May 9, 2023 — Downtown Management Commission Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[2:48] I'm sorry that's good. So maybe we should wait till next time and let people decide. Cool this Justin all my Zoom Phone until we have a fifth member. Hopefully.

[3:02] I'm: just not optimistic. We're going to get a Oh, Stephanie, you okay, with that cool. So we will post at the next meeting. Great. It is asked to. Is there any public here or online? I see. No, not yeah, no. Members in the public or the like. I guess you count as a as are you here for the public hearing. Are you here to listen in? Thank you. Great. Well. moving right along. I have a schedule update on on section in in this civic area, and we have to join up here to talk to us today. Thank you. Thanks for getting me on early, and let me just mess with my slides, so i'll be really struck this whole time. I think I have it

[4:04] to a place where I could say a second. No. Oh, yeah, there we go. So this is one of the items that last month's agenda setting meeting that we wanted. I wanted us to have an update on kind of what was going on with all the sessions and everything like that. Okay, perfect. So thanks so much for having me, and I will just run through a couple of 5, and then answer whatever as soon as you all have it that works for you. So I am kind of how it's in utility. So we do. We do about a great show on the and and we use the program.

[5:00] The the overall program is really called the safe and safe and managed Spaces Group of the Sams is the acronym, and it really operates as part of a larger city wide panelist strategy. Our focus is really on public spaces, and we're not trying to solve homelessness. We realize we're addressing the symptoms of homelessness. And the larger program really has a lot more talk, for in terms of solutions and services and things like that. But we are a touch point in terms of providing information. I'll go ahead and just give you some programmatic background. We have recently revised our protocols that really guide how we do our work. Super Recently, within your last month or so. We've tried protocol, so I can tell you about those. and we are seeing some preliminary results. But obviously, since it's only been a month or so, you know, we'll be tracking what we're saying.

[6:01] So really functions, as I mentioned as a multi departmental approach, and the operations and clean up team and the public space management team is always partnered up with a police officer, and at times rangers. And you know there's always somebody some support services in the area or with the team when they go out, and either notice or for clean up. So it's really a very for the needed approach, and that coordination has been increased over the last 2 years, which has been super helpful to accomplishing anything in the program, and I can give a little bit more background than that, but certainly can't get claim to be the only ones doing this work. Council did approve an extension of the operations and clean up team, last budget cycle. And so we there are expanding our team as of March of this year, and so we're still kind of leading into that. And there's other city resource and constraints. But we are so far we are kind of a growing operation.

[7:07] So let me just give you a brief summary of how this all started. So at you at the end of 2,021 we had an outside vendor performing a lot of the same after the call serve pro, and it really wasn't as coordinated as what I just described. They would kind of come in one off and clean ups, and it was really sporadic in terms of their availability, because they were spread across more than just over. So we decided that we would house the team internally, so that one we could have more control over how the work was done, but then also have more control about the response. Times and things like that, and and property storage. and we we've learned a lot in the 2 year journey, and we're still learning a bunch. We it's the crowd that is camping is definitely an adaptable ground. And so we are having to adapt and and be pretty nimble in terms of our response as well, although so, would work within a structured framework, so that we make sure we have.

[8:09] And there's that protocol that I keep mentioning as well. When we first started in 2,021. We didn't have any guidelines for how to do any of this. So it was just kind of we would get called, and we would go quickly now. But we have since developed a prioritization criteria, where we prioritize clean ups, and and i'll get into that in. But that really provides the guidance for how we go about cleaning. So so I keep talking about this clean up process, and it's really more than that. But I I keep. I keep labeling it. But it begins with an awareness that there is an issue. And obviously we see that when we're out in the field, and so we inform ourselves and some just through staff and other relationships. But then primarily through it, fire folder, we get a lot of reports through there, and we that system, do you know

[9:02] websites? And then they go into our prioritization framework from there. So once we're aware of a site, we don't inspect it. If we determine that it's a high priority site. Then we move into notification, and that's where we go, and we put a a notice to vacate in the area. And then also, in every time that we can get to sorry what? What makes something high priority? It's a great question. I have a sign, and let me try to answer that, and you can see if there's such a thought out there. Okay, sure. So we'll go ahead and notice. And there is the homeless outreach team through the Boulder Police department. That is also that does go with the clean up for on Notification day. We're not moving people on that day. We're really just letting them know they were in 72 h. We'll be back. You need to move along. You will be issued a ticket if if you are moved along, and then we also have that connection to services right? The homelessness outreach team is really focused on trying to

[10:04] or get people's lives in where they can as well. So that's really just a information opportunity for us. We also, you know. and go into all the details. So we hand out trash, back needle containers and things like that. And prior to having an organized internal clean up team, we found a lot more needles, and it was really an issue, and we've since partnered up with Boulder County Public health, and we really seem to get a handle on that, and it's we see a high participation in. That. So it's. It's really a it's really a positive from my perspective. And then, after an execution we wait for 72 h period, and we go ahead and all about the clean up, which again is supported by Bt and other rangers. And then there is just that ongoing maintenance, right? We're just on. Some mobile people move from place to place, and we know on some level we're dispersing people, but we do try to activate the space and have a kind of a costume part

[11:05] presence to to encourage people to to move along. Okay. So you asked about the prioritization criteria. Thank you for that. So this is kind of an oil down. You'll see that the highest priority is that of reports of violence for crime that is really a tricky one to tie to a specific location, right? If a crime happens in one place, it's hard to say. Oh, yes, it is this tent. And so, even though that one can carry a lot of weight when we are able to identify it. It's a rarely used criteria because it's it's difficult to PIN down locationally. so it turns out that life, safety, risk, and a floodway, and then proximity to schools and parks and things like that end up being highest, rated the the risk in the floodway is not only to those folks living in the subway, particularly in culverts and things like that in drainage ways, you know, there are flash flood, and by those people will be in serious danger. It also all of the

[12:04] property that's in those culverts and in the drainage ways also increases the blood risk for those us around those areas. And so it's kind of dual purpose. And then, equally weighted is the proximity to school in part something like that. We really to do a geographic location and try to prioritize those areas. And then all the other things are obviously important as well. largely with the size of the crew. Right now we really get to those kind of high priority one stranded ways of schools, but hopefully over time, we've got a resource, which I also say in this tunnel, or different than different than tunnel. So it'd be correct. Okay, yeah. And what's your what? We're tunneled like an underpass like a bike under. You can have all the talking points. I will get there, too. But yeah, those are not really in there, and they they fall more into the the updates that we did so they have even protocol. So

[13:06] okay, so what we have been seeing recently. So we did. You know, I mentioned. We originally developed a protocol in 2,021, and then we just updated it, based on what we're seeing in the field. And so i'm sure some of this looks familiar to you all originally. When we started this work, and still to a to a large degree, we were looking for voluntary compliance. Right there. There wasn't a lot of hard enforcement happening, and I have to say our team and the police involved, and everybody are so compassionate and so thoughtful and respectful about how they do the work well, still setting boundaries. But that's part of the events that I think of having the internal team. That being said, the voluntary compliance is way more effective. Say, last fall we were doing a lot, of course, with council and things around the budget time, and we were seeing that folks would go with this voluntary compliance kind of rhythm. I think, in January that shifted, and i'm not really sure why. But we were definitely seeing. You know it's hard to see in the You remember the huge incident there that generally it it can occur now and again, when people are just really reluctant to who

[14:16] combined with that, we also saw it. We had a state of fires for about 7 7 5 in a week or so, and not really sure they they kind of happened. All i'll send only, but that obviously raised more community concerns. And then I knew, too, when we moved people in kind of like what we think of the banshell, I think, is or not. Shortly after some folks started kind of dispersing to the full stream, and then trying to figure out how to manage that area. It's not a dream if they are but obviously still really important. So we were just seeing a lot of things that our protocols are being less effective. And so we did go and revise the protocol a little bit, and this gets to your question about under passes

[15:05] we we didn't do sweeping changes to our practices, but just enough, For example, we have that 72 h noticing requirement right now we notice the 10. We give them a couple of days, and then we come back, and that's kind of legally prescribed, but for other reasons as well. However, if if there is an encampment that's in and under past, it's lacking the path and creating a danger for the folks living there, and then a bike whipping around the corner that is now listed in the agreement protocol as an exception to the 72 h of missing. So we had to use that exception. 3 or 4 times in the last month, I would say, for people who have called and said, hey, this you know 30 of them and goose. It's really bad, and you know the team will sh to go over there and address it, and generally we've been able to be more responsive than we have in the past, so it's not perfect. We still run into challenges, but we are trying to employ that more often, so that the bike leads are safer.

[16:04] We also tried to double down on, you know, just being clear about how we address propane tanks to just the fire risk, and also the can't be. I guess. Maybe my biggest concern that I had multiple people talking to me about is like there's people have been compassionate and understanding with the buyers there's like. And so especially after Marshall and everything, and like the fires that we're right down by the High High School in downtown by enough enough. So like what's for sure? Yeah. So we definitely try to clarify that in the payment protocol. And and you know, like any of this. some of it is the professional discussion of the officers, or whatever that are in the field. But but, generally speaking, if there is a visible propane tank, we will go and take it immediately, and you can call my in my mind, and

[17:02] they'll come out and take it if it's in a tent, or if you suspect there's propane tank in a tent. That's a different, and we we have different tools that we can use to get it. But it's not an immediate like everybody out right. It'd be like somebody bursting into your house like if there's There's evidence around that. So I just think there's a heightened awareness of it. And in the Sams team with the public space management team. That's that. This is just a normal cleanup. So they are ubiquitous, particularly in the winter. People are using them for heat, but obviously they're also for drug production. But we will take them, and you have places where we donate them to. But if they are visible, we can take them more immediately for the fires that did occur because of propane. What was the cause? You know, I don't have all the police data. It's clearly about my understanding. With that we're a couple of that we're propane tink related, but some of them like they showed up. I responded to one, and then it's just a candle burning in the tent, or you know, all makeshift stoves, so I don't think they were all propane related.

[18:07] although I would just say for my you know anecdotal experience, that they're pretty much everywhere, even if it's just the little green ones that you use camping right. They have them, and so it is a. It is a risk. and when we do find them we do confiscate them right. So when we do a clean out if you say No, no, that's my toolbox, and this is my you know. I want to take my back back with me. Great! Take those things with you, but you can't take it. And also you have a picture on the next screen, too. We did try to increase signage and things like that again. On some level. you know, the assigned is only as great as the science, but I think what we backed it up with. It's clarity among the team how to enforce it, and there's more consistency. And I think you know I, the the Director of Utilities, who I report to is, is commonly heard saying, You know we've been treating and delivering water for like centuries now, and we've got that now, and this program is only 2 years old, and so we're. We're getting better, but we're not quite as dial as we would be. We're still figuring out kind of the lay in the land. So you know, this is still in its infancy all the way really to feel like we're we're making a lot of progress in the team is great, but

[19:20] it's still pretty. Yeah. Oh. that we could need a couple. Oh, the one of their thing that we updated, and that they my protocol and I don't know if it matters, but i'll mention it because it makes a huge difference to us, and you know we would see people that would. You know we, you know it's time to back up and go, and it's a great heck. Up, and they go, and they go like. if You' down the path, and then they would set up, and under the previous protocol. We we can do anything bad. We have to. you know, whatever, and they come back there. So it was a little mad because we would just watch them go. It's like we can do anything. So now we have guidelines about reoccupancy, and and If people do move within a geographic area, we can ask them to again, and then enforce on that. If they're not.

[20:06] it's a geographic area defined as like older. So no, I wish so with that prioritization framework better. So we we need weekly, and we say what we're seeing in the field. And then we look at the priorization criteria, and then we pick an area to notice. So like this week it was. I think it's the of the Seventeenth Street. and so we'll go. Notice everything in that area. And if you move within that same geographic area that's where we'll enforce. So it's we primarily spend our time on other people who are sometimes this creek, and then these under passes to them more. But one thing at first I wanted to thank you for doing this work. It's really hard and potentially paying close for you and emotional for many people. And so, yeah, thanks for coming to present us

[21:03] you something that you said caught my ear when you said there's resourcing city resourcing constraints for your team in particular. Is there not enough funding? And if there would be more funding for this? You would we would see more of the impact on the ground. Or is it more systematic than that? I mean? I know it's for a system that. But obviously I bikes here all of the events of the giant in Canada. Right? And you guys totally believe in it. Just come back with right, and it's it follows them around the city and then moved back. which is and difficult, right, and I think, oh. what we are seeing. But if we get to that like a commission, is that it's affecting the perception of the downtown like huge impacts in the survey we're looking at. So I guess, from our perspective it's it's a big priority. And do you think that funding is a big issue in terms of your team like being able

[22:06] to keep things. I don't know. I mean. if things cleaner and like it. Could you do more if you had more money, or do you think it's bigger than that or difference in that. Yeah, no, thanks. It's a great question, and I think you know I like it, for right now it's not the money. That is the constraint. It's getting the staff to do it, and I appreciate you saying, Thank you. I am not out there like day and day out cleaning stuff, and I I will pass on that. You know that' be appreciation, because the team really does work very hard and included, that are the police officers and the Rangers that open space and and passage of it, and I think it our work is contingent on having that Pd. Support, and so depending upon. For example, if we have a team out and we have to make an arrest, and the officer has to leave the site, we have to pause, because it is not safe for our team to continue in that moment when the police officer is

[23:00] right, so some of it and and I don't by any stretch means it's repeat under the bus. They're wonderful, and and the way that they do the work is really effective. But I do think some of it is a stopping limitation on the police side, like if you have unlimited weeks or on the Enforcement side, we also, I mean, we do have turnover, right? So yeah, so there is that to I think some of it is the ability to be able to split into 2 teams with. I mentioned this new team that it's really just been onboarded in March of this year. So this might just be in a cute moment where Don't quite have all the pieces in place, but they're convenient. So we just on boarded, I think. 3 new staff and a supervisor, and we have one more coming, so we'll the team all fill. That will be nothing. The thought is that 1, 2, Yeah. But it's double what it was last year. So it's okay. The biggest issues in the city. There's a team of 9. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, okay, there's not that many more for like waterming bricks and stuff like that, like 10 or 11. But

[24:12] yeah, so the the thought being that we're not quite there yet, although I do, I do. I'm very optimistic that we'll get there. Is that the team can split so that one is more on this. This is large, like the port, or that we see them. So I I hear what you're saying about it impacting, and we see it too. I will say, when we change the protocol, and wasn't sure how much of the shift we would see and I know. The day before we started the new Protocol. There were 32 Ts. We counted on the 32 chance between like 75 and the High school, and within a day and a half they were all gone, and there have been some that have come back in, but nowhere near that number. They've been more one or 2, and this, you know, I work over in the building, and that area has been more people sunbathing and playing in the creek, and you know things like that, and it's been. That is a re emergence I have not seen in a while, so I so there are ships right. It is not drastic there.

[25:13] I I do not think we will hit a point where there are no tents. That's why I You know this year. I don't know. I don't know what it will like later, but but I will say I do think we've seen some success with the new Protocol, and it's still just a little bit early to tell, and I do think once we get. and then to see if we can get the team down here focused, and then and then have this the second team. If we can break into 2 and hit other geographic areas, too, we'll be able to be a little bit more responsive. We're just not right there yet. But do you think that you will be hamstrung by not enough police department staff to help you to to be determined to. Yeah. I know the Chief and W. Chief. They are working really hard, and if they are totally supportive. And so I I don't want to say the reason this Isn't working is because at least that's not it. But it but it can be a limitation. And

[26:12] again, I know that they're I think they're training 17 new officers from my last check, but it takes a year and a half. Yeah. I mean not to throw anybody under any better at all. But it we can recognize and help to yeah elevate that potential bottleneck to do that for sure. For sure, we are trying to partner more with parks and open space. They're not parks, Rangers, Aren't fully commissioned processors, but we are trying to find creative solutions for how we can partner up with other staff. Yeah, to maybe just add more resources where so we can continue some level of work where where we can go. And again. The team is the wonderful and offering up people in time, and so so that you know, as of this week we had it. I had a parking to come out with us. So this is like, Cut off the presses news, and we'll have to make a little bit

[27:07] that keep on our schedule a little bit. I appreciate your time being here. One of the goals that I have of our permission is more collaboration with other groups. So I know chips on this phone right now. But do you have anything? Thank you. One and 2. As to Joanna, just since she's here, and I don't know if you've gotten it. I I saw you coming up. Sorry a lot. We we spent some time together yesterday, and I do have a couple of questions you mentioned, you try to activate the space after the clean up. What does that mean in you? So I I yeah, that's probably not the exact right. But I will say like when we do a clean up from here to Seventeenth Street, we'll work with both Pd. And Parks and our staff to say the farmers market is coming on Saturday. It's just thing by on Friday, and see what it looks like around the atrium.

[28:00] that type of thing, that activating this case with events that it is just kind of increasing patrols. I'm. Sure that then the other question that the the protocol, the updated protocol there is specifically the reoccupancy in the Max. You kind of spoke to it a little bit, but i'm curious how what kind of tracking it's being done on that, and one of the things I know. This is a kind of what figures this all out and me. It's all very new. anecdotally, only speaking. I totally of late. The sweeps have had had a much bigger impact on the costume. And so I imagine that makes sense. I mean, if you're squeezing the balloon, and people are moving a little bit, but if they're moving out of the creek they're coming to a large part. So i'm wondering how that's being tracked. If it all, and if there's a way we can kind of help tracking that. So what I do know, and I and I can't speak super intelligently to the

[29:05] I do know there's a high utilizer group, so there is a real small portion of ticketed campers that are reinventors right where you know it it like a big percentage of the tickets and about, or to the small group of people. my understanding. But correctly, if i'm wrong if we really track. you know switch tense. So people during the day where they're hanging out is is not something that we track, but for sure, there is blue tent, green tart whatever. And then that is all the kind of meticulous, very particularly documented to keep in track with this. with the photo call, and and we do generally the team, those folks by name. So they know where people are going. We aren't currently tracking. Yeah, we're gonna pull the creek here the next hotspots right? It accepts that it we generally see the same people bouncing back between Open Creek.

[30:03] So in terms of living i'm not sure what the day to day that's great. And then one thing I'm going to be very n to be here. And you did mention that this 72 h legally prescribed. I understand it's policy. It's not ordinance, but it's it's so. But thank you. I sort of appreciate it. and for sure we're up for I mean I I do know, and I hope you take me up on it like the conversation that we had yesterday is about, you know. Stop on them all, and just kind of things like that, and I don't know that we have any perfect so verbal. It's the offer. But I do. We are open, so I think my creative options for how we can mitigate that? That was very yeah. Ambassadors. Are they working on that? Because I think I was a little when you said we're specifically tense.

[31:03] Is there stuff? Who this? There's not a well, what we we're trying to understand is what we can do legally, because there's staff, and we have been people that we've been getting a lot of different information, mostly from these about what we can and can't do, trying to get clarity on that which is not surprisingly not that simple to get clarity on what and lethally do, and we can't legally do what is trashing, what is treasure, and what is the we're talking to? The city attorney? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we're trying to get clarity on that. I'm: sorry if I missed this somewhere. Is there a timeline on the 100 four-seven shelter. That was the next thing I wanted to understand was the day you on this, that operational now? No. So what I know with it is they can new and probably housing human services is the project manager for that, and I believe it's on an end in your timeframe to open this up, right, Chris. They see you guys. So all of the work is happening now, and it's just pretty. Very good.

[32:17] Okay. it gets a location. This is so. Topic. Yeah. yeah. Great? Well, thank you, Joanna. and you pass on. Sure you are up next. Oh, hi, everybody. So I have a a whole lot of things to chat about, but i'll be quick. I think there might be some redundancy in the.

[33:01] We've been really doing a lot of work around homelessness and around activations downtown, so i'll start with the activations. That's fine. We've been talking about homelessness. So in summers here it's coming. We're doing a lot of things coming up. We had our very successful and very fun to look very in health. Best of all, a couple of weekends ago. It was packed down here that you cooperated beautifully. If you haven't been down 10 today or the last couple of days, the 2 of them are just amazing right now. It's really just to the parks for for all their work and and making that happen every year. I don't know it might just be me. But it seems like this year they're just so much more vibrant. So, anyway, that's to a very interesting moment. So but we are doing a number of activations as of about a week ago. We we we're awarded a contract with the the city downtown streets. It's public space program. So we are planning a number of activations. I'm going to talk through them all really quickly. I should have this up 1 min. We have a proposed to.

[34:13] and and we are planning to do a total of 8 activations throughout the summer day during the 4 months of June, July, or September. June is tomorrow. So we're kind of racing, I i'm getting all these done and our goal with these activations in response to the downtown streets as public space, and really looking at Ha, and the recommendations that came from Yale studios in activating, really focusing on 13 streets as an opportunity for that. And really their recommendations also really supported. And somehow we're in in many ways. We're in parallel to the division plan recommendation from Pacific area and connectivity to pacific area and connectivity with c. You and the hail, and this and that. So we're excited for the opportunity to kind of advance some of the goals in the Vision plan and the downtown streets, team goals, and

[35:08] they parks at East Book and design information coming up. So a a lot of these activations are kind of questions like, what does work there in terms of programming? When who do we get there? How do we engage other different communities to activate? So we're trying to do a diversity, events in different types of the dead events, different times, etc. So I hear what we're doing really quickly. We were approached by a a woman who is involved with the downtown business. who has produced June team celebrations in another community and is excited to do that here. So we're working with her hopefully to produce the Jun team celebration here, connecting her with a lot of folks into the in Boulder's black community through the double Acp. And and the center for African American studies and Kansas, and trying to get as many folks connected on that. So that would be looking at June eighteenth.

[36:07] which is a Sunday that would consist of market. You know, black black artists like business owners, market food, musician, vendors, etc. The other June event we're looking at is a real fast, and this would be all things wheels. So the the idea of this we've been partnering with a lot of our both cycle groups by shops, athletic companies, cheered paths, and they're folks to do give various real type things we're looking at doing a bring you a roller skate, Roller skating, rank is on part of the street doing Strider festival. I don't know if you anybody here has a kid knows what Strider is, but if you don't a little bike without pedals they get to by gospel. Of course he was talking to somebody in next

[37:01] exhibition. So all of this is really sort of in the we're Hurry up and planning. We just kind of started this with a a week and a half ago in terms of determining what this is, we have a lot of outreach to do so. A lot of this is here to be ideas that now we're working on to implement tomorrow. So that's a great idea is this on the this? Probably sorry. I jumped ahead of all that. So in response to the the recommendation for the downtown streets. public space. This is all centrally departments, market location, thirteenth screen between around in and Kenya. Though a couple of these opportunities, I think there will be expansion opportunities. In fact, we go festival. One of the things we're hoping to do is work with shared paths, or somebody else to do a. By the parade that could go from that space on Thirteenth. a great cultural corridor. Thirteenth Street. Take you, have a by parade that goes north, south, one or the other, both at 1 point during the day, or maybe a couple of months during the day. So we have a kind of a a

[38:10] family friendly cruiser, right? And that would be on a Sunday. Yeah, and that that's what we're looking at. We we we were talking either a Friday night, the 20 third of June or the 20 fifth Friday night or Sunday afternoon, and I think that the audience would be different. So I think kind of where we're looking at the program. That is probably more of a Sunday type of events. It reminds me of growing up in Philly. We used to Close Street and have it to all bikes, and it would be all families, and like every family went. And I think this is kind of inspired by the kind of that would be a a lot of communities do that. We need to close a long stretch. We're not closing a long stretch, but we're trying to kind of pretend we are, and do some by step and cycle stuff, and the roller skating thing is going to be fine. Whenever we can do that we we can create a parade thing.

[39:07] and Don't anticipate more close. This Thirteenth Street is challenging to close there's a lot of parking access, 5 and in public parking. But we could do a controlled stuff. This is very in the early stages. We're still talking special events, office and police and other people about all of these things. But I think that's the idea of how do we kind of make a a Mini-six? It would be a there's not really a street downtown that works for that. That's a long stretch. I know that happened in the East End. That's many years ago, and to some success depending on who you ask, I suppose. But so that's kind of that idea. I it's moving into July. This is the one we are looking at doing on a Saturday after the farmers market which which there are challenges with that. But I think this will work for this. We're looking at a social dance event so inviting older dance, coalition, Avalon and mothers to do kind of brief dance lessons with social dancing, Latin dance, all setting up contradicts whatever kind of social dance. Maybe some you have performances from it's groups. March hit. Yeah, definitely. We'll have some Irish stepping up since

[40:18] I've got the the upper half of that. Now, I'm: pretty good at that i'm not Irish, but I i'm not Irish, but I so that's the 20 s of July then looking at the 28 of July, and I will say these dates. We really challenge it, because there's so much going on. There's so many other activations we're trying to to kind of fit in. And there's other events that we want to leverage, and, like the the wheel festival, is during bike to work week. So we partner with them right. There's other things that we're trying to avoid. There are a few arts in the park.

[41:00] and that's happening in Manhattan this week. There's festivals. There's there's other things, and of course, as far as the choice. We July 20 eighth. this the date. All these dates are fairly nailed down, but somewhat tended to this. I'm not sure if this is a Friday or a Sunday, but we're looking at a garden party, public picnic in the party put out tables and chairs and lenin, and maybe have some good tracks, but also brick, invite him to bring their own picnic. This is the nice of that that ties in the park with the streets, so we'll set up tables and chairs in the street, probably a long table community dinner, but it's a pop back, but partnering with the farmers marketing on a lot of these events to provide food, whether it's from their vendors. I think they we were talking to them. They were excited about, maybe inspiring some of their farmers to put together picnic baskets to sell the day before the event. but having a way to tie in the part as well as the street. So that's our our picnic in the park. Okay, you're gonna love this one. I love this man in August. We're doing it, yappy hours, and which will be a dog. Events of some kind. What that looks like we will figure out we're going to count on all these of people to tell us what we're talking about

[42:21] for dogs. Obstacle course is whatever they'll do you up Friday. Yeah, whatever the the dog party is, and that's that looks like a Friday evening events that's going to be August eleventh if the tentative date and we will get all of these States or tend to chip at this point where we're trying to nail them down as soon as possible, so we can start to try a lot of things in summer and see what's yeah. And I think I think, being informed from that, both in terms of programming what worked. So next year we can like if we decide we want to do a

[43:03] yeah, yeah, or every month, or every week, or whatever we've learned from this. Yeah. But and also how the space works. I mean, there's an extraordinary opportunity this summer that our department is working on phase 2 of the the civic renovation moment, so like the the So this can really inform that how the space works, what are the problems? What are the opportunities there? So that that's yeah, yeah, we, we. This one, I think, is is we had something that's not gonna work. We were talking about a welcome back to you party. There's some challenges there with date time, but I think we were trying to look at something, maybe, that's geared towards seeing parents to do something. But this is this is the the late August One is still very up in the air. We do what we were doing yesterday, and now that's changing 2 more. One was there September eighth

[44:01] on Friday and late afternoon. We're gonna do a pre stampede party. So if you've been down to the stampedes before the game, it's really fun, we get the the band and the the players and everybody in that, and then it's praying. They go away. So we're gonna take an opportunity to use the the street in the area out there to have a meet and great with players before the stampede. So we have some time throw around, for balls. Have it more of a a community event. That's not just one thing, though, the event, but having more social, more activity, and maybe have. And you finally take a moment technology that's you and's basketball team for. But we're looking at doing something before that. The the per, the stampede brain. And I you don't take is that coach point. Okay? Oh, I love that. Yeah, I'm sure we can get that. And then finally, the end of September on the 20 fourth we're doing an our day kind of centered around

[45:06] the not the most of a one of the most staff has done this chalk for peace event where street art. So we're doing kind of a number of visual arts activities in the street, setting up things for people to paint on. Who knows what it is. We'll reach out to you studios and plan your folks. There's anything kind of visual that we can do. That is the same during our all fast weekend, and this is another opportunity to kind of look at Thirteenth Street. More. It's a connectivity trying to thinking about how we can activate one Boulder Plaza and Thirteenth Street, south of Pearl Street a little bit, As I mentioned, there are some challenges with access to the Wells Fargo parking lot, and also the windows, applies a parking lot. But there's things we can do that I can create a little bit of bread phones, but to connect to the dots between those 2 events, so that that's where we are today

[46:07] with our Thirteenth Street activations. We have a bit to figure out. We have a great team working on it. and you'll hopefully be hearing a lot more about it very soon as we try to nail down the details and start the marketing. So a random question. But for this, this big events of like a 1 million vendors, you know, like that. That's, too, are those local vendors that they just anyone and everyone. And so it's wondering that so we do too big our affairs we do. And then and then there's other festivals on the part that that we do. The home count fast, and I know they have to do that. So we don't do those. Okay. But the 2 we do. The the Pro street are small. I believe it's not exclusively for a local artist, but it's a lot of local artists. It's also UN nationalized like that. We're not just submissions from wherever so it's not. It's a specific, but we do end up getting a lot of

[47:05] local and regionally local artists for that for sure Fall fast. We partner with Firefly, and that's that's less narrow in terms of media. It's not just fine art. It's makers, it's it's it's a lot of different things, and I think that is more like that. We currently we work with Firefly, who does the the vendors for that? And we do that the the better garden and kind of stage in the for that. Okay. Yeah, but it's it's a mix. Yeah, I think I I was last time I let it go. Huge the amount of vendors and it felt also random. Okay. like a random mix of who knows what I think? I I was a little bit disoriented about like there was the kids area. It was really like there, and I was there with my daughter. But then the other areas I couldn't like even now where to go or navigate.

[48:03] and so I just like stayed away, and I thought that was one of the challenges. Some of these big festival, where. like the amount of vendors and the volume of types of vendors is almost overwhelming like there's no theme and no purpose to it where the art feels like very. and it like, i'm gonna go and see our versus right. So there's there's 2 different festival. The Pearl Street Arts Festival is much more of an art. I apologize. I apologize for that. We are well beyond time, and I want to hang this on our discussion here because this is can general about my apologies. What I going back to downtown streets, public spaces. This is all for Thirteenth, which I think is really interesting. Has anything public wants That's cool. Can you talk to us about the discussions around?

[49:03] I know my personal opinion, but to appease the public any discussions around West Pearl for these kinds of activations or other things. You know, we we this scope at the city put out from the the West, from the downtown space kind of represented what the the consultant said around doing regular activations on 13 and perhaps periodic events on the West End. and i'll be really honest as an organization if a lot of stakeholders are not interested in it, and it's not a priority, You know. We've really spent a lot of time on the vision plan, and so we wanted to work on the both of division and the West for all it wasn't part of that really even part of that. And I think if other people are interested in doing events on the West end. We can have that conversation it for us. We've heard loudly clear from the rest in restaurants that they don't want to close street, that they, you know we did part of the we. We are doing some other activations as part of a commercial district activation program that we're working with the city on, and we do the outcry festival in the fall. We're doing the West End race, and we're doing outdoor movies, and they're probably our placeholder tester won't fall over. Utilize some of the less.

[50:24] and we're not doing much beyond that. you know. I I think there are some people with some interest in trying to do some things on the West End for us If we're going to do an event in the business district, we really want the businesses to at least be on board. If not, you know, like, and there they it's. There's no interest there for them. So if you think the community is at, you know we have to. We work for the business community. And and I think hopefully that, taking the understanding what the community is wanting and desiring, that is like gathering spaces and the engagement, and I have to figure out where we can do that. We're also a big part of what we're really looking at. Separate from this this summer is activating the Pearl Street model.

[51:11] We have lost a lot of the population on Pro Street Mall in terms of office users and weekday steps, and we're really looking at, you know. Activating in the West End on weekends is a very low priority for us, activating the Pearl Stream all on weekdays is dire, right? And so that's kind of where we're focusing our efforts. And this this work for Thirteenth Street, you know, because it you understand it. It makes sense. It supports long term goals. The West End. We we're not driving that that help that I was looking for that answer something like that. Yeah, Thank you. I know my personal opinion. So I try to. Yeah, I think the public fix it on that now. But maybe

[52:01] we start generating. It's not more activity on the other core, or that one of the things that I think after our last. the planning meeting we all had together. it's got to communicate to the City Council more. and so i'm interested in the other Commissioners. If you wanted to end up writing like a letter support for any of these types of things, whether it's for the work that the Joanna and her team are doing any communication to the support for versus West End. If we wanted to ever take a position along such things. to make some sort of resolution to pass the Council to say we like what's going on, or or or anything else, you know. I think we can. up to council more and make our voices heard. I definitely be in support of sharing something. Oh. increase support for police staffing, for joining team. I think

[53:04] the activations they are what they are for this year, and we should just wait and see what happens, and let the good people that are going to put these events on. Oh, no. Where do you? Yeah, that that's my sense that we should be selected about what we Yeah, Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I'm: not. I'm. Not sure. I think it's my answer, because reading the survey and I know well get to it like the I. I had some takeaways of which I feel like ours connected to the 2, maybe 2 or 3 big issues that I saw in there that people kept bringing up, which are all this interconnected. We have around the downtown and people not you like, say. and or people feeling like it's too expensive

[54:03] by law. I'm sure to just do anything. and I I think it's the problem. Feel so big that I don't even know like what this is right yet, until there was like another key program that we're like. That's support and kind of amplify other people's efforts, and I I think Joanna's feels like one of them around the civic center area. Because is that technically district. Yeah. So I I think that feels like it could be a focus thing that we support. But again, like I I don't. I hear a definitive answer like, do they need more money? Do they need more staff like? Are they waiting so it it it feel it would feel too high, level it to be effective. Potentially. I'll keep this in the back of your mind, because this one thing that I think we, as a commission wanted to do is communicate to Council over. even if it is

[55:01] I'd rather communicate some of the not personally, too. We are behind schedule. So anything else that you want to do really, quickly. And I probably guys, i'm so excited about the summer that I just go on and I. We have a downtown boulder. Partnership has been working for the last almost 6 months with the building chamber and at getting to a policy framework for homelessness solutions from the business community. We've had hosting a number of forums. We made a field trip to Denver and learned a lot from a lot of people, and we came out with the setup policy recommendations. Each of our boards are in the process of approving it. My board is, I know where to group it tomorrow or Thursday, but once we do that, I will forward that to this group, and it really kind of speaks to a lot of what we are recommending. And so some of the after a lot of learning and a lot of input from from everybody who would talk to us from service providers on the house, folks themselves criminal justice, the courts to the a. To jail, everybody. We've talked to people in Denver, so we came up with a kind of policy set, so we'll share that with you. And just to your point on that might be something this group can get behind and support it because it was really I I mean, I will say it was a very thoughtful process, and I think we ended up with a document that we didn't all start on the same page when we came to Here's the charity that come out

[56:29] that we can all get behind. It would be like. You can show that we you Thursday afternoon. right? I mean, I could share that. Really, it's just Won't be a room can share directly to us, Chris, or does he have to send it to you guys, and you distribute it to us to the public document? It it can be much we improve it? Who will be some version of it as long as it's.

[57:01] But we're also happy to. Yeah, you do that. I just wanted to have an action plan. Yeah, how to do it. Yeah, that'd be good. With that in mind I had a procedural question for this. I know we can't have group conversations outside of our meetings. but we can have one on one conversations. What happens? Should we have an email conversation? Let's say, we want to discuss this and say, let's break this letter, and we will knock it together, or we write a word, Doc, and pass it back and forth, and we like, say when you think, what do you think? Instead of everyone going through like me as a central person, or the 2 of them talking, or where what happens. So anything that is discussed over email is more than one other commissioner needs to be publicly shared.

[58:00] So it requires a lot of work on our end to then clean it up. After that's all occurred. So it's certainly our strong preference that there's not a lot of. But we need 2 months to have a feedback on something that happens 2 days after this meeting. But and that's so. Individual feedback is okay. But if you're wanting a a formal body, or do you operate as a body? And when you're emailing altogether, you're operating this body, let's say that I start a word document, or Susan does. She sends it to me. I get my feedback, and then I send it to Justin. Keep, adds his comments. It's a collaborative document. We're maybe having all our voices in one document. Sure. Can we do that? Yeah, however, I would suggest that that would maybe be better modern. But through the secretary as opposed to that approach. Just so we can be really sure that that's how it's happening. This is. I feel

[59:01] constrained in our efficacy By meeting on one hand, I mean group session once a month means more for you guys and stuff, but it's still good to talk so. Maybe if we do have a resolution or something we want to talk about. We can. I say something? We' to the at least, so could you distribute this, and then you go and send it to the individuals right first. Is finding 2 months. Yeah, yeah. Great? Yeah. Thank you for that. If you don't, I didn't mean to cut block. I have done I the the only other thing I will add. Maybe Chris will speak to it, and just wanted to announce that we've been expanded. The Ambassador program on the show history, which is very good, and it, you know it's to help out there. We have dedicated full Time team lead on the hill, and and that was partly into to do a contribution from the Universities

[60:05] right? Or is that team? Do you feel like all the teams are sufficiently staff? Or, if you feel like you could still use more. Oh, I was on the Mall on Friday night, and there was a pretty There's not an incident, but someone. People were very nervous and afraid, and there's I didn't see anyone around or so. I've kind of got them we can at least use, for I mean at night. In particular, we have. like normally, 2 2 staff on after certain period it was, it was like it 7. Yeah, that's about when we drop off, and it depends on the so we can always use more. I tell you my personal opinion. I think we need more outreach to our team. Does a lot of kind of homeless outreach, but they're very eliminated in their scope. So I think that's the but we can always use more like presence is meaningful, even if they can't, They don't do anything. Actually, I feel like it's.

[61:08] There is no one around, no police. So anyone around there is someone that seems like a monkey, and like running around and scaring children it it was. All of parents are like very upset by it, and there is no there, and so I you know I didn't feel like oh, there was. We could be a supportive. and I was fine. I just picked up my children and like moved away. But I felt like, even if they couldn't do anything. If they were there the public would have felt sure that there's someone there I mean I it's yes, that we can always use more, you know, 2 and even 3 people. It's a big district, because they're covering. So you know, in the category and kind of a lot of space. So you know we do now have a rangers down challenge helps. I don't know Rangers are able to write citation. We're starting to see them finally. It helps, but they're always more is, I think it's an effective program. So a lot of it, I think I think, for my opinion is that, like

[62:09] like we need to spend money, a lot of money on it like the public, it's a break, and i'm comfortable coming downtown like, and presence helps, and like this whole survey that we read, it is like 50 of it is. I don't come downtown anymore, because of these incidents, and I I think that people are a little. Maybe we hope they won't. Be as afraid. But I think presence helps non police presence, too. We talked about that being okay to not bring it into it, but help people to have it feel safe. It's it. It does work. You said, there's a drop off that 7. Is that like when you drop down the 2 bastards, a few or 3, I know it. Yeah. And that goes and totally. Yeah. Okay. I think that's right. I mean, honestly, I don't. I'm not the weeds on the

[63:03] it could be in like if we would support increasing funding from the program. Would that do anything? I mean, but here and more staff? So right now we with the it's a split cost. We pay about 40% in the city pays about 60% of the overall program, and we both both the city and and the business and ribbon. This would pay a lot of in kind as well. We bit in kind of the city provides space in in other support, so you know our but it's Max on this. I know the city has a lot of priorities, but it's you know it's. I think it's such a great program, because it's not police, which there's a lot of downsides by police and a sort of setting. and it makes people feel safe, and it's cost effective because it's a They're not very skilled staff. They're not very expensive. I imagine they're very sealed. They're very in terms of the cost of that. So it feels like some type of program that we would support, because it's really high, which are my investment. Let's think about that as part of our yeah.

[64:11] I I do want to move on. I'm just it'sent agenda. Did anyone Have I have one question the outdoor dining section and mentioned how many people had signed up again, and I was just confused with the way it was written. I up to screening of it was that it had 23 people's businesses signed up last year for our dining this year 9 restaurants signed up. Is that correct? So I'm: 23 are currently participating in the program from the previous I'll be 9 additional 2, yeah, to just the proof of 7. Actually.

[65:00] So. Does that mean we're at? So so it's increase. Okay, because the way the way it was written made it sound like we went for 23 to 7. It's my! That's why I was like refused to the way it was written. I said, oh, my God! We have the last drop on it's actually it looks really nice. I mean, I so nice. I think you guys did a really good job I wanted to for a M. That, like just it looks so much more put together and professional, and like more uniform, but also stylish at the same time. So I think I think it sounds like a successful program. Nice work. you? That's been good in general. Yeah, for the most part we haven't done any official survey or anything but okay when the businesses are a little salty.

[66:00] Okay. applicants. Do you have an agenda item later? I don't know Lisa, if you have anything to share right now, but maybe we could. That's moving on to fund financials. and we also have a budget review later as well. so maybe we'll pull off on that hearing that's okay. So if we can address questions. I think that's that's when my question comes up. So let's let's hold it all till then. Alright. we are scheduled 45 min for this anything we can do to Well, quick. Yeah, it helps that we don't have members of the public here for public hearing. We wanted to make sure we didn't have time just in case we had books here. This is what language a comment after.

[67:06] So Sam is here to present on the materials that are provided in your packet to go through, and then we do have a formal forward. Yeah. i'll try to make it a little bit shorter. So for tonight's presentation i'm going to give a brief overview of the experience. I know you for a little bit about it. But just to recap. and then we'll review the financial analysis for the proposed fee changes. We'll have a a public hearing if any public show up, and then commissioners can have a discussion and move to formal functions. So what a stateless it's a garage without a gates! I think you guys get the picture here. We've been working over the last year to make this happen with our selected vendor metropolis. We have a representative in front tonight, so if any questions come up. We do have some additional support there.

[68:10] the user experience. And then you get the system users pride into the garage. They'll find a part parking spot. They'll sign up for account with metropolis one time, and then they'll drive out when they're ready to leave, and that ends their visit for every future visit to any of the 5 Kg. Garages. Users are automatically graded with the welcome text from Metropolis. which will indicate that their parking session has begun, and all they need to do then in session is, Try it out. you slick. This is an example of what the web based. Application will look like for registered users. So it's nice that there's also a map in there, so that users will remember where they part. which is by an issue in the past. Is there a way to pay without and online? I'm thinking of my mother. There is going to be a text to pay option, so like no phone at all.

[69:05] No phone at all. There's not gonna be an option there, I mean ahead of time. If she wanted to get set up she could either visit or call our customer service staff, and they can block the person through getting an account set up. But other than that. those are, our options still give us her license plate and your credit card number. Get our sign, and then first couple of weeks to and I think i'll get this in the presentation we'll have a really heavy stock presence, so that they'll be there Getting people signed up and helping people use the application. Validations is one of the really interesting features of the metropolis platform. So businesses interested in providing parking validations can sign up for an account with the track list, and then offer these Pr. Code to their customers businesses to manage

[70:10] all of that, all of what they want to do for validations directly through the online portal. There's the QR. Code. And then for users who are who don't want to use the QR code, the business can actually go into the back office type in the license plate and validate the parking session. So a little more like love that way. If the business you do that the businesses want to do that have they expressed interest in doing that right? The validations are very popular amongst businesses currently in the garages in our yeah, so that our garage is currently we have a validation program where we're still exploring on street validation. That's a whole separate topic. But they are popular for the garages. And yeah, they pay for their customers parking

[71:07] so citations and the current gated systems, the gates themselves act as enforcement, because until you pay there will be 3 components to our enforcement of the new system first. Obviously, it's educational, so we'll have. Well place instructional signage throughout the garage. We'll have, as I mentioned, our staff as well as the travelers step on site for the roll out, for you know the first week or so to make sure that we're doing that out outreach and making sure people. Well, with this, and then additionally, we'll have an automated component to enforcement. So because it's all a cannabis system, the camera will capture picture of the license plate, and we can issue citations through to directly through the Dmp. Kind of precinct to the users address. And then

[72:04] the third is, you know, if there is repeat offenders who are consistently not paying a hopeless to be generated to that Bar enforcement stuff. Further action. You know what the typical right for I guess metropolis is for people like that thing. So if it high, it's not, I mean so in terms of I can't say across all of the industry, because I don't know. What we've heard is from a similar example of this of a garage. I think it it was like 10% non compliance with payment so supposedly. That's quite low for these types of systems. I'm not sure across the industry in general, but we it's complicated because there's Folder Junction is a call on garage, and there's a lot of hotel users there that are white listed, so they're not paying so like the transactions that we see. Don't represent how much the garage is being utilized, so I could tell you like how many citations for issue last year, and I think it was the tune of like 6,000, or something like that. I'll have to look in my notes.

[73:16] but so that that would be after, like the anything would be avoided. But we don't know how like we don't have the data on like how many times people enter the garage. We all need transactions. So we're. but not how many people were in there, because there's all these people who Aren't actually paying for parking to use that garage, so it's not a good comparison. Unfortunately we did look into that. So it's like metropolis. Do the overhead for all this citations? Or is that It' be done by the city, because that seems very expensive and distracting. They have to write, and then it's like the citation process. When there's currently 0 citations from a a gate garage. Well, it's Still, it's still one of the items that we're actually actively negotiating with that. So I can't give you a precise answer, but I can tell you that it is, it's going to be automated as much as possible. So it won't be like

[74:14] city staff going and writing out a ticket every time. One thing that we will have access to city staff will have access to the metropolis and platform, so they can go through the garage to see if there's anyone who Hasn't signed up for an account, and then put like a piece of paper. I know there would show that it's like you sign up. So there's that soft enforcement component to that we can use. And I think we're hopeful that you know we'll we'll have pretty. I mean the tickets as well like the citations themselves. We're hoping that they'll look like something like the what you'll get when you are caught by one is red light enforcement, or the speed enforcement where it's had to be able to logo, and you know, looks It's really official. So the outcome for not paying, because there's always conversation I've read it as like. Do I need to pay my photo red light? Well, that's where this hopeless kind of comes into play, because we have, like stock, lawless and things like that where, if you have a certain amount of unpaid tickets, we can.

[75:21] So you know the enforcement. I'm sorry to pause, but we so we have 4 chance. That I have not noticed is that we need to look at. You know, a public stumbling. No, that link is commenting on some details on that. Okay. So and then sorry there. So you're not worried about the increased overhead because it sounds like that's a downside. You have an option of working handles, 100% of it, or sorry. but I was.

[76:05] And so we're in negotiations of understanding how much they're going to lean on us. We also want to make their operation as because there are the costs associated to it. So either there's a financial component to it, or there's because we do do. Unfortunately, garage is currently we do. There are folks that hit the call button every time they don't have their credit card, and you know, so it's a factor, and we'd be directly down, and we get through the license. That information will be so. That's that's the new ones that we're not exactly it's not. We haven't signed a contract yet to I explicitly say what the approach is going to be, but it' be it's currently on metropolis. or pieces of it could be involving some stuff. and we factored in some of the non-compliance into our financial analysis. So we'll see that we we we've. We've

[77:03] that's it accommodated for that, I guess, in our in our analysis. Are you sharing that? Or I'm going to be sharing a high level? And maybe I can get into if we really need to. I have like a a slide that. But let's see what questions do you have at the end? In addition to the Gaylist infrastructure we are recommending the purchase of a parking guided system. This is also called a Pgs. You'll hear me report this Pgs for 1,500 Pearl, Saint Julian, and 1,100 spruce. It's a series of cameras or sensors which determine how many vehicles that enter or exited the different levels within the garages, so there'll be digital signage like what you see. So when you drive in and you're facing the decision number of do I turn what you're right. or go up or down, there'll be that digital signage, saying, there's this many spaces in this direction, and this is the other direction. I'll just help you make a decision.

[78:04] and it's just a really nice kind of customer experience feature for the garages. So installation of the new gateless system will result in changes both for customers utilizing the garages as well as the community Vitality department operations. There are both savings and expenses associated with change. Some of the savings include the cost of operating at Mit, making the current gates. the physical tickets and RFID cars, and it's 24, 7, on all customer service. Some of the expenses associated with the new system include the installation fees. You signage additional customer service and enforcement support for education. marketing, and communications, and the maintenance of the new Pgs system system. The biggest change for users will be the associated transaction, the reset metropolis charges for utilization of their fee based platform. and those are detailed on the top of this slide.

[79:07] I on the left side of the slide underneath that I have all of our current parking rates. and then on the right side is the pricing in the garage with the new recoverless transaction on top of that, so you can kind of see the Delta there. and we can. I'm back to the slide because I'm imagining there will be questions about this. But I want to go over the financial analysis and 3 scenarios that we've looked at. So we conducted a financial analysis to understand the implications of the contact to be on top of the city's current parking rate structure emails. The the analysis evaluates various options for addressing the price of garage parking to potentially offset a portion of the transaction, feed

[80:04] for users that analyze 3 different scenarios for reducing the cost of the first hour of parking in the garages, to determine whether to offset or partially offset the new transaction fees. These are compared to the table on the slide along with the cost, for on street parking. and that also underneath. That is the the you on Street High demand parking, which is part of the performance based pricing initiative that we rolled out just about a month ago. So the 3 scenarios are scenario one. We passed the full transaction fee. The 99 cents along to the user scenario 2 is, we reduce the cost of the first hour of parking in the garages by 49 cents, which essentially subsidizes the transaction, be by half and scenario 3, which is we reduce the cost the first hour of parking by 99 cents, which essentially subsidizes the transaction fee entirely.

[81:06] So Those are the 3 scenarios that we looked at less than the 45 cents per transaction. In addition to that, yeah, Sorry. That's really small. That's what the transaction fee is when you use part mobile on street. So part mobile is only for on street, and slowly we've been seeing a shift over time of people paying instead of on a kiosk more on Park Mobile. It's about 50, 50 right now, but it's changed really dramatically, especially in areas like Chautauqua. It like When we started the camp it was like 70% paying on kiosk, 30% on part mobile. And right now it's fully full. So people are willing to pay for that convenience. I don't think they know that this I never know. There's this transaction thing, and if I did, I promise I like I think we I wouldn't do it. I mean there's something to be said for the fact that people don't

[82:12] well, so the transaction fee is going to be on top. It'll be like a separate line. Item, and we're gonna have posted signs for it outside of the garages. But i'll just continue, and then we can or or not. maybe let's just later. And if so, tell me that's, fine, but at 99 cents or that section how many transactions happened every week? You! How much money are we giving to or with this 99? 70 and again, if it if you're going to address it later. Then we can wait. But just curious well that it the assumptions that are in the model currently are close to half a 1 million. So it's about 540,000

[83:01] all parking. Obviously those are virtual hitting as people coming back downtown, getting into the garage. So the model is a combination of transient partners as well, or people who are just coming from the day versus but both of those scenarios do these associated with them, then I for a transient and the And so. yeah. after analyzing both the expenses and savings associated with changing to the metropolis platform staff recommended to do, is recommending adoption of scenario, 2 which would lower the cost of the first hour, parking by 49 cents it's recommended because it's a the most revenue neutral options, and be because it's in line with what's charged by the part mobile app, or on street parking. Also it's still positions the garages as the best deal in town for parking sessions lasting to the hours or more in duration, so which reinforces

[84:10] you know what we've been trying to teach people, which is that on street parking is really a really great option for short sessions, whereas the garages are where you want to go for your longer. Additionally, over time. This adoption of scenario with people still result in revenue for the garages. as many of the costs associated with transition, or one time piece for installation. So you know, as part of new grows for the years, I think community be reinvested in, teach it. And then other initiatives that are really important to good to you. They all in in the first hour it any where any audience is explored to like hammer tries to go for more than 1 h, if we're saying like for longer time parking instead of giving them the full money, for if they leave within 1 h. what about doing that like?

[85:04] And I think what we're suggesting is that we're we're kind of we're subsidizing the fee by reducing the cost for our parking. So it, you know we could consider like spreading that out over 2 h like first hour. Parking is 50 cents second hour. Parking is 50 cents; third hour parking goes back to the dollar 25, and then there's still a 99 fee to you on top of that. So that's something that you know the Commission wants to entertain. We can entertain that we were facing our analysis of of just the first hour of parking. Because everyone will you? Don't want to pay at least half of this out, right. I'm sure. There's grace period like you drive in. You drive so anybody that parks there. After 15 min we're selecting the the first hour.

[86:04] no matter what? Essentially? No. No. But if you still longer 15 min, you will have a 99 cent transaction, the and you're paying at least that 99 cents. Okay. because there is going to be a some transaction. So if we were to entertain the like, if the lead ending our subsequent more hours. then somebody who's staying for an hour is going to to a more than they have been used to. Oh. whereas we're we're trying to do is is kind of as well at that first hour soon over time it. It's almost in scenario to the same as what you're paying for the 30 min, and the 45 min Park are paying a fee regardless. So we're still.

[87:00] Yeah, I don't know we're still collecting and kind of subsidizing some of this further a longer term party all right, and so and the more we it's it's the more hours the folks who are saying less than an hour is going to be, You know a bit more painful for them right in the out that they in a way. That's what they do. I'm press like the one you stay. Maybe the more you're spending down here. So let's go with the 49 set on just for easy enough. 50 cents first hour. We give you 25 cents off second I will give you another 25 cents off. and then we give you 50 cents over 2 h instead of 50 cents in 1 h that way, instead of some people may not hit it. They only be within 1 h. So we're we're not eating. certainly giving them 25 cents off versus 50 cents on. and I I do want to make sure that when we say 50 cents out, somebody still has to pay the full 90% transaction. So it depends on how much cage it wants to subsidize for the Parker.

[88:12] We all subsidize it more. We'll subsidize it 25 cents a second ever for kind of accounts. I'm generally like scenario, too, but I just wondered if we could like, instead of getting all the money back in the first hour. That's something to do the first hour we would split it. Hey? Spread it. Reason why I like to is because numbers are rounded. The first one is horribly annoying, like so kissed off if I didn't take it for 3 49. I was like what like to be. You know, like I think there's something psychologically about the under $2. That's really important, and it also being like a like a kind of common amount. So I that's actually why I like to, and why I think one is, you know definitely. Which is. It's a weird answer. But the perception of parking price it. It's something that I make, though.

[89:09] and I don't think people think parking is that expensive? So when you the open $2 they'll still look on rounded because of the what the dollar 75. I've like split up like I've added them together, but realistically, it's gonna be like. you know, 49 cents for the first hour, plus 99 cents and fees or maybe it's 59, 51 cents. So it's. But then what the person pays is going to be the dollar 75, but they'll see that transaction separately. You're like legally bound to show it to them or something. I guess that's you. Do You have to break it out? Is it just so? Metropolis provides the platform. I don't know that they have examples where you just pull it all into one could be. Yeah, Psychologically, it's like it feels like you're over complicating something to have one thing parking, and then have a transaction feed bus another fee like

[90:09] because it's quite right that are like $3 to park here for an hour so, and to get a little bit, so we can talk with them about that. We we really need to make sure we get to as a decision on the the structure. I would what you know. One thing that drove staff in the development of scenarios is this concept that driving or parking in the garage is most of portable option. So just one or $2 that, to the suggestion of of spreading the subsidy out over 2 h. if it correct me if i'm wrong. But that means that in this scenario you know the scenario 2 a would be first hour is $2 yeah. round $2, and then the second hour is 2, 75.

[91:07] Does that still mean enough? Of the the philosophy around the garage is being the the most affordable. Is that an appropriate driver for our decision making process. and something that you'd like us to entertain? Well, I think that's worse, because i'd rather park, on street net. Anything else like. Frankly, the garages smell like you're in or dark, and I think that's part of the problem. It's like we want it to be an attractive place, and it's the price is higher than on like noticeably higher than on street, or the same as on Street High demand. I don't think we can compete. Yeah. So I I i'm supportive of keeping it lower and maybe like, so maybe it looks. Let's say, finish for

[92:00] presentation. I do know that we have some suggestion. Most motion language, I think, was included in your packet. We have some for you that, and then, if there's some amendments that we'd like to entertain right? Okay, One last recommendation, which is on the citation fees, because this is, I think that's going to be a kind of a new introduction to the garages we are recommending, maintaining $30 fee for non payment violation, and the Katie provides for consistency and experience and expectations. This is the P. That's charged in Boulder Junction Depos square garage, and also it's the base speed for most violations, for on street parking, which currently are on a graduated find schedule, but that $30 is the first. the first instance. So that's our our second recommendation. and then hopefully, i'll go over a nice steps for the project.

[93:01] We'll be executing the contract very soon, preparing a comprehensive communications plan to notify the public of the coming changes, installing and testing the cameras to ensure functionality, transitioning our permit holders onto the new metropolis platform. installing new science in the garages, and finally removed the gates and transition into the metropolis platform on October first. So you have 3 questions for the Doubt time, and it commission. and the first one I'll ask and get your feedback. On the second 2 will be. You can ask me questions. Then we'll launch the public hearing, and if there is any public, and then we'll move to formal motions. So my questions are. That's Dmc: You have any questions or feedback about the post next steps for the implementation as Dmc support Staff's recommendation on of adopting scenario to, and the cost of the first hour, and the garage is by 49 cents. And the Cmc. Support Staff's recommendation of a job in a citation, be of $30 to 19 consistency to find across the city's parking assets.

[94:16] And if you need me to return to a previous slide. let me know there's a lot of numbers on that, and I know it's it's hard to keep them all in mind. I'm I to be honest, i'm struggling with this. Yeah, the return on investments not clear to me. It's a lot of money. and I just I know that this is something you've been working on for a while, but I guess I don't personally see that this is the best use of funds. It's about a half 1 million dollars a year. It's a lot of money, and that's that's the transaction piece, right? We're not going to be paying the trouble with that amount of money. That's what they'll be making off of the transaction fees that are coming from the users

[95:00] We're spending 250 grand well at this point, and again we're still in contract negotiations. There is a a share of transaction. See above, I think, right now the current negotiations, the 250,000 transactions that the city would be to 6% share and 40% from the top list. So it's not just straight back. And so those are some of the considerations that we're certainly looking into to make it. How much are we spending right now? Are you so going high level through kind of some of the elements that some kind of talked about. We've got credit card. See? Transactions, tickets that have magnetic strips on them, the gate repairs or maintenance staff working with our on call, which is the who you call we can. It's credit card to work those types of things. The RFID cards for our permitted folks services that actually provide the gates in connection with our point of sales system.

[96:04] and so that those are the the expenses that we're looking at. It's kind of treated in point a single number that's going into all of those. because there is a share across the district on some level of that. and as far as expenses that we're looking at. We've got the one time metropolis coming through the Pgs system any marketing to make sure that the public as well where these changes, and has access to get signed up. And then again kind of some of the maintenance enforcement considerations. And so what we did is try as best we can to make it revenue. So what that power? How much are we going to save from our current operations, and how much are we picking up? So from our cost expense. The scenario to that Sam is presented brings us as close to revenue neutral. But I' a true expenditure. Perspective. Certainly the it's similar to what you just brought up. Kind of as far as people don't know that they're paying that 45 cent transaction on the street with part mobile.

[97:12] Maybe there's something more we can do to help share that information, but it's not something that goes into the city's budget got something that was transaction. So this project is not cut the city's neutral in terms of budgeting on this. That that was I mean I was I. It seemed like I couldn't get out of that like the return on investment. Isn't. it's neutral. We're we're just trying to like shift over some of the stops Scenario 2 is neutral in scenario one we would be revenue, positive and scenario 3. We would be losing revenue, at least in the first year. Okay. And so that's why that was part of the decision to recommend scenario to, because we're we're not going to be a ton of revenue by subsidizing the the cost. The transaction fee by half at least for

[98:07] protein users. The public thing for this. Yeah, Well, actually, in increased parking base. Yeah. the usage. Yeah. The users okay. And that's revenue neutral over it out of the and then it will. Yes, out of the gate, and then it will, has the potential to have some positive implications for future years, knowing that there's a lot of one time expenses which I've to kind of kind of based on usage as it is now. and using numbers similar to that to project out. And we did look at, You know there's going to be a little bit of drop in revenue from some non-compliance. We fact that in yeah, we're looking at 2,022. We're kind of basing up

[99:05] we're hoping that it's not more sales. Thanks. Is there a mechanism for the permits for permit sharing. There's a lot of different flexibility, and it's something that we're. As soon as we have a pen contract we'll get into the details. But there are enterprise accounts that allow for flexibility. Folks being able to use a permit, so the department would be set up so that one person can use it most premise and use anybody else. I'm seeing on that. Maybe there's 3 different licenses on a permit, but one triggers it, and those 2 are going to have to pay, but as long as it's just number 2 or number 3, and they'll be all the user that. and that's true for the Enterprise accounts. I don't know if that's true, for, like individual permit holders. So that's just like a point output. Yeah. Okay. I'm: sorry. No, No, no, no, no. it's. It seems like

[100:01] business that I used to work for shared permits, and it seems like with people not coming to the office every day. It's gonna be a sure right? So you're not spending money on it for that. So can we? We have enough to. But as i'm, the student can ask one a quick question with the So how long is that all out period, usually where you have someone on the premise? Oh, okay, significant. Okay. And but there is no way for Susan's mom to pay like there is like, if you don't have a phone or your and what's your like, my parents. It's technology in your once you sign up with the system you never need to gauge again. I might. I guess you can sign your suit, and you're looking at this. They're gonna like a weekend. Yeah, can you? I guess

[101:04] if you can attach somebody to your account like multiple licenses to your account. You can maybe set up your family members and my understanding that correct it's kind of like a Mini Enterprise account. I guess they're gonna be like don't have a phone. Here's what you do. but people aren't just like if they, you know. If our our metropolis staff is on site, they can. They'll probably have an ipad that they can use to help people sign up with those people. Don't have a phone, so if they catch them in the first sign piece. There's there's there's other outreach opportunities that we're looking into to try and get out into the get the word out. People could sign up, and if they's as much as possible. So those are things we're going to be looking into for our communications plan. I guess. Bottom line. There's no way to have a kiosk there, you can still just go punching your number.

[102:14] Coding man. The whole point is, just register once, like when you drive on the toll road right? You don't worry about driving up the Toll Road. That's because, like when I go to Boston, i'm not gonna download them. So you they still have to download or not take any real estate on your phone. I like that about it. The inside app as a tech company, too many apps and adopt a recommendation as long as it is mostly revenue neutral. I think that we should be able to turn something from that. I I think we might prefer to like. See how those numbers work out. But I don't feel that's necessary.

[103:06] Well, so we can move ahead. Does. Can we both, and do we need. Can we check and see if there's any double check and make sure there's no public here, because there is a public hearing component to this. There are no members of the public. No? Okay. I know Chip as a question. He's been dying to ask. So do you want to ask about the the cost if we're looking at a performance pricing model. And we go with this scenario, too. And then we find that garages are, you know, a 100%. I can see if they're a cumbersome process to raise the fees, or, conversely, if they're in it like a is there an adjustment? I find that you're seeing it in real time time, but it's but I think i'll be locking in there some flexibility no further, we doing this again if we have to, because my sense is, I don't get anybody complaining about the cost of parking. So the more quietly we can do that if we based on

[104:08] performance. So if we do determine that these prices are too high to low based on performance, we just this group comes back and makes recommendations. And we have this: yeah, my feedback is Yes, except I don't like showing the transaction fee. I think people are going to get annoyed about that. I really think they know it. They're going to be like what I pay more parking. I didn't realize it until you told me you know, so that that's something I would say. I would not. I would find a way to hide that. So the only challenge with that it's not the only challenge, but things like the $3 product. So central at Zoom are $3 from 3 Pm. To 3, 8 on it's now 3, 99, but in the way that this is been structured.

[105:11] So we either say we either keep the $3 product and see if there's now a 99% transaction the or we change that product to it's 3, 99, 3 Pm. To 30 as an example. Yeah, we put the cost somewhere else. Can we do that? No, i'm. I'm. I feel like you're trying to. Why can't we distribute the cost to other people that might not notice we can I? I just think there's so much value out of the $3 like people go, they say, like I go downtown to park. It's $3 to Park, but, like I, I feel like if we raise the price. People will notice a lot, and if we have a transaction feed and they'll be enjoyed that we pretended we kept the price, and then out of the transaction thing like I I don't think it's it's distributed. It will be as notice, I guess.

[106:03] Is there any way to protect it? I mean, we so the Commission did motion to subsidize the transaction fee by lowering the cost of the product essentially the 3 for 3 product by 99 cents. So it would basically mean that we would be getting $2 and one cents for those people who are paying $3, because by subsidize it's not really a true subsidation, right? We're not paying. We're just taking money out of our revenue by lowering the cost of of the pricing of our team. Right? I know it's it's kind of a backwards way to think about it. But but that's certainly something that we could entertain, and I I don't think that one what you're saying. Did that look like? Is the city absorbing the cost? Because that's not what i'm recommend. We're making less revenue from our parking garages. So that's because for all all of the people paper parking right, and that's revenue.

[107:08] Oh, I I guess I I I want it to be redistributed so at different times of the day. Well, so, if they want to advertise that 3 Pm. To 3 am. Is still $3, then that means that that we are reducing the our revenue cities revenue on that product by 99 cents that we are currently receiving. So it's not a revenue neutral post. So that's the challenge in this dynamic is there we go. Users are paying for this convenience of having a gateway system. We are reducing our cost to a certain extent, because we no longer have to. and the on call contract. We don't have to be the statute and set up there on a regular basis, but for time. That's like Stephanie. You're like saying maybe it for for scenario, 2, 4 h instead of 5, 50 to make that 6, 5 h make that.

[108:06] Yeah. But I I yes, and I I think it's not a one to one ratio, because how many people are using the 3 to 3 versus 4 h partners. Probably not that many. So to reduce it's read at $3. You might not need to raise the yeah more than 25 cents to match that. But I think that would require a lot of analysis. I would argue that keeping that 3 to 3 is important because we get so much feedback about employ parking, and that was a really effective solution, especially when we said, here's the skip to out there night, time and place, and it was a very creative and effective solution in city, and I would hate to lose that. So there is a way to absorb that somewhere else I would I would be. I think i'll I'll I'll like you. I would like you to at least strike. I guess we appreciate your input but I also want to make sure that we are hearing from our city council.

[109:05] So the path that we're going down requires a lot more analysis. Understand the cost. Implications of of these proposed. Hey, this! This is where our recommendation is to only change the price of the first hour. acknowledging that that all the the prices of all of our other products now come with a 99% transaction. They even the first hour. If we can't come into the decision today we are still moving forward. We have a capital improvement program that says implement gave us last year. So we are still moving forward with that. If we can't come to a decision on pricing, then that means they don't change. The action of the that we need in the Commission is whether or not to adjust prices.

[110:07] we have not taken the time to analyze and right every every single possible scenario, and that's only based on current usage. So there, there's a lot that we there are a lot of variables, and how people are going to be using the garage is that we remove the gates. Our recommendation is, we communicate, dates are gone. There's no one in some transaction fee in that. In the event that that there's a mass mute name that that folks are really upset, that we can take a look at that. We either need to keep prices the same, and we're looking at that top row. There, there's no change to the outward. Later, I really rate the flat rates. Just everything comes with the 9 and 9 subtraction transaction case scenario 2. We, in order to to meet some of our marketing goals around the garage still being the best deal in town.

[111:06] Just in that first hour the to soften the short term stay impact of the 9 min and transactions the other thing. Or that's another scenario where we're looking at. Yeah. having to do a ton of analysis to understand. How do we keep some prices the same. and I, if you have it, it's not a it's not a path that we've gone down. I'm not sure that we would be able to get to the desired results other than being able to say that 6 h or sorry 7 h, plus $15, and the $3 product is $3, no matter what, no matter what the transaction is. and that's that's determined. That's

[112:00] what this body wants us to do. We can do that. But I can't say that it's going to be done by the time that we implement. When are the gates going in so question for the commissioners? Are we all in agreement that scenario 2 is for well, I think a motion to I I think maybe the only thing we're about is the great great. Well, I don't just because people will notice it, and i'm not. I don't know there's no judgment on why. But is it? Is that the only thing I think I I agree. I think, scenario 2. It's the 3 to 3. Can we change the motion to we Just there's a an element of not knowing what that means, for you know, revenue right? But we can. I mean.

[113:08] I'm. Okay. With that I know, acknowledging that there is a there is going to be a you know revenue in that, because with inflation and everything else that's going on 3, 49 could be the number 2 or something. I'm saying that, like maybe people feel like it's a dollar better experience with the but maybe they won't, and so it's just public perception is something that just a little more. Maybe just that scenario plus thinking about how we maintain that, or do something else to help Don't make a decision like we'll work with it. Apologies for not being able to. So, as I say, the new scenario to

[114:00] as it is with examination by their team or 3 to 3. The second I was a secondary recommendation based on Oh. we also add in there some investigation into it. and any of the garages at the same time that I know it has nothing to do with it. But we're going to spend all this money. and then people are going to say it's. Still, it sounds like you're in into what? To clean these Rogers, because we're we're planning to do a clean up as part of this that would be great. I feel like you launched this new thing and like it could be a totally different amazing experience in a garage to really change People's birth of garage. No, that's that's a real. We're gonna do a clean up. We're going to restripe so, and we actually have some changes to flow in a couple of places as well as I didn't want to overload the presentation everything. But I can. No, I i'm. I'm saying that because people tell me how hard it is for those reason. And so they're working on that. So to keep on this so we can, because we are going to be dramatic, and I have to be to to get my

[115:10] it's in the Bible concert. So are we going to? Alright. I might you to This would be the one that we could say additionally. it possible, and not what Chip was bringing up, that it doesn't seem like it'd be hard to change that if we'd be able to it. There's an agreement. But there's any changes that we've got to change signs and stuff, which is the

[116:02] is that the the signage would be important, and the consideration that I think, for it to to change the 3. Sorry, I mean, Everything's going to be dynamic signage. So to you signage rates. Well, we have some of those signs outside the garage. So that's still. I have rates on the They're static sites. We're also in the process of updating our. But and so those where the language go, that we take this one with comma, with additional examination of the 3 to 3 B. And how a change to that?

[117:05] 2 Pm. Sorry I'm going. I would like to know that, too. Yeah. yeah. You want to change 3 of them at 3 Pm: and flip those 2. You want to do. Flip your Ams and Ps. I capture that. and you know our commission would be happy to have a quick zoom call meeting. If you guys get something at some point just with the limit area. I I I think it needs to be in the public hearing format. If it involves a schedule fee change, so we might need to, you know, do another hosting and the daily camera, and then come back. And what would be July

[118:04] in our regular agenda for July. Yes, so if that if it was deemed that there was construction change, that is, from what's been. Notice that as a website to say special for you, and it's like you have a public hearing, so like. Have special Wednesdays group dollars. If it's going to affect the actual pricing that goes into code. That's where the conditions that already comes in, and that's why these people sorry. This is kind of a paint for you guys. But is this workable, I mean. I think it's way better than the than like. Do a whole. Yes, no, it's just totally workable, and we're happy to do it. In that case I I move this second call a.

[119:02] hey? Got it? Okay, the second one, which is the citation P. I'm: so sorry, and then we'll be there any holidays. and it is Oh. thank you. I think it's 3, just 2, 3 questions because of the feedback. So we are. I my best. But one of these items on here wasn't even scheduled with time. Whoa per side management update this head preliminary Budget review annual budget, Review commissioner, recruitment priorities. Discussions. This is so easy topic. you know one that I would like to make on the budget, and maybe this will allow you to table it a little easier. So right now we're in the middle of

[120:08] developing budget. So we did have a presentation that we could share. You know what that schedule looks like. The intent is actually to bring forward the budget in a joint commission meeting in June. That's ahead of what we have to submit it to formally. That gives us a little bit more time to flush things out than we would have available currently. And so that's something that we're in the process of putting together. So I don't know if that's helpful. The the of the stressed out looking into the budget, which isn't the the hope is to be able to be that more generally in June. Well, I' to table that you haven't told you. You have a couple of questions about it or later. That's you've been waiting so patiently.

[121:01] Yes, and you know we were planning on roughly around 20 min for this, so i'm not sure if we can go through it fairly quickly. It's not the first time the Commission has seen our work on curbside management, but I just wanted to make sure that you know we can probably Chop it down to What do you think, Carly? 10 min we we can try. Yeah, cause I just presented in March at the in-person retreat. So a lot of this is we can freeze there. It should be fresh. Okay. So if that's okay, then we'll go ahead. Is it just an update on the content. Or is it repeat, content? No, it it's a it's an update, and we will be taking our curbside management implementation guidebook to our transportation advisory board in June. At that meeting they will be voting on a motion to direct the city manager to use the curbside management implementation guidebook to guide city practices in our public right of way. So this is really.

[122:16] you know, your opportunity to hear how we're going to be managing the curb in the future prior to tab, directing the city manager to to to to use the guidebook. Can we skip to the parts that are new from? You know what I can just say as kind of a preamble is, you know you know this will be an iterative iterative process, you know. We will be looking at a faced approach to making changes to the curb. You know we piloted some flexible loading zones, which seemed very effective in in meeting the various demands of different types of loading and unloading over different

[123:09] periods of time. And so we'll be looking at that. You know. We'll be looking at dedicated places for Uber and Ly to pick up and drop off people to create more safe environments for that and reduce people, you know, stopping on Pearl Street, you know, or canyon, and dropping people off. but I can assure you that you know any changes that the city is going to make to curbside uses. You know this this commission will have an opportunity to provide input on those changes. And so I guess you know, to truncate this. Carly, do you want to just take it away with with the newer newer items. Yeah, so we in March did not present on Ally. So this is just preliminary, acknowledging that in the the short term future. There should be an alley access plan to go in greater detail, but we identified some candidate locations for future activated alleys, and also discuss allies in the context of curbside management of where it's appropriate to take loading from on street, and relocate it to the alleys to allow streets to be places for for people, whether it be passenger, pickup, drop off, or or parklets

[124:22] on street parking as well, so that one's new and then manage parking in 2 respects. One is kind of where there are blocks that are unpaid or not. Time restricted within the managed districts, and just making sure that we're being consistent. So we've identified some parameters and criteria to make sure that we're we're appropriately managing parking, and then locations that Don't have managed parking today that aren't and managed to strike, how to determine when those should go from free to paid or not. Time restricted to time, restricted some ordinance language that's new, that this will be going through the the full process as well. So you most certainly see this again. But just the the different topics where we're making just small changes to reference the guidebook and the content in the guidebook.

[125:10] And then we were gonna just run through an example of how the the guide is a could be applied per request. We recently got for a a curbside pickup drop off. But you've already seen all of the different tools, so we'll breeze through that. Otherwise. I I think the new content was primarily alleys and managed parking, and then we have some preliminary findings from the pilot project. But I talked about that at a high level in March. Yeah. and you'd be my one question around. All this is like 5 Year Vision plan. They were going to activate the alleys, and do having the ability for people to sit in them and use them for public access. To which and the pictures look great. Meanwhile. how he's always kind of dirty and rode and stuff like that. I'm sorry. So just trying to like how to balance like what the plan is to like. Make all these be inviting, but also keeping them off. The the delivery interrupts. The street. Sounds like

[126:08] that sounds like a more important part. But what can we do to make it so that all these are inviting still there, but sometimes full block, sometimes fraction of blocks, acknowledging that there still needs to be a place for trash pickup. You don't want to parklet right next to the dumpsters. So looking into factors like that where they're large commercial vehicles that make for an unpleasant alley environment. So you know, being strategic, and where those activated allies are acknowledging that not every alley is is opportune, for you know, eating your dinner outside or having cup of coffee. Yeah. I I don't know if you've ever visited Fort Collins recently, but they've done a number of different alley activations, and it's really just a handful of them, and, you know, created new little, you know, environments, and also created kind of some new pedestrian ways

[127:06] to go through their downtown like our. We have a nice one, that one from near Saint Julian garage. Oh, that's an that's an alley right that goes to Pasta. J: So I guess i'm looking for, you know, as we're activating all these for actual work. I can. We also make them inviting too. Oh, great! Thank you for your time, and I apologize, having to cut you short after you had to wait so long. Oh, no, no, worries we we totally understand, you know. And and you know that's why we're gonna we're gonna go to tab. We're going to all the other commissions we are. And then. you know, once. Tab advises the city manager to adopt these guidelines, then we'll be using these to look at any, you know, proactive or reactive changes to the current. So.

[128:04] for example, we hopa is moving off the Mall. They're moving where I guess it was Eureka, you know, they said. Hey, you know we'd like one of those flexible loading zones near us. And so this is a perfect opportunity for us to use the tools that we've created to say, All right, you know. Is it warranted how many other business could take advantage of it? Are there any other loading zones nearby? That this would be, you know, duplicative of? So you know that's just an example of some of the ways in which we'll move forward with this once. It's adopted. and thinking about, how how do we best respond to business requests. How do we respond to data if it's data driven, you know, like the pricing and stuff like that for related to some of Sam's work. So. But thank you for your time. Great. Well, thanks for processing that that is great Bye, bye.

[129:06] So the 2, 9 B and c. Are part of the same aspect of the June finance, the Finance Meeting, Primary budget, Review and Joint CD. Annual Budget Approval meeting. We can combine those together. Commissioner. I could speak on that. Just the highlights I didn't include the timeline in your packet and important dates to know May 29 Commissioner applications for open online through the website as of right now. Not nothing showing it's just saying, there's gonna be a mid year recruitment so that we'll start on the 29. It'll go through June into July second, and then we'll know kind of mid July How many have the kids? How many applicants passed the review in order to qualify for.

[130:07] So we're really not going to know anything until July. But we'll be actively accepting the applications all through June, July second, and Dmc. Has one vacancy operator or slash representative. So hope we hope. And are you doing any marketing campaign to the business owners, or I mean, how do they know about it. Yeah, that's you guys. I asked my business owner. That's not not our business. I'm trying. I'm trying. But it's like we need some. That would be great if you could. Yeah. yes, thank you. Great. That is for you, Commissioners. Now I I I can't do this right now. I have to go I. It's so important to me. But my thoughts around this is this: David. Update our we're down here, the back, and I just want to make this, the yeah, that

[131:15] and what 80. This is something we do through the Lisa. But i'd love for you all to provide me some feedback as to these points. and I offline kind of the notes that we took through the the minutes. I think what they have is close just to start the conversation, but I think we had a visionary for next phase of downtown, especially with working from home, and that impacts of that safety. Now, that's not included in those full of points that are there collaboration with other groups that's highly important to me, because we can only be so effective we can really just provide. Input. So how can we bring others together?

[132:04] And they did address that there city review speed? Not a lot we can actually do for that through a board, but that is a an outcome. Business reviews and like when people are renovating their spaces. And I do you want to spin out the in the packet. There is some some additional. It's already that put together around those. I don't know if that helps provide any additional or to okay. So the bullet points. So I think, necessarily reflect that so I think what he was doing is trying to take the notes that came out of the retreat and trying to put it into a format that could be approved. That's priority. So if there are things here that we're still listening to that, that's where we can. Yeah. So maybe just let us know back and forth. Maybe this is what needs to go back and forth. At least, so we can all comment on.

[133:04] Yeah, because they have all this, there's this. But then they also did write it into like, I think that the priorities feels different than that it does it doesn't exude the same focus. They almost have us like right, our own version. and we kind of like coming to that to each other of the bullet points of like, how do we take this and put it in so for me? So if there's some sort of like action items, then you could follow up with us to drive us to do it, because right now and connecting to other areas was one of the things we talked about. One thing that I would ask Lisa. I don't know we oversee capital properties in downtown. I don't know if they are.

[134:00] because I keep hearing how we have like office spaces that we rent out and stuff, too. Could you give us a list of like what we're actually responsible for? Yeah, and I can just quickly high level, we have retail spaces that 1,500 or so, the primary, the base level, and then community vitality is tenant to paging in that space on the third floor, and then we also have tennis over both on the ground level and the second Level on 1,100 fruits so, and i'm happy to put together a list of who those tenants are, and I would look back. That's perfect. That's really what i'm looking for. Thank you. And then the last one was bringing students downtown, you know, is that a priority for us is that that's let me talk about justin Italy. Probably. Well, I mean, I I think that's kind of engaging with all the other districts, as it were, like. The University is part of that discussion, but it's also.

[135:00] you know those other quarters coming from like Junction and North Boulder and things like that. So I think that's kind of inclusive that's conduits. But then also making us a destination right now. One of the things I would ask you about is the Survey feedback. Should that to be read that and reconsider adding anything to that I mean that I thought that was it interesting, the comments, not actually the survey, the comments themselves, and it made me think we might maybe have another bullet under the first one, or possibly the affordability around getting people back to the downtown and during the office day. so maybe I felt that some of those things could be pulled out and connected to our work, I would be do. Yeah, there's a lot to us through, so I don't have the comments, for I recommend reading a comments. Actually, there's a lot of color that I think it's a great survey. Yeah.

[136:02] that's that. Did you do that? They weren't my comments, but we I you run in. I'm my apologies. I will be second. Thank you. Thank you. That's it.