March 9, 2026 — Police Oversight Panel Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:04] Uh we will call this meeting to order. Welcome everybody. Uh welcome anyone who's joining us online. Lawrence, I hope you can hear us. I see a message but >> I can now. Thank you. >> Yes. >> Perfect. Um well, welcome to our virtual panel members and any community members we have with us as well. And welcome of course to everyone in the room. We will start as always with our land acknowledgement. We acknowledge the Arapjo, Ute, and Cheyenne tribes, the traditional custodians of the land on which the Police Oversight Panel and Boulder Police Department operate, and pay our respects to their elders, past and present. Um, we have a special meeting today. We have new members with us. I think we'll have um some time to fully recognize our departing panel members and welcome our new members in just a moment, but want to acknowledge that at the top. Welcome everybody. We're so happy you're here. Um, we'll start off with a discussion of

[1:02] the agenda. So, everyone has it in front of them. Um, but to give you a quick rundown, we will do our roll call. Um, which we skipped. We will do our roll call now. Actually, let's go that instead. >> So, we're doing just roll call. Just when we do introductions, just add the pronouns to that. >> Yes. Do we want to do introductions before roll call? I guess we don't actually have that in here, do we? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, we have it later. >> Well, maybe instead later on >> Okay. Were you wanting to just add that later? >> Oh, yeah. Instead of we run introductions with name and pronouns and >> I was messing with your That sounds great to me. Um, are we good with that? When as we roll call do a quick intro, share your pronouns. Anything else you'd like to share? Welcome, Curtis. Yeah. Oh, we'll pass it over for Rooff.

[2:02] >> Okay, so you I use she's currently co-chair of the panel. This is my beginning of my fourth year on the panel. And welcome Lizzy. >> Hi Lizzy friends. Nice to meet you all. She her. Um, this is my fourth year on the panel and I'm also interim co-chair for now. >> Kristen notified us that she's not going to be here. Curtis. >> Hello everyone. Uh, my name is Curtis. Uh, this is my, uh, pronouns he, him, and this is my, uh, second year serving as a student analyst. >> Bill here. Hi everybody. met you all at the interview. So, it's nice to see you again. I use he him pronouns and I think this is my third year.

[3:00] >> Thank So, >> sounds great. >> Yeah. So, >> third 10th. Who knows? >> Kind of blends in. >> Alan, >> I'm Alan Hashy and I I'm either in my I think if you're in three years, that means I'm in two years. >> Yeah. And uh I write books and make movies. I just came back from Galveston. I almost wasn't going to show up today, but I took a nap and it was sunny out. So, I heard people talking about daylight savings time. Well, I likely would have stayed home had it been dark out. >> Glad you made it. >> Turn. My name is JD. It stands for Jazzy Ducks. I use they them pronouns. I'm a educator and writer here in Boulder and this is my first day on the funeral. >> Jennifer >> Jennifer Hine she her pronouns

[4:02] the Colorado peer and family specialist for this re-entry and I'm a panel member Evan here. Uh my name is Evan Hein. Uh I'm excited to hear today's Thank you. Um, hi everyone. I'm Alex. Fine. Student number. >> Um, Lawrence. >> Hi, Lawrence Mochic. I use he him. And this is my first year on the panel. Do city staff want to introduce themselves also? >> I'm Rivera Vandermide. I am the city manager. I use she a ya pronouns.

[5:04] >> And I am Chris Reynolds. I'm a deputy city attorney. Use him pronouns. And I'm really happy to be here. >> Sterling. I'm a police sergeant. I am the lady on the panel from the police department. >> My name is Sher D. She her pronouns independent police monitor and partying panel members. >> Um my name is Milanard. Um I was the on panel and I'm here for the last meeting. Uh yeah, nice to see you. >> My name is Jason Savila. Uh he him and I'm departing after three years. >> We get everybody. Yes. Right. So I failed to include some folks at the top welcoming city staff, EPD staff and Maria. Thanks for being here and also our current uh former recently former

[6:02] departing panel members. So thank you guys for being here too. All right with that we will now get to the agenda. Um, in terms of our ad hoc items, we'll do a quick discussion of the agenda if we need to add anything. We'll talk about last month's minutes and vote on that. Um, then we'll get into our ad hoc items. We will uh give a a warm send off to our former panel members and give them a thank you and some recognition. Um, we'll welcome our new panel members. Very excited to have you all. As we mentioned, um, we'll do an update on the five-year review process for new panel members. we can give you kind of catch up on what's going on there. Uh we'll talk about the panel reappoint process, have some discussion and questions. We will go into a discussion of the co-chair election protocol. Um the election will happen next month. So we'll talk about how that should go. Uh and then we will talk um some prep for the Q1 meeting with the chief which is in just somehow only two weeks from now.

[7:02] So we'll talk about that. And finally, we'll touch on the annual report. So, lots of ad hoc items today. Then we'll go to public comment hopefully around 7:30, 7:40, about halfway through. Uh then we will do an update from our community outreach and engagement committee. We'll wrap up with the independent police monitor report, go into close session if needed to talk through any of our cases that we have for review. Um and then we will proceed with our regular business case assignment status and um reassignment for one case and then we'll adjourn. So any motions to add or adjust anything on the agenda or if not a motion to approve. >> I'll make a motion to approve the agenda. >> Great. Second. >> Great. Okay. Uh so all in favor of approving the agenda as is raise your hands. Okay. Anyone post

[8:04] agenda is approved. Uh with that, we'll go into the minutes from last month. Um does anyone have any motions for changes to the agenda or the minutes to approve? Okay. Second. Great. Uh who would like to approve the minutes? Anyone against approving the minutes? Okay, minutes are approved. Um, with that we will go into our question. >> Yes, this is for February minutes. You guys didn't >> Oh, thank you. >> January either. >> Yes. Okay. So, in the February meeting, there was a little bit of confusion over whether something might have been missing from the January minutes. um sold out and I checked it. I think the thing we thought was missing was actually not missing. Um but does anyone

[9:00] else have concerns about the January minutes? I'm fine with it as is now. It was just a result of a vote that we thought wasn't included that had to do with our interim chair extension. Right. >> Yeah. >> If not, we can have a motion to approve the January minutes. So I'll just amend >> approve both minutes. Okay. >> We have a second. Yes. Second. So in favor January and February minutes. >> Anyone against? Excellent. Okay. Those are both approved. With that we will now get into recognition of our departing family members. Is that Sherry? >> Yeah. I'm happy to start, but certainly I hope that others chime in. Um, for our new panel members, I will say that you're about to jump into something that is not for the faint of heart, right? The kind of work that you will do is super important to our community. Um,

[10:01] and it can take a toll um on uh what you watch, what you see, what the import of it in our community. And I am so thankful for the folks that have been doing this um for uh a time now. It is I know it has been heavy work. It has been heart work. It has been uh work of passion. Um, and so I am grateful. Uh, Jason, Melen, you're here with us, but I want to say Chico, uh, AB, and Turner, who are not currently with us, unless they're in, uh, virtual land, but want to recognize them, um, as well for the tremendous work and dedication um, that you have shown um, your colleagues, the community uh, and the voices that you brought to the work that we do. So I'm immensely grateful for the work that you have done. Um and I I think it is uh your experience and

[11:02] your passion has really shown in all the work that you have done. So I just on behalf of the city just want to thank you for that service um and appreciate all that you have done here. I don't know if others want to share a vote of recognition. We also have some certificates for before. >> Well, I'll say when I came, I knew nothing. You all and with Jason Milan and Chico and it was really helpful and I appreciate um everything that you brought because you've shared with me and taught me things, things I had no idea that we were going to even do. Um and so it was a steep learning curve. So, I appreciate of what talked to you. Of course, I appreciate Chico and AB, but you're sitting here. So, and I just appreciate the lens that you both um brought

[12:01] because it was different than mine made for some rich conversations. So, thank you both. Yeah, you know what I mean. We'll have our own rich conversation. So, thank you for being here and for sharing part of that with me. >> Yeah, I'd like to second that. Uh, same kind of sentiment coming on to this new sphere. It can be very uncomfortable. Uh, if you never done anything like this before, I know for me it was my first time. Um and panelists like Milin uh who were very um intentional about trying to uh uh uh make the space more comfortable by building relationship uh is an important part. Um and also being kind of a historical wisdom holder of some of the knowledge that's uh that that exists here of the historical context of the panel and helping me get a better understanding. Um I I haven't had too

[13:00] many one-on- ones with you Jason uh but I have appreciated things that you've said in the space as well. Um and uh Chico is another one who's really went out of his way to take time to impart wisdom. So grateful for all of you for the service that you put forward. >> Um just want to second what everyone said. Um Jason has been so fun and testifying against you. The capital was >> against it. >> Yeah, it was it was awesome. Um, same AB Chico. It was I I so much appreciate appreciated the challenging conversations sometimes, humbling conversations, but um but I I do want to take a minute uh to thank you man. I don't think um there's no one in this bunch that has taken more cases than you.

[14:01] There's no one in the panel, not even the coaches have that have dedicated so many hours, so many community engagement, so many walks, trainings, ride alongs as you. And I am just deeply and profoundly sorry that one of a beautiful because that level of commitment was something that I always aspired to could never match you as much as I try to do case reviews as you did. I couldn't. Um just I feel like that is a huge loss to have someone so so committed to the work. Um, and I just want to recognize that the record of cases, the record of people showing up everywhere, every training, retreats, you never took a

[15:03] sick day and and I just not even today >> and and that I have to say it's it's an example and I feel the loss. So, thank you for showing up for everyone and for being a mentor. >> I just um I just want to say I'm not going anywhere. I'll still be in town uh to the extent that I can help anybody I've got on the panel after whatever date it is. and if we talk can doesn't have to be an awkward meeting >> and um happy to to um do whatever I can to help the panel in any way. Um so uh when issues come about

[16:01] if you want please give me a call. Great. Thanks. Thank you. >> And it's been an honor and a joy to work here and work with all of you all. Um I've learned a lot. Uh, you know, I come from a criminal defense perspective. I tried to come with as much of an open mind as I could and I think I have um I I would say that I've probably voted against uh finding anybody responsible or in any way sanctioning anybody more often than I voted for it. um by significantly but and I love the ride alongs. I want to do those again. >> You can you can as a >> Thank you all. >> Well, I appreciate the institutional wisdom everyone's brought. I'm only going my going on 30 years and I'm I'm

[17:00] still haven't quite figured out exactly what's going on and and I hope that uh whatever I've everything that I've learned from you all will rub off on me because at one at some point in time we'll all be you know that uh institutional wise person for the revolving door pushes us all out again. So, it's always good to have people showing the way because we're all going to have to learn learn how to show the way at some point. So, good luck to you all and uh maybe I'll run into you at the grocery store one day. Um, and I wanted to say so many things and you're being so nice. I don't feel like saying all I have to say, but I will say that this is Thank you. First of all, thank you so much. It's been an honor and a pleasure to be uh working with you despite the

[18:01] conversations that we may sometimes where we disagree and that's part the course. Um I come I came to the panel from a racial justice perspective. I leave the panel with the same purpose. Um, I'm a bit sad. Um, sorry sad to leave the panel because the fight is not over. Um, and um, welcome to all of you new panelist. You're in for a ride. Um, I think What I just want to say is that you're entering a panel in crisis and I'm sorry for that. We entered the panel in crisis. Um and that was quite a ride. Um we had

[19:01] to rewrite we had to go on a moratorium. We had to rewrite an ordinance and that ordinance is now being questioned and reinterpreted. And that's your job to maintain the purpose of the panel as it was when it was created. Um, it's a big job. Um, we're being intimidated. We're being bullied. So, that is a prime example. I'm sure we'll talk about it. Um, and so I wish you all a really strong spine. Um, and also a very clear purpose of why you're here. I think that's really, really key. Follow your purpose. Keep it in mind because you're going to be pushed around quite a bit. Um, I had details, but I think I'll be short. I just want to say

[20:01] that no matter what, anyone wearing a uniform and bearing a weapon, and I think, um, Sterling, you agree with me, um, needs to be accountable and needs, it needs to be accountable, period. Um, especially to the community they serve. And that means all voices in our community. All voices in our community. And with the reinterpretation of the ordinance right now, we're losing voices. And I hope you can fight because we've fought so hard for the last 3 years and we're still fighting. And as as Noria was saying, it's tough. Um what you see sometimes is tough. How you interpret things, it's tough. It's like it's tough. Um, and we still don't have

[21:02] mental health care. Um, which I've asked for many times for our panelist. And Sherry, that's on you. Um, don't let yourself be intimidated. That's all I would say. Don't let yourself be intimidated. And please feel free to call me if you want to. I'm happy to give you my phone number. Um I can give you a good um histo history of this panel. Um I can do it without too many biases. I obviously have my opinion. Um but I can be um that person who is historical knowledge for you. I'm happy to. but also lean on to the panelist Curtis Sidad Lizzy uh Bill um they have also knowledge and historical knowledge it's

[22:03] going to be tough for the first year because there's so much so you're going to train on and learn and legally that you don't know. Um, so really really call each other, lean on the people who have been here for a while. And a special heartfelt thank you to Chico. If you're somewhere, Chico, um, just want to say Chico has been on the panel longer than we all have and he had that historical knowledge from for us and he has been such a steady panelist for five years. I just want to say uh thank you, thank you, thank you. And um I don't think we recognize Chico enough for what all that he has done. Um yeah, I'm I'm um the just the the and I'll finish on

[23:02] that. I'll just say that we are community members who are holding accountable a system that is welloiled and that is not in the favor of everyone in our community. And so this is why we're here. Let's not forget that purpose. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. So I see also we have Turner now with user meeting you as well. >> Um thank you so much for your time on the panel. Anything you want to I don't want to put you on the spot but if you want to say anything please do. I don't um I just I think Milan kind of took the stage but um I I just want to say welcome to the new members and yeah you guys are entering a p panel in

[24:01] crisis and you guys have a the people that are there are are great and I please rely on them and consult with them because it is crazy and and very stressful at first but I I think I I have high >> hopes and thanks for service. >> Thank you again for your words, Milan. We really appreciate it. It's very wise advice. Um, and I'll echo Jason said, kind of took the words out of my mouth. You guys are not panel members, but you are still community members and you have a role here and we want to continue to learn from you and hear your perspective and learn from your expertise. So, please don't go anywhere. Um, please continue to engage with us. we still want to hear from you. So, please do. >> Um, and you know, we you guys have heard us reference a lot that it was a difficult year on the panel. We've had a lot a lot going on. Um, and I think a

[25:03] lot of that was just a testament to how much the panel cares and how committed they have been. And all I feel comments about and just your level of commitment to the panel being really unmatched. Um, but every single one of you contributed a lot and fought hard for things that were very important to you and your community and our community. Um, and we just thank you all so much for that and every one of you will be so missed everything and we'll don't go anywhere. We want to keep hearing from you. >> Of course. >> Yeah. Jason, thank you so much. you've you helped shine a light in several case reviews on the actual workings of the really like the the Boulder court system and it was very helpful to have your your expertise in some of those cases and um I think you I think you also

[26:02] brought some levity to uh to some the case reviews and it was it was it was appreciated the the experience that you brought to this panel and Meen And I I wish every member on the panel had half of your dedication to to the work and showing up like you always showed up. And I mean hearing other people talk about it, it didn't go unnoticed by by anyone. And the panel would be so much stronger if everyone showed your level of of passion and and dedication and thoroughess. And that is always always appreciated and I've always respected you for that. You really put your your money where your mouth is. >> So thank you for $200.

[27:01] >> Oh yes. And I Chico has been this last year the elder statesman. Um, you know, he had big shoes to fill when when Victor left and I he did a great job doing that. And looking now at Zan Soladad, you are our longest holders of institutional knowledge. >> Yes. >> So that's that's pretty exciting. That's pretty exciting. But yeah, Chico is had a lot of historical knowledge and as the panel turns over, we lose that. and AB is not here, but I think she when when when she spoke, I think she always brought a really interesting perspective and was a calming presence on the panel, whether it was in these larger meetings or in case reviews where she provided thoughtful insight. And I don't want her contribution to be to be overlooked just because she's here, but she certainly

[28:00] she certainly brought a voice that I was happy to hear. and Turner. Thank you. Thank you. It's It's probably challenging coming in, especially since you were, you know, brought on from the alternate pool, so you didn't even come in with other people who were learning. So you we just threw you in and you did a great job and you provided some great insight in in case reviews and I've appreciated working with you and and I hope you do great in midterms and then finals and graduation. those student members are here a short time sometimes but thank you so much Turner and and we have some certificates for people whose terms are ending that quickly.

[29:03] Um, and actually I'll throw that. Thank you for serving me first. >> And Curtis first. >> That's not a party gift, but >> thank you very much, Lindsay. I mean, I think when when we first when I first came on, it was quite unusual for someone to serve out their entire term and that uses

[30:02] Yes. Oh, I get it. >> Would you like a picture with Mary? With me? Yes. You can do whatever you want. Thank you. Two, three. Wait. You want to get Jason? Okay. Thank you. Jason 59

[31:04] I know in my mind you will get other books >> really enjoy the ones who've done this panel members and Don't have a nice right arm. Heather must be amazing.

[32:02] everything else. I will not >> German. I have not particularly Okay. >> Really? You're >> welcome.

[33:05] every meeting. Yeah, try to keep like every time I watch everything. >> Um, >> no, not yet. >> Sorry. from >> Thank you, Turner. >> Turner stays his term doesn't end until the end of the month. >> Great. >> Uh, next up, welcome new panel members. >> Welcome. >> Welcome. >> Um,

[34:02] sure. I'll start. Um, you know, it's funny when, um, I feel like the last time I did this welcome, we were in a moment of, um, I don't know that I would call it crisis, but certainly in a difficult moment. Um, coming out of a moratorum, I'm coming out of changes. Um, this is no different as we're moving forward in a variety of different ways and, um, continuing to mature as a panel. Um I'm just again excited that you have chosen to say yes and move into a sphere that uh as I mentioned before is not for the faint of heart but has a it's like all oversight um has some controversy. There is tension inherent in oversight. Um it is your charge to be community voice um and to really look at um what our officers do. I always say that I really stand by I've been in a few cities now and I stand by PD here and

[35:01] yet I will always say um and I'm I'm not shy about saying it. I've said it publicly um that bad policing is not what we're after. Um and so this is a community voice that gets to look at um those allegations and you get to lend your perspective into what we do and I think that's really super important as we move forward. So there's a there will be a lot um for you to uh as somebody I think Milen was saying there's a lot for you to learn uh as you're walking down this path. There will be a lot of training. There will be a lot of terms that for some will be foreign uh and all of a sudden will be uh sort of old hat to you. Um you've got your colleagues here on the panel who will likely be your um first best support as you're moving through this journey. Um, you've also got staff. Um, uh, you get to know Sherry certainly is our independent monitor, but Chris as well, um, who supports with, uh, legal advice as

[36:00] needed. Um, and then always got Sterling, uh, who is joining in case there are questions on PD. I hope that you don't see me often, frankly, um, because that usually means that, uh, something needs clarifying or something needs something's happening that, um, requires me to come in. There are times when I am very neutral because if there is a dispute between the chief and the IPM, it comes to me and that's one of the reasons I remain um fairly neutral. But appointments uh in this process have come to me uh through council. They used to be a council appointed body and now they are uh appointed uh by me through recommendations by the advisory committee. So I'm just excited about the journey. I know there's a lot to be done here. um a lot uh that you will be learning, need to do your ride alongs. Um there's one that's required, but I encourage you to do more than that if you're able to cuz there is nothing that beats I think being out there and seeing um meeting folks on PD, seeing what's

[37:02] happening on the field. So, please know that and don't hesitate to answer questions, to raise your voice, to let us know what's happening. It's not always pretty as we muddle through it. I won't lie to you. Um but we muddled through it and we will move forward um as we go on. The other thing I'll say to our new Oh, I'll I'll keep the review till I'll stay a minute and uh hold up on the five-year review. Really excited that you're here and joining us. >> Uh would any of you like to say like a minute or so about yourself so people in the community have an idea about the new calendars? Sure. Uh Jennifer, she her son of lived experience. I was homeless and pregnant on the streets of Boulder County and um I worked my way into um self-sufficiency again on my own. U now I'm of service uh

[38:01] working a job with Focus Re-entry as a Colorado and family specialists um in the community where I was working. So, I do my best to um help people along their journey where they're at and meet them where they're at in the community. Be the best support I can >> on the streets and then once they get housed as well. >> Great. >> Um my name is JB. I've lived in Boulder since 2020. Uh I work in education. I'm also a veteran of both the Air Force and the Army. Um, and I look forward to being an advocate in the community. Um, and being part of this panel and I look forward to working with everyone here and learning from those who've been on the panel for a couple of years. >> And you only speak five languages, right? >> I only speak five languages. >> Slacker.

[39:00] >> He's learning another one. Well, I'm Alex. I certainly don't have as many friends of being does here. I'm a a student just a few minutes from here at C Boulder studying aerospace as a junior. So, I try to learn from the existing panel members and serve my community as best I can. That's about it. >> My name's Evan. Uh I am an emergency physician. I work at a bunch of different hospitals across the Front Range and will be starting to work at uh Foothills Hospital here uh this week actually. Um, so I'm very excited about that. Um, I have a background in like from an academic perspective in homelessness and substance use. I've done some population research um in that department and before that used to work for a nonprofit prior to going into medicine. Um, but I got after school programs and summer camps for economically disadvantaged youth in uh my hometown. Um, I'm relatively new to Boulder. I moved here last year and I'm really looking forward to um serving my community. Um, I'm planning on being here for a long time. So, thank you

[40:01] everybody. >> Lawrence, your turn. >> Okay. Uh, Lawrence Wick. Um, I practiced law for 46 years. Um, most of my proono effort were prisoner rights cases and juvenile law. I have a a great passion uh for bare adjudication and um community involvement in that term and I'm honored uh to join you all. Thank you. >> Thank you all. >> Um well, we're so happy to have you for the 12th time being here. Thank you for telling us a little bit about yourselves. Looking forward to learning more, getting to know all of you as we work together.

[41:00] All right. Um, so just a quick time check. We're behind. We're going to try to go for relatively quick items, finishing out our ad hoc item list. So starting us off with the five-year review update. I'll try to be quick and I know that we have um our facilitator who is uh joining um us to uh answer questions or to talk about it but we started you know we talked a little bit about the last uh time we sort of came together as a panel after the moratorum there were we changed the existing ordinance and the existing ordinance had a provision that allowed for a five-year review. Five-year review importantly is not intended to eliminate oversight in any way, shape or form, but really to take a look at ways in which we can strengthen it. Um, so it is 5 years and we wanted to really lean into that um as we were having a variety of discussions uh some more heated than others uh about the current um process and what we're

[42:01] doing. Um and it was just a really good time to lean into that um review. Uh we hired Yolanda Greer from Elevate New. Uh and so you will see that actually for most of the new panel or for all the new panel members, you will see an email from me um talking about what next steps are um and what does that look like? But before I take your thunder, Yolanda, did you want to lean in? Good evening everyone. I'm happy to thank you so much Nudia for having me again tonight. Um and it's good to see the returning um members as well as to meet uh informally here but to meet those of you who are coming on board. So welcome. Um I will just tell you that to date uh 17 individual interviews have been conducted and those interviews were the start. They were phase one of the 5-year police oversight uh review and in that acquired a lot of great information

[43:01] around what's working um what communication and collaboration looks like and can be like what is the ideal states of those as well as we began digging into some things that could be better different moving forward to help us have a more um effective and efficient panel um and collaboration between the entities that are represented um around this table. So that has been wonderful. Um the group the members sitting before you uh who have been there before they voted to pause uh this review process so that the new members so that those of you who are just now joining us could be brought into um the fold if you will. So, as Nudia mentioned, um you should have received an email from her today giving some specifics around um couple of things I I will just explain really quickly. I know that time is short here

[44:01] but um one thing that we began with in our very first group meeting which was held on uh February 13th. All of the members uh participated in emergetics which in short is an assessment that helps us to understand our own and others uh thinking and behavioral preferences. And in that, as we learned about ourselves and about each other and ways that we can better communicate and collaborate, we began to see some walls um begin to break down during our first group session and looking at how we can use that information um in our future interactions to help us to be um of course, you know, we always want to have discourse, but to do so in very professional and respectful ways. So that's one of the the um items around emergencetics. So there's details for you in there. There was an attachment to that email that Nuria sent. So please be

[45:00] sure to jump on that ASAP. It needs to be complete by next Monday. There is a profile assessment as well as a very short e-learning course and then I will conduct a group debrief uh new members with you all the following Monday. And why am I drawing a blank on dates at the moment? But that will be March 23rd uh in the evening. So, if you could go ahead and um just make a note, I'll send out interviews now that or excuse me, calendar invites now that you all have received the information. And so, we'll all come together. We will look at that. And again, it's really just to get you up to speed with what the rest of the group has already gone through. So, that for our March 27th, it's our next scheduled whole group meeting in the morning. Um we will all come together. 00 to 8:00 p.m. uh we will all come together for our second session where we will continue to build on uh our working norms and then uh begin to

[46:02] formulate some of the other areas uh for review and continue on April 3rd. So that is my work with you all. It is really around the adaptive dynamics of the review and then later uh Nudy I'll actually let you speak to that part. Um, but I am here to support the the um adaptive portion of the review. So, thank you all again. Nice to see everybody and I'll see you all soon. Thanks so much, Yolanda. Appreciate all the work that you're doing. We uh as we're thinking about what changes could happen, if there are some that are in policy, if there's some that are in code, we will need to go to council for that. And so, uh, we've also have, um, on standby another facilitator, uh, another facilitator who knows, um, and has worked in the oversight, um, field, um, at the ready. Uh, so it'll depend a little bit on what comes out of this work, uh, and what needs to move forward, but we have someone else to support us, um, on some of the very

[47:02] particular technical aspects um, of ordinance or policy change that we may have in the future. So, that's to come, but we're going to do this part first. >> Yes, >> there's a question there, too. >> Yeah, Lawrence has a question. >> Hi. Um, I got the email, but there were no attachments to the one I received. Should there have been? >> I will double check, Lawrence, because I did it I think 15 minutes before coming down here. So, if I did it in haste and didn't send it to you, I will make sure you all get it. >> Thank you very much. >> I'll take care of that for you. No worries. I will get that done. >> Love it. Um, if we can just clarify that because and and just so we're clear with the minutes and how we keep the agenda, we didn't vote to pause the review. That was kind of an informal conversation in the workshop, but there wasn't a vote on a panel meeting where all the panelists voted. It was kind of a decision within

[48:01] the workshop. So for transparency and for since we have community in attendance that won't be showing up in any meeting or recording but uh there there was not um formal vote within a panel meeting where we voted to pause at a formal action. >> Exactly to a not a five or a straw poll maybe that does in their meetings. >> Exactly. So, we we talked about it when we were doing the workshop, but just uh just to be super clear that that is not going to show a good thing. >> Okay. Sorry. Thank you. No, uh other comments or questions for Nura or Yolanda. All right. I'm sure they'll come up as you guys dig into it. Um please send them Yolanda's wish list if you have anything. Great. Great. >> All right. Thank you both for being here. Appreciate it. >> I think I was asked to stay for one more. >> I was dismissing you.

[49:01] >> I'm happy to be dismissed, but I >> believe I have some questions to answer this topic. Um, and with that, uh, our next topic is, uh, discussion on the panel reappoint process. And I think we had a few members who wanted to kick that off. >> Yeah, start. Um yeah, I just wanted to get some clarity around the um reapplication and the reappointment um uh authority on the panel. Um cuz after speaking with um uh uh previous panelist and current sitting panelists, um the uh practice of reapplying has never uh been practiced. Um so I'm just trying to get some clarity around that of why we're starting to do it now. So, I'll start and if I say anything wrong, Chris will correct me or jump in or kick me virtually. But, um I wouldn't necessarily um say that Curtis I think previously when the police oversight

[50:01] panel was appointed by council >> both just like any you know other boards and commissions panel appoints there's an application anyone finishing their term has to reapply the same posture for every board and commission. >> So, that has happened in the past. Mhm. >> I think we missed one uh quite frankly in the transition from the appointing authority being council to the manager >> and it's one of the reasons actually in my early December I want to say December 5th email to you all I I actually acknowledged that and said hey we have an appointment process. It it is in ordinance about reapplying. Reapplying is a formal um is a formal thing. It's not just I'm I want to I want to remain and that happens which is what happened with one of the current members. So we missed that and I wanted to make sure nobody missed their window on this one and had the opportunity to apply. >> Okay. So you're saying that it's written in the boards and commissions that uh

[51:02] panelists sitting panelists have to reapply or it's written in the ordinance because I didn't see that >> code. talks about reapplying, >> reappoint, reappoint, reappoint. And so the the and then you look to the process which is um you know this it's in the city manager's discretion essentially to appoint whoever >> right >> if she wants to who who have applied. And so because um the panel is kind of a somewhat of a special entity because it's appointed by the city manager, you know, the closest other sort of thing that the city uses is the board and commission appointment process. And so following that process would require everybody to reapply even if they're a sitting member. To do it to do it otherwise would be um not applying really any sort of a process. And as Maria said when there was the shift between uh going from being appointed by city council to being appointed by the city manager, there was uh uh that process was not strictly followed. And

[52:02] so, um, rather than just kind of repeating that same sort of process mistake, uh, this round, uh, we followed the board and commission process and require people to reapply just like boarding commission members do. And so, um, so this goround was much much more closely following the the actual process supposed to be. I I would add one thing too is that the application process for this panel unlike others requires an advisory committee to support that um before their recommendations come to me for appointment. So it has to go through that process >> um in order for recommendations to come my way and then re reappoints occur. >> Understood. Understood. Okay. I'm just trying to figure out uh in the boards and commissions uh relication that you're talking about. Um where is that? Where where can we find that? Cuz I looked on the board and commission's guidelines. It doesn't mention anything

[53:00] about that. And I looked in the ordinance and bylaws and couldn't find it there either. >> And uh you know, Nur can back me up here, but um I'd have to look closely in the code to see if the that is in the code or could be just city practice. And uh okay sometimes when uh the governmental organization does something enough it becomes almost as good as law if it's a practice that's followed over time. >> It is a practice and it's because people serve terms and once the term is over it cannot just be extended. You have to somebody has to reappoint and whether it's now me or it is city council for a boarding commission they have to go through that same process because a reappointment has to happen. Yes, I understand the reappoint has to happen and that the ordinance says that the city manager has the ability to to reappoint. >> Yeah. >> But uh we're we're saying that uh uh we we missed one. I I assume you're referring to Chico. >> Yeah, I believe so. >> Is that the panelist who we're talking about didn't have to reapply but was able to uh extend his term by indication

[54:01] alone? um sheep and the your prior Victor >> Victor and also Meline who I spoke with and said she's never had to reapply >> then I apologize but I know we missed the process but I know that Meline had applied the first time >> applied the first time but I'm talking about sitting panelist whose terms are at an end and they want to extend or do another term they're saying that they have not had to reapply but have been able to do another term based on indication if it's indicated and they were allowed out to they were reappointed then. >> Yeah, >> I I wouldn't say they were reappointed. I think we miss the process. I'm very honest when we miss a process and do something wrong. And when it came to my attention, it is why I honestly said to everyone who was up for reappointment, we have to do it the right way because we are we had not. >> Okay. In in these instances that I'm referring to, you said that you wouldn't say they were reappointed. What would you call that then? >> I I would Well, I think we just missed the process.

[55:01] rolled over. >> Yeah. >> Rolled over >> into another term. >> And we're just not calling that reappoint. >> Right. And I think if if you if it's okay, I I would I think this is something that needs to be clarified because I' I've often wondered this because I've for commissions as has Bill and I don't I've wondered if if it's clified anywhere that, you know, you apply for the HRC, you apply for all the rest of them. Where does it say that you have to go through this process? I'm not sure what it does. >> There is a term that ends and then in order to continue >> I get that. And so what I'm thinking is is that just for consistency, >> what if we just folded our application process into the boards and commissions? >> That's what we did this year. >> But but was it I don't think was on the boards and commissions application where you go to board, you know, the arts commission, you go to the planning board, you go to the HRC. wasn't pop in that list. And I think we would get way

[56:01] more interest from from the citizens if they were, okay, well, I don't want to be on the planning board. I don't want to be on the human relations commission. Oh, police oversight panel. That would sounds interesting to me. >> Alan, um, starting not this recruitment period, but last recruitment period, that's exactly what we did. So, we were we were folded into the boards of commission, >> but I know that on there, it >> Yeah, that's we did that to for Exactly. to your point. to try to be able to piggy back onto their outreach efforts and to be more consistent. >> So, so maybe I was just thinking not back far enough >> when you too far back. >> Well, I didn't I think you were in the first recruitment that I did and that we hadn't we're now the boards and commissions and >> we never think that would I I think we should continue that process. >> So, I understand part of the distinction here. one is a practice but if it's not codified

[57:01] then how do how do we know that it's something that we have to go through having a practice and saying we've done this practice for a few years so it's a natural part of us doing business I get that in a governmental entity but then what I'm hearing Ellen and Curtis is it's not codified anywhere and so if we're going to go through this ordinance reviewed then that has to be part of the process where it has to be codified in terms of what's the what's the >> reappointment process so that we don't keep running into this why because if it's you said you couldn't find it in the boards and commission and I don't know I served on the HRC so long ago that I don't think they were actually doing any kind of if you were out of breath you could re you could be reappointed so still has to appoint you >> so My point is if it how do we codify this so that it's not just a practice

[58:01] but it's something that is in writing. I will admit that sometimes laws can be uh you know as written by human beings they can have things that can be interpreted differently but to Nura's point um I would not advise if I was asked about you know process question whether or not Nura could just appoint someone a current panel member without making them reapply. I'd say, well, then we wouldn't be allowing the advisory committee to have their say in who gets appointed to the panel, which is required by the code. Really, the only way to get them kind of the slate of candidates would be to give them the applications. And so I think um I I I I wouldn't I would not quite say that there isn't um that it's not codified that that individuals would need to reapply to be members of the panel because it is codified that um uh the city manager must take into account the advisory committee's recommendations. The only way they can

[59:00] make those recommendations is if they can have applications. So where is that written? It's uh uh 21110 is the panel appointment process and then the when it speaks about the advisory committee that's subsection C. Okay. if I can just jump in and I and I think I understand where all the concerns are coming and I think that this time it felt like I remember your email >> and uh we we've been I know several panel members and ourselves the coaches have been asking like what what's going on with the terms when do we have to reply when I when I'm running out and I think part of of of what was missed this time around was more clarity around here's the process here's what's going to happen once you submit your application you're going to be selected to go to an interview and then after the interview so I think like when I

[60:00] submitted my application I didn't know that then I will be invited to an interview or not >> and that was a surprise um and if I can and take the opportunity to provide feedback on the interview uh and I have said this to a few members. But the interview was 15 minutes and and I'm sure you went through it. I think I hope we had the same. >> We all did. >> Yeah. >> And it was it was it was like a minute answer uh per question and that is not trauma informed and that is not accessible. Uh I have to say like for me it was not terrifying because that's like I'm trained. I have that's my job to convince people in a minute to vote for something so to elect me. But in this in this case, I don't think that that form of interview is accessible or trauma-informed or even friendly uh for for anyone applying. And and also I

[61:03] think I would have appreciated knowing when I submitted my application that my application will get me into an interview or not. because I would have probably put more attention to certain things. So, make sure to convey my interest and and that I think kind of trigger um you know something that I I it's not a great it was not in my opinion a great process and it wasn't communicated properly. So, that that's kind of feedback for the future. I appreciate that and I'll because we follow the boards and commissions process too. I'll share that with um the clar and with council because part of this is they're seeing I think 123 interviews they had to see and that's where this process is born from which is why it is a shorter process but I'm happy to share that and maybe something that we >> and I think you know that we I don't

[62:01] know if all the boards and commission have their ordinance we do uh and I think our process not all of them have an advisory group right so I think that we can you know so so we we would make sure that the practice is a thoughtful interview. like the questions were were super deep and and I I think you know great I could manage them because I've been doing this for three years but for someone that is fairly new I don't think you know the timing and the way that the questions were presented was was accessible and and and friendly and you know I rather have three questions that are super deep deep and people can go into them with their full selves than this kind of what what do you do are you fast or are you the you know how just two two plus two it's like three well you want precision or fast you know answer so um anyway I just wanted to provide that feedback I I think it wasn't uh a

[63:01] brilliant process at all and it could have been so much better and probably would have you know again uh going through the application process with more information would have been much much better and with an understanding I think also we fail on the timing knowing that we meet every month like the stretching and trying to figure out are we going to be having new panel members in March? Are we on time? Are we on track? Do we have to boss? And all that I think should have been more kind of thoughtfully planned. So, we weren't in this position of of not knowing and not to put you uh you know uh on the spot. We were like, "Okay, we need an answer for by Tuesday. we don't have that then what are we doing so it it brings another like an extra layer of pressure for you too and for us like waiting on on your email for everyone um so anyway I think just having more more a better

[64:00] planification a better understanding of the timing would have take all the feedback >> yeah help >> you know and I thank you for being so gracious always always >> yeah so anyway that that's my two cents on that >> thank you solidette I just want to ask a few more clarifying questions. Chris, you're referring to uh two 211 section C in the ordinance that says the city manager is is that the one you're talking about? >> The advisory committee. Yes. >> Okay. >> City manager shall form an advisory committee to assist in the panel selection process for regular panel operations. >> Uh positions. >> Positions. Thank you. Um and and and you're and you're saying that clause is um is is basically uh what's what what supports that pan that sitting panelist have to reapply. >> Not necessarily that like specific clause that whole section because then there's subsections underneath it and talk about what the advisory committee

[65:00] does. But because the city manager is required to take into account the advisory committee's recommendations, it would make sense that for them to be able to provide intelligent uh recommendations that they would uh you know want to treat everyone the same and so that you know requiring you know folks to apply so that they can go through uh the advisory committee so that that committee can provide the city manager with its recommendations on who should be appointed. Uh >> not reappointed though. the there's a there's a there's a clause in there about I maybe it's under terms Chris that says city manager may reappoint. >> Yeah. >> Um and the may is the discretionary part which is the same for council, right? Absolutely. >> And it says I'm fairly certain it says reappoint and so there's something in there or may serve another term. >> I I understand that that you have the authority to to maybe reappoint. The issue that I have is with the process of making sitting panelists reapply and using that process as if as if it is uh

[66:01] somehow mandatory to the process when it has not been historically practiced. I spoke to the oldest sitting panelist that was here when the panel started and they said they've never had to reapply or are completely unaware of any reapplication process. >> That way they wanted to extend their terms. They did so by indication. That's been what's that's been what's historically practiced to everyone sitting on the panel. So, my thing is that if there's been a change or or going back to the old way that was apparently never practiced in the first place, then uh that's a problem that that should have been voted upon. Uh uh uh and and it wasn't. And because of that, now we're losing a a a panelist uh like me, Lynn, who served for three years and has historical context. Uh that's really important to new and to new panelists coming in. So, that's the feedback that I have is that >> I appreciate that. I can't appreciate that. >> So moving forward, what we just experienced will be the process. >> Yes.

[67:01] >> Unless code is changed. >> But it's not explicitly written in the code that we have to have a relication process. >> I I would disagree. I think the terms may reappoint and the fact that there is an advisory committee that has to see the applications in order to provide recommendations and we are following whether or not we followed it in the past because I'm I'm clear about we did not right there were there were cases in which that was not but under council appointments it would have been the same reapplication process excuse me so I I don't believe it is a change in process as much as a correction of something we didn't do right >> I think I think the The sticking point is is we calling it reappointment because if once you cycle off another board or commission your term's up and you just have to reapply again >> and it's not you don't you don't get any kind of added value for having been on the on say the HRC for a previous term. You your term ends and you reapply. It's like Chris was saying well once you're

[68:00] off this you're out and so reapply and don't sit around the table I guess is what you were getting at. This is a this this is a ritualistic table. And so the the so the idea is is that if we just say your term is and if you want to get back on you have to reapply. There isn't there isn't this there isn't this idea that okay my term is up and because I've been here before I want to get re reappointed again. that kind of anointment process I think goes counter to this whole idea of uh of of equity >> and it's one of the reasons I sent everyone that email about reappointments because I didn't want people to miss the process but that doesn't mean that the process can't be clear can't be um that we can't um think about what does that look like and have more clarity to it but >> but it is one of the reasons that I wanted to make sure people knew there was a window opening and >> to do that I just want to name that what

[69:00] has been historically practiced from panelists who were sitting here when the panel started that was never practiced. Mhm. >> So boards and commissions I I don't I don't know what document you're referring to, but as far as the boards and commissions guidelines, maybe there's another governing documents of boards and commissions is there. >> Boards and commissions sometimes have bylaws just like the panel, but they also have their own sections in the code like landmarks board or planning board. Um, and you'll see in each of those sections for the various boards that they talk about, you know, the terms and the appointment process and how long that they can serve. So, um, >> it's tied to terms and it's all the same because it is all part of the board and commission process. >> This panel when I think it first started was tied into that as well. Even though there is a very >> um this is a unique panel uh in in many respects. >> Some in some cases it has to apply with boards of commissions and other cases it doesn't. I think it always was intended

[70:00] to be thoughtful and to be sort of similar to that. We did not tie it to that and we wanted to move that in that direction to make sure that it was there. In fact, it was on one of the recommendations of former Ps to make sure that we were more aligned with boards and commissions. Um, in terms of how that happened, um, I I don't know the dates of everyone when they first started and when they ended, but it would have been the same process of reappoint with council had it not in in the recent past switched over to city manager. Um, it it just would have been the same reappoint process. >> It would have been the same reapplication process. >> All board and commission members also still have to reapply. Now, I grant you we missed it, but it would have been the same reapplication process. >> I think there's a difference between missing it and have never practiced it. >> I don't know that we have never practiced it. To be fair, I don't know the terms and when that happened. If they went before council, they'd have to reapply >> and I can't recall the dates in which that switched.

[71:02] >> Well, and I think the point is whether it was practiced or not, that's the process moving forward. Is that correct? So, we're not going to change that. So, so I think >> unless we'll change the I think yeah the uny review this feedback is different than our fiveyear review. The code is something we don't have any say in >> but if there are recommendations from the five-year review that we do then to put in the ordinance or >> the code is a much larger thing than the ordinance right >> I think we're using >> we can we can change the ordinance the which is the same >> you can recommend changes >> I mean you can lobby for a change there is a practice I think we've got to keep moving really appreciate your questions and feedback. >> Absolutely. >> Let's keep talking about it. It I think that sounds like the forum is the five-year review. That's a good place to

[72:00] kind of hold those conversations. And if anyone else has thoughts or feedback having just been through the process as a new panel member as well, totally welcome and encourage you guys to to submit that feedback too. So, >> welcome to the conversation. >> Always. Yeah. >> Yeah. We can fill you in more call us and we can >> um All right. Rapid fire through these last few. Um coach election. >> Thank you so much. >> Always here though and happy to come back whenever you need. >> Bye. Thanks everybody. >> Thank you. >> All right. Co-chair election protocol. This month we're going to talk about how we want the elections to go. This is up to the panel. We've done it in two different ways. I'll tell you a little bit or we can tell you a little bit about both of those. Um, but we could do this however the group would like. The goal is next month to hold elections for co-chairs. So, Soladad and I were

[73:00] co-chairs for the last year. Co-chairs serve one-year terms and they need to be um voted on by a majority of the panel to become co-chairs. But other than that, there's notion in the ordinance or the bylaws. Um so we are just temporary interim for the next month so that we have co-chairs before we all can elect new co-chairs. So um the two processes that we've done in the past and please jump in if I say this wrong. Two years ago we did like a simple election anyone who wanted to um kind of signal their interest in being a co-chair had a couple weeks to kind of put their hand up and say so. Um in the panel meeting we went around and I think you had a minute or two to give your sort talk a little bit about why you wanted to be a co-chair and then we did a simple vote. Um last year we did a process that was a little more um uh strategic I guess involved I think Alan we were on >> was more consensus based. >> Yes. Do you want to tell us a 30 second

[74:01] or socio >> sociocratic? Yes. Do you want to give us like a 30? But the idea was to rather than it always being the senior members or the most knowledgeable people at Weber, it gave everybody an opportunity to be a part of the process. So you could either you could opt out, but the idea was everyone was in and it was kind of rank choice voting where people I think we voted for the top three people. I can't remember. We'd have to go back and check the notes. And then the top two were top top two. There was a a vote on that. But again, but the idea was to to rather than just start out with people who, you know, wanted to campaign and get picked, it would gave more of an opportunity for everyone else to kind of be involved in the process. >> Yeah, >> I thought it worked pretty well. >> It did. Yeah. So, crucially, everyone was in by default. You actually weren't not allowed to opt. That's right. I guess you were chosen. If you didn't want to do it, you could say no. Um,

[75:01] that's Yeah. And I don't I cannot apply again because I've been at the chair for two years. >> So, I'm going to be leaving and we're going to need at least I mean one new coach for sure. >> Um, >> go ahead. One question I had is rather than having annual elections, what if we had to had two-year terms? >> Can't do that without changing the bike. So I think that's one thing that we ought to take a look at because it just seems to be one of those administrative things. It, you know, takes up a whole meeting >> and then it just takes another training process to reorient people over and over when I think we could, you know, if we settle on someone, we should have faith that they're going to be able to carry through their orders, you know, for two years. >> Yeah, it's a fair point. And we can vote to change our bylaws. I might actually support keeping one-year terms. I think it's a big task and folks don't always know exactly what they're getting into and so I think it's a little bit more

[76:01] approachable to say for a year >> and you can always reapply again. Um and I think it probably also makes things easier with you know it can be a little chaot chaotic with when folks terms roll over when not that is true. >> Yeah. Okay. References members who were here last year. Did you like that? Do you want to do it the same way? >> Go find me. >> I wasn't here, but I'll do it. >> The I really appreciated the everybody's in mindset. I like that it didn't force people to be like, I want to do it because I think that can mean some people fall out of the process when they shouldn't. However, it was a lot of time. It took up a lot of a meeting. So perhaps we could combine the two a bit and do a more streamlined version of that if folks want to. Yeah. Do you have any thoughts? >> Um I agree. I think um yeah, dedicating the whole meeting to it was was a bit

[77:00] too much. I think we can streamline a little bit and also Sorry. >> Oh, crazy. What you want to say? >> I was going to say something. Um >> so, you know, potentially could combine the two as Lizzie was saying where somebody could say I'm interested. Um, but because we use Robert's rules of order, which you'll learn a little bit about the legal training, uh, any action of the panel has to have a motion and then be seconded and then be voted on. So, um, someone could basically say, you know, I'm interested, I move, you know, to be a co-chair and then if they get a second, then I could be voted on. That's how like it officially could happen. But if uh someone thought that someone else would be a really good co-chair, they could move that they're a co-chair. And then if that gets a second, then they could be appointed co-chair if the vote carries. So, I just wanted to put that out there that you that it doesn't have to be like I'm campaigning for co-chair. Um it could be you you could nominate someone else. I just wanted to put that out there.

[78:01] The vibe vibe I'm getting is no strong feelings which is also totally valid feedback. Do we want to is that is everyone good with maybe sol you know what you're probably election commissioner because >> partial would you like to design the process and be ready to manage it next month? >> Sure. Yeah. Okay. Um, >> would it be against any rules to like um if you're want if you want to be a co-chair to like put that in like a an email to other panel members. That way you're not having to spend time talking about why you want to do this during a meeting as opposed to doing other things. Is that >> you can you can communi yes you can communicate to all panel members what and you'll learn about this in legal training uh you just can't have uh substantive discussion back and forth outside of these public meetings with more than two members. So, if you have a big email chain uh talking about, you

[79:01] know, who who we're going to elect as co-chairs, you know, you can't do that in the email chain. But if um you know, Lizzie, for example, wanted to write a a statement on why she wants to be the a co-chair again, she could uh write that statement and then send it out to the panel. I would always suggest bccing, you know, ghost ccing folks so that in case somebody hits reply, it's not replying at all. then we have an open meetings law violation. But but yes, that is a good idea. It's certainly a potential avenue. Um and city council does that with hotline where they'll they'll send out a communication that's read by the rest of council, but they're not it's not a back and forth. The thing you want to avoid outside of these public meetings back and forths. >> Okay. Super briefly. So what I don't like about that kind of process is is that you know there could be four people who say they want to be the be one of the co-chairs and then two people get voted out. So to me it makes more sense just because I'm a consensus guy to have

[80:00] like Solidad or or Lizzy or some kind of nominating group kind of pick out two people. these are the two people that uh we agree we think would be the good the co-chairs as opposed to exposing everybody to a vote when and then there will be losers and I don't like to see organizations like this have loers >> yeah good point okay why don't we let's do this anyone that has an interest in being a co-chair I commit to like a thoughtful process I can reach out to you Alan if I need some support in creating that. Uh so email me only if you're interested in being a coach or continuing to be a coach and then if if we don't get any email then we're in trouble. If we get only one email and one or one person will be interested well we'll we'll see kind of how that goes. But I think it will be important

[81:00] to kind of gauge the interest. We won't we don't want to force anyone into it either. But um anyway, that's what we can do. And also what I was thinking we could do or I can commit uh to do is send an email out kind of laying out what the commitment and time commitment is so everyone knows what they're getting into. Um so that way it can Okay. And just so it's clear, new members are also totally eligible to be co-chairs. So everyone is welcome. Send questions to Solid. >> Yeah. >> All right. Uh we're Can we do these in one minute each and then try to get to public comment? Our community members have been very patient. Q1 meeting with the chief. >> Um I've been in communication with BPD and um you saw the email that the chief sent you. I don't know if you've shared it

[82:00] with the >> with the description of the changes. Yeah, I don't know if you shared that. >> We're talking about general order 120. Um BPD says that in two weeks at the meeting with the chief, we could use that as a training session for general order 12 if y'all are interested. Yes, that'd be great. >> Okay. Um, also, um, we're we're not sure about timing, but that that could also be an opportunity if, uh, if they have the available availability for someone to also do a presentation on the, um, the request from panel members of learning how cases move from like officer to sergeants and back and then their relationship with the detectives division and how that flows. >> That would be great. Do you think we have time for both of those? I'm my thoughts would maybe be if we would do it if we would say to do both to maybe do the the detective one first. Um but that I I told them I' I'd get back to them after to see how council members

[83:00] felt about that. >> Lawrence has a question. >> Oh, go ahead, Lawrence. >> Thanks. >> Hi. Um, it it occurs to me in a previous meeting you had, Milan asked to have a session with the new trainer for the police. >> He's not available that day. >> Okay. >> I did make that request, but he's not available. >> Thank you. But that's probably something we're still trying to like is that request still live and we're working on trying to set that up but it just couldn't happen during that meeting >> because we still want to meet with >> Yeah. Okay. Without >> I don't know if you wanted at a we had talked about it being at the next quarterly meeting. Sure. >> So I mean maybe we can add something in the April training >> to I think the sooner the better and that that any available time where we're meeting maybe you could view those as options. >> Okay. Super quick background for our new panel members. General order 120 is the

[84:02] BPD policy. Please correct me if I say anything wrong. That governs um the complaint and misconduct process. Uh BBD has a draft totally rewritten version of their policy that they have provided to us in draft form for questions and comments. So we've had it for about a month. We just got a good summary of changes yesterday. That's what Sher mentioned. I'm going to send that out to everybody or today, sorry. So I'm going to send that out to everybody and we'll use our uh meeting with the chief on the 23rd, two weeks from now to discuss questions and comments. And the meeting with the new trainer is something that came up uh over the last month or two. There's a new um team member, new officer at BPD who is in the staff training role. So providing training to the police department panel had expressed interest in meeting with them to learn about their approach and background. >> Yep. Cool. >> Yes. >> Okay.

[85:00] >> All good. Okay. 2025 annual report. Sherry go. >> One minute. Um, we are much farther along with the 2025 case load. So, I'm hoping that we can put together the 2025 annual report earlier this year is significantly progressed. Um, and I am suggesting I can't make a nomination. um that uh an ad hoc committee of like one to two panel members uh is put together to assist me with the annual report because the the ordinance tasks the panel with putting out an annual report. Do we is anyone interested in theory in participating in helping to put together the annual report Lawrence >> and Lawrence? Excellent. >> It would be >> I'd be interested. Thank you.

[86:01] >> Great. Okay. Um, so I think we need a motion to create a ad hoc committee to support Sherry with creating the support table because otherwise those have to be publicly noticed and >> Oh, two or fewer. Okay. Um >> decide who is >> it's it's okay if you already have two that's fine. >> Can also just language is important. So the ordinance said that the panel has to produce an annual report with the support of the uh monitor and it's not the other way around. It's not the monitor's report with support of the panel. So, so that that's an important thing like the the annual report like the ordinance said that the panel has to produce this annual report with the support of the IPM and city resources. So, so it's the other way around.

[87:00] >> Okay. I'll make a motion that the panel establish an ad hoc committee to write a 2025 annual report with the our representative be representatives being Alex and JD who will report back who will work with Sherry and report to that report back to us from time to time. >> So really moved. Do we have >> Yes. All right. All in favor can I discuss discussion point on that? >> Yes. Like I really appreciate it, but I also think that the annual report is for last year. >> Yeah. >> So we need a former panel member at least. >> True. >> We I mean we can't charge new people. Thank you so much for volunteering to do something that you were not here for. >> So we should have older panel members working on it. >> Okay. >> Could I Curtis? Are you interested? >> Okay. So then perhaps next year. So JD and Curtis,

[88:02] >> would it be or me and someone who's senior to the panel be another suggestion? >> You ready to start JD? >> So you and JD and Curtis. >> Okay, >> good. >> Thank you. >> That's not to say that we can't show up to the meetings and as nonadoc members. >> No, we can't come to the meetings because >> we can definitely find a way for anyone to contribute if they'd like. I think if if more people are interested, we can always make them public. >> Okay. >> As we do community engagement. So >> committee meetings there are public. >> Yep. >> Do you want to amend your motion to be >> JD and Curtis? >> JD and Curtis. >> Okay. And we have a second. >> All right. Second. >> All in favor? Sorry. >> Are you right supporting an unofficial? >> I don't think my term has started yet. So >> yes, Mr. All right, >> Chris has something to say.

[89:00] >> Did you just point out that um technically Alex is an oncoming member that his term doesn't start till the next >> and so I was I advised that I was okay with him being here because member training >> students are on a different cadence. >> Member training versus puts me in kind of a special category. >> Got it. Okay. Well, I advise that it's my opinion. It's okay to be here. So, thank you for being here. >> Okay. >> JB and Curtis is >> fine to do this. Okay. >> Public comment and we have Q&A. So, if you want to manage public comment, that would be and then I'll take off. >> Great. >> Um, we are finally going to go to public comment. Thank you all for bearing with us. We really appreciate you all being here. Um, we also see some Q&A in the meeting. So perhaps let's do public comment. And if you put your comment in the Q&A and you just want us to answer

[90:00] that, we will address those as soon as we're done with public comment. But you are all welcome to speak for up to two minutes and we'll have a timer for you. Since we do have 16 folks in attendance, what we'll do here is just ask if you'd like to give public comment, please just raise your hand and we will go through one at a time, let you know you can unmute, start your timer, and then you're free to go ahead and speak. Um, Selena, do you want to manage calling out names or would you like me to do that once? >> Can you do that? I I can't see. >> Okay. >> So, wait, we need >> Yeah. Can you just scroll up slightly? Yes. Go ahead. >> Okay. I think we have Dan. Uh in just a moment we're gonna unmute you. >> Uh Sher, are you controlling the can't see >> there? >> All right, Dan, you are free to unmute

[91:01] and speak. >> Yeah, go ahead. >> Yeah. First of all, I just wanted to say thank you to the members of the panel for their work on this oversight board. I've worked in government and national security my whole life and I know that oversight and accountability is a real gift. It's how we learn and it's how we get better and I'm just really grateful for your service. Uh that's why I was so concerned when I saw this complaint against uh the outgoing chairwoman uh Miss Diaz of this oversight panel. The complaint really surprised me. I read it carefully and found it really concerning. At best, an accusation of bias like this against a a chairperson conducting oversight um can send a chilling signal about the police's willingness to receive feedback about their work. And at worse, an accusation like this against a woman of color from the police is uh is a really dangerous signal. If I were in her

[92:00] shoes, um I I I would feel Yeah. Well, perhaps you can ask her. Uh either way, I think it calls into question the ability of the oversight to function in this city uh and the willingness of the police force and the members of the police to subject themselves to have to receive the gift of oversight from citizens. Um I I was surprised. I assumed that there was going to be discussion of this today in this panel. I feel disappointed that there was no mention of it. Um, I haven't seen any public comments from the city manager, who I know just departed, um, or by the independent police monitor, who I know is still here, or the police chief in defense of the right of the committee to question and critique and and and conduct oversight against the police. Uh, and have the police, the members of the union, respect and support and celebrate that. Uh, and if I So, um, yeah, I just feel like this silence

[93:00] doesn't represent, um, the values of this city that I hold dear. So, thank you. >> Thank you, Dan. We appreciate your comments. Um, for the members of the panel, we are able to respond if anyone would like to in general for public comment. Um, next up, we have uh I apologize if I'm not saying your name correctly. Is it >> uh you are free to unmute and begin. >> Hi, I have been a resident of city of Boulder for 13 years. I am a climate scientist, a work with a lot of data and the other job I do is hold grief and rage spaces for people who are working on climate and uh for climate and justice. I specially create spaces for people of color around the city of Boulder and county of Boulder. I want to

[94:01] highlight that the percentage of black people in this city is 1%. The national average is over 13.5%. Uh even University CU Boulder has a percentage of black people uh black folks at 2%. We are losing black people. And for the police union complaint to say that police uh professionals, police department uh members are leaving the city. Um I just am stunned. Uh just like Dan, I would like for this um for the yeah the police chief and city manager to respond to this in very clear ways. I cannot tell you how many times I have heard Naropa students, CU Boulder students and members of public at large that they face blatant racism, microaggressions,

[95:00] allegations of theft, unwelcome touch and molestation that they do not report to police. My own self, my husband and I, climate scientist owning a home in South Boulder, we were told that we belong in Guantanamo Bay. We should we do not have the right to live here a few years ago. We chose not to go to the police after that blatant uh uh incident because we had little trust that our agony and pain will be held well. The work you guys are doing is >> Can I move to add another minute to her time? >> I think she has to request it. It's not we can the chairs we can provide it. Yeah. Okay. Let's critique. You have one more minute if you'd like it. >> Yes. I'd like to thank you. Um I I I just want a very clear response. If you want people of color to stay in this

[96:01] city, please please speak up for us. People of color are leaving the city. People of color do not trust this city. I have personally lost friends, colleagues to other cities or they have totally moved out of Colorado and um that's all I need to say. There is a disconnect between experience of police force and the people of color citizens of this country. There are ways to deal with it. Uh if you haven't heard of my grandmother's hands, there are skillful ways to hold pain on both sides. I'm a huge advocate of that. But we cannot put put this issue under the rug. And thank you. Thank you for all the work you do. I really appreciate it. It's been uh sweet to hear all of you put your u effort, time, and sweat.

[97:00] >> Thank you very much, Kitty. Um next up we have River. Uh in just a moment you will be able to unmute and speak. Um next one >> is >> one down. >> All right. Sorry. One second. >> There you go. >> Okay. You are now able to unmute. Go ahead, River. >> Hello. Um and also thank you for the work um you're doing. I was also hoping um that the complaint against Miss Diaz would be on the agenda. I was just really concerned when I read about it. Um I'm, you know, I'm on the one hand I'm concerned that this complaint treats disagreement about interpretation of cases um as misconduct. Um it also seems to be treating um well for that it's like oversight panels are designed to incorporate diverse interpretations

[98:00] of these incidents. like that's what I understand to be the point of these panels um especially around bias or community impact on um marginalized communities and I that only works if panel members can interpret this evidence independently and offer their unique perspectives on it. Um I'm also concerned that it seemed to present con uh concerns about the process as misconduct. I think you know that you as panel members need to be able to criticize the process that it can be reformed. And if expressing those concerns becomes grounds for discipline, I think it undermines the independence that this panel has and that civilian oversight is meant to provide. Um, I think that healthy oversight means we need to have space for disagreement and critique and I'm really hoping that the city will protect that independence and

[99:03] I again really appreciate that this panel exists. Thank you. >> Thanks, River. Um, all right, that was the last hand I see. I just want to put out one more call. If anyone would like to give public comment, please go ahead and put your hand up and you can have your time to speak. If not, we will start uh going through the Q&A. Um do you want to take over for Q&A, Soda, or would you like me to read them? I'm good. However you Okay. Okay. Okay. So, uh we're going to read the Q&A. Um, we have community member if they are so appreciated. Oh, this is a 655. So, whatever. Uh, if they are so appreciated, why are they leaving? It seemed like Milan was not leaving of her own accord. Can you give us a brief understanding?

[100:02] >> Um, first question about why the panel members who were not panel members had to leave when the meeting started. That question's asking. Oh, um I I do interpret that differently in terms of leaving the panel as like a member of the panel. This is how I interpret that. But um but essentially to answer your question, Bill, uh only only panel members, city staff or people who are on on the agenda really should be in this room. We allow community members to attend virtually. Once once somebody's not a panel member anymore, then they're just a beloved community member, which is great. >> Uh just to briefly answer in short, uh Milan uh and Turner reapplied for to be reappointed as we also did. We were five uh panel members that were reapplying for another uh term and Milan and Milan

[101:01] was not invited to the interview and Turner was invited to the interview but wasn't selected. So we we lost uh both of them in in this new process. So that that's um yeah, you're right. He he wanted I mean Milan and Turner both wanted to stay on the panel and they were not recommended by the uh selection panel. >> Exactly. >> Yes. >> Yeah. And I think it's also important to admit as we were appreciating Milin uh all of the hard work and dedication and the fact that she's taken more cases than anyone else and has constantly showed up as Sher said and even though she reapplied wasn't even taken in for an interview. >> Yeah. >> Um just want to name that. Yeah, true. Okay, next. It is very sad that Milan was not reappointed for Criti. Criti again, what was the basis for not inviting Milan for an interview? Uh, put that announcement. Um, the city manager

[102:01] again pretty holds too much power here. Um, uh, Milan said, um, actually even under the city council, there was no relication process. community member. Thank you to the current speaker Dan. These were my concerns as well which sparked my commitment to show up to this meeting. It's key issue that needs to be discussed with urgency with the urgency it deserves. >> I'm sorry. Can we go back to Milan's statement? >> Yeah. >> Milan said actually under the city council there was no relication process. Milan being a a panelist who served on the panel for three years. Noria just sat here and said that uh the reapplication existed during the transfer of appointment between city council and uh the city manager and had it still been in the hands of the city council, we would still be doing a relication process. Um and that's not the case. >> Okay. >> Mhm. >> Uh can you Okay. Uh anonymous uh

[103:00] attendee, I have been attending quite a few POP meetings lately and I have asked the following two question a couple of times. also via email to the city manager but never received an answer. Why was there a need to reinterpret the police oversight ordinance? Why was this uh reinterpretation done without the involvement of the panel and or the community that this panel serves? In the meantime, I have gathered two additional questions. I'm not sure I was able to fully understand the whole discussion around reapplication, but we seem to have lost a valuable panel member due to a new process. Yes. And the fourth question, I see there is a police union complaint against Solidad being biased. My opinion of course she's well uh she is as we all are. I personally am rather concerned about anyone including police officers claiming not to be biased. Isn't that why we need this panel? >> Would love uh would love it if someone could help me understand all four concerns. Thank you. Um anonymous attendee again. What was the basis for

[104:01] not inviting me back for an interview after she applied? Uh, we don't know that. Um, okay. So, I'm facilitating, but can I take a second to first? So, first of all, uh, thank you so much for the members of the public that, um, have expressed their support. Um yes there is a code of conduct complaint that is now of public knowledge. The complaint had been um made public for a week I guess or so. Um I still don't have a decision I I haven't received any decision from the city manager who I think is the one that will provide the resolution. Right. Um, >> anytime there's a code of conduct complaint after the investigation is deemed completed, then it's to be made public. >> Yeah. Okay. So, haven't seen that happen yet. Um,

[105:04] it sucks. I have shared this with some panel members. Um, I do feel unsafe. Uh the complaint was filed by uh the whole police union which is very scary. It's not from one person but the whole union. Um and also I think it's a challenge to our systems. Uh it's a challenge for all panel members. Um am I biased? Absolutely yes. I guess the only difference I'm working on it every single day. Um, we're all biased, I guess. Um, so, and also I'm aware that I'm biased, which also brings some, you know, level of conscience conscientiousness, I guess, to the table. Um, I'm very concerned about that

[106:01] uh the police union being feeling empowered enough to file a code of conduct complaint like the one that you all saw we all read um is about how how I voted in two cases specifically and something that I said in a minute meeting. So, it's very concerning that we're all I'm going to say this with a grain of salt that we're all exposed to that even though in these two cases there were three panel members that review the cases and I am the only one that is receiving a code of conduct complaint. Um, and in I want to be direct and honest and and I appreciate Sterling you being here, but I do wonder like do you all voted to file this against me? And is this 185 members of the union that had this discussion and then decided that

[107:02] this was the way to go against me or is this one person decision? And you don't have to answer because I know you don't represent everyone. But that's a question that I have. >> There was no vote about it. Um there was no discussion about it as far as I know prior uh to it being um sent I guess whoever it went to. Mhm. >> Um so >> that's >> so it's it's a challenge and when when Milan said you are coming to a panel in crisis I guess crisis is too big of a word but I don't know how else to call um this and and it's scary and it's scary for me and it's scary for my family. I'm an immigrant and immigrants are not the happiest people in this uh times in the in this country. So, um >> I would also I would obviously like you

[108:02] said, I don't speak for everybody, but I don't think most of the officers even know um that anything was filed or what the complaint was. So, for what it's worth, >> thank you. I really appreciate that. I'm curious for the new panel members. I don't know what you're speaking of. Is there something that you could send to an email? So, I could look to see what this Oh, sure. is >> So, the the everything we're talking about is part of a confidential process that has not been raised in any public way to the panel. However, um a news article ran about a week ago about this. >> I'm Yeah, I'm curious of like what the news article is and where I can find it. So, I can look into it so I know what >> Yeah. everybody's speaking on. >> We'll point that to that. >> Yeah, it's hard to talk. I I really appreciate the public's comments about how I can't believe we're not talking about this. It's it is this huge thing, but it is also very difficult because it's confidential and private and we

[109:00] want to respect the privacy of individual panel members also. So, really appreciate you sharing with us today what you have and we support you thousand%. Um and we're here to support you how we can and however you are comfortable with >> you. Thank you. It's a bold reporting lab and the complaint is actually linked there. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. I can thank you. >> Yeah. So, I want to speak to the complaint because I was also part of that group who looked at that case and I don't disagree with what you said and I would probably say the same things about whether I would push our community to report things based on the way that they're treated. And I didn't get a complaint of code of conduct. And I know that the union has changed leadership in the last year. And I'm

[110:00] going to say this publicly. We need to have a meeting with the leadership of the Boulder Police Union because if this is the pattern of behavior that we're going to see when they disagree with us >> or when they say that we're biased, which if you're listening, we are all biased, including everybody regardless of what their role is, what their title is. The way that all human beings are alike is we bias, we judge, and we stereotype. And the only difference is how we learn those. And we live in a country that is completely biased and there's no accountability. And if accountability for us is a complaint, then y'all better get your pens ready because we're not going to stop talking about what we believe is true and why we're part of this panel. And and I don't think we're scared to have a public meeting with the leaders of the police union to understand

[111:00] what is the process going to be moving forward and if are we going to have a working relationship or are we not >> because that is very important because I think prior to this complaint we've had a pretty good relationship with the police department in as a whole and with the police chief and we can't operate this way without a conversation. And I'm not one to shy away from that or to have any of our new panel members think that I can't speak my mind because I'm going to have a bias complaint. Like if if we're going to complain about biases, we just might as well complain about each other every day >> because every single person is exhibiting biases and that's why we're here. So, so I think that I just want to put that out into the public that that's just based on that we need to add something to our meeting to meet with the leadership of the union to let them

[112:02] know that we are here to work with you and not against you and we'd like to have that same relationship with you. And and I'm the kind of person where like if it's not going to be that way, just tell me. >> Yeah. Because we're all we're all we're all grown up. We're all adults. And if we're going to be adversaries, tell me that >> because then we know how to approach our part. If we're going to be collaborators, then we have to do something different because if you're going to file a complaint, it should have been against all three of us because we were all in the same discussion. And I didn't I agreed with everything that my colleague said. And so, so there's an issue there that I think we need to address. >> Turn around. >> Yeah. I'm wondering with this complaint, it seems like it's it says to me that um officers have access to how we vote in um our

[113:01] in our in our case reviews. And I'm just wondering how does that give us the the security that like like I don't want anybody like the people who I'm voting about allegations to and stuff to know how I'm voting because if they can see that how does how does that ensure a fair and like secure process? >> Hands up. >> Oh, I was waiting to be called upon. Um, just so you know, Turner, and I mean so everyone knows, um, you see the memos that I send out where it's it's they they know which panel members were on the case review, but there's nothing attributed to any specific individual panel member. You you all see those those memos. So, I just wanted that to be clear. And just to be really clear, this complaint came from whoever filed it watching a public meeting where Solidad voiced some opinions that were hers and weren't really connected to any

[114:02] case at all. So, just to be really clear on that, that's where that's that's where the language came from. It was watching one of these panel meetings >> and they construed it as she was being racially biased and discriminatory based on their own bias of what they heard from. So, >> let me just um >> so I just want I don't want to belabor it. So, >> yeah, I'm kind of emotional, but can you read the Q&A that we have there? >> Yes. Sorry. I may make a brief statement. One of the previous questions that I believe started this conversation was multiart. Could we just go back to that to make sure we address every piece for their question? >> We won't be able to get it all. >> Stuff we'll have to >> So these are big questions and some of them need um we would need information from the city manager. >> How about this as a commitment? Can we co-chairs work on >> tracking down answers to those and >> what's the best way to share them? Um,

[115:01] so the those questions I think we can we can get back to it. Maybe next month we can Can you screenshot those? >> Um, >> so we can just have them. Uh, but I >> for our anonymous attendee, um, if you would like us to get back to you individually sooner, um, please email the panel and just let us know. You can email us at >> policeversight panel bouldercol.gov. police oversight panel all one word. If you're comfortable waiting till the next meeting in a month, we will share more comprehensive answers to all those questions >> and I think we have >> no >> okay and wrapping up our questions here. Um >> we've done all these. >> Yeah, let's scroll. Okay, >> it's last. >> Did we answer the first two? No. How so? from anonymous. How do we know if these concerns that are being brought up about

[116:00] Diaz and the police union are being heard and acted upon? How is Diaz being protected? The purpose of the panel is to uplift underserved community member voices. Agree completely. I don't know that we have answers to some of those questions, but I think we have the same questions. Um, from a community member, that complaint is very scary and counter to the intentions and reasoning for this committee. It is a threat to all of the members and the community. The police union is essentially telling everyone to back off while simultaneously attempting to make this committee ineffective and therefore pointless. It is part of a move to say they and no one else will oversee them and their actions even when the community decries their actions. Thank you for that comment. Also from community member quick link to the article. Um thank you. The article is linked there for any community members who'd like to see it. Um, also from community member, so you will come up with a way to address the police union

[117:01] complaint and how to protect Diaz and other members by next meeting. Um, our comments about the questions were actually for a different set of questions. We will have responses to those questions. I think we as a panel are working on figuring out how we want to proceed in our next steps related to the complaint. Anyone want to share anything else about that? Okay. All right. I think that's all of our questions. Solidad, would you like me to continue or do you want to pick up? >> All right. Thank you all. We really appreciate you all being here and sharing your thoughts and questions with us. So, thank you again. Does anyone need a five minute break or are we good to continue? >> Continue. Yes. Okay, let's do it. Okay, we're moving into our community outreach and engagement committee update from Belle. >> So, I have very little of an update. I want to um do something. I'm gonna ask S

[118:02] Stone to do something, but I want to just let you all know that um community engagement is something that we expect everyone to play a role in. Whether it's um uh helping us to find the communities that you represent, whether it's um helping us to create an event to sometimes city events where we ask people to come and just man tables and and to engage with the public. And so we'll we'll talk more of those. Uh we have a community engagement meeting once a month, usually the first first or second Thursday, >> but I'll adjust those and send out some calendar invites. And basically the first meeting will be to talk about ideas that you have. So I just would encourage you to think about things that um in the communities you move in and out of. Are there groups that would

[119:00] benefit from having us come there? talked about what the panel does, how to file a complaint, and then just do live Q&As's. But I want to um give a little light on the case. I recognize that Sterling is our liaison, and I just wondered if you wanted to say anything to our panel members as our liaison and somebody who has been committed to our um committee for as long as I've been here. And I want to um just want to honor that my time. >> Yeah. Um, I just want to like offer my services more. Um, especially like for you guys have any questions once you start doing case reviews. Um, I'm I've been a police officer here for 23 years. I'm a defensive tactics instructor and officer survival instructor amongst other things. So, I think I have a a pretty good understanding of um what what should be done, what could be be done, and a lot of the the complaints you're going to look at, especially if they involve any types of use of force.

[120:01] Um so, I'm I I really want to be a resource for everybody. Um, so if you have questions about like if you if you have any questions about like what an officer did on a call, I'm happy to um talk with you guys either email or phone or in person to say, "Hey, this is what I think this is how we how we train." Um, yes, this was in line with training, was not in line with training, those type of things. >> Exc. >> Thank you. >> Okay, so that's all I have. Even though historically I haven't said everybody needs to be involved in community engagement moving forward. I'm gonna say that >> we need help. >> April, >> what was it? April >> I think second. It's in the ordinance actually. >> Okay. It's it's in the ordinance that we're all involved >> and we're planning something on April. What is this? >> April second. Jeez.

[121:03] >> First person. >> Oh, and we were gonna ask you about your conference room. >> Sure. >> How many people does it hold? >> I'll have to get back to you on that, but I think I think at least four. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, we're looking to do something either at the W or Cherry's looking to the one of the libraries. It's 49 people and it would just be basically a a two-hour event to talk about the panel, what we do, how to file a complaint, and also ask questions about the five-year process that where we are, what do you think needs to happen or what do you think needs to change? And so maybe this maybe tomorrow or by Wednesday we can confirm either location because >> we have the library already reserved and that's which one the >> that is the uh Meadows library. It is behind the the Safeway plaza at um Foothills and Baseline.

[122:01] >> So it's over near the East Border or the >> Yeah. Just here >> down downtown. So maybe I'll um >> get to each side and then we'll plan on that. And so if you all can put April 2nd, it'll be in the evening. >> I mean if it's that was the only library spot that wasn't available. So you could also look at other days. >> Solidad has enough space then we could actually have it have a little more planning time. >> Yeah. >> But I'll I'll look at the space. >> Maybe not the light before. So, so just a kind of a of a a presentation. It could be like a speakers bureau type thing where okay maybe I want to have one in North Boulder someplace and I would be able to take this presentation and it would already be pre-approved by the city and all that stuff and be able to just invite all my neighbors over to

[123:01] >> Yeah. The the two main points of it is we have to talk about what the panel is. I file a complaint and then you can just open it up. >> I was just thinking if there's, you know, flyers that you're going to print up or if there's a PowerPoint presentation, >> I don't know if we have a PowerPoint presentation. We could easily make one up, but we do have flyers and we have a little uh we have a flag or something, right, that we put out. >> Yeah. So, so yeah. So we can set it up as a coach speaker >> community engagement process and and just like if you have a community group 00 in the afternoon you can get people there then you're welcome to do that and just those two criteria around describing who the panel is what we do and how to file a complaint and then just open it up to unit. >> Yeah. Just as a as an aside, you know, the chief has been making these sort of regional visits around around town and

[124:00] he's doing one in North Boulder in October and I volunteered at our community room at our HOA. Okay. >> And so what if we kind of went to those or partnered up with the with the chief and maybe two of us would show up to each of those presentations with his >> support. Yes, of course. >> We could put that on one of our questions for when we have our next meeting >> or just barge general. >> I'm sure you would welcome. >> We just don't want to surprise him. >> Okay. So, any ideas that y'all have about community engagement? Just reach out to me. >> I heard JD say he has an idea already. Did I hear that correctly? >> Awesome. >> Okay. >> Looking forward to hearing about that at the community meeting. >> Yep. Amazing. That's great. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Hey, do you want to share with you today? I'll put you on the slide, but >> um just two well one community concern that I've noticed um just talking to

[125:01] families of students is um what will the relationship be between ICE and the city of the police in Boulder? Um and and what that relationship would look like. So potentially um allowing questions for if violations are seen, how can Spanish speaking communities um still have access to to the resources that we can provide? >> Thank you. >> All right. IPM report. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. March 2026 uh Boulder Police

[126:01] Oversight Meeting Independent Police Monitor Report. Looking at our case review data for February of 2026, um the there was one full case file reviewed by the panel. um zero case files are pending BPD disposition and we have five files that are awaiting um panel uh police oversight panel review. Three of those are are ready and I am going to stress please get please be responsive to your emails and text messages trying to schedule these cases. I believe these were reported on last month. So um we have to get those cases scheduled. Um looking at uh the cases completed by

[127:01] clo finalized by BPD um since February 1st, 2026. I would like to report that um two serious misconduct cases were completed in February, but I reported on them last last month. So MI2025-055 complainant called dissatisfied with a telephone conversation she had with uh with an officer when she tried to file a theft report. A BPD supervisor reassigned the incident to another officer and learned that officer one had not activated his bodywn camera to capture the initial conversation with complainant. The allegation against officer one is a rule one compliance with values rules or general orders. This is general order 240 incar cameras bodywn cameras and personal recording devices did not activate body warn camera in accordance with general order 240-2. The panel reviewed the case recommended

[128:00] the allegation be sustained with verbal counseling for the officer and the department agreed. Um there is a 2024 case that is open with B2B. It is in their chain of command. Um looking at the statistics for the month of February monitor classified nine complaints. One was a misconduct. There were zero serious misconducts. One community inquiry. Two community feedbacks. Five unspeci unspecified incidents. Zero cases were referred for conflict facilitation process. I did not observe any interviews this month or respond to a critical incident scene. Uh I did not deem any case and it could be post basis. Um looking at the open docket as of March 3rd of this year there were 35 cases. 14 of those are classified. zero

[129:03] were pending my classification and 21 cases are in PSU preliminary investigation status and some of the uh additional activities outreach that I was engaged with I attended several Boulder Black History Month events winter bike to work day uh was engaged in police oversight 5-year review conversations supported the advisory committee um with the uh panel recommendation process for new panel members um attended the Rocky Mountain equality, safety, and pride maison meeting. Uh attended a training on the art and science of asking questions. Um and the 10th district public safety and criminal justice reform advisory committee and engaged with BBSD and Apex. That is all for today.

[130:00] Great. Questions, comments? Okay. Um, next up, we have the opportunity, the option to go into close session for new family members. This is when we can discuss if needed questions or discussion about confidential case summaries. Um, we move to go into close session if anyone would like and it can be up for 20 up to 20 minutes. Would anyone would anyone like to move to go into close session today? >> So there are no cases for us to vote on. >> No cases for us to >> but we have a number. Yeah. >> I don't see the purpose. >> Okay. No motion. >> No motion. >> I will state yes. Brought up a really good point. We again don't have any complaints to review or vote on. Um that makes about I think two

[131:01] total cases we voted on in the four months since this policy went into effect. um which seems like it's >> troublesome >> troublesome >> to say that because I would add to that to say I don't know why we're not seeing yeah >> cases because when I read what was in there I thought >> this isn't anything for us and so I think that's the deeper discussion with the chief and maybe even the police chief >> because there's something happening here that I don't think we're seeing them. >> I think it's difficult for us to fulfill our role for the community to provide accountability if we are not doing case reviews. So um I also I'm sorry if I can d you know that we and we can go back to all these um reports but we see the less and less

[132:02] cases for us to vote or review on and more and more community inquirers and uh all the other things that we're not allowed to review and that comes uh I think from the classification of um of the the complaints. So I I I think this is is is concerning and we're we're becoming exactly what we talk about in September, October, November, December, January, we're becoming irrelevant and when we do decide, we are subject to code of conduct complaints. So, I don't know. Should we go home? >> No, we're just going to push the issue, >> you know. >> Yes. >> Well, we're not going home. But >> on that note, our last two items, uh,

[133:01] case assignment status and one case to reassign. >> Um, yeah. Um, there is a conflict. So, we need at least one panel member to um join MI2025-05. And current panel members already assigned are um Kristen and Turner. And it is a it is a case review material that is higher than higher than the average case. So I would say probably four to five hours of changing your hand. >> No, I was still asking. >> Okay. New new panel members. There's there's also a provision in the bylaw that new panel members need to their first case review they need to shadow. So >> I already

[134:00] got a volunteer bill. Okay. Do you need one more? Um I mean if she's willing to take on like one or two new panel members as shadow or he or somebody >> can can they shadow without training? >> Well training when is the case review >> I would need training happens >> April 4th and 10th >> April 4th and 10th. So that's almost a month out. So that would be delaying the review. >> Yeah. I attract the individual. >> Yeah. And my understanding is that training and shadowing and then >> so will you send me a case tomorrow. Sorry. >> Okay. >> So no shadow then go. >> Yeah. So if you could send me the case tomorrow then I can look it. >> Okay. Any last comments items?

[135:04] If not, we have entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> Oh, yes. >> All in favor. >> We we do work really hard to get out on time, but usual because we wanted to give you all some time. >> Excellent. All right, we are >> hopefully you'll come back next month. more toppings. not guest.