August 25, 2025 — Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] City of Boulder, she/her: All right, could be for both of office if you'd raise your right hand. City of Boulder, she/her: Aye, and repeat after me. Aye. Aye. Caroline Gecker. Caroline Gecker. Do solemnly swear… Do solemnly swear… That I will support the Constitution of the United States of America. That I will support the Constitution of the United States of America, and the State of Colorado. And of the State of Colorado, and the Charter and Ordinances of the City of Boulder. And the Charter and Ordinances of the City of Boulder, and faithfully perform the duties of the office. City of Boulder, she/her: and faithfully perform the duties of the office. Of a member of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board, which I am about to enter. Of a member of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board, which I am about to enter. City of Boulder, she/her: It's official! City of Boulder, she/her: Probably people are saying that. City of Boulder, she/her: And I'll just ask that, City of Boulder, she/her: all of us introduce ourselves, to Caroline, and then Caroline will ask you to introduce yourself to the board. I'll start. I'm Bernie, this is my third year in the Pratt.

[1:04] City of Boulder, she/her: Let's see, I live in South Boulder, … City of Boulder, she/her: I joined because I was interested in just supporting the city staff and the wonderful work I do for all of us. City of Boulder, she/her: And, let's see, I… I don't know what my favorite park is, but I spent a lot of time at Harwood Platts, which is in my neighborhood. City of Boulder, she/her: Great, thank you. I'm Jenny Robbins. I'm chair of this, Parks and Recreation Advisory Board. I also enjoy working with the staff every month in order to determine all of the great things that are going on in the Parks and Recreation Department. I have two kids who are 13 and 15. I live in Gun Barrel, and my favorite park is Coon Lake. City of Boulder, she/her: I'm Rob Kaplan. This is my first year. Just joined this spring. I grew up near North Boulder Park. My son was raised there, so that's my favorite park, I love it. Just simple. And, I am a retired firefighter. I just wanted to do the next step and keep… City of Boulder, she/her: Hi, I'm Kira. So also my first year on the board.

[2:02] City of Boulder, she/her: I have to say, I think North Boulder is probably also my favorite part. It's hard to beat that one. But yeah, I moved to Boulder around 3 years ago, and I feel like it's, like, that incredible community of people, and a lot of that was through, like, hanging out in the parks, playing pickleball, a lot of other stuff. City of Boulder, she/her: So, just wanted to give back. City of Boulder, she/her: You know me. I do. My favorite park is the Pop-Up Nature Park, which is next to the Bandshell at Central Park. City of Boulder, she/her: We introduced ourselves, Yvonne. I'm, like you, a lawyer. This is my first year on the Prab. Harla Platz, because I'm in South Boulder, it's where I hang out the most. Have two kids, 18 and 15. City of Boulder, she/her: And I joined, for all the reasons everybody stated, to, you know, work with this amazing staff and hopefully contribute to the community, so… City of Boulder, she/her: Thanks. Did you want to do staff introductions, or…?

[3:01] City of Boulder, she/her: We'll have folks introduce for the efficiency, we'll introduce items as they come up, if that works for the board. Perfect. Great. City of Boulder, she/her: All right, well… Why don't we have Caroline? Oh, sorry, I forgot. I'm Caroline, it's my first day. City of Boulder, she/her: And I've lived in Boulder since 2017 with my husband. I work as an attorney at a firm in Boulder. I'm kind of in central Boulder by the William Village area, so my favorite parks, or I guess my favorite facility, is East Boulder Rec Center. But I also love going up to Coot Lake and letting the dogs swim there. City of Boulder, she/her: And yeah, I guess I joined for the same reason you all are here, which is just to sort of give back to the community and support all the things that the department is doing. City of Boulder, she/her: Welcome, welcome, yes. Happy to be here. City of Boulder, she/her: All right, well, we officially have a quorum of 7, which is really exciting, so we're calling the meeting to order.

[4:00] City of Boulder, she/her: Would anyone like to make a motion to approve the agenda? City of Boulder, she/her: Madam Chair, before that, could we make a formal motion to call the meeting to order? Oh, sure. City of Boulder, she/her: I… I will make a motion to call a meeting to order. Second. I'll second it. City of Boulder, she/her: All those in favor? City of Boulder, she/her: Okay, listen. City of Boulder, she/her: Right. City of Boulder, she/her: All right, now would anybody like… so many motions. Would anybody like to make a motion to approve the agenda? City of Boulder, she/her: Sure, I make a motion to approve the agenda. Second. Second. Is there any discussion for this motion to approve the agenda, or any comments or questions? City of Boulder, she/her: All right, agenda is approved. City of Boulder, she/her: Now it'll turn it over to the Director for future board items. Sure. Members of the Prabh, I'm Allie Rhodes, I'm the Director of Parks and Recreation. The intent of this section of the agenda is to, point you to page 2 of your packet. City of Boulder, she/her: And this is where we give a highlight on the runway of items for Parks and Recreation Advisory Board or other items of interest for you. This is also where you might propose to the chair or vice chair items that they bring to agenda setting. So their agenda is sent in partnership with the chair and vice chair at a monthly meeting.

[5:12] City of Boulder, she/her: And so, on this future board items, you can see the items that are calendared for discussion and for your consultation. Those are the matters from the department. I also want to just highlight the other meetings or topics. It is all budget all the time across the city, and so we are moving to that place where you all gave input on a budget in June. It's since been synthesized internally with the city, and Friday, the city manager will share. City of Boulder, she/her: a recommended budget to City Council in the community. City Council's first look at that budget is at a study session on September 11th. Other boards will also be discussing that budget. We will bring that recommended budget to you in September for you to take action on. It will include a lot of the elements you've been discussing since March. City of Boulder, she/her: In October is when Council is calendared to have a first and second reading to approve that budget. It takes that formal action for funds to be, approved to spend as of January 1. So those are the big highlights. I'll also just note that coming up on September 12th is the Play Golf Tournament, which is a fundraiser for our philanthropic nonprofit park.

[6:20] City of Boulder, she/her: I'll hand it back to you, Madam Chair. Very good, thank you. City of Boulder, she/her: All right, next we have public participation. City of Boulder, she/her: Meg, do we have any participants? City of Boulder, she/her: Wonderful question. There's an in-person sign-up desk. City of Boulder, she/her: As of last Friday, we do not have any messages. We have someone email today. I don't see if they are not in attendance in the room. Lynn Siegel had wanted to provide a comment. She emailed the board to sign up, gave us all their information. It does not look like Lynn is in attendance. City of Boulder, she/her: I do see Lynn virtually. Oh, great! City of Boulder, she/her: All right, then I will say that this portion of the meeting is for members of the public to communicate ideas or concerns to the board regarding Parks and recreation issues, for which a public hearing is not scheduled for later in the meeting. Tonight, there is one virtual participant.

[7:15] City of Boulder, she/her: During this public participation time, the public is encouraged to comment on the need for parks and recreation programs and facilities as they perceive them. All speakers are limited to 3 minutes. Depending on the nature of your matter, you may or may not receive a response from the board after you deliver your comments. The board is always listening and appreciative of community feedback. City of Boulder, she/her: And Meg, will you please present the additional guidelines, and then call on our first speakers? City of Boulder, she/her: So it's pretty different. Okay. City of Boulder, she/her: We're gonna grab those additional guidelines real quick. Lynn, thank you for waiting one moment while we grab those.

[8:14] City of Boulder, she/her: I've got it up all of… City of Boulder, she/her: Public participation decorum under meeting and prep logistics. City of Boulder, she/her: I'm happy to read them. City of Boulder, she/her: Got there. Okay. And that was impressive. Good job. City of Boulder, she/her: I think that all of our bobbleheads are in this one little buff in there. City of Boulder, she/her: Thank you all for your patience. City of Boulder, she/her: That's it. City of Boulder, she/her: There we go.

[9:01] City of Boulder, she/her: Wonderful. City of Boulder, she/her: You're fine. I did not understand. Okay, it was just a screen sharing issue. Okay. City of Boulder, she/her: All right. The City has engaged with community members to co-create a vision for productive, meaningful, and inclusive civic conversations. City of Boulder, she/her: This vision supports physical and emotional safety for community members, staff, and council, and board members, as well as democracy for people of all ages, identities, lived experiences, and political perspectives. For more information about this vision and the community engagement process, please visit boulderColorado.gov slash services slash productive dash atmospheres and the Boulder Revised Code, Section 16B. City of Boulder, she/her: The City will enforce the rules of decorum found in the Boulder Revised Code, Section 16B, including participants are required to sign up to speak using the name they are commonly known by, and individuals must display their whole name before being allowed to speak online. Currently, only audio testimony is permitted online.

[10:03] City of Boulder, she/her: No attendee shall disrupt, disturb, or otherwise impede the orderly conduct of any council or board meeting in a manner that obstructs the business of the meeting. This also includes failing to obey any lawful order of the presiding officer to leave the meeting room or refrain from addressing the council. City of Boulder, she/her: In this case, we are not doing in person, but if we were, only one person at a time at the podium, unless an accommodation is required, all remarks and testimony shall be limited to matters related to city business. No standing in or otherwise blocking the aisles in violation of fire code, or in a way that obstructs the vision or audio of other audience members. No signs or flags shall be permitted in council chambers, except for one sign held by a person measuring no more than 11 by 17, City of Boulder, she/her: Which is fundamental higher than the person's face. City of Boulder, she/her: No participant shall make threats or use other forms of intimidation against any person. We ask that you not affix items to… City of Boulder, she/her: podium, or dais, or walls, or other surfaces of the chamber. Signs, flags, or other items used to communicate must be held by one person when displayed. Obscenity, other epithets based on race, gender, or religion, and other speech and behavior that disrupts or otherwise impedes the meeting will not be tolerated.

[11:06] City of Boulder, she/her: In-person participants are asked to refrain from expressing support or disagreement verbally or with sounds such as applause or snapping, with the exception of declarations. City of Boulder, she/her: Traditionally, support is shown through American Sign Language applause, or jaspines. City of Boulder, she/her: Alright. City of Boulder, she/her: And I will stop sharing. City of Boulder, she/her: And our first commenter, Lynn Siegel. City of Boulder, she/her: We will be given 3 minutes. City of Boulder, she/her: And you have time? Fabulous. City of Boulder, she/her: Right, Lynn, you, should be allowed to stop. how many times I've listened to that, you know, the regulations, and I wish that you could do that, and you could just have your patron, like, click on a thing that says you agree, you know? Because it wastes so much time, cumulatively, it's a huge amount of time.

[12:05] Also, this board is the only board of the seven boards that I follow, and 2 of them I can't follow because they conflict with the other two, but none of these boards require you to send an email to sign up to speak. You just show up. And it gets confusing, because I go to City Council, and I have to sign up for that. And then I have to see if I got on the lottery list. And, you know, with… with yours, why is that? I don't understand. So, would you reconsider that you're different than all the other boards? I don't get it. The other thing is, and this is city business, we need to get out of Gaza, because we need to pay with that military money that we're funding death and destruction.

[13:00] unconscionable. We need that money for parks and Rec. We need that money for the South Boulder Rec Center. We need that money for all the unfunded liabilities. that we have in the park system, and for all the services that we are going to be demanded, coming up with Sundance, with CU South, with this huge building craze, and this huge overpopulation of folks that make Population, people congestion, actually an issue. I don't like to go to the farmer's market when it's so jam-packed that I can't breathe. No? So. Make your advice! towards the City Council and the other boards, planning board, namely. to stop funding these developers for more development, because it demands more of your services. Now, what I wanted to talk about tonight is one great service that I think you put in, but it's temporary, and that's the sandbox and the ferry thing by the farmer's market.

[14:07] That is great use of adaptive reuse of wood, and that should never have… even been conceived of as being a temporary thing. And, you know, I'm also concerned about the civic space development being oriented towards Sundance, rather than the community and the residents and what they want, not some, you know, tourist attraction. In our civic space. So, please think about those things, and And resolve some of it, because that… it… you know, that's a really nice sandbox. City of Boulder, she/her: Thank you, Lynn. City of Boulder, she/her: Last time Lynn spoke, she mentioned the same thing about, this being the only board to sign up for. Did we look into that? There's a work… working group of board and commissions that is working on process improvements and consistencies. We can follow up with you at the next board meeting. Okay, yes, thank you.

[15:07] City of Boulder, she/her: And then since you asked, I believe we have another member of the community who is here and interested in speaking. So to be clear, even though that's what the website says, there's not been a time that we have not allowed someone to sign up who shows up that didn't sign up in advance. City of Boulder, she/her: That I can think of. City of Boulder, she/her: Great. City of Boulder, she/her: All right, so we have a second member of the… okay? City of Boulder, she/her: The second speaker is Lee Stein, and I believe we have the timer ready. City of Boulder, she/her: Fabulous. Alright, Lynn, you should be able to unmute your mic. Oh, great, thank you. Hi everyone. Thank you very much for, letting me speak. I was also a little bit confused. I did email in, and I didn't receive a confirmation, and it looked like I wasn't on your agenda. I emailed in at about 10 this morning. So, I appreciate the chance to talk to you. I was there last month. I very much appreciate all of the work that all of you on PRAB do, and as you know, I'm a huge pool advocate. Last…

[16:09] month with very little notice. About 10 of us came. This time, I'm the only one who's able to come and not able to be there in person. We're all Very sad that Spruce has closed. I did solicit from my email group, which at this point is almost 100 people, comments. Most of them were just… were so sad that Spruce is closed. A number of people are still saying that they still really are not comfortable swimming at Scott. I'd like to thank you for… there's now, for those of you who don't know, a water walking lane. It's actually two lanes without the lane in the middle, which are reserved for water walking. That's great. That has helped a lot. It lets people water walk and socialize together and not worry about you know, being run over by swimmers or having to do circles. That's great. What's not working so well, though, is that when it's crowded, if you are a

[17:06] middle-speed swimmer or a slow swimmer, it's hard to swim. I consider myself to be a pretty decent swimmer. I'm not as fast as I used to be, but I am not nearly fast enough. to swim in the fast lanes. The middle lane has a really broad range of speeds. I'm passing some people, which they don't like. I'm being passed by some people, which, you know, I don't mind. But you're always having to look out and see, am I about to have a head-on collision? Is somebody gonna kick me? And I just wanted to share with you some of the comments that I have gotten, which I'll do in one minute, or one second, and request that you, again, consider running the pool short course all the time for the remainder of the season, especially because I've heard that the swim teams will be leaving and going back to their other places. I know Elevations is going back to Elks, I'm not sure where BAM's going, probably back inside.

[18:04] and run it short course, so that there are more lanes, so that people can have either their own lane or split a lane. My sister, who you heard from last time, is the one with two hip replacements, and I asked her if she'd swim with me, and she said, not if it's long course, and I'm worried about getting kicked. And, I also, had a letter from someone, and when I asked her about… or I asked everybody on my list, you know, what would they like me To say to you, She wrote to me, sorry, I'm just on my phone and switching, back and forth. She said, once the spruce pool closed, I knew my outdoor swimming season had ended. When I tried to swim at Scott, it was very unfriendly and overwhelming. No matter where I went, I was told I couldn't swim there. I left in tears and won't go back there. City of Boulder, she/her: Thank you, Lynn, I appreciate your comments today. Do we have any other speakers?

[19:05] City of Boulder, she/her: Does anybody from the staff want to make any comments about any of the speakers? Megan, would you briefly, just for the board, explain the 8 days of long course through this weekend, and what that looks like? Yeah, so we will be transitioning Scott Carpenter to short course only as of this Friday. City of Boulder, she/her: So normally we would continue to do long course Monday through Thursday and short course, Saturday, Sunday through the entire shoulder season, but given the closure of the South Boulder Pool and the early closure of the, Spruce Pool, we've made the decision to transition to just short course for the remainder of the season. We had prior commitments City of Boulder, she/her: to teams through this Thursday with rentals of the space, so it was pre-booked, and so we would have had to take away commitments from other people to accommodate switching that earlier. And so in place of that.

[20:04] City of Boulder, she/her: We did try to open up two lanes for water walking to help, and I know it's not an ideal situation, and it will be switching to short course as of this Friday. City of Boulder, she/her: Okay. City of Boulder, she/her: I have a question. Lynn told us that she loves the sandbox in Central Park. All of those features are there… this is a question, but, do I understand correctly that all the features that are there are there to test their practicality and viability for potential renovation of Central Park? City of Boulder, she/her: There's three purposes there, and I'm going to let our planning manager, Mark Davison, take it. Did you want me to start? Is that what the… there's three reasons. One is, yes, it is testing amenities to see what For Nature Play, was most popular while we designed the long-term improvements at the park. Two, it was skill building, so our team… City of Boulder, she/her: Looking to my right here, designed and built those play features using logs from our forestry yard. And then third, it is a positive activation. We're always looking for great ways to drive positive activity in the civic area, so there were… there are three goals there.

[21:08] City of Boulder, she/her: Great, thank you. Mark, would you add anything? No, that's perfect, thank you. City of Boulder, she/her: So, if everyone loved it as much as Lynn loved it, he may well see a sandbox City of Boulder, she/her: the concept plans. City of Boulder, she/her: If everyone loved that sandbox as much as Lynn did, we may see a sandbox in the final class of the park, right? Yeah, it's great, isn't it? You feel like swings, slides, and sandboxes, but usually not rocket science. Any other comments from the board, for any of our speakers? City of Boulder, she/her: Okay, thank you then to the speakers for all of your comments. Since there are no other committee members who would like to speak tonight, I will now close public comments. City of Boulder, she/her: All right, moving on to the consent agenda. City of Boulder, she/her: Another motion. Would anyone like to make a motion to approve the minutes from the…

[22:00] City of Boulder, she/her: What is this? From the July meeting. City of Boulder, she/her: Motion on July? I mean, thank you, Yvonne. A second? City of Boulder, she/her: Thank you. City of Boulder, she/her: All right, are there any questions or discussion? City of Boulder, she/her: On the minutes, or on the consent agenda? City of Boulder, she/her: I had one. City of Boulder, she/her: … Can you talk about the adjustment to base that's listed? City of Boulder, she/her: In the, … operations update? City of Boulder, she/her: I'm going to look to our Senior Manager for Business Services, Jackson Height. I'm also just going to give a quick point of onboarding. The consent agenda is informational items that we think are non-controversial, but updates the board might find helpful. And so, the intent here with this section is that board members would have read this piece, and you could ask questions, clarifying questions for staff. City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah.

[23:02] City of Boulder, she/her: So my question about the adjustment to base is just… City of Boulder, she/her: Can you just explain a little bit more about what it is? Yep. City of Boulder, she/her: Jackson Hyatt, Senior Manager for the Business Services Team. The adjustment to Base process is basically outside of the typical budget process. City of Boulder, she/her: With the budget process, the budget is approved once a year, and that's done in October. The budget takes effect from January through December. Adjustment to base is really an opportunity to look at any additional revenues that have been received, so typically grants or donations, any increased expenses, and to account for those. City of Boulder, she/her: And then City Council goes through a process to appropriate, those adjustments to the budget, whether it's an increase or decrease in revenues or expenses. City of Boulder, she/her: As I mentioned earlier, it's generally tied back to grants, so one-time funding that we would have received outside the cost, and this is something that we might receive in November, that's valid for the next year, so that is the opportunity to do the adjustment.

[24:00] City of Boulder, she/her: I had a question about it, too. City of Boulder, she/her: I just, for my own, edification, can you tell me a little bit about the Health Equity Fund? Like, how many years it's for, and do we have to reapply, and is it… City of Boulder, she/her: you know, are we guaranteed it, whether it exists or not? The Health Equity Fund, came about from the Sugar Sweet Beverage Tax… beverage distribution tax. City of Boulder, she/her: That was approved by voters back in 2015. We had applied for that annually, 2019 through 2024. Starting with the 2025 cycle, we were guaranteed that funding for 3 years. City of Boulder, she/her: We do still need to, submit our measures and outcomes and metrics that are associated with the grant, but we no longer need to go through the competitive application process, so that funding is valid for 25, 26, and 27. City of Boulder, she/her: And how much in dollars is it? City of Boulder, she/her: Stacy or Brian, can I phone a friend? Yeah, so for the health, portion that goes to our equity, which helps, offset the records…

[25:01] City of Boulder, she/her: passes, it's $150,000 per year, and then also there's a component that helps with our YSI funding, and that is $60,000 per year. Thank you. Just so you know, this is the plugin. Oh. City of Boulder, she/her: I'll look at that, too. We're looking at it going, this must be a fake thing. City of Boulder, she/her: Takes a village around here, y'all. Who funds the grant for the Health Equity Fund? City of Boulder, she/her: Where do you apply for the grant? It's from the city, it's the Sugar Sweet Beverage District of X. So it's the surcharge tax that you pay on any service. City of Boulder, she/her: That's the revenue source, and it's administered by the Housing and Human Services Department. Okay, perfect. City of Boulder, she/her: And then, my last question is I noticed that last month on the… City of Boulder, she/her: overview of major projects, that the East Boulder Community Parks Court enhancement was on hold, and this year… this one has a month.

[26:07] City of Boulder, she/her: So I was wondering, is it moving forward? City of Boulder, she/her: Please. Yeah, it was just while we were going through all the rollercoaster of hiring freeze, rehiring, budget additions, so we're confident that it's back on track, and we'll be bringing that back to the board for an update pretty soon. You can see the progress on the project. Good, good news, thank you. City of Boulder, she/her: Okay, any other questions on the consent agenda? City of Boulder, she/her: Alright, then… … City of Boulder, she/her: So we have a motion, we have a second. All those in favor of approving the agenda? City of Boulder, she/her: Great. City of Boulder, she/her: Hearing no opposition, motion passes, and the minutes are approved. As amended, I will now turn it over to Allie to discuss the Parks and Recreation updates in the inside agenda. City of Boulder, she/her: Nope, those, all those items were there for your review. I just heard a bunch of questions, and so I think we've moved past that. We might need to update your script, Jenny, I'm sorry about that.

[27:09] City of Boulder, she/her: I was actually… I went back and forth between these two pages, like, 10 times, trying to figure out… I think there's a mistake in there. I apologize. Yeah, I think I'm just gonna move that over. I think I got it. City of Boulder, she/her: Okay, we have no action items. Sorry, a question. City of Boulder, she/her: So, are we past the recreation center and pool updates? Is that what we're saying? Oh, sorry, can I ask a question, then on that? City of Boulder, she/her: On the South Boulder Rec Center, I saw that pool repairs are going to continue through October. For some reason, I thought it was October 1st when we were trying to open. Did that get extended or changed? City of Boulder, she/her: So, as the project itself has slightly adjusted, and construction can be this way, obviously, we don't have a definitive date, but we assume it's going to be sometime in October. Of course, it would be the greatest if I knew for sure it was October 1st, but we've just stopped promising that, because I don't want to promise something and then have to update you later, so that's why we've changed it to general. We're just being more general.

[28:11] City of Boulder, she/her: I'm hoping for an update, City of Boulder, she/her: In September. Thank you. I think I introduced you just as Megan earlier. Please introduce yourself. I'm Megan Lohman, I'm the Recreation Manager, so I oversee, the rec centers, aquatics and health and wellness. City of Boulder, she/her: The building is on track to reopen next Tuesday. City of Boulder, she/her: Yes, the building itself, yeah, just not the pool area. City of Boulder, she/her: All right. City of Boulder, she/her: Any other questions? No? Okay, that's still approved. City of Boulder, she/her: Okay, now we have matters for discussion. City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, so the team is coming back to you to talk about the membership structure, and I want to… I'm gonna start just and recognize that an incredible amount of work has gone into what is best for the community and to maintain services.

[29:01] City of Boulder, she/her: No one likes increasing fees, and if we asked the community for their input, they'd say, we don't want to increase fees, and so this is one of those matters where the team is following policy direction from the 2022 BPR plan that says that we're going to do our best to maintain service levels. City of Boulder, she/her: we're gonna protect subsidies for people with low income and people with disabilities, and we're gonna charge the full cost of services for adults, and they've been really thoughtful about this work. I'm eager for you to hear this next phase based on… you all gave some great input in July, and so with that, who is kicking this off? City of Boulder, she/her: Our Deputy Director, Scott Shuttenberg. City of Boulder, she/her: Thanks, everyone. Yeah, Scott Shuttenberg, Deputy Director, and my favorite park, I'm gonna say the Boulder Reservoir, and I know Stacy Cole is on the call as well, and that's the area that she oversees, so I figured I would share that, so… City of Boulder, she/her: Tonight, we're gonna dive into, a little bit more of the information that we shared last month. Last month, we came to you with, with a proposal to… or a request to look into our membership structure, and we had some different options and thought.

[30:10] City of Boulder, she/her: It would be important to share with you all a little bit about why we wanted to change. Well, tonight, this is the second touch. So, Caroline, we'll get you up to speed, I promise, but it might be a little bit foreign, at first. City of Boulder, she/her: But this second touch is really kind of our next steps in refining what membership options will be available to the community to utilize our facilities. City of Boulder, she/her: So, we're requesting your input and your feedback, and then we'll be coming to you, and I'll talk a little bit more about the timeline later, but our fees and the budget for approval will come to you in October, so we've got a little bit of time there, but as Ali said, we've been working really hard, and Megan and her team have done a ton of work. City of Boulder, she/her: on really making a solid recommendation for how we look at memberships, how we sell memberships to the community, and … and so that's what we're going to focus on. And I also wanted to say thank you to our incredible teammates in business services.

[31:06] City of Boulder, she/her: Stacey Hoffman has been a huge part of this work, as well as Jackson, and so, they're here also to answer questions. City of Boulder, she/her: And Brian Berry is in the back of the room, and he's one of our senior managers as well, and he's… he's been involved as well. So, tonight, we're going to talk a little bit about the intent, the timeline, and the court and facility access structure. City of Boulder, she/her: Stacy, let's move right into the next slide. City of Boulder, she/her: So I think the first question we wanted to… to have answered tonight is, how did we get here? We really wanted to… City of Boulder, she/her: Take a look at our membership structure, and historically. City of Boulder, she/her: Parks and Rec has had a structure that, is very all-inclusive, and you purchase a membership, and it includes all of our facilities. We know that costs have increased phenomenally over the last 5 years or so, and so we were not meeting our cost recovery targets.

[32:00] City of Boulder, she/her: because expenses just continued to increase. So we had a challenge, and you've all certainly heard about the fiscally constrained environment that we're in, and so… City of Boulder, she/her: What we're trying to do with this work is to create a way to generate more revenue, still meet the needs of the public, and have it be a win-win for community members, as well as Parks and Rec. City of Boulder, she/her: So we've really taken a data-driven approach. We've looked at the numbers, we've looked at a lot of statistics, and really look at who the demographics of our users are and how we're able to best serve them. City of Boulder, she/her: So, with that, we want to be fair, we want to be equitable, and we also know that we need to create a sustainable model that allows people to utilize our facilities, but allows us to keep our doors open. City of Boulder, she/her: We doing okay, Jackson? Yep. City of Boulder, she/her: All right, so timeline. We've shared this the last couple of months, and I will say that it is really important that we go through this process.

[33:07] City of Boulder, she/her: in conjunction, in collaboration, in alignment with our budget process. And so, Megan started doing a lot of this work, looking at our facilities, looking at the membership structure actually a year ago in the fall, and then back in March, really dove into things and started to… City of Boulder, she/her: formulate some recommendations, and analyze the data. We are now here, obviously, in August, and this is your second touch. September, you're going to have a budget meeting as part of PRAB and go over City of Boulder, she/her: quite a bit of, our budget. This is one component, and the revenue generated from these facilities goes into the Recreation Activity Fund. City of Boulder, she/her: And then in October, we're actually going to look at all of our fees. So that's when you'll hear about golf course fees. You'll hear about the specific numbers that we come up with associated with each one of these membership types. So tonight. City of Boulder, she/her: It's about the structure. It's not necessarily about the dollars and cents, but our staff have worked really hard to do some predictive modeling and to help us try and determine a way to generate about $700,000 more

[34:12] City of Boulder, she/her: in our, Recreation Activity Fund here in 2026. City of Boulder, she/her: Alright, next slide. City of Boulder, she/her: So, as far as facility access structure, City of Boulder, she/her: We know we want to support affordability. We want people to be able to utilize our spaces as much as possible. We definitely want to look at our pricing and market comparisons. City of Boulder, she/her: it would be very easy for us to just say, yeah, we need more money, we're just going to keep raising the cost of our memberships for people to get in. But we also know there's a tipping point there. We need to remain affordable, we want to make sure that people, City of Boulder, she/her: can access our spaces and choose not to go to other communities or travel outside of Boulder to meet their recreation needs. So, we've really focused on that. We also wanted to make sure that we had a model that's very flexible. And so, what you'll see tonight, what we're going to go over, and Megan will cover a bunch of this, is a model that's very flexible.

[35:10] City of Boulder, she/her: you pay for what you want to use. And so, instead of us saying, here's the fee, and you get access to everything, we've really looked at it in a way where we can keep those costs down, and just people can pay specifically for what they're wanting to do. City of Boulder, she/her: I also wanted to highlight the fact that we did run this structure. We spent, some time here in the last two weeks focused on our, City of Boulder, she/her: racial equity instrument, and running through these changes from a racial equity lens, asking ourselves the difficult questions about how will this impact every demographic, every person within the Boulder community? We know there are substantial changes that are going to continue to occur. You'll hear tonight a little bit about the sliding scale that we'll dive into in 2026. City of Boulder, she/her: and that work, but we're also going to cover financial aid and how we'll make some changes to financial aid as well. But we did run it through the racial equity instrument tool, and I think we asked ourselves some really difficult questions and really factored those things into this.

[36:12] City of Boulder, she/her: So the desired outcomes that we're focused on is maintaining the service levels and access for the priority populations, promoting the fairness and pricing while supporting the cost recovery targets, and then transition and changes will be multi-year. So that's where the sliding scale comes in in 26 and some other things. City of Boulder, she/her: So, looking at a few of the numbers, and I think this is really the data that Megan and Stacy have spent a lot of time focused on. City of Boulder, she/her: We have 3 different types of facilities. We have the main rec centers, we have our Boulder Reservoir, and then we have our courts, our outdoor pools, and those spaces. City of Boulder, she/her: What we found in diving into the data is only 6% of our membership is utilizing, or utilized one time in the last year, all 3 different types of facilities.

[37:06] City of Boulder, she/her: So typically, what you'll see is a person is a regular user of the East Boulder Community Center. During the week of East Boulder shutdown, they'll go over to South, or they'll go over to North. City of Boulder, she/her: That's pretty common, and so as we really looked at that, we're going to continue to make that an option, and that's what we're proposing. 28% use two different types, so they may use an outdoor pool, as well as our… one of the indoor rec centers. City of Boulder, she/her: And then 66% use one type of facility, and it's primarily the rec centers, and that's that first scenario I talked about, where I'd use north and south, or north and east, or whatnot. City of Boulder, she/her: 49% of daily entries occur at the Boulder Reservoir, and so what you'll see on the right side there is our entrance fees. So the orange is our drop-in revenue that we make, and our blue is our membership revenue that we pull in. City of Boulder, she/her: What I will say is, and you did see some of this information last month as well, the Boulder Reservoir is unique in that people look at that as a destination location, and so it's more popular for the individual, I'm gonna pay to use it for one day.

[38:13] City of Boulder, she/her: Versus purchase a membership to go there on a regular basis. Every other facility, the majority of our revenue is coming in from a membership-type sale. City of Boulder, she/her: So our cost recovery target, and really what we're hoping to pull in per, entry, is $9.46. City of Boulder, she/her: We're not there yet. We know we're not there yet, but that's what we would aspire to get towards, to really hit our goals for revenue from memberships and daily admissions. City of Boulder, she/her: Right now, we're at $6.79 because of the discounting, because of our third-party sales, and that equates to about $4 million in revenue. So what you'll see tonight is, is closing that gap. It's not bringing us to the $9.46.

[39:02] City of Boulder, she/her: But it is getting us up to nearly $8 per visit on average, and it pulls in that extra $700,000 in revenue that we're hoping to achieve in 2026. And that is in the budget, and what we… you'll see next month. City of Boulder, she/her: is that additional $700,000 in the Recreation Activity Fund. So there are a few assumptions there, too. And so, obviously, in order to predict revenue numbers, we have to make assumptions, and so we looked at, City of Boulder, she/her: past sales from 2024, because we had a full year of pass sale information. We're actually in a really good place and doing better in 25 than we were in 24, which is phenomenal, but we wanted to use 2024 numbers. We're assuming about 595,000 visits to our facilities. City of Boulder, she/her: And 15% discount to multiple facilities, is what we're figuring in, as well as the subsidy and discount, applied to seasonal facilities. So.

[40:01] City of Boulder, she/her: What you'll see in the proposal tonight that Megan will cover is, if you buy that rec center membership for just the three rec centers, you're also eligible for that 15% discount for the outdoor pools or for the reservoir. City of Boulder, she/her: Alright, next slide. City of Boulder, she/her: So, we'll start off with a little bit of information on the courts. So, I will be very transparent up front here. One thing you may hear a few complaints about is access to our courts, and City of Boulder, she/her: We have a lot of people that are very passionate about tennis and pickleball in this community. They've come and talked to this before, this board in the past. City of Boulder, she/her: And this is something that we are working directly with BoCo Pickleball and the Boulder Tennis Association to make sure that they're aware of these proposed potential changes. Fee changes would not be implemented until October, so there's a little bit of time there, and we're starting those communications with both those groups. City of Boulder, she/her: But there's a reason that we're really looking at changing the way we handle court reservations. First and foremost, we look at the popularity of our tennis and pickleball sports in the community. We did the court system study last year and finalized that. We took the operational recommendations from that court study.

[41:18] City of Boulder, she/her: And we also are now implementing our new recreation management software, and all of these things combined have really led us to say, you know what, we really shouldn't be giving court reservations for free with our rec center memberships. So historically, so you're aware, if you bought a membership to the rec center. City of Boulder, she/her: You also had the ability at our North Boulder Rec Center, East Boulder Community Center, or South to reserve court space for free. That was included in your membership. City of Boulder, she/her: The downside to that was we were not able to track who is coming, we're not able to recoup any additional revenue from that, and we didn't have consistency across all of our courts throughout the entire community. And so, what we're looking at doing is charging for court reservations separately.

[42:07] City of Boulder, she/her: And I wanted to dive into this a little bit, and I would expect there may be a few questions. So, the hope would be is… City of Boulder, she/her: People can reserve a court, and that would be a fee to reserve that court, and we'll get into the cost of what those fees would be later on, but regardless of whether or not you have a membership to the rec center, we want you to be able to reserve a court so that you can confirm you have that space to go out and play. City of Boulder, she/her: If the courts are not City of Boulder, she/her: utilize, they're not reserved by anyone. You can show up and use any of our courts. There's no, … you don't have to pay for the courts, but we want to give people the opportunity to reserve that space specifically for them. So there's a very high level of individual benefit to reserve a court. You show up during the time you reserve. City of Boulder, she/her: You let other people there know, I've got this reserved, and it works out really well, to be able to then utilize that space.

[43:05] City of Boulder, she/her: What we're proposing is looking at it across the entire system. So, we'll have a lot of courts. Mark is working with his team to work on Tom Watson, we've got other court projects in the works and starting up pretty soon, and we're going to look at things across the entire system. City of Boulder, she/her: One, it gives us an opportunity to generate a little bit of revenue by doing those reservations, but it also allows those that choose not to pay to reserve a space, they can go to one of their neighborhood courts, jump on, and utilize that at no charge. City of Boulder, she/her: A couple of reasons why we want to do this and why we want to make the change. Many of our participants, that have been reserving courts in the past are doing it through a third-party membership. So, Silver Sneakers, Renew Active, we talked a little bit about third-party memberships last month. City of Boulder, she/her: Unfortunately, we don't have card swipe, we don't have staff at the courts. So, when they reserve through SilverSneakers and book their court space.

[44:06] City of Boulder, she/her: Boulder Parks and Recreation were not able to get reimbursed from the insurance companies for those… for that usage. So there's no way for us to get any kind of reimbursement. We can in the rec centers, because we can prove that, they showed up and we swiped them in and whatnot. At the courts, we can't do that. So we're looking at doing it where, there would not… City of Boulder, she/her: be an opportunity to use your SilverSneaker membership to reserve port space. City of Boulder, she/her: We do anticipate that being challenging for a lot of community members. We've already heard from Boco Pickleball a little bit about this, and Boulder Tennis, that I think that's where they're going to be most disappointed, is not being able to use their insurance to pay for a court rental. City of Boulder, she/her: the only solution that we could see to be able to do that would be lock off the courts, put in some type of a card swipe, or put a staff member out of those courts, and that's just not feasible or realistic. So that's why we're looking at going a different direction for renting courts.

[45:03] City of Boulder, she/her: So this is one change you'll probably hear more about. I guess I would ask if anyone has any questions about that information before we move on to the next slide. City of Boulder, she/her: Yes, Ivar. Yeah, thank you. I… I can appreciate what you're trying to do, and be innovative and creative. I think just my gut here, I'm really glad you reached out to Boco Pickleball, because I had made a note of that. My gut is that City of Boulder, she/her: And, whoa. City of Boulder, she/her: I think my concern is, number one, just from an optics standpoint, and I'm sure you've already heard this, is when you go to a facility. City of Boulder, she/her: like South… I'm just thinking of South Boulder, because that's what I'm most familiar with, but the courts are right there, adjacent to the facility, and so you would assume, as a member, that you get the benefit of that, you know, utilizing those courts, because they're adjacent to the facility. It feels like it's part of that value proposition. City of Boulder, she/her: So I just think there's some… some optics here. City of Boulder, she/her: However, what I… what I'm a little bit concerned about is, is there a way where, we could somehow… if I'm a… if I buy the South Boulder or the Rec Center Pass.

[46:12] City of Boulder, she/her: And, because I'm paying money to do that, that maybe I… on the website, when I'm reserving a pickleball court. City of Boulder, she/her: that I could, get a better price or better cost, let's say $5 instead of a non-member cost of $10, and there might be a toggle button there where I could somehow City of Boulder, she/her: you know, I get some perceived benefit for being a member, because I am paying for facility access. So I think, you know, I'm just throwing that out there as a possibility. But I feel like City of Boulder, she/her: kind of want to rewind a little bit, or unpack why… is it… is it a cost issue that we can't have a swiping technology for the courts? Because to me, that's… City of Boulder, she/her: That's the bigger issue here, is if we had the technology at the courts, there are… like, here's an example. I was there…

[47:06] City of Boulder, she/her: a couple of Sundays ago. City of Boulder, she/her: packed in the morning, jam-packed, and people were just waiting in line to get a court. And I have no idea how many of those people there were paying members. City of Boulder, she/her: And so maybe many of them who were there were just not even giving you any money, giving parks any money, and so it just feels a little bit inequitable that City of Boulder, she/her: if we go to this new model, that somehow, as a paying member, I'm having to pay on top of what I'm already paying just for facility access. City of Boulder, she/her: And the public that's using it and not paying, they're getting the same fee. So, I just feel like there's a lot here, and I wish that we could rewind and figure out City of Boulder, she/her: Because the most efficient way to deal with this would be some sort of swiping technology. I pay for my facility, I can swipe, and somehow I can get in, whereas if you're not paying at all, then you're not paying for the upkeep, and so it just doesn't seem fair that you should

[48:08] City of Boulder, she/her: that same access, right? Like, you should be paying more. Anyway, that's a lot to digest, but that was my observation when I was reading through the packet. I, like, just really quick, I think we can look into if in the future discounting on someone with a membership is possible or not. City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, there's a lot… definitely, like you said, there's a lot to unpack there, right? And I do feel like I agree with you in that with the court being directly adjacent to the rec centers, there is a perception that that's part of the rec center. Unfortunately, when City of Boulder, she/her: People come out to utilize those courts. City of Boulder, she/her: 95% of the time, and that's an arbitrary number, but most of the time, they are not going into the rec center, they are not swiping their card. City of Boulder, she/her: In an ideal world, if I had a SilverSneaker membership, if they came into the rec center, swiped, and said, I'm gonna go out and play pickleball or tennis, and we were able to recoup some of those costs.

[49:04] City of Boulder, she/her: That would be great. That was our intention. We had put out signs and asked folks to check in at the rec centers. It just hasn't been happening, and… and so there is no revenue associated with… with the use of the courts. City of Boulder, she/her: For the most part. Well, and honestly, there are only 27 members who are booking the courts, specifically just at the rec centers, the majority of the time. City of Boulder, she/her: And so, as opposed to the reservations being a way that provides a lot of access to a lot of different people, the way that walk-up use is at all of our other locations, the fact that our rec center courts are the only courts that take the reservations with memberships. City of Boulder, she/her: means that they oftentimes get monopolized by just a few people, as opposed to shared across many, because walk-up access will remain free. So the way it was explained to me that day I went, and I'm not a regular pickleball user, so I'm really new to this environment, but

[50:03] City of Boulder, she/her: somehow, when I walked onto the court. City of Boulder, she/her: there was a gentleman there who's organizing these large groups of people, you know, God bless him, volunteer guy. I don't know who's… what is his name, sorry, but, anyway, he… he apparently organizes and gets City of Boulder, she/her: names to then go over online before the weekend, I think, and City of Boulder, she/her: Basically blocks out the court so that anyone can just show up, and we can put our paddles in line, and… City of Boulder, she/her: do our thing, but he's coordinating all that with some, you know, I guess, frequently used… people who use the course. So, I think there's a couple of things going on. There… there's certain… the people who are using the reservation system the 7 days in advance are typically doing it for small groups, like 4 people, booking a court, or like a few… maybe a group of 12 who just like playing with each other, and they're not City of Boulder, she/her: letting everyone in. Okay. We also pre-book the courts as the facility for drop-in use. That's open, and we require that time to be open to everyone, so anyone who comes and plays during that time when we book it, you have to allow walk-on play. And we do have some court volunteers for that, so that might be what you're talking about. In addition to that, we do quarterly bookings of courts.

[51:23] City of Boulder, she/her: ahead of time, and so groups like BOCO rent the courts a quarter ahead of time, paying the reservation fee, and they also sponsor their own kind of BoCo-specific drop-in. So it could… there's certainly a number of things it could be. City of Boulder, she/her: generally, the people using the 7-day reservation system are doing it for a select group because they don't want to just play with anyone. Right. The people who do the quarterly booking, or our own bookings for open gym or open play time, those are very much more accessible to the public. City of Boulder, she/her: And those would continue? Yeah, that will continue. We will continue to book those courts at no fee for drop-in play.

[52:04] City of Boulder, she/her: I suppose I'll clarify one thing, Scott. City of Boulder, she/her: Did I understand correctly that you could reserve any cord in the system, but only one side of the price centers will have a fee associated? City of Boulder, she/her: No, all courts within the system would have that same fee. We would be consistent across the system. Okay, thanks. I want to add a further clarifier. Currently, non-rec center courts to reserve them have a fee, and so if you want to reserve the courts at Arapaho Ridge or Columbine, you pay a fee. City of Boulder, she/her: to reserve those, because you're getting exclusive access to amenity, it's now not open to the public. And so this change is making that reservation consistent across the system, consistent with our peers. City of Boulder, she/her: And so I think that… I know it feels like a change, and certainly that is hard, because it's something some folks have gotten for free, but it's not as big of a change as it seems like. City of Boulder, she/her: So, if I were to reserve Court 1 at North Boulder Rock, and I get there, and there's somebody playing on it, I have to say, skedaddle? Which is what's been happening for years. So, no change in how that works.

[53:07] City of Boulder, she/her: Would there be any, option to provide some visibility into which courts are booked when you're there at the facility? And I think that, well, one, it'd be nice at the facility to have some signage or whatnot. I don't know, with our new system, what you're going to be able to see online. City of Boulder, she/her: you should be able to see online, in advance, you'd be able to select which court you're interested in. There'll be a parent-child relationship. I'm getting way into the weeds. But it would show you, basically, in the next 7 days, what time slots are available. City of Boulder, she/her: By having consistent time slots of 30-minute increments, 1 hour to 2 hour… we would have a 2-hour cap per day. It would show you, based on the opening of the park to the closing of the park, what's available. City of Boulder, she/her: But that, I mean, that already exists, right? That you can… you look it up online and see which… what's available and not available. Is there a change that's happening?

[54:02] City of Boulder, she/her: It would just be in a new platform, and much easier to find, much more user-friendly. It is a little bit super user-friendly today. Just background for Caroline, we are in the fourth quarter implementing a new rec management software, and it is much more mobile-forward. City of Boulder, she/her: to facilitate from the field in the view, that's what Jack has seen. City of Boulder, she/her: So the other thing that we'll talk about, kind of, towards the end of this, too, is kind of that communication plan, and as we start to implement change, we know there's a process to really get the community to understand the change that we're trying to implement and what that looks like, and so a lot of the community engagement will come in a form of us informing them as to what's happening, but we'll be very strategic about City of Boulder, she/her: the communication, especially in November and December, before we get into 2026. I think we also need to continue the conversations with Boco Pickleball and BTA, and make sure that City of Boulder, she/her: we're bringing them along with and helping them to understand why we're proposing these changes. So, I do think the investment that Mark and his team and our city is making in courts and

[55:13] City of Boulder, she/her: Post-tension concrete, and resurfacing of quartz, and… City of Boulder, she/her: the considerable financial investment that's coming over the next 5 to 10 years with the additional courts. So, the court system plan recommended 27 new pickleball courts and 27 new tennis courts in the system. 22. 22, sorry, 22 more. City of Boulder, she/her: So, it's quite a bit. So, we really don't bring in much money for court usage at all at this point, and I think we've seen other communities be very successful in doing that. City of Boulder, she/her: Not that we're trying to nickel and dime people, but there's a considerable cost to maintain and develop these courts, and we want to make sure that we're City of Boulder, she/her: within the market, so… When will we get the costs?

[56:01] City of Boulder, she/her: I think what we're looking at doing is that hourly cost. Right now, it's $5 an hour. Our proposed fee and the numbers that we're using is $10 an hour. It's on the lower end of the market rate, and… and so, we still have a lot of work to do to predict and determine how many City of Boulder, she/her: Hours of rentals will experience over the entire court system, and we'll continue to work on that, but we have not increased the fees for courts in the last City of Boulder, she/her: 12? 15 years? 2014 was the last time. Okay, so 11 years. And so, at $5 an hour for courts, we would propose going to $10 per hour, and we'll say that there are communities upwards of $25, $30 an hour for courts. City of Boulder, she/her: Have you… have you received, feedback yet from… City of Boulder, she/her: Pickleball, in terms of, like, what the bigger issues or pushback's gonna be, just so we kind of have… The initial feedback that we heard was, a little bit of the price doubling, potentially. That's certainly a concern, but more than that is the lack of ability to use a third-party membership and pay for that with SilverSneakers or…

[57:12] City of Boulder, she/her: How many people will that impact, do you know? City of Boulder, she/her: I'm sorry? How many people currently use the SilverSneaker benefit? City of Boulder, she/her: I'll have to get back to you on that number. I will say that it's pretty popular across the system and for rec center entries, and the number that we currently bring in from SilverSneakers and Renew Active is less than $5 per visit, so it's well underneath what our City of Boulder, she/her: Our desired, returning fee would be for usage. City of Boulder, she/her: The $10 an hour, is that for pickleball and tennis? City of Boulder, she/her: Yes, yep. City of Boulder, she/her: Do we… City of Boulder, she/her: just to get into the weeds for a moment, are we gonna look at, or did you look at, the same kind of volume discount we do for the Rec Center, where if I'm buying a 10-punch pass, I get a discount?

[58:00] City of Boulder, she/her: We are looking at that across the board. I don't know if we decided, Jackson, if you can refresh my memory, on doing a punch pass for court rentals. We'll need to test it in the sandbox. Okay. City of Boulder, she/her: What if there were a pass just for… City of Boulder, she/her: Pickleball instead of per hour. Do you want… you see what I'm saying? Like, an… City of Boulder, she/her: Just that is its own category. City of Boulder, she/her: The difficulty with that is the software that we've chosen does not allow you to have a membership that applies to a rental. We have given that feedback to the vendor, and they are actively exploring it. They have told us it could be a solid year until they have that as a solution, so… City of Boulder, she/her: Basically, you are renting a space, which is a court, and a membership can't apply to that. City of Boulder, she/her: So we do have some visible limitations. I'm hearing, … I wonder if… I know that there's four other sections to get to, and so I just… what I'm hearing from Yvonne, and would love to test from others, is maybe… are others… are there concerns around charging, or things that we should consider, if there's other feedback?

[59:05] City of Boulder, she/her: I would just say, actually, a bit, like, the opposite. I think one of the issues with the pickleball reservation system is typically, like, the very popular time slots, like 5pm, 6pm, are all very much booked up, because people can book those reservations without paying, so it sort of makes it a little bit harder for people who City of Boulder, she/her: would like to just play, you know, one Tuesday at 6pm. It's difficult to get that time slot. So there is a little bit of this balance between, if you do offer, sort of, you… City of Boulder, she/her: pay a monthly fee, you have unlimited access, you can book up all the time slots you want. That does come at the disadvantage for those who would like to book a single time slot at a particular time. So it is a little bit of a balance, and I think that needs to be taken into consideration when designing the pricing structure. City of Boulder, she/her: Also, we didn't mention this, but it does cause the free bookings of those types of space, cause people to, as a habit, get on the 7 days before, because they have the ability to do that at that select time, and then they may or may not show up.

[60:07] City of Boulder, she/her: Which can be a problem as well. City of Boulder, she/her: Okay. Okay, I think we'll move on, past the courts and into… City of Boulder, she/her: Passes and daily entrants, so… Stephanie? City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, I think that's fine. Alright, so, I'm gonna talk to you… oh, yeah, sure. I'm gonna, I'm gonna talk to you first about… City of Boulder, she/her: rec center entrance, and then I'm going to talk to you about the seasonal facility entrance and access, and then we're going to talk about all access to all of the different facility-type access. And so what you're getting right now is just our existing fees. City of Boulder, she/her: So that if you have questions about the… this is literally just copy and pasted from our website, from two different pages. Promotional pass, this are on the back. City of Boulder, she/her: the ones that are relevant, and our membership, fees are on the front. And so…

[61:04] City of Boulder, she/her: First, again, why are we having this con… this conversation? City of Boulder, she/her: We're talking about charging by different facility types separately, so that we can allow community members to pay for what they intend to use, and not what they won't use. Right now, everyone has to pay for access to everything, and when you do that, it can be more expensive, and it can cause people to not get the same value out of it. City of Boulder, she/her: This… this change of charging for facility types separately actually better aligns us with industry standards, and it allows us to have a little bit better of market comparisons moving forward. City of Boulder, she/her: Additionally, we have modeled out in our costing, those little two graphs that you saw, a discount. So if you hold a recreation center membership. City of Boulder, she/her: You can expect a 15% discount at a seasonal facility. Let's say you just want to add one, right? You'll get that 15% discount. The all-in access pass when we get there would actually, if you're buying all-in access, it's giving you a 15% discount on all of the facilities.

[62:14] City of Boulder, she/her: So, and I think a good reminder before we go in here, and this was listed in the memo, is that when we look at all these fees on the slide, they generally represent the highest fees we will charge for these things. City of Boulder, she/her: So we still do promotional… we have promotional opportunities, we do discounting for different things, so the fees that you're gonna see are generally the highest that people would pay. City of Boulder, she/her: With a little bit of exception, right? Like, the work that we haven't done that we need to do between now and October is the refining, like, the rounding up of a dollar or two, or the rounding down of a dollar or two to make the fees more attractive from a marketing standpoint. It's all just fees based on methodology right now.

[63:00] City of Boulder, she/her: So… City of Boulder, she/her: Going to the next slide here. So this… this… these are the fees that we have modeled and we are proposing. City of Boulder, she/her: for our recreation membership pass. So, just to… to nail the most important point, the Recreation center pass would include access to all three recreation centers. That… that would not change. City of Boulder, she/her: They would all… they're priced very similarly. It makes sense to keep that all-inclusive, and then when we have a shutdown, people can go to another facility, keep it easy. City of Boulder, she/her: On this table, the middle three columns, and you can see this on your sheet, are just about completely flat. City of Boulder, she/her: From what we charge now. City of Boulder, she/her: So, we are not increasing fees for those 66% of members who, use just one facility type. In fact, some of those members who maybe only use an outdoor facility could be potentially paying a little bit less in some instances.

[64:03] City of Boulder, she/her: Okay? There are a couple of exceptions to that holding the fee flat. That first column of the Recreation Center annual pass for non-residents. This is just a correction so that our methodology is consistent. Our resident fees are a 20% discount based on the non-resident rate. City of Boulder, she/her: … City of Boulder, she/her: last year, and the year before when we modeled our fees, our non-resident fees, for some reason were 20% higher than the resident rate, which was kind of doing it the opposite way. And so this is just fixing the math. It represents about a 4% increase at the highest amount, for non-residents. City of Boulder, she/her: And then this last column, daily entry, is a more substantial change. I think it's about a 24% increase. City of Boulder, she/her: And that is priced at cost recovery for adults based on the previous data that we've shared with you all.

[65:04] City of Boulder, she/her: … So, before I move on. City of Boulder, she/her: what questions do you have specifically about the Recreation Center memberships, or would you like to see the other City of Boulder, she/her: Yes. So what happens to those people who buy their annual pass now? City of Boulder, she/her: And then how does that impact it by changing it? Because I think in North Boulder, I could say, buy one now and get 2 months free. City of Boulder, she/her: And do I get the whole, if I buy it now, do I get the, you know, access to everything? City of Boulder, she/her: For the whole year, or…? So, yes, we will continue to honor anything that we have sold through the end of this year, or through our City of Boulder, she/her: we… through when we make these final changes. So, if someone purchased their pass with the expectation that they have access to all of the facilities, they will have access to all of those facilities, and so we understand that we are not going to see the financial,

[66:03] City of Boulder, she/her: any financial changes, large-scale changes, in 2026 because of that. We do have existing liabilities. Courts will still have to be removed because it is not possible to book a court with a membership. So, if I were to purchase, say, in August, then I would have all the benefits of that pass that I purchased this month. City of Boulder, she/her: Until August of 2006. We would be transitioning all of the existing pass members into the all-access pass, based on it is the most comparable pass to what they have purchased now. City of Boulder, she/her: It's too bad we can't communicate that now. City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, it's kind of a double-edged sword there. I think that, in some ways, we're trying our best to not sell a ton of passes between now and when this is implemented. I think the goal would be, with some of these past sales, to do the city manager rule a little bit early. City of Boulder, she/her: So that in November and December, we can start to sell the new passes at the new rates for 2026 rates.

[67:01] City of Boulder, she/her: Versus trying to sell as many as we can up until December 31st. City of Boulder, she/her: Thank you. City of Boulder, she/her: And then I have another question, if you have a second. What's been the experience on member retention when we increase City of Boulder, she/her: fees. So, this, I think we wrote about this in the July memo, so I'd have to look back for the actual numbers, but we… we historically experience very little, City of Boulder, she/her: We normally retain our folks, even with up to 10% increases to fees. We don't have a huge problem. City of Boulder, she/her: Thank you. City of Boulder, she/her: Do you have a communication team doing messaging about this? City of Boulder, she/her: So, we will establish a communication plan, focused on getting all this information out there once it would be approved in October from PrEP as part of the budget process. City of Boulder, she/her: And then, Mike, to your comment about encouraging past sales. Now, we typically… what we do have is some kind of a promotion and marketing plan to capture the New Year's resolution crowd in January.

[68:09] City of Boulder, she/her: And so that typically might have some sweet spot opportunities. Yeah, and then that's where Megan had mentioned that these numbers on the screen will take a marketing spend to this. We know that sales City of Boulder, she/her: That end in a 9, for example, so if it was $7.49 for an adult annual, so we will have… City of Boulder, she/her: some flexibility based on our marketing to refine these numbers, but this is the highest number that people would experience. Thank you. City of Boulder, she/her: But if anyone's listening to this meeting, they will know that now's the time. Thousands of people listening are talking to us. City of Boulder, she/her: those meetings single-handedly solves the budget problem. I think you're bringing up a big point. The team will work hard through all of our different channels in the recreation centers, through the recreation guide, through the e-blast, and we still will have folks who, you know, missed it somehow.

[69:06] City of Boulder, she/her: Yep, absolutely. City of Boulder, she/her: Okay. City of Boulder, she/her: Alright, seasonal facilities. So, as… City of Boulder, she/her: You've all heard this at this point probably a million times, so apologize, we're saying it one more time. The cost to operate our seasonal facilities, it's increased much faster than the cost to operate our indoor facilities. When you take into account the staffing necessary at outdoor facilities, the additional equipment needs. City of Boulder, she/her: at an outdoor pool, the chemical and heating expense, it's all… it's all gone up, quite a lot. And then at the Boulder Reservoir, in addition to that, the ANS, mitigation efforts. City of Boulder, she/her: Right? So, the costs have greatly increased at our outdoor facilities, and our… what we charge now does not really cover that, especially when it's shared across all the facility types. … City of Boulder, she/her: And…

[70:00] City of Boulder, she/her: people access outdoor facilities differently than indoor facilities. And so, by changing how we sell these passes, we can actually better tailor access to the people who use these facilities primarily, and create a cleaner user experience while also better meeting our cost recovery goals. City of Boulder, she/her: Again, a little bit of choose-your-own-adventure. So let's say that you have that rec center pass. City of Boulder, she/her: There's no increase, so you're not experiencing any challenges in January, necessarily, when things change, if you had a monthly, right? City of Boulder, she/her: And then, as we go into the summer, maybe you do use an outdoor pool. Maybe you use it weekly, maybe you use it twice a week, maybe you only use it four times the whole season, right? And that might impact what you want to use those facilities for. City of Boulder, she/her: And so… or at the Boulder Reservoir, maybe you want to go there twice, right? And so, the different options will really play to what does it mean and what's the value you want out of those locations. So, if we go to the next slide…

[71:03] City of Boulder, she/her: … City of Boulder, she/her: you can see some of these rates spelled out, okay? So, really big, and I think it's good to point this out, is that actually all these fees at the Boulder Reservoir, are, for the most part, flat. City of Boulder, she/her: The reservoir-only pass already exists. These are the existing fees of the reservoir-only pass. City of Boulder, she/her: And that's good for the whole year, but really, it's based on pricing for that priority season, which is about 6 months of operation, okay? … City of Boulder, she/her: In addition to that, we have the reservoir daily entry, and so you'll see what we've gotten rid of at the reservoir is the discount for daily entry based on age. City of Boulder, she/her: So if you're driving a car, if you're a single individual driving a car, and you come up to the reservoir, you will pay $12. City of Boulder, she/her: Now, if you are a parent and a child, or any two people in a car, you're gonna pay $20.

[72:03] City of Boulder, she/her: So, so really, when we talk about not having the individual access, and when you're coming in a car, who is that impacting? Potentially driving age people who are coming to the reservoir alone. City of Boulder, she/her: But we're also not increasing the drop-in fee, so it's just based on the existing adult drop-in fee. We're holding that flat. City of Boulder, she/her: Okay? Now, if you're coming to the reservoir with two people, well, it's… it's $20, so that's actually less than you would have paid with an adult and a youth paying separately in today's rates. City of Boulder, she/her: Okay? It's… I think it's a dollar less. City of Boulder, she/her: Okay? And if you are coming in with a carload of 5 people, you will pay $30. And any individuals over 5 in a car will pay an extra $5 per person. City of Boulder, she/her: If you're 3 people in a car. It's a little, just, just a little confusing. Yeah, so if 3 people in a car would pay the $30, and that's still a discount based on the individual rate. Got it. Yeah.

[73:05] City of Boulder, she/her: The marketing for the res will be specific to the res and communicate it more clearly. I think in the table format, we're trying to show you the apples to apples, but for the res, because it's all going to be specific to the res, the marketing will help clarify. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, so if you were one person in a car, why wouldn't you just be charged, like, a car rate, like, 20? Like, I don't know, I guess what you're not doing here with this pricing structure is incentivizing City of Boulder, she/her: carpooling. That's not part of… Well… City of Boulder, she/her: Well, we are, right? You don't get the discounts unless you are… City of Boulder, she/her: carpooling. So you're not really seeing any of that discounting unless you have at least two people in a car. It's a better deal if you have three, it's an even better deal if you have 4 or 5, right? And it is traditionally reservoir-type locations charged by the vehicle, and so, yeah, certainly we did not City of Boulder, she/her: … City of Boulder, she/her: we… we did not get rid of the $12 and just charge $20 for someone in a car. That fell drastic. Okay.

[74:08] City of Boulder, she/her: Thanks. Do we charge people who walk in or ride a bike in? Yes. We do, and we actually are, we are… have modeled in a rate of $5 instead of the individual fee. So, if you walk in, or if you bike in, you'll just pay $5 for entry, regardless of season. City of Boulder, she/her: So right now, we have that discount, I think, just on the flank seasons, and it's, someone who bikes in or walks in pays, like, the regular daily entry rate during the main season, and now it will just be a walk or, a pedestrian or a bike rate of $5. City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, it'll also be $5 additional if you have more than 5 people in a vehicle. So if you have a minivan, you have 7 people in there, each additional person above the 5 people, in the $30, for that fee would be $5 a person. So, a vehicle of 7 would cost $40, which is very reasonable.

[75:07] City of Boulder, she/her: Questions about the reservoir before I… City of Boulder, she/her: Go a little further on the outdoor pools. City of Boulder, she/her: Now this… I do. Yeah. Was there… sorry if I missed this one. Did the, … City of Boulder, she/her: Are you thinking about, like, what if I bring Albert in? City of Boulder, she/her: So, our permit fees for boat permits and everything, we, we have… we did those, I believe, last year, but we typically look at that separately from the memberships. This is just… you'll get that as part of the fee schedule in October. All of those fees for boat storage, for… City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, okay, thank you. City of Boulder, she/her: Are those permitting fees going up, considering needing to… City of Boulder, she/her: watch out for the balls of things. I believe there is a slight increase. I know Stacy Cole was on the call. I don't know if Stacy, you're available. Well, are we ready to answer that? I think we're coming back in October with any other feedback. We're analyzing it right now. Yeah, we're still working on that, so I would hate to tell you something not accurate.

[76:14] City of Boulder, she/her: Yes. City of Boulder, she/her: My laptop is frozen completely. You know, we've had a lot of tech challenges today, so please be hanging in there with us. Well, you can jump into the outdoor pool. Okay, so the outdoor pool fees. So, if you read the packet, we're actually within the market range for the outdoor pool fees when you look at the Summer Fun Pass. City of Boulder, she/her: And the new proposed rate for an adult non-resident at 290 remains within that market comparison when you consider that we have an extended operating season, okay? City of Boulder, she/her: So this represents… these fees at the outdoor pools, while they're within market, they represent a roughly 11% increase from the existing Summer Fund Pass.

[77:04] City of Boulder, she/her: However, the existing Summer Fund Pass is based on just Memorial Day to Labor Day access, and this pool pass City of Boulder, she/her: is for the full pool season, whatever that may be. So, at the outdoor pools, right now, Scott Carpenter is open as early as May 1st, doesn't usually happen that early, it's weather-dependent, and as late as September 30th. City of Boulder, she/her: So the pricing is, is based on kind of, like, an average number of weeks operating and, and the market range. City of Boulder, she/her: … City of Boulder, she/her: We do have an opportunity specifically with our seasonal facilities to offer a shorter access pass for Memorial to Labor Day that's promotional. I don't know what that would be yet, but for the families who just want an outdoor pool or just want the reservoir during just the summer months when their kids are out of school, again, these represent the highest fees that someone might pay for access.

[78:04] City of Boulder, she/her: And there is potential for other proportional fees. City of Boulder, she/her: … City of Boulder, she/her: Did I miss… with the pools. I think on the next slide, when we look at the… City of Boulder, she/her: They… oh, no, daily entry is here. Okay, the other big thing at the pools is that we are not within market for… City of Boulder, she/her: Our market comparisons typically only, subsidize senior or youth entry between 8% and 25%, so we are proposing, and I get… we'll have the conversation about this at a later slide, but just so that you're aware, those daily entries for pool fees, the discounting for seniors is reduced from 25% to 20%, and the discounting on the daily entry for City of Boulder, she/her: youth and on the passes is reduced from 40% discounting to 25% discounting. So it's a reduction in subsidy use, at specifically the outdoor facilities to help us offset costs. Yep, and I think we'll cover that a little bit more. Yeah, we'll talk about that specifically.

[79:10] City of Boulder, she/her: Soon. City of Boulder, she/her: Okay. City of Boulder, she/her: And then, what if… so 6% of people use all 3 types of the facilities? City of Boulder, she/her: Now, when I say that, they might only go to the reservoir once, but they go to the rec center 50 times, and it might make sense for them to just have a rec center pass, and then pay a drop-in rate at the reservoir, right? I don't know what's right for every individual person, but 6% of people use all facilities, or in 2024, used all facility types at least once, okay? City of Boulder, she/her: And so these fees are based on needing to meet our cost recovery goals and the actual cost of what we would probably need to do if we were not splitting these things separately. City of Boulder, she/her: … The… it… this is where you'll see the biggest increase. City of Boulder, she/her: Compared to what we offer now.

[80:01] City of Boulder, she/her: … I don't recall the percentage off the top of my head, it is in the packet. City of Boulder, she/her: … City of Boulder, she/her: And the people who have been using all of the facilities quite often are historically the ones who have been getting the best value at the current pass rate, and would experience the biggest burden of changes if they do want to access all the different facility types multiple times a week. City of Boulder, she/her: I mean, going to every facility two times or more a week is probably not super likely. City of Boulder, she/her: To be honest, so I don't know that that would be the best option. A better option might be the pass types that you want and the 10-punch pass, okay? The 10-punch passes, as modeled here, are based on volume discounting, so if you are a resident, you… and you want a 10-punch City of Boulder, she/her: pass, you're getting $2 off per entry by buying 10 at once. If you're a non-resident, and you buy a 10 punch pass, you're getting $1 off

[81:00] City of Boulder, she/her: per entry, whether, you know, $1 off per entry. And that actually, that modeling is the same for youth and seniors, so if you're a senior, it's a little bit of a better deal. It's a better discount off that punch. City of Boulder, she/her: Percentage-wise, not dollar-off entry-wise. And for youth, because $2 is obviously a larger percentage of the youth rate than it is of the adult rate. City of Boulder, she/her: So I think what we're anticipating here is, we know we jacked up the cost quite a bit for the all-access pass, and that's going to be a change for the folks that do that, but I do believe the 10-punch option is going to be really popular. City of Boulder, she/her: We're gonna have a lot of folks that buy a rec center membership, and then they get a 10-punch pass to allow them to go to the reservoir or to the outdoor pools. City of Boulder, she/her: So I think this is a good solution, that that 6% may choose to get the additional all-access pass, but we feel like having that 10-punch option is really attractive, and will be easily marketable, and folks will decide to go that direction.

[82:05] City of Boulder, she/her: And this is also where we have another opportunity for a potential promotional pass. We do not currently do a punch pass for family entry or carload entry. That's something that we want to look into, and would offer it maybe similar to how we do a summer fun pass now, but for a family punch or something, something that gets, you know, if you're… you and your family are going to come at least this number of times over the City of Boulder, she/her: next two years, maybe that's the best deal for you. So we have some opportunities there. City of Boulder, she/her: Can you go back to the slide that showed the percentages of people that used all this stuff? Yep. City of Boulder, she/her: Two different facility types, so that means, like, rec center, reservoir, or reservoir pools. City of Boulder, she/her: Correct.

[83:00] City of Boulder, she/her: So, beautiful. City of Boulder, she/her: 99% daily, I think, helpful. City of Boulder, she/her: I mean… Seems like a good idea. We… City of Boulder, she/her: with that in mind, you know? If it was 48% of people that were visiting 3 different facility types, then I'd feel bad about it. City of Boulder, she/her: This is actual data, like… Correct. From, like, every user? Correct. Not, like, a poll. Every entry in 2024. Okay. Actual usage. Okay. City of Boulder, she/her: Do we know, what… this may be too deep a dive into the data, but do we know what percentage of that 28% are seniors, for example? I'm thinking about the spruce pool people. City of Boulder, she/her: You know, do they swim in a rec center in the winter and use the outdoor in the summer? So they… if they were to purchase an all-access pass, it would be… City of Boulder, she/her: pretty high for them. The change would be pretty significant.

[84:02] City of Boulder, she/her: … City of Boulder, she/her: So, I don't know if we have that data, but another question I have is, is… are you thinking about maybe a mix and match? Like, you buy… you buy a pool and a rec center, and you get 20% off of one or the other, or some combo deal? These are 15% off, and that's… that's the goal, is you purchase specifically what you would use. So… City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, so if you have an active recreation center membership, and you purchase an outdoor pool pass, you'll get 15% off on the outdoor pool pass. City of Boulder, she/her: If you really want the convenience of the all-access pass to everything, and you really are using the facilities enough where it makes sense for you, you actually are getting 15% off of the rec center, the reservoir, and the outdoor pool. It's a flat 15% off across everything. City of Boulder, she/her: But Megan, correct me if I'm wrong, the question you started with was for SilverSneakers folks, there will be no change for 2026. They're a third party.

[85:03] City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, I'll cover that on the next slide. So if we can just jump to slide 13, Stacy, and I can take this one and talk about it a little bit, because that speaks directly to your question. So, right now, 55% of memberships are subsidized in some way, shape, or form. City of Boulder, she/her: And so we definitely want to continue doing those discounting, and we certainly understand the financial pressures that community members are under. So, in 2026, we are not going to do any changes to financial assistance or third-party memberships. So, your SilverSneakers. City of Boulder, she/her: We'll still have access to the outdoor pools, they'll still be able to swipe in at the Boulder Reservoir, they'll still be able to go to any of the rec centers, and that's all covered. In 2026, that's when we'll do the heavy lift. City of Boulder, she/her: Working with our community connectors and working to develop a sliding scale that's equitable and fair based on income. Right now, 60% AMI and below receive free access to our facilities.

[86:03] City of Boulder, she/her: We can talk more about financial aid, but I think that work will happen in 26, and that will come back to this board as well. So there'll be a lot more that happens there, but for now, you can see on the slide, the age-based discounts and what we're proposing is a slight reduction in the level of City of Boulder, she/her: assistance that we provide for seniors going from 25 to 20, and from youth going from a 40% discount in our youth fees to a 25% discount. Still significant discounts from our regular fees, but we feel like, City of Boulder, she/her: we really need to rein that in a little bit. The other change that we want to make is aligning ourselves with other communities to consider youth ages 2 to 17. Right now, we have a broader range for what is considered youth. City of Boulder, she/her: And, and so we think that an 18-year-old should no longer be considered youth, they should be considered an adult. That lines with industry standards, so that's one additional change. City of Boulder, she/her: And then, the last big change that we would make as far as subsidy, currently, if you buy a household membership.

[87:07] City of Boulder, she/her: There is an unlimited number of people that could live in your home, and we would basically allow all of them to join the rec center under one household membership. City of Boulder, she/her: What we're proposing is limiting that to four… four members, so typically two adults, two children, or however you want to arrange that, but four… four individuals, and then there would be a fee for additional City of Boulder, she/her: household members above and beyond. So, if you have a multi-generational household with several adults and several children, instead of it being one membership, it's limiting it to four. City of Boulder, she/her: And that's common across industry standards. City of Boulder, she/her: Megan, is there anything you wanted to add on that? Well, I will say, if there is an older adult who does not have a third-party membership, they would be getting that same 15% discount on the additional facility if they're holding the rec center pass.

[88:01] City of Boulder, she/her: or if they really are just using the outdoor facility and not the indoor facility, they might benefit from a monthly pass, and then take… turning it off and doing just the outdoor facility pass. … City of Boulder, she/her: But we've kind of modeled it in a way where it would make probably more sense for them to hold the other pass and then get the discount if they ever want to go inside. City of Boulder, she/her: Still. City of Boulder, she/her: Thank you. City of Boulder, she/her: Spacey, let's do the next slide. City of Boulder, she/her: So, obviously, there's a lot of changes we're proposing, and the last slide was a lot of the changes where we're providing subsidy to things. So, first, there's some changes to senior and youth beige discounts, right? So we did run everything through our rapid equity assessment tool to understand who may experience impact and burden from these changes. City of Boulder, she/her: In each case, we're recommending some strategies, so that we can reduce possible burdens to those that we don't want to experience those, right? And so, specifically, when we talk about the senior and youth discounts and the youth age category, you know, we're talking about having promotional pass opportunities. So, the person who does want just Bruce Poole

[89:23] City of Boulder, she/her: In the summer, well, if we have a promotional pass of Memorial Day to Labor Day, that might be the best bet for them, and it would be at a better value, right? Not restricting the four who may be included in a household pass to allow, say, only two adults and two youth, but maybe it's any four who are in a household. City of Boulder, she/her: Additionally, we're talking about, the young adults who are still at home and in high school to use the high school ID to be able to get the youth discount while they're still in high school. City of Boulder, she/her: And… On the next slide.

[90:04] City of Boulder, she/her: People who could potentially be impacted are also large or multi-general generational households. Again, offering that flexibility of who's allowed in a household, and we've also set the additional member to a household fee pretty low in the comparable market. So if you're a resident, it's either $100 or $110, depending on if you're at City of Boulder, she/her: one of the seasonal facilities or rec centers, or the all-access pass, right? So, if you have a family of five, it's only $100 more for that one extra person. City of Boulder, she/her: Okay? And… City of Boulder, she/her: In relation to courts, and we already talked about this a whole lot, but we're actually hoping that those changes will help spread the usage across the whole system, because right now, the courts at the rec centers are really highly booked, and then the courts at our satellite locations. City of Boulder, she/her: are usually available, I want to say the court study said, like, 90% of the time, and so balancing that out better, we're hoping creates more access for everyone.

[91:11] City of Boulder, she/her: Mike, let me ask you a question. So, you do North Boulder Rec, do you buy an annual pass? No, I do monthly. My employer. Do your employer. And do you use just the rec center, or do you ever use the outdoor pool? Just use the rec center. City of Boulder, she/her: My only concern is the monthly rate going up for the rec centers, because that's pretty drastic. I mean, that's $30 that's going up, from $72 to $103. City of Boulder, she/her: From the existing monthly to the all-access monthly? City of Boulder, she/her: What's 103? The 103 is the monthly resident rate for access to everything. Go to slide 9? Yeah, that… so slide 12 is the 103, and slide 9, it's actually for an adult resident, is flat. $700.

[92:02] City of Boulder, she/her: So Mike's fee won't change. Mike's fee won't. Actually, I think mine goes… I think mine right now is $54, so it may… And it goes down to dollars, in our model. Yeah. Okay, so the 103 is… okay, so this is for the all-access, but the other ones are still staying the same. City of Boulder, she/her: Like, if somebody just wants to go to the rec centers, it's $72 for a monthly pass. City of Boulder, she/her: So basically, what we're proposing is keeping the majority of fees flat. We're just reducing the access and giving that 6%, or whoever would like, the ability to pay more to have access to everything. Alright, thank you. That cleared things up. Sorry, I just didn't note that there. City of Boulder, she/her: All right, so if we can go to slide 16, next steps. So… I'm sorry, I have a question, and I apologize. Can you… Megan, can you talk a little bit about the two-year-olds being charged… not charged for entry, and that… City of Boulder, she/her: What are we doing here? So, currently, if you're under 3, you're free everywhere, okay? The exception to that is that we… by using a youth entry of any type at our recreation facilities, you gain access to childcare. So, a lot of 6-month-old to

[93:15] City of Boulder, she/her: two, three-year-olds are already on household memberships, or are already in youth passes, if they're accessing childcare. So, the… City of Boulder, she/her: And 2-year-olds at the outdoor facility, specifically, are really… City of Boulder, she/her: They take a lot more attention to guard. It's a really staff-intensive to support two-year-olds in water, whether that's at the reservoir, the indoor or outdoor pools. And the industry standard City of Boulder, she/her: varies greatly, however, the majority of folks start the youth paying at 2. At outdoor facilities, like Scott Carpenter, for instance, a lot of places actually start charging youth at 6 months. We're not proposing that.

[94:01] City of Boulder, she/her: It's… City of Boulder, she/her: All right, so next steps, staff will bring a communication timeline to you in September as well, so that as we start to implement some of these changes, you see, our plan to share this information with the public, and we'll give you an update. City of Boulder, she/her: on communications with Boca Pickleball and BTA, and other community organizations. We'll also talk about the city manager's proposed budget here next month. So, you'll hear quite a bit more in September. October, we'll be bringing you the fee schedule. That's where you'll also see City of Boulder, she/her: Fees for, fields, for other reservations, for the golf course, all of our other services that are not addressed through the membership structure. We'll also, start to have the public communications in October. City of Boulder, she/her: Around the recreation management software that we're implementing, so that will be a transition that will happen November 3rd through the 14th, and then we'll have a full transition over on November 14th.

[95:09] City of Boulder, she/her: with our software for the community, and there is a communication plan already in the works for that. And then that system goes live, as I mentioned, on November 14th, and that's where we'll want to put on sale these new membership options for the public. City of Boulder, she/her: And then in 2026, we'll work on the third-party memberships for SilverSneakers and Renew Active, and renegotiating those contracts, or determining the best way to proceed with those, as well as the sliding scale for financial aid. So, that's our plan for the next, the next few months, so you'll have a lot more City of Boulder, she/her: touches on the budget and this information. For now, what we're hoping to get from you, you've asked several questions already, and this is extremely helpful for us. City of Boulder, she/her: The first question that we have is, are you supportive of the structural changes, excuse me, that we're proposing? And then, do you have any suggestions around the communication plan, if we do move forward with these structural changes?

[96:10] City of Boulder, she/her: I'm supportive. City of Boulder, she/her: And I think that you answered all the questions I have. City of Boulder, she/her: Communication planning, you just explained that pretty well. City of Boulder, she/her: … I think it's a really unique… Interesting way to… City of Boulder, she/her: Adjust the fee policy to reach your cost for president. City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, I support it, too. I think you guys did an incredible lift to get all those packages together, and, you know, just a real lot of really good work, so thank you for doing that. City of Boulder, she/her: And I'm waiting to see what the communication plan is. City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, same. I'm curious about the communication. I think I said this my first day here, but I thought it would be really cool just to have a QR code. City of Boulder, she/her: Like, around, all the rec centers, and where you could just take your phone and just get all that information.

[97:06] City of Boulder, she/her: And I'm super excited for you all to see the new recreation management software, because it is very user-friendly, and I think it will simplify people's ability to just jump online and purchase a membership, or sign up for a program. It's going to be really convenient and just awesome. City of Boulder, she/her: Is there, like, a mobile app associated with it at all, or is that…? City of Boulder, she/her: Yes, there will be a mobile app. It's mobile-friendly first, digitally accessible, future improvements. Awesome. City of Boulder, she/her: also very supportive, and I know it's kind of crunch all these numbers, and figure out exactly how this cost structure would work, so great job in doing all of that. City of Boulder, she/her: I think in terms of the communication, maybe it's good to just think through what are some groups that are going to be impacted, and I don't mean, like, groups like seniors, I just mean, like, the type of person who goes to the rec center and goes to the outdoor pools.

[98:02] City of Boulder, she/her: So they're gonna see their membership fee go up. City of Boulder, she/her: And then just having, sort of, like, a set of strategies around those specific types of people, and explaining, like, oh, well, you can actually get a 10-punch pass, or, like, there's a… there's ways in which we've actually thought through your specific situation, and we have a couple of solutions that could help, your situation out. City of Boulder, she/her: All right, … Yvonne, do I need to do? Nope. City of Boulder, she/her: I mean, I still… I recognize the amount of work, this is extraordinary, and being able to project, and the uncertainty in all of this, I understand, and I appreciate that. But I just… my gut tells me that, you know, when I read the packet, the pickleball thing was the biggest concern. Like, that… City of Boulder, she/her: was my focus, and I was thinking, trying to put myself in the place of City of Boulder, she/her: you know, these very active pickleball court users. I'm not one of them, but I was trying to imagine what the potential pushback could be. So I was kind of… Kira, you're much more active in that sport

[99:09] City of Boulder, she/her: But you feel, it sounds like, like it's… there's not going to be a lot of pushback in the community. I'm just not sure. There's two different groups, I think, is the part of the problem. So, this affects those members who have a monthly pass to the rec center and are used to booking the course for free. So, it seems like there's around 20 individuals where this impacts them greatly, but there's also just a huge number of City of Boulder, she/her: People who use the pickleball court system don't have an annual or a monthly pass. City of Boulder, she/her: And so this actually makes it… will improve things just in terms of opening up the court reservation system a bit for them. I think the other thing just to keep in mind is, like, for everyone, the fee going up from $5 to $10, that is a significant change. At the same time, it is under City of Boulder, she/her: market, compared to, like, Boulder Pickleball, for instance, and some private facilities, so just…

[100:04] City of Boulder, she/her: Okay. Yeah, so just at a high level, that's my, just, gut reaction, was that was… City of Boulder, she/her: Out of everything, that was the one thing that caused me a little bit of just making sure that we're doing the best City of Boulder, she/her: giving the best value, because as I was reading it, the materials, I was thinking, it feels, again, it's more of an optics thing. If the facility has, like, a rec center has, like, South Boulder pickleball courts already attached to it, there's a… an optics of, oh, I'm paying for the rec center, and I get pickleball use, cool. City of Boulder, she/her: And by peeling that off, I'm just a little bit concerned that there could be pushback in the community for those who are… who want the rec center value, but then have to pay another layer of cost City of Boulder, she/her: to use the pickleball courts, and I just want to make sure that people don't feel like, well, why does the non-payer get the same access, and I'm having to pay extra? So that was just the biggest thing I would flag as something to just ponder or think through a little bit more. I know you've already done that, but…

[101:10] City of Boulder, she/her: Just… that would be the one thing. City of Boulder, she/her: I'm also very supportive. I think you all did a great job. I think the area where we're going to hear about the most is from the SilverSneaker crowd and other folks getting used to getting a very steeped senior discount, and I don't… I think you've made the right decision, but I just anticipate that City of Boulder, she/her: We're gonna hear about it. City of Boulder, she/her: I'm gonna… City of Boulder, she/her: what I think about for the communication plan is making sure that our teammates have really good information for the folks who say, I pay taxes, I don't understand, how in Boulder am I having to pay for this service? And I think that our communication plan will have really crisp points to explain that. City of Boulder, she/her: In fact, no, our taxes are not enough. City of Boulder, she/her: And costs are increasing, and that in giving away this access.

[102:00] City of Boulder, she/her: that there's an exclusivity that is happening there that is… that is impacting other folks, and our North Star has to be broad-based community benefit, and so I think that… I hear you, it's the question… I've asked tons of questions on the courts. It's… it's going to feel like a taking. City of Boulder, she/her: I do not promise that people will be jumping up and down and excited. I think that we might hear some concerns. Let that not be a reflection of really good work, right? It's a reflection that it's a change, and that people might be disappointed. And so, I say that to prepare us all, that we are in a world where we cannot be giving things away for free, for which there is a market for a fee and for a charge. City of Boulder, she/her: And so I think our communication plan will include making sure the board, our staff, and the community understands it. I don't think folks will like it, but how do we make sure folks understand the need to be really thoughtful about where… where are fees removed? City of Boulder, she/her: Because they need to benefit folks who have been prioritized for the community and where are fees appropriate.

[103:05] City of Boulder, she/her: You get a little elevator speech? We can give you an elevator speech. We will definitely do that, and I do think the fact that the entire court system will be consistent, and if no one is utilizing the court, you can step on and utilize that court for free. City of Boulder, she/her: So, all this does is charge those that want to guarantee their time on their court. City of Boulder, she/her: that they want to utilize. So, if you wanted to go earlier in the day, there's plenty of courts across the system, or there will be, in really good condition, and there'll be a lot available, and there'll be… City of Boulder, she/her: the opportunity to just walk up and go play pickleball. We will still keep the reservations for Boco Pickleball for… the group reservations will still continue to happen on a quarterly basis. That will not change. City of Boulder, she/her: those fees, you will see the fee increase on those in October, so there'll be a little bit of a fee increase associated with those, but I think it really is that individual benefit, you know, to guarantee my court at my time

[104:05] City of Boulder, she/her: There's a cost to that. City of Boulder, she/her: And so that was our rationale, and that's also what was recommended in the court system plan from the external consultant. And our… many of our community members that are involved in vocal pickleball or tennis saw that court system plan and were very actively involved in that process. That's good to hear. City of Boulder, she/her: Okay. City of Boulder, she/her: Budget is next. City of Boulder, she/her: We have it listed as a matter from the department. I'm sorry, Jackson High Business Services Manager. Basically, there's no real update to share. On this Friday, the City Manager will be releasing a recommended budget to the community, staff, as well as all of the boards. City of Boulder, she/her: Our intention is to share that out with you. It will be publicly accessible, and then next month, we will highlight what those changes mean for us, what it means for our service levels, and then ask you to recommend the budget and approve the appropriations from the Perm Perks and Recreation Fund.

[105:06] City of Boulder, she/her: No presentation this month, that is it, so… For 60 minutes. That's a miss. 60 seconds. I think it's just 30 minutes, but yeah, that's a miss. … City of Boulder, she/her: There's a weird timing thing that actually we're going to revise for next year, that we could come start the budget process with you all a little bit later, because per the charter, your role is to comment on the city manager's recommended budget, and just with the flow of meetings in the cadence this year, it's not out yet, and so we don't… we can't share it with you yet. Well, I appreciate it, because there are so many new members. City of Boulder, she/her: That, you know, you went through it early, which is helpful, so… City of Boulder, she/her: We'll get Caroline up to speed a moment. Thank you. City of Boulder, she/her: just FYI, I was looking at the agenda for May, so as my… City of Boulder, she/her: It probably was 60 minutes in advance, so I'm guessing it was maybe even longer. But, yeah. So, Jackson, thank you for that, and I'll…

[106:06] City of Boulder, she/her: … City of Boulder, she/her: We will be sure the minute that is published, there will be a press release out, there will be emails, and we'll just forward that to you all to make it easy, so that you're not having to search, you know, all the webpages for all the things. And then your September item, where we will look for your input on that to bring to Council, will call out very specifically the Park Recreation inputs. City of Boulder, she/her: Best presentation ever. Is there a… is there a… I'm sorry, you already said this, but is… will you be sending that in, like, a little farther in advance, so we have a little time to just digest beforehand, or is it the same amount? City of Boulder, she/her: Which is just final, right? It'll be final. Yeah, probably the same amount of time. On Friday, we will include a hyperlink to the public-facing webpage for the Parks and Rec budget. That has a lot of narrative associated with it, and it has the pretty graphs, slightly different colors, but…

[107:01] City of Boulder, she/her: I think we can probably provide a little more context via email. City of Boulder, she/her: In advance of the packet. I'm also just looking at the timeline for the packet, and… City of Boulder, she/her: the week before your next meeting, we will be receiving national accreditation. And so there might be a little bit of wiggle room in the packet, but let me stand by and check with our staff experts and get back to you. City of Boulder, she/her: Congratulations! Yeah, stay tuned. It's not yet, but that'll be big news for September. That's not on their agenda, but it needs to be for September. City of Boulder, she/her: Is that a… are you gonna do, like, a… City of Boulder, she/her: Ribbon cutting the whole system? I don't know how that goes. Stay tuned, we will, I can't believe it is not on your future board items, but in September, we will report out on the accreditation. City of Boulder, she/her: Great, but can you tell us a little bit about, like, why is it so special and, … Now or in September? Now, just, like, what… what is it… what is it making instead of, you know, national, national industry? Yeah, sure. Let me… I guess maybe that feels like a modification of the agenda to answer that question right now, I'm not sure. Okay. So…

[108:14] City of Boulder, she/her: are, like many industries, police has it, public works has it, I think it exists in the private sector. The parks and Recreation profession has, the Commission for the Accreditation of Parks and Recreation Agencies, or CAPRA. City of Boulder, she/her: Currently, there are 154 standards that, to achieve accreditation, you have to achieve over 140 of them. And the standards are organized around administration, facility, and land use. City of Boulder, she/her: planning, fiscal practices, human resources practices, risk and safety. There's a whole chapter on outcomes and innovation. Our department decided in 2023 to achieve this accreditation. It was a major source of work in 2024. City of Boulder, she/her: We hit submit on all of our standards, meaning for a standard, like, you show that you have a revenue policy, so we show the thoughtful work we've done to develop a fee policy.

[109:08] City of Boulder, she/her: In March, we had a team of trained reviewers from around the country, three folks who came here, they looked at the standards, they talked to folks who developed them, they looked for actually beyond what we submitted to see if we actually use it by looking at City of Boulder, she/her: staff training logs, Parks and Rec Advisory Board logs, and they offer a recommendation, and at… City of Boulder, she/her: the conference in 3 weeks, we'll have a hearing where the commission actually will review all of these materials, and then, depending upon their findings, we'll be one of less than 2% of agencies all over the country that have achieved this agreement. That is pretty amazing. That is a big deal. It's a really big deal. For us, we've said all along, and we can show you some of it. Actually, Jackson's got it on his computer, but we've said all along that this is about 3 things. City of Boulder, she/her: One, our mission is high-quality parks and recreation, and CAPRA is the definition of high quality in our industry, and so it's a way to show the community that we are a high-performing agency, and hope and still voter confidence at the ballot. So when you ask, you know, what does it mean? It is also for us, there's some folks, some of our teammates in that picture, it is about development, and so

[110:14] City of Boulder, she/her: Our employees were engaged every step of the way in helping demonstrate accreditation. It will help as we onboard new employees. They can go to One Stop, our library, and learn about, really, all of our highest and most important policies. City of Boulder, she/her: And then third, we've got a trail in that picture, because it's about continuous improvement. So accreditation is not a one-stop thing. It could be. You could get accredited once and then never do it again. We're committed, we've done debriefs of the process, and our team finds incredible value in it, as do I. So we will continue to get re-accredited every five years. City of Boulder, she/her: And to get reaccredited, you can't just update the date on a document. You have to show continuous improvement, and you have to achieve all of the standards. So when we go back for reaccreditation, we'll have to have achieved City of Boulder, she/her: all of the standards. And so, why it's important for our team is for that growth, for the development. Why it's important for the community, we believe, is that it shows that we are a high-performing, well-organized department that you want to support at the ballot, in the ways that that shows up in engaging in projects, and really, we think… we know this community has high expectations, and we think it's a way to show that

[111:22] City of Boulder, she/her: We meet them. City of Boulder, she/her: That's fantastic. City of Boulder, she/her: Jenny and I attended a… City of Boulder, she/her: dinner, drinks thing with some of the inspectors, and they're here in March, and it was great to meet folks from other agencies who were here. System, and … City of Boulder, she/her: And they were clearly quite impressed with that landed department. Yeah, very cool. So it was great to be part of that. Yeah. City of Boulder, she/her: Glad to be here for the exciting part at the end. This is the easy part. Yeah, this is the beginning part, it's definitely… City of Boulder, she/her: Harder, but it was, … you guys have done a lot of good work in order to get there, so thank you so much. City of Boulder, she/her: Our team's amazing.

[112:01] City of Boulder, she/her: Okay, next we have Safe and Managed Public Spaces. Yes, my, teammate is going to drive for me. So, this item, Safe and Managed Public Spaces, this item is on your agenda per the request of the board. So, Safe and Managed Public Spaces is the City's strategy for addressing the symptoms of homelessness in our parks. This is just an informational order item. City of Boulder, she/her: It was calendared with the agenda Committee. I'll note that this is separate from the homelessness strategy. That is the purview of City Council. They actually just discussed this topic on August 14th, and I'm thinking that in your September packet, I'd be happy, or I can forward you the link to the update to the 2017 City of Boulder, she/her: homelessness strategy. So I am going to, real quick, my trusty teammate here, thank you. I'm going to get notes, and I'm going to look at a timer to make sure that I stay on track. City of Boulder, she/her: … Alright, so any questions before I dive in?

[113:02] City of Boulder, she/her: Okay. City of Boulder, she/her: Why SAMHS? These… I want to call out that these are old pictures. These are actually from 2023, but safe and managed public spaces really got organized City of Boulder, she/her: In 2021, because we were seeing significant impacts on public spaces. City of Boulder, she/her: Rough sleeping, which is also referred to as unsheltered camp, homelessness or unsanctioned camping. Rough sleeping is the term that is being used, because it describes individuals sleeping outdoors or in places not meant for habitation, such as streets or parks. City of Boulder, she/her: Boulder's strategy is now using this term because we want to emphasize the harsh and dangerous conditions faced by those living without shelter and the public health necessary to prevent such behavior. And so this is not the current state, but in 2023, 21, 22, 23, we were seeing issues across the parks City of Boulder, she/her: So if you could go to the next slide, Stacy. We were seeing issues related to people living outdoors. There were fire hazards, biohazards in public spaces.

[114:02] City of Boulder, she/her: Trash impacts, concerns for the health and safety of city staff and community members, impacts on police resources. City of Boulder, she/her: Some associated crime, and really specifically victimization among members of our homeless community, and then just harm to the environment, to community, and to members. And so, the city is working very hard to end homelessness in our community, and safe and managed public spaces has some adjacencies. There's a VIN diagram, but generally this work really is about mitigating the City of Boulder, she/her: impacts of … sleeping outside on our system. And so, if you go to the next slide… City of Boulder, she/her: Those are just… I talked about the key takeaway, that it's really trying to address the symptoms of homelessness. Safe and managed public spaces alone will not solve homelessness. Sometimes the work is criticized City of Boulder, she/her: for not solving homelessness, and just to be clear, that's not the goal. There are abatement protocols and an action plan that were first created in 2023. They've been updated every single year, always keeping respect of all individuals centered in this, and so if you…

[115:14] City of Boulder, she/her: Many members, our elected officials, do ride-alongs with our police department, and everyone I know who has ever done that with the Safe and Managed Public Spaces team comments on the dignity and respect with which they do their work. City of Boulder, she/her: So I say preliminary results. This… we're 4 years in, actually, to these programs, and we have seen results. We've seen incredible improvements. City of Boulder, she/her: And we still have challenges. City of Boulder, she/her: If you go to the next slide, this is… I am not going to read all of this to you. On the right is a heat map of where we see most of the rough sleeping in our community. You can see it concentrates along the water and drainageways, mainly Boulder Creek and Goose Creek. City of Boulder, she/her: And… but they occur in other pockets throughout the city. The program does have defined goals. There's a dashboard online if you're curious about the outcomes or the ways that it's measured, that information. The SAMHS public page is very robust. It has FAQs, it has a dashboard, and reporting out on these goals.

[116:13] City of Boulder, she/her: … City of Boulder, she/her: And I'll call out some of the… access to public space and public infrastructure is not an impeded. There were… there were instances where folks would set up and establish their daily living activities in doorways of buildings. City of Boulder, she/her: adjacent to playgrounds, and those have impacts and effectively privatize public space. So that is one of the goals that we're trying to achieve. We're trying to protect waterways and really make sure everyone feels welcome at a park. City of Boulder, she/her: If you go to the next slide… … City of Boulder, she/her: So, we want to show here that this is a cross-departmental holistic approach, and I want to celebrate this. I just talked to a colleague in another community. City of Boulder, she/her: in our state, and they don't have the partnership with the police department, or the human services department, or the Utilities Department. They, as the Parks and Recreation Director, are trying to manage this alone, and I'm so grateful that's not the case here in Boulder. We have an interdisciplinary team that is working really hard. We have an internal operations team that is housed with our utilities department. This is amazing. It's been in place since 2021. There was one team, and now

[117:17] City of Boulder, she/her: now there are two. This is really beneficial for two reasons. In the before, we contracted with someone to do this work, and it was an environmental cleanup company. City of Boulder, she/her: When there were national disasters, large natural disasters, they would prioritize to hurricane recovery or wildfire recovery, and we were left unsupported here in our community. City of Boulder, she/her: The other benefit is now that it is in-house, our staff are trained in the ways that we expect this work to be completed, and the better… there is a better level of service, there are relationships, folks throughout the community. City of Boulder, she/her: We have a ranger team that is supporting Parks and Recreation. That has not existed since 2012. It went away, for a lot of different reasons, and we've brought that back. We now have… there's the Open Space Ranger team.

[118:03] City of Boulder, she/her: They're, for a lot of reasons, do not… do not work on the urban parkland, and so now we have a team of urban park rangers. City of Boulder, she/her: There's the Downtown Ambassadors. Be there is an outreach team in Housing and Human Services. There's a dedicated police support, data analytics, and the legal support I want to call on is huge. The Deputy City Attorney is our liaison to this work, again, making sure that everything is done is… City of Boulder, she/her: is constitutional. City of Boulder, she/her: If you go to the next slide. City of Boulder, she/her: The Urban Ranger program is a huge success. That was initially a pilot in the 22 budget, and now it has ongoing funding. We have a ranger supervisor, we have 2-year-round rangers, and then they're supplemented with temporary rangers who work 9 months. City of Boulder, she/her: They do education and outreach across the system. They've done events to activate the skate area under the library. They do coffee with a ranger with other groups. City of Boulder, she/her: They do do safety and enforcement, and they also do event and project safety. So for our, Wildwoods play area, as we were establishing that area, the rangers were often present as we established this new use, as we've done field trips.

[119:10] City of Boulder, she/her: with the local daycare, with the schools they support at the Wednesday Farmers Market, and we just hear really positive returns on the work that they're doing to support and help make sure special events can happen safely downtown. City of Boulder, she/her: With the next slide, we just briefly summarize the process, because we know there's a lot of questions in the community, on both… I'll be clear, and I often start this conversation… I missed that tonight. This is a polarizing topic. It's really hard, because we're trying to balance two tensions. City of Boulder, she/her: Folks who are sleeping outside in our parks are often our most vulnerable community members. Substance abuse. City of Boulder, she/her: Addiction and mental health issues are very high in this population, making them very vulnerable. There are a lot of health issues, and the lifespan of someone who is sleeping outside is significantly lower than other members of our community, and we want to help those folks.

[120:03] City of Boulder, she/her: At the same time, we want all of our public spaces to feel safe for the entire community. We're constantly balancing those two tensions. City of Boulder, she/her: The way that we enforce Boulder's camping ban, we do have a camping ban, it's been on the books for a long time. It does not allow tents in our parks, propane tanks. City of Boulder, she/her: Other acts of daily living or sleeping are not allowed in our parks. And so the way that that is enforced is through a four-step process. First is. City of Boulder, she/her: We receive reports of, rough sleeping across the community, and they're reviewed on a very regular basis, and I'm going to talk about the prioritization in a minute. And the teams prioritize where they'll be enforcing the camping ban. City of Boulder, she/her: Where folks are camping, there's a 72-hour notice posted, and this is to give folks the opportunity to move, to take their belongings to go somewhere else. And this is in line with constitutional protections around illegal search or seizure. City of Boulder, she/her: We, we regularly give folks trash bags, we give folks safe sharps disposals.

[121:03] City of Boulder, she/her: And we engage with folks who are outdoors, trying to connect them to services. All of that happens before actual cleanup day. On cleanup day, folks are asked to move along. They are, again, offered to connect to services, and … City of Boulder, she/her: Case management, sleeping, diversion, which could be connecting folks with their last known safe place, so that might happen in a myriad of ways. I am not an expert in that, and so again, that's an area where, if there's a lot of detailed questions, that would be a housing and human services question. But that's a… all that is happening. It's also supported by the Boulder Police Department. City of Boulder, she/her: After cleanup, there's maintenance. We do a lot of restoration. So, for example, last summer, there was a lot of heavy activity along the southern bank of the creek in the civic area. And so, there was a closure, there was reseeding, and some restoration work to try and restore that habitat in the park condition. City of Boulder, she/her: So that's the four steps to question, you know, on both sides of it, we'll hear questions of how does the process work, and so hopefully that was helpful.

[122:07] City of Boulder, she/her: And then last, just want to show folks how… how prioritized there are not resources to ensure that there is never any sleeping outdoors in Boulder, nor do I think is that necessarily the goal, but if there are reports of violence or crime, that gets heavy prioritization. And that can be the case, especially if City of Boulder, she/her: If a site becomes a magnet and becomes a draw, we do see an increase, unfortunately, in crime and victimization among members of the unhoused community. Life and safety risks. So, if someone sets up and they are in… we see this in underpasses or at the bridges along Boulder Creek, those also get prioritized. We are the number one city for flash flood risk. City of Boulder, she/her: In the state. We sit at the basin of four major drainageways, and so that really is a significant life safety risk. Proximity to schools is a prioritizing factor. Impact on livability, the size, repeat locations, all of those are factored in, and you can see the three areas that are, that are, have the stars that I talked about the most.

[123:07] City of Boulder, she/her: And so, based upon that prioritization and knowing where there is camping, that's how the work is addressed. And so sometimes you might hear in the community, why isn't this being addressed? And it's a tent in the middle of undeveloped Belmont City Park. You can see why that wouldn't be prioritized among City of Boulder, she/her: The… the sites that we might be dealing with. City of Boulder, she/her: I missed a slide. Next slide. I was going to show the goals. I didn't get to that. City of Boulder, she/her: This slide is about the issues we're still having. City of Boulder, she/her: I meant to include a slide showing you some of the current success measures. I will tell you that both from the feedback we're hearing. City of Boulder, she/her: Coupled with the Wildwoods, I'm pointing to Mike, right? He highlighted that area. We know that the number one way to drive positive use at a park is positive activity, and Wildwoods is really helping with that, as is the intention with the entire Civic Area project, that we can reactivate that park and make it a vibrant place that is driving economic vitality, community connection, nature connection.

[124:13] City of Boulder, she/her: … City of Boulder, she/her: But this is from the 2025 strategy that Council just talked about. So one of the strategies is around clear boundaries to prevent rough sleeping, to promote health and safety for everyone in the City of Boulder. And so, these are four prongs of what that might look like. Could look like reimagining what does it look like to engage with folks. Current statistics are it takes a whole lot of touches City of Boulder, she/her: to get someone to engage with services. How could we reimagine that and help with success there to get folks out of sleeping outside? We want to expand dedicated capacity to get folks to return to safe housing. That's what I talked about. If someone's last known safe place, how could we help get them get there, whether it's with a family member, whether it's in a different location? City of Boulder, she/her: We want to continue to communicate clear boundaries on our expectations for behaviors in public spaces. Some of that we're doing through the Civic Area Project, and I can say more about that. But also, we just want to keep building on this safe and managed public spaces model to enforce the camping prohibition with city limits.

[125:16] City of Boulder, she/her: All right, that's the overview. I don't have any more ghost slides. City of Boulder, she/her: Any questions? City of Boulder, she/her: That was a really good overview. What about other stuff besides unhoused populations? And, like, North Boulder Park seems to have these gatherings every once in a while. Summer shenanigans, is what I call that in North Boulder Park. So… Kids riding electric, you know, those powered bikes through it. City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, … did you want to take that with the engagement? Go for it. All I'm going to say about North Boulder Park is I call it summer shenanigans, because without fail now, for 3 summers in a row, the first day that BDSD is out of school. City of Boulder, she/her: We get some young people who are super excited, not sure what to do, and cause a bunch of issues, and there is illegal activity. There's underage drinking, there's fireworks.

[126:05] City of Boulder, she/her: It's dangerous. Pd has been there the last three Thursdays. It tends… this year, it settled down a lot faster than previous years due to, you know, some of the great partnership with the police department. We are coming back to you, I'm not sure exactly which month, to talk about North Boulder Park and the upcoming investments there, and I'll hand it over to Mark to talk about how that might further promote some positive activity. City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, just to the point you phrased, and … we basically sat down and said, when we're doing the placemaking, the design, let's do the space activation. City of Boulder, she/her: Which is what you saw with some of the stuff in Civic. So we've actually engaged the teen population at North Boulder Park in partnership with Growing Up Boulder, where two teen leaders work with a group of 10, and actually in September, that's been into a group of 50 teens meeting to discuss what they'd like to see in the park. So the goal is, instead of City of Boulder, she/her: Sort of stepping back for it, and bringing, you know, sort of a…

[127:01] City of Boulder, she/her: you need the PV side of it sometimes, when you've got the social behavior or illegal behaviors. How do we develop more social behaviors in the park, work with the teens, they take ownership, and hopefully that creates more social behaviors. And, in the presentation, we'll now have a couple of the teens present, actually, their thoughts on the park, and how that can inform the design program. City of Boulder, she/her: So you'll hear from those, those young people at the October meeting, I think is what it's calendar. Yeah. City of Boulder, she/her: How do you think the, … City of Boulder, she/her: In that clutch report, it showed, like… and they wanted an additional, like, $11 to $15 million for those extra services in your last slide. How do you think the city is going to manage that with the budget? Are they going to do anything about it, or…? City of Boulder, she/her: I mean, is SAMS part of that additional money? So, the additional funding, and this is where we're… we're teetering on beyond my expertise, right? So, if there's a lot of interest in this, I'll have to… we'll have to figure out the best way to get you up to vote. But what I… I read all of those materials listed in the City Council conversation, and so I'm going to parrot what I heard my colleagues say.

[128:04] City of Boulder, she/her: The strategy is a roadmap, and now we can work towards funding. You can work with City of Boulder, she/her: Regional partners, that's really… can be a key to additional funding, and we can work towards conversations and identifying additional funding, or as we develop future budgets, trade-offs. If this is really important and a priority, what might we… where might we reduce funding so that there's additional funding available? City of Boulder, she/her: Great. City of Boulder, she/her: Do you have any questions? City of Boulder, she/her: Alright, that was easy. City of Boulder, she/her: Gotcha. City of Boulder, she/her: All right. City of Boulder, she/her: We have… City of Boulder, she/her: I'm on the right month now. August, yes, okay. So now we have matters from the board, new member welcome and onboarding, which we've completed.

[129:03] City of Boulder, she/her: Right? Talked a little bit about it, I think… City of Boulder, she/her: I don't know if you were going to talk about how you do mentorship and support. That was the intent of this item. City of Boulder, she/her: We can. We have mentorships. Yeah, in, like, a more normal year, we would have City of Boulder, she/her: more experience on the board, so we would pair you up with someone who's been around a while, and you'd have, close a relationship with that person this, this, this year, if you have City of Boulder, she/her: You'll reach out to any one of us at any time. Right. …anything like that, yeah, we'd be more than happy to… City of Boulder, she/her: anybody who's looking for any… The other thing I would mention is that we do have, like, focus areas, which we call, call it project liaisons. City of Boulder, she/her: … City of Boulder, she/her: everyone else on the board has been assigned or self-assigned to a project, like, things like the Rec Center, City of Boulder, she/her: Rec Center project in, … Run Boulder Park and Central Park, civic area. So…

[130:04] City of Boulder, she/her: we don't need to force this on you tonight, but, like, at a future meeting, I'll maybe ask for your help not focusing on a particular area, or if there are areas that you're particularly interested in, you should say so. Can we add that to the next matters from the next meeting matters from the board, just so we can take a look at it and… City of Boulder, she/her: I actually wrote a note earlier to follow up, because I think one of… well, I know one of the things that has happened in the last 3 months, while we have been working fast and furiously to develop this work amidst a hiring freeze and amidst peak season, is I think we owe you all some follow-up on the board liaisons. Great. City of Boulder, she/her: Okay, perfect. City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, and those are really the two things. Otherwise, I think we've done all the introductions, and… and she has all the… you have all the packets. Yeah. You'll get a name tag, and another name tag, you'll get a hat, and all the fanny packs. Yeah, I know. City of Boulder, she/her: Excited, I feel welcomed and supported and mentored, so thank you all. Great, okay, great. Three days in. Yeah, I know everything.

[131:01] City of Boulder, she/her: Then we have community culture, the CCRS, tax item on the November 2025 ballot. City of Boulder, she/her: Did we want to talk about that? This is Matters from the board, and you two placed… Yes. I can't remember what. City of Boulder, she/her: Well, there's a bailout measure coming up. You wanted to talk about the board's role in engaging or supporting the measure. I can move to other side. I'm prepared to have that conversation. I can talk about it briefly. City of Boulder, she/her: So, there is a CCRS tax that currently exists that's coming back onto the ballot for an extension. City of Boulder, she/her: maybe on the ballot in November. … City of Boulder, she/her: With that in mind, the money that's going towards that ballot measure will benefit parks. City of Boulder, she/her: So, one of the things that we had talked about is that we want to City of Boulder, she/her: Talk positively about that, and potentially… City of Boulder, she/her: We considered writing a letter signed by the board to go to Council to tell them that

[132:02] City of Boulder, she/her: That particular tax, because it's something that can affect our department. City of Boulder, she/her: … City of Boulder, she/her: we didn't write anything, clearly, so we'll have to talk a little bit more about that. But in the meantime, as we further discuss this, because this is where we're August and September, so ballots will come out November 15th. City of Boulder, she/her: will… in your personal capacity, if you feel the need to look a little bit farther in to see how it can affect the Parks Department, please feel free to do that, and know that, City of Boulder, she/her: you can, in your own personal capacity, always reach out to Council and tell them how you feel about it. Like, I would support it. City of Boulder, she/her: And if there's any further information that you would need about it. City of Boulder, she/her: They can reach out. Is there staff? Is there somebody on staff? Yes, and you can tell us, right, like, how much of our budget comes from CCRS? I can tell you that as soon as it's on the ballot, we can't provide staff opinion on it. We can provide you facts, behind it.

[133:03] City of Boulder, she/her: You're asking how much of our current funding comes from CCRS, so current funding… $54 million, plus or minus a few dollars. $54 million in the entire budget. Over the 6-year CIP, it includes funding for Civic Area Phase 2, the East Boulder Community Center renovation, and Pearl Street Mall. City of Boulder, she/her: So clearly, very important. City of Boulder, she/her: Parks Department is a CSAT, so we would like that ballot measure to pass. City of Boulder, she/her: I don't… I mean, I don't foresee any, … there may be anti-ballot measures coming out for something like this. I have not heard anything about that, but that happens sometimes. So, I mean, best thing would be just to educate yourself on what it is, decide if you think that it's something that should pass, and then City of Boulder, she/her: If you feel obligated as a group, to write the council, we can absolutely do that. If you feel obligated on your personal behalf to do that, please feel free to do so. But no, as Jackson said, that that's $54 million that goes to our budget over the next 6 years, so we really would like that to…

[134:03] City of Boulder, she/her: And how long is the extension that's proposed? City of Boulder, she/her: Perpetuity. Perpetuity, yeah. Can I offer a clear… a point, a process clarification? Council has already approved this and is going to the ballot. So in our community, there's two ways something can go to the ballot. Council can refer an item, or the community can. So Council has already made that positive referral. I thought your conversation was about how you wanted to talk to the community, and if you were going to write something for the paper or other media items. City of Boulder, she/her: I think you're right, and I just… I'm not prepared to… No, that's fine. I just… I wanted to clarify that I, you know, I think… City of Boulder, she/her: certainly after… should it pass, you might want to weigh in with how the dollars are spent. The question before the community now is, do we want to approve this extension? It's an extension of existing tax and in perpetuity. And to build on Jackson's point for awareness. City of Boulder, she/her: We are a council manager form of government, we are the executive branch, ours is to do, and so it is… it would be a violation of our code of conduct

[135:00] City of Boulder, she/her: and ethics to weigh in on the appropriateness of a ballot measure. Like, so if someone were to say, hey, Allie, should I vote for that? As Director of Parks and Recreation, I wouldn't offer comment. If I'm sitting on the sidewalk in my neighborhood, right, that's a different question. What we as city staff can do can answer factual questions, like. City of Boulder, she/her: How much does it currently support? What projects might it support in the future? And so, I think the interest is sometimes, you mentioned there might be groups organized City of Boulder, she/her: against it, we can't advocate for it, and that's where often community partners come alongside and are helpful. So, for example, I would expect that Play is talking about, as our nonprofit partner, how they might support. City of Boulder, she/her: the CCRS conversation. City of Boulder, she/her: Right. So does that mean that you need people, board members, to potentially write City of Boulder, she/her: Or the daily camera or something to, sort of. City of Boulder, she/her: counter any anti… I think that's up to us. Yeah, so we have the opportunity as a group to say, like, we would like to do something like that for the family camera or whomever. You can always do it as an individual. Right. So I guess we could put that point, that question on the board, it's like, would that be something we want to do?

[136:12] City of Boulder, she/her: Well, have we… I'm not familiar enough, have we seen anti… No, not yet. Okay, so I would say we want to react to something that comes out, I would assume, and, you know, explain why… the benefits, like Alan was saying. Or advocate for it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, maybe the conversation, how do they react, and… I guess that's what I mean, like, if we start to see some traction with negative City of Boulder, she/her: … Well, I mean, there's already people who are… people are gonna vote against it. City of Boulder, she/her: There will be people that don't want to extend this tax. It's a long… it's been perpetuity, so some people don't like that. I haven't seen any specific organized group… City of Boulder, she/her: groups get together for that, but not everybody likes this. So the question is just, do we want to do an educational piece for the paper to kind of hopefully grant… Right. Yeah, I see. Have you seen anything like this and impactful before? Has the board written?

[137:06] City of Boulder, she/her: in the daily camera, or done any other types of events? My time was just not that long on the sport. City of Boulder, she/her: We have not… City of Boulder, she/her: spoken up about a valid measure like this. However, in my first year, we did get involved in advocating, well, we got involved in a procedural question about a potential new incident by historic preservation district in Central Park. City of Boulder, she/her: And we, as a board, came to a consensus and then rendered an opinion to City Council that… that they had solicited from us. … City of Boulder, she/her: So, that was, like, that was within the sphere of city government, that was not, like, the public sphere, but, … City of Boulder, she/her: I do think that, like, we… City of Boulder, she/her: The board at that time did a good job of having a thoughtful conversation, came to a consensus opinion, and then were persuasive in why we felt the way we felt, and indeed, the City Council ultimately agreed with us. City of Boulder, she/her: … So, I do think that this, like, could be a valuable use of our time.

[138:06] City of Boulder, she/her: … Why don't we… why don't… let's table it, because even in September, when we come back. City of Boulder, she/her: If we decide to do something then, that still gives us a couple of weeks to get something into… if we wanted to write something. City of Boulder, she/her: Does that sound good? That's fine. That gives everybody some time to think about it. City of Boulder, she/her: And just remember, as we move forward, that we cannot all communicate via email or any other way. Business outside of here as a group, only external. Another process point, because I heard you say earlier that anyone in their individual capacity can say anything to anyone in time, and I just… I want, as a point of onboarding, Caroline, is to speak as a group. City of Boulder, she/her: you all have to agree to something, and ways proports has done that in the past is delegate to two people. You're our committee to write something, and we authorize you to, you know, publish it without us reviewing it, or you could delegate to two people to draft something to bring to your September meeting. That's… that's the way that resolution in 21 was developed. It's the way, I think, the historic district piece was done. Because of

[139:09] City of Boulder, she/her: open meetings requirements and Sunshine's laws, the seven of you can't draft something in between a meeting, right? And so that's typically the way something like that is done, is that folks select two people to be their representatives, and then do the work to either speak on behalf of the board or draft something for the board. City of Boulder, she/her: Thank you. City of Boulder, she/her: Before we say that, does anyone else have any questions about the CCRS tax, or, what we… City of Boulder, she/her: might do here. It expires in 30, right? Correct. Okay. Is it 30 or 32? City of Boulder, she/her: We'll have to double check. And I'm also wrong on my number, so we'll give you the revised number next month. It's closer to $65 million. Okay. It is, like.25 cents, right? That's the… No, there's more to that. You're asking way too many details, we'll… City of Boulder, she/her: Just on a… I want to note one other timeline perspective, is that Election Day is the first Tuesday in November. Ballots are published in the second week of October, I think, and so just from a timing perspective, you might want to consider that.

[140:13] City of Boulder, she/her: Any other questions? City of Boulder, she/her: I mean, with this in mind, do we want to just, since we're all here, appoint two people to consider this? City of Boulder, she/her: Does anybody want to… step up to… honestly, I don't think that Rob and I can write it. City of Boulder, she/her: Because I already got something turned down from BRO because I'm a candidate. I would think we might want to wait until September. Okay. That'll give us 2 weeks to get something written in the paper, then. City of Boulder, she/her: When do we meet in October? Well, we… the ballots come out October 15th. Right, so if we… So you would have to get it in the paper before the ballots come out. Yeah, at or around that time, yeah. City of Boulder, she/her: I don't know. We can wait. I'll just point out, again, process, if you wait until September, you're not only delegating to people, you would be approving them to publish it without your review.

[141:00] City of Boulder, she/her: If you wanted it to publish before the October meeting. City of Boulder, she/her: 22nd line. City of Boulder, she/her: October 20th, so that's, what, 2 weeks after ballots come in? Isn't that the 27th? City of Boulder, she/her: September? No, the October meeting. City of Boulder, she/her: Oh, I'm looking at September. Yeah, the October meeting, I believe, is the 28th. City of Boulder, she/her: Or, you know, the 27th. Yep. City of Boulder, she/her: I mean, so maybe it does make sense to do something now and circulate it around at the September meeting. City of Boulder, she/her: You know, and we don't have to say, okay, we're gonna go forward with it or not. City of Boulder, she/her: But we would have something to look at and decide what we wanted to do with it again. City of Boulder, she/her: Prior to when ballots come in. City of Boulder, she/her: Is there anyone here in this room, on this committee, who feels that we should not extend this tax? City of Boulder, she/her: I don't think we can afford not to. City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah. Okay. Well then, then yeah, I think I agree with Michael, I think it makes sense to… City of Boulder, she/her: To draft something for review.

[142:00] City of Boulder, she/her: you and I can work on it, I just can't write it. I can write a draft or something, and let you look at it. City of Boulder, she/her: you don't even have to be adults. You don't want to. No, I would love to, I just… I've been turned out from the VR because of my current… Well, I think maybe we can have it… it's like, the author will be, like, on behalf of the board. It'll be written by all of us. City of Boulder, she/her: Even if someone drafts it, and others prove it. Okay. City of Boulder, she/her: I mean, I'm sure the Daily Camera knows that you're correct, but… Daily Camera doesn't care. So far, though. It's only so far. Yeah. Michael, do you want to volunteer to be part of that? I can work on it with you if you want to try it. Okay. City of Boulder, she/her: Staff can help with that. Staff's okay. City of Boulder, she/her: I like writing stuff. And if you decide you want to hand it to me instead of throwing it yourself, just let me know. You got it. City of Boulder, she/her: Okay, thanks guys for… Putting up with our… yes, fumbling on that, sorry.

[143:04] City of Boulder, she/her: Okay, and then we have Crab Matters. City of Boulder, she/her: And, … City of Boulder, she/her: Prabh matters, matters from the board. This portion of the meeting is for members of the board to report on PRAB's annual work goals of each member attending two or more parks and recreation-related community activities per month, promoting parks and recreation through social media, attending site tours, and supporting the department's partnership initiatives. What items would board members like to report on at this time? City of Boulder, she/her: Alright, Adamsburg. City of Boulder, she/her: Did you have attended some parks? City of Boulder, she/her: Rocky Mountain Paddleboard was a great experience. City of Boulder, she/her: Got some of their new, little popsicle things. Yeah, it was great. Oh, at the main building. At the main building, yeah. City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, love it. And looking at these fees and getting the watercraft, for my paddleboard. City of Boulder, she/her: I'm in next year. That was awesome. Cool. Great experience. City of Boulder, she/her: I, will speak briefly to play. We are…

[144:04] City of Boulder, she/her: Allie mentioned it earlier, having that golf outing on September 12th. City of Boulder, she/her: It's gonna be very exciting. We are nearly full on, … City of Boulder, she/her: our registrations, I think we have one or two foursomes left available. City of Boulder, she/her: Our fundraising is going really well, and … City of Boulder, she/her: I think we're looking to raise, like. City of Boulder, she/her: something like $25,000 or $30,000, so that's our goal, so that's where we're at. And, they're still our, like, whole sponsor, so if anybody has, I don't know, a law firm, or… City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, maybe you would consider it's, like, $200 to put a little sign there, so feel free to reach out to me if you want to sponsor a poll. City of Boulder, she/her: saying law firms, or whatever. And other than that, we're… City of Boulder, she/her: things are going well. So, please. City of Boulder, she/her: coming along. Tree Trust is going well, Play Pass is going well, and, it's a great organization, which is another thing I should like to talk to you about, because I'm the liaison on the playboard for this board right now, but if you'd be interested in joining that board, we would love to have you all. Yes, absolutely. We can talk about that.

[145:14] City of Boulder, she/her: And I've been to the thing at the park, to the sandbox, a couple of times for all the different community engagements, and it's been fun to see Jeff and Paige and stuff like that, so… City of Boulder, she/her: Anybody else did anything good for parks, or anything? I, did that Park Champions thing with, Wildwood Pop-Up Park. It is really cool, so I've been there about 4 times now. It's about a half an hour. You get nice swag, you get this volunteer razor and stuff, and… City of Boulder, she/her: And, you know, surprisingly, it's, … City of Boulder, she/her: It's… I anticipated that it would be in a difficult place because of its location by the bandshell. City of Boulder, she/her: And that there are a lot of unhoused people around there occasionally. But it's, … every time I've been there, there's about… except for one time, there's at least 3 families there with kids using it, and I normally go around 5 o'clock at night.

[146:11] City of Boulder, she/her: So, you know, playing with sticks, building little forts, and… and, you know, I'd recommend it if anybody's interested in it, because it's… you feel really good, you pick up, you know, not much trash, but you clean… clean the place up and get it ready to be used again, and people are really friendly, even… even, … City of Boulder, she/her: the unhoused people that I've run into are like, you know, what are you doing here? Why are you doing this? And they're really, you know. City of Boulder, she/her: it's nice to communicate or liaise with them, and to see that they appreciate, to some extent, what you're doing, cleaning off the tables and stuff like that. So it's a… it's a great experience. I'd recommend it, and I'm looking forward to doing it again next year if we pop it up again. City of Boulder, she/her: Thanks for volunteering. Yeah, thanks for doing that. That's awesome.

[147:00] City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, I also went to the civic area event. I don't know if that was this month or last month, but… City of Boulder, she/her: Yeah, amazing to see all the community engagement. You can see everyone going around with stickers and, like, voting on the different projects they were interested in. I also just loved, like, overhearing, sort of, like, you know, because people are talking amongst themselves, too, on what they're interested in and what they like, so there was a lot of excitement, I think, around, the different, like, projected, City of Boulder, she/her: new initiatives. And then also, I've been to the Boulder Reservoir a couple times to the Lakeside group. City of Boulder, she/her: Very exciting that it got the liquor license, so I think that's gonna even, like, expand that area. I can see that becoming very popular. City of Boulder, she/her: All right, if there is no other, City of Boulder, she/her: Points of conversation. Our next board meeting is September 29th.

[148:00] City of Boulder, she/her: And… You're returned. City of Boulder, she/her: Thank you, everybody. Thank you. City of Boulder, she/her: Excuse me. Got dinner ready for you. Better!