would change to Porto Letts. And then we have various, contracted programs where we would have a decrease. Another proposal is decreasing the mobile security cameras that we have from 2 to 1 for a 6-month period. This goes with more permanent, security cameras being installed across the city. There's an administrative realignment, and then we are factoring in, cost escalation for increases to minimum wage and living wage, that are expected with the Boulder, minimum wage ordinance.

[40:09] On the right-hand side, we're just calling out some of those general whites and expenses that we're aware of. There's increases in technology. This just goes back to the number of softwares and licenses that we're supporting. We are seeing some decreases elsewhere. There was a question a few months ago from Prav about sustainability. We are paying down the debt for the solar services that we have at two of the rec centers, so that actually results in savings that we are able to put elsewhere, so… Overall, we feel very comfortable working within this budget. We did try to minimize as many service impacts to community members as possible, but we do realize some of these items up here aren't totally popular, but these were the best choices to maintain services to the broadest number of people. Question? Yep. Administration, healthy, and social… Yes. So you're removing one employee? Correct.

[41:01] from the Parks Department, or from that department? From the department as a whole. We have 151 FTEs, and there's one FTE, that due to administrative realignments. Not going to speak here next year. A question about the previous slide. What are transfers and cost allocations? Yep. Transfers and cost allocations are what we pay to other funds, to support with our general city attorney, office support, HR support, our finance, accounts payable, accounts receivable support. So that is just a small amount. They do a cost allocation based on how much, we're using those services. And we pay into that on an annual basis. So it went up almost a million dollars. I had, like, $919,000. Is there a reason? Across all three funds, there was an increase to, the methodology, or there was an increase, approximately a million dollars in Can't recall. For me, an increase went up from the .25, that is the larger fund. So this fund, we did some increase, for Fern Parks as well. It went up, about…

[42:10] 100 and something on this fund. So, smaller amount. It is a smaller fund, and it really is based on the operating sum and FTE count. Okay, well, I looked at one of the links that were, seen in the packet, and overall, it was $900,000, a little bit more. Is there… I mean, that seems like a pretty significant increase, is there a reason? that we know of for that? It was a significant increase. In 2024, there was a… they hadn't relied on the consultant for several years, and there was a new consultant that came in and really identified all of our costs. As a city, and this applies to the 39 funds that make up the city. We are all paying our fair share, and there was some changes to the methodology behind it, as well as a new consultant that just came in with a fresh perspective. Generally, we try to hold this at a 3% escalation, recognizing that's generally what CPI has been. But yes, there were significant concerns on our end this year. Yeah, so, open space and mountain parks, that's the best solution.

[43:13] W. One note I will make is that the Recreation Activity Fund continues to be exempt from those cost allocations. That's one of the very few funds that does not, which is the one implicit way that the city is subsidizing recreation. So, calling that out, there was no increase there, because those costs are not passed along to the recreation. And just for awareness, they did cost out what it would be, and that's over $3 million a year, so, it is a huge savings to us. Thank you. So what is the total cost allocation across all the funds? We shared with you in the July packet, I think on an annualized basis, it's about 1.2 to 1.4 million. We can come back to this question. But we went up a million for next year, so next year's two.

[44:06] We'll get you actual numbers, I don't recall it being quite a million, but… We'll come back to this one. Alright, that really wraps up the operating budget. Any questions before we switch over to the capital budget? Recreation operations, 322,000, increase in seasonal temporary led to an… oh, minimal maintenance. Yeah. Holy cow. And I think I will just call out, we have about 120,000 hours worked every year, within a dollar of minimum wage that there are a whole lot of hours and a whole lot of employees that, were impacted by. And that goes up year after year after year, right? There's a 3-year phase-in until 2028, and then starting in 2029, it mirrors CPI.

[45:04] Thanks. Thanks, I'm sorry, Justin. The, Cameron thinks they're under Urban Major, is that program that we're discontinuing? We're going to continue it. We're going to have one bus camera. The LVT trailers that you see at North Boulder Park towed over to Stock Carpenter Park. Utilities has 5, we have 2 currently. And then with Sundance coming, there's an intention to put more permanent cameras downtown. That this is eliminating one of our two cameras. Which one you're eliminating? Are they both in North? You should have one in Sky, one's in… We rotate them across the system, so… it's a surprise. Likely you were correct, $930,000 increase to cost allocation across the three funds, from 25 to 26. So it's almost 2 months. From Berks and .25 cent sales tax fund.

[46:00] And so that is roughly… 5%. of the budget is going to cost allocation. Correct. And I think what I will call out is when we benchmark peer agencies, we see anywhere between 12% and 18% going to administration. We obviously have some administrative expenses within Parks and Recreation. But those central SIM services are a huge value to us. The fact that we have a city attorney we can reach out to, and we don't need to go through a contractor is huge. Yeah. I'll add on that. So, Jackson, when we added up our admin costs, including cost allocation, we were less than 12%, I believe. I don't know, you were right at 12. Yeah. So we're on the low end of benchmark communities for what we pay in administrative costs. 12%? Including the 5%? I say that to say I know it is a significant number, and thirdly, when there are, like, oh, you could be fixing playgrounds, you could be other things, and I can call four types of an attorney and do on a frequent basis for colleagues in other cities.

[47:02] don't have that same benefit. Similarly, with the services we get from human resources. finance, innovation, and technology. I think all of our internal services have been underfunded, and to that point, like, we are behind in some of our systems, in terms of some of our support, so… I understand it's a lot of money, and I understand the concerns folks that have, and I am eager to see us have more resources in those areas. I mean, like, the city attorney Again, this might be a… Oops, I'm taking a last question, but… What do you… Jesus, tell her at TE, what are you paying for? Legal services and legal representation? From our city attorney? Well, so it's contributing to the cost of the office. So, if I… I'm gonna… in the last 6 months, we've gotten legal advice on employment matters, land use matters, construction laws. But all from the city attorney, or from outside counsel? No, from folks in the city attorney's office.

[48:02] But if they're full-time employees and they're already getting paid, what are you paying for? Because the general fund has other demands on its services, we have to balance the city budget, right? And so if we want to fully fund our police department, we want to fully fund our library department, they're having cost escalation also, and so services It's… it's a… I should let Jackson answer this, but this is a common practice across cities, that you have other funds you contribute to. Otherwise, it's… it is just the general fund is subsidizing everything, and it's… it's an unbearable cost. The use of certs. Right, I get it, but it's all going to the city manager's office, so if it's going to the city manager's office, and it's $2 million from us, and they've got all the other departments, and everyone's contributing $10 million to the city attorney's office, and other services I get. I just… I kind of wonder what then the city… Manager is turning the product. Like, that office is then taking that money, and it's not paying for This is probably just a layman's question. It's just… I think the difference is they aren't earning any revenue, they don't have a dedicated funding source like we do. So this is an opportunity for them to not charge for their services, but what is the break-even cost so Merrick

[49:11] So we are able to subsidize that across the board. You feel like you're getting value for it. I am so… when I talk to colleagues in other cities who either… like, my colleague in another city, he has 30 minutes with an attorney once a month, and if he needs more, it's about $100 an hour. I benefit from legal expertise often, and I pay nothing for it. Our innovation and technology colleagues and the resources we have around computer replacement and software technology and support for Amelia representation, and then in, similarly in human resources and finance, I think they are excellent. Thank you. I'll echo Ali's comments, so… All right, we're gonna switch over to the capital budget. The proposed capital budget CAP, in 2026 is just under $5 million.

[50:02] We've been talking about asset management versus parks and recreation facilities, so this just shows the breakdown. Approximately 30% of it's going towards maintaining our assets. The other 70% is still maintaining our assets, it's just going towards the park refreshes, the managed park projects, is why you see it broken out slightly differently. This slide zooms out and looks at the 6 years of the 6-year outlook. As a reminder, we're only appropriating, 2026 funds, but the CIP does have kind of written in pencil for the next 5 years what we intend to spend the money on. Once again, you can see that we are following that same general pattern of about 30% on our asset management, and the remaining 70% on parks and recreation facilities. We do have system planning called out here as well. This is an area that we spend about 3% of our budget on, but it's what helps us create those five 10-year plans. So the court system plan, the department plan in 2022 are two examples as far as system planning.

[51:04] This slide really just breaks it down by fund. You will see that the Parm Parks Fund in yellow on the left-hand side is what you're going to be recommending for approval tonight. This goes back to our diversification of funds, that we have a lot of different funding sources, they have different allowable uses. And on… then on the right-hand side, we have the $13 million in CCRS. This is for Civic Area and Pearl Street Mall. It does not include any of the funding for East Boulder Community Center. This really just highlights that CCRS is what we use to achieve the action and vision level from the department plan, and without this, we would have much fewer amenities to offer. This slide identifies what the permanent Parks and Recreation CIP projects are. North Boulder Park has a significant majority of this. You saw the concept plans for this about 3 months ago. There was significant engagement in the last month.

[52:00] Tom Watson Park, while this funding will come in 26, initially this was for a Phase 2, and due to the project delays that you heard about earlier tonight, we may be able to just commingle all of those funds and do everything all at once. And then I think all of these other projects really focus on asset management, and you've heard about them, several times over the last few months. Collectively, this adds up to just under $2 million, and that's the CIP out of the Permanent Park and Recreation Fund. Any questions on CIP? What's the Green Infrastructure Brothers? green infrastructure we used to call natural lands. I'm gonna kick it over to Mark. Yeah, working on, as you know, green assets for remote learning, everything from swales to green gardens to, you know, pollinator. So we're developing that and starting to invest money in it, and like any startup fund, we've got an allocation of funding to get it going, and then we'll get real more renewable data as we dive into it. We're partnering with our climate initiatives focused on analytics today. Thank you, thank you.

[53:09] So Civic Center's not funded at all out of the permanent personalization? No, it's funded entirely out of community CCRS. I'll just note that project's $18,000. We have to address zero projects for 6 years. No, I was just about checking to see, because you do… you listed the parks and Recreation, yeah, permanent fund, but I didn't… There's no other breakdown, so the… all of the money from the CCRS is basically going to Civic, right? So, hold. We have a million dollars going to Pearl Street Mall, we have $18 million going to Civic Area, and then there's another $53 million not called out, because it's in a different department's budget. So, the SIP is only funded Is there any other funds that are contributing besides CSERIS and permanent parts integration?

[54:01] The 0.25% sales tax leverage. And what's coming out of that? I… 0.2% sales tax fund, we have other asset management categories. Thank you. I think this goes back to the allowable uses that we try to really diversify and look at stacked funding for all of our different projects. Stacy will read you off some of the projects that we're funding a little bit. Yeah, so a lot of the other asset management, such as courts, general maintenance, irrigation, portions of parking lots. We do have some funding for 2026. And that, that is really it. So just for 2026, it's really just asset management. Okay, and what's the lottery fund funding? Lottery fund… Is spending, North Boulder Park, and then also Pleasant View Park, which was paused and is being re-hosted on the sides.

[55:07] Thank you. The reason we call out perm Park projects specifically is that's the charter language that you have approval over this fund, so that's the reason why you see a little bit more detail for PERM Park projects. Within your packet, there was an attachment A that identifies the fees. These mirror what you had talked about last month. We just want to really call out that by approving the budget tonight, you are allowing us to align the fees with that membership structure that was proposed, and this really just meets the revenue targets that we had put into the budget. So at October… in October, we'll come back to you with, all of our other fees. The membership fees were called out directly a little bit earlier, just given the significance, changes to that structure, and that's, why you saw them earlier. We will have increases to our golf course fees, which this board was supportive of earlier, and then we will have minor increases to our other fees, and that varies from a picnic at the reservoir, to a soccer field rental to,

[56:17] a swim lane. It's a reserve. There's a few examples for you. We are implementing our new software on November 14th, and this is our recreation service software. So with that, we do plan to phase in all of the monthly and annual price increases on November 14th. The intention behind this is really to simplify the billing and the customer transition for folks, so we are working on communications to all impacted users, but that really lets us have a clean start in the new software. And then on January 1st, we would have all of our new fees go into effect. And I just want to clarify, all of the fees, the Parks and Recreation charges go through what's called the City Manager Rule, where it gets published in the newspaper, there's a comment period, and then the fees go into effect.

[57:02] All of this is in the, revised code section 838, and it's something that we follow every single year. So, next steps with the budget itself, there was planning board last week, and that was, another board approval process. all of the other boards are going through their department budgets right now. We're actually the last department that, has a board to review the budget. The recommendation that all of the boards make feed into the City Council packet For the October 9th first public hearing, and then on October 23rd, there's the second public hearing. As Allie mentioned, this is kind of the final step of approval for the budget, and then in January, funds would become available with the 26th budget. Can I just, sorry to interrupt, the fees? Does those fees will include the… what we heard last month about the bundling, right? Correct, correct.

[58:00] And, the bundling, is that considered an increase? Or a change? So, I would say a change. Okay. The… we're keeping these flat for a standard recreation center membership, which would allow you access to all three facilities. Where you would see a difference is if you're also going to access the outdoor pools and the reservoir. And that's some of the statistics we shared with y'all, last week. The majority of our users have one or two rec centers that they go to, and so those people would not experience an increase. It's just that they want the other amenities on top of that. there would be an increase for that all-access pass. But they don't have to do the all-access. Right. And your net analysis of that wrap is that there will be an increase. We've been revenue. Correct. We've budgeted, I believe, around an $800,000 increase in the wrap holistically. 600,000. Oh, sorry, 600,000. And that doesn't need our approval, right? It's just… that's not an official… No, and the reason… the reason we're putting this through now with those, with the new RMS system, I think sales of the Brent Center memberships between

[59:14] really that Thanksgiving timeline and New Year's are very popular, so we want to run that campaign. We don't want to sell memberships at the current, structure, so we'd like to move forward with this a little bit earlier than all the other fees. I just wanted to note that we… I have received some emails from the community that are not happy about the increase in fees, although I don't really feel like I have a full view of what that'll look like until next month. And what I can tell you is, we do have modeled out the, the pass is there, so you can see, the dollar amounts that are… that are on here at this point. We are… we are pretty set. I think the biggest thing that you'll see on there is the slight increase. We're… we're reducing the subsidy level,

[60:05] for, youth and seniors, but… Our standard rec center membership for the three rec centers is not an increase. Come on. Great, I just wanted to print that out. All right, so in your packet, we have motion language. It's also pulled up on the screen. If there's any other questions, we're happy to address those. Has any department ever, forwarded to City Council their objection to the, proposed budget. I'm sure. I mean, I can't think of it off the top of my head, but… I can think of it in the previous organization I was with. I have not seen it in Boulder in 7 years. I would imagine it's pretty neutral. I think we want to, like, have a pretty good idea of why we're objecting through the question. No, yes.

[61:05] Okay. Any questions, or, Oh, I need to open the public hearing. Well, first, does the Prabh have any questions or comments at this time? We've asked all of our questions. I would now like to open public comment, if there is any public comment, a public hearing on this item. regarding approval of the recommendation on the 2026 City Manager's recommended budget. If there are any members of the public who would like to speak and have signed up ahead of time. The Secretary will now call on you. No one signed up ahead of time. Would we allow them if they raised their hand now? I think that's fine. Okay, please raise your hand if you'd like to participate in this Comment, period.

[62:02] Indeed. It looks like we have no participants. All right, no public input on… the budget. All right, would anyone like to make a motion to recommend the 2026 City Manager's recommended budget for the Parks and Recreation Department of 40 million at 764… $1,360. I will. Thank you. Do I have a second? I'll second. Are there any questions? or comments. All right. I just want to thank the staff for their diligent work on this note, and following RJ's process, and… That includes, getting all of us news up to speed, so thank you for As always, for your work on that. Thank you, it's appreciable. Would you like us to offer all the motions and then do the roll call, or would you like to do one motion at a time? We need them one at a time. Great, okay.

[63:06] All right, so since this is a roll call vote, I will now hand it over to the Secretary to conduct a vote. Just a moment… All right, Bernie? Right. Yvonne? Aye. Caroline? Aye. Robert? Aye. Jenny? Aye. Michael? Aye. And Kira? Aye. Thank you. All right, the motion passes. All right, next. Would someone like to make a motion to approve the 2026 recommended expenditures of $4,222,134 from the Permanent Park and Recreation Fund to City Council for Appropriation? Unmoved. Second. All right, I will pass it to Clarissa for the local vote.

[64:02] Bernie? Aye. Iman? Aye. Caroline? Aye. Rob? Aye. Jenny? Aye. Michael? Yes. And Kira? Aye. Thank you. All right, so moved. The motion passes. Would anyone like to make a motion to recommend the 2026 2031 Parks and Recreation Department Capital Improvement Program of $43,910,000 to the Planning Board and City Council for approval and adoption. For sure. Okay, thank you. I'll second. All right. I will, since this is a roll call vote, I will now hand it over to Clarissa to call the day. Bernie? Aye. Yvonne? Aye. Caroline? Aye. Rob? Aye. Jenny? Aye. Michael? Yes. And Kira? Aye. Thank you.

[65:02] All right, then that motion also passes. And I think that that is… That closes out our action item section of the agenda, is that correct? That's correct. All right. Moving on to matters for discussion. This will be presented by… I can introduce this item. So, this is the Parks and Rec Advisory Board's first touch with the update on the Boulder Valley Comprehensive Plan. We have colleagues from Planning and Development Services here. I'll let you both introduce yourselves and take it from here. Great, I'm seeing the presentation up… I'll start by introducing myself. My name is Chris Rangwoz, I'm a Senior Planner on the Comprehensive Planning Team. Sitting here with me tonight is Tucker Forrest. Tucker Worsch is also a City Planner on the project team, and Mark Davison's just down the stretch here a little ways, and he's been a really key partner for us.

[66:02] in planning and development services, and really ensuring that Parks and Rec vision, that's really outlined in the department planning is really implemented. through this comprehensive plan. I also see Charlotte O'Donnell just popped online as well. She's been a key partner, representing Arts Direct, like, upgrades plan update. Which, I'll admittedly say, no offense, Jackson, I tend to find the Boulder Valley Comprehensive Plan a little bit more fun in the day. Although, I do hope we coordinate our improvement program for all of our city departments, so I do sympathize and respect our budgeting process. But hopefully this will pull us out of the weeds a little bit of the budget and think a little bit more high-level, because that clearly is what the comprehensive plan is. We're here tonight to provide the Parks and Rec Advisory Board with an overview of what is only a once-in-a-10 year process that occurs, being a major update to the Boulder Valley Comprehensive Plan. We'll share a little bit about our staff approach to the policies that are found in the current comprehensive plan, as well as the overall landings framework.

[67:07] But then to get any feedback from you, on policy direction and potential policy changes for this update, the Parks and Rec Advisory Board feels, our planning team should really be considering. So, real quick, just to talk a little bit about the role of boards and commissions. Parks and Rec is an advisory board, you all know that, and so for Parks and Rec, the purview with this item is really advisory in nature, so the update process, that we have, as well as the policies, and the land use framework. Also, to help us, in identifying and shaping any changes to relevant policies to help inform next steps. And then, ultimately, a recommendation to Planning Board and City Council for the approval of the plan, which will come for a certain amount of time still. And something that is a little bit unique about this process, I will say, you can see on the top right, is the actual approving bodies, the adopting bodies for the Boulder Valley Comp Plan. It's City Council, it's Planning Board, but it's also the County Planning Commission and the Board Commissioner, so this is what we call four-body decision-making.

[68:09] type of system, and that's really because the Boulder Valley Comprehensive Plan includes areas in some unincorporated Boulder County, as well as city limits. So we, as a project team, have been working with Charlotte and Mark to drum up some questions that we think would be, informative for our team to get some feedback on from the Arts and Rec Advisory Board. So the first one is really taking a look back at the 2022 department plan and ensuring that the themes are fully reflected in the overall direction that this update to the comprehensive plan is headed, and if not, what areas need more attention. And then the second question that we have posed for the group, is really sort of centered around this understanding of a growing population in the Boulder Valley, and what considerations students make for how undeveloped or underutilized parkland across the system can be used, differently into the future to meet our community needs.

[69:04] So, we'll start really high level here, what is a comprehensive plan, right? And I've alluded to it a little bit already, but it's really that aspirational plan for our community. It's going to describe our community's long-term vision and goals. Typically, we're thinking 20 years out with this plan. It also establishes policies to address B2B needs. And so, you can see the diagram here, where the comprehensive plan. Now, imagine you're at cruising altitude in an airplane, you're looking out the window. That's kind of where we're at with the comprehensive plan update. And then we have other planning tools, that if we want to zoom in, so to speak, on a certain area of town that we're expecting, you know, a potential change in the future, then we have things called sub-community and area plans. Those are really meant to have more robust conversations with a particular neighborhood, or across the community for, again, particular areas within the city that we anticipate change.

[70:01] And then the ground level is really sort of our zoning regulations, as well as our code. So, I just want to provide the board from a breakdown here of how we designate different planning areas. And some of you may know this, like, it's the back of your hand. For others, it may be a relatively new concept, but this is what you're looking at. Here's a map of the entire Boulder Valley, including unincorporated areas of the valley. So, Area 1 is everything that you see in yellow here. That's the City of Boulder. City provides services to these areas. Area 2, are county areas that are currently serviced by the city, but, where ultimately annexation in many instances is encouraged, but could be considered. And then we have the Area 3 Rural Preservation, that's everything that you see in green, all of our open space system. And then the Area 3 Planning Reserve, which is just north of town. Can you show us exactly where that is? Yeah, I wish I had a little bit of a…

[71:00] Better map my person's not coming on. It's this sliver of land just right up here, and CUS36 kind of needs block away. Sorry for the folks online. But it's not hard. It's not highlighted. Right now, it's within the… Yeah. So is Area 2… what is the color for Area 2? No, Area 2 should be gray, it's also not on this map. Okay. I have a feeling what it is is actually Area 1 and 2 is sometimes what we call our service area. City limits is technically Area 1, but Area 1 and 2 is where the city provides services. Usually, if you're looking at an app like this, we have it indicated as a gray color. We'd be happy to send the athlete Plus or an official. Yep. So we have a lot of plans and tools and strategies in the City of Boulder, and so just wanted to take a moment to, you know, point to where the Boulder Valley Comprehensive Plan sits within all of those frameworks, and so

[72:04] You can see, and I'm sure the board is familiar with the Sustainability, Equity, and Resilience Framework 7 goals, of the organization. Those really are helping to inform the development of the Boulder Valley Comp Plan. And again, this is our 20-year vision document. We're working through a citywide strategic plan. This is more of that operational, what are we taking care of over the next 3 to 5 years. And then the things that you see in green, are additional implementation tools that are informed by the Boulder Valley Pump Plan. So, the Parks and Rec Department plan is an example of a plan that's directly reflective of the Boulder Valley Comprehensive Plan. I mentioned subcommunity and area plans. And then all the way down to the most detailed conversations, like we just had, about the operating budget and CIP, those are also, implementation tools of the Boulder Valley Comprehensive Plan. And the… so the top one is the one we're working on right now, the… the comprehensive plan. Yep. The other ones are not being worked on, because they're already done for now.

[73:06] Yes, we're not engaged in any subcommittee or area planning efforts. The last two was an amendment to the Boulder Junction Phase 2 area, the East Boulder Subcommunity plan. And then I want to say, and Allie and Mark, you guys can correct me on this, but there are not any department planning efforts underway right now, except maybe community vitality. They're actually on pause because the citywide strategic plan is a newer layer, and so there's an effort on the way to say what a department planning efforts look like in the future, so that you don't have 20 siloed department plans competing against each other at budget plan, and how do we align those department planning efforts more holistically? And so I think the next time we talk about a department plan, you'll see a modernization of that. It provides the department-level information we need for a strategic plan that takes a broader city look at financial prioritization. I have a question on area, too. Besides petitions from landowners, is there another vehicle where we decide to pull that into the city limits? Through annexation.

[74:09] That's really the mechanism that we use. Right. So how do you decide when… a property owner, would I need to approach the city, so it does happen, yeah, okay, yeah, thank you. But, like, the East Boulder Community Parts Project, the city is the landowner who is making the petition to analyze the property, right? It needs to be the property owner, so in that situation, if the city is the property owner, we could… see annexation. More often than not, though, it's the private property owner who's going to person that here to very much in. I will just point out, too, on this slide, although some of these plans, citywide strategic plan, department plans, subcommunity area plans. they're not being developed as we speak right now. They all will be looked at as part of the implementation to the Boulder Valley Comp Plan, right? So our vision's changed slightly, right, over the last 10 years, and so as soon as we have that vision and policies developed, the land use framework, then I think you'll start to see some additional planning efforts underway to implement a new vision.

[75:05] Okay, so this is the first time we've been to Pram, and so I just want to provide the board a bit of an overview of kind of where we're… where we've been and where we're headed in this process. So, it's been about a year now. October 19th of last year was when we had our official public takeoff. It's hard to believe that it's almost been a year. But that really was the focus of 2024. Fall of last year was doing a really kind of robust, really, existing conditions analysis for the entire Boulder Valley. As well as starting to kick off the project with the community to understand what our public process was going to look like. As soon as we got into 2025, we engaged the community with a series of questions and different engagement techniques and tactics to understand what the vision and values are in the community. 10 years later, from 2015. Throughout the summer, May into June, we've been developing and testing some concepts for change. What's the overall appetite for change in Boulder Valley right now?

[76:01] Over the back half of summer, we've been doing some preliminary analysis. We've been working in an ArcGIS model that has really sort of outlined what a future land use framework would look like, and we're starting to understand what some of those impacts could be. It's still very early in that preliminary analysis at this point. We've not really moved towards a preferred alternative, though we do anticipate that fairly through October and December, we will be moving toward a preferred alternative that will present to City Council for their feedback in December. So, January through March, we'll have that study session, in December with City Council, and then we will be drafting the plan, taking all of the feedback we've heard from the community, all of our advisory board, City Council, and planning board start to draft the plan. That draft plan will be made available to the public in March for review. We anticipate that we will be back with the Parks and Rec Advisory Board in March for a conversation around that draft plan. We can dig into specific policies that may impact Parks and Rec.

[77:06] And then we'll pursue adoption of the plan in June and July. And just a reminder that June and July adoption will require the approval, from four decision-making bodies, not just two, as is typically the case. Who's the… it's the County to City Planning and… Board of County Commissioners, the Planning Commission, Planning Board. Oh, Planning Commission. Alright. So, we've done so much community engagement. It's actually been really inspiring, just the breadth of conversation that we've been able to have with the community over the past year. We received… well now, over 5,000 responses, to various different techniques, online questionnaires that we've engaged with the community through. We've had over 41 different engagement opportunities. We've had 6 community-led conversations. I think we've had 4 or 5 now, actually, community assembly meetings, which is focused on, identifying and developing 15-minute neighborhoods in Boulder, and then I've had 8 partner, agency conversations.

[78:12] I will say, if you want to learn a little bit more about what specifically the community's been saying as part of this process, within the packet, we did link to a recent City Council study session memorandum, and within that, there is a link To our engagement summary, which breaks down, by event, by engagement opportunity we've had, what the key themes were that we pulled from those, and then how they've been used to inform the development of this plan. I have a question about that. Is there an aggregate? Is there an aggregation of all of those comments? Is some, you know, one summary, because I was paging through the… and I appreciate the granularity of it, you know, this event, these were these issues. Yeah. Is there some, maybe, larger overview of all of those? That is the summary that we have. Okay. reading through any of our past memos, you may get a little bit more, I guess, like an executive summary of kind of what we've been doing, what we've been hearing, what those different techniques and tactics have looked like.

[79:10] But yeah, I would say that really specific event-by-event summary is the summary that we put in weeks ago. Thanks. Yeah. Question? Not yet. Cut. Keep moving. So through all of that really, really robust and meaningful community engagement that we've been doing. We've come up with a draft vision and goals for the rest of the project, and the draft vision for the community reads, our community works together to ensure everyone belongs, to create opportunities for all, and to sustain the health of the Boulder Valley for future generations. And then the goals of the plan, there's a lot of goals, focus areas, vision statements, right? It's part of the planning process, but the goals for this project we really have aligned with the sustainability, equity, and resilience framework. For the focus areas, though,

[80:01] And I have in parentheses here that this is really what we've been hearing most from the community. These are not necessarily the focus areas that you'll see reflected in the draft plan. We currently have, like, 6 or 7 different focus areas. These were really just areas of focus that the community challenged us to dig a little bit deeper in. And so for that, we have inclusive local economy, safety, housing choice and opportunity, travel options. Climate action, food systems, and a multi-generational, multicultural community. So with that, I'm actually going to pass over to Tucker. Tucker's going to talk a little bit about, our approach to this update, both from a policy and a land use perspective, and how it's buried, and kind of where we're headed with this. Thanks, Chris. Yeah, so we'll start with the policy update. Sorry. So to remind the board that our policy and land consumption are very much a work in progress at the moment. Everything we shared tonight is up for debate, basically, but we're working on it, and it will be more finalized in the coming months. But this is the direction we're heading in.

[81:13] So, today, the Comprehensive Plan contains around 210 policies, addressing a wide range of topics in community services. And then a lot of our feedback so far has just been, this needs to be a lot simpler. It needs to be easier to read, it needs to be easier to flip through and find what you need. So… our approach to the policy update is to make it clear, simple, and resilient, so part of this will probably be having a lot less policies, and each of these policies, we kind of want them to have, stand on their own. They don't… we don't really want a lot of overlap between policies, we don't want repetitiveness, we just want every policy to have its meaning and that be that policy. So, the Parks and Rec, plan will be reflected in this, so reminder that this plan isn't really affected directly by the update yet. It might be guided in the future by our update, but the BUCP is not going to change this plan, and we will… we are also taking this plan into account as we move forward.

[82:09] Similarly with Parks and Recreation policy themes, these are what we were considering within the update, so equity, resilience. Growing beef and pressure on public lands and facilities as Boulder densifies, and then changes in recreation activities. So these are going to shape our policies, especially around parks and recreation, as we move forward. And then… to the land use side. So, similarly to policies, our land use map today, we kind of find this can be a little too complicated. There are 26 designations today, and there are some overlapping designations, things like that, that make it a little bit tough to understand, and especially for the community to understand what's going on with this map, and it makes… it kind of complicates city-side decision-making as well. So, similarly, we want to right-size this land use approach, kind of having the larger scale approach, so kind of having a whole neighborhood could be a designation or something like that, instead of parcel by parcel. Having really different land use designations, so a lot less overlap, and then making it more adaptable, so,

[83:14] kind of allowing multiple future outcomes that are consistent with the vision, but can adapt as, conditions change every time. Can I ask a question? Yeah. About that specifically? So, in my professional life, I deal with a lot of land use codes, and honestly, the easiest thing about the Boulder Current Land Use Code is the current designation. It's not complicated. It's residential, it's industrial, it's commercial, it's mixed use. It's non-complicated. So, I'm concerned about this. Okay. Because I'm afraid that if you go on a full neighborhood scale, things like public lands, public parks, and public use will end up Falling into something that's different than it is.

[84:03] Do you know what I mean? Like, if you're gonna do all of North Boulder Park and make it residential mixed use. what happens to the part plan? Like, how are you planning on distinguishing between Those kind of things within the neighborhood. You know what I mean? Sure, yeah, we can… we'll dive in a little bit more, hopefully we'll kind of resolve some of that. This, yeah, neighborhood scale approach, that's not necessarily, like, the whole neighborhood's going to be residential, but kind of having more limited, areas where we would use that parcel-by-parcel approach, was the idea. And North Boulder would still remain, right? That would be a parks designation. We wouldn't… imply that we would want. That's hard. mixed density residential land use designation on North Boulder Park. It's just a bit of a more broad scale. I mean, if you look at our land use map right now, and put it right next to a zoning map, you almost can't distinguish between the two, right? So, if you can't distinguish between the zoning and the land use map, then you kind of lose one of those, which is going to be a land use map, because zoning's…

[85:03] a problem, right? It's a regulatory tool. So, in a way, what we're trying to do is, and we'll touch on it a little bit more as we get into the presentation, but not define a neighborhood through a land use designation, but just be a little bit more flexible and more broad in how we apply those designations. Is that a tool to just put more density in the neighborhood. It's a tool that I think we're approaching it in order to provide more flexibility. So density. It could be, but not necessarily. It could be a totally different mix of uses. One of the landing designations that we're looking at right now is called local hubs, or community hubs. Yeah, and so that's just a reorganization of the types of uses that you may find in an area, not necessarily additional density. But if it's so… I mean, I was at the… Rob and I were at one of the things that you did at Casey, and it was a little concerning, the community hub concept. I think that's a great 15-minute neighborhoods, which I agree with, but in looking at those maps that day, it really appeared that most of our neighborhoods already are 15-minute neighborhoods.

[86:01] So, I just wonder… you know, you keep saying flexibility, but I don't… I mean, I'd like to know what that really means. Sure. You know, at that same event, it was a situation where we had Talking about these community hubs and dropping retail into the middle of neighborhoods in some fashions. There was a woman who was a coffee shop owner there, and she said, you could throw a coffee shop in the middle of Martin Acres, but in order for me to survive, it's going to take 400 transactions a day, which I'm not going to get in the middle of a neighborhood. So, I just would like… I would like a more specific Reasoning as to why… Instead of just more flexibility, but there's something behind that. What is that? Because I don't want to end up with a bunch of empty retail all over the city. Sure. In an effort to create 15-minute neighborhoods. I live in Gun Barrel. We're a 15-minute neighborhood, we have 10,000 people up there, and cannot keep a restaurant. So, like, I don't know what community hub really means, you know? Yeah. That's helpful. Thank you. Thank you. I'm sorry, can I just asked a question, like, thinking about our purpose as a parks board, like.

[87:04] Are we… is this going to inform location of future parks, or the creation of additional parks? I'm gonna try to focus a little more, yeah, on parks. So today, Our parks definition is park, urban, and other, and this does cover all parks and, like, recreation centers, basically everything the parks and Rec Department, has control over, it's a pretty broad definition today, which is, yeah, neither here nor there, but, Just kind of for reference, what we're working with today is this definition. And then this is our conceptual land use structure, so kind of breaking it down is neighborhoods, hubs, networks, and institutions. So you'll notice, we're placing parks and greenways in that network's designation. So, kind of breaking it into these different groups helps us kind of, have almost an extra layer, like, inform what these types of uses will be. So, thinking about parks and greenways as a networks might be some… might be slightly different than how we think about it today, but,

[88:14] it might help us kind of connect the system a little better moving into the future. So would innovation and production be, like, commercial? That's specifically… that's… so, if you think about the East Boulder subcommunity plan, kind of that… those areas in East Boulder that… there's a lot of office, but they might have medical innovations, things like that. R&D, probably, here. But where would 29th Street Mall fall into these? It could live in the hubs category. 29th Street Mall in downtown will be regionalized. Okay. Right. So yeah, networks, those are… will be parks and greenways, open space, and rural lands. So… today, open space specifically has a lot of its own land use designations, where we're kind of going to group those together into just one, and then parks and greenways will cover all the city parks, as well as, the greenways, so more areas, maybe, of the Boulder Creek path. And that doesn't necessarily mean, these areas will become

[89:15] Under Park's jurisdiction, but just grouping them together will help for the community to understand the use of these lands. Yeah, and then this is our long definition so far. We don't necessarily have to dive into this, but just understanding we are… We're interested in input on this definition, so, we can kind of maybe take the… what you can expect is kind of helpful to look at. So, areas designed for high-activity recreational transportation amenities, like sports fields, playgrounds, and multi-use paths, designed for more passive activities, such as open lawns, walking paths, and community gardens. natural areas with creek access, repairing trees and plants and seeding, and then events, community gatherings, and programs. And so this is the direction we're going with many of the designations, is kind of having more description about what it is, why it matters, and what you can expect.

[90:07] So you'll see more of this in the future, but, whereas the initiatives what we've had so far? So would that take the place of public use? No, we will have… So you'll see institutions will have civics, so not necessarily every… not everything owned by the city will be a park or a public, but it would kind of be more specific to what's actually happening on that land. This is a massive change. Right. Okay. Yeah, so we'll move forward, so… That's that for now, and then we have some upcoming milestones, so currently there's a statistically valid survey out, to 5,000 randomly selected residents in the planning area, that will close on October 17th, and then there's also an optional online participation survey for anyone who still wants to take it but doesn't receive that. That's kind of intended for

[91:01] possibly people coming into the city, and yeah, our students will have an impact on them as well. And then, yeah, you'll see that December 11th, we'll have a recommendation on our drafts, kind of policy and land use changes to the Black Board of City Council. The county will also be starting to keep them informed as well on the county side, and then in January, we'll have a community change request, review process, maintenance assessment that will be reviewed by City Council and Planning Board, and then release the public draft in March. having some more board engagement around that time, have that final draft of the plan in May, and then ideally the adoption process in June and July. And then, if you have, if you want to find any more information, especially about our engagement summary, our current conditions, snapshots of the existing conditions report, all of that will live on our bolderfuture.org website, and then, yeah.

[92:04] We'll move into… discussion. Mark will help facilitate it. I, I have a… Question. So I… as I understand, the goal here is we're supposed to… people, stakeholders, are essentially trying to anticipate what would happen in 20 years. Like, what… what changes in our demographics or use cases for parks? Should we try to anticipate? So, as I'm hearing you, if I'm wrong, you're saying, that perhaps we need to move to a more flexible land use model to adapt for future conditions. So, I was thinking of things like. You know, more 100 extreme heat days, like 100 degree or overheat days, and… Just my… it's more of a question than anything else, is making sure that any designations of parks

[93:03] Wouldn't limit the ability for parks to, for example, create cooling stations, misting stations, or whatever are needed in the future, so that it's not restricted or creates a level of bureaucracy that somehow the parks have to jump through a bunch of hoops to do. Or, more floods, more severe flooding, and being able to, you know, incorporate swale or storage for water in certain parks, so that would maybe be water infrastructure use cases. And so, again, if you designate a park depending on how the designation looks, would it somehow restrict us in the event we need to adapt to that new model? Or energy infrastructure, more power outages? What if the parks wants to incorporate, Charging stations, you know, the communities need some place to charge their, their their computers, or whatever, phones. I'm just trying to think of, like, what are all the… or even just, like, little things, like, okay, let's say a park, the community in 10 years says, we want to do some sort of, outdoor event at this park where we do movie night.

[94:17] And that's outdoor entertainment, so is that somehow going to be restricted because we've designated it very specifically and narrowly, so you can't do that in the future? Because this is, what, a 10-year thing, right? So we're trying to anticipate… is that right? Am I confused on this? Oh, it's not a 10-year thing. It's… go ahead, you can explain that. It's a 20-year… Oh, sorry, 20-year. Right, okay. So, anyway, those are the types of questions that, as I was reading through this, thinking. All right, that would be the only thing I would be concerned about, is I like the idea of more flexibility, because really, we don't have a crystal ball. There's only certain things that we know about the future in 20 years. We know climate change is going to get worse, and it's going to be more extreme heat, more extreme weather, so we know that for sure.

[95:02] And we know that there's gonna be changing demographics. So those are certain things that we know, and I would want to somehow make sure that parks Has built in some level of flexibility to adapt without having overly bureaucratic conditions that have been put in place. If that makes sense. I don't know if that's making any sense. No, I think that's really, really great feedback for us. I don't know if there was a question in there, but I agree with everything that you said, and it's also in our best interest to not over-designate some of these rankings, designations to where we're restricting, you know, innovative solutions. A lot of, I think, that work will ultimately come out of implementation items to the comp plan. There's probably going to have to be some code changes as a result of this framework, and really specifically what uses are allowed within different zoning designations. That's something that we'll take a look at, but having that feedback now, I think, is helpful for us. As we continue to evolve the overall designations and how they're applied at a landing level.

[96:03] Yeah, yeah, and sorry, just one last thing that I was thinking about, like, food service. I don't know, I don't know enough about how we… whether that's restricted in certain designations, but again, if… as our parks evolve. And people want food trucks, or, you know, outdoor entertainment facilities, like I said, like some sort of movie night sort of thing in the summers. I just would want to make sure that we have these broadly… written in a broadly… broad enough way that we can evolve with that… those changes of time. No, I appreciate what you're saying, and it's kind of like you're providing some specific examples, you know, to the earlier discussion, how do we craft that as a policy so it anticipates the trends that you're describing? And mostly, we know, you know, we're sort of focused on flooding. And now, to your point, climate initiative is emerging, which involves things like heat islands. Ensuring that we have the right sort of water policy for how we manage this, ensuring we have the right shade. And what's interesting about trying to remove the redundancy in the prompt time is also to be careful

[97:08] your point, contradicting ourselves. Hey, we're going to reduce water, or whoever increased canopy trees need water. So how do we write the language to make sure it's consistent, and we're not competing against each other? But what you're definitely pointing to there is the trends we need to capture at the policy level. And recognizing, previously, we did have more of a full focus, now we've got more of a kind of focus, not just that language. And when you get to review the final plan. do… the test for me is always, you'll think of a specific example, does that fit under that umbrella? Yeah. And is there another umbrella that we give that's only complicated? That would be the key in the next year. I have, two things. The first is, you know, just… I love how Boulder is community engagement, I think it's great, but in the community engagement, a lot of times I feel like people who attend those are really the people who are looking for change, not so much people who like the way that they are. So I feel like sometimes that information can be a little bit skewed.

[98:11] with that in mind, I have a question about how… because involved in the land use are in the comp plan process. Anyone can apply for zoning changes. Through that process. So, as an example, the fall fields at Iris, County-owned, zoned by the city. The county has submitted a request for a rezone from public use to residential with no restriction. And they'd like to get that done through the complex. So… I'm very concerned about that, and I wonder how people are going to know that something like that is happening through the comp plan. I realize it goes through the planning department, and there's a public hearing, but it's just buried under all of these other gigantic changes.

[99:01] So I'm wondering how you think that will be managed along with all the other smaller zoning changes that are going to be requested towards Fosto. We will treat this one no differently than any other application that we get. And for this, it's… just to be specific here, it's not for zoning changes, it's for land use changes only, or changes to the service area, or any sort of policy or tax provision. So we have received the applications from the county. Over the next month, we'll be reviewing all of the applications that we get against criteria that we've developed as a staff, and we'll ultimately bring a recommendation forward in January to Planning… to Planning Board and City Council. about which of those requests we recommend should move forward for additional analysis. So, depending on the action that Planning Board and City Council take for the IRS property, we'll either be directed to move forward with that and do more detailed assessment and analysis on the requests that we've received. For a lot of our applications, and not just the county site, we have to ask ourselves as well, can we do a sufficient community engagement and planning process, due diligence on our side, essentially?

[100:10] to come up with a good recommendation for several properties within the scope and the timeframe of this comprehensive plan update, right? So whatever we take on, we need to be able to complete that analysis, that assessment, by the time we go for approval of this plan. So we'll take a look at that application against that lens, against the overall policy direction that this comprehensive plan is headed, what kind of changes have occurred in the surrounding context to some of these sites. But we will not initiate a community conversation around any of these requests until a public hearing. That is really the opportunity for anybody in the public to make comment on any of the requests. For the requests that do move forward past that initial screening, where we will do a deeper dive, more analysis, there will be opportunities for the community to engage on those applications specifically before they're potentially included in the draft recommended plan exploration.

[101:04] Because, I mean, in my eyes, the future of that site lies solely with the City of Boulder planning staff right now. Is that incorrect, do you think? Oh, I think that's a tricky question. I don't know that it is fair to say that the entire future of the site hinges on the… Are the entire future of the ball fields part of it? No, I wouldn't say so. I mean, there's a lot of… conversation that the planning department wants to have with the community on the future of that site. Finding the appropriate time to have that conversation, even maybe I think it's going to be a little bit of a tricky part, given where we're at within this comprehensive plan update. Yeah, I realize I may not directly answer your question, but… Yeah, I'll just say, I think that's an… I think that's an unfair question, just in the manner of the county is the property, right? And so… but not staff, the staff level, right? Like, that's… I mean, I think that really is a… it's going to be a question around the standards and everything in the code around changes.

[102:05] to… and it's land use or zoning, just land use, right? Yeah, and so whether it meets the criteria and all of that, I mean, just to Chris's point, it… It is tricky and complicated. I want to say on behalf of myself, that, As chair of this board, never have we had anybody come in here and say they want less fields than… We're already below our level of service on ball fields. And, I understand we also have a housing crisis. But, I would like to make sure that you take that into consideration as staff looks at that particular request for a change. Absolutely. Because I, I think that there's a way to come on. And then, and I also think that changing… I know it may not be public use, as these particular things may pass through, but I think it's a really scary precedent to set to change any public use, or an entire parcel of public use, without subdividing into residential.

[103:10] It just sets a precedent that we may not be able to get out from under, and as a parks department, and as a board, I think we should all be very alarmed if something like that were to happen. With a growing population, what considerations should be made for how undeveloped and underutilized park land? should be used? That's a… that's a really good question. I wonder if we could pause in here if any of our members and board have anything else to add on that one. I mean, zoning… Or land use is aspirational. It's not specific. It's aspirational, it describes the vision, potential uses that could exist on property. Zoning is going to really regulate that and dictate that, putting reform into the bulk standards, what can actually be built on that personal property. What do you consider aspirational?

[104:00] Just curious. Well, that's just kind of definition. Definition. Right. Like, where would you want recreation? Where would you want… this kind of density, where would you want housing? Where would you want regional homes? aspirational fields. Like, a funny just feels like a funny word, so… It feels like a subjective or something, I don't know. Sure. But I thought we were looking at these… Community Health and Wellness, financial sustainability, and looking to see if those were… covering all the bases. I thought that's what my mission was to. Am I wrong? Oh, okay. So… You're correct. Oh, okay. Yes, you're welcome. That's incorrect. That is correct. So then… then maybe I should correct what I said earlier. I guess when I look at those.

[105:00] They all look pretty good, but what I didn't see were things like parks being potentially used for cultural events, food services, climate adaptation purposes. So I didn't know if they… to me, I didn't clearly see that fitting within those… pieces. Or, urban agriculture, like, at some point in time, am I wrong on that? Is that… is that part of this, somehow? You're looking at a two-sentence summary of a, what is, 15 pages of the department. Okay, okay. So that's the summary of the key theme. Each has policies and initiatives to achieve. Scratching. Okay. And basically it's saying, you know, just look at those. themes, and you're saying, hey, make sure the goal is time this night, make sure the global plan emphasizes this, does this, and then it's the… 100 or so, rather than 200 policies a note, how do we capture that within the policies? So, to your point about urban ag, not for our electric problem. Metro was the old model, when you might too much to the outside, working convenience. The planning now has changed a lot to make it to the intersectional through communities of an act.

[106:04] With the food policy, and hopefully report some of that. As we get into that sort of trend, that's where food is more locally available to grow. process to be within the community, and so that's a good example of some of that. I proposing, hey, I'd like to see more on there, but I… And how can we develop that through the policy? Chris has to head back and say, okay, let's check our policies that are emerging, does it fit in there? How does it fit? And then we come back and sort of say, here's what we heard, and here's how it… Right, more just, I don't want to be precluded in the future. Like, I don't want any… I want it to be flexible enough, the designations, to allow for these other… Great. But not so flexible that we build housing on top of parkland. That's my concern. Yeah, we're overly flexible, I don't sure… No, certain functionalities that, again, we don't have a crystal ball. We don't know what, in 20 years. Boulder sound, right? Well, you guys probably do. That's what you do for a living. In the last 10 years, I have no idea what the next 10 years look like.

[107:09] It's easy for us to grade. First to grade is high level, and Ali, who spoke to this as Area 3 managed. We have our service levels. about as… Population growth, major densification, major skill growth, the event, and annexation. The current land we have We'll just keep the service level same. Increase the service level. So, to your point. Part of that policy is how do we make power plants still fit the goal of our community when this is a city which farmer and fits outdoor recreation? Right, yes. It's trying to confirm, even though it seems obvious, it's trying to just confirm those trends. No, I'll say, too, that it's not just the land use framework, right? It's also the hundred or so policies. I think there's language and policy that we can develop that speaks to this, in addition to how we describe the land use framework and how parks fits within that land use framework as well.

[108:04] I think community health and wellness is a perfect example of that. I mean, if you want to keep that as a big general framework. We have to keep our plan, and you have to protect our public use space yet. Things like that, so… you know, I'm just a steward of that sort of green space, and I want to make sure that we do a good job of maintaining it, and again, my fear with these changes is just that some of that is lost, and flexibility will create the opportunity to less than what we already have when we're having a growing population, which will have no place to recreate. So I just, from a parks perspective, to me, it's really important that we make sure that our spaces are protected here. I guess what I'm… sorry, I'm dragging this out here. I guess what I'm trying to think of is just more how do parks… because I'm with you 100%, that moved to Boulder for that reason.

[109:00] Arts. You'd have to have green space. But how do we make some of our parks maybe potentially do double duty? For some of these other future functions that we might need or want. That's all. No, it's a great point you're raising. Our neighborhood parks is underneath 8 acres. There's, on average, about a two-week, sort of, fully developed footprint, let's say. That's in Flatwood or Palm Beach or the areas we can developers. So there is 6 acres there that typically meet for some trees. Does it have a climate function? Does it have a new recreation agility climate function? So I'm getting a bit specific there, let's trying to answer your question, yes, how are we Meet emerging trends in progress and recognize, surface level needs. And that's the sort of stage in which you know, they're real clear. to give us the guidance that, as Ali's directed, when this department strategy emerges, it's covered by that plan. I'm shocked that you haven't had the names on telecom.

[110:04] I'm good. I mean, I'll just make my own comment. I hope that as we take this forward, we can see how this will all tie into a transportation plan. And I was… and… I don't… nobody here is talking about production, other than this one parcel, which is not our purview as the city's board. We're not talking about removing our plan as an objective. Okay. Wow, thank you for saying that. Except for the fall fields. Except for that one parcel, which the cow he owns. Yeah, which could be a strategy. We're the county, but we're a city board. Right, but it's still the land use, the designation was determined by the state. Okay. So it's boulders, public… city boulders, public use. I understand. Yeah. Yeah, but I think we're not talking about just dispatching, we're disposing of parkland.

[111:01] Generally, as a policy matter. Right. Well, potentially, because it's going to come up in the family. Potentially. I… there's… there's no conversations that have been had about exposing our park land. We realize that the asset and the value that our park land brings to the community, and the community's expressed that to us as well. So no, there's… there's no… Conversations being had about I mean, I only bring it up because the actual request was made already to the city, so you're sitting on a request for a zoning change, or a land use change from public use to residential with no restrictions. That's currently in the works. Yes. And then we have to decide what to do. That's accurate. Are there other examples of parked land that the county owns between the bathroom in the city? There's the opposite. You know, hard land at the county. Yeah, there's always an active poll in that sense. There's never one. Well, what I'd like to know is, like, Jenny's very concerned about The potential zoning. Change. Group change. Land use change that could impact parkland. I mean, and we all, I think we all agree, like, no one wants less park, right? Right, okay.

[112:07] How big of a potential problem is this, beyond the one park where it is currently a problem? We are not seeing anything at all in that regard. In fact, I'd say, think of it, maybe try to think some of the other topics that are critical to this. The chance to combine parks and greenways. I have, and again, my previous experience looking forward to Metro. you're creating a system-wide network of parked key ratingways that are connected, and therefore you can actually increase access to those spaces, maybe a slightly longer distance than 400 miles. So, what would be the way you do that? It's, well, let's have a better multi-use, multi-model. Service, or equitable for all folks to access. So you can start to make the network more efficient and more usable. So that's one thing we could find at no policy is, you know, how do we ensure transport for all Access the bulk system.

[113:01] And that's a critical piece, because there is barriers at the moment, you know, so I ordered my free must have been British, for example, at a very small space. So you're saying that that would potentially create a little bit of land use change? It's not a land use change, it's more in the, to the point of the policy, how do we… a policy would, say, make the most use of the park land by increasing access to parks, fuel transport. Moving forward. So you're trying to make it more efficient for your government. And that doesn't require land use team to know that. Overview, policy, and action number. Which would end up in a land use change. I'm sorry, I'm sorry to put it that way, it's just… I deal with land use, so this… this concept, to me, it's like, it's that everywhere I've ever dealt with has the same land use policy as we do now. What you're talking about is… significantly different than the hundreds of codes I've ever read. And so that, to me, is very concerning as to what kind of a precedent that could set, how things are gonna… could immensely change in Boulder over the next 20 years, like, majorly change.

[114:00] That's my concern. So, I mean, just making it more efficient, yes, but at the end of the day, when you're talking about flexibility, are you talking about density? I mean, what is the flexibility of goal to reach? Because there's always a goal to reach, you know, in the interest of all the staff's time, I think that… I just… you don't have to apologize, I think that that point's been heard, I've heard the signal of it. I would love to hear other conversation from the board. on the questions from the Comp Plan, because this is the opportunity. As the Parks and Rec Advisory Board. There is lots, lots more community engagement coming on the comp plan, but if there were other thoughts on on this note, I'll pose a comment on this piece around just undeveloped parkland and thinking about considerations for As Boulder continues to grow. We're not at… we're not at full built-out. We are… we do expect we're going to see densification in areas that are underdeveloped, right? So there's all kinds of areas I can point to, East Boulder, right, that now has a sub-community plan. Belmont City Park, we're going to want it to work harder to support that area, right? So I think what we would love to hear from you all is we think about just not only undeveloped land, but we have underutilized help. So, for example, at Foothills Community Park, everything to the west of the parking lot and south of the shelter is parked land.

[115:18] We've got a temporary dog park there that we've put there to keep away prairie dogs, but the site plan for that site has ball fields and tennis courts there. And so I think we're… what we're asking for is just your thoughts on, as we try to meet the needs of the community into the next 20, 30, 40 years, are there things that you think are missing or not being thought about? And Jenny, one of the takeaways I'll take what you're saying a step further is. What I hear you saying, and we share the interest, is talking about levels of service for parts, that no matter how well there changes over the next 20 years. can we make sure the policy supports that we're healthy and socially thriving, right? That is a key outcome of a therapy.

[116:00] And so I have confidence in that as an outcome. I think it's woven throughout the policies of the plan. Okay, so all my stuff. I'm not sure if this is… Exactly what the question is asking for, but… staff has said this, and I think it's great that we're looking at it. Just, like, moving forward, whenever we do develop something, or we find a community need for something. that, again, you know, budgetary-wise, we don't get into a South Boulder Rec Center situation, and that whatever we do decide to build for the community, we can maintain it. It's… wildfire resistant. So just those types of budgetary things moving forward, no matter what the community decides. There's not a bike now. to dealing with. Say that again? And it's not a bike path. And or a bus line.

[117:04] No, could you just clarify? He wants white pants, white pants, yeah. Excellent. Any other comments from our questions? And I would say for this thing, we're kind of picked on it. We're coming at a very high level. You know, a lot of stuff, when we get to the actual policy work, is when the government meets the world, isn't it, and there's more to respond to the window, so that will… The second question is kind of hard to answer today, right? Yeah. And it's just, it's really after confirming this idea that we need to repair service levels or increase, we need to retain background that we've got, we need to make a more connected system, more accessible. those policies at the moment are great to help us move forward and start right now, you know, from that vision level, how do we now get that into policy level? How many acres of undeveloped or underutilized park land do you think we have? 300?

[118:02] 300. Marky, were you going to say more? I gave the easy number, because there's 100 at Belmont and 200 in the Area 3, right? There's probably another 100 scattered throughout the system. Yeah, we're going through a process next year to dive into that. We'll be coming back to the board with that. look like. But it's a great point. We've got, like, 6 parks, and then I regroup them and named them, and we need to assess Where there's the obvious ones, plus where there's the smaller, like I mentioned earlier, the middle of the park. Is there a map? Yeah, of the 300 acres. So, we could make something big, but what I'll emerge next year as a whole modified version of that, whatever. Do you… do you track? park utilization? That's part of the effort coming up next year, because we've got park numbers for the right activities, how do they use the amenities? You know, if you have things like park score, park quality, so that's what we're developing to get a better handle on that, and that's what we'll be working on in the next couple years. Does any of that happen during the CAPRA?

[119:06] It's… the camera helps… has got guidance by, like, stating you should do this, and then there's a ton of different like, planning functions out there, if I would get to those numbers, and we'll try and pick the simplest one in these systems. Thank you. Yeah, I think just future conversations, it would help to have some numbers about How the parks are performing, and what we have that's under development and underutilized, and any ideas that you might have to present would be awesome. I just wanted to say thank you, because… I don't usually get a chance to get directly in front of the most important people, so thanks for letting me just have the stage there. I mean, when it comes to the comp plan only. Casey and Jackson are very important. Yes, they are very important, but very… Sorry, I have one other thought, like, I hope that we can think about,

[120:01] you know, we build towards the hub model or a 50-minute model, I hope that we'll also be thinking about, like, if there is a need for additional BBSD facilities that we think about how to attach that to parkland, if there's going to be… You know, another branch of the library somewhere that we put that apart, when possible. Those kinds of… interconnect duties. Yeah, oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a great point, yes, no. And it's, you know, Primos is a good example of that, with the health library to utilize both spaces and not duplicate services. Yeah. put that into a higher level policy integration. They already do quite a good job of doing ODC. Are you also looking at, like, South Florida Rec Center, for example, that may need to be completely replaced? A complete, not to take away the Rec Center, but, like, an integration of different uses for that? I think that community, or is that out of that scope?

[121:00] That is an October conversation. Oh, really? Yeah, so land use is not precluding any of that when I'm talking about. Awesome. Well, I just want to say thank you all for the constructive feedback. We heard you, we heard you well. I realize this is probably a little bit tough to what may feel like you're jumping in at the halfway point in this planning process, and as a board, I think that can be a little bit of a challenge, so thank you all for giving it the best you might have given us. some constructive feedback, I think we heard that, and we have some stuff that we can take back to our broader team. And continue developing our overall approach. My only ask is be champions for this process, with your family, your friends, your other community members, your networks. We do have our Statistically valid survey open right now, and so if you or any of your neighbors have received a little form in the mail, please do fill that out. And then, as Tucker mentioned, we do have an online companion survey. In case you weren't selected to take the statistically Vital Survey, you can still go online and do so. So I would encourage you all to fill that out if you haven't already, but help us spread the word, too. We do have a lot of community engagement coming up that we're excited about.

[122:03] So it would be my only ask, is this a tool championing project for us, and when we come back in March, I promise we'll have some more, in-depth conversation and a lot more policy-specific material, hopefully, for you all to respond to. Thank you very much. Thank you for all your hard work. Madam Chair, I have a proposal for you all to consider while we reset. We probably… we are at 8 o'clock, we probably have a solid hour, or maybe a little more ahead of us. Do you… what we need to reset here? Maybe a 5-minute break? That sounds great, thank you. Well, great. Do I have a motion for that? No, I just want… I… it's not on the agenda, so it's bring them all to discuss. Move your bodies, wake up. Five minutes. 806. EFS and other presenters throughout the day. Interesting, they make news. Thank you very much.

[123:02] Jackson State, what's like… I was gonna say… It's got an email from your wife. Oh, yeah? Oh, great. And she asked me when I was coming home. Okay, yeah. Yeah.

[124:03] We don't take forever. No, I am. Oh, regular. That's a good job. It's a pretty good. Yeah, so I'm done. We have a lot of different elements in Israel. That was my interest of Virginia. I actually also just ignored it. You should take my fucking mountain bike.

[125:01] Only in mind. activate it. Uniformity. 21-3, halftime. Oops. 21-3 halftime. Yeah, he threw a pick from the 2-yard line on 4th and 1. With 2 minutes to go, and somehow they got the ball back, and they went down and scored a touch to it. They threw a pick in the end zone. She just saves. Oh, it should have been… should have been more. out of the half miles from the stadium with us, 20 minutes just to get out of my neighborhood. Oh! They shut down full packs, they shut down the federal… I was gonna say, you might as well stay and let the game end, and I mean, you got another full another half to go. Why are you gonna be fighting traffic? So, I don't working. Thank you for having me.

[126:00] No problem. Okay, I don't know. Yeah, Brian, I think you can do this presentation in, what, 14? I was gonna say, cause… Other than that, on the agenda, after this presentation, we have CAPRS stuff. Matters from the board, board liaisons, because we have so many new board members. CCRS… Yeah, Mark's paper. You know, that's the one that I was saying about. Yeah. So we'll see. 1, 2, 3. I'm just doing the… I'm just doing the thing here. Yeah, got it. Oh, and you mean, like, presenting to things? Oh, okay. So I had a moment ago, I was like, how have you heard of this? I got the sights, but… Alright, here we go, 806, so…

[127:04] The Rockers are up 21.3 and a half! Wow! It's because I'm not watching, so I'm not chasing them, right? Anybody? My whole life, buddy? Oh, of course. Cincinnati, too. Or, I mean, Miami. Nice. So, yeah, I think only if they got 2 minutes left, they have a 27.13, so I'll bring you there. Goodbye. Okay, 806, calling back to order. We have gone through our matters for discussion, now we're in matters from the department. Our first item of business is the community access grinder.

[128:02] Presented by… Scott's gonna give this item off. Scott's gonna kick this item off, and so, joining me are Chris Passarelli and Brian Beery, and so they'll introduce themselves as they get going here, but, Clarissa's getting that PowerPoint pulled up real quick. And I will just share… the whole point of this is, so, first of all, our mission is to collaboratively provide high-quality parks, facilities, and programs to promote the community's well-being. And so. collaboratively is a key word in that, and that's what this is all about. And so, these two gentlemen are going to talk about the community access framework, and what it means, what it does, but specifically, it's about aligning community use of our facilities, so that's indoor and outdoor facilities. And working with partners, and making sure that our fee policy is aligned, and really activating our spaces. So, they're going to talk about those details, and how this ties into our 2022 plan, the fee policy.

[129:04] and the work that they're doing to, to make sure that we're really getting going on things. So, Clarissa, you can go forward one slide. So, So, the goals here today are to connect the project with the department plan and the fee policy work. They've created a framework, and we're still in progress a little bit. We're working out some of the details with the city attorney's office and whatnot, but it's getting close. And then identifying some potential pain points or opportunities to mitigate those issues. Again, with the goal to better collaborate and better provide services for our community and make it easier for people to activate our spaces. So, with that, I'm going to hand things over to Brian. Thanks, Pat. Brian Beery, one of the recreation Managers. And, you know. In terms of connecting the goals of the project with the fee policy work, and to provide some additional context, I can share, I'd probably start with the question of why are we talking to you about this now? And I think it's pretty fair to describe this work as just as important, but not necessarily at the same scale

[130:10] as some of the other major elements of the fee policy, like the facility entry fees, or cost recovery goals for programs that you've definitely spent a lot of time discussing already. The components of the Community Access Framework, I think we'll probably just call it the path if we could tonight, which are primarily rentals, permits, and reservations, are relatively small dollar, and they have a pretty, low overall community impact. We're talking about hundreds of permits a year that we issue, not thousands. So these are very much Almost the odds and ends, that have been fragmented, but not fundamentally broken, in our system, but are definitely ripe for some improvement in that stream approach. A prime example of that is a commercial use. pilot program, so where someone has commercial gain on property, that has somehow lasted 14 years being in a pilot set. And, you know, we're looking for the opportunity to take those trading wheels off and have a consistent approach, in the practice and rental or reservation of public spaces.

[131:17] It also became pretty clear in, I think, both the CAPR accreditation process and the department plan updated 22, that if we pull all these disparate threads that are kind of spread out in different areas across the department. That, you know, they can support some of the larger department and even some of the citywide goals. So if we do this really well, And effectively, we can support the sustainability, equity, and resilience goal of the healthy and socially thriving community. We can provide a wide variety of activities for people, all people in our system, a responsibly governed department by tying some of that pricing To impacts on spaces. And then in the 2022 department plan.

[132:03] Community health and wellness, we have an initiative there about being a facilitator, collaborator, and leader with local organizations, and providing, prioritizing the thoughtful planning and management of outdoor public spaces to achieve overall community health goals and outcomes. And financial sustainability, we say that we shall determine the actual cost of an activity or service using a standardized method that emphasizes consistency of data inputs, analysis methods, and measurement of financial performance. I think you wrote that one, Jackson. But essentially, we need to know that we have, align processes across the department, and that we can apply that fee policy universally, not just in those big bucket areas. And so those are the main policy goals for this project, but The part that's really most exciting for me is, the way this work is going to provide a platform for other initiatives that are aimed towards developing and maintaining partnerships.

[133:05] Increasing access, and really providing just a straight-up better customer experience. I tell Chris, that no one's going to talk about our standardized methodology, about damaged deposits in the future. They're really going to care if it was, like, easy to find an accessible, reasonably priced spot to have a family reunion, right? They want to know that there's a bathroom. there's a barbecue grill, and, that they can apply for an alcohol permit for that space, right? So we're trying to reduce barriers in this process and make it easier. Which, in turn, supports equity. And that really syncs with what we heard from the community when doing engagement with renters. They want simpler online forms, consistent process across different spaces, and a more intuitive system to navigate some of the tools that we have. And then for existing commercial users and admin staff, they pointed out that there's inefficiency in quarterly back and forth on reporting. Right now, that system is based on attendance and requires a lot of

[134:10] emails and phone calls and tracking down and billing, and that a lot of those revenues are actually minimal. So after all that hard work, those minimal revenues aren't really connected to some of the site impacts. And our favorite example here that we like to use is that there are camps that are operating in parks that could be earning potentially tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars against a very low-cost permit, while we have other contractors that work directly for the department, that are held to a higher standard to deliver similar services that are operating on a revenue share model. So we need some consistency for all of these practices. And that's our problem statement. That's why this project is needed. Chris is going to tell you about how we addressed these issues so far, but I'll also just mention, and I think I mentioned this a little bit earlier when we were talking through the consent agenda, is that as a project that touches multiple service areas and department goals.

[135:05] Our leadership team opted to resource this work through what we call a matrix team. They have 5 or 6 of these a year, typically, and they have representation, of all levels of staff, from senior managers to folks answering the General phone line to the actual folks that are cleaning up park shelters after rentals. And it gives that wide range of perspectives, gives some professional development opportunities for our team leads, and then helps our staff be part of the solution that we're trying to pioneer here. So, really proud of how they dove into this work. Clarissa's on our team, too, so there's anything we missed, Clarissa. And so with that, I'll pass you over to Chris, our project lead, to hear how elements we've focused on so far. Yes, absolutely. And yes, I'm Chris Pastavelli, pleasure to meet all of you this evening. I've just met Ernie so far, so I'm just racking it up here. As Scott said, right, there's a lot of details that we're still putting a fine point on, but Brian described excellently where we're trying to go here.

[136:03] So, don't worry about getting into the nitty-gritty on the slide, but we had to start by organizing our spaces and our users. Right? And you have to do that in consistently manner. We've got park spaces that might have a boundary around them, they might not. There's even more rooms, and so just this is serving as an example here from our aptly named brand matrix that pulls together our spaces and sorts them. Five of the things you can see there of, okay, it's an indoor space, Could you do a single event rental there? You have alcohol, right? We need to just have these things easily squared out, put lines around it. And with that comes definitions. What does it mean to be able to run a single event hornton map? And so, a lot of this is what we're pulling together to make sure that we're putting everything through a consistent pipeline. And over on the far left of this, though, I am indicating to it, there's use type and site type. We started from a very user-centric perspective here. So, it's not so much, oh, do you want an exclusive park space, or what do you want to do here? Do you need a dedicated sports facility versus you're looking for an event space?

[137:11] So we've tried to create this from the ground up to really organize it based on the intent of the user. Finally, as the partnerships were to go flesh out in the coming year, we want to be able to identify those customer types. Are you doing it for commercial gain, or just personal use? All the way up to what is the level of mutual benefit that we are, exchanging together, and hopefully float and all sheds here. So, this slide here is just working to organize our spaces and our users so that we can create good policies to lead them equitably. They're not my science. Thank you, Clarissa. So as far as how do we… Actually build those strong relationships with the customers. To do this all the way from large event organizers, right, we have massive triathlons, all the way down to local community groups, and early conversation earlier, right, besides passive recreation.

[138:01] Can we facilitate cultural events here? Can we make cool stuff happen that is brought to us from the community? And so during early engagement, we reached out to existing customers and folks that might have a good sense of where the friction points are in our existing systems. And we did find that we wanted Spanish language access, But… the insurance and deposit procedures that we've had in place can be quite on us, and so we're working with our friends in risk and the city's attorney's office to find, within the bounds of code, how do we make this work well for people? We're balancing our risk with their ability to start something up and having it instead. Related to the commercial use, pilot, we're looking into creating an annual customer permit, and this would be sort of a ticket for entry for organizations and things, so that we can get all the official information we need up front. And, get any insurance that needs to be on file, so that they can pull the trigger to make, again, move things happen.

[139:02] This would also help us keep straight through an official record and making sure everyone is… I'm sure that those renting are keeping up dining. And then I did mention the integration with partnerships, so I won't, belabor that. That's head to the next one. Thank you. Bang, so the last… out of these components here is really making those intuitive interactions for users, right? They're coming in, they know they want to have a party, but can we get them to, here's exactly what you do to make that party happen? And so, part of that is defining the bounds. What are the edges to this? There's already an amazing citywide special events process. A lot of departments collaborate on that. So we are not trying to change the CERT process. But we're making sure that our procedures are not going to bootflip the pose. Food trucks, similarly, we don't issue the licenses for them, but currently, through the zoning and the explicit language in code, only a few of our parks are even allowed to have mobile food vehicles partly by.

[140:07] We want to at least lift the code restriction on that, so that we can make sure that the use fits what we're trying to act with here. It's part of that, too. They don't just have to serve food. There's a million other cool mobile businesses out there now, and so we need to make sure that we have the flexibility to… got a mobile sauna person that wants to set up by FMG fine after you've done some moving. That'd be cool. We could at least be able to consider that. So, trying to get the flexibility in there. First, we tried some other activators. And then, as I touched on, when you're coming in, it needs to make sense to you. This example here is… it's too small to see, but OSMP has a great little selector based on the logic you pick. I want to do something in an open space. do I need a permit or not? Based on how you answer those questions, it will pipe you to, no, you need a special use permit, or, you know what, no, based on what you told us, follow the rules, but have a rockin' time. So we want to… this is part of setting those edges, so people know if there is a requirement, what is it, and how do I do it, and if there's not, then go transparent.

[141:06] And then last of all, of course, as we're rolling out SmartRec, this is a great chance to sync this all up. We've got new procedures, new stores, and so through those, communications and interfaces, we can help make sure this is really front and center for both. And I didn't say it explicitly, but we're inspired by the OSMP permit guide, and we would have something like that of our own. So based on the queues, you can get to where you need to go, or if you know exactly where you're going, you can take the shortcut and sign up for that permit. So, one invisible for anything. Yes, now we're set. And so, yeah, as I mentioned, we had some initial engagement. We found out that, yeah, Spanish translations, no surprise, would be really helpful for user-centered navigation. So that is in our, communications and language component of the plan here. The insurance barriers, and be of them too onerous. And then, yeah, again, simple and intuitive. And so, part of the reason that we're here with you today is we're going to engage in some final engagement, as we push through fall here. And so, at the end, we're going to just ask for your tips on what you really would want to see in communication and engagement as we try to get this over the line.

[142:13] And then lastly, I just wanted to center on the racial equity instrument, and can I get a quick show of hands? Who is familiar with those at this point? Racial equity instrument? Yes. Yeah, so it's a citywide process that's been put together by a lot of amazing folks, and its real goal is to make sure that anytime we're proposing a change like this, just a combination of guidelines and procedures, but if we're making a system. Is it going to have undue impact on anyone? And if so, who? And then, let's identify proactively strategies to mitigate any undue burden. So… We've really gone down with a representative from the equity office to do the first chunk of it, and then as we get closer to a final plan, we will close the loop with that and make sure that we've assessed everything we're recommending here.

[143:00] Through that system, and so we are equally open our community with it. Yeah, that's the bones of what we're doing here. With that, I will hand it back to mine. Yeah, so the other connection that I alluded to a little bit already is how this project overlaps with another departmental project focused on partnerships that we talked about a little bit in the consent agenda. And the metaphor I like to use is that if the community access framework is setting the table that's organizing our things, our activities, that partnerships is inviting the guests and helping them find their place, and how they'd like to interact with us. And we've had some structure to guide partnerships in the past, mostly related to programming, but it's been very one-size-fits-all. And so the partnerships team has been focused on Aligning those potential benefits we talked about earlier about benefits given by the department to partners, along with commensurate benefits that can be received By the department across, a few categories. Right now, those are looking like it's programs and services is one category, stewardship, so ways that we work with maybe volunteer groups as partners to help take care of our system, and then philanthropy as another, group.

[144:15] And this team has made some conceptual tiers to capture how strongly aligned, that mutual benefit might be, and The only thing we can agree upon right now is that we're not good at making names, and so, right now they're just in there as Tier 1, Tier 2, and Tier 3, And, they really just help communicate that alignment level and what benefit might we receive. So the chart in your packet, up here, It's here because, you know, bring this up during the Community Access Framework is that, Primarily for programming and services, we anticipate one of those benefits could be, reduced fees, or really more accurately described, reduced cost recovery targets.

[145:04] Given by the department in instances where a partner is, like, directly and measurably supporting department priorities, goals, or maybe even filling a service gap with something we don't provide, that we can help subsidize and incentivize that use. So, you know, a vision, an example of a Boulder-based nonprofit serving a lot of residents in affordable teen physical activity programming that we don't offer, right? That's an activity that we'd really like to encourage, and be able to help provide some reduced rates in that sense. And so, through that process Chris described, both in terms of the annual customer permit and our partnership work, we demonstrate a little bit of how that might work, and how we would accept partnership applications for areas that help us advance those priorities to some degree. And this, you know, example and what we're talking about is very, to say, like, reactive, and meaning that organizations would need to come to the department with proposals to partner, but we also envision, proactive opportunities for partnership for department-managed spaces.

[146:12] So an example there might be whether we would want to waive permit fees for a year, the first year that a new park space opens, because we want to drive activation and get that fly deal going. Or issuing micro-grants, or helping with program supplies, or priority booking for types of uses that help advance department initiatives. We think there's a lot of good opportunities to work and his team. On, you know, park program plans moving forward. That's incorporated from day one. That is our main, oh, that one more, I'm sorry. That's our main work up until this point. We do have, some to-dos through the end of the year. One is that, in October, we will be coming back to add a few fees, into that rate schedule, mostly related to pricing for, what we're calling non-exclusive use, that's formerly that commercial use for spaces and shelters.

[147:08] But most of our other fees for these spaces that are, in this scope are set based on, service delivery or market rate, and so those have always been in the fee schedule. We're just, tweaking a few others to align them. We're gonna keep working on this, web-based navigation tool, so that these options are easy to navigate, and like Chris said, integrate with the SmartBrack RMS system so that, it's ready to process rentals, and then those self-bookings are simple, and folks can Set up organizational accounts also for those annual customer permits. And then next year in 26, we'll focus on the advertising and accepting of those applications for partnership. We have a great team member who has worked in the grant world in terms of issuing grants and things. We have quite a few opportunities on how we might structure that so applicants can help, you know,

[148:06] demonstrate how they would support, department goals, almost in the way you might apply for a grant opportunity. And then the last part will be to integrate this work into 2027 budget development. And the reason that's not 26 budget development is, one, that's about to go out the door. And then the other is that most of the user groups in this world, in this space that, use our sports fields and other rental facilities. Operate in a cycle where they really need to know the rates. before they open their registration, so that they can pass those on to their team members and participants, so that they can structure their assistance. If we were to change that mid-cycle, it puts them in a tough position that they're not able to, reconcile their rental rates against their team dues that they might have. Had at the beginning of the year.

[149:02] The understanding, Chris? I think that's good. I do want to just acknowledge as well, right, there's… it's a tight budget situation. We're always fiscally constrained. So all these things about operating incentive pricing, that would obviously be as the RAF allows, and hopefully if we're doing refurbishments, we can find money in project budgets, but I just want to acknowledge that we're not about to start throwing 50% off to a month. Yeah. And so we do have some questions, and I know this is probably, like, a hard mental shift to go from, like, a 30,000-foot Boulder Valley Comprehensive Plan level down to. individual picnic shelter permits. So, really, what we're just hoping is some discussion on, you know, if you foresee any challenges or opportunities that we can proactively address, with member, community member concerns. And, any elements you think we can incorporate in a communication plan as we roll out these changes, along with many other changes, this fall, with the RMS and other ends. It sounds like this… oh, sorry, no good. It sounds like the smart rack is quite a game changer, like, floppy this to a neck. Is… is… is that an accurate,

[150:10] assessment of that. Like, if I was a race promoter, and I wanted to do a bike race in Boulder, and use the reservoir, triathlon, whatever, like, is my, experience on this processing gonna be significantly different now? That's a bad example. It is. That review team, which is, like, a level… sorry to jump up, but, like, I was a level above this one, right? This is smaller, right, in the park, okay. Like, Brian's part, we're really… we went… we went 30,000, like, we're having another… Sorry, I'm slowly going. It's all good. I do think it will be a game changer for those organizations that frequently book spaces with us, so I don't think about the courts or the fields. Not always our premier sites that have tournaments, those are a little bit more complicated, that require a lot of staff support, but we think that the RMS will be able to

[151:04] make life a little bit easier. Also, in terms of billings and collections, we see some opportunities to shore up processes around refunds, cancellations, credits, weather, all the other, deposits back and forth. That's the other one we're trying to avoid, is… you know, being charged by a credit card company to take someone's money just to give it right back to them is not really a great practice, so there's some efficiency to be had in the system. And certainly where it is feasible to do self-serve, right? We don't need to be seeing an insurance certificate from them. We certainly want to spread that out as much. For the self-service user, I'd really describe it as an Amazon experience. You go in, you can look at the different options we have, add it to your cart, check out, it's all on your own terms. So that's kind of the simplest way to put it. for more of the commercial use, larger users, tournaments, we still need that back and forth to verify what they're doing, so that's my quick high-level explanation. No, that makes sense.

[152:05] Do you have an idea of how easy it will be to integrate F with SmartRec? We have some recent experience with doing some major computer changes in our office, and it's not a very fun process. I can take that one. I think that we're taking this as bite-sized approaches. any software integration absolutely terrifies me. We've been working on this project since January, so I feel as if we have the resources in place. With our minimum viable product, when we go live, we are really focused on what are the self-service options that currently exist today that can be replicated. So that's going to be the shelters, the community rentals, the birthday parties, that it's… you're getting a set location at a set time. I think the longer-term evolution of it will be more of how are we doing, not the tournaments, but what are the repeat bookings that we can self-manage through there, and give permissions to groups, where they then come back and flow through us. So I think that by stair-stepping it.

[153:12] We are making it incremental progress, and then we're also timing it with our business rhythm that we don't have a lot of bookings right now, at this time of year. I think in January and February, we will see a lot more, and that gives us 3 or 4 months to get our feet under us and be prepared for it. A few of our CAP team members are also deeply involved in that RMS system, so much how I described how we were organizing our spaces. they've built the hierarchy of the spaces, how they're organized in the R&S, to align with where we're going there, so that we're not Trying to cross those structures. We're doing our estimate. Great, thank you. Fingers crossed. Yep. Seems like a big undertaking, you guys are doing great jobs. Mobile access? Mobile Access? Okay. Yeah, any of the booking stuff would go through the mobile ready smart rack. Got it. Oh, okay, okay. The environment site's also responsive. Oh, okay, cool. And then, support for seniors or people who aren't really good at technology, they're still gonna be that, honey.

[154:14] It's actually part of the implementation, we are doing dedicated drop-in hours at all three rec centers and the two age well centers to be able to support people who have a little bit of concern about comfort with it. Yeah, okay. And then, sorry, final question, data tracking, assuming there might be some utility, I'm assuming you all are thinking about this, like, how to, like, then see in a year who's renting, and yeah, all that kind of stuff. Run reports and things like that. Exactly, and things like that annual customer increment will really help us tie that all together into a nice parcel, so that when we're pulling reporting from a new system, we can track how that usage is working. Another element that the system offers us is the ability to send out a post-use Feedback survey is great, so not only do we have the data, we understand satisfaction gap, too. So that's nice system enhancement. Timing here is… is great.

[155:10] So I think this rollout could be a good opportunity to just re-educate the community in general about that. How does it work? What can I book? What can I book? How long can I book it for? What's the process? How long will I… will it take for me to hear back? You know, I have a… my kid's birthday party is next week. Is that too late for me to book? a space. I think there's some people who probably are very familiar with the system, and some people who probably just It hasn't even really, like, occurred to them, but they might be very interested. That's exactly what we would love to start, so yeah. Now, this wouldn't be… this wouldn't have any tie-in to the courts, right? Like the, criminal courts, or no? Not saying, just… It might through, like, BTA's use of it, right, as a community group, they use our… they use space, the Boulder Tennis Association, or Boca Pickleball. They rent courts and facilities.

[156:08] About when an individual just wants to reserve a court? Does it go through the system? But it'll be self-service through Smart Rec. And so, in a sense, right, if this plan is supposed to say, here's the spaces that are self-serve versus who are the ones that won't, then yes, we'll… we will certainly be addressing courts and how they fit into the whole playwright, whether they're specifically self-serve or not will be dependent on the use of the situation right now. Marina, any other questions? How much? That's pretty cool. Thank you for all your hard work. Thank you. Alright, next we have… CAPRA, Commission for Accreditation of Parks and Recreation Agency. Alright, this last month, something came up about CAPRA and Yvonne, thank you.

[157:01] asked a question about, oh, someone has it pulled up, I was gonna drive, thank you. Who's driving? I got it. Oh, thank you. Recognizing the time and that you all have business, we're gonna give a speedy Just overview and reminder why CAPRA matters, and why we spent so much time and department resources on it, and so Chris and I are just going to share a little bit about that. So, CAPRA is the Commission for the Accreditation of Parks and Recreation Agencies. It is governed by the National Recreation and Park Association, and the Commission for the Accreditation of Parks and Recreation Agencies. And so, there are 154 standards. Organized into chapters, such as administration, planning, facility and land use, safety, and risk. And standards that you have to write documented compliance for. Less than 2% of agencies across the country, or I think that number right now, Kate, you just wrote the press release, is 231.

[158:00] out of about 10,000 agencies in the country. Wow. And so, yeah, we're tuning our heart. We're pretty quiet, normally, about our achievements. We are not being quiet about this. It is a very big deal. I am not being quiet about my colleagues. I'm sick of me. there's a lot we love about accreditation, so, we're going to tell you a little bit about it. But first, we just want to remind you, if you'll go to the next slide, Carissa, you'll see all of us with these stickers that we're actually about to update when we did this journey, why for our department, we said it was important, as outlined in this logo that our graphic artist created, and if you go to the next slide, we'll just say we… for us, it was really important for our people. Scott has a great story. He starts as Deputy Director, and I hand him, you know, 15 Prabh memos to understand what our fee policy is. Having an actual documented fee policy is on the CAPRA standards. Now, on our website is a very clear, transparent fee policy for folks to see, depending on the service you are receiving in Parks and Recreation, how will we determine your fee? And so we've made onboarding easier, and then the other part of it for our people, this whole process was done. We had over 50 teammates involved, and it was intended to be a professional development opportunity to give people project management skills.

[159:13] Policy-making skills, analysis skills, and really teach continuous improvement. And that's what the journey, the little path here. Accreditation happens, it's… it's not a one and done. You have to re-accredit every five years to maintain the distinction. And in reaccreditation, you can't just slap a new date on a document and say, oh, we updated it. They want to know, how have you changed, how have you improved? It's such a high bar. It's a great bar for us, because we already know, we say out loud, we are… we… One of the things we're getting better about saying out loud about ourselves, both in, as we recruit and hire, and as we talk to people, we… We have a high standard, and we're excited that this is just going to help us align with that. And then CAPRA is, you know, Scott earlier said, our mission, it's to provide high-quality parks, recreation facilities to promote the community's health and well-being. We've never defined the high quality. And CAPRA is one way. You're going to hear in 26 work planning another way that goes to some of what Mark was talking about. How do we measure it? How do we show it in doing some outcomes-based work?

[160:16] So, the next slide, really, someone asked the question, like, okay, I'm a community member, and why do I care? You may not, let's be clear. Community members still may not care, but our hope is, is that they know that this team is meeting national standards. hopefully it's one less question about what is your government doing? We know one of my My team's heard this a million times. One of my favorite stories from grad school is my professor saying, you know, if someone has a bad experience with the PMV, they don't say. They say I hate government. And our hope is, is that as people have good interactions with our work, as things… and they see this good governance, that it helps increase trust in government. It can lead to external financial support. It can… because you have frameworks in place, because you are a well-run agency.

[161:02] It does increase the accountability for us, again, because you have to update those standards and do the work every year. I put external funding twice, apparently. I thought it was really important. That is my hope. I'll be really clear. I am… I am very, very… That this leads to trust at the ballot box, that it leads to trust from donors, and from other philanthropic partners. One of the key ways we got this done, though, was that we carved out in the budget in 2024 and 25 a fixed-term position, and we posted for it, and the gentleman to my left was successful in achieving that job. And so, Chris Passcarelli has been our trail guide for 2 years on our community capital, and he's just going to talk a little bit about how we did it. Totally. It was such a delightful project, as you know. But yeah, we had 5 different matrix teams, and that's come up a few times tonight, right? So we have cross-functional groups of people from different work groups that wouldn't normally get to interact. So they're all sharing insights and working together on their respective chapters. And then we also had a smaller navigation team to make sure that we were on track, right? How are we doing with the broader picture of all these standards? And then helping coordinate with

[162:07] jumping the bullet forward. Our partners in HR, finance, risk, facilities, and IT. We took people all around the city to do this, right? Because they want to see that you have good operations working, and for us, we have a lot of internal services partners that help us do that. So, there were a lot of threads to pull together, but with over 50 capable people, they were the ones officially involved, and then never mind everyone else, so they're out there doing the work every day that we need to collect information from, share information with, and get feedback. So, it was really everybody. It was a big old, sequence throughout the year of monthly coordination meetings across those teams. And in the end, we got to 98% of the standards. We only had to do 90% for our first accreditation, but also didn't want to just check boxes. There was a few where we knew we wanted to do even better, so… These are just the ones we were extra super-duper ready and proud about. So this whole process kind of flowed through 2024, then we had our visitors come in March of 25.

[163:05] And they got to see that we were living it. So, they had already read all the papers, but then you get to actually see the programs. This is our awesome Santa Basket here at YSI, we're helping out this specific housing community, and they just didn't say enough wonderful things about it. And so, as Allie said, accreditation Well, now that was step one. Now we get to live towards VA accreditation. And so, through all this, I just look forward to just keeping these shoots growing. The opportunities for staff working cross-functionally, right? We're breaking down those silos, really living this one boulder philosophy, and then getting them… they get to know each other, and they know who to ask next time. You need to know what's… how does a snow shift work? to make sure that everybody had all this beautiful information at their fingertips, we have a CAPR library available to all of our internal folks. That's how Scott doesn't have to read all of his speed policy memos now. And also it's great for ongoing new folks coming in. We can give

[164:01] The specific documents that are all tied together through a nice scenario, so it's digestible for them. And, right in the next couple months here, the official new CAPRA standards are going to come out. And these keep setting the bar even higher. They're even more equity-focused, and they're really rigorous, and they really want to see how are we sharing our information with the community, and how are we continually improving. And so that gets to what forward. The accreditation is a lifestyle. convenient, I guess, if we could come to 2029 and just okay, here's a latest version of everything, but we need to be showing that improvement year after year, showing that we are not only reviewing, but actually updating these documents, and really making progress. So, just seeing the growth that I saw throughout our department in 24, I just couldn't be more excited for what we get to keep doing in coming weeks here. Very good. And then to wrap up, if you all want, you can be the, you can be the world viewers of a very brief 2-minute video that our, Kate Hernandez on our communications team right behind you has put together. If you want to stop sharing, of course, that's… I've got it keyed up and ready to share.

[165:09] And then… Hopefully the sound will quirk, as sometimes I don't. Great city in Boulder, Colorado. Great, great. We'll just do Valley Roads, and I have the honor to be the Director of Parks and Recreation for the City of Boulder, Colorado. Our mission is for the Parks and Recreation. That was annoying. Yeah, it's, like, delayed because of how you're clearing it. I can share it. Do you have the link? Yes. I'm muted, and my sound is like… Oh, look at that.

[166:03] Oh, they sound like her voice. There we go. I'm sorry, I gotta make a suggestion now, can you send the link around so we can… enjoy this in the comfort of our… Sure. We can do that. Yes. Actually, what we'll do is we'll share it later this week, because it was at 95%, there's some very few edits, so we will share this in the interest of time. Thanks for that, Bernie. Congratulations. We have… We've updated our sticker, to show that we've actually achieved a customer, so you all share these with the tribe. We're really proud. You should be, yeah, exactly. Really nice. So do we. Kind of cool that you embraced the challenge to continue this. you know, for the next 5 years and the next 5 years, that's gonna be the next plan. It's gonna be fun.

[167:04] I have to say the way you talk with your hands makes me so happy. It's so engaging and so wonderful. Thank you for that. Appreciate that question. Chris, we're excited, is returning to a slightly different position in business services to help us with more of our database work and work planning, stewardship, which is really exciting. He's an excellent teammate. Fair enough. I have a proposal for your agenda. You have, I believe. That was it on matters from the department. And just if I could offer, you have, I believe, 3 items on matters from the board. There is nothing pressing on the board liaison items, if you want to kick that to one of the next couple of meetings. Yes, please. Does everybody agree with that? Board liaison back leading? Okay. Let me talk about these first. Oh, the water. Yeah, so, as discussed last month, the…

[168:01] in the, I'm gonna give it a resilience, acts as if 1.3% use and sales tax that it's coming up for. Renewal in the ballot in November. As we heard earlier, is very important considering revenue for this department. And we… The read last month to, at least the concept of writing a letter, letter to the editor on supporting that voters vote in the affirmative to extend the sales tax permanently. hopefully everyone's got a chance to circulate the starting to read the drafting a little bit of circulating. Michael did a really great job putting that together. I got to come in and help out at the end. Thank you, Michael. Yeah, thank you, Marty, for volunteering me. Did anyone… did everyone have a chance to read it, and does anyone have any questions? Just, one comment. First of all, great letter, thank you, very excited, that we read about all.

[169:03] I'm gonna be putting her in a, like, sample on this. I was wondering if maybe we could make just this one sentence, like, a little bit more exciting? So, we're really trying to, like, create that pitch for why it's really important to, extend the CCRS tax. And I think we mentioned some of those projects, and it's really for that general public, like, maybe that's sort of, you know, how they can visualize this a little bit more. It's like, this sounds kind of abstract, but what I get from this are things I care about, like… Yeah, the… so this last concept… To fund future projects, moving forward with the long-anticipated Civic Area Phase 2 update, the necessary East Boulder Community Center renovation, the 12th Street Mall Refresh, Boulder Creek signage, and other projects. So I think maybe, like, Boulder Creek signage just sounds like a little… Those are the projects that are currently planned. Is there a way to rephrase… There'd be great signs, if you're saying. We, you know, rephrased some of the projects that are…

[170:13] Upcoming, to make them sound more exciting to the general public. direction on the measurement for the funds to bother me. Yeah, that's… And just opening that into other projects. Yeah, yeah, East Boulder and Post Street Ball are certainly, like, tangible exciting, maybe, like… is it possible that we could add South Boulder in there, the South Florida Water Center? Because that looks like for sure, though, but it's not a large event. Even though… although, in a way it was, right? I mean, it will help with that effort, right? I think it's disingenu. Oh, you don't think that's accurate? I think it's just the… Just the potentiality.

[171:00] Okay. People thinking that it's gonna happen… If they go to this path, yeah, I don't think… I don't know. Oh, okay, okay. Is there also a way to just, like, rephrase civic Area Phase 2 update for people to maybe just, like, on as much in the now? Yes, I think we can do that. Sounds great. What would be able to describe that album? Central Park renovation? Say that? Sorry. What would be able to describe a specific area of Phase 2? Could we say, like, central part throughout the basement? The only problem… It's more than essential. Sorry, I'm distracted. The… The… the decisions on what will actually be funded in the next phase of the Civic Area Events, project is not final. It's going to be part of a conversation in October and November.

[172:09] And so it would just be a sequencing thing, like, for if… for a council member to read that and say it's Central Park before we actually have the conversation with them about, this is the recommended next steps. in construction based on things that, I mean… So do we say something like downtown Boulder with Park Street? Yes. Improvements in our downtown, like, yeah, yeah. I mean, part of the project in the future also is to explore Arena, because who knows what Central Park or the Civic Area are. Like, I'm curious if anyone outside of local government knows what those two things are. Attorney will practice my name. Thank you, just put me inside the purse with it. My husband for it, every day. Conceptually, is everyone happy and sweet to put their name on this letter? Yes.

[173:01] I would say that the ballots come out on October 10th, so I wanted to get it and itemized by Tuesday. Well, I think if we can… should we take a moment to just formalize? Would anybody like to make a motion to submit the letter with minor edits, letter to the… is it an op-ed or a letter to the editor? However it's decided, a letter to the daily camera, either an op-ed or a letter to the editor, promoted the CCRS text. Would somebody like to make a motion? Come on, for a second. And all those in favor? Aye. Okay. Also, I thank Jackson, too, for shooting in. Sometimes information flow. We share with respect to. I'll… if everyone's okay, I'll take charge of getting this to somebody else. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for offering that up.

[174:05] All right, so that was CCRS. Next, we have Explorer FERC Tour Rescheduling. Do we want to take that for next month? I think it's short and quick. Yeah, it's just based off two different dates. Okay. And really, we need the bones. availability, so if one of those works, then that would be very fast. I'm sorry, no, I not responded. It's okay. No worries. Let me pull it up. Okay, so either October 17th… Two options requested. What, I'm Cheryl? Yeah, October 17th at 9 to 11 a.m, or October 24th from 9 to 11 a.m. I'm trying to dial it. Yeah, Friday. Yeah, Friday the last 15th. Friday. Okay, either works. Okay.

[175:01] Okay, so you're just gonna pick, and send it out? Yeah, okay. Well, I would love for you all to provide some input, because no matter what, it looks like we'll have a max of 5, and so if you can talk amongst yourself on how to support us… I would suggest, I've seen parks, so I think my schedule shouldn't be a determining factor, and then we would have more people available on the 24th. The only person who can be excluded is Rob. Sorry, Rob. Do you want to go? I do, as honestly as… What have we seen? There'll be at least boulder rugs, if it says… And I have… Two seconds… Okay, East Boulder Community Pension. Don't answer. I pulled it up so it shows your availability. I think we could actually go the 17th, if it's just 9 to 11 at that patch.

[176:08] I was just gonna pull out the list of sites, if that makes sense. Oh, I… I can go on and forth, is that? Oh, yeah. Oh, done. Sorry. Sorry. All right. So it was at 6, though? Yeah, we plan to tour North Boulder Park, because we'll be moving to Snatic. Design at that site, Tom Watson, the Civic area, and then… East Boulder or Primo Scarp TV. I don't believe only as I understand. No, no, no, you can ask, it was just that there were 5 different sets of people. There was, like, one set of five and a different set of… Oh, well, yeah. So, we're good with the 24, then? Yep. Okay, awesome. Thank you for your guidance. Thank you. Alright, so 24th. Will you send out an invite for that? Absolutely.

[177:03] I'll be on there, right? I'll make sure, yes. Crab Matters, This portion of the meeting is for members of the board to report on PREB's annual work plan goal of each member attending two or more Parks and Recreation-related community activities per month, promoting parks and Recreation through social media, attending site tours, and supporting the partnership initiatives. What items would board members live to report on at this time? It goes with you on those things, although I don't remember what I did yesterday. I did, yeah, we spent some time in South Boulder, talking about South Boulder Rec and all the beautiful things that are happening at Harvard, and seeing the lake, that was great.

[178:07] We've done a lot of community engagements. We've talked a lot about, supporting the CCRS tax, did the Play Boulder Foundation golf outing, which was a huge success. We had a lot of fun, and Didn't win, not even close. I didn't realize that you could buy unlimited mulligans, basically. So, I mean, people bought, like, 50 mulligans and came in, like, 25 under par. We thought we were good at, like, 800, but no. So, that was really fun to play. I did not get to go to the board meeting due to a forum conflict this month, but, we did reach our fundraising goals, I believe, Brian, is that right? Yeah, we reached our fundraising goals this year, which is awesome. We were pretty full, I mean, like, as full as we should have been, but we could have taken two more teams, and it was a really successful event, so that was really great.

[179:02] We had a lot of… good people, a lot of good sponsors, and, I think we're all set up for next year. So, yeah, hopefully. I continue to, volunteer at the entrance at the bottom third. So, it's an interesting, It's interesting to see how it's used at various times. Sometimes it's… that's literally crazy, and sometimes it's maybe just that there hasn't been anybody, but until I don't think private surveys in a year, but… It's an interesting place, too, to have it. It's, really, really successful. What's been a plan for this? Like, gonna go in and move that over? They can both hear somewhere else. Yeah, you guys are gonna hear about this very excited about. Okay. With that in mind, I have had many calls from people concerned with covering the ditch.

[180:04] So, just as an FYI. So that's just the idea of this stuff. Is it understood? It's not. It is outside of the landmark balloon. Oh, I'm sorry, it's not the Olmstead Brothers Original code for that park has it happened? Yeah, right. It's old. It doesn't have a designation. Which is why historic folder is very concerned about what happens with that. That's what you're making fun. But it does have an owner, as I understand it. Yeah, there's, like, a conglomerate, but there's companies that own that, and so anyway, I look forward to the conversation. And then, I feel like actually one flat has,

[181:09] Kind of impressive. Maybe Dutch. So, 77 will be really exciting each other. Any other matters from… for the board? From the board? Alright, our next board meeting is, october 27th. Everybody has that one noted. It will be here. That's right? Or is that one of, can feel safe. Next month we'll be at Brenton, and then November and December we'll be at Pennfield. Yes. Great. So for you folks, that's in those days, Broadway and Canyon, and you go upstairs. Outstanders. And… alright, any, any other matters from the board? Any other comments for the day from anybody, from staff or board?

[182:03] Thanks, everybody. That's a really packed event. I am going to be attending.