April 12, 2023 — Environmental Advisory Board Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] Recording. You guys can do yours. Okay, now, we should be good, all right, Sorry or not. Go ahead alright. because the presiding the agenda. Is the anybody any changes? Yeah. So I want to approve 1 s of Okay. let's go ahead with the following presentation: Section I'm: not singing anyone here yet. Oh, there we go! These are all presenters.

[1:00] and it looks like we have no public participants. Maybe that's planning on watching it. Later i'll keep an eye on the participants, and if I notice people jump in, do you? We have the option. If you all would like to do public participation. I was okay. all right. So let's go to the next item. The discussions I will switch to be. I think the intention is that the new member of would come first and make sure that your official board members before we move on to the discussion or decision items. And so I think the the concept was to just flip flop those number one. I think the intention, after talking to her Not I. Don't think that we're going to get high centered on the issue of

[2:07] selecting a board member to serve on the Multi Board working group. But we also wanted to be respectful of the staff time, and the staff who's here to to present to the 6 Day Review issue that we could get them through and have your discussion, and you know, and about the board member. you know. So you're on the start with the new members. 100 go back. She probably just vote on. He made the motion. Sorry i'm in the Parliamentarian on the for the the motion to switch those items you should. So you know. Oh, well, good question. Yeah. Probably after. Yes. Okay. So I guess this are with the great and and i'm sorry I'm getting ahead of my cell phone going a little to shovel with the issues, and we did not go over the meeting protocol, so we should do that. So my apologies, everybody.

[3:00] I promise. I'm not usually the scatter brain. But I also feel like I said that last meeting. so just wanted to take a moment to go over our meeting rules. Just bear with me 1 s. There it goes. Alright the city has engaged with community members to co-create a vision for productive, meaningful, and inclusive civic conversations. This vision supports physical and emotional safety for community members, staff and board commission members, as well as democracy. For people of all ages identities lived experiences and political perspectives For more information about this vision and the community engagement process. Please visit that website. And the following are examples of rules of decorum found in the Boulder Revised Code and other guidelines that support this vision.

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[5:07] all right. And since we had no one for public comments 3, I see no one still. So there we go. Okay. all right. So you wanna let's take this one. Sorry my screen is stuck. There we are. Alright. There we go. So typically what I think what we would do is just have you either read it allowed. or we can read it for you, and you can repeat it, whatever your preferences.

[6:05] But we'll start with. I believe Alex is first on the you can read it out, and then put pen to paper, and that will be the so I, Al Vanderbach. Well, you saw me swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States of America in the same Colorado, and the charter and ordinances of the city of Boulder, and faithfully perform the duties of the office of a member of the Environmental Advisory Board. We find without Ted I go ahead. I'll support the Constitution of the United States in America, and up the State of Colorado, and the charter and licenses of City of Boulder, and faithfully perform the duties of the office of a member of the environment with by the boy the giant. But to enter. But no, I just didn't know if you need it. Then. Oh. right.

[7:07] 3 to 12. Yes. thanks, both our official. but more numbers. We appreciate the signature. Congrats. We don't have balloons or anything at least. But we brought you pizza? All right. Now that that's done, let me go back to your motion motion to move to the last. Is it 1 s. hey? Where does it go? Okay. Yeah. So who is who's kicking this one off Joanna? Is this: we can get you up on the screen. I'm not sure. If Joanna, you're taking a lead and picking this off Jamie or otherwise. But I think more ready to roll

[8:07] fantastic. I think I is that audio? Okay, that's better. I turn off your So we just a logistical thing. I think you would be able to present for Zoom. and you're seeing. and I will be talking through 6 Day Review. I think I I've changed you to co-host. Have you been able to that's so let's? Thank you so much. So you Yeah, why don't I take that? And then do you want to start us off? And I will give you just 1 s I will

[9:01] is that we can tell when it comes up there here. you know. I can share my screen, and I'm going to start from the beginning. Can you all see that? Okay. yes, we can. Okay, Great. Alright. Can everybody hear me? I wouldn't. Are you? Thanks. Everyone for and yes, thanks for having us. My name is Cindy Briggs. I am a sustainability program manager in the

[10:21] sandy hold on 1 s with the audio is pretty bad. There's a way that Sandy could come in and speak, and someone could just like run the slides from over there or something. Did you hear that, Sandy? Okay. we're just. We get kind of a an echo through the wall, and it's it's very difficult to hear. So I just want to make sure that I've got a second computer in here, too, that you can.

[11:00] Okay. Alright. I'm coming over. So sorry you all I am I? I apologize. I thought this would be an easy. Do you want to log in from this computer, or you can set everything, you know. I think Joanne is going to try to drive from the other room while I speak from this one, so can you hear me? Yes, I can. Hello. Joanna! Your screen is being shared still. so I I can hear you say, Andy, you just fine. But I think I need to share my screen. Yeah, or you gonna show it in there. I'm in the meeting.

[12:02] She was the one that okay, so would it be easier to just have everyone come in, and we could just have some seats back here and just do that. My gosh, I am. you know. figuring out how to be a person again. You said I'm not even in the media. It's not showing you on the meeting. But are you using someone Else's? No. But I was plugged into the I was plugged into the screen over there, and I had to pull it out to come in here. So joint Zoom Meeting from that is that you received. I have to say I am so grateful. But this is happening with this board because you guys are also leaving I'm. Leaving one meeting to join another one now, Apparently

[13:10] I could. It's still not. It's connecting me. So okay. and but your name is on here. I'm gonna make everybody a You know why? Because I couldn't find the invitation on the There you go. I can, so you can share your screen now. Okay. can I really? Can I share the right screen as the next question. And then I want me to get That's easy.

[14:02] Thank you. I know that. But can I do the I don't ever do this? So I apologize. It's a good day to learn. We're all just just to show you how to go into presentation mode for you. Okay. that's all. I got It's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's I can always, and then you can have it out there if you'd like to do that. Right? Yes, the answer to that would be yes, so sorry you all. Once you're connected, i'll put you back in as a co-host. so i'm going to mute myself. Wow! I i'm like 2 inches this way.

[15:19] It's too. So so you don't need to share. I think this is me. Yeah. So just go to you. You and me are connected because I use your invitation. So every time you came. Oh, my God! Oh, my God! Oh, my God! Oh, my God! Oh, my God!

[16:02] Anything else to do tonight! You have your own application. Should we send you? I did. I can go into zoom and resend it to I need to. But you need the presentation there. Okay. the presentation. This is fine. Okay, alright, I'm not going to touch anything. I think we got the again. Super. Sorry all. And again, I'm Sandy, I work here in this building. I'm. In this department. I it's not funny contract. I used to be the IP Secretary with that one. I remember the from the days gone by, the last remaining. We had new members from that time. but as we've mentioned, we're going to talk to you today about 6 day Review and Sam's as a new collaboration between our department and funding, as you guys and uploaded work, Utility. So

[17:02] okay, it's working. Thank you all. So we heard that we all were interested in more information about 6 Day review, which was really a timely request, considering our newly recent collaboration between our departments. I also thought it would be super helpful for you all to understand a bit about the history of our work with the environmental center. So the cigarettes are long collaborated on voice diversion and sustainability programs. This all started in that kind of a simple handshake global agreement, like many, many, many years ago. And then it was written into a kind of a loose operating agreement, and the mid 2,010, and then more recently solidified into an actual formal contractual relationship during the pandemic. and all this partnership has evolved in scope and name over the years, and it was that you could. The premise of the whole program can remain. Stay, and that is to educate incoming students each year without boulders and see you shared

[18:02] sustainability culture and goals utilize the tried and true peer-to-peer face to face community-based social marketing model to encourage behavior, change, and to provide toable resources that will help through some of the barriers that the students might have in and being successful. So the program continues to evolve. Even today. I can also talk with your manager up there about how we can fix it and make it better, and not fix it. But just how we can better collaborate to try to. It does continue to have always, but it does stay true to its core of energy, waste, water, transportation, air, quality, and climate, justice, education. So part of this history that I just chaired was a regulation. The regulation came up with history. You know

[19:01] that really was aimed at preventing the excessive quantities of discarded materials from piling up and student and neighborhoods during the then and part of new. This became known as a 6 Day Review, although it has much more complicated name. Covid Fort and Jen Riley, Current Enforcement Supervisor Gen. Riley has probably some more information on that that we can look for if you need it. Okay. So what is 6 Day Review. It is a regulation that requires mental property owners on the hill and then growth neighborhoods to subscribe to 6 day per week waste collection. You're in the Cu. Students within and move out periods at their own expense. hollers servicing these neighborhoods, and are also required to provide this increased collection frequency, and typically they set the dates. When the 6 Year review occurs

[20:01] for the full schedules and the historical collection data from one to before and during these review periods the drivers will empty, full trash containers daily, or if they're full on every day, but only if they're half full on Saturday on the before, all day long through them as well, and they also empty, half full or more recycling containers at least twice week. During the set period of time the code referenced is attached to your mammals. We really decided to read the actual code language. So it's pretty short and easy to understand. So it's one of my. So as the circular economy. Formerly 0 waste team and the climate issues department. We've had really long standing Long term goals for the move in and move out issues that we see each plus a year. and those are to promote reuse by developing and implementing a system through which outgoing students can easily score, transport, share, donate furniture, and other household goods with either local or or income students. The next year, instead of sitting on the materials to landfill.

[21:06] and there have been attempts in earlier years to incentivize on the individual transportation of things from one place to a first 4, or to a donation zone through given, give coupons to like local businesses. and also some partnerships with organizations like us. Us. Again, we can both get those boxes on. you know, parking lots of the streets, and there's only been a really limited participation in success with either any of these attempts that have been made over many years. and resources, resourcing and logistical considerations and challenges have been really into the barriers over the years. One of the biggest challenges, however, is also coordinating the many interested parties that would need to be involved in the development and implementation of such a program. This is just at the top of my head. I'm. Probably forgetting one or 2 or 10. But this is just the many parties that would be involved in in tackling some sort of program coordination. And all these people get really complicated.

[22:08] We did then, here from public works utilities that there's kind of this overlap going in between our 6 Day Review and our challenges there, and the safe and manage public Spaces expansion the Sams expansion. We identified this kind of overlap of our of our goals and across the farm now working group was created between their departments. This year we will test an expanded approach to preventing all these material from entering the environment. There are even a new out. and also serve as a place to start theing. The information needed to a pilot program for an off campus student circular sharing economy in the future. So now Joanna Bloom will tell you more about Sam and our combined efforts. And do I need to? So hi i'm Joanne, i'm i'm it's upcoming director over in utilities, and I am involved in the

[23:05] team utilities is a part of that city-wide team, but it also does include other departments are open space the police department, and then several others. So it is. It's more than utilities. Although this this is where laurel is. So thank you so much. So a utilities focus in this program really is on the management of public spaces, although for sure we try to take a compassionate first as large part of the larger home business strategy as well. So it's there's overlap, but but our focus is really And so the the program started in 2,021. That's. Okay. The program started in 2021, and we've been going for about 2 years. It's evolved over time, and in the end of last year council did improve.

[24:05] and additional funds in the 2,023 budget to expand the operations team. That does a lot of the clean ups in conjunction with the police department, and then they also had a line item in there to enhance our trash collection services. The idea of being that. you know there's these upstreams versus of materials that make their way into drainage, raise, and encampments, and if we could STEM the the tide a little bit, that that might. But that might help some of some of what's going on in public spaces. And so it to get a better idea of Sam's Overall City Council is holding a 3 h study session tomorrow, and all things homelessness. So if you're interested in that topic, it's a great time to tune in, and they're going to talk about family homelessness, individual homelessness, and then there is the same update involved it. It'll be tonight, is really to talk about this subset of this trash collection program. And really. oh, I tried to forward it. So we do notice this uptick and discarded, which improperly discarded material.

[25:12] and of May and August. I do think the table in your memo showed some of that increase of trash collection it's. We are assuming that some of it is coming from these student housing areas, but certainly not all of it is. But the focus is really to kind of enhance trash collection in those areas. to stop the flow down into drainage ways, not only to manage public spaces, but also it does increase our pled risk, and if it clocks brand new or intakes, or any other infrastructure, it really didn't increase the butter for everyone. So so part of it is a safety goal as well. Thanks. Tomorrow. So, as you mentioned, there is a nice overlap between these 2 programs, and both assignment initiative stuff, and then are the money that we got for them. Search for these, both the University and the grassroots.

[26:09] neighborhoods, and it's the intent. It's not for one to replace the other. They're they're coincident, and we'll see how they can complement each other, but they recognize that they have approaches from our goals in the end. Next slide, please. So these are the proposed disposal locations, Western works with a lot of data as Sandy mentioned. And so this is kind of a collaboration between utilities and Western to decide where we might get, and the best thing for our buck and these are subject to change. We're going to see what participation we get when we'll adapt. So this is very much a pilot program at this point where we're doing. We're going in with an informed plan, but it's certainly we can adapt as we go. The one thing to note is that.

[27:00] as Sandy mentioned, the 6 Day Review is funded by rental property owners, so that enhanced trash collection as it is. is the rental property owners that these dumpsters are all publicly funded through the general funds the council of her last year. Yes. So one of the we. As I mentioned, we're working through the implementation details One real focus of this spring effort is to collect data on how much participation we're getting, and really what tastes of materials we're getting. So we can focus. enhanced, reuse, and we know it's not ideal to just throw everything away. That's where we are right now and in our in our logistics planning. But the idea is to collect some data and see what we might be able to target effectively in the future for some type of reuse program. We haven't fully landed on a data collection method. I think the students have a lot going on, and they and so you know, we thought, oh, the Greeks, societies, or whatever. But they're all doing finals and other things. And so we're looking for alternatives to student groups.

[28:05] We thought about doing crowdsourcing with the other books that live on the middle, and some of the data and other volunteer opportunities. But we haven't totally nailed that down yet, so that you haven't got data collection or great other other than Sandy running around with our cell phone. Which I will do, Jamie, did you hear that? I'm gonna be on the field for a while? So that's that's the that's where we are right now. So anything just in terms of next steps and next slide, please laurel really again. and trying to nail down the specifics. We will do an evaluation of the approach. And just see how effective we're being, You know, for example, on the same side of things. You know it. People will dump through that. I know. We experience that all down the line of Pearl Street corridor, and so there's no there's no guarantee that I guess, but in the we're going to stay in there. So we're just going to kind of have to live our way into it, and how it goes

[29:03] ideally, if it's effective and we get people using them, then we can enhance the program and incentivize, reuse, or kind of hit that next tier of improving the program right now. We're just focused on I'm getting it off the ground. And just a reminder again, if you're interested in the broader there is so much on this topic. So if you're interested in the broader thing from our own 18 in, and really I guess you know beyond what you all wanted to talk about, and if you have additional questions, you just wanted to see what suggestions you might have. recognizing that we're really in the bare bones. You know, developmental stages right now. But any thoughts you may have if this continues in the future. But like that, you are yeah. great. Thank you. I have a question for you. Yeah, I do it. And i'm gonna just so i'm not like. So it sounds like

[30:03] the dumpster or rock points from the stands perspective or their year round as opposed to the ones associated with moving without would be there manual. Is that correct? So slightly? Not right? So the Council budget line it, and did approve funding for 3 downstairs downtown as the program at all. We're still trying to develop specific locations to see where it would be most helpful. Those would be their approved to to keep the dumpster diving, and in the wild they safe. Those would be your bounds, these 3, the ones on the hill will only be there directly if I move out, so Western will bring in for about a 3 week period of May. We'll take it away, and then we'll come back again in the fall, for I think it should be period. Then we originally we're going to go with a larger number of dumpsters. But there's so much going on with the student population during the same timeframe that they're actually limited on number of doctors that they can lease us. And so.

[31:00] you know, we we're. We're open to looking at other ideas for public services is also a party to this 6 day review policy. But Gotcha. Okay, so that's the long answer. It's. It's really just our Okay? So i'm wondering this isn't really a suggestion. But something that I noticed it was more when I lived in like, See you graduate student housing. There was almost a culture of reuse that there was a kind of a area where people would drop things. Other people grab it. And it was that was just their year round. Is there a way kind of establish a that culture of reuse the year long and accessible with dumpsters is that. you know. And I know that's kind of how hard, when you take it to. Yeah. So we think in terms of the C corridor itself.

[32:00] and because of the concern, and whatever we try not to encourage more, stop coming into that corridor. So I think that's why we're trying to focus on these neighborhood areas. They absolutely think that's on the table in terms of enhancements down the road. If establishing that culture. We have to work through all the details. I know right now. They're They're kind of informal dump areas, and I wouldn't want to exacerbate those issues until we really need to bet the idea. But for sure, I think stuff like that is on the table. It's part of the long term plan on the dream that we've always had to try to, you know, create these sorts of sharing, you know, economies. and it is I i'm, a little bit familiar with the you mentioned a graduate family housing because I've talked to our contacts. They're about. We're not there, but at that we we center about the grabbing and grow go programs that they have within the door, and the residence falls, and such, too. They do some more thing with people who do stuff and get on this stuff, and I actually asked her if there was a way to people that we could collaborate and bringing that outside of the realm of campus, and it just brings in a whole another set of logistical problems and space problems and all of that. So it it's just one of our challenges, but it's definitely part of our long term vision, and are doing to try to create that sort of

[33:16] sharing society. So I think one of the ideas. And this is probably way far down the road that we talked about. This is that, you know, even having some type of it's not exactly what you were talking about, but having some type of short term storage facility. If we could secure that where students are ready for the summer, but want to come back in the fall and get stuff, and you know it's like I find nothing. You know, that tumbled, or whatever it is we could essentially look at that. I think there's a lot of question about anything or whatever. But if they, if they go as well. if we can figure out a way for students to be able to transport and bring their things to a central location like a pop up Halloween store; that an empty warehouse, or what

[34:03] for the for 3 or 4 months over the summer, and then just drop off their stuff, and they either come back and get it, or other students can come back and fall and just basically go shopping for they might need there. I mean, that's that's really what we envision. But again, they'll just logistics and space and funding are all really tricky when it comes to that. that, and just trying to figure out how to transport things, you know. Yeah. So you mentioned earlier that one of the the bigger issues was students were just not participating, and so I I never live on campus myself, but what my, my my roommate said, and having met college students specifically undergraduate to you. they tend to be pretty disinclined from sort of environmental direction that the city of Boler scout, the the the see. This, you undergraduate program is a very different culture from the

[35:10] what kind of like potential outreach is? Is it like on the table. What are you looking into? Because that's gonna be a hard group to make the pitch to. There is the the office, right? The off Campus Neighborhood relations office through to you that we also partner with, I think Laurel more familiar with on them than I am. But but yes, they they do a lot of outreach, and at the moment and move out. Times they do door hanging, and they they walk. You know as much information as they possibly can on the door. Hanger. That said, you know, take your building materials to resource and take your, you know, electronics to charm and do this and this and this. They list out all the you know, and options in boulder, and what to do with stuff is just making it easy.

[36:00] That is always the hard part that all things outreach for between that and then working with our communications to trying to figure out as to the the data function, as if we can create a hashtag that gets the permanent neighbors in those neighborhoods to help us when they see a up to hashtag, so that for what we can get Sandy out, or one of our volunteers out there. Really, just take a look and see what materials are in the downstairs. Right? So that's one avenue that i'm pursuing right now.

[37:02] So this is a bit of a a side step. That's okay. You were kind of wondering about how to collect data, or I guess we're talking about how to get the word out. Is it possible? I know it's kind of to capitalize on Earth Day, and people's general awareness, at least on that specific day. Okay. try to get information out. Obviously it doesn't coincide with may move out dates. But I think that's a day when people are a little bit more receptive to engaging in this sort of thing. So that could be that we can definitely push out some information, and we have a really great communications, people and channels. We we struggle with getting that information into the right eyes and tears, though. So that's where we struggle a little bit to where I started, at least, so we can make the best pieces. But if people aren't reading them or hearing them on. how do we get them to the student population is the hard part

[38:00] if they are not listening or not to. And I don't know what I mean, what's the best social media for. Yeah, I don't think, yeah, I don't think that that we have a Tiktok Channel. I'm Anthony on my head, but they probably do. We do. That would be a good a good thing for me to discuss with the ecosystem because they they are the student period of your team that go out and do that. and have checked out. I don't I don't know if they have like tik tok. I don't know how to talk. What's going on. I'm full how we can go get out to the whole student population and our

[39:02] I don't know if everybody gets those I know. I'm so sorry. Thanks. That's my you. You just like that on my desk. 100 investments. Okay. So that's getting the word out. I I don't. I think we could do something around. Just what channels to get it through on is is the trick tricky apart. So yeah. yeah, the only way to get this there are there are emails last that all of the you know. But most people just really doesn't agree that I did that. And i'm, you know one of the more going through

[40:00] for any of those sort of you know classes. I think it' be a hard way to reach people, I think. if if there's a way to use social media or find which environmental groups in. So you use social media and get them to work out. And that's probably not the most consistent way that I can think of. But even that is going to be. Students are a remarkably unengaged for, and that's not an easily fixable problem. It's your new for a previous salary. So we've done surrounding sixty- review unrelated to this. I knew that our police cons person does to just coordinate with documents, something group and they work on messaging. So it's definitely something we can ask them about targeting a certain date, just kind of enhance things for important. Maybe they have some ideas, because I know they they wrestle with communicating

[41:05] actually end of classes, which actually they're getting along our doors around our It's any questions calls. I think. Sorry, Mr. Chair, You can't send me back here if if I can. Over a couple of comments for the record. the board can see a little bit of the duality in the conversation. There's kind of this acute issue that players up on a regular basis, and we're really putting together some tactics and kind of address, those public health and safety issues that occur, and I think what would be really interesting is come back and have a conversation with the board about. How do we change that culture? Because I will say, and I think you all can probably survive this. This is not a unique situation to boulder or to this university. This happens at every canvas.

[42:09] and so I really appreciate these comments around one of the tactics to try to push information out. But what I think to the comments about, even if that information is present, is it going to result in a change in behavior? I don't necessarily believe it will, but I am. I'm open to the so. I think it'd be great to have a conversation with the Board about how do we start to continue to shift towards a reuse mentality. This is front and center in a lot of the work that that Sandy has been leading, and our secular economy team to say, what are the what's the infrastructure? We need to make this type of reuse culture the easiest and only option. And right now the the default is to to go with the easy option right? It's to just one stuff out on the curve, or it just goes wherever it goes. So that's some work that we have to do as an I mean as a city, as a partnership with the university, with with the housing entities, and all of the part partners that we need to be thinking about, to to really ship that mentality and change, that culture and love to engage with the board.

[43:11] And what is that long term trajectory? How do we want to think about that? What are some strategies to start changing that narrative? So I I just wanted to bring up kind of this here is like this acute issue that happens during these these months. But those tax security are going to be a little bit different in this long term strategy. Thanks, for I will say, if you contact your whole getting like they have the best furniture a full of. But I think the reason they have the best furniture is because I don't want to do this any more than it is, for sure, every Covid but you could call them.

[44:04] and they will come to your house and pick up your furniture for you, so like, if you when i'm old lady, the hunt is, you know, beautiful antique. and you want to get rid of it. People call them. They will call them, you know. If it's good they will take it from your hands. You know that they had a a band. What is there? Take it to the first store. all 3, and then yeah. Then if they're gonna sell it, or whatever you know. Then they handle the disposal. So I think, you know, since it is mostly students thing, you know, that maybe the see you. Boulder should have them what I've been for. Well, it providing some sort of like man that only works in what it's in May and August. and like you, said some of the warehouse where things can go, and they, if they can all recycle them, then what's the disposal of the public over the I think it's our they call me, you know. Take the furniture away, but I I don't know if it's a.

[45:13] and they, unless you go and show up, and you know it's not really well. I will say those I don't know about the state of central students. That's another consideration. Students buying and selling. So I I think that might. I guess we do, because the on social media in the marketplace. So you know, they have electron channel pay, but it's like they can. You can go and buy in person where you can also, you know, buy it through marketplace or some of the

[46:13] they. They do as do as do some of the others as well, that we research before, and it's it's a question of scale that's great. If you have one or 2, maybe 5 pieces of furniture, but when you have 500, then then you really need to get a lot somehow and get all in with this are involved, and get a truck, you know, with box truck, at least, you know, and that so that's again just the statistical challenges. But you're right about the true. We appreciate that. Okay. What are the chances that if this were to be organized. they they come into the house or apartment and pick it up as opposed to. We're overcoming the convenience issue. And so the student is.

[47:00] They just have to put on the curve like you say, we can make even easier. We come in. You don't even have to move it out. It's it's that a possibility If we have funding to pay them to do that. I think I don't think they would do that about 500. I i'm just guessing. I don't know how many numbers are, but I I think it's something. We can ask to work to set up an agreement to do that, but I think it's going to be funding. Would there be a way to sort of set up a like work with the this, you administration to set up a like Cu threat store right? That, like functions on a sort of similar premises. What you were sure, but like, yeah, how, however, it would request but to like, you know there, rather than trying to outsource it to you know, a a separate thrust, or, you know, an outside company, but like to have, because I can see you has like. I know they have some amount of retail store for books and all those things like. Is that a feasible conversation to have? I think it's totally feasible to have, and I've had it a little bit before we have. We always get the same answers that they don't have the space on campus to do that. So

[48:12] okay. I and you could just go to some exchange on campus, and everyone was aware of it. And yeah, they were. Well, then, as I mentioned before, they do have something established like that for the residents already for the incoming, the outgoing freshmen and the university function. And it function a little bit outside of like markets, need to make money, and it could be work, study, like you said, and once you at all different, certain level, it'd be really yeah, I feel like there's a still a place for our ecosystem teams, and well for sure, because that's what they do when they go talk to their fellow students about this thing. So.

[49:04] And I think if it's, if you incorporate work, study that takes care of at least an element of the communication issue, we're having before people know that they friends that work there, or you've heard someone's picking up a ship there, you know, just this has one pathway Communication. Yeah, a really great idea. A couple of common slash questions. I guess I'm a little curious. If there is any avenues to shift where the they say review funding are coming from. I'm a little concerned because he said it was being funded by rental property owners, and they usually pass costs on to their renters, and students usually don't have too much money. I know there are some students that see that have a little bit more like as well, but in in general across the us, so I don't have too much money. And so

[50:11] I'm. one. Yeah, I guess if there are any other avenues we could look towards for that, because run some boulder huge it. That's a good question. I'm not sure. I know how to answer that. I I think there's definitely avenues that can be looked at. I'm not sure what those are right now currently is in the code. So it would require a code change to not have it be that way, and i'm not. I'm. Not certain about the history of how the Co. Got established, but it's been around for at least 20 years. So so this is not a new. This is not a new arrangement. but certainly we could find the Yeah. Yeah. I guess also how much? How much are like for one rental property, or how much of an increase would it be?

[51:11] Well. the the Hollers all have their own business plans and rates, and i'm not sure what they charge necessarily for that. It's some. It's a piece of information that they don't often share easily with us. They probably would. I have. I have some people I get asked for that. I do think I do think our main is manager has been related to it. I know the only i'm in the trash, and if it's 3 quarters full or more, and then you charge for that. And then, if you do a large item, it's like, you know, microwave it's like $25 or whatever, so I would estimate it in the hundreds, not thousands, that that would be customized for that. Yeah, they kind of. They. They charge per hall. So rather than taking up the trash once or twice a week now we're doing it 6 days a week for a 3 week period. So it's just, you know, an extra pick up basically

[52:05] 10 for extra items there are. Yeah. And I would also say. I guess. are are there large pick up zones on campus during this or during those times, for like hard to recycle items. because I know we were talking, having a discussion earlier about the QR code, and I think that's a great idea. But even like me is super like into environmental issues. I have a hard time like making myself go to charm like once every 6 months, and i'll have things piling up, and then it'll be like a pile in my apartment, because I don't want to go charm yet. But i'm wondering if maybe we have something specifically for students. That's like all of the different would like heat, waste batteries and light bulbs and computers, like all in one area during those times on campus. That might

[53:09] be a lot easier. Yeah, Agreed. That's a funding issue then, too. But but yes, I mean I know we do it for other sectors of the community. So I don't know I I don't know why we couldn't extend that to a student sector as well other than you know, i'm not locating something for it, so i'm not positive. What can what they do specifically on campus about that. So we, you know we have to talk with them because because of the I guess the jurisdictional boundaries that that brings up as well. But yeah. yeah. I'm. Also wondering if you were looking for data collection volunteers. Or do you have any funding source for the collection? We do not at this time right now. Yeah.

[54:04] I was also wondering if they could talk about why you I mean, you guys are collecting the data, so I guess you might have more of a sense of why this is but you said that there is because of students. There is more trash pick ups in May and August, because, as our move out, times are moving times. no wondering what you think of it being also the case during or around accountants. It's it's the trickling that it's just coincides with the beginning and end of summer. I was also. which is to be a huge at Zoom. So so I I mean.

[55:02] I don't know that there's a direct cause and effects relationship. You think about that. I can't see, probably, what we see about the different population along the Creek. I do think that the area that we're primarily focused on with the right now is either the holder or or over in blue screen. There's a couple of other that we can get to. But it's really those 2 previous, and our resources kind of live in us. To those 2 areas the there is a really high prevalence of drug addiction in those populations as well. There's for certain that it's not the only homelessness issue that we're basis, if it's much larger than that. But in these 2 specific areas I can that that's largely the population. And there is kind of there's a lot of cohort in things that happen with drug addiction, for you know some health reasons and things, and boarding me figures is one of them. And so I do think what we see is that there's either done surviving or on Pearl Street, or whatever, just whatever is close by that people will that you like things. So when we talk about trash that we collect, for in the stance program. It's, you know. Obviously it's who rappers and things like that, or or things that

[56:11] have been contaminated either by human waste or or or other things. But there's also a lot of furniture there's mannequins. There's I mean there's a lot of stuff that it's accumulated as well, and I think it is because there really is a whole society that's kind of involved in it. So I I would say My My anecdotal experience in managing the team is that it's not we don't really see a hypothesis student. almost this happening. It's more folks that are really in this category of and kind of persistent and sustained. Okay, so are you zoom saying that maybe this is higher in May and August for the most population, because there's an increase in.

[57:15] you know it is some one of them evolving to, or you think about the we throw away, and then there's more than next week that I just think there are available during this time. That's the hypothesis we'll let you know that that's a follow up to that. Is there a reason that the needle number should be significant? Yes, I know the Then there's no reason for entry Access students to cause you don't know so Interestingly, again, this is all in excel, and I don't know that they have any cardi, although I can ask how many different services regulates the kind of needle collection stations, so I can ask them. But but they were saying, I mean, for for we we do, individual, you know, start to our hands out as part of our like bombers, checks and things like that, as we're going on notifying books to move.

[58:10] But we also have these larger containers. They do get used for certain in conjunction with drug addiction. But it's also. I know we've heard that you know there's people that there's an acupuncturist that uses this by as their disposal site, and that's just what they do. And so it might be that there's other just random thing like dynamic needles and things like that, like, I don't know what we're speeding, and I noticed that to you so. But it is an interesting. so also some question. So the 6 6 of you, which just says that the landlord has to pay extra during 6 days, and moving and move out of time. So the way it works is like

[59:01] whether it's possible to come to the house and check the freshman, or you can out it will. It will pick it up. Yes, and then they do right. Yeah, they will, if it's more than 3. My understanding is, if it's more than 3 quarters of the wait for they will, and then I charge for that. I can see it's just a regular 96 gallon. Yeah, yeah. And then they will pay all the and then they have the landlord for that, or they, Bill. Whoever's on the trash account. Okay, Which you. this you should tell the students so it makes sense that you want to use it, because then you have to pay money. Yes, and it's very individualized, whether it goes to the student or the landlord that's really up to them, how they structure that they yes, whoever's on the account gets it. And and yes, you would. You would pay more if you put your account, or whatever they will, they will charge for that, and they'll charge for that. They have an empty as well, and it doesn't increase to them. So I guess I see 2 things with that is like one movie of the calls. Because I was a student.

[60:02] Yeah, I wouldn't call them to pick it up, you know, because i'll be like. Well, the 6 day happens automatically. They try 5, 6 days a week during that period. That's why it's called 6 Day Review, because they go through, and they check again. So you don't have to call. They just come. There is there They're on an ally already, and so the I think primarily in these neighborhoods that the then I guess that's right. That's right. So they would be next to they can, and that would be a an additional tag. They go on a large item, tag charge they do, they They do. If you put it in the alley, which they don't all they don't all end up in the Allied. They end up in Prior. and you said you're in the that inflation face right now. We're trying to figure out. So with with the with the dumpster that utilities is providing out out. We're not providing them. Western is providing numbers that we use general fund money. Yes, we are trying to figure out

[61:14] how to collect data primarily to inform. Is there a reduce opportunity? Let me just. and that's just that's an add on really the request from Council was, do something about stopping the flow of the trash that we see in in August from these areas to encampments. So data collection is, we're trying to figure out. Well while we have the opportunity. Let's see a if people are using it, and then you whether it be there for so. Yes, we're we're like, Well, he's tagging the cheapest one you can find. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I I don't think I don't want it as a public employee. We can do that. So what?

[62:00] Yeah. Okay. Okay. So it's. So. The goal of this, this, this pilot is just all the flow from zoom. And what what's it going to crash that it's? I mean, I guess we're not interested in what's What are we looking at? It's something in camera. It's like it's like it's. It's it's it's totally, Not everything. Everything makes it so. But I mean you would be on the so everything that it's out. We'll make it okay, so that is our workplace. It's dro by by the creek on that, and you got nothing to do for 36 h. You are really industrious about collecting whatever it is that you can find, and you bring it here on camera. and the furniture is usually located in places not next to the Vince and Western will only pick up the large. So so part of the reason why I need to go about this day Review is fully unrelated to I can't

[63:14] I? Working in utilities? We also work a lot with irrigation ages and the Anderson to transfer the hell, and I would get calls from residents all this time where it's like, hey? I have a ditch running through my yard. and students come, and they throw all their couches in it, and this one for guys who is on the corner end up with like 6 to 10 couches like every, and and they, I don't know why they ditch is such a magnet, but it is, but the students will throw in there, so they don't have to pay for the disposal. or for whatever reason. So you're right if it's next to the bins. It's kind of managed, but it's all the other areas where it just gets built. Essentially, and it's a right. Your Your neighbor. Okay. that was, Thank you. Would there be a way to get Western to not charge for this for 6 K Review.

[64:05] Because students are to get students, Aren't going to throw away their furniture if they're going to be billed $50 to throw away their couch. They're just not going to throw it away in a place that is designed to be thrown away. Is there a way to either. you know, Ask question, disposal to not to get them, to, not charge for those days, or have a reimbursement from the city, so that the payment on this is not on the students. Is that a like feasible plan, because I think as long as students are still being charged for it, we're just going to continue to see a lack of. So I mean, I. This is funding of this good look a lot of different ways. But the money has to come from somewhere, so I can't see for Western and I. I, you know I don't know what Council would approve or not approved, but free Josh. Service. I don't think as a model, but i'll where the money comes from. I think it's worth it this long term strategic discussion about like how they they culture and reuse, or where did the funding come from? That

[65:08] that is sustainable. I think that's really the problem. Is that why these are hard to launch? Because there's really no sustainable source of funding for and just to clarify in case anybody doesn't understand it. It's a free market of hollers in boulder, and it's not the city power. I'm our contract. So we don't have any control over their business or what they charge, and we can suggest and ask things. But yeah, it's up to them what they're gonna charge. Oh, maybe another way to frame that conversation question. And this is maybe in the relevant data collection. If we talk to some of these different residents, some have been not successful where we see patches on long. not picking up all these virtues versus those who seemingly are successful in trying to pinpoint. Why is this successful? Versus why not? Is it just

[66:09] or active or responsible? Tenants live there, or are the landlords actively engaging with their tenants, and saying they won't charge you that, or hey? This is the policy, whereas these people don't know. Is there a way to say, I think, for my conversations with the it? It is one of the latter math responsible landlords. But understand what the city's policy is. They understand what we're trying to achieve. One of the challenges that I guess the education for this. An outreach piece is that outcomes housing actually call me that they have students that come in every year that say they're and it's it out of 6 day review. And the thing is

[67:10] challenge that I Yes. it doesn't property numbers of their Are you sure? Okay, I I do know. The problem that we have now is that if you're a rental manager and somebody you know 5 or down, or whatever does the couch on your yard you, as the we're in the place where the couch ends up gets a ticket, you get a citation, and then you are charged for calling it off. So whoever does the dumping, unless you can catch them in the act, or whatever else kind of walks away, it's an additional, it's a. It's a code violation

[68:05] to get dumped on. So it's it's not a very. It's not a perfect system for sure. So you guys go from here today to just inform us all of this, or do I get some feedback? So like some like. Yeah. So really, we came at the request of the board to inform mostly for sure the conversation has been formed what I hope I mean. So, even though our task at hand right now is kind of STEM, the flow of trash. If it goes well, there's no reason why we couldn't encourage we, and then enhance it right, that that, I think would be great, and all the ideas we all discuss tonight. I think we could take back, and i'm sure the conversation is broader than us

[69:11] so, but we are not at the point yet. We're we're. We can be our focus right now. We just have to make sure we get the program off the ground, and it's really only funded for one year right now. So it it goes well. When we get we get the numbers that use, then it has a better chance of being consistently funded, and then maybe we can talk about some of these other programs. So we're not quite there yet, but it's definitely. It's it's worth planning for the long. same same same footprint, but not as tall as like your the port, your numbers, and you can't really push anything up

[70:03] top 20 yards. You can get stuff in there to. I guess what I like to suggest is maybe as I was in the future, revised the code and try to get funding through the rental license fee, or something, for you know, supporting, if it successful. Supporting this program. i'm also trying to phrase it in a way that I would depend on, you know you know some sort of way. But do you do you say jumping? They don't get fine at all, or if they No, it it's. It doesn't mean that the code doesn't provide or fine option it's just in terms of code Enforcement's ability to to actually track that down. And the fact is, and I I just want to stress this point that this program has been around for quite a while, and I think it's trying to set for 20 years. And so one of the things I want to

[71:07] come back to you. So I want to finish your your comment on your question but one of the things that I heard from the board, and I I think this is a really important thing for us to take back is having the better understanding of how that cost is actually passed along to customers, because, quite frankly, the way these bills actually go. It's like socialized across the entire year, right? So sometimes it's just kind of built into the cost versus what I think maybe some of you heard is during those meetings. A landlord gives a bill to a student that says 100 bucks because your can went out and that'd be problematic. So understanding is there. What is the typical way that the hollers apply those fines, how the landlord's assets cost on. And then I think that we can have a conversation about doesn't make sense to try to incentivize some of those costs. Should other taxpayers put the bill for that? Is there another way to think about covering those costs, and that, I think can come in with this like Well, is there an incentive for reuse? So is there a way to get landlords to be partners to say, hey, Guess what you don't get these costs, if you work with us to to try to find ways to minimize those

[72:15] that that was during those times here, so that that's one of the things that I definitely heard for sure. And then we can take a look at the code and talk about it and think about. What does it actually say? What modifications would it would be beneficial like? Maybe those some things you want to come back to. Well, all the time went through this for the study. For all this discussions. You do that Well, I know you all are looking at the spring and fall. All the the funding was for this this calendar year, and I think some of the data collection is to start done. Understand what actually is being collected. Where is it going that can help us make important decisions about any revisions to not only along longer sustain program, but also any, maybe regulatory changes. So my guess is, we, Perhaps i'm making this up. So you know, after move in so maybe late, fall later part of this year that at least tell me if i'm getting this wrong, that there might be some data to share to come back and say, here's what we've learned.

[73:14] and that. I think would be at the time to say what we want to do for 2,024? Do we look at some additional funding? Did we learn what we needed to learn? Do we need an additional year, and that, I think would be a great time to come back. And okay. like, wait for the same guy like i'm really intrigued by this idea of some landlords that are are doing it right. You know some tenants that want to do it right, and using those as kind of the seed to grow in those neighborhoods and incentivize more that kind of behavior. Just a quick comment. I think one of the things I use when I was in college, which is not too long ago.

[74:01] But yes. fortunately, or unfortunately, you say that this was not no longer. It is like college students. But in in my college we had by cell trade group, which was used, like all throughout the year, for anything basically basically like a partner system. And we could do that with Tiktok. I think it would. It could actually work with tech talk to you could just film what your So I trading and take it down whenever you've created it. Okay. Suggest that to some of the so about who I work with at the center she's. She wants to start something like that at graduate family housing. She's been talking about that for the I forget what the platform was. It was something different than it was. Yeah, yeah.

[75:04] but yeah, it's a I feel like we're we're talking about really complex solutions to Oh. problem that is caused by other things, mainly that a lot of students off campus. and that there is a large homelessness population in folder. And I think if we kind of shit the focus to talking about, how can we create more student housing on campus. and how can we do it? More? I was like, but I don't think that that's the core issue. And so, if we want to actually tackle this problem, those are the core issues that need to be talking about is, how do we build more affordable housing like real affordable housing

[76:03] over rents. So that Yeah. So that's students and have students live more on campus with. So I think those are honestly the core issues here, instead of just worrying about how students are kind of all over the city and dumping things, and then they all end up in a homelessness population that's wrong. So bigger, bigger questions for sure. This is one last thing. If you said the Burger, so in comment it made me wonder if this needle number has to do with actually all that those resources filtering into that population, or somehow get answered to money or butter. So for

[77:00] interesting definitely. I I don't remember which Nordic country it was, but I think one of the Nordic countries had, like set up actual like places where you can go where doctors can give you around the legal drug use, so that you significantly takes down the stigma and reduce diseases caused by reducing needles. and that would also decrease the amount of needles that are run away, which I also don't think is the huge problem there. But if we're talking about trash specifically, that's our only lens of looking at this, it would also off the trash.

[78:03] but for now, for now the school on the timeline of this project is setting so right? It's just it's constrained. What you do. What these answers were they? All right? Yeah, i'm sure they can be Rules combat later in the year, and I have a new discussion. So everything is all you right now. So yeah. But but now it's not. I think, too much. You'll see that even that point. It seems like one of the actual things we can do tonight. It's figure out how to get the best data that it would be great if you had. The only thing that I heard was that Sandy might be running around, which is probably not gonna happen. But I will. I mean, if I need to do some spot check, and then you can see

[79:09] box device. Yeah. we we've been talking about ideas from so Western for them. Give you total clients for the 3 year period, or they right? I think it's yes. at the same time each day. That's another question I can like it. Is it possible to.

[80:04] You know, if I don't look right before they come and see I was like that's the best time to get. but that that's what we can with the crowdsourcing idea. It is I'm. Sure diving is not sorry, and I I just want to put out there that you know a lot of communities do type of audits in containers to understand what what the material flow actually is industrializing and doing. The spot checks is their their challenges with their safety concerns, obviously making sure that people understand how to do it, making sure they go through a little bit of training. So they're doing it safely. But I think I think there are ways that we can do some spot checks and maybe work with volunteers. Maybe we will see you a little bit more to at least start to get get a little baseline about what actually is being thrown away. And look the the the interesting thing about this is, i'm going back to the comment earlier. This goes on every single year at every single campus, sitting in everywhere, and a lot of a lot of campuses have gone to like a drop in swath, where they warehouse materials. Where they do these really creative reuse opportunities? They do these audits

[81:14] and be honest. It's it's really the same kind of materials that get thrown away during the bouts. It's lumber and center blocks for beds. It's appliances. It's those items that are are in housing that people like. I don't want to store it. I don't want to take it home with me over the summer. I'm just going to throw it away. So it's really thinking about. What are those reuse of possibilities thinking about where those things could go? How would we warehouse them? How we would transport them. I don't. We have some of my students to become a partner in that, but also I I don't want to minimize that there are, I think, to your question about azure. This materials there are toxic materials that get thrown away. and that is why, my, yes, absolutely. And I think that's a big fear that we haven't really articulated. There's the flood risk. But there's also the taxes. The issue in our inner waterways, and that's one of the things that's going to be thoughtful about as well. So I think tactics on how we can actually do those checks. How can we?

[82:14] How do we step up. What kind of volunteer would we, you know, could we actually tap into to do some of the spot checks? So it kind of thing that that will wrestle. Is that right? Yeah, I think you could really utilize the high school populations that are looking for it's holding up their credentials, for I know, like I was working towards, like the the customs over a 100 h or a year volunteer when I was a fine calling. And so yeah, I think we could utilize those. And then I would also be good learning to all, for if they wanted to go into any kind of like environmental services, dealing with ways

[83:00] being able to do it's kind of basically the least audit. Yeah, I think initially, we're not looking. We're not looking for people to actually dumpster dive and get in number this one the pic over a little cell phone shot, you know, just just to give us some to the and you mentioned safety concerns is that mitigated somewhat by traveling in pairs? Or I I would say yes, having done this many times personally. But then I don't even want to go into that. Yeah, I mean, there's the concern Just kind of some of the concern of people like You're on my property, and you're looking in my container, you would be shocked. How? That's me, Her final one It is, you know, outrageous. There is a concern about like you're working around materials that you know, and potential sharks. And so I think a little bit of training. Of

[84:05] what kind of ppe should they have on person, making sure they know what to do if they when they do a calendar. Yeah, yeah, I think a little bit of training. And yes, I like the idea of like the dumpsters are always in the same places. They're just some of those like really cheap, like $30 plan. some image data analysis. They do that in some cities with their like

[85:17] would potentially go to see you, and very on that, like knowledge. And yeah, we we we did that yesterday. We can certainly ask. I think that this is the I think it is unlikely that that will be successful, just as it adds, I mean, they're they're on their route. They get stuff to do because they're there. And to me, Why not? Right.

[86:07] alright, guys? Let's go. No, thank you. This is really eliminating for sure. and thanks for giving up your share the to your comment. Once we use your packets, how which is around, i'm creating c. Infection sites. So that's that's a that's working in the same legislature. Right? It's it's got enough. No model for sure. Yeah. I was driving CD home. I drive home and come back and

[87:09] make it work. It's going to be. hey? It's very quiet. Oh. i'll let you introduce it, or I can just take it away, or if you'd like, thanks, thanks, Mr. Chair again for the record. Jonathan Calendar, Director of the Common Initiatives, I I'll i'll note the time. I think we have as much time as we need for this item. I don't know that it'll take a long time. So just for your reference. The document that I would be referencing in your packet is very cleverly called multi forward working group description.

[88:05] So this was an attempt to just give you a high, level understanding of what's in motion right now, and I thought I would introduce the topic and the purpose tonight, and I think your task as a board is to, if you choose to a point a board member to serve on this multi working group, and this is a bit of a pilot. So there is an action item for you tonight. The action is either to a point, or if you can't, or you, if you, as a board, decide that you don't want to participate, that's an option as well, and in terms of process we can just kind of go through. I can talk about what it is, and then you all can be thinking about whether it's something you want to volunteer for, and if there are multiple of you that want to volunteer well, we can figure out how to deal with that you can arm, wrestle, and then we can flip a coin. However, you want to work through that process. so let me give you a little bit of a a background on this, because I think it's a result of a number of conversations. One that this board in particular has had in terms of what types of things come to the Board for discussion. And when does that happen?

[89:10] But that's a a conversation that's taking place in other boards as Well, so in a conversation with Maria I'm. Verified. Who is our city manager? One of the things that we started talking about is because there's so much cross-cutting work that takes place among boards, and let me just kind of take a sidestep here, i'm giving you an example of what I mean by that 150, you all, as the Environmental Advisory Board have the direct purview and environmental issues, yet we've been incredibly successful in other boards starting to look at issues from that lens as well. So it creates an interesting dynamic of what is the purpose of this group? And then how does that relate to other boards like transportation advisory board, who are looking at now very directly through the land of climate and resilience. Similarly with the Osbt, and that's a good problem to have.

[90:02] but it also kind of puts us in a really odd place in terms of function and role of the Board, and how we bring things to you, and when we' things to you. So one of the things that we talked about is trying to find some of these sticky, sticky, or ish sticky ish issues that are that are taking place within the city. That, I think have really good cross cutting need for conversation and and develop an AD hoc group, an AD hoc board. So a ski with the representatives from all the boards. and those representatives can kind of bring their unique perspective to that one particular issue. That representative would then come back and inform the rest of the board about what's going on. Get feedback, and carry that back in this. Isn't a a new concept. We've done this in the past with, say, the Greenways Advisory Committee, and some other things that happen. But the differences is, those are like review a budget and think about spending. This is more directly related to a a project, and thinking about the ongoing nature of that project. So, as we were thinking about this experiment, we have a small staff, including myself. Get together and talk about how important this really is, and let's try it. Let's see if it works.

[91:15] And we were looking at this concept, we realized that we actually had a project ready to go, that I that I think we all felt really fit the need, and that is phase 2 of of the Boulder Junction project. So a beef, a a a little bit of a background. If you're not familiar with the project, I'm going to give you just kind of a high level, I mean. You can ask some questions. I may not like to answer him tonight, and I don't know that it's super relevant for your decision, but certainly want you to feel confident that you're making a good decision as a board. So in 2,007 we completed the the T back, which is a transit village area plan. And so that is really the plan that lays out the long term future for Boulder Junction. That's 160 acre parcel. That kind of sits squarely in the middle of the city, bounded by thirtieth Pearl, Belmont, and Foothills Parkway, and so, as as vision it's always been intended to be. This mixed use pedestrian or into place where people live workshop play all of those things.

[92:13] So phase one was really a 10 to 15 year project kicking off in 2,004, 7, and we're near the end of phase one. And now moving into phase, 2 of that project. A lot has changed clearly since the that first phase, and we want to learn from that experience and carry that into the next phase. So phase 2 is really plan for the next 15 years, and there's some goals that are really driving this, and I can share the link. There's a great website on the city page that talks about the goals in the vision, and where things are going right now with t back part 2. So there are some regulatory changes. So, looking at land, use implications, talking about changes that we might want to consider around density other issues. What have we learned? How we didn't apply any of those regulatory changes moving forward in phase 2

[93:02] looking at the the plans, character districts, and looking at the guidelines that that really guide the development in that space. I'm looking at my notes because I don't want to miss any of these. These are important. Any other zoning or code changes that we that we need to be made to kind of development towards the plans vision. the second goal areas around public improvements, funding and phasing. So thinking about how we would look at the funding for those major infrastructure improvements, and this is a really interesting opportunity to look at things like, say, district energy or ways to to look at those core arterial services around transportation, multi mobile transportation, and some of those notes transportation demand management, so that the Tdm. Obviously something that our our Transportation Advisory Board will be looking at. But I think it's also squarely going to the purview of this board to to think about implications of transportation decisions that are making, that we apply the phase to

[94:02] the the fourth goal is really around this broad sustainability concept, and this is one that I think really deserves some attention, because things have changed so dramatically. Originally the first phase of t back was really looking at sustainability from that typical three-legged stool alliance, economic, social, and environmental sustainability. Now, I think we have the opportunity to start looking at some focus areas around climate, around resilience around equity. So some things that I don't think we're ever considered in the first round, and that's just the reality of where we were at the time. So to start thinking about the decisions that we make in the second part of the phase, and then a a big piece around engagement, working with stakeholders and implementation strategies, etc. So now that the ask is for each of the boards, and they are, I think I have them listed there about 8 or 9, maybe 10 boards. So older. Junction access, general improvement district for parking the District Tdm. Design Advisory Board, Eab Housing Advisory Board, Human Relations, Ospd. Open Space Board and Trustee

[95:08] Parks and Rec planning Transportation and Water Resources and the boards that we identified as having a critical role in this conversation. So your task, should you choose to accept it, is to a point one liaison from this board, and with the intention of really getting early feedback on, Are those the right goal? Should we revise those? How should we be thinking about this next base. I find it really exciting, because we're at the point right now in the project where we can modify, we can change, and we can talk to the community about. Here's what we thought. Is that still what we think we want to do in this space? Or do we want to modify that in some way. Let me just look. I think that is the gist. I'll just conclude by saying to me, it's it's both about the product, but also the process.

[96:04] I think we can do a much better job of thinking about these holistic projects, thinking about them comprehensively, bringing the the value that the boards represent to these kind of complex situations and in projects. So that that is it we need to let ner. You know of what this board decides whether you want to have a representative, and who that represented is by April 20 first. And so the reason that I started with you need to make a decision tonight is that this is a a decision you need to make while you're gathered as a body. You can't do this over email. So it would have to happen tonight. and then there'll be a kick off relatively soon, I would say. Probably in May and Candy S. Our planning Development Services department is gonna take the lead on this. Obviously this is a development project, but they would be the lead, and they are the ones that actually created this this document to kind of help guide the the conversation.

[97:04] So let me take any questions that you have. I'll try to answer them if I can, and then I turn it back over to you, Mr. Chair, and you can talk about which of you have an interest, and if you have an interest at all and make some decisions. Okay? Yes. Good question. I believe that they will probably try to. I was trying to see if it was listed on this document. I don't think it is great. I don't think it's gonna be a a huge lift. It's not going to be a once a month. Kind of thing. My guess is that it would probably consistent. And please Don't quote me this: this could change, i'm guessing probably 4 meetings or so over. Let's say 6 to 12 months. That's what I what I think I've been now. One of the things that that brings up is if you're not available for a meeting. Could someone be deputized to go in? Your said my, My guess is the answer is yes, it's it's on here, and also it will be identified to it. Thank you for actually reading the document.

[98:21] Yeah, there's yeah. yeah. It' be mistake tomorrow. Okay. I would like to. I think. is working group multiple something that we have been pushing for by a while now. So i'm really glad to see much you realize, and

[99:02] if there's a capacity for a team that's summarized. I report to you anything I could. I want to a decent job. So I just want to throw that into consideration. Yeah, it's great. I think it sounds fascinating. I don't have a chance to participate. Yeah, yeah. So I will that we want other people. I think it's a fantastic idea. And as a new board member, and they all have about getting the custom to, so I think. totally supported. I guess i'll put my head in the ring for an argument. Yeah. okay. Real season. Yeah. that's amazing. It's not like I expected you guys to debate it. But that that worked out really well, so perfect.

[100:07] Okay, so I will. I will let Maria know, and if you feel inclined to respond to her directly, I would encourage you to do so. Just so. Yup. If you do that, that's great. And then just let let her know that we do have an alternative identified as well. Then i'll follow up with her and and make sure she's aware of it. That decision, and the of course, the the minutes to work like that. since we may not be aware when those are happening. Is it possible to at least highlight when that is given the agenda, or given a meeting? Let us know the date, so we know. but we will have to talk about it in some capacity, for so, as you know, like I mean with heather a week prior to this meeting, and then we can discuss the agenda on any points that we went up. They may want to bring up. So what I will do is, if I have a meeting right, or this project at least put it as an item

[101:06] on the, and then we can discuss it sounds great. The only other requests that I would have as we go through this, what we're just driving as a pilot is for you all to like. Pay close attention to whether or not that it's working this kind of Cross Board concept. I I actually am intrigued by it. I think it could really work to start thinking about things that, and I should have started with this. I just want to be really honest with all of you. I think that we've missed opportunities with this board to to get input on some really critical issues, and I will just name them things like, See you South, I really did clearly things like boulderres. So things that I think are now starting to surface as these really tricky issues around density and around other environmental issues.

[102:00] I I think we're now starting to figure out, how do we start to position boards in a place where they can provide good feedback at a at a time, that it makes sense and actually influence this outcome. So that that's where I started the conversations with Maria, and that's where we led to this. Well, sometimes a big project like this. It doesn't sequence well, because you you want to take it to 8 boards. That's a year right there. So you kind of go through this. I mean, if you do them month by month. But this way we can kind of do it in real time, and work with the boards in a more dynamic. right? So I should start with a little bit of intent. But it's great to hear that. Yeah. okay, I think I'm: I'm. Also, if there's something coming out to city council like in the events a month prior that we know of, that could be environmentally related. It would be great to know about that beforehand as a board, and with other boards to like whatever

[103:02] for their board focuses on. If there's something that's pertaining to that that will come up to city council or the discussion. Yeah. maybe we can talk about the best way to do that. It what you just described it is, I think, an intent that i'm aware of the where we get a little bit stuck is you are an advisor group to city council, and so this idea that our our thought is, the Council would refer things to the Board when they want you to to weigh in. Well, they have 20 plus boards, and it doesn't really happen that way. So let's be honest. I think that we need to come into a little bit of a rhythm to say, and I would just I would, I would say, not a month, I think, a couple of months to be able to say We need to get something calendar if it's an item that you really want to discuss and take a position on as a body, and then represent that position to

[104:00] council. We need to back up that process, so you can have the conversation and figure out how you want to convey, and of your thoughts to them, whether it's in writing, whether it is showing up at the Council meeting, and that way we, as staff, can make sure. Whoever is the lead on that project knows you either need to brief this board you need to include their feedback into your staff Memo to council, or know that they're going to show up and present to council on that. So that's I think some of the the cadence that I I would really like to get into. So yeah, I I would like to sort of second, that I I feel like this board ends up long, and for it kind of get skipped over on a lot of projects that are very prevalent to the issues that they talk about, and any potential elements. I can't think that all the time I had any one thing that we have done is a board that has been, you know. had had a impact on what is going on in at council, and I think in this current day and age, with degree to which the environment is a crushing issue that needs to change. And I don't know what the best way to do that is. But

[105:07] yeah, and I, I said one month because i'm not sure how this cycle usually goes to when you decide to just something to counsel, unless they come to you and say we want to hear about this because it's like an emergency Issue came up really quickly. So, depending on how, what that schedule looks like. however, more in advance you need or can be able to. I'm: I'm sorry we've kind of hijacked the conversation. It's one of the old business, and all these because it's a less. Carolyn came on us for feedback only blowers and the Double digital Band, or the you know we have a. During my meeting with the other. I asked if we could be more in the loo on this the Central Council.

[106:04] because I don't like playing games of like broken telephone. You know, I wanna make sure that what Caroline was gonna put in that memo actually reflected what we discuss for, like, you know, over an hour. So Carolyn wrote to me yesterday yesterday afternoon gave me one, but I graph, you know it was most of this part of the memo. but she said she was not needed to submit it by 2 way tomorrow tomorrow. Okay. So I I send her back like she. I can share my screen, I guess. because I still have since it's tomorrow, some of them, too. So basically, you know, I I guess i'm going with. This is. I would like a little bit more time for us to be able to discuss these kind of items to make sure that it's, put in a manual that, and the presentation that goes to council reflects. Well. we've all these. We we feel that it's what we discussed. I don't like I I do something in the past where you know. but you happen with the the parking tickets a while back. I'm working downtown, you know.

[107:10] Stuff comes to us. Ask for questions. and then you kind of pull, you know, fall into the ground like I don't know like what what in the manual I don't know. I mean I will have to keep up with all the stuff that we cancel, you know, early attendees the Germany at home. So if if that process will be more convenient to for us, that'll be great. I mean, we'd be, you know, involved in the morning. That will. That'll be a deal for us. I I don't know if you guys tell us about that. But that's something that has about me for a while. Yeah. I mean a lot of that feedback we get. I feel like it goes into it sort of. They have an opinion on that. But it's like I I still haven't seen the mail like a central council of how you know which where is the

[108:02] I haven't? I haven't seen that. I it's like, you know. I think you you guys came to us to a super feedback, and I think you know I don't know it's like reviewing a recent try. I guess what i'm going for, but I I do wanna like Look at it, because it has our names on it, you know, like we, this is like what we the Board is trying to push for, and because my name is, I want to make sure that it's. Reflect what I what I think I don't know, like I haven't seen them. They love that by an old graph with memo, and I look by that a little disc. Well, let me just let me point out one thing so like totally hear you, and I think there is a way to do that. Boards do, and public does not get to see counts, and I most support those council. That that is, that is a just that is not an option that is, by Council's design. They get to see their memos before anybody does. Now that what that doesn't mean is that we can take out a chunk of that. And what should happen is to say.

[109:00] here is what's going to be represented in the memo, and it could just be the actual language to say, because there was a format in counts in council, memos, which is board and and commission, feedback, public feedback. And so it's organized in that way. And so we have a chunk that says Environmental Advisory Board. This item was taken, and then here's a summary of of the comments and and the thoughts that you had, so that material should come to you. You should see that before it goes into a meal to represent. Does that accurately reflect what you talked about? Or do you want to make any changes to that that's got to match up with the minutes? Of course you can't like change and say, Well, I didn't really want to say that I said this, but but I think we can work with you to say, what are the points that you really want us to make sure our? But they were really highlighting to counsel, and we can do that both in the memo. We could do that in in a presentation, but I don't want to. I don't want to set expectation that you can see your Council Memo, because this has been something that has cost a lot of a lot of controversy over many, many years, where public has seen council memos before they see it, and they don't like that very much, but like

[110:05] it is a member of the Central Council is based on the memo that we received last month by the yeah, that's correct. That's a that does a starting point. It's a starting point, sure. But I think the differences is for council as the policymakers. We then lay out. Here are the questions that we need to ask you as the decision makers, and it's a study session. So in a study session we say, you know. Here, here's what I ask you. We're going to present our data to you. Here is our recommendation, and within our recommendation we went out and did a whole bunch of things right with her to consultant to help us identify. What are the impacts to to the various alternatives, whether it's it's a regulatory, whether it's an incentive program. And then we say, and then we talk to to the Ab. And then we summarize. Here was your input and basically your Here's what they said to us, and that informs our recommendation to you Council. So that's what exciting we have the capacity to suggest changes on those

[111:07] more recommendations. Of course. Opinion, for example. I in that memo that we received that would like to see a little more citations. I mean there were a little statements about the amount of gas and the pollution with the all the sources, and it's like they like it to complain about that or like. and if I do it like, how do I know the there wasn't actually a the other points beyond the part that's just our word language. Yeah. But it's like, you know you. You don't need to ask for a or or opinion, I guess, or advice right. But what i'm nice reporting is like those little things. Those little details are that they are important. So there's like a little like I don't I I don't need to see it there by on My, but that's fine. but there might be little sections of it that it's like. Oh, this is a little more, a little more work, or you know more and more sources like this needs more data. Or maybe I don't know the little things that that, just being like a reflected in our comments, or or like whoever sent me that that paragraph that just be like a conversation like they just wanted to make sure that you knew we wanted to see more citations

[112:15] you like. Can you confirm that you have put more citations about actually? But they have, like the things like, what's the quality of the presentation for it. One of the citing have exciting, like some magazine that a research article like. you know, like when they But yeah, I mean. And then there's a great area there. What is like I don't know, if you like that, that a license or thing. you know, to be more developing also on the I i'm, i'm gonna push back on that. Because again you are. Advise your group to City Council. You are now that advis your group to staff. We come in and ask your opinion on on items the writing of memos, I mean.

[113:11] There's been a pretty strong firewall between like staff memos. Now what I I want to respond to your your request, and I think there are ways that we can do that. And so in this particular list it's like citations. If there was a memo that was sent to you all, and they were concerns with how that how the materials being represented, and I I mean, that's your per view is to then bring up those issues. When Staff brings those those conversations to you, you can ask those, and then Staff's role is to make sure that we are capturing, that I don't believe the piece that I think we can do better on. and and this is what you're getting at is making sure we're building in time to come back to you if when it we don't always have the time right. But but I think we can figure out a process to do that. to make sure that you are seeing what is being represented in in final memos as as about here, are your recommendations, and we can even go so far as to say there was comment about making sure that that any citation, any data that is being referenced is valid. It's statistically relevant. It's timely. I mean, those are the things that I think the rigor that you all need to bring to the conversation. All I'm suggesting is that there is a a separation between a staff memoir, because what'll have to happen is your

[114:29] the way you think about it may not be what the rest Board thinks. So we would have to come back and say, okay, what do you all think about the memo? And and that's just you know we I I don't know how we would do that. but but your conversation needs to be accurately cited. No question, and we can do. I think we can do better at that. Okay? Oh, just it. In reflection of everyone having limited time and ability to go back and forth between all the people involved. Would it make sense to you cited at least a couple of things that you had in the past that you would like to see in a little better

[115:08] would it be worth kind of providing a couple of concrete examples? What kind of the expectations of what you would like to see in future memos as a way to kind of have a little bit of it retroactive editing, or just a step, or something that needs the board's expectations without the back and forth, juggling for most of these people to at least close your back. It is a like that a heavy topics. There were some questions that I asked during the discussion that stuff in common. They they the data for and I know I mean I I i'm, i'm not sure if that data was included in the But we do. We have about one percentage. Or

[116:05] Carolyn said She's demanded that to be a Dan, but to her, on that 10%, which is really high, because, you know. So it's like, okay, but that there there will no follow up to that. And I still have the answer to that. Yeah, I don't know how that was. People like that. Yeah, I would like to, You know, some sort of like, you know. Follow up with that even if I don't want to see the man on this, you know, Pay, maybe. Is that a question of what you answer? Perhaps, and just emailing the personal process, for I will be in the or all those issues you know in between. That's tricky, because we have to have, like the actual public ability to participate if we have any more than quorum, because then it's discussing any issue, which is why we can't like respond to the emails we get through back and forth. But there is President, because, like a couple of years ago, when we submitted, or

[117:09] there to council, like my recommendations within, like a after the meeting. Edit where, like you know, Martin, when he was a chair. and Susan, if they were like editing the document with bread, and then we will go and get it it, and it was like a share file, which again we can see the mammals. But I mean there's President for collaboration outside the meetings. So I don't know, like what's yeah, they're also you can't make any decisions. those by. But yeah, yeah. it has to be like a level of like that. We have to be thoughtful to comment and say during that feedback there we would like right more information on this, and then we have to assume that we're all working together. It must be a level of trust that that comments going to be addressed right, because we can't go back and forth forever, and you can't see like 3. I think we have to have that like you make recommendations like hosted someday, you know, governing or whatever's for you they make the

[118:11] are you suggesting that this could use? If you think it's like that's a dumb idea, then you know, you decide that I don't want to. Yeah, so. But I mean, I don't know, like is that I don't know if it's a little bit of your area. But I would. I would like to kind of hear. Actually, we're bus 8. So I think it's a motion to It's in the meeting over there. Okay. yeah, I don't just throw that out there, because there's something that the feedback loo kind of has been bugging me for a while. Then I don't know if I send what it was so much what we can do about that to kind of close that gap. I think so. I I appreciate the the comment about some some examples, because because again, I think we need to

[119:04] troubleshoot a little bit and say, what what didn't work in the past? Where did we get it wrong and staff, and kind of making sure that we're representing the Board's position. There's another piece of the super which is your minutes, I mean, if you look at your minutes. I know that it seems really clunky. You're just like, yeah, for the minutes, but it's it intended to be a reflection of your conversation. And so a lot of times, what staff will do is they will both in real time, take your comments, make sure that they are hearing what you all are saying, both as a collective body, but also the individual comments of the Board members, and trying to make sure that those are representatives. We move this item forward, right whatever, whether it's a council item, whether it's a designable program, etc., etc. But in the memo Prep. I think that we can tighten up a little bit and make sure that we are looking back with you. Part of I I don't want to commit to doing it all the time, because sometimes time just is not on our side, meaning what I'd love to be able to do is make sure that if there is a recommendation or a representation of this body's thought that that's reflected. In minutes we can come back. We can come back to you with the following meeting, and just make sure. Is this what you said? You wanted to make any minutes to this, and do you want to have more conversation on it?

[120:17] And then we can make sure that. Yeah, we're all square. Okay, let's move forward. We don't always get that to bite at the apple opportunity. And so let's think together about ways to make sure that we're doing what you're saying, because i'm i'm not disagreeing or pushing back on the intent. I'm. I was only pushing back a little bit on the process. I think our answer is always been great. I mean, we've got very few other things. Yeah. And I think there is a specific concern. We have as like a group on on any memo that might be coming up, if that is reflected in the like. In the end of the board comments on the memo, the paragraph that we are about to see that that it says, like the a. B was concerned with this particular word, they wanted more situations, and that is actually included in the paragraph. And then, whether or not they, if they are more.

[121:19] you know, I know this hopefully done, but up to them. But then our comment is that is at least included in the memo that we were concerned with the citation. I know my bad because of that was part of the ignorance like I thought, you will be able to see the memo and I circle. I mean, get your feedback on it, and then they're like, oh, yeah, At that point I say, this will use the citation to post it there. I wasn't aware that we can only see that it won't so otherwise I would have early sending people earlier, or something, or mentioned earlier in the meeting. I I was thinking what it was that part partially my goal. Before we go on to share what I mean, I I still, I think I still have time to maybe ask Caroline to.

[122:02] I I like to show Caroline's in the show for the one part of your book stuff. Now what I kind of. What's the cable sending back this feedback, I greatly summarize our maintenance from last time. It's a little longer, but I like to hear your let me see. I might actually be able to do it. Or. yeah. you can see here. road to panelist That might have done it. Okay. all disabled and the screen sharing

[123:01] right there. Okay. there we go. but and I have it. I have a memo in front of me, too. that

[124:04] I know. Man I can use. Okay. they need to get zoom. That's an email that you can like just It's just some text that I things like easier. Let's see. Now, i'm in the position of like I am not an attendee to the meeting. This inside there is you should be able to to share your screen that your co-host and panelists. I did it. That's funny.

[125:06] I mean you can do that. That's hilarious. It's just a point screen. You need to shift the contrast in order to make it work. Still, it is what a Okay. So the one photograph that is included in the member right now. It says 5% and an update to the eab their march. First 1 2 3 meeting I'm. Pursuing a regulatory strategy at this time. Eab express concern about the high potential for it, as well as the readiness of electric technology for commercial applications. Yab recommended privatization of the location outreach also in the landscaping and maintenance practices for both property owners and service providers. Yeah, we also recommended for 30 for the study of the environmental impact associated with electric equipment into the reliance on battery technology. Finally, if we if you press interest in the potential for working local investment

[126:13] on the environmental footprint? Can I share with you? That's been updated? And it may have been in your communications with Carolyn so. but that was really good. But I was going through our meetings, and I think we there was a little more discussion, so as it is with Carolyn. I I I can think this because I don't. But I divided into 4 different groups, which was, that's that's exactly where that that's what it looks like now in the memo, and i'm going to see if I can just send this to heather and maybe open it up. or I could just send this to all of you to

[127:00] looking up for whoever watches this. There's a lot of people coming in public next session being like you something, and we can't see it. It's feasible. I would not that money, and i'm just if I If I was a better woman, I would not that any amount of money. How do you like it? Yeah, I I don't know. I don't know that I can do that, because then I would be going to be showing heather's email on the on the recording. I don't think I want to do that. Let me let me just say, could I just say it out loud, and and maybe i'll describe to what what has changed. So yeah, thank you. I think what you just described was an original kind of high level roll up, and and it sounds like based on your conversations.

[128:06] Same inter, you know, introductory paragraph. But during the Discussion Board members raised several concerns and suggestions, including, and it's broken down into 4 subject areas, first being a cost and equity concerns underneath that there are 4 points. High costs are transitioning to electric equipment, potential equity concerns and racial disparity among the landscaping workforce. Lack of an electric version of gas power blowers with the same weight to power, ratio, durability and efficacy, high cost of purchasing multiple electric blowers and or batteries. Second category, environmental impacts need to educate property owners and service providers on negative impacts of traditional landscaping, second potential for banning leaf blowers for all but 2 months of the year, or requiring raking before blowing. Third, significant environmental impact of commercial leak blowers on ozone levels. Fourth Need for further study of environmental impacts associated with electric equipment. Fourth, it's noise concerns

[129:03] possibility of removing Norris nori's ordinance exception for landscaping equipment, or allowing it only for electric equipment. Second concerns about neighborhood yards being left with leave litter issue of landscaping equipment primarily a noise concern or disguised as an environmental one. practicality of using the blowers on certain services or large areas. The possibility of local investment in pilots for emerging technology solutions or implementing a new incentive program for electric equipment adoption. And the fourth is customer costs suggestion that customers bear some of the cost of providers switching to electric as I and I took that from a minute. So we're going to the minutes. It's somewhere else that we points, and they, like, you know. Send that to Caroline. And okay. I would. I would just say to elaborate a little bit. There were 2 points, but that it was kind of like an overall topic that was addressed. But

[130:04] I couldn't quite understand the entire thing without going back to our minutes for the racial disparities. Part of it, I think it, I think and correct me if i'm on our discussion with with respect to cost of electric alternative and interaction with police and code enforcement. racial minorities collaborate with or connect with, the police or kind of enforcement. And then I think we were also talking about ranking before going specifically for smaller areas. We had a discussion on like huge fields, and that would take like hours. So it Castle saw that it might be confusing. As it was.

[131:13] No, I was. I was just gonna say, in terms of like high level of what happened in terms of, and I think feasibility to or desires. I I think that it would be great if anything, going into a Council memo that specifically cites us. That's just like if it's a paragraph, or like, if it's describing what we're saying, it will be great is once the wording for that is finalized. If that could just get sent to the eab, just you know, so that we can we enough time for it, right? So so that we can take it to get it. And I doubt that there would be any consistent issues, but just making sure that the things that we're saying that staff is transferred into council, that there is just. you know, because broken telephone does happen, and the minutes are mostly descriptive of what happens, but because of virtue of them being transcribed into minutes rather than a like complete transcript.

[132:04] there could be some like translation errors. Okay, and so just make like, so that we can see the the part that is specifically has our names attached to it. I think I think would be if if that is representative of the Board. I don't agree, because you know. in your own notes right? So it's like they're making it up in the minutes. So it's like another layer of like. for you know, for possible confusion. So yeah, I think Review. And as many people the finalized, for I think it's a good compromising, since, you know, since since you can't, and it is not feasible for us to go like cool, let's see that fun one that's going to counsel for it. Get sent to them. Cool. It's approved the entire thing that's ridiculous and not feudal. But if you know the things that are specifically us, saying that it's been transcribed and then translated, and that you're transcribed. Thank you for bearing with us through this little conversation because it's it's it's a lot. And I know you're newly taking on the role of being a

[133:10] and and your your requests are totally just fine. Yeah. So if we're ready, we can move on to. There is a roll of program training, and they have. They already signed the email up for them line. So I managed to be good on that. Just know that in your inboxes I if you want to. i'll leave her meeting there the next day we meeting the schedule on my third 6 Pm. And we will join the meeting. We're going to stick with them for some. Yes, and based on tonight's we've come back to this room. We're not coming back to this

[134:01] there, you know. Yeah, no. What I think Heather and I talked about is just making sure probably, what what I what I think we will do is go over to the Tape Municipal Building that there is a room over there that is set up for zoom. Much better. 2, 6 good size. Good. So yes, we will want you to. You want to get on. We we can make. We can make that effort. There. Thank you all. Hang on. I just need you to sign the that's maybe this has something to do with me. Maybe it's it's not a good fit. No public or conservation. I strive to predict every meeting. I think

[135:01] I know I know you didn't have.