April 12, 2023 — Design Advisory Board Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:03] Steven. Yeah, Steve and Hecker DAB: Okay. And we have a a new planning board. Liaison. Yes, good evening. It's email robust. I am actually mark out of town, and we haven't. We have not taken up the liaison roles for next year yet on the that is, to our next meeting. So i'm. Here is Mark and Staff members the definitely love to go. Okay. Hi, there you go, Devon Saunders Board, specialist and board secretary for all right. And Sarah. Hi, i'm, sir. Of course. Fiscal City plan and the comprehensive planning group.

[1:04] Okay, Well, thank you and welcome. I think that's everybody we've got everybody. Covered. So the second item on the agenda is the public participation about items, not on the agenda. It doesn't look like we have anybody. do we? That is correct. Yeah, we don't. We don't have anyone in the attendees. right? Okay. So we we can skip over that any discussion items before we get into board matters. Yes, Mr. Chair, I do have one being that this is the first meeting after the new appointments of the what Board members I do have 20 of office to read for both Steven and Rory before we can move forward with the rest of the items. Here, take a quick minute. Awesome. I'll go with Steven first. So, Steven, if I know this is going to be a little weird with the virtual format. But if you can raise your right hand, and just repeat after me.

[2:05] Do I raise my virtual right here, my actual and your your choice. At this point I, Steven Ecker, do you solemnly swear. Hi, Steven Ecker, do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States of America and the State of Colorado. that I will support the Constitution, the United States of America, and the State of Colorado. and the charter and ordinances of the city of Boulder, and the charter and ordinances of the city of Boulder. and faithfully perform the duties as a member of the designed Advisory Board, which i'm about to enter and faithfully perform the duties of the Design Advisory Board, of which I am about to become a member. Congratulations, Steven, and welcome to the app! Thanks And, Rory your turn.

[3:00] I swear. before I get into this for you. I do want to ask just exactly how to pronounce your last name there, because i'm sure i'm going to butcher it, but it's. I do want to check really fast. Here. It's Bill O Sir Covid. I don't expect you to be that. Yeah, we'll see how that goes in a lifetime alrighty, if you can. Now just raise your right hand really quick, and just repeat after me. I, Rory. how are your salaries? Where? So that's your coach. Do you saw him? I swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States of America and the state of Colorado that I will support the Constitution, the United States, America and State of Colorado. and the charter and ordinances of the city of Walter. and the charter and ordinances of the city of Boulder. and faithfully perform the duties as an as a member of the Design Advisory Board, which i'm. About to enter. and faithfully put on the duties of a number of

[4:04] congratulations and welcome back. Rory. who is okay. So we now have 5 DAB members. That's a that's an all time high is that our? Is that the the maximum number? Now this you this and 4 years since you've had a full board right? They're easy. Yeah. well welcome Steven, and welcome back Rory. So third item on their fourth item on the agenda is, there are 2 items here. One is electing a new chairperson for the board. And the second one is appointing someone a DAB member to the Boulder Junction multi-board working group which will get a description of

[5:00] before we do that right? So shall we? Just so we go ahead with the first item and the the election of a DAB board chair and a vice chair. We need a backup to. So let me just say that I that I would be happy to do it again. This is i'm entering my last year on the board, so i'm happy to do it again unless somebody else wants to do it wants to nominate some someone else, or wants to maybe do it themselves. I I I was just thinking I would offer you release if you know you've been shouldering I person for the last year, and if you wanted to enjoy your last year without all the duties I'd be more than happy to step in It's fair. Yes. that seemed like a good transition. Okay, i'm happy to do that, since i'm not an architect. I have found a somewhat of a niche

[6:09] that i'm happy to fill, and which gives all you all more opportunity to talk about the substance and and stuff like that. So I don't I don't mind doing it again. It's not a it's not a burden, and it does seem like a a role that i'm. That I can fill on, at least on some level. so we can. We can switch or we can. I don't know we've never had 2 people want to chair a board. usually the opposite right. I I like, I said I was just. I figured. You know it, it could come across as a burden. But if it thought if you're happy to do it, you know I don't want to eliminate what you feel like is the valuable contribution to this boards process.

[7:11] Are there any other thoughts from Mother Jab members? I mean, you guys could be chair and vice chair right that we're looking for our are other familiar on how to nominate, and second, a nomination to and to vote on it. Versus that. Would this be a new? It feels new doesn't it? It does feel a little new. So if you want to review on how to to do that, we can. And then you guys can. This is not many. Yeah. So if someone wants to. how do you want to nominate yourself? Someone wants a second it. Then you can

[8:02] vote on that if someone else wants to be the chair person with the nomination and the second, then you can vote on that 2. So that's typically but you have. You can talk about it before, if there's kind of questions on what the duties are, or you have questions for staff. On that I will say, as chair and vice chair. We do have an agenda meeting before the meetings where you meet with our staff Tuesdays before our meeting to do kind of the operations and kind of any questions that might come up. Hunter Board Review. So that's one of the duties that for the vice chair. Matthew or Brendan, do either of you have any thoughts about yourselves doing it, or any suggestions to I mean, I I'll be brief here if I go first, I I I enjoy being able to attend the meetings and kind of focus on the content

[9:06] just given some of my other commitments right now. It's actually nice for me to come in. Concentrate on that, and not have to handle some of the administrative kind of it's not really my strong suit. and I think i'm on this board till 2,026. So eventually someone's gonna not want to do it between now and 2026, since i'm on the board the longest. It's probably going to be me at some point. but I just wanted to bring up. and hey, Stephen, I haven't seen you in a long time. Welcome to the board. you know. This is you 2 also Brendan's second year. Right? So I was just. I was curious. If she had any interest in I'm taking on one of those roles. But for myself, Todd, Thank you for asking I. So I would support anyone else who's really interested in doing it?

[10:05] Yeah, I I feel the same. I I have a lot of gratitude to Utah for shouldering it. I mean, I I was, you know. briefly, my first year. Lauren was the chair. and it it seems like you've been doing a great job, and i'm and i'm grateful to not have to do this like you, said the administrative part of it. So I I would be happy to for either Todd, if you want to continue doing it. Or Rory. I think you guys both have great leadership skills and organization skills, and and I would put my support behind either one of you again. I was mostly just wanting to offer relief to, because I didn't know if you considered it a burden. So if it's, it sounds like it's quite the opposite. You look at it as

[11:07] a a wonderful way to contribute outside of not being, you know, architect. I don't want to take that away from me, and I guess I don't. I don't know what role or which seat I've filled on in. Do I have 4 more years now? You have 5 more years. They wanna they don't want. They want the boards to turn over, so I think they appointed me to a seat they gave Steven as the fresh face the 5 year seat, and they gave me the 4 year seat. I think i'll show you the the clerk's office and see if the appointment was on by different term than our standard. Okay, so I think there'll be plenty of opportunity, as Matthew, he suggested, where we can shake this up and it again. Todd. I just I didn't want you to feel

[12:03] so. If you don't feel that way, and it sounds like you feel contrary to that. Okay. i'm hoping to. I'm hoping to get it right at least once before the end of the year. What I would say, though, is, if somebody else wants to take the vice chair role. I You know I'm obviously not going to covet that. I do appreciate the pre agenda meetings because I I ask a lot of questions, and I actually that's pretty much the hour that i'm doing my homework instead of remembering to do it, you know, earlier in the week, and then i'm benefiting from the direct ear of Colony and the case manager, and making sure very specifically, I understand what Todd and I understand what they're driving towards with each of their staff comments which is super helpful. So if somebody else would want that position. you know, i'd be willing to give that up. I I guess I've wondered how long it can. I still join if I wasn't the like. This chair?

[13:07] We cannot have more than 2 people, or it's an official meeting so needs to be 2 or less at the agenda meeting. Got it? Well, then. I guess I will formally nominate myself as chair. Vote on that, and then see where we want to go with the vice chair. So where did you second that? Okay. So all in favor of be continuing on the chair for one more year. Bye bye. alright. So I found the vice chair role on those agenda meetings to be really helpful. And I think Rory's done a great job of that.

[14:05] asking great questions and trying to really tone in on what the staff is looking for, what the what the Counselor Planning Board is looking for in submitting a asking an applicant to come before Gab. So I think that's been really helpful. I think Roy's done a great job. So if I think tasks beyond Rory, I think Brendan's probably the next in line in terms just in terms of probably your tenure on the board. Technically, technically, Matt. But he has already indicated his schedule. Right? Yeah, Brennan, if that's something that you feel like you'd benefit from and enjoy participating in. You know, having that extra on a pre agenda meeting.

[15:03] I don't want to covet that. So I think you feel like that the way that you would contribute at a higher level. I'll just have to do my homework like the rest of you. I didn't realize how beneficial these these agenda meetings were. Well, I think it's it's what you make it right. So I think we had a couple where I was personally treating them like some box check exercise, like all right. Well, can we get office pretty quickly? But then, I think in particular, I don't know if you guys noticed, but probably the last 3 projects that we've had where we actually were doing full project reviews in particular, that massive millennium motel site. I don't know if you guys notice how prepared it felt like at least Todd and I were to drive through that discussion and speak intelligibly to cities, staff's, perspective. That was a direct result in the paradigm shift hearing those pre agenda meetings where we started to grill staff. Okay. on our own behalf of kind of what they're interested in, and what they really mean by some of these comments.

[16:14] and even kind of without having a design discussion that is reserved for the Board kind of having a predesigned discussion just to kind of see with their agenda. Maybe, even if we don't necessarily agree with it. So just so, we're clear that in the meeting is not for design discussion. It's for the like clarity, like Rory was talking about on any of the criteria that's coming through. There's questions on site, review, criteria process. If it's a council referral or a planning board referral, and there were very clear specifics on the board wanted that to look at X Y. And Z. We we make sure that the chair and the vice chair.

[17:00] our fully aware of that, and can tackle that at the meeting, since that's usually one of the high priority items. but definitely not part. The design discussion is always reserve for the full board, and then we also talk about operations that all the things that you guys have been doing on meeting management. How to move through the meeting is. you know, we may talk a little bit about time estimates that we think about for certain questions which ones are on the last one like Rory and Todd went through and said, okay, these are the priority ones. We want to apple first. And this other question is the one we'll tackle last because it seemed like it was not. It was connected to the other ones ancillary kind of connection. So we do some meeting management and organization at those meetings to help the meeting flow better to. So I I mean, I would say that that is probably a better use of those pre meetings is is to

[18:06] come up with with a format and and a schedule. It makes me nervous. You know. Part of the reason why I join the DAB is because I think it's important for a a board, and outside members members that are outside of the planning board and outside of the city staff to become to come in and look at these designs with some objectivity and fresh eye. and I think that that there's you know we run the risk of kind of of pushing an agenda one way or the other. I think if you really get into too much design, discussion, and design objectives, I think, in those pre-designed meetings. So it would. It makes me

[19:05] I mean it. It makes me partly want to be a part of those meetings, just so that we can keep it to sort of administrative agenda and time management rather than and priorities may. Perhaps. then, it is an opportunity, for I I just think that we need to come into some of these design reviews with. You know our own sort of professional experience and opinions, and I it's not painted quite as much. I I guess we're not trying to align ourselves with Staff's agenda. We're trying to understand. Staff's agenda is. There have been times where we've thought we were answering some of their outlined questions like, you know, this north corner or whatever, and there's a mural, and we're like no, that's not going to do.

[20:05] but that we weren't actually getting to the root of what generated their question for their comments. So we just I'm, just making sure we actually understand the intent behind their comment. What their agenda it was for making that comment, so that at least we can feel like we address it, even if we completely disagree with their which we've done on several pages where we said, we don't think that's an issue. but you can kind of use it for whatever you want. I mean, if it's, you know, depending on the nature of the project. If there's a ton, then you use it as a priority meeting. If it's kind of some basic stuff you can kind of dig into some deeper understanding of why they made comments that they did. But it's a good way to just more than anything. It gives you one crack at familiarizing yourself with the project the day before the review with Staff and Todd present, which is very helpful.

[21:00] Gotcha. Yeah, I mean, I think it's important to to to look at the the agenda and obviously prioritize it, addressing the issues that are brought forth coming from the Planning Board. I also think that that in most of the projects that we have designed that we've reviewed. We've come up with. you know. It's like well Planning Board had it issue with this or or staff had issue with this element of the project. But you know, as a group, sometimes we'll be like. But this is really the problem like this is really what we need to be talking about. So I think it's just. I think it's important to I I don't know exactly where i'm going with this. I think you guys have done a really good job of allowing space for like the agenda, and then also just for additional thoughts and comments and concerns. So

[22:01] I think that if you're if you find a lot of benefit from it. then I I think you guys have been a great team, and I would support Rory you as a the vice chair continuing. for i'd be happy to do it. Yeah. Brendan, do you want to nominate? I'll nominate Rory for for vice chair. Great Thank you. So all in favor of Roy being serving vice chair for one year and raise your hands. Great. Thank you. Okay. Gosh! What a crazy turn of events. I feel like, typically. we're all looking at each other like who wants to be chair. I think what I've gotten out of

[23:01] what's helped me the most, I think, in these agenda meetings is that is making sure that I understand what the questions that the staff is asking. so that I know that we're going to address those questions, because I know we're going to get into a lot of other stuff as well. But I just want to make sure that we that we answered this questions that the staff needs to have answered. So that's kind of been my focus on it. And we we talked about other stuff we don't. We don't really get into the design critique of it. But the questions around some of the things that are probably going to come up may may come up in that meeting. So okay, good. So So we move on to the election of the DAB member to serve on the Boulder Junction multi-board working group. I suppose it's more of a question first, right, Columbia. You know, if anybody is interested. That is a request that came out to all of us. So we figure we would put it on the agenda.

[24:11] Yeah, and we do have Sarah, of course, here. So she is the project manager. I'd like to introduce her for Boulder Junction, so she can come. Explain a little bit about the intent and the function of that. And then you guys can make some decisions on if you're anybody else is interested how it might work with your other commitments to so do you want to do you want. I I think it might be good to hear Sarah explain a little bit of it, and then you guys can get them all over as far as commitments goes. Yeah. I can give it a quick summary. I'm: Sorry. Okay. So i'm the project. I'm: Ser: Of course, Project manager of the Folder Junction phase 2 project. So this product just kicked off this past winter, January 2,023

[25:04] and it's one of city council's. Priority projects. It's anticipated to go all the way through to Q. 2 of 2,024. There are 2 main stages of this project, so council directed us to kind of add on or extend the schedule of the project to evaluate what's currently in the Transit village area plan. and to potentially go through a plan amendment. So that's the first stage of the project is potentially a plan amendment to T back. Then the second stage is implementing that plan. So, going through, looking at phasing and funding strategies, and also potential code or regulatory updates that will occur. So those are the 2 big components of the project. So given the expedited schedule of this project. It's at this point just over a year that we have to go through plan amendment implementation strategies. So given this schedule the project team, and, you know, worked with the city manager to identify how we can bring content updates and information to all the different boards and commissions.

[26:08] and it was proposed that maybe, instead of going to all the boards individually, is to pilot a multi board working group where a variety of different boards and commissions will select a liaison to attend this working group and this Boulder Junction phase. 2 project would be the main project that we would pilot for. So this project would utilize this multi board working group to bring content and to get feedback from the liaison, and then also for the lies on to bring that information back to the boards and commissions, and to communicate it that way. So we wanted to use this board again as a pilot, and looking at older Junction as an opportunity a project that's a little more complex with the expedite schedule, and we also just wanted to. You know, Pilot. how we can get early feedback from boards, and to coordinate that feedback

[27:05] potentially in a different way. Obviously, if there's some elements that need a formal vote, we will still need to go to that Border commission as as needed for that. So that is, I think, a quick summary. If you guys have any questions about that, please let me know. So this is basically east of phase, one correct? Yes, yeah, sorry. Pro: even more project backgrounds. So phase 2 sorry phase. One has reached substantial completion. So, as you may have seen, there's been a lot of development that's happened in Border Junction phase, one. And and now we're moving into phase 2. So it was the transit village area plan that guides all of older junction, and that plan identified the 2 different phases. So now that we're heading into Phase 2. It's 15 years after the plan has been adopted. So that's a little bit. Why, we're going to look at transportation connections and urban design. The character of the area to ensure that it still meets the community's current and future needs, so that will be part of the Plan amendment, and then it will be

[28:12] the implementation strategies for the phase 2 area with his of the tracks. So between the tracks, Belmont road, foothills, Parkway and yeah, I guess the tracks is what forms the southern portion of the boundary. So when you say I call it a multi board working group. Are you talking? Which which boards are. Are you specifically talking about? So we are currently looking at almost 11 different boards and commissions, so I can list them out. It's the Boulder Junction access, general improvement District parking that one and the Tvm. So those 2 would provide Liaison's Design Advisory Board.

[29:00] Environmental Advisory Board housing, Advisory Board Human Relations Committee. Open Space Board of Trustees, Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Planning Board would also be part of this transportation Advisory Board and the Water Resources Advisory Board. So we are looking at getting liaison from the boards that would be applicable, or that we, this project would cross over into in terms of needing feedback, and in in providing information to the boards as well. Mask got his hand up. You like that. I love that feature. It it means I don't have to talk for 30 s where I realize i'm still on mute. So I mean from the sounds of the way you're describing it. It seems like it's somewhat I could be stretching here, but it's kind of in line with what we've been saying for a few years on this board about looking for opportunities to expand our collaboration with other boards where it's

[30:04] fitting or appropriate. And so it's exciting to hear that there's an actual venue where something like that can happen, and I generally. you know, speaking for the Board in the sense that we've talked about this all before. It's great to see. You know, different parties, different interests. having something to talk about together. So that's cool. My question, for Sarah is like, what what is the format? And I guess the venue for these these meetings. or at least what's the plan for them as they began? Is it? Is it something where designers or stakeholders are coming in to talk to the board, or is it the board getting together to discuss priorities and objectives? Hopefully, that conveys what i'm trying to ask at this moment? So we're still in the process of identifying. You know exactly

[31:06] how the meetings would work agendas, things like that, but from initial discussions it will be coordinated by the project team. So I guess me and my project Team Boulder Junction phase 2. We would, I think, own the agendas and help coordinate that it would primarily be. I believe our project team, unless there would be requests from other external people to come in and talk as well. So it would be our project team coming in to this group and giving updates on the project and wanting feedback specifically on this project and the progress there, you have a sense of what the level of commitment is. I mean, we kind of on it correct me if i'm wrong. But I participated in the Boulder Community Health Project Review when the city was looking at. You know all the work they're doing. They're off of Broadway by ideal market, and they had, you know.

[32:04] folks from the Art Board historic reservation, I mean. It was a huge, but it was like a one night gala sort of where it was like a big workshop like 3 or 4 h. What do you see? The kind of level of commitment? I I guess that might be paramount there. Some folks determining how interested it or available, they would be to. Yeah, I think the it would not be a high level of commitment at this point. More than one meeting a few meetings. I I think it also. You know we're just. This is again a pilot. And so we're figuring out like the frequency of meetings. What would work? But I think at key milestones of the project where we need feedback from board members. and to iterate project progress and to move forward. I think that's what we would look at so for sure. At this point I think we're asking for liaison to the voted or selected by April 20 first. and then, I think, as soon as that happens, we would look to schedule a meeting soon up, potentially, even in May, May or June, to discuss where the projects at and potential alternatives and things like that. But I would say a a few meetings.

[33:13] I think it's that I feel like that would be the preference. And if that's the easiest for the Board members to come together, then we would do virtually. Oh, we're open to you guys. Do you know to I guess maybe one of the things when we've had working groups in the past and different projects. For example. how the information say, if Pods, a representative that goes to the work. This working group forward the he loops back to DAB with materials and explain summarizes some of what was presented. He gathers feedback to bring back to the working group at that point is that that's the format you're thinking for how you cycle through and grab

[34:04] instead of doing what we would call a multi board road show where you go to every board and gather feedback. Yes, I think that would be the the intention is that the information and feedback would be going both ways, and that would be the responsibility is. and it could even be, if depending on when agendas are put out, and maybe information is put out in advance in a way that maybe the Board would have an opportunity to discuss any feedback, and then delay on would know what they're bringing to that to that working group meeting. Okay. is there I? This may not be solved right now, too, is is the intention to not do recommendations or like. If that was gonna recommend that planning board, adopt this or how they typically have done that before. Would that happen at the working group.

[35:02] I think that's one of the other things that we're not the the this board is done before, but if it's changing, it's good for the board to know how they're how that works. I would say maybe that Hasn't quite been figured out in terms of that level detail. But again open to feedback on how? How the portion function. So that's something we can look forward to as far as like scheduling for some of the meetings the format of that, and then anticipation on feedback. How the Board will get that feedback and it back. I mean, it seems like somebody goes to these group meetings that happened, maybe, and frequently understands what the objective and agendas are. and then brings it back to that. We have a discussion about it on one of our agendas when we don't have a project. and then they kind of ferry that information back to the group. so that it's actually a representation of

[36:05] board, and not just any member of the Board, I think, is probably your ultimate goal set. Otherwise, you know again, like these events, that one night event it was just inviting Board members to participate that night with their own personal perspective. It did not involve, like a for discussion or or an opinion that was formulated and brought to the group. Yeah, I think the intent would be recurring meetings Where of them like what? Cloning you guys are pointing out that we'd have to coordinate. You know how feedback is going back and forth, but it would be more than a one evening thing. and again this would be a pilot with this project, partly because this project is a little bit unique. And so the scene is. This could be the opportunity where there could be a little bit more collaboration between board members and to get feedback in a slightly different way.

[37:01] Yes, it it hasn't, you know not. Everything's been solidified, and we're we're just in the process of identifying future board members. My understanding, too, that this may be something that if it works well for other projects like this, where there's a a lot of needed collaboration across multiple disciplines and multiple boards. But this this exercise will help them form that in the future, as far as that goes. Yeah, it could be used in the future for certain projects. Yeah. Brendan has her hand up. Yeah, so. But I just I guess maybe this is for a question for you, Klani, but curious on, you know, if I were to want to be part of this board, what if there was a conflict of interest. For example, our office did the Boulder Depot, and we have we right now we have a minor MoD in for a Ti project.

[38:06] as you know, in in phase one I just. I just wonder if I have would even be a candidate just of design, of projects within this in that area. You know what we. I just had a meeting with Hella when Steven was being on boarded. As far as conflicts of interest and other things. I think it's. Let me ask her and put you guys in contact. You can fix. Explain that. But I think since we won't meet before they need a board member elected, maybe the workaround, for that is, if you're interested, Brendan, we pick up first and second person. and tonight. and then. if you're as the first of the second person. Then we can get you in contact with Helen. Work out any possible conflicts on that.

[39:06] Okay, so, Mark. Yeah, that sounds good. I wanted to see if Ml. Had any input into this discussion before we move on. This is something that you guys have thought about and talked about, or actually it's on our agenda for next week. so we haven't. I'm getting a little sneak preview here. It's coming to planning board next week for us to select our liaison to the same. Okay. but thank you for asking. I I know. Sarah, I do. I have 1 one, Arthur question for you. I guess. Is there any? The boards are pretty diverse kind of citizens groups. DAB is not. DAB is pretty specialized. Is is there any kind of skill, set or

[40:06] expertise or knowledge base that you are hoping to get or looking for in terms of the membership of this of this group. It's a great question. I know that's maybe an issue between all the boards in terms of like, Who who goes? I thank you. In the end it would be up up to the Board in terms of who they feel comfortable with sending to provide feedback about this project, so I could provide more information about the project. And If you guys, you know, have a good understanding, then you might know who would be the best person to attend those meetings and to provide feedback for that type of content. We could also do more thinking on our part, and provide maybe a suggestion not necessarily. Who but to say, maybe someone with this type of knowledge or expertise would be well suited to come from this board. We could also look at it that way.

[41:06] Okay? Well, you need. You need to have a a list by that, you said the 20 first of April. You're happy to. Okay. So we we need to try to accommodate that. So Are there any other questions for Sarah before we see if any of you are interested? Okay. So I this is this is something that i'm probably not the the best person from DAB to be part of this. But I think you all the other 4 of you. our eminently qualified. It sounds like to do this? So does. Does anybody? Is there any interest on anyone's part to actually do it? Would you like to do it?

[42:00] I I mean, I would be interested if I I would not want to be number 2 to Brendan, just because my firm is wrapping up the project in phase one right now as well, so that the conflict of interest becomes an issue, and i'd be out. This is okay. I'd be interested if no one else has a strong desire to do it. Okay. And unfortunately, I don't have a conflict of interest because I don't have any projects. And, Stephen, you're the new guy. What we want to. I know we're not doing anything over there. I mean. I'm very interested in here. I well, i'm working on with Friends school right there across the other side. But that's not yeah. I mean, I guess you could put me in line for if it doesn't work out for everybody. you know. I'm

[43:03] i'm trying to tip to my way in right. I mean. Usually I get on the same. I do it, and then I get myself into trouble, so I'm: i'm found not to do that this time. But you know i'm very interested in general in that project for sure. So okay. Well, we have. We have 3 people, then who are potential members. and there's a question of a potential conflict of interest. But other than that colonial we if we could get, if we can get you to your in order like for second, third. and then second, and and just make the motion and and vote on that order because we don't have time to come back and call another meeting to have this settled before the

[44:01] they need to see that person, so that would be. My request is, if you have a order of who wants? Who's first in line, second, third, and then get the rest of the That's a tough question to to answer. So the the 3 of you do. You have a Do you have a preference for it sounded to me like Brendan had the most interest, Matt, Matthew was saying, If somebody didn't fill the role that he wouldn't want it to go unfill, so he would step up. And then Steven, I think is more interested in understanding how this board works before committing to being somebody else on outside of this board. Right? Throw me to the fire. Well, maybe that's good, you never know. And so it's Rory. It's a assessment fairly accurate, then, that we would go with Brendan, Matthew and Stephen

[45:00] in that order you guys are comfortable with that. Yeah, I mean where you said that you were also interested. But but yes, I I am. I am for sure, interested, if Okay. No, I think that'd be great. I was just saying that if you're if you're rolled out because the conflict interest i'm going to be ruled out too. So it doesn't make sense. But my second and third position behind you, anyways. and i'm checking for both of you with this city attorney's office to see. So if you're interested, or you should put yourself in line somewhere in that order. i'll go at the end, I mean I I i'm with Matthew, I don't want it to go on fulfill, because this is kind of. you know, an evolution that we've been for a long time. I think somebody from that needs to participate in this to honor kind of our letters to City Council for the last 5 years. But I don't need to be anywhere near the front of that line.

[46:00] The downside of joining is that we won't be able to use that line in our annual. We have to write a new. Yeah, we're gonna have to concede that it actually is happening. So yeah, I mean, I I I don't have any projects as of now, east of the train track. So phase 2. I'm: clear. I think. Okay. So it's based on that. We'll probably go with with Brendan, probably being okay on the conflict of interest issue. So she's likely the candidate, if that for some reason doesn't happen that Matthew would be the candidate. Is that fair enough that that'd be great. alright. Great. Well, thank you guys, for doing this. It sounds interesting to

[47:02] okay. It's a big it's a big chunk of boulder. That's every time I drive by there, there's another building, so it's, you know, great to be invited in some capacity to just. You know here how it's progressing in the next phase. Sure, there are a lot of lessons learned along the way that can be implemented in Phase 2. But I wonder how many? Okay? Well, I think we can close that discussion out then, and so we have. We've made those decisions about board matters. Is there moving on to a calendar check anything coming up for us. No, May, it's not looking like. There is a project review at this time. and that is. that deadline is swiftly approaching, so have not heard anything from case managers, so I wouldn't anticipate a main meeting unless

[48:06] you're going to the Boulder Junction meeting, and you will have a main meeting as that person. So, Brendan. you might be meeting in May but June, I've heard that there is a project that has been referred. but they have not yet submitted for site review. So they've got to get all that site. Review application, submitted. Get the first round of review with all the Geotech and engineering, and everything several, as far as that goes. All right. Great thanks. So before we adjourn, are there any other board matters that we need to talk about taking for you to dinner or anything like that. Yeah, yeah, what about the yeah. Yeah, we we have to have a going away. You have to have it going away, and I thought you were going to dig into the archives or somebody was going to help I. We are getting to that photograph. We are giving you a photograph.

[49:00] There is no on the dinners, though I've already checked, so that you actually have to be vacating the board for that to be happening. I know so. And then you guys had asked about a a meeting like that. We don't do that type of anytime. You're gonna have any kind of board business. If we were going to do a tour or something like that. We have to notice that meeting. So the you're working dinner meeting that you were talking about. That's not something that the city is going to be able to support in that kind of fashion. But you're always welcome to gather independently as friends. After you know, board meeting on your on it. I think we should at some point, guys. It's been a while like like we used to go out for a drink after our in-person. Maybe we have to do that in formally, though we can't really even communicate, can we? No, they would, you know last. It would just be folks would get together, you know.

[50:04] since we virtual now, for this is our third year. and so that's the other thing is, we're not doing a mixed meeting format, so it's virtual or in person, not hybrid. There's only 2 boards that are council and planning for that are hybrid because they are quasi judicial. and the resources to run a meeting like that are very extensive, so it's kind of you know. You pick the type of meat format that you're going to want. that the board is working through, and I I think we're waiting to hear from the Council to see if there querying boards on that yet. for right now we're on a a digital format until they are Okay. Okay? Oh. anything else before we adjourn. Yeah, I have a quick question. I and probably gonna be out for the June meeting. And I was curious how that works like If I gonna miss a meeting. Can I still like

[51:05] make comments on the the No, typically you you can log in digitally, if you like. We've had folks, you know. You don't have to be in town to log in. but we don't do the meeting comments. I mean you could submit. What you can do is so rules. You can submit your thoughts on an email to me, and I can submit them as part of the board record. Okay. that's one way to do it. And then, if the board it'll be put into the packet. And so if you get that together, you have the Board Members here may look at that. but we typically don't. I think that that's pretty common, you know, as far as

[52:03] because that June meetings like that second week is that usually happen this month. It's the second Wednesday of every month. So you were looking at June fourteenth. or the That's also just in case anybody asks you. We are reformatting our due date schedules for gab applications to just put a little bit more lead time. We were very tight on our application due date for our noticing. We almost miss it at every time, because the day that the applications were that so we have a little bit of time to get that legally noticed, you know properly. So the June meeting is also the meeting where our applications are going to be due to the week earlier than that that's going to be moving forward from June on

[53:00] cool. I I do have one question I just thought about. So. The last meeting we had was a not a very complicated project. But there were minutes from that which we will get before the next meeting. Is that is that the plan for that? Yeah, I can speak to that, Mr. Chair. So So yeah. So you'll have the march in April meeting minutes for the next meeting. Okay, Great. All right. And then just to throw it out there for not having a May meeting. Maybe that's the time we have an informal here or something. Just throw it out there. I think so. Yeah, that's a good. That would be a good time to have it, because presumably we all have that on a calendar. Yeah, all right, we'll we'll plan on that. Then

[54:06] good suggestion. Okay, everybody. Thank you. Meeting is adjourned. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome, thanks for joining us. Now take care of all. Oh, good day, you guys.