March 30, 2022 — Housing Advisory Board Regular Meeting

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[0:01] Okay we're good. Great Thank you. Welcome to the march 2022 meeting a bully housing advisory board i'm likely chasing the Chair of the housing a visor E board and we'll start the meeting by. With roll call and call the older so Jonathan Julian. And here. Philip grin our newest member. Terry polos. Danny. Juliet. To everyone. Great. see the same day, I believe, a partner right.

[1:00] Correct great. Okay, so we can go into our agenda i'll review the Well, first of all we're going to welcome to new board members one is already been sworn in, and what is already is. will be a member, as of the April meeting so. Who, I met with this week, as I mentioned before. You want to introduce yourself okay we'll give you a warm welcome. yeah Thank you, my name is Philip overrun actually. And i'm really excited to be on the board i've been interested in having policy issues, for you know five to eight years or so i've been reading and talking and. You know, trying to figure out how to get involved. i've been involved in one thing or another, for the last couple years and i'm just really excited about having a chance to participate here and learn a lot from the Community and listen and to learn.

[2:02] Right and even though I asked you that I managed to mispronounce your name I apologize for that, but welcome. And then Julian ramsey. A student a coffee with day will be an official member of have as of next month, but she's going to listen to me when I say hi Julia. hi everybody i'm doing ramsey i'm like Michael said i'm a senior student i'm in the environmental design program i'd like to go into urban planning and design, I think, and i'm really excited to be here and learn a lot about housing thanks. Great great to have you. So agenda review will be improving our Minutes from November 17 2021 we skipped our December, being in favor of a holiday happy hour, and then we lacked a corms in January, February didn't meet, we did not we're not able to conduct any official business.

[3:03] Oh gosh I think it is not on the agenda, but maybe it is, but we really need to thank Jeff Julian who is concluding. His term it's been a real pleasure to work with you jack you did a lot of hard work, actually created whenever more of our significant. Action steps last year and the mobile ad you recommendation, the Council and I hope you will continue to be involved in housing issues and attending meetings and weigh in as a member of the public, so thank you again when we all get Jacques hand. Thanks Michael and yeah. it's been a great four years and. It was nice to work with you for for portion of that and I am not intending to disappear, I will stay involved with the housing discussions here in town so you'll see me again. Well, and you're still my neighbor and I know where you live so. yeah that's. good to know.

[4:02] So we let's see after you approve the Minutes we'll have some publishers patient and really we have a couple of people waiting waiting to address us during that period Item number six on the agendas matters from Council be reviewing the. East boulder supplement the plan draft, I hope you all had a chance to. Read our board. number seven is matters, what matters from the Board will be get getting an update on the strategic planning effort of the Department of housing and use human services for Monday shorts and Jason. will be discussing the boulder City Council retreat outcomes, I think you all know that the Council focus very heavily on housing. At their retreat in January, and then I have a proposal related the Council that way at this point it's really a notion, I have my head, I want to discuss with everyone. Item see will be middle income next steps.

[5:03] For the information or the new members of the board. Our board retreat. fall and identified middle income thing, increasing the supply of such as a key area of focus for 2022. And then we will further debrief the having equity of symposium that took place on November 10. Next steps and role of the Board of Directors able to attend that or review the recording of that. automated as my mentors from staff i'd have nine debrief with the meeting and calendar check of our upcoming meetings and and we'll try to return by 9pm. So. During the manage do I have a motion to approve the Minutes of November 17 2021. i'll make a motion to approve those minutes. Or did you need a set. I think we need a second. You need a second i'll second thing.

[6:03] can eat I can do so. again. Okay, thank you all in favor of proving the minute I. I. Okay, I think we saw a passing show of hands. And we are ready for public participation, do we have any members of the public who would like to take the three minutes to speak and address the board. hi yes, I would like to can you hear me oh. Yes, yes. amazing i'm going to keep my video off because my internet's not super stable if that's all right with you all. that's Okay, no public doesn't do video anyway. Oh perfect. I mean thing well Hello boulder housing Advisory Board members, my name is grace jimenez and i'm speaking to you this evening, as a resident of boulder. I love living in boulder and I would love to do it myself further in this Community if one or if money were no object.

[7:05] But a lack of affordable housing makes it nearly impossible for myself and people like me to stay here. boulder has the highest median home price on the front range nearly every single family home goes for well over a million dollars over 60% of older residents, myself included, just don't have enough to buy a home here. Even my future salary as an attorney salary that will put me well into the middle class and provide a comfortable life for myself likely won't, allow me to buy a home here. This is to at least in part, I believe, to affect the fact that builders growth rate is capped at 1%. and a lack of accessory dwelling units doesn't help either diversified housing options beyond a single family home is critical to supplement the housing market and meet the increasing demand. Further squeezing the housing market means young adults, like myself, eager to start a career and family in boulder are unable to do so. Massive appreciation of home prices and boulder as an incredible when for those lucky individuals who got here, many years ago, but for those of us young adults who are starting out, it means we're forced to move away.

[8:04] homeownership is the most common way for families to build generational wealth, it certainly what helped my ancestors build wealth in this country is Mexican immigrants. It was a dream of my grandparents and then my parents to own a home in America and they did it for me and my peers homeownership in boulder the city that we love feels like a pipe dream. If you're the things that I love most about boulder a young vibrant city will be lost if it continues on this path. More and more young driven diverse people will continue to leave boulder and search for more affordable housing. In fact, even renting a home and builders becoming much too much of a financial burden for many to the occupancy restrictions. i'll likely have to leave boulder next year for a more affordable place. i've heard the same story from many of my peers as well, young adults in boulder opting for a longer commute but more reasonable housing outside of the city. I see in myself and my peers a deep desire to continue to invest our features in boulder, but I fear, those of us who want to live here will never be able to afford to do so.

[9:01] I don't envy the position you are all in affordable housing and boulder doesn't seem to come with a clean obvious answer. competing demands and interests are are at stake and balancing those is no easy task. I just hope my words put color to the plate of so many young professionals in boulder and helps you understand the Cross cross roads, we find ourselves in because of a lack of affordable housing options in a city that we love. Support for young vibrant diverse folder starts with a foundation built on inclusive housing policies. A diversified housing stock supported by both and increasing growth rate in boulder removal of occupancy restriction and could be the first step towards affordable affordable living for those of us that are older residents in a city that we love, thank you for your time. Thank you grace that was like one comment, I do have two quick questions, one is um What would you consider your peer group and the second is what is your current housing situation. yeah so my peer group i'm in my late 20s i'm actually a law students at the University, and so my peer group is you know many people that are in their late 20s early 30s I would say, starting families.

[10:09] And starting their professional careers and then my living situation I live in a home right now in South boulder I rented a small basement room actually it's interesting I there are multiple bedrooms in this House that. Sit empty, because there are already three of us living in the House, but it's like a five bedroom home so. That definitely speaks to the rent occupancy issue but yeah i'm still just a renter here. Oh yeah and your comments seem to really address that missing middle issue that has really been the focus of this board will continue to be the poses or is that a fair characterization. yeah definitely and I very much appreciate the work that you guys are continuing to do, and in this Community. Thank you, does anybody from the board, have any comment on grace's presentation.

[11:02] Okay, thank you and do we have any additional folks in the public who would like to address the board. Okay, apparently not. So we can go to the interview again grace, we can go to the next item matters from Council. Welcome be hearing a presentation from Kathleen king of planning and development services on the 90% draft of the East boulder subcommittee plan, so please take it away Kathleen. Hello Thank you so much i'm kaplan King from planning and I am joined by my colleague gene gazza. Also, from planning in our engagement specialist on the project, and so we have a presentation i'm going to run through tonight, I will give me a second i'll just.

[12:00] pop that. up on my screen. we're also joined by Eric broughton and he's our. he's our internal. What the plan to. See. Well, I just lost here we go okay. All right, can everyone see the slides. hi i'm getting a. Having some technical difficulties, all of a sudden. yeah i'm seeing a black screen with them. Okay. All right. Let me stop sharing. again. Well, well Kathleen is, can you talk a little bit about where the what's expected tonight have happened the 90% plan, and then the final plan.

[13:05] And the difference, so the way it's characterized on the agenda it's really focused on input tonight, whereas I assume the final recommended plan will be a recommendation from this board Is that correct. Did we lose Kathleen. We might have lost Kathleen I think I can answer, or perhaps she's working to get the Internet counting on that so. While we're calling this that the 90% draft we're thinking that it's pretty close this is our last engagement window to ask Community members for any last revisions. So what this board is saying is very likely very close to the final draft we don't know that we had it on the schedule to be back with this board with the final, so I think.

[14:06] We would love to get your feedback. In terms of to be able to share that with the planning Board and the Council for their review on this. Thank you, so the answer is input, not a recommendation. I think the input from this word can take whatever form the board chooses, I know that we've we had a really positive conversation last fall and we've rounded out a lot of the pieces that I think were raised by Members of this board. Just to be clear, you won't won't be coming back to have for to request a specific recommendation, this is their opportunity to provide input. that's correct thanks Jay. So yeah Michael I think it's up to you guys how you how you want to approach it then, if you want to just provide or, if you want to make a formal recommendation.

[15:05] will talk about it after the presentation. still see a black screen I don't know what's going on. yeah yeah i'm sorry we just tested it before the meeting and then things were working I wonder i'm. not like, hopefully, maybe, maybe, if you turn your camera off it might give it a little Martin now i'm seeing. Okay okay. they're coming. it's. it's going in and out on my end i'm really sorry, let me. yeah Let me turn off my camera, and I might have to have and maybe Jay or gene do a. Share screen. You might consider putting into presentation mode before you share the screen, because I think it's possible that it's creating a new screen when you go presentation mode from here. hey.

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[17:00] Okay, are you seeing slides now. Work excellent. Work her a whoever offered that suggestion Thank you so much. um are you. Okay. And you're seeing the full screen not um you don't see yourself. To full screen. Okay, all right, we got it thanks everybody and i'm you know i'm really excited to be here with you tonight and share the draft East builder subcommittee plan and hear the feedback on the plan. As was mentioned my name is is kaplan king and i'm the project manager for the East folder sub Community plan. team, so the east coast or sub Community plan is only the second plan of this scale that the city has ever done. The last sub. Community plan with the North boulder plan, which was completed in the 90s, we are still working on the implementation of recommendations in North boulder sub Community plan.

[18:04] So things like the north North boulder library and upgrades to North broadway Those are some examples of projects that were included in that plan that we're still working on. So we would expect a similar timeline for implementation of the East boulder plan and anticipate that change in this area will happen gradually, over the next 20 years. subcommittee plans are part of the city suite of tools to help us implement the broad goals of the boulder valley comprehensive plan at the neighborhood level. Once a sub Community plan is adopted, it will help guide changes to development, standards and zoning and inform planning and funding of our capital improvement program for years to come. This projects been going on for three years, so we kicked off the planning process back in 2019 and went through a series of tasks. First, conducting an inventory in and out and analysis to really understand what the existing conditions of the sub community are.

[19:03] And then coming up with ideas for potential changes to the area testing the outcomes of those changes and developing strategies for future implementation today we're nearing completion of the plan and looking for Community feedback to help refine recommendations and complete the project. we've had excellent participation by the Community throughout the process over 23 different engagement events in the opportunities. have taken place over the last three years, the process has also been guided by a working group of 21 Community members. who have met 30 times over the last three years to help shape recommendations of the plan and communicate the project out to the Community. Today we're still hoping to get more feedback on recommendations there's a Community questionnaire on be heard boulder.org that will be available through April 4 for Community members to continue to submit feedback on this plan. So um let's get into the actual plan for those that are new to the project, the East boulder sub community is located in north of arapaho and east of foothills parkway.

[20:10] and include some key Community assets like download city park and boulder Community health but health campus along with a lot of light industrial businesses and some office parks. we've seen some recent change in the area and are charged with this project was to create a plan with the Community to help manage that change and deliver outcomes that are important to boulder. The vision for East boulder is to evolve into a thriving industrial area with interesting places to work live play into business, this will be achieved by integrating diverse housing and retail options into existing industrial areas. New connections enhancements to our current transportation network another mobility improvements will make getting around without a car much easier.

[21:00] we've heard strong support from Community members for 15 minute walkable neighborhoods the plan accomplished accomplishes this with key land use changes that will allow for a better mix of uses, including housing. we've heard some people are concerned about increased traffic congestion, the plan outlines different strategies to manage future demand on roadways nice boulder. And we've heard that the plan should provide details about how all of this will happen, the plan also includes an implementation section or policies projects and programs offer a path to realization of the lens vision over the next several years. So there's four major components of the East builder plan and there's a land use plan it connections plan. A recommendation section outlining those policies programs and projects, I mentioned, and then, finally, the 55th and arapaho station area plan. This document offers more detailed recommendations for one of the key areas of change in each folder i'm going to walk through the different sections of the plan to give you a sense of what can be found and where you might look for some key topics of interest.

[22:10] So we'll start with the land use plan and the recommendations for land use includes changes to the current dbcp land use map. Approximately 250 acres that are currently designated as light industrial are proposed to change to mix use neighborhoods. This modification will bring new opportunities for integrating residential commercial and retail spaces and places with existing sub Community businesses and workplaces. The plan also make some modifications that will better align the bcp landis' map with existing conditions, protecting small business base through Community industrial designations and identifying important natural areas and wetlands with environmental preservation designations. The section of the planet, also looks at each of the proposed areas of change to describe how these areas might evolve in the future and what some key features of each neighborhood might include.

[23:09] One such area is the sun laws around mobile home community, the plan recommends annexation of this site into the city this Community includes 213 homes and approximately 500 people live in the area. The land use map describes a lot of changes to mixed use neighborhoods, but it was really important to many of the Community members in our working group. That we provide additional guidance on what those neighborhoods should include and what they look like the place type section of the plan provides that additional guidance and will help inform any future zoning changes we make to these areas. The next major component is the connections plan so today is builders, an area that over the years has largely been designed for motor vehicles. options to travel by any motive, other than a vehicle or pretty limited dispersed patterns of development have grown up around the car and street.

[24:04] street blocks are typically long in disconnected as land use change and insulin redevelopment bring a greater mix of jobs and housing, the area. The transportation network and the mobility options will evolve to support this transformation. Supporting the network of businesses and new residents that we described include some major recommendations that will contribute to our access in mobility goals. So this section of the plan identifies new connections that are intended to support land uses by improving access into and through these redevelopment areas. Expanding the pedestrian and bicycle network in the sub community and creating opportunities for street activation and vibrancy and evolving neighborhoods. New connections described in the plan will be incorporated into the city's transportation master plan and replace portions of earlier network plans that cover East boulder.

[25:00] Transportation improvements included in the connections plan will be installed by property owners, as part of redevelopment as well as through city projects. Another component of the transportation chapter is what we refer to as system enhancements. So these are transportation network improvements that are recommended for consideration in the next tmp update to improve existing facilities for all modes of travel. enhancements range and scale from completing missing sidewalks to initiating design of the 55th street corridor to incorporate protected bicycle facilities. The last tool in the connections plan section identifies projects for future study. So these are areas that may be located outside areas of changing these boulder that have been identified by Community members through the engagement process. And city staff as potential projects warranting further study for future consideration or investment. So following adoption of the subcommittee plan these projects should really be tracked to determine when and how they're incorporated into future city departments work plans.

[26:08] For example, preliminary preliminary engineering for East arapahoe is a project that see that is initiating this year. Well, the potential for a fast tracks Northwest rail station at 55th street is something we've heard as a desire from our community in which we will continue to examine as rail discussions with our TD proceed. The next piece of the plan outlines recommendations for policies programs and projects. That will help implement each of our plans goals for access and mobility arts and culture design quality and place making housing affordability and diversity. As a resilience and climate commitment and local business so um the recommended policies are described first. And for housing some of the policies to highlight include supporting the development of new housing and strategic locations through land use and zoning updates in East boulder.

[27:04] supporting the development of a diversity of the attached housing types and missing middle types incentivizing the development of affordable housing and supporting mixed use redevelopment to provide future residents with access to local and then in these service services in jobs. The plan also outlines potential programs and projects key steps towards implementation and offer some guidance and prioritization. This tool will be used by city staff to develop future work plans capital improvement planning and develop partnerships throughout the Community, to implement these recommendations. Some key recommendations from the section include creating a forum based code for areas of changing nice boulder to help produce redevelopment that would create a diversity and housing types and forms. And the expansion of the Community benefit program to offer a menu of incentives that would encourage private development to provide low and moderate income, housing, as well as market rate middle income housing options as part of new residential and mixed use projects.

[28:14] So the final final major component of the East builder sub Community plan is the 55th and arapaho stationary a plan, so this is a. Additional document that provides greater detail for recommendations in this area of change. there's a regional mobility have planned for 55th and arapahoe, and this will be served by high quality, high frequency bus rapid transit in the future. As part of the State highway seven brt project, the city has been working on in collaboration with si dot R TD, and our neighboring communities. The stationary plan provides site specific guidance on redevelopment strategies key connections and mobility improvements and the creation of a district to manage parking among other needs in the area.

[29:01] The plan provides guidance on redevelopment strategies, new and enhance connections and similarly offers and implementation matrix to help prioritize projects and realize the vision for this catalytic site. So um I ran through a lot of that. And there's those are really the major components of the plan, but I thought it was valuable to share with this group what some of the anticipated impacts would be on housing in the area. So, based on the recommendations for land use and place types these changes could allow for approximately 5000 homes, we would anticipate about a quarter of those to be affordable. taking a look at how that compares to what we might expect without these changes it's a significant improvement in the number of housing units that the area could offer and the population that could be accommodated. This increases the total number of housing units in the city by 11% and the total number of affordable units by 32%.

[30:06] So i'm right now we're in the middle of our current engagement window on the draft plan and we're collecting feedback from the Community and boards through April for. Fourth, will be sharing that feedback with city council on April 12 and asking for direction on final updates to the plan. Then we're going to work through those changes and finalize the East builder plan, as well as the 55th and arapaho stationary a plan. And then there's a joint public hearings scheduled with planning board and city council on may 3 and then planning Board will consider approval on may 5 and city council on may 10 so both of those bodies must adopt the plan for production. Tonight we have two main questions for hab and you know we saw this group in the fall and really would like to hear from you, you know, have we sort of addressed your feedback and and what we've collected through.

[31:09] All the different events and Community feedback from our 60% draft, are you, seeing that input show up in the plan, or are there, additional changes that we need to make, and then you know if if. You want to get into the specific recommendations or any parts or pieces of the plan it's. great to have your. your thoughts and feedback on edits or revisions or updates, that we should make to finalize this before it goes to planning board and counsel for adoption, so you know, I have the plans up and available, and we can kind of flip through it if, if you want to do it that way. But otherwise really looking forward to folks feedback and thank you for your attention and sorry about the the screen share challenge that I might stop sharing now and we can.

[32:05] go through it, thanks to the new kids. ready to go. let's hear some feedback from the from the board, again I hope you've all read this, in addition to that very good presentation and. You know I think feedback about anything that limited those two questions, anything that jumped out to you, while you were reviewing to yeah. hey thanks for that Kathleen it was great appreciate appreciate the overview and I had a quick question for you on the statistic there have. One quarter of the 5000 new homes your interest, I want to clarify the five those will be 5000 new homes outside of the existing current existing housing stock. it's 5000. Total, and so that would include the 213 homes that are in the song last row mobile home community.

[33:05] As well as I think 70 that are at the veilleux project which is up near the airport and. Maybe around 300 for the water view project. I probably have that info yeah easily accessible, but it includes you know projects under construction as well. So I was just curious when you mentioned. about a quarter of those homes would be affordable, can you. Can you share the breakdown, if you know it, but between rent for rent and for purchase it restricted. Homes yeah that we assume a quarter as affordable because of our 25% requirement for new development so i'm.

[34:05] That it that's the quick math on that and we don't have it, broken down by for rent versus ownership. Thank you, I think that that would be something I don't know if we if there's a way to address that in the plan are the plans, not the place for that, but. I know, for example, for our speaker who joined us earlier one of her concerns is raising a family are moving moving through life stages in the Community and wanting to. be part of the home, but be part of the Community long term and a lot of times and she referenced homeownership people who got more arrived here earlier and have the benefit of being able to access home for purchase, so I think that's. that's something that we've heard, I think our board is her a lot of people are interested in deed restricted homes for purchase not just rental affordable units.

[35:05] And i'll jump in just a little bit in July, I definitely. appreciate your thought and concern. The big challenges that we can't control the market in terms of what gets built of ownership versus rental and as we've talked about before last summer, you know the market has been producing predominantly rental housing, but since the great recession. We got lots of. homeownership when we first started this program back in 2000. And even back then, you know Council was crime rates was concerned that we were getting too much ownership and not enough rental so you know the market shifts back and forth. But the challenge here we've definitely heard that, through the Community engagement, but we don't really have a great tool to require developers to build. And I would just add 25% I think is very conservative, so, if you remember the analysis that we did of.

[36:03] affordable housing production over the past five years we're really actually through preservation and new construction we're getting closer to 36%. of new housing units as permanently affordable so just keep that in mind, but again there's it's it's sort of 25 is sort of easily explained and justified. Thank you. more questions. One question for Kathleen i'm. about the Community benefit program what's an example of an incentive for developers to create more affordable housing. yeah that's a great question and you know Jay and I, and this city attorney's office, I think, have batted around different. Tax incentives different ways to.

[37:00] Get projects through the development review process quicker. And it's it putting together that package or menu of incentives, is going to be really challenging there's certainly a lot of. legal barriers to that, but I think that's a big part of a next step for this project is working our way through what incentives are really possible and what would be. most attractive to private development. To move some of this further along. awesome Thank you. Can I add on to sorry. yeah for sure. The Community benefit ordinance that was passed by Council. couple years ago now, so Julian i'm not sure if you're familiar with it, but basically that applies citywide map, so any new project commercial. or residential they are eligible to request additional heights or development intensity, but, in exchange, they have to provide a higher percentage of permanently affordable units, so they can do that either, providing that on site or providing the cash so.

[38:18] that's sort of the example of the Community benefits, so the city is conferring additional development potential and value to that property and an exchange the Community benefit, we expect in return is is additional affordable housing. more questions. yep. Sorry, I was looking for the raise hand. Thank you for a great presentation I. Am a brand new member of the board, and I haven't read through the entire.

[39:01] plan in detail i've skimmed it and then i'm familiar with it i've skimmed it in the past two. i'm really excited about it on the balance and I don't want to. To bring up a bunch of things that came to mind just because i'm a late comer I just really want to acknowledge that a lot of people have put a lot of thought into this and I don't really want to. The things up, but I, so my questions are really not so much geared towards the key questions that you were hoping for responses for them i'm not sure I have much to say about the difference between the 60% plan the 90% plan. But is it okay for me to just ask kind of like some of the questions that came to mind, as you were presenting is that what this is for. One one question I have is just related to he always if there's any guidance plan related to that at all. And there's no guidance related to HR ways.

[40:04] But. And I don't know if if this is part of your question, there is. A recommendation for the creation of a general improvement district, and this is more transportation oriented but part of that would. help to manage parking. contribute to sort of area beautification and then. We would work to get that improvement district access to things like an eco pass so folks that would live in that area could have an ego pass. Is the expectation that most of these developments will will be under he always. Is that. Is. that the Iranian like. Address by the plan. No, we don't really address Hla ways. Okay. But I i'm super curious about.

[41:02] Why, you asked that question, and is there something about he always that is a positive for a neighborhood or a negative for a neighborhood because that would help me kind of think. I think. I think the reason I asked, it is because, when when people talk about housing destroying the character of boulder. One of the things I think about is like well some of the things that are really interesting about boulder are you know people use the word quirky, for example, that I don't know why that seems to be a buzzword that people like to use to talk about housing in boulder. and I like that I like a diversity of housing and I like people to be able to express themselves, and he always when I go to. You know suburbia and I see houses that are all the same, and that and that every every last detail it's like it's like this voluntary system of micromanaging our neighbors.

[42:01] is implemented it to me it creates you know you talked about place making and. One of the things to me that destroys place making is trying to make everything as sterile and his uniform as possible, and so, for me, he always on the balance. tend to have a negative connotation, for me, and I would love to see the new housing in the new neighborhood to be quirky and to have character and have interesting places to see interesting murals and. Design so that's that's why I bring it up. that's great that's super helpful and I I just would point out to. The arts and culture section of the plan recommends expansion of the neighborhood mural program to this area of the city so that's something that we're working on with our colleagues in in arts and culture. And again.

[43:00] Everything eventually that, so I think the also the recommendation to create form based code. For this I think we'll get it a lot, where you have a lot of what you're talking about Phillip. So the form based code has a lot more flexibility in terms of design and creating interesting spaces and making sure that you know the architecture relates to the pedestrian as opposed to the automobile going down the middle of the street. It doesn't really get into you know there's still a building healthy still going to be managed by a company and you're going to want to you know, keep it clean and. antiseptic but. that's just another thing to keep in mind that's all. Thanks Jay there's some other issues or injuries, but we won't do that right now. But jack has his hand. yeah I. First of all, Philip I appreciate your your kind of concerned with the Hoa and I would imagine that many of these structures so many of the developments that occur out there will buy needs have an Hoa of some sort so that's really relevant to consider how those impact.

[44:15] The kind of sense of community, both positive and negatives, that the thing I was going to ask about is on the Kathleen on the Community on the incentives. And the things. The numbers that are in place here the 5000 or so is that is that an assumption without incentives impacting that number. In other words, or are you saying oh if we provide certain incentives, we may get this much of a booster I would imagine leaving that out, I was just curious if that's kind of in the calculus little. um. No, it does not incorporate like how the incentives might impact we look at.

[45:04] The whole area on a conceptual level and then have modeled out based on recommendations for place types, the different types of building formats and how many units, we might get out of it out of those spaces on a on a parcel by parcel basis so that's. It considers sort of maximum build out under this concept, but I do think we would. want those incentives in order to get some of that, because what we learnt, you know we did a market study, maybe two years ago, and what we learned is. A lot of these spaces and East boulder are operating great and making money today and so there's today no great incentive for a property owner to convert this to.

[46:00] Housing in in East boulder so having those incentives as a way to sort of trigger people to take advantage of that and increase their value. that's really the driving force behind why we would want to incentivize redevelopment that includes housing and affordable housing, in particular in the area. And then you had mentioned. If I heard you correctly, that part of kind of next steps would be to engage somehow with that Community benefit components are their thoughts of. In addition to the Community benefit pieces that we've already put in place recently are their thoughts of other suggestions, particularly for the East for boulder. area sub Community or that just hasn't been discussed yet, but it was. um do you mean outside of the Community benefit Program.

[47:01] outside of the Community benefit Program. yeah so what you know the Community benefit program is is already has this existing structure and we're hoping to build on that and expand it and we haven't recommended in this plan. incentives that would be outside of that program but if that is you know, a recommendation that this board is interested in seeing. We can certainly take that planning board and counsel and get their feedback and thoughts on that as well. But yeah that's that's great, I guess, I was just. I mean the numbers sound pretty good. When we look at you know total number of units that are going to be potential at here and and percentage of the entire housing stock and how that will impact it. And I was just I was curious to see if there had been any consideration and saying Oh, specifically for this area, maybe these are incentives that would that don't exist, how that might be helpful down the road.

[48:11] or offense you know if they'll be a part of it, but it sounds like that hasn't been part of that discussion, yet so maybe something the board could look into if that was. I don't know how getting into the weeds, that is, with with. You know City Council, having already just done this. Community benefit piece, but. Well, you know I know for to do a program that's East East boulder specific I know Jay and I have talked about that in the past and. I don't want to misquote ej but I big you know the the idea that affordable housing is appropriate everywhere in the city, so why would we create a program just for for this part of the city. is part of the thinking behind.

[49:03] Using our existing Community benefit program to create those incentives so that they could apply citywide also. Okay, well, thank you. Did you have your hand up i'm sorry I lost Internet for a second there. I did, to actually. I haven't been to any of these meetings, yet much less participated in one side i'm not sure how many how much to to rattle on or how you know, like how arcane I should get. So someone someone ran me and if i'm if i'm going down a list of things that are super relevant one one thing i'm curious about is you never mentioned the other valley school district.

[50:02] Do do they own property in East boulder, I guess, I mean I know they had the two high schools, a bit further east. But I assume, maybe there's some. Planning and anticipation that they might need schools if there's a bunch of people start moving into that area. yeah so the school district and own some sites that are just outside the boundaries off of arapahoe and so set of arapahoe, but we have shared our projections for new housing and. New population for the area with the school district, to make sure that they can either accommodate or if we need to build a new school, we obviously need to know that so and the feedback that we got from. The school district is that they would be able to accommodate this population with the existing schools and part of that is. Just the the trend and declining.

[51:04] number of students and the city in general. But yes, the school district can accommodate the new housing and Nice boulder so that's good. that concerns me a little bit, because one of the nice things about a 15 minute neighborhood is that. kids can one. And i'm not sure where they would walk to schools from 55th and arapahoe unless they were in high school. yeah. yeah Hello. um there was a presentation to have just last fall by the school district, it was rather sobering. depressing actually. Just the decline. And yeah yeah we can share that information with you to. Think i've. seen it if that's the same same presentation by Alfred at the district accountability. pst I don't know who is to speak, who is the speaker.

[52:00] A Glen see group was the district planner okay. yeah for those who aren't there as I recall, the number of the decline is 1600 students roughly and that's basically during the coven period so time right. And you know that that's a real acceleration from a slow decline of one or 2% here so some of our board members express concern about the housing issue being linked to declining school enrollment that's obviously a very legitimate concern and maybe. Bringing more families into this area is a is a way of addressing that concern in some way or form. yeah it seems like you know if they're going to close fight irons elementary school in the Chicago area or flagstaff neighborhood. That having more families move into East boulder sub Community doesn't really help that but.

[53:07] Well, what we learned from that session was. Again this is from recollection is that the only real sproat of growth in school enrollment is in East county schools. So perhaps bring more students who actually live in boulder would be a positive step and I don't know if that'll save any school it's potentially on the block or not, but. It might be way of reversing the city wide net reversing but addressing the city wide enrollment trend that we're experiencing now. anyone else have any questions or comments I got a few, if not. Okay, thank you all. Again, these were not strictly related to the question to reframe the screen Kathleen but. This this is really about 15 minute neighborhoods I think that's a wonderful goal.

[54:04] And of course the previous subcommittee plan was for Novo, which has had a lot of positive. Many review positive developments, the holly neighborhood the emergence of an arts district would be two examples of that. But when it hasn't done yet is created that 15 minute neighborhood it's not a full service walkable neighborhoods so my question would be, what are your lessons learned from Nova Novo that you might apply to this plan before it goes into its final form. yeah I think that's a great question, I know that a big component of that is. Getting retail in the area and getting the right types of retail in the area, so. One of the recommendations in the plan talks about. cultivating that type of retail and and working with our Community vitality department to really curate some of those uses not just providing space for those types of uses through zoning but really being active and attracting.

[55:12] Certain retailers and specifically grocery retailer so grocery is something we've heard over and over from Community Members in this area that live near the sub community. Is that that's something that is really needed to create a more walkable neighborhood in that area and our our partners in Community vitality have reached out to a number of different. Grocers. Who, you know their responses i'm sure there's there's no other grocery store in the area to compete with, but you don't have the population in East boulder to justify having. That that type of retail and so you know kind of working back and forth on on the balance for that the first thing is providing the type of space and we can do that through zoning but then we really are realizing that we have to play a more active role in.

[56:14] Communicating with and attracting the the types of of retailers that that we're looking for, and then I think the other piece of it is. This plan is pretty strategic in in I think that the mixed use neighborhoods of describing both a horizontal and vertical mix of uses so i'm in North boulder I think there's there's probably larger swaths of area that are. Just residential and in this area we're anticipating a lot more vertical mixed use so residential on top of ground floors that may have. More active uses for retail service isn't and these things like light industrial so really trying to better pair those types of uses is as part of this plan.

[57:13] And would you describe that as a potentially a flat out recruitment effort to find the right retailers that would serve the neighborhood. yeah I think I think that's going to be a major next step is redevelopment occurs is is playing a more active role, and in that. Great and then is interesting looking this plan, again, I felt like I was reading it for the first time after a few months and it's you know it's really well done, the goals are admirable. I really appreciate the fairly thorough section on arts and culture, I think that's a really important part of our Community. I was wondering if, could you quickly review the the part that concerns me it's. His implementation part.

[58:00] So, if you look at like the good outcome of the holiday neighborhood in North boulder you had the city basically own the land and control that which is not the situation in East boulder. So to two things I ask is what is, what are the key points implementation plan for review. And then the second would be in addition to all the wonderful outreach you've done with neighborhoods have you know, done a focus group with property owners to kind of get their input on what would it take to really incentivize them to start. tweaking or even drastically changing some of their land use of Surrey relevant. yeah those are those are great questions I think um yeah This is very different from North boulder and and a big challenge of implementation of this will be. You know I think both assemblage of parcels they there there's not one major large property owner in the area that we can depend on to make these big transformations, we know that they will happen incrementally and over time and so.

[59:12] You know, really, monitoring and keeping track of of how those changes are happening on on this parcel by parcel basis and being able to match those with some capital improvements. To continue to catalyze redevelopment in those areas is going to be really important and and then related to focus groups with property owners, we did do a focus group with property owners for that stationary plan, we had a consultant come in and and. Work with folks in that area, specifically, but then we've had a couple of property owners in the area and property owner representatives in the area on our working group and they've really.

[60:01] been great I think at describing what the challenges are today and why we're not getting the types of redevelopment that we might hope for today and so they've played a big role and kind of tweaking. Some of the language and a lot of the. performance standards and those police types, to help us kind of. turn the key and and get some of that change that we want to see. unlocked and more attractive in the future. Company and, I might add, we also did a session with the boulder Chamber with a lot of the business and property owners in the area and hurt a lot of willingness to for folks to help us again with the next turn when we when we get even more specific, with the zoning information code. Right, we have about 10 minutes left on this agenda item we can certainly spend more times it's a really important one i'd love to hear a couple of things, one is.

[61:08] You know, we haven't exactly answered the questions posed, but if we provide some provided some valuable input that would be a question for gene Kathleen another one is, are we happy with doing input at this point. As opposed to an actual recommendation and which is not kind of playing for the night, but if we pass on that option we still have time, given the schedule, you mentioned to weigh in in a way that will be meaningful a blank word encounter. And yes, I think that you've provided great feedback and the conversation has an. Initial initiated some ideas for for myself at least about some changes that we might talk about with planning board and counsel so that's really helpful.

[62:01] And then yeah you know folks can always reach out to myself if if new ideas come up that you'd like to. have considered for for inclusion or change to the plan you can always reach out to me. Certainly, and then. As we go to planning board and counsel for adoption, I think, maybe that the second part of your question was about a recommendation and. There are no. Timing on that they're probably not ready to do anything anyway, but what you know recently we get that done the next meeting in a way we still have some influence and. When is your next. Meeting J. Fourth, Wednesday of the month. Fourth, Wednesday of the month, so April, the April 27 yeah. Correct right and yeah honestly, the timing on that would would be great to get our recommendation because we will go to planning board and city council with the joint hearing.

[63:12] The following week, so it wouldn't go in there memo necessarily unless have. chose to submit a letter. That we would share the recommendation at that next that joint meeting. Great and I had a question about sandler's are not really related to plan, but. Just an information of the board. There was a New York Times article on Sunday about investors buying mobile home parks and jacking up the rents. They actually use sncc in other. places were. threatened by that kind of scenario. I just want to get that's considered a stable asset, who owns it. Is there any threat to the continuing.

[64:01] occupation of that mobile home park for the people are living there now. And so, yes it's privately owned park and the designation and zoning would be. For it to remain as manufactured housing. Moving forward we've certainly heard back concerned from a lot of the residents in the area. But through you know part of the annexation process is a negotiation, and so we would really. Look, for. Something like. Restricting. Price price raises in pad rents, as part of that annexation negotiation and I don't know Jay if there's other. tools or conversations around that particular project that have come up recently.

[65:02] I just know there's still in conversations or discussions over that annexation agreement, but that would mention that the state is there's less legislation pending that would. CAP rent increases for mobile home parks throughout the state, so I would say that's something to keep track of as well, OK. So the preservation it moves under discussion in case, people are not ignoring it correct yes okay. Great um. Any other comments for input thoughts about whether we leave it at that and wait until April meeting for a recommendation before we potentially move on. Okay, well, thank you Kathleen and Jean and we wish you luck, again I am impressed with the quality of this plan it's really nicely done and gradually on that, and you know to vision, I, I think we can get behind and i'd love to see it.

[66:15] achieved, but we will talk about it again at our next meeting, most anyone has any other comments on the matter at hand. Okay. Good question Michael. I think for Kathleen and Jean it would be. Probably beneficial, it did not have to attend the next meeting, do you think this is something that have can do without their presence or. Well, I assume we'll have another document to view that the hundred percent documented will be looking at 90% again. He 100% document would be completed by that by that week I don't know if it would be completed.

[67:03] In time for. How. much earlier. remind me and Jay when when your packet goes out before meeting. I mean, ideally, a week before but. A week before. Depending on what what your timeline is so I think as soon as you can get it as soon as it's done i'll i'll share it but. Okay. That sounds good. yeah, so I think if you have the final document. Hopefully you know if you do have comments I would strongly encourage you to share those sooner, rather than waiting till the hundred percent. plan right. mm hmm. Yes, please. This might be comfortable to the recommendation, based on whatever we have on paper does anyone have any other feelings about that.

[68:06] So, yes you're free on April 27 gene. gene is not. I will be here. I don't quite understand the subject. To me you're talking and code just a little bit, can you can you just sort of spell out for me what what the question is that you're asking Michael. J was asking whether we needed the planning staff on board when we make a recommendation. No, I mean the I mean even broader than that you're. you're talking about whether we're going to make a recommendation and, but what is that, like a vote where we say we recommend. Yes. So, in your agenda there's a key to action steps. and My dog barking.

[69:00] And input is just what we're doing we're talking about it, the presenters are, I hope that taking notes. And recommendation is an action step we go down, we have to have except, of course, if we go to. Our other city leaders as an official. Thank you, I guess, my comment is we've we've I think we've provided some input and that to me serves as a recommendation that you're talking about unanimously voting on. On the input Michael. As a recommendation. I think input is just what we did we talked about it, we made some observations, I think we made some suggestions. When we make a recommendation, we have to have them, you know motion, we have to have wording it doesn't have to be anonymous it just has to pass to serve as a recommendation from have Is that correct Jay.

[70:08] And I just. heard process, understanding and have is not required to make a recommendation for approval for this type of plan, the only approving bodies are planning board and city council, but I think it certainly goes a long way with planning board and counsel and if have were to recommend. One way or the other. yeah I think it would. behoove us to make a recommendation. Next month it's a really important issue and 11% increase in the housing stock for boulder over time and, certainly, you know we will get to that point. juliet's comment made me think she had the same confusion is made that that recommendation again that's just us saying that we recommend this plan to the city council and planning board.

[71:08] it's not that has nothing to do with us making recommendations to Kathleen and Jane and other right yeah. we're doing input is what we're presenting to Kathleen and gene tonight. yeah nation, as I understand it, and we have made that many wouldn't just be a yes or no, it could be yes we liked this plan with the following, you know changes, which is something we can talk about the next meeting, so it doesn't have to be as cut and dried as yes or no. Okay, thank you. And I apologize, I think I was wanting to merge it up. But just to reiterate the preference would be to not put conditions on your approval next one, because it's going to be very difficult for us for staff to change the plan so if you have but. It would be great to share that in the next couple weeks.

[72:03] yeah. Can we move on to our next agenda item. Can I ask one more clarifying question. Sure Kathleen said that we could reach out to her with ideas and suggestions. which seems lovely I can imagine writing a long email of all these other things I didn't mention perhaps. But. Do as a have as a body, do we make it and puts together as something we would send to Kathleen in the next couple of weeks, I mean, how does How does that work. So if that's too much process questions. that's a good question because we haven't really done that, what do you think okay. yeah I mean so basically your input is just like any member of the Community, so I mean stuff takes it all seriously.

[73:03] But no, you would not be speaking for the full board similarly you know, and someone makes a comment during this discussion like this it doesn't mean that's representing all of have. If all have had you know says yes we think that's a great idea we support that that does carry more weight. But you should definitely feel free to share with what you have with Kathleen and she'll respond in terms of what what she thinks is appropriate to incorporate and what is. That phil. Thank you. yeah and if i'm understanding your question, I think it would be difficult for us to coordinate. outside these meetings, because of sunshine laws and. that's kind of why I asked. Because if some it was it was raised that we can get do input in the next couple weeks, which doesn't really make sense to me unless we're just we're just giving her feedback individuals.

[74:06] And it sounds like that's what we'd be doing. yeah but. i'm the new guy i'm just asking questions. Good no. I like it. Okay, any other questions before we actually go on to the next agenda and we're still pretty much on schedule. I just. kind of related to Phillips question. If you can, if you if you have ideas and you want to send them my way it helps me a lot if you submit those comments to me by April 4 because that's when we're sort of gathering all of the. input that we get from this engagement window and sharing that out to city council. Thanks. Thank you.

[75:01] Before I move on, we had another board member join us Jennifer lubavitch. don't you mentioned, she was had another engagement and couldn't be or the opening but welcome to our. me. Jen. yeah I apologize for being late, thank you. Okay. next item i'm having steep learning it. Is. i'm sorry my packet disappear for a second there that matters from the board item. Item seven part A. we're going to get an update for input on the Department of housing and research strategic planning, we have Wendy shorts at your net for major this year to make my presentation.

[76:09] So i'm going to. share the PowerPoint but Wendy is going to basically leave the show and then i'll also help take notes and also. Help answer any questions that you might have, so I think this is going to be really interesting for the group, because I think it helps. sort of help will help you understand a little bit better what housing and human services does, because it makes you think about our activities or services. And what we hope to accomplish bit differently so with that i'll let Wendy introduce herself and take it away. hello, out of housing Advisory Board members it's great to be here tonight, my name is Wendy sure some of you, I have met before and know and for some of you, I think we're new to Twitter.

[77:04] So I am Services Policy manager in our cities department of housing and human services and i've been working with Jay and some of our other TEAM members on the housing and human services strategic plan and evaluation framework going to present tonight. And so, with that I will kind of well i'm going to back up for a minute and just kind of repeat one thing that Jay said at the beginning, which is we really started these project as a way to better encapsulate is is everybody getting feedback or is that just me. Maybe, or maybe everyone could mute if everyone could mute except for when you that would help. Okay, that is better so whatever was happening, it seemed like that that helps to solve the problem.

[78:06] So we really were looking for a good way to help us refine and encapsulate our work both for our staff and as we communicate with Community partners Community Members, our boards and commissions like you folks. And so that's what we'll be going through tonight is really how do we get to the heart of the matter on what hhs does and what we're hoping the outcomes will be of our efforts in the department and so with that we can go to the next slide. So this is just a brief overview of course have isn't our only advisory group to the department, so we are talking about this, this framework, and these draft ideas with our other boards and commissions that you can see here on the screen next slide.

[79:08] And I think that in this group and in most groups we present this information to there's really a range of expertise. Usually with how much work folks have done on strategic planning and so a lot of people are really familiar with it, and some people are less familiar with it, but really the goal here is. To find the best way to fulfill our mission to have equitable and wise use of our resources and to how a way to evaluate our Community impact next slide please. And the reason that we embarked on this project a why, why do we need a strategic framework for hhs some of you might remember that just a few years ago. In the city structure housing was a division and it was completely separate and in a separate department from our department of human services.

[80:08] And so, when we consolidated into housing and human services, a few years ago, both of those previous separate entities had a set of goals and. A set of plans in place, but one of our goals and doing this project was to really make sure we were knitting those goals of the previous former entities together. and focus on what they mean and and what would it look like if we were succeeding in our goals with the idea that will be informing down the road, a future more formal hhs strategic plan. So the process that we went through to get started on creating this frame framework was really looking at the Cross cutting themes of the human services strategy, which was a document, the former human services department had.

[81:08] Our housing goals and a lot of really consistent feedback we get from the Community from nonprofits we work with. From our partners and we we really call these the what keeps people up at night issues. right and it was really, what are the most common themes, the end the core the root of the issues that people bring up about why they might have a hard time thriving in the city of boulder. And so those two big umbrella areas that we're going to talk about in our framework tonight, one is affordability and one is inclusive city next slide please. This one I don't think I need to go through the whole slide I think this board is probably pretty familiar with a lot of the broader city plans and frameworks that we need to in departments incorporate into any.

[82:08] work we do, and so there's a number of them on this particular slide i'll call out the racial equity plan, those are things that we have to consider when we're putting together a strategic framework for the department next slide please. This is our housing and human services department mission statement. And I won't read the whole thing, but the the first sentence, I think, is is our shorthand that we use for our mission which is we strive for all to thrive and all boulder Community members deserve to thrive. And so that's another grounding point that we used in this process. Next slide please. Internally, a lot we've talked about this as the logic model.

[83:01] Project and that's because the format that we've used for setting up this this strategic framework. is something that again, you know, usually in most groups that we talked to like this, some people are very familiar with a logic model and what it is, and some people are not familiar at all. And so i'll briefly explain this but really it it's an attempt to visually convey the relationship between what we do and how we do it, and the results we want from those those actions so that's a shorthand next slide please. So we have. We have an example and Jay I don't know that just took a little while to come up I guess. A logic model from a more. Individual level problem that we use in a logic model, but that really boils down to what's the problem that needs needs to be solved, and what do we have the ability to influence or change next slide please.

[84:15] And so, so in this more personal problem of like plantar fasciitis or something that I think a lot of a lot of people in boulder with all of our athletes have experienced there's a goal which is i've got this foot problem, and I want to get better to get back to my activities and. there's a long term outcome that of what you want to be able to do and between your goal and your long term outcome and Jay i'm not sure the rest of this, you can go ahead and bring the rest of the logic model up if it's in steps. there's the inputs, what are the resources that you have available to you to try and address the problem, what are the activities So how do you, what do you do with those resources to try and address the problem there's some outputs like, for instance, in this case, it might be.

[85:11] How much time do you spend stretching or doing physical therapy, for instance, and then there's short term outcomes signs that you're getting better and then long term outcomes which are your final goal so we've applied this then to our department work. And what we're starting with here is looking at the affordability. portion of a logic model, and I believe. You you folks also have copies of both the affordability logic model and the inclusive city logic model that were sent to you as part of the meeting materials so it's it's hard to look at stuff like this on the screen, you can also reference those copies. But to walk through what this looked like for our department, I will stop here a minute and say you know when we get input from people.

[86:10] about the things that keep them from thriving in boulder a lot of the input we get really boils down to affordability of things that people need. To to live a decent life in the city and of course i'm sure you can imagine, one of the top things that comes up almost right away for everybody is affordability of housing. But when people talk about other things like you know, access to medical care or transportation there's a route underneath that affordability to. And so that's why we've framed this affordability the strap goal as diverse households can afford to live and thrive in boulder and so similar to our example.

[87:00] Logic model with the problem we have our inputs here what resources does hhs have to put toward problems of affordability in boulder. And I won't read every bullet, but at the end of the day we have staff time funding infrastructure and other types of programs supports like technical assistance. that's those are the resources, the inputs, that we can use to address affordability in boulder we have activities So how do we use those resources. To address the problem, and again I won't read every single bullet and sub bullet here but What this boils down to is either us providing directly providing some services in the Community. or, in other cases, providing funding or support to Community nonprofits or other Community partners in order to provide services and support in a variety of housing and human services areas in community.

[88:07] I think we can go to the next part of the logic model J. Wendy Can we just make sure that there are no questions and want to make sure everybody's. Following along. Oh yeah yeah absolutely. follow this interesting so far. fantastic. Okay, so so when we do those activities that are essentially either providing direct services or private providing funding or support for other people to provide those services in the Community. Then we have a set of of outputs and so i'll just pick an example here the top bullet kind of in the right hand column. One example of an output is the number of rental subsidies that that we distributed in our department.

[89:07] Right, so that works toward toward goals of affordability, but an output is not the same as an outcome and that's because there might be reasons why rental subsidies don't solve the problem for some people um and so, then we go to the next step beyond outputs to outcomes. and That coming up oh there it went okay. um so we've divided. Similar to our example our desired outcomes into short term, so this year and the next couple of years intermediate term which is 2025 through 2027 roughly and then long term 2028 through 2030 and that's because.

[90:06] For most really complex problems in a Community right you're not you're not going to see. change that it equals your ultimate goal overnight right, and so you have to have kind of some benchmarks to look at how you might be making progress in the short term. With the hopes that those those progress to the long term outcomes that you want, and so in this example, the example i'll pull out of these outcomes to highlight. Just the short intermediate and long term, since this is the housing advisory board i'll look about oh three quarters of the way down the outcome columns to where it says, housing and so you can see, in the short term column under housing. Some of the short term outcomes that we would hope for would be increased percentage of homes that are permanently affordable.

[91:04] Reduce percentage of boulder residents who experienced for clothes for closure eviction and increased transition from homelessness housing. And then, if you move over to the next column in the intermediate term under the housing category. We would have the outcomes of reduced percentage of older residents who report housing insecurities significant barrier. Reduce returns to homelessness and reduce percentage of households cost burdened by housing and then, finally, if we go over to the long term outcomes. We have related goals there for reduced homelessness including reduced recurrence and longevity of individual and family homelessness and for more details on what that looks like we reference housing. homeless solutions for boulder county and then increased housing security and that's also in our affordable housing goals so that's that's kind of a high level summary of how we've summarized how the department looks to address.

[92:13] Affordability issues, so this idea of diverse households being able to afford and to live and thrive in boulder. And, and what we would hope for as outcomes in that area and so i'm going to just pause for a minute since we've been talking for a while. and asked if there's comments or questions on affordability before we go through the inclusive at logic model which is similar but on a on a different subject so I see it looks like Jen I thought I saw your hand go up first good to see you again. nice to see you as well, yes, I did have a few questions i'm curious the beginning of this route, a scenario of a person who was a.

[93:05] Typically, a runner who was injured, and what that would look like i'm curious to know what other scenarios, you may have used in the development of this plan, if there were any um what those look like. that's my first question and then in terms of the for the intermediate term here you touch base on reducing the returns to homelessness is this referring to. Our current 25% churn rate for permanent supportive housing. Is that I mean is that is that i'm i'm reading it as that to be the is the case, but maybe you're meeting it to mean something else. So thanks again for those questions so on your first question regarding kind of the the running example, so to speak, we we used that as a.

[94:07] kind of a. Real world regular person not related not related to housing and human services work example just because the thinking was that that's relatable. As a problem in everyday life to people, whereas you know, some people might not be that familiar with, housing and human services work and so when we talked about scenarios that went into. Developing the this logic model we looked at really the the common issues and problems. That. are reported to us by Community Members by our staff by our partners and that comes through a variety of mechanisms that is everything from.

[95:00] program reports to Community meetings to the inputs we've gotten during past strategy projects so is that helpful in answering your first question Jen. Yes, absolutely Thank you. And then your second question about reduced returns to homelessness so what I mean one of the things about. And I should have said this earlier about kind of a high level logic model in this is that it doesn't get as detailed. You know, on this level as something like the homelessness strategy or the homeless solutions for boulder county work, and so we would look for more details in the plans there. This is a high level statement that would apply both to the permanent supportive housing issue that you raised Jen as well as to. To any folks that gain housing and then lose it for different reasons, and so, in some cases that might be folks who were housed in a different.

[96:08] situation than permanent supportive housing, but it's it's an overall more global statement about really hoping that we would have fewer and fewer people returning to homelessness once they've been able to exit does that answer your second question. yeah absolutely I mean I just knew the percentages for PSA and there are multiple types of housing vouchers, but overall, I mean this is. This is referring to somebody who was homeless exited homelessness and then has cycled back as homeless as as a result of loss of housing, overall, regardless of you know what type of housing program they were they were placed with right. Correct Thank you very much.

[97:00] Thank you, and then. It looks like Philip you have a hand up. All right, uh yeah I i'm curious about. The affordability goes to the top is is related to diversity and i'm curious do you try, do you make attempts to measure diversity somehow directly or is that all just sort of implied by the different things that you have listed here. It seems like there'd be ways to talk, talk about actually measuring diversity of populations along different you know characteristics that you might care about. yeah and and that's something and I think we might have a better discussion on this after we go through the increased activity logic model because an interesting kind of conversation that our team, had we were working on these logic models is.

[98:00] When we don't have if we lack diversity in today's in what ways is that issue rooted. In you Jamie. or. In what way is that issue of when we when we lack diversity in the community rooted in affordability versus rooted in other factors that may impact how people feel included in the Community. And so, so that's I guess that's that's a long way of saying that we at this stage of this work on you know in this format, we haven't defined like what are all the subsets or different types of people that you know we might consider in the Community, if we consider diverse. But I think, as we get further down the line, and on you know and eventually have a larger strategy document we might get to that level of detail, without helpful.

[99:17] i'm just going to keep listening for now I don't quite. understand your answer. Okay well how about we try this how about we go through the inclusive any logic model and then let's circle back and and Jay and I can try and give a shot at restating. That work for you. Okay um so, then the next. The next part of our logic model is an inclusive of the goal and our draft goal is where it is all older residents feel safe welcome and included in social civil and economic life, regardless of personal identities or associate economic status or excuse me circumstances.

[100:07] And what I reference when I was speaking and minute ago is. Again we there's a lot of affordability based reasons why. We might not experience sometimes as much diversity in the Community, as we might like but there might be reasons that aren't necessarily rooted in affordability. And so I won't go through the inputs again because they are essentially the same as the other logic model. Activities in this case in terms of things that hhs can do with the resources we have toward the goal of inclusive city. are under the broad categories of public engagement policy and procedure enforcement and adaptation city wide and department equity and inclusion work in Community safety and belonging and then J.

[101:13] Should we go out onto the outputs. So the outputs and i'll just pick a couple of examples here so there's one, for instance at the top on the left hand side, the number of hhs staff participating in or completed racial equity trainings. or on the upper right hand side, the rate of diversity by race, ethnicity gender orientation, age abilities on hhs boards committees and commissions so Those are some of the outputs we might look for from our efforts and then let's go on to our draft outcomes. So again, exactly the same as the last logic model we have short term intermediate term and long term goals and so to pick out a few examples here.

[102:09] under the category of city wide and department equity activities. We would have short term outcomes of increased cultural competency among hhs staff and increase knowledge about inclusive hiring practices performance management among hhs managers and staff. Then in the intermediate outcomes for that same area increase percentage of job postings that allow applicants to demonstrate qualification through lived experience, rather than only through formal education or unpaid work. Increased utilization of inclusive performance management practices among hhs managers and staff. and additional outcomes from the racial equity plan and then long term outcomes a few examples that relate to what I just said, in the short term and intermediate term.

[103:06] For instance, would be increased diversity of personal identities among hhs staff and increase diversities diversity of personal identities of hhs program leadership. So i'll stop there and see if, first of all, it Philip if that helps at all with your previous question to talk about how we're looking at inclusive city and diversity, and then I see that it looks like at least one other board member has a question here. Thank you, this is this is useful, this is kind of, I guess, I was sort of expecting some of this to be on the last slide so it makes sense that this is. Great and. If I could just jump in real quick um yeah That was the big challenge.

[104:01] You know, we were. We tried, we tried to create a single logic model. But recognize that there were just too much going on, so that's why we created the two separate ones. But your question sort of made me think a little bit Philip so an example of the diversity piece, that we can track. And you'll see this next month we're going to review the housing dashboard and in there, we track who lives in affordable housing and in terms of demographics and we compare that to the city wide averages. And it's really interesting so that that tells us that we are does one tool to get increase diversity in boulder is to provide more affordable housing options. Similarly, with school enrollment you know that the school, the number of school aged children and affordable housing prop in homes in boulder.

[105:00] is significantly higher than than older as a whole, so just a couple of examples, but there are others on the services side in terms of how we provide grants who we're serving and being able to track that over time. Those are great examples Jay thanks for chiming in there. Jen. I think you a couple questions. Here under public engagement. and talking about recruiting facilitating and manage advisory boards Commission meeting. You mentioned another section of this, that you will be including lived experience as opposed to higher learning. Requirements So my question to you is public engagement what strides are you taking to encourage people with lived experience to apply.

[106:05] yeah and I think that is when we look at, for instance, a recent recent board and Commission appointments. We really have tried, and this is a work in progress right it's it's not like wow we have these goals and now we're suddenly doing it perfectly for every aspect of this but, for example, really looking at how we can. Change issues like what's what's your first language and is that a barrier to you in contributing to to city decisions, and so, so we just we have a. Member of our human relations Commission now, that is, a Spanish first speaker, and so we really want to make sure that everything about the materials and the meetings.

[107:11] is accessible for people who, in this case, you know, want to be board members or Commission members in the city, but might not have English as their first language. So I think really what our task is going to be in in hhs, and this is, you know, of course, part of the the broader city wide umbrella is thinking about what are. All the types of experiences in voices that we would love to see on our boards and commissions and particularly when there might be reasons why certain perspectives. You know, might be more impacted by one area or one problem, what would be you know what would be the barrier to people with those backgrounds those lived experiences participating and how could we adjust.

[108:11] Our policies or the way we put out information about our boards and commissions, what are the application requirements, I think it is really a process of trying to discover those barriers and see where we can adjust what we're doing to knock some of the barriers down. I last questions if I will up to them. So i'm in trying to determine some ways to remove barriers so that more people can be included in applying for such positions, and I want to share my experience with trying to apply for the housing Advisory Board, for the first time. i'm a relatively connected, a well informed person. Within the city of boulder and it was a literal nightmare for me to just find the application page So my question to you is for somebody that may not necessarily be as well versed with a computer.

[109:11] or lacks stable Internet. How are they going to apply, and also how are they going to know about it because I only found out about it from someone I knew. And so. That leads me to ask are there are there plans to have working groups who actually helped identify some ways to make the current system better. Thank you. Great questions. So just a little bit of a purpose to my answer. Well, the other challenge that we had. With creating the. Logic models for housing and human services is that what do we influence versus not really influence so we really tried to focus on what are what is housing and human services fear.

[110:07] But I but I agree that there are challenges to the boards and commissions recruitment process, and there is a group, and I can put you in touch with Brenda written our. And she is has really taken this on as a challenge to to rethink about how boards and commissions are appointed, and I think the fact that City Council appointed to students here shows that we are making progress. that's not something i've seen in my experience with the city. But as when he said, you know I think it's going to be, unfortunately, a bit of a slow laborious process, but I would definitely want to put you in touch with Brenda. And then the other piece, you know it's not just boards and commissions it's also city staff, you know how do we increase the. Diversity of our own staff and one of the things in this work has really helped me is that every time I post a position now I am extremely careful to be clear that we are it's there isn't an education requirement if you can satisfy the.

[111:16] skills that we're looking for through lived experience through work experience we strongly considered that so it's been a slow shift but i've seen it start to happen at the city and I just wanted to share some more concrete examples. Thank you and i'd appreciate that. introduction, thank you very much. hey Jay one thing you reminded me of what you were talking another example of how we're just. Trying new things in the city to get at some of these issues is that before when the recruitment process was happening, the city wide process for boards and commissions. One thing that the human relations Commission piloted this year was they did before, during the the open application process, they did to.

[112:09] Community like drop in optional meetings for people that was that were basically like hey here's an opportunity to talk about what the human relations Commission is. And they were they were to zoom meetings one was in English and one was in Spanish, and so people, people would did have the opportunity to really. Get online and talk about what what the Board was about and get answers questions questions answered and so that was a new thing we tried, and again I do think that helped us, especially. get some interest from people who, in this case might not have had English as their primary language and I realized that doesn't get to the very real technology issue you just raise Jen but it's just another example of something new, we tried this year to address some of these issues.

[113:13] It looks like Philip do you have another question. Oh you're muted. Sorry, I did such a good job of lowering my hand before. I started talking. And the icons. When when people. criticize boulder for its lack of diversity or its exclusionary policies and whatnot. The kind of there's kind of an elephant in the room that feels like it's not being addressed by this inclusive it go where it talks about all boulder residents feeling safe and welcome and included. Because you know, a huge part of inclusive inclusive, it has to do with people that have been excluded from boulder and and the affordability effects, for you know as one example on on our diversity.

[114:16] And you actually just sort of implicitly alluded to it when you were talking about job applicants, you know. You know what one major group of people that's left out of the statement is people who work in boulder right and often they feel excluded in ways that are really profound and should be addressed, because they can't afford to live here, even though they work here. And that doesn't really encompass all the people who might be in boulders orbit of of influence, but I just thought I had mentioned that I don't know if that's maybe outside the Charter, but he just is allowed to consider but. To just talk about only residents sort of seems to be kind of missing a critical point of the the diversity and inclusion problem that we have in boulder.

[115:10] thanks for that comment Philip I think. i'm not sure exactly that way. So Jay. I was like I need to re revisit the term resident. I think we weren't thinking that you had to reside in boulder I think anyone who participates in our Community, so we need to come up with a better word that's good good. Other we have about two more slides that just really talk about.

[116:01] what's. what's next in our where we've been our process and what's next on, and so our folks ready to just kind of do those final two slides and then any any final questions or. A wrap up comments. Okay, so so these this is sort of where we've been so far with this process we we had a small staff group really work on the first draft. Of this strategic framework in affordability and inclusive city and we went through some vetting with various mechanisms of our housing and human services department staff. And we revised the logic map models based on that input and now we are in the process of talking to groups such as your your your board and and getting input, so that we can make the next round of revisions and then we're going to be looking at, you know how.

[117:10] How what's the best process and the best timing for getting input beyond our own city mechanisms on these ideas about what hhs does and how we do it and and what we're hoping to achieve, and the idea is that at some point. When it's the right time and we have the capacity, then we would be turning this into a bigger strategy and the process that goes with the bigger strategy. Final slide Jay and I think we've we've already talked about some of these questions in our discussion on the logic models tonight, but. These are some things we're we're looking to measure with our boards and commissions and advisory groups what resonates with you and how do you see this as a tool to accomplish.

[118:06] Our mission and educate the public, one thing I really like about this format is I think it's a lot easier than sending somebody a gigantic strategy document, which you know it really is a pretty historic methodology for our city in most cities. And also, do you have any feedback or ideas about how this might be a tool to help accomplish on board and Commission missions so with that i'll stop talking and it looks like Juliet maybe has a comment or question on that. Well Wendy. This is awesome, can I just say like this, this model. is so pleasing to look out for so many reasons, one it's very simple it clearly outlines. from beginning to end what you're seeking to accomplish what tools, you have and what what you want the outcomes to be and what I.

[119:09] really appreciate is all under the outcome section every almost every single one of them looks like a measurable outcome, something that you can actually put numbers to. I i'm guessing that's your intention right because you're you're looking to measure progress through these different as you move through these different periods, and so I think that that is. An enormously helpful tool because why you know why do what you do, or why do what we do, unless we can set goals and based on the resources that we have. and And then measure those goals to see how we've accomplished them, so I think I love this model it's very simple. I love it's that it's measurable and I certainly think The other thing that i'll comment on is, if you get stuck or lost.

[120:06] In in what you're doing you can always come back to this model and redirect yourself and say okay here's what we're doing does it align with what we've set out. to accomplish it, you can always come back and say oh does this align and I think that's really helpful too because it's easy to go down rabbit holes it's easy to go off on tangents, and this is aware of of re centering purpose and work, so I am a huge fan. And so I say faq. And I love love to see this tested and piloted and. applied elsewhere. protesting. thanks for your comments. Juliet and you reminded me of something else that we've really talked about in developing this framework, which is that. As you might imagine right a lot of people will come across ideas or programs that they would like the city to implement or that they would like hhs to implement.

[121:10] And it is helpful to to get back to a point, you just raised, to be able to kind of go back to what are our goals, what are we trying to achieve. And does this idea that's just come up does that seem to match those things, and if not, then we probably need to have a bigger discussion of Oh, are we changing what hhs does now so that's I think another really helpful aspect. we're free back and put. I guess, I wanted to say thank you. for putting this together i'm sure it. was quite timely and presenting tonight.

[122:01] Thanks Jen always always good to see you. Both did you have something else to it and gentlemen jack. yeah just just a kind of a follow up. To what Juliet was saying, I also really love to measure things into to have objectives that you can sort of you know, see your progress, but I also just just kind of throw this out there. I also love qualitative measurements and anecdotal evidence and you might just consider like having. A way to gather short stories or anecdotes that that fit into some of the different categories of the things that you're trying to measure, just so that. Because it adds some kind of texture to what it is that you're trying to accomplish and so, and I think having those those kinds of things can ground you in what is the meaning of.

[123:02] This bump in 5% or or you know this this trajectory that we're on or whatever so anyway, I just thought i'd add that as as something you might also considered adding to the model. You know that's a that's a great point Philip and I think that also really aligns with our city's racial equity strategy and some of the I think. Some of the comments that we've heard as as that's been developed, which is you know. You can't always depend on just a set of numbers, when you're measuring things, so I think that's a great comment. Thank you and jack. yeah. I just wanted to add really briefly Wendy I think. This is a great improvement over the long documents that one's used to reading it's super useful for me to be able to look at it in this manner, and I think it's really helpful and.

[124:04] I, I want to also reiterate. or kind of backup both of Philips points that he made, especially the one about residents, because our Community is a lot more than just its residents. And that is becoming more and more kind of critical in some ways, as time goes on, with the House and things, so I think that's that's something that Jay you, you know alluded to looking at that, but I think that's really critical. You know. A lot of my community in boulder are not residence but they're contributing members to our society and to our to our communities so that's just a huge piece for me to to consider this but it's it's great as a document and kind of the functionality of it's awesome so thank you. Thanks shop. In Japan, did you have another thing to add is your name still up.

[125:03] Now I apologize. Okay. Great well, I certainly agree with. The comments made by the board about the usefulness of this and the simplicity, thank you for presenting does anyone have any additional feedback. Before we keep going with our agenda. Okay, well, thank you again Wendy and Jay really strong work. Thank you very much for having me at your meeting tonight. Thanks Wendy. Thank you. Okay, thanks everybody i'm to item be. This is discuss release review the boulder city county City Council retreat outcomes to the Jews note in January and.

[126:00] Just a quick review. They were as counsel came up with a top 10 priorities. These to this group or that by activism, in the age of. seven of them are directly related to housing, which I think is great news for the relevance and potential influence of this board i'll just go through the list at us list and middle income down payment Program. Which is. approved by the boulder by voters and is actually been launched something to keep an eye on the area three planning reserve relates to 500 acres. The city could potentially annex and potential area to do. A lot more middle income. Missing middle housing. With many steps in between, to make that happen, but is on the agenda, completion of the transit village, this goes back 15 years and after the adoption of a transit village area plan, this is the area around 30th and Pearl it's partly developed and there's still a lot.

[127:11] A lot of room for additional housing there and there's certainly potential to I guess resuscitate actual transit transit village, the notion of a day, shelter and to supplement overnight shelter services and as it's been mentioned in this meeting T limits. which the voltage rejected ballot measure 300 bedroom for people last fall, but that is still very much a live issue. exclusionary housing we've discussed it some link that's, of course, another potential missing middle. leverage and density in parking. Somewhat certainly discussed in the east arapaho plan we just reviewed, how do you.

[128:07] Provide parking you know, without. Allowing that parking to suck up all the land that could be available for having there were some really good ideas in the plan related to that so. I think this is just kind of a general review in discussion item that for an action step, but it certainly relates to our mission and i'd love to hear thoughts from board members on. Various priorities and how they might relate to our work and then, I have a proposal that is related to the council's work that can discuss once we've had some discussion. Ask a quick question. You seem to be reading that off of a list, do you have a link handy that I could read off the same. list it's um I could email it to you it's not a link. Okay yeah these are notes that you've taken.

[129:02] know they were taken by a Council member Bobby eights. And I think they're pretty impartial I did a good job of reporting reporting out. Irrespective of ISM point of view and those issues. But. it's more than the list there's discussion of the issues in his memory happened in Florida. I wasn't writing them down as he went so. yeah yeah sorry I probably should have sent that to you soon we sent you now. Okay, thank. You while i'm doing that the discussion certainly begin any any thoughts. or reactions to what you've heard about or read about related to the Council retreat.

[130:04] Have a question. Sure yeah. So are we supposed to only be focusing on the portion that they spoke about at the retreat mean i'm guessing that's our focus, but just curious if you're open to commentary on other items that move forward on the agenda. Okay question June. Well, I think that. I thought that he was asked if any of us had comments on items that move forward on the City Council retreat. mm hmm and i'm asking is that limited to the US that move forward or is that comments regarding anything that move forward on the retreat. anything.

[131:04] Maybe we've identified around parodies a lot of them are addressed. within several of those priorities, but I think it's an open discussion. And I think the remarkable thing is that this Council retreat seven other 10 top priorities are directly related to housing. Right shows that the conversation has really shifted in the city, I mean it's also shifted the state, and also at the federal level. So I think what michaels getting at is this is probably the big opportunity for the housing Advisory Board to really have potentially have an impact on this issue in a city, and so this is our chance to really. figure out what does that look like. yeah I think I put that out as a lot to bite off. You know, we could just have some discussion about other any of these particular we'd like to focus on in the next few meetings.

[132:08] at us, for example, the planning reserve, which is a big long term project to transit village. exclusionary housing. Is your. goal Michael to come up with more plan. Is this discussion a means to come up with a work plan for the year is that. You know. Why you're prompting us or. I guess I wasn't prepared. To discuss the list that you just mentioned has I haven't looked at in advance and I. you're not ready to. really talk about it so i'm guess i'm feeling a little caught off guard here. With with that request and it sounds like you have something you've been thinking a lot about because it says chairs proposal on the agenda so. Maybe you want to share with us what you're thinking and maybe share the list and we could.

[133:04] yeah take some time independently and how does it relate to the word planet Those are all my. way through my head right now. Okay. Well, I think, thank you, I agree with you. You know I think we're trying to catch up after a little break here, and I do believe that several those items do relate to what we're playing we've already established. It might be useful to think about how to prioritize that and what which is you, we would like to focus on next how we'd like to focus on. I think it would be very reasonable to table that. until the next meeting for a more robust discussion is that one is trying to catch up, as we haven't had an official meeting in a little while so. That, as I wouldn't feel about that taking it that way to having more time to prepare to discuss this is important stuff but there's a lot of it, and maybe we need to be thinking through and prepare for it a little bit more than we have tonight.

[134:11] Maybe we can apply that new model. To the to this conversation. Or the models that Wendy brought up. What was it called the logic model. Logic model. yeah interesting. job. yeah I was just gonna. You know I think it's great that we're as Julia is kind of getting out like where where's the board going to go with, as we know, we always have limited time and. it's filled kind of got a sense of today when it's like. Oh, are we going to have time to get anything put together before Council looks at this at the next stage, so I had a question J for you. Is there any sense out of Council, yet what they come to us about.

[135:03] You know which of these topics is there anything that that's like going to be put on our plate that we know, I mean i'm stepping out the door so it's not we it's you but i'm just curious if there's been any of that. Discussion or. I mean I don't licenses everything. that's housing related. is going to come before you. But it just a little bit of context to that discussion at Council For those of you weren't listening to the two days of discussions and deliberations. So staff was really clear that we don't have capacity for all of these priorities. And those 10 priorities I mean they there's that's that's probably like five years worth of work minimum. And a huge burden on planning and development services and housing and human services who are woefully both woefully understaffed right now, so what.

[136:08] Our interim planning director made clear what what Kurt Fernando been made clear to Council is that a lot of these initiatives aren't even going to be able to get off the ground, until the fall at the earliest, we need to get back up to an appropriate staffing level. And that's been proven to be extremely challenging or even our human resources department is woefully understaffed and so that's making it even more challenging to get staff hired in the different departments anyway. So just a little bit of context, but everything will go before have but it's just a matter of time and then I can go into more detail about individual projects and their timeframe and what has potential. role will be some things will are much farther out in the future, like the planning reserve, or even T about phase two the trends village.

[137:02] Those things are going to be years long and they're going to require consultants and. take a long time, I think my senses. You know the focus, you should continue on your focus middle income is what you guys decided last fall. At us will hopefully start up in the fall as well and we'll make sure we bring shock back for that. yeah that Just to give you a sense of. bit of the context. We came here another coming. yeah. So I wasn't I wasn't sure if you if if we had kind of shut down discussion about. about the outcomes of the retreat because of juliet's concern about you know, like are we what's what's The goal of the discussion. I guess, I would, I would just push back on that just a little bit and just say that I love the opportunity to just kind of open open up for.

[138:08] You know what are your thoughts about all the things that came out of that retreat so, for my part I i'd love to just sort of kick around ideas that feel salient to me from the list that you sent Of course I have in front of me now so maybe I have an advantage there. But anyways I i'd love to discuss a couple of the things that that that you mentioned, but. Great. i'd say take it away. yeah so. Two of the things that. kind of really stand up for me one is related to the. occupancy and I sort of recognize that city council seems excited to are willing to pick this up and run with it and I don't necessarily see us having a role on that in terms of work, we need to do.

[139:00] i'm happy to weigh in, but I just but I did want to just mention it to say that. I was part of the bedrooms are for people campaign or worked really hard to help get it passed and I collected petitions and. I know Julian was I don't mean to speak for you, but I know Julian was also involved, she was an intern with us, and it really hurt to to see that not pass one of the things that I often observe is that people who seem to be against that measure. kind of frame frame the issue as if. occupancy reform had been passed 20 years ago and had already ruined the city. And I think a kind of a more salient narrative about boulder is that we have a huge vacancy problem. We have a lot of houses that have that are very large that have one or two people in them. And we can't really even start imagining how to use that housing more efficiently, or more inclusively because it's not even legal to to you know set those houses up in a way, where the rooms, could be used, like the like the woman who spoke earlier at the public forum.

[140:14] So anyways I just. I just wanted to make that comment that i'm glad that city council is is picking that up, I hope that we can learn to not normalized vacancy as the normal way that people live their lives in very large houses, it seems kind of like a. symptom of our society, in the end the disparities that we see. So that's all I had to say about occupancy. But I haven't I have another comment about another issue, I don't know if anyone else, want to say something about like. The Council priority issues. yeah I have a comment on another please. Thanks yeah.

[141:00] So. The last one that was mentioned is related to density and parking and. One of the things I would like to say about this is that you know when I think about parking I think about. Well, when when people say they don't like density or there they have anxiety about increase density. it's often related to cars and thinking about being stuck in traffic and not being able to get anywhere and feeling like you're choking on other people's exhaust and I think that's a super valid concern. For my part, I think we have enough cars in boulder we have too many cars in boulder. and When I think about density and I mentioned this to you, Michael when we were visiting, but when I think about density in boulder are we have this very strong intuitions that. increase density will increase traffic and increase the number of cars and that's a good intuition, to have because, like that's kind of true to what we see in boulder.

[142:07] And i'd like us to start thinking about like how if we could have the population go up and the number of cars go down. How much more beautiful boulder could be in terms of walkability in terms of less asphalt less parking you know what super wide streets, and so I love the fact that density and parking here is a is a bullet. In their in their outcomes of things they want to focus on. that's just commentary. Good commentary, I know that is on your last point, I think that's what the East arapaho plan is is getting at. You know let's have more people in fewer cars and more walkability there's almost intrinsic to the idea of a 15 minute neighborhood certainly aspirational.

[143:02] it's a it's a it's a big ask type of goal, but I guess it's the type of thing we need to be aspiring to and. i'm sorry, now that I introduced I maybe I can be a little clearer about it, I don't think we need to take action is nice, but it is useful to have a discussion about which of those seven points relate to our reclaiming. Maybe we can frame next month's meeting around that and i'll give you my own reaction when I reviewed the Council retreat and that is, we have a Council now that is pretty savvy about housing issues and. I think there certainly is described them as pro affordable housing. In a sense it puts us in a position of advising a group of folks who. Are have already identified the issues a lot of the key issues and we can certainly add to them.

[144:00] So what is our role, I had coffee with our mayor Erin Brockovich about a month ago to ask them that question, and he said he brought up issue that jds that languages that there's huge capacity issue among staff and elected officials appointed officials like planning board. You can you can have all the great ideas you want, but getting them implemented. You know there's just not enough time in the day necessarily so Aaron seem to think that could actually be a role for hub of providing some technical advice to move. A particular issue forward. He gave the example of at us like what kind of tweaks could be made to a new policy that would allow for the production of more ad use. A certain niche I got that taking the lead on the mobile ad discussion we had last year, so I thought that was a pretty useful idea that's going to need a lot of teasing out when you think about our role, you know.

[145:10] We don't we don't know I don't think we need to tell them so much what the focus on more like, how can we help you. get it done so that is not an actual proposal is the notion of putting out there for further discussion see how people feel about that as a role for hab and how we might accomplish that one issue at a time not not a blanket for all these myriad and complex issues but. How can we be of service in that regard and. I think Council would actually get a lot of benefit from us in doing that, and if we did it well, we can help make the types of changes, we would like to see happen. So, like to hear some reaction to that thought I don't think it's a big. sea change in what we do. But maybe more of a focusing.

[146:04] Logic model would help in that regard or not, but certainly intriguing idea. john. yeah I just you know again it's it's weird speaking when i'm on my way out the door here but. You know I do think that what you discussed with Aaron I think I think there's there's kind of two pieces to that and I, you know I guess. i'm kind of reflecting on the on the time i've had on the board and what you know kind of how the Boards developed and how we've interacted with counsel or not and. You know, I think that. Moving forward I think would be great.

[147:00] To see the board take up more of that role of kind of technical advice and. The one cautionary piece, I have about that, though, is you know, also to have the board, you know, which is something i've always advocated for. Be more kind of the tip of the spear a little bit and it's great the Council comes up with you know, there are seven items here they're all related to housing it's a ton of stuff on the plate. But I think there's also things that we as board or you guys as a board moving forward might consider that are outside of this realm also and it's always a difficulty with the number of people on the Board and the amount of time and energy that's required for it. But one of the big pieces that falls under the how to get it done, especially I think what we talked about middle income, housing and just affordable doors.

[148:02] Are the funding mechanisms, you know so there's just one thing that I always keep coming back to it hounding with the affordable housing in boulder inches it's all great I think that our funding mechanisms are. Significantly flawed in the sense that so much of that funding comes through growth itself. And so we're saying oh let's grow more to get more funding for growth, for you know, affordable housing, but you know so anyway, I really liked the thought of textbook of at us. dinner just got delivered, so I really liked the you know the piece of the US it's coming up it's on his plate, you know my little piece of the mobile ad us was it just a slice of things that could be done. But I only dared cut off one little slice and you know, there will be other pieces to that and definitely, I think, from my perspective, that's a great place for the board going forward to put a little bit more energy and helping Council sort that out.

[149:09] And the middle income piece also. My take kind of just to be riffing on it on the occupancy limits, I was also sad, not to see that pass, but in a sense, I feel like this is even a more appropriate venue for to be managed and dealt with. than, then the way that it kind of got played out. As a ballot initiative, so you know if that's something that comes up again, you know a great place for the for the board to get involved, so those are kind of my. My places of interest on this and then with the funding piece as something that you know. We could do a lot better with our affordable housing goals if we had better funding mechanisms so. Those are kind of my pieces but.

[150:01] Thanks shot, I agree that. You know, we should be looking to push innovative ideas. breaking the deadlock on key issues like finance, but we've also had the discussion, especially in our retreat that. You know, we can only do so much and what can we focus on what will be most effective, I agree with that point of view and. You know i'd be happy to grapple with those seven over the next nine months, and if we could think of something to say about any one of them are more than one of them and move things forward that would be an accomplishment. But I appreciate your perspective. The T Jen do you have your hand up. A. couple questions. So we're talking about ideas are we limited to to to speaking about at us with pads.

[151:02] As me, and I know that's what we move forward as our priority to City Council now that's that that's my first question, or are we open saying other types of at us without pads what what does that look like. yeah question. Definitely, the latter. We want to talk about ways to expand the availability of a use. Throughout throughout the city or at least discuss that issue and counsel is least from errands perspective looking for help on ways of making that happen. Specifically, in terms of tweaking regulations. You know there's still a lot of areas where a user quite restricted, for example. Correct Okay, then my second question is is. fairly forgive me if these conversations have already had you know, taking place.

[152:01] seems to me that we're in a situation where we have very. unique. building codes ordinances what whatever you want to call them. And that we can only we cannot build in and percentage of open space point i'm getting at is is we're running out of room to build. And so i'd like to see conversations about how we can use existing spaces to maximize housing outcomes and for me that would be looking at more sro type housing or that I mean that's hard language, but you know micro efficiency type of apartments. For people um because it's my opinion, if we don't start looking at alternatives whenever we're going to make a dent any of this. Thank you justin comment, and thank you again i'll reference the East arapaho plan I think it's got some wonderful aspirations.

[153:08] In that regard, if you look at that just strictly from the land use perspective it's a low density inefficient. land use and it's most a lot of it a single use in that plan is striving to create a complex dense dense or walkable mixed use Community so instead of. Having the point of view of god's word built out there's nowhere to build it's more like hey we actually have some areas that are totally built that could be identified and you know Easter happened Oh, is going to be a very interesting test case for that and that I agree with you. Also, about you know the the usefulness of sro was in. Micro housing and a lot of people point to the decline of the sro is a housing type is major contributing factor of the increase in house people, especially in cities like San Francisco.

[154:02] So I think that's you know not not a missing middle issue but it's certainly an important one worth discussing. Right, but I mean I think if we're looking at my favorite things about Community development is asset based community development or. You know what this this approach, take things as is right now and and instead of saying, these are all the things that are wrong. These are all the things all the odds, we have stacked against us, it takes everything that's already in place and uses foundation to make things better. And so, as i'm looking around the city of boulder i'm also cognizant of the fact that we can't have buildings higher than three stories. We can't build and and so much percentage of the open space and surround surrounds us and i'm saying to myself we've got an increasing homeless population, this is a national a national issue.

[155:09] Real world problem in boulder we also have since 2015 at well over 50%. Here that couldn't afford to live here itself we don't start getting creative and maximizing the spaces, that we have, we will never make a dent in this, and so that or I am looking forward to having conversations about creative ways. To maximize housing outcomes, with some of the very existing spaces, we have in this room, thank you. Thank you. And I think we're agreeing with each other on this. Again, I feel like Easter apo is a wonderful test case for transforming underused land to a place where more people can live and work in a walkable. Setting and maybe we should be looking for other opportunities to create folks like that, although it is part of a process it subcommittee plans get done, one of the time in that that often but you know.

[156:12] it's a good example of what joshua said about pushing it being a tip of the spear and so forth. You know these are huge issues we shouldn't hold back, but at the same time, we have to keep it degree of focus if we're going to get anything done without scattering our resources. fill up the devil no comment. I sort of lost my train of thought on what I was going to say I was appreciated what Jen said about efficient use of the land and it makes me think of something else i'd like to talk about, but maybe i'll bring that up another time. That the. comment I wanted to make.

[157:02] yeah no I think i'll just pass I can't I can't quite pull it together what I wanted to say and. i've been talking a lot tonight so. and So i'm going to propose that we. make a separate agenda item for our next meeting to discuss these retreat outcomes that greater length and they're really important. All seven points really important, and also the Council is identify them as their priorities, so is clear the window for us to be influential and I heard from several people they'd like more time to think it through. I could see us. prioritizing which of those relate to our work plan and how we'd like to address them was could be some outcomes from that discussion. How to folks feel about that, and if you're in agreement, we could possibly move on with our agenda.

[158:20] hello, if you were looking at I don't know if you're looking at the screen, but a bunch of escape thumbs up. No okay yeah I was looking at the agenda, so it was not okay great I will also, I think the next item. About missing middle income next steps can be. addressed. In that discussion. Next month. If your grade, we can move on to the. house he having accurate it's imposing item D now look and see if people give me thumbs up. So sometimes so okay yeah great.

[159:01] The having equity forum took place on November 10 seems like a long time ago. It was a really great to me, mainly an informational session a lot of it was about the the history of racist policies and taping housing issues in boulder. It was sold out not as well attended in person, I think people were feeling cautious about a covert at that time may have been very well attended via zoom. There were some really great presenters including that headed the city council of minneapolis a city that is really made a major overhaul of their zoning regulations related to housing. Just love to hear from anyone who has thought about that and had consideration of how.

[160:01] How we might consider what was presented as part of the work, our board does. build to get your hand up. yeah I went to that symposium and thought it was just really excellent and it's encouraging to me to hear her you know people in the Community who have some some say talking about these things and ways that that really. are meaningful and productive I am I also you know, one of the books that came up is called the color of law, which I know has been talked about in various the, for example, the planning board every member of the planning board read that book a year or two ago and. I think. it's it's really important to acknowledge that. We we come out of a kind of a white supremacist racist history in in many of our cities minneapolis is a city I grew up in and I learned that the House that my parents bought in 1960 was part of a whites only VI va loan Program.

[161:20] Through the G the GI bill and it's sort of like no wonder when I came along, and was was going to school in the 80s, that it was a nearly all white suburb that I grew up in. And I know some of those same dynamics are at play here in boulder based on that symposium and based on things that i've read, and you know if we if we care about our neighbors and we care about diversity, then we really have to make these connections between. The the the centuries and the decades that have gone before. Someone mentioned to me that.

[162:00] That. Vietnam that September 11 is my generations, Vietnam, in the sense that. The people that have have grown up since September 11 don't don't know about it, but all the older adults around them know about it right, and so, when I when I was growing up, I was born after Vietnam was was kind of wound down. And I was surrounded by adults who all understood what Vietnam is about and. Thinking about we like to we like to imagine that history is progressing and that we're we're distancing ourselves from from history but, but the truth is, is that my birth year is much closer to the end of World War Two, then the current year and. I can tell that i'm rambling and I should probably wrap this up, but you know that the policies that went into place in the. The the art and the teens and 20s 30s 40s all these things that happened that are described in the color of law all are relevant to the situation that we see now here in boulder.

[163:13] and yeah I just want to affirm what what those folks were trying to do at that symposium and we need to amplify their voices and be educating people about. You know what why why why things are the way they are it's not it's not. All confusing and ambiguous is there's like really good historical reasons for why we're in the situation that we're in understanding that is like step one and trying to unravel some of that. Well, I think those are a good symposium and that was more. informational. rather than looking at solutions, but you know you got to get the information first right I.

[164:06] am curious. This how you determine this. Whether this message has reached a saturation point, like everyone who's willing to listen to it is already heard it, which is not to say that it should be set aside, but I wonder. Like, how do you persuade people that this is really important, and it's something that actually happened and continues to. influence our having choices today because I think every action has a reaction and there are folks who say. hey that was yesterday i'm not a racist and you know we've moved on, but I personally don't think that's true at all, but I think there is a. That sentiment exists in our Community, and I do wonder how you communicate this message to folks that you know haven't been willing to listen, so far, especially if they're folks who vote and can influence policy is to change the situation.

[165:21] john. yeah Michael I just it just kind of a quick response, I think that you know you're concerned about saturation, so to speak, I think. The way to keep the conversation is just to start stepping into the solutions you know and and talking about it through the solutions of problems that we have today. And that it can stay alive and then conversation without just being consistent drumbeat of the same same information coming into people, and I think that's how people also see. Who don't necessarily relate to it that's what gives them an avenue to start to relate to it when they see how it's actually impacting the thing, so, as you said, the information is great, but then.

[166:05] starting to translate that and I think jen's comment about kind of land use and how we're using the land, we have. You know ties directly into that right or our zoning is currently and how that's been impacted by our historic condition and our clear of you know, resistance to change in that space so. I think that's the way to do it just keep you know find the places where it's causing us pain, so to speak, and try to unravel those places. and I agree that, I mean, I think. You know we've we've been educated on this issue, not everybody, but certainly the people on this call and question for me is what's next where we're going to do about it Jen go ahead. I just had a general question for everyone. I just want to know if i'm the only person who's concerned about the sustainability of our Community anyone else concerned about about that, ideally, well, we we don't have we've all been pushed nearly all of our middle class out of boulder.

[167:17] And so what i'm my experiences, is that we really have three classes, we have people with too much people with. With barely enough, who are hanging on and then people with nothing and to me, without that middle class to act as a buffer as a balance and. To me, this is distressing i'm in terms of what boulders gonna look like in 10 1520 years I just curious if i'm the only one that thinks about that That was my question, thank you. and I think i'm lead Julian into that. She looks like she's ready to do that.

[168:02] I think that's the the age old question the bar the barbell model that people have been talking about for a long time that we. You just you just very elegantly explained the the two extremes extremes of the population here from a socio economic standpoint and. I think I don't want to speak for everyone on this board, but I think that is a huge motivator for why people are showing up I think it's. it's something that is a huge problem in our Community, and we have to figure out how to address it, I think that's one of the reasons why we chose to focus on this middle income housing strategy, because that is a means by which we can address that missing middle piece. Through through the actions of our board, so I think that. that's on everyone's mind Jana you're not alone. yeah absolutely. agree with that and. Again it's it's a it's a social issue equity issue it's a transportation issue it's a land use issue and all kind of comes together around that and as people eat boulder and.

[169:11] We lose a lot of our Community and folks make move too far flung places to computers to sprawl and transportation problems it's all related. But really the gut level it's, I think, important to everybody on this board because they just didn't want to live in Aspen we went live in a complete community with all kinds of people. And I don't think there's anybody disagree with that, but if you do, you can certainly say something now. And I would just say that. that's about all I worry about so. And you know. For all the reasons but probably the biggest one that's in my mind recently is over the last few years is democracy really doesn't exist without a middle class, so I think we're seeing some of that outcome already.

[170:08] The challenges so yeah I think we're all thinking about it. And I think. I was just saying thank you, I mean I just recently i've only been serving on this board for a few months and I had to miss a meeting was late today and I apologize, and so i'm just trying to get it i'm just trying to get a. yeah consensus here, it does concern me very much that's all and I feel like we only have so much time to. To reverse to reverse what has happened. right and just to be explicit we did identify, that is our priority as outcome of our retreat last year, so we are all. Definitely abortions be for the new members, but we rapidly reach consensus.

[171:06] On that issue. It is 850 I don't want to run over it's been a long meeting. To get things done. Can we go on to our last agenda items. Yes, it's um next up, can I just say a few words about the housing equity symposium. Absolutely, so one of our objectives in and hosting that event was to get. Not just. provide the history. But get people starting to think about what were the unintended consequences of previous policy choices that were made in our Community and not necessarily to go back and reverse those but to really think through future policy choices and potential impacts on.

[172:02] The composition of our community that you've been talking about so to me, hopefully, that came across that the this whole push for Racial equity by our city council. they've done trainings you guys are going to get trainings also. There they started with the staff, so I have a training tomorrow actually on diversity equity and inclusion, how do we get more of that in our boards and commissions. And city council with the racial equity plan, I mean so that's really what precipitated the event for us was how do we start this Community conversation. And I think the racial equity plan is going to help carry that through with our elected officials and how they make decisions in the future, and then I just also wanted to say. See you is definitely a big partner in putting that on, so we need to see you professors that work for the boulder affordable housing or work with the boulder housing affordable housing research initiative, they got that right.

[173:13] And they are continuing their words and doing more of those qualitative storytelling pieces about what it's like to live in boulder. And so they we've been in discussions about sort of a follow on to the housing equity symposium so i'm i'm hopeful that sometime late spring maybe early summer i'll be able to share some news about sort of a follow up event. So anyway just wanted to share that little piece, and then I can move on to matters from staff. and You saying there might be a symposium part to. Some version, yes, but probably more.

[174:01] See you focused. See. Something that the older affordable housing research initiative would put on and we would help support. Great yeah Okay, if no one objects will move on to manage the staff. So basically main thing I want to talk about was our next meeting, so what I have on the April agenda is the continuation of this discussion about Council retreat priorities. we're also gonna it's election time. So you guys get to choose your new chair and vice chair, you can keep the same ones, you can vote him out of office it's up to you guys So if you have an interest in running for chair. or vice chair and in past experiences Michael was elected chair, and it was his first his first meeting second meeting, maybe. That was his first meeting so you may be ready to pass on the baton but you may also be willing to.

[175:06] serve for another year so anyway, keep that in mind. If you've defeated in an election, I will can. See gracefully. yeah that's been our challenge is getting so usually people get nominated, not by themselves. We had talked about doing an overview of the affordable housing. homeownership program so basically the logistics of how that works, so one of our staff will be here to present on that will keep that fairly short maybe 30 minutes 40 at the most. And then I did, as I mentioned, I wanted to preview the updated affordable housing dashboard Just to give you a quick tour so 10 minutes, but if there's anything else, that you would like to discuss. Let me know or let Michael know and we'll make sure it gets on the agenda for the next meeting.

[176:00] Right wouldn't wouldn't we be voting on our recommendation on the blue one. Thank you i'll add that right now. Anything else. Sorry, what was that last item J recommendation on. US folder. Thank you. feel that that's where a lot more discussion road that point of views are you ready to vote like how much time do we need to put it on the agenda. For Easter Fo. Do we have any sense. That they have. Time to incorporate anything that we might suggest anyways I mean I to me it seemed like it would be at the level of word smithing not so. Much substantive. Proposals you know but.

[177:02] yeah like. If you have input I wouldn't wait to that meeting. Because it's going to be mostly done. So. I wondered if he would drop off because. If everyone else noticed that I think everyone else spaces, where i'm still moving. yeah sorry I had a freeze up there and dropped off for seconds I didn't either I don't know if you heard my question how much time do we need on the agenda for the E folder. you're back. yeah i'm gonna stop my video. So my response is is that.

[178:00] We think we're going. We think we're going to propose some systems that. might require some time but also. it's less likely to be. accepted or whatever, I mean seems like. Thanks i'm having Internet problems, but what I heard, is that we need to give them a pretty simple recommendation that the staff will not have time to make further. Major changes or even tweaks, so we should be submitting. Recommendations vigils before the next meeting directly Kathleen and see staff. I guess to me the salient thing is like if if we're going to vote on whether we recommend it to city council and.

[179:04] Planning board. Do we do we vote, I mean if if we have concerns like hang ups or gotchas or whatever we should bring those up sometime before the meeting. I believe we get we got an April 4 deadline to submit comments. Just to mention precedent we did vote on a recommendation for for beta alanine for the Alpine balsam a few months ago, and I believe that was just you know, a symbol affirmation of. of that project without further comments like yeah we think you should consider adopting this with with no explanation is that Ray J. Now board want to approach it, I mean you still have the option to make a recommendation with caveats.

[180:04] yeah I mean you'll have to see what what what comes out in the final plan. i'm just emphasizing that if you do have comments, please don't wait because they've been working on this for three years and. Great this is going to be like the fourth or fifth time that it's been beforehand so. Hopefully. has been brought along, I understand, Philip this is fairly new to you so. Right Eric when we. Give it 1520 minutes on the agenda going. to release leave room for discussion. Any other comments about potential agenda items next month. Just a question how How did the speakers who spoke tonight the guests that we had that presented.

[181:05] How did they get lined up did that did that gets set at a previous meeting or is that something that can happen between now. And the next meeting, if if we have ideas about people who ought to be presenting materials to us that might be relevant to either know the City Council retreat outcomes, or something How does that work. So the gene and Kathleen we're here and I forgot his name already the interim. Different they were the staff to a folder subcommittee plan so that's why they were invited to the meeting so it's based on the agenda item topic. So we can talk more about sort of who gets invited that have has had some pretty lengthy conversations about who they invite as a special speakers. And we can revisit that but what did you have in mind, though more specifically.

[182:03] always asking about the process point of view, like that actually. yeah I would say if there's a topic that you're interested in and would like to learn more about raise it with the group and if everyone agrees, I i'll work on getting it scheduled and then figuring out who the appropriate person is to present. Okay, so I think the answer you gave me is that the fact that they came and presented was discussed at a meeting prior to that it was like voted on or agreed agreed upon at that time. We don't always vote on all the agenda items, but I there's a work plan that you'll get before the next meeting with the draft agenda. That will have sort of the three next three months of meetings and what we anticipate will be on the agenda and then that's what drives who's there yeah so and what's on the agenda. And then so you'll have up until.

[183:03] The chairs will meet the when we meet two weeks before. You go through. So we made basically halfway between meetings and that's where we basically set the agenda. finalize it and then that gets distributed over before with all the materials is that that help. Regarding the. presentation and for sale deed restriction housing, I would recommend we move that, beyond the next meeting it's a really important subject but i'd like to give it some time. And in addition I personally would like to hear about the successes and challenges of the program now just to review what it is. With factual data, but you know some qualitative analysis of what's working and what is not working, I think that'd be very important for us moving forward to determine our middle income housing strategy.

[184:18] Okay anything else in terms of. debriefing from this meeting calendar check when is the next meeting. We said the. Great and that will almost certainly be a zoom. Yes, that's correct. Julian will be a full member, by then, which is great, but we miss you we will hope to attend. And I get a motion to adjourn. And I just mentioned, one thing I forwarded an email about the.

[185:00] affordable housing summit that's being put on by the Colorado real estate journal. it's I just forwarded the email to everybody, so that you're aware of it it's a summit, you have to register there's a there's a registration fee but it's from the developer standpoint. And it's more broadly for Colorado so if anyone's interested in that you'll have an email about it in their inbox. Thanks to those. Other other. Things that they've put together in the past. Thank you anything else. motion to adjourn. Like. Motion seconded all in favor. Okay we'll be talking soon and see everybody next month. Now. Members. And thank you jack thanks for being here.

[186:03] Good luck moving forward everybody will see out there. By. corey and tiffany. Thank you. good night.