June 14, 2023 — Police Oversight Panel Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

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[1:00] It's like, How did you do that? I know we watch some more Youtube. So I'm gonna figure it out. I love it. It's it's it's great. Once you figure it out, it's really, really helpful, really a great tool. Yeah. Excited for you. hey? Zoom in. Hello! How is everyone holidays? I just made you a Co. Host. Well, it's good to see you solid on. Thank you. I've actually just came home. We did an impromptu trip to Las Vegas for 3 days, which I never do, so that hectic settling nice.

[2:20] Use me while I eat Chili by 5 min dinner. You do you get time? I thought you were eating cereal, so that's better. I like me a good bowl of cereal, too, though nice to eat cereal at night. I wish I could do that. Well, yeah, there is a time limit if I if I plan on sleeping, you know, for me. I'm not a runner, Daniel. I don't run Marathons like you

[3:02] for me. It just it stays with me. I I'd say, run for the benefits of exercise. But really it's just to eat whatever I want, you know. So for awareness purposes, Corey cannot join us tonight. She's had some tickets to a show with a kiddo so she won't be joining us, so I'm in helping run the meeting. but she will take notes. She'll review the media take notes and welcome. Maybe it's good to see you.

[4:23] Me, your rubber tree. I'm so jealous it's gorgeous. Oh, wow! AB: I got it. When Rally Sport closed. They were selling so many things, including this tree. I'm learning how to take care of it. Is it hard like? Does it take special stuff? AB: I have no idea it's been a month, it's still alive.

[5:16] So we did hear from Madeleine originally that she wasn't going to be able to make it. and she said she might be trying to move some things around. I believe Sam will not be joining us this evening. Lizzie is not obligated yet to be here, due to the fact that She just got on the panel yesterday. maybe. Thank you for making the time last minute. I think we're getting pretty close and welcome, AV we're so excited to have you here. Thank you. Jason's also unable to make it, and Midland just popped in. I think you're pretty well that

[6:02] you you want to kick us off can do. I apologize in advance for any cat yelling you here in the background. He is very sassy right now, but just welcome, everybody. Thank you for coming to our police boulder police oversight panel meeting for June 2,023 recording. I'd like to start with a reading of our net land acknowledgment, which is We acknowledged the Arapaho, huge and shy of the tribal custodians of the land on which the police oversight panel and the Lisa

[7:15] and Boulder police department operate and pair respect to their elders, past and present. we'd also like to walk from the public and any potential press that is in our meeting. Welcome all panelists. And specifically, Ab, thank you so much for joining us when our first on your first meeting is okay. we're excited to see you here, and because it was last minute in case for those who are not aware. New panelists are the alternate to drew numbers yesterday, and so we got notice of who our new panelists would be yesterday. and so, because it was such a quick turnaround you know we're we're very fortunate that he's able to be here with us tonight. but, Lizzy, be able to join us in the July meeting.

[8:02] and if there are any questions by the public we ask the public users? Q. A. During the meeting? Do we have a panelists that would be able to answer or address the Q. A. Somebody that's willing to kind of field those questions. I think Corey usually does that. But I, Amy, I can go ahead and do that this evening. If that would be helpful. I'm happy to do that. My question out of curiosity is how it? How is that different from public comment? Yeah. So for the Q. A. If any Small questions about meeting process or anything, those can go in the Q. A. Big questions related to policy panel business. We? We do to refer those to public comment? Yeah.

[9:03] we give them a clarification. And then, if there are any complaints for members of the public who are here. we do have a web address at the golden Colorado. Gov, backpack services, backslash police oversight. and that is where you can submit online complaints. and then there's also a link to our panel email, which is police oversight panel at Boulder, colorado.com. All right. so we'll jump into our agenda here. The first item is approval of our May tenth meeting minutes. Any questions or comments regarding the minutes before we both to approve. I move to approve the minutes for me. And second.

[10:01] okay, a second perfect. Thank you, Victor. All right. So we will vote to approve all those say, Yay, please raise your hands or use the little digital hand. Wonderful looks. And then this awesome, wonderful. Thank you. Everyone. Minutes are approved all right. Next item on the meeting tonight is the Both the Quarterly be popped meetings that we have with Chief Mary's Harold. It was scheduled. Our next meeting was scheduled for June 28 however, due to the current auditorium in terms of anything that is not specific to ordinance work. the the Bpd did post call that, and they did cancel the specific ones. But because we have other ones on calendar obviously, we still have that other on the calendar. I do. I think that it was mentioned that Communications Committee was maybe trying to work something out on that. Does anybody want to say on that now, or we can. We will have a moment for committees later, if you want to follow up with that later as well.

[11:17] I see you. Oh, yes, hello. I just wanted to point out that today is June fourteenth, 2,023. And I I think you said June 20 third. So for the purposes of recording and people seeing watching this later today is 14, right? June 14. Okay. it's perfect. Yes, actually, I actually omitted to date. So thank you so much on the meeting with Chief of police. I can actually talk to that because I think I was in the cross wires before. We got the request from the city side to cancel that meeting I reached out to Victor, and solid.as chairs of the Communications Committee to hand off that meeting. since since I've been doing those in the interim and then and then we got the request. So I think there was just some misal wire this miscommunications there. But I do want to reiterate Victor. Silly Dot, if you wanted to follow up with Amy and Farrah

[12:18] about If we wanted to pursue a meeting with Chief Herald to focus on the ordinance work, and that was, I know what we had talked about in that email, too. So I just wanted to put some wires together. Yeah, I wasn't sure if they wanted to talk about it, or if we wanted to. at least at some point. Hey, this is the draft. This is what we're we're talking about. So yeah, I think at some point we would definitely want to revisit that, especially what's on the table. Still

[13:08] awesome. And so do we need any guidance in terms of next steps on that, or we know who we like. If we did want to pursue a meeting with the with the Chief for specifically. we'll handle that at the next committee. When is our next scheduled meeting? let's see. So our next monthly sorry what? The calendar here the next meeting with the chief, I mean for the next meeting with the chief. Yeah, let me pull up that one, too. Sorry you have 2 screens in my mouth, despite me. On which screen to be on this would be. I believe it would be September or August.

[14:04] Okay, what are that to our our list? Okay, thank you. Yeah. Actually, I don't see anything on the calendar yet, but if it was quarterly, then I would expect you know August or September, basically for our next weekend. But also, can I just add something on the ordinance? My preference would be that it go through the work group. I mean, the police department has a representative on the worker. So that is on the work group. and so when we do have a working draft, I mean, there's going to be a lot of people, including the police department, that are going to be getting copies and working through it. And so. you know, I I I do need to be organized in terms of collecting all the feedback. And so it would be easier if it kind of goes through the process that I set up, and so, like, once we have a working draft, there's going to be a lot of opportunities. to get feedback. And I I I'm pretty confident they're gonna want to weigh in in addition to the Union representatives and all the, you know, associated organizations throughout, you know, Boulder

[15:11] so it would just be easier if we can kind of just let the work group do what's work and go through the process. But there! But the way that my hopefully, my optimistic timeline is going is that the feedback will happen to hopefully way before September. So I don't think you'll have to, you know, by far away for that meeting at any any stretch of the imagination. Thank you, Kar. So my second question, does the chief want to meet with us? If we're in a moratorium. and it seemed I I didn't. That was unclear, so I don't think it's not in regard to ordinance work. I I think we abide by our our resolution that The work we're continuing is related only to the ordinance

[16:03] and noting. That's That's up for discussion with city Council. I believe tomorrow night. so yeah. really quick. So in answer to your question, Victor, about the date schedule, the next future date. there is a list of all of the dates in your sharepoint site under, and it's a 2023 pop meeting schedule and it has it slated for September 27. But to Daniel's point. if it's not ordinance or related depending on what happens. then that wouldn't happen does not appear that it's on calendars. At this point at least not our calendars. Great. Thank you both. Any other thoughts or comments.

[17:12] All right. Okay, perfect. Then we will move to the next item on our agenda. which is a status report. on the hiring of a new monitor, and I believe that would be you. That is great. Thank you so much so. We were fortunate that we received. I believe it was 53 applications. we, the recruiter, narrowed it down to a smaller match, and we are meeting with the recruiter tomorrow. to determine who we want to move forward for virtual interviews. which are scheduled for next week or the week after and then good news. July eleventh to the evening of July eleventh, hoping you all have that on your calendars. we are going to be hosting the community event again. we're gonna open it up to more participants at this point, since health health requirements are are better than they were this winter when we were hosting that that evening. Event. so we'll we'll be having a press release coming out for that and an invitation for you all to attend, that is, sending that out to far and wide, as much as we can to get people to participate and not to meet the candidates

[18:25] and be able to, same as we did last time. People can submit to questions in advance, so we can ask the panelists. their questions, and then we are also going to be then hosting the panel interviews. So the typical Round Robin, where they go around and meet with different panels for an interview process. They will be doing that on the twelfth. And hopefully, after that we'll get ourselves to monitor. So more to come. It is looking up. I have a question who from the panel is going to be involved in that interview process?

[19:10] During that the 12, the 12? Any other questions for anyone you. So we move to our next. Actually, I will hand it off to Daniel for the rest of us. I think. so next up we're gonna have our consultant update from Farrah on lease oversight panel ordinance work. Thanks, Daniel. Well, I'm really excited to report, because I feel like it's taken as a while to get here that we did have our first worker meeting last night. and just to kind of reiterate, because I I know there's been a lot of emails, but there was mostly about the community event. But in terms of the work group we have Hadasa on it. So the dad

[20:18] we have Aaron Post City attorney, Alistair Mcneir, you know, is that his last name? Mcallister? I really just demolished that sorry Alistair on it. And we're working on Madeleine made a recommendation from the Naacp representative that we're hoping we think she's out of town. so we've been. We've been contacting our waiting for hopefully. Come back in town this week to to join the work group. And basically, yesterday's meeting was about introductions. And it's really important that we are on the same page about expectations and the purpose of the work group and then working through how we're gonna work together.

[21:02] so I felt like it was a really fruitful conversation in terms of being on the same page about the work group and understanding that, you know, it's kind of one part of the recommendations. that will go to council, and obviously Council will be the final final decision maker. And then obviously, there will be other other groups that will weigh in One of the topics that came in was communication. I can't remember who who who asked, but I'm like the panel is not gonna let me get away with not communicating with them on the on the ordin. So So I told them that I was planning on a bi weekly cadence for the panel, and then I have a group of stakeholders that I've met with, and I've talked to you through this process. I have them on a completely different email chain that I sent updates to. And I think I'm going to update them monthly And so that's really The plan that we talked about yesterday, and we have set the scheduled calendar invites. We're meeting every Tuesday pretty much throughout the summer. And I think we're going to be able to move pretty pretty quickly. we're handling it by topics and then working through some language.

[22:09] so I feel pretty pretty optimistic that you know. It'll be a fruitful fruitful for fruitful process. I don't know if you know. So hadass, if you want to add anything just from your perspective as a panelist with our our first meeting. yeah. Oh, yeah, I just wanted to add, we did also have Martha Wilson. who was our previous panelists on there as well. Yeah. Yeah. And then yeah, nothing. I I think that we were all sort of on the same page in terms of like we want to establish something that Obviously all parties are comfortable with moving forward, and something that ultimately will help us. get back to what we're here for. So

[23:05] yeah, I think I I I felt like it went really. Well, I felt like it was a a good first start. and so we'll be having those every Tuesday as you know, in the afternoon, or whatever. And so, if there is any questions or anything that does come up for anyone, feel free to send those to either the general panel or to to us, and we can make sure that those. from all the other things that we will have. So She recommended. Her name is Velvet Howell. And so Madeleine did an email introduction maybe last week, and I followed up and then and called me to make sure that we connected, and that's when we talked about we think that she's out of town. so we just We're going to follow up with her. I plan on following up with her tomorrow. No, Madeleine has been contacting her as well. So Then we can. We can make that contact. and she'll be open to joining the worker both, though. Vita Howell.

[24:15] Yes, yes, And this. So I will follow up. After this meeting I received couple of phone calls the day from people concerned that there was a meeting that took place last night and we would not represent it. I said that I thought, from what I remembered. that it was going to be more of what you just said. Introductions and just kind of No, we didn't get into any great detail. This was like the first meeting. and I didn't think that. I know we want to be present at all meetings. I understand that. But from what you and I spoke about for

[25:00] that was, there was not gonna be any in depth, conversation and delving into issues and details, so I hope I calmed the concern. Well, I'll find out, because I'm going to call back after this meeting. I've just not had a chance. Joe. He has me a little stretched right now, so I'll get it. I'll get to it after this meeting, just to make sure that I answered. You know that that satisfy the answers I gave says, but and now, hearing a report, basically, from what actually did take place, that confirms what I said absolutely. And then also the we as the Naacp, you know Martha is a member, so so there! I don't know if that's what she meant by we. But no, no, no, because the the representative that that is there will be, you know, independent of of what Martha's role is. from what I understand. And so yeah, it's all. It's all good. yeah. I just wanted to make sure that, you know. And then the other question that came up was, was there representative there from

[26:11] What's the what is that? The group? that stood with us at council? Yeah. So Do you want me to speak to that, Hadassa, Daniel, Amy, or do you want to speak to it? I just want to be respectful of the role of this meeting. so they are not going to be participating at all correct. They they did not to. Okay, that's all right. Yeah. So I mean, we we really haven't had a chance to Talk about it until until now. but this is a good time also, I guess if there is any.

[27:06] I mean other groups of the community that wanted to. you know. Let us know that they want to be involved, or or take that space. I think we might be. Sarah. Do we have any? And maybe we want to raise up actually to the So next week, June 20, first is our our first opportunity for feedback by the community on the ordinance. And so that's June 20, first, 5 to 6, 45 at the Canyon Theater. in the Boulder Public Library. you can visit us on at our website. You can learn more info. But that's one of the opportunities that the working group. And thank you. Communications Committee solely on Victor Elon for putting that opportunity together. And so, you know, kind of reiterating what Ferret has said is that you know the working group is this core group of folks who is facilitating the process? but the process also takes the rest of us, showing up to these engagement opportunities to to get our feedback in. And really, that feedback session next week, you know, we're we're handing the microphone over to the community. we're sharing the ordinance in advance. So you know, you can be a specific or general and your feedback as you'd like. But it really is

[28:17] just a really raw, listening session, and I think just to double check, so that we did confirm, we'll have a Spanish translator there. Correct 2 Spanish translators. I'm assuming, that's what you met. Yeah, okay, yeah, so yeah, so what? And we also have Spanish translators there as well. as well as we the ordinance has been translated into Spanish. Thank you, Milan, for heading up that initiative. And so, yeah. And these opportunities are going to come. And I really encourage the rest of the panel to Victor sent it out. So I'm just gonna raise Victor's voice up for us all to get out there and really be sharing this with our community. because this is the opportunity to get engaged and make real impact on this work.

[29:01] Sorry that was really long come to the event next week that Victor, I see it on mute. Yeah. Is there a way that I can share my screen? Just, you know. Just so we could show that the flyer, you know, during this event there's there's a poll that my being created and not everyone responded to. And so if everyone would respond to that poll. that would really help us determine who we could market this event out to I also want to thank Myleen for creating this flyer and substitution of what what the city had handed us. Our last event. We've had 2 events. one of it in 2 years and 12 people showed up. This event is going to be

[30:00] again targeted to the the Spanish-speaking community? you know, so that you mentioned some contacts with the county Commissioner and other folks. we have flyers that we could literally hand put up in places. so if you want to do some of this on your own. They're in the Tape building and the lobby. I understand you can just pick up a stack and go put them up somewhere. We also have the resources. Thank you, Farrah, of letting us know about. There's an intern that can literally post these up in different places. So if you know some locations or spots, or if you just want to do it yourself. because if you put up a flyer you don't want to get caught in a conversation about police oversight or not. Right? You just want to put it up and go to the next spot and say, hey? Come to the meeting right? And but also the meeting is only going to be about the ordinance. So any messaging about the meeting is, we're not here to talk about other things and other politics. We're specifically here to talk about the ordinance.

[31:00] And hopefully enough, people will show up so we can get their feedback. that's why we kind of moved away from the lecture as more of just a way to just you know, get that community feedback so hopefully, there's also been a press release. We've used the city resources. but we still need, like a full court press to get this information out so individually the panel members. put it on your social media. I use your folks. also, this meeting is not going to be in online. So it's in person, only. so I just want to mention that as well. You, the co-host. If you want to share your screen, you should be able to. You can't. I'm happy. Okay, so any, if you want to make me a co-host, I have it pulled up ready to go to. That's helpful. Everybody is a co-host. You're gonna be go.

[32:04] Victor. Do you mind if I also add that there people can also provide input that one isn't the one that has a QR. Code. But there is a QR. Code on here that people can the for the Spanish version of the ordinance. I just saw that. But the city is also posting it on the be heard boulder site. There you go. Which. So if people aren't able to attend in person, we really want people to attend in person, but people can also, over the next several weeks and be able to provide information at the be heard boulder online site. And I also had a conversation with a person on city council, and I asked them to share this during the meeting tomorrow. So we're gonna get whatever publicity comes from that as well. Hopefully. that's awesome, Victor. That's yeah. hey? I was gonna ask Victor Farrah. Is there a for the a timeframe, for when that will close that we should promote. With that

[33:10] I believe it's going to be open for 2 weeks. So it went live today, so that would be to the end of the month, so I believe, till the 2,028, I remember correctly. Thank you. Thank you. Hmm, hmm! And stop sharing for now, then, but that's on the record. So that will be on the recorded meeting video that will go out. website. Any other Final thoughts, comments, questions about the ordinance working group. No, I don't have anything more to add. Would you? Would you review the details of this meeting next week again, please.

[34:01] The one that's going to be in person on me. That yeah. So the community event that'll be sorry. Just close the window. Such January or January. Wait a minute. Y'all June 20 first. So that's Wednesday, June 20. First 5 to 6 45 pm. At the Canyon Theater. So that's inside the Boulder. Public library the one on a wrap. Ho! The main branch library. That event is all in person. There will be 2 Spanish translators, and for folks who cannot make that event. they can go to be heard boulder.org to also give their feedback on the ordinance online. That. that website will be open for 2 weeks for feedback. Okay? Are you aware that there is a major event scheduled approximately at the same time on the 20. First it's called

[35:04] proclaiming Colorado's Black history through music. and so the the ship times. Some shit time. Is it. 5, 30, and it the program starts at 7 pm. I'm just wondering if you were aware of that. If we are with it conflict. I don't know if anything we could do about it at this point. But just if why? Thank you. And I, yeah, I don't know far. Yeah, it it definitely presents it, and I'm glad we're talking about it because it presents it. I am working with that group in terms of presenting some of the performers who happened to be children.

[36:03] And so it's probably going to create a conflict for me. Okay, alright, just so, you know. Okay. so that. And so I thought I saw your hand. Did you have something? just a couple of thoughts? So one is I think I I would love to see, and I don't know how this can be done, but I do want to mention it. It's it's hurtful to have missed the Hispanic voices in the in the group. I'm very concerned, but I also understand absolutely the challenges of participating in the in this process. But I think we should be at least trying more intentionally to capture

[37:02] more of the Hispanic voices. we know at least there's what 17% of people in in boulder. we we should have them at the table. So I think maybe a more intentional, more you know, active approach at finding you know someone I do. I have share with some of you what I think the challenges are to be in these groups, as you know, immigrants, or having make status families, and, you know, acknowledging those challenges, I think, is very important specifically for this group in terms of understanding. you know how stressful that can be for someone to be in this group and exposed to the feedback that sometimes is, you know, challenging to take. So I I would love for us to explore a bit more. I don't know. Maybe through other organizations that I I I mean, I'm a style. So one

[38:03] in the City of boulder. So maybe if we can come up with an idea of who can we reach out to even though I represent not represent. But I'm member of that community, and that can be taken as me representing that voice and also have that we're in the what we are doing this work. I think we need more people. you know. So as Martha as well. So I said at at this point, both of the panelists, which is, you and myself are from the community. And Martha is as well. And so in terms of the working group, yeah, they make up the majority. Yeah. So I think it's important to acknowledge that losing a miss, that in this process is a huge lost for for us as a community, and and just naming that, I think, is important and honoring. How brave

[39:04] they're wearing a dressing city council. And you know, talking about what they did. So I just wanted to name that. Yeah. And I I think so I got to to raise that up a little bit, too. Is that the So last year when we were working on the Selection Committee, was. it was really important outreach to our nonprofits and and boulder and and making those connections. And I think you know the lesson learned from that is how how dependent that is on us as individuals, to do that outreach in advance of need. That was the kind of thing we ran out to is that we we popped up and we said, Hey, we'd like you to serve on this, and that was kind of out of the blue is that we have to. We have to make those connections as we go. and I enact, and I'm I'm I'm grateful for Centralized for serving on the Selection Committee for seeing that process through. But to your point, I think I think what's most important is the accessibility question as well, is making sure that this work remains accessible to the folks who are asking to step in and to do it, and to be asking that question about the work when people say.

[40:06] when people pass on the opportunity to work with us for us to say, Well, what what do we need to fix here. Why did you pass? What can we change? How can we make this more accessible for you? and to recognize, you know that it's. This is a first for the city of Boulder for us to be so on the front edge of of raising up marginalized voices, and so we can. We can leave that work with with the questions of accessibility and exactly what you're doing. So like dot, which is to raise the question and depress the issue. and I, yeah, and I encourage all of us to continue making those community connections so that we we have a strong basis support that we can go to in these situations to say, Hey, we have a working group, or, Hey, we have a committee that needs support on an issue. Is there someone who can help us? So I just I, just, yeah, I really appreciate you solely. And and for raising that. And I think we had sorry order Farrah, your hand first and then Milan.

[41:02] Yeah. The only thing that I was gonna add is that I do think it's also a lesson learned to to the panel in terms of just. I don't know if you should necessarily limit yourself to organizations, too, I think, kind of really broadening it. Because with that vote you really did limit yourself. So I think that that's also just a lesson from experience. But but I also want, I mean. this is community work right? And in the working group is not necessarily a bubble. And so I feel like there is still space for centre on this, that in a way that's comfortable with them, and what I'm suggesting, and I think they would take it they would take me up on this because I've already met with them once is that as we get further down in the process, I could just meet with them directly to get their input, because that to me hopefully, will alleviate some of the concerns that were brought to me about their participation, and so they can still have a seat at the table. It's just through a different mechanism. And so I can commit to doing that. I mean, I'm doing that for a lot of other organizations. I don't know why I would not do that for Central on the start, and so so that we can ensure that at least there's their voice is heard in this process. And so I'm I'm

[42:14] happy to do that, and I I think they would welcome that opportunity to meet with me one on one. Once we have, like something more substantive to go back and forth on, to sit down and have a meeting, and you know, having getting their feedback directly and just, you know, giving it to me directly. So I'm happy to do that. Thanks for thank you. Milan. Yeah. I just wanted to say that part of the reasons why we sent out the The poll was to know which organizations we each each of us know, and then hopefully spread the work of informing organizations so that they can then enter and inform the member of the communities they serve. And so the idea in that is to create this bond this, this community knowledge of what we do, how we serve them and all that. And so

[43:11] yeah, if you could respond, and then I'll make a list, and we can divvy up that work for the next, maybe not for June 20 first, but for the next community meeting that we have around the ordinance, so that more people can be at least aware of it and aware of us. Because what has come out to me is that the people, especially in the Latinx community, don't know about who we are. And so yeah, I appreciate. If you could answer this, Paul, I'll send an email with a link to everybody again, so that you have it easily available. Thank you so much. Thanks everyone. So next up for us. Then I'm going to hand it over to flow. for the interim. Independent Police Monitor report.

[44:01] Hi! Can the host allow me to share the screen, please. here, on behalf of the How Ir Group tonight, which is serving as the interim Independent Police Monitor for Boulder here with Mike Jennaco and Teresa Makula and Teresa's going to present one of the cases that was closed in the since the last meeting. So In May the panel completed. 3 full case file reviews. One of those is still pending.

[45:03] Well, it's pending a disposition, and we'll report on that probably next month. There are 10 cases still pending panel review that the panel prior to May had voted to conduct a case review of, and those cases are ready. 5 of those are scheduled. and 5 are complying our pending completion of the Department's investigation. And I want it to report, want to report on we're gonna to report on 2 cases that the panel review, and that have been closed. And then, in the first case this was a serious misconduct case, and involved an officer in the rank of a sergeant who is accused of sexual harassment and engaging in unreported relationships with 2 officers In this case, specifically this sergeant was also a police training sergeant, and he's sexually harassed for W. A. Officer. 2

[46:12] by making 2 comments to her on different dates of a sexual nature, specifically suggesting that the officer tell others that the sergeant was good in bed because of rumors they were involved, and making a reference to her not having had sex. The there are a second female officer they had a sexual relationship that he did not report, and with a second fee another third female officer. He had a sexual relationship that he did not report, and this particular officer was receiving on the job training as part of the Police Training Officer program this sergeant officer one resigned on October 20, eighth, 2,022. Prior to the interview, the Prior to his compelled interview.

[47:10] the panel recommended for all allegations that the allegations be sustained, that the officer would would have been fired but for the fact he hadn't resigned, and recommended that the Department never rehired this officer. The Department agreed with those dispositions, and the panel also made a number of policy recommendations to the Department and the city. First, the panel recommended that the Department retrain its employees on issues involving sex dating gender, sex, gender identity and sex gender preferences in a way that is consistent with boulders, values, policies, and current workplace. Best practices depart department responded that this is a valid point, and the department is looking at. It's required training calendar for me for the remainder of the year, and it's going to see how best to integrate such training. And it's in service training. The second recommendation the panel made was that the Department should establish

[48:16] a fully anonymous tip line for officers to report their concerns, their negative encounters, or any issues with the way their gender, sex, or private relationships are discussed in the workplace. the department responded that it is looking into this and also looking into what existing systems are in place throughout the city and in human resources, and if there are ways to make anonymous complaints, it will ensure that they are shared internally with employees, as they may not be well known. The third recommendation the panel made was that There was a specific form related to one of the general orders training and career development training Conduct. it's called the Training Conduct Acknowledgment Forum, and it's part of general Order 138 called

[49:07] Training and Career Development, and it the panel recommended that this form should permit trainees with whom a trainer or a police training officer attempts to establish a relationship, personal relationship to notify training or the Pto leadership anonymously. The Department said that. that is, in the process of trying to get credited by the Commission on the credit accreditation for law enforcement known as Kalia, and the Department's plan is to review and revise all of its policies, and it's going to evaluate the current Pto policy to see if it can integrate this recommendation. Assuming it meets Kalias standards, and finally, the panel recommended to the city that it update its nepotism policy which the city last revised.

[50:01] and on August 30, first, 2,009, and clarified its definition of supervise, i. E. Rank and or direct chain of command, who is an employee affected and clarify whether subordinates are required to make notifications regarding a supervisor, subordinate relationship. The city's equity officer advised. that the city attorney's office is examining the nepotism policy. And I want to say one other thing about this case, because this has come up in a number of this is third case that I think I've presented that involved an officer resigning prior to the conclusion of the recommendation. and some it's been mentioned that but is it possible that an employee can be forced to remain employees so that the employee can be fired as opposed to resign and retired, and the legally you cannot do that, and a an employee is entitled to resign or retire. hi! And I should advise the

[51:11] panel and the public that in these situations the Department is required, and did so in this case, advised the Colorado Peace officer standards and training office. It's a statewide office for the State. It's known as the Post it and it tracks all certified officers. Our peace officers in the State of Colorado, and it advised the post that this officer resigned while under investigation, so that should the department in Colorado or elsewhere. you want to know about this officer. It can find out from the post, and that the officer resigned while under investigation, and any potential employer could seek information from the Boulder police department.

[52:02] So with that, I'm going to pass it off to my colleague, Teresa Magula. Thank you for you. Forward one more side, please. I forgot to forward the slide myself. No problem. All right. So this is yes. First I'm Theresa. May. I have not met some of the newer panelists. I am a colleague of Mike, and flows with our group. very happy to be part of this panel meeting tonight. So, thanks for having me. and the case that I will be presenting is a misconduct base, which is different. What flow just presented, which was classified as serious misconduct to different levels of classification. In this one the officers received a call for a stolen vehicle. They contacted the reporting party. The individual who recorded that his vehicle had been stolen, who was tracking his vehicle via GPS. In the live track system.

[53:12] The officers observed what they believed to be the vehicle, and followed what they believe to be it that stolen vehicle. After consulting with a supervisor those officers determined that they should initiate what is called a high risk. How many stop this is when officers use a strategic set of maneuvers to pull over a vehicle? that they believe to be stolen. This involves the officers at least 2 vehicles. In this case, 3 providing a kind of strategic cover for officers, and it involves the drawing of firearms and calling the driver and any passengers of the vehicle out of the vehicle, both for officer and public safety.

[54:03] They officers in this case, through their firearms they manded that to the driver of the vehicle, exit her vehicle, which she did. He then was commanded to walk back toward the officers. In doing so the officers realized that they had stopped the wrong vehicle based on the demeanor and the client behavior of the individual driver. Moments later, after that, yet another error was made, unfortunately, in which the officers matched the vehicle. Identification number of the stolen vehicle to the vehicle that they had stopped. That was done again in error. and the officer. When he was informed of this fact, one officer wrapped the complainant, and by her shoulders to prevent her from reaching into her vehicle what she was doing to attempt to get access to her person.

[55:04] There were 4 officers. Excuse me, 5 employees involved in this. There were for officers who were directly involved in this stop itself, and there was a fifth officer who was the supervisor, and that, had that officers had consulted with Early on In this case the allegations in this complaint were related to the fact that the high-risk, all in stop had been directed, and, secondly, that the officers had used unnecessary force in pointing their firearms at this particular complainant, who was directed out of her vehicle. There was also one particular and allegation of an excessive use of force From the complainant related to the officer who grabbed his shoulders. and in the course of the investigation it was learned that the supervisor, who subsequently responded to the scene did not have more activate a body, one camera.

[56:09] and that was an allegation that the department initiated as a result of the investigation. So here it becomes a little bit muddy, and you'll see that we have 3 columns instead of 2, like the case that flow just presented to you. In this case the panel recommendations differ from the recommendations that we, as the Independent Police Monitor, thought, were appropriate for this case. The panel recommended that the officers who were involved in the high risk on stop! I have those allegations sustained. The 2 officers in this case were police training officers. The other 2 were trainee officers, so they were being trained. The panel determined that those few trainee officers should not be held.

[57:04] as should not have those allegations sustained? because of their particular role you were learning at this point. I perhaps did not have as much information as their in these cases. In this case. We recommended that the officers be exonerated in this In this particular case, with the exception of the supervisor. who did not have his body one camera. and we recommended that that particular allegation related to the body, one camera be sustained and the basis for our particular recommendation. and the the definition of exonerated is that that the instant incident as described did occur. so we're not disputing that this did occur, and that

[58:03] there were errors made during the course of this particular high risk vehicle. Stop! but that those were the actions of the officers, and initiating the high risk vehicle, stop, and the way that they did. and then executing it in the way that they did was within the department's policies and procedures. There were a number of recommendations made, and the panel I'll go through those first. The panel recommended that all the involved officers receive training and the detection and identification of stolen vehicles. and that the training team, the Department's Internal training team conduct, a tactical review of the incident to identify all missed sets. we, as the Independent police monitor also agreed with that recommendation, and the Department agreed with the recommendation as well. The second recommendation by the panel was that Epd. Should review its use of consumer GPS data as evidence.

[59:05] we did not make a recommendation regarding the use of consumer GPS data as the Independent Police Monitor and the Department responded that with respect to the recommendation regarding use of the GPS data. the Vpd. Will ensure that it is adhering to best practices. We also, as the Independent Police Monitor made a recommendation that Vpd should conduct department-wide training regarding the identification of vehicle saots, safe vehicle stops and communication with the public. So it goes just a step further. and to request that the Department retrain officers regarding the appropriate safety measures both for the public. the drivers, the passengers, and the officers. In this case this particular driver was pulled over on the side of the highway. in

[60:03] for weather, and that resulted in obviously some concerns around the safety of both the driver and the officers during that event. We also excuse me. The panel also ended that Vpd should revisit its requirements with regarding running license plates as a prerequisite to a high risk vehicle! Stop! The Department responded that with respect, that recommendation. the Ppd. Will ensure that it is following the best practices in that area. we, as an independent police monitor, did not make any recommendations regarding running license plates prior to vehicles. A high risk vehicle. We, as the Independent Police Monitor, advised that the Vpd. Council involved officers on communication with community members, including offering an apology where one is warranted in this particular case, but now also recommended, as they have in previous cases, and that the department work on its customer service, including again issuing allergies. When those are warranted and improving its communication with the public.

[61:21] We will note also that we recommended that Vpd. Consider extending a formal apology for the driver or her personal experiences. and we are very pleased to report that the Vpd. Did, in fact, issue a formal apology to this particular individual. she experienced as a result of her experience, and Vpd. Has acknowledged and apologized for the missteps that were taken in the course of this particular event. so gets a little muddy and a little confusing. Hopefully, you were able to track all of the different pieces moving here.

[62:03] The take away from this is that the Department has acknowledged that mistakes were made. It has extended that formal apology is providing the appropriate training and counseling regarding high risk. Vehicle stops and public communication to its officers. and we'll continue to look at the effectiveness and utility of the consumer. GPS data going forward. Thank you, Teresa. And just finally, wanted to note the statistics for the month on end of May. The Independent Interim Independent Monitor classified 3 new complaints, all of which are regular, are non-serious misconduct complaints. The Monitor observed 11 interviews and deemed 3 department investigations as thorough and complete. At the end of last month the Open

[63:07] Monitor and panel docket cumulatively. Some of the cases on this docket are not being reviewed by the panel. stood at 20, including those that are still pending the department disposition, and that completes the interim. Independent monitors report. Thanks. So much flow. I'm gonna hold and and thank you to Teresa. to raise up. thank you that I thought that was excellently presented. That was a very complex case. And I just really appreciate you. I also want to take a quick moment. Panelists to know that in accordance with the current ordinance, this is our opportunity. If we have anything to say in regards to the judgments on a case, of course, without we are not allowed to share any information beyond what the Independent Monitor has shared. But this is our opportunity. If we have any follow up on any of those reviews. so just want to open that floor for just a minute. If anyone has anything to say.

[64:15] yeah, it awesome. Sorry I'm I. I was on that second case. and I think at the end of the day, for me. Yeah. if the expectation is that what happened to that citizen is normal for anyone living in this area that that can happen to us at any point in time. I think that's crazy and unacceptable. And ultimately, that's why. you know, we we we re-sustained. And so That was. that was really all I had to say about that. Thank you.

[65:01] Yeah, Chico. I see the hand to go. I think you're still muted. You have a very persistent, mute button. Sorry about that. I I forgot that it was the other way around. My my only concern, just like said. I noticed that B. Pd. Has gone round and saying they will adhere to best practice in one of all those. That's what how they are responding to those. And my question is, what is best practice.

[66:01] if, in the first place, it wasn't I had to. So what are we talking about? Thanks, Chico. It's funny I was actually mulling that on my, we, we hear best practices a lot in this work. And I think that's the central question. Who sets best practices in this work? Is that a a community judgment? Or is that a judgment? not inclusive of the community? And I think you know, in in these rare instances where we disagree with the department. it comes to that question, who who determines best practices, you know. yeah, Milan, I see the hand. Thank you, Daniel. I agree with Hadassa, and what you Co. Just just said. Also, heard that this person was suffered trauma and an apology while necessary, doesn't repair trauma. I'm also very concerned about that. as I as I mentioned that we are.

[67:02] you know every one of us is at risk of being traumatized by this kind of behavior. And how? How do we repair that? And how do we repair the trust in in, in a situation like that is very concerning to me that this was not sustained. not knowing much more. But I trust the judgment of had us on all the other panelists there. So yeah, just wanted to raise again. I heard trauma. That's very concerning for me. thanks, Milan. Victor. I see the hand. Yes. yeah. Just a question for future case review. So we get the disposition from the police side of things before we review the case. If there's an instance where the Monitor has their own opinion. Can we also get that before we review the case? Or is that

[68:00] that's not an established standard. Sometimes we find out before. And when we had, Joey. Sometimes it's in the process. So I'm just wondering about that. Yeah, thanks, Victor. Hello! The process they in this kind of case that the panel reviewed. The final police department disposition is done after the panels. review and recommendation, so the Department only makes a final disposition. After reviewing the panel's recommendation. And or in this case it's rare. But the Independent Monitor made a separate recommendation, and then the Department responds in writing with their final disposition and their response to the policy recommendations in cases that the panel decides. It is in cases that the panel is not reviewing. The Monitor has the opportunity under the statute to provide independent recommendations. if if warranted that that differ from the chain of command, recommendations to the chief.

[69:14] and I turn it over to Teresa. Because. yeah. Victor, thanks for that question. in this particular case, and given that the past concerns around a sense that you were you? As the panel were not appropriately informed that the Independent Police Monitor excuse me that. Yes. The Independent Police Monitor at the time was going to present different findings. it was our take as AI, our group and husband for some time that a collaborative which is best. I was able to provide my particular findings. Memo to the 3 panel members who had reviewed the case. I also ensure that

[70:03] a while we're we're in disagreement, perhaps with what my findings or our findings were, as the Monitor were. that they were well advised of, of my rationale of the perspective that we were bringing to the table, in addition to lifting their own concerns in their own memo, and having an opportunity to review those so to me and to Oi, our group hopefully to the Monitor that comes into this position. I think there is space and opportunity to provide a lot of back and forth have that collaborative space to be able to become aware of what will be presented to the Department prior to that memo beans. Thanks, Teresa, and this might actually be an opportunity to one of the things I wanted to mention today, we've made 2 to procedural adjustments to how we do cases. and the first one we asked our group

[71:08] and Bpd. To follow up with the reviewing committee, for the committee to review, follow up communications with complaints, and so In this case this is the first time we did it Teresa provided the review committee the chance to review her follow up with the complainant, and then Alice there also provided his follow up as well, so that the the panel gets the opportunity to check and review how we're being represented back to complaints. And then the second thing we're working on as well. and and flow is has started working on with the police department is a tracking document of all of our policy recommendations. And so that's to make sure we can follow up on policy recommendations down the road to make sure that Nothing falls, you know, falls between the cracks that we're tracking all those recommendations and requests for more information with the department.

[72:01] So those are 2 small adjustments. And and I want to raise those 2 in particular is to remember we're only really 2 years into this. And so any opportunity to help improve the process. You know we just have to ask the question, and we can take it to the Governance Committee to to do it in the bylaws. We can make it a request to Bpd or to the Monitor. you know we this process is is ready to be pro proactively. improved as we go. yeah, flow. I just want to say 2 things, and we've been doing. I. Our group has been involved in this for 8 over 8 months, I think, and there's only been 2 instances where the in a case that the panel reviewed, where the Monitor disagreed with something the panel did to the extent that it was that we felt that we were going to write a separate memo. In both those cases we shared the perspective with the reviewing panel.

[73:02] probably up, I mean, I know I did it at the time of the after the panel. being a disciplinary recommendation. And the I the I have gone back throughout the 2 years of the panel and tracked all this policy recommendations. It's up to date and the I sent it to the professional standards unit within the police department because there were gaps in the. In some cases there was no response that I could find even in cases where the lack the 2021 annual report said that there was a policy response. I couldn't find it. So they are working on that. And they. the police department, is aware that the goal of the panel is to publicize. It's record a policy recommendations and the department's response, which is why we gave them the opportunity to try to fill it. The blanks somewhere now throughout its, you know, in their responses.

[74:12] which is a way that docs already working. So thank you. panelists, any other final thoughts comments. I'm also going to suggest that we go ahead and power through to the end without a break and go through public comment. But I'm going to wait 30 s on that. If you would like us to take a break. Shoot me an anonymous message. I won't call anybody out but also want to make sure if someone does need to but take a break. We do it. So, watching my messages and hold for a second in case anyone else has any further comment with the independent monitors record and for so for public disclosure, just a reminder. based on a vote we took in our last meeting the panel decided to do a temporary mode moratorium on new

[75:04] on the new case reviews and any other work on the panel that's not related to updating the ordinance, the panelists continuing to review cases that it had committed to prior to that vote, and tomorrow evening City Council will be discussion. We'll be discussing the moratorium so just raising that up for public disclosure. and thank you to far, and everyone working on the ordinance. because I know we're all here to review cases in the end and look forward to resuming full activity. In that case we'll move over to public comment. Give me just a second to my notes. So for members of the public. Oh, thanks, Teresa. Oh, mister, So for public comment Every member of the public will be asked if they'd like to comment this evening and unmuted, so that you can answer the. If you would like to get comment, members, the public, you will get 2 unimpeded minutes to do so. If there is an interruption or loss of connection, we will stop the clock for you and restart which you get back in.

[76:14] I will give you a verbal notice of time at 20 s to the end of your time. I'm also going to put a timer up on this on the shared screen as well. at 2 min we will ask our city staff facilitator to mute your feed. It's nothing personal we just want to be. We want to be fair. And so at the end of the 2 min you will be muted and then panelists. You can offer short responses at the end of a comment. Just go ahead and chat me, or at the end I'll I'll double check to see if anyone has anything to say but Just want to keep in mind, though this is primarily the time of the community, and so we don't want to shut out their voices by speaking more than community members. But certainly when we get questions or queries we can, we can jump in and answer those as well.

[77:01] can we have the sergeant? Okay, so we have our timer on the screen. And then. Amy, if we could start with amber, Elise Carlson. and Amber, if you could unmute. Would you like to give a comment this evening? Hi! No, I am with the daily camera. So I am just listening in this evening. But thank you, I appreciate it. Thanks so much number. We really appreciate you being here and covering our work next up. If we can have any Lynn Siegel Lynn, if you want to unmute, would you like to get comment?

[78:04] Lynn? We have the timer up and your 2 min as we got it, Daniel. I would like to see the other Board members if I cannot. I am not speaking. Lynn. If you want to adjust the settings on your screen. You can I don't I? I have never been in this situation, and I go to 5 zooms a day. Thank you. Len, you you have a minute and 30 s to go. Well, I guess we're gonna run down the clock, aren't we, Daniel? Then you should be able to click on the top right of your screen, and there's a view. Nope, Nope, that is not correct. Is there anyone else on this meeting that can do that? Please speak up. Do you see a timer right now? I see the timer filling the screen. Great. So are you on a phone, or are you on a laptop. Oh, I'm on a macbook here. Okay? So I don't know what it looks like on the top of my screen is in the very far right hand corner. Yeah, I know. I always see that you can click on gallery, and I cannot.

[79:13] The format is not allowing me to do that. I'm I'm being honest with you. I believe you. I don't have advice for you on what to do with the Mac. It's a you options fit to window 5,100 100 up to 300. Feel full exit full screen. That's all. It says you have 20 s plan. If you'd like to give your if you can't get your act together so that I can like every other city board, I can see who I'm addressing. So just you know you're just not inviting me to speak. Sorry about that, Daniel, but it's not my problem.

[80:03] Amy. Let's bring on Martha. Martha. If you want to unmute. Would you like to give comment this evening? yes, sure. Hi! Everybody! I was very excited by the meeting. Yesterday that took place. It was an intro, but there was a lot of organization and thought put into the timeline and health constructed. So I just wanted to give kudos for that And then for the remainder of my time, I just wanted to share in the heartbreak for the Jordell Richardson family. Aurora, Pd. you know killed a child. I know there's some semantics. But since I'm just a citizen sharing the societal grief that accompanies that I just wanted to be very clear

[81:07] that the time for humanity is before a gun comes out, not just after This child deserved consequences for his actions, not a coffin On Friday the family will be doing a procession that will run through the capital. So they are gathering for a demonstration of the capital. But. You know, we shouldn't be following a hearse in that sort of situation. And I just I don't want that to continually happen for people. so this work is so important, and when everything's on fire, I just hope that everything can be pulled together so that the real work and meet of this

[82:03] can actually be done. Thank you. Thanks so much, Martha and panelists. She'll stop my share. Panelists, any any follow up? Thank you. One question. Would we be able to share that event on our website just to sort of. you know, pro promote. And or is that I' to? I'd have to check in with the communication and engagement department. They do. Typically don't post information external to city organized. I've been having the same struggle with getting all of our advertising for all the Juneteenth events across the county. Okay, so, but I can certainly check. I'm happy to ask.

[83:01] Okay. thanks, Amy. And maybe that's had. Also that just reminded me. At the beginning of the panel we had asked the question about a dedicated social media feed for for the up for the police oversight. I don't. I cannot remember where that went, or if we ever followed up on that, but that your that comment makes me think of that? because I think we'd specifically thought about twitter although I don't know how many of us would like to be on Twitter at the moment. but may I, if there is some some other opportunity? maybe Communications Committee, that if that's something to add to your agenda at some point I will left left up. But no other panel or board in the city has their own social media avenues. so I'm not sure that that would be approved. However, I'm not sure if there's another creative solution that the communication engagement subcommittee wants to come up with.

[84:08] Thanks, Amy. Thank you. Analyst. Any other thoughts, comments, concerns really hope to see all next Wednesday at the library. otherwise. Thank you so much for being here. and see you soon as we get the work going. Have a good night, everyone. Oh.