May 3, 2023 — Environmental Advisory Board Regular Meeting

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[3:06] Yeah. there we go. That should have fixed it. and we're back all right. I'm. We're ready for item 2. Okay. The first thing will be We need to amand the minutes. So we're already submitted. Right? He there correct. So in the original original minutes that were submitted. It said the basically the meeting was started by Mike because he was a previous chair, and that was being updated. But so I guess you said, and so I guess it's motion to amend the meetings to quote my name. Is there also be an option to approve the minute system, and if you agree that to the embedded version, yeah, yeah. And then the second being that there's comment of identify, You see, you read to, if you're just something. It's a on the page. So yes, so the 3 inches

[4:16] my name twice, and that's and it's time for the minutes. Okay. Then we can move on to public participation. We have Jen Riley joining us. However, I do not see their hand raised. So. Jenna, you do you want to participate? Please indicate so by raising your hand it goes right. 10 you to be able to unmute yourself, and you'll have a 3 min speed. Yeah, it just took a second to get the unmute. I apologize. So i'm Jen Riley with code enforcement. I was just calling in today to update you on our new trash requirement. It's not a different requirement, but it's a different punitive process

[5:10] that allows for civil citation over municipal summons into court, and just kind of introduce the fact that we're gently rolling that out. It's not an all or nothing kind of start, and any questions that anybody may have, they can certainly direct it towards my department, and we can clarify anything for anyway. That's that's about it. Sorry. Thank you, Jen, for calling in, and I find that I just had a question, Did you say that if somebody is in violation that they would be called into court. so our previous system is, we would write a municipal summons which would require a court date.

[6:02] our new way of doing it, which just passed in March. It was codified in March. It passed in February, allows for civil citation where it's. It's just a fine. And if you want to request a court hearing, because you disagree with that finding of the inspector or the process. You can request that, but you're not required to it, and it's a civil penalty instead of a criminal penalty. So it's, decriminalized. and this is for weeds and trash violations. Yeah, okay, Thank you so much for It's alright, Thank you. Jed. Yeah. And let me just double check. Make sure nobody else is here, and that is everybody. somebody. So Jen am I. I think i'm correct in saying that it's like it, since it was in one of the agenda was that she was about to 12

[7:04] last time about the trash requirements that have changed for the hill. You want me to pull back up so you can ask for a question. We ready to move on to item for ae by rebate program, update on that layer in. Now I have your slides ready to go, but I didn't know if you wanted to t it out. I was a little conversation, but you know, when you're ready for the slides. Sure, Thank you, Leather, and thank you. Everyone for having me. I am the policy adviser for energy utilities for the City of Boulder, working in the department of climate initiatives. Amongst many things, I I spent a lot of my time thinking about the electrification of mobility.

[8:02] And so that is why i'm here today one of those. One of the components of that among many is micro mobility and thinking about E bytes. So we are. The city is in the process of developing an invite incentive, and i'll talk a little bit about that in would certainly be happy to take it questions afterwards as well. Are there any introductory questions or anything else I need to cover first. Yeah, thanks, Matt. If it's okay with the board. I just wanted to add a couple of other just introductory comments. Not because I need to, Matt, but I just think it might be helpful in some context setting. So this idea of a new bike about your incentive program is something that city council has been thinking about for about a year. It's come up at their midterm discussion. They call every retreat, but it was a check in, and a number of Council members expressed an interest in moving forward and thinking about what that would look like, largely based on what they've seen occur in Denver to think about. Should we do the same thing? How do we want to design a program that is really focused on getting the ebtes in the hands of people that can use them most. And I think this is something that will go into and talking about how it's been designed.

[9:15] And so we were kind of fast tracked. One of the design criteria. That council really wanted to make sure we were considering this. How do we get this program launched this year. And so it's meant pulling together a request departmental team between transportation climate and issues, finding the funding to actually make it a medieval program that's a big part of it. And then working with a program designer and an implementer to actually manage the program on our behalf. They kind of web based applications, and then figure out how to give those factories out in there. There's a lot of program design, I think, really proud. We are all really proud of what we put together in a very short time frame. So tonight this is one of 2 presentations we'll be presenting to tab the Transportation Advisory Board next week, I believe Matt.

[10:03] Monday. Monday, and so our hope is. This is wanted to just give this this item to the board to to see what you think about it. We don't have a lot of opportunity to change a lot of the design it to hit some of the dates where we can get bikes in the hands of people that need them most this summer. So we'll talk about the timing, but know that we've been working really hard to get this out, and this is exciting. You're the force forward to to see this and look forward to hear your comments and feedback. Thank you, Jonathan. I think. Heather, you can t up the slides. They're ready. I don't think I can see them, but it's probably not necessary. so you can let me know when the slides are up. So my screen doesn't get stuck again. Perfect time to start great. And yeah.

[11:03] So at well, the slides are team up. As John, you mentioned we. I've been thinking about this for for the better part of the year, and this this: this is an effort to expand access to you bikes very broadly. That's the primary intent program. This is the partnership between transportation and mobility and climate initiative, and really a primary goal is to better understand the demand and impact that you, bikes and boulder, especially as we see by consent, is become more prevalent throughout Colorado. Obviously the Denver was, was very well publicized and highly effective last year. and I think you may see other initiatives from State and and so forth. But this is something that we wanted to focus in boulder, and, as John said, really to launch as quickly as possible. So we've really had this Cross departmental team focus on doing just that next I in the they they are they? Okay, this second slide?

[12:07] What's up? I'll trust it. It's it's frozen on my screen. So what is it like? The bike is an electric motorized bicycle that's pedal assisted. It is intended to create a more accessible way to cycle through tougher terrain to travel further distances, maybe to carry larger items. Potential benefits are to reduce emissions depending on the types of vehicles and modes of transportation that you're swapping out and to increase personal savings, particularly when we replace car trips with you by trips. And then there's certainly health benefits of pedal, your bicycle, and just in general turning car trips and more enjoyable bike rides. There are 2 main types of invites that we'll be providing and for a standard General e-bite that looks very similar to just regular pedal bike and each hardware. So the general bikes are different. Meeting work or school getting around town in the cargo bike you could use to transport kids or pets, or groceries, or even larger items that you may have seen people telling around town in in the cargabytes, so we'll have. We have separate incentives for each type of like

[13:15] which you next slide, please. So the way that the program is gonna work is if you are interested in an e-bite function. You apply online to a web port on the we are developing. I think the Jonathan deleted to, and that will enter you into a random selection for more the limited number of users that are available. One reason we did this. We saw pretty significant demand in Denver, and we wanted to avoid a situation where in which someone you pretty much had to, you know. Sign on at 9 am. On Monday morning and Click enter. And you know, those are the fastest interconnections Internet connections we get in.

[14:00] We get the answer. So instead, there'll be a random selection, and if you are selected. you receive a voucher. You take the voucher for an upfront, a purchase discount on the sale price of the qualifying. There'll be a pre-approved participating border at bike shops. They will accept about your and then there'll be a reimburse by the city for the discount and and sale. There are 4 different categories that I think you can see on screen for the categories. There is what we call a standard income, generally bike. and the standard income e cargo by and separate incentives for income qualified general invites and qualified targets. The amounts for each category are based on the success of the Denver bike and center. Program the income qualified about your recipients love the option. You see the starter tick, voucher as well to purchase safety equipment, such as how many it's child seeds by clocks, high quality by. but the incentives will vary based on that

[15:02] based on those different amounts. Next slide. So, as I mentioned, to receive about your city boulder residents will register the complete and online application process, and then, if you randomly select it, you'll have approximately 2 weeks roughly to complete the application that'll provide time for technical issues, questions to the answer to determine what type of about you you like to apply for, and to receive any other necessary assistance prior to the due date of the application. When the due day to rise, we'll conduct a random selection for you. Bounce your category. To identify would be awarded the limited number of those who receive a voucher and then finalize their application, upload their proof of all the Residency. If you receive any qualified voucher. There is a there is a income, qualification, process, and documentation that is necessary as well. Once the recipients verify, they receive the voucher and be able to select a list of approved bon their county bite shafts which purchase their email.

[16:04] As I said before, this, this is a point of sale voucher meaning voucher Recipients will receive their discount when they purchase e bite, reducing out pocket costs city staff, who's worked with community cycles and a focus group of all accounting by chaps to ensure this process will work smoothly. The bite shops understand it already. and hopefully, we will be able to implement that in a pretty clean way. We're planning on 2 release States for the vouchers likely in July and September. The first release will be about 200 bouncers, evenly split across the 4 categories. The purpose of this is the gauge interest in the incentives for each category, just as needed for the second release. We will certainly maintain a minimum number of inqu into call tide vousers and work with several community partners to ensure those in our community. The most need for financial and technical support can participate in the voucher application process. Next slide, please.

[17:01] So here is the web address to find more information about the e-bite incentives, City staff still working and building out the application system, and we'll be updating our upset with more detailed information about the application process related from public later in the spring. We'll also be sure to share a public what's available to you, and ask for you to help in distributed through your channels by your Board members. When the time comes and we are available to your questions. That's just a a couple of additional points. One thing I wanted to make sure that you're aware of. If you happen to look ahead in your materials, you would see that you were provided some Csc. Agenda topics. That city council be discussing. One of those is actually 3. P. It's: a preliminary look ahead for a meeting on May actually, tomorrow night. I just want to make sure you realize that those are separate things that the Council has been discussing you bikes on open space in at all. So it's not necessarily connected to this voucher program.

[18:07] The other thing that I wanted to mention is the survey that Matt mentioned. We really want to understand the behaviors around the bike use. So Matt made the really important point about. There are been a lot of assumptions about emission reductions, Bmt reactions. and the assumption that you're getting out of a car and on to a bike. This program is really about accessibility. And so we want to understand what is the primary mode of transportation that that the voucher applicants are actually using. Are they on a bike right now, and they're going to when you buy? Are they getting out of a car on to anybody or they? I probably take a bus or walk. So we want to understand that impact. And from that will happen data that will show us the overall kind of pollution route of production impacts and any mission impact. So that's really important for us. That's why we want to be able to do some of those surveys. The other thing is, this is the first phase. And because again, the word Matt use that's really important is accessibility.

[19:10] So thinking about putting money into vouchers for people to get on to bikes is really important, but we also want to talk about other modes to create accessibility. So one of the things we talked a lot about as a team is looking at putting money towards expanding our current b cycle program. And can we just put that in neighborhoods in and give out either income qualified or free subscriptions to be cycle. So now you don't have to own a bike, but you have access to like, so that's the next phase. If we start to think about how we can support some of the bike store rich opportunities in certain neighborhoods, because again, big issues that have come up for us is expensive bikes going to income qualified residents to make sure that they know how to maintain them. They are clear and feel comfortable and safe by taking them to buy chops.

[20:00] They know what to do if it gets stolen. So those are the kind of things that work with our residents to understand a little bit. but at the same time you want to watch the program again. Learn as we go, so I will stop there those those will be cycles and those I have a question. Yeah, thank you, Matt, for that presentation really really helpful. How are you deciding on kind of the income qualifying? And are there kind of scale versions for individual versus household or number kind of per family? Good question. So the way that it's set up to qualify for the income qualified voucher. It's a household, and it needs to be at or below 80% of the area meaning in income as defined by the I guess, is the Housing and and Development Department, the Federal Housing and and Urban Development Department.

[21:03] So I, you probably the easiest way to look at that. You can actually Google, that and see what the number is for. and that will give you a sense of if your household income is addable of that that number that 80% of the area medium income. Then you call sign for the for the Thank you. I have a second question. Yes. How do you plan to get the word out about the program? The incentives, you know. I I know I heard about the Denver program, and after it had already started. Yes, I guess. How do you get the word out to the community? Yeah, it's a good question. So we have a pretty comprehensive communication strategy. It will certainly rely on where the mouth but we have, you know, city press releases and city website. Ideally, this will be picked up in media.

[22:05] We have social media presence as well. And then there's I don't know the exact number. I think there's the bike shops are still forming up, but there is at least 10, I think, that are like pretty well committed at this point, and so they certainly have an incentive to load as well through their networks through their marketing and say, Yes, we're participating in, you know, in this program comes here by selection and so forth. But yeah, the city communication department has that kind of multi- approach. We've also contracted with Kennedy cycles to do a bunch of the the heavy lifting on some of the outreach. They have a a better better visibility into some of the community that we want to reach. We also working with our community connectors on the city's community connectors, as well as those organizations that help us reach. Like all our housing partners, for example, working with our other organizations like on the tests, collaborative, and flows on the Cu to make sure that we're really hitting. So it's not just looking at ways to reach the traditional listener. But how do we really make sure that we're reaching the people that we want to make it better.

[23:13] Okay. I have one more question. Yeah. Is there a way to apply for the pasture without Internet access. Is there like kind of a a partnership with the libraries to try to provide a way to find for voucher? Yes, we talked about the ability to your paper application and wasn't gonna work. So I think we will be like, for example, part name of the library and have relationship with the community connectors to made the application possible if you don't have. Internet So if you access, if you're not in that literate, you can. Still. this will be able to participate.

[24:05] Yes, I have a comments, and then a half big question. So hoping I can fully bake it by the time. But I would just like to say a big thank you to council and staff for kind of adopting this. Learn and adapt as you grow kind of strategy, because I think. especially when we're in a climate crisis, we really need to just start doing things and adapt to make it better as we go along. And you know it. There is already precedent for a program like this in Denver, and there's already some data from there. But it is still a relatively new thing, and Matt, and that knows advice or relatively new technology in the first place. But I thought.

[25:01] yeah, I just like to say a big thank you for that, because I I think that's a step in the right direction. The question I had was more about the survey, and how or I guess I could I could frame this as an open-ended question, since it's half baked. But how do you plan to optimize participation in the survey is for the surveys going to be sent out relatively soon after people get the E-bikes or along after usage. and are there any incentives to do the survey. Yeah. that Western today. Don't know that I have the answer to the top of my head, but to my notes here, but also the Jonathan knows I could share it just a little bit. This is it's a it's a great question. Slash comments, so it's not at all.

[26:01] In in fact, it's really important. If if we want to utilize that data to make modifications to the program. We need to make sure that people are giving us accurate data. So we started thinking about? Are there actual legal ways to ask some questions as they apply for the voucher? So we this is still in motion. We're we're understanding the legality of whether or not you can require somebody to give you that information in order to give them. So there is. There's a little bit there. Could we ask like one or 2 questions to understand mode shift. That's that's a big one. And then to your second question, I obviously incentivizing participation is a huge one. So yes, within the budget we've built in gift cards the ability to make sure that people are filling it out. And right now we're kind of massaging the kind of questions you know. There's there's a sweet spot in the survey. Can't do too many questions, but you've got to get good data back. So we're still working on a little bit of that. But incentives absolutely thinking about. Can we make it the about your convention on giving us some of that upfront information.

[27:10] or you could also make it optional. Right? Yeah, that's the answer to the questions like requiring them to answer it in order to get the voucher. But yeah, that's that's one of the or questions with written answers. Or do they tend to be, you know, on the scale of one to 10 or yes No, are they? It's kind of survey participation in different ways. Yeah, I think that's in program design a lot of times. It's like which one which one of these modes of transportation do you typically use like are for us other E. By. So I think we're kind of working. The great thing is that aptum is the program facilitator, the Denver use. We are also using them. So they have a lot of background. They work the survey for Denver. They have a lot of experience in this type of programming, so working with them and community cycles to say what's relevant to us? What's the right format to ask those questions. And how do we make sure it's good rich data

[28:16] is this: through the curve folder, or it will be on a separate website. No, it'll be completely separate. but final, or maybe not final comment. But since we're talking about the survey and data, is there any attempt at garnering data from the bike to work day of data pool that they collect, and it like, is there any overlap there of use full information that could be cleaned. My guess is, yeah, I I think that's a great suggestion, any and all opportunities to to kind of plug in to what's already being done. That's a really good idea. The survey is only open. The people who

[29:03] I don't think that's yet determined. My guess is that we would probably want to get information from anybody that wants to apply and ask probably different questions to those that actually do get the voucher, because we do want to follow up with them and say, You know what? How, how have your behaviors change now that you have this 5? What are some pain points? Do you find that it's difficult to maintain. So I think we're still kind of working on that back end of of gathering information from the participants. But I think it's a really good point that we should probably get in intel or information for anybody. But why are you applying to get this out? That's a good suggestion, but I think that's what we had to do. But i'm a little. Yeah, it's a really good question. Sorry I don't know if you guys already mentioned that, how many vouchers are there in the first. In the first, after you school it'll be 200 browsers, equally split between the 4. The standard kingdom called by standard

[30:04] cargo standard and them qualified standard. And then we can adjust that based on Oh. well, based on interest in the second for like a 100 Umhm. Right? Yeah. One of the things that we did learn from Denver is well in other programs. Since you have to have a fair amount of money to make it successful, Denver put in a good chunk of money. We've seen some other communities throughout, like $5,000, and it goes that goes like that so we actually applied a a good chunk of our climate funds. So we're spending 500,000. That's the money that we're using for it had to be large enough that we can have a significant impact. Do I see it? We didn't feel like it. Was this all of the money for the voucher is coming from the. And then we had additional monies that we had to allocate for the program design and working with that for the rest of the program.

[31:06] I mean. which, you guys. That's cool. Well, thank you, Matt, for a really good presentation. The program is. It's really that much of the really. So thank you. Thank you. I feel appreciated with with any more questions. Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Pat. Thank you. Have a good night. We we will plan. We'll plan on coming back to the board once once we start to have some information for going, and we love to come back and and share that with all of you, maybe think about how we want to refine and and grow and modify the program. So it'd be great to come back and say, here's what we found out. What does that tell us? Should we do this each and every year? Should we change the amount of money? Should we change the way we we offer the vouchers. So I haven't seen this again once we get on.

[32:07] I know like something I should I mentioned. Now will it be possible to the the application website, or somewhere, like just and the bike. It's $400 enough to buy the bike that I don't kind of want to to buy like it's when you go to university cycles or something on the website, and then there like, When will you find? Does it like? No, it's so different on the for the second slide. You've got the yellow bike with you to the back. But there was another one that was like, more like a yeah, like a card with the fraud. So it's really actually, I just totally like if I wanna buy one. Do you just go to university cycles and see what they sell. Or. yeah, so what will happen is the right now. We have 10 bike shops, and this is Boulder County, so you can purchase from any vice shop in Boulder counting. They'll be listed on the website. There'll be that contact. You can go into our portal. You can see what their inventory is. Okay, so you can say I. You know I I want something that is, I want the

[33:10] extra cycle with with the banks on the side, or I want the cargo upfront, because i'm gonna take my kids to school or I'm just gonna do my grocery shopping, or I don't care about that. I just wanna I mean bike. So there'll be a You'll be able to see that inventory by bike shop if you want to. If you actually want to do that kind of shopping online, or you can just go into the shop. And but the departments will be listed. Yes. So you're all I want. Okay, cool. I guess it already. Well, my well, no, Matt still here. But I have another question if we could. Oh, hello! I just thought of another question. If we do have some kind of optional or non optional survey based on the legality of asking questions at the

[34:04] application phase, could we? Somehow. Yeah, I don't. I don't see why there would be any legal restrictions to doing this. But could we somehow prioritize those people who say that they would be moving from like a gasoline to an E bike. If we're already going to be asking that. I think that's tricky. I see what you're getting, and I like the the thought behind it the 2 ways that you can offer these out. It's not a first come for serve, and we didn't like that because it it. It then suggests that you get online. And I happen to be at a computer when this is released, and we learn to some like a sales out in 6 min. That is not a fair way to reach the people that we want to reach. So that's why I need a a sweet state. They call the sweepstakes rather. I call them a lottery like.

[35:02] When you go in the river you put your name in, and you wait to see if you get drawn. So there is a particular legal structure to that sweepstakes technology that doesn't give anybody kind of a you you you're not selecting one group over another group. It's like randomized across everybody that applies. so I I guess it's worth talking to them about. They they they know this. They work at this number one. How would you do it? How do you make sure that people aren't gaming in any way? I don't know. That was the obvious question that I had in my head. How how would you know that people are not that lying on a survey just to get they need by, because they would say that they're gonna transition away. But or or maybe maybe there could be like we could somehow. Oh, yeah. 400 is divisible by 5 we had, like a fifth option for people who are specifically going to switch from gasoline our vehicle to you, Bike, or even like from a motorcycle.

[36:14] I like this this idea that we think about the phase 2 because I think we can gather a lot of information from this first days and help like, Wow, we we didn't get. We hardly got anybody that was just kind of shipping from a car at the like, so maybe we need to think about a different structure to be incentive to to get the behavior there. Yeah, I think that was my concern. You got like very quickly, Thanksgiving. I wouldn't say that I know a lot about what's going on under there. Never any bike program. But I I think there were some statistics saying that most people were transitioning from a regular bike to you, like, yeah. Okay. Which is actually increasing electric load. It happened in our

[37:02] Yeah. Okay, good comments. Thank you, Matt. I guess I have a 2 year old and an I'm. A. Oh. have a great day. Thank you. Okay. So let's just move on to the next item the that's interesting. Hi, everyone. I'm Ben Katz Moses. I have some slides here that I would like to share. Yeah, and you want to introduce yourself. Are you gonna do that in your slides? Yeah, I'm gonna do that and just let me get them up. How do I can introduce myself now, I've been cats. Moses I'm. The sustainability data analyst for the Climate Initiatives Department

[38:01] and i'm here today to talk about a consumption based emissions, inventory or consumption based. So while he's doing that, if if the Board can indulge, I I can't. You know i'm gonna do this. Sorry I I don't know you. I just really wanna appreciate Ben. He's I don't I don't remember how long now are you at your year? And I got one day 3660, congratulations! Well, my point is to that. Ben is relatively new to the department, and it's really fantastic. So he's brought a really interesting kind of thought leadership to how we think about calculating not just our emissions, but and he's leading a a bunch of work in our department around our impact. So impact is different than just metric tons of carbon impact has a lot of qualitative and quantitative benefits in terms of the work that we do. And so he is really bringing a lot of thought in terms of how do we actually capture the impact

[39:11] and and part of what we've talked about? And I think I don't recall if if any of you have been on the board long enough. There was some discussion. Gosh over well over a year ago, maybe a couple of years now to talk about this shift to consumption, based inventories that fully capture what it is we're doing. Why, we're doing it. And And that was a real challenge, I think, to have that conversation with city council, because the initial thought as well, our inventory actually numbers go up, but it's a more honest way of accounting for the goods and services that we are consuming in our community. Things command where they go. So Ben is just been really a a true champion and a great thought leader of this, and he sits on a lot of different committees and and panels nationwide that are really starting to think about the cutting edge. Work around consumption based indoors.

[40:00] All right. There you go. I about you some time. Alright. Thanks. A in our my slides up. I okay, Great. So yeah, like, I said, I'm, I'm: our sustainability data analyst on the climate initiative team and a a big part of my work is to work with the consultants who put together our greenhouse gas inventories. And so this talks can be a little bit overview of our community greenhouse gas inventory which we've been doing for a while. And then this new consumption based emissions, inventory, which is going to be released hopefully sometime this spring or early summer. So all again, i'll give a little bit of an overview of our current inventory that covers our community. Talk about what embodied emissions are, and some history about our work to date in understanding those and then get into. So what a consumption based inventory is, and actually share some preliminary results.

[41:02] so feel free to jump in and ask questions at any point, but i'll just keep going and give a high level overview of what these things are. So we're all on the same page. So the type of inventory we've done historically is, some people call it a geographic inventory or a sector based greenhouse gas inventory. and these are inventories that measure missions produced by their economic side sector. and they also include emissions that are associated with the electricity consumption that is generated outside the boundary, but consumed inside the boundary. and and I probably won't refer to missions much in terms of the scopes. But it's helpful to think about it in these different categories. So scope one emissions and scope. 2 emissions are those that are covered in a sector based inventory. and those are scope. One emissions are released into the atmosphere as a direct result of activities inside the the boundary, so like driving a an internal combustion engine around

[42:09] scope, 2 are released into the atmosphere often outside the boundary, as electricity is generated. so if you drive an electric vehicle around town, the emissions associated with the driving really was produced outside. Both of those types are included in our current inventory. And when we start to talk about consumption we're typically covering scope 3 emissions which really get into the upstream and downstream emissions of buildings and products, good services. But these can occur anywhere in the world. So our existing inventory, our community inventory follows a global protocol for community scale, greenhouse gas emissions. This is really a robust framework that everyone follows. and it allows you to calculate. It tells you how to calculate and report a city? Y.

[43:04] We've been doing this for a long time. The first greenhouse gas inventory community. Why, that we did was in 2,005, and it became an annual process in 2,015, which is also the year we start following the global protocol. And as time goes on, the methodology changes, improves, data sources approved. And so we're actually including more sources Now, today, then. historically, so each year increases in that sense. and in 2,021, which is our most recent inventory. It's just a little snapshot of what things look like a very high level. but stationary energy plays a big role. That's electricity and natural gas. I mean, transportation is is sort of the the other big component here. Most of that's on road, but we also track aviation fuels as residents of Boulder

[44:01] fly for their own personal reasons. Over time the missions have trended downwards. They've dropped 15 since 2,018 and 32 since 2,005. Although the brid is has gotten substantially cleaner over that time, I mean, it still remains the largest source in the and I think what's an interesting point to make here is that waste is also a waste. Management is really something we do track in this inventory it makes up only 2 of total emissions. which is really an interesting thing, because it it tracks we waste, manage it, but doesn't talk about the scope, 3 emissions. and sometimes these are referred to as body emissions. So what we're all the emissions of the things that wind up in our waste stream. And so i'm gonna shift now to kind of talking about the meat of the presentation, which is understanding and and tracking and body emissions

[45:07] which are in in the things that we consider. and so embodied. Emissions are emissions that are associated with materials and construction processes throughout the entire life. Cycle of buildings, goods, and services, so imagine. and starting to track missions as soon as raw materials are extracted all the way until they wind up in the landfill or recycled. There are a lot along the way. And typically and I think one of the questions is, how much do they matter? So this is a breakdown of household emissions looking at their supply chain. And so, typically, when we think of emissions, we may think of cars, tail pipes, things emitting the tail pipes.

[46:02] But it turns out there's a lot of emissions associated with the production, the transportation, and the sale of those items as well. Even a quarter of a missions of of vehicles. Transportation occur in those phases, not in the actual usage. and it's even more. That's even more glaring, something like food. We're almost the entire amount of emissions are embodied before we ever consume food itself before it ever arrives to us. So they really do matter a lot. and Boulder has a history of actually trying to understand this. In 2,019 we worked with the consulting firm out of Amsterdam called metabolic. and they they really did a study into how circular Boulder was covering 2,018 data. And so when I say circular, i'm talking about called Circular economy. And so that's the idea of

[47:02] a a system where you know the raw materials. Try that. We try to keep them in the system. but it their study, looked at at these materials and said, okay, how how many measures, or how much material, flows into boulder and out. So they did this via site, visits, interviews, lots of research and analysis. and came up with estimates for the mass of materials, if they they flow into boulder and out. But this really doesn't track emissions. Things that that are very large in mass may not have large missions, things that are very small, and mass can have very large missions. But there were a lot of interesting findings. There were hotspots and areas of opportunity in this report, as we start to think about what a circular circularity mean here in Boulder. and one of the big quotes that come from the port from the report is that the size of embodied emissions

[48:02] is larger than all local sources of emissions put together. That means that even a small change in circularity can have an enormous effect, an overall impact. And so that's really a big statement, and it leads us to start thinking about what to do with this type of information. So I I From that report some key. Take takeaways is that circularity? It's really an essential climate strategy. I think our department shifted from thinking about waste management 0 ways to really a systems change approach around consumption. And And really, since the report is not not an actual inventory missions and rather materials. there's a need to better understand the activities, behaviors, and what's being consumed to to better understand what? Well, where to target future solutions.

[49:03] So so enter the need to to actually produce one of these consumption based emissions, inventories. So just to define what these are, These are greenhouse gas inventories, tracking emissions, associated with products and services. So tire. We sorry. Was there a question. It's really zoomed in. I'll continue on. But this this is tracking the entire life cycle of emissions. So the production, transportation, usage, disposal. And again, these emissions they get occur anywhere in the world, but they have to be the result of that residential activity. And I really like this image. They just came from Oregon. but it really shows that these 2 inventories, while they're different. They track a lot of the same things, and they provide a lot of differences as well.

[50:05] So just to give you some examples of what's of what might show up in a consumption based inventory that's not in our sector base inventory. you know. Think about the energy use to heat our homes. We track that in a sector based inventory, and that's also included in a consumption based inventory, but not the energy or the emissions associated with creating a The same goes for food, goods, and services, You know we we don't track much of those at all in a sector based inventory. and those will start to show up this. You may have seen this article in the New York Times. I think it came out a couple of months ago, maybe a little bit more. but it it was done by the cool climate network which is out of Uc. Berkeley. and it it used the consumption based approach

[51:02] to provide these incredible maps that show the relative nature of consumption in various neighborhoods. And so you could zoom in and all over the country, and look at different cities and say, You know where our emissions per capita higher than lower? What are the what are the key factors that indicate that the key takeaways that they talk about in the density is is correlated with lower it higher, higher, dense, or dense neighborhoods tend to be more walkable, lower car ownership and lower per capita missions. and also in there the wealth correlates with higher consumption and higher emissions. and so we're under way. Okay, excuse me. we're under way, producing a consumption based emissions, inventory. We're working with a company called Eco Data Lab.

[52:00] And actually they're the same people as the cool climate network. So we're seeing very similar information. and their approach is to take a national consumer expenditure survey which talks about what people buy and layer in census data and local data and have these key characteristics that they can use to model things in the consumption category. So it. It takes an account household income, so the size of the household, the size of the our homes owned the vehicles to the house, just the household app and educational. And this is a really great approach for us on our end. It's a it's very feasible. We don't have to provide tons of local data, and we quickly get back really useful information about these consumption categories and subcategories. And i'm going to talk about that information in this in a second.

[53:02] But it does have some drawbacks kind of thinking about it, which is that because it's demographic focused. we can't, Really. we can't really change the demographic variables. So policy, new policy behavior changes, infrastructure technology. If those happen to change consumption, they may not change this demographic variables. So we'll need new approaches that we are trying to track those changes looking for. So we have some preliminary results. We don't have a final report, so that everything you see from here on out is preliminary, although it's quite interesting. There, I have a picture on the next slide, the same picture. That's a little bigger of this, and it's hard to see. But when you look at the total footprint that's covered in this inventory it, and again we we have up to 2,019. If you want to your souls

[54:02] when we release the final report, it'll have through 2,021. But there are 2 million metric tons of Co. 2 or Co. 2 equivalent city wide in the consumption basis. Our 2019 community inventory had 1.7 metric times. so it's covering a good bit bigger amount of emissions. So we're seeing a lot of new sources which is to me indicates really new and useful information. Again, I want to remind you there's a lot of over. You know. This this contains a lot of overlap. It has a lot of new stuff, and it doesn't. Cover everything that i'm currently doing so. They're both very. and we're seeing. Excuse me. we're seeing some of the things you'd expect transportation housing the main, the biggest categories as they are in our sector based inventory. So that has a change. But we're starting to see just how big of a factor foods, goods, and services are. If you look on the left.

[55:06] you know. You see gasoline, and it's really not surprising that it's a really big in fact, the biggest single subcategory of emissions. But we start to see some new things, health care, eating out furnishings and appliances. These are things that are not tracked in our current inventory. So again. really great information coming through. And I think we're gonna have a lot to think about when we get the final report we're getting. We're also gonna get some really useful census track level maps like this one shown here. and I, you can see hopefully, you can see. you know the the the colors change over different tracks. But you see, in in downtown border per capita or per capita, emissions are lower. and the more rural, more suburban areas, the emissions I so

[56:00] that really points to scene in City center, where things are higher density, more walkerable neighborhoods, more transportation options, allows people to own fewer vehicles and smaller homes. All of these things correlate to lower per capita. and on the converse higher per capita. Missions occur in more suburban neighborhoods. so those are larger to 10 detached phones lack of nearby destinations. So not very walkable. People tend to take cars places more. and so have higher transportation emissions, and of course they own more vehicles or cap per capita or household. The other thing that's quite notable, and also not surprising when you read the article from the New York Times, but each dot here is is represents the centers census tract, our neighborhood.

[57:03] So you have the average income and the emissions shown for each dot. and you can clearly see this strong correlation. The income goes up solo emissions. and so some, just, some takeaways that we think are are going to be true. We have that final report. There's a high correlation between income, vehicle, ownership, home size. As those things go up. Sort of emissions. Transportation buildings, you know, of course, are still these major sources of emissions. And and then then we're going to get all kinds of new information that it's getting really good good services. They're big sources of missions, and they have a lot more information about what folder consumes

[58:02] as we think about moving forward, you know, and the next steps for this work we'll be releasing the report when it's done and available, which is hopefully sometime this spring, soon or or early summer, and then we're going to continue to work with eco data lab on some additional business as usual analysis. And I think this is a a really important point here, because, as we think about that. We have a lot of work under way, you know, planning around transportation electrification. You know the partnership with itself, or there's commitments to having the grid get a lot greater. This picture is going to change quite a bit. and so we think about what we have. what we have queued up for future. We need to think about. What is this picture gonna look like, and what are we not? What do we need to start thinking about? Because in the future. You know, categories like food, goods and services are all gonna need to be thought about and approached.

[59:05] So giving more information for our circular economy efforts. That's all I have. I'd be happy to field any questions, or or discuss this further on a. Follow up with more information as it comes out. Thank you for the presentation of us. really really good at you have ever seen so much data at the middle of this report. So I think we have about. Let's say 2030 min for discussion. We could. So we gonna be Number 8. So all sorry if you guys could be questions. What are you guys I have one to start us off. So when your slide showed, you know, students make up maybe about 33% of our population and you kind of frame this as a very demographic kind of based study. is there.

[60:04] I guess. Is there a need to, or would it be beneficial to also look at. and of the students as a demographic, and how they play into kind of the emissions, and how that changes, maybe as a function of kind of the the education or the academic calendar year. Is there any information that can be useful there? So yeah, I think my answer to maybe this slide is the one you were referring to. So the by the pure nature of how this is done. the data that goes into this is there's some local data, but that's like registered vehicle registration data and not data about the university. And so in terms of feasibility and producing information about emissions, it's not capturing them.

[61:00] I I think that that's something that makes this easier for us to get information. As we look forward in the future we may need to. I guess if the need is to track emissions at some level like that, like, how does the seasonal nature of students? We would need to produce local data related to that, and work with the consultant to produce something like that. So this really just, I, I guess, is the way of saying that the eco Data lab Doesn't. Really. I have the ability to go about answering that kind of local nature. Question it's. Thank you. And it's like annual data to it's not monthly. Or do you have any questions? I was wondering. I have a we have that really analysis of this preliminary data. But actually, if you could

[62:02] just make that life bigger the preliminary results. But it's wondering. Yes. Well, I mean either one. I was more so looking at the graph. But yeah, i'm sure that one, too. Yeah, I was just curious about the housing. all which is the second largest. I'm wondering what goes into like. I I I think I can see which shades of blue are the housing like from shelter up to other heating fuels. So i'm wondering what what is your definition of shelter in terms of how to measure emissions is that, like building construction materials itself. and

[63:02] like how how you produce the materials for the construction and the construction itself of the shelter. Or is that Yeah. I so I I think I would have to to give a complete answer here. I would have to talk with eco data lab specifically there, but the the shelter is the piece that includes. Excuse me. the shelters to be setting is really the construction materials piece, and it may also include. you know, missions associated putting those together cranes, things like that. But the way that they, the way that they approach that, and maybe an important detail here is that they distribute the emissions over the lifetime. So this is an annual picture, so that so that 1.0 6. They have a methodology around saying, All right. We spread it out over the life of a building.

[64:10] Do you happen to know what other login is? Is that like a second phone kind of situation, or is that our homeless population you don't like in standardized like? I think I would need to look that up I made. Yeah, I'm just. I'm just really curious about all of this, because it it seems relatively as like a very new and really exciting way to look at this data. And so i'm trying to figure out where the biggest where we could reduce our i'm so curious that could be. Yeah, I apologize. I don't know that one off to tell me ahead, and and also some of that. This is, you know we we don't even have a draft report. Yeah, we just

[65:07] so will happen. Greater explanations of some of these things when the file record is is released. But I can try it with them. Yeah. And then yeah, I guess I comments more than a question. But I would very much agree with, I guess 2 of the to the points that you've made throughout the presentation, which was, by the way, Very, very good. I I really like the work that you're doing, and I I think it's really important work for our city. One is that we should really start looking towards circularity, to reduce emissions.

[66:00] and in terms of like making sure that we can fully recycle items here, and making sure that we're producing fully recyclable items for us to use that, and then and and I guess as a spin off of that. I think places like nude foods which I've started to go to a lot that has. Yeah, I love that place little little out of my budget range, unfortunately, but I think that once that once we start expanding like, take back stores and places with reusable items and expanding farmers markets, so that there is a lot of the transportation emissions

[67:01] we can really start making it done in our emissions. The other thing was I. I know it's devices have to channel My. I think it was very telling from from the data, but obviously backs it up that the emissions are higher when places are less dense, and I think that Boulder should continue to go down the route of encouraging density. especially for people who might not be able to afford larger places to level bone houses instead of apartment buildings.

[68:08] and I I think that it clearly ties into our emissions reduction, which is one of the main goals of I think the city in general and the people here. I have said that in the most politically correct way. kind of perhaps related comment and question. So I know that the State was voting on the bill for oxidancy reform today, and I don't think that has come out how it turned out or did it just i'm not sure. I'm in check recently. So it it did pass out of the house with a lot of the amendments. But back in we'll all need to go back to the house. Obviously we'll have an uphill battle to retain some of the amendments that we're stripped out

[69:08] when it came out of the 7 Committee, so so given that you know obviously this folds into, or it could have consequences. And I think both the housing and transportation sectors. If we're changing housing, I can see changing how people commute in and out of holder, etc. So my question is, Have you seen since you started kind of tracking these data, or would you be on the lookout? For, you know, significant changes in some of these categories, and being able to connect that to certain policy changes bills, kind of, or or even social changes, so that there's kind of an avenue to track. You know things that have tangibly moved the needle, and if we can capitalize on that and really understand what we've done well. yeah, I I I think that was really one of the the I I think the strength of this particular work is the information we get from it. But one of the limitations is that if we want to track

[70:11] how policy changes for or behavior changes or infrastructure changes. how those impact these numbers we're going to have to do additional and a different type of analysis. This area. This, this really is a study based on demographic information. So unless those policies change things like theoretically change home sizes or vehicle, or we won't see it in in this type of work moving forward. So it it may be that if we want to track something like that, we just need to do it to show work with. And I think how these things are done

[71:04] with Another Methodology is really through just surveying local with gathering local data to support that sort of analysis. I can see. Yeah, no, that was it. That was great. Hi, everyone. I'm: yeah, i'm a principal project manager in climate initiatives, and I've been working with Ben a little bit on this work, and I think, he answered, that right on that it's you know it's based on the demographic data, and that, you know, as he mentioned, like the the data that we'll get is 2021. So there's a bit of a lag to in the data. But I think one of the neat things that we're going to be exploring is, if we want to continue on with this particular consultant in this model is. they have the ability just based on research and analysis and data that they have is to look at future policies. And so like, if we pull different levers with different policies, you know what we like. We can model what we think. The impact will be

[72:01] So I think, while it might not be actual data. I think it might be interesting from a local government or even a State government perspective to start to say like. you know, if we can make these kinds of changes, here's what we think. The impact would be based on on those changes, and that's something we can explore. Looking at in the future. I have a few questions I would like to understand where this data fits like in the bigger picture in terms of your roles. I guess, like you guys are collecting this data right now, and as a role of your project or department. is that the extent of it like like, how was this like? It calls it more like, let's say what I want to collect this consumption based data. And you've been doing that for a few years. Is that Hello! Is the result of that? This is like. Are you in a collecting data stage right now? Or you like, actually

[73:05] like looking at this data and trying to like work with other departments to like implement policies. Yeah, I mean, I think this is the first time we've actually done this kind of data analysis like this is the first time we've looked at consumption based emissions, inventory from a from a data gathering perspective. So right now, I I would say we are in the data collection phase, and I think that sort of we need to decide what the next steps are. As far as you know it's a big awareness raising tool and it there's a lot of education, I think that can be can be generated from just having the the data gives you the awareness. So people's, choices and decisions, you know, hopefully that that's that's a big piece of it, I think, and then starting to kind of socialize it around the city organization. And then, with like, you know, I was saying, looking at like what the impacts of different policies might be that we might want to look at longer term. And as Ben mentioned, I think the business as usual case is going to be interesting, because

[74:08] right now the data that we're gathering doesn't tell us like in 2,030. Our emissions gonna be are going to be a lot lower from just our grid and our electricity. So you know. that's gonna actually change the balance of things quite a bit. So you're gonna have a smaller section in one area, but it's gonna make other other choices that we're making on our consumption look bigger. So I think there's a lot we're it's pretty preliminary at this at this phase. But I don't know if Ben or you or Jonathan want to add anything in. Go go ahead, then. Oh, no! I was just gonna say from my perspective. That was my great answer. So I have nothing to add. I I just want to make sure I pick up on the other piece of your question in terms of how we, as a department, are thinking about utilizing the data you all the spot on. You know, we, as the department, have organized a lot of our interventions and strategies based on our sector based Emissions inventory. So we we say we're our biggest levers that we can pull to reduce emissions. Well, if a number of things have been happening at once, Number one, we realize that we don't control all the factors so like the grid intensity. Or, excuse me, the carbon density of our great power. We just tend to drive programs to use less right. So the problem with that is that it. It sends you down pathways.

[75:26] You don't really have the impact that you're seeking. I'll give you an example for many years a lot of our work, as you look at this crab, we measure not because buildings, you make carbon. They they use energy. And you then look at the carbon intensity of that energy. And you that's the proxy in terms of how buildings the miles per gallon. If that building is getting so, a lot of our work has been, how do you reduce the consumption of the electricity on site. but that doesn't take into account as regionality. So let's just say a big entity, like all aerospace in one of their their big, large, a transmission customer company for a secondary general customer picks up and moves to a different community, and to a less efficient building.

[76:07] The overall gross emissions end up going up, we as one community, because we do this geographic boundary, and we say our missions are are are measured within this space we can claim victory, because. as our emissions go down, but that's not what we're after, so it gives us some more holistic look at what we're doing. So the answer question around what we do with this data, and allows us to start talking to other departments, I think, is you actually point out. So thinking about the the conversation we were having about embodied energy and our buildings? That was a great question in terms of what does that look like that's not something that we calculated previously that allows us to talk with our planning department and build in more in terms of code and a reconstruction requirement. So we can start to see the value on the insurance and admissions and areas that we've not loved previously. So we as a department. We gather the information.

[77:02] and we work across the Board in terms of setting policy that we are responsible for encouraging policy that really frames up. Excuse me climate, equity, and resilience across our organization, and then we work at a higher scale. We do policy work at the regional level and at the state level. In some case the Federal level. So we use this information to really drive that policy reform that needs to be done at that scale, that it needs to be done, whether it's regional or state line. So we do have a really important role in that. And this data is really going to be helpful in in shaping that narrative as we move forward. The other thing while i'm talking. I just really appreciate the comment about the circularity, and we have some experts on our staff that you probably that Jamie Harkins who heads up our a circular economy team is a real expert in circularity and thinking about applying that circular lens, not just to waste in materials, but to everything that we do. How do we think about it? From boot systems and transportation systems? And that's the work that we did with metabolic. It was so powerful as they created that circular boulder report for us. And now we can start bringing that into a lot of the work we do in terms of programming.

[78:14] So I don't. I don't that answered your question that it's very, very comprehensive, but we are still in the data gathering. and we need to figure out what we do with that information, which is why you Events say that we're gathering both ways. We're continuing to do our sector specific emissions inventory. But we're also looking at this comprehensive view, so we can start to see the differences and then figure out how that really involves. It's the How do you collect the data? Then, because again, at some point like this is like, how many paid state days like collection working here. But you you hire a really smart person like then I mean, I don't. I don't know all that I didn't like this. It's like, where it

[79:01] like. How do you like eating out? Do you see, like sales tax receipts like, how do you? Yeah, yeah. like, really, briefly. Let's see. Yeah. So the the key here is this first bullet point. So this consumer expenditure survey is a national survey. That's done. and I I don't know how many participants it has, but it it people sign up for it and share what they buy. And so you get information about a lot of households in the Us. About what they're buying. and along attached to that. It's demographic information associated with with the people in the survey. And so you can use that to be representative of of Boulder. And of course that's not all that eco data lab does, but that's kind of at the core of it.

[80:03] It's actual purchasing data from a lot of people in the Us. They I know it's thousands of people. and so it. And so you just tie their income and how big their home is. People are in their home. and you get you can get at that information. Ego Data lab also does some other stuff with local data to try to adjust. to make things more regionally accurate. as opposed to just taking people from all of us, because people are different all over the place. Does that answer your question, or at least well enough? Yeah. So that was a good answer. But that makes sense. So they like. So this data is public, or you've you've you it, or somehow. And then and then you just extract the city of all the the county data from that

[81:00] like a census on consumption. Basically Yeah, that that's eco data lab does that piece? Right? So they and but that that is publicly. I believe it's probably available data. They don't have to buy it. but they use that data. They use census available data, and then where appropriate, we help them get local data. So like local vehicle registration information. And is it 2,000? I did report online. I did a Google searches now, but I can client it. So I didn't quite hear your question. It's the 2,019 report online. No. Now, if you want to see one that has been released, you can look at King County, in which is Seattle Washington. You can see what one of these looks like. but but we don't ours is not. If this is clarifying that what? Which, when we say, the 2,019 report, so make sure we're care about it. I I figure like e told that a lot like all these figures will let's go from 2 to 4. Okay, okay? Yeah. Well, that'll make sure. Yeah.

[82:12] Why, it's just a presentation that they submitted to you guys like information they've shared with me. They they send you the slides of this whole. Yeah. there is some emissions data on the data dashboard online, but that is probably not the embodied. There you go. That's a secure based inventory. Yes. and we also have the city operations inventory that I didn't discuss our other cities. Looking at this. Obviously, you mentioned King County. But is there a general move towards at least looking at this in parallel with the sector based inventory, and

[83:07] I can speak anecdotally. I know when I've been part of you know, i'm part of the carbon neutral cities alliance like scope, 3 framework where lots of cities throughout the world are looking at, conducting their first where they've already done the consumption based inventory. I know that San Francisco's done. One obviously see at all. It's part of King County. I believe New York has done one. and really I you know. i'm saying this anecdotally, but I think every every, not everyone, but most major cities are training towards capturing consumption based. So also have a question about.

[84:01] So is this graph from 2,018. Data. This would be 29 that I think everybody knows this this is preliminary data. So you know, of course, that they even this could change, although I wouldn't imagine it changing in this. so that. But well, my question was, basically is this pretty pandemic? Especially since the health care is so high and we've kind of almost marked into a hybrid health care system now, where, like several, you could have doctors doctor visits now online. So i'm wondering. do we do we by any chance to have any post, pandemic or mid pandemic data

[85:02] to see if that has changed significantly. I don't certainly not the the health care front. I think that'd be a really interesting question to just to hear that. Not just of health care, but across the board. You know. How does the pandemic show up in these reports? You know. I know we can see it in our community inventory. most notably in the transportation drop that we saw in 20, 20, 2020. Yeah. I just think that there there are some things that there are some habits that we have retained from the pandemic, so like. I still have a couple of doctors that I see virtually just because it has worked so. I'm probably using less submission, or I'm probably creating less missions with my health care than I was pre pandemic level, and i'll continue to do that.

[86:06] Oh. that would show up in the transportation. Yeah, and not the healthcare category, but I but i'm sure that that the point is behavior in the way people use. Health care. you know, may may remain. It'd be interesting to see if they can capture any of that in this report. It's an interesting question that that I have from what you just said so how would we? How do you separate? This is a that's life cycle analysis approach to carbon accounting? Jhd: accounting. So how would you separate transportation that specifically for healthcare from transportation that's to and from Job, or to, or pleasure

[87:03] is that included in the health care as a double counted some, or like, how do you avoid double counting? Yeah. So again it you tie that back to the consumer expenditure survey. So in there you would have a household purchasing. Say, gasoline show up in the survey. and so that would show up in this transportation gas category. and that would show up as like a trip hypothetically to hospital would be covered in this gas category here. whereas there would be transportation emissions embodied into this health care category associated with bringing medical supplies to you know. Bch: it would be. Those would show up in the health care.

[88:04] Yeah. and then No, that's it. So basically once you get the 2220, 21 report from Eco vehicle data labs people that allows. You know you're not gonna do any more data on the next thing, right. You just want to take the reported space value, and then just pass the data along to other departments for any policy. what any projects or policy drafting or I like, we use? Not I mean, there's are you gonna do like a even deeper dive, or it's just like you know, your Highness consulting for for the they are the reports. And then, you know, once you receive it, that's gonna you don't have to do any further analysis. Or are you? Yeah, yeah, I I let me take a stab at this. And John and or yeah, i'll feel free to jump in here. But I think this is really. we think of this as informative. You know, we don't. We don't have community level data, talks about

[89:03] good services, health care, food. and so we'll take this information, and we'll try to incorporate that into how we think about how we think about our circular economy approaches and those economic systems that it can ideally be made more circular. so I think it. It forms decisions we will make as a department about what to try and tackle. and I think there will be further research done when we need better information. For example. we were just talking about health care. That's it really Big bar that we don't know a lot about what what that's made up of. and I don't know if that's something that's where even it's even possible for us to to try to address as a as a department. Yeah.

[90:03] but I think so. Like, if we need more information on something, then that's when we would do a a deeper dive, and we'd we'd need to produce another study potentially with this or a different consultant. So that's that's my understanding of this is really informative. And hopefully one form future approaches A, and of course, keeper dive where necessary. I don't know that John and I don't know if you want to ask. Oh. I don't need to add a lot. I just I wanna make sure that you all understand. I I think, from our perspective this is really informative in terms of expanding the way we think about our our impact. So traditionally as we talked about a lot tonight, we focus a lot of our strategies on the big sectors. Right? How do we decarbonize our energy system? That's electricity, natural gas, and transportation?

[91:02] How do we think about our buildings and the way they use, and how we think about our our. and whether or not the numbers are completely accurate. Great. The reality is, you can see these big ban on starting to take shape, so that allows us to say, Well, you know what is. Yeah, i'll point it out earlier. We're seeing you guys spending a lot of our time on policy and regulation to drive our utility CD carbonize our energy supply. So now this gives us really good information to say we are the next biggest sectors for intervention, whether those be programmatic, incentivizing behavior change for our residents and businesses, whether it be regulatory in nature. How do we get those into our existing regulatory structure. Do we need to make changes to our building codes? How do we think about changing behaviors around consumption? You look at those big bands and transportation. There is a huge amount there in terms of acts, stopping our discussion around the importance of electrifying our fleets, electrifying the vehicle. Some people are still going to continue to use tying that to the conversation we just have about you bikes. So it gives us this data driven exploration. That's more than anecdotal.

[92:16] and whether or not these numbers are going to be completely accurate on. I think it really helps us drive in the right direction. No moving on to so given like you're saying these big bands categories that we're all talking about. And I know that obviously you didn't collect these data. But is there a space for including data. we bring in the kind of circular economy what is being reused, recycled, kind of. you know we have all these negative bars, if you will. If there is some a space to put in a positive putting things back into the system. Is there a way to track that? Do you think? Given this framework.

[93:06] Is there a sorry, maybe so. Is there a way to track. I guess, holding in into, like the obviously like the full cycle life cycle of of of the products, you know, if if their life cycle is being extended through recycling, reuse or something like that, is there kind of like a positive category that we can incorporate into the data. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I I think in in some sense you don't have to track admissions to to know that you're impacting the system. So so, for example, in the eating out category. you can. From this analysis you can't know exactly what are the emissions associated with all of the take out containers.

[94:04] But our our circular economy team has a focus on reusable containers and supporting innovation and companies around around those like deliver 0 and our top. And so we can track information about the use of those types of things, just using that as an example to know that we're impacting these. And and the I think the more we work at understanding what's inside of these bars. and how how to really approach those things. I think we'll want to think about ways to track the the behavior or the usage associated with pilot programs, bigger things, or as we shift towards policy. You know there are other ways to

[95:02] track this information and a full scale. Consumption, base and minority can be done again in the future to support that from an emissions point as well. Oh. so that answer your question. Yes, yes, thank you. Okay. So want to keep us on track with the agenda. So thank you, man, for this presentation. It's. It's really nice to see what happened to this day. How they didn't know it's it's pretty cool. Yeah, I look forward to to sharing it out when it when it's all done. And thank you all for having me. Okay, Thank you so much. Good. Let's move on to the next item in the agenda.

[96:03] Okay. I guess we don't have any old business or updates, so the next item will be the Council. Come on a preview. Yeah, thanks, Mr. Chair. I don't know that we'll need 15 min, but maybe we will see where this conversation goes. It it at your last month's meeting we have a conversation among the Board members myself around. I'm. Trying to find some methodology to make sure that the board is up to date on the things that Council will be seen. So there's a regular cadence of information that goes to council with the intention of finding ways to get in early in terms of the word, providing comments, feedback and input to counsel and your advisory board to that Council. So it makes sense to to figure out. What are the things that are actually in that in flight? Basically going to council? And I don't know that this is necessarily the the best. But I wanted to just talk a little bit with you all about

[97:03] the the way to get that information to you and the best format. So what you saw to your packet this time is the Council Agenda Committee on Summary. So we just tell you what that is. Every Monday. There are 3 members of City council that we view their meeting at vendors. So that's both their study sessions and their business meetings, and so they need on a on a weekly day a basis. The mayor is always present, and then the 2 other council members rotate through. So the purpose of that is to go through the scheduling of various items that are coming to the council, but also to talk about kind of the meeting, flow and payments. They don't make any real substantive conversation or decisions at those meetings. It's really kind of agenda and meeting management. The reason I bring that up is that it's a public meeting. and the document that you see attached to your packet is essentially the notes and the summary of each of those weekly meetings. Why, I felt like this was a at least an option for you to consider. Is, it starts to give you a sense of the things that are going to counsel the time that is allotted to each of those items.

[98:12] The one thing that I would just note that you probably picked up on is that it doesn't really give you this kind of far ahead look in terms of like the 3 to 6 month view that gives us adequate time to say, hey, 6 months out, what's Council is going to be talking about 80 us, for example. So let's make sure to back up the time or the staff teams to build in a presentation to the board that way. You have plenty of time to see the item provide to the summary of recommendations to council, or, however, you want to get your feedback to council. so I just wanted to acknowledge that even if you, if you look at the extended meeting calendar which is on the back of it, it's still looking at June first.

[99:00] and but what you can do is if you look in that middle section. This additional council I anticipated items in Q. 2. That's that's one place that the Council is started to look at. The things that we know are likely going to be coming, but they haven't fully put those in a date yet. So I would say that probably the most valuable section as we get into a regular case is gonna be this little box in here, because those are the topics that stab is identified, and we'll still working on getting those scheduled. So the the question, I guess that I pose to the 3 of you tonight, is it's something like this a bit of what you are looking for again. This was, I think, my idea, so I I I don't want to. I don't want to assume anything that that we do something on a regular case with you all, whether it's system has had been to your packet, whether it's an opportunity to build in a moment in your agendas, maybe in an items from staff to or from the board, to say. Notice that you know there's gonna be a check in on occupancy, and it's only in a horrible housing on June fifteenth or in June. That's something that we'd like to do. The the thing that you will need to be really thoughtful about them

[100:10] is, if you are making a decision as a body. You'll need to do that as the body. So you'll need to say. For example, if one of you says, I really like to, I really like to see a presentation or provide and put on subject. X. You Won't need to discuss whether or not you want to do that as a body. That direction can then go to staff, and then we can get with the the right staff team that's in in charge of that item. I I think this is that point what what we were looking for? The only thing is like, I, said the timeline. So our next meeting, for example, is June 7. So the you know that's gonna prevents it from the way many of anything else. But it's still there. I don't know if it's a standard, or is this gonna happen on June 20 s like that. Sorry the building energy go

[101:06] 15 like is that when they're gonna be talking about it, because, you know, we meet from June 7 they we could prepare something on energy calls. We have to make decisions as a body on June 7 to provide feedback for June 20 s. Well, what I can tell you is when it says tentatively, that's because the meeting management process really forces. I think Council, Cdc. And Staff to say our our in date is June 20 s. I I can speak specifically to the building codes, because we're heavily involved in that one that's not going to happen on the 20 s. It's going to be pushed out a little bit. not because we're not ready to go, but because there are a lot of items that are coming before council. They just don't have the time to squish everything into their very act agendas. So we try to get it into this cadence for council to consider, and then they fiddle in, and then the the Cac meetings go something like this. We have a little bit of time. We need to move this up, so we need to bump something and then to balance out that meeting. And then the staff team says, Well, I can go a little bit later in order for that to move

[102:12] forward. So it also really manages the blow of those meetings. Though I don't, I don't think it necessarily prevents you from starting to look at giving feedback to us, to say, hey, we would really like to have input on building cuts. and if you as a board. Believe that that's the case. Then we can say, okay, let's get with the staff team. And then, as we start to bring start to solidify the day. Then we know we need to back that up I this. That will be good if we can. you know, before they meet. Maybe like even June seventh for us. We can, you know, add that to the agenda so we can start discussing it. Yeah. And I think just sticking with the the first question that you asked. I think I i'm also very in favor of

[103:01] continuing with this for Max and i'm not sure because of having this kind of thing at the back of our packets. But I I really like that. And then to continue, I think we should also have a discussion on our charter as yeah, our charter as a as a committee, in order to figure out, if we want to move to more annual meetings, that because correctly. and then we have currently agreed to 12 meetings per year, but maybe even want to increase that if we have more stuff to talk about, or if things are coming up in a faster pace, Say, Council has a lot of topics on their agenda and

[104:00] 6 session. Maybe it's a to our agenda. So I got you 9 next meeting with her a fixed number of per I don't prefer I I would offer the cadence of your meetings. It's not something that's governed by the charter. So if you want to change the pur view of of the Board in terms of things that you oversee things that should come to you. It's more that kind of qualitative narrative that I I would say that you should look at, but you're not limited to certain numbers. Your your your charter doesn't. Say you have to have certain number of meetings, or it doesn't prohibit you from doing for something with the board, so so that. Yeah. So if or I would offer the Board to consider every meeting that we have. we would have kind of this kind of summary of council.

[105:02] a potential agenda topics that they're going to discuss, and then based on the number of things that are related to environmental issues that we want to discuss, we would. So every meeting to add an additional meeting that months are not based on how many help. long, long, long this discussion items would take for us to get through. you know. for a new basis. They would need to meet in 2 weeks, giving them this just for manages to agree as a body on, you know. So. or whatever you could do that I mean it'll be. you know, just over Zoom. But I guess that's a little experiment. We can try to see if the current cadence we have right now enough to for my feedback, for you know, if if we can play.

[106:03] catch up with Con Council, and for example, and we know for sure. after 2, 20 s, though it's it's the we have now enough time to provide feedback. I'm back, and you look good. I would also suggest at the outline in all some update facilities, Master Plan facilities, plans usually okay. to deal with the missions, especially if it's a live first fight on on 5, May 20 fifth, which would, we would need an additional meeting this month in order to make that work, if that is definitely going to be scheduled before by May 20 fifth. I would, if you sorry. But okay, thanks.

[107:01] Yeah. So it it just 2 comics. One. I'm. Pick an up on balsam. I I would suggest that that's probably not something that you need to we on at this moment. And and the reason being is, this particular topic is not on the overall project of Alpine bals and and updating it's really thinking about looking at more of the budgetary requirements for what is needed to complete that project. And that's part of the facility's master plan. So it's really looking at. How do we think about our Portfolio Buildings because there was. I I mean, we've gone to Council quite a few times to talk about the I think there are absolutely dimensions of that project that we need to be talking to you all about as we get into kind of the site design. There is so much in motion right now as we think about the Bhp portion of the Side and the West City campus portion, and then thinking about the overall kind of function and and use of that site. Those are absolutely things that one in particular. I wouldn't. I wouldn't stress and rush to try to add a meeting, because I don't think that it's it's I have. I know why it's in needed. Yes.

[108:09] it's in the right. Okay, and then my second comment and i'm sorry i'm talking so much. I I just want to make sure that you all I I can't commit our our other departments and their timelines. What I can commit to is, if you start to say we'd really like to have some input into these topics, I can go to to those departments and make sure that there's been that request made, and then I can hear back from them on. Well, we have to have a memo here, or it doesn't fit there. I I don't think that's going to be the case. But I just want to make sure that i'm setting realistic expectations that every item that you want to see may not in all of them. But I think you all making sure you're aware of what counts is going to be talking about, and then prioritizing the items that you think are most valuable to you. That okay? So that was a long explanation.

[109:02] Yeah. So well number one. I also agree. I like this format of having this touch packets. We have a chance individual. Look at it and discuss this group, and I like your idea. We have things we want to prepare establish meetings kind of in the interim. And you kind of answered my other kind of fundamental question, which is, is the idea that we, as a group. Say, hey, we want to prioritize this. I know that city council is going to be talking about in a month and a half. You know. We let you know such. That Are we getting information from staff? Such that we as a body, are preparing some sort of presentation? Are we getting information from staff where we provide feedback, and they are taking that information to present to city council kind of on our behalf. And again, that. like you mentioned this ties in a lot of staff, you know, communication and time and scheduling. So I said. place role, and how flexible we can be with kind of

[110:04] growing in additional meetings. But yeah, thanks, it's a it's a really good question, if you remember what kind of kick this off in our last discussion was, how do we make sure that the Board's voice is being heard to to the body that you have been appointed to Advice Meeting City Council. One of the things that we wrestle with is there are many, many boards that are kind of off on the periphery of kind of this major track or kind of big topics. They they typically follow this kind of quasi judicial path to planning board or tab, because they have kind of those powers, and the Council has that of seeking or expecting input from those boards. So we're trying to do is kind of pull you back in a bit and make sure that the things that the Board believes you should be playing in on are are on the stop, so to speak, for the staff team bringing forward

[111:01] now again on the point. I say, I can't commit sometimes that you know, for a staff group to go to say like 8 to 10 boards that they lived. But the intention is for the things that you want to prioritize. They would come like we did last month, and you weren't here previous to that. But the idea with Staff would present and say, I have a couple of questions for you. Here's what we're taking to counsel. Get your feedback on the agree with with the staff recommendation, and are there modifications, edits, and the staff will then represent your your advice to counsel, both in the packet and potentially verbally. You also have the opportunity to show up and and represent either the board or as an individual on that item. When you have that per view as well, so let's just say that you don't feel that your voice was. I don't really represent it in the staff. Now you can show up and say

[112:03] you know what we talked about. This is for, and we believe Excellency and Council should really think about, explain. So there are a number of ways to do that. But I think, Staff, I would just. I would as a bit that really wanna make sure that they're representing the awards feedback. But we have a lot of words but Number 2224 commissions. So that's why I say I want to make sure that I I would. I would suggest to not look at this list and say, we want to. We want to input on every one of these things, because a your meetings are going to get full really fast, and I I think it dive. It's the impact you can. Well, it's an experiment if we just try getting started with the building energy. Go something you said, resonated with me. What is like when that comes to us is usually very early in the draft process. So recommendations to council having been decided. Yeah. So you get someone for feedback.

[113:01] But there's no like what you said. It's like it's the as a board good against or pro that specific organization accounts. But then that part of never that's being asked to us. We've we've tried to do it because it's like, you know. Stuff. It' be like. This is what we never coming to count. I think, as part of the memories like the Board agrees for these conditions, or the or disagrees, because that's never happening, and if you could do that, that will be great. Okay. Okay, guys, I want to get up. That'll be your like 8. So the official ask to have some sort of information in the next meeting on the building Energy Code. No, no, we are. We are not ready to start soliciting feedback from boards yet you know it, and I will say that was an easy one, because we intended to come. I just asked the question. your question sign.

[114:01] Do you want to allocate time to review the summary and discuss it during the meeting. and how much time do you think you need? I think the same amount of time. What? You? 15, maybe 20. Okay. And second is what we did today, so that we good the other question I have. Would it be helpful to for Jonathan to provide information on kind of the process of types of council meetings. These 2 items that you mentioned that when I bought some and the building Energy codes are good setting sessions. and I bring that up because it likely will not be the last opportunity for the board to provide feedback. I don't know if that would be helpful to to get a little overview of the different types of Council meetings. Yeah, actually, that's that's a good point you bring up the fact that we start having access to figure out what is on the study session. Schedule means

[115:04] that we would have access, that we would know what Council would be talking about in in a larger context in city council meetings. So even these States are even part of their out that you think they are so that would give us even more time to get back to staff about. You would like to hear about this particular thing. The top study session, whatever. Now it comes to Council for City Council meeting. I think that's even a bigger loss of this of this. It's a second. It's it's it's it's it's a it's a we've given your department. We talked about. you know, like the major items like related to memo a leap blowers as presented to Council, and as the recommendation was the base

[116:05] based on the approach or something like that. But so maybe 50 min update. Or yeah. I don't know. Like to over view anything related to it. because so nice to complete me. We don't City Council meetings to get pretty long, so I think that's the one made sure the best. No, I I don't think it is what I would request. Is it to not do that in writing, if that's okay, what I would request. Is it to not do that in writing If that's okay. What I would like to avoid is is to me like a a memo. Oh, yeah, that's just so. We could, you know. So if I have, if that do previous, maybe one. I kind of PIN this in like a 15 min portion of like step update I we can talk about since your last meeting. Here are some items that went to Council. We don't have that many items as an apartment that are flowing to council. I can tell you what we have on the calendar for this year, but it sounds like

[117:06] this idea of kind of closing loops, so to speak. Say, here are some items that they discuss, and whether you follow about your the decisions that they need. Yeah, I don't know when you're the one of man. We'll make them follow it, boy. It's like a good school. Okay, I still guess perfect. Okay. I would also. Yes. I have the comment about something that is not related to this topic, so whenever I might be able to share it's a rel into a meeting, or you want to join a bit. Oh, no, I think we should discuss it while we're in the meeting. Okay, I think. What out of time. Are you guys okay with saying, what are they? Yeah. Okay? Then I just move it to like up to it's: okay, yeah. So I would like to

[118:07] like to present to City council a recommendation that they called upon Biden Slash Congress to protect the Icwa, which is the indigenous Child Welfare Act. and I think this is specifically related to the work that he does. because it is related to a larger movement of land back in the native and in the indigenous space which has been shown to reduce the missions to increase welfare of ecosystems. A lot of indigenous thought. The a lot of indigenous wisdom is based on land management, and

[119:06] specifically the Icw. A is part of a larger. sure. The Icwa is right now for the Supreme Court, which is Icwa is 80 log that provides not native parents from adopting native children, which has traditionally been a part of erasing indigenous culture. Part of the simulating indigenous people into into white society and everything their culture and history. And so a lot of this is related to being able to preserve that indigenous land, land management, and cultural education that is really helpful for our planet and also for human rights. So i'm wondering if I could bring a potential written statement to the board

[120:13] for approval or disapproval, and represent the Board. That's public comment. Sorry I will say it's something we can not to the I hands on when the Supreme Court will come up with their decision. Which is so. This this the timing work with the next a monthly meeting, or are you looking to? I will have an additional meeting to to give us a like it. The written statement. Yeah. So I was. I was hoping to just have a maybe 15 min public meeting. It could be on over Zoom.

[121:06] but I would send out a written statement for the Board of to amend or approve or denied before that time. and I can send it out the emails as long as somebody as long as somebody responds back. But it's like, the this is here today. Yeah, and I just want to be careful when you talk about additional meetings. Yeah. And I just want to be careful. When you talk about additional meetings there. There's a lot of back end stuff that has to be public publicly noticed directly out to back that up. It needs to be posted in the paper. We can make sure that the public is aware of it, I guess, to go on the city calendars, public learning to in general to now. Yes, yeah, i'm sorry that wasn't made I I should have been that a little bit more clear. The the alternative

[122:00] is, you and I know that you've done this previously. If If it's time-sensitive. you can go before council and speak on your you can represent that you are any of the Board member. But you are speaking on your on behalf. I I know that's not what you were asking of the board, but I know that there are 3 of you. You don't have the numbers here. I I it feels like it's something that your your board should discuss. If you want to take an official position as as the Environmental Advisory Board. So I I was not asking for a decision today. because they I I don't have that written up draft for everybody, and the there are 2 members that are missing right now. But i'll see you. Is that okay with the board, or do you do you potentially want the entire board to be behind something like that. I think I like the idea of the board percent paying things are presenting, you know, positions in general. Given the time constraints.

[123:06] Maybe this is the right one, but I like that idea in general the ability to, even if something's not explicitly on the City Council calendar. If there is something that we, as we want to public comment. that's the great Okay? And then in the future, if we wanted to add additional beating, it's how would that work with Staff being able to make it public it? But enough time! How much time would we need to get here? Let us let us go back and do a little research and make sure that we're giving you good information, because I don't want to say something tonight, and then come back and say, Well, we checked CEO to the attorney's office or the Cmo. And we we hadn't considered X viruses.

[124:00] So you give us, and then we can discuss that in our next meeting to say, what? What would it look like to add some of these additional meetings on kind of an AD hoc, or as an even basis. Is there an option to say, You know, email heather? 2 weeks before meeting and say, hey, there's a position that I would like to present to the Board. I would like to prepare a written statement to the Board for discussion and amendment at our next meeting, which is rescheduled 30 public. Is that an avenue to do that? What I would recommend is, you go through your board chair because there is an agenda setting meeting that occurs. And so you you all can talk. Yeah. But again not making decisions. I think you could bring forward things that you want to make sure that are on the okay Okay, guys, it's one of the best 8. The next meeting is scheduled Fortune 7, and I think that's it for today. So I motion to join the meeting

[125:00] any second? Thank you. Okay. Secondly, on the third.