January 31, 2024 — Boulder Arts Commission Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] Maybe organics with the presentation. Oh, okay, we'll we'll see you in a moment. Great the city of Boulder acknowledges the city is on the ancestral homelands and unspeeded territory of indigenous peoples who have traversed lived in and stewarded lands in the Boulder Valley since time. Categorial these indigenous nations include the Apache, Arapahoe, Cheyenne. Comanche, Ani, Shoshoni, Sue and mute. The city of Boulder recognizes that those now living and working on these successful lands have a responsibility to acknowledge and address the past, and must work to build a more just future. So with that we will move on to the approval of the minutes for this meeting.

[1:02] somebody to make a motion, and a second, please. I move to approve the minutes. 1 s, all in favor. Great. Do we have anyone signed up for public participation we will move on to our matters for commissioners, and the first is Ladies on updates, which is just as a reminder is a new item that we're dressing on the agenda. It's just a 2 min slot 2 or 3 min for commissioners to quickly please let us know any updates from your liaison groups who received general operating support, or anything that you've enjoyed out in the the wild performances or things that you're hearing back from the community regarding issues that we should be focusing on.

[2:04] So anybody has an update I want to share. And we'll start with yeah. Hi, as may, some of you may have seen be Moka issued their Rf. Queue for the North Boulder creative Camp campus competition. So this is a request for qualification for design teams. I think that's a huge. a milestone for them and excited for them to keep that project moving forward. That's awesome. When is that close? The qualifications are due March fifteenth, 2024, and I assume, if you know folks that are interested, you could have them. I can send. The contact who people should reach out to. So if you want me to do that, I can send that contact on to all of you that'd be great. Maybe stack can send it to us so it doesn't trigger

[3:01] sure. Open sky, blue sky. social club. Just wanted to send these amazing stats of 206 free, venue hours given to bypass event producers. Almost a thousand kids participating in their educational programs and camps and 22,000 visitations throughout last year, which is amazing. And then also, spark has radium girls is about to open. So yeah, I don't know if you all read the book, but it's amazing and devastating. I'm really excited. So yeah. yeah. let's see. I have a meeting with Jesse from the jiveboard late in February. So I'll report back after that meeting the Boulder County Film Commission has an event on February eighth that you all are invited to.

[4:04] We have 247 Rsvps. So far, so it's almost full and the focus at this one is, gonna be on music. The last event we had was a few months ago. We had a hundred 85 people in the governor. So it's getting pretty exciting. Yeah, those are really great events highly recommended. Great. My big report back is that I spoke to Kg, and you, I think, in December and got to spend a lot of time seeing plans for their new building. It's so exciting, and they're built out. It's so cool. So they've got a new building on fourteenth behind be Moca. I think they're on track for 2025. But it's gonna have a community space and like coffee bar as well as performance space and a smaller venue size

[5:07] that that they are hoping to just keep affordable which is awesome. And they'll have an updoor, an outdoor balcony space that's gonna have beautiful views and like a barbecue pit, really kind of encouraging socializing and unlike just lots of opportunities for people to use their library and get into producing the like. So I invited them to come and and maybe sign up to take some time at a meeting, and hopefully they do that soon. So awesome, cool. alright. Any other topics from community that you want part. Think that we're hearing we should be addressing. Hmm! Whoops!

[6:00] Well, let's move on to commission business. That's commission. Recruitment. Id. Hi, everyone! It's nice to meet you all. My name's Emily Smith. I'm the communication program manager for community vitality. So now here's support the Office of Arts and Culture with all kinds of communication efforts so really excited to be here and get to know all of you. And I just wanted to provide a quick overview of what was done from a recruitment standpoint for commission. Specifically the Arts Commission. Hello, Maria! Invoice! But recruitment was kind of 2 fold. So there was a broader city effort to recruit people to all the open board submissions. And then, specifically, you did some things for arts and culture, and this Commission itself. And then Lisa can share a little bit about the results of commission recruitment that came in a couple of days ago. But just to provide some context on the city wide level, there was a press release that was sent out in the middle of December to start gaining applicants to all the different boards of commissions. It was shared throughout all the city social media channels on next door city Newsletter, the Volunteer Cooperative Newsletter.

[7:19] We had a Commissioner from the Downtown Management Commission. Do a segment on inside Boulder news to share a perspective of Cv, so it wasn't arts and culture specific, but it was vitality specific. And what it's like to serve on one of our commissions that was super awesome to have that highlight and then specifically for arts and culture. We shared it in 3 or 4 different newsletters on social media various times. I know Lauren shared it with her network multiple times, and so all of that effort got us, I think, 7 eligible applicants, which is very exciting. So what happens now? Right? So really, at this point will be the city first office will be reaching out to applicants to schedule the interviews for our department. The interviews will be on February thirteenth, and fifteenth, and then the new Commissioner will be appointed at the March Seventh City Council meeting.

[8:20] There's one slot only one. Okay. thank you. So I'm just curious. What's the last meeting I attend, just like in evidently scheduled. So I don't need to come to the April. Yeah. miss, you got it trying to do so.

[9:15] I kicked off my first grantee interview, and so we're trying to do some more storytelling about the people that are behind the grants that we give out. And so I'm going through. I have like 4 interviews set up this week alone. To start to compile some of the stories of the people behind the grants that we give out and their organizations, and how they're using the funds, and if they have advice for first time applicants. So it should be a really fun thing that we can put in the newsletter on social media on the website so very excited about diving into some more grant profiles, grantee profiles. And then we're also doing some public art highlighting which we haven't always done a great job of highlighting the collection that currently exists with the city, and so really excited to start highlighting that in these letters and social media and getting a more spotlight. And a lot of our, a lot of our networks. So exciting updates there to more to come. We're working on a lot of other things behind the scenes.

[10:12] They'll be written, and then the images. So. But there is a potential to look at trying to do some more audio or visual dynamic things. So stay tuned for that. But for right now we're doing written profiles with some photos, and we'll be able to share that in a lot of different formats. Well, also, I'll just plant the seed. I also service the Boulder County Film Commissioner and I got tons of people approaching me that are looking for experience. So maybe I could in a in a like a mentor role, help them do video stuff for you.

[11:05] Okay, yeah. very exciting. Thank you. So much. Exciting stuff with us. We're in time for public France. Alright, everybody. Yep. thanks for being here today for public art action items. We have 2 items. One is to review and hopefully approve the 2,024 public art implementation plan, and then review and approve a new standing selection bell Member Howard Reuben. So we have a couple of copies of the plan here. Hopefully, you've already reviewed it, and we also have a couple copies of how Rubens resume.

[12:00] So the kick chain is off. The public art implementation plan. So hopefully, again, hopefully, you've all reviewed this already. But the mission is that the city of Boulder public art program and it's relating policy support the commissioning of a wide variety of artwork representing the most innovative approaches to contemporary practice in the arts, work them in during value and projects and cultivated diversity. Artists and arts, experiences within within the city of boulder, and the vision is that the city will require works of art that encourage creativity, contribute to a sense of place, spark, conversation, tell our shared stories and capture unloaded time, foster the enjoyment diverse works of art from our thoughtfully designed contributions to the urban environment, to our vibrant city. So I'm not gonna read every slide, this presentation, but few of these slides. So we can really review. So here's our acquisition criteria inherent artistic quality context, ability to install and maintain time horizon of the artwork, diversity, uniqueness and outfits into the collection

[13:05] question about that. Sorry. Yeah. And I don't know if this is within our purview. but I know that a lot of artwork comes from outside of Colorado, and I've noticed, even outside of the country, and I'm wondering if there is any portion of the criteria that gives extra weight to local artists. There's not an overall weight to local artists, but I think for each individual project, whether it's a primary public art project or a temporary project. It's kind of. It's kind of the purview of the art selection panel to discuss that. Sometimes they'll decide to make a call Colorado artists only sometimes they'll decide. Hey, this needs to be a national international call. Usually it depends on the the budget amount and other factors like the site for the artwork, the project, the bigger project. But it's really kind of art selection panel, and there, you know, there are reasons for

[14:02] having it be local. There's reasons for having it be national or even international. So, but in terms of the overall public our policy. It's not. But it is a point of decision making. Thank you. So you're the Arts Commission. So your role here. You play an active role. You will initially review and recommend this plan to the city manager. Obviously, you will review all permanent public art projects which are city initiated. Also donations, non temporary community initiated projects. and the and make sure that the process is followed appropriately. Your commission. Also recommends reviews. Recommendations from the standing selection panel. Standing selection panel will kind of be the first line of kind of vetting for temporary art projects, donations and other unique opportunities.

[15:02] Alright. So pro program project types, we have percent for our commission. So these are the 1% for our projects that are usually funded through our cip program. Urban design commissions which are not part of the permanent selection, but help to beautify our urban environment. Experiments in public art are temporary conditions. That's our temporary art program. Murals obviously, are works. That are quick to deploy. These can be city initiate, or we sometimes help community members or other departments with projects that are murals. community initiated projects. So this an example is the temple of tranquility. Which are community driven projects that come to the city for help. Donations are existing works of art that go through a process to be donated to the city's permanent collection moving into program funding. So again, the percent for art, this is in our 2018 public art policy. So 1% of large cip construction budgets are allocated for permanent site specific public art

[16:05] general fund. We get general fund to help fund our temporary program. Our experiments in public art and our creative neighborhoods program and also maintenance the central access General Improvement district. So the Cajun funds. These are funds that we can ask for a request to be spent within the the district boundaries. We have some Arpa funds that help funds some of our temporary projects. These were related to Covid relief funds via grants, and also to help support artists through the covid pandemic. We have our community culture and safety tax. This is a citywide capital infrastructure investments. So we will get 1% of those funds that can be added to other for our projects. We're also looking at future funding opportunities. So obviously next year 2 a funding kicks in. So I think most of the general funds that we ever see will be diverted. We'll get to a funding for that. So our maintenance, temporary project programming events, that kind of thing will likely be funded to to a funding also, there's still on the table to just explore public private development. So there's opportunity to do a one for any private development. So it's not just municipal and then again, donations, not donations of existing work, but donations of funds.

[17:28] So some recent accomplishments, I kept the percent for our policy from 2,018 on here, because I do think it's still a recent accomplishment step over has a policy about 1% for art. But we are considering reviewing and redrafting versions of that policy this year. As to kind of better streamline the process and enforce the intent of the policy, and also to have our current city manager sign off on the policy. Some reason, permanent installations is the mural at George Reynolds Branch Library, where Sia they're even Colorado underpass urban design project by Rose Vivian and I also kept the 55 degrees product by adding Kuby on here, cause it's a pretty iconic, dynamic piece that we should be proud of.

[18:13] We also installed 10 temporary art installations last year. 9 were the farm to spaceship projects and one social streets project. We have 6 in process. Permanent public art projects underway. That's in more detail. It's been later on the presentation. One community initiated project was completed last year, Temple of Tranquility, and we have 2 community initiated projects. One is more of a donation. That's the lowest case, the Boulder Memorial, and then we have the boulder strong memorial which is still in process. We also have ongoing talks with our permanent department, planning into planning and development. Attorneys, office and finance. We've added 2 new members to our standing selection panel. Hopefully, we'll add a third tonight. We de accession, the artistic bike rack at Twelveton Walnut we hired a public our program point coordinator. Hudson, Humphrey. He's been on the job for about 6 weeks. 7 weeks.

[19:12] We also hired a collection auditor, Rachel Kane. So she's gonna be assisting kind of auditing the entire collection, organizing, creating digital folders and files and then uploading that collection to our the city's data database management tool called the hive, and also the public archive and this will lead into implementation of the accessible signage plan. We also moved a hundred artworks from the city's atrium building, return storage to the Community Vitality building. We're inventuring those works. And hopefully, we'll find new permanent homes for that 2D collection. We're assisting with the design guidelines for the civic area historic district and also continuously assisting other departments with ad hoc urban design, public art and community engagement projects. So here, I mean, this was a I think this is kind of something interesting to look at when you review the the plan is just kind of anticipated. Timelines. Kind of tracking the planning of projects. Including city area base, 2. Fire station, 2 fire station, 4 Mall

[20:17] and then and Violet Park. A handful of these projects will hopefully be completed this year. And then some are still sort of in in on hold right now. So I'm going to go through some of the in process projects. This is the one that's still kind of in in a holding pattern. This is the nineteenth and upland under pass. It's in the design. We have a design. The the parent project for this is kind of it's been lagging a little bit, but the artist is already under contract. It's a 51 $1,000 contract. So we're just. I have a meeting in February with the project team for an update but the artists probably won't get started from their year, too. And he's somewhere. Anthony Garcia's. Yeah. He's really well, I work in Denver, and he's yeah

[21:06] North Boulder corridor. So this project again was sort of on hold through the Covid pandemic. But it's kicking, picking up steam. Now, we've had approvals for new locations. We've just kind of completed preliminary design moving into engineering. The artist is sharing dowel. That contract amount is 175,000. The North Boulder Branch Library. This. We're tracking for installation this spring. The library is set to open this summer, so the artwork should be complete by the summer. The contract amount is 260,000, and this is an artist team. Fire station 3. This is a $65,000 project. Hopefully, this will be completed by the end of the year. This is for a new fire station on thirtieth kind of behind home depot. The artist is a Denver artist named Mike Clapper, who I've also worked for so pretty well known artists.

[22:06] The Eleventh is parking garage. This is $122,000 project. We kind of hit a snag with this project there. We don't have engineering for the those for the building. So, knowing how those how the artists can attach the artwork into those window openings is really important part of the project. So we've hired a team to help us assess the building so that we can share that information with the artists, and they can modify if needed. They're designed to to fit in the space we're ready. Where's the North Boulder Library? That is like right near Iris, you know, there's a little bridge over this over like stream. Right? Not not

[23:02] there we go. It's like, you know, where that stop light is. Yeah, where that used to be. can you health center. anyway? Next to the element? And this is the development rain garden. So we're in engineering right now this is a the Project Budget is $18,000, or 18 750. This is Gregory Fields from Lafayette, and this will also be installed this year. Any questions about those you have anything coming up at East Coast? East Boulder, we will be at Belmont Park.

[24:15] You have the temple of Tranquillity improvement. So it's not really choose or per permanent public, or I mean, we we kind of, because we have some flexibility with some of our funding streams. But a lot of the 1% permanent public. Our projects are tied with larger projects. So if there's larger projects coming, that's why there's some coming in the future that will ideal market shopping center hospital.

[25:08] then. really torn down a lot. They're keeping the the main office available. They're renovating that new city campus. We have at least 8 possible locations for public art. But we'll probably once once we kick off, we're having a project meeting next month, hopefully kicking off with the art selection panel the following month in March. But we have a budget of out a million dollars to spend on public art here. We probably won't have. You've 8 distinct projects, probably something more like 3 to 5 distinct calls for art. So maybe something inside the building, maybe a mural on the parking garage, maybe something kid friendly in the little parklet. Maybe something iconic at Broadway and Alpine but those are all that was kind of all. We decided that orientation reading, every talk about the budget, we talk about the site with our selection panel. We do have Maria Cole serving as our Arts Commissioner a lot of help. Helen Maskey, as our artist.

[26:08] professional compost, a community member, and Ian Swallow, a community member. So we're we're trapping to kick this off and market. And then our creative murals, our creative neighborhood program with murals. This kind of took a little bit of a hiatus last couple of years. We're hoping to kick this off again this year. Our mural roster is open now. So tell your friends if they're mural artists it'll be open till March first. So this will be our roster mural artists who would like to work on either products within the city or with private property owners. But this creative neighborhoods program I'm partnering with our new artist and venues, liaison, Cindy. So we're gonna try to. We have some Arpa funds that we could help offset some of these projects.

[27:03] not sure exactly what it'll look like. We're talking with Leader on our slack to see how we can like evolve the program a little bit. But in the past it's mainly been murals on private property. So have a question. Yeah, is that better upfront or kind of on the back end when it's provided to people to a good project. We. It's kind of an open roster. So artists apply with, it's Colorado artists. So back to your question, yeah. So we kind of kept it to Colorado artists, but they were. Gonna be sympathetic in between 2 to 4 images. And they'll. It's kind of an open list. So if if private property comes to us and says, Hey, I wanna paint a mirror on my, on my building. Do you have any suggestions? We can just point to this list. If the city says, Hey, like a Rec center one of our Rec centers, I can help them with a process and have use this as sort of a pre selected list of neural artists. Yeah. thank you. Experiments in public art. So this is our kind of ongoing program. That kind of explores what public art can be. Not permanent. Obviously. It's

[28:13] it's flexible enough that if there's unique opportunities that pop up it can go to our setting selection panel for our kind of first vetting, and then we'll also always come to you all for final approval. We do have still have 10, about $10,000 remaining from our Arpa funds, and this is for the farm to spaceship accelerator program that was launched 2022 there is an idea for a local firm burger and forward to do a a project this summer. not me. Give you any details right now. I haven't seen a proposal yet. We we did not that we had another $50,000 from Kent funds that we didn't spend last year. So this is something that I can go back to the Kager Board and request, though, that funding if there's opportunities that arise within that district, it could potentially help the burger and for Project and then we also have. We spent

[29:07] just about $25,000 social streets experiments in public art project last summer and fall so we can. I can go back to City Council and request additional funding. I've been talking with our standing selection panel, and there's an idea right now to have kind of an invitational for local, regional, national, or even international artists. To come to boulder, not necessarily to do a public art project, but to potentially hold presentations and workshops about the work that they're conducting around kind of bigger social issues. So kind of get people excited about what experiments public art could be without necessarily with a short term, timeline, without necessarily having like permits, and and really producing temporary public art. Again. This is all kind this year. We're sort of planning again for 2 a funding. So starting next year, this program will be funded through 2 way funding. So we'll do some planning around that too

[30:06] great community initiative projects like alright cool sounds. These are proposals and projects for public art that are submitted to the city with through community groups. So again, when the community comes to us, those proposals should contain, you know, a project introduction, a preferred location anticipated budget funding strategy, timeline community feedback context and teams. So we're working on one right now. Which is the boulder strong memorial project. So this is the proposed landmark artwork to auto those affected by the king. Subris shooting funding has yet to be identified. Also, a site has yet to be identified. But I'm in monthly meetings right now with other city officials, and they're in contact with some of these family members who really want this to happen. So we'll see kind of where this evolves to and how we can best support it.

[31:05] The other project, which is, which was a donation to the city. Is the lowest of all the memorial project. So there was a lot of work done to try to put this memorial at Twentyth and Canyon, where the where the bombing took place in 1974. That didn't work out. There's a lot of right of way space in that area, and 28. This is State Highway. So we found this site at Seventeenth and Pearl the family members who are still connected to this thought. That was actually a nice location, because it's on Pearl, and there's kind of walk a bit early and some some eyes on it. So we went through a process to get permits. permitting was was a little bit tricky, so we hired a a local firm to help us with a new site plan and to pull the permits. I'm hoping, hoping, hoping fingers crossed, that we can get this in the ground before May, because May is the fiftieth anniversary of the tragedy. So

[32:01] just send a good energy. and let's see art and garages program. This is a program that was to kind of activate our parking garages here in the Caja district. again, there might be some opportunities here to to utilize some experiments in public funding to activate these garages. I just heard yesterday that there's actually gonna hopefully be a cip project happening in the next 2 or 3 years to actually like, renovate some of these parking garages, and that will hopefully produce more funding where we can do more permanent public park in these garages. But really it's just to you know, it's some these garages or places where visitors and locals, park and kind of first might be the first time they see Boulder, so it could be a great like gateway entryway project that couple more on that, as it evolves 2024 public art, maintenance, and conservation, we did it. There was a condition survey. That. So started in 2019 last year. I just received, like the full package of that of that work. So we'll be going through that. I don't have a ton of money this year to spend on maintenance.

[33:11] but what I do have. I hope to spend it on and cleaning and and remediating any works that need help. Obviously, hopefully, next year, with 2, a funding will have significantly more funding to help maintain the collection. and I think this is an important slide, too. So what? To watch what? To watch for this year? Again the kickoff of the Alpine balls and Western City Campus Project which will include, you know, 3 to 5 distinct projects. free summer public art tours along Wall Street Mall and in the civic area. So I'm working with Jake, we're we're gonna really try to kick this off this summer and pull in person, public art Tours, and also some downloadable self guided tours on our website. Again, like, let me mention more presence in our arts and culture. E. Newsletter and on social media. This year we're gonna finish the audit of the collection and upload that collection to our asset management tool and to the Public Archive. The asset management tool will also feed the city's website. So hopefully, we can have interactive maps where you can zoom in and find work, see images and descriptions

[34:14] revisions to the public art policy, and then signed by the City Manager. Hopefully the Belmont Ring Garden, Noble Branch Library, North Broadway quarter project and the fire station. 3 project will all be completed this year and dedicated our new mural roster will be completed in March. and then again, fingers crossed. Installation of those days. Hopefully by. May you have a question so excited to see all this like, because, you know, there was a turnover, and like growing up the arts and culture staff at New York Female, it just feels like 2024 is the year of like. Not that it was stuck. But like so happy for all this work you're doing. And thank you. Thank you. Next year

[35:13] Brendan can ask a couple of questions. Should you do? You need to have a just a bullet point about the de acquisition process in in your implementation plan? Well, the the the accession process is in the Po, yeah, it's in the public art policy. So I mean, I urge you all to definitely read the public art policy, which is on our website. There's nothing II don't see anything slated this year for the accession. So I didn't include anything. You know, there's nothing on the table right now. But as those issues come up we will definitely go through our accession policy. Great. Yep. And I had 2 other questions, and they're probably not directly related to your your plan, if that's okay. But it's related to public art. Ii like the notion that you're trying to to document the collection. At the time of the installation artist selection. Is there any thoughts about doing any video recordings of their creative process, or something to capture that just in the moment. So you have that.

[36:20] That's a great idea. It's something that it's something we did in Denver. We would like. As the project was being fabricated, we'd go visit the studio and check on it, and then do a quick. you know 3 min video about their process and would inspire them for this project. So I think that can work with Emi and Jake can really like boost our. You know, social Media newsletter profiles on upcoming artwork. So yeah. I think that'd be really fun. And then the other one's way in the weeds. So apologize in advance. On on the murals do. Do you want to require or request the mural artists to put a certain coating on there, since graffiti is a issue in our community. And that way you know exactly how to clean the

[37:03] the murals. If something happens, we definitely always recommend that if it was a city project I would require it. I would definitely recommend it for private property owners that they like using a a graffiti guard, or you know, UV coding on top of the murals always recommended. if it's private property, I mean not sure if I can require it. But that's definitely I mean, I would always tell people to first prime the wall, and the artist can ping the wall, and then we can seal the wall. Great, great thanks, and I bring it up to, because this relates to one of the harassment issues we had. That we've been talking about for the last couple of years. One of them was a muralist so great. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, go ahead. Oh, the graffiti question. Made me think of

[38:00] the public art that's located here in the Civic Center campground. Well, I guess it's Civic Center Plaza. There was somebody. There was a a great campsite right at the base of 55 degrees, the northernmost one. Are you seeing any increase in the maintenance budget around here? Well, I'm not saying I mean increase in the maintenance budget. I have $30,000 this year, but again hopefully, next year, with 2 main funding, I'll have more funding for maintenance. So that specific issue II did call the police. They told me to use inquire boulders. I put in a ticket with Inquire Boulder about that specific incident that you're talking about because somebody was camping there for at least 2 weeks. Okay, I think more. Well, I put a ticket in, and I hope that that's what I was told to do so. I'm not seeing. I mean, I have a 55 degrees. The first that's called campsite number 12. Kind of bigger question you're asking is. Yes, I'm sure we will see. I'm sure there'll be. You know.

[39:08] this Co. This collection assessment that we had done in 2019 is not capturing what's happening now? So I think we will. I'll look through those documents and see what needs attention this year with the limited budget that I have. But I think, Nek, you know, starting next year we'll start a new assessment, hire a new company to come through and look at all 300 plus artworks. It'll just be an interesting data point. Sorry, Brendan. I raised my hand. But to your point. I'd advise anyone who sees anything up with the public art. If there's been vandalism, it just doesn't look right. If there's damage or something just ping the public art email address so that we can keep track of it. Report laundry hanging off of us. Oh, yeah. that might fire boulder ticket. We did. You know we did do our first profile with some some sculptures in civic area that up up by the library at the bottom of that profile we put a little tagline like, please, if you see anything that looks out of place, let us know. So we really do rely on the public to help us

[40:21] see stuff. So Art Center still finds still, says Terry. Part center. Oh, it's called Inquire Boulder. I mean, you might just call the Dairy Art Center, they probably already know. Are they in charge of the signage, though, because it's a brown side. So that's a state sign, right? Very exciting. I don't know.

[41:27] Like, for example. or maybe was under transportation. I don't know but there was reference to pool like having a small amount of money and it pooling. Yeah. So I mean, as the policy stands now, anything that's any construction budget. That's

[42:01] a hundred $1,000 or more. We can allocate 1% for public art. So if you think about it, if it's a hundred $1,000 project, we get $1,000 for public art. That's not, I guess, very far. So like that. We're we're our public. Our budget is less than $10,000. We can pool with other projects. Hopefully, they're nearby, but maybe they're just under parks, and maybe they're under transportation. We can pull those funds to and pick one site for more impact. Okay? And then do the the. So if you had 6 sites, or, you know projects, and Number 6 got pulled funds to one through 5 standards in some way or like, how does that? I mean, it's hopefully hopefully working staff myself. And you know Jake and Lauren and Matt, we could work with those those project teams that are working those projects. And hopefully, we'd come to some sort of consensus about WW. Which project really deserves public art, or like, has a site for public art that seems most obvious. You know some projects are a little bit like well, oh, there's not really a spot, anyway. So let's take that $5,000 and throw it over here, and actually like do something with more impact. Okay, yeah, cool. And then, second question.

[43:20] I saw reference for Ca, calendar for community feedback portion of the timeline is that on the website, where can we think it's on the website? But there is. So I think once we once a project, once a our selection panel, select their final list. We have a town hall or some sort of community event where we can present who the finalists are. It's not really a chance for the public to vote on those finalists. But it's a chance for the public to be informed about where the product is heading. So just get pushed out right now, social social media, I think we have to do a official public notice.

[44:04] So my third and final question is, for example, I know that permitting has been a challenge for public arts and and some of these projects. but in your opinion, is there anything that we, as commissioners can use our voices for either as commissioners or other citizens with city council, or whoever to make like easier. II mean, I would say that low space is special because it was a donation. So it was really up to me to find a new S location for it. And and then it's really up to us to do the permitting, whereas fire Station 3, because it's embedded in a larger construction project like there was already permits being pulled to build the building, so that the footer for this culture was sort of already embedded in that permit process. So there's it wasn't a headache.

[45:06] but I would say I mean, my goal would be to figure out somehow to kind of make maybe, like a pre checklist question aired. I'm not sure how far that will get I'll I'll let Matt answer. We have spent a couple of years in conversation with planning and development services around this issue would come up with some solutions. That really, we're just kind of testing out. Because right now, it's more projects are coming online. So there's still challenges in permitting and we have yet to see if our solutions are going to solve those problems. So stay tuned on that I think the what I can answer your question about the way you can get all is continue to ask questions of Brandon about how things are going. Kinda help us track that. The next opportunity is really gonna be that there will be a public process around the update of the comprehensive plan, and there'll be a chance for members of the public to weigh in on important issues. If you feel like that's a priority. That would be the place, because that is the long term policy setting document for every department.

[46:16] And so that would, you know, there's probably more that you have in mind about our city that you want to talk about there. But that could be a way that you could get your voice. I think special events. It's it's kind of permitting across the city, I think. Yeah. And city Council is going to be discussing that next few weeks. So great have a question. Sure. I would love to know, like your response to like the public opinion that the public are is to save. If there's anything in your power to even do anything about that. I as staff, we don't have a vote on any art selection. So it's really up to the heart selection panel to make those kind of first decisions. And then it comes to you all to help push those decisions along. Our sending selection panel, obviously for donations or for temporary projects, will be that kind of first

[47:12] look. Info I don't know. I don't know how how else to answer that. It's really it's really like who we put on these panels and and the conversations we have in that room, about the heart and about the goals and the site and audience. And so I mean, I would love to see boulder kind of push the envelope a little bit more in terms of public art. But I don't have that much power in terms of what art is actually selected. Yeah, how does how does that go, man? I wanna underscore what you said, because that is one role that you, as commission members on selection panels can help adjust that but it it is a lot bigger than that, because

[48:11] community selection of public artwork tends to go that direction. Right? Is that, you know, we we don't seek out work that's bland. but we certainly see out work that the community is going to enjoy and appreciate. That's gonna be easy to maintain over time. That's going to be you know, sort of fit into the aesthetic of the surrounding areas. You know all of those things kind of lead us down that road sort of naturally. And so it takes a lot of personal energy to try and pull it in a different direction. And that's something you, as a commission can work on is how how to get some that done. But I will say that experiments in public art is a way to help the community along with that. So you know, as Brandon. And since selection panel and you start to talk about temporary projects coming up, I'd say, that's a place where you could see what artists can engage with this community in new ways

[49:08] to help educate the community about what's possible for permits. So you know, look to experiments as well, and to follow up on the experiments. I know that that was supported a lot like Federal funds. What's the what's the forecast for 2024, 2025, having more of that? Oh, like Arba funding. Yeah, for specifically for experiments? I don't think I'm not sure if we have any federal funding. Alright. Yeah, there there was. There was some different funding pools that experiments sort of captured. I will say that there was a major investment made by city Council $300,000 over 2 years from the general fund. Which is is a big deal. Yeah. And so we're taking that very seriously and been working on the next iteration. That's gonna happen this year. This is gonna be something that we bring up for the next budget cycle, because we are gonna have a conversation about a new way of spending new source. So I believe, personally, the experiments in public artists proven itself that we are. Gonna look to help you expand the program. I don't know if that means more money or not.

[50:25] But that's a conversation that you all are gonna have to have coming up. And if you think it's worth investing in, you should let us know. Okay, thank you. Any other questions on this thanks, Frank recommended motion. If you would like to anybody like to make a motion. I'll make a motion 2. I know that the public art implementation plan be recommended to the city manager for approval.

[51:02] I'll second any discussion on that ready for vote. All in favor. Okay. alright. And then one more small piece of business. New setting selection panel member. Howard Ruben, of Boulder, Colorado is excited to join gabriel Schuller. She is from Denver, Colorado. She was on the panel for a few years. She It's a lot of other work to do, and she's just joined the cliff are still museum board, so she's resigning from our setting function here in Boulder and Howard is excited to join. He graduated from C. Boulder, 1998, with a degree in marketing. So a lot of marketing work over the past 20 years and work with big brands like Nike Stella Levi's Microsoft. So I think he's he's really a creative guy, only interested in like, see what this our program could could do. And

[52:04] again, it's the setting selection panels here to kind of that. Temporary projects, experiments on public art donations, the accession, and then I'll I'll always bring those decisions back to the like to make a motion on Howard that moves that we approve Howard Ruben to join the standing selection panel, bringing the membership number up to 5. I'll second any discussion all in favor. It's unanimous. Alright, thank you all very much. Before we move on to Warren I skipped over something on the agenda, which is approving the November meeting minutes. So let's loop that back in I'll take a motion ready.

[53:06] Yeah, cause we didn't have one in December yet. I'll make a motion to approve the November minutes. I'll send any discussion. Yes. so all in favor of approving the November meeting minutes with that change. Yes, right? Oh, and just. I would be remiss if I didn't. Mentioned that Linda Flying, who was one of the facilitators of the experiments in public art. She's performing right now at the Denver Center for the performing arts with a Barbara gearing, and it's been an amazing show. It used to be called

[54:02] girls. Only now it's got a bigger title, like the secret lives of Secret Lives of girls. So it's the 2 of them selling stories about growing up, and it's very, very funny. Yes. good evening. So we had just a few branch reports for review. 3 community project grants, and I believe Jordan need to recuse yourself from the as a board member. Right? What? Actually, I think 2 of them, if you're so inclined, recuse yourself from voting on report. And the area to report, does that sound right? Well, okay.

[55:00] I have a question about that, Lauren. So isn't Georgia appointed by this commission to be on the Dairy Arts Center? That's right. Yeah, that was the question I had for you, cause I met with. I met with someone today. And I that was the question that came up. If I on the board, then, during recuse myself from all the stuff with the dairy. and I have not done that on Bemoka. This came up before. So you know, when they start talking about grants. If they do, if they did, I would remove myself from the Board meeting, but they don't do that. So which the first answer is you should recuse yourself only if you are an immediate family member, have an immediate financial benefit from making the decision. However, ours commissioners have in the past taken on themselves to go the extra mile, recuse themselves for, or use connections to a grant just for the sake of the appearance of a conflict of interest.

[56:13] So You have to decide it. Everything in the dairy both would apply to that higher standard for you. That's a personal decision that you can make. but certainly the one that's directly related to your program. But yeah, I just didn't know about the art center and the that community like, I had nothing to do with that? Hmm, yeah. So that's that's a choice that you can make. And anyone, if if you ever have any questions about recusal in that gray area you can talk to Warren and I, and we can also bring in our so we'll wanna break that one out.

[57:06] Sounds good. So we have, then you can approve them. All the individual ones approve individual ones will, submitting questions, postponed approval, pending questions or not prove and cancel the final 20%. And we can also adjust this language, which I will pull this one out. But if there's any others that you'd like to pull out to discuss before we get into it, and that is more perfect. I had a question about the Carly ransom once before we are you suggesting to pull it out. No? Okay. So question, okay, let's let's see if there's anything else. People wanna have a separate vote on first, and then we'll go to your question, Maria. Anything for you? I as well had some questions about Carly Ransom. So I wonder if we could pull it out?

[58:00] Okay. okay. So I would invite emotion. she's putting up right there just the the 2. So II moved that we approved the Grant reports from the dairy and modus. Second. Okay. Discussion on that alright great. Well, I'll I'll save my comments till after the book, so it's not to influence all right, all in favor. That's unanimous any comments you want to make. I'm joined comments after all of them. I just wanted to say great work. You know, I went to the native American market that was awesome. It was bone. They didn't have any from either of the reservations in Southwest Colorado, but they acknowledge that in the in the description. So I think they're trying to to do better.

[59:05] if they listen to this recording contact me because I have many contacts there. So I'd be happy to help put them in touch with people that would probably love to exhibit. At the dairy for next coming year, and modus is just continued, continually continuing to kick butt. They're just their stuff is just killing it. I love what they're doing. II think they're representative of what I was excited about for all 4 that it's really just very diverse fabric of art that's represented this month. So loves that echo what you would say. Good work did you see at the but the dairy? I'm curious because I didn't see it in the Rotovlete was there many people from Boulder that showed up cause I've gone. I went to the market. When I was there.

[60:03] There weren't a ton of people to begin with. At that particular time I was there. You know. It's funny a lot, I think a lot of people come just for the market, and a lot of people come just for the performances. I think there's certainly a mix there while you're waiting for the performance to start. You kind of look around. but I think they could definitely do more with building their attendance cause I'm not. I'm not convinced they're pulling in big numbers yet, but I know they have the possibility to do that. I just think they need more outreach. because I was just curious, because the one that I went to there was a lot of people there, but it was all the native American people, older people. And so I'm curious to know, like how much hopefully my hope would be for them to come and show up with all of their things and go home with with yeah, none of their art, all the many.

[61:04] So I was just curious because I couldn't. I didn't really see that information in the report which doesn't mean that it wasn't there. It just means that I didn't see it. Yeah. And I don't know if that's something that the Arts Commission can can help with in terms of marketing. I know Lauren is doing her best to get the word out there about different events. But you know I'm not sure what we could do to take a next level. Yeah, maybe, Emmy. I will give them a props on their budget. It's very detailed, and I love all the notes of like. Why, they moved things where and all these all that great. I love the extra details. Yeah. cool. great. Let's move on to curly Ransom, and let's start with, whether is it anybody's interest in making this

[62:05] current function? And, second, that I didn't have the discussion. First, let me have the discussion first. Sure, Maria, let's start with you, since you're online and your questions and comments. Sure, II just felt myself wanting more information. Either. A letter from Samba, Colorado, just acknowledging how this was helpful, or don't necessarily want to see the the information she prepared for them. But if she wanted to send that, that would be interesting to don't you know we don't need to review all that. But I just felt myself wanting to see something more. It's like a paragraph like, yeah, more details. What? Exactly they learned. Yeah, yeah, I will say that is in part, because our limitations there's a 1,250 word limit we could expand it to for this report and for the which is not the leadership pipeline report to a page just to get more information. But that is on our side, like a mission limitation. Yeah, right? Yeah,

[63:18] do we have this grant anymore? This one was rolled into the leadership pipeline front. No, okay. Because I just, I felt like this was one person who helped one group. and I would hope that our grant many would help more have more of an impact. For a person that doesn't live in Boulder to help the company that is not in Boulder December night headquarters here. They're not headquarters here, but they have defense here.

[64:00] I was excited to see what I thought was expressed was a lot of impact on the organization. I agree it might be nice to see something from this city, but we didn't ask for that and but I noted that it. from the report, seemed to move them toward ability to to put in for the 501 c. 3, and sort of rethink how they were doing their outreach, and I felt like for an organization in the stage that they are, and with some of the some of the things that I've seen as their challenges and previous applications they put in. That really probably does make a big impact again. Yes, for one organization. But I think you know, in a in a very positive way for small growing organization here. But it does do programs that impact a lot of people. Yeah, maybe that needs to be part of the the thing is that their report, if they're doing it under the auspices of an organization in this case, Samba, that may be the Ed of the organization, right? So a letter saying, You know how this person help thoroughly, tangibly help their organization. Why it was worth it.

[65:21] I don't think that's too, egregious to ask for I don't, but I do, i'm just thinking back to the last round of, like the leadership pipeline Fund, where you have organ like individuals, and the intended reason for that fun. This is for individuals they like emerge as leaders, right? So they might not use it, and a couple of them were just not associated with organizations. So in that case, then. how do we balance that out? Or is that even the intended purpose of that fund? Because I think really, ultimately, we are trying to support one person to become a a proper leader here in the city boulder. Right? Yeah. It's not a project button right? Right?

[66:02] But in this case in particular, I can certainly back to that do you want me to ask for more information from her? Because we did only give her 1,200 characters? So we could ask for, and I like send it information from her about her own experience, and how that helped in all of her fully all of her professional career that be helpful. I didn't have a problem looking to you. This II figured it was yes, for curiosity's sake, just to have like I think I would. Still I would still approve. Personally I would still approve it. But I would still request that author. Is it possible, just moving forward, to move, to change that page instead of 250, we tend not to do changes mid report, but after from now on we can. We haven't depended on the leadership pipelines. We can change it this year. But yeah, those those 2 that were approved last year, I would say that we should not do that.

[67:05] Oh, yeah, take care. Yeah. So is anybody feeling comfortable revising or making this motion? I'll I'll go ahead and make the motion. I I'm glad we talked about it, though. I move that we approve the Grant report from Carly Ransom. I'll second all in favor. Okay. he knows. Wonderful. Thank you. I'll be sure, every all of these grantees hear that feedback, too. We send them the video. So so we're onto your project for the comments after she stay in the hall for both.

[68:05] Okay. but do I? Do? I get to say, wait! No, no, no, sorry you appreciate. Alright, so anybody will need to make this option. I move that we approve the Grant report from Amanda Burke Wilson. Also, again. any discussion on accepting the report all in favor that's unanimous

[69:01] one of the product. John Hart Social Club. And was it the slickest production? No, but that it was so endearing because of that, because there were truly from can beginners to professionals. You know, the band was kind of hobbling along, and I know they're gonna but there was like Sing along like the audience was like clapping and getting into it, and it was so refreshing to have that for this tradition, and I know you have participated in this tradition over the years. So

[70:07] yes, and it was a start contrast, because I also saw New York City bellies, not and I can appreciate both. But the value. It felt very like it was bolder, but like a side of boulder that don't normally see representing the art. And that little boy. I can't stop thinking about this 4 year old kids adorable. It was a challenging space. They use a small stage for a lot of people. But yeah, I I'm excited to see what comes next. I felt like the veil between audience and performer was so thin, and you could sit in that audience and visualize. Oh, maybe I could get up on a stage someday and dance and say, you know, and you could feel, I'm sure the performers could really feel how the audience was pulling for them, too.

[71:02] Anybody else. We'll bring her back in. Marie. Are you good? Don't know. I can hear. It's I think she knows she knows. Oh, that's it. I did one more update, but no slide. So you saw in the packet that the Roots Music project is also offering fee waiver program now. It's 10 nights a year. They've already got a couple people interested. But we haven't opened the program yet. I wanted to bring into the Commission. Make sure that you're all in the agreement with that. It can be a part of our Commission grant program and see if you have any questions, and otherwise it'll be posted

[72:07] in like 2 weeks. and I assume that it was. It's just a copy paste from our other. Yeah, I'll just say I stopped by there, cause it's next door to the place where I get a car fixed and it's really cool. They did a very good job. The photography on the wall is outstanding like it's very the lighting. I really so as a performer, I don't often find places that have all the things. And you know this one kind of. because. you know. doesn't have a backstage. But I just I really like the job that they did the lights so good. And it's just it's cool. It's cooler than I am, you know. If you're looking to check it out. That's where the Film Commissioner in in including the new room

[73:11] off to the side to the right. And so 2 big rooms. Yeah. So you've been there? No, but they're doing cool stuff there. Just we need more more spaces like that in Boulder. Oh, did anything ever come of my suggestion to when people apply that they're told what the expected costs might be, cause none of these places are free. So whenever they apply to any of them, they have to reach out to the organization first, the organization to prove their performing, so that just to be sure that we have space, but also it saves us from a bit of approving something like government language. So the organization can say we do or do not want support that frankly. And then we are like a secondary. They apply to us after that, so they have to send us and so it's part of that the organizations are giving them like. Certainly Mackey gives them a full like. Here's the full pricing estimate, and here's your fee. Waiver right? I haven't seen those

[74:29] budget breakdowns, but whenever they reach out for the whenever they apply. I also tell them about the venue funds as long as we have them trying to get a free. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So whenever the contacts in each of these

[75:01] people are reaching out to them first, and they're being walked through the process. It's exciting. So yeah, thank you. I'll build it out. We're not voting on it as like a mission both. Just if you have any serious concerns, however, I will go forward with that and then it'll be in the Newsletter and on social media whenever it's posted. That's it. About that I have a question related to the Grants program. It's not on the agenda. But I we use on the website. We'd have the whole calendar when the applications and when it's to stack. And when it's the Arts Commissioning on the website, it's the website. So

[76:11] program page on the very bottom. It's a big list of them from a big list to the other pages. So on the can. Actually, I could share my list of like all the dates for the grant. Right? That's how. Yeah. So we're on the city site now. So we have some limitations we didn't have before. Some of it's beautiful. And I really appreciate it right, and I really appreciate that it is

[77:08] easily translated that we fit into like other city systems. There are just some challenges that of all of us getting adjusted, myself included things on our own website. So our grandpage, right? I'm sure you all have seen this reporting section. And this related information section is really where a lot of these wait, what is this? Is not boulder arts.org. This is the so boulder. Now forward you to the city website, and we have a section on the city of older websites. We don't have like a slope page anymore. It doesn't. So for me, it just says danger. Can I look at that after this meeting? I'm gonna look at that cause I sent it. But I wanna know exactly what we got. But this is our new for anybody watching? Our new Grant website. So the bottom of it is where we have related information which includes the funding structure eligibility. The application schedule is, yeah.

[78:10] Glad that you're also yeah, cool. But the nice thing about this to working with the website team is that it is make. We're city has a project to make the website entirely accessible. So every image will have text. But it's very exciting, is our other website. We were like not able to do that kind of work. I mean. Now we have, like the whole city, it team helping us with that right? You could very easily translate to Spanish, too, on our on these pages. So I think it's I think it's an upgrade. It's just some navigation stuff that I'll just gonna get used. So yeah, if you ever looking for anything, the square root break is here right as you start your grant system, start your grant square soon.

[79:06] The statement on culture, equity or Logos grants previous grant awards and all that kind of stuff. So that helpful yeah. And you can always reach out to them. Thanks. We start at this website. Yeah. And then where? In the top, if you put in arts and culture. bye. everybody should just live. Yeah, function. Also, I really think the easiest thing is, if you just Google boulder arts and culture rather than go to the city homepage and then navigate there. I mean, if you just Google, City of Boulder Arts and culture, you'll get to the hack. I just Google things. And then

[80:10] let us keep talking. So if you had any questions about that very expensive matters before that we had just implementation plans and other sections. The thing I did want to point out is the general operating support survey. So it's the combined information from their 2022 reports. Right? So you have to imagine this is a 2022 data. So there's still like the kind of Covid pandemic fluctuations. But some really good information, you know. audience sizes are growing. Programs are coming back like it's. I think it's pretty exciting. I think that's part of my instructedness. Feeling if you have any like specific questions about it, feel free to reach out to me. And this is something that is on our website also

[81:01] challenge you to find it. But we have a research section on the website that has this data. So if somebody's looking like what's happening, city holder, we're we're using this this data, and we take it up from everybody and put it all together. So it's also not like a digging into the 42 individual recipients. My next point on that is just that February first the tomorrow. The general operating support reports are due. We have 42 current recipients. So it's a one page document one page summary. Take aways. That financial overview, which is, you know, so you can kinda easily get a read on their financials. And then some pictures and some proof of logos. So it looks like a lot when I send it to you. But it's really like a one page with some images. I'm gonna give it out as soon as possible. So you have enough time to read it for next month, and then you'll be reviewed. I was like your February meeting.

[82:04] I had a question. And I think it's just the first page of their grants right? And there's the pie charts which I think are reflecting like what percentage of their total budget. We give them small, or is, it's way bigger than the 2%. For the extra large gets wondering if, like, what's your interpretation of that is that like good? Is that normal? Is that to be expected? Do we need to do a better job for extra large like? What's what's your take on it? Yeah. in 2,015, we did a study on the the best standards for the proportion of a healthy organization's budget that comes from government funding overall.

[83:05] And what we came up with then was 10% and that's not just a subsidy to keep them running. It's a healthy part of their books. and when we backed that into what we thought general operative supports would look like for 2,016, and beyond what we tried to target was understanding a Cfd industries, Federal funds from the Anya. We tried to put together some sort of understanding of the mix and then have the general operating support. Support grants fill that in. It didn't work. Their funding is still not quite that 10% for most organizations. So it it's not a good or bad thing. It's not that we missed the mark or anything, but as we move into what is the future hold, for now that the cultural plan is a lot is sun setting, and what do we look into the future? I think we can say that general operating support is still important. It's it's really been successful.

[84:08] But it it, that initial assertion that we could lead the way into that 10% number hasn't quite come true for all these organizations. So II think it's just a a a it's. It's a bit of a moment in time. And just the fact of what we're looking at in these numbers. But it is an indicator that it's not quite that. but also neither do we have the money to just give everyone time. And does that in your mind as a as an individual like does that? Does that indicate changes, or just like, keep trying with the the scheme that we have for me. Personally, I think it's just more. It's more investigation about what's going on, because if if city boulder has consistently increased its funding for the arts. All these years we've had discussions every 3 years about trying to operate support and what to do in the future. We've been very responsive. Any. A funding has not kept up

[85:15] the State in funding for the arts. We are 48 out of 50 States for funding in the arts. So this this isn't a boulder problem, necessarily, that we're gonna solve with with whatever happens next with the corporate plan. But I think we just need to study it. See? See what we can do. And it's not gonna just be about. So what you were gonna say. I mean, much better set. Thank you. But I think part of it is to think about like as we talk about supporting organizations making sure they're supported. And then all of the staff, all of the users and the gig workers and the people that they're hiring. That is this what we want to say, whenever we're funding right like.

[86:08] and for next year, and as we like work on a new cultural plan to look at other fund like a Cfd funding and state funding and see how they're doing, because I don't think it is adjusted. I know. I guess. Cfd funding right. How do we fit in with those. But also when we go out to the world or to our community and say, Yes, we're supporting these medium, large, extra large organizations. Is that is that true? Like and what can we do to to even the playing field, if that's possible? But thank you. Sorry to. It's interesting, right? Like it's something that. And it's something that you all can have an impact on. So I'm glad that you think about it right? Maybe put that down on the list of things to talk about at the next retreat. Yes.

[87:08] I don't know. Yes, you can, Matt. Oh. you may want to plug the participant, and then you may want to introduce something. Got a nice so I was in community vitality

[88:00] 18 to 22, and then I was in Central finance as a budget analyst there and then I rejoin, community vitality cause all the exciting stuff that the department gets to do. So. Yes, we have arts and culture. Yeah, so when I was in Cv, originally, we did not have arts and culture. Actually, I was there during the transition of arts and culture as well as special events which are 2 very applicable roles work programs that community vital house. So it's very nice to be involved in this team, and it's very nice to meet you all. Let's see here we do And then the artist Forum. So Cindy said, Luca has restarted the artist for rooms, if you'll remember them, like individual artists getting together talking about different topics. This first one is going to be at the Junkyard Social Club on the sixth from 5 to 6 30 pm. And this one is going to be. Talk about so like restart the series, and get a sense of what people are interested in talking about. You want to hear about anything really oriented towards individual artists. I think she still, like

[89:08] 30 or 40 people, are Cp already, which will be really fun. So on the sixth, yes, on 6, at 5, you see. Thank you. Everybody introduced. Let's take it free. Okay, so reminder that now we have a New year and we have a new ticket fund. So, if you remember from previous years, the ticket fund is a way to help us like, help you to go enjoy all the incredible arts, and see what you're all up to, what you're funding and what you're doing, and what your neighbors are doing and help with a little bit of that economic pressure that it is to buy tickets and things. So if you are interested in getting tickets. We can buy you, I think, up to 2 up to $50 or something. We'll figure it out. But contact me, Lisa, right? Thank you. She's gonna help me with getting your tickets for things. So just let us know about what you wanna go see?

[90:10] Up to 2, 3 year. 2 people. No, you can. Well, there's 2 of us. Yes, but or you could take something with you, too. Yeah, it's like you can go in check out stuff until we run our money. So book your stuff. Yeah. So there's something that I'm trying to go to with Carolyn. But I know that the ticket ticket prices high. I think we'll figure it out absolutely. Do you ask me to email? You applicants are very interested in you being well.

[91:06] and it removes the trick which happens when they offer you free tickets, because you should be going out there and seeing their stuff. But we don't want that perception of impropriety. So this is our way to solve those problems. So glad you're under good time. But okay, if not, let me know. That's it. Thank you. I think that's it. Anybody, anybody. We're good.