September 13, 2021 — Transportation Advisory Board Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] started recording. Excellent, so it is six o'clock on Monday, the 13th of September, we are calling to order. This month's meeting of the transportation advisory board thanks everyone for joining us. We are being recorded and before we get started we're going to have Jenny godwin walk us through the usual expectations and protocol for having an online meeting Jenny when you go ahead and take over. Great thanks to thanks everyone for joining tap tonight. And if you may have seen these guys before, but just a reminder that we're here to strike a balance between meaningful and transparent engagement and online security, so we have a number of rules that are in place. First, of course, this meetings been called to conduct the business of the city of boulder so any activities that disrupt that purpose or interfere with the median are prohibited. The time for speaking ask the questions may be limited, you know for sure so i'll speak except when recognized by myself.

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[2:01] brilliant Thank you. We have a pretty full agenda this evening, including to public hearing items i'm going to do our best to keep us on track and on target. We will turn right now to the approval of the Minutes from our last meeting the it says nine 820 21 on the agenda, but is the August 8. minutes and I have zero changes or corrections does anybody else have any changes or corrections to the Minutes from last meeting tab i'm looking to you got some head shakes everybody was here lovely I will entertain a motion to approve said minutes. I think that was Alex. said moving to prove and mark mcintyre second all in favor. Aye. Excellent, the Minutes are approved, thank you meredith we also were distributed the Minutes from our joint meeting with planning board July 15.

[3:05] I did not review them in detail, I did note I forgot which page, but at one point Alex wine hammer said back of curb and it got transcribed as backup curve and other than that and the misspelling of my name throughout. And the spelling of transportation in the first line, and I know meredith that was not you. And either account other than that I have no further corrections. mark has some corrections. Well, is super minor but for correcting alex's back of curve. I said fleshing out and it came out as flushing out, so it is there is a distinction there so. And you are more articulate than that So yes. yeah it just It made it I think alex's comments didn't would not have made sense, otherwise.

[4:05] And it was you know it's a minor minor thing, but to capture sort of the essence of what he has. been stating several different contexts, I wanted to make that correction otherwise, are there any further corrections to the Minutes from the July 15 planning joint meeting with tab and planning board. Right i'm trying to not take the misspelling of my name to personally, despite this thing my fifth year on the board. But I will note that you know people with weird names and people from other cultures, this is, this is a kind of micro aggression that they put up with a lot. And we should, as a staff and as a city be trying hard to to avoid easy mistakes like that, because they can be misinterpreted, so I will entertain a motion to approve those minutes. Thank you so much i'll second. All in favor of approving the Minutes as amended verbally just now.

[5:03] lovely Ryan, yes. i'm staying I wasn't I didn't. tell you we're not meeting that's right Thank you. They spelled your name right though. The Minutes are approved thanks very much. hey in there, they wouldn't have pronounce it correctly. that's right. That matters. Alright we're going to briefly on, then the public comment, as I mentioned, we do have to public hearing items, and so, if you are a member of the public here wishing to speak. On items four or five of the agenda that is the Easter applicable to us past. See or the SNP projects, I would request that you hold on to those those thoughts, we will be turning as quickly as we can to the public hearing and those two items, but if you are a member of the public who wishes to speak. To tab or staff about other items not not those two, this would be your chance to shine typically we give three minutes.

[6:05] there's a lot of people on tonight, so if you don't need all three minutes, I encourage you to not take them, but I see no reason to depart from the three minute. Public comment period, assuming we don't start running too far behind So if you are interested in engaging and participating in public comment, please try to raise your hand using the raise hand function. And, to the question, who came into Mr date i'm not sure how to pronounce your name but yes hang on we saw your letter hang on until we open up the public hearing for the nsf P projects and that'll be the time for you to weigh in on that subject. Does anyone else wish to participate, I see Lynn seagulls hand up. And no others at the moment, so let's go ahead and get started with Lynn. i'm gonna do my fancy switch around for. me. mm hmm.

[7:16] yeah, with all due respect to Jenny if I hear that. riot act described again i'm tempted to not speak at all I am so insulted so insulted. That you don't want to see my face and don't blame it on the Council don't blame it on the city manager blame it on yourself how dare you refuse to see my face. i'm seeing yours don't insult me don't insult me with all these rules that we don't have an irregular City Council meeting they don't read the riot act to head, I know Jenny is just doing her job, but this is an insult to the public it's astounding it's shameful think about that.

[8:06] Now as to my actual substance of my comment. i'm not a believer in einstein's quote. The definition of insanity so i'm going to say it again and again and again and again until I hear something changing. You need to quantify that traffic and transportation infrastructure needed for each human being brought into this community with a development slot you know, like another. affordable housing or an affordable housing every single person in this Community needs a transportation impact per capita quantification Do you understand, I know you can't, this is not back and forth you better understand.

[9:08] Because i'm tired of hearing Alex having to go around and be really efficient and make things you know make do with inadequate funds. With unfunded liabilities that's not okay in this Community it's just not okay once that quantification happens the developer shall pay that developer shall pay. You know what we had at planning board and you joined with planning goji also need to join with Environmental Advisory Board. And i'm sorry i'm not you know lemonade on lemons, but this is the practical reality of the situation, you need to get with a B and figure out what's right for this Community, and it needs to be quantified per capita simple, easy.

[10:05] Thank. You. I think, David adamson was having trouble finding have the raise hand function if anyone else is in the same boat feel free to type so in the chat and we'll we'll get around to. yeah definitely David i'm going to restart my time there we go. Well, you know he David see if you can unmute now. All right, thank you so much, members of tap and beautiful public and I apologize for not quite understanding, but i'd like to address. issue number seven and the DCS. Reform and I sent a little email about this, but this concerns are continuing effort to create a winner on North street, especially between six and nine, and also connected in with a similar all modes of bike pad improvements related to Alpine balsam.

[11:11] And we want our our comment is we'd like to make sure there's sufficient flexibility in the DCS going forward to pioneer a street reinvention of owner on at least that section of North street but also further, as I said, connecting Alpine balsam so I have sent an email we've been doing. This for several years, we met with Kathleen broccoli when she was there, back in 2019 and amy are live live Lou and has helped us with this, so any. that's our main request, how can we work with you to ensure there's that kind of flexibility in the DCS to to.

[12:03] innovate not have curves, for example, create a real. More pedestrian and bike oriented second section, at least on that block perhaps further on North street, and we always want to create this bio quarter going North in the alleys to sinitta so. Obviously there's a lot there but love your feedback, however, appropriate via email but that's but that's our request and help with the DCS, how can we, and I see the discussion about public engagement there. But we'd love your guidance Thank you so much for your service and all your beautiful work. kayla. yeah go ahead. Two things I just want to respond to David very quickly and say David I appreciate you sending your. Drawing as a jpeg it's a very, very, very small jpg and.

[13:01] If you could send one that was larger that would be great. I also wanted to just. reply to Lynn. And just say that when you know, I appreciate your emails and your comments at our meetings, and I want you to know that. When you say you know don't blame it on this person or that person or Council or whatever, and we operate and we've had discussions about operating within the rules that the city of boulder lays down for us and. You know what i've advocated for with Sarah Huntley and others to have video on for commentators when they speak. And i've advocated for and and it was implemented that the giant clock was taken down and now it's a it's jenny's window when when we have speakers, because I find the giant clock intimidating so anyway.

[14:06] I would appreciate it if. You could acknowledge that we are a citizen advisory board a volunteer citizen advisory board, and in fact we do advocate for equitable access and we encourage public comment. And yeah I, I think that when you're speaking, you should we, we should see you just as you see, so anyway that's the end of my comment and we can carry on, but I wanted to acknowledge both of those items. Thanks mark yeah you know, members of the public can't see what you've been doing behind the scenes to try to. make these meetings and to record the video, for instance, which was a problem earlier, I also wanted to acknowledge that Ryan, she has definitely reached out and been. Communicating more actively with Environmental Advisory Board is Lynn had suggested, so there are things that we are doing that you can't necessarily see as part of this public facing meeting, but please trust us to you know.

[15:05] That without we are trying, and we are hearing your comments and and, fundamentally, I think you have some very good points so we're working on it, but we are still part of the system so. I don't see any other hands raised Jenny do you. don't either. Okay, so I will close out the the public comment portion just in the interest of swiftly moving us along to our first public hearing item, this will be on the arapaho. multiuse path, this is a portion of the project, where. The environmental assessment portion of the project has to come before tab for a recommendation before going to city council it's just one of the regular steps that we have to go through and typically for a public hearing item, the way that it happens is we here staffs brief. sort of recitation of what the project background and and what things look like going forward and have a chance to ask sort of technical questions or clarifying questions and after that portion, then we will open it up to members of the public who wish to speak on this particular.

[16:14] project. And then we will close that public hearing and then we will move to board deliberations fundamentally will do, do we approve of. The the report in the seat and the staffs recommendation, or do we think that there needs to be changes to make make so that's where we're going to begin, I think gene Samson is supposed to be in charge of this item is that right. that's me. Oh hi it's Ryan oh yeah i'm just going by what's in the. Agenda so. yeah. No problem. Okay, well, I think we're ready for you then Ryan thanks. For. Hello everyone, my name is Ryan knows i'm a senior transportation planner here at the city of boulder transportation and mobility department and the seeming just going to briefly.

[17:01] review the Easter apo multiuse path and transit stops project, which is to mentioned went through a Community environmental assessment process. So we'll cover, just a brief background on the project, and then the proposed design and Community engagement. go into a little bit of detail about the seed process, and then we will discuss next steps, following the next steps, there will be a question and answer period for the board followed, followed by a public hearing and then board discussion before they consider a recommendation. So just a little bit of background on this project, so this project is. What we've been saying is the first step toward the East arapaho transportation plan and what we mean by that is that we are looking to establish a. Continuous multi years path system on arapahoe avenue between 38th street and the industry, which is just west of foothills parkway and the South boulder creek so near cherry railroad and alltel road east of 55th street.

[18:13] And so the user apo transportation plan is a multimodal vision for the state highway seven corridor and. Again, it has many components, one of which is a multi use path system, and so what we're trying to do with this project is established that system. We have a limited budget of $1.9 million, which includes federal and local funding and so really we're focused on filling in the missing pieces of that system and then really creating a better buffer between the multis path and the travel lanes on arapahoe avenue. So you can see here those missing links that I just mentioned. And then the transit stops, we are looking to enhance. So the proposed design for the Maltese path system in the buffer is a 12 foot path and an eight foot buffer where it's feasible, so we really tried to prioritize this section in that quarter or between marine 38th street and then the south boulder creek.

[19:19] The challenge we have with doing that is that there is sections of the roadway where right away, is constrained, and so we engage in a community. We engaged in a Community engagement process that's a lot of engagement and really entered the secret process to determine how best to address those places. Where the right of way is constrained and we talked to our residents at to public meetings and at several 10 meetings which I will review in a minute. The picture on the bottom of this slide is a plan view of the proposed design between MacArthur drive and 48th street's is just across the street from boulder Community health.

[20:06] Just east of photos parkway you can see in this plan design, we also including some curve extensions at MacArthur drive and so describe the process with those and. So these are I plan views of the proposed design so like I said on the left hand side you see the intersection of MacArthur drive and arapahoe avenue showing the curve extensions and a foot. buffer with the 10 or 12 foot multi use path we heard through our engagement process that the preferred. landscaping and the buffer should be lower maintenance what we call their escape so we're proposing. A series of trees and low maintenance planting in that us in that buffer between the Multi use path and the.

[21:06] Industry on the right hand side of this slide you'll see two pictures on the top right hand corner, is one of those sections where we have constrained right away. So this is actually just east of 55th street on the South side of the street in front of the conoco gas station. And so, in these constraints sections, we unfortunately are unable to provide that preferred buffer that I just described, and so we would be looking to install a hard scape off her which would be about two feet between a multiuse path and the street surface. Most own darn scape is east of 55th street the bottom right hand picture is on the North side just east of 50 631 thing to note is that on on arapahoe East the 55th there are on street bike lanes and so.

[22:03] While the buffer is very thin and, in some areas here there is additional space between pedestrians on the path and actual travel and so just want to note that, and then, of course, where we do have the right of way available, then we go back to the preferred buffer. Section So you can see in the lower right hand corner that's a section, where the right of way line shifts North and so we do gain a little more room to then provide that more comfortable buffer from traffic. So we conducted our Community engagement at the consultant level, so what that means is that I, we took a lot of input from the Community through to public meetings to be her older questionnaire on your to be heard by page, as well as on the project web page.

[23:00] And we've had I, including this tab presentation three tap recitations and then of course today's public hearing. So we've had a lot of touch points with the Community on this project and the console level really is taking that input and reflecting it in the development of the preferred alternative. Whereas the informal level is is more of you create an alternative and then ask the Community for any additional concerns they may have before you go ahead and begin the design and engineering of it, the console level is really. higher level. Engagement where you're asking residents to give us some feedback that we can then use to finalize the alternative. So in the engagement process we covered three options, as you may recall. And so again the preferred option was at 12 foot path and eight foot buffer the other two options focused on either narrower buffer or narrower path, and so we really wanted to.

[24:09] Balance those two options, based on the input we heard and that input was that both are important and that was pretty evenly split across all of our engagement meetings. We also asked the Community for input and feedback on how best to create a buffer between the Maltese path and the travel aims and so again. The preferred option here that we heard from the Community was the trees and Zara escape in middle picture you see before you and so we've prioritized that in places where we can and again. Where right away, is constrained, we do have to unfortunately extremely constraint, I should say we do unfortunately have to go for, but the heart escape but unlimited sections. We also additionally asked for feedback from residents on transit stops and uncivilized crossings, so these aren't these aren't included in the seat document that was attached to your.

[25:16] To the memo for this agenda item in the packet but uh, but we are moving forward with enhancing transit stops in the corridor to. Both improve the comfort of existing transit service and hopefully encourage more ridership, and so what we heard through our engagement processes that seating was the most important option for folks and considering upgrade of those transit stops and so. we've added benches at many, if not most of the. stops along the corridor and then also prioritize shelter upgrades where the ridership warns that we have additionally included trash cans and.

[26:00] bike racks where we felt that they'd be warranted so bike racks and your existing or proposed by infrastructure and then trash cans near places where people may have refuse to get rid of, for example here. Some of the commercial properties in the corridor where people might buy like a sandwich or a coffee or something. For uncivilized crossings, we asked folks about raised crossings grease crosswalks curve extensions, as well as. Tighter turning radio at the corners so basically a tighter corner turnaround which would slow vehicles down as they turn, and so we heard that basically. All those were important and that you know, making the crossings safer and more comfortable for pedestrians was one of the most important things that we could do it, so we have. Looked at that stern that guy for the corners and will be tightening those up and then.

[27:04] added that Kurt extensions and MacArthur, as I mentioned earlier, unfortunately what the raised crosswalks those were a little more difficult to. include in this project, because of the existing floodplains in the corridor and places where we would think they would be most effective unfortunately we're hardest to include them because of those what plans. So I the seed process kicked off in January of this year, with an inter departmental design kickoff meeting and so. Again, the engagement process that we went through in March and may and. To have meetings this previous summer and spring were really part of that process where we were assessing impacts to. To the Community based on this project and so some of those impacts, we assess for environmental, social, fiscal and we assess those against the boulder valley comprehensive plan, as well as a transportation.

[28:09] plan. To picture right, so the pluses were a positive impact, to the negatives, where a negative impact on zero would be a. No impact or a wash. So we we went through that process and met with our inter departmental review committee our. Last month to talk about feedback from individual departments, one thing that we heard pretty clearly from planning and development services was that. For the zero risk option that we are proposing evening, we need to make sure that we public engagement meetings earlier this year, we had.

[29:02] message that as a rocks and shrubbery and trees and. And unfortunately rocks and gravel are not permitted by code anymore, and so we would need to be focusing on mulch or some other kind of ground cover in these areas. The other major feedback or seen from the committee was that we need to begin the floodplain permit process as soon as possible, given the. timeline associated with this project because of its relationship to a federal grant. The US could essentially be longer than we're expecting and if we're not diligent with our timelines we could run into to issues with our funding agencies there. So this evening will hold your hold a public hearing on prior to considering a recommendation on this seat.

[30:00] And so, if you approve the see, we will make a presentation to city council on September 21 and City Council reserves the right to call it the project if they choose i'm assuming that the soup is approved by you and not called up by city council and the process. It doesn't start over, then we will begin the final design engineering final design and engineering at the end of this year with construction slated for 2023 and i'll take any question questions you may have, at this point before you open up the public hearing. Thank you Ryan i'm my only question is about the places where the right ways to constrain that we have to do hard scape and stamping colored concrete. And my question is, why would we do that, instead of just making it a wider sidewalk is it for visual purposes is it so that technically counts as a.

[31:08] detached sidewalk, why is it preferable to do it that way, instead of making a wider available area for for pedestrians. So I believe we need to maintain an eight foot a minimum with to maintain them i'll tell us path per our design and construction standards, but I will ask Brian wilcher if you wants to weigh in on that as well. So if i'm understanding the question correctly you're asking about the two foot colored buffer concrete. So that buffer is really intended for kind of a vertical obstruction, so we tried to keep 18 inches player from the edge of the past, so if somebody was riding on the path with their handlebars sticking out. Over the edge of it that they're not going to come in conflict with a car or something else traveling in the lane and travel and so that's really kind of a protective measure that we provide that to foot buffer and in other places, if it's not concrete, we would still provide a.

[32:10] You know landscape buffer or something else from the edge of the path to any vertical instruction so that's really what that's intended for. Okay, not sure I understand the benefit of it so much, but. All right does anyone else have questions mark you've unmuted. i'm going to have some comments later on my only question clarifying one, and that is when you look at the Cross sections that are presented in each right hand lane Eastern westbound there is a bus presented and. It kind of indicates that that is a bus lane, but, as I understand it, this question for Ryan, to confirm.

[33:02] These are not as it currently stands, this is essentially a six lane state highway and the right hand lanes are multi purpose lanes not dedicated to buses or right hand turn lanes correct. That is correct, currently the configuration, is that the outer lanes on arapahoe are multipurpose legs. Okay. Go ahead. Oh until I saw, so I would just add. You know I think we do want to provide a buffer between the Maltese path and the travel and say I hear your. Your question about why include the buffer at all. But you know I would say it's I mean it's a it's a good question, but I think you know we we generally try to provide that buffer for comfort purposes, to make it more comfortable and attractive for folks to walk in right on this multi expense Derek did you raise your hand.

[34:05] He did. Garrett Slater principal transportation projects engineer, I just wanted to add an additional reason that for. design and construction purposes that buffer is often place there is for utilities, so a lot of times we find streetlight Poles that are placed inside that buffer or utility Poles, sometimes its utility vaults. If we can relocate utilities to sit there, and instead of the Multi use path that's a preferable condition, so those those are other sort of I would say, on the ground, physical reasons for providing a buffer if possible. Okay, thank you. Ryan Ryan, this is Ivan different kind of question i'm curious, given the location of where we're working whether ball aerospace the Community hospital and the two big apartment complexes. There you know as institutions have provided you with much in the way of of input, because it strikes me that those places in particular might influence the mix of usage of this of this improvement.

[35:16] We did not hear from any of the large institutions we we did try to do some outreach to them, but. As far as I recall, no one from those institutions who was it any kind of decision making capacity was engaged in our meetings we did hear from some small business owners and actually met with one on site. And that would have that as an owner that was he started 56 street on the North side of arapahoe. yeah we did not not hear from the larger institutions. Great thanks. Okay mark had a question. yeah i'm sorry I forgot, second part of my question about those right hand lanes.

[36:05] And I asked this of Ryan earlier today and I don't know if there's any anyone that can contribute to this um do we have a record. of rear end collisions in those right hand lanes of cars crashing into buses at bus stops cars crashing into each other at right hand turns etc, do we have a do we have any crash data that suggests, we have a problem in those right hand lays. So I emailed. Our operations group on Devon jocelyn and I don't know if they've had a chance to dig into some data, but we can get back to you on that mark. I didn't I don't know if we have that readily available. Thank you.

[37:00] i'm not sure that any of that information would affect your the scoring on the seat portion of this project is that right. I do not believe it would have affected that no. Okay. Any other questions tab before we open up a public hearing here. On this item. Okay, seeing them, we do have a number of members of the public on board I don't know if they're here for this item, or the next one. I see one or two hands raised so we will do our usual three minutes per person as before, if you don't need all three minutes your brevity is valued and appreciated, but we can go ahead and open this up to members of the public, starting with Sue it looks like. Okay, just want to let me get us back on our timer. And you need to stop sharing my screen for a moment or. i'm sure yeah maybe Ryan yeah maybe it'd be easier for folks to see that time yeah sounds good.

[38:05] All right. Sue was Su there you are. hi can you hear me sorry. i'll be really quick I served Easter at the home. With gene, for it was like two years, I think it was very long anyway, it was the whole plan, it was the. The roadway and the multis path and everything and it was a big plan, but what I wanted to say right now is i'm really glad to see the bike portion implemented first and. Something we've been looking for for a long time and i'm really glad to see that implemented ahead of the rest of the large project thanks so much. thanks you Thank you. I don't see anyone else.

[39:00] yeah i'm not seeing anyone else to. alright. We will close out the public hearing on this item, then and open this up to board discussion. I know that Alex sent an email earlier today with his items. proposing changes, and I suppose my first question, I guess, to. natalie or Ryan. Was If those are the changes that Alex suggest which we'll get into for benefit of everyone who hasn't seen the email, but in just looking over that list of tweaks, I suppose, would you consider any of those major revisions that would require. Having to redo a portion of the sleep. All right, ryan's been done okay. I don't think that any of those suggestions would require us redoing the seat having you know the seat is taking the project, and you know whole so those details are not.

[40:18] Their specific enough that I don't think it affects you know, taking the considering the impacts of the project as a whole. You know one thing that we've discussed and we've talked about tonight spoke about this, the other day on is that you know we do, we do have a limited budget, and you know oftentimes when you have limited by money and you put a project out submit that. You know the bids come in higher than the money you have available, and so, so we did discuss that some of those sections, then, because they have. Existing older path would would be ones that we could potentially in the scope from the project.

[41:07] Alex would this be a good time for you to jump in and explain your thinking on some of those items I know you've been in some discussions on the side with certain people. Sure, and I, the email that you saw today was I only sent to you as far as tab members. I was I included you and not everyone else, because it was mostly based on conversations i'd had on the phone with staff, and then we talked about it more recently privately. So yeah I guess i'm a little confused as to when is the best time to provide this type of feedback and if a. Smaller design considerations are things that could be included in emotion, with the approval of see with, as I understand it, that you're hoping to have it out to bid and about 10 months, so it seems like we're getting kind of late for things to be changed or admitted.

[42:00] But I also, at the same time, I support the option one cross section with the 12 foot path and eight foot buffer an option to for the landscaping with the combination of trees and zero escaping. What i've been curious throughout this process about is this has been advertised as the initial step of the fuller vision. outline in the east arapaho transportation plan, and I, like the creative creative approach I think soo pointed out of building the bicycle head bike infrastructure first and then filling in the rest later. What I just wanted to be cautious about is that we're building as much as possible today that will align with that future vision, which includes. The introduction of transit only lands on the right side of the street and a protected bike lane in between this small size path and the roadway.

[43:01] And so what I went ahead and did was as best I could sketch to scale that proposed cross section on top of the proposed plans to see if the. Excuse me, if the. Initial alignments leave enough room in the middle of the roadway for those things, and in some places, I thought that they did. Some I thought they could be tweaked and then there are a couple occasions where I feel like the benefit of constructing. Widening or introducing a little taste path aren't all that beneficial until we're able to get some other improvements so. If those types of comments are welcome, now I could, if I wanted to pull up the. that's the plan view slides I could comment on a couple of places throughout the corridor that I found.

[44:04] I would probably recommend doing something slightly different. Give me a second here. To the extent that this probably doesn't affect how the project scores, or you know where where it falls on whether we approve the seed or not, is it possible to. sideline this particular blow by blow conversation assuming that alex's input is welcome and appropriate at this point, does it have to happen at this meeting. yeah. Sorry. So I was just gonna say I mean I think if Alex feels comfortable you know recommending for approval the seat, knowing that you know. His some of the design comments or detailed design comments that he has you know, could be a conversation that we have, I mean I don't know that we're going to promise tonight that we're going to you know, do everything that he's asking for. With design considerations but it's something we can look at and consider if he feels comfortable enough with that, then I think.

[45:08] We could sideline it and have that conversation after the fact, but. yeah i'm just wondering, you know if i'm trying to stay on task, or what what the ask is of us tonight and it's basically a weigh in on design options one, two and three about you know the preferred. With the path, and then the buffer material options again option one through three and then whether or not given all that way approved the seat. I did I think natalie responded to alex's email earlier saying this, you know earlier is better it's you know it will come back to tab but it might be too late to make real design changes. And my understanding from talking to Alex was that the basis of his suggested design changes in his email today. was taking a look at other pre existing plans and making sure that what we're trying to do in the future does mesh with what we're doing here, and he had concerns that we might be putting things. You know a few feet too far to the to the left to right and that seems like valuable input, but it doesn't seem to me to to be germane to the question of do we approve the seat, do we have opinions on these you know options for the buffer is that fair Alex and natalie.

[46:16] I. agree with that. One concern is a couple of the things I proposed are not building certain segments, and I wouldn't want that decision on staffing needs to be made by a private conversation I have with them and other board members not be able to weigh in on something like that, so I agree that i'm probably. This is probably like a post seep thing, but this is going to move pretty quickly and I don't know if this is going to come back to tab in time and a lot of these things that I am. recommending would mean probably less work for staff and a lot of places, and so I wouldn't want staff to. Further, the current approach to 100% design and then myself for tap as a whole way and and US recommend doing away with some of the things that status spent time working on.

[47:09] yeah and I understand that, so I think, maybe the best thing to do is, we can have this conversation and, like the next agenda setting meeting about what the right timing is that we potentially come back during preliminary engineering and we can have that conversation holborn. That sounds good, to me, and since i've taken up a bunch of time already, I do support, as I mentioned, the proposed cross section and landscaping approach. Okay, mark you had your hand up. yeah I have a fear and my fear is that. At some point in the future, someone comes back and says well have approved this seat, and this, the fact that the buffer isn't the way that Alex suggested it or the way.

[48:03] What i'm worried is. That there is a tension between getting into the weeds and micromanaging and I have the similar comment on other agenda topics tonight. and taking such a high view and meeting our agenda requirements and I scheduled requirements that. We are at a later date, deeply disappointed that our recommendations weren't taken into account, or were somehow decided outside of a public forum and hearing. So if Alex is comfortable uncomfortable I raised my hand while Alex was agreeing, but I dearly do not when I read the requested action staff is looking. staff is seeking a recommendation to the City Council regarding the same highway seven East arapahoe road multi-use path and transit stops so we're looking for recommendations findings from this motion will be presented to city council for acceptance at their September 21 meeting.

[49:19] So, as long as there's this great pool of time and discussion, and we can make adjustments that we get to actually vote on this is our moment of voting, I am I am. cautious about voting when there are things of import that are being pushed off to a later date, and yet our findings will be presented on September 21. that's well taken mark. um and it's unfortunate that you know the seat.

[50:04] just happens in this order. And I am confident that we're not going to have the kind of time lag that we had on the 28th street. Where you know seek approval from 10 or 12 or however many years ago it was got sort of. held over our heads when we wanted to change some of the designs last minute, this is how the scheduling and the process is set up and it's a perpetual problem. i'm not sure. we're all that. Well, the final designer at 90 plus percent design come to tab for a formal recommendation in the future. Here, do you want to answer that question about timing of next steps of when we would come back to tab with preliminary engineering.

[51:01] yeah yes, so it would be a typical to come back for formal recommendation on a final design for our projects after they've gone through a seat, but perhaps what we could do is come back with. Informal maybe perhaps matters from staff type of an agenda item to get input from tab officially on the design, so that can be incorporated, to the extent possible, before it goes to construction. Can we commit to that. Steps willing to commit to that yes. Mark yeah that satisfies you. that's lovely see that's why we work together. Okay, that being said, mark before you go before I move on to other Members did you have comments or feedback about the the preferred. options. i'm in the memo.

[52:01] Yes, they're on page eight or so. Yes, and I want to. I want to begin with the. Saying that, as I studied this today. And I looked at other six lane state highway. Projects where we're dealing with cycling. transit and auto traffic mixed together. I was reminded of 28th street the adding a third lane for bus and right turn only, I was reminded of broadway highway 93 south of baseline and the. intersection treatments of broadway and railey and I, and I was reminded of a quote that.

[53:00] foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. But I think about these three different state highways and the ways we've treated. pedestrian and cycling safety and bus right turn lanes and. I look at the. Back on slide number 10. In this presentation I believe it's 10 in my original one that was the one there we go right there go go back go i'm sorry go down one forward one more there we go okay. There at the bottom. it's shown. three. crossings, I see a sharply radius car turning right on to a sharply radius turn with pedestrians in a narrow crossing in the in the Center image, I see.

[54:03] A narrowed street with. pedestrians in the crossing and and a pedestrian cycling lane coming together there, but particularly slow moving if I was in an automobile I would be moving quite slowly. I, so I would request and maybe this is an item for our subsequent design review that we consider several things one is that there I can't think of a reason that we shouldn't have. On an interim basis convert the right hand traveling to a bus and right turn only lane. We have plenty of capacity in the in the to.

[55:00] Eastern westbound additional Eastern westbound lanes. And I think that that answers. A lot of other questions about right turning vehicles and. concerns with G, as someone coming up at high speed behind me. I would also consider that you know we're in a very similar situation where we have one is going to rebuild a. 28th street we want to accommodate transit, and so we have committed to building dedicated bus and right hand turn lanes and I think this is consistent with that. And finally, I think that the design elements as proposed on arapaho are superior to the design elements that we incorporated a broadly and railing, which is a an additional fourth line and.

[56:02] An additional even though it's now currently a a right turn on bringing arrow only that will change once they get the programming figure it out for the lights a high speed slip lane and highly radius turns, so I think that we have an opportunity on arapaho to incorporate. Design elements that help us meet our goals for transit for for Vision Zero and for. Reducing the empty and I don't think that the current by by continuing with three lanes each direction without a bus lane and right turn own lane lane. I don't think we meet we meet that are. We don't move forward on our goals, so I would request that, as we move forward in the design, we try to incorporate as many design elements.

[57:06] And slowing down of right turns protected left hand turns at these intersections so that we actually end up with a superior product on a rap oh than what we have on 28 street or south or on broadway. yeah mark I a so after our discussion earlier, I checked in on that item as well, and so it does sound like that is on the table, once we start the design process proceed hot next year the interim I saying and right the badly. And so I would ask tab Thank you Ryan, I appreciate your input on that and I appreciate you taking my call today and discussing that with me it helped me bring my thoughts together so. As a board as an advisory board.

[58:00] I want to make sure that we don't miss an opportunity in general i'm in favor of approving the seat and sending it on the Council. I want the board to consider are there are elements that we feel are important that are incorporated in our comments to counsel, it can be tab approved the seat, with the following recommendations I want to make sure we don't miss an opportunity to voice those those concerns. So mark what i've been trying to get us to. pin down is whether, when there are choices between a wider paths and a narrower buffer or a narrow path and a wider buffer do you have a feeling on those because that's one of the options they're trying to to pin down as part of the preferred design option. wider path and our buffer.

[59:01] Thank you very much. anyone else. want to weigh in. On the seat, and in particular the question I just pose to mark hatch you've unmuted first well done. Okay, just just to say to me that's a no brainer that we go with wider pass. Great any other feedback on elements of the Sikh. not really I mean. Not not to take up any time here but i'm i'm trying to think of things that will beyond hardware. That will really help us increase usage, but that's not what we're really trying to decide today, then, that was the basis of my clarifying question earlier, so I want to just consider that angle to me that the hard scape stuff is fine, but isn't really going to drive usage hugely anyway.

[60:04] Okay, thanks rain I haven't heard from you on this, yet you have any input. I don't think anything to add I think i'm mostly supportive of what i've heard mark say. On the wider path versus versus the buffer space, so no I don't have anything to add at this point okay. Great. I also support wider paths and arrow or buffer when possible, that was partly why I was asking you know, do we really need the stamped concrete because it tends to concentrate people in a in a slightly narrower area, I think that. Staff has has made a decent enough case for for why. They want to keep it that way, and I in general in support of the current seep. I do appreciate staffs willingness to come back to us earlier than usual and earlier than typical as this moves toward final design and bring it to us when the design is less final then it might have been.

[61:10] If there's no further discussion. I would like to entertain a motion on the seat. Ryan, do you need any further details from us or any further. Are there any other choices to make that I missed. Thanks think we're just waiting for approval from here that we can take to city council. Okay. Well, it sounds like in general, we are in favor of approval of the seat. Does anyone want to make a formal motion. hey will. Thanks mark. Second. Whatever is gonna be good.

[62:01] just trying to help to. urge urge me to move along. So I will make the motion that is on the screen in front of us. it's not really quite emotion, though. No. I will say tab. cab approves. Of the state highway seven East arapahoe road multi-use pat and strands in transit stop seats. Transit stops see. comma. With. The ability to provide additional design input.

[63:04] At our. LSA next because that may be too constricted. At the next. Appropriate meeting. into motion. i'll second the motion and then is if there are amendments, then we would do that. While the motion is under consideration, which is, I believe, now the second did it where we're at.

[64:03] i'm not sure next appropriate meeting is all that clear. yeah i'm struggling with that. Right yeah. So the next phase of the process is to go into preliminary engineering, so perhaps we just say during or type could say during preliminary engineering. that's a friendly amendment by our deputy director. How does that sound to you mark. I would accept that. Okay. Is that clear to meredith. Yes, i'm seeing yes all right, do we have any discussion on the motion. lovely all in favor. 123 let me switch tabs. are unanimous, thank you very much. appreciated on we go.

[65:03] Thank you Ryan. Thank you, let me just. Thanks natalie. yeah and then ryan's not going to go anywhere because we're now moving into item five. The public hearing about the NS MP projects, the 2021 simple projects, and that is where I believe we do have members of the public who are waiting to weigh in. we're going to do this, the same way we did the last item that is we're going to have a presentation by Ryan background of the project is going to run through the simple projects. And the staff recommendation tab will have a chance to ask clarifying questions and then, once those questions are done and we think we know what it is that we're we're looking for. For discussion on we will open it up to a public hearing from members of the public to speak to us, we have received a number of emails and letters on this. Including right up to you know, a couple hours before this meeting, we have looked those over, but I know that for the members of the public, we want to have their voices really heard this is going to be your chance.

[66:07] So, and then, after the public hearing, then we will close to public hearing and then tab will deliberate and on the recommended projects and make a make a recommendation. Okay Ryan, I think it's all yours. All right, thank you again and just for anyone who's joining my name is Ryan oles senior transportation planner here at the city of boulder Department of Transportation and mobility and I. run the neighborhood speed management program, which is the city's traffic online Program. And so we'll just do a quick background and purpose on the NS MP talk a little bit about speed bumps which are the travel common device we're proposing for these projects, this evening. I briefly touch on the proposals by location talk about next steps and then again have a question period for the board before the board opens the public hearing and then holds a discussion on the projects.

[67:08] So the purpose of the neighborhood speed management program is to reduce vehicle speeds, and the reason we want to reduce vehicle speeds and neighborhoods. is to improve safety and the quality of life in builders neighborhoods so for people who are. walking biking rolling plane because neighborhoods are places and neighborhood streets are often used as places we see residential streets as shared spaces and so it's important for us to make sure that there is no excessive speeding or reckless driving on the streets. The SNP supports and as identified in the transportation master plan and as part of our Vision Zero program to reduce serious injuries and fatal crashes to zero.

[68:01] I want to note that all these projects are resonant driven, meaning that folks are reaching out to the city to address speeding on their neighborhood streets through an application process that includes a petition. We have a benchmark for including a project in the traffic calming program each year, and so that is an 85th percentile speed of three miles an hour or more of the speed limit. So for streets with a 20 mile an hour speed limit that speed is 23 miles an hour for streets with a 25 mile an hour speed limit so that would be Walden street in this presentation that's 28 miles an hour. 85th percentile speed is a benchmark speed that is using traffic engineering and so it's a speed up to which 85% traffic is traveling conversely. 15% of traffic is going over that speed, there are two types of projects in the SNP simple and complex projects, the most basic differences that simple projects are.

[69:03] Lower costs so around $15,000 and are not on emergency response routes. And, as I mentioned, we do collect data beforehand to get at that qualifying benchmark speed and then also to look at traffic volumes we do an after evaluation to determine whether or not the travel common devices. The speed on so we install are effective and if there are any changes and traffic volumes and then I just want to note that again. Because of 20th 20 and we do have a lot of projects, and so we are going to be discussing seven tonight, there are more on the symbol project list that we are hoping to address this year as well. Just a quick overview of what a speed bump is so a speed bump is a 12 foot wide raised parabolic. hump of asphalt, essentially, it is about 3.5 inches tall so it's very different than the speed bumps that you would see.

[70:04] In a parking lot of a target or some other store that basically forced you to come to a full stop before you drive over it, those are like 123 feet wide and. are very, very jarring if you drive over them fast, whereas we advise folks to drive over the speed homes, we install on average streets between 15 and 20 miles an hour depending on your vehicle. But a speed in there should feel fairly fairly comfortable based on the design that we we use. So these are the proposed streets in this year's simple project Program. So you can see, they mostly cover all neighborhoods are most geographic areas of the city of boulder, with the exception of gun barrel. One thing to note is that we have pause South 32nd street so we're actually going to be conducting an additional speed study this week for that street the reason we paused, it was because in our gateway process talking to residents.

[71:15] We were looking at the data and we noticed that there was a scoring here when we prioritized projects out earlier this year. That we miss counted the num the average number of speeding vehicles and so that change the priority of Saint or South 32nd street put in another street that we hadn't included in this program before, and so we wanted to make sure one. That we went back and collected accurate data, so another factor was that. saw 32nd street was using some older data that's not the case for other streets in this program and that we also gave an opportunity for that street. Which is a Lincoln place on the hill an opportunity to to get traffic calming this year as well, so I following our speed study of this year or this week, rather we will.

[72:09] hold the second the road forum for the week of September 27 and then I will do this. type of presentation in a public hearing at the October 11 meeting. So I just wanted to quickly touch on the proposals for each of the seven streets that were talking about this evening. And so I can talk in more detail about these if you have questions, but basically for fifth street we're proposing three speed bumps you can see in the map on the left. And so, our feedback on these projects or the speed on the street has generally been favorable, and so we feel comfortable making this proposal, going forward. The same for 20 street we are proposing sorry about that my dog is.

[73:03] we're proposing one speed on, so this is just something glenwood drive I the application. form called for glenwood drive between velma road we're actually not proposing adding a speed bump Saba the curve that you see in the map, which would be just north of all my road because we didn't have any petition signatures. In that section of this dream, and so we were unclear about if there was support to move forward with the speed on. On that section 24 del what avenue the map that you see here left is North so. broadway is on the top of the map to others East I work for Boeing to speed homes here. And this is just use the ninth street As you may recall, we installed a speed on on delta avenue West.

[74:03] street around seven I just north of working. Next, we have laramie boulevard. So we're proposing for speed bumps on laramie so again same orientation, with a map up is East and left is worth. And so the first speed bump is just after the curve on server driving on laramie you turn off broadway and there's a curve and then the strings up the first speed bump is recommended there east of Jimmy and then we have three more up to the intersection of fifth street. Next, so this is ludlow street the application was for totally to Knox the petition included signatures. from households on both sections of the street, east and west of Hastings driving so initially we had proposed to speed bumps for this section of ludlow.

[75:05] However, through our engagement process, we heard from folks that they not wants to be on summer street, and so, in speaking with the residents and talking about. The details of the project and then really looking at where folks were and then digging into the data we determined that. Most of the folks who weren't excited about the speed bumps and more concerned about other I. trap transportation issues in the neighborhood I lived west of Hastings, whereas the folks who did want to see speed OPS installed were really East Hastings. We dug into the data and notice that speeding was higher on on ludlow East Hastings and so we felt comfortable with have closure existing at Knox and ludlow removing that supposed speed on West of Hastings and so now we are only proposing the one I near 4445 ludlow street.

[76:08] Next we're proposing one speed up between 11 and nine street on pine street, and so, as you may recall this section of pine street is a little bit different than. East of 11th where the street is actually changes classifications becomes a collector and is a much busier there are more institutions like the Carnegie library at the corner, for example. But west of 11 there really is much more residential in nature and so. We are proposing one speed on, but in this location. And then, last but not least, we are proposing three students on wallet so walmart is on the.

[77:04] Is a collector and has a 25 mile an hour speed limits only street in this listing of projects that has 2025 mile an hour speed limit the rest have a 20 mile an hour speed limit. Due to the 20th plenty project, so our proposal initially was for five speed arms between full size and 20th however in discussions with our transportation maintenance crews. Supervisors we determined that because it's a secondary snow removal route and the way that we wind row snow to the middle of the street. Five speed homes, would be a larger impact on the the work group creating you know, probably a delay and snow removal, to be honest and then additionally. You know, some concerns about doing it well, so, because that $25 per minute we determine that three based on this spacing shouldn't be effective and reducing the 85th percentile speed to near or at 25 miles an hour.

[78:07] So, again. We are holding a public hearing this evening, as well as October 11 and both this evening, and on the 11th will ask tab to recommend which projects we should implement on those projects that are recommended for implementation, we intend to implement this fall. So we are for the actual meeting. For you do our best those implemented this fall. We are running into the end of the asphalt season so just as an aside and then of course we will evaluate and gather feedback on all these projects, both positive and qualitative data.

[79:00] as we go forward. And so I will take any questions. Thanks Ryan tab any questions, let me scroll through. Ryan. Go ahead. That oh thanks Ryan just one, this is a super basic question it's a general question do we, when we create the speed home seven option to make a I don't know what you call it, but like a cut through it so bikes and pass through and, and that is that part of the consideration. I don't know just to make them easier for through travelers so I know that's not specific to these to these specific projects, but I would appreciate understanding and better. Yes, we are so we. Have a demon stomp that type of speed on. which we call speed cushion so those. have cut out in the hump and typically they're spaced for emergency vehicles so we're actually. intending on installing quite a few of those on 26th street and 5050 later this.

[80:04] Year. We could certainly consider. You know, especially perhaps where we have overlays with green streets. installing speed question and. cyclists can ride that's. Because of the design of the drivers. You know i'm still wondering. about the cutouts we. We haven't found. That unless you're. Like a. phenomenal cyclist that they. create a lot of impact. Sorry, my dog. treat. But that's certainly something we can hear. Okay, thanks for that. appreciate. Thanks anyone else tab. No, no, no okay Ryan, I have a couple of questions um, as I mentioned we've gotten a lot of emails and letters, as we often do on these projects and one theme that emerged was that several people raised ice and drainage issues.

[81:06] With the speed humps and I was wondering if you could comment on it sounds like you've been been having conversations with maintenance. staff can you comment on what what the impacts of any there are when we place the speed bumps on snow clearance and ice build up. yeah so I so one of the main concerns around drainage was for that speed home that we were proposing on the western section of ludlow. So there was a concern from a few residents there that there's a lot of drainage issues and the speed on to my mega worse, so that was also a consideration when we. decided to remove that one from the proposal, in addition to the concerns about just not wanting to be thomason other issues, I would say, for snow removal routes typically we don't install or we haven't in this program installed speed bumps on secondary snow removal that's.

[82:08] When I spoke with our transportation maintenance crew. They were concerned about the number of speed ons we were initially proposing again was five because I felt like it would slow down their operations again hand blowing snow in that on that street but um. The other thing that they did raise is that because of the way they push notes in the middle of the street, and they have to hand blow it they mentioned that there could be some ice build up around the speedometer so people should be aware of that, when they ride. So that was that was something that we raised just to you know, put it out there, I want to make i'll be transparent about that they didn't seem to think that big of an issue, so we feel comfortable moving forward with the three speed bumps on my street.

[83:07] Okay, thanks, so my last question is. A couple of people writing in about walnut were suggesting, and specifically a stop sign instead of a speed hump at 23rd and walnut did you have any reaction to the effectiveness or desirability of a stop sign instead of a speed bump on wallet. yeah so we'll consider. Stop signs at intersections. As people request them through the SNP but stop signs are traffic control devices that are meant to manage how people access and move through an intersection I we don't use them as traffic calming devices, and the reason we don't do, that is because, again. we're really focused on. Making sure that intersections are safe, with stop signs if you start using them mid block or trying to slow people down with them on typically people began to ignore them.

[84:05] And so that becomes an issue and safety issue and of itself. So we don't we don't recommend using stop signs for traffic calming purposes, so what we'll do for that intersection is determine if a stop sign is warranted their own merits and there are no Warren said we follow. Okay, thank you. I think that's all I have enough no other members of tab clarifying questions we'll move on to the public hearing portion I do see a number of raised hands and i've been seeing some. Talk don't worry Joe Fisher will get to you, so if you can't find the raise hand just let us know in the chat and we will we will get to you as we can. We do have a number of people typically we give three minutes each as before and tonight you guys have been lovely and not unnecessarily using all of your time, so if you don't really need all three minutes I do encourage you to keep your.

[85:09] Your comments as brief as possible so that we can attend to the numerous other matters, we have to get to tonight, but I want to make sure that you do have a chance to to say your part. Jenny are you still on. yeah. i'm there and it looks like Joe and others were all able to. Re it looks like it. yeah totally. I see you Joe alright so i'm going to go ahead and go in order, so we will have Craig millis, let me start our timer and i'll get you going Craig. hey Thank you. So the project at spying road and South orchard creek circle is. is currently on the complex projects list I know this is comments related to the simple projects but, but the reality is because it's on the complex projects with.

[86:07] Nothing has been done regarding the speeding on spine for several years, so, so I would, I would ask two things first, I would ask to please consider adding a crosswalk. Now, at spine and South otter creek circle, particularly because the the grade school bus stops have now been moved to spine. And their kids regularly crossing right there early in the morning during rush hour, and the second thing that I would ask of the Board is to please revisit the scoring. For this project, the scoring currently shows that there have been no accidents on online and that's not correct, there have been accidents on spine within the past few years. And if there were just two accidents counted which there have been more than two there, it would be the number one complex project on that list so I ask that you please consider those two things, all you bet my my time, thank you.

[87:13] Thank you very much, Mr millis nice to see you again. All right, let me restart here, and then we will have Steve. Alright, see you go ahead. Am I there. you're there go ahead and yeah hi hi hey I apologize for dropping a four page. letter in your lap yesterday, which violates like everything about writing and effective letters to your representative, but there was a lot to say on this issue and I will make my comments here short, which is just that, with the the speed bump issue. I feel like this whole Program. gives people the impression that they own the street in front of their houses.

[88:02] And and and so, if you know, everybody thinks they have a speeding problem, I think we have a speeding problem, so when you start erecting obstacles to traffic it displaces it to other streets, and so we all have to get along and not try to push our problems, on the other, other streets. So, so I mean I live on fourth street we get traffic from people who live account via the people on deltoid where you're proposing the speed bumps they I travel on downward to come up the fourth if, for if delegates to box i'll come up to. i'll come up. evergreen. But it's not even just the people in the neighborhood that are affected by a by a single block everybody in town drives on ninth street to get to North Pole or park. And we have people from all over the county driving in to drive delivery delivery trucks lawn mowing people and the more we, the more we can just our streets, the more we.

[89:05] The more we make the whole town impact impassable I don't think people driving at a. You know, an 85 percentile of 26 miles an hour is a serious dangerous problem because it's barely over our former speed limit and the the paint is barely dry on the. 25 mile an hour or the 20 mile an hour speed limit signs so and and my you know my last comment about this is. There really is very little accounting for dissent 30% of the neighbors can ask for a speed bump and it affects people all over the town and the county and I, I think we need to come up with a better way thanks. Steve. All right, let me reset us here and then we're going to have Joe next.

[90:05] Alright, Joe go ahead. Alright, can you hear me. Yes, we hear you fine. Great and and joking not my name, but I want to stay anonymous on this for now. Is that OK. that's a great question to lead you advice on that. Well, the rule is generally to avoid zoom bombers and it appears that we're speaking. In a live human who wants to. Be on the SNP. that's allowing oh okay well, thank you and. So, so I live on one of the blocks that's been considered and i've had a lot of conversations. With you know with Ryan synthesis started and with some of my neighbors and my my main point is not. to convince anybody for them or not for them, but I have i've had some issues with the process.

[91:05] A few things to it is there's no way to vote you get a certain percentage of neighbors to start the process there's no qualifications for them, they could be a household of two adults 10 year old an 11 year old, and that would count for four people from what I was told. So that's one thing is I don't feel like there's much of a process there and then our signs went up a few weeks ago, that was the first time I heard about it. One week after that the letter came to our houses two weeks after that is when the vote was happening that's not enough time for neighbors to get informed to talk about it or do anything like that. Another thing is, I requested that a speed limit signs go on my block before you guys do the speed test I wasn't aware at drop to 20 I don't watch the news I understand i'm i'm unique in that one, but my neighbor also wasn't aware and I asked for that and was told that.

[92:02] Have or your engineers point of view is that you don't feel like speed limit times actually affect the speed that people drive Okay, and I was told you want it to be fair for all of the streets and none of the other streets had it that's fine too. Then earlier Ryan, when you introduce it, you said you can go over speed hump at 16 or 20 miles an hour I don't know that that's fully transparent as hundred miles an hour it's pretty jarring to me anyway. And 15 Okay, maybe, but it's more like 10 or 15 miles an hour over speed bump in my experience, I understand that's also subjective. $15,000 in one street you're not going to install this and all the streets that money could be used in other ways, put signs up places put street point paintings places. So anyway, I know my time is up, but I have a lot of issues with the process and and it's very frustrating for me. Thank you.

[93:01] Can I ask Mr Fisher did you submit written comments. I did, I submitted a written comments. Okay, I know I sent a letter to my neighborhood with information, encouraging them to send feedback to Ryan oh and that's the one other last thing. Is the first an email from Ryan first said that if half of the people on our block object, they will not be installed, the next email. A couple weeks later, after I sent the letter encouraging people to send feedback said no it's not actually a vote by the neighborhood even if. Fewer than 50% of the people want it have can still decide to install it, so I was probably unintentionally misled in the process, but I think there's a lot of things that are not clear and there's not enough time for a neighborhood to come together and make an informed decision. Okay, thank you for your input part of my reason there's been some discomfort from other members of the of the board, I think, for good reason i'm calling a an anonymous speaker but.

[94:02] i'm sorry. Okay, my jacket i'm on 30 seconds. I appreciate it, thank you very much. Okay, great um Thank you okay up next we'll have Ross i'm going to go ahead and unmute you now Ross. Okay, thanks, very much for the opportunity to speak in front of you today, I think it's I appreciate going after Joe because I really. feel, similarly to a lot of his sentiments, I never ever been received a letter actually so I had no idea, this was going on, except that somebody approached me to sign a petition. Today i'd like to speak to you in opposition to speed humps on walnut avenue, specifically, one that has a very different character than the other streets on this list. It is a connector road and it gets much more traffic volume than the other streets, which means much more noise at the same time it's also much denser.

[95:05] residential population and so there's going to be a lot more people adversely impacted by noisy trucks going over speed bumps cars accelerating after speed bumps etc. Also, there was a study from the British Automobile Association that should that speed humps cut fuel efficiency in half and blocks were there installed. And also increase knocks and socks by about a third so it's it's actually quite bad for the environment, compared to other traffic calming measures. By the way, i'd like to mention here i'm not opposed to traffic calming I actually think there is a speeding problem on wallet and I think traffic calming would be a very helpful thing to have. I was hoping to show you a picture, but it looks like I can't share video but there's an intersection at 21st and walnut, which is a natural sucking. And people cut across the Center line and across the bike path all the time in order to cut the curve and go faster, so instead of speed humps.

[96:09] For very little money you could install some flexible dividers along the Center line and get the same effect as a speed hump it would significantly slow traffic down without having the adverse impact that speed humps have. Ryan also told me that it would be within budget to install a traffic circle, instead of speed humps on walnut. And I think this is really worth considering, if we can do the same project in budget using a different set of means, because I really think I mean based on the arguments Ryan brought up. there's actually a lot of arguments against installing speed humps on walmart in particular. i'm very concerned about the safety impacts if there's additional ace build up and.

[97:00] It takes extra time to clear the snow, on the one that. It may be three speed times, instead of five but that that still means we need to tell people elsewhere in the city that their street didn't get plowed because we had speed humps that we had to clear very carefully and slowly. i'll end here, but please, I would like to ask for more time to do a fully data driven analysis before we move forward on this, thank you. hear us. All right up next is going to be soo soo i'm on me now. hi so I live on 29th and I did get the I was not part of requesting to be tough, but I did get the mailings just let you know, but my comment. Is on walnut street and just more of a question of what happens in the bike lanes on walnut street where the speed hump this that's it Thank you.

[98:03] Okay, thanks you maybe Ryan can respond to that. Next. yeah so I Sue though the speed bumps will be in the bike lane as well, they go from to go from gutter Panda. Thanks. Okay next up is going to be Lisa i'm going to unmute you know Lisa. Good evening tab, thank you for the opportunity to speak on that an SMP tonight, first, I just wanted to say, I appreciate about this program exists and also really appreciate how it is. backed with data and that there is a lot of analysis that goes into determining which streets are selected and being. The top scoring street of walnut street, I hope that you will approve the speed mitigation that staff has been able to work out for a walnut street.

[99:09] I noticed that the data had the 85th percentile of speed, but I would be curious, given that we have 800 speeding vehicles per day, what then then like 99th percentile is because I know that we do have a lot of. A lot of cars that go very fast song on that so i'm hopeful that this will help increase safety for the very fast vehicles, particularly. And then I did hear that there was some comments about potentially a stop sign at 23rd street. And I understand that that wouldn't be used for speed mitigation, but I would be curious if the city could consider that a part of us the 23rd street green street. just send there are people walking and biking down 23rd street i'm following the green street rap.

[100:01] And that's all I have, thank you for your time. Thanks Lisa. So all right up next we have Kurt Kurt i'm gonna go ahead and me now. I couldn't or back I live at 777 deal with revenue and we received one of the first, if not the very first speed hump that was created during the this latest phase of the s&p project and first of all, I just want to say that i'm very appreciative of the of the whole Program. It has significantly improved speeding on our street it speeding is actually still a problem on delta, which is why. I guess there's a proposal for one further east but it the speed hump that we've gotten has significantly improve the situation. I want to respond quickly to a statement, though, and it really speaker made about implying that asking for speed home the sort of.

[101:07] sort of asserts a possession over the street, and I would just like to push back very much on that I, I feel like asking for your street to be safe and livable does not in any way imply any kind of ownership of the street. So I just. I reject that assessment completely um The last thing I want to say, and this sort of relates to what earlier speaker said about walnut is that. My experiences that the vertical displacement of speed homes is is becoming less effective, especially as vehicles have gotten bigger and bigger. I feel like it's less effective on large vehicles than it is on small vehicles like sedans it's it's less effective on being trucks and SUVs and so on.

[102:00] and horizontal displacement is produced by a chicane or a traffic circle, or something like that would be the opposite, it would have more effect on. Larger vehicles which, of course, are more dangerous than smaller vehicles, so I would just like all of us to think about whether as as the vehicle mix has changed, whether we should reconsider the mitigation methods that we use Thank you. Thank you curt. Okay, all right that's all i'm seeing. I saw someone in the chat who maybe couldn't find. Oh, thank you yeah. Deborah okay yeah i'm i'm going to actually go I see Len raised by i'm actually gonna go to Deborah first because she did chime in, let me find her real fast.

[103:03] Okay, all right Deborah i'm going to go ahead and unmute you. see if you can do that. hi can you hear me. We hear you Fine, let me start your. name, my name is Deborah in I live in 30 69th street on the block just north of Dell would. If driving behavior is similar to ninth street north and south of Dell would then I am in full support of the speed humps for Dell would. an observation and a recommendation I have is that, though the westerly bump proposed for Dell would that perhaps it could be moved closer to the STOP sign to encourage people to actually stop. So that is one of the problems in both directions on dealt with, as well as on ninth street.

[104:00] It is my hope the intersection of dealt with the ninth will be addressed holistically for speeding and non compliance of the STOP sign. and hopefully you'll see my application for some engineering. solutions for for the poor driving behavior on ninth street, thank you very much for your time. Thanks everyone. All right next up, we have Lynn Lynn i'm going to go ahead and unmute you. Oh, where did you go. And maybe you change your mind if you do want oh there we go. Okay, then you should be good to go. yeah I was just trying to lower it since I was there okay and. I would have liked to have seen ross's imagery for a shared screen and I think that obviously the tab would evaluate from it, too, I know there's no dialogue, I get it, there should be.

[105:10] That should be changed also but on my comments i'm going to reserve to. The more traffic that we're getting in town. The more that tab delays on making a quantitative assessment of the impact of each human being added to the population overloading are carrying capacity and jamming traffic. impacts onto our streets, the more money we're going to need and the more many we're already in deficit of and. Why are we in that situation.

[106:02] We need to be. Charging this not to the people that. are living here in the neighborhoods and not wanting to have the impacts of traffic, but it needs to be imposed upon the the the developers that run this town and the way that that can be dealt with is through a per capita traffic impact. quantification. For each development that happens. Just like they have you know 25%. affordable housing that. affordable housing goes far to get. projects approved. And that. affordable housing creates more than need for more affordable housing and it's in a cycle of despair of growth.

[107:04] In a cycle of despair of more and more traffic impacts and more and more speed humps and more and more of all these traffic mitigation devices. And more and more dissatisfaction on the part of the Community in in having a nice quiet and peaceful existence, so please consider the bigger picture of what's going on here, which is lowering the demand for the traffic mitigation, to start with. Dan. Thank you. that's all I see. yeah, let me just do one quick check of the chat. yeah right sorry we're just using the chat for technical issues about the meeting, but thank you. yeah I think we're all set.

[108:01] Okay, all right, we will close this public hearing. and move to tab discussion. And I will say i'm going to have my attention divided for a little bit here, and so I would like to. hand over chairing the meeting to Alex our Vice chair, I will be listening i'm going to turn on i'll have my video on as as available i'm still. At the meeting, but I think I won't be able to attend as closely as I would like to to be able to properly chair the meeting so i'm gonna let Alex take over from here. Members have any. thoughts before we entertain a motion. Alex there was one of the projects. And it's it's the one over by southern hills, I think, between totally and knocks and there was some.

[109:04] It seems like there's different sets of data around that one there's our data that comes from the staff analysis and then there is fog saying, does the only time there's reading is around the school pickups. sort of twice a day and that's also a you know huge congestion issue and, therefore, is it really an NS MPs is an SMP really going to solve that when it's a peaking problem. And I wanted to invite Ryan or anyone else on the team to comment on that particular situation because my my sense is that the SMP is is not necessarily going to solve a one time, congestion, plus speeding picking issue. yeah that's your right, so that SAP is not going to necessarily solve the issue is around pick up and drop off for some for southern hills or fairview live on that said.

[110:08] You know, we collected speeding volume data in 2019 as well as 2020 and there weren't significant differences, especially on the section, where we are proposing the speed on East of. Hastings so the 85th percentile speed was within one mile an hour of the speed we collected in 2019 you know and there's a number of things that could influence that difference on, I would say that we actually saw higher 85th percentile speed. On the Western side between Hastings and knocks in 2019 than we did last year, so you know, but again, we looking at the data we you felt like it was. Okay, and appropriate, given the feedback we received to remove the speed on that section from the proposal.

[111:06] So, so what you're saying is when school was not in session, you are still saying issue right guy. We also you know so i'd like to point out, as well you know because we did get that feedback from a number of residents, and so we have been working with older valley school district officials, we had a an onsite meeting, I believe it was in fall of 2019. With our operations group itk was there myself, as well as landon from bsd and a few other folks a few principles, and so I, we are, we are. Working on an initiative there to address some of those issues it was delayed because of code so certainly we can. reach out and try to jumpstart that process again, and you know I mean I would be happy to hold a neighborhood meeting to talk about some of those specific issues but um you know, speaking as an issue that will be addressed with travel calm and devices.

[112:06] it's not gonna address other issues, and what other issues won't necessarily fix the. problem. got it thanks friends. I should have asked this question. Earlier, a new tab question and answers. But. Before I go on a commentary Brian is the department's policy about using stop signs as a speed mitigation. device. So we denied years Apps for speed mitigation traffic calming we use them for traffic control, we will install them in tandem or alongside a. SNP project if they're warranted, but again, you know, there are federal standards that we need to follow when we're installing stop signs because we don't want them to be ineffective and you know we don't want people ignoring them.

[113:13] Okay, thank you for reminding me of of that. i'm simply going to say that. i'm going to support this particular slate of SMB projects. And, and I do so for. The reasons that. The more I learn and study are innocent the process, the more I realized that this is a neighbor initiated process which doesn't mean it's perfect but it's a neighbor initiated process the barrier to entry is is not. insignificant, you have to get out, you have to collect signatures from your neighbors, we have to do a traffic study, we have to do a speed study and and we've we collectively tab and staff and develop what I think is a good objective scoring criteria and.

[114:16] And I think it's too bad that many times neighbors feel like these projects are sprung upon them, but you know we all have lives that. Sometimes it's difficult to find all the mail to open and and how to respond to things, but I think the city in general, the department does and Ryan, in particular. does an excellent job of public outreach before we before we make a decision about which projects to move forward with I also want to say that. In in a little north of me we've installed on quince we've installed traffic calming experimental.

[115:04] Temporary traffic calming devices on quince all of a horizontal nature rather than a vertical nature, and if you read the next door thread on that. which I responded to a couple instances, but there's lots of oh gee if you could only just put in some speed humps wouldn't that be great so as soon as and then on the streets, where we're proposing speed bumps, then the response as well gee can't we can we do horizontal diversion. So anyway we're kind of between them between but, in general, I just want to say that I think we've developed a very good, not a perfect process, but a very good process that. yields results and and I am one that I, I really truly to test the idea that the street in front of my house is mine weather isn't parking or speeding or speed humps or whatever.

[116:08] And I advocate for Community wide solutions, and I think our nsp program offers Community wide solutions and yes sure traffic does get diverted at times. But people way that decision of whether to reverse the speed hump and I want to emphasize speed bumps are designed to be reversed. At the at the maximum speed and Ryan correct me if i'm wrong, but a speed home is designed to be comfortable in reversed by most vehicles at 20 miles an hour. If the street speed maximum speed limit is 20 miles per hour than the speed hump is designed so it can be gone across at 20 miles an hour Is that correct. Well, so we advise speed and 50 miles an hour number speed, generally speaking.

[117:02] You know, and then the idea is with the 20 mile an hour speed limit to make sure that between people aren't. Excessively being are getting above that $20 an hour mark. You know, but I think. A good point that was brought up earlier, you know it does it does vary, I mean there's not depending on what you're driving. You know, maybe all the rest of it 20 miles an hour or you may not be able to I drive a Honda civic and when I drive over them at 20 miles an hour they're not comfortable and Dr of them at 16 or 17 they feel Okay, so it just depends on vehicle it's not a. One size fits all yeah well we can't we can't we can't design a single immutable object for all vehicles, so we do our best anyway um I simply want to conclude with. You know.

[118:01] We we are confronted with safety issues comfort issues and. And, and this program in my eyes does a good job for the greater good and and and the improvements even even a asphalt speed home. When when things change vehicles change whatever they're they're not immutable we can we can we can move, we can change we can modify and. I think that, in general I think the the SMP is responsive to neighbors and and we need to carry forward, because it does reach our goals and, finally, I will say. That those that claim that Oh, we only have speeding during school school delivering delivering children in school well gee that would be the time that we would most want.

[119:03] To mitigate speed would be at those at those peak hours and that's certainly not a reason to avoid speed mitigation in your schools. Thanks. Ryan. I am very supportive of the program and support where Ryan staff are proposing general here, I also want to just recognize and thank Ryan, so this work, because I know that when you're getting right up in near people's houses. People have a tendency option to assume and project personal ownership over that space around them, even though it's public right away. This is a similar dynamic, I think, with parking in which people have gotten used to a feeling that they have a claim over something that the city has been spending money on in a certain way. But it's the case, I think, in both of these issues that we're learning, there are really significant externalities to the unmitigated subsidy of cars and just sort of you know, letting them move as quickly as people might want them to so it, just as I listen public comment and very.

[120:18] I can really hear both you know everybody's made a good point that I heard, but it I just sort of feel like this, this kind of this is kind of a proxy like perspectives on this tend to be approximately from do you want to eliminate the conference and friction of. Or do you want us to stop the elimination of putting things in a way of comfortable frictionless motor vehicle travel or do you want to work towards an ecosystem that values more modes and uses besides the car and the personal truck or SUV. And in that both with respect to helping other modes cyclists pedestrians be more encouraged to be out on the roads and also to be.

[121:02] Put a real premium on safety for for kids for for vulnerable users outside and, of course, the city has multimodal goals or struggling to to well, maybe that's too strong, of a word, but we have work to do to. achieve them, and so I think we really do need is a principle, the focus on the second. And it's reasonable to say, well, but at what cost, and I think what we've heard is whether it's maybe 20 miles an hour is not comfortable drive over them so 15 miles an hour is is is is more so good. that's not I don't think that's a huge cost to do this, and so on the question of data either it's come up a few times. I suppose I would be inclined to flip it around and say we should be trying to calm the streets of vehicles in general and the the burden of not doing that is what should require data. If there's a good reason not to you know let's talk about it, but that should be the burden and it did hear the interesting suggestion that.

[122:07] Speed bumps might display traffic on to other other. Other streets I i'd be surprised if speed bumps it may maybe they will, but I suppose, in that case let's just increase the deployment of the speed bumps and bruises and you know calm calm traffic. Throughout the neighborhoods where we have places where we have sensitive users and other modes. So that's mostly what I have to say, although a final one thing i'm Mr Nord back and said about. That using horizontal displacement to reflect, you know vehicle is getting bigger and bigger that seems like a great idea, it probably sounds like beyond the scope of this exercise, but. That would welcome that the chance for the city to consider options for for that sort of thing going forward so so good done good job and I support this. Excuse me just respond to that last thing you said so we, we are looking at trying to use horizontal.

[123:08] deflection traffic calming devices and simple projects, the challenge with doing is. At least if you're not doing you could certainly doing with being postponed it to do, like a capital project. Hard scape concrete thing. That they're just more expensive than speed bumps and so, generally speaking, we can only do one of them personal project and so. For a longer street if we can only do one thing in the middle of a launch street it'll be effective in that very specific location and now for the rest of the street. So I would say, for simple projects going forward using horizontal deflection so curve extensions chicanes tracks or roles would be appropriate on shorter streets or streets, where we have another reason why we cannot build a speed on.

[124:13] yeah. Thank y'all um I too am leaning toward approving the the proposed list. We always underestimate I think how much interest some of these projects, getting the often there's one or two that flare up and. I am mindful as mark commented that this is a wildly popular program and people ask for it, I am sensitive to the critique that sometimes people don't hear about it early enough to to weigh in. And to register their descent or feel that their descent is being registered to those people who are listening tonight and who have written in. and taking the time I do want to assure you we read them and we consider them and an occasion it's only happened really once that a project has been completely pulled.

[125:12] Because of dissent or disagreement among the neighbors but uh some of you have written to Ryan about your concerns and he's discussed a little bit tonight about how some of these projects, get changed or amended in response to some of the concerns and so there are people who are. uncomfortable with the initial proposal and I want to commend staffs flexibility and responsiveness to those critiques now to the larger critiques that we've been hearing in particular about the the process, not just you know that dissent isn't Wade. And to the critique about it being an ownership of your of your own block and we really when we were developing the criteria for this program. Which is not perfect and I understand we will be revisiting that criteria before scoring the next round of of applications, I think we talked about that earlier in the spring Ryan.

[126:10] I had always had a problem with it just being the people who live right there who were able to request it, I had thought that there was. Particularly for streets near a school or a park that are more Community resources that there might be very valid and invested people who might want to request. safer streets and slower streets near them who didn't necessarily live right there and so that's you know one thing i'm going to ask us to look at again. But to the idea that it needs to be a majority rule about what exactly gets put there that's just not how to seize work we have. Very talented and experienced and professional staff and when these projects begin, they are a petition to the city government to say we have a problem, please measure the problem, please weigh it.

[127:00] along a set of criteria to determine is our problem bad enough to get fixed and all of these projects are scored and wait, according to the same criteria that we have grown as a group, developed. and will continue to think about and refine but that, in part, was meant to counteract some of the sort of gut reactions of people who say well i've lived here for 30 years and it's not that big of a deal. We have measures in place to literally quantify how big a deal, it is how many people are breaking the rules by how much. In order to remove some of the subjectivity of it, and so, based on that i'm really surprised that some of these priests scored the way that they did. But that's the data and I trust, Brian and I trust our city staff, and I believe in the data, and that is fundamentally the basis on which I am. I am behind the staff recommendation I continue to be disappointed that are only two and went to boxing's to be a speed hump I do think that we're moving toward.

[128:05] chicanes with some more creative ways to to restrain speeds, but I hear the critiques that we've gotten from the city, I think all of tab has been reading and aware of. The dissenting voices and I just wanted to make sure you know we're not ignoring you we just don't agree on the balance of what the transparency and the and the data for the backing up these projects, I think, speaks for itself and i'm going to support the proposals. Thanks dealer Thank you addressing the methodology was really important and something that tab has had the ability to help the city staff refine over the years. We don't have the products before us, and that gives me some confidence in it. to projects that I think are worthy of extra attention or ludlow where it sounds like Ryan has addressed some of the concerns that were brought forward and the.

[129:01] Lengthy engagement, we heard from and i'll read from the neighbors there and I find that the recommended approach is a good compromise. Based on the feedback that was received and addresses and meet that is present outside of school rush hour and then walnut, which is an interesting street, especially given how many speeding vehicles per day, I appreciate the. ideas that are brought forward I think in there, the roadways a little constrained and stats approach with the three stop sign or the three speed bumps in the consideration of a stop sign at 23rd. Our our while we can do with the current tools we have, as always, I appreciate the public input on this, this is one of the things we hear the most about throughout the year, even those descending. One concern of mine is that I think this last cycle 80% of applicants qualified for speed mitigation, which means we're on our way to be in the speed bump capital, the world which I don't think is.

[130:03] The best thing but. And in a last year, we are in the in a span of a year we're gonna spend about a half million dollars on 10 of these projects that consulting fees and the data collection that complex projects, really. drive the cost up of this program overall so thinking citywide if we end up with 80% of our streets qualifying it feels like there's there's no end in sight, and that makes me somewhat nervous. Considering 80% of our crashes happen on our materials and this programs mostly just to make our status streets marginally safer so we're that we could probably use. Our overall dollars a little better, especially when arterial streets qualify for grant funding, and these are mostly out of pocket expenditures. But based on all the feedback we've received and this obligation, I think the city has to the people who've taken the time. to submit applications for these projects and weighing the each of these proposed projects on the merits that tab has had an input on over the past year and years prior i'll end up supporting the slate of projects, as recommended by staff.

[131:16] If there's nothing else we can. come in 1111 more quick thing I should have brought it up when I was speaking earlier. About telus comment reminded me um there's certainly a tendency for you know some streets, to be more activist and others, and I do worry about. Is there a mechanism for less engaged, maybe. I hate to use the word but less privileged streets are ones for folks don't know these mechanisms is there an equity dimension on this, that that when we're thinking about this program down the road not tonight.

[132:03] We can think about if there's if there's a construct around it. That can that can. Add to the mix streets where where people simply don't understand this mechanism and how they might produce more safety for themselves and i've brought up before the potential for linking that to schools and. Areas for their schools so that's more a comment than than anything around this sleep, I certainly support this sleep. Thanks. And a question for staff, I think, in the past, we voted on these all as a group, and last year, I believe we did them one by one, do you need them done, one by one, or would it be possible if a motion was brought forward to the entire site that we could vote on them I. believe you can vote on all at once. Unless you were going to recommend we don't move forward with one.

[133:04] Or, more than you'd call it out. Okay does anyone objects to voting on these all as one group. I don't see any objection to that would anyone like to bring forward emotion. i'd like to move, we approve. The seven. And SMP simple projects presented to us this evening for installation. me discussion. All those in favor. See five votes and very. Thanks to all the members of the public who turned out for this and we do read all of the input we received from you and feel free to keep in touch with us after implementation these projects, so let us know.

[134:08] How they're how they're working. And with that we'll move to the next briefing agenda item six, which is the state. highway. or 19 by quick conceptual alignment options, I believe we are joined by some Members from the county to help support that I see pk to submit it as well. Just introduce our colleagues from the county. take it away. Excellent and Stacy is Alexandra Philips running us see me. Here I think as well, yes. So there, she is going to. Look at anything tab and I would just like to introduce the site and tonight, this is about the exciting 119 bike way project. The City of boulder has been staff has been coordinating with boulder county on some conceptual alignment options here and.

[135:02] We have some guests, we have Stacey proctor project manager for boulder county and also bike planner Alexandra Phillips, and so, with that I will turn it over to Stacey to offer you a short presentation. screen here. Okay, great Thank you so much for having us and really appreciate you taking the time to hear from us and provide your input, I know it's been a long, long agenda a lot of discussion already so appreciate you sticking with us here. The purpose of our presentation tonight is to give an update on the Colorado highway 119 bike way project. The design and get your input in particular on the conceptual alignment options that we have for the South terminus at the older end of the project and just reminder, this is an informational.

[136:11] Presentation only the, no, no, no decisions are requested. As the boulder county project team i'm again Stacey proctor i'm the project manager for the county and then Alexander Philips who's also here tonight is our public engagement lead and also the county's bike planner. And then we also have tanya luber on our team and she's the regional sales planner for the county. And then of course we're working very closely with. All of our coordinating agency and the Agency partners, including the city of boulder city of long lot and then also our TD si dot and Community solutions. And then, our consultant team, we have a few books, I wanted to just mention molars our new design engineering consultant, and then we're also working with close a and cdr associates for outreach and engagement.

[137:10] In terms of kind of project background I don't know how familiar, everyone is on this, I wanted to just spend a few minutes of kind of. How we got to where we are with the bike way the 119 bike way so back in 2014 when our dd did the Northwest area mobility study, there was a separated by facility was identified as a recommendation as part of that. That study and then. Our TV also did a PL and it was a little bit further refined the idea of a bike way between boulder in longmont and then in 2019 see did a conceptual study that. The conceptual design for the bike way and then since that time boulder county has kind of taken over we've received a grant to do the design.

[138:00] And so we're right now in the process of doing the concept plan review and refinement based on what you don't have so finding that based on additional data, including environmental data land survey information that we received and public input. So we're in that process now and then hopefully in the next few weeks we'll be moving into preliminary design and then final design. This project is one of the counties or the winning team quarters and other counties top priority mobility projects. And right now we're assuming that the construction costs for the bike way would be between 30 and $35 million we don't currently have any. Funding for construction, but we are actively pursuing construction funding and working with all of our partners to to figure out how to get paid for, and hopefully by the time we're ready to build it will have money to move forward.

[139:00] This is just a high level overview of our schedule, the main thing I wanted to just point out is that we're kind of at this beginning phase here of. stakeholder engagement and that will have additional rounds of engagement, as even through the process, but this is kind of our first opportunity to really hear from the Community, and another stakeholders about what what they think about how we're moving forward. This shows the conceptual alignment with some potential alternative alignments that we're looking at on the north and south end ritual or get into a little bit more in detail, one thing I wanted to point out here, as you can see, at 72. If you there's not enough there's not a medium there right now but see God is looking at. Adjusting that intersection to be consistent with the other intersections along when 19 and so.

[140:02] Based on that assumption they're moving forward with that direction we've moved the alignment to stay in the median throughout the whole corridor so basically that the idea is that the bike way would be within the median. Between boulder and online, and then we have some some options on how to get outside of that median on both North and South end that we're looking at. One of the things that we've been really trying to emphasize with this project is that we really see this as the bike way on 119 minutes really filling a gap. To the folder has a lot of great bicycle facilities, the one that has a lot of bicycle facilities and so really if we can complete the. bike way people will be able to get from downtown longmont to downtown boulder and vice versa, and the communities in between, on a separate bike bicycle facility.

[141:01] So are our goals and vision for the bike ways for to be safe direct accessible and comfortable and you can see kind of below. How we're defining that so with safety we're looking at great separated crossings at high volume intersections and enhance enhance crossing that. At the other intersections that we have with get lighting save conflict zones those kinds of things from a safety perspective direct you know we're really looking at something that's going to make this. A an appealing commuter path so something that's not meandering and circuitous but something that's really direct as much as possible and minimize the length. of greed separations there's not a lot of reading it lights those kinds of things and we want it to be accessible and something that all user types. will feel comfortable using we also want to make sure we have connections to the trails to the future bus rapid transit that's you know, is working on and have really good first and final mile connections.

[142:06] And then comfort we're looking at a little bit wider path and the standard bike facility. One want to accommodate he bakes you know get around maintenance so plowing in the winter, so that people can use it, regardless of the weather. On so I kind of mentioned this before the typical section concepts that we're looking at so it's a standard with bike path is generally 10 feet we're proposing a 12 foot. With for this path and then looking for the high activity areas, so these would be areas, reduce it to transit stops underpasses. Other crossing just areas where there might be a higher volume of a track at traffic and then, in particular, pedestrians we're kind of looking at two different options either. A bike waste facility and then more of a casual zone for pedestrians and maybe slower cyclists or similar to what.

[143:07] Is that the on broadway your see you having a. bike lane in each direction, and then a separate lane for pedestrians So those are some options that we're looking at and interested to hear your thoughts on those options. This is the north end connection alternatives so i'll share these with you just so you're aware and interested to hear your input as well, but. At the longmont side of things so there's three different alignment options that we're looking at right now, so the red is what was in the concept design that setup completed. So basically that it would. You would cross under after north of fordham street and then connect into the existing. will tell you this path along.

[144:02] That North side of the of the road Northwest I guess and then. alternate options are the blue option, where we would cross under the southbound lane on. south of airport and then. connect again into the Multi use path that is in long line, and then the third option that we're looking at is the. gold alignment where we basically continue in the media and all the way up to the underpass that's there near Oskar blues So those are kind of the options were looking at. The Green dotted lines or potential future connections to the logo trail and something that we've heard from people and really would help with the connection to some of the neighborhoods on the east side of long lot. And then the options that we're looking at at the south end but really looking at basically two options so there's the red, which was again the conceptual alignment.

[145:10] Where we would connect near the pleasant view soccer fields and then go under 47 there's kind of there's already a bridge there and it looks like we can kind of re grade and could just. pass over the existing bridge and then an underpass to get well, you have cross former former Canyon creek and then an underpass to get into the median there. And then the alternate what really started looking at after this new development went in and then we'll tell us path that was built there we thought there might be an opportunity to. To use that facility and so we're the alternate alignment that we're working with be connecting to that facility that's been built and either crossing formal Canyon creek or potentially.

[146:00] Using the wide shoulder on. to cross the creek to avoid another crossing and floodplain impacts so we're looking at that and have a meeting in a couple of weeks with both. city of boulder answer the alarm lot floodplain staff to can get their input on these options, because the. Right alignment is the folder floodplain jurisdiction and the blue alignment is boulder county so kind of get input for both of those folks on that, so this one, the our consultants kind of been recommending the blue alignment but. we're still looking for input so. it's not written in stone, but that's sort of where their recommendation is and, primarily, I think the big thing, for that is just really it really helps connect more into the southern. The southern part of boulder so with 47th in the future, protected bike lane or will take us path that's planned or if it's in your plans.

[147:02] We connect into the foothills path and just a lot of connections from there, so really thinking that. that people will be able to go South and West, from from that little alignment if that's where we go but there's obviously pros and cons to both of them and we're weighing those and want to hear hear what people think about those options. And then, lastly, I did I did want to give a little bit of more information about there's a lot happening with 118 and we're all coordinating closely together and using sure heard about the. what's the boulders doing with the street business access transit lanes project longmont has their coffin street and Hoover intersection project. And then we also have a lot happening within 119 quarter or so we're working really closely with si.in our TV to make sure that the bike way alignment works with whatever highway improvements, you know it works on.

[148:02] With the new brt park rides and transit facility so we were meeting regularly with them and coordinating to make sure that those designs. integrate and then we're also working on what we're calling a touch once approach so as we move towards construction that it, you know see that's working on their state highway 52. intersection that can we build the underpass for the bike way at the same time, rather than having come back and do that later so we're coordinating on that and hoping timing and funding stars align to make sure that that happens before. So this is our project website i'm happy to you can sign up for information you have a survey out right now, it would be great to hear from the Community in boulder what you think, so I would love for people to take the survey. Give comments ask questions those kinds of things my contact information is on the website as well, I realized I didn't put it up here, so you can find my name and contact information on our website.

[149:09] And then yeah i'm happy to answer any questions just a couple of prompts for that just, are there any clarifying questions or on this or background and then do you have any. comments on the prefer to live in an option for the folder and have a bike way and also just happy to hear. Thank you. Stacey. yeah first any questions start to. Think Stacy can you back up a couple of slides and go to the slide with the South alignment option. yeah now one so i'm a little confused because there's an existing underpass that's not shown on here that I don't know how it would. tie in or not tie in or be useful, but between you can see where the formal creek pass comes across as yeah and so there's an underpass just great under your arrow there that's existing right now.

[150:10] It goes under the highway. And it goes under the highway right yeah yeah so yeah that's not marked here but yeah it goes under both of these. are young yeah I am yeah we help them make sure we add that on there. But why Would that not be useful for maybe tying in some of these options um. yeah I think because we're yeah it's kind of a tight places place there, and I want to go the other way right like so the underpass here is getting us under the highway. But then we also have to get over the creek, so I think those are kind of the two things so he. yeah so yeah so here like i'm sorry.

[151:01] But i'm so if we went with them not was a red alignment with the blue alignment people could access it from formal Canyon creek this path here yeah you come from the south here. Right or they could. They can yeah or you can even cut I know people kind of come from iris and go along here and then kind of parking lot to this most popular here so yeah. Those those senior same beat OK, so the existing on your planet cast just kind of stays. South of the creek yeah. Okay sounds good. Okay, and so that's why we would still need to. get us into the median. Which is a little bit right here, right, so we still have to get into the median. So right. And then. And then the red alignment shown there would require a bridge over that creek. area yeah bridge over the creek and then an underpass down here okay.

[152:06] Thanks. Any other questions. Okay, any feedback on the alignment on the builder into things cross section or other general thoughts. um yeah i'm in terms of this, the southern end of it, I prefer the red alignment that spending discussed because of the direct nature that and I spent a lot of time writing recreationally through this area and I can say that the. The dashed black alignment would be particularly uncomfortable along along the highway. That is not one that I think would be of interest to many cyclists and.

[153:06] So anyway i'd like to read alignment and appreciate that, as I as i've reviewed this project, the only other thing I. I was glad to see in your set of slides that direct is a is a being direct and being efficient is a is a is a criteria and. and safety is a criteria and to both those things, there are way more underpasses along this this route, then I then I. I start trying to add up underpasses in the county and I don't know what that number is, but I can tell you it's it's less than in the city. And the city has a lot of experiences with with underpasses and my experience as a cyclist with the city's underpasses is they are poorly drained and they are dangerous in the winner, and I would.

[154:03] suggest that there is a lot to be learned from. city underpasses in the winner that are exceptionally dangerous at the entry and exit points for commuting cyclists that are focused on getting to work. focused on getting to work on a cold snowy day that the previous day was warm so whether it's right along with our excellent. snow plowing crew, because I I don't fault our snow plowing through with anything they do a great job clearing snow and doing it. Well, and I think there's a lot to be learned from them, but the drainage, whether it's a from overhead from railroad tracks or roads above whether it's from hillside straining down and into an underpass there's just myriad conditions that provide for really.

[155:05] crash inducing. situations in our underpasses and again i've loved them, you know 70 80% of the time of the year, because they do make cyclists feel more comfortable and avoid many. stoplights etc, but anyway, I think there's a lot of the county can learn from the city's. Both experience and and designs that that could could be improved upon, I would urge you to really take advantage of our 60 some underpasses within the city limits to see what you would like to avoid doing. Okay yeah that's that's great advice I appreciate that we've definitely I think drainage is going to be a challenge for sure we've already identified that so. Any advice will be appreciated, I also wanted to just mention that the the dash black line is an existing bike lane so it's not under consideration as one of their alignment so it's just the red or the blue, but I hear what you're saying about the red so.

[156:15] But thank you. yeah Thank you. So so Stacy this is hutch i'm i'm mildly in favor of the blue, under the scenario that we actually know what happens when we hit 47th. And that's because of a conception, which may not in any way be put out by data that a considerable portion of the cyclists will want to continue. down what becomes foothills as opposed to go and cross iris. About cause of where you know, employment and housing, and everything else might might be that these people might be coming from. If they're coming from North boulder that come across that other path so i'm not I just think it's it's useful to really think about the connectivity into the complex and bike paths on either side of foothills going south, and right now, it feels like we go like oops we're done.

[157:19] And I know there's ideas about 47th etc, so that that would that would determine my choice, but if I felt good about those i'd be biased toward the blue. end up. having trouble hearing you. was pretty sold on what mark was saying, and I was going to ask you Stacy to if there was a counterpoint because I wasn't sure if I heard a strong recommendation either way, but I think I think, maybe touch just offered it and it reminds me that.

[158:03] i've talked to parents who are coming for me the side taking kids to school and we're at school season now with it with this maybe essie trying to encourage people to do things doesn't drive your car so. I don't know if there's a good way to ask bsd parents if they have preferences that I think a big customer here on folks would be you'd be using that and now I could be wrong, maybe it's too small, the number but anyway, just to procedural thought. yeah that's something we can look into I don't. know. How many people are going to schools that way, but we should definitely check it taking them up. Thanks so um I slightly prefer the red line, and I have to say and partly it's because it does it feels more direct to me.

[159:00] I think that. The point is, is well taken that the Blue alignments. At the finish point with 47th or so gets a little bit closer to the beginning of the top of the foothills path. I think, for the connections to the Wonderland creek path it's hardly better and, in any event at 47th street seems fairly direct but I couldn't tell from here whether I mean it looks like. The red alignment doesn't really meet up well with 47th street so I, my second hutches comment, like, I have to know how that happens, so if I can't get on to 47th street with that future protected bike lane or multi use path then it's not a terribly good. connector but if there was a way to get on to 47 times I would probably prefer as just as a commuting cyclist to be using foothills and then take 47th and connect to that red alignment it just feels more direct you're not weaving around the neighborhood.

[160:03] And as far as the dash blue line goes when I saw that and realize, where it was going to be going against traffic that's all. northbound fairly high speed motor vehicles, at that point to be sharing. shoulder going the wrong direction toward them struck me as nightmarish, so I would strongly discourage. yeah. Yes, definitely um. yeah and I see Alexandra. who, with her hand up so go ahead Alexandra. Thank you, I just wanted to chime in because you're all really pinpointing exactly the issue, excuse me, the concept plan originally you know the red line we quickly realized that that was a very awkward connection to the foothills path, but doing the blue line to the black to 47th. The hope we're thinking is that it would be a slight, even though it wouldn't be as direct as the red line if you're going westbound into the city that it's an easier connection to make.

[161:10] But that is that's something to really think about what you know how do you make that we have to. If we're picking one or the other, how do we make both those connections work, because we will have people going in both directions and your comments have just really highlighted that it's. The trade offs here, so thank you, this has been very helpful, I just wanted to chime in and. The other thing I wanted to mention, too, that we didn't talk about was, I think, part of part of why we were sort of looking at the blue alignment, as well as some of the was on irs the. The path of one direction only on the on one side, and so, and then crossing crossing iris was a bit complicated so.

[162:04] That might be something else, just to consider that if we are looking at the red line that, how can Are there things we can do to make that connection on the irs if people are trying to. Somehow go go that direction and builder that can be felt a little bit easier it's about something else me. Again, I think that speaks to why we have some cyclists in this area using 47th street is because that iris you know it's it's a it's a divider and notwithstanding the the crash that happened last month at this location. It is a safer feeling option than trying to cross iris without the help of a of a of a signal. To as a daily commuting cyclist I would probably choose 47th street if I was trying to connect to the foothills path into either of these alignments and not really use that tail end of the iris and i'd always been confused with that Northern leg of.

[163:06] The Irish bike path like it was a bike path coming from nowhere, and I remember, we did a. bike ride was one of the tip bike tours like four or five years ago, and I was like Where are those cyclists supposed to be coming from because it seemed like, no one would ever come that way so. Again, the red line that is kind of delivering what we had we had planned but that's a fair question to ask is this a good plan for them. I think for for directness I still prefer it. yeah great yeah Thank you yeah. i'd be curious we get a little bit of the best of both by going with the red alignment and then additionally a multiuse path that runs from the diagonal crossing maybe the intersection of independence and 47th in parallels 47th street down to the foothills. This is the wunderland creek bike path.

[164:03] yeah. I. know from the. intersection of independence and 47th. Here right there and then just paralleling 47th street to the south. South so no bridges or underpasses involved, maybe a railroad crossing it'd be difficult. But having walked around this area bit checking out some of the sites of the fatal crashes that have happened recently. I was amazed at how disconnected the diagonal crossing was from neighborhoods nearby if you're on foot with 47th street having limited crossings. And only a sidewalk on one side of the street and being an arrow sidewalk at that, so if we could fit in a Maltese path, there could provide some. connectivity options for those biking between destinations on the diagonal and bolder and also probably facilitates and turning movements within boulder. People making movements from traveling along the diagonal and then maybe also trying to access iris, and so we, I think we get a lot of benefit and directness with the red alignment that could.

[165:14] provide some other connectivity options and improve the pet bike access bad and crossing the process created a parallel path as well. Okay yeah that's a great question I know we were kind of looking at this is a private properties and we're kind of what the world. Could could that be something we look at. Could it be on the West side of the street, though. That you see that. I think this is. The folder right this road 47 yeah so yeah we I don't think we looked at that side of the road, I think we, when we were looking at it on paper correct me from wrong, I think we are working more on this little triangle here now. I think wes would be just as good and maybe even align with the existing will tell us paths in that area as well.

[166:04] But the the railroad crossing and getting a perpendicular crossing that railroad could be tricky for many reasons. Any other tab feedback or questions. If I could just jump in a little bit, and we were talking about how to connect the red alignment to 47th street because there's a vertical separation there and it seems to me no worse than. The same kind of hill you have to climb on the foothills past at Pearl street, for instance it's not great, but it's you know you have to do it to get over the railroad again and it's not the kind of hell that's going to deter a daily commuter. You know, we already deal with with stuff like that and it's just you know, one of the. One one of one portion of the ride but it's it's I don't think it's going to be so formidable as to discourage a huge portion of the intended users at this path, if we managed to connect it. yeah alligator Do you remember i'm trying to remember exactly what that area looks like I feel like there is a path that goes up.

[167:07] near there, but I can't remember how that all looks I think that's a great idea because I. kind of just goes through the. parking lot you get diverted through the parking lot there. yeah I was kind of a path that goes up. somewhere. CC there's not a path today. Okay here that connects in the underpass is an existing underpass over one night. right there, and so they would be utilizing. are actually 47. realizing the existing underpass in that. Case right. able to fit in a multi use path and that section, and then the grade from from highway to the existing path is pretty minimal. wow. They see. An unrelated question because. In my head and maybe another's heads, this is essentially a highway for bikes.

[168:04] But I know, at least in some of the conversations you guys have been having and certainly in some of the design decisions there's there's a thought that people somewhere will be walking on this thing. And that, for me, was a consideration and thinking about the blue option, because there are fair now for a number of people living right there. In in that new housing development, who may actually want to walk a little further. in a different direction, and so that's the that was actually part of my logic trying to trade off the bicycles, who want to go directly and past at least some of them do. With those other usages. to your hands up.

[169:00] Right. Yes, sorry to belabor this, but maybe to save some time I asked a question about bsd and I just did a little more thinking and a little researcher and just just maybe to better articulate it, I suppose. The question is, what are the open enrollment schools and and how might they be affected just probabilistic Lee, so I think you've got vcs is it Community Montessori university hill those tend to be more in the south ish. And I noticed some of this because i've been talking with amy Thompson from the district routes on some of the there edm or but, in any case, I guess, maybe just answer the question so there's not. Much doesn't follow up that does me more in the selfish so i'm not saying you have to go with the blue I sort of like Marks ideas about about the read that it's that it's flattered but um I don't know if there's anything else to do on that with just just considering. What it looks like to move to move this, along with with possibly small kids you know families telling us where things might be worthwhile, but otherwise I.

[170:00] Think it's. Okay, thanks yeah. thanks for the clarification yeah thinking about those schools and how high open enrollment good. Anything else from tab. All right, thank you for joining us. yeah. thanks for having us and hopefully back. Sometime next year House back again and we can talk or get to the preliminary design awesome. Thanks to. Next, we have agenda items seven, which is the DCS update from carrots later. Can I see your screen, but cannot hear you. I just had to find the mute mute button which moves when you start sharing your screen.

[171:05] Alright So hopefully at this point, you see the full screen and not the presenter view. Okay, so again, for the record my name is Garrett Slater principal transportation projects engineer and i'm here to provide an update on where where you're at with the face to effort for the design and construction standards and older revised Code update. So recognizing that some of you all are new to the design and construction standards, a bit of a background here, so the DCS as it is known, it was created a number of years ago. 1998 was the most recent sort of comprehensive update and then it went through some additional updates and 2000 and then there were subsequent updates that happened in 2019. For both transportation transportation and utilities and in 2019 some of you might recall those updates were focused on providing additional guidance for pedestrian curb ramps or Ada ramps we sometimes refer to them as.

[172:13] As well as bike lane with standards to bring the DCS in alignment with at that time. I should put my slides don't advance please give me a reminder, thank you natalie so the the the. At that time we focus the effort narrowly and it was again to bring consistency between the low stress walk and bike network and the design and construction construction standards and. So the the designer construction standards are used to inform and guide and provide basic standards for how we implement transportation infrastructure and. The public right away for both capital improvement projects that are funded by the city, as well as for private development projects that happened, be a real estate and Community development.

[173:09] So it's a document that is used by us and capital projects in the transportation and mobility department, as well as by the Development review team. And the planning and development services department, as well as engineers that are doing work for both of those departments, as well as for engineers that are working with private developers. And so, at this point in time, we have identified a need for continued guidance and enhanced guidance to accommodate your design treatments and further that we would like to align our streets gaping and landscaping standards and details with our current practices inside of the bcs. So the purpose of the base to update that we're here to present tonight is to update portions of the standards that align with industry, best practices for.

[174:08] Safety mobility, sustainability and quality, and also to its I would not it's a larger step tasks gonna excuse me it's a. singular step and a larger process of updating the overall DCS so we have received Community feedback from tab and Community cycles and other interested stakeholders over the. years that the DCS should receive an update and various forums and that a number of the sections should be. given additional attention and treatment, so we are focused and the in the space to update and specific areas which i'll get to in just a moment. And so, if you're wondering why we are presenting this to you, I wanted to note the purpose of tab and the DCS and that the role of tab is to review proposed changes.

[175:05] As they apply to the implementation of the transportation master plan and capital projects so that is the the purview under which. we're here with you this evening and throughout the process is that it's your role to make sure that this this DCS is applicable and is consistent with the tmp as they implement the capital project side of things. So the specific sections that we're here to do to work on as a part of the phase two update include section 2.07, and this is focused on G our basic roadway geometry and roadway. And when I say roadway that also would entail not just vehicular but roadway geometry, as it relates to all users of the street so cyclists pedestrians and transit vehicles.

[176:02] And a couple of salient sections inside 2.07 that we would be paying attention to what include corner and intersection radio and lane wits and so lane lane wits as they relate to vehicle lanes, as well as. How those would interact at intersections and so forth, and then the other component of this as I noted will include updates to the landscaping and street scaping standards which would entail updates to it buffers irrigation. Standards and recommended plantings and so whatever it comes out of the section updates to 2.07 and Chapter three and 10 would be updated, also with Chapter 11, which is where the standard drawings for all of the individual chapters are located.

[177:00] So, within the street geometric design, I noted that some salient points that we would look at what include lane wits and. intersection rady I, this is the complete summary of the topics that would be addressed with their comprehensive review of the street, the geometric design and some of the tables that will be visiting. As we look at areas that we can update the DCS and an example of how this might be used on a public capital improvement project is that we are. about to embark on the preliminary and final design of the 30th street separated bike lanes project between Colorado and arapahoe. And the the DCS the phase one update that we went through in 2019 does provide guidance for standard bike lanes buffered bike lanes and separated bike lanes, but the. The thought is that some of these standards that we are exploring as part of the face to update would be useful as we're working on the 30th street bike lane.

[178:05] Project that's, not to say that we don't have the ability to go and seek a variance from the current minimum standards and implement something else, we certainly have that as an option, but it would inform the. DCS would be able to inform the 30 street project, as well as other similar type projects in the future, without having to go through that variance process. And then on private development projects, perhaps an example that comes to mind would be the junction place project which is between pro parkway and prairie. Jason to the REV development so just south of. boulder junction area and the depot square so it's that street is actually not open to the public, yet we recently constructed a bridge in partnership. With the the adjacent developer there, and that is going to be open to the vehicle, as well as pedestrian cycling traffic, we expect in the next month, it should be, hoping that that was a private development projects that relied upon the DCS for how it was constructed.

[179:14] Now over on the the landscaping side of things so both Chapter three and Chapter 10 as I noted focus on plantings and irrigation and street scaping standards. And some example of how this would be applicable is You might recall that the diagonal reconstruction projects between 28 street and foothills. And included several hundred plantings of shrubs and trees and and also encompass as pretty significant irrigation system. And so, some of that is going to be a bit of a challenge for our maintenance side of the department to be able to keep up with. It was a really great from a sustainability, and that obviously plantings are good for the climate in the environment that if we aren't able to take care of them, then, then.

[180:06] they're not going to be able to serve their highest and best purpose, and so we need to make sure we've got standards in place that ensure. The viability of our maintenance side to be able to take care of them, and so the best practices that have come forward through the recent transportation landscape plan. As well as some other green infrastructure plans will be incorporated into the DCS to make sure that we are we're built implementing plantings that we can take care of. you've probably seen places around town where the plantings have not done well and places where they have done well, and so we just want to make sure that the investment we're providing a front. On our landscaping and our soft scape and streetscape that we're able to preserve that investment and enhance the quality of the experience of being along our transportation facilities. So, and then also, I would also note that there's some obsolete standards that are in the DCS that we want to make sure we're addressing i'm sure.

[181:01] Many of you are familiar with the, the issue of the Emerald ash borer where the parks department is routinely going around and taking down. ash borer is because they are Emerald trees, because, excuse me Emerald ash trees, because of the Board problem and so those are no longer trees that we're implementing and so that's an example of also the kind of detail that would be sorted out through this effort. And then, finally, the effort will include some update of the section 997 or the boulder revised Code, including site triangles and, and this is an exhibit that comes straight from the brc. figure nine eight shows what a site triangle that intersection of streets would look like so as a parallel effort with this DCS update will be revisiting what site triangles should look like at these intersections. So the timeline of the project looks like this, we have gone through project scoping and consultants selection and we are.

[182:09] Now currently in the process of researching researching and developing initial recommendations for the DCS and then, when we. See you next on the DCS might matter will be in January or February 22 will be coming back to. Provide initial recommended revisions for the sections that we noted here on 207 and the landscaping ministry scaping standards. And then the plan is that by spring will be moving into final draft 90% revisions to bring to the boards, so there are other boards, that will be bringing this to. Aside from tab that will include the planning board and then in late spring will be looking to bring this to City Council for approval with. summertime publishing and updating and stop being trained on the updates. So the immediate next steps as I noted, as we're going to be going through making recommendations and on what the 60%.

[183:06] level of revisions should look like and then from a public engagement perspective, where you're going to be garnering feedback via the be heard bolder questionnaire and finalizing that inventory of revisions and then. revisiting this matter with tab and January to get the feedback on this track revisions. And so the questions we've got for you tonight are what questions might you have about your role in the projects, the overall process or about the Community engagement for the project so happy to take any questions you might have. thanks here. Since we're a little behind schedule i'm curious we're going to skip through this person by person address all three questions at once, would you like to go first.

[184:01] Thanks. Garrett, is there a phase three. There will be a phase three. And it's currently it's not sculpt and we don't have a definitive timeline for it. will get to phase three when we have more clarity around the the staffing and resources and budget to work on that. Okay, because you know the various agitators that you mentioned, you were spring this this this look, which is very welcome the revision process project we're very interested in in parking standards. Which isn't part of this, I think, though, the one thing that I was trying to make sure we do cover with with the sightlines revision. Was as far as I recall from going through the DCS. It doesn't. Really contemplate are some some commentary geometry here where there's a multi use path that separated from the roadway.

[185:02] And from what I can recall of really looking at the sightlines when the lucky's now whole foods development went in was that our our site triangles didn't envision that there would be a. Multi use path before the curb you know the sort of backup curb treatment that we're trying to. To get more frequently in town and that that would be a very big missing section or a section that needs to be kind of revised and paid attention to with this revision, so I guess, I just wanted to highlight that. Right and so as part of the brc 997 review that will be an area focus yeah. Okay, good um I forget what your questions were. But Oh, do we have questions about the process and outreach and. It would help. yeah and tabs role in this project, I think we're I think i'm good.

[186:02] hey what else. Alex is something bad rather you go first, if you if you'd be willing, because I think you'll have much smarter questions and ask them better than I would, if I was getting close to them, but I don't want to put you on the spot so. I don't know a whole lot. same curiosity that. Subsequent phase. Do you mind muting yourself. Sorry, say that again Alex. Do you mind meeting yourself yeah. Thanks, I was getting some feedback least on my end I mostly of the curiosity that Tila had about subsequent phases, I think, with our traffic studies and potentially get some site planning stuff there's a lot of opportunity for more collaboration between tab and the planning board. When it comes to parking. And traffic so he's especially that will require revising some chapters that are included in the scope but understand that it's you're not asking what we think should be in the scope now because that's dependent on many things that, out of all of our control.

[187:13] did have I did have one should I, so I go now. Okay, so Garrett and question I do, I guess, I have is maybe new two or three topics i'm just wondering if are covered under under i'm trying to follow the dialogue, but I guess the first question is So these are just sort of like like topic areas on. Application of slip lanes and and causing a terrain, in which families and whoever on bikes need to do a three phase crossing across the island pork chops. Is that is that the domain or DCS here and so that's something that might get treated in this this update like you know whether i'm when to create that kind of a geometry.

[188:00] So that's item specifically is not a part of 2.07 I can go back so you. can see the section 2.07 what that would entail. and What this shows here. In terms of the table and the topics is that right turn high pass lanes and sub lanes would not specifically be addressed. But I would say some of the content that's included in the scope. Very good directly what. The slope lane might look like. Okay, and you're not looking for feedback on whether those you know motion more directly, that it should more directly be covered, because you've already we've already got through that part of the process is that right. So. No, we haven't. got through that the I would say. that's probably. Some of what we would be looking at here. So, for example at intersections.

[189:00] i'm getting back I don't know if that's me or. The. The the the the corner Arabia, I, for example, could potentially identify how that might have an influence or an impact on what. Right term bypass islands look like. and How they would be treated, but I would also say that that's an area that we could look at as a part of a future phase for updating what they would look like. Or, or whether you know where they would be most appropriately used. In the city system so. I guess, to answer your question specifically right no we're not looking at those as a part of this phase two effort, but I would say what we do here would inform what they would look like in future phases. Okay okay fine thanks for that, then I guess I just just count count me as somebody who'd be interested in taking that one up you know, this is one of those places where this.

[190:04] Wonderful network and multi use past, you know revenue to the boulevards materials and creates all kinds of issues for people on bikes so um. So anyway, so that, and then I guess i'll try to be quick the other one is i'm i'm guessing answer this is no but, on the question of level of service, and it may be relaxing the. I guess needs for for level of services, a metric and level of service, study and as as something that can slow down or. I just kept getting away of doing more protected bike lanes is that something that either could be taken up in this or, if not now, in the future either way, please take take my support for taking that on. Right, so I would say that would also be a focus area for a future phase, we have the consultant tool design, with a set scope of work that we're focused on right now, and they have the budget we've got in the staffing we've got as about all we can take a bite of for the President.

[191:07] Of okay okay thanks guys appreciate it. might give you a hand up. Oh yes, I do. So. I appreciate Garrett, asking the question is, what are our questions about tabs role in this project, because I, I find this to be a great example. Of the tension and when I say tension I don't mean it in a pejorative or a negative contacts, but attention between a citizen advisory board it happens to have people on it like Alex that can. muscle their way through a a DCS and people like me that you know i'm a GM i'm an engineer in my dreams, but in real life i'm not and.

[192:09] So, as I studied the chapters that we are discussing today, I began at the beginning, and each chapter begins with intent so section on the streetscape design 3.01 a intent. And so I read the current intent, and I think that with any. design, construction any manual. it's obvious that it's good practice, to begin with what is the intent of the subsequent chapter and this case I read the intent and I thought. That really doesn't capture what I consider. The tmp.

[193:01] goals our climate crisis goals as as a as a good statement of intent. So I wrote what I thought might be a pass at that at the intent i'm happy to share it I can click on send and send it to everyone, as an email, I can share my screen, but the point i'm making is that I think an excellent role for tab in providing input. To changes to the DCS would be the check. Our intent and what our stated intent is and each chapter, whether it's in landscaping design, whether it's in. Specific corner radio. Whether whatever chapter, it is, I think it would be worthy of us to go back and look at the intense statement in each of those chapters and decide does that does that intent guide the subsequent.

[194:12] standards that are that we impose upon the rest of the Community, as we redesign streets and intersections and build buildings and create multi use pads so anyway, I think that's an area where our collective. smarts and intelligence and our collective input and guidance from the tmp could be an excellent guide for the rest of. Staff and and our consultants and everyone else, that if we if we begin with a beginning, that we can all agree upon that represents our goals and desires and intent then we'll have a better product on the outcome.

[195:01] I can't help her remember the words of our former capture bill regular who said always start with why. right there you go good. um so anyway, I think i'll click on send and. send this know so i've done my explanation, but anyway, I think it's, a challenge that we ought to take on so that's that's my comment. Anyone have anything else on this before we turn to matters. cool. pull up the agenda start matters from staff, we have a regional transportation update from gene. don't see chain here, are there any other matters from stuff.

[196:05] Gene gene is here, I think she was kind of coming in and out, but I think she's here right now. hey see her, she looks like she's trying to figure out how to. mute. Because I think she hopped back on and we didn't get our cost of the gene, let us know you can. Go. Jenny. Jenny is just gonna say Erica also can't unmute herself. Ah, let me as well, thank you. yep no problem. Thanks Jenny can everyone hear me now. Okay, great I am going to share my screen give me just a minute. let's see. All right. Okay um so tonight i'm excited to share with you, something that has become a policy priority at the state level.

[197:07] As well as a local level, this is a priority, a statewide policy priority that our city council is taking on. what's happening is that si.is proposing a new standard to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector. improve air quality and reduce smog and provide better travel options, so what they're doing is very much in alignment with what our local transportation master plan goals are. So this new standard would require si dot and the state's five metropolitan planning organization which would include Dr cobb of which we are apart to. determine the total jg emissions expected from future transportation projects and take steps to ensure that greenhouse gas or ght emission levels do not exceed. Set ght reduction amount so essentially our statewide and regional plans would have gh sheet budgets by which they would meet.

[198:02] A little bit of context as to how we got here if you recall, back in 2019 and we passed house bill 1261 to reduce greenhouse gas pollution and establish statewide he reduction goals and those were probably the most. aggressive goals that we have seen come out of a state, looking at 2030 greenhouse gas emissions reductions of 50% by 2030 and 90% by 2050 from 2005 levels so with those targets in mind. The State released their ght pollution pollution reduction roadmap. Back in 2019 and essentially what that roadmap did was established the pathways or the policies that we would need to enact and the regulations we would need to enact to meet those climate targets. And it included more than just transportation so, for example, it included things like oil and gas development electricity generation fuel use in homes business and industrial applications, etc, but with transportation being the largest greenhouse gas contributor.

[199:13] we're taking aggressive steps now to target transportation so following that 2019 roadmap in 2021 senate bill to 60 If you recall, we discussed this. Earlier this year, that was the state transportation funding bill, but in addition to the $5 billion in new transportation funding, there were also requirements laid out for si dot. And amp ios to establish these GG budgets so essentially, that is what the car Department of Transportation is currently doing, and they are in that rulemaking process. So getting back to the roadmap, we might ask the question well, what does this mean in terms of how much thc, we need to reduce so The goal is to reduce.

[200:00] Pollution by 12.7 million metric tons by 2030 all from the transportation sector. And that's going to be achieved in various ways, so we expect 6 million metric. tons to come from or reduction of that to come from low and zero emission vehicle rule, so those would be the States zev rules that require certain percentage of new vehicles to. New vehicle sales to be low in zero mission. Approximately 2 million metric tons to come from utility and public investment in fleet turnover and infrastructure so imagine charging stations and such and then 4.7 million. is going to come from a variety of different sources and you'll see that in red i've highlighted the ght pollution standard for transportation plans, which is the focus of this rulemaking. But in addition to that, there are also policies that will be coming forward related to incentivizing land uses or smart land uses to reduce vehicle miles traveled clean trucking strategies.

[201:02] Things like indirect source role, so that if you develop something that's going to increase bmt substantially you mitigate that and expansion of public transit, including. Setting the stage for front range rail but but really this rule, specifically that's in front of us over the next month or so is related to this sheet she pollution standard from transportation for transportation plans, so I don't expect you to. To read the details of this table, but essentially what it's showing us are the baseline projections of all of the transportation master plans of the five MPs currently so, for instance. Dr cobb has a regional transportation plan so it's showing us those baseline projections, and then next to it, how much would have to be reduced to meet these goals. So you'll see that for Dr cogs on the front on the front row or the top row and then. si dot and non mpm areas in the bottom bottom, with total so essentially again not to belabor these numbers per se, but there are targets that are being set, and so the question is, how will we meet those targets.

[202:13] The idea being that we will use statewide forecasting travel forecasting. and Dr cod more localized for forecasting to establish those budgets and ensure that our regional transportation plan and tip projects meet those budgets. If we don't meet those budgets, there are a number of mitigation measures that are proposed to offset those emissions, and this is just a sampling of those mitigation measures. These are sort of a first cut at what these could look like so more transit more bike pet access more mixed use what they're calling vertical development first and final. mile access to transit changes to parking and other policies, which has been a big point of discussion amongst tab. And more electric charging and so, the idea being that these mitigate mitigation measures will be more fleshed out at the Dr cobb level in the coming months.

[203:06] Once these rules are adopted and so essentially like I said, these. think this is oh sorry I what I wanted to show you again you've seen this slide essentially that this was the funding package. From the Senate bill to 60 transportation funding bill, so the way I like to look at these new. g she budget rules for transportation plans is that you know, the first part of senate bill to 60 was funding the types of transportation, that we need to see to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. And this is more of the stick part of it, if you will, so what can we do from a regulatory standpoint to reduce ghd emissions in primary looking looking at reductions in vehicle miles traveled through our regional transportation plan. And so right now we are in the public comment period or sega isn't the public comment period of the rulemaking process that will.

[204:00] End on October 15 and we are working with our elected officials are Dr cardboard representative representatives and organizations, of which the city is a part, such as Colorado communities for. for Climate Action cce for CA and others to comment on the roles and as well as providing support to our members of the Northwest area mcc to provide comment on these roles so. I just I know this is a lot of information in a quick period of time, but I would encourage you to participate in some of the public hearings that will be scheduled. Over the coming weeks, they will be virtual and I can share those states with you, and if you have any questions i'd be happy to answer them, thank you. Extreme any questions for journalists. seeing them, we can move to other matters from staff.

[205:06] hearing we can move. On here sorry I was having a. Little trouble getting back on and greeting staff at a survey having a quick update for you, for the share market mobility program, as you know, the city. went into a contract with line to provide you scooters and and b cycle to provide by bike share and currently there are 200 E scooters that are deployed in East folder and in terms of bikes we have currently 100 E bikes and 200 pedal traditionally pedal bikes. city wide right now and, and so you know we're very much in the learning phase with with respect to the east, good or Program. You know we're starting to get some comments we received quite a bit so as Council and as resolved Council has asked us to attend the September 28.

[206:01] City Council meeting to provide them an update on both he bikes and scooters and so he's wanted to be you know, make sure that you guys were aware of that upcoming meeting, and if you have any questions from having to ask or answer, thank you. Thanks DK i'm curious if you have any data on the scooters yet even something as simple as trips per vehicle per day. yeah we've seen about 2.5 trips per vehicle per day on the scooters. And they need to exceed two for the fleet be. considered successful and have the opportunity for growth is that correct. That is correct, as long as they can achieve their kpis or key performance indicators and some of those things we're looking at right now. Thank you, thank you work. And we had. Any reported accidents, yet any.

[207:02] Anyone tripping over a scooter on a sidewalk anything that worthy of note. We haven't had any reported. crashes, yet you know, in terms of a crash going through the police department everyone's being called we have learned of one crash, but it was not serious enough to report it to the police. Other than that, we haven't heard anything about people tripping over each scooters. or anything of that nature as of as of yet we're hearing hearing most about he scooters that are missed part in the public right away so potentially blocking a sidewalk or a multiuse path that's been kind of the common. Even hearing. And would you characterize the vendor as saying that. They you know, is this going as well as they had hoped or expected as far as the vendors perception of this of this project.

[208:08] I would say so um and you know I, I would say that they've also been very responsive to a lot of our requests and they're quick to. find solutions to issues, and so there you know, working with customers within the Community and then again very responsive to staff, so I think that they think it's going pretty well, especially in terms of the numbers that they are seeing in terms of rented scooters. Thank you. Thank you for asking. yeah. i'm just wondering if we should have a tab Member at that September 28 meeting would you rather that not happen means. kind of our dog idea right. If they want to be complaining about stuff I feel like we should be there to absorb some of that.

[209:01] So I guess what I wanted to say is that this is a special meeting you know that they've called normally it's a study session on night and it CAC they asked for it to be matters from staff and i'm really not clear under the matters and staff. From the city manager how engagement takes place as opposed to know if it's an item for consideration. Okay, well, let us know if we can be of any help. Certainly okay. Any other comments or questions regarding should micro ability. awesome thanks okay. Thank you out. Any further matters from staff. Okay. Open board comment. i'll start with I think back to Easter rap I think a lot of the things i'm bringing forward warrant some tab involvement and.

[210:10] I will try to meet with staff as soon as I can to further discuss some of the things that I brought up to them at the last moment here. I would welcome another tab Member join me if interested and would be happy to plan around that additional tab members schedule, if someone else's is interested in joining me for any of that. Is there anyone. I can join you. Okay, and appreciate that I think what i'm proposing what could cut. Low six figures from the cost of the project, which is why I find it worth pursuing but that that's also not an insignificant change to what has been presented to the sport so in the interest of transparency, I want to keep tab up to date with conversations i'm having with with staff.

[211:03] And a couple questions on my end I there's mentioned that David adamson email regarding his DCS comments and his hopes for the Lunar I didn't receive that email did anybody else not receive that. I did receive it, but it came in kind of late it came in after the start of our meeting. Okay. David says email regarding the world but not I didn't receive Alex I didn't receive anything from you, at any point today. Oh yes, I misspoke because I didn't realize that Alex sentence only too. Early nice natalie Erica so it wasn't CC dollar tap. Okay. But if you're looking to the David Adams adamson if staff receive something i'm not seeing anything regarding the winner winner for the vcs.

[212:01] And uh. yeah we can look into that I didn't receive anything either, but we can. yeah. I got one that sticks 11 and then he recent this something at 622 this evening is when I got it. Look hi that was. High that was sent to me and and Tila and mark mcintyre and Kurt Nord back like I could forward it to the entire town or is that appropriate or. yeah I just want to add. Okay, thanks mark. Thanks. Thank you. Thanks. Have a question about the visions your Community partnership, I was appointed to be taps representative for that moving forward, but haven't heard any I think I missed the first meeting and haven't heard anything about our next meeting is there, another meeting coming up anytime soon. Again, yes, there is, it will be end of October early November timeframe is what we're looking at right now in boulder county will be hosting that next meeting.

[213:05] Okay, just want to make sure that i'm getting invites in advance of. Be sure that you're included Alex. Thank you. Other matters from the board. To. there's the draft Rules of Procedure that I sent out earlier this week or Monday so last week last week. So natalie and Erica and I have been had a few meetings about it and it's gone through i've also had a couple meetings with Janet michaels with the city attorney's office and so. I just presented that for you guys to look through I wasn't expecting to have any serious substantive discussion tonight anything jumps out at you. Let me know, but I think we should probably put it on the agenda for a future meeting. Unless you want to just let it sit until our next retreat.

[214:01] But I just wanted to make sure you got it and whether you had any comments or whether we had a plan going forward for revising it are discussing it. What can I do, can I drop two seeds on this, I did we just go a month, you know, at a time, so I figured might as well, thanks for doing this and the team, the team, I guess, two things jump out to me. One is OK, so this is about procedure and. I I would love for us to have a way to more. In a more organized way enter written material into the minutes, so we have mark sending out emails just now that he's evidently queued up for this process and it's sort of in the Minutes, but i'm not sure if that'll be reflected how that gets reflected so. Something to allow us to be able to do that and more organized recognize the way we have an evidentiary record this seems like a big. challenge we have so that's that's, the first thing, maybe that's easier, maybe it's not easy to say to resolve the other one is, this is a little more conceptual but.

[215:00] i'm just thinking you know reading through the document there's there's there's a quite a bit of drawing lines around tab tab can and should not should not do we have visa V staff. But it makes which, which is fine and a good idea, I suppose, but. It also makes me think you know tab reports to city council and the city manager and and I wonder vice versa, are there any obligations that we would would expect of staff. That that should be codified here I don't have anything particular dimension, but we do have a duty here and we need to be able to work with staff so that's that's more of I guess to see the first of the seedling this is more of a seed. i'll stop there, thanks. Thanks Ryan i'm glad you mentioned that because we did sort of at the last natalie and I thought at our last substantive meeting on this talk about like Oh well, should this be like an agreement between staff and tab. And that hadn't really been the direction that we had been working on it from, I suppose, and there were a few in earlier iterations there were a few sentences that might be misconstrued as as tab being able to impose expectations on staff and those got those got taken out.

[216:13] So it is very one sided. Partly because that's we were working off of a draft that got drafted 20 years ago. It from the city attorney's office that never got adopted and was sort of just you know that one sided thing, and I know that natalie had was aware of other. More sort of reciprocal arrangements, I think, from from different boards are different contexts, but we couldn't really find a good example of that to work from, and so this is sort of deliberately one sided. Because we're strictly advisory right we don't have. authority over staff and to the extent there were things like talking about the information packet. Instead of saying the secretary shall prepare it went to very passive voice, it was like it's you know typically seven days before there will be a packet of materials prepared and distributed by the Secretary.

[217:07] Just to take away some of that operative directives language so yeah so I mean read read it for what it is, and this might be something that becomes you know unpalatable and we don't we don't proceed with it that's Okay, too. But on that point and then in terms of getting materials into the records, I think that for most of the boards and commissions your that's why you have a separate email account all of your emails are public record but there, there is an attempt here to say when we have you know done. direct questions about an agenda item before and upcoming meeting and haven't gotten the answers back or there you know there's an. Out of meeting like written dialogue between staff we did put in, where he tempted to put in here and in the draft that I gave you a provision that said those those things will also be appended to. The Minutes and put into the record with the minutes of the meeting to which they pertain so a little bit better than we have been doing when it's pretty direct so.

[218:08] But you know, in practice, can we manage it we're trying its new. First time confessing that. haven't really reviewed the document deal, so thank you for all your hard work, I really haven't checked it out um Secondly, I want to say I support ryan's. Efforts to I think I think we've had a real improvements in our Minutes and I want to thank meredith for that and and the rest of staff, I think that that is. I feel so much better about the record of our meetings, and I think the record of our meetings as an advisory board since. The record is what we advise i'm not what we do, or direct someone to do, or whatever else is what we advise I think is very important, so I would like to see an expansion of have that ability to provide.

[219:16] things in the record or an understanding of how we go about that, and so I think that's an important aspect of it and that's an aspect that. That the board controls is what we advise we can't control what staff does we can't control what citizens do we can control what we do and so if we advise something, then having a having a clear procedure for making our advice known is. I think a beneficial to everyone to have that have that relationship. So anyway, I look forward to further clarification of that i'll read your document.

[220:00] But I think that additional methods Oh, I know what the last thing was to you. And you may have misspoke or if you haven't, then I just really want to understand this, I do not have a separate tab email address. Nor is it my understanding that all of my emails are somehow public record now if I send an email to tab I understand to the tab email address or to the to the tab board members five of them, whatever I would certainly expect that that would be part of the public record. If I send an email to you or to Ryan. singularly. If someone wants to correct me, that is not necessarily part of the public record. Is that correct what are people's thoughts on them. I believe that if you're discussing tab business, it is.

[221:03] that's my understanding, also. So occasionally i'll have people send something a personal email to my tab email and i'll just take it offline i'll respond to them from my other email accounts they don't use that one that's not that's not what that's for. And so I know you have your use the same email account and not i'm not saying that by using the same email account all of your personal email suddenly becomes. public record, but my understanding is that all of the emails that deal with tab business and the business you do for an on behalf of tab using that email address those emails probably are public record. that's correct. Okay. If they do something else you'd like to say about this. Oh, just very briefly, I think that what we've tried to do is to enter into a spirit of collaboration and partnership and shared benefit and support for the Community and achieving the goals from our transportation master plan and our TVs transportation and mobility goals and.

[222:12] I would say, at least from my standpoint that's very important, because I think it's that spirit of. Collaboration and being able to work together and trying to make sure that there's a strong foundation there that builds trust, so that we're able to serve the community at large, and between all of us, and I just wanted to. say thank you to each and every one of you for your thoughtful consideration, you know this matter and I look forward to having you know additional conversation, you know with the board in the future. Do we have. Any thing else on this topic or other matters from the board.

[223:05] i'm just wondering, should we be planning ahead to schedule a more formal discussion about this about the Rules of Procedure and, if so, should it happen super sooner, I mean you've waited months for it anyway. back to the agenda, setting meeting I don't know. yeah try to find a lighter month okay your future I think before the retreat would be preferable, although i've read it in great detail, either. Right. I have something on a different topic for are we are we clear we're clear on this one okay. So. Great, so this is, this is the part of the month, where I have a little sandbox so I try to be brief because I know it's late and there's not a lot of my space left but um I had to two topics, one is above questions for staff, the hopefully the rest asked here and there's enough.

[224:06] Enough left. And, forgive me for not knowing all this a little better at this point, but I had an experience that recently that led me to well working to report. an incident involving a vehicle on a bike crash to the police department local police city police department and it got me just to thinking about. The chain of sort of not evidence, but just data and like what happens like How does. How does an incident become data through the through the police department that's a crash, not a fatality so just you know, a crash and on division zero team. And I i'd be very grateful for, just like kind of a quick explainer on, for example, does is there a proactive way in which the transportation planning into division zero team is. Actively soliciting from the police department hey have you heard anything about bikes or does the city or measures bikes but I guess you know any vulnerable users.

[225:00] Or to sit there's the police department naturally like tag anything like that at all and that comes in and i'm just curious as just kind of both the user and somebody who's trying to consume the data and understand how that sort of works. And Ryan i'm just going to say it might be helpful, maybe to have a conversation like offline with Devon or mark. sizzler about the. process yeah. Because. I mean I I could. Try to summarize that but I don't think it would be super productive right now. But they would be able to give you the detailed process of how we receive that. Data from the police department, but we work very closely with them. And it does get categorized into a database yeah okay i'll start there and then come back thanks thanks for that natalie yes very good. And then the other top will go ahead, this is one of the most important things. For tab boards now is that whenever there is a very serious accident or a vitality.

[226:01] You know that is traffic related have been sharing that in the moment as I get that information with the tab chair and vice chair and so that we can attend is a. Future meetings. Erica that makes sense and is pretty intuitive and I guess i'll just offer like part of the spirit of me asking about this now is. is being somebody who likes a lot of folks here are on the roads, on a bike a lot I you know it's it's clear that a lot goes under reported, I mean from the user standpoint and then. And then, a lot of what happens is not necessarily a serious accident but there's a lot of data, the show there's you know close calls there's a bike that gets crunched or whatever. And I guess i'm just wondering if you know how that sort of if that is a proactive way that that gets collected in any case i'll make a daytime appointment to go over that one, but the one, so thank you. And then the other question was so I mentioned Pearl specifically the you know the crossings foothill.

[227:02] Pearl pathak portal i'm doing this every day with with kids and seeing a lot of parents out there and seeing the bbs the system to try to encourage parents with the trip tracker and all that stuff which is fantastic. I just want to say for the record, maybe already said it, but i'm credibly concerned about that intersection as a place that is the main thoroughfare for bikes to be crossing. across to pork chops and you know people coming off the motors coming up the the the highway there, but I guess my more general thought is. It is there, do we have to is there process through which were as a city asking specifically. bsd families or parents about what like hotspots they're they're experiencing in a general way as as we asked them to consider modes beyond cars. Is there anything we're doing directly to survey that and the answer it's fine if it's no but i'm just curious what, if anything, we're doing to actually survey parents. Or if maybe there's a gap for somebody and maybe it's done so, even the city, but just to kind of understand that sense of like do are we hearing asking parents like me to get to like a top 10 list or something about spots.

[228:10] So I would say off the top my head I don't know and we can go back and you know at least ask the question internally. To see seems to know. I was waiting to see of live was going to hop in I don't think it's a regular practice with most of the schools, but I do know that as part of like the safe routes to school outreach to particular schools that she has been involved. In gathering parent like they have maps of the area, this is how they did it with your i'm assuming this is how you do it generally live you want to just say what you do. yeah yeah no, thank you, thanks to you um yes so overall bsd does do parent surveys to ask about transportation experiences I don't know how regularly those have been administered particularly recently with you know with covidien everything.

[229:02] What Teal is referring to is a recent grant that we did with three specific schools elementary schools. Where we did that very specific outreach not only with the parents surveys, but we went in person and we brought some maps and we said tell us how you get to school and what your pain points are, and from that. We were able to develop some suggested infrastructure improvements. Some of which we've been able to implement or will be through safe routes to school infrastructure grant, which is exactly how this is supposed to work right and then others were smaller changes that we were able to make like adding signs where they were. Missing and things like that so. But it would be good to check in with bsd we coordinate with them regularly, and so I can see if there are. more specific plans moving forward. Okay, thanks for that Alex no that wasn't my questions, but I had one more comment I forgot to say this, if I could just real fast so separate topic third and final comment.

[230:03] I wanted to just weigh in on the topic Lynn raised earlier so Gal about about videos about video showing people's video and. I haven't given input on this, I know some of this has been considered. And I don't know what's behind the fact that we don't have videos but I if there's not a really serious reason to not allow people to show the video. While you're making comments I really prefer that we do we do and there's a few reasons, one is equity and access, and you know as think most of us know the majority of what people communicate is nonverbal. And some people might really feel more comfortable like communicating that way or be able to convey their their meaning better visually. And, as somebody who myself is out into Council city council. I could spend several hours preparing for two minutes and really making a case big deal can be a big deal for people to come on there. something they can remember, for very long time, and I think just giving some honor to that is something we should we should strive to do.

[231:04] And I think also it makes for ultimately a better community experience if people can see see one another and not just for the staff to people on this side of the desk but really for all of the participants so. Anyway, there's probably a lot of reasons why it works to currently wait as, but I just want to voice my support for exploring ways to allow people to see them when they're making public comment if if it's receivable that a big toss that's it for me for tonight thanks. Thanks for sharing anything else. Okay, we can turn to future agenda topics i'm seeing next month briefing regarding safe streets builder report, update and a specific DCS update all set. that's not what we heard earlier segment the long term. that's outdated outdated.

[232:01] We won't be back with DCS next month. Okay, then miss outdated calendar, not much in November and then public hearing on complex and SMP products in December, as well as drafts folder sub Community plan. And then, on our agenda for this month as future agenda topics are two things that mark has asked us to take. To look at that broadway and really lessons learned and the clay phone presentation, please, those are things that staff would need to bring for those things that we plan on scheduling for an upcoming meeting. they're looking into availability right now okay. cool, perhaps we can discuss that further and then the. Draft procedural tab stuff at our upcoming agenda setting meeting.

[233:02] Any other future agenda topics that stefan's a spiel wherever tab would like to bring forward. So based off of last year, you know that there are. The letter from tab you know to counsel, but we don't have a specific date or framing of the. Okay, so usually early in the years when I get set up. I think last year it was like. November, December timeframe and. yeah I think it was doing December. Okay it's it's after the new Council seat it so it it comes pretty quickly after the November election early December ish but it's one of those things that they hold off until the new Council to see make sense. Any other future topics or i'll.

[234:01] entertain a motion to adjourn. Hearing none, thank you to tab and staff for all of your time and, as always, to those members of the public joining us late into the night. Have a good night everyone see you guys soon.