May 24, 2023 — Boulder Arts Commission Regular Meeting

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[0:04] We'll call the meeting to order on May 20, fourth meeting of the Boulder Parts Commission. welcome, everybody. Before you get started. I'll just do a quick with an acknowledgment. The City of Boulder Arts Commission acknowledges the city of Boulder is on the ancestral homeland, and unse the territory of indigenous people who have traversed lived in and stewarded lands in the Boulder Valley since time and memorial. Those indigenous, indigenous nations include the Arapaho Cheyenne Cairo to you and many others. Our benefit from this land land came at a dire cost to the indigenous people, and we give thanks to them. So welcome everybody First thing is, we'll have the approval of the agenda. Is there emotional? I approve the agenda for the changes number right? Is there a second? Thank you. Any discussion just real quick. That is 6, 8. The additional item perfect

[1:08] any discussion. all those in favor. Thank you. It's unanimous. we'll move on to approval of the April minutes. Is there a motion? Thank you. Is there a second? Thank you. Any discussion. not seeing any. I'll call for the vote. All those in favor are you? We're just flying through before we get into public participation. I just want to say congratulations to Christian, but it's continue serving as well. Absolutely. Yeah. I'll let you do that right. So I'm very pleased to introduce you to Brendan, and I'll ask him to give us exactly 3 sentences.

[2:11] what about backgrounds? What about what he's excited about in this position? And then one interesting fact that we need to know, in order to work effectively. Let's see it all started in the bottom up. interesting fact. This I actually do me through. So I start to get a little hired or hungry, it might not be a good situation, so this isn't great if you provide. that's a plus. I'm really excited to kind of. Take the rings of the public, our program and I need a a year to to like. Learn all the policy and guidelines. But then you know, how can you improve on those policies with analyze? So that's definitely on my, on my mind.

[3:00] and also just to be in my history, I mean. I thank you all for your resume. I was in Denver for almost 9 years in public art for that to be. We're excited for you. So welcome to the team. Okay, let's see, we'll move on to public participation. You don't have anyone signed up. Okay? Yeah. First, you run it to me. we we're gonna have Abra Allen talking about older Arts week and it's her place will be Lauren filling us on. Oh, my. yes, okay, everyone. And they I'm just going to go through. So it was, and more expensive slides show it information or detail information about it. So I

[4:09] run through some like high, level numbers and things. overall. I think it's amazing this year, and I just have to reiterate that in works so hard it does a wonderful job to really, really good over the last couple of years. So this is really entirely for thing, I'm just here to like So I guess I mean, it's so. If you have any questions that come up, let me know. And then at the end, we're just talking about So up in programs from last year, and of a little bit in unique listing. So, as you probably know, the programs are like the exhibition that on the whole time, and unique listings are every day of that exhibition. So what we're up in both. And I think this is something we've seen across the order. It's for coming back to events.

[5:08] the same that we're up in the audience size from last year. And then I just love to show this like down to the Banner impression the soon banner. I'll show you a second, but almost 1.5 million impressions of the student banners down in town. So those are the banners like on Pearl Street, and there's counters and people walk in. Oh, cool. So that's where we're pulling that data from I mentioned student family project. This is probably in a work here we partner with a couple of different schools and students, design banners in relation to theme. It's partnership with downtown older. And then the manners go on Wall Street, and the one on the far left is also uncoverable that we see that out in location this year what it's what ready to enjoy. And they were super super

[6:00] it. It's a wonderful ongoing partnership, and we're very happy to continue this for them. It was 3, but then they also have to crop it down a little bit, because there's not like. So there's like a voting system where we and then they like they all speak to their banner. So they go home with the yeah. It's nice. This is shadow to our sponsorship program which you meant for our office. First sponsorships that's ported music, theatre, dance, open studios, all kinds of materials, 16 grants, and or 16 award. Say, those are just first number serve. And I'm so happy to get doing that program, we see that people really elevate what they're doing or do something new with that just little bit of money.

[7:03] This is new this year. We didn't pull out. We'll be rightly, I think it was super successful, because that free allowed. It's easy for grab things. We know that in boulder intermediate still. So having a friends, item that people can have and that organizations that have. You know, it's great. We are working on doing it again next year. I I mean, I super successful. The problem is getting in all of the events and programs and things. We ended up just having to do the first weekend because of the amount of stuff that we have. So next year, I think now that we know how it function will be able to, and we're going to figure it out better, as far as I know about that. But the first. you know. I think it's both more attended from this and from more of a sense, just more things that I am like people get on sight of like the first weekend, and then everybody does on the first weekend. So yeah.

[8:05] oh, yeah. The first. I'll pay you later for that account for this. So first begin to. This is better. It's the marketing efforts. We're stronger, and I think we're just super excited. It's a they like go out the first day, which I did myself, or I have for a problem. we've heard from presenters, they it doesn't. They didn't like it. You put it in Easter. So it's like we have to balance out conflicting with last year and a year record turnouts first Friday's had 800 people, which is not so for them. At one of the venues. And another thing you opened, and they were like shocked and super happy, but shocked because it was right around the corner and up in in a

[9:15] It was good to have we had help this year with. Then you giving out our economic prosperity surveys. So instead of doing our by everybody in your survey well, there are 2 presented events which is a challenge, right? I have any question about volunteers to. Oh, I did I? Is that great like? Look at those shirts! It was so much fun we didn't have more than previous years. I mean, you know more than from like Pre covid, I should say. Actually, this is about far with queen it.

[10:09] This is the host. Business champions are like free business partners with whatever it's week, and they just do promotion just It's just a free like partnership with them. That's the most we've ever had that we've had 40 and sort of years before. So we're saying about that. That's also from Abraham and Erica that this is something that helps us with business champions. She like that. The end of it last year was like I got it, and she was fine. and for next year expanded marketing like targeted paid social media marketing extending into on that list of which you have no, because you get fairly expensive. But I think it's a way to go in the future, especially just for, like just Instagram or something that we're really up there

[11:00] continuing community corporations like business partners, you guys other like partnerships that we have. and then something that was discussed we didn't get our this year was an arts awards, and then, which I think is a way to put hold of our streets to plan and organize and give up awards and celebrate over artists. So there is to have the work program of the Do you guys have any other thoughts, or feedback, or comments, or ideas that I can see back to? I'll I'll repeat what I told you the other day. If an awards thing happens gets reinstituted, I'd love to see something in the digital realm. You know, there's so many tech companies. There's so many ad agencies. There's a lot of video production companies

[12:06] that. I think ideal. We could get them involved. and any kind of awards in that we do not not the traditional arts? Yeah. totally. And then it's been an audience that we have a time. Right? So we love that like on the our design AI staff. and and I'll just throw up in I helped organize you for a month of photography. So like 7, 8 years ago, I was one of the organizers and everybody. And we had so many events the less same problem that we ended up doing like a piece of news prints. That was maybe this one, and just had all the events from back. And it was kind of cool. It became kind of a collective time. Yeah.

[13:09] that's it. because the there's obviously just like a side and a design moment, because they use their mindset. So yeah, yeah. I I I can tell you about it. Years ago. I'm talking 2025 years ago. There we had a group called the Professional Photographers and Folder County, and we decided to do this one Day and Boulder Project. you know. 25 photographer, professional photographers all out 24 h shooting everything around Boulder and the Boulder weekly did like a 20 page insert section on. Yeah, they didn't charge it. It was like their their content. And it was really cool. Yeah.

[14:01] hmm, so you can talk to them again about you. Yeah, that sounds great. Thank you. That's all. I have any other questions for more. Alright the question for the group, those evaluation is really important to keep it relevant. So we're starting now to design in 2,004 events. So we have ideas. If you hear people, we can give you how I've all righty, let's see, program program business. We'll turn it back to Lawrence. Okay. so

[15:00] okay. is there something that I see it right now it is. But I think it's actually not. Okay. Yeah. I try to make sure Maria wasn't trying to tell us something. so we will start with our Commissioners have the options to for the individual grants we're They will just now part in commissioners we are welcome to, though, because it is a tight line. So even though you have to read them, you can from the to your your colleagues in. These are our top scoring over on average scores. You don't have a T and the

[16:04] you're welcome to discuss these talk about. If there is a good they receive applicants asking me questions mentioned. I do have a person on the next slide, and so before or it shows us the motion language any discussion. Where should we go straight towards the motion. I'm glad to see that. and I get to the new Commissioner. There we do have a day process by which, if there is a tie. We go to the next 4, which is 2 priorities. and those are how much now. But

[17:06] I'm gonna ask a question that I kind of know the answer to that for the new commissioners. I want to to do some whatever that is. So we have a certain amount of money to give away one of those is less than the maximum, so they'll obviously be roughly a thousand dollars left over. What happens to that $1,000? That's great question. this is great. It's like I said, everybody up here in November. We will come back to you because we wait for the entire program to roll through to a mass all of the left over. So last year there were actually 36,000 of leftovers generally, it's a lot less than that, so it could be. You know mine from all of these categories where people haven't asked for the full amount. we'll come back to you in November and ask for recommendations of how to if that in the next year.

[18:11] that's part one. And then we take those recommendations, and we request the funds in an adjustment space so we can't get them automatically. They don't automatically go over. But we request them from the Budget department as an adjustment which is just requesting the these are left of regret funds. This is what we do with them. so, for example, this year we have the 36,000. I think that last year the Commission recommended to go to only purchase for organizations, and then new funds, and so those are pending with that adjustment space with the with the budget department. And just with the basis to start your yeah. And that might make sense. Yeah, it goes at some point. We just go to like cover.

[19:04] Great. There you work. Sure. Thank you. And we're good to watch the in the future. Can we also include the project we well as as being part of the the coming into the process. When it's done, I feel. not compelled to throw a knife into the cycle. because it will start everything back over. And so so I am. I'm to go with the recommendation. From from what? what? The process is proven. Best part. Do you want to show the motion like it on the screen? You can always go back to the slide. How many. I mean that Samuel Thomas Amanda Burke, Wilson. That's a token we want. And on we're really not we. A grants in the community projects individuals. Category.

[20:09] I'll second. Oh, the time. great any discussions. We'll be covering some of this stuff. But I want to open the door if anybody wants to. I have a comment. Oh, never mind. let's see. Right not seeing any discussion call for the vote. All those in favor. Next we have we? Yes. So you see, the 2 correct reports. for one at this meeting, if you will vote on what we're working And for both of these.

[21:11] so the new question is the approval of that. They will then get the final 20 of their grants. So they've been paid 80% when they receive it. And then the 501% approval, their report for Google all. So you can do all the reports through individual reports, through them while submitting specific questions, which means they get that 20, and we would ask some questions, and I would put it in the packet next time. It's part of Google of individual reports attending answers to specific questions. So if you have big concerns and think that you know, we might want to wait in the final 20 to sign until those I have the. I have the emotional language roughly, this up here to remind us that we're talking about it.

[22:06] I'll do the same thing if there's any discussion before we show the motion. Usually I like to have the discussion after the motion. Second, but. generally speaking, if they want to talk about stuff. I have a comment. I guess. Okay, Bruce. I, I think I'm just really impressed on the groups and the artists doing cross-disciplinary projects and artwork. I found that really compelling, and I, as always, I think the graphics in the presentations are are fantastic. I agree. Anything else you want to show that. No. that's interesting. I'll entertain a motion for somebody. I'll move. I move that we approve the Grant report from T. 2 dance company, and to be it.

[23:08] Okay, thank you on any discussion. No, I just would. after what what we said about the the quality program, you know. Notice, we need to dance people. well. anyone else. Right? I'll call for the vote. All those in favor. Okay and awesome with us. Yeah. Oh, great. Not allow for to talk, Cynthia. I've allowed you to talk. But I you're muted for now, in case there is any questions. Okay?

[24:07] Okay? Oh. I love it. Thank you. Okay, so this is the pro orchestra extension request. You can see the request in right now. It's So the options are from the extension request, not a good request for the extension pending answers to specific questions. And as you heard the answer, the I here's director. Anything on the yeah. I hope everybody got a chance to read the stuff in the back there. any questions or or issues with? I have a question. Yeah. the the letter states that there's a light at the end of the tunnel in the fall of 2,023.

[25:04] Do you have anything burned up for that time, or is that aspirational? They are an actual day. 21. Okay. well, I'm talking to Alyssa and Mar Mari about setting the dates. We've sort of generically said, that'll work. We almost had it scheduled for the end of this semester. because that's how long it took the young kids to be ready, really for for us to come in. But unfortunately, by the end, you know, towards the end of that time our players were so engaged in opera and ballet and all the end of season stuff. We couldn't get 4 of them together at the same time. So So the plan is to do it in the fall. We don't have specific dates, but I know that they're on Tuesday and Wednesday, and you know, we're trying to work out, you know, which particular week and working around opera Colorado and Colorado ballet and and they're, you know, inside the orchestra and their other obligations. So it's you know. Scheduling is always a little bit of a jigsaw puzzle, but we are.

[26:15] you know, we're about there. The kids are ready for us, and we've you know we've agreed that this can happen. and it's a bigger, better timeframe than trying to do something at the end of the semester Bruce. I like. My comment is, in alignment with I'm sorry I couldn't tell who was talking to them. So sorry about that. But my comment is an alignment with that discussion. I was wondering if, if we, my suggestion is to prove with Cynthia submitting a a draft schedule to all of us. So that sounds reasonable, Maria. I I would agree with that. So I've worked with you before when they say they're going to get something that may

[27:00] they do, and it's always thank you. Any other discussion before we both I just wanted to follow up in the language that I am hearing that the kids are ready and you're in hop in scheduling talks with the Administration. And so I'm for zooming. That means the administration is all on board, because I know that that was kind of a difficulty in the past. So where we, with the administration being full on and ready to go. And oh, okay, if everybody's always been on board with this, it's been a matter of how we do it. you know when the pandemic pretty much, you know, it just completely wiped out the the just, the logistical capacity to to do this project to complete the project, and then Muse was starting from scratch with young children, which is just not something that can be rushed

[28:16] They were only ready for us towards the end of this last semester. They weren't at the beginning. So you know, I I think we're on board with this, Our board is, and the communications with Mari and Alyssa. We're on on it. And It's just, you know. It's just the scheduling and as I mentioned in the letter. I've worked in Haiti and other situations with young children, and you know things just they just don't move. especially in in those kinds of settings. They. They don't move like clockwork, or in the same way that you can expect. So I I think everybody's on board with it. It's just been working with the the logistical issues of of having something, you know.

[29:10] almost having to start from scratch again. But we have a we have a great program. We're going to take a rainstick and run. Take Gabriela, Lina Franks music, and we're going to get the kids playing this pit to kind of stuff and sound like a range. I mean, it's it's it's going to be really cool. When we finally get 4 people in the room, you know, 4 of our musicians in the room with the students, and the fall is just a much better time than the end of the season. Any other questions for. do you have a formal language? So there's a variety of ways we can go sometimes we at this point do like I'm not in paying like where where we're at, if we're ready for that motion, or if there is any other motion, so maybe in the interest of time

[30:09] is, would anybody like to see a motion on the screen different from that? Just nod your head? So you know, different different from that. I think I would like to hear people have to say, I'm a little on the phone about this. On one hand. the last time we extended it, we we, you know seriously this last time. they're back all And then, on the other hand, I recognize that these are scheduling complex, and it's collaboration between 2 and that what's going on right now? It's not under the control of this. I'm just. I don't want to have to do a 6. Essentially, yeah. And if it makes you feel any better, you're not alone. I I feel the same way.

[31:01] And I mean I like the weird setting of precedent. There's that whole aspect of it. I I see lots of people getting their grants done within schools and working with groups and stuff. In this quote on quote Host Covid time. We're in right now. but I get it that it's still a little tricky with schools and with kids. So I'm trying to give some lead way here and not be be the bad guy. I love the collaboration. It's like that, the 2. But maybe, you know, we approve this. We put the line in the sand. We did that last. It did. We make a line in the sand last time? Because I again, I think, going to precedence. If we set a line, then I don't want to look silly like not not a. The motion like the formal motion was being that exactly from January, so you didn't say I moved at the speed extended.

[32:05] Oh, one time in time! No. so so just you would see it as a preference, but not formally as like a condition. So so, just to be clear. I mean, I recommend you to extend it this time. And I I like Maria's. no, I don't think there's anything that minds you. But yeah, I agree with Lauren's recommendation.

[33:01] I would say. if you want to make the motion to have a condition about flying the calendar. Yeah, I guess there's nothing to stop creating a calendar and a hearing to the dates. I mean, anybody can make it out right? They're making this extension one. Yeah. Does somebody want to say that Lauren will like my live type of if somebody wants to give? Do you have a sense of what you want to do? And maybe why, Lawrence, typing, I want to put one more plug into approving. This is, I feel like one of the the biggest hindrances during Covid was ours education to kids. And we saw that with the limited grants that were submitted for

[34:01] in the education category. I think this is really important with early childhood learning to have this program lost. No, no. Oh, that's yeah. That's why, I was looking at you. Hmm. yeah, nice. do we need to have a do we need to set up and for having this done, yeah, like. I don't know what that would be. Is that December. Can we ask?

[35:18] So what do you think would be a good for a deadline that you could at your 2 for the getting a schedule with the news. We're you know. We're we're scheduling all of our players now for next season. So If if you gave us until mid August or the end of August, we, you know we'll have our stuff for the fall set up. Is that That's when we would have it scheduled. and then We would have the project completed by, you know, by the end of the first semester which would be in December. Does that answer the question? Because it it comes in and out. You know I'm I'm I'm traveling. I'm off of. I set 90 right now, anyway. So does that answer your question?

[36:05] Yeah. So do we say, December 30. First. the schedule. Yeah. But then there, there's 2 days. There's one to get on the schedule. I know there's one that everything needs to be all done by, and then there's actually a third when they get the report. So once to discuss it on this meeting. Is that or the September? Sure. because, Cynthia said, by the end of August your meeting is on August 20. Third. Are you comfortable waiting to September to discuss if the schedule is provided, or do you want to? Yeah, yeah. Okay.

[37:05] The only other thing we were contemplating was. it's approved as the final. I don't think that says approved as the final. And then for the Grant program. It's on the premium completion is that date? And then they have one month following that to to their reform. Yeah, so it's all right. let's see, do you want to. Just

[38:02] yeah, I'm following this and and and it seems it seems good. And I really really appreciate the the work that you're putting into this and I'm really grateful. Thank you. all right. What does somebody like to make a motion? I don't need the ringcentral cost like from you in Colorado. You approve this the final extension, and from you still provide it scheduled by September first, 2023. And here, to the schedule of the I'm assuming that some cultures would I mean something else. Hey? any discussion before we go. Let me not see you any. I'll call for the the vote all those in favor. All right. The vote is unanimous. Thank you. Everybody. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. You guys have a good evening. Thank you for your work.

[39:11] Alright cool. Thank you. Everybody. I it sure sounds like so I think going last for this evening. Okay is through it. We last one shower. So our leadership pipeline side you receiving very. I can give those back. So George is sorry to catch up. We're a little head of scheduled. We're on 5 d. Right now about the leadership pipeline funds. So you're

[40:11] okay. So this is something that we brought up. Obviously. But we're bringing to you for some input. you receive a very draft graph version of an application. it would be packets. But The difference might is to talk through this, we fund and to get some of your input on it, and then I will build it out for to to publish it. unless we have some really serious things to this. you want to say that this is out of our normal cycle of change in the Grant program. Usually we are doing this on August, September and October. but we have these funds on the table, and at the last

[41:00] revision of this cycle, the Commission that's starting to come back with concepts for using this month. So that's what we need. So, as you know, this. we're just 2 of them the Equity Project, fund and the scholarship. This you, our administration. This addresses some of the goals on the cultural plan, which is the question of moving the arts for promoting the ability for young professionals. Good place to go to careers that are our young, our youth. piece of the cultural plan and addressing systemic barriers and social inequities. We envision this as 2 of works of $8,000 each. We have $10,000 to a role in this category, and it would be a very broad scholarship, as I will be that you saw in your application in the draft very drafted application.

[42:01] This would be for young arts leaders to intend to focus their career on improving cultural resources for communities, color lighting, discrimination and equity, increasing access to the really one of the questions. Well, and 2 questions for you. And I apologize that since I'm using the screen I can't. So one of them is just what do you think you have this idea overall in general, from your meeting in the packet and number 2, I would recommend that we take this as an interview process, which is what we did with the administration certificate program. I can talk through. Why we want to start with that. Or if you want to start with an overall impression. Ultimately, tonight, you want to get your impression. If we're on the same page, I will build up this program and we'll publish it in a live. So there are more questions that we can sort out tonight, like I said, I will build out a more specific application document and

[43:06] I'll fill out a bigger document and bring back to you. Next time I guess we'll we'll help you with this one. Walk us through an example. what about somebody? They're interested in doing this thing. So what is that kind of a thing? And then what happens? Where? Where they get? so they can be a see, a student at see you on an undergraduate to you that wants to work in our administration, or is majoring in parts, in business, and they say, I want to study to become an arts administrator and some for your fashion. They would applied for this grant implement for you with the Commission, you reward it. And then they would receive the emails. So that's what whatever they need. This would be a very general that will give towards friends that you purchase food books, me and camera equipment, right? really, whatever they need. And I think that piece is important, as we see how to and see what kind of

[44:14] okay? because a a couple of observations which are completely correct, and how you characterize that I think one of the key is, though we're going to ask a question of them, of how you're going to build your career around building equity in the arts community. and that could be answered in any number of ways. and But what? It doesn't answer very specific question out of the cultural. because there's a really broken chain from someone entered into their education in the arts. and that turning into a career here. But it's systemically worse for communities of color. and it is entering into an arts community that really needs that kind of representation of support.

[45:06] So yes. And then do does the money have to be used at like a formal education like at at a college. And then also, what's young? You are, my Caroline? Why don't? What is important about this, too, that more did a great job of building out is that? No, it's not necessarily for only for you or you and robot It might be someone who's interning at. or it might be someone who's at a community college. And it's in a career, a career, an education to the arts, but wants to be into the arts. It could also be someone who wants to take an extended workshop, of course, to expand their arts. Practice. so part of the lesson we learned from discussion up to you, scholarship was that that narrowing of that just that one program is part of the phone.

[46:07] And so we tried to make it. So it's open up, and that makes a little harder on you, because in your decision and interview you need to determine if you use the funds, and it might be apples and or just a little bit. But we'll be able to manage that. But young. The definition of youth in the cultural plan is college h, and below. so it is not a common domain for that. But that's what we'll be hitting it to. Now again, we're not making an age moment. So there's a little bit of flexibility there, and someone who's switching careers. is, it might be a possibility to consider. we're open to suggestions about that. But I think that he is the leadership pipeline, part of it. Do. Are you going to give the applicants that you want? We're going to grow into?

[47:00] I don't think this is the right, but I of good use this funds would not be someone who's late career off the switch premieres, or someone who's an established leader already in the community. Maybe that really wants to add to their abilities. if if you want to use this money effectively, hasn't tended, this is about, you know, people. and the last of you didn't answer. Ask me, but I know it's hard it is The use of this fund. The benefit of this funds is not just 2 people together. that when we establish programs like this, it sends a message out to the community, and especially young people, that there's that they are valued, that they have a career here. And so everyone who applies everyone who applies it doesn't get it. Everyone who reads in the daily camera that this program will see a demonstration that that actually have real value. That's another thing in the cultural finance. That that sort of need from behind is a really good.

[48:00] So I'll tell you where I get lost. I'm sorry. I get lost in the way it matches to find it that they'll pursue a career in the Arts area where for me it would be. They'll pursue a career in the arts in Boulder. That's that's that's the part that's missing for me. you know, if we have somebody that comes from as many students here to come from Southern California. They finish their 4 years now. They want to get their masters as well, and then we give them this beautiful scholarship. They graduate and they just go right back to Southern California. So I, my concern is, what is what is boulder. Yeah, I want to be sure, we're in a local to some extent, right? The only one. And I. And I think, for accessibility reasons. You know it could be over.

[49:05] Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think there's some flexibility. And that's it. Yeah, I I on our working your and that kind of ties into the second tab. By comments for that I know that. You know we wasn't struggle in the past about this idea of Grant recipients moving in boulder and city of Boulder. But my question is about, see you students for living off campus getting their education.

[50:11] which is that. But if and I, this is like about having an interview process which is first, I think, gets them in front of you guys. For, like, involved in your interest in the arts right? It shows them like it uses them to some But then also we could build the question. The application that says, Tell us about how you plan, or what it? What under remain in the arts? Right? And then, when they come for the interview, that can be one of the questions that product which you kind of already have. Yeah. So I'm I'm reading on page back at age 21

[51:01] in the narrative that they're having to fill out. To apply the last question is contribution to older culture. How do you? I hope you would answer your contribution? That language can be refined to more closely align with, How will this education contribute to older culture? Directly? I'd love to hear that the answer, how are they for being now? Kind of thing. Yeah, I want to go out on a live here and say that I disagree with you. It doesn't happen often. that it's categorically true that spending boulder money on people who will forever stay in older is That's the First of all, because, our experience with the headquarters in and residents of Boulder. A rule has been quite challenging. It's it's not being very effective.

[52:03] the second part is, as you all know, that it it's difficult to say. For what is it? $3,000 for $8,000 you You got to stay in Boulder in a market that doesn't quite permit that that salaries that allow for that right now, you know. So I I don't think we can create a rule that says you must work in boulder after this for a certain number of years. I know there are certain programs. I can do map it up if you have this. But the last part is that One thing we found out in the cultural plan is that projecting boulders, creative identity out to the rest of the world is also a very important thing that community wants to have. And so in my mind, yes, there could totally be a point of evaluation to say, Hey, we've got 6 candidates and 2 of them. You have been in Boulder, otherwise in the committee to Boulder, and we should emphasize that and

[53:01] it lead on them, but not making it a hard and fast move. because there may be any number of ways that come to you and explain why coming here doing some work here and then going back out to the world is a benefit to us, and I don't want to close the doors of that. So it's almost like revisiting the bolder focus concept is you should be able to emphasize people. We're committed to boulder and well figure. I think that's marvelous, but not make it a criteria. can we even would it be if you are not able to stay in the You know what's your take on that? But I I don't know how college kids would answer that, you know, like.

[54:00] you know, maybe it's part of the same question. It's you know what you what it's been your commitment so far. Why did you choose to go to school here? Why are you choosing to get education here? Do you intend to stay here, and how do you use that? And then. if you don't attend to stay here, how does us funding this part of your education help older? They may go get a great off you all. I I like this direction because there is a piece of me that whether or not this is accurate, or how that feels like. well, they don't stay here. And looking beyond. I just don't want to see a pipeline in the. And that's right where I'm at this. Yeah. Do you think? it will be helpful once we get like program, both out for all of you, to your sessions and sources. And what about it? Yeah, because really, that is the most successful way we're going to find.

[55:28] Can you put that slide back on? So we could see. Yeah. But so you got all that, you all of us, you know. I'm sorry. Right? So, my, probably. Yes, once we we in the past. So I I think the most we had it. Anyone was like 2 people for the Cu admin. They would command you each have questions like that. Same questions for them. and then, you know, they stay in the room where they can go. I'm not sure.

[56:05] Right? Yeah. So just humor me for just a second. and I'm asking my phone permission. So if we look at the second bullet point. if we take out the second one promoting the ability for young arts professionals to proceed older and just leave the other 2 all right. Imagine a world where an organ, an arts organization in boulder has somebody that's been working, doing their marketing arts marketing for 4 years. and they'd like to go back to school and get really good at marketing so they can help the organization that they're at. And they're a person of color. So we're this the way I see this, that this whole thing wouldn't apply to that kind of scenario, somebody who has demonstrated

[57:06] some commitment to the community, some commitment to working in an arts organization. I I I I just want to be sure we're we're talking this through and and looking at the reality of it once it's in place. Bye. yeah. so good point. And we're open to suggestions about that. I think that the justification that we have for doing it that way is that a lot of scholarship and programs are restrictive. And we know that college students especially have trouble with their studies because of all the number of reasons that are outside of the classroom. And so we wanted to leave it open again for something for you to evaluate. They have to talk about what they', but we wanted the ability to say, Okay, this person may have

[58:07] great scholarship to the robot to enter into their program, but they're not going to be able to afford rent. and you'd be able to help them not be true. They could take that program. So that's the justification. And and again, one more thing I want to point out, that sort of the whole line of this is to get into the record is We did reach out to our legal department and other colleagues in the city to make sure that this alliance with script, non discrimination practices. So we do have all that set up. That's but I enjoy the flexibility of the of the actual award itself. and I see it as an I also, like the merging of the grants, one really broadens the access to it. As to those who would be able to apply to it, and that merging actually increase the effectiveness and the efficiency of it. And those are

[59:09] I wanted to give you back on your comments, and I understand what you're saying. And persuaded by what I could not say about that. There, you know, there are difficulties in. and young people color coming up through the system. And more that we can support. use. the what as a progressive city and a progressive arts community. you know, it's the same reason that we were coming in that early school programs are great. Now, you need a lot of support, right? So I'm not as I. I hear what you're saying. They're not. So you feel that a master's program is a better use of the funds, which, of course, limits it to just see you older.

[60:03] Because front range doesn't offer any kind of masters. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I I just wanna be sure. So then my question is that I I don't know. Okay, Is there any sense to tie? I don't know a mentorship or something that might encourage people to be more engaged here. and it's not attach them to someone who is yeah good to put attached to a granty, give them an options. I think that's been right in the call. We're landing something we haven't.

[61:01] Oh. what is this? From a month we we just need to. Well. we need to. We have to. We have to pay. We have funds for this, so we need to allocate them. Yes, okay. So it's not the funding. A mentor is not solution to that is not using the but the yeah, because it would be a you would be asked. And we have. The probably isn't that piece of formalized, and we just have some of our advantage at once. We once we figure out lines of business where these scholars would receive, you know, reaching out, some to meet with this person for a couple hours or or a set period, to

[62:02] to just talk through, some before and like create some applications when, like asking people that we give money to ask them to do something. I the they you're completely right. Yeah. The the 2 things are in my mind is that issue, and we already have an issue with the they're. They're they're the right now. And so it's not so much that we couldn't do that, or would be effective. If we want to demonstrate to the rest of the community that you're you know what recipients be required to to their report afterwards. Any kind of it's like a nice feedback for your. it sounds like we need to do the on three-six. Yeah, get your different language. Mind during that? Right? Yeah. But you know, do we have that kind of time? Can we look at it again? I do an improved version next time that not we do want to find to get it all going. yeah, I think that's a good plan. That's okay with all you all. Listen to this again. Go through, and then I'll bring back some specific questions. If we have an online.

[63:24] stop me. If I'm we might also benefit from, since there's some ambiguity, and maybe someone would be deputized, especially some direct questions about older residency and older career part to help us like, I have some language in any time. yeah, I I prefer not to be that so any volunteers for a couple of

[64:02] I don't. I don't feel sorry about the the boulder. Okay, that's why it would be a good choice. I mean stuff. But I still have a little confused as far as like someone has to be in school. Yeah, I can use for more education. Is there a minimum requirement like for for a we have an established one. This is the interesting part of this, I think, is that I am curious. What you said. Give me an example. My mind was crazy that I'm like, I think my game's gonna apply for this, and how we're going to reach people that are high school in terms of the applicant. So I would say that the first time we've been open as far as what we are asking for, and I can talk to them about the ultimate concept of this is they're finding right. So they're not totally up base. And then we figure out what is really out there, and we.

[65:15] and also won't be cognizant of her much admission, which was some of right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That's one of my graduate. They're not right. Yeah, they want to. But they want to. That's kind of where I'm going through the. They could also not be in the arts. They could also not be in the arts and what works they have to make sure that what they're applying for is a good

[66:04] it in these these questions that we're all asking. That'll inform the questions we ask during the live interview. Yeah. yeah. my hand is not playing on top of what? That's okay. I I appreciate that. And I appreciate that everyone doesn't as well. So we're going to work on some language based on this conversation. I'll come back to next month and thank you. Thank you all. Yes. and and since nobody raised it, I will. I'm not worried about the boulder aspect. But I would I out, why, it's something things. Yeah, okay, we're speaking. It's more kind of general like, is this the idea that we aligned what? The yeah, yeah, yeah, that'd be great.

[67:07] All right, Lauren. Anything else. So let me say you're almost done with correct right. But we're one. Yeah. And so thank you for the past exciting. All right. So that is the Commissioners Caroline and Maria. Okay, hey, Caroline, I think it might be good to give a little context. Oh, why, we're doing this for the new new Commissioners. Would you be willing to take care of the language. I think they are going to.

[68:03] You're gonna get a little context. Yeah. The context for this is that we had some brand new reports. Last year we have 2 different brand reports that had some that reported some troubling experiences. One of them was a grantee who had put out advertisers. was putting up ever 10 students, and I'm not going to remember the the details of the project, but I I believe in. I think somebody was pulling down their average. And then there was another grantee that had some art that went up. that was focused on immigration status and things like that. And it was to face. And so that was obviously really heartbreaking for the artists. It was troubling for us to hear about it, and it occurred.

[69:07] we've either started talking about it right before or right after the shooting in Colorado Springs, which was, you know. bye. And so we decided as a commission that we wanted to make a formal statement. we did that. I don't think we have that much today, but we made a formal state that at a meeting, and then we also met with the Human Rights Commission and and started talking about 3 different avenues, and one was formal statement. Another was, how can we update our website to provide resources and a stronger statement in addition, other understands about supporting artists. And then we also got it might be nice to work with the Human Rights Commission to do some sort of trainings or workshops, so we haven't gotten anywhere with workshops. You haven't had any follow up meetings with permission. That's a question that that Marie and I have about.

[70:14] Where do we? We? We, we see with that which we do next. But we have. We now have we? Maria and I worked with the cultural plan and came up with some languages, the introductions. But on the website. we works member. And then we ask that if they can take a look at it from their perspective and the impacted parties perspective, and they get some really great feedback. is is possibly. And so we integrated that. And now we're in a place with the language that we feel good about it. we have one tweet suggested by Bruce. and we wanted to

[71:00] top it through and finalize the language with you guys so we can get it up to the website and less resources. So it's it's it's a. It's a statement, not an all made. I'm excited to see. Like, if you do this, there will be consequences. We do have expression, and we are Arts commission and not tolerating instruction or people's arts. And they're not working with Hrc. And that's a upholder. Yeah, all of them for the wording on that. My question was on the fact that we we missed it out. We're having little technical. So there you you, you list out so many specific categories and and populations, and

[72:01] do we isn't too specific. And for myself, all of those different communities. or do we not any of them? And it's just for the greater good. But that's that's just because I I think of, I think some of the populations that we're listed specific. I think. So we have to update the and we, I think that's definitely something we should discuss because we've been kind of grappling with that, too, you know. Don't water it down so much that it doesn't. That can't tell what we're talking about on the website. And are we being exclusionary by trying to be too inclusive right that we could add 15 more groups to that? So so the the change that I suggested that Caroline alluded to was just that the very the first sentence recently learned since this is going to live on the website

[73:00] I think we can take out recently. But it's something, you know. Just change the wording a little bit. So it's there for a while. I like that as one. Yeah, yeah, along those lines. Remember, whatever whatever you all think is that. But just so it and video production, we use a a word called evergreen. It means that something will be there for a long time. But on the install relevant. and, in my opinion, on listing the groups, I think the way where we are socially. Right now, I think it's important to list groups. And and this should be a living statement that as our society shifts that we can adapt that over time. So we have members of faith communities. Sure. No. yeah, because it just to put a point on it, I guess as I'm reading it, you know we left it. Why, and say we still are just from all backgrounds. I mean, I don't know that. But yeah, I I don't know that we?

[74:15] You know it, if I'm being, for you know. I mean it's it rather than trying to think about every single thing, including, but not limited to ideas that another way of saying it, that kind of leaves it open. And again, this is next to point. And again, it's not I like that. I would I I always fringe at it because it's very. I just think we're trying. We're trying to make a point. Yeah, we're trying to make a point. And I that that word, that just that slight change seems to make it more inclusive, trying to make the point that we're trying to be more inclusive.

[75:11] should we? What it is? Yeah. not limited. And then up at the top. we can do that. But it is a the the ours commission is aware that. and then I'm going to be. and then we'll call. After that you can get through the one. After that you don't put a come after 2,

[76:02] no. or just from all backgrounds included, but not limited to you. Don't put a comma there. Yeah, that's what. If you take off like a limited to it still reach properly, including. Hmm. what? Yeah, I would say, it's up, you know, some sort of. or it's something that's more of a Jewish or no. One. Thought is everything out there. It was a script or other community they based committed doesn't need to say faith-based communities.

[77:05] Okay. this is why we're certainly so fun with a group. That was a surprise. I learned something when I heard that from my folder they gave us a link to a documents. all about it is just gender. Yeah, I've never seen it. Oh, should I make it an official public document? So anybody who wants to read can. Alright. So are we voting? What's the action plan that needs to take? Right? So may I make a suggestion before we go there? Yeah. And totally just for thought. is that in conversation we all step up. We'll hung up on actually the statement protection of freedom like expression.

[78:13] and the reason is is because There are. There are people who make an argument that they have the right to express themselves in stopping other people from having the right to. and the the freedom of speech. Argument for things like hate. Speech has been. You know, it's got a long history here. There's there's lots of different ways that that is addressed, and why and narratives. But A. And I don't. I I I really don't think there was any intent to try to protect that type of speech, or that necessarily anyone will read it into what you are saying. Your, you know the comments and everything else you know about your ex commission. However, I just want to point out that there

[79:04] there is a sort of a flaw in the equity of that statement. Should we? Should we be sending it to the city? Words, miss, for them to come back with suggestion? well, we certainly could, I'm sure, when the Communications Department can see how they would. It make any difference at all if it said protection of artistic freedom of expression. I'm not the. It's my, it's my, it's my, it's my, it's not gonna it's it's not gonna it's it's not. Gonna it's it's it's it's like, I'm getting hit over the head. because do I understand correctly, Carolyn Maria, that

[80:00] protection of freedom of expression is about the attacks that happened on the so of the people. Right? Yeah. So so what I would have to do for I I don't think I have a good phrase yet, but instead of saying protection, the freedom expression, somehow we have a statement. That's the positive version of we stand against people who would. But, you know, attack because of a special class. But you know, I I you know, these tenants on the cornerstone of the older cultural plan. So maybe we look for language. And there may be a

[81:07] good question. I'm I'm just curious about the last one. as a staff. I'm is expected of staff when somebody does call, and we are we trained to respond to like, what's the expectation of the last time I have. No. I mean, I'm happy to chat with the public at any time. No, no, it's it's a great question. Yeah, yeah, I would. I would take hold of the. I think we just my, this might take my memory on what we discussed is that there will be a list of resources under there that also can be talked through by the staff, including the police, including like Hrc. Including whatever you know, out there and

[82:15] and just having having a a lot of options because we don't trust this. we're not going to call the please. Okay? So well, I was just gonna say, yeah, I think that's that's huge is the resources like we talked about a month or 2 ago. you know, naacp out boulder. Yeah, maybe. Just say, if you like, did you have any questions reach out to a staff member of ours and culture.

[83:04] because this is going to be after the resources correct. This would be the header to the resource. Okay. that might. That might be good. Just like you can qualify if it's a set number like, qualified. Okay. this, the, actually, it might help you the most. But yeah, yeah, if you need any guidance, or if you have any questions, reach out. what resource start? What? They same? Yeah. okay, so we're we're basically like a referral. Yeah, because we are going to be people who are resolving the and this kind of makes it seem like that's where these they should go to us for that. Right? So so maybe it's just as simple as taking off the or and just capital A as part of our commitment, you can reach a half member if you have any questions or or would need want us to refer you to which organization to talk best talk with.

[84:02] Yeah, that's we're trying to get away from yours. It? Yeah. Yeah. And so that the it's word, because we do have to with a lot of the organizations. But yeah, I think once we have those finalize, it's posted, then we send it to these organizations and say, Hey, this is what they can be our. And you know, if there's somebody that on your staff that we should breathe and and harvest sort of out to organization. Just so we have, I guess, just in the contact. I feel like, that's a good idea.

[85:06] Yeah. And to be clear. This, this is a living document. Yes, so we can change it as as we see how people are using it. Maybe we need to have that certain things. You know, there was another edit that I suggest. So that was taking on that last morning taking that initial word, or if you oh, great. Yeah. I think whatever connections we make, we should. yeah, that's a good question about. I'm I'm I'm lingering on the discussion for a few minutes ago. But what's really important to me is that the first resource is saying, if you feel you're an active yeah, that's so.

[86:02] right. don't start. Yeah. We'll never leave. Well, what I heard is we'll share it with. It's in our communication department, and then we'll take a look at the Caroline. Maria. Caroline. Maria. Thank you. Yeah, thank you very much. We are you you guys? All right? No, we are away with that in an answer to a couple of your questions that we want. that the Hrc. Has been informed they can do it on. You are welcome to reach back out through your context there.

[87:10] But I I don't know that there's anything more to do. you know. Collaborative. It's up to them to take them steps. but we'll definitely share this with them, and that was part of something that they wanted to as well. And we'll share with their others. The other thing I want to say is that we have been talking about a gathering. so The discussion on that was that we need not only to get the artist community together to kind of help distribute these resources and and make people aware and have a discussion about the rest of that happen, but also to reinforce courage.

[88:02] because the last we want to do is to make a situation where we feel less strong about expressing themselves. so we're still working on saltation and the date that is still in the plan. I have that happen. So yeah, we will definitely no, no, great, thank you. alright, you ready? Maybe one less question for Matt and and Matt was the gathering. Were you referring to? You know we've had some cover conversations about perhaps doing something out of experiments in public art is that, do you think that's related to the gathering? And now that Brendan's on board, I haven't told Breeded about that. Oh, surprise! That's that's week, too, you know. But the users will discuss that. I I can't say that it'll be part of that gathering. It may be the gathering itself. It may be something that happens adjacent to it. So

[89:10] thank you. all right, Matt. all right, all right. Anything else from commissioners in not sailing. But I you have a question. was there? okay, that was available like. equipment I need on this stage. I thought, we have like a talk of like speakers, and whatever like, if someone performs at you really need like that

[90:01] pieces of the stage. So The the closest I think I can get you is one, maybe 2 things. that neighborhood services used to have before the a pit for block parties that have, and that sort of thing. I I honestly haven't heard about what's happening with that since then, so I'll look into that. And then, if I'm not gonna say Parks regression has a mobile stage. Do I remember that that was so that

[91:00] all? so While you think about other questions. from the stop updates and such. some of the highlights. you know, we saw the boulder last week. Presentation. We're very excited to get started on 24 boulder Arts week. let's see, it was 2,016 was the first one. I think. Yeah. it was early. anyway. it's it's had a very long good run. and has been growing in great ways. And so I just want to call it more and make sure that that is a spectacular program. And it has some interesting hidden goals that I'm not sure everyone's aware of, because it's a celebration of the arts, and it does that wonderfully. But it's also about audience sharing

[92:07] about making sure that people who. you know, attend the all the time have a chance to get at the visual arts or whatever the context may be. And so And then it's also about This aspect of pacific dialogue strategy around elevating the conversation about the arts in the community. And so I I say that I mean, I know we already discussed the but I just want to say that there are real great successes like that that are sort of through lines in a lot of our program. And what is starting up right now with the 2,024 budget cycle is a focus on performance management outcomes and key phones indicators. and the role that you all play in that isn't huge. We come to you a couple of times a year with sort of an Update, and you have

[93:05] firm responsibilities for the budget of the Grants program. You have an advisory role with the rest of the budget. But it is this moment where things like the evaluation of Boulder Arts week and everything else. We're certainly back and really examining the goals and the cultural plan, taking a look at how things evolved, revising those outcomes you see necessary, and then assigning data points to. And I'm sure you all know having data about the arts is really fraught and public are being the worst. it's very difficult. And we know, and our community is committed to the art and the impact. The arts have and we have a lot of different research that we do that we share with other professional organizations. but it's it's incomplete.

[94:00] And so one of the things that I'd like to have a conversation about as we approach our periodic conversations about budget is not only sort of repeat of past years, of just accepting the budget and making recommendations on priorities to council on that sort of like going about our business. But I would love your help with understanding the bread from trail, from the cultural plan to the success of the programs of had or not. And what data can be applied to that or because it's it's only going to be a few months here where we're going to start to assemble that get it to finance, or as part of our budget process, start to discuss internally in the department to line it up with all the other programs and make sure that what's happening in the cultural plan is starting to knit in with the strategic plan for the department.

[95:00] So we're going to be asking a lot of like deep, searching questions about this sort of thing. But just to get your wheels turning that the city is committed to the outcomes, and we want to measure those outcomes. And we're doesn't have that ready. So what I should say that doesn't have a if you can find some averages or some programs on like over the last 4 years. We've scored and we do priorities. And we know we've got those grants. And maybe we can find an average score of you know

[96:00] how well the granted programs were performing in that. but just based on our scores. That's awesome, Jack, that at least numbers, you know, that's really interesting showing over time, like not individuals, but households, have changed. Because I you know what I read in the scores is. or more organizations are getting higher and higher explorers, fewer below the line over time. That would be which might play in the public guard. If we can find a way to quantify selection handling decisions or even applications. Yeah, I mean, there's just so much, so much variety of ways. You can look at data. It's just a matter of thinking

[97:00] the data exactly. What questions do we need to ask? I was talking to a oh. member of the Arts community, you know, a week or 2 ago, and they were giving a little bit of a hard time in that I tend to prefer helping smaller organizations so that they can become large and extra large where they felt it's more important to help the large and extra large so they can stay that way. So it'd be interesting to see the data over time of how grants help organizations to to grow or we're not. And the one way to do that is potentially look at the number of employees that these organizations have over a period of years starting from where they are now because of that And we also know that you know our lives. If you look at government spending specifically the Roi and the arts is number one,

[98:03] number one. Our live in turn to to any investors. any any, any other government or or grant based spending. If you if you're looking at investments in the honest, they are the number one internal investment because they they feed it in higher infrastructure. They keep up restaurants and transportation and in entire infrastructures of people that are working there and volunteering and events that happen afterwards, and that and and organizations, and they collaborate with them. They are efficient. Yes. on it on that note, little on top of all, just asw data arts came out with their and that's which, of course, Boulder mixed the top by hand in small cities. But they came up with the secondary report. They did that with, we collaborated with City Chicago or something, and found out that

[99:07] local government investment in the arts is one of the biggest indicators that you'll have good scores in your index. So there's also an interesting line that way. I I don't think that's something that we can use to track necessarily here. But it's it's like we just, we know it certainly does lead to the next question, where, if anyone needs to be introduced or reconnected with Deborah Maldon or Jan Burton on the gathering signatures for the ballot initiative. or the increase in arts spending which would increase our budget exponentially. the deadline for that, I think, is June fifth or June sixth. If you haven't already started volunteering, let me know, and I'll put you in direct contact with them, and they will give you an opportunity in which to engage with the public to acquire those signatures.

[100:06] So If if you think of 4 ways to measure any shop especially the qualitative side storytelling, if you are a great. think of a way to collect those stories in an efficient way that we can demonstrate. That's going to be a hard part. So much of what we do with that storytelling aspect of it, and that's hard to match up to number of parts. And you're obviously 30. That data. So I what kind of what you are alluding to is this, Roi? I have urged. I'm wondering how many of our projects are. they have. I would look at arts, organizations, or even non arts. Organizations, impact reports on yearly basis. And and look for those type of questions, what data are they pushing out? And then we can get cumulative information from folks who are grantees or non grantees

[101:18] from our work. That's excellent. And actually, one of the things we started to discuss that kind of points in that direction is, we have this fantastic general offense for survey that our applicants suffer through every year. And so we have 8 years of data going back on budget size, audience, size programming network. yeah, so we might be able to make a connection between that and impact. And now you got pre pre-playing that helps and complicates the And then the last thing I have to say is on the topic of things that are very difficult to measure is that just wrapped up the social infrastructure study for now request I just got to date the final report on it. And so

[102:11] you know. I I don't think we'll spend time in a commission meeting going through it, but I just wanted to give you the the very high level that what we were able to do is to take a discrete part of town. That's on those scheduled to change an industrial area in each folder. that city council and by board identified needs to have a different type of and the worry was there are social assets there that we might lose social infrastructure. how do we know? And what do we do to protect those? And so we collaborated with conference planning? And the CEO architecture and the urban planning department and came up with an indexing survey

[103:04] that maps all the cultural assets, compares that to intercept survey data to create indexing value for cultural as or not social asset, including cultural essence. And so the reason that I'm so excited about this is because a it answers a question. there's a lot of research going back to the nineties that social infrastructure investments have serious improvement potential for things like public health, mental health. social cohesion. slowing microaggressions. Well, being of all different measures. Right? Now we have a way to assign value to that and replicate it in other parts of town to understand gaps in social infrastructure assets and social infrastructure, and then be able to work with party board and developers and community groups to protect or enhance that.

[104:05] So there is still some. So there it is. Okay. so there's like fully open, accessible places where you will run into people. You don't really don't meet, build friendships, build that works and find social connection. So those are places like libraries and parks. but even things like plazas and farmers markets. And then there's things that are sort of partial social infrastructure. So this may be a third place, a coffee shop. You go in and buy a cup of coffee, but you might run into some kind of here and arts venues kind of fall into that category. Public art is more in the first category, and then they're also like discrete clubs. There's places you go to meet certain people right? but there's in those 3 categories. There's all sorts of nuance in child care. So I've met more people in child care and schools waiting for their kids to get out of those friendships

[105:13] and our our partners that you were even to identify things as as simple as park benches can slow people down. make them more attached to a place and build those connections. And the what the evidence shows is that You are safer. you are more committed to your city. We are more ready to take action on things like climate change. You are more understanding of different cultures and different perspectives when you have a lot of those types of experiences. So let me know if you don't want to dig in because this is right here. But it's fine. Yeah, we we we do have a 2 to 2 bedroom. So in the comes. We'll be able to deploy that across town and have more information and then get into the details on what it means to make an investment in cultural. I mean what we're going to be outside of the economic return which we can track these right now. Maybe we have a way to try and social

[106:15] social right. Matt, can you share that link to that study with us. I'll send you around. What else? Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's that's that's needed the engagement better. how many of them have in a downtown. And how much is that growing up last year with, you know the you know, our our providing. Basically keep your eyes on, and and the doors open and and general operating expenses, and a lot is then allowing them to go out and build a elements. You know. I maybe we could talk offline because we struggle with the whole idea of measuring the Trinity revenue and what that might story that might tell. So maybe you can help us like, yeah, that's that's your investment in. Yeah, yeah, okay.

[107:13] there's future generations. right? They look different than us, right? Anything else from that anything else anybody wants to share before we adjourn. So next love. can we just recap everything? Yeah, we we've we've, we've we've we've we've we've we've we've we've we've we'll adjourn the meeting. Thank you, everybody.

[108:09] Hi! Everyone.