June 9, 2025 — Police Oversight Panel Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:04] All right, welcome everybody. We will official call officially call this meeting to order. I'm Lizzie Friend. I'm one of our Boulder Police Oversight panel co-chairs. Um, welcome. We'll start by reading our land acknowledgement. Uh we acknowledge the Arapjo Ute and Cheyenne tribes, the traditional custodians on of the land on which the police oversight panel and Boulder Police Department operate and pay our respects to their elders past and present. Um we also just wanted to kick off this meeting with another acknowledgement today. Um mentioning that this was a really difficult week for Boulder and for many members of our community. um a really awful thing happened and many people in our community are suffering. Um so we just want to acknowledge that we stand with all the

[1:00] members of our Boulder community and we are thinking about all of you. All right, with that um I want to welcome everyone to the meeting. All of our panel members, our city staff uh and any members of the public who are with us today. Thank you for joining us. Um, just we'll start off with a polite reminder of our expectations. We're hoping everyone can be on camera through the majority of the meeting, especially when we are voting. Um, also just a few quick notes for our members of the public. Uh, we can answer quick questions in the Q&A in the chat. So, please make use of that if you have quick questions. Uh if you have bigger questions or comments, we'd love to hear them. Um there will be a public comment at around the halfway point of the meeting. Um so stay tuned for that. Um if you'd like to submit a complaint to

[2:02] the police oversight panel or for the Boulder Police Department in general, you can do that any time on our website. Um that's bouldercol.govservices gov/services police oversight. Um, you can also email us anytime about complaints or for any other reason, we'd love to hear from you. Our email is police oversight panel at bouldercol.gov. Uh, and as a final reminder, this meeting and all of our meetings are recorded and available on our website, so you can watch this at any time or see any of our previous meetings there. All right, with that we will start our roll call. Selena, I'll hand it over to you for roll call. Thank you. Okay, go ahead, Sherry. Um Kristen

[3:01] looks like absent. Jason, I am present. Donnie Pier's absent. Curtis here. Chico here. Bill present. Alan here. AB here. Solidad here. Milen here. And Lizzy present. All right. Um, with that, I will start by giving us a quick preview of the agenda. Uh, oh, looks like I don't have screen share, so I'll just quickly read through it. We will start out with um some approvals. We will then go into an update from our community outreach and engagement team. We'll talk a little bit about the ordinance and some language in

[4:01] there. Uh we'll have our independent police monitor report from Sherry. Then we'll have some panel updates and ad hoc items. We'll talk about our workshop that we held a few weeks back. Um and talk about our upcoming Q2 meeting with the chief which will be happening on June 30th. Um then we'll go to public comment. Hopefully that'll be sometime 30ish. Uh we'll go into close session if necessary for up to 20 minutes and then we'll go into our regular business of case reviewing um case review voting and case assignment status before adjourning 30. All right. Uh so do we have approval of the agenda? Do we have a motion? I'll make a motion to approve the agenda. Great. Thanks Alan. Uh I can second. All right. All in favor of approving the agenda?

[5:02] Great. Anyone against? All right. All right. With that, we'll go to our minutes from last meeting. Hopefully, everyone had a chance to review um any changes to the minutes. Otherwise, do we have a motion to approve? I'll make a motion to approve the the minutes from May. Thanks, Alan. Do we have a second? All right. Second from Jason. All in favor of approving the minutes. All right. Minutes from last month are approved. With that, we will go to our community outreach and engagement committee chair, Bill. Okay. So, um I had to reschedule our meeting because of work stuff. So, we're meeting on Thursday. So, um unless other

[6:02] folks have something they want to contribute today. I don't know if Milan or Curtis have anything. I've just been working with the um connectors group and we think that we're going to try to figure out a date in August for them to come together with us to actually um talk about how we can collaborate with them and I think Edgar is uh has sent some of the activities that they're doing and so we'll have a pretty good idea of how to work with them throughout the rest of the year. So, I think that's the main thing that I've been working on and glad to see that we're finally close to having a date for us all to work together and meet. So, um that's mainly what I've been working on. Milan or Curtis, anything you want to bring up? I know we're not meeting till Thursday, so we had last general panel meeting we had a meeting. So, if you could report on

[7:01] that, I would appreciate it. the um community meeting. Yes. So, you you mean the meeting where we decided we weren't going to do the Junth event? That one. Okay. So, we had talked about the Junth event um and found through the city attorney's office and Sherry working uh with with them to that that that was outside of our scope to host an event like that. Um that what was mostly in our purview was being able to to piggyback on other events and set up tables and things like that. and so it couldn't be hosted by the panel. And then um Curtis brought up that there was something that Nuropa was um thinking of putting on that had to do with the

[8:00] police panel and policing and that the last I saw and Sher you can correct me or Chris that that's something that we could participate in as long as we weren't hosting it. we could we could engage with that and and talk with Nuropa through Curtis about how to engage with that so it didn't land outside the scope of what it says in the ordinance. Is that correct? Yeah, that's correct. And is is our community is our next meeting on Wednesday or Thursday? It's on one of those days. It's it's it's on my calendar as Wednesday. It's tomorrow. It's Wednesday. Yeah, I have too many evening meetings this week. Sorry. Just wanted to make sure we're on the same page. We're meeting on Wednesday. And so that's where um that stood. So we're not hosting a Junth event, but Curtis, I think as you move forward with Nuropa, there's an opportunity for us to

[9:02] um talk with you through talk to you through them, vice versa to find out the best way for us to engage. Is that something that still is happening or that that's being talked about? Um, yeah. No, I I don't think um I will be interested in filming or or or in screening the film uh with Nuropa in the fall. Um we're going to be screening it with B Surge um on you know Junth weekend. So I feel that that is enough. Uh, and yeah, if there's other community engagement items that come up in the future, then we uh we move we move with those. Okay, great. Can you share more um like the date and the time? Yeah, it's going to be June 22nd at 2 00 p.m. at the um First United Methodist Church.

[10:02] Yeah. Two to five. Two to five. Anything else anybody wants to add or has an idea of something that we could be involved in moving forward? I know we're getting into the summer months when lots of people are not doing events and vacationing. I was talking with some other city staff and apparently the city of Boulder has um a table at Pridefest. Um so that's something to think about for the next year I think. Okay. If panel members are interested. Great. Thanks Sher. Anything else from any of the panel members?

[11:06] Okay, Lizzie, I think I've taken my 10 minutes. I think so. Dad's hand. Oh, sorry. So, that I didn't see your hand up there. Thank you. Um, yeah, just want to um address the the what I heard here and and I think there there was an email shared at some point. Um I'm interested in in clarifying the scope of activities of the panel. Uh don't necessarily agree as as most of you know because I sent an email uh with uh such a strict and small uh interpretation of the scope of the panel and community engagement activities. So again, um if this is something Chris uh that we can talk about, I I welcome the opportunity to discuss it. But I don't think that uh

[12:00] this is the approach that was intended with the ordinance or the bylaws that um to have such a restrictive interpretation uh of the u ordinance um in terms of the community engagement activities that the panel can do. So, uh just want to kind of voice that because uh it it really doesn't align with with uh the you know the the intention of of the panel in my opinion. So, uh welcome the opportunity to chat more. I don't want to take over this but uh just want to say this and and I get to briefly address those concerns. Thank you so much. And hello everyone. I've met some of you but I'm Chris Reynolds. I'm with the Boulder City Attorney's Office. I'm now the panel's attorney. Um, and I'm happy to be here. I was uh on the original uh body in 2019 that set up police civilian

[13:02] police oversight of the Boulder Police Department. Um, and I really valued that time. So, I'm very happy to be here and uh thank you for the question. Uh there there is no uh prohibition on uh the panel hosting um a movie for a commu community engagement um session event. Um and I and I hope I did not communicate that through anyone. Um we just have we would just have to do it in accordance with the the ordinance which is very specific. 2119 subsection H basically outlines two different ways that um the panel can um conduct community engagement. And the first um subsection talks about um when I read it uh and other attorneys in our office read that um that's really about like something uh close in time, some sort of event occurs and then the panel would host a community event about that specific instance. And so when talking

[14:01] about the movie, I think it would really fall under the second one where it would be in collaboration with the monitor. Um it could, you know, host a movie event or something like that, but it would also have to um there'd have to be a little bit more community engagement. It couldn't just be a movie showing. It'd have to um talk about, you know, the process for filing complaints and commendations about police employees. It'd have to be more than just about um the movie, at least in our interpretation of this um ordinance. and and thank you Milan. Go ahead. So um the plan was not to just have a movie but to have a conversation about policing around that movie and about the panel presenting the panel and what we do and how people can file complaints. We would have had conversation with the directors of the movie interviewed by a member of the community that we felt was um perfect to hold the conversation and

[15:02] so I can you explain to me how that event um wouldn't work according to the ordinance. Um, it sounds like that that event is kind of getting uh uh pretty close to the um the ordinance. And I'm not saying that you can't do it. I'm just saying that it would have to be done in accordance with the ordinance. So So what would we need to do in order for it to be in accordance? We're not going to do it with the panel. Obviously, it's been um I don't know. I don't have a word for it, but um but it what would we what did we need to do for it in addition to what I just explained? What would have been necessary to be in accordance with the ordinance that was not in accordance with the ordinance? Is

[16:01] that clear? Uh yes. So, as long as the the panel is working with the um independent police monitor um to to plan a community engagement event um that includes uh you know the process for filing complaints and accommodations about uh police employees um then you know I think I think an event like that is possible. Okay. Thank you so much because I think we were working with the independent police monitor and we were uh following everything that's in in accordance to the uh ordinance and the bylaws. So uh I appreciate your explanation. Certainly Chico. So So Chris, tell me something here. So it sounds like the way you're explaining it. If we come up with a program of what we want to do, we it has to be vetted by the

[17:01] monitor. Is that or am I misinterpreting? If the community engagement event is under 2119H2, which it sounds like that is the most appropriate portion of the ordinance for an event like this because the the other community engagement portion of the ordinance is kind of temporally bound to a specific incident that might happen. Um then yes it says in collaboration with the monitor the panel may conduct education and outreach activities to inform the community. So yes so you do you would have to work with the monitor in collaboration. So the key the key word is is collaboration and not vetting. Yeah. Yes. Collaboration. Okay. Fine. Actually can you define collaboration and who decides if an event happens or not? collaboration would be working together towards a common goal. And so I think if

[18:01] the people who are working together want an event to happen and um you know we all believe that it's in the you know the spirit of the the work and it's in accordance to with the ordinance then it can completely happen. And if not, is it like a vote or is it? So, uh, the actions of the panel have to be decided by a majority. So, yeah, it would be a a um, you know, a majority vote would decide. Thank you so much. You're welcome, Curtis. Yeah, I think um where some of the confusion is coming from as far as collaboration is concerned is that there was communication with Bill and Sherry uh of this event from the beginning. Um as far as like what were the next steps that

[19:00] needed to be done and working in this together, we even had meetings. So that part of the ordinance was followed thoroughly and then at some point in time a decision came um who I believe was the city manager had told us that we weren't in alignment with the ordinance and that's how come the event wasn't able to be done. But now you're saying that we that if we shape it within the ordinance and do the collaboration that we had been doing then we are in alignment with the ordinance. So I think what Milen is trying to ask is who's able to make the decision that an event isn't going to happen um if we're in if we're in alignment with the ordinance. Is that fair?

[20:02] So, um it depends on where the event is. So, like the the host of the event would have to approve it. Um and then, uh so there's, you know, different check boxes that would need to be checked. Um, but there's no blanket prohibition on, you know, incorporating a a, you know, a movie showing as part of the community engagement. Um, and it's something we can continue, you know, obviously to look at. I'm not saying I've never said that it can't happen. Um, just that, you know, it would just have to be in accordance with the with the ordinance. So, I'm going to ask the question straightforward. Can the police monitor, the independent police monitor decide that an event organized by the community engagement um committee uh won't happen if even if that the process

[21:04] followed um is in accordance with the by the ordinance. I mean, every situation is going to be dependent on the facts. Um, but uh, you know, the the ordinance doesn't rest uh the authority with the entire entirety of community engagement with the independent police monitor. It contemplates a collaboration. Some lower my hand. Couldn't mute myself. I'm I'm having so much trouble with what I'm hearing. Uh I I don't think the ordinance if if we read read you know the the the articles that you mentioned uh I don't think the intention

[22:01] uh is is for for this to happen. I also think that the word collaboration goes uh go both ways is collaborating the panel the community engagement committee with the monitoring and the other way around the monitor collaborating with panel members and the community engagement committee to make an event happen. Also uh there was a time um a appropriateness of the time for this event to happen which was uh around Junth and it was an event that was meant uh as uh an event around surrounding that that that day of celebration or not celebration Junth right and for a very specific community. So I'm I'm having so much trouble. I don't think that the ordinance in any part said that we will have to see we will have to approve you we have to talk about it like that

[23:01] that's not contemplated in the ordinance uh if that I mean hearing you Chris is really concerning to me that we're we're looking at that so if we don't have a process for approval of events it's not in the bylaws it's not in the ordinance so when you said we will have to see who is we and and I'm having like a a lot of difficulty um with the interpretation that you're you're giving uh to the ordinance right now. Uh this was not the intention is not the intention of the panel. The panel is mandated to engage with community and provide information and a movie screening, a gathering, a food, a table, a farmers market table, whatever is a mean uh is a way of the panel to engage with community. So, um, you know, I I really look forward and again, we don't have to talk about it and solve it right now, but I I really

[24:00] look forward to having like a thorough conversation about what I'm hearing. Um, this is not a we have to see if an event is approvable. That is not where uh in the ordinance and it's not the intention of the ordinance and it's not the intention of the bylaws. And I understand that you were part of the first group. I was part of the drafting of the ordinance and I also was part of the drafting of the bylaws. This was never the intention and it also was never the intention of a city council to approve something like this. Um so so if we can please find time to go over this, I would really appreciate it. Chris, is it possible for you to come to a meeting on Wednesday? Yes. Further discuss this 30 to 6:30? Yeah. because I know we have an agenda to get through. So, I want to let Kristen have the last comment and then if you could join us, Chris, that would be great. Um, and we can go a little bit deeper into this.

[25:00] So, um, Kristen, we'll let you have the last comment, then we'll get back to our agenda. No, thank you. Yeah, I heard Chris um, thank you, you know, for your explanation. I heard that in your explanation, I heard you say that as long as the boxes are checked, um, that an event would be possible. And I think I'm just kind of echo e echoing or restating a concern. And so um is what are those precise boxes and who checks them and how do people confirm that they're checked? Because from what um Curtis and Bill and Milan have said, they were checking all the boxes that they knew of and then new boxes appeared um in the process. So, is there a way to kind of um it seems as what Solead is saying that those boxes have not been codified or that they're imaginary and they just um kind of appeared or they appeared with someone's interpretation of the ordinance. And so, it'd be great for clarity there. Yeah. And maybe you could gather some

[26:00] more information for us and if you can make it on Wednesday, that would be great. So, um gonna turn it back over. Sherry, can you coordinate with Chris about um his availability or send share our invite to see if that's possible? I'm looking at my calendar right now on Wednesday evening is not not looking good. Um but I'm happy to assist and you know I do I think this an event like this would be great. So, well, I think you have all all of our questions and maybe you could just maybe put something together for us and we could figure out another time to get you on. So, I'm going to move back to Lizzie so that we can carry on with our agenda. And if y'all have follow-up questions, just shoot me emails or put an email in in to everybody and then we can make sure that Chris has all the questions that we need to get answered. All right. Thank you, Bill. And thanks everyone. Really appreciate this discussion and thanks for being here Chris and looking forward to discussing

[27:01] this further. All right. Um with that we will go next to Sherry for our independent police monitor report. Is my screen sharing? I You all got real small and so did the screen. Got it. Okay. Okay. The June 2025 Boulder Police Oversight Panel Independent Police Monitors report. Um looking at uh case file review data for May 2025, there were zero case file uh reviews completed in May. Um there are currently 12 cases awaiting panel

[28:00] review um including one which is scheduled for tomorrow. Everyone who's on MI2024-083, consider yourself reminded. Looking at the cases that have been completed since the beginning of May 2025, we have MI 2025-006. BPD and surrounding law enforcement agencies responded to a SWAT incident that lasted several hours. A Reddit poster shared real-time updates that included confidential information reportedly learned from the poster's girlfriend at BPD. An internal investigation identified officer number one. Officer number one uh had a rule 10 which is security of police information allegation released confidential law enforcement information without authorization on one or more occasions. Um, I recommended that that allegation be sustained and uh with the u

[29:02] uh discipline recommendation of five-year letter of recommend re reprimand and the department agreed with that. MI2025-010 officers one and two responded to a call of assault just occurred between neighbors. They interviewed the 911 caller who was the victim first and then spoke with the complainant. A video taken by the victim captured complainant admitting to pushing victim. Complainant admitted to the officers that he pursued victim into street and pushed the victim. Officers issued the complainant a summons for physical harassment. The allegations uh against officer one was rule one compliance with values rules and general orders. customer service value did not conduct an impartial and/or thorough investigation. I recommended that this allegation be unfounded in accordance with general order 120 and the department agreed. And another rule one

[30:02] allegation did not sufficiently document an incident. I recommended that that allegation be unfounded and the department also agreed. MI2025-012 BPD members including Sergeant 1 responded to a call of stalking at a school. The victim worked at the school and noticed complainant repeatedly walking around the school. Complainant had recently left a note on victim's car at her home requesting to spend the night with victim. In response to the note, the victim's brother contacted complainant and told him to leave victim alone. When BPD arrived 15 minutes after the 911 call, complainant was still walking around the school. Complainant informed BPD that neither him walking around the school nor leaving a note on a car was illegal. Complainant was given a verbal warning to not contact the victim. The allegation against Sergeant 1 is a rule for respect for others was

[31:00] hostile and/or aggressive to complainant. I recommended that this allegation be unfounded in accordance with general order 120 and the department agreed and a rule five allegation uh police authority and public trust improperly stopped and/or detained and/or questioned complainant. I recommended that this allegation also be unfounded in accordance with general order 120 and the department agreed. MI2025-013. Officers responded to a 911 call. The complainant was harassing customers on the hill, including flipping everybody off. When officers arrived, a woman approached them and shared the complainant was making her uncomfortable and had previously followed her when her shift ended. When confronted by officers, complainant denied wrongdoing and admitted to flipping off only one person. Officer 1 informed complainant that he was harassing people. During this conversation, officer 1 turned his

[32:00] attention away from complainant. When officer 1 refocused, a complainant's hand was in close proximity to officer 1's face. Officer 1 grabbed complainant's wrist and pushed complainant away from him. Both PSU and the monitor identified tactical concerns, including officer one allowing complainant's close proximity, followed by officer one turning his attention away from complainant. Officer 1 received coaching from a BPD sergeant. Uh the allegation was a rule six use of force push complainant. I recommended that this allegation be exonerated and the department agreed. MI2025-014 complainant reported numerous complaints beginning in 2015. Almost none of these complaints involved BPD, but instead other law enforcement, court, or medical entities. A recent incident involved officer 1 investigating an allegation the complainant violated an order of protection by texting his ex-girlfriend's father about beginning a

[33:01] fresh start on her birthday. Officer 1 went to complainant's home and tried to speak with him. Complainant refused, so officer 1 left and attempted to call complainant later that evening. Uh, the ex-girlfriend offered that complainant has a vendetta against police. The allegation against officer one is rule five, public authority and public police authority and public trust attempted to arrest complainant without a warrant and/or harassed complainant. I recommended that this allegation be unfounded and the department agreed. MI2025-015 officer 1 engaged with complainant regarding her concern that her employee stole money from her by getting paid directly by a client. Initially complainant did not want to press criminal charges but only wanted the money returned. Employee agreed to pay back the money within a week. After employee left bad reviews for complainant's business, complainant

[34:00] wanted BPD to charge employee criminally. Officer one told complainant that employee would have a week to pay back the money before he would consider criminal charges. This matter initially was classified as a conflict facilitation process which is our term for mediation and complainant agreed to participate. However, complainant did not follow through with scheduling the mediation. The allegation against officer one rule one compliance with values rules and general orders customer service value failed to provide sufficient customer service. I recommended that this uh matter be administratively closed and the department agreed. MI2025-016 complainant was arrested following a domestic incident where she was recklessly pursuing her ex-husband and son through boulder. Inside her vehicle were multiple animals, included a including a bearded dragon. Animal protection officer APO1 was able to find care for all of the animals. The bearded

[35:00] dragon was temporarily homeed with the Humane Society of Boulder County. Over the next several weeks, APO1 and additional BPD members provided complainant with the process to regain the bearded dragon. APO1 even requested an extension on complainant's behalf. complainant never initiated this process and the bearded dragon was rehomed. Um, sergeant one received a rule one allegation general order 101 unbiased policing discriminated against complainant because she is a woman. Um the allegation uh against Sergeant One was unfounded in accordance with general order 120 based on my recommendation and the department agreed. Um and he also received an allegation that he improperly stopped and or detained and or questioned complainant. Um and that allegation was unfounded uh based on my recommendation and the

[36:00] departments agreed with that. Looking at the case statistics um for May 2025 uh I classified seven complaints. Three of those were misconduct. Um one or four were community feedbacks. I observed and participated in six interviews. There were zero critical incident scene responses. I deemed thorough and complete two cases and BPD closed seven cases this month. Um, as of June 5th, there were 36 cases that uh are open. 23 of those are classified. Two were pending the monitor's classification and 11 were in PSU's prelimin preliminary investigation stage. Providing you an update on the cases that were classified in 2024 which

[37:00] remain open. There are seven of those. Um, so SM2024-00003, the statement SC scheduled. MI2024-065 that should be being prepared for panel review. MI2024-076 is in chain of command review. MI2024-078 chain of command review. Um MI2024-082 uh those statements have been rescheduled. Um MI2024-083 this case the panel is reviewing tomorrow. MI24-0884 uh that case is also in chain of command review. Um, some of the events that I uh attended in May included um a Rocky Mountain equality and law

[38:00] enforcement liaison meeting. I attended a history of Boulder human rights cultural organization summit, uh, Juni Joseph and Senator Amables town hall, uh, public safety and criminal justice reform advisory committee for Juni Joseph and Modus youth behind and beyond bars where I also uh, had uh, oversight literature available for the guests of that program. Are there any questions? Yes, Chica. So, um, so I I look at the last part where you did some community engagement there and I'm wondering whether because we've been talking about collaboration, right, between this body and your office. So I'm wondering whether we can

[39:00] we need to do more to collaborate to see whether we can be part of whatever you're doing. I mean you can always ask and I can share some of the events that I'm planning to go to. As you saw, I sent out um or maybe you didn't see, but in the email that I sent out last week, I shared some of the community events that are coming up for um Pride Celebration and Junth. Yeah, the point is maybe we need to sync up more or better to have a more coordinated approach. I'm certainly open to that. Yeah. And and Chico, I'm hearing that loud and clear. So that'll be part of our conversation on Wednesday also. Oh, I'm still sharing my screen.

[40:00] Any other questions or final thoughts for Sherry? All right. Thank you, Sherry. Uh, next up we have our kind of special business for the month. Um, starting with the discussion of our workshop priorities. Sher, is that a Sherry topic or a I was hoping that a Bill and Allen topic? So, Bill and Allan, I believe you may have volunteered yourselves to sort of finalize our workshop priorities that we determined at the strategy strategy session a couple weeks back. Um, if you guys are Well, we were uh going to get together and uh work a little bit on that today, but uh didn't happen. And so we're

[41:01] thinking uh we'll be talking a little bit about it later this week. So we might be able to share something um that we come up with, but uh maybe make a presentation later or just have it for your review and understanding consideration. Our work schedules were a bit out of sync and so as hard as we tried, we couldn't find a date that works. But we're actually working to talk tomorrow. Great. I know that struggle well. I'm sure we all do. Apologies for that. All good. Thank you guys for for volunteering and for your work on that. We look forward to hearing more. All right. Um on to our discussion of the Q2 meeting with Chief Redurn. Um, yeah, I just wanted to remind people it's it should be on June 30th on your

[42:01] calendars. That is an in-person meeting. Um, the usually we meet for food uh half an hour before the meeting actually starts. And please provide questions that you have in advance so that BPD has the opportunity to either arrange um the appropriate person to speak or um provide more thorough answers than uh Chief Redern just speaking off the cuff. So that that form is in the um in our SharePoint SharePoint folder. Sherry, what is the deadline for? When would you like us to have those in by? Um, given that the meeting is on a Monday, if we can get it by like Thursday afternoon, that would be great. Okay. So, the 26th. I'm going to trust your your calendar. Mine is not pulled up. Maybe we can put a calendar reminder for folks on there.

[43:01] I certainly could use that. So, I'll work on that. Thoughts, questions, anything else in prep for the chief meeting. All right. Anything else in ad hoc items before we continue? Oh, just for I can't remember if new panel members have attended um one of these or not. is uh generally scheduled at Penfield Tate. Great. All right. Up next is public comment. I think we may have Sorry, I have a question. Yeah, go ahead. Um, maybe this is just for administrative wise, but Sherry, have you considered getting feedback on the strategic workshop? And have you looked into getting

[44:02] feedback from the panel members on the strategic workshop? You mean more than their ability to write on just like how the the actual event went to them specifically and how you can I guess not make it better but just make it a more reflective event for next year. I'm just thinking like have you thought about getting feedback from the panel members regarding on how that went for them? I do not have I did not have an an official um survey or response. Okay. Um certainly I mean it we can either talk about that today if people want to or they can they can certainly email me information um or we can bump that until we get the the presentation from Alan and Bill next

[45:00] week or not next week. Scratch that. Next month. Okay. Thank you. I think that's a great point and a great idea. I know we gave some feedback um the day of on our facilitator um but it would be great to talk more broadly and just you know plan for next time. It was a great event. I'm sure there's always ways we can adjust. Um so if folks are up for it, let's plan for that next month. That sounds good to everybody and I'm not trying to peg you down for that time. Um Bill and Alan, if you're ready by then, we'll we'll do both. If not, we can also discuss feedback next month. All right, with that we will go to public comment. Um, each member of the public will have two minutes to speak if they choose. Um, I believe we have one member of the public with us today. Um,

[46:00] what I will do is we will give you a chance to speak. We'll put a timer up and we will take you off mute and you're able to speak if you would like. Um, Selena, are you able to bring up the timer that you've done in the past? I have not done that before. [Music] Otherwise, I can time separately and give some updates. It's three minutes. Is that correct? Or are you going to go over all the the speaking rules and such? Oh, 3 minutes. You may be right. It's 2 minutes. Two. Okay. Let me know if you see this on your screen. I have it. [Music]

[47:00] All right. Um, is this for me to control, Selena? I'm sorry to be Um, I think it's either one of us. Okay. Um, all right. So, I think we have Anna with us. Um, I don't have the ability to unmute. Selena, can you handle that? Take give Anna the ability to unmute if she'd like to speak. Yeah. I know you have been given the ability to unmute. Um if you would like to comment um just press on the um unmute button. Uh I just kind of came to hang out. But the thing that I was curious about is um who to contact if you're like curious about um how like Boulder is collaborating with ICE and how to prevent like Boulder police from collaborating unnecessarily with ICE and

[48:01] it sounds like this is not the place to do that. But does anybody know where the place to do that is? Thank you. Thank you Anna. We appreciate your comments and appreciate you being here. Does anyone want to address that question? I can address that. Oh, can you hear me? Yeah. Go ahead. So, I'm pretty sure the city still has a ban on any collaboration with ICE and that um falls with the police department as well. So, um we do not collaborate and have not collaborated with ICE. Thank you. Thank you. Go ahead, Curtis. Um, I had a ride along today with officer to um and we spoke about that briefly. I believe if you uh go to the

[49:00] to the Boulder Police Station, they'll tell you their stance on their cooperation with ICE. Um the officer that I spoke with today, Officer Carlos, had mentioned that if there's a um a warrant signed by a judge, um that they have to they have to abide by that. Uh but other than that, then they'll keep their um participation their their particip participation very limited with ICE. Thanks, Curtis. Go ahead, Sil. Um yeah, Anna, thank you so much for your question and your concern. Uh just want to add that if you need updated information, you can contact the um district attorney's office in Boulder. Uh Michael Doerty have been super clear and what his stance is in terms of collaboration with ICE, but I think it's always good to present the question and get and get a clear and direct answer.

[50:00] So really appreciate um you bringing this up. Thank you. All right. Go ahead, Sherry. Um yeah, I would like to share that back in I think February um Chief Rebford and I um presented and he even specifically offered that if people are concerned that ICE is not complying with with rules and regulations if they don't have body warn cameras activated that people are actually welcome to call BPD to be able to like at least record and hopefully be a calming presence. So that seemed to assure several of the the members of that community when he shared that information with them. Thanks, Sher. And is that the the emergency line call 911 or what is the route to contacting people? No, he didn't get into that, but I I would have said 911. Okay,

[51:01] thanks. Go ahead, Milan. I just want to also mention for anybody who listens to us, there's the Colorado Immigration Rights Network that is keeping track of um ICE activities around Boulder County. And so I would recommend that everybody uh go to their website CIRC uh I think it's or I'm not sure, but uh Colorado immigrants right coalition to um get their phone number as well. Um, I think that might be useful. Excellent. All right. Any other comments? Thank you again. Really appreciate you being here. All right. Uh, that concludes our public comment, I don't believe. Just triple checking. All right. Yep. We don't have anyone else with us today. Um, so we

[52:01] will move into I guess typically we would take our break right around now. Do folks want to take a break and then return for potential close session. All right. So we will take five minutes. Let's just call it back at 7:31. We'll see you guys then. All right. See you in a bit. All right, we are back. Uh, next up is, uh, an option to go into close session if we have questions about our cases for review this month or for voting. Um, go ahead, Selad. Uh, no, just Selena, if we can make a quick note that uh, Kristen joined us. Um, so, so her attendance is reflected in the minutes, please. Good point. And Kristen, I think you just missed the very beginning when we

[53:00] did roll call, so we wanted to make sure your attendance got noted. Thanks, Ala. Thank you. All right. Yeah. Um, does anyone want to motion to go into close session? I think we have a light load this month. Believe we have three cases. I will do a motion to um go to a close session. I can second. All right. All in favor of going into close session. Any against? All right. Um we will go into close session for up to 20 minutes, possibly shorter if needed. We'll be back on or 53 for any members of the public. Thanks.

[54:03] camera, please. Okay, so we're back uh from close session and um the next um business will be a case review voting. Um, are you doing roll call sharing there? Okay, cool. And I'll do it slow enough. Okay. And if not, Salana will tell me to slow down. Yeah. Again, uh, for panel members to please be on camera when we vote. Thank you. Okay. Uh, so casemi 202523. Um, so, uh, Shel, if you want to do roll call to vote. Oh, I thought you usually gave the rule. No, rule violation. Oh,

[55:00] do that. Okay. So, uh, it's, uh, rule six, use of force. Rule one, compliance with values, rules, and general orders. Uh, for officer one, for officer two, uh, rule six, use of force, and rule one, compliance with values, rules, and general orders. and um you know, orders 101 and bias unbiased policing. Um yep, ready to go. Okay. Uh Kristen, unmute. Yes. Jason, no. Um Oh, Donniey's not here. Uh, Curtis. Yes, Chico.

[56:00] Yes. Um, build. No. Alan uh muted Alan. No. Um AB. Um Solid. Yes. U Milan. Yes. and Lizzy. Yes. Okay, that looks like a yes. Um, okay. So, next case will be uh MI

[57:01] 20250 24 for officer one rule six use of force. Um, yeah, that's the one allegation. Okay. Um, Kristen, yes. And Jason, yes. And, uh, Curtis. Yes. And Chico. Yes. And Bill. Yes. And Alan. Yes. And AB. AB, you're muted. Yes. I'm so sorry.

[58:01] Soladan, yes. Milan, yes. And Lizzy, yes. Uh okay. So next case MI 2025 is 025. It's um one officer rule four respect for others. Okay. Um Kristen, no. And Jason, no. Um Curtis, no. I'm sorry. Can you repeat that? Can you hear me? Now we can. Okay. Yeah, that was no. Okay. Thank you. Um, Chico, no. Bill, no.

[59:02] Alan, no. and AB. Okay, that looks like a thumbs down. No. Um, Solidad, no. Milan, no. And Lizzy, sorry, I'm reading problems. No, thanks. Okay. Okay. So, it looks like yes for 023 and yes for well obviously yes for 024. Mhm. Oh okay. Do we need to assign the cases then? So, uh volunteers for uh MI 202523

[60:10] Bill Christristen Chico. Okay, cool. um volunteers for MI 20225-024. So melan we need one more Curtis said yes too. Okay, Curtis. Thank you, Curtis. Lizzy. Okay. Uh, you're muted, Sherry.

[61:03] Okay. So, for the first one, 023, Kristen, Chico, and Bill. Yeah. Okay. And then the second um the second one, Curtis, Solidad, Milen, and Lizzy. Is that correct? Did I miss anyone? No, I think we're good. Okay. Okay. Um, so we're early. Uh, anyone else had anything else before we adjourn? We need a motion to adjurnn, please. I'll move to adjourn. Oh, Sterling, do you have something? Do you raise your hand? Yeah, just if you guys want to look at the comment I put in there about where it's at in the Boulder Reise Code dealing with employees asking about immigration status and working with cases involving immigration. That's it. Thank you.

[62:04] I don't see it. I um so Sterling, do you mind repeating that? We don't see your for some reason your your your message in the chat. So if you want to It might have been breakout room and so now it's no longer available for us. Okay, I can see it's okay. It's it's 12-5-2. Thanks, Sterling. Okay. You're welcome. Thank you so much. So, uh, coming back, we had a motion to adjourn. Uh, and it was second. Perfect. So, we're good. Bill and Jason, thank you so much. Uh, and we can adjourn then. Have a great night. Have a good night.

[63:02] Good night everyone. Bye everybody. Bye later night.