April 10, 2024 — Police Oversight Panel Regular Meeting

Transcript

Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:01] In progress. Prince. yeah, yeah. Who's here? Okay, so good. I thank you. Everyone for being here. It's like, we're ready to start our April meeting. Everyone can hear person in the room here. Okay, yeah. And just for panel members. If you're online, you know, to say things out loud for the record, you know, not using the chat feature we have minutes. Also being taken by city staff. Also want to acknowledge the Arapaho youth and shine tribes, the traditional custodians on the land on which Boulder and the Boulder police department operate and pay our respects to their elders, pat and present welcome the public. And and he press to the meeting. not from near ya, and also welcome our panel members for being here.

[1:02] Thanks for setting up, I mean everything. Send me the and just want to acknowledge this week, and anything that may have been challenging especially like your power going out and losing everything in your fridge, or, you know, stuff like. if there's members of the public, please use a. QA. Feature, we will answer some brief questions, but if you have something more substantial. We have the Co. Public comment. Section. Pardon me towards the end of the meeting. If you want to submit complaints or contact the panel outside of this meeting. Our web address is Boulder, Colorado. older colorado.gov slash services, slash police oversight. And our panel email is police, oversight, panel, all. One word at Boulder, Colorado, Gob. And our meetings are available and they are posted to the website.

[2:01] And so we're just gonna start with our agenda and give me a second to bring that up. And so we're gonna start off with an introduction scenario and a conversation with her. Well, thanks, and there's some new faces in the room that I don't know, and so I'm Nuria Rivera, Amanda mine. I'm the city manager. Thanks for having me, and for those new faces welcome and so excited. Right? To have you all be part of the panel. I truly believe that you are integral to the city. I believe, strongly and oversight. I think it's really important. Not that I don't believe in our police and don't have faith in police, but I also believe in accountability. I believe in oversight, and I believe that the panel has a function and a critical function at that. And so I just thank you because you give a lot of your time and energy.

[3:10] and I also will say this, that I know well that you all will be seeing if have been and will see, videos that are hard, right? You you are privy to circumstances that are difficult, and I hope that you take care of yourselves. I hope that you think about that when you're watching and doing case reviews, and that if there's anything that the city can do to continue to support you and your very critical work that you let us know, because I know that it is wearing and that that we all bring trauma to the table. And that that is something that compounds over time. And so please let us know how we can support you in the really critical work that you do. I also know that you're curious, right? We have an interim police chief. And the question that I get more often than not is, what is the timetable? And I just got that today, actually. And so I wrote it down because I wanna make sure that I get it right.

[4:14] I know that you all are like other folks wanting to know what that looks like, and know that we will be involving you in that process. Our recruiters been updating that job description. We are gonna actually prepare a survey to go out. We're gonna send it to critical stakeholders. You all are part of those critical stakeholders. We're also gonna be soliciting input, from other community organizations as well, faith, leaders in our community, critical stakeholders that police interact with across the community. Really soliciting input on candidate desired characteristics. We're gonna hopefully complete that this month and send that out. With that, we're gonna finalize the recruitment brochure and get a recruitment website. Live

[5:02] recruitment website is not something we do for every position. We want to be really transparent about this particular recruitment. It is unlike any other recruitment, right? We want people to know where we are. At every stage of this recruitment it is important as we move it forward, so we hope to get that by the end of the month as well. So you will see progress as we move forward, because it is. I know that people are very interested in what we're doing. With the selection of our next police chief. We're hoping to post the position by early May. Usually a lot of positions are posted for 2 weeks. We will do that for 3 weeks. We wanna make sure that we're because we're doing a national search that we give people opportunity to be able to get their applications together to send that forward. We have an external recruiter. We are not doing that with our internal Hr. Raft. Tell us. is our recruiter who will be doing that for us. They just finish our recruitment with our municipal judge that was announced just last week. I believe. So we will be using that national recruiter to do our that work. So in that process between, when that posting goes out and then those 3 weeks they're gonna be finishing and helping to develop

[6:19] the next stage. That interview process the community meetings. The panel. We will have a series of different panels comprised of different stakeholders. So they're gonna be getting that together. You all will be part of that. So not only will you get the survey. You will also be part of those panels as we move forward as well, a variety of community stakeholders. And then, once those at the end of May we hope to get those candidates in Hr. And our recruiter will start the initial review of candidates just for the minimum calls to make sure that anybody who doesn't meet those are excluded from the get go and by then, hopefully, we will have a better process, and we'll know a little bit more about timeline. I don't know when somebody asked me. I think Annette James from the N. Double acp just asked me, and I sent her similar information because she had emailed me. She asked me when the completion date is, I really won't know that because it takes a while to

[7:18] like get calendars right when we finally select the panels and the different folks that are gonna do that. And to do the community interviews like we've gotta slate. We gotta figure out everybody's calendar right and figure out when people are available. So once we get that we'll know a little bit more, but I expect that we will do that during the summer, and we will hopefully have achieved in place by the summer. So that is what I know. So far, all of that will be on the website, right? So we're excited about it. I I think it's a really good opportunity. we hope to get good candidates as we move forward and see what that looks like. It's also budget time. So I'll put in that out there, I and particularly for your engagement subcommittee. I will say that this is the moment to be thinking about. The kinds of engagements you want to do during the year, so that you can keep that information. To sherry, and she can put in that request. Those departmental requests are due to us.

[8:24] I am forgetting the right time. But sometime in May I think at the end of May, or something like that so make sure that you're thinking about that now. So she can build that into the budget so we can get that request in. I will share with you what I share with everyone is that it is constrained here, miss, sharing cause we don't have a lot of funding but the nice thing about the kind of communication. We this is something that is that is important. We want you to be able to do your function of going out and engaging community. I have a lot more flexibility with one time dollars and so that's always something I can pull from. And so I wouldn't be too concerned about being able to do your engagement activities as we move forward, such as

[9:11] just a little bit, not a wink wink to you all as we move forward, because one time dollars I can always do. But just make sure to do that and make sure to get that in. And, Selena, make sure you keep after that? Yeah, I think I can't remember the exact date. But we'll we'll let you know and just know that. so that's those are the 2 critical elements I've got for you. Now. what do you want to know from me? So does this panel have a permitted budget? Or is it just one time dollars, I will say none of our advisory boards have submitted budget. That's not how the city budgets advisory boards. But we put that into whatever department this panel happens to be, live in Cmo, and so

[10:01] perhaps there's more flexibility when you live in the City managers office and other other panels. But it will come under the line. Item, that is the police monitors budget. And so it comes in there, and we we plan for it accordingly. But we have quite a few boards and commissions in our rubric, and they all sort of line wherever the department liaison is. I don't know. New panel members maybe wanted to give a quick introduction. Also. I'm Lunena. I'm Stephen Franz. I'm a student at Aruba. And yeah. Entering month 2. Oh, nice to put a face to the cause. I got to read your resume. Yeah.

[11:00] and my name is Abigail. I am. I lost him at sea boulder. Oh, so that's to my resume and recovering lawyer myself. So yeah, yeah. I know you read my resume. So I'm not gonna tell you what I do cause you let me know. I do have another question. How extensive will this firm, in terms of candidates look into candidates of color. regardless subject or gender or so. I'd be pretty adept at that. I believe they are, I mean, I I think it's I'll say 2 things, one we've we've used rough tell I've used. I've been here 3 years now, right I've used they were here when I got here. I've used them continued to use them, and I have been pleased about what we have seen there have been some recruitments that I have not been pleased about, and we have sent them out again, because we have not seen diversity in our candidates. And there are times when we have had some diverse candidates and times, and we have not. I mean, that's just

[12:15] a reality, this, you know, sherry with. When we did the Independent police up Monitor. The pool is smaller just because there aren't that many independent police monitors? Right? This is not a profession that is large. We do that. There are other professions that are much larger, but that is something that is important to me as a person as we do that we lean into our racial equity goals. Our recruiter knows that. And in fact. when I first got the job description for the chief, there's a lot of red in my editing of that description, because there was no very little racial equity in that initial description. When I saw it. We have changed that substantially. They are now looking at it as well. That is critical to me and

[13:04] any of my executive positions as we move forward. And so we'll see what what comes from that recruitment, but we but I do think that I have been happy with the results of our engagement so far, even though I know that it is hard in a predominantly white community to attract good talent of color. I I will say it gave me pause myself when I chose to come to Boulder when I looked at the demographics of the city. It was the one thing that that gave me some consideration on whether this would be a community that I would feel comfortable with. So I get it when other people are thinking the same thing and noting that knowing that who's slightly or you know, the chances are that you get VoIP candidates. How do you measure the awareness there? Because we want to at least have eyes and promises in the city. And so and it seems to me that it's always complicated. People have the vocabulary even unnecessarily, the actions behind that. So

[14:20] I mean, I guess we'll get to that when we. When we see some of their accomplishments. We do that with referrals. We'll talk to some of their cities. We'll do some reference check. I hope that some of the partners and I hope that you all are some of those partners will challenge them when you get to some of those questions right? There's a look and feel as you get some of those questions. I'm not the only one that will be asking questions. Some of you will be on those interview panels. Feel as we invite you to do, that. There will be others that do that as we look at what they highlight and choose to highlight and resumes we will. We will have questions that solicit what some experiences and hopefully solicit examples of that. Our recruiter really does some of those

[15:10] calls some of their references and ask them about some of those examples. So we try to be as thorough as we can without obviously being able to be in their mind right, and and be able to get at that. But I hope that you know, when you have a village asking questions amongst us all that we can get to some of the truth behind it. Thank you thank you for your time. Yep, great! I appreciate it. Enjoy the rest of your meeting. So if you like to introduce yourself, and we can talk about the bylaws. Hi! Everyone farah must get in consultant for the city of Boulder. Good to see you all. I'm really, really happy to be back and to work with you. I do have a soft spot for the panel in the City of Boulder, so I am very much happy to be back. And hopefully, you all saw my email, introductory email about the bylaws. And starting that process. But fundamentally

[16:21] you know, the the bylaws as a product of of the panel. It's going to specifically delineate how you conduct your business. So panel participation input feedback is going to be key. Because this is going to be a document that you're going to be living with different from the ordinance, and how we worked on that this is obviously a bit more nimble. So as we work through it and see changes are going to be made. It's going to be much easier to do that than obviously amending the ordinance and so I I prepared a sm, a very short, very short slide deck that. But I can really just jump into the meat and potatoes of it. To just be more efficient with our time, primarily, because I really need feedback from the panel to ascertain kind of the direction that you would like to go with the update of the of the Bylaws.

[17:18] Would it be okay to start that now. Yes. Okay, let me just make sure I can share my screen. While you're doing that, I send everyone the options that Sarah had discussed. So we can see options 1, 2, and 3. That she's asking our feedback. Okay, hold on one second. I'm just. I have it open. But for some reason I'm not seeing it. Selena, would you mind just sharing it for me. Yeah, just give me 1 s here.

[18:08] both of it. Know you got it. Perfect. Thank you. We can go to slide 3. So essentially, the bylaws need to be updated to be, you know, in compliance and consistent with the new ordinance. We also want to ensure. It's consistent with how the panel is operating. And I'm pretty sure there's been some evolution of practices from year one to the present and then this has always been a topic of conversation. There were sections of the ordinance that we're just incomplete that we might want to finalize. And then also we may come across in our conversations that there are sections of the bylaws that we just need to include and draft and put in there. So these are the primary 3 areas that we're going to be looking towards

[19:01] with the with the bylaws. Update the next slide. please. We have so essentially this just briefly, goes into the options that I, discussed in the email that I sent to the panel and essentially given kind of what I know about the panel. I I I imagine we're going to probably come up with a combination of these options. Essentially option. One is, you know, I can do a review and do an update again. You see at the bottom each option obviously will include feedback drafts to the panel feedback review before the panel makes a final vote on it. This is 100, you know, a collaborative process, because this is essentially your document, and what you will be utilizing pretty much at every meeting to conduct your business. The second option is bringing together 2 panel members that would work with me directly that we would work to update the the bylaws. And then, of course, again coming to the the panel with updates and period of review before a final vote.

[20:18] and then the last one. And obviously this is this, this takes into consideration. Our restrictions with, you know, the Open Meetings Act is just having a standing weekly meeting. I imagine more than 2 panel members will be present, so it'll be open to the public where we discuss the changes and go through the process of updating it. And what needs to be what needs to be changed and and and edited, and areas that need to be consistent with the Ord, with the ordinance. I'm open obviously to other other options. But I I wanted to pro provide some perspective and something that the panel can work with. But again, given kind of how I've worked with the panel before, and I know I feel like we will end up with some kind of combination of all 3 options to get to the finish line next slide, please.

[21:19] And so essentially, I just put in some questions that I would like for the panel to consider. If I I don't know if you had these conversations before, but if you had a timeline in mind in which, in in in which you wanted to see the bylaws be completed, or or we can set a goal areas of concern or improvement that you would like to see in the bylaws. And essentially, you know, kind of how you would want to move forward with the update. And if you did want to work through, you know a couple of panel members to do that. you know, either taking volunteers. How would you, you know, who would volunteer to participate so that we can, you know, kind of move forward and get the get the work going. So these answering these questions today would help move the ball forward. But obviously, if the panel needs more time to consider, you know, to consider and talk it through. I mean, I I obviously will understand that. But I I want to be very clear that

[22:19] this is going, this, this needs to be collaborative and that we need to work together. Because this is fundamentally your document. I think this is the last slide. Selena. Yeah. It was her. Okay. Thank you. There I have a quick question. Sure. in terms of timeline. What do you have like a bracket of the time it would take like? Could you give us some guidance as to you.

[23:01] what you've seen before, for Bylaws. So really depends on the level of participation, and how you know the how. So, for example, in the 3 options that I gave you like. If I do the review, it would probably be kind of like a month turnaround month or 2, you know. Turnaround I think that if you're looking at kind of option. 2 with working with 2 to panel members that could be probably closer to a 2 month tournament turnaround. I think, when you're opening up and working more with community that just takes, you know, more time. But I think for comparison purposes, this is a similar process to how we updated the ordinance. And I wanna say. we worked through the summer months with the ordinance. So I think we worked through all of June, July and August, because I do remember that the work group was pretty adamant, that we were going to be done by the end of August. Cause. I'm I'm almost positive we didn't meet like the the Labor Day we met weekly for 2 h pretty much throughout the summer.

[24:08] And so that but there's flexibility, obviously. in working with the bylaws, because the circumstances with the ordinances different for an assortment of reasons. So if the panel wanted to take a little bit more time. We have more. You know what I mean. We have more time to do that. If the panel wanted to do kind of more of a phase approach where we take sections, and the panel can, you know, approve it as we come up with the appropriate language. You could do that, or the panel may say, You know what? No, we want a full final product. Take, however, to how much time you need, and bring us, you know, a final draft. Then, you know, we can do that, too. So it really. it really depends on how you want to form it. And the participation is really kind of what the the the timeline would would factor in and be, you know, a huge consideration for.

[25:09] Kind of curious. You know what else, what everybody thinks that maybe that's taking too much time. But I a wheel spare. Oh, no, there she is. Can we start with? This might be a pairing question, but are there any like, what is our urgency, if at all? Are we like in a situation right now, where there's such a big mismatch that there are legal or ethical or procedural concerns that we need to be like trying to take care of immediately, or do we have some time to sort of relax and and handle this at whatever speed we'd like. I think you have some time. It seems like you're getting through your agendas, and you're you're making things work a a as you go along so it it doesn't seem like you are in grave need, and there's no legal requirement for the bylaw. So you're not in any sort of jeopardy by not having them right now. And obviously I think it would make it easier for all of you to have them.

[26:11] so so I would. you know, consider it a priority? But I think you can take the time to do it well, and we're very fortunate to have Farah's assistance. That alone, I think, will help expedite it. Thank you. And then I think the other question for me that comes up. It feels like the main kind of criteria will be. How many people want to be involved and want to put time into reviewing. I feel like that number may be all of us, and it may be none of us, or maybe 2, and I think that maybe gives us our answer. So I'd be curious to hear kind of a threshold I know for me. I'm happy to. I'm happy to dig into like click

[27:02] doing procedure. And like. I've already started thinking about like, okay, we initially with the minutes last time. So like, how are we gonna make sure like minutes get approved on time that should be in the bylaw. So I'm here to help them. Awesome. I'm not about. It's not my area of expertise. I think it's a it's pretty critical that we within 5 miles for by balls, and it's kind of like terminal destination without a map. Of course, wanna be clear. And we wanna be able to operate consistently as a group, as a body. all all headed in the same direction. So yeah, well, I don't think we have to crunch, crunch, rush, rush, but I think it should be a priority. We should set a timeline.

[28:00] otherwise it can linger forever south, to be. If I could jump in here. 1 one recipe that I felt like worked so well, particularly in the work group is having a newer member and someone who had already been on the panel and for our work group that was obviously Hadassa, who had been, you know, from the beginning. And then Solo, Dad, who was, you know, very new. So that's kind of the route that you wanna take? I think that's super helpful because definitely, Hadasa helped with kind of the historical context of really kind of explaining to the Us. To things that weren't working, you know, with the panel, and then, obviously solid, brought in a completely new lens of what it what it means, you know, when you're kind of outside the the oversight bubble and implications, and how to make it clear. So I I would recommend that recipe again, if at all possible. For to Marilyn's point I have recommended that the bylaws be a standing item on the agenda.

[29:03] so that at a very minimum you're getting a monthly update of where we add, I think, that helps provide some level of accountability. That we're not, you know, in eternity. And and I mean those of you who know me. I am very much a task, master, so I don't necessarily want to work on this forever. And so I can assure you that we will have an end date and something for the panel to vote on. The difference is, you know, do you want something next month, or do you wanna do you know. Can we do something in 90 days, 120 days? You know what I mean? That's like, really what what we're talking about. Yeah. If I can add something, I think for me, the urgency lies in that. The petition and the intention of the new ordinance doesn't match what we have, and the way that the bios are written. and I think that we need to align them as soon as possible, because I can see how

[30:04] I mean, we changed the ordinance because it was very much needed, and and we need to catch up with the the processes to embrace the ordinance that we we created last year. And I mean we as a as a body. Okay, I'm happy to be involved in the violence. That's my my jump to and also, I think, is is healthy to to think about. I think 90 days is reasonable. So to give us time to. If whatever system where we choose today doesn't work, we can change course. And at that and even it, it would change certain methods or or processes for the bylaws. We're still on time. And I agree. I I mean what I love to do this. I don't think I would love to do this for more than that. So I mean, I don't know. That's

[31:06] my my 2 cents on that. So you're here. You're here. I would just also say, for anyone thinking of doing this just to be able to balance your time with 5 case reviews. We have to sign, and we have 9 cases tonight that could add to that plate we have retreat coming up. We also have a in person training at the police station. So just make sure that, you know, if you're committing or thinking this just being able to balance out all those commitments as well. I would. I would like to add that I think that the case reviews are gonna actually, we're are going to start coming back online. after the sort of leg because of the moratorium. So probably a month, or maybe 2, before we start. Really seeing the the case reviews needed needing to get scheduled for those ones where we've already selected.

[32:01] This may be a difficult question, but do you think it'll be like but We have 6 to do, or will it be like slowly rolling into them? So it's hard to say, Yeah, yeah. every case needs to go every before it comes to the panel. It goes through command channel. Yeah, the police department. So some people turn things around more quickly and other people's gotcha. Okay, yeah, that'd be better. But I like option. 2 possible option. One is also great, but 220, okay, yeah. There would we be looking at like 2 h weekly? Is that kind of the plan for option? 2 and or option 3. You muted. We got the gist, though. Sorry I was trying to keep you guys from listening to me blowing my nose. But yeah, I do think definitely in the beginning. But I think once we get into our rhythm, we probably could go bi-weekly, because I think

[33:11] I I I do think that this this could be a quicker, quicker process. Because we have. We have a base that we're starting with. We have, you know, examples from the city. We have, you know, examples, obviously, from other cities that I started reviewing. So we kind of have frame. But what's going to be most important is just ensuring that it encompasses how you are conducting business and how you want to conduct business. So that's that's really the key we're where we get when we get a good working draft, where we're honestly gonna need everybody to read it, read it, and give us feedback before we bring the final. But yeah, I do think particularly. Let's just say for the for first 4 to 6 weeks we probably should meet weekly for a couple of hours.

[34:03] And last question. Then I'm going to be quiet. But for the folks who are here for the last bylaw update, is there public interest in the bylaws. Do we need to consider the public having access if we'd like it in option? 3. Or was that not? Well, for, like the last. Does anyone know if there is precedent for community members wanting transparency when we're creating bylaws for this panel? I've done it before in the past? And it was a tedious, painful process of having someone very skilled who happened to be English Major, guide us through every sentence by sentence translation. and then there would be comments and feedback. And so, if we can shrink that to 2 people versus drag everyone in, it will keep us on that sort of timeline that we mentioned. But the other thing. Can I just add another thing for transparency's sake. if you accept my recommendation of having this as a standing item on your agenda.

[35:03] That is one way to have a level of transparency, because we will be talking about it openly at every meeting until you take your final vote. So that is a way to allow some, you know, public participation and awareness. Can I follow up to what you were asking and push everyone wasting time interest in participating? I mean, let's think that we don't have a limit of 2 people who will be interested in participating. Okay, I don't know if I could commit to the 2 HA week for the 6 weeks. That's why I'm like a half. But if there was an opportunity to be involved, so just to take them take pay far. Upon understanding how this final work I will propose, but maybe we do every other meeting like one meeting to the other, meeting open to everyone that wants to come in open to the public

[36:04] and the next one so like what I, what I I would like to do is like we. We get one session of extreme concentration of work and moving forward, and then one where we're open to feedback. But it's open that you all can join if you want to, for an hour for 2, for however you want. and then the next one is close, just the 3 of us, and then so on, and so forth. Every other week. and one of them should be one of these meetings. If we do once a month. Does that sound doable getting one more monthly kind of working session that's open to the group. So if we make one, would be 4 times a month, we have one, that is. the 2 panel members and Farah. The other one is open and public. the other one is close, the other one should be our old panel meeting, the other one is close. And

[37:04] yeah, I love that idea. I will just say, I already. I have my caseload of cases to classify down to 0 on the first of the month, and it will be 8 by tomorrow. So what I don't expect for at least the next like 2 months or so cases, like the amount of cases that I give the panel to vote on every month. I it's it looks like it's going to be high. So I don't know that having the bylaws meeting be part of the public. I just don't know that we have that much capacity to to do. You mean to the whole final meeting one up update, you mean, I mean, if it would be like an hour or so, and then no, I think we would be probably just talking about catching up or something like that. So we we bring it to the old panel, both publicly

[38:05] because we're we're gonna have 2 opportunities in between to be meeting so. and we can communicate, I guess. So. The open meeting should be more streamlined. Maybe. Can I? So? Oh, I'm sorry. I think. Victor was talking. Just in the interest of time cause. We do have other businesses. Some of these details we can finalize through email and that we have answers to some major portions of this. Do we have to vote on this? I think so. I think so. Yeah. the idea I might be hybrid. Farison knew that we were. So I think what I was gonna just summarize. What I think I heard solid at describing is that we're kind of again merging some of the options. And we're gonna alternate. The, you know, kind of the 2 person work group from the panel with the public meeting. I'm gonna create a calendar very similar to what I did for the work group. So we'll have the dates and the Times on there and then for the

[39:12] the public meeting on, you know, on the off week. It would. It falls aligned with the panel meeting. It'll be an update which would be anywhere between 5 or 10 min on where we are with the bylaws, and that will suffice for the alternate public meeting. So essentially, we're talking about one public meeting a month, and then one public update at a panel meeting, and then there will be 2 can panel subcommittee meetings to discuss the bylaws. Yep. Is that I just wanna make sure I'm summarizing what you were suggesting. Solid. Think so. Yeah, yes, yes, pretty much. We can work on this. But I think yes, so.

[40:00] Okay, I got it. I'll summarize it. And I will send out an email on Friday to everybody, just to make sure we're on the same page. Should we? Should we kind of move to vote from that move to vote on the hybrid? The hybrid? 2 s. Yes, second, so that's fine. Everyone in favor. Great. Tickle. Okay, thank you. Great. This is the hardest word. Thank you so much for. Oh, Victor, don't kill me! Who are the 2 people? I missed the other like it didn't see the hand of the other person. Abigail, and so my dad. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Sorry. A camera person here is, you know, instructed. Excuse me.

[41:03] Okay, we good. Yes, alright. Thank you, Barry. So the next item on our meeting. It's going to also require revote to move to close session for the sole purpose of discussing case reviews and for folks to ask questions as we talk about confidential material. I moved to session may have seconds. We have to see now. Oh, okay, everyone in favor, everyone in favor, of course. Sessions. Good, perfect. Are you getting the dog?

[42:06] It's excellent. Think so. It's under Moore on the bottom, right? Oh, yeah, all the way over 3 dots. Yeah.

[43:02] hold on. Let me. Eric, to go to more. Oh, got it there and then big. and then assign. Yep. okay. Well, I'm just gonna go to the breakout room. It should be far and and sterling, disturbing. Yeah, not Chico. Oh, wait! Sure, you need to be a part of it. So you people who cannot be here. Yeah. So you need to take to go out. Bring him back to the main. Kick it.

[44:00] maybe if you click, recreate. Hey? There you go, And then Sterling and Sarah. that's good open all rooms, and then they'll have an option to join. Yeah. And then one thing you may want to remove yourself. The setting on the bottom left. You can set the time. So okay, so we can bring them back. But that's a good time. So okay, open all rooms, and then they can. And then so

[45:14] and then there we go. Desktop. Okay? Yay. okay. So this is a chance to folks to ask questions, so we could just go down the list or start with the first case, which is Sm. 202402. Nothing official to say you have to choose. Yeah. I mean, feel free to ask any questions. If you.

[46:01] that's all I will drop. It's a week month. Oh, so soon. Okay. Any thoughts or questions or comments about that one. So are we. Are we looking to release space or not should be public. This is just if people have. If people have some questions that they okay, I I don't have any. And for people who the Sm is my does denotation. That is a serious misconduct case that has implications for the matrix like the discount matrix. So that's why that is Sm, whereas most of the cases you see are mi, which is just a misconduct investigation. Okay.

[47:01] can we could, someone who's experienced reviewing cases explain what a review of a case is about for new members. I'm thinking. Sherry sharing what will happen is after it goes through the investigation. People will get the people who sign up for a particular case review. You know we will work to try to schedule a meeting we usually schedule for like an hour to 2 h, and then about 2 weeks in advance, you will get like the file, which is, gonna be a little bit re smaller than the file that I have. Some of the like multiple voice mails to try to contact people like you don't get those, but you'll get the relevant body more on camera. You will get the police reports the like audio from 9 1 one. If that's if that was part of the file. you will get the audio interviews of the officers and generally recorded interviews of the complainants if they're participated, or at least they're like email complaint or voicemail complaint.

[48:09] so you will get all of that. It can really vary for cases. there's there's like one case in here that's going to be pretty minimal and then there are other cases where, you know, if there's multiple officers and multiple people, and the scene lasts a long time, you know it can be hours of body, more camera, and then the interviews of the officers that the panel members need to read and review in advance and then we have the case review meeting. if they've been just via zoom or sorry teams, I guess. And then we go through it. We have, like a general discussion. People questions. you know, bring up things that they found really compelling or questioned. So like I'm there as a resource to like, answer some general police

[49:02] protocol, and then basically take a vote on each one of the allegations. So as you can see for each one of these cases. I've identified the allegations. So it's basically, you know, sustained on how did not sustain as the option and then, for any case that's sustained. We also vote on discipline. And then there's also a general like. is there anything that, even though it's ripen policy or something like that. We don't like the policy that we think that the problem is actually that there isn't policy, or that the policy itself should be changed. And then the panel can make those recommended Jacob. People should. Sherry I was. I was just gonna add one thing for the new members who've never done this before. There's 2 ways of going about it. either. You like. What I did was like. I shadowed the older members who had been doing it for a while. I sat in on case reviews, and I just listened.

[50:08] Even. you know, I wasn't part of any voting or anything to do with that case. But I just listen to how they were going about doing the business. So that that's so, you can shadow that you can do shadowing. That's the first option. The second option is that you can reach out to for one on one like more, for lack of a better term coaching to more experience members who've been. We've done this before, and just say, Hey. what do you? How do you go about reviewing a case? What do you look out, or what do you look at? And just gives you a bit of tipsy, and there of how to go about it. I found those to be quite helpful, because it can be overwhelming just to be

[51:01] cause. There's a lot of material that has to be covered. and if you are not systematic, you gonna be overwhelmed. Thanks. Jaco. I also put together an evidence outline that tries to identify some of like the like best view of like, maybe the physical contact, or this is the this is the audio. You know. This officer's body or camera at this time is what I've found to be the the most clear audio. that type of information. And that comes with every case. Yeah, okay. And I've done what she had mentioned with Bill. And our meeting is also going to be there, and Abigail meeting with you. I'll also just walk you through some of that as well. So. and it's also that sometimes there are things that are relevant that are either at the beginning or you know, at the very end or so, you know. Yes, the Ivs out is super helpful.

[52:03] But sometimes, if you can just watch one that is longer, you know, to cover, maybe you find which have happened like a smirk, or like a laugh or a joke that really kind of trumps pretty much other things. So it's just the way that you look at the evidence in in general. But the I didn't sound like it's super helpful. Okay? No questions on Sergio Tula. Same thing on 11 m. 1, 2, m. 12024, dash 0 1 1. This a little bit confused about the details. And I just wanna make sure I was reading correctly. This was a traffic stop for a car that was not sold. This was the person who was stops car that had previously been stolen return to that person. But CAD still had outdated data that maybe the officer believe it was still the the real crux of the the confusion is the license plate. One of the license plates was not recovered and is still

[53:16] showing us stolen. Oh, okay, so. But nothing having to do with the vehicle that was stopped was actually stolen. There was not a stolen license plate from some other vehicle on that car. That was the detail that I was using up. Okay? And so the issue is not have, because there's still a license plate floating out there, and they're like trying to find it. It was like the way the information was was correct, but also maybe confusing it can. I think it's the okay. Okay. Thank you. Cool and some of there's a new sergeant in Psu, as of like 2 months ago. He is going. That part of why I have so many cases is he's like.

[54:01] you've taken this guy's statement. Okay? So that's why. Also, it's like some of some of these are gonna become gotcha pretty fast. Okay. One other quick question. When we talked about this last month, we talked about kind of wanting to like. know where people were leaning, and then be able to dig into it a little bit. Is that something people are wanting like a quick, like unofficial vote. And then we discuss, or is that not? Is that they see from that that feels bad? abandoning it? I think that last time there was a case where we had a tie, and that's where we wanted to talk about it, because I didn't understand why people didn't want to take that case. So that would have been like something where I had question like, why aren't you? What's the difference of perspective? Because I'm interested? It's like, maybe they're right. But I'm just wanting to know. So

[55:00] I think that's okay. Right? It's like, why, the close session that's the close session we would call for it. I mean, I I think that it's good that we have it right now, because we have new members who have never done this before, but I think that that last time that's why I was asking for a close session. so that we could discuss that case so that I could understand what was going on. Does that make sense? So if I give an example with this case, the merits are a high risk. Traffic stop. I'm familiar with almost like a felony stop. There's certain procedures that they have to go through with the high risk traffic stop, so it doesn't bring up a lot for me looking at this case right? So that could be one way to, you know. Answer your questions, cause he is the merits of a particular case.

[56:01] and this is something like they do all the time, and yes, it could have gone one way or another, but also the other way is like, well, let me see the video first, and then I'll make a decision. I mean, and I think that also I know that when Joey Lapari was here. Or what I've you were here. So this is that there were times that the panel basically cited. We don't feel like we have enough information to vote on this so maybe they want to wait until like after statements are taken on the investigation as farther along. So I like, I think that that could be an appropriate, and at some point we'll have a portal where we can see the videos before. So, Victor, I'm just saying it merits in this case. 0 1 one. I don't feel it. Lawrence. Our time, energy, and effort and I think enough has been presented that I wouldn't not move on this one

[57:03] based on some of the merits that I've seen on this case. So my suggestion will be, given the restrictions we have in terms of what we can talk. Here is present the conversation as questions, and coming, coming, coming from every space, rather than why are you thinking about it. which is kind of the site. you know. Are are you saying yes? Or why is this appealing to you, or cut your attention, or something like that. So we keep it in the questioning face rather than out doubt period. Yeah, I I I okay, should we? Should we move to the next case, then that says. 0 1, 3 and 1, 2, 4. I'm sorry. 0 1, 2.

[58:09] I know it stated that he that the completing witness was on the like call for like the CRT list for the crisis response team, do we have since this was a while ago? Do we know if that's still the case. I'm just saying that. No, I mean, since I classified this in March like one of my recommendations. Was that he so like the the bottom. 2 paragraphs are within the last, you know. Couple of weeks. Okay, cool, cool. Yeah. Thanks. That's helpful to know, though, cause I was like. you know what the timing is? Yes.

[59:03] the next one m, 1, 2, 0, 2, 4 dot 0 1, 3 similar details. Confirmation question about this one. Okay, so there was an event at which one of the first one of the people involved the complaining witness was. It was determinedly, or that they should be arrested for what happened, Doc, during this event. right during the from from the video evidence that Cf. Showed during this event. Yes, and then, but then later Cf. Was also arrested for violating a protected order. Was that also related to the event, or is that something else that was related to the event? Summer. Okay? And that was just because Cf was not allowed to be near. Cw, or was there? Okay, yeah.

[60:00] just all the time? Yeah, many, much time passed. I was just wanted to make sure. I and I will just share that the panel voted last month to also take a in case of this complaint. or any, am I? If I'm not allowed to ask this just compliant? Are some of these the same complainants in multiple cases? Yes, I mean in to this month for us, too. Yeah. And I have a question about that, like the case that we text that we voted on last. Can we know which one it is? And would you recommend that the same people look at both faces, since they'll have a better knowledge of it? Possibly. That's something that I was. I was. you know, I was contemplating myself of whether it makes sense, because to at least one person with a history of the case could be also bringing it. I can. I mean, I I didn't look to see if anyone signed up for the cases that Victor said earlier,

[61:12] of It was oh, 9. Any other questions on this case? Thirteenth, let's start on thirteenth. Okay, m, 12024, dash 0 1, 4. I took these statements. Observe these statements today. The next one is any questions on this one.

[62:01] The next one is M. 12024 dot 0 1 5. I'm sorry I don't understand. And I apologize. What does it mean? A priced in this context, did not keep communications up price which gets arrest with. oh, one official one, this is 1414140, let me! It was a did not keep them like updated like wasn't calling in their like location or whether they were on a job or not. Okay, so communication surprise is basically updated communication updated passing this happening. Okay, great, thank you. So much. Okay, and 1, 2, 3, 2, 4. That's 0 1, 5.

[63:02] I would say that I did go to feet for today unrelated to this, but also just wanted to see how things work. And it's it's almost impossible for someone to be restricted or denied services there when you line up in a huge line there's a queue of service providers, a queue of people. There's no interaction with the police other than standing to the side, so, unless they like, forcibly detained someone and took them to the ground. There's nothing preventing people from being able to access. You know, those services at the the Pete Forward event. They're open to the public, and anyone to walk up and get what they need. So is that with that sort of that's part of this summary. This the the complainants is pretty challenging, so he makes complaints. but he's not really linear when he's making complaints. And then he stopped like

[64:02] when he, when he moved away. He like he. It's very challenging, even when the follow up question. You know, if you're dealing with a neurotypical person would elicit the response. It's just he. So they were. They never got. They never got a better answer. So that's why the allegation is just written that way, because that's the that's the that's that I could do and looks like the next 2 are linked 0 1, 6 and 0 1 7, followed by the same person. Is that other links? Yeah. I I recommended that psu, separate them into 2 because they're like, you know, different incidents a year apart, involving different offices. that's why they're so that just seems cleaner for

[65:06] File those complaints, was it? But the the 6 and 7 and the history of that is actually she had called several months ago. But then, when she was talking to us. yeah, she was talking to a sergeant about the incident, and then she called Psu! I think later that day, or maybe the next day, or something, and then she's on record, saying, I actually don't want to make a complaint about this. And then in January she recontacted the police department. Oh, nice! Or since you know, she what's happening with this. I definitely want to make a just a quick question. Do we have access to me. March, please? I maybe not sure the one that's the time, because we'll have to vote on those

[66:06] equipment. Oh, no, we have to people, I mean so. or is there one? We needed more? And we did. Okay. Look, I think anyone has a question that the me, too. ask here. So we're gonna take our break. Do we come back like a 5 min break or just haven't taken a break yet. Arch. how are we doing in time? So, Mace, maybe we bring everyone back and let them know we're taking a breather, they know. And then

[67:01] can we go ahead 5 min by a bit? Yeah, that makes sense. Let's do that. So just close all rooms, and then they'll come back so thank you. Everyone for with our first, close session, that we've had in our public meetings in a while we're gonna take a 5 min bio break, and then we'll come back and resume. Thank you. So we have some cases that we need to vote on, and then we also have some cases from the previous meeting that we need to assign. So maybe we should vote on basis first and then just assign everything.

[68:05] So the first case is 2 0 2 4 0 0 2 option. One has the allegations of rule, one. Violations rule 2 violations, and also rule 3 violations. compliance for rules, conformance with laws and key things. We'll take a vote to see if we want to review this case. But just by raise of hands. Okay, thank you. The next case. Excuse me. M, 1, 2, 0, 2, 4 dot 0 1. One also has a rule, one violation, a rule, 5. Violation and a rule. 6. Violation, compliance with rules. General orders rule 5. Public authority and public trust and rule. 6. Use of force.

[69:04] If I show him who wants to review this case intuit. And then we go to both reviews. If it's noted for the record of yeah, I only have 8 2. Did someone instinct. Did you hear, Bill? I didn't see it. Yeah, it was them, too. I think they're pretty sure. Oh. I guess that's that's the next one is m, 1, 2, 0 2, 4 dot 0 1, 2, obviously, one has a role for and a rule, one violation. respect for others in compliance with values and general orders to voting to review this case.

[70:00] And who doesn't want to review this case? Perhaps thing. Stay soup. Oh, can you see what's up again. I have one. Yes, 3, no, we have 4 yeses I've seen. Oh. you guys want to repeat, can you do it again? Cares? Yeah. 0 12. So who wants to review this case for? Yes. Month. Okay, for not not to review 2, 3, 4, 5, okay. or 3 abstaints. B, okay. The next case, m, 1, 2, 0 2, 4, dash 0, 1, 3 officer, one has a rule, one a rule 5 and a rule 6. Violation officer 6 has a rule, 6. Violation or officer, 3. As a rule, 6. Violation. If I show hands who wants to review this case

[71:14] and votes for now right. The next one is M. 1, 2, 0 2, 4 dot 0 1, 4. Officer. One has a rule, one violation officer, 2. As a rule, one violation as well. Who wants to review this case and votes for? Now the next case, M. 1, 2, 0 2, 4 dot 0 1 5, officer, one has a role for and a rule 2. Violation. I'm sorry. A rule for violation, officer 2 also has a rule for violation

[72:08] revokes to review in this case votes for? Yes. it's for now. 56 years. Did you vote? Oh, you're muted. Maybe this is. Theming. Open it. So run 0 1, 6. So m, 1, 2, 0, 2, 4, 0 1, 6, office, and one has a rule, one violation. Who folks review this case and votes for? No.

[73:04] thank you. The next one M. 1, 2, 0 2 4 s. 0 1 7. Officer. One has a rule, one violation and a rule for violation votes for yes. hit it. The climate, yes. and votes for no. and the last one m. 1, 2 0 2, 4, 0 1 8 unknown officer with the rule, one. Violation and officer, one also with the rule, one violation votes for yes. and both supernova. Are you very close?

[74:00] So if you want to start with our oldest cases first and then work our way up we need to fill a case that Ada was on. and then it was M. 1, 2, 0 2, 3, 0 3, 4. We have Jason and Lizzie already volunteered for that case we would like to fill in the third slot Bill. It's it's been a while on these, so I wish I had anyway, put me on that one. We just need one person for that case. So the next voluntary, do you have to go for 2 0 2, 3, dot 0 3, 4.

[75:00] The next one needs 2 people. So this is m, 1, 2, 0 2, 4, 0 0 2. I volunteered on this case. So if anyone wants to shout me for this one or join. I will help any new member for this one. I can volunteer for that one. Okay, and we need one more person. I will note that Jason and Ab are not here, so we will plug them into cases as well. Yeah. So we can put Ab on that case. So I'm not the next 3 cases. We need 3 volunteers for so starting with M, 1, 2, 0 2, 4 as 0 0 5 0 0 4. That's what I'll notice always on the list.

[76:00] I'm looking at the spreadsheet. Oh, I guess, rebooted. Sorry. Yeah. Apologize. There's a lot of volunteers for 0 0 5. We need 3 people. 2 0 0 5. Okay, that's one. Yeah. I can. Okay, okay, so that was cheaper. So and maybe we can just fill in Jason for that last slide here. Next case is m, 1, 2, 0 2, 4, 0 0 8, that we need 3 people for?

[77:08] It'd be good unless you mean, how is it because Project determined to have these cases the reviews completed as soon as we can get them scheduled, so we don't. In the next couple of months. I'm reluctant, too. No. So okay, so the next one is m, 1, 2, 0 2, 4 dot 0 0 9. And this is the last case from last month. So we have elon as one.

[78:06] So then. and Abigail. good morning, oops. Well, you can still really know. So if you can. Yeah, okay, that's an option. Okay? I I mean, Madeline. Madeline can do it. I'll join you. I'm here with her because I have surgery coming, so I don't want to delay. but some of these will take place on the latter end, like the ones we're signing for tonight. So which ones do we have for tonight? Are you filling that in. As you speak, sherry looks like. but I am open to corrections. So the first one we had from tonight was Sm, 2, 0 2, 4, 0 0 2 in it.

[79:00] You'd like to volunteer for that case. it's doing really amazingly. Milan. Yeah, it's 2, 4 dot 0 0 2. So sure it's the wrong one of the directs over that app. Oh, as long as there I can perfect like a picture, I'm good. Is that your victor? Yes. Yeah, I can do that one, too, if if they're no. you need people on that. Yeah. The Chico do that one.

[80:03] Yeah. he's actually passed. Next one is m, 1, 2, 0 2, 4 dot 0 1 1. Who's Nick. we need 3 volunteers for that case. Yeah, yeah, that's a great idea. Wait at the front, you know. Okay. the next case is m, 1, 2, 0 2, 4, 0 one and 3.

[81:00] Yeah, for people's hands. Alright. Okay, I've added you, Lynn, solid. Did you want to have that? Alright? I mean, this is there? Well, I mean, I do think that is a, you know. Yeah, okay, let's see, yeah, this one. Okay. I don't even know. I'm just supposed to right now, they're just numbers to me. I don't. Yeah, that's the okay. So the next case m, 1, 2, 0 2, 4. That's 0 1 4. If we can add Jason or Ab to these last 2 cases. So we just need 2 volunteers for 0 1, 4.

[82:02] How we can put them both anywhere. We see one volunteer for 0 and 4, I can tell you. Don't ask. thank you. And AV. And Jason they're all for David. I have Jason AV, and and then the last one m. 1, 2, 0 4 dot 0 1 5. Can we do that one? There are a lot of what I'm surprised. No one asked that question for somebody. Which one? Oh, no, we. We said, oh, you know what? Maybe

[83:05] I have 0. Yes, 8. Now, okay. I flipped it around. And that's super important. So then that's then no one's doing this one at all. And that's the last one. I think. Okay. I gotta switch to phones. Okay, let me get back on If so, isn't that? Thank you, everyone. So this is the work I talked about with me talk about their dialogue system that we have things on our plate. Just being able to make the balance of meetings and times and again for the newer town numbers. I'll meet before we dig into this again and talk about how you navigate sharepoint where you look at these videos. It's just won't be so overwhelming. I was thinking of a button, one camera like how to read some of the details at the top, and I just unlock the new feature that in Chicago the inpart cameras did not.

[84:07] We're not run through axon but there's some cool features like you could see seeds in the deal. But I had the video until someone just showed me. So I can show some tips and tricks. And Friday. okay. even if okay. So I'm taking over committee updates. So it feels weird. But I'm gonna start meeting engagement. So for the record, I just wanna say that I haven't assigned to my share culture position. Yet the reason for escorting it. Okay, and recently, that we have been working on the retreat. And I, as soon as we're done with the retreat and we can have the conversation. Big picture what we want to do with it.

[85:07] Like, how we're gonna move forward with the work of the new engagement Committee, and then we have 2 people interested, but we maybe have one after we retreat, Adam. So then we'll move to talk about that. So couple of important things we have been in touch with the center and staff. We're trying to set up meeting with them. We're already in the back and forth to I'm waiting for we're waiting for an apartment, so we need to provide to us replace. and and we will be engaging with them, of course, reporting back on that and then the next piece is the retreat, that is, I mean app. And 2 of our no, actually, one of our 2 phone numbers have been working on it, and Farah have been

[86:02] nominated to possibly take the retreat. So if you wanna share your plan, that would be great. Alright. Thank you, Sola dad. So my understanding of the retreat and I want to take it a little bit back, because when I think of retreat, I think of something that's very formal. And this is really more of an opportunity for panel members to get to know one another to talk about how you all want to work as a team and as a community panel together, and really just have an opportunity for some team building and so we are scheduled, I believe, for Sunday, April 20. First, I believe. 9 to 12 and essentially, we're gonna start with opportunities for you guys to get to know each other, one on one we're gonna come together as a group to talk about more specifically.

[87:07] What expectations do you want to set for yourself in terms of how you work with one another? And then we'll close out with some bigger discussions in terms of how, as a group, do you want to build trust with one another? And communicate with one another? Going forward in your work as a panel, so Fundamentally, this will. This will be casual, but there will be, you know, some substantive conversations that I will help facilitate. But I think it's really more of an opportunity for you guys to really get to know each other and solidify your foundation as panel members individually and as panel members collectively. When. Right? So we have a place. Thank you. Amazing work. So we're gonna be meeting at at Wolf. Law, it's in Room 303, and I can send out a map of the building. We'll see you. Yeah, yeah.

[88:18] Yeah. If you want to send it to me or to Luna or so. We'll put together something with a little bit more details. To share with everyone and city staff. Hmm different city staff in Wisconsin. Yes, yes, I mean, that's what I meant when I said, everyone. yeah, that's seriously. That's that is everyone I sent for the people

[89:00] you're hard to forget we're not forgetting it. Okay? Okay? So then we'll stick into the time legacy committee. Do we have any updates. Not much. We we still waiting on data from Dpd. Daniel Renhart on juvenile interaction. So once we get that, we'll dig into the data, and we'll have something to present. possibly at the next meeting. Okay, I do have daniel called me last late last week. He said that there was some data situation that was just gonna take him a little bit more time. But he did expect to have that data this week. And he said that he can attend this upcoming legacy meeting to be able to help people, you know, answer questions about the data that he intends to have sent out before that.

[90:00] Okay, amazing. So follow up from Q, the first quarter meeting with the chiefs. I wasn't there. So if anyone that's West there wants to back me up here, we can talk about it any thoughts? That's okay. Of course, I I think that my main thought really is with during the first year during the first meeting with interim, Chief Redfern. We had asked afterwards in our debrief to keep the answers of the chief down to 5 min, which was absolutely not the case this time. To the point where Jason had to send it text to. I just signed because it was next to him to Victor, saying, Can we? To keep the the answers down to a reasonable time? And so I really would like to insist that we do that because in the end that was

[91:09] we didn't get to ask. I I didn't get to ask all the questions I had and so that's my feedback for next time. Get you like a 5 min hour like, go to a game store and get you like a 5 min hour glass, you know. I mean, we can have a little bell, and like when we're like 30 s, then we just bring it really gently and and that might be good, or one way or another. It would be great, which is kind, I think some of the question, the answers, or even the presentation. His introduction to new panelists was like 20 min. So it was it was a bit long and I have another question, maybe it's a seminar question. It was on the Monday first Monday, but officially it's supposed to be like the third Fourth Wednesdays, the meeting with the

[92:08] cheap. So I think it's it might be like that was maybe with the the previous chief. I'm just wondering. Is Monday a set day for this kind of meeting? Is it like the first Monday? I think we put it for the fourth Monday of each quarter. and I think I based that on the pool that you guys filled out a couple of months ago to kind of help me out. But this one was the first Monday. Wasn't it like, yeah, but that I know, I think, because spring break, I think schedule conflict that was gonna happen. but I think, moving forward, it's gonna be the fourth Monday of each quarter. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. And that maybe we need to update our website.

[93:01] Okay. okay, Maropa, MOU. Do we have anything. This is. This was brought up several months ago. previously, but it's now it's it's expired. There is in the in the sharepoint folder. There is the old Naropa Mo. I am just looking for movement from the panel of yes, we want to approach Naropa to see if they want to. Basically re up that same memorandum of understanding and basically, I mean, it's in the sharepoint folder. But it's basically allows panel members to get like counseling if the material that we're working on and reviewing is something that they want to process. because of the happiness.

[94:02] Can I ask for more details. Who in the past provided those services? And what where? Where is it? Just a proposal that's out there? I mean, right now, what I, what we have is the the one that was expired and it would be to start the conversation with them again to see if they're interested in providing that type of of service to panel members. And that's been happening. Or that's happened in the past where it's okay. It it wasn't. It was basically a contract. Naropa, would. you know, provide these services for panel members, or on behalf of the city? I. My understanding, is no one like avail themselves of those services. But at the same time, if we you know, we will be having a fatal police involved shooting

[95:00] with adding my camera. So I'm I'm just wondering because I my question the first time this was brought about was. My understanding is that there are students who of Naropa who are would be supporting us, and I feel that that's not sufficient. I I'm sure that the teachings at Narop are great, but I think that they're too much of beginner to handle the kind of things that we're gonna need. And since Maria earlier was talking about budget. I'm wondering, like, if we could have a budget where we have actual experienced therapist. You know, with a upper limit where we could have actual therapist that maybe we choose or we choose from list our professional, who are, who know how to deal with this kind of things. So I would. I would recommend that we look

[96:03] at this type of services rather than students really are probably not experienced enough to handle the things that we're that I I agreed, only was, I'm curious cause. I don't really remember. How do we come up with Naropa? This is source. Do you know, I do not know. I think because they provide the community. I don't know. Free counseling for the community, so it was. Have to give. Give the panel certain deference when accessing those services may be quicker. I don't know if maybe it was big with a robot. But in a new approach we tried to get like one specific. Maybe person that might be more experienced. Because

[97:00] I I yeah, sharing the video idea of the list where we could choose, you know. Yeah. Then then maybe that would be your budget. Item, yeah. But we can connect with one of what we talk about it through. And so we deploy. That's it. Most municipalities have internal people review that that employees can access. It's very confidential. And that's very qualified. People's solution. Check that first before we start. Because if they have those resources already here, where they have somebody who is completely confidential, and they don't. And I think that would be

[98:01] a great place to do that rather than outside somewhere, and that for Bill, isn't that mostly for employee number, like the employee assistance program as a as a resource, we're not employees with that. and we don't have to spend our money on something we already very qualified people. It's completely confidential, and I mean, Maria said, take care of yourself so we could just tap into that. I don't think I'm separate. It stays on the record like there's this is in no way undermining the services that Naropa provides for the community or other expertise. I guess it's just a concern that we might need or the any panel asking

[99:00] these type services. I need a higher level of expertise. Just saying that to I mean not to undermine the robin, anyway. Yeah, I wanna affirm, I think you all are hearing it. If we're getting grad students, I don't think that they're equipped to handle what we would be going to them for. Yeah. Could it be added to a list of the covered on your retreat? I don't know that we have. I'm gonna yeah. I'm taking note of that. Okay. Can I make a suggestion. Yes. So this this mou doesn't have to be set for 20 years, and right now we don't have any other supports outside of crying into a pillow. So if you set this up for 6 months, then maybe in 6 months, we have something else figured out. so maybe we can disagree to this temporarily, so we have at least someone to talk to, and then

[100:01] other things can open up in 6 months or or down the road. But right now we don't have any supports for things that we're dealing with at all outside of our own personal resource network. I hope. Actually, Victor, I have a question for you. Have you used the services or Chico in the past, or do you have anybody who's used those services, and what where their feedback. Yeah, I already have a personal therapist. So I use my eap program. But for people don't have the privilege of the eap program is literally someone else to talk to it about it, and I work in mental health and recovery, and so we don't want to load this on our spouses or our neighbors. So at the very least. we have a temporary outlet for 6 months, and then we can modify it down the road, so we can accept. The temporary mou and therapy services are therapy services, so they'll depend on the quality of the engagement and

[101:00] the person that you're dealing with. But at the bare minimum. We need something where we don't have anything right now. and that's all I got. Concur with what Victor is saying. I think that the idea with setting up the Moyu and Naropa coming in was to have something and not have nothing. Most of us, like Victor is saying, I, too, have other resources. So I'm okay using other resources. But for those that don't have those resources. Naropa is an alternative, and we can have a conversation with them to say, Hey, we need this type of service for you to provide this type of service, so we can engage them and discuss. Oof. is it possible? Is it possible that we could cause I don't wanna make that

[102:00] no one is using a weapon? Just so we've had it right? So if it's okay. I would like us to run with everybody present, be able to kind of further discuss it and explore options during the retreat. We're only a week and a half out. Yeah, before yeah, it's been added to the agenda, unless it would bring our, you know, bring our thoughts ready, ready to just explore with some some, you know, some finalized kind of finalized suggestions or recommendations. then we can put it through retreat for where we wouldn't proceed, so we can't do any of that legally. So I just wanna say I'm I'm one of those person who is. We cannot afford a personal therapist.

[103:05] and I'm not going to go to narrow bot. So I don't know. I mean, I don't want to talk for everybody. I'm gonna talk for myself. I really cannot afford a therapist. and I'd rather put cry in my pillow than having someone who's not who cannot handle me. I'll I'll just say it that way. We're making an assumption that the people at Naropa are skilled at all to do. This doesn't matter. I've I've worked with some very astute students. So the student isn't the factor. And so I think that we have to be careful just not to make assumptions because their students that they don't have the skills to handle this. Well, I think they also don't have enough information about.

[104:01] like who the clinicians are, and what the Mo. Says, and what that agreement is. That. That's why I said I, I I think we are delivering the point. Here is the point is, we we engage with Narop and find out who the clinicians are. and if they if they tell us it's graduate students, we tell us sorry this is not what we need. I thought that was a gift. Services are provided by second and third year graduate students and counseling psychology or social work under the close supervision of license professions. I don't want to be a case study. I'm sorry. I that's my opinion, and I'll I'll rest here. I I don't need to argue with anybody. If if the majority, as it seems, want to do that, then you go ahead. Did you have a date? That that was done? Is that was that with the old panel with the original panel I don't remember, and I'm asking you because I don't about it. I've been on this

[105:03] May thirtieth of 2019 when it started. And I've not heard this. It easily is so do you have a date? I think it was. I mean. It was signed by Joey Lapari. It was signed july 26, 2,022, through June of 2,020. Okay, so that was it last panel. Yeah, okay. maybe we could put this on as an agenda item in our next meeting. Let's let's put it as an agenda item. And as an action item for the month, so we can reach out and ask. And so we will come prepared to discussion, I think. with what we don't need is to keep talking about it. But also I'm I'm hearing clearly that there are people in the panel have access to their own therapist, which is great. and others that don't have access to those resources, and that have a preference. So I think

[106:04] we need to find that find that a way that we can make everyone feel contained that in in in a way that is meaningful for them. So so before we move to the Ipm report. can I? Yeah, go ahead. I'm just wondering if it's gonna be the exact same thing I was. Gonna say. probably we haven't voted for our minutes. So if we can. If we can look at give everyone have the chance to look at our meeting minutes. Okay, so can I have a motion to accept February's meeting first, and then we'll do march. So motion to for February. so move second. so can we have a vote all in favor.

[107:00] Everyone does. I was there. Okay, and then what was the book? 3, 4. Victor. Then. like March. can we enter 10 more? Second. madam? All in favor. I vote? Yes. correct. Yes, thank you. I'm going. Man. Okay. Okay, when Jamie done. You know, especially. Okay. Are you sharing? Okay.

[108:10] we're not as off track as I. I mean, if you can wrap it up in 3 min, you know. Well, we started 5 min late and we ate. Oh. hold on! Is anyone else in the maybe? Yes, there! Oh, hold on there! Let me happen on my end. Alright. So let me just, oh, very okay. This is the April 2024 boulder police oversight panel meeting. The independent police monitors report.

[109:03] and the full case file for review. That we're reviewed in March is 0 full case files reviewed and completed and pending Bpd disposition is 0, and we have 9 cases awaiting panel review. Except for the other ones we voted for today. we have completed cases since March of 2024 unassigned. We have MI. 2, 0 2, 3, 0 1, one. The allegation against officer one was, a rule, one compliance with values, rules, and general orders. That was general order 2 0 3, investigative responsibility and case assignments. Did not conduct an adequate investigation. and the panel recommended

[110:02] one. They sustained the allegation, and recommended a one year letter of reprimand. and the Department determined that they would also sustain and give a one year letter of recommend reprimand. I would also like to note that In this case the chief went with the panel's recommendations over some of the chain of command recommendations. Additionally the the panel recommended that officer one receive additional training on maintaining a neutral open mind and demeanor during investigations to uphold the integrity and customer service values of the Boulder police department, and the chief wrote, these deficiencies have already been discussed at length with Officer One, and also that he has taken full responsibility for his action, and has been working diligently to do better. The panel also made a broader recommendation, which is when the Department receives complaints of misconduct. While a criminal investigation is ongoing that supervisors identify a strategy for completing the investigation, including determining the accused officers further communication with the complainant, and or whether the case should be reassigned within the department, and the chief in the department responded that this will be assessed on a case by case basis, and

[111:23] there are clearly some circumstances in which an officer detected against whom an allegation has been made, should be completely removed from an ongoing criminal investigation involving the complainant, and this would usually apply if the allegation for one is serious misconduct and other circumstances and officer detective might still be utilized, cannot follow up, but a different officer selected to communicate with the complainant. If that is a friction point for MI. 2, 0 2, 4, dash 0 0 6 the allegation against officers one and 2 were rule was a rule for respect for other harassed the woman. I recommended that the case be UN, or that the allegation be unfounded according to general order 1, 2, 1, 21, section 8,

[112:12] and the department. agreed with those determinations. and in MI. 2, 0 2, 4, 0 0 7. It was Officer one had the allegation of Rule 4 respect for others. Harassed the complainant witness by pulling over her vehicle and issuing a speeding ticket. I recommend the Independent Police Monitor recommended that the allegation be unfounded in accordance with general order 1, 20, dash one, section 8, and the department agreed with that determination. I had also recommended that there was it was outside of the Boulder police department's purview, but that the signage on that stretch of road as somewhat confusing to

[113:01] And I just found out today that the Boulder police department member who I made that recommendation to dealt with multiple different agencies, and he reported that there is a new sign on the the onramp to make it more clear for motors. Nice. Okay. Some of our statistics from March number of complaints that the Independent Police monitor classified was 13. 8 of those were misconduct investigations. One was a serious misconduct investigation. 2 were classified as community inquiries. 2 were classified as community feedback 0 were referred to the conflict facilitation process. I attend, observe 6 interviews. 0 responses to critical incidents. I deemed 3 investigations thorough and complete. and the Boulder police Department closed 3 investigations.

[114:03] So the open docket as of April first the the docket was 21. All of those cases were classified, and I had 0 cases that awaited my classification. As I said earlier by tomorrow morning it will be 8 min waiting for my review. the I'm giving more details about the 2,023 cases, because those are oldest cases. And so the am I? 2023. Dash 18. I deem that they're on complete in February. It's pending the chiefs. Final determination. MI. 2, 0 2, 3, dash 0 28 I deemed 30. In March. That case is also pending the chief final determination. Mi, 2, 0, 2, 3, dash 0 3, 3, 3. That officer was on extended leave, he returned, and we have an interview scheduled for next week.

[115:07] mi, 2, 0 2, 3, dash 0 3, 4 I deemed that through and complete in March, and that's pending the chief's final determination. and MI. 2, 0, 2, 3, dash 0 3, 5. I had returned that to the Boulder police department for additional investigative steps. I just learned today that that final step that I've been asking for has been completed. So I should be getting that back. Regarding the the fatal officer involved shooting that that occurred. I was told last week that the police department expects to be scheduling their their force review panel

[116:01] this week, so scheduling it this week, giving everyone the 5 access to the file, and probably 3 weeks opportunity to review all of the the footage so maybe by the end of April or early May that will have taken place. regarding my community engagement for the month of March I attended events hosted by the older Chamber of Commerce, and also an event at the University of Colorado Center for race media and technology. And I am continuing collaboration with the Center for people, with disabilities on an event. And also in the month of March the Boulder police department conducted both like classroom training, some high risk traffic stops that I attended. And then they also did like field training up at the fire training center. And I attended 2 of those trainings to. I wanted to see it in the darkness, so I went up at 9 o'clock at night, one day, and then at 6 o'clock in the morning to see how that felt was different.

[117:15] Second. thank you. So to keep us moving. Is there any additional items that we haven't discussed that anyone to bring to the panel? Oh, who knows? Alright! I would also like to say that Last week. The Governor signed the law banning law enforcement agencies and the coroners from using the term excited delirium in their reports.

[118:00] Did I get that. Hmm. okay. Do we have any menus of the public? No, right? Okay. So seeing none. I think we're ready to wrap it up. Thank you everyone. that's nice. Usual. Okay, fine. I'll see you in 2 weeks at the Retreat. Thank you. Thanks, so all good night, everybody. Good.