July 8, 2025 — University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:01] Okay, we are recording welcome to the University of Commercial Area Management Commission meeting. It is July 8, th 2025. And I'm on role. Anderson, I do see you online, I'm going to try to promote you to panelists again. We'll need you to share your screen or your video and your audio while you join us tonight, and then I can see here, alright! Attendance. There we go. Thank you. Thank you. And then, Pete, so you're here. I'm here. Okay. I will thank you, Ellie. Our only procedural item today is the approval of the May 25 meeting minutes. I'm assuming we all had time to review that. Does anyone have? I'm looking for a motion to approve the minutes as submitted. So see a motion to a second.

[1:11] I'll take Danica this time any discussion about the meeting minutes as presented now. all of us in favor of approving the minutes as presented in Japan, some dashboard and passiveness. All right. We are now at the point of our agenda where we do public participation. So anyone online in the public who would like to address the Commission. No, alright. we will move forward that to consent. Agenda. These are not going to be necessarily discussed unless there's questions as I have questions about consent. Agenda. It's exciting. or the Eugene visitation event.

[2:04] We're just blast right through this alright seeing none for the the Visitation Report Senate agenda. We're going to turn it over to Staff forwarded to phone number, all right. And it looks Matt Suzanski, senior manager with Community Vitality department. I'll give the update that Jake sent in for the hill boulder. 1st of all, half-ass subs is reopening soon. Not sure of an exact date, but he's been in communication with that, so that should be coming up soon. Limelight still set to open in August and update on the roots. Music. on the rise festival. The live events will be taking place on July 17th and August 21, st so you can help get the word out about that. We can send along to. So you can forward that along.

[3:01] Bill Boulder is also working with the Hill Ambassadors to distribute communication about the 14th Street lot permits. So I think Christine will be here to talk about that a little bit. And the last update is that the hope holders new marketing person has been doing a good job keeping the events calendar up to date and driving more foot traffic. So they're hoping to that work through itself. So that's the updates for Number One. and if you have any questions I can't answer them, but pass them along questions around the hill. But older the only one I'd like to pass on the pizza place. That was part of us didn't last very long. It'll be nice to hear about interest in you guys. Open challenges. Have you seen any activity?

[4:03] I haven't seen anything. I've seen people on the patio, but they don't look like customers. Yeah, they did have like Christmas lights on over the weekend, which was very strange. Oh, maybe they're open. So maybe they're just taking us solstice. So in any case, if we could pass that on. We're really curious to hear it says closed online. I've been noting that it's been empty for a while, potentially spend a ton of space, some information working. Thank you very much. We are now to the matters from staff portion of the agenda. Oh, did we have a question? Oh, sorry! Oh, that's what they didn't know about. Oh no! Competitors of staff. Looks like we've got several items here, including Chris Hagin, not seeing Chris online.

[5:07] So yeah, let's go back to him looks like Elliot. You're up, sure. So jump right in. Yeah. Well, 40 min. Oh, that big green arrow at the bottom there, so share alrighty. So we will jump into a little bit of a presentation here. It's very much draft form with this. So I just wanted to kind of give you guys a head or an update on where we are in the budget process. So the purpose of today's presentation is to kind of give you a little bit of an overview of what we submitted for the entire community. Vitality budget did not break this down into specific districts because it's still Tbd, lots of discussions about budget reductions for 2025, possibly for 2026 as well.

[6:03] So just kind of showing an overview of the entire department's budget, we'll highlight some proposals, though, supporting the district's priorities and the next steps for mission engagement and opportunities for you all to have some input so the 1st process is the executive Budget team. It's a group of city leaders, city manager's office, Hr. Comms couple of floating directors and they review the entire city's budget requests across every department kind of discuss it and weigh its priorities, and how it aligns with their goals, and our racial equity, goals, and kind of help make decisions on which ones kind of get approved. Forward that then goes to city council for their review. And from there on we will actually have a small touch point. Post the

[7:01] study session with City Council for Commissioners to weigh in on their support for the budget. And then we pass that along the city council and let them know how commissioners received the budget process and the budget proposals. and in October will be the second reading, which would then be the actual passage of the commission budgets. So a little bit of our overview our operating budgets right around 12.8, our capitals around 12.1. For a total of about 25. Our operating budget is actually decreasing. Pretty significantly and more significantly is our capital budget increase. The majority of this, as you'll see in future. Slides. Probably seen your memo as well, is within Cajun for managing our assets. The parking garages the big service areas that we're highlighting this year. As I mentioned the asset management of it, we're also doing some Tdm investments trying to expand that a little bit more public art as we use those Ccrs dollars that are dedicated to public art as well as tap into the 1% for cip for public art as well as across all of them working on some streetscapes and vitality programs as well.

[8:25] One of the notable, noticeable, or notable excuse me, adjustments is a shift in parking enforcement structure. So all code enforcement is rolling up under planning and development services which includes parking enforcement. Historically, that's been in our department, the parking enforcement side of things just through a reorganization and recognizing some efficiencies within the city. We're pulling all of those under the same. So code compliance code enforcement parking enforcement as well as some other limited Commission officers, will be under planning development services. So what that does for us? No change in service. Just a change in reporting structure for those group for that group of staff. But it does decrease our overall budget. That's 1 of the reasons why you see such a decrease in our operating budget is because we're losing an entire program.

[9:18] Gotcha. 26 through 31 capital improvement plans. Some of these will look familiar. They're a continuation from our 25 through 30 capital improvement program. But as you saw on the previous slide, a pretty big increase of the cost of capital. Our Cmgc, that's the construction manager, general contractor program. Those are the bulk of our capital investments. So what that does is it? Just kind of streamlines, the overall process of capital renovations within our garages, really bringing together the people who withdraw the plans and the people who implement the plans kind of in the same room to find some efficiencies.

[10:04] And we're looking at about a 25 million dollar investment over the next 6 years across multiple garages. We're also looking at doing some changes within those garages as we're going through, cleaning them up, making them better and doing some innovations. We're also looking at ways to turn our garages into something beyond just parking structures, and is, is a mobility hub. So how do we use these garages to support bicycle infrastructure? alternative modes of transportation, infrastructure, flexible loading zones, all the likes. What are the best uses that we could use our parking garages for? So we're going to be doing some investments there this year. We actually got a small grant from. Thank you from Dr. Cobb to do some research into the mobility hub. So this year we're doing that research next year planning on doing the implementation.

[11:05] 14th Street lot redevelopment back on the docket again, hoping to find some utilization for that lot. And what that actually looks like. So 27 is really going to be that planning and 28 is really going to be hopefully the implementation reinvestment there. Public art projects. Again, Ccrs dollars dedicated to that Boulder Junction kind of what we've done here with our garages and the digital signs we want to be able to do something similar to the depot square garage out of Boulder Junction. So pretty big, hefty cip budget of about 36 million dollars over the course of 6 years. So some notable items for you all as well as our other districts. So we're going to maintain the essential services that we provide in all of our districts. So no changes there. Even as we talked about budget reductions, we wanted to make maintain those essential services. So things like on the hill, you'll notice we do snow removal up there, which is a little bit unique to the Commission to that district. If you will. We're going to maintain that we don't want to reduce that at all.

[12:16] Of course our on street program will still maintain the same, and then the management of the 14th Street lot will remain the same. Really going to be addressing a lot of our deferred maintenance majority of that is within our garages. Where we're doing those capital investments. And we're looking to support those public spaces and the events as well as safety within our districts as we tap into more district vitality programming throughout. And then again, a little bit more of that expanded cip. But minimal changes to our operational budget. So again, so what's next? So that Ebt review these are the actual dates of when things will actually be happening. So the 20 second through the 31, st the

[13:01] the city will be having those discussions. Looking over all the budget proposals, we actually meet personally with Ebt as a department between the 24th and the 27.th I believe it is City council that gets its 1st review, August 29, th and then the Commission recommendations will be coming back to you with a basically budget. That Council will be voting on to get your support on it. Caveat. Some things can change between now and then which we had a discussion about that last year. Final budget adoption is that October 23rd date. unless there is a 3rd reading. But there will be continued opportunities for mission input throughout that budgetary process. Any questions. Oh, it's. Looks, good. He's it's 1,750,000. It! That's what's earmarked right now for the ports we launched so. But we lost the money for the

[14:07] what do you call the meeting streetscape the streetscape? So there's yeah. So the this maybe not the right word. It was allocated. That's true. Project. So we're a part of that. Certainly. We're in conversations right now because of the city's budget. circumstances. The Eugen contribution was, in addition to a general fund contribution to all of those projects together. there might be some adjustments to the general fund contributions to that project which might translate into either. Once you just said, Yeah, it is spending huge dollars on video

[15:00] or a pause, slash cancellation of that project entirely. But and then those funds will then be released back into the huge fund that could be allocated to At 14 Street lot, redeveloped. Hmm. They have not been spent yet. The intent was to leverage huge dollars with general fund dollars to make many things happen for the district. Given the current condition of the general fund. If those funds go away, then my current recommendation is that huge funds get reallocated as well. Yet to another district priority, not sent transportation project outside student banks unless this I think I shouldn't like to recommend. Otherwise. Nothing sick but should prioritize. No, not necessarily, I just wanna make sure that we always remember that that out with the conversation, something that hopefully

[16:06] it'll come back. Because again, that specifically and based on that for them. That's why the recommendation has been there are no Government fund dollars being invested as a result of their current circumstances. Either we're going to continue to hold the money and not spend it or cancel the project altogether. If there's no other dollars in future, it's our belief, and based on the feedback we received you all that future should not be home fundraising those in there and then the 1,000,075, if it isn't spent it within that year. We just we can continue to adapt right or altogether. Okay. my questions help me out here. I I'm trying to remember timing on. We're gonna have a meeting of multiple commissions coming up in October to discuss the

[17:02] the larger idea of having there be a single downtown or something in the long term, the deviates. Yeah. how does that timing factor into timing that is presented here to budget? Does it take that into account? This is just completely separate from that. I'll be searching for so the conversation in the district analysis work that recommends the exploration of the downtown development authority would be something we're pursuing for a 2026 ballot initiative that would then start generating revenue 2027 course. The Dva. Is based on tax financing. So the delta between anticipated property and sales, taxes and new increase in sales taxes associated with the development that's happening. It's

[18:03] generating increased property values. And so that, and that that delta gets bigger over time. So we would certainly anticipate if that is approved by voters, there would be a budget in 2027, but very small. The Dda's take time to build up the amount of resources to actually have the bank capital. It shows. So we'll be learning more over the next year, through our analysis with Huma. They are with under that it onto their contract. And so they are starting to work next week. On this financial analysis, that, identifying the boundaries of the proposed Dpa, getting us all set up for a conversation with Council in spring of next year for their consideration of the valid initiative. So nothing. certainly not anything anticipated in the 2026 budget as far as all of that work goes, but that will be coming.

[19:08] Thank you for clarifying. I appreciate it. So just under special district updates, the 1st bullet point says, department plans begin the construction on the Medians in the coming weeks. So that is, yeah, we are. Yeah, we are in real time seeing a possible product of those general fund dollars to help shore up this year's budget. The project is nearly full design and ready to go to construction. We have contractors that are on contract. This is construction season, but again, it's then my stance. But Puget should not be paying for those Vns that's always happening. We're just in my setting. Where? Who's paying for it? Right? And then the project might be possible to cancel.

[20:04] It is shovel ready. But if the the general fund dollars were not going to be there to support it. Then does that plan? It's a similar visual I've I've never seen. Well, it's really it's just a picking up and putting back in state of good repair. So there's no, it's not a complete no, Grant. Hmm. That that component there was a desire to pursue. Yeah, engagement around transit stop improvements and true improve tree wells and the huge dollars we're going to go to support. Make sure that wasn't just a medium project. How do we have it be overall improvement? In the space? And but without that general fund component it would be just largely limited to

[21:03] immediate on Broadway, which is not yeah. not my recommendation that they just leave them. Thank you any other questions for older staff and this portion of the agenda we can move forward great. Well, I see Chris Haglin is now online, so we can back up to our flexible loading to update if he's ready. Yes, thank you, Chris. Chris Haglin here from transportation mobility, apologize for being late. I was just run, you know, another meeting running over. But when Ellie texted me I was like ready to get onto the zoom. But appreciate your time. I'm here to give you an Update on our curbside management work. As you know from previous updates. Our plan is to initiate some curbside management changes in the University Hill area in the 3rd quarter.

[22:05] and that work is now started in July. We're doing this work because we've seen certainly increased demand for the curb in general increased demand for short term, parking, loading and unloading, and then to better meet and have a efficient curbside access for things like food and beverage delivery Tncs. Those are transportation network companies like Uber and Lyft, and then all the deliveries with Amazon, Fedex ups and usps also, in thinking about the hotel when we initially did the pilot program. That hotel was a construction site. So now that we have the hotel, they're looking at that area. And then also, I see this work, as also some initial foundations for future sundance work. We do know that transportation demand management and curbside management in particular, is going to be critical.

[23:05] For sundance. To kind of just review some of the tasks that we'll be initiating this month, and which we've already done is reviewing is existing conditions. And then we're working right now, I'm working with our transportation operations team and our principal traffic engineer to propose some options based on the results of our pilot program and curbside management curbside demand. So I think what we'll like to do is say, you know, here's our existing conditions, and then propose a few options for consideration, 1st to a smaller internal group before taking out to a larger stakeholder engagement process. just so you understand, the the flexible loading zones that we're proposing are basically 24, 7 loading zones with 15 min limits. So we're looking at, possibly adding a couple of those or trans transitioning a traditional loading zone into a flexible loading zone in the area.

[24:16] I did have an extensive conversation with Chris Jones that there are some issues with the valet parking for the Moxie Hotel, which is causing some backup onto Broadway, which is very concerning. So I think this effort will also look at what we can do with the Moxie Hotel in terms of their valet practices and curbside management on that street. once we have some proposal and options available, we'll start engagement with the Commission and Tell and Trent have volunteered to be kind of our 1st line liaisons on on this commission to help with the project.

[25:01] But we'll do engagement with the Commission, with property owners, businesses, and then also all the commercial users of these loading zones, and we anticipate that will be towards the end of July and beginning of August, we'll be doing that type of work. Other stakeholders include our Hill Merchant Association in the Moxie Hotel, as I mentioned once we receive feedback through that stakeholder engagement on, on our proposed or different options for consideration, we can do some additional inform level of engagement and direct engagement with businesses that are adjacent to proposed change locations. I think by, you know our hope is that by the end of August we have finalized what curbside changes we'd like to make in the unill area and then move into our communications plan in September. This would be communications of the actual proposed, or the changes that are going to go through to businesses, property owners, commercial users. We are in the process right now of

[26:18] identifying points of contact for all of the potential users of loading zones. So your Ubers and lyfts, your Fedex ups. and then your main food and beverage delivery. We've had some success already in finding the right people to talk to one of the key things, is looking at making these flexible loading zones designated pickup and drop off locations for Tncs like Uber and Lyft. We're also planning that in our downtown as well. Following the communications. And you know, everything is settled. We're looking at installation in late September. Which would be really an installation of new new signage.

[27:09] That is our plan, so far as I mentioned. What probably the next immediate actions will be is staff meeting with our commission liaisons and other key stakeholders to share the proposed changes. Looking at different options, selecting an option to move forward with for some wider engagement with the business community. So that is my update. I am happy to answer any questions. Question, Chris, with it sounds like the timing, for this will be implemented just after the limelight opens. Is the limelight considered? Part of this plan is this going to be? Is, will the limelight be something that you future plan for? Or is it a part of the current plan.

[28:08] Think that area would be part of a future plan, you know. just based on the timing of of the opening. I think you know it's helpful to see how things are operating before you make changes. I think the Moxie provides a great example of, you know, once it started operating, we realize, okay, now, there's some issues that we got to deal with. So I would say, that would be a later action. Thank you. I just when you say the designated the loading zones will be designated Tnc. Spots. Does that mean they have to park at them, or that they're just guided to Park to. They, they would be required to use those as pickup and drop off locations. So if they had someone, you know, they use Geo fencing technology. So they put a Geo fence around like the Uni Hill area. And so anybody being dropped off would be dropped off at those designated locations. And if someone hailed an Uber or lyft they would be directed to go to those spots for pickup.

[29:16] Got it. Does that work? Or is that happening anywhere else in town? It is happening all over the country. A lot of cities are doing it to organize it. I think Las Vegas was one of the 1st cities to do it, so that people weren't being stopped, you know, on the strip, and being letting out people and picking up people and and causing huge traffic delays. It's very common around airports. But this, this is really a move that is happening all over the country. We have issues right now in Boulder. When we transition to the downtown where people are getting dropped off on Broadway and the Pearl Street Mall and backing up traffic, we have people getting dropped off for the farmers market on Canyon and causing traffic delay. So

[30:08] in the downtown, you know, we're likely to have probably at least 10, you know, I'm thinking, like probably 10 different places where Uber and Lyft would be designated to drop off, you know, around the corners, on side streets and avoid, you know, stopping traffic on our on our more major roads. Chris is this is this 1st place in Boulder that will be implementing this? Or are there other places in Boulder currently doing. This would be the 1st location in in Boulder to have those designated pickup and drop off locations. Thank you for that. I do know that Red Rocks is doing this currently this season. They've got a whole new thing. If anyone's curious. Let me know. It's it's kind of onerous. Can only be picked up at the bottom of the hill. Yeah. We? We wanna make sure that there's options, I mean, luckily, unill is in a large area. So I think we'll be good with maybe a couple of locations. But I also think you know one of the other issues that I'd like to hear

[31:14] from the you know commissioners. Once we start that engagement process is also, you know. how can we do curbside demand management for special events and and thinking of that as kind of an auxiliary part of this project of not only kind of what is the permanent situation, but when we have special events, how can we create those locations. And if we, you know, I think if we start thinking about that now, it will really help as we move into the Sundance planning, where we'll be very much looking at. How do we control traffic? There's likely going to be street closures and looking at, you know, whole streets that may be dedicated to Ubers, lyft, and limousines.

[32:02] Yeah, wow. Yeah, I think I it was. I think this is the second or 3rd year that Rtd. Didn't go running on the boulder boulder day, and that I mean those those special events, I think, getting the Tnc. Lined up because we used to walk out, or, you know, get on the bus there and back, and now people are like hiding scooters in their juniper trees, which they also shouldn't have in their front lines. Right. Scooters to get to there because you can't. You can't get to the boulder boulder if you especially if you live in a certain town. So I love the idea of this getting more organized. Yeah, and and Uber and Lyft are all on board for it. They want to be good partners. They want to organize. They don't want their drivers stopping midway on a street to let someone off. It really helps the drivers in their safety to have these designated locations where they pick up and drop off, and so they don't have a passenger. Say, just let me off here. They can say No, I'm not allowed to. I'm going to go, you know, 2 more blocks around the corner, and that's where you're going to be dropped off.

[33:18] Works great. It works great-. It works well. That's an example of the special events. Part of it. If you go during the day to Red Rocks. You can get dropped off all over the place, but once they start a show you can only get dropped off or picked up or dropped off 3 locations. Yeah. You can only be picked up at the very bottom line. We experienced that, and it was, you know, it was fine knowing going into it, but it was a surprise to many of us who had. and it doesn't show it on your map, but I'm guessing the Moxie would still be a drop off. Pick up uber location.

[34:00] Yeah, I think we're, we're definitely gonna have to look at that whole area. And you know, I I wasn't aware of the issues with the valet parking and I guess I think it was last week I talked to Chris Jones, and and he was like, No, there are. There are certainly some issues that we wanna address with the valet parking. And you know, really, that's that's, you know, a perfect time to look at. What are some curbside demand management tactics we can use to to remedy that situation and not have traffic backed up, you know, into Broadway. So I would say, you know they're they're an ideal location to have a flexible loading zone. and curbside management, and probably, you know, a designated pickup and drop off locations for Uber and Lyft, because hotels are one of the largest users. you know, in terms of properties of Uber and lyft.

[35:01] Any other questions for Chris. Thank you very much. Chris. Appreciate that. Update. You're quite welcome. I'll I'll be in contact with our liaisons as soon as we have those options. For that 1st consideration. It's awesome. Okay. Take care. Have a great day. Everybody. Thanks. All right. Last, but certainly not least. A conversation that we've started with you all over several meetings talking about. How do we best utilize the 14th Street bot help solve some access challenges and help. So Sam Bromberg, Christine, have been looking at a pilot program and so quick updates. It shall be. We've been working on the Comps to let businesses know about the 35 products that will be available in that parking lot. So one email has gone out. We've been working with the Hill Merchant Association to get

[36:08] those men or get that email list. We've also been hiring an ambassador to go in and talk to every single business. So we have to. So to leave communications behind and let it behind to let people know about the furnace. There should be a second email that's going out. And on the 14.th So not this. not yeah in a week. So on the 14, th which is Monday. We're gonna open up the sales and have that active. So you don't know in advance could be 1st come 1st serve. And so we don't know currently what the demand is, but we will find out. So it's $75 per month to provision. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, so more on that soon. But it's exciting. But we're trying something new. Yeah.

[37:00] you should see new signage going up in that lot shortly to make sure that we don't until they're supposed to be there. Actually perfect. Didn't would it work for the Moxie to buy some of those and and let people self park so they'd have the option of not doing ballet they could pay. I know ballets like 20 bucks a night. We pay $10 a night. That's interesting. I don't know that we've looked into that so we could. Certainly I don't see any reason why we can't look into that at this point I would hate to pull back on 35 permits for businesses if that's what they actually want. But perhaps there's extra space in that lot that well, they would be their business. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, sorry. I didn't know it was 2 for business. Yeah, they could buy 2, and then I don't know, but I don't know. Maybe having self park option. I don't know about all the values I've heard of them.

[38:03] The problem is, you're not gonna have reserve signs for permanents. Right? So if it's. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. And any other questions for Christine. That's exciting. Yeah, thank you. It's been. It's been a work to do all together. So thank you very much doing the heavy lifting just on the fact. So let her know that we really appreciate that. All right. That brings us to matters for Commissioners. We cancel the bi-monthly check in recap. So we talked about the stuff that has been happening. I don't think there's anything that came up. I think it was basically just trying to stay on top of things like the Public Art project sidewalks that had just been small

[39:05] and conversation around having the Multi Commission meeting that's coming up. We should have all received an invitation which has been a poll around that. and make sure the one was aware of that, and they can work out, participate at this point. I don't. I don't know that information. Okay, so if you have not participated, please do participate as soon as possible, because Ellie is waiting on you. Yeah, I think I've seen almost everybody said an important conversation to. Probably I'll even receive dates. Oh, so I'll send it after this call. You're available, I will. Yes. I don't think there was anything else in that view that came up, that we need to try to bring up here something

[40:08] in terms of that multi commission meeting is, do we need to try to put something on the agenda for September to prepare for that meeting. What would you draft agenda. On the agenda. Yeah, for review and comment for the commissions and on and yes, it will be a facilitated sounds good, and wasn't sure if there's anything we wanted to do outside of just receiving the packet as preparation, or if we should come more prepared than what we normally would to our September meeting in advance October. Hmm. So we will. We will let you know. Okay, I appreciate that. Thank you. Is there anything else that anyone has that they would want to bring up for the order here. Mission

[41:00] might take advantage of that. Yes, Chris, please. The staff side. Just you got a preview of where we're headed with our draft budget. I do. There will be more information coming. I want to make sure that there are no surprises in 2 months. When you see the the recommendations for related some things for this year, and things for next year, nothing to share right now, because we are still very much in draft form, but wanted to remind you all our top priority, as Elliott pointed to is the maintain maintaining of essential services. On the hill to make sure that we keep people same and meeting our district obligations when it comes to District fund assets. Beyond that, other things that we do currently fund on the Hill or I think it's like the pay for a 3rd of ambassador program. and it's funded by the general fund, not the District fund.

[42:04] Some other things that we do is the maintenance of the on street marketing stations. And what collection of points from those stations? We also paid for capacity, support all the employees from the district, for those are nice to do's and important to the overall business ecosystem, and especially considering some of the access challenges. On the hill. They're not probably currently our essential services. When it comes to some of the first, st the limited amount of revenue that the district itself brings in and the things that you need to do in support of district own assets. So again, I don't know for sure what we're gonna be seeing final budget when it comes to general fund supported initiatives of the health. But just want to make sure that you all are are thinking about those things as we air materials, and we'll share more detail with you

[43:13] or our September advance of the city's city Council's budget. I appreciate that. I hear you loud and clear. So block stations anything else before we get to just regular scheduled stuff bad. I'm gonna talk about our next meeting today. So our next 5 monthly checking meeting is Tuesday, August 12, and our next commission meeting is Tuesday, September second, I'm gonna bring up. That's the day after Labor Day. Just so. Everyone pay attention to that. If you are going to be out of town, or something like that, virtually please pay attention to that. If we don't have forum, then we we're gonna need to figure out something else, because that's gonna be important.

[44:12] If you are planning to travel, or something like that give a heads up earlier than that. Okay. Alright anything else that we know the order before we get out of here in record time. You guys up, Paul. Good. Ambassador Tom. So this is a great question. I don't have any, you know, in detail updates, but I do know that he's expected to fully recover, but not sure on return to work. But thanks for asking certainly inputs it up their updates.

[45:07] See? That's all. That was a good one. So we are adjourned. Thank you. Thank you. Hi! There! Bye, guys.