March 8, 2023 — Design Advisory Board Regular Meeting

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[0:00] So okay. good. So before I start. do we need to go over any ground rules or anything like that? I do have a list of rules of decorum for public participation. If you'd like to me, I can go over those pretty quickly. Yeah, go ahead, David. Awesome. Are you all seeing my screen. Yep. Awesome. Well, my name is Devin Saunders. Thank you all for being here. I'm the Board specialist for the Design Advisory Board, and today there's one item up for discussion. There is a public participation option for this item. So i'll be going over to a little bit of rules of deforms that the city has put on pretty cut and dry. But in general the the city has engaged with community members to co-create a vision for productive, meaningful, and inclusive civic conversation. This vision supports physical and emotional safety. First community members, Staff board, and commission members, as well as democracy. For people of all ages, identities, lived experiences and personal perspectives.

[1:10] There is a a quite a detailed description about this vision, and it engagement process, and you can click, and you can learn more by following the link at the bottom of that one if interested. That's it. Okay. Cup just took more slides here. Alright, No, no problem. There's a. The following are examples of rules of deform found in the Boulder, revised municipal code and other guidelines that support this vision. These will be upheld During this meeting all remarks and testimony shall be limited to matters related to the city business. No participant shall make you made threats, or use other forms of intimidation against any person. Obscenity, racial epithets, and other speech and behavior that disrupts or otherwise impedes the ability to conduct this meeting are prohibited. Participants are required to identify themselves using the name they are commonly known by, and individuals must display their whole name before being allowed to speak online.

[2:04] Currently, all the audio test, and money is permanent online there, like I had mentioned, there is the public participation option. And so when it comes to that time you will see a little. Raise hand, Icon, at the bottom of your screen. At that time you'll be able to raise your hand, and that will signify to me and to the rest of the board that you are interested in in talking. You can just click on that hand there. Otherwise, if you there are a few short options. There you can click. I'll alt. Why, if you're on a PC. Option, wife on a Mac or Star 9 on your phone, and all of those will go ahead and raise your hand and let me know that you're interested in public participation. And with that I will defer back to you, Mr. Chair. Okay, Thank you. At this point. It doesn't look like we have anybody signed up for public participation. So when we get to that point in the agenda we'll check in again. So I would like to call to order the march eighth. 23 meeting of the boulder design advisory board.

[3:03] and we'll just do a little roll call for us, and then Mark and the city. Other city people are here. So Todd, Brian, DAB, Matthew Shexner or Dad Rory Brendan, Ash, App Mark Mcintyre Planning Board. Okay, Staff and the staff leads on to death. I'm. Shannon Roller, I'm. A planner in Development Review, and the Case manager for the project. Devin Saunders board specialist for the Board. Okay. yeah. I'll jump into Christopher Johnson. Comprehensive planning manager. Okay, and we have 2 people from from so for us foreign architects. Can you guys

[4:04] identify your cells for us? I'm: Jacob Stack and I'm: Adriene. So from Okay, great. Thank you. Okay. So the next item on the agenda is the approval of the minutes for our December fourteenth meeting. Can I have a motion to approve those minutes motion to approve? Okay. any discussion about the content of the minutes. There was some edits that were made up until I believe yesterday, so hopefully those are sufficient for everybody. So you have a second for that. Then I think it was pretty much just grammar and spelling right? Devin. It was just a Okay.

[5:00] it's. Yeah, I okay. all in favor of proving the minutes. I alright. Okay. So third item on the agenda is the public participation for issues unrelated to the project. Review. It doesn't look like we have any any people who have checked in for public participation. Is that correct, Evan? Okay, that is correct. There are no further attendees in the meeting. so we'll see if anybody wants to talk about the particular project. But so now we we're ready to actually move into this project. So we have one project for up for review today. It is a 1230 Pine Street. It's a site review amendment for renovations to Hotel Bulgarado and X, one and 2, and I can say more specifically about what that is. But I think

[6:02] why don't we have Shannon, who, I believe, is prepared to give us kind of an introduction to go ahead with with that. Okay. great Good afternoon Board members. I'm. Shannon, all our case manager for this project and part of the Development Review, I mean staff as a city. so i'll just give a very brief intro to the project. It consists of renovations to the Bulgarado annexed property at 1230 time. These renovations are primarily interior work, with some site and exterior updates to the property. and these renovations are specific to the annexed buildings that are located long time. These buildings were constructed, following Ped approvals in the 1,900 eightys. So we wanted to note that it doesn't include any changes to the historic Bulgarado Hotel building located at Spruce and thirteenth the proposal is required to go to dev because it's located in the non-historic and interface area of the downtown design. Guidelines and staff had identified just one item in the memo which was to evaluate the changes to the entry feature on the north side of the building

[7:14] for way finding and design of the new entry. So that was the item Staff asked for some feedback on. So with that i'm happy to turn it over to the applicant team with so far, and to give you a little more detail on the project. Okay. So are we able to share our screen? Yes, Great. Thank you, Shannon. Can you guys all hear me? Okay. All right. Can you guys see our screen. Yup. Great: so yeah. So the project that we're looking at is the Hotel polar auto annex our renovations. As Shannon mentioned our primary like interior

[8:02] for anyone not familiar. We're we're basically at the southeast corner of Pine and Broadway. We're in that historic interface district downtown. some site context photos across the street. We have several churches. We've got Pine Street Church, North Project site, Pine Thirteenth. the trade Lutheran Church. You know it's the pressure as well. Pine and Broadway. and then to the west of Project, the First Congregational Church. and this is a view of the existing Annex building and entry a long time view along Broadway. and then further, a long time. And then we also have view of the alley. We're doing some minimal work along the alley. and then just currently. hey?

[9:03] For a long time You're you're just so, you know the presentation is not full screen, so it might get a little bit bigger and more legible if you can switch to a full screen mode. No, you can. Oh, so those windows on the right here. Okay. mostly. There you go. Okay, there you go great. So yeah, the work is primarily interior. We are taking the existing Conference center. Okay, first floor folder. I was found and feels that this is

[10:01] not providing the use that it once did for them, and we wish that they wish to convert this into hotel rooms. Specifically, we're looking to provide it. The accessible hotel rooms in this area that'll be directly accessible off of time to help serve that population. As you know, the existing rooms in the historic building, and even in this annex were built to different standards when they were built, so they'd like to be able to accommodate that that group of of patriot patrons better through this renovation. existing cycling. Here, currently, they are entries off of Broadway, and then entries off of this kind of elevated and then sunk it again. Courtyard. No entries directly of a fine at this time. No, no, I really Yes.

[11:02] can I? Can I stop, you guys for 1 s? There's a little bit of distortion in your in your microphone. Can you guys also here? That is it? Just me. I hear it. Hi, you're at, too. We have another microphone system. We can use maybe devices that we Hi PC: connected. No. it's it's the same. maybe worse. maybe worse. We have to change devices. Yes. because it's best speaker.

[12:09] I don't know. Is it? Is that any better? That's better? Okay. So then, our new proposal, looking at just the site plan we're proposing to eliminate the entry off of Broadway that serves as the Conference center. This will not be beyond that. and relocate a singular entry directly off of Pine Street that will provide, you know, a much quicker access than the current entry the north, and we're coming out of lower elevation to allow for less branding on the interior. To get to these these rooms. I will not. This is going to be a a secondary entry, as we'll still check in, and the Prime Minister will be in the Start building.

[13:04] This will be for guests to once they are checked in coming and going from there. Just the the solar announcement project, really not adding any additional height, or going under all the existing roofs we are posing to add A new entry can be a long time that would be lower than 25, with solar funds that exist in this area. We've got a lot of case to the garage. Just 3 strike in there here the first floor plan. I'm. Looking at the existing conference center existing entries. That will be definitely the interior. We'll be doing some minor general work on the exterior along on and along these terms as well.

[14:00] And then the the X-ray configuration that we're redoing we'll be creating a new entry. Can it be here, and you enter into a lobby that is, at 9 elevation 99. This will I need to ramp down to the rooms at 97, 9. This existing in X one is a 100, so it is up. So we have some. It gets to that up there. and we're really posing right now, this call here it serves as a overflow space for the Conference center. We really want to capture as much of this space for private guest. And then really just maintain the Ecrest from the existing. It's primarily our client like this to function more as kind of a visual yes area with planting and padding space, not only a space for gathering due to the nature and proximity to the hotel. Yes.

[15:08] so just briefly. The main purpose of this change is to create as close to an as an accessible entry off of Fine street as we can, it is accessible. We are making an accessible entry. We've lowered the the the entry point. Right now. We have to go upstairs to get up to the entry into the into the current lobby. We're rolling the new lobby, but we can't get it all the way down to the the the elevation of the room for getting as close as we can, so we still have an internal ramp inside the lobby space. The new lobby we're making, but it's much easier to get access to. There's a parking space right outside that is loading, so that provides accessible access to this entry. and and then the room side. Not all of them are accessible, but a fair number of them are.

[16:00] and then we still have to all fair amount change inside the building to get to the other portion of the existing structure. There's a lot of great change internally in this building. If you've ever been in the conference center, you know that. And so this is where the vast majority of work is happening. The focus of the the of the comment from staff that's in front of that is the entry canopy itself. The way it looks on the street. There's very little external change involved with this work. Jake. Why not just go through that the external So, looking at the elevations here, we've got the existing demo elevations below. We're proposing to demo the steps into the current courtyard is that will no longer be publicly accessible, then the fabric can be Oh, that. and then we'll be doing some demo new entry to create a recess entry there. We'll also be doing some on our Channel

[17:08] country to the east to create additional space under existing. So this is along Pine Street. along Broadway. We'll be taking away at large entry canopy that exists now. I'm moving entry doors there. and into an app with a room window. Also be making these ideas on the second level accessible now, which currently these are not accessible by those. and then along the alley will be downloading existing trash and closure. and some brick walls that enclosed there current at the past kitchen spaces. creating some enclosed paddy spaces that are really internally focused. They help us internalize.

[18:06] you know, kind of providing space to to be outside the light of the air or walking with you to that alley which I there it is our so the the the main focus that Dad wanted us a pardon me, that Staff wanted us to discuss with you is this entry and the configuration of the new entry, and the can be associated with it relative to the old entry to the patio, the patio still will exist. It's just not going to be a publicly accessible entry. We're going to improve it and create more of a garden zone that you can still see through to. but but will not be it. It's not associated with the conference center anymore, so it will not be an entrance into a common area any longer.

[19:00] This is the the elevation out there. So that was what was proposed in the packet and Staff's comment. You want to just read it. or do you have it handy? We can pull it out. If you don't. I can pull it up very quickly. Oh, we have it right here. Jake's got it. I've got the dad version of it as well. So we're we're. We're already reckoning with the traffic to tracks from Newer entry location staff recommends. Eliminate the the existing arts that are direct. and to avoid it. So I think that what what staff is referring to as the arch is the portico gable, the entry which we are taking out the steps. We are closing it down somewhat. but I believe Staff feels that it's detracting from the new entry, which we can now go back and share with you in our

[20:09] and our 3D view. You can see, you know we wanted to maintain this, we just open into that quarter to give a visual view into the courtyard. We feel. you know. by blocking, removing the steps, providing. fencing, and a little bit more of a brick wall in here. We will attract people from, you know, thinking that as the entry I know, i'm bringing people to the main entry into the Annex. So that's the topic of conversation. That's that staff. Ask that you address, and we're happy to answer any questions.

[21:06] We do have additional documentation. We've got the landscape plans. We have some circulation diagrams that we can it around. We can. I think we can get into that in the discussion. I'm sure those questions will come up. But I think this is a good start to kind of get us started on questions that we may have for you, and then and then more of a discussion among the DAB members before we do that, i'd like to see if if Devon, if we have any public participation requests. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. There are currently no other attendees. So that would be no other participation at this time. Okay, Well, let's so. To start this off.

[22:01] What i'd like to do is to see if, if DAB members have any, or Mark has any questions for the applicants about what we've looked at so far before we get into the discussion. Do you have any clarifying questions? I have one quick one. What is the use behind the windows just above the proposed canopy location. Is that a room? Yes, that's an existing hotel room. You're blocking it like it should be. No, yeah, we're not right. That's one of the one of the restrictions or constraints that we're working around, not interfering with that existing into. And my second quick question is, I I assume the face of the building where the portico is, and across is the maximum building to set back You're allowed there.

[23:04] Yes, the this is right along the existing property line. So we're maintaining It's basically a 0. Okay, thank you. Any other DAB questions for just for clarification. I have one I don't know. If If you can see my cursor on this, you probably can't. But let me just see if I can pose the question. So as so the for the new entrance. If you, if you walk in the new entrance where this woman is walking on this image when you get under that canopy and you turn left. Is there a stairway there? The patio?

[24:00] Yes, there is a scare there, and I can go to the I'm. Assuming that'll be key card access only. Yes, that the intent would be that that would be t card access only. So there are stairs here that you could come up to this state. If you have a key card which our key card, you could enter this area. Okay. the function will just be for egress from this there for license. Okay? So there's no ramp. It would be stairs Correct? Okay. Good. Thanks. Any other questions before we get into discussion. Yeah, I on on to add on to your question when you say that's gated, and a key card is that floor to ceiling? Height, fencing

[25:00] like metal fencing that you would access with the key card, or is it something someone could jump over? We've proposed it as about a 5 or 6 foot high fence, so some it would not be full honey. I think, to to be honest, we have to detail that fence the gate, etc., but I we aren't expecting it would be all the way up to the underside of masonry, but it would be more likely in the 7 foot range for the time we're done with. Be happy to submit a minor model. So we have details on all that. Alright, okay. and we're not trying to cut off the view. We are trying to keep it relatively protected. and and to be able to see through into whatever development of landscape that we can do pots we know we certainly be doing that we, the hotel, has it in their interest to make this visually attract

[26:05] no other questions. So let's I I I do have one question. I'm. I'm struggling to understand that the elevation of the courtyard versus the elevation of the new guest room patios i'm. Just the guest room patio 97, 9 right and the it's a little bit complicated. I think so. These guys from Patti are down at 97, 9, the core. Your elevation would be a 2 foot 3 above that at 100 and basically everything. this one is on the 100. So this is the and these are, you know, existing kind of a. Those are all existing approximate elevations today. If you go out there today.

[27:00] all of those elevations are the same. relatively right. Okay. So do you want to start with the that perspective that we just had of the front. That sort of shows the juxtaposition of those 2. I think the you guys had in the packet. Really, good diagram. Where are you showing existing? Demo proposed. Yeah, here you go. I think this is very useful to get a quick Snapchat doing here, guys? And I think if you zoom into the right image, you just don't the final product here in our agenda meeting, we kind of clarified some steps. Additional cost comment. Basically I think that there's kind of 3 roof forms now greeting

[28:07] pedestrian on the street right all the way off to the left. We have this hip roof that's existing that's not being in the room underneath it in the center we had what used to be the entry and kind of the temple front. This is a quarter code cable. and we now have this additional both stream. trust, shape with the fabric, awning, and kind of the call on it is the kind of signature entry feature around this building's entire parameter anywhere that you're accessing to Colorado. You're entering under the black both screen. No, no. So the question I guess that I have for our group to that group is. I i'm personally not concerned that somebody is going to mistake the Temple front as the entry, because there's a bike rack and a wall. So I think it's pretty clear that you're not

[29:01] answer there. I i'm more interested in hearing feedback in in my kind of preparation for this meeting. I was kind of like, okay. I see the point. It's starting to, you know you could argue it getting a little kind of Forgive me, strip Molly, with the sense of the different kind of roof forms meeting you very quickly. And is that composition. you know? Do is it necessary? And is this relic of the portico? I mean you could leave it as it is, I don't think it's a you could very easily remove it and peel back that entire roof. It's just covering outdoor space back to the the shed that is creating kind of the link to recess. or you could potentially hit over this port of go, so that it matches the left facade where that new bedroom is so that we're kind of eliminating the amount of chess pieces at the front line.

[30:03] That's kind of my understanding the issue, and I would love to hear. You know my fellow Board members opinions in the jump 8. I want to just jump in and say that we have this one that we haven't been studying. which brings it in the hip through language to that, can we get down to the street level because it actually shows better there. And one of the instant pieces that we've. and working with the hotel, and possibly they have the store for Temple. To I assign that currently sitting in the basement. The original sign from the main hotel. and they still have, and it's sandstone, and we could find a way to keep it, to to raise it up and put it over the so since you brought it up, Rory. that would show it to you.

[31:00] No, fair, not and I guess it's interesting. I was actually in my mind it was like, do you hit the port ago because it's kind of becoming one of the secondary forums like the it's proud. It's significantly proud though it is, it is aligned with the other. Yeah. So, Rory Rory, if if I can jump in here, it sounds like you're saying that You don't think that that existing portico is gonna confuse people about where the entry is, but it may be too much of a kind of shopping mall kind of structure that there that's not really needed, and could be either removed, or it could be scaled back so that it matches the roof line on the what the left. Those are just some seeds for conversation, I think. But you know that I don't think it's a refunding or circulation issue. It's really just

[32:03] a facade compensation issue. Okay. So if I could, if we could hear from Matthew and Brendan, maybe about the way finding issue of the if is that an an issue for you guys. i'll go. Yeah. So I I agree, I think. where I summed it up pretty well as to what the options are. I think, when you're walking down that sidewalk. Currently the the ramp and the stairs are more of a a detraction to me in terms of being a friendly entry, and I so I generally like I like this change. I think that this actually makes is an improvement on that current entry to the building, and I I don't mind the

[33:02] canopy. I think that the canopy is. It's more in keeping with what's around the rest of the block. and it is like like where I said it's more of a signature element. I think that this elevation I I really like the the keeping. The original signage, especially the hot. Just leave it hot, older auto. But I do. I I mean I like bringing in the history of it. But I don't necessarily think that I like the hip hop roof under the the guest room above, and I I think, having that canopy, while the arch, the arc of the canopy isn't huge. It's totally within keeping of what's existing. And I mean it looks like You've just kind of moved the existing canopy over. I like the having

[34:04] the What are we calling that the Triangle Temple from? I think that would, when you've taken out the stairs you've put bike parking changed at the landscaping. you know the wall and the low fence. I think there's not much confusion to me, and I think programmatically. When you're looking down that corridor it's very different, and it's, you know. Again, it's kind of calling out more of a public space within that mass of a building versus the other hipped roof to the East, which is, you know. private hotel space, so I think, calling it out as something different, I I actually think, is very appropriate. and and I generally like having that entry at grade, I think, was

[35:05] okay, huge improvement. So this canopy is the same canopy that's in that's actually in the main entrance to the old building Every entrance to this building has I mean, it's not necessarily the exact same sign. But yeah. but it's what you're you tacked on to the but tomorrow that Broadway entrance would be gone. This location, the other canopy is at the ground floor windows. Yeah, but the and the what is it? The east facade, like the historic entrance, has a massive version of that can be. And then the oh, what is it that self facade? Yes, you're right. That one. Yeah. So there's this kind of icon to entry that it matches, which is different. Now it's got the new branding.

[36:10] Now, if you go to Google or the Black. and then the entrance just west on the south facade of the corner bar. That kind of gives you that little sneak into the piano lounge. That also has the same candidates, I think. in a lot of ways it's very consistent what they're doing. Yeah, there you go. So there's that and if you cruise down. is that spruce? Yeah. So we get another one that reaches out and grabs you. and they're going as far as putting the stone filler or the the masonry pillars underneath it. versus this one just kind of has some chimney still pipe calling, so it feels very on brand to gives it a little hierarchy to the This is a primary entrance to the project that you know somebody's not going to be confused.

[37:03] Where's the lobby? Where do I check in? I think there is hierarchy, and it's as welcoming as I think it needs to be. Matthew, do you have any any input on the canopy. I mean, at the risk of not contributing enough. I i'm not offended by the proposal, I mean. I I think I think it would go too far to try to clean up the the proposal by taking away the portico that's there. I mean there's there's a lot happening with roofs and setbacks and layers here. I don't think this is the one feature that's left over that's taking away from the project. On the contrary, I think the fact that it's converted it. It's maintained that visual Corridor through the outdoor space. It's it's appropriate

[38:02] the way. Finding issue which I think was your original question todd I i'm not concerned about way finding it's more to me. Just a a composition. Question now of you know, is the is the canopy achieving its intent of marking the the main entrance. Yeah, I would say I wouldn't. I wouldn't go so far as to look at hip options, or you know, modifying that gable just to make it go away, you know. That feels a little too intense of an intervention just to you know. Make this primary entrance look like the only entrance off that street just to play. Oh, sorry time just to play Devil's advocacy. Because I tend to agree. I feel like this: one's pretty cut. but on the one hand, this additional layer of facade that reach out to the sidewalk is creating some privacy and kind of like you said, layering to the what are now private rooms in private. So we have street action and night.

[39:13] It's kind of just layering inherently creates privacy which I can see would be desirable. On the other hand, there is bedroom windows back there that would they benefit from better access to daylight, less doing like your rooms in a whole. If you tore this whole thing off and open in even so far as to remove that artificial roof connection between the 2 rooms. Yeah. remove all cover from the I that's just kind of the for sake of discussion. I'm assuming there's a budget associated with this budget, and the less kind of demo for the sake of demo and rebuild for the sake of rebuild doesn't benefit programs and for the client.

[40:01] So you're saying so, you're saying you're comfortable with keeping it. But there are some other things to think about. one being daylight, and that's also it's a north facing part of the building. So yeah, look at those rooms. They're buried One area that we're talking about. If we take off that canopy front. J. You want to put the cursor where that is. That's the only area that we're talking about removing. And there's still gonna be a room between those 2 projecting sitting areas that were that would actually link them right across. That's not it. So the amount of additional daylight you're gonna get You'll get some not huge quantities of improvement to those 2 rooms on the north side. Don't forget they're both north north facing already.

[41:01] I'm. Not necessarily advocating it. I was just the only other parameter I could as well and comparably the owner brought up. It also gives you some more protection from the street to I did that. Yeah. And you know there's night activity in this district that having that extra layer would feel good potentially. Okay. So. Brendan, do you Do you concur with kind of Matthew and Rory? Is it that the keeping it is you. Are you comfortable with that? Or do you have some other thoughts about that? Yeah, no, I I I like the I like the design as this design. I I think the only thing that I would suggest exploring would be

[42:01] the weight of the pilasters that are holding up that very thin canopy sitting in the front. Maybe that that is something that can be explored. I don't mind the width of the of the pilasters that are flanking the entry because it it feels right like they're literally holding up. Well, not. I mean what structurally I don't know what they're doing. But there they are, visually holding up the units above, and that tower of of guest rooms that are sitting above that the arch canopy. There's 2 layers there. The arch canopy is being held up by a huge by Lesters that are doing nothing. Well, that's what i'm saying. I like. I like the intern. I like the first layer closer to the building of pilesters. I think that works, and it's also ties in the handrail on the small amount of stairs. I just wonder if those. If the pilots are on the street on the sidewalk need to be.

[43:04] they just could be explored as being inner. actually in the packet you have. They are smaller. Yeah. So I I mean going back to that. And then, like we were pointing out on this Bruce Street that they're they're they're just metal posts. So maybe not quite that thin. But I they do feel little disproportionate to the weight that they're holding up this very small light canopy above. Yeah, I I think that that's a fair point. And in fact, this this is somewhat of a hold over from looking at. If we did do the roof. It would be fair to reassess, based on just doing a lighter weight element. Yeah. So I do I, My. Okay. Do you like the current design? I just would explore those coast on the sidewalk.

[44:05] I'm sorry I missed that last thing you said Brendan. You'd like to explore. I would like to explore the pilasters on the sidewalk. Any thoughts on that from where? Your Matthew? Not particularly. There. There is one minor observation, I mean, I think. part of what does it make? This makes us look less like a major entrance that we're used to is the scale of like the first floor retail height. And so this looks a bit squunched, you know, like you're going in. So I would just wonder if if to me it feels like if the storefront system with the front door was all glass there rather than the brick lower water table. It it might announce a little bit more that this really is an entrance.

[45:06] I know, because of the the figure is just kind of blocking the door the way it looks now. It kind of looks like hotel room windows because of the cell that's like at 2 feet. But that's a minor. I don't I don't think it it's really critical. That's just an observation, and for you have the visual kind of entry sequence here. I I want to look at how we furnish it. I'm not sure. I would like to create some form of small lobby seating area, but that doesn't mean to say we can't take the glazing system now and address the answer. Your question. I think. to Brendan's point that you know slender columns would be more brand consistent with entry canopy. But I think it's going to be quite challenging to terminate the

[46:00] brick wall adjacent into some standard column, and it's going to feel tacked on. And then I think it may actually exacerbate how different the template it works. and then just have the stimuli call. So that's a tricky one. I don't I don't disagree that you know this is the one unique location where heavy break high losses are supporting the light canopy. But as far as what you've had to do here to try to balance all of the mass in just our composition. It does seem like it' Reasonable solution. you know. One thing we could do, Rory, is we could keep the pedestal base up to a certain height and put steel posts, more than one. possibly an array of 3 that creates a support for a steel, a light gauge steel frame to support the canopy, thereby transitioning from the masonry base element to a lighter support and a canopy connection. Yeah, float the can be off of a kind of a Shorty by last year that I mean it's more keeping with the what was in the packet on that floor plan. It's still a base brick on the pilaster, and then

[47:17] maybe a transition at the rail height or something, but because back there's nothing like this on the other building, because the garage comes out to the face of that masonry wall. Yeah. And so keeping it as masonry. But maybe we lighten it up as it goes up. I like that conceptually. That sounds great. I think i'm looking. Can you go back to the axon with from your submit to the page? Above all, we the right. I just if you zoom in all the way on the right. The other thing to notice here, you guys, is that there's kind of the mass of the tower with the rooms above. This has been

[48:03] recessed intentionally to create. You know, you guys stories that can swing and make that entry procession a little deeper, which I think is quite nice. but on the side walls. which helps with daylight and very nice. We've kind of eroded that mass reaching the ground, and it's now sitting on piles. So I just want to point that out to dad and just see if that I don't know reaction. Okay. Yeah. So basically, in in its existing form that tower element comes all over the ground. It's a full exclusion. So now it's just done. These legs on the front wall. You can see what they're down right right there. Yeah, there you go. My concern with that is, if it stays solid. it creates a a dead alcove that just collects a lot of leaves and other transient type things that was to no great benefit to anyone

[49:09] understood. I was just pointing it out to any other feedback on. Well, that's why I was saying. I like I like the the width of the columns as they're drawn in plan, and I assume that they've matched in this 3D. They are supporting the tower. So in terms of visual structure. I I don't mind having those open on the side. I mean. Maybe there is a way to on the plan that I don't see the low wall that's drawn into this axon. Yeah. So maybe that that addition is is helpful. That was something that was added since the submission.

[50:06] And I think it works because you have to have that bump out on the east side of the entry. Yeah. So matching that on the West side, I think, is it is fine. cool. So you're not proposing any change. There. Mark's got his hand up. He's the only one that doesn't just start talking. Yeah, go ahead, Mark. Yeah, I I just one of the pipe in and say, I I, even though I right by this all the time I did a a quick little Google map tour, and I concur with Brendan and Rory that that the fabric arch does continue a theme that that currently surrounds the building.

[51:03] and I I do, I. I keep seeing some variation in the the one rendering that we've been looking at with the wider pilasters, and then in the packet on page 36, the upper left hand, the proposed new entry, the narrow pilasters, and then I I certainly like the idea of concept of of a little more decoration, or I mean decoration, but a different structural element supporting the awning. And then, actually, if you notice on on the image, this on the screen, it looks like There was some discussion of some sort of detailing on the on on both the front and rear. Am I reading that correctly? That you have some sort of detailing on that tolaster to take it away from? Just a a a plain brick column.

[52:06] I I'm: not sure. What. Yeah. Yeah, you're correct. We're kind of playing on the existing soldier Recess soldier course detailing that happens throughout there. Yeah. yeah. Well, I I would be in favor of narrower lighter. The the triple steel column sounds interesting. The only other thing I I wanted to mention in terms of daylighting or trying to get more light into the rooms. One of the things I've experienced traveling with other business people is many times Travelers are less concerned about light in their room. Not me. But they're concerned about perceived security. And, in fact, when you have

[53:03] really right access and a lot of visuals and proximity to the street that makes some people very nervous, and I think that that that extra layer of the of the brick wall and the the patios and stuff. I think, are are needed. and and probably more of a benefit to many hotel goers than additional light. I would be the other way around. But I traveling with people are like oh, I don't want to be on the ground floor. I I don't want to be on the street. They don't like that. So that's my that's my unprofessional input experiential knowledge. Yeah. that all i'm sketching. Okay, so let me let me see if I can kind of summarize where we are. So in terms of the structure

[54:03] that members are comfortable with the with the structure staying there and not read, not actually removing it. So it sounds like everybody sort of on board with, or at least okay, with that it doesn't confuse way, finding because of the the the closure and the bicycle elements and things like that. So that's one thing. And so so tell me if i'm getting this right. So number 2 is in terms of the canopy. People are comfortable with the with the canopy, as it's shown there. and the consistency with the canopies on the other other sides of the of the 2 buildings. So that's number 2. The number 3 is Let's see the the pilasters are initially, the discussion was, the plaster is maybe too heavy.

[55:03] and there needs to be some way to lighten them up, either keeping them as masonry, but lightning them as they go up. That was one option. I'm not sure if that's if the triple steel structure is significantly or substitutely, substantively different than that we may want to get some clarity on that. And then the 4, and then the fourth recommendation is that the door, the entrance needs to be needs to have more glass, so it looks more like an entrance rather than a window. Have I got that right, or is there? Am I missing anything? That sounds very good as a summary? Okay, is there is there a difference between keeping the plasters as masonry, but lightning them as as they go up versus

[56:06] no Josh. The triple steel structure is just Adrians suggestion of how to lighten it. Okay, so that's more in keeping with the other onings on the rest of the historic. Yeah. So we're so we're giving you sort of conceptual recommendations. and the conceptual one there is that that the pilasters may be too heavy, and there may be a way to sort of lightning up. Yes, I think you know, my just original suggestion was that they it needs to be explored. and through the detailing process, I think you know. I like some of that brick detailing it was on the others, and and I liked the integration of the lighting design. I think that there are a lot of solutions to this, and just

[57:01] the weight of the group system itself and the support underneath it just needs to be explored. Okay. can work with that i'm sure that you've given us enough leeway and direction that it's you can get something. and keeping with your your comments. I do have another question for you guys since I was. I went by there this afternoon and got out and walked around and looked at stuff, and I was kind of wondering about the the sidewalk that leads up to the the current entrance. because it looks like that side. The the layout of that sidewalk kind of leads you up to that point. and here here the sidewalk is pretty uniform. But do you? Is that you know what i'm talking about? Well, there's 2 things I'm looking at the we would have thought one and the stairs, so that, like literally led you up, which is not where the bike parking is.

[58:06] but to the projection of the curve. So where it creates the parking versus no parking. Yeah, is centered up on the portico. But i'm getting at in a lot of ways. That's a benefit. As Adrian was saying, that, like you can let somebody out of your car, and they got a straight shot to the front door. The landscaping looks way nicer in their proposal. Now, too, if you if you zoom in there you can see the white area is where the the loading zone is right there. That's where the loading zone is, and that'd be closer to the new entry, which is the the the big roof with the the pyramidal growth that's visible, not in shadow. That's the current that's that's where the new entry would be. I think that there is some work that we can do to work on the pattern of the of the the brick

[59:06] improvements on the right of way. Also, i'm a little bit concerned about this step being the same car. I think we want to look at how all of that works, so that we don't create any confusion about where a step is, and where it isn't like. I'm not so sure that we wanna make the the walkway up to that area the full with of the opening, or if there's something in between and get more landscaping as opposed to all the meeting up to one staff. So there's a level of detail in there that, I think is part of the natural development of the project as it goes forward. Right? Yeah. I mean, I think that there's always a level of detailing and sausage, making, as we say in this office that i'm. It'll sort of work itself out. But I think that solution is is pretty nice right now, and internalizing. That ramp

[60:05] is just gonna make huge difference, cause right now, all you're seeing is a lot of circulation. The stairs open stair, the ramp, the stairs into the courtyard. I just think it's it's gonna become a little more inviting and welcoming with. And it's actually worse than you're saying, because once you get up to the top. You've got all this additional circulation space to get into the into the the existing Conference area. It's. It's really a lot of circulation here that we're reduced. Yeah, I I think it's an improvement. Okay. Can they throw a copper standing same roof to place all that as well as I didn't the budget. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, we figured out that just very briefly, taking that

[61:00] that that temple front as you say, out is going to be somewhere between 50 and $75,000. I have don't fill the landfills. The action. Yeah. okay, Well, is. Is there anything else that we need to talk about regarding this mark you, at your hand up there. I do. I just wanted to ask. I was unable to tell from the drawings provided in the packet. Are you modifying the garage level in any way? Yeah, we're putting in a lot of bike parking. Mark you, somehow anticipate my question. I thought somewhere here we were going to be talking about bikes, I just was confident we would. This is not a planning board Meeting Park. We don't deal with the underground. I I know who we're talking to, but but it it it was. You know, that you did provide the the garage planned, deal, and I I was. I was unable to determine

[62:13] if you were modifying it much. I don't know if you heard me, but I said to Jake, don't don't don't spend time there. Well, it actually I I would. I would actually just appreciate a a a simple answer to that is how how much are you modifying the garage? Go ahead. Yeah, we're basically we're restricting almost all of parking to get the parking spaces into compliance with all these kind of standards. And then we will be adding point to the long term like parking storage to the Okay. That's great, that that that was all I needed you. But you've satisfied this, Bike nerd Thank you.

[63:03] And one of our staff members can tell us exactly how much. But I don't do memory anymore. That's okay. I I I I I knew I was stretching it based on the the subject matter, but I I couldn't control myself. I had to ask. and what's that for all the out of time guests that have. Well, I you Well, you we don't know the staff that makes the wage working at this hotel that lives in Boulder. Well, that that is also true. That's I'm just giving you a hard time. Is there anything on the west side of the building that we need to look at. I would say the answer is no to. I think I mean they're pulling off the canopy and replacing doors with residential windows, or you know, a hotel room window. and that facade maintains a lot of

[64:04] character just due to its mass and proportion. So I I don't think I think the only thing we talked about in the pre agenda meeting was. you now have a wonderful opportunity to landscape this because it's no longer this kind of outflow conference break patio. and I think we were just curious. If you know our street tree. It looked like it was all low plantings just graphically, and. you know, is there an opportunity for additional street trees or canopy driven plantings as an aside. It's a very awkward space right now the public side wall comes in board here in a matter that it doesn't do on the next across the alley. and at least we're able to improve the planting zone the walls we're not taking out, we feel like that would not necessarily be beneficial. does provide a certain amount of protection for the rooms adjacent to it.

[65:03] This is all public access segment inboard, our property line. So we we have limited authority to mess with this back, going back to city council. It's essentially we're just trying to improve the landscape area. What we can do in that Regard the planting bed that's right on Broadway, on the across the side, across the sidewalk, from your belt from the building. The is that is that city maintenance. I really doubt it. I i'm pretty sure it's maintained by the if it's like any other plant in the in the public right away. It's up to the property owner to make sure it stays alive. I mean that whole is currently filled with trees. I can't be true. Yeah, They they look like they're not in very good shape. But

[66:02] oh, the the the taller trees. Yeah. you know it's a lot of traffic in that area. And I'm: I'm: Sure. the environmental conditions are not the best. No? Okay? Well, I thought, I just see if any. The my fellow. you have members had any. I I also think I think, that this is a an improvement. I I really like taking off that canopy. It didn't make sense driving down Broadway 50 miles an hour. Well speed limit, of course. on your I like what I like that. Okay. good. Well, is that. Are we? Kind. Of

[67:00] Yeah, let's make this a record time here. I do. I? I don't want to blow your record time here. But can we just re-summerize. I know that there was Todd You did kind of a a transitional summary. but summarize for devin and the record, and for the applicant that will be part of the. That's the official recommendation here at the end, then we can be done. I will do that. Okay. So the original question was about the the structure, and whether we thought that that was going to confuse sort of the the way, finding a component of the project, and we decided that we didn't think it would. Yeah. And there was some question about there, maybe too many different roof forms, but but that wasn't a big concern, so the recommendation there is to just is to keep that structure in place.

[68:00] And then we kind of moved on to the talking about the canopy, and where that canopy look like it was appropriate, and we felt that it was. However, that it is. Then we talked about. The plaster is maybe too heavy and need to be. there needs to be some sort of transition. They can remain as masonry. but lighten them up as it goes up, or come up with some other a structural mechanism that kind of does the same thing. But the idea, the the masonry structures. are seem appropriate for that location. And then, finally, I think the last one was that there was that the the entry way needs to have more class. so that it looks more like an entry way that it did. It draws you into that space a little more directly.

[69:03] I think that's it. I don't think we. And then on the west side Everybody is comfortable with the with the the proposal over there. I think that's did. Did I miss anything? That sounds good? Thank you. Okay. So I think we are, as far as I can tell, we are done with, unless there are other questions or other comments. So we missed. I think we're done with applicant review. We don't don't have any public participation that's shown up while we're going through this. So I think we can close that out. And thank you guys for explaining all this to us, and we usually start off by telling you something that we think is wonderful about the project

[70:03] before we get into what we what we're gonna be more a little more critical about. But this seemed like a small enough question that I think we just sort of dove in there, but it looks like an interesting project. And we're we're sort of more focused on the outside. So I think all the stuff on the inside is gonna looks interesting as well, so we wish you luck with it. Thank you. It's only taken us here to get this far and that isn't even with staff for you. Well, then, we were easy. Yeah, yeah. Okay, Great? Well, thanks again. Thank you. Bye, bye. Hmm. Okay. Well, that ends the whole review of the discussion, the discussion items and review of the project.

[71:01] so we can move on to board matters. and I don't know if that requires everybody to stay, but certainly welcome. Thank you, Shannon. Thank you for so moving on to the next agenda. Item. Any board matters that we need to talk about. not from staff this evening. So do we have a April applicant right now. Maybe we have some projects that are in different phases, so there might be one that I improved. Really, don't know until we get closer to our to date on the application. Oh. the time i'll let you guys know. Have we? Do we have any new DAB members that have shown any interest besides Rory's

[72:02] coming back on board. So there were 5 applications submitted for interviews for the 2 DAB seats. The 2. The 2 seats that are open right now are design professional seats. The so that was part of the requirement. We do have a at large kind of community seat, but that's not what was being built. 3 of those applications were from people that were not within the city limit. So we do get a. I guess we've been getting several just outside of the city limits, but within Boulder County applicants or folks at work at a firm in town and want to apply, but they don't live within the city, so they don't qualify to be part of DAB right now. So we had Rory at the interview, and we had Steven from from Brian phones.

[73:03] I'm trying to think of this last name. I have the people working, I. So we had 2 applicants interview. and we have 2 seats open. And so if you guys want to watch city Council coming up on. is it tomorrow they're doing appointment the sixteenth. So they'll be doing that. Then, Rory, are you going to tune in to see if you're I'll watch the so we'll know next week, and it'll be Gosh! It'll be probably 2 years if we get 2 appointments that we've had a full board, or you know, right When Covid started we were at 3, and then, Brendan, you joined us, and we were then finally up for. and so it will be nice to have a full board. I I guess. Is there a risk that they would not appoint and leave it.

[74:00] With the result of vacancy. They removed the role that they had. Where it was. We we had an applicant last the last 2 times before Brendan, and but they had a role where you had to have 2 or more applications from different people, or they wouldn't see someone. So during those other years we only have one application, and they would they weren't. They couldn't even be interviewed, so they remove that so that helped. So now they're actually getting to see folks and do the interviews, too. I mean, I guess with there could be. There's always a chance right that someone may not be appointed. It is a voting type of process with city council. but we Haven't had a a member that's applied ever. He denied a seat on the board. So are we on a Are we on a calendar basis? Or

[75:00] yes, like I march, and each one of you has a different seat Date that as you roll off so kind of rolling clock of open seats on the board. Okay. it's a rolling clock based on the calendar and not the 5 year terms. Yeah, March. 5 year terms. So 5 years from when you take your your seeded in March. and if you're a I don't know an interim. See, we we haven't had that yet. But and then at some point we have to elected the chair. Yes, that should be typically done on a yearly basis. So in March we, you guys, will are when you have your new person in April. If we have a meeting, we can elect the chair. or we can wait. Sometimes. You know you don't have a project every month, but

[76:01] that's that's something. If you do want to meet to do board kind of operations, and and meet and elect a chair in in April, regardless of whether you have a project we can. We can hold the meeting, and you can do that if you'd like. I was thinking we should meet a restaurant to honor the transition of a 5 year term, as if I had left. And then. Yeah, there's that dinner I know I have to check with Amanda and see if we're doing that. Still, we i'm checking Ryan. Let me. I think that that was actually like you. That's a lottery. They just grab whatever like. If Cindy was kind of she would pick out, one for each member as well, and planning board to. and the application is now closed. So for for new Board members it's in February. Is that possible, though, that I was like my dream was to serve my 5 years and be rewarded with my diploma historic photo. You know what I mean.

[77:07] I know. So it sounds like you want to go away, party and a welcome party like this. Yes, exactly. And that could take the place of our meeting, and we could discuss what matters I think we should do that I'd certainly be up for that. You're muted. We have to have the meeting in this format as a notice online meeting. We can't have the meeting as a dinner party. So I like your idea. Okay, but we have to have the minutes. And this official meeting. I think it'd be fun, and and maybe, if if it makes sense, we could do it once the new members appointed just so that I mean. So many of us on this board have probably never interacted physically. So I think there's a sense of kind of coming out

[78:01] so in here. and we can have like a zoom. We could have a zoom camera at the restaurant. We could just bring a laptop and Rec. You know. when I when I came on the board and knows this. And, Matthew, I don't know. You may know this, too. After the board meetings we used to go out. Yeah. just before Covid, we we would go out. Yeah, it's fine. I think. Yeah. on all of this is that after being on yeah for 2 years, and never being able to meet, and then now a a year on planning board, and and never being able to meet in person. But I did do a a housing tour with several members of had and several planning board members that you have to be you. You cannot conduct business there. There's nothing that says

[79:03] that we can't get together, that we can't get together and conduct any business any. I mean, we can talk about kids and scheme whatever, but we cannot talk about that. Have planning board. We just. We just can't, can't do that, or we violate the Colorado Open meetings act so, anyway. All that stuff. All that stuff, all right. All the words that we can't use, because i'm like what that means. I'm not going to join unless I can use Pylaster Mark, said Pilaster, I'm like Mark, knows what pilaster is. Obviously not since I said, and everyone all the professionals are saying I last or so also. Not bye, Lester. Right? Okay. that's just dialect. I said it wrong, too. Then

[80:04] I feel like, maybe your new gifts. It's not a historic photo anymore, but like a arc a babel like T-shirt, or maybe that's the joke, if I can do that to the new guy but let's i'm i'm serious. I know i'm kind of joking, but not really. I would love one of those historic photos. Those are sweet. They are pretty. They're pretty so many different because they're from the library to. So the library has this huge collection of old photos. That's something that there's a reality of happening, or am I just up in there the reality of what

[81:02] you order them on my picture. Have you guys seen that before them sweet like they're framed, and it's like some cool shot from like like the one that they gave to. Who was the last one that's left. You got this like killer shot of Mapleton before there is any trees on it. Awesome. Wow! Hmm! Let's keep that. Let's keep that. I I think it's a good excuse to meet physically for team building exercise, and it would probably be best time if there was a new board member to join us, so that there's an opportunity to kind of socialize ahead of official business in a way that you know It's a little intimidating, I think, Brendan, probably your first meeting. You also are just sitting in the zoom with everybody expected to like participate. You don't know anybody's personality, you know.

[82:06] I think it might soften that entry. She's keeping quiet. I mean it was the project. It was another. And so for project it that was intimidating. Oh, that's right. That was the yeah. So this one was way easier. Yeah, and some of the stuff is even being built now or has been built. Yeah. that's cool. Well, I don't want to keep you guys any longer. Are there Calendar? Check any calendar check. We need to do. No, we we'll be in contact about April. But if anybody has any meeting or spring break conflict with that

[83:00] standard date, please just email us. let us know is the standard date the fifth it will be. Let me open up my calendar. So second, Tuesday, you know, or second Wednesday. The 12 so April twelfth will be. If there's a project review that day. It may be a good idea, since you have a new number to do. At least the we can do a zoom introductions, and you guys can elect or re-elect, or chair and vice chair 2 it could be a quick board matters meeting just at least for introductions. So we can. I can email you guys and see how that's going. And then you check your calendars as far as spring breaks your schedule and let us know if that's that's a good date to hold. Still. Okay, sounds good, and just one matter of though you can. Probably it. It seems like planning board members. We rotate through the various ex officio and other positions, and so

[84:12] that you you might have a new planning Board member as not not new to you guys. Not but okay. yes. you're done. You're done in April, unless I, you know, wage a serious campaign to retain my seat, as you know. Number To that it I I would. I'll probably go the ex officio to something else. Got it. We can request you can't we? We can petition. That might be unseemly. So i'm not gonna Well, it was great having you. If this ends up being she's kind of with us through a design review. So

[85:00] that is it? Okay? Well, thanks, everybody. I guess we're adjourning. We don't have to vote on that So meeting adjourned. Hey?