August 1, 2023 — University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission Regular Meeting

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[0:00] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Okay, we are now recordings. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: It is 4 40 pm. Welcome to the University of Commercial Area Management Commission meeting. It is Tuesday, August first, and University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Cheryl the Boris virtually. Here. Trent Bush and Rockwell here. and your shoemaker here. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: hey? I'll turn the meeting over to our chair for approval of the minutes. Okay. does anyone have any changes to the minutes as presented? just one typo in My comments about the tap the tab group session.

[1:05] It's missing a P from panel. And I can go back and find that and email that to you. But that's it. That's the only thing I saw, does anybody want to move to approve the minutes? University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Second, second. okay. And do we have any members of the public today? University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I'm here from the homeholder, Jay Hudson upgrade. So okay, Jake, do you want to go ahead and take us through? He'll boulder information? University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Yeah, sure. So we had 2 successful events in the last couple of days. After that. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I, you know, happened after the I put into these updates. So we had a blog party on Saturday. on the Hill Event Street that went really well is called the family Fun block party goal was to

[2:12] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: alright get it. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: you know, take advantage of the summer months when students are gone, and try to get some families up to the hill it worked pretty well, not quite as high a turnout as I had hoped. but still really good. We had a sweet cow ice cream truck. We had a magician, a face painter and a balloon artist. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: About a hundred or so people came through. They were only around like 40 people for the actual magic show, but so still it could turn out based on, you know, the demographic. We're marketing it towards I met just yesterday. We had a business meet up that a couple of you are at at the Fox University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: to introduce the new Ambassador team lead. His name is James Mayfield. So that's another one of my updates. Downtown boulder was able to select a new lead for the Hill Ambassador program

[3:10] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: the previously Mario was in place for about a week or 2 and has moved, I think, elsewhere in the company. But so James is the new point, Guy, for the hill and then current hill hours for the Ambassador program University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: right now. It's Monday through Saturday, 9 Am. To 5 30 pm. but a downtown ambassador can still be called. It is available basically from around 7 to 9 pm. Or so. every day University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: then a couple of more events coming up. I I I'm guessing that the Z 2 radio conference. I didn't actually hear anything about that. Cheryl, is that happening?

[4:00] Yes, it starts tomorrow. So 2 days rather than 3 days, it. It downsized when it came back from Covid. So tomorrow night and Thursday night on the hill there'll be free music on the on the cu parking lot the the events inside the fox are paid. But they see, you lot. Events are free and music starts at 7 30. It's it's typically 2 different acts. and 7, 30 to 9, 30 today and tomorrow I mean tomorrow and Thursday. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Great, thank you. Cheryl and then 3 to 3 boards is doing King of the L again, for I think the third year. that's on August 20 sixth. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: The Sync is having their centennial blog party on September second and see you is hosting a block party in the Cu lot on the 7.

[5:01] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And then the Sync exhibit and film is gonna start screening at the Boulder museum on the eighth. Great. Yeah. It was nice to learn more about the ambassador program and and have some face to face time with them. I think that's gonna be really helpful. And it has been so far. Yeah, I agree all right matters from the staff, and unless there I I can't really see whether there are other members of the public. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So we do. Yes, we do have one member of the public that's raised their hand to speak. So I will go ahead and allow Lynn Siegel to unmute herself now So we get a public comment here, right. that's nice. Yeah. My friend called me the other day she was up on

[6:00] you could. And what is it, you know, by by night, and she was concerned about the size of the Hill Hotel and the reasoning and what I've always thought, but never talked to anyone about the fact that there are 2 hotels, one right across the street from the other. And do you know the capacity of the Hill Hotel and the C. Conference center. I know it has a 15,000 square foot ballroom, but I don't know how many units are supposed to be in it. Do any of you know the numbers on that off the top of your head. I think the the Cu Hill Hotel I mean the the Hill Hotel, one on the west side of the street. The capacity is just under 200. Okay? And do you know what the conference centers proposed to be? See you? I don't want to give you an accurate information. But on the city of Boulder website, there is.

[7:01] information packets about both projects on the city's website. Can you be? Probably, I believe, Jake? Tell me if I'm wrong. But we also have on the Hill Boulder websites an an information packet about the Hill hotel. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Yeah, I just pulled it out. the Hill Hotel is 189 roads, and the Conference Center Hotel is approximately 250 rooms. Wow. huh! That's that is on our website. Yeah, okay, Do you know what it? What the purpose of the 2 is? Is there a different purpose that would either one my friend was wondering about. That is the CEO one, for see you conferences exclusively kind of, and then overflow for the hail hotel, or like what's the what's the game plan here?

[8:00] The the Hill Hotel will take some overflow from some of the larger conferences. I believe the the the limelight to you. Conference center it. It will be attracting conferences that are not specifically 100% of the time cu conferences and and the Hill Hotel. They they built it on that site specifically to have enough room for those lot, larger conferences that they want to bring into the city of Boulder that see you wants to bring in yes, and and the city as well. But he was involved in trying to convince the University to choose that location over a different location. Okay? I, I realized I was up at the Cu and City meeting today at the Law school and

[9:03] Lori call brought up that there was some incidents with some engineering conference participants within the city. Do you know anything about that? Because I forgot to ask her about it. There was some. I mean, I saw I saw Lori yesterday, and she didn't mention it. So I I don't have any information, Lynn. I'm sorry. Okay. I just wondered, since I forgot to ask her about that. You know it was on the fly, and I forgot it. Too many things going on between. See you in the city, of course. yeah, I'm just concerned. And my friend was concerned that the the hotel is taking up a lot of functional space. I mean, it's kind of the baseline development right there by 36 is doing the same thing. It's taking away some businesses. And although it's quote and quote, cleaning up the hill.

[10:05] what? What do we have to sustain? Some of the funk appeal of the hill, you know. On the one hand, you want it. clean it up. On the other hand. that's what's charming about it. I think we're going to say, see? Increased activity. There's a really well thought out. kind of public space that will be in between the 2 structures with the Hill Hotel. that really will be engaging. There'll be you know. I think there'll be some activation. And I think what what our hope is is that a lot of the hotel visitors will come up to the hill commercial core, and that will also encourage other businesses to want to come to the commercial core to open up their businesses and and continue the, you know, unique flavor of of the hill

[11:09] and help those businesses survive with year, with year with year round, you know, diverse traffic. That sounds like a a good plan, Cheryl really helpful to the historic core, and to help lift it up and to bring more people to our lovely little slice of boulder up there on the hill, and we we we hope to see a lot of improvements and more business and public engagement up there. That sounds good. Maybe you can get some media out kind of talking about your game plan so that folks in the area less, you know opposed to it. because that's always helpful, you know, to have good vibes going on about the area.

[12:04] Yeah, I think I think that the good vibes are on on their way. And people. It's it's hard to imagine when you take away. You know the those businesses that many of those businesses were failing and struggling and weren't going to be around long, anyway. so getting ahead of that and and providing it, I think there's going to be a lot of community benefit there. on that space, and it's kind of flow out to the hill. I wonder if there can be any zoning for specific types of businesses on the hill. Is that like I'm gonna propose this for downtown boulder like that. We need a shoe repair store, you know. Instead, we've lost ours. You know the kind of functional things that folks don't want to go a great distance for. And then there's also the food desert. That's the problem up there now that whole foods is closed up on baseline.

[13:07] Is there a plan for that? Because then we lost? Alphas, too. it's I I don't. Yeah, we we work toward business retention, and we have done many surveys, asking people what they want to see up on the hill. And I I hear you. I mean, I've been around on the hill for 30 years, so But that information is great. If you if you know any folks who have great ideas for small businesses. There are empty spaces up there, and they are more reasonable than downtown spaces. That's a good sign. so so spread the word. We would love to see Shoe repair up on the hill. Oh, he does. Thanks, thank you. Len. Did you have anything else before we move on with our agenda. No, go right ahead.

[14:04] Alright. Thank you so much. All right. matters from the staff. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: All right. thank you, madam. Chair we have up first. Chris Hagglin is here to provide an update to you all on the line. Yes. Can everybody hear me? Yeah, that's all right. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you for having me Commissioners. I'm excited to provide you with a update on our Lyme scooter expansion that is happening quite soon. I'm going to share my screen real quick. I have never been on one. I you know I haven't either.

[15:00] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Absolutely all right now we got it. Thank you. you know, I just need to. There we go. all right. so just to give you a little recap on on Lyme and our pilot program that we did in 2,022 we had a very successful pilot program we started off with 200 scooters. there are certain triggers that they met to increase that fleet during the pilot period. So we ended up with about 288 scooters. We had over 115,000 trips. Most of those trips were just over a mile in length

[16:01] and on average, we had the scooters used about 1.5 times per day and the good news is we only had 4 reported serious injury crashes no fatalities, and only for serious injury crashes, which was great, because that really was the concern of staff about the the use of scooters and their their operation within our city. I think a couple of things lended. It's you know. Help that situation. One. The pilot was only east of 20 Eighth Street. so there was a limited service area, but also there was a beginner mode. So the first time you checked out the scooter the scooter was limited in speed. And and we like that because we did look at all the national statistics about crashes and injuries and a high percentage of the crashes and serious injury. Crashes typically occurred on someone's first ride. And you know, if you look at the vendor diagram, first ride plus

[17:05] being drunk was was usually part of that serious injury. So we also had a curfew of 11 pm. So really trying to eliminate that. So we are very pleased and really based on that council said, you know, go ahead and expand city wide. And that was that happened in January. And so since January, the city staff has been working with Lyme. I'm looking at what that approach to moving city wide would be. we know this is going to be an iterative process. It's going to be a phase process we're not gonna get it right the first time in terms of all our Geo fencing, and where the scooter parking is. So it's gonna take some time to get it right and and figure out based on use based on trip generators. And where we see, we need to have additional parking and things like that

[18:03] right now. The timing for the launch is mid to late August more on the later side. I just had a meeting with Lyme, and they are hoping to launch prior to see it. See you starting and around, perhaps the 20 first of August. just today I got news that Cu has approved the operation of blind scooters on their campus. So up until today we did not know if see you was gonna allow them on campus, but they are. they're gonna be allowed on campus for as we expand city wide, the city is going to maintain the 11 Pm. Curfew. However, part of the message we heard today from Cu is that they are not going to have the curfew on their campus. They want the scooters to operate 24, 7. So the city is going to look at that. again. The curfew is really about preventing. you know, intoxicated riding of scooters.

[19:06] What Lyme has done is that they have developed 2 different things that The city could think about one is, they could say the curfew could apply only in certain areas of the city so they could Geo fence certain areas and say, the curfew applies here, but not in other areas. So if you know the Hill Commission was concerned. we could set a curfew area around the hill area, or you know, if the downtown Commission thought that was the case downtown, we could establish a curfew in a Geo fenced area there as well. We had a originally told line. We're gonna wait until 2024 to reevaluate the curfew situation. But given. See? Use change today. we may look at that sooner. but again, it's it's really our concern is main safety.

[20:03] The the second thing they have to curb intoxication and riding and and injuries. That result is that they can employ a sobriety test. So this is a a test that is on your phone, that after a certain time any user would be required to take. And it basically tests your reaction speed of tapping things on your phone. I do not know if this has been approved by any you know. Third Party Medical Association or Law Enforcement Association. So I'm asking for some additional information on that test itself. But. the city at this point we'll maintain the 11 Pm. Curfew, but we are going to be looking at it. really, the the really cool thing about the scooters. And the technology that we have is the ability to do these Geo fenced areas. one of the Geo fenced areas is our our equity zone. So those are in purple on the screen. These are areas where trips that start or end in those areas happen at a reduced price.

[21:18] And people who live in those areas and who qualify well, anybody city-wide who qualifies for their low income program can also have a reduced rate. But these equity equity zones are where we are requiring lyme to have 15 of their fleet at all times available to the people in these equity zones, and their use is at a reduced cost. Other types of Geo fencing we have are no go zones. So these are areas where scooters are just not allowed to operate, they will slowly shut down and lock if the scooter crosses that Geo fence. So that's everything on the outside of the city limit. So all the open space trails, and we've been working with open space and mountain parts to make sure that scooters won't be able to go on the open space trails, but it also applies to things like Pearl Street, Mall cemeteries, ball fields, certain parts that parks and Breck want it to be no go zone, so that scooters will not be allowed to operate.

[22:24] Another type of Geo fence is the slow zone. So a slow zone is a Geo fence that once the scooter enters it, it slows down from the Max speed of 15 miles an hour, and they can be either set at 8, 10, or 12 miles an hour. 8 is from what I hear from a a lot of people in the industry and in Denver, who are also doing the same thing right now is that 8 is pretty slow, and and sometimes people have a hard time maintaining their balance at only 8 miles an hour. So we're looking at trying some slow zones at the 10 and 12 miles an hour, and then see how they are. If we need people to slow down. If we, you know.

[23:05] you know they're in a 12 mile per hour zone, they need to slow down more. We can consider moving that back down to 10. One of the slow zones proposed in Uni Hill would be Thirteenth Street, where we would want to have a slow zone. There, you know, in front of, like the fox and the sink. there are also no parking zones. So these are areas where you're just not allowed to end your trip. and you will be told the user will be told they're not allowed to end their trip. So some of these are on our multi-use path system, where we don't want to see scooters just parked, you know. all over our multi-use path system, blocking it and and things like that. so. But we've got a some of those no parking zones The thing that's really gonna affect areas like the hill is our final Geo fencing technology. And that is the mandatory parking zone. So a mandatory parking zone is where a scooter user enters that, and if they try to end their trip within that geoense they will be instructed to the nearest lime grove. So that is the the term we're using for a live.

[24:18] I'm parking area. So I think it was. Yes, on this. Here's a shot of a lime grove. Very simple delineators, lime, paint, logo, and this is where people will be instructed to park their Lyme scooters if they're ending their trip in one of these mandatory parking zones. Essentially University Hill. the commercial area and a little bit of the the neighborhood around it is a mandatory parking zone. So within that mandatory parking zone we are looking at all different line grows. You'll be able to get this presentation. I've already sent it to Lisa. and if you look at the bottom of this, there's a hyperlink to the proposed map. This is a a link to a Google map that you can look at and zoom in and see in any area of the city that you want and where we're currently using these different types of Geo fencing technology.

[25:21] this is kind of focused in on the hill itself. And so the blue is the mandatory parking zone the the red is no go zones. The yellow is the slow zone on Thirteenth Street, and the purple markers are where we're proposing to have these lime grows. So these dedicated parking areas. And I've listed some of these here. you can certainly go on to the map and look at them and zoom in and see where they are.

[26:00] currently Lyme has submitted revocable permit applications for these Lyme groves. Our city's transportation operations team is reviewing them right now. I think they've completed most of the review for the downtown line groves they're working on all of the University Hill ones right now, so we may see some changes. All of the proposed lime groves at this point are above the curb on the sidewalk, utilizing concrete space that we think will not impede pedestrian traffic and are usually typically also located to where we have currently have bicycle parking as well. There may be some need in some of the more residential areas for lime groves that would need to be below the curve. We know that the sidewalks in in many of our residential areas on the hill are our narrow older sidewalks. So we may based on,

[27:10] you know, information on usage. And you know, if we have problems with improperly parked scooters, we may have to think about, where do we need additional line groves, and in those residential situations we may have to think of, do we need to pour a concrete pad if we want it above Corb? Or can we use like the corners of some streets where parking isn't allowed of a vehicle parking that we could use. Some lime grow. So again, it will be an issue. We'll we'll see, you know where our problem starts are, and then we'll adjust and and look at that. And but you know we will certainly want to hear any input that the Commission has and what they hear about. as we launch this city wide.

[28:04] also just to recap on some of the rules about scooter use. So this. This is all based on ordinances that the City Council passed last year. That scooters are supposed to be ridden on streets and in bike lanes they're not supposed to be in our dismount zones on sidewalks. The the places where scooter users can ride on the sidewalk is where there is not an adjacent bike lane or bike facility of some type, and they are not in a dismount zone. So sidewalk riding is allowed. But it's just in places where you don't have these types of facilities. And with that I'd like, you know, any feedback questions that the Commission has. And as specifically, you know, on our current Geo fencing plan for the University Hill area. But thank you for your time. Really appreciate it.

[29:24] and I can go back to the map if you want to look at the map. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I just have one question on slow zones of why University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: College Avenue? Between what? 12.14 lot of what? Why was that? Not considered a slow zone like 13 blocks. we. We did consider it that was really based on you know, limes recommendation. But if that is a concern or something that you would like. We can certainly change that, you know. I'm sure you are aware more of the pedestrian activity that that's there. and you know, we can make any of those changes. It's it's really not difficult to add a Geo fence. And if there's a concern about college. We can add that as this additional slow zone kind of make it a T slow zone.

[30:17] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: it it seems like it would make sense, I mean, especially with the. There's a University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Crosswalk or Starbucks between Starbucks and and Walgreens. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and that University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: it's already hard enough with cars University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and pedestrians, because it's a major pedestrian crossing, and I could just imagine scooters fine kind of unimpeded down that area. Just seems like that. That seems like it would make sense University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: what? What? Cross street it's. It's 14, I mean, Fourteenth and Broadway are kind of this. They kind of connect right there right? And then 12, University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I believe. Yeah, 12 to the other side. I don't know. I mean, that's just funny. It's it's really just the to business district, right? It's just the

[31:05] yeah, no, that. No, that's that's great feedback. And we can do that. you know. And that's the good thing about it. With these Geo fences literally, they can be changed overnight. so it it's not difficult. And you know, and if any other areas start looking like a problem. we can add more. But I have you engaged with the the the hotel that's about to open? Will there be any? Is that as have they requested that that be a spot where, the scooters are not dropped, especially with that corridor between the building. Yeah, so I haven't spoken them directly, but I have talked to city other city staff in our planning and development services that we will likely need to have slow zones and extend the mandatory parking zone to make sure that it covers that whole area and then work with them on identifying a couple of line growth locations. but I haven't talked to the developers. themselves directly.

[32:17] but it. It's certainly in our, in our in our mind. For when when it opens well, thanks, Chris, for this update, it's just it's so interesting the technology and and what you how you can manage these the lime scooters. Does anybody else have any other questions? University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I have a quick question, Chris. Broadway as it heads if you're heading north on Broadway, going up and cresting the hill, and then you go due north. There is that a no go zone for scooters. Are you forced into the bike pad? The reason I ask that is that it's a pretty busy section for cars, and if if you're supposed to be running on the road, that could be a section where we want to encourage people by

[33:07] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: basically making it evident you should not be on the road here. It's it's dangerous enough. We get bikers through there all the time. They think they they should just stick in the middle of Broadway. And it just creates hazards. Yeah, the one thing, the one problem with Geo fencing technology is that you know, it's not a hundred percent accurate. There's, you know, sometimes a plus or minus 10 feet. If there's high buildings around, it could be a plus, or Brian is 2030 feet, depending how it is, so it may be difficult to just put a very small no go zone but we we certainly, you know, we have the same conversation about Broadway and Pearl Street and making Broadway a no go zone. And I was like, you know, I just can't see people writing a scooter on Broadway. like on the street on Broadway, heading towards Pearl Street, like from Canyon, But there may be people who do it, you know, but hopefully. That's where they do go on the sidewalk. They would be permitted on the sidewalk, because there's not a Jason bike facility. let me let me look at that area and see what Lyme proposes. You know they they. They deal with these types of situations in every city that they operate in.

[34:21] And they're really expanding their system in Denver. And I can see you know. What is it that we can do to, you know? Make sure that people are riding safely and not on streets with high speed and high high volume traffic. Thank you, Chris. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: make prescribed common sense. Yeah. Well, then, about it's easier said than done. Mr. Jones. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: is there a test for that on the phone? Yeah, that's that's part of the sobriety test. Actually along that point. One quick question is, is writing and scooter, is it in to you? I security talks to I.

[35:03] You know they're classified as a vehicle. You can get a dui on a bicycle. I have to check that. But I would say the way in which we've classified them as electric vehicles, I think yeah, I think it would. But I'll I'll I'll just confirm that with our city attorney's office University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: it might be night. I don't know if the app tells you if that's a possible risk. But I could just see University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: somebody showing up. That's a freshman, you know. Shouldn't be drinking, but dead, and ends up in serious trouble because they didn't know. I don't know. I just it feels. Yeah, yeah. I I guess. kind of in line. Do you? Does this commission have any opinion on. the curfew.

[36:04] It seems reasonable to me. I I think that students do start moving around at 10 at night kind of is when when you start seeing a fair amount of movement, back and forth to downtown and the hill and around the district. I don't know what anybody else sees at night. But you know, typically the student population is is kind of calling, studying and an end and starting their socializing around that time. So I I think 2 things. I think there's probably some partying going on. So not, you know. Maybe it's it's not great to go after 110'clock, but I do see transportation

[37:02] needs you know. Maybe after 110'clock. But it's it sounds like the university. If they don't have any curfew. certainly, for those that are studying. they can get around campus. as needed. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Yes, so, Chris. Real question. There, I I think that it. It's reasonable. 11 pm. But with the University not having a curve, you may be helpful to understand what the boundaries of that curve you are. Are we talking. The main campus. Are we talking between Willville and the main campus? Both? I believe it is the main campus, and east campus is where they would not have a curfew. But you're kind of, because the city has a curfew. You're kind of would be on an island. So Lyme's concern is that they're gonna have to do a lot of rebalancing

[38:03] of scooters because they're gonna be at the edges of campus. you know, all piled up, you know if people are writing them after 11. you know, Lyme really really wants us to get rid of the curfew and and to employ the sobriety test that. That's what they really want. I think, you know, from Staff's perspective, we are still just concerned. You know, we have safety concerns about it. But I'm interested in the sobriety test. I just like to see a third party evaluation of it. you know, like an accredited institute or something to to say, yes, this is effective in weeding out people that are intoxicated and should not be riding. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: May I pose a question for the Commission related to this? Our multi model transportation options after our is important to achieving the goals of the Commission.

[39:08] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: particularly when our Pd. Service is no longer operating University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: within the limits of safety. That's competing consideration. Right? So would a University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: sobriety test on the app appease any security related or safety related. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: concerns when it comes to providing multi mobile transportation options when less might be available. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Sounds like there's study might be necessary in terms of the effective from my perspective, the effectiveness and University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: being the father of University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: to college students the ability of them to get their friends who are still working quickly. And University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I'm just asking your question, because, you know, there are certainly people who are going to use mobility devices intoxicated. But there is also a challenge when it comes to late night employees. Not so much on the University of right now, because we don't allow things to stay open very

[40:14] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: after 11. So Just wanna think about how other folks who might be behaving appropriately might not be able to use the transportation device as a result of our safety approach. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: That might be the other safety. I I will add that, you know, having. and I know that we have lighting in the neighborhood, in the in the residential section. But you know, sometimes walking home later in the dark, feels less safe. And I I would almost see that yeah, drinking or or imbibing in general aside, it does feel like it's a safer way to get home from other parts of the city

[41:12] after 110'clock. But then there's also Uber, so University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I I guess another question it's consistent with that is, you know. Chris may know the answer. This I feel like we might have addressed the downtown older, but that is the How is the bike any different? University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Right? I mean, if they're riding those spikes, and it's the accident rate higher in the in the injury made higher with scooters and in drive a bike without taking a sobriety test or after the curfew. Right? Yes, that that is another one of lines. arguments with the city is that? there, there's no such curfew with B cycle. Well, I I would say. Line probably has a little more liability than an individual riding your own bike. So I I would think they would want to occur for you a little more. But maybe it's counterintuitive to

[42:10] what they're trying to achieve. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I think it'll be really interesting to hear what happens with the university moving forward that it that I'm not having a curfew, maybe something for us to pay a lot of attention to, and what those numbers start looking like, because that could be really valuable information. The hills right next to a Yo curve you out across the street. So it turns out that this is something that is safe, and is the numbers bearing that out. We may be able to use the hill as a way of expanding that. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: But If it turns out the other way out, it could be really a great cautionary, the data for us to be paying attention to. Yeah. And and, Ted, I can show you that. you know, we work every day with this lime expansion, with with Cu staff, Clark and Brandon and Tom Mcgann. And you know. So we we will monitor it. We will look at it, and we will, you know, work together on assessing the situation to make sure that you know we we can balance safety with you.

[43:12] with with multimodal options. I think that's that's the key is the balance. Okay? Anyone else have comments or questions. And and Chris, did you get the information you were. Yes, yes, yeah. I'm certainly gonna look at that slows on a look at that Broadway area follow up with the Cu conference center, and then also the Dui question. So I'll I'll do those. Follow ups all right. Thanks so much, Chris. All right. Thank you for your time. Okay, moving on to the proposed budget for 2024. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Okay, I I apologize, Cheryl. but I have. I've got a I let the staff know, but I've got to leave at 5 30 today. My apologies. But I just throw out 2 questions

[44:03] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: for the future discussions here and and staff can University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: into them with the rest of the Commissioners, and or, you know, by email, later, or whatever whatever it's convenient for folks. The one is I I see in the in the proposed budget this 2.5 million dollar expenditure in 2,025 University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and I've got It's not clear to me, and maybe it's not clear to staff, either what it's for. I mean, in terms of it says we're gonna spend the money to re- revitalize the Fourteenth Street lot. But it's almost like a placeholder, because nobody knows what we're going to do with that lot. So just University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I, I throw that out. It worried me when I saw 3.5 million dollars disappearing like that. The other Is that University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I I saw, and the folks that I've put in my concern as well about this. we got in the city the memo to Council. There's a reference of regulatory issues, and one of them is the moratorium on student housing and and I understand that you know, there's that economic planning system study. So my, my senses is that

[45:19] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: this was giving. You know, Council needs to address that study and figure out, hey? That's something we still want to pursue, although the tap panel as I read the tap proposals. It was, we want to increase diversity on the hill, and we want and we've got this faculty concept, perhaps. But there was no suggestion of University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: of actually making the hill sort of, you know, adding student housing to the hill itself. except there's this weird thing in the tap presentation. I noticed it that night, too. It says, eliminate moratorium and liquor and cannabis. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: but they never anywhere to talk about the the the student housing issue. It? Did the moratorium apply to the liquor moratorium? Or was it a more general? All.

[46:12] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I believe the Tabs recommendations were strictly to the rules, however, faculty housing, there would be implications with the current housing work. But I don't know that that their recommendations, one that that is, something that needs to be done district. Right? So I've been a couple of things out there anyway, just to like folks knowing in my apologies, I believe early today is, it's in University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: yeah. So thanks everyone. Thanks, Andrew. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: all right. With that we will hand it over to Teresa. People who will go over the proposed 2,024 budget for and specifically use it.

[47:02] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: All right. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: just quickly. Kind of an overview of things we'll talk through is again revisiting the role of responsibility as a commission looking at top priority reviews the accomplishments, and then we'll dive into an overview of the 2,024 budget holiday for the Community vitality department. So it's getting into the details for you, Jen, and then look at any feedback for questions and those suggested motion language for support of that budget. So jumping right and just wanted to kind of review what some of the rules. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Sorry about that. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So this is coming from the the statute language, so obviously providing general parking program, writing, parking, pedestrian, multi-modal access, and so that could include, or in an off street, parking facilities, acquisition at least of land for improvements. other incidental facilities to improve parking paying attention to the pedestrian vice-

[48:06] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: as well as the general landscaping and the feel of the hill. we want to make sure that there's University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: improvements that are increasing attractiveness and welcoming environment of the hill. And then incentives to increase multiple transportation to and from the hill. and I've been obviously maintenance of all of those assets University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: as we've looked at the University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: different priorities, we've identified safety and cleanliness on the hill as a huge priority, looking at commercial area revitalization opportunities, looking at developing and enhancing some of those strategic partnerships with different issues, including Cu, Dp, and others. looking at, creating the hills of destination and making sure that it stays on the map. And then, obviously, our consideration for the You should fund health University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and making sure that it's in a good place to continue to provide this great services. over the last year we've had a lot of actually really great exciting things happening. we were able to finalize the whole landscaping project. So that's the bottom left phone. we've got some new

[49:14] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: plan. Your beds as well as new trees that have been included. the Hill older website went live with some really great information and some of the events popping up and actually being a great resource. Now, We did a great job and pulling off our you all it health, grant! University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And then looking at the information that's coming out of that as we go to council here in about a week. We've also had an expansion of the ambassadors on the hill in partnership with the outcome of the partnership. Excuse me with could see you and being able to contribute some additional funding for that. And then we've also designated some arpa funding to really focus in on commercial area activations and looking at ways for the business community and bring some life back to the hill.

[50:01] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: It's a lot of great work happening. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: as we look at the overall budget process. I know we kind of went through this together. but right now we're in the see city by budget development, slash council, review and adoption case which really leads into kind of our prioritization from a commission standpoint that then we have building those priorities into the department work plan, making sure that we're being strategic and our planning as we go throughout the year. And right now we're sitting University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: here. It's kind of crazy already into August. but so kind of following on this timeline and the end of July, where we do have our executive budget team reviewing budget proposals. Currently I'm preparing to go to council here in about a month since September. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and again, we've had some exciting and unique changes to the department as a whole, so just providing some insight for community vitality. we are phones, and for general improvement districts with the cage of us, and then the tuple conjunction general improvement districts. We also recently had the arts and culture and special events for groups join us, and so some of the funding is coming from the general fund.

[51:13] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And then we also have arc of funds that obviously I'm reading. This is in charge on helping here in the bill. and then the committee culture. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And as we look at the primary revenues and expenses across community vitality, obviously parking revenue is the primary driver. within those 4. General, we do have it. The no levy associated with each. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: we've got least spaces in Cajun specific ownership tax other revenues. And then our and our expense side. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: obviously driving, force their personnel to implement all these great programs operating some internal services which are going to be helping to fund our computer replacement programs and different things like that as well as that service that actually, the department has only one outstanding Deb that actually retires this month. So that's exciting. And then our capital and transfers.

[52:15] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So over all within community vitality. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: we have a site, a proposed slide decrease in our operating budget prior to capital up. A lot of it has to do with our transition to date. With that we that transition some, some of our existing service contracts will no longer be necessary with this new technology. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: you can see we do have some lofty aspirations in our capital and department, where we see a pretty big increase which is driving the total 7.5% increase on our total of operating budget. and we'll get into some of the specific capital projects here in a moment. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: some of the general enhancements that we're looking at from a department wide level is looking at bringing in a new board specialists to help support all of the boarding commission works that we do with all of you to make sure that we're getting you the best support necessary, and then with the expansion of our department to include special events and culture. We also picked up the Arts Commission

[53:20] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and just want to provide adequate support staff, and that is with the intent to repurpose the existing full time employee session. That was part of our customer service team. we're also looking to expand our special events. program right now, it's a mighty University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: might be team of one. And so we're looking for some additional support there University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and then on the arts and culture side. They're looking to update the community cultural plan. we're advocating for like in an extension of the downtown investor program and and proposed that as an ongoing expenditure. And then we've done a lot of great work with our access management, parking strategy

[54:03] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: for everything from performance based pricing to the different neighborhood parking permanent programs. And so we asked to continue that funding on, as it means continuing monitoring and evaluation. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And as we dive into the Us. Budget specific, lady. Some of the big things I'll highlight is. We have asked the proposed for an increase in the transfer from the general fund, and that has some variation over the last few years with Covid. So in 2,023, we're approved at 270,000, we are looking to increase that to 350,000, if possible. just some slight and adjustments. You'll notice on the parking revenue. Component. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: we're looking at actual receive. We're projecting a 77% increase which is favorable. I think there was some questions to the performance of the Fourteenth Street law, and what implications of the plus street lot. I'm no longer being in use. But so we're hopeful that those parking revenue trends will continue and be a great support to the, to the, to the district.

[55:10] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: there's been a slight decrease in the protection for property tax, and partly that was just a realignment down to neat, actual, and then a little bit of a bump up to consider, and the property tax that will be generated from the Help Hotel, and I would anticipate as we go into the 2,025 budget. That's where we'll see those the implications of the hell hotels. completion. affecting our property tax revenue. So we're looking forward to that University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: on the expense side. we're seeing some projections increasing on our personal side. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: just as the product of overall wages, and on the operating side, projecting a little bit of a decrease. And again, one of the things we're really working on now is to evaluate where the expenses are, making sure that we're being University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: as as as responsible as we can with the you did fund And so that comes down to the staff level and making sure that we're attributing costs in the districts. we're like decreased there.

[56:15] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: you know, in the capital line. We do have a $15,000 allocation. And that's the processor consulting program. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: that will aim is $75,000. Total contribution across all of the districts, and looking at where opportunities are for connectivity across all of the districts, and making sure that we have a unified front University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: as we move forward. the total breakdown. Obviously the transfer from the general plan is really driving. the majority of the proposed revenue for the you to budget our personnel expenses, our largest expense and all of those operations.

[57:01] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: if I did want to jump in to, we've kind of already talked through this so I won't spend a lot of time here. but did want to. Just bring us back to the capital. I will note. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and I. I do appreciate the comment about the Fortune Street lot redevelopment. We're in an interesting place where the budget proposals are due prior to the Ui tech, and prior to our opportunity to go and visit with Council and so it it is a placeholder in many ways, as we seek direction on where there's council, and the Commission would like to go as far as reinvestment of those street funds. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And, as I mentioned, across this. Your consulting is the other big project that is going to be touching. But you just fund and I believe the packet did include some of these other capital improvement projects primarily happening within the cated just because we look to maintain a lot of the parking infrastructure and assets there.

[58:02] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: so that were there any questions that I can address for you all? Bye. don't have any questions, and I'm just gonna look back at my notes here. no, I don't have any questions. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Great As part of I might see. Just to go back to Commissioner Shemakers. questions about the 2.5 million. Yes, it is a placeholder that was programmed several years ago. before we started going down these University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: having these other conversations. So just because it's identified in in a capital program doesn't mean that it doesn't still generate interest revenue for the fun. It's just right now. It's targeted to a project that was envisioned a number of years ago. if if it's decided, we want to go a different direction, certainly have complete capacity to do that

[59:17] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: great. And so we have provided some suggested motion language. it. Commission is council, or recommending approval of the proposed 24 budget, including the 2024 to 29 capital plan. and or 10 to do you have any. I I guess. as far as the proposed budget, including 2024 through 2029 capital improvement plans. the on the the hill. This is the Fourteenth Street lot. I'm trying to think back to the to the packet. That was the only proposal.

[60:06] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Actually, no. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So that's already approved. In previous cip budgets the one change is the 25. Is it 25? This cross district consulting. So this is. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: that's the new. That's the new capital. proposal. Okay. so as far as language goes. Cheryl, if you will, I will move to recommend the approval of the 2,024 community vitality proposed budget, including the 22 or 2029 Capital Improvement plan. I was just about to read that. And I second

[61:02] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: discussion about this. No discussion. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: all right, can we? I mean, we we had 2 s. So, although I did, I did here, The second over here? But well, maybe it was the gap in the but maybe that's I. But it's I presume, that we have unanimous approval. with all of that. So We can let the minutes reflect to unanimous. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: All right, let's move on. Now then, thank you so much, Teresa, for all your University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: on the budget. Let's move now over to Reagan. She is working very hard on getting ready for our study session with Council which is a week from Thursday, where we are going to be daylighting a lot of the experiences and conversations that we've been having, and you can't see, we're having issues and challenges on the hell and where we want to be going. So we're really looking forward to being able to take that to counsel in a formal

[62:03] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: way, and having the community be more aware of the things that we've all been talking about and facing for some time. So Regan's here. let me, I need to make sure you can share your screen. Okay? I actually, I think I can. Book. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Oh, yeah, you already you are, you should be able to already. This is her first run at this presentation that she's been preparing for council. There will be some additions made because they did not participate in the the ula tab. Not all of them participated in that. So we are doing some preparation for next for the Council meeting. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: but also looking forward to getting your feedback, and we'll be including that in the Council meeting presentation as well. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So with that over to Regan University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: because of zoom, I can't click on the presentation. That's present. Button.

[63:01] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Oh, there we go University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: now, there we go. Okay. But now I can't see my notes. So there we go. All right. Just minimize zoom. Okay? So yeah. As Chris mentioned, we're going to council next week. for a study session, providing an update and receiving Council feedback University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: on revitalization efforts within us it. And so this is for the most part the presentation that I will be delivering next week, just addressing it to council rather than you can see. But Any any and all feedback is is welcome. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: We'll do the agenda really quick, so I'll be posing just some guiding questions that I'd all that I'd like you all to think about as I run through the presentation, and I'll post the same questions to council. as well. So just keep them in mind as I run through this presentation. Here they are here. So

[64:00] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: number one, as you can see, support Staff's recommendation to prioritize the development of a broad district. Wide improvement strategy in advance of exploring specific redevelopment options for the Fourteenth Street lot. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: as you can see which to direct staff to explore code changes in the upcoming annual work plan that are specific only to within you it. And then, as you can see, you have any questions about the. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So let's dive into the background, and this will include a general background of the history of you. It some key issues that we base today past plans and studies and kind of trying it all together. Why are we talking this work now? University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So of course, the focus is on university health, formerly known as usual, which is full of unique history and unique characteristics, especially given its proximity to university. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: You did, and some of the key sites within the district that I'll be referencing can be seen here on the map on the left hand side of the slide. It's a neighborhood that connects the large student life and residential community to a dynamic commercial district.

[65:13] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Us. It was established in 1,970, at the request of property owners who wanted to tax themselves in order to purchase the land that provide customers with additional parking spaces. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: One of those parcels of land is the Fourteenth Street surface parking lot that Fourteenth Street himself, college App. Is the only remaining general Improvement district owned lot in the commercial district. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: You just recently sold it other parking asset in 2021, the Pleasant Street lot to facilitate the development of the Hell Hotel, which, of course, significantly reduce the number of parking public parking spots on the hill, as well as reduce the operating revenue for you, Jed. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and, as many of us know, there are several new developments underway on the hill which include the hotel and the Cu Conference center. The size and scope of these projects will certainly have an impact on the commercial district.

[66:10] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: however, even in the face of this rapid development and growth, you. It has experienced a state of economic stagnation for the past several decades, which is really only been exacerbated by the pandemic. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: It's become a place where community members have expressed concerns of feeling unsafe. Access to a diverse business mix is limited, and connectivity to and from downtown and within the district is challenging. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So in summary, our role is to formulate strategies that will generate positive and lasting economic impact and complement the new developments that are under way. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So you should have a set of ordinances that are unique in comparison to the rest of the city. Those key regulations are displayed here on this slide. I'll start with the one on the left

[67:02] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: due to concerns with alcohol over consumption. City Council adopted older revised Co. 9, 6 5 B. In October 2,013, which requires at least 50 of any eating places. Sales on the hill must be from the sale of food, and there's no requirement. related to this and the rest of the city University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and establishment establishments must close no later than 11 Pm. Which is 2 am. To the rest of the city. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and it is important to know that no businesses on the hill are open past 11 Pm. Unless they have closed altogether or adjusted their operating hours? Or is it? 1010 Pm. Chris. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: 10. Pm. No. So no restaurants, brew pups, or taverns today, even those that we're grandfathered in. There are no remaining restaurants, fruit props, or taverns that remain open after 10 pm.

[68:02] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And then on the right hand side. So in 2,015, all the revised Code 9 6, 3 B. Was adopted to address the concern that the economic environment strongly favor student rental housing within Egypt, making it difficult for other diverse land uses to compete in the marketplace, and posing a threat to the vibrancy of the commercial district. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So in August 2,014, Council passed a temporary moratorium, which was then extended in 2,015, and subsequently changed to restrict all new housing on the hill to be permanently affordable. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And so, in summary current regulatory conditions create, do create a more restrictive environment compared to the rest of the city, and we heard from many businesses regarding some of particularly the regulations on the left hand side. that this is, in fact, fairly difficult to achieve, because the restaurant industry does, of course, rely heavily on the sale of a call.

[69:05] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Safety has been an ongoing challenge within you, and the broader hill area with over 30 years of intermittent violence. primarily due to crowd and party behavior. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: the Hillary Investment working group, which was formed in 2,015 through a hill rentalization or reinvestment strategy to it to identify funding and other mechanisms for ongoing improvements on the hill. That's place significant attention and resources to the issue of safety. Through various mechanisms and outreach. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: However, the commercial district still struggles with several challenges related to safety and crime. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Local business owners have expressed their frustrations around certain behaviors occurring from their storefronts and elsewhere in the commercial district, including panhandling, loitering, drug use, etc. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: A recent effort to try to mitigate these challenges include, see you contributing an additional $45,000 annually to expand the ambassador program on the health.

[70:09] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and for those who don't know, ambassadors provide cleaning, safety and hospitality services downtown and on the hill. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and it's not on this slide, but it's also important to know. And I know Teresa outlined them earlier. But some other recent efforts, landscaping efforts at the intersection of thirteenth in Pennsylvania, as well as a lot of coordination with the hill boulder on activations and business support and retention efforts not necessarily directly related to safety, but definitely ties into a general improvement efforts within the district. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So even with these recent efforts, there are still opportunities for additional improvements to be made. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: you should find health. There is limited capacity to fund general improvements with you in property tax revenues which amount to significantly less than our other special districts.

[71:03] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: you did, relies heavily on the general fund and contracts to the city's other special districts. The General Fund transfer offsets you. It expenses related to general fund activities, such as the eco-pass program and the administration and maintenance of the on street meter programs. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Several trade offs are to be considered related to the reinvestment of the Pleasant Street Watch sale proceeds the lead reinvestment of the funds which are currently in savings earning interest only perpetuates the limited access due to the decrease in parking spaces and redevelopment of the Fourteenth Street lock, which can ultimately, if we develop results in additional property tax revenue, retail lease and or parking revenue. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: However, according to the current budget, assumptions and use of those savings in 2,025, which I know we mentioned is a placeholder. It would ultimately see a negative. We would see negative fund balance by 2,027.

[72:03] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So any revitalization strategies really need to take these trade offs into consideration. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Business retention challenges. So the commercial district and business environment on the hill caters heavily to the student population and has struggled for decades to attract a diverse mix of businesses University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: as it stands today. There is a 14 commercial vacancy rate and the business mix is depicted here on the right hand side of the slide. As you can see, there are several restaurants, but also personal care, services, convenience, stores, retail, such as smoke and skate shops. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: again, really heavily catering to that student population, and there have been several closures over the past year, including a lot of well known businesses. Rosenberg's the dumpling Dolly sherry soda shop, which was only open for a few months, that a call bossly pizza.

[73:08] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So, as we all know, you should have been the focus of several studies over the years, many of them outlined here on this slide. I'll briefly touch on each of them in case you're unfamiliar. and they're all in the document in the memo as well linked in your packet. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So the University Hills some area plan. This is a sketch plan undertaken in 1,996 to build a mission for the community based on needs around public safety, connectivity and economic growth. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: We did a ui tap in 2,011 with the purpose of assessing revitalization strategies for the district in which recommendations fall into various categories, such as governance and programming. But this is, of course, over a decade ago, and many changes have occurred since then, so it is a bit outdated, but useful to build upon

[74:01] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: 2,017 Central Broadway award design framework. This is a guiding document recommending urban signed improvements along Broadway including how to better connect downtown to the hill. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and then recently the Eps Fourteenth Street locked feasibility study conducted in 2,021, which recommended a primary strategy of pursuing that market rate housing option, which, of course, spaces important limitations. Given the current regulatory environment. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And then, most recently, in June, the 2,023 ui tap opportunity which I will outline several of the recommendations later in the presentation. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So sort of tying it all together. It's important to understand why we're here now. And why are we tackling this work now based on feedback received as a result of the Eps work staff primary advice engaging with the tap once again. back in June to assess broader strategies for the district.

[75:11] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I understand that a lot of the previous efforts they're either outdated or took a very narrow focus on specific elements of the district. So revisiting broad strategies seemed appropriate. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and, as I mentioned, the district has continuously start struggled with some of these economic and social challenges that I've outlined from business retention to safety and crime. These are challenges that really need prioritizing. At this point University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: we see an opportunity to invest in strategies that complement the new development underway rather than waiting to see how these developments will impact the district. Let's leverage them as an opportunity to be proactive and implement strategies that will be complementary to them. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And ultimately it's time to act in time to respond to the increasing community. Community desire to see positive change in a neighborhood but is really special to a lot of people, and that our community really does want to see thrive.

[76:15] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And now I will talk about some key considerations that we use for analysis. and that will help guide our work and decision making around implementing specific projects and initiatives. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: the first being long term fund help for you to ensure that we develop a financial approach to the long term viability of the district University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: parking and access, ensuring. People are able to access the district, whether through an increase in parking or other forms of transportation. And it's important consideration. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Connectivity, getting to the hill, whether through providing better connection along 13, through another mode is a key consideration. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And then, lastly, economic vitality and resilience. It's incredibly important that any revitalization strategy contribute to long term positive growth for the district.

[77:11] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So the recommendations that I'll be sharing are from our most recent convening with you. You'll I tap, and they take the form of 2 different approaches. One approach focusing on these broader vitalization efforts that staff recommend implementing in the near term and the other approach narrowing in on the Fourteenth Street lot, which we recommend implementing in the longer term ideally, the next 3 to 5 years. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So there are 3 categories that the broad revitalization of recommendations fall into, rebrand, connect and activate. We brand the hill would benefit from a way finding and branding campaign to help create a sense of place and community and help folks navigate the district. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: connect improving connectivity along Thirteenth Street. This aligns with suggestions from other city plans, making the hell easier to get to and improving the connectivity within the district is a need and an opportunity that we've heard repeatedly.

[78:14] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and then, lastly, activate. So again, we're partnering with the help boulder on some upcoming commercial area activation funds with our funding. But let's let's expand on that. And other activations, leveraging and building on the hills creativity and energy to potentially revitalize positive nightlife and other events. Maybe pulling from the alloy enhancements plan that was conducted in 2,018 to bring some of our highways to life University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and then narrowing in on the Fourteenth Street service lot. So again, these recommendations were formulated from our convening with the ui top. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: They really take the form of 2 different directions, which include

[79:03] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: maintaining you, and oversight and University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: pressure on the parcel, or selling or releasing the loft to a private developer. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: if we maintain oversight, there were 3 recommendations that the tap outline one is this maximum parking garage option, which suggests a three-level parking garage providing approximately 150 additional parking spaces for the district. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: The other option is a parking garage with retail, which presents an opportunity for a larger retail tenant, such as a grocery store. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and then, lastly, parking garage with retail and faculty. I think there would be parking, I believe, on the below ground level here. but this could be an opportunity to partner with. See you while addressing some of the retail and parking challenges that we've seen on the hill

[80:05] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and then on the Flip side, we could sell, or at least a lot through 100 Year land lease to a private developer. this opportunity suggests that the city work with a private developer in which we would determine what could exist or replace the existing service parking lot and some potential outcomes, as you can see in the pretty pictures on the left here hotel, a social club uploading community hub. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: etc., and revenue from the sale. The lot could potentially be used as an endowment, as a way of offering you to long term financial sustainability. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So in summary, we are recommending and believe that prioritizing broader strategies in the near term would benefit the district in that will hands the district vitality, it will generate positive economic growth. While also providing you, Jen, with an opportunity to adapt to many of the upcoming changes with the new development.

[81:08] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: It also gives staff time to focus on creating a broader district-wide strategy that will help inform the reinvestment of this. The Fourteenth Street lot ideally over the next 3 to 5 years. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And so with that some next steps we've identified. one being. If council supports this direction, facilitate coordination. Among other city departments, Hill revitalization will require involvement from a lot of stakeholders, a lot of city staff. So an immediate next step would be coordinating with those folks to assess roles and responsibilities. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: we recommend developing an Rfp. Secure planning and design consultant services to help us identify feasible and actual projects that can be executed in the near term projects that align with these broader goals of rebranding, connecting, and activating can be implemented over the next one to 3 years.

[82:08] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And then, lastly, community engagement and stakeholder check-ins. Any revitalization efforts will course, involve input from the broader community. we would work with our communication engagement department to help us with outreach and listing community feedback, including engaging with our community connectors. Also plan to check in regularly with, you can see council, other boards and commissions, and additional key partners and stakeholders to receive direction and feedback. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So with that, I'll post these guiding questions again and kind of just hold on the form. See if you guys have any. I have some thoughts, but I'd love to hear from the other commissioners. If they have some thoughts.

[83:02] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I'll I'll hop in and take take a leave. so generally, if if all you all start with the guiding questions, I think number one I'm generally in support of, I think that we need to be careful with this final asset frankly and University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: participating in the ui tab. Really help me understand just how many different possible outcomes. There could be and spending some time to figure that out and do it right, I think makes sense. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and so I think that's what that first question is saying. Take some time to figure out what that asset means, and how we can use it best. whether or not we continue to use it as an asset, or it isn't one. that should be something. We take time to decide. that's my opinion. number 2. The code changes my my feeling on that. It's always been University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: essentially that should be specifically about the liquor licensing, that it may be cannabis licensing. I don't know if we should utter the words

[84:09] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: that done is currently so restricted on the hill that what we have there is the condition that is curtailing current and businesses even from considering, expanding, but alone trying to get new businesses, to open up new concepts and try to do things up there that what's going on right now in the in S free building and the former industry building is just so sad. I mean, those individuals have spent all this money. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and it's just sitting there. hopefully, we'll open the next few weeks. I I don't know, we know, but I know there's been a considerable delay associated with that, and that that could be something we could help. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I'll stop with any questions. The one thing that I would say, that could be helpful, is, it's, I think, city council. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: me, I I appreciate giving background on where the help it has been. It may be good to kind of focus a little bit on how positive place has been at points in the past. because it it's a little due to glue in terms of what has occurred. Maybe if if you look at it for a certain months and last 3 years, so it's my only kind of piece of feedback. It's

[85:23] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: you know it. It's also been a really fun place to be. despite a lot of the challenges that they University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: is. Is that to face and to Ted to your point. I feel like what you know. This is really about the commercial district, and I feel like a lot of the behaviors. Our of the residential area are being kind of lumped in to the whole area, and I think it's it would be important to maybe

[86:03] provide some separation between what happens in what's currently and for the past few years has been happening in the residential section has nothing to do with the commercial district, and some of these code changes may have even contributed to partially the downfall of the district. and I. I agree, Ted, that the doom and gloom that's I I would love to see of of. you know, violence and safety, and you know I'd I'd love to see something more positive in there, I think. the a a lot of the issues. that have received a lot of press have happened in the commercial district. And if there is a way to even kind of quantify or separate

[87:04] the data about whether or not this decline of the commercial district had anything to do with the behavior in the commercial district. and yeah, the regulatory barriers are, I I think. key for number 2. So in general, I I recommend. I I support everything that Ted said about exploring all the possibilities. I think one caution for me would be. let's why would we be spending a lot of money on design and concepts. which is going to continue to drive that available part of money down if we don't.

[88:01] if we if we haven't clearly looked at what we think the best uses are, are we? Are we doing yet another study to see what that Fourteenth street lock could be by spending money and calling it design. I'm I'm not sure that I understand. maybe honing in on one concept that we think. after further exploration, could work. I don't know if anybody else feels. I just get nervous about spending money on things like designs and and concepts when we haven't really crystallized a. A that that everybody agrees is the right direction. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: right? Which is understandable. And my understanding, Cheryl is the the planning and design consultant services would be focused versus broader revitalization efforts not specific to the law, so helping helping us identify strategies, actionable projects for rebranding.

[89:14] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: activating, connecting the district. The rest of the city. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Is that correct? This I mean I I don't know that rebranding the district. I I see that the branding and the connectivity. I think there is. I think people know how to connect to the district. They don't. They just don't want to. And if we rebranding isn't going to I guess it. It depends how broad re branding really is. and the other, you know, when we talk about activating the district we don't really have a support staff to create these events.

[90:06] I think Jake was very positive. But for part of a group who has tried to do activations on the hill for a very long time. It gets a. If there is a bigger event. Where? Where do people part? Are they? Is everybody going to take a bus up to the hill? So a, I think funding is an issue for activation and and parking is an issue for activation. And then the regulatory barriers are are also a problem for the types of businesses that may want to bring, you know. Add to the phone that can be the hill. the, you know, the businesses that are choosing to shut down at 10, because there's not really anything else going on, and and why stay open later? I don't think.

[91:06] you know, some of these businesses don't have to close down at 10. There's just not a reason to stay open. So I'm not sure what branding is going to do and get some money clear there University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: so largely. This, this presentation, what we're taking to council is a response to what we heard from the technical advisory panel which recommended that that University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: redevelopment of Fourteenth Street in the near term might not yield the results that the district actually needs, and that would be better to understand and respond to the Hill Hotel and the convent and the conference center, opening up and making sure that folks are choosing to come to the hill. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: you know I I get that. I just don't agree with that as a strategy, I guess. So that that's that's good feedback. If you're if if you're not suggesting from your seat that we should be spending

[92:12] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: time, energy and resources on those broader initiatives. And we need to. If branding, if rebranding includes an alley improvement plan absolutely. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I think activating includes pulling from University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: that all the enhancement plan and and implementing some efforts there. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: we can certainly revisit the branding. When I when I hear activation. I just here events to draw, to draw people up to the commercial district. so I guess a activation to me is is

[93:01] different from Allie improvement which blends itself to safe and clean. and it can expand, you know. to maybe more artistic and fun. But if safe and clean, is. it's really the a a top priority in attracting businesses and customers alike, including those from the new hotel. though that to me, is very short term and very clear as far as what has to happen. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: But I would jump in on just to your point. Cheryl. I think branding looked at in that. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: not just physically, but as a part of a bigger

[94:01] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: sort of thought process, especially all those people who will be staying there for the first time, you know. For me branding includes. Why, where are you? Why are you there? Why is it there? It's a it's a much bigger conversation. It's something that we could actually do pretty quickly University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: compared to some of the other longer term pieces, and I think that could help people sort of rally around the hill. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: It you said via Brand. I used to have a bit of a brand. It was a little more tangible, I think, and I I I do think that that's a very important piece of the University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: the puzzle, and something that could be done much, much faster. Because I think the brand. When you think of the Hill brand. It is music right? It is all these different things. And I think that branding exercise would help pull that together University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: in a in a more complete package for people who don't know why you know where they are, why, they're up there. So you know I I don't. I don't just think it means like putting up a big sign, saying, Welcome to the I think it's brand is is really more

[95:01] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: inclusive and comprehensive of different aspects. Yeah, that would be the. I think. Maybe let's change the terminology. Maybe, Rebrand, it's confusing people a bit, and doesn't it? We would not take up. We wouldn't take one flat sign and just replace it with a new logo and a new flash. Yeah, and maybe it's more about it. I can't. Seeing the existing brand giving the district an identity, and also including some way. I mean, I've had several conversations with about improving the pedestrian way, finding helping people navigate the district a little better. So it includes a lot of different components and maybe rebranding. But yeah, what was the other for me to use just identity identity? Because I think that that does some things. We talked about Charlotte University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: high in some of that history in before it's gone before. People don't know it. That to me is part of that more comprehensive identity. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And that's not activation, you know. That's not the kind of the other things it's it's some specific thing, I think is pretty important for that area.

[96:07] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I agree. I agree with that. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So just for I'm I'm a marketing and communications professional. So I'll just go ahead and weigh in branding When you have a brand it needs to have a solid foundation. In reality it can be aspirational. It definitely can look forward towards a brighter future. But it needs to have University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: the grounding in where something has been and where it is. And I think that that's a part of Cheryl's concern. There is. you know, we can't just create something that is makes it look like it's fantasy or something like that. It needs to be routed reality. And so, having a strategy of where we're going in terms of University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: how things will improve, we definitely can build that into an identity of what the hill can be, but there's gotta be some sort of foundation This is what the hill represents

[97:09] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: in that exercise. Otherwise, thank you for for expressing that much my concern much better. People will sniff it out, and they'll they'll call it a lie, and they won't believe it. And so that's that's the thing is really making sure that it is based in the reality, and is leaning towards an aspirational future. That's realistic, that is, in some sort of kind of fiction in the minds of the people who know what the University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: so can we build off? I mean this kind of getting to the reason now. But I'm just thinking, can we build off of that positivity that we feel is lacking in the presentation because it is kind of dark and gloomy right now there is a positive side to the now. It is a very special place for a lot of people, whether it's music, size, or creativity. So I think that foundation is this. There, we just need to communicate better. I think it's a a leverage point to for the to own it's

[98:06] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: reason to exist right? And that's it's exactly what you're saying. I think the other thing part of it, maybe the doom and gloom. And it actually came out yesterday, and the University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Ambassador the I don't know her name. She was from the from the Neighborhood Association, you know, expressing the fact that the residents, more than anything, and these are the student residents. These, you know, would more than anything, love to just University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: stroll over the hill and feel safe and feel comfortable in one and have that be an option. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and I think that is also sort of missing a little bit from here is just well to the Charles when we are a. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: you know, a commercial district. But who's coming to do the commerce right if we can, and when one of our big goals is to attract a different group than just the students. And and I think that's a really important piece. Maybe that was missing touches that this is a community resource and not just

[99:06] we have 10. We're we're 10 min from 6 30. So I just wanna make sure that we hit the last agenda item. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I'll be really quick. we're trying to diversify what the commercial district is. Revenue streams are, and the most obvious way to do that is to first by the audiences we're attracted. Because currently, it's very much a student focused identity. So we're trying to diversify that University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: that make up of who which audiences which consumers we're drawing to that district. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: The other thing I would say, do I have any questions about proposed next sets? Who are our champions? University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: You can't see University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: how, how are we going to get to where we need to be? We need champions, any champions within the city. We, you champions with them city like cities workers. We need champions on city council. We need champions in the community, and we need to do a good job of figuring out who those individuals are. So we could activate those individuals to help us enact a strategy that will help us be successful into the future.

[100:18] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So I know that's all it works. But I think that that's a real key component here. I think we've been missing. Critical champions who are willing to get involved, get their hands dirty and really start moving the ball forward and make the difficult decisions like what to do. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So who are those people? University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I think it just volunteer. I'm one of all. You can't see. We're here for that reason. Right. But Tara on council, she expressed in our tap. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: or you know it was me and and Andrew. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and she that she proposed it, or she. That's exactly the same thing. What can I do University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: as a council member to to move this forward because it's important. So I know that she is one. But we need.

[101:01] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So this might actually, be able to to relax the under the my item under matters from commissioners. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: This topic came up to the At Council last week. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: related to neighborhood use University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: commercial use, code changes University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and Council did ask planning Staff to take a look at alcohol, related regulations specifically for the hill. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: So it is. It is on Council's radar screen. This study session will reaffirm that it's on Council's radar screen. I have no doubt that they're going to say yes. The question number 2, specifically as it relates to liquor, restrictions and hours of operation. So I think progress has already been made on that front. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and I think Tara's been a big part of that But just to reassure you all that it that Council is waking up to a lot of these issues specifically for the hill and planning staff is now responding.

[102:16] great University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: real quick. If there's anything yeah. Anything more on this item for feedback for Reagan, for our presentation for Council, the only University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: the one slide where it has the sort of 3, the activation that you know exactly University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: it. It it says option, option option. I don't think they should be options. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: because it makes it sound like they're it's it's all 3 for sure. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean you, you said Goal University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: when you were talking through it. But it's an option on screen. I think you know that those that it's a 3 link. It's kind of thing for sure.

[103:07] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: real quick. I want to give least an opportunity to provide an update on commission recruitment. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Yeah. So a happy update, it's very pleasant. One mid Year Commission recruitment city clerk's office. close the window on July second and reported that University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: the city received 2 applications, for you can't see, one was in eligible. Unfortunately, The person was not. The candidate was not a property owner or representative. they were even an option couple of weeks to obtain a letter of permission to be a representative. But that didn't happen. unfortunately. But we do have And I was candidate who was interviewed on July eleventh. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: we're, you know, moving forward positively with that. And Council is playing to a point new Commissioners at their meeting on August tenth. It used to be the third. It was, you know, initially the third. Now it's the tenth

[104:11] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: and the so that'll be before our next meeting University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: our next. You can't see correct. Yes, so that will happen before there's a special meeting right before the study session. that the Reagan and I will be at, so they presumably will appoint University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: the new Commissioner. I think the paper works already. There's it is. Tell Jones from sync. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: so varying any concerns of of council, which I doubt there will be any. that a point where we made Cheryl, but bad news is this. there is not University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: a candidate to replace you in your seat. So by ordinance, that means you are not allowed to leave your seat until there is a replacement. There is another female. Exactly so, my apologies, but we're so glad that the the hopefully you are willing to continue showing up You are such an invaluable member of the Commission.

[105:19] I I will continue to show up. I think that when it comes time to voting chair and vice chair, I might request that I step back from chair. I have a lot on my plate and and and the commission might be better served with a new chair. After all this time we will make sure. I'll continue to serve until until the next round, when we see if we have an eligible female applicant. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Great. We'll put the Commission elections at the top of the agenda for our next meeting.

[106:01] I will. The reason I'm expressing that is because I will not be here on September fifth. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Oh, we have 2, so we might be. I am. I am on the bubble, and yes, there is a trip potentially being planned. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Why don't I? I? Because I'm the now the one. If Cheryl saying she definitely isn't, I'm not a definite yet, so as soon as I know my situation, Lisa, I will be in touch with you. Yes, because that would mean that we thought that before. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Well, if if let's just put it this way, if you haven't heard from me, the proceeding is as planned on September, that University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: right, and I'm gonna try to get back to you in the next 7 days, and it sounds like Cheryl. You would like to not be nominated for a vice chair, either. you know, I think.

[107:02] I I could certainly be an alternate, if need to be less. You know Trent is interested in and in a bigger role. But I'll leave that up to you guys when you when you vote in the next meeting. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Great, and so it will follow your lead then. Yes, Ted, yep. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: we will still have a. We will have a new Commissioner, though, so we can't have a courtroom without with with 2 absences on something like that. without more folks, I mean, it's possible I could jump into a virtual call. I'll be on the East Coast And so the meeting for me would start at 6. which would be challenging.

[108:00] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Sure. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: All right. Heard, we'll we'll stay tuned. And with that we can move on to the matters from Commissioners. Okay. Discussion of actionable items for engaging with City Council regarding the liquor license requirements for the district. And I think that's all in the study session packet. So I will say I was a little disheartened when I spoke with Lisa Spalding recently this summer, and she still really is doesn't understand that that has had an impact with drawing successful business owners into the district, and is still pretty fearful, I think, about what a change to that That code change would mean for the hill.

[109:04] And so, you know. I I'd be happy to grab some coffee with her and and talk with her more. I don't know if either of you, you know Lisa's faulting, but that's the only actionable item that's not related to a council, as it's been as it's already been laid out for counsel. Any other ideas from from from you, I mean, I think it would be hard to gather all the data. But again. what you know what's happened in the district? as a result of that, is it that there are as many There aren't as many incidents in the commercial area of the hill, or is that simply a result of more of the ticketing offense? Ticketed offenses and and problems have all just moved to the residential area

[110:19] where they originated, to begin with. So I I don't know the best way to communicate that if the data might show that there are fewer problems in the commercial core. Because because of these constraints. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: you know, I University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I I go out on Friday and Saturday night. Sometimes. And it appears that Pearl Street is generally where the traffic has been driven. And so I'm wondering if there's any data around University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: incidents happening around the full street mall

[111:01] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: work for underage drinking, and other shenanigans that would have normally taken place on the hill. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: It is streams of individuals walking down the hill, and then back up the hill. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: you know, 10 thirds, starting 1030 at night, and then ending some R. L. 3, and so part of me is wondering, like what's happening there, is there, is it that suddenly, by moving to Pearl Street they are magically well behaved. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I to doubt that, and I'm wondering if there's any sort of information that we can glean from late night stuff occurring on the pearl stream. All that could be helpful in this argument. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: We haven't solved the problem. We've just moved it from one place to another. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I don't know that data shows any increase. Let's say, overall the past decade. Bad behavior downtown is decreased quite a bit. I think there's a lot of variables. I just don't know how to how to frame that other than we have some

[112:06] great businesses that would like to open their doors on the hill. But won't we consider it because of the the restrictions University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: that's and that's anecdotal. And it goes, yeah, what we did experience during the pandemic when there was less activity on Pearl Street Mall. Other types of bad behavior increased. So the the other types of populations that aren't necessarily going out University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: they my take over spaces. and I think we've certainly seen that on the hill? when you don't have other types of folks. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: might be hit badly in some ways. you're gonna have other types of folks who they badly in other ways. And I do think that we've also experienced him responded to a a. An increase in noise related challenges in the neighborhood itself.

[113:02] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: And there's that's been an ongoing conversation with the residential University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: group related to the reinvestment strategy. So University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: you know. I think there's still a lot to learn. We have the code with the hotel coming and the conference center coming. There is going to be a different, different demographic. We want to make sure that they have opportunities, folks to go to conferences like to go out in the evening, and so there are not reasonable options for them. on the hill. They're also gonna go down town. And University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: similarly, they would be better than a lot of college students, at least in our knowledge and history. But if we don't have options for them in the evening, then we're not going to be able to take advantage of that type of activation which can help discourage other bad actors. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: It's very well we are at 6 34.

[114:02] I have to exit the meeting, and we are past our time. so is anyone interested in moving the September fifth meeting to the following week? If we? If there is availability, or would you prefer to just have the September fourth meeting or September fifth meeting? University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: If we, if you do want to move it to the following week. We have the downtown Management Commission on that Tuesday, so University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: Staff would not be available at the same time. On the same day of the week. But we could look at other days. Well, you know I then I I think we'll all be excited to hear what Council thinks of the ula ul! I findings so

[115:04] I would say, go ahead and keep it on the fifth, if you can. If I am available to jump into the meeting. I will let you know. but I would not plan on my attendance. University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: That's fine. all right. So anybody have anything else they want to add, or shall we adjourn the meeting? University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I move to adjourn the meeting, and the University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I was really proud of the hill when they didn't company were in town. There was stuff happening there all day, all night. It was fantastic. I didn't see any real shinatic. It's other than those that it was fantastic. It's kind of like the old days. It was in their out work fans like stuff, I mean. I shouldn't say this for the staff people breaking the rules everywhere, and no one.

[116:03] University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission: I'm I'm excited to see what happens next summer.