February 28, 2024 — Boulder Arts Commission Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] Me in order. Alright! We'll start with the land acknowledgement. The city of Boulder acknowledges to me is on the ancestral homeland and unseeded territory of indigenous peoples who have traversed, lived in and stored in land in the Boulder Valley since time immemorial. Those indigenous nations include the Apache, Arapaho Cheyenne Comanche, Pani, Shoshone. Sue, and you. The city of Boulder, recognizes that recognizes that those now living and working on these and sas for land have a responsibility to acknowledge and address the past, and this work to build a more just alright. So we'll start with the approval of today's agenda, since you would like to make a motion. I'll make a motion and approve the agenda 1 s. All on paper. Okay, now

[1:01] passes unanimously, and as part of our package we had the January meeting minutes. I think I had. Oh, I don't have the the number, the memo in front of me, but I have one edit to it. Or one question about what was recorded. Lauren, the the minutes from the January meeting reference having 2 tickets per year available to commissioners or 2 tickets per month. Okay, yeah. So I would request that edit another edit. Anything anybody like to make a motion? I think to make a proposal to approve the minutes from the last meeting. all in favor.

[2:02] Great, excellent! Alright! Do we have anybody signed up for public participation? Great! We'll move past that then alright, typically under matters for commissioners, we spend a little bit of time doing our liaison updates. We have a lot to cover in this meeting. So I would. I'm I still invite. If anybody has nothing really like to make sure that we hear this month, otherwise we can make some time at a future meeting for that. I'll give one. Thank just I met with

[3:04] this time. and just ask, like what you know I were to bring anything to the meeting, you know, like, what are some things that are needed as far as being arts organization. And I took it down. Notes. Yeah. but I will say that it was Hershel stays. Okay. and I'll just quickly say. I'll just quickly say that I met with Jesse from Jaipur Literature festival. That was nice, because I've never met her in person before, so it was nice getting the number a little bit. and she's very appreciative of all the help reporting all the different excellent, and I don't think we have any other matters to discuss right now in the community.

[4:06] So we're going to dive right into the Grants program in hopes of getting out of here on a reasonable. I'll turn it over to Lauren. would share my screen, and then I can pose it if you wanna have a further discussion, so they can like see better. But so for our so first we'll run through the grant reports for the project. There were 5 of them. I believe you're going to so For these reports, you can approve them all through individual ones so prove individual ones submitting specific questions. So we send them the funds and ask questions and follow up much like you saw in this packet. We postpone approval of individual reports pending any answers, or we not approve

[5:12] and cancel the final 20% reason royalty, which is you? And I do have separate Grant report language with Caroline pulled out as a but I can pull up the names again if there's any that you want to pull out to discuss. If you have any specific questions about these anything preliminarily that people wanna pull out to discuss just what's on the screen on the screen right now with the idea that E is separated up. I'm I'm gonna make a motion. Go ahead.

[6:19] I second all in favor. That looks like it's unanimous, and I'll open the floor for general comments on those reports on those ones in particular. Did we have an update on pro musica from from their updates from last. This was one dating back several years ago. We had met with her back in in August, and I was just curious as to what what the final report from from them was.

[7:03] There's there is also their report from the general operating support which possibly addresses what you may be asking about. I possibly Are, are you? Is your question in relation to the overall help with the organization or no? It was. It was specific to this project. I just didn't know if anyone else had any comments at all. cause I know we were glad to see this one come across the finish line. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. II guess I would say, my, you know, in reading it I was glad they were able to do something. I wondered if they could let us know when they get the videos up, because I know it's kind of like they were still working on that, and I would love to see that happen. And it's unfortunate that their partnership didn't panic the way they wanted it to. And sometimes that happens over the course of several years when you're dealing with what we were dealing with. Yeah, I was. I was pleased to see them be able to to do something with it, though.

[8:09] Absolutely questions, comments as well. Okay. So I'm gonna recuse myself from the last one and let me know when I come back. Hey? The language and Georgia. Yes. right? I can make a motion. madam. Vice chair report from in community. Okay. you know. Important. Oh, wait. We got your grandma. And yeah.

[9:09] Yeah. Oops. So first made a motion, we need a second. We're talking about the to to approve the report from. Have we motioned and seconded at this point. Yes, yes, and so ask if? Oh. project no? Then we both. Yep. Okay. Is that it? As usual, the quality of the grants were awesome. And

[10:05] what's that can she come back in there? And another thing about that temp electronic? Thanks, guys, I barely got no, I just wanted to say Parts, as usual, were wonderful exceptional projects being done in the community. And I especially like that. the Temple of Tranquility people, but that that email that they had received and then had responded to somebody complaining. And then they communicated back to the person, and then they included the response back from the original person, and it just really says a lot about the arts and how it's

[11:06] just. I don't. It's a beautiful thing to see that kind of communication happen in a community. So I was very happy that you that it was included. Caroline. I wasn't prepared for what it was. Yeah, welcome. Thank you. Thanks for sharing that. No. alright! Hi, sir, we're we're transitioning into a new topic, so we'll let you. So in Alright, do you wanna head us up with some comments on Gus. Sure. So certification of the 2224 general operating support grants. We had 38 to review this evening, and I really appreciate your time and energy, as was the heart community for dedicating your time to reviewing these

[12:06] As usual, you can approve the reports, approve individual reports, approve reports while submitting questions. After that postpone approval, pending any answers to questions or not approve them. And actually, it's not final. 20, their final payment. Here we go easy, Peasy. So I have this very casual text here. 38 innovations. And this is Caroline's prerogative. But I think in the past we've usually, if you have one that concerns you or that you have questions about, you want to discuss, we'll pull it out, and I can put separate function language there. Just so it's not part of the bigger discussion. I'd like to propose that we do that and open the floor. If anybody has one of these. That you wanna speak specifically to or gets more feedback, as you, considering whether

[13:03] let's have Lauren drop that into a separate motion. and we can go through those individually. I'm okay with it. As it reads. I just have one question older ballet. because they pull that out into a separate discussion. I have a question. Yeah, okay, let's pull the boulder ballet out. or should we just ask the question? Okay, sure, I'm just curious. Since the last grant the $10,000 community grant, and they used apparently majority of that grant to keep it on the lights that for Gos. But should they did, they still need the remainder of, I think that's a separate discussion. So let's pull that out. If

[14:01] did. let's see. I think pro musica is a separate discussion. oh. great. Okay. So when Laura and Lauren is ready, we're ready for the first motion. So that is prepared the top language. Oh, look at that. Oh, okay. Jeffrey.

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[16:00] boulder, nobo, arts, district partland school for the art standards of advanced cinema, streetwise Art Studio Arts, Boulder T. 2 advanced company, and the cat announced the spark of performing Arts community. I am so sorry, I hope, that we can address this without having to read that all again. But I it occurred to me that I think, using mobile that also. So maybe we can just approve that motion with that edit. Okay? Great. So all in favor. That's, I see, an elbow excellent. So are unanimously passed specifically we would have some time for some feedback. What I'd like to suggest is that we hold our general comments until get through these last 3, because I suspect, hold

[17:04] about the entire group. So alright boulder ballet. Yes. so. But they didn't get a full. Gos. Grant. Right? 3, 9. How how much of a grant? 26,000. Some change it was based on. It was a hundred 1,000 for 5 organizations and spread out equally between them. So it's like number. I can pull up a secretary. Sorry. but they didn't receive a call 2024 for the full 3 years or each year. So 20, let me, just because public record of matters understand but they so, for example, I believe that they would have been awarded in their category would be 50,000 every year for 3 years, and they were given a 2 year timeframe. And then.

[18:09] oh, pardon me, they're in the 20,000 category. So the large category. So instead of 20,000 every year. For 3 years they were awarded 10,414 for 2 years. Right? Cause. We came back 2023, and we're able to do like that to your split, too. And some of those organizations that merited something. But we're not able to. So helmet. So how much today. So they still need to receive another. Oh, I see the final 10,000. Yeah, 10,414, right? So the ones, for example, they just approved. They'll be paid their final payment of whatever category they're in for this year. Okay, okay,

[19:02] another school. Umhm. Well. I don't know. Does anyone else have any thoughts to really dive into that one for me if you feel it wasn't because of the handle. Probably. So my thought on it was is that we discussed a lot of the budget on the project level. And so I'm looking at it, operating support. And I think that we had some some policy, things that we discussed, and that were

[20:01] at least trying to address through changes to the contracts and our ability to do a little bit more digging into budget. So to me, I feel like. at least we're gonna know. The conversation was at the project level for me. Yeahs, conversation or project. Money was right. And so one of the things the way I have heard an outcome from that discussion is that it's been clearer in what we are communicating, going forward to projects. What the baseline expectation is for including and spelling out those full operational costs in our project level. Grant because there is a certain amount of that that we've heard from. Staff is appropriate and recommended as

[21:09] best practice in our arts organization and then in the application. Now. there's links to some recommendations of like. If you want to get a sense of what your project should. How much administrative cost. I saw those links today. By the way, yeah, I think. But it was like easy to find good. I won't die that that was my take on it. But I'm an individual. This is a Geos discussion when I'm looking at their 1 million dollar operating budget and the programming that they're doing. This is really kind of a drop in the bucket. So I'm I'm perfectly fine with moving forward with them specifically

[22:06] discussion thoughts. Somebody like to make a motion is this to is this to them specific, or the other 3, we can do them all. I was just posed a question whether we wanted to do them individually or as a group, we can wait and do it as a group. Yeah, I think we just do it as a group and just talk go through each of the 3, then great one. the second one museum of boulder. I wanted to pull that out just because I have a question about the losses that are reflected on their budget. I suspect that that has to do with them having a building and depreciation on the building. But I'm not an expert on that. So I just wanted to kind of pull that out and make sure that

[23:02] we, as Commissioner staff, reach out and make sure that in the in the voice of Bruce, how could we help? Is there anything to help with? Is there any concern? Is that just a reflection of, you know timing and what's going on with their budget. we have talked about them before. The backstory and museum of Boulder specifically is they've separated from their executive director who is also standing in as a development director. They did a lot of programming build out and adding a lot of staff without really writing the ship on development and fundraising. Bob Yates has actually stepped in as the interim executive director. There's been changes on the Board, because the Board really was was really their fiduciary responsibility to report up to the executive director at least hold accountability for

[24:02] losses and gains but he is writing the ship, I'm actually liaison for them. But I've also been talking to Bob specifically on this as far as the building that they have there. They also have warehouses up in gun barrels so as far as land and buildings that they own they're they're they're they're well. they, they have assets so they're going to be fine. And they are looking for a new executive director, and he is coming in and doing some fiduciary responsibility right to ship in the meantime. Awesome. That's really great insight. Thank you. Glad that you're their liaison. Understand all that. Anybody else any discussion on museums. And then the third one was pro musica, and I wanted to make sure we pulled that out, because in their report they are referencing that they are using the first half of 2024 to complete their programming schedule, and then we'll be closing their doors. So we just need to have a mindful discussion about that. I think.

[25:14] I don't. I, personally don't currently have an opposition to giving them the rest of their brand money because they are completing their programming, and they will have some wind up costs and the like. So I'm not really I don't have an incentive to withhold money from them than they can fully in support of of funding them so that they can close out in the right way and continue to to do their programming.

[26:01] Yeah, II tend to agree. I think it's important that we support our our organizations, not just when they're driving, but also, when things go bad and we're here for them to help them through this bad time and and help them finish up in a in a nice way as nice away as they could. Yeah, I wouldn't look at it as bad. I'd look at it as celebrating the art that they were able to create commission over the years that they were here. Yeah, thank you. Yeah. absolutely. All right. I forgot the other thing. I noticed in that Boulder Valley report. I have looked at the salaries. and they've brought in a new school connector last fall, and I had looked at the listing, the position, and the salary was $40,000. I noticed that it's 64 now. and so I thought that was kind of a big jump. because they're also

[27:02] in the interim school director assistant has been hired so that they I just wouldn't want to shed light. That salary went from 40 to 64 plus assistant. is there? Is there a concern there? Or, yeah, I think for me there's a concern, but I just I want to say it, and hopefully, maybe they'll hear it. And so, especially since with the last community, grant how the funds were not used appropriately there, and I see it in here that, giving them an opportunity that clean things up a little bit. Oh. alright are we ready for motion on those 3? The next couple of weeks.

[28:06] I move that we approve the following reports, for the 2022, 2024 general operating grants for Boulder ballet, using him a boulder and pro Musica, Colorado Chamber Orchestra. I said. all in favor. unanimous. Well done! Alright, alright! So. I'd like now to open the floor for any general comments on, or specific comments on people's reports. What you saw happening out there? I I'll just start with kind of some themes that I saw. I was excited to see that people are recovering with their audience sizes their month monthly general operating support, or seems to be con for most organizations going, continuing to get healthy. There was a lot of capacity building and new hiring and organizations that were raising their wages. And

[29:12] on the downside I'll note that I saw a couple of organizations that even while they were raising their wages for having people need for better opportunities. So that was kind of my general take. But it was some incredible work like that. Yes. I just thought I appreciate. It seems like everyone's using the same software. So it was really easy to read, because I'm reading the same format. But you know, instead of like. I don't know seeing some other budget reports that we're using something different. And it was really choppy, like screenshotting. And so I just appreciate that as well.

[30:20] the written description and the numbers. And then I was thinking about my God, like everybody did it exactly the same. but I feel it was a lot of documentation, so like. I think. Thank you for doing. Oh, my pleasure! Totally. Well, it's I. There was a lot of reading, but it took me extra long time, because this is my, this is like my first round, and so I would read about these projects, and then I'd be like, so cool. And so then I have to go to their website. And then I could have a co-wrap of all their website and be like today. Which made it very likey process. But it did make me just reflect on what

[31:10] a cool city we live in, and how many amazing things for so many. And there's things that I'm more into than others, because that's people and just the breadth of what is being offered. I was really excited to see, even though I really echo you when I was reading through those I think my take away was, Yeah, I really wish I'd had a chance to see that some of the individual programming. But I'm particularly proud of our arts organizations, large and small, as well as individual artists, for what they are producing as far as content as far as engagement, and particularly when I see them working on collaborative efforts.

[32:00] and also the work towards Dei. That came through. Yeah, Lauren. There's a very sweet note in the chat from Cynthia, from music. Colorado. Oh, right. So it was in a question, and she just wanted to say so, grateful for support of the years. And now we hope to do all hope to do you all proud in our finale. Thank you. Who is this? From Musica? Okay. Alright. Yeah. II think I mentioned to Lauren. I'm I'm sad that Marie is not with us, because she always like detailed like feedback and praise for everybody. And I just I also have a lot of notes throughout here on the Dai efforts and attracting

[33:03] first artist based composers and the lights cool. did you? Square way questions? Well, no, I was, gonna bring that up. I don't think it has any. You know anything to do with anything, but I'm gonna bring it up. There were I have a list of organizations where they're stated, and they're listed like income and revenue didn't match. It was in the Green Graph and I don't know what causes that to happen. But boulder views, boulder, moller, fest boulder, music, festival, Gary, art center, Junker Social Club. Use them. A boulder product, duty, arts, boulder. All of those did not match up, and I don't. I don't know what that is. but it's just something I noticed. Sure.

[34:01] A couple of reasons. I think sometimes they're not, might not align with what they're looking at, even though they should be doing a fiscal year. So it might be like, yeah. And if you are concerned about any of those, we can absolutely go and ask them for some feedback or some input on it, right? If they should match their actuals and their experiences. I also think there's an in kind section, or maybe they're counting capital projects, or I mean it would be individual for every organization, anything that you are concerned about, though I'm happy to follow up. Curious, not concern. Curious, not concern. Yeah. well, so since you've already voted. Yeah, and ask them to send us an updated

[35:04] the financial overview document. And if there's anything that they want to explain, and I can just attach it in our next pack it like we will bring it up unless you. unless something else. Great. Great. Thank you for listening. Yeah, of course. keeping in mind. Some of those are actually gonna be in buildings where they they don't own the building, but they own the improvements. So there's different variations of how that shows up in assets and such definitely. And then what size of organization is older corral? I didn't see they're small. Okay, thank you. Yeah. The screen is getting. I wanted to pull out also a comment in the sparks, application or report where they noted that they had a student like, Who is it going? Maybe going into their junior year of high school, who started a nonprofit based on their experience with the spark and and earning, you know, and getting some scholarship money together for other students there.

[36:05] and I just wanted to pull that out and acknowledge it. And if that student ever hears this like, congratulate them. I'm being so proactive and like welcome to Arts administration. The Arts Commission is here for you. Please do. Yeah. absolutely cool. alright? Well well done everybody. Welcome to reading reports season, and let's move on to our next agenda. Item. But, I wanted to see what you thought. This was your first go around any any? Do you guys have any comments, questions, anything that your fellow commissioners could do differently to help you, or I don't know. I just wanna

[37:08] it's always interesting after the first go round. Cheryl, you wanna go first. I don't know if you go first. I so appreciate the insight and instructions and highlighting of our incredible staff at the city and the way everything is packaged for us. It's it's really very seamless. It's easy to find everything that we need in one place and and then just kind of have these really smart discussions as to really celebrate what what we're able to support within the communities. Second it. I mean. Warn me not to go, Googling, every single

[38:02] I actually, I might have a better answer to that. Okay, at the next meeting, after the first round of grants. after I try that out. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, and feel free that you know. I think I speak, for everybody feel free to call on any of us if we can help walk you through something. If you're not sure Lauren's awesome. But sometimes you have a question like, maybe a fellow Commissioner might be a better question, feel free to contact us. Yeah, I have a very specific technique. I mean. so that I don't go down route because they all are really interesting, especially when it hits your interest in a way to stay in line with for me. because so many of, especially now

[39:00] in my third year, I've been to a lot of these events and stuff, and so just keep my voting. and hopefully. because equitable as possible, I had to release the group. And I did, you know, accidentally. first 3, to make sure I can give me. I'm shocked that Georgia said that she can do them all in one sitting, because I cannot, until if I split mine up. II definitely make sure to be looking at the responses to the same questions across all applications and maybe get a third the the way through them all. So I'm in the same mood when I'm judging their, you know. But you know, whatever the questions are, and then, if I'm in a good mood one day and answering those and looking at those questions in the bad mood in the next day everybody is getting the same down vote.

[40:20] but even that does anybody else do that every morning? I do. I'm at one time II said, enough of these type of of of of discussions and and grant programs where I do them all once, but then I do them twice. So I do them once walk away from it and then come back and go. Okay. Sometimes they'll do them in the opposite order. so that there's

[41:15] Wednesday. Let me know if you have any questions concerns. Georgia has also helped me find they changed a couple of things in our Grant software. so if you see anything strange or yeah, what not? Reality, I like it cool. All right. Everybody ready to move to the next.

[42:01] Okay. So we did get the green light to do a letter to counsel and we didn't do one last year, but at least the previous 2 years. This was an opportunity for us to give a one page overview of our successes, and then also what our priorities for the next year would be in 2020, one in 22. Our our plea was making a case for why they need to give us more money. Well, we have 2 a now, so we are backing off of that flee. And so I completed a draft hopefully. You've had a chance to read through that once. And we did ask her doing a video, Bruce. And they said, No, we can't do a video about that but

[43:01] the the First level in core. That we need to do is decide we have 2 to 3 priorities that will really fit in here. We had at a previous meeting listed 7 priorities, I think, was, and we need to, as a commission decide which of those we are going to focus on in this meeting, and somewhere I have those written, or maybe Lauren has them right there. Look at Lauren. Amazing! So those are the 7 that we had, as a general proposition decided, were our priorities. Now we need to prioritize them even further. What are our top? 2 or 3. So I'm open to suggestions on how to whittle this down. If you guys wanna just kinda open it for discussion if you wanna pitch for your favorite if you wanna take a straw poll right now and see if we're all on the same page.

[44:01] I'm open to suggestions. Yeah, I'd say, we just go around. Each person named their top 3. We each go from 3 up to I saw 3.5 as being interleaved. Because I don't yeah like it. It has to do with affordability of our city. you know, salary support, so that people live here, spaces available and housing affordability swap. I just want to throw that out there because I'm not narrowing down. So yeah, I would. I would argue the opposite. I don't have to be right about it from my perspective on it on it is that those 3 hit different areas of city governance, different

[45:11] sections of the budget, different staffing different ways to address the issue. And I think those are all very high priorities in my mind for artists, and I would hate to lose pointedness of them by clocking them altogether. I probably lean towards carefully. Just better. We're a group we can. Yeah. So I mean in among. Since I've already pulled those out, I would say for me, the top priorities would be space housing

[46:04] and we'll do numbers, so it's easier. Oh, 1, 3, and 5, I would say. But I'm not married to those yet. I'd like to hear what other people pitch. I am 3 and 5 are just. We hear it all the time, and reports one about the community and number one, I think, is a way to keep us top of mind. the Council. if we make a plea that incorporate artists into all your discussions. maybe that's a little diffuse. I'm gonna say 3 hi. the second and what I'll say is that I feel like we have a little bit of control over salary support because of the grants.

[47:09] There's lots of grants to apply for this. So and then housing is one thing. Yeah. So minor 3, 5 and 6. I am 1, 3, and 6, Bruce, I interrupted. Did you want to speak to anything? Allows the time to freeze?

[50:31] Yay. you're muted right now, Lauren. There you go! Oh, there you go! Oh. say something.

[51:29] I don't know if you can hear me. Can you hear me? Okay? Well, I can't hear you. Bruce. Can you ask any of the other attendees if they can hear you

[52:00] cool? There you go. Bruce. II have no comments worth mentioning. Everyone brings up the housing affordability. Nobody's been able to solve it yet. Part of the Gos stuff, I mean. That's the thing. I mean, when you look at things like Shakespeare Festival, Colorado, Music Festival is massive organizations that bring in thousands of people and have large operating budgets. That's that's the age old question, especially when they're working on

[53:09] on programming. That is seasonal and trying to. You know, house people for 3 or 4 months while they're here in boulder, but not necessarily living here, creating art for these large organizations there. 3, 5, 6, and no real knows. I also think we can't do 6 without 5. Hmm. so yeah. I feel you don't feel like people are aware. I think I think people are aware. I think it's a matter of action, ability, awareness to me is not the end will be all but actually implementing again. Like, you know, Boulder isn't a very diverse city, and I think that's a part of because of the house affordability reasons. And it's all kind of intertwined. But

[54:08] but yeah, I think it's something. I think it's something we could. There's still a lot of work. 4. And what I just realized I'm on 2D, so maybe that's why I feel like that's and a round person. Umhm. My first inclination is always the educate of the arts educator. But I also think that that's really more of the city thing in some ways. So I'm gonna say, 1, 3, and 5. I felt the same way when I was looking at that. That's more of a Bbsd, but okay, well, I think we eliminated some. And and housing and artist space seem to be.

[55:02] You're 4 runners, and we're kind of split on the integration. And, Dei, so I can move my 7 to 6. Hmm! I I would not be II it is a very close call for me between the Dei and the integration. so I would not. You know I'm not gonna fight to the death to for integration. But that's that was more. I'm not to to really having art as part of a systemic approach to all these questions. and maybe we can add a you know flavor sentence rather than a paragraph, you know. I don't know you. You also thought that was important, Jeffrey. What would you say?

[56:01] Both one and 6 were choices of mine and of of, you know, those were 2 of my 3 6, because it's it's part of of our mission vision values as what we're doing as Commissioners. It's part of the a push for the city. They feel very important for it on on that side. So I just kinda keep it top of mind and then, as far as integrating art into city work. it's it's the one thing here that's gonna outlive, all of us. and there's a lot of building, and the city looks very different than one. I even showed up 15 years ago, and and when I see the things that integrated art, or had an aesthetic value into them as they were being developed. Those are the things I still see and recognize and and appreciate. I get that. And When I was talking to Lauren about integrating art, it was in my mind not only what you're talking about Jeffrey, where art is.

[57:07] Everywhere you look around in the city, but also decisions that the city is making within the silos of inquiry, that they're pulling artists into that, also into that process also. and that's the only way I was thinking about that statement. I wasn't thinking about the physical manifestations. I was thinking, literally integrating it into decision making. And are we looking at it? The way an artist would look at, you know, whatever did it? However, it manifests itself. But II do like that one. So I guess there's there's a question, is it? Would would you want to have 4 things in there rather than 3 is 3 Sutton stone.

[58:08] One is really cool, and, you know, be the perfect fit for that is getting somebody over at Google. You know how they can devote a certain percentage of their hours to like a a community project. That would be an amazing collaboration might be a great town and gown collaboration there, too, an opportunity for see you in the in the the art school there. Yeah, I would probably venture to say, Google would be easier to work with and find somebody. So it may be 1. One way to think about it is that it's still a priority for us, and maybe it's not. And maybe it's something that we can impact out of sight outside asking City Council.

[59:00] But as yeah, well, that would. Isn't Dei part of City Council's priorities already they had. It's obviously important. It yeah, it is. They listed in my letter. I listed what they pulled out as their annual priorities when they approved the budget. I don't remember which paragraph, okay, so for 2024, the Commission recognizes success. It's not specifically listed. Okay. yeah, it's true, sure. And I think it's important that it yeah, you don't know what. I'm also in a couple of me, like some of them. I think it's I can see

[60:02] again, I guess, interest to finish my thought from before. If we do limit it to these top 3 and integrating our city where it doesn't make this cut. III would encourage my fellow commissioners to somehow figure out a way to discuss that further, whether it's at a retreat or whatever, but to keep that concept alive because it it has a lot of far reaching implications. Yeah, for a town like Boulder. This would be a a good fit. I think that the best way we can amplify that is the fact that I percentage of our Grant money is already allocated towards public art projects. And maybe there's a way to highlight those and encourage city Development planning commission folks to take notice of these 2, allow them to be accessible and and and spread throughout all the communities within the city.

[61:11] And I think, you know, who has time for this great idea, Caroline. But another way that we can impact that is going to other commissions. Open public comment, period, and city council. Of course, you mean, we get to go and be the crazy artist people. Yes. well, I can commit to making sure that we continue to include an inquiry into that. how we can pull this out onto our agendas and to into our regular discussions and not lose it as one of our individual priorities. If if we don't have a lot of people moving the numbers around to Pull it into the top 3

[62:03] and one kind of last call on on on the city works. Items. it would get noticed, I think, more than something like a De. And I, if we're putting something to Council, of course, like, Well, yeah, of course, you're the Arts commission. And that's what we're all doing. We're all working to encourage. Diversity, equity, inclusion in all the commissions across everything that we're doing within the city. And does it sound like we're just checking the box by saying, yes, we're gonna take care of D. You know I wouldn't. They know we are. And we're going to, anyway. This is something that is kind of outside of our usual scope. Yeah. one thing we can also do is look at the direction I took in the sub paragraphs for these top 4 items and see if that sort of teases any other ideas out. So let's let's keep it at these top 4. Go through this letter and see if that helps us.

[63:04] And I also just like to say, the second paragraph. I think that. I think we'd all agree that the people reading this document have, like a billion pages to read every week. So I think bullet points might express those those things a little bit better. a little bit easier to read. Cause those are important things. Yeah, we. So that's just kind of a formatting thing where we can bullet point out our I love it. that's great. So any other comments on the top half of the letter before we get to the individual paragraphs. II like our way of being able to basically take it down half and then discuss further.

[64:03] Great I had one note. just want to remind myself of what it was. Okay, it's part of pull down. So alright. So obviously, these are, we're without input from you guys and just places to start paragraph one for Number one, integration of artists into city work. I reference the artists for America impact Page, which has this really beautiful wheel of all the ways that the arts impact different different areas of city living and city governance and a call to integrate artists into their processes. I didn't really touch as deeply on the point that Jeffrey was making. So if you have a suggestion for how to pull that in.

[65:02] we could do that. yeah. Maybe one way that paragraph might read better and more relevant to counselor when they do read. It is if we could provide an example. you know, like, Detroit tried doing this specific minor right? can be like copy edited, basically

[66:10] just word smithing with 6 people agreed. Because, Dei, we do have more power in who we give grants to, based on their application, based on their efforts. So if we want the 3, we think we have ultimately less power over than integration of arts into falseity. Work is something we don't have as much to say on the first one integration of artists, and we have less of a say on for ourselves, less power that we have over.

[67:02] So I think that's related to the point. Yeah, I think that's when I you know, when I was grappling between the 2. That's kind of what was the deciding factor. Well, and housing portability control, right? They can't say the people. Okay, you have to make whatever subject to the housing that you are portable to the screen. They they can only do it for their own buildings that they owned right? What do they actually do? That's not one of that's not one of the 4 up for discussion, is it? Yeah, yeah, it is 5. It's number 5, yeah. Housing affordability for us, right? But is it on the top 4? I was just gonna say, like an opinion on them. II never have opinions, so in in a sense, the city does have

[68:08] rules about how much affordable housing gets built by private developers. When a new development comes online and certain percentage that either has to be permanently affordable or has to be, they have to pay into affordable housing elsewhere. So in a sense, it's actually true that they there is a rule about that. What the nuances is that it it? It can't be specifically designed for specific group of people. Right? Right? so I mean that's you know knowing that we can't talk about that because they can't do anything about any right. I mean interesting housing. Affordability in general is going to be beneficial to artists, though as well it's beneficial. But the city can't do. They could do something about the house, and I guess we're underscoring the importance of figuring out affordable housing

[69:05] in general for yeah. I mean, if we put that in to me it sounds like, but I mean, I think you've talked to any critic, or what have you? And if we, you know, if we look at the the city Council's expressed priorities. They do pull out a lack of affordable housing as one of their priorities. Already, like Deis, and on the list arts around the city is not on the list. What's our other one artist space is not on a list. I think that's really important. But can the city really be about the space? I mean? I just I don't know how long these things work, but I just have the thought that when they're creating spaces, for, you know, like the

[70:05] whatever they're calling the North when they're making new city spaces. New library of it rec centers whatever should all involve artists to think about how they could use community space. But how could a space? If you're setting up a space in a rec center, how could it be used by artists. Part of the population. I mean, another good example could be when Bemoka moves and this space is vacant. do they maybe think, oh, you know the Arts Commission had mentioned. Maybe there's artists that need studio space, and that's a different bullet than housing.

[71:03] I just think it's our job as Commissioner is to represent artists and arts organizations at the end of the day. That's what we're supposed to be doing here, and nobody else is really championing, championing them. So I feel like we need to be the ones that advocate for things like 3 and 5 especially. Yes, agree. Yes, okay. So I'm not hearing a lot about word smithing on these 4 paragraphs, and that we're just kind of in this holding pattern on. What are the 3 that we're gonna can we just add in the Bruce is such a mensch. Jeffrey? Do you have any feedback or comments on the ability for city council to actually make any cause. If you were alluding to that, that

[72:08] how, whether or not they're gonna be able to solve the problem of housing affordability. just if if we're agreeing that it's within the top 3. I'm I'm totally fine with it. It's it's good that it's continually top of mind. they can do more about it than we can. So I think that is important for us to to convey. This is probably. as far as artists affordable housing. I don't know. I don't know how. I'm just gonna say it might sound really stupid people. but I had a thought like, what if there was a a statement in place of like. you know, there's a lot of people in my neighborhood that we're stuck in our houses. I live in house, that's way too big. But I bought it 10 years ago.

[73:04] So I need to downsize. But if I downsize, I'm gonna be paying just a second more. So what if they made some kind of incentive of like if you house an artist right? But that's not gonna be specific to to to artists. When I think of of housing and artists, and you have a large space, and you're offering that up. I think of folks like conference of world affairs. I think community Colorado Music Festival. That's what folks on that board and folks who have the ability to do that. That's what they all do for each of those organizations. They have someone living with them during the rehearsal and the summer seasons. So so that is that is happening. Maybe there's a way to to champion that. And to say, this works.

[74:04] That's what these organizations are having to do, and maybe kind of do more of a a vetting process and citywide program to encourage that. I'm familiar with. Some organizations, some arts, organizations, organizations calling that billeting. Is that your experience of what they're calling it for those billeting. Okay, yeah, great. So maybe we add a sentence in here about you know. we could include Number 5 and add a sentence about looking at billing opportunities, building opportunities, and and maybe even given examples of of situations that have worked in the past, such as Colorado, Music Festival, and Conference on world affairs. And did those people do that just because they are doing it? Or is there like some sort of a tax refund or something? No, there's no, there's no tax refund. They're they're doing it. Because

[75:03] if if we're going to have artists coming in here for periods of time like a month or 2. We can't put them up in hotels. There aren't short term rentals that are affordable or that are sometimes close to the venues. I think of Shakespeare festival. These folks are coming in from out of state, them. They probably not kind of access to a car, so they need to be able to get to rehearsal spaces in the theaters. But I'm just saying you. could it be a larger scale? You're talking about the people artists that come in and leave, but I was. have in mind artists that live here that can't afford to, or for more permanent affordable housing, that there would be some kind of incentive for a homeowner to rent out a space in their home and an affordable rate with me, with the property tax

[76:00] or something to someone who's specific working in the arts. Yes. okay. I mean, IIII like the idea. I definitely like the concept. I just wonder how it's interesting cause you could apply it to teachers. we could apply to policemen. No, no, exactly, exactly. I'm just. I'm trying to see how how Council would look at that. I like the idea. I'm just trying to figure out how how they would see it. It might give them ideas. Yeah, let's do that for teachers and policemen. it's almost like we need to make it happen for artists was now what she uses basically doing with the cinnabar up and up in Lewisville when they're at work for faculty and staff or the university here. They they bought the theater in Louisville. the University. Alright, since we're putting energy into number 5 that we're okay.

[77:23] including that dropping number one and including artist space housing and Dei as our top through priorities, we have consensus on that. Anyone to vote. Yeah, let's work. Well. if we have not in consensus, let's work on whether there's anything that we want to work with further in those paragraphs we can maybe play around with how we could include a consideration of, you know, as an example billing in the housing paragraph.

[78:04] Lauren, do you wanna pull up the language kind of loved it. We have 3, 5, and 6. That's right. so give you a chance to read those through. I think there's such a I think that last sentence is key cause there's such a such a mix up in the commercial real estate market right now with rates and people not coming into offices and and having first for the first time in boulder, empty office space. It's there, and you look at folks like Ww. Reynolds with some of the other developers or folks that are are large renters.

[79:06] and being able to like come up with some an idea to just have like a space. It's always there. And and it's it's available, you know, on a on a calendar type thing. And it's a write off for them. I mean, there's an opportunity where, if we bring this up, it might spark some conversations like that the in number 3. The last sentence, should it be healthy instead of help it should. This is an easy part of the great should we underline that to underscore it? Are you suggesting anything like that? Jeffrey would think that's an important. I don't. I don't think we have to hot, because if we highlight that, then we're highlighting other things. I think it just makes it money. I just think it's important to have in there. I was applauding, and it's there, and I like that it's right at the end. We're just kinda like, hmm!

[80:04] Here's an idea. Here's a goal little light bulb that could go off here in in this city structure. The term of art is economic vitality. economic vitality. That's the kind of hopeful. I had pulled a quote from one of the reports. If we felt like we had room for somebody who was talking about, you know, artists space. I don't necessarily think we have room for it, but if we feel like we need some flavor text in there. I I've got an example for artists space and housing.

[81:02] just it was quote from somebody's report about peep musicians leaving due to cost of living. yeah. And then the and if we're including Di, it also references that there's no willingness like Colorado orchestras to audition women conductors, and it's hard to keep musical leadership, or Lgbtq. Or so you said they wanted something actual. Does that mean they want us to tell them what to do. II got the sense that that means like something that they will be able to implement. And you know, look into. II don't think they're looking to have us tell them what to do. I did that. But okay, number 2 on the housing. I see you added, is that your screwed in there, though it's not California?

[82:10] I had written Going off of George's idea. How could we phrase this like. One example that we see in the arts community is that organizations appreciate Or organizations utilize billing opportunities period list. These organizations are all examples of the power of. thank you guys. examples of like the opportunity for city council to create incentives

[83:02] with this type of arrangement. Something like that. This is on the building. I wouldn't, just I. That's the first time I've ever heard that word. So and I'm not the brightest. But I'm not the dimmest amending. I was reading something that said said something. and I didn't know it was. and it used it over and over again. I'm like I'm not going to look that up. Yeah. So what if we said not even temporary accommodation, because it's not like hotels, or it's utilize commute hosted community home space to provide housing for

[84:00] visiting artists. Period visiting artists. the the arts community would benefit. Yes. community members will provide it incentives community loss of that? Yeah. Artists in the community would benefit. Oh, yeah, it's not in yeah, community, not the incentives. I mean, even the people who are hosting would benefit. Yeah, I'm engaging with George's point. what? We're hoping, Jack. Hold on one sec so lauren take up the it says in that last or the second lesson. Right now. It says the arts community. But I think we want to take out the word arts. If there were incentives associated with this

[85:02] type of offering. Thanks, Jeffrey. Sorry. Going back to George's Point. These are great examples of organizations that are working with visiting artists around here temporarily. But a a a goal to house. and or at least encourage or give the ability for folks, including artists. To stay full full time, and and to live here would be would be the the primary incentivizer, or something that we would try to convey. Do you have, can you offer us up a sentence to add in here that encapsulate your feelings on that. You're adorable, darling. I'm I'm consistently needing, paraphrased. I like the start of of this particular aspect of it. III think maybe there's a

[86:05] maybe maybe if we look at it the way going back to Matt's a a reminder of vitality. We remind City Council that the arts, when supported by community funding as a Number one return on investment with within government funding. So, having having the ability for more artists to afford to live here, or have the option to live here as well as work here would you know. be a would would help the I don't know someone help me here with the word phrasing on that as far as being able to add to the economy. Yeah.

[87:00] Okay, where were you starting to say, make it go? I don't. I don't know what this neighborhood increase property values and help to create cultural and tourism hubs. What does that mean? It means that cultural and tourism hubs draw draw traffic to businesses and increase property values. And this report that I have a link to shows that that impact is increased in areas where there are arts. art studios, and arts organizations in the neighborhood. It feels like that, since needs to go in the make artists space available and affordable and not affordable housing for artists. Maybe it needs to be inclusion of artists within neighborhoods

[88:01] next. Oh, well, yeah, and maybe it's yeah. I could see it either way. I already have a link in the in the prior one, though, and I think that if you follow that link, let's see, can you click on that link just real quickly, Lauren cause I think, that has more specifically tied into housing. And then we'll go back and works with Jeffrey's. Yeah, this link is all about arts housing. So I probably pull just soundbite from there somewhere. The more how about so? More art, the more desirable a neighborhood is to like live will just replace that friend. So you're saying, having artists. organizations in the neighborhood impacts housing. Yeah. that doesn't values. And that's not to do with affordable housing artists. I think it goes in.

[89:02] He can understand something. This link needs to go. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Replace that sentence like, if we pray, if we replace that sentence with what is there the more desirable a neighborhood is to live? Which is true. But what does that have to do? Housing the more augmented artists. Can we go back to the link then, and see if we can pull out something else? That's more it it it has to do with ha! Affordable housing, because if you don't have affordable housing and the artists leave your community, you don't have artists need to be here when

[90:07] to my vision. We're talking about affordable housing for harvest. It doesn't like this piece is, why should city council care at all about this conversation as everybody starts. Why do they need to think about artists in affordable housing? Caroline the Co. The the verbiage here is actually worded exactly what you're trying to say? But instead, we're putting artists rather than cultural organization having a cult cultural organization in a community has been shown to increase nearby residential property values web. So there it is. Yeah. And I mean, I guess that goes to Georgia's point, though, again, because it's cultural organization and not the housing. She's she's looking for something that's a little bit more.

[91:01] Neighborhoods where artists cluster often become cultural folks still is not talking about appointment housing we're talking about. Why, it's important to have artists in the community. That's not for the thank you for Twitter. Yeah. I don't know how that I understand that this is an important point, but to me it's different. Then what? Unless? any ideas on how to

[92:09] make it better? I'm reading. Yeah. Okay. Lauren, can we lower case the one organization on the third line of that so that last sentence affordability for artists to live and work here and add to the economy. And then that's where that link should go. that that link supports that sentence. I can buy that. Leave it to Georgia. Can you move the period after economy to after that close press.

[93:10] you will have this copy. Excellent! Alright! Do we feel good about this? And I feel like that should be the first sentence portability for artists working folder would add to the economy link per sentence. how about also believe in that? Jeffrey gave us that we reminds the accounts. The ported are the number one return on investment, both talking about yeah, before or after before. and maybe just take out. We remind the city Council just the arts when supported. Yeah. that that reads better. Cool.

[94:01] I feel like as with venue and studio space, the cost of housing the city has price. Many. No, that goes. Okay. so okay, inclusion of artists and art spaces within neighborhoods increase property values and help to create cultural tourism hubs. But aren't they going to get that information in that link. Well, we're pulling that information out to them in case they don't click the one. Okay? And then, just a type of arts organizations. I think. Get rid of that first and before center. right? Yeah, just a comma center for musical arts. And the call. yeah.

[95:05] like the last that the last word of the paragraph says this type of offering. And for this type of offering for longer term. rely on what I'm gonna yeah. yeah. that's it. Hmm. Yup. everybody feel good about this. Be good to even just like personalize it even more. Okay? Because I can speak for my neighborhood. I know that it is an issue in my neighborhood in Fraser Meadows that we pop these big houses that were dropped in, and just to kind of make it more like

[96:04] 50. But I mean, kiss would be actually be able to put that in there without like the consent. Yeah. Okay? Because, oh, or I noticed they are doing. You know, they've done all this work on the question of multiple family homes and that impact sort of impacts. People who have space in their homes and rent them all out, or share the spaces. And how many people can live together like? For if you want to build an accessory rolling unit in your yard. You need to commit to. If you're going to rent it, you have to say you're gonna rent it below market value. because they don't want everybody. So so. But

[97:02] if we can say something without giving a whole story, because we have limited space is we could say something like we also encourage city council would consider ways in which. ex, you know, excess, space, and single family residences can be utilized to. I don't know. I don't know how they can impact that but that's what I hear you saying well. and probably wouldn't be careful about recommending that you let a stranger would do okay? Well. But so I did this for an Arts organization. I had an artist with me for a month, and I did that twice. but it was cool because it came to the organization. So this person didn't want to lose their job or be cut out of that art community cause. If they did something, then I would be like, Hey, this person

[98:07] did XYZ. And that person would go home, and then their reputation. So that was kind of like a nice thing. But I don't know and maybe it's not recommending that you have a stranger with in your home. It's just like creating this incentive that if you, you know, open your home to to an artist and affordable rate on a temporary or permanent basis. You get this yeah, infected. I think, is that captured in our final sentence. utilize hosted community home spaces to provide. Sure.

[99:00] I mean. that's probably kind of like, sure, not, really. No, it's yeah. It's fine. Okay. we famously call this in our household death by committee. If we change in that last sentence, Lauren, where it says, this type of offering change it to this type of artist housing. There we go. What was that about Mensch? Just about the same housing. What about? How about this type? Offer affordable

[100:12] Yup? And I wonder if you can just say, instead of artists, organizations such as good teachers save many artists. Many arts organizations use utilize hosted community home spaces. I like having this specific example alright, we're going to run out of time. So if we feel reasonably good about this. Are we ready to move on to number 3? Yes. Okay, great. Behold my words. Can we finesse the spelling of my first name everyone, everyone goofs it up. It's okay. Oh, I am so sorry. It's okay, everyone does it.

[101:06] Jeff. Oh, I am so sorry. I love that everyone that gets my surname correct. But they screw they they they misspell. I've never actually met a Jeffrey, but it does get misspelled that way a lot. And, Caroline, you'll appreciate this. My mother was a Carolyn. Yeah, I guess she was never a Caroline. Yeah, I have to correct that option, for sure.

[102:00] Goodness me. This is your love language. So of course you would. Did you have suggestion about committees? Or did that just highlight editing purposes? Love it? Yeah. this might be a neat thing. I don't love tolerance. I like acceptance and inclusion better. Tolerance means like you're putting up with something perfect. It's about inclusion. So maybe acceptance, sure for understanding. I like acceptance cause. We can understand people that have accept them

[103:04] movements and tolerant brother. And this is being recorded alright. I'm not hearing a lot of feedback. Are we done? It's perfect. Feel good. Yes. feel good about it. Interesting. That someone will say, is, everyone good like this is nothing, nothing. Yet my favorite leadership technique is no, it is not. No, no, no, erase the race.

[104:10] Yeah, I feel good about it. I'm ready to vote. Anybody like to make a motion. I move that we approve the letter to City Council, allowing for minor revisions and copy editing by staff. Wait, we had to do. We have to make a motion first. You just said. that's the motion. I just made the motion. Great sorry, guys.

[105:03] questions about the manager's memo. I had to. I had 2 questions. on the on the minutes. Oh, my question was, we have the new commissioners being voted in by city council. On what date was it? They're decided on the port. March fourteenth questioner, were the interviews recorded, and can we go check them out and learn. It is appropriate for us to reach out, to council, either individually or as a group to to make individual recommendations.

[106:04] I think individually, is that right? Yeah, no, individually, we can, we? It's kosher to do that. If you do reach out, make sure you say you're speaking as an individual about good because we had the retreat. Bye I could have been confused and missed it, but if somebody on staff could just double check our minutes and make sure we approved both sets of minutes. Sure

[107:03] cause I seem to have only been able to find one group set. But I'm also not. That's okay. So may may I check on that later? Yeah, absolutely. thank you. Excellent. Anything else from other? Not on the minimum. But that's perfect. Yeah. Yeah. So the position for so you know, we have to have a Commissioner on that. And I stepped up to do that, and I'm going to step down. so one of the things I really like about being on arch commissions, I feel like work together for each other, following to each other, you know, respect each other and I did not get back there at all, and so.

[108:11] as a woman who has more days behind me than ahead of me. I want to go where I'm celebrated, and so donation. And then and okay, you have to commit to 6 openings and events for the year. So after speaking with staff I've discovered that, you know we don't have to pay the $1,500 but you do need to commit to the 6 events per year, and I asked if they have any support for that.

[109:12] you know, discounts or tickets, and the answer is no. So even for the liaison, you had to pay full price, full price for 6 different amounts on top of giving your time, education, experience, knowledge at no cost. and that's 4 times a year, plus any other slide committees that you it volunteered to be on the world. Has this not ever come up before. and then in this specific position, however, I don't believe it has in the past, and finding over who are the zones were, but I do think that we can take like we were happy to advise and connect to their legal team. Who's recommending that she signed these like documents, connect them with her

[110:04] legal team to figure out what kind of negotiating wouldn't you agree? It feels a little egregious. We also have a ticket fund, so I think we could take advantage of that if there's not a way to get out of it. But there are as a somebody who's appointed to that position. It's certainly something that I'd become asking them to wait. I perform there a number of times specifically as fundraisers for the dairy as well as fundraisers for Bcap and other organizations for whom I was doing one person shows, and in all the theaters we always there was always 2 or 3 burn seats I'm like. But this is a really good seat. and they were specifically always held for Arts Commission and Board members, and and I don't know if that's changed, but that's that's been my experience, and I perform there very often and even recently.

[111:00] There's there's like, I said, there's always 3 really good seats, and I'm like, but they're gonna be right in front. People gonna like walk through. But you know they were there. They're rarely used. But they were there. Yeah, they're still there, because when I did my show there they were there. But I mean, I have it in an email of me asking if there was any support for that, like as Commissioner. and they said, No, could it be that they want? Does it have to be the same commission like, I understand, like one Commissioner, is the Board Liaon. But then, could there'd be commitment that an Arts Commissioner will attend 6 events a year using our ticket, but it's also now we know why they hold those seats. This people are paying 1,500 bucks, and happy, too.

[112:10] Work it out behind the scenes with them ever decides to take on the dairy position. I mean, it's one thing to be be a Commissioner there, and like figure it out like, try and figure out how I'm gonna get to these events. Because as a Commissioner, I feel like it's also my duty to go to other events, and I enjoy it. It's great. But I just felt like from the organization itself. to be treating someone in that manner. Yeah, yeah, just my dad was the New York City Government representative on the board of the Puzzle Theater. and he didn't have to do good get. And he got tickets. I mean, I kind of wish Maria was here, so we could ask her when the dealers would be moca if there's any similar experience.

[113:07] Well, that the it was discussed at the last meeting, because I've been going back before with them, and they had nickel speak and say that this is what it is, and that's normal to pay these fees and check that name down real quick. I'm I'm happy to step in lovely space available on the board. Yeah, I'm happy. I mean, I've sat on the board before I already run a program over there with the Classic Film series. I fund it through a sponsorship with my company. So I'm there, you know, 12 times a year. With that. Specifically, I also buy my ticket just because I just feel like, okay, I know 100% of the ticket sales are going to support the dairy R center, which is how the reason we do the underwriting at my company for the licensure rights for those and yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy to step in and

[114:05] and and help out where I where I'm muted, and as well as kind of report back on on any discrepancies, on questions we have. II appreciate your stepping up, Jeffrey, that I just wanted to say to Georgia that I'm sorry you had a bad experience. We pretty strange sounds. Was there anybody else who had a burning desire to put their hat in the ring or the liaison position, or be good to move on to approving Jeffrey. do we need to do a formal vote? And because this is this is one of the city owned entities. It's it's more than just the liaison like like Georgia said. It's really a a board member with with the give and get, and the governance that goes along with that someone like to make motion.

[115:01] I'm in the Jeffrey Cash active Representative Commission. Great. Thank you for stepping up, Jeffrey. I'm sure that that's a nice match with your interests, anyways. Look forward to hearing what you have to share with us about what's going on there on what the concerns were brought up. Yeah. And also, yeah, sorry. But the experience you have.

[116:01] Yeah. The the last meeting was very odd, and they all was on zoom, and everyone thanked everyone. You're so great. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. No one send my name. But I got an email. And privately, an hour later, so I thought that was kind of weird sound. Oh. alright! Anything else on the members the manager's memo. Before we adjourn this meeting. You probably did at the beginning, and I was late, so I apologize, but I just wanted Lisa I use it to get fun for the first time to see exit fate. email tickets or something before go. That. So

[117:16] that is your pleasure. I think they can't give gifts over $50 over $50. I would avoid that. But if they're under, I think, okay, yeah. I would encourage you to support our fellow Commissioner going to see that? Can people sit together and just not talk about Arts Commission stuff? It would not be recommended because people make assumptions about

[118:09] alright and with a gangle bank gavel bang! I'm so sorry. Wasn't that what did we have for dinner tonight?