January 13, 2022 — Police Oversight Panel Regular Meeting

Transcript

Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:10] take it away. awesome welcome everyone. Martha is going to be helping me out i'm a little bit sick and so she'll be giving good talking breaks for my throat, which is great and so i'll start with our land acknowledgement so acknowledged. The arapaho you in cheyenne tribes traditional custodians of the land on which the police oversight panel and boulder police department operate and pay our respects to their elders past and present. And just to start also I should say Happy New Year to everyone. I know it's been also a hard time for the Community with the fires and just want to open a space, if anyone wants to share how they're feeling or how they're doing and give you guys all minute here.

[1:10] we're not sure to that's good and then a few things also just in terms of logistics so for the chat function I don't know if you saw Daniels really helpful meeting procedures document that he made and has put in the sharepoint. But we are going to use limit chat us unless it's direct one on one conversation and that's just because we've been missing out on. kind of full conversations that are happening or questions that are happening in the chat and we just want to encourage panelists to either raise their hand save it or if you're just talking to one person specifically just to direct it to them. And then. Yes, station. To that point excellent point, I wonder if there's a function, I know at the cpw Commission meeting that we had today.

[2:01] When our zoom there's like a node chat function and i'm wondering if we could potentially have that that has that or like with the Q amp a option. So that there is an opportunity, but so that way, it would just kind of mitigate this voltage you know so again I just i'm just offering another way another agency. Another protocol that they use. Sure yeah I don't know i'm not enough of a tech whiz to. even begin to know zoom functions, but joey perhaps we can look into. That. And I think that Victor has volunteered for this meeting to kind of monitor the chat reminding panelists of that and also if there's any members of the public kind of directing them to using the Q amp a function, so he can directly respond to them. Another thing too is. That Daniel and be a little bit more of sticklers about attendance so as of now. What our role say is that panel members will make the effort to miss no more than 25% of panel meetings or training sessions.

[3:07] To not miss consecutive monthly meetings and participate in at least one case review for three months, and if you're having an issue with that we have the calendar that we've sent out so if you see an issue that already coming to light. Yes, Daniel send out the calendar mm hmm um, and so I would communicate with us up front with the Co chairs to if you also are looking at that, and you already know you have a wedding or you have a you know, a family gathering or some work functions. Just to give us a heads up I think that'll be a lot easier and we will make sure to also keep that calendar updated and rotating it amongst everyone as it changes each month. So yeah, so I think that's the biggest thing and then now we're going to go to completion of panel bylaws hopefully right for the, the last time.

[4:06] The latest version was sent and daniel's email yesterday, and I was wondering if hadassah you would be up for kind of taking the editing process today, just as you were involved with it and are more familiar with the document if that works for you. I can definitely do the editing I am not. i'm currently on the call on my phone and I will be having the document on my computer, so I won't be set up for sharing, but I can definitely do that but editing. A mess up. Or, I can hop out and hop back in if you want me to I think that's I think that's totally fine Joe do you mind. Sharing your screen with it, do you. Or do you want me to make Casa co host or someone else a Co host who's going to share the screen. Or did you want me to whoever's typing it should probably sharing the screen.

[5:02] that's what i'm thinking. Is that is that a pain for you to jump off and. log back in on your. connector. Now so i'll just pause and do that just I think since you're more familiar with the document that'd be. Great i'll make you a Co host so when you come back on so you'll be able to share your screen. One second. Also, if I forget to take a break at seven please remind me that you guys need a break and also. In the meantime, while we're waiting for her to join back, I just wanted to point out that we do have a city administrative person. Taking our notes tonight that was a discussion that we had in the past about hi Cindy who who should be taking the notes and whether the monitor should be doing that or not, and so. I think the panel had expressed interest in having a uninvolved city administrative person doing that and so that's what we'll be doing now Cindy will be doing that for us tonight, thank you Cindy.

[6:19] Well, I think, wait for her DASA to I should. Have a look at the calendar so i'm incorporating in this meeting, a lot of the survey results that was sent out at the end of last month the survey, and so our meetings, for now, are going to be the second Thursday of every month, which has been. What that's what we've done this last year and that works for majority of people, but if that doesn't I think we need to have a conversation about that. Like here now and kind of work that out, and then also there was a proposal to switch from seven to nine rather than six to eight kind of avoiding.

[7:02] Prime dinnertime and three people's that that would not work for them and that's Another thing we need to figure out so maybe before we jump into bylaws we can have a discussion about calendar and timing for the upcoming year. Thank you, I would also like to add a conversation around like the. opportunity for the committee chairs to meet with the monitor as well, so I noticed that most of those meetings are just with the Co chairs, and so I wanted to offer perhaps on a quarterly basis. Also, if we can include the quarterly meetings with the chief, even if we don't have a date is to just have a DVD as a placeholder. As far as timeline for me or a time frame, I prefer 630 to. 836 30 to 830. And then I would offer that as an alternative. How do people feel about 630 to 830.

[8:03] On the second Thursday of the month. A little bit easier to balance what you know, having. Children. That was the consideration. Is the 630 to 830 is are saying is easier less easier to balance. it's easier to balance the seven to nine. Okay. i'm happy with the time as it is. Can you make 630 day 30 work. yeah now for me six to eight is fine. Okay anyone else. For me later is better, so I would prefer seven to nine, but I do 630 to 830 that's fine.

[9:02] The second Thursday to people who said that does not work for them. I mean i'll distract the crosswalk with my calendar, as I said, I had a dp Colorado wildlife Commission meeting today, they tend to fluctuate but they tend to lean on Thursday so. it's been a challenge to have to toggle both of them, in addition to other things that tend to land on this day so i'll crosswalk it if it's more than 25% on that. sounds great Okay, so I think, for now, then we're going to go 630 to 830. majority of the panel wanted a later time but I want to make sure we were commentating for people who had hesitations and it will be the second Thursday of the month, and then. Look at that calendar when you have a second, and let me know if you think there's already meetings you're not going to be able to make and just shoot Daniel and I an email, which would be great. had also we can go to bylaws.

[10:02] Excellent. i'm sorry before we move on, did you get the pieces about the quarterly. meeting that the chief and quarterly opportunity to meet had the monitor have a monitor co chair and committee chair meeting. yep I took I took me down for that. Thank you. All right, sorry, here we go. Can everyone see that. figure here.

[11:01] Is the size okay can everyone see. me scrolling. The text so good okay. And so. We are, this is just references definitions. We have the rubric still that is in red. which I believe is mainly from our other notes um. I need this is about where we are is here, Section four. Yes. Okay. So.

[12:01] let's just jump on and do we, the for the rubric I believe that this was coming. Sorry, let me just get oriented here. references. So all of this is basically the next part is a removal of this is going through. step back a little bit where we are is in our full case review of our complaints. Is that part of the bylaws right, so we have done. sections a and then be we're actually going to be eliminated, because that is a part of.

[13:07] isn't what we need to include here. So I can read the notes out in case we need a. separate section of the policy it under consideration for public feedback and to clarify it is not an official policy. That will be taken out and. So we are here in the removal of this part, so what was suggested is removal of the disposition categorization section this whole part where talks about sustained that's a scene unfounded exonerated. Any thoughts on this i'll give you guys a second to read you the notes there.

[14:12] I have a question are these. covered in the. ordinance. Like dictionary section of like what are the words are defined in in this thing. Because I don't like for us to be able to say and have the same shared meaning. Right right so here are our definitions. um. No, they are not listed in the definitions here I believe they are in the ordinance. There I think we had talked about the I talked about linking these to the document where they're defined in the police departments manual so that, if that were to ever change our document would stay up to date.

[15:04] I believe that's where we left that conversation. How do we. feel about that. These are like really important terms that we use often, so I would, I would like it a little closer to the document I don't want to have to have them go another quick to find it, although I do hear the evergreen nature of having the last click through curious other panelists. yeah I kind of go back and forth um I like. Having the definitions in here and close you know easily findable but if it is a live link. That would also change with, in reality, what our definition would be what the working definition would be and what we would go with.

[16:06] That might be. I feel better if it's if it's an. easily accessible live link and something that is. truer to what is currently in use, but is also still we're not losing our accessibility is kind of where my thought is that people. Like keeping these in these terms are not common turn going to hear some of these. Even before my working a candle. comfort zone. And I also. it's also making me think now. If what's below it.

[17:00] And I only asked that because now we have a situation where we might enter one sort of finding and then the chief might enter a different finding. So maybe like the distinction of like actually flat out pointing out that it's what pop has decided for for our notes, but that's just a thought. After the fact of recent events. I would also point out that these categories are pretty stable I wouldn't expect these to change frequently are. Often, and it wouldn't be there would be a lot of discussion about them changing so there may be a lower risk of. Keeping these in and having the problem having the situation where they the definitions change compared to some of the other definitions that we have that that could change more over time. I wouldn't expect these to necessarily change, certainly not frequently.

[18:10] Okay, should we just do a. Simple vote keeping or remove. Just my screen, so I can see everyone here all right let's do. Yes to. remove it to keep what would. make a motion. Yes, yes. i'll make a motion to. retain the language as originally written. and reject the edit of Papa. Yes. That motion. yay for rejecting. yeah.

[19:12] Just have three so far. yeah so I guess in and reject that. And then we'll have the record. will have the record of the request you know for changing in the Google. Change log. So what else is doing that can I be like a weirdo there's like a weird. vibe happening right now, before class.

[20:02] i'm kind of wondering if we get around a little bit by like just rolling their shoulders and coming back into the space taking a deep breath and getting into the present moment I know it's not necessarily fun stuff but we got to get through it. word. chat is joining us it's given us nice bags. And now, thank. Okay, good. All right, so. Let me go here. So Aaron added something about timeliness. Basically referencing the. How quickly, we have to complete our investigations so.

[21:03] We basically we say we are, we have to have our investigation complete by X number of days, and if we're going to be taking longer than that for any number for any specific reason will give the chief of police some type of notice. that it will be completed within the next 30 days basically a 30 day extension from that. Further note. yo yo what is our average turnaround. Like. Probably in the range of about 21 days more like three weeks when we first started talking about this time frame, I think we were talking, we were saying we should aim for two weeks 14 days. So we're probably going a little bit past that each one, but the department has been understanding about it so far and hasn't necessarily made it a problem or pushed to do it quicker.

[22:14] What do you say it takes longer to get people to decide who's going to be on which panel like. that's usually the delay on our part is just the scheduling. Even once we've identified the three people to be on it it'll often take us a couple more days or a week or so, to get it scheduled. But sometimes just the nature of trying to schedule things with the folks who have busy lives and jobs. So so would it be appropriate to be. To have two periods there, the first part, and the last part 30 days, and why not be consistent.

[23:01] You select two days. Before to do everything, then 21 days to inform the chief or whatever i'm just saying that. I find it odd that you have two different tools. yeah. Not quite sure why there's a number, here we don't have a number here's is what you're saying. yeah yeah. They taking one for us to find a number, but I would concur that going to martha's earlier comment about the previous case that had additional layer So sometimes things can extend longer because there's additional layers that get put on depending on the complexity of the case. And so I would hate to tie us in However I would offer that we could put something in there does around our for our own accountability around identify the panel by a week's time.

[24:04] We have a little bit more accountability and I did the five panelists but other than that, I would say, within a reasonable time and. yeah. And this might be a. discussion that we have with the larger group. But if if. I would wonder if the holdup is tends to be us deciding who's on the panel if we just have a random you know feature the next three people it's by you know, a designated schedule and you just get the next one that comes up. I don't necessarily love it, but if if. You know. And I an option to discuss and explore is all I would is all I would say it becomes a constant issue for us.

[25:07] anyways okay so um. I will say I like the idea I do think it's a little bit more complicated than this paragraph is saying. And I think it might be more appropriate to kind of table and. Make that, like the next governance issue or the first governance issue.

[26:05] Establish.

[27:08] I think it might be instead of investigation, put the word reveal. And then maybe like assignment and completion, because I feel like there's two there's two different. timeliness at least two sometimes three different things there. A target timeline for. machine. To.

[28:08] Maybe it should be assigning panelists instead of establishing panelists I think that was mark those recommendations without right Martha signing loosen. up, although I did want to add that I believe our original rationale for not doing the random assignments was there were maybe people that have particular expertise related to a case so. I would love to still include that latitude for if there are people that panelists that wants to join a panel because there's nothing that prohibited panel from being four people instead of three. yeah. yeah I think. The.

[29:11] I will take a look. Here we go preparing for case review. So basically it's saying that we need at least three Members. We do leave it open for the ability to add more. Excellent excellent and do we have it here sorry, while we're here and it applies to both but there have been instances instances where we've gone to the full Panel for additional kind of like. You know if something is is is more complex, or we need that additional expertise and we go to the full panel, I just wanted to, I noticed that that was something that I feel like we kind of added on it kind of happened, naturally I don't blame them make sure it was awkward.

[30:10] it's good point T shirt I don't see any. Put a note in there, we can. find it no. I decided to make sure that. As I said, as we're moving through it, things are happening right oh wait. I didn't know we could have an extended remix in another thing. Thank you.

[31:03] And that's another one that we were going to come back to you okay. let's go back to where we were okay so. Is that OK, for now, and basically that will allow us to. Do it via the governance panel and add this. move on from this now, how do we feel about that. I think we can build on it at this point. Okay. yeah yes for the changes not this change, let me remove that but just this top part. yea. yea 234. awesome fine Thank you everyone you're awesome okay.

[32:01] Okay. Perfect this next one communication of final decision. give you guys a second to read that show the main changes are. See. I can click on our comments, so we can see what Aaron said their moral. yep. Thank you. So the changes basically changing it from. The mention of a regular public report to our annual report that is already mentioned in our ordinance. Right, but nothing in the ordinances we cannot also add additional reporting so.

[33:01] Right. Correct. More transparency sorry oh. No, no that's it yeah totally fine, I also want I did Laura have a comment on this as well, or just hearing. i'm up here we go. Okay yeah Thank you. Yes. Let me know when you're ready to scroll down. well. Well, there it is. Those are the questions we really need answers to but I don't know that it's us that can get that.

[34:04] yeah get those answers. To the PDF decide whether or not to release it. I feel like that's something. That might be helpful at our. next meeting with the chief to bring that up. And so much just want to flag there. But I think. I think the language, personally, I feel comfortable the language that was added. That was the 25th correct. Yes.

[35:00] Okay. Alright, so the next thing corrective. Action provision. So. decision. Prompt. panel recommend. Okay, so um yay to accept changes. Perfect excellent Thank you. um there was i'm almost wondering, I know, and one of the ones that we, I was on recently. We opted for.

[36:02] Like recommending. consecutive. Rather than concurrent. That just a sentence in there as well, or maybe, adding that somewhere into the wording. So Martha that did actually come up in the one of the cases i'll be reporting out on the outcome tonight it's a week I can talk a little bit more about that issue, but he says, part of the response was current in the current. department. Rules and Procedures manual and the. Collective bargaining agreement with the Union, it does not speak to this notion of consecutive letters. So I was thinking that maybe something we want to address like in a recommendation to the department and the annual report, but it does not appear like, at this moment, that would be something that.

[37:03] could be done, and so I probably wouldn't want to put it in the bylaws for now until we actually made a recommendation and got the department to change that and allow that. But I do think it's something that the panel, you know it makes sense to pursue. I also want to jump in and we probably have about 10 to 15 more minutes to spend on this tonight, so if we want to try to power through, I think we should try to as much as we can, and hopefully finish, but just want to flag that forever and timeline. Okay, so. Do we want to. add a note to this now, or do we want to kind of. I think we can probably circle back after hear more from from joey on that. Okay perfect Thank you.

[38:01] Right. Okay, so let's go ahead and. We have accepted the changes there this looks like we already. This section. here. I think we decided to keep that so that's fine. All right, let me see I think this is the last little bit, let me just kind of scan and see how much we have left of.

[39:03] So we have privacy and confidentiality. will have a little bit in the communication section and then that is pretty much it Okay, so I think it's definitely feasible let's look at this privacy and confidentiality okay so section a anonymity of the complaint. There was a. deletion of this. Let me see if there's any more moments. say. I. Think it's mostly just that it was kind of more a reason for anonymity, as opposed to anything else.

[40:02] And so panel's thoughts are. Deleting. Section. I mean, I think, if someone pulled up this document and they are specifically looking for anonymity and. Debating amongst themselves, it might be helpful to see different reasons that have been considered but i'm not like. Can I think one of the things that you know, we have been striving for for throughout the document is usability by the public, and so I appreciate the context and.

[41:05] You know I will be fine either way, I think, having more being having more context makes these documents, much more readable and understandable. Okay, so um. yea days to accept rejection. Know i'm making emotion not good. Yes, yeah I was gonna say so nays nays, we are not accepting this rejection note to the. Know to the update basically. Okay, they go together. yeah NO to the edit. we're rejecting their suggested edit.

[42:00] Correct yes nays. hands raised. In a vote, so we did, yes, we have one yay. Where i'm confused. Okay. What are we voting for. To accept or reject the the thing, so if it is a yay we're accepting the proposed edit if it is a name, we are rejecting the proposed it. got it. sorry that clear. Good Okay, once again, starting over yes to accept the edit. Okay means to reject that it. Excellent names habits. Okay.

[43:02] Section to catch up and then here's another one from our two will be anonymous complaints will be advised think that's fair it's mostly just dramatic goal any reject any opposition into accepting that change. Okay, moving along and accepting it all right, and last one, so I think this looks like another contextual paragraph give you guys a second to read it. yeah. I think we need to flat out say it. Because if they don't give away the contact back, that is not a way to contact back. yeah and I think we kind of mentioned it here from a lack of secondary contact beyond.

[44:06] So. Okay, so yay is to accept the edit. needs to reject the edit. Thank. You accept or reject right. Yes, yes. To accept. me to reject us yes. Three four days okay names. And abstain Okay, I think we are for accepting the edit, which means we are removing this paragraph.

[45:02] here. To three quorum. Is three four. yeah we're good. For. That, then, we. don't have enough oh. Wait. We had three here this. One there's only five minutes here. Oh sorry. Sorry. you're good you're good okay. i'm. Okay. All right, last little one. Okay, so this recommendation is.

[46:00] Police criminal history with background and circumstances, including any criminal. To accept this rejection or this suggestion. Wait. Yes to accept. Another second. yeah. i'm sorry but there's an amendment for the The amendment is background and releases criminal history, or are we. Right and that's where i'm confused. yeah so. The other one. is to take out criminal history and say. A complainants background and circumstances, including criminal acts will not be will not influence the outcome of fair judgment recommendations drinker yeah. Right and not just criminal history but kind of expanding.

[47:00] Okay, thank you very much. um alright So yes to accept. minute complaints contain. This next one. is an addition. From Laurel. Yes to accept the change. Thank you. for Members to panelists.

[48:05] Okay. So we have another change. So in addition. To the boulder revised Code. Yes to accept. Yes, have it, thank you. Okay.

[49:01] don't see. any reason for this it's just. The only tricky part about that one I think is you know we still are citizens and have a right to our own free speech, so we don't want to put anything in here that's going to contradict that. yeah. I don't. I don't I feel like that sometimes is a little clunky and i'm not.

[50:00] yeah i'm. Getting in. right there like i'm struggling with the intent behind the sentence. yeah I am kind of there with you. kind of hanging with. The selected panel Member yeah which selected. pin. I think we can probably vote on this and whether we like and keep it out or keep it in at this. Okay, so, though, to accept the suggestion. whoa whoa. Okay, good. All right. Okay.

[51:01] screen that you only have five and live there, because of. That seven because you're infusing. Okay. So it is, for we were good on the last one. You only. So, just to clarify the core on this for is five four to just to just to be able to take a vote, yet they have five people present to take a vote. But the vote itself is just a majority vote, so you don't. have to majority vote okay. yeah cool yeah. Okay, so would. For four. Okay, thank you yeah. Out of seven yeah. Seven Okay, I thought we said. Six all right. I got it. No worries we're good we're good. Okay, so um. We have a roll call in the beginning. Oh, because that would be helpful.

[52:00] That would be there. Yes. Okay, then we. Did. With the number. So let's add that to the next time, but no worries Thank you and sorry about that. No you're good you're good okay. So this is just give you a second to read their. digital age and other tools as needed period. yay to accept the change. Okay we're good yes heaven except. So the next suggestion is to change from prioritize to develop and follow our communications plan. Not necessarily and removal of with the Community. Can we do one, at a time.

[53:00] Yes, definitely um so let's vote on the first suggestion to replace prioritize with develop and follow yes. Okay. All right, and second, to delete with the Community. I would like to make an edit there for. Maybe like in collaboration with so that it's not so it's still the panel has the voting over the actual plan, but there is opportunities for input with the Community, and we want that we want to be held accountable to that. Okay engagement so that's where i'm going with it, but i'm not you know i'm open to any suggestions that makes that more they sound a little better for the intent. Okay, so maybe.

[54:03] I don't I guess I don't really feel like you need to say Community here when. The public reporting implies that we are speaking to the Community, I think, and so I think what. You just said about. Sure, so I think in terms of who our plan, who are we're speaking to where Community panels speaking to the Community and I don't know if adding in the word Community here with communications is going to clarify anything, or just look for done this. So this is actually for the development of the plan itself and the intent of that was. As the plan is being developed before we finalize that we actually get input from the Community before we finalize so that is the intention of with Community here, as opposed to reporting to the Community, which is mentioned later, thank you.

[55:00] But I show you want something after the Web developer right. Something like the panel will develop in consultation with. Yes, there, it is said that that's what my intention was Thank you. So, then, I would like to propose that, as an edit since. it's going to vote on, for the change. And I understand the confusion around, but if we still need to vote, so I make a motion that we approve the language in court collaboration with the Community and delete with the Community from the suggestion from. What does follow a strategic plan in. That was their language we just added that i'm finally just develop the thing a plan and then we'll follow it. That was definitely just voted on. Now that you've added this part, now that we've added this part, though it doesn't it loses its context so i'd be fine with eliminating that as well excellent catch.

[56:12] Okay, so. Something like. I don't know how to do that fancy delete thing. Also, we are at five minutes. Thank you. So something like this is when i'm thinking removing what I have highlighted, because I don't know how to do that little highlight thing so we're just gonna. Sorry you're muted tasha.

[57:00] Right, it would just be and follow that getting deleted and with the Community, but a strategic communications plan would remain so, the panel in development there with. Communication and communication. collaboration with the Community to share information collect feedback and improve communication practices. yeah. period yeah that's what we're going for about I thought we said consultation, although i'm not sure if can we have a conversation about consultation versus collaborative collaboration or put a pin in it. We could you consultation. Collaboration just feel a little bit i'm not sure if it's that depth that the level of depth I don't want i'm going to manage expectations so yeah. My consultation. That are, I think that's a good word suggestion patient okay. Well i'm. kiko but. yeah do we want to blow a consultation versus collaboration so let's do a consultation. yeah i'm gonna make a motion for consultation.

[58:00] Okay. I. said I get a second. yep. And then. Okay. So. Until stations and. Community limiting and collaboration sounds Community liberating i'm just saying. So. let's vote on it, and also, since you have the motion for. The promotion for yay. Okay, so. Before we vote. Yes, yeah usually to be you know, we would have time to discuss before we vote I think that's. Before we vote. This whole pause for a minute and think through this because, like managing expectations, so what are you, what are we envisioning this consultation, whether it's consultation or collaboration.

[59:05] Collaborative whichever, what are we. Well, when you heard when you when you initially raised the option confrontation in my mind, I was thinking, and when I suggested that the Community, I was thinking, the. opportunity to do, obviously public comment on the draft as well as to you know hold some public meetings on you know just what the public would like to hear what the public would like to do reporting. What do you want to know right oftentimes these plans are written in a silo, and these are the types of things we're trying to break down. So you know I know that there's been challenges with our communication externally, as we are building the plane, as we are flying it and i'm really excited about the number of capable caseload we've been able to manage. In addition to flying you know building the plane and so. You know, again I want to make sure that those transparency mechanisms are ongoing.

[60:05] And throughout all of our committees, and I think this one is such an important one, that we need to hear from them what are their expectations that I would even open to you know, one of the things I was. Planning on doing for our upcoming communication committee meeting and outreach committee meeting was. Asking the public a you know whether it's an exemplar you have you know, have you know strategic communication plan so that we can you know build from the the collective knowledge of this Community so. that's why i'm thinking consultation, however, I do concur with martha's comment around collaboration being you know, certainly much more you know regulated kinder more collaborative again, but I when I hear collaborative I think. A certain level of depth a depth and so again. But i'm okay.

[61:01] sounds good at least we're all on the same bottom in terms of what we're thinking. So it's time for a five minute break and I think with this discussion. that's happening, I actually think it might be good to stop here and that maybe we have. The outreach program on the agenda next month, and we pick up. a wonderful. Presentation of what that is looking like. With. The finishing up the bylaws and the public reporting section I might kind of. fit in well together and give us a framework to have this discussion, but I want to make sure we get through everything else. And so we're going to stop here today at. 5.2 we are going to have to vote next time on consultation versus collaboration and we will have the outreach committee kind of give the rest of the panel a summation of where they're at in February so let's take our five minute break and come back here at 707 please Thank you.

[67:42] alrighty the five minutes go by so fast. I am going to pop in just with a couple of updates I know before the holidays, we were talking about the panel retreat, so we can kind of.

[68:00] just get together and everything that is what one out in the vote, but with the numbers being what they are everything's kind of been postponed. So we are going to have to push it back. But we would like to cover maybe something via zoom. Just more by getting to know you kind of start that you're afraid building relationship with one another, so that we can have these rough discussions and kind of get things out on the table. In an ironic fashion, I will take a temperature check about that what kinds of things do you want to see. What would it feel good to to do anyone have any ideas. I think it being largely unstructured would be nice just kind of you know, an hour of gathering and getting to know one another, more on a personal level, but I loved the exercise we did with.

[69:04] Last name is kind of explain or explain the origin of your name, and I think something like that would be a great way kind of to start, but I think kind of just some free free time to get to know one another, would be awesome too. love it love it. Are you thinking. Like early in the month. we're still talking about the kinds of things we wanted to see. Okay. And also just wanted to open up as I noticed, you know, a sort of open invite you know susie and Victor voice into the space. If there's anything that you're you know I always respect and appreciate the perspective that you bring so certainly don't want to lose your voices in this.

[70:09] meeting at the same time, I know you know hey if you've got anything i'm sure you will tell us at another time, but if something comes I would hate to just you know not. have to come back. to that. Is there any money in the budget to hire an external facilitator. Or the retreat yeah. I think we had talked about that, and we would we could do that I had proposed that as an option, but I, if I remember correctly, I think the panel had decided for the treat not to have a facilitator and have. Each panel Member. sort of handle each segment of the retreat but that's totally up to you all, if you all decide you want a facilitator, we can I hadn't I hadn't gotten approval for that, so we can do that.

[71:03] And I just offer that again and I apologize if that was voted on previously but. You know, again just been through many different retreats and having and i'm fine for having different panelists take on different components, but having that external expertise is absolutely. You know, would really be helpful, and also to have somebody who's neutral, then we know, nobody knows and notice. i've appreciated that in the past, so I would like to revisit that if we haven't already voted on that Thank you. second time, I think. Third party external facilitator, I feel like i'm always pleasantly surprised with that and. yeah I would be willing to see that at a retreat. I think these are great ideas but also we're talking more about the social gathering next month, right now, just because. Though i'm trying. To have to be postponed because of the crime because. Before you.

[72:00] said, we want to do. That I did not, I didn't I didn't hear that before my apologies, I thought we were talking about what we wanted to see at the retreat so. And this heard, oh no I think Martha was asking more about because we have to delay because right now. The survey said that most people want to do it in person. So right now we're trying to think more about what would. Just a zoom gathering look like for people. And what would they want what they want to be structured what they want it to be, you know ice breakers and really trying to get to know one another, more on a personal level. The retreat was. A really. Great way to do that and would have been a great way to be in person and do that and so i'm trying to facilitate some of that even if it's just an hour on an evening kind of. Next month, I still would like us to consider maybe doing some of the retreat work because we don't know when we're going to be able to meet in person, and there are components that we really do need to discuss and clarify.

[73:03] You know, there was certainly the team building aspect of the retreat, but there were also some logistical components around unpacking what we have in the bylaws and starting to. put some of those pieces together, so I would have some concerns if we waited for a time that we don't know if it will exist i've heard that. The numbers are going to go up before they go down, and so I would hate to push out three months, a conversation that really needs to happen by the end of next month. You know this is off script a little bit, but like there's so much that we need to like. Get decided on, I would almost wonder if there's a potential way to like block off half a day to just knock it all out that we actually have some flooding. Because I feel like we're kind of scrambling for the little time that we've got instead of like hammering it all out, and then we have a schedule and then you can do it more efficiently.

[74:05] I mean, I can envision a half day retreat even you know I mean that's you know I the organization I work with our staff retreat has gone virtual and we are doing some really innovative components around that but that's just the reality that we live in, right now, and I, I appreciate the. The recommendation. Other comments that it really does impact, all of us. um yeah I mean I think my preference was definitely for like in person, but that was um. I think we took the scope before oma crown really started to. get up there, and so. yeah I think if we if we can, if we can devote you know, three or four hour, you know, a couple of days half day sort of thing for getting together going through a couple of these things, you know how many of you have a couple of different portions to it.

[75:14] I think that might be kind of. cool kind of good and also help us feel like we're getting caught up and. I always behind the ball. And then some other ways i've seen as well, where like you have to have like a virtual lunch with another panelists or were you just talk and get to know each other, and we all get assigned three people. or talk about a particular article related to the type of work that we're doing and then panelists will get together and talk about it so we're not talking about cases but more so the theory and application so. Again I think there's a lot of creative the creative things that we can do, in addition to that, but certainly appreciate your feedback. And I had wanted it to the input on. Oh, and on that note i'm curious about me this is voter, we have days, where it is actually warm enough to be outside.

[76:05] There are possibilities to have some informal hey we're going to be at the park on this time this day, you know join if you want to have some warm tea or something so I would like to offer that as an alternative, as well. So I think based off this conversation that Daniel nice sand around a doodle with a half day virtual retreat option but also maybe an email ask regarding. Different social gathering events or lunches or virtual kind of issues, we can do for. team building and bonding this upcoming year, so I think we can get an email out about that in the next week. cool Thank you. Okay, so with that the next thing we're going to is tracking hours. joey's gonna jump in here, we have not been tracking our hours, most of us, myself included.

[77:05] And we need to make sure that we're doing that, this year, and especially because so much of us are spending. You know a lot of time here and on our various committees and reviewing cases, and so we want to really make sure that the time is documented and so Joyce Can you give us a little PSA about it again. yeah I didn't really actually have much data, other than what you just said it's just the only thing I guess, I would add, is it's it's helpful for us. When we go out to like do our annual reports and we can report out to the public how many hours you all have been devoting to this to this work. So, and it could also help make the case for raising stipends in the future, which I know the panel has has mentioned before. So yeah it, you know if we could get on track and shout out to Martha and Daniel who have been keeping their hours track, but I know is easy thing to forget about. But I will resend the link in the information on how to do that, and if you have any questions at that point just let me know and i'll walk you through it, but tisha yeah yeah the question.

[78:13] The question was. Related to this, unfortunately. To tracking ah, there was also this will give us additional evidence to support the expansion of the panel i'm sorry this is for the. level of effort and not have worked with special needs to conduct I would I would recommend an expansion. In serious consideration, so thank you. On that note, I will say when the ordinance was being formed, there was a debate whether it should be 11 panel members or nine and they ultimately went with nine so that that was considered so. it's good to think about that that's that's something that can be returned to the. agent will be. Can we have all these committees and it's. still only me not that many of us to serve on committees and. Right yeah.

[79:00] hey Joe quick question related to that if there was a update or amendment that we wanted to make to the ordinance itself can you remind me what the process for that is or would it be. You would have to go to the city council. And you know, there would probably be some memos and stuff provided to the City Council beforehand about whatever it was that you are requesting to change. Some analysis of why you all felt it was necessary, you know, make the case and we'd get it on the agenda and then have the Council vote on them. To adopt adopt the new ordinance. Okay, and that would need to come from the panel or could that come from members of the public or how does is it just restricted to us as panelists. um I mean, I get the public can ask the City Council to do anything I think if if the request came from the public, the Council would then come to the panel and say hey provide us with a memo with you know what your thoughts are on this and.

[80:02] You know, give the Council some guidance and. perspective, and then they would make a vote, I will say it wouldn't be necessarily a quick process, it would probably take a couple of months to go through that process but. That certainly can be done, you. Thank you, I just wanted the information for us in the public, thank you. You got it. Could we, is it possible to get an email or like some text with a reminder of how to exactly log our hours because. Yes, okay. i'm gonna do I forgotten, so the follow up email with those directions again yes. awesome Thank you. You got it. And if it's missing in our bylaws and on the login our p. No it's not something I don't think you all addressed in the bylaws. And then for. A comment I should also add that Daniel and I will make an effort to to remind everyone every month to that you know, towards the end of every month to get your hours in so all set a reminder for myself.

[81:02] OK so moving on to the next, is the naacp meeting that we've discussed for a while and. You know, after the holidays and new year I think it's really time, especially since, from our survey, the majority of panelists would like to move forward with a meeting. And so, Daniel I have kind of a proposal that we, we want to be able to send the naacp a proposal of what a meeting would look like between our two groups. that we can then you know kind of go back and forth and figure out the terms that work for for everyone, and so I wanted to kind of. share the structure that we had in mind see what you guys think about it, what you want to change what you like we don't like. And then kind of go from there with us reaching out to naacp leadership with a formal proposal of what we envision a meeting. And i'm going to start by sharing some of the work sponsors to the survey just kind of generally what were some of the sentiments, so, as I said, majority of people would like to meet, they would like it to be everyone meeting, not just the Co chairs, which was another thing.

[82:17] Some people expressed a preference that we not meet with the naacp until after the outreach plan to ensure that there's no perceived I think preferential treatment for who we meet with. Other people just said that they want to make sure there's an open dialogue on issues facing our Community. figure out a way to fix any bad blood and establish some understanding. and learn and unlearn some interaction challenges, so I think those are kind of, broadly speaking, some goals that panel members have it for what this meeting would look like and so. The culture is met, and then kind of tried to drill that down, and so we would envision proposing to the N double a CP leadership that we would meet next month.

[83:09] For an hour and a half, that there would be no, this would be public, and it would be because of our central the sunshine law in Colorado and it would be online because of coven concerns. We would prefer that there would be no mediator just due to the length of an hour and a half we think a mediator could add a lot of. It could just shorten I think people's ability to actually make contributions and that we think we can kind of monitor this conversation. And I think that agreeing on a neutral monitor between the two groups would be really difficult, we also think that it should be about two minutes per person talking. limits that you can speak as many times as you would like, of course, trying to be aware and conscious of allowing room for all voices, but that each time you speak you speak for two minutes.

[84:06] And another idea we had to was that each side kind of offers a perspective of what they think has occurred here and what they have felt and. That that kind of opens the door for a conversation and figuring out differences and what we agree on what we disagree on. And then other questions that Daniel and I have for you guys to was do we want to appoint a few panel Members speak, or do we want everyone to speak and yeah so that's kind of the skeleton that we have come up with, and now you guys can pick it apart. If the meeting is open to the public is their opportunity for public comment or or keeping it close to that just having it observe only. I think that's a great question I don't know if I have an answer, but I think that's something we can talk about amongst ourselves, and also ask the naacp what they what they think.

[85:14] I don't have a preference in terms of whether or not we have a public comment section I think that I just feel open to hearing what the naacp would like to you know because realistically, we have that in part of all of our meetings so it's like. it's fine, but I don't. yeah it'd be i'd be open to their input and the other comment that I have is i'd like to ensure that when we extend the invitation to the naacp that it is. open to all Members of the naacp and to any like people of the group, not just like select leaders or you know, like we don't want to just talk to like one or two people, we want to talk to.

[86:02] Ideally, as much of that community as as we can. and hope so. that's my only thought, thank you. If it's gonna be open to everybody, then you, you will definitely need the public. Comments spirit. So that everyone is good. yeah. Either your thoughts on the parameters that Daniel and I have outlined to that are sitting well with you and not sitting well. Because I think that's what we're going to propose to them unless there's changes that need to be made. And then get their feedback about how they want the meeting to log in return that to you, but. If you guys have thoughts on on what I just outlined, I definitely hear them. And in lieu of having a moderator, I would like to have like some guiding questions outlined in advance.

[87:05] And it would be helpful to get some intended outcome together as well, that what is, you know I think we said some things that really kind of finding a couple Thank you. I agree with Aisha that I would like to kind of like how Daniel has written the intentions and things for the meetings, it would be like good to have like a group mentality going into this what we want to achieve. yeah I think in controlled setting would be would be great. I think it's definitely important to have a meeting and to have it fairly quickly ever turned her around. And I also think this kind of sets the framework for meetings, you would have with anyone with any group that would want to meet with us. So I think whatever we end up agreeing to do with the N double a CP it's important for us to also do an offer to all groups who want to meet with us.

[88:06] Thank you Martha and that's. Why, I was asking that we really be thoughtful about having it be connected to a communications plan where we've had time and had input and really know what best practices, etc. So I understand when, in the sense of urgency around wanting to meet with them at the same time I would hate to rush. To put together a process that you may not want to replicate moving forward, but I definitely hear you on perhaps this is kind of a pilot of some of the different strategies that we want to consider. But I don't want to lock us into something that we haven't had additional time to put together the Communications Committee will be meeting in the next couple of weeks, but we won't have. time for the Community input etc prior to our meeting with the N double a CP Thank you. So I think feeling this as a pilot which. You know, can can be changed and shifted is is a good model, but I really don't think we can put this meeting off any longer, and that.

[89:04] In it does need to be held next month, and so that is what the goal is going to have dates for, and if the naacp would like to postpone for any reason, I think we can be open to that, but I think we have to. Give them grace and the fact that they have provided us with time as well, and making this decision so that we said we were going to get back to you and we have to figure out our bylaws and. that's what that space and time we've been granted, and I think we just, we need to be considerate as well, but knowing that you know, a pilot. is just the first episode and can be shifted and tweaked for for what works and what doesn't work. And it perhaps it'll be a great way, also for the outreach committee to meet after you know that meeting and say hey this worked really well and this works poorly and all that could be really great as a reflection period so.

[90:01] Thank you. All right, any other comments there. I would say that was just my only hesitation is I wouldn't want to wait until we your comment about waiting until we have that each part but. Other than that i'm good. Great Okay, so I will send an email to naacp leadership. i'll send the panel, a draft kind of of what the proposal is for what a meeting structure would look like and you guys can provide any feedback and we'll get that out within the next week and I think with that we're onto the monitors report. And Thank you everyone and i'll try to do this and should be able to get to this in 10 minutes or so no more than 15 and i'm a focus mostly on the outcome of the case reviews. That that you all have been reviewing over the past month, so the first item, or just a reminder about some upcoming panel meetings we do have the meeting with the chief scheduled for January 25.

[91:01] That will be virtual it'll be open to the public the link will be available on our website think the panel or some members of the panel will be meeting over the next week or so, to identify some topics, or some questions. But that'll be again available to the public the other meeting we're working on scheduling is one with the city manager. Both the panel and the city manager wanted to meet with each other and before the panel had made a request to bring an issue to the city manager, the city manager had actually requested to meet with the panel, just as sort of a get to know you so. It has been difficult to schedule that over the past month with the holidays, with some travel snafu with the fire, but we are still working on that the city manager has clearly indicated her desire to meet with all of you. The next item, as you all know, I attended the national Nicole conference last month December I presented on the city or the actual yet the city's.

[92:01] crisis intervention response team, but this was a week, full of presentations and panels, and so they make a lot of materials available to us at the panel. You know digitally, and so I downloaded a bunch of the stuff that I thought you all might be interested in it might be helpful to you spark some ideas and I created a. folder on our sharepoint site, so you can, if you go to the sharepoint side you'll see a folder Nicole conference. Take a look at all the materials in there when you have time it's a bunch of stuff. But just just some more resources, and if you see, I didn't put everything from the conference, but if you see the you look at the conference. schedule and you there's some there's a topic on there that you really want to know what sort of documents were provided for that just let me know and i'll make sure to get all those to you as well, but it was a very successful conference lots of folks from all over the country. exchanging ideas and networking with each other so learned a lot in the process. Oh yes, Asia. Thank you, this is very helpful up on the site, now we are there any particular presentations that you take a line to some of the issues that we've been encountering or that we may be particularly relevant based on where we are in our panel cycle, if you will.

[93:16] yeah there was one presentation in particular that was about. Reforming and revising existing oversight panels and operations, and it was based on I think berkeley's experienced over the past year or two, so I did put that in there, I thought that would might be particularly helpful to you all. What there's some some documents in there about like the state of the field. there's a couple of reports from other cities, I think that one about how. oversight agencies and entities evolve over time would probably be the one that may be the most helpful for you at this point in in the panel's development and evolution. Can Thank you so see there's a case study here in Denver.

[94:03] yeah I think that's that's the. The report that the Denver monitor did on the George floyd protests in 2020 and the department's response to that was that was a it's an excellent report, there was a number, a number of cities did reports like that New York Chicago la. I do have the reports from all the other cities, if you want any of those, but I just put the Denver one in there, since they were local to us, and thank you you're welcome. Now, the next item on my agenda is just let you all know that. And i've been updating you on this, the past couple of months the mo you that we've been working on that has been provided to the Co chairs those signatures should be coming in. The next day or so, and then the chief has already signed it i've signed it after the Co chair sign it, then it will go to the city manager, for her signature and then we'll be done and official so we're working our way to the end point on that one. Next is the report on the outcome of case reviews, so there were two cases that the panel reviewed over the past month and we've received the response from the Department on both of those.

[95:08] The first one was in my 2021 dash oh four three this case involved an allegation that an officer failed to complete a report regarding a threat made at a school. which would be a violation of a Rule one violation specifically general order to 01 on report writing. The panel reviewers recommended the allegation be sustained and that the officer received a one year letter of reprimand. The panel reviewers also recommended that a supervisor provide the officer with a verbal reminder that the crisis intervention response team is available to contact individuals in such situations. The chief of police concurred with the panel has sustained the allegation implemented discipline and also issued a reminder to the officer about the availability of CERT response. The one wrinkle here was that the panel did recommend that they offered this officer had an existing letter a reprimand in his file the panel recommended that the new letter of REC reprimand that they were recommending be served are imposed.

[96:15] Subsequent to. Sorry i'm forgetting the word right now. Not consecutive to the to the existing one sorry. The response on that was that the current department policies and the Union contract doesn't speak to that doesn't really allow that and so that's why I was bringing this back to you all so just maybe we think about a recommendation for the annual report that. At least the department policy they consider allowing for consecutive. implementations of discipline, instead of four letter reprimand so that you don't have a situation where essentially the one year letter REP ran is happening. sort of being swallowed by a five year letter a reprimand and then it's ultimately not that meaningful so but that's something we can continue to talk about if you all want to address that, but the bottom line is for this case, the chief did.

[97:11] concur with the panel and essentially follow the recommendations of the panel, to the extent that she could, in that context, the second case was in my 2020 1047. This case involved an allegation that an officer failed to confirm the service of a protection order and applied for a warrant that was ultimately invalid because the service of the protection order had not happened yet. This would be a violation of Rule one specifically general or 313 on charging the panel reviewers. Did sustain i'm sorry I just lost my screen will pull that back up.

[98:00] screen go i'm so sorry my screen without. Okay. All right, sorry about that. The panel reviewers recommended that the allegation be sustained and that all officers receive that all officers receive a training reminder about the importance of confirming the service of a protection order before applying for warrant. The chief concurred with the panel in this one as well, sustained the allegation and has indicated that the training reminder will be issued to the entire department. This original incident occurred back in 2018 and the subject officer officer, is no longer a member of the BBC and was not a member of the BP when the complaint was filed in 2021. So that's no individual discipline could be implemented the panel didn't recommend individual decision for this one, because the officer was no longer there and so no it just went off could ultimately be carried out, obviously.

[99:00] In terms of our monthly case statistics and i'll do some manual at the end, as well, we had two complaints filed for in December. And to Community increase also filed in December so far in January one complaint has been filed, there are currently 13 open investigations that are in progress that's up from 11 last month I think there's been a little bit of a delay just with holidays and everything. In all of 2021 there were a total of 55 complaints filed. Both by members of the public and some internal complaints 11 separate allegations were sustained in nine different cases out of that 55 and so that represents about a 16% sustain rate. Which is is a is about the appropriate I think they sustained rates can range from i've seen as low as 123 percent sustain rate. The highest stain rates i've seen are about 25% or so so being at about 16% for the panel is right there and about what what you would sort of expect terms of national average currently.

[100:13] In 2021 the panel reviewed five completed complaint investigations, the panel recommended standing allegations in all five of those cases. The chief of police confirmed concurred with the panel sustained allegations and implemented discipline and four of those five cases. which represents about an 80% concurrence rate, which is pretty good in terms of national comparisons so that completes the monitors report if you have any questions about any of that i'm happy to respond, otherwise we can move into the panel's selection of cases to review. I did just kind of want to make a quick comment about the consecutive versus concurrent letters.

[101:02] Just kind of wanted to stress the importance of of. kind of taking that through and ensuring that that is a change that does happen in this particular situation we had somebody who already had a letter and. Even though we're following the guidelines they get you know one letter they had a three year letter and so basically it felt like. They had three years where they could do anything without any real reprimand because if they had another letter, it would just be put on there and they would still have the same sent you know. The same amount of time there, there would be no real consequences, and so that is that was really alarming to us, and I think that it, it would be really. important for us to kind of ensure that that is something that they really consider in the future and, hopefully, as soon as possible, good. Thank you for that, and I would recommend that do we have like a place where we are kind of keeping recommendations to the City Council as it relates to strengthening the the count of the panels ability to meet are the goals set in in the regulation.

[102:15] i'm keeping a list. of issues yeah as they come up in the cases. When you when you all bring them up. And it would be great if maybe the governance committee or you know someone that we you know folks that you know we also internally, have access to that information as well, absolutely. um my only comment would be that. The one that was stand was a split decision, I think that might be important to recognize and then I believe that one had some recommendations that we might want to bring to the larger group, but I don't know that that's happened yet. I have those on the list Martha yet. But that's right. There was no you're praying that the.

[103:00] pain, or the know over there, another that was a blip like yes, no. It was just that one where we had two votes to sustain and then one to abstain. Thank you. I think we also recognize that there was no extension option so that's again something that you want to clarify, but we again there's no reason we can't obtain that we go for for that however we may want to ask for the actual yeah. Regulation to be updated so that we can use all of the latitude as it relates to the decisions that we make Thank you. Okay, I think we are moving on to. panels like your cases to review which Martha is also going to kindly lead for me. Yes, that time where we pick which ones were doing, let me open the right screen for myself.

[104:10] So hopefully everybody read beforehand, so that you can use yay or nay. I kind of like the hand raise feature a little bit better just for counting. It looks like. I can get my screen to cooperate Can someone um. I guess, we can. Talk about this. debate to share the screen but yeah we don't share the screen. I will just read off the numbers, then. and see it looks like. We we had tabled some in the last meeting 45 and 46 they look a little bit like their companions to one another, but they do have different issues, so I will.

[105:10] keep on with the separation of them so. 045. If you want to do the henry's feature. And let us know if you think this should be reviewed or not.

[106:14] alright. i'm assuming. People are reading um. I don't know if. folks can like, how do you how do you do the hand raise feature i'm like not finding it. there's a bar at the end at the bottom and there's. One very little that disease obviously more if it. Otherwise, it might be different right next to record or here screen that your screen share screen. I have green share screen and record of Q amp a. Know lower. incidence no hands. can use your physical and. I will use my. Sorry Martha was not clear on that either say. All right, i'm see 12345.

[107:04] So sick sick all right, I six for 45, so we will go ahead and get that assigned 46 like I said it's kind of that companion to it. i'm going to keep my hand raised just because, like looking at one of my little that the other 11234 but. Alright, the next one is. came in and known them for that, like, I mean not counting 73. Now you can do go ahead and do 73 this was the one that.

[108:02] initially came in, just as a regular use of force investigation and then, when the professional standards unit sergeants review all the use of force. reports as they come in and when they reviewed this one, in November, they discovered that the person had actually verbalized a complaint about it, and so they took it out of the. Normal review process and put it into the complaint process so that we could see it so that's a little bit of delay there and that's why the number the normal misconduct number is not there yet. Well 73. and If folks want to go ahead and vote on that. 123456. All right, 60 or 73.

[109:03] and clear my raised hand so that i'm not confused people's votes for the next 1054 also a use of force. Right. got to. anyone else last call.

[110:01] It looks like we have to, so we will not assign that one. And then the last one is 55. Rule one. general rules. Anybody want. Going once going twice alright no days. And that concludes the votes for the.

[111:00] incoming. Thank you Martha for taking care of that Bam Bam has joined us as well, so next is going to be public comment very quickly as well to see, is there any other business for panel members or any other agenda items. No okay great, so we will go into public comment you have two minutes each to speak, and if you just raise your hand. With the same function joey can promote you so you can speak and are attending or me yeah. And if you're calling in from a cell phone or the phone line, you can also dial star six to raise your hand and star nine I think to unmute yourself. If you're calling in from a phone line, but we have any other members of the public that would like to raise their hands.

[112:08] Martha has a timer. timer. nuts. Any. warning or. The 32nd warning Martha Martha. Are you open to that or and it feel like people need to know might be coming up or something. it's just YouTube so I. 17209613869: don't. I don't have that sophistication. I can keep track of. time we can we can. Do about a. 20 seconds we'll do a warning and then. Time of being cut off at two minutes. 17209613869: Thank you, great. Member of the public on the phone 720 area code. You can go ahead and speak. 17209613869: yeah this is there in o'connor Hello everyone. 17209613869: Just that I had started dying to raise your hand but.

[113:00] 17209613869: thanks for the time I just wanted to share. 17209613869: In the last month. 17209613869: But one of the naacp members to unlawfully arrested. 17209613869: For our legal challenge to the city got a settlement of $95,000 but more importantly for y'all is that the. 17209613869: Part of the agreement was that we will be getting average use of force by month for about a two year period and plan to do those numbers, when we were. 17209613869: i've raised the issue of. 17209613869: A that falls under data that you can look at historically and we will only be getting the average numbers but that'll be a great baseline if you can compare those numbers to individual police officers use, of course, this is the first time such data will be available and.

[114:03] 17209613869: Again i've raised this issue before I haven't I don't know if it just fell off your radar or if you're still working on that, but I would encourage you to follow up on that and try to try to identify officers like officer low. 17209613869: are using force, sometimes. 17209613869: Sometimes, more than once a day, sometimes multiple times a week and, more often than not using force every single week so. 17209613869: that's all I got for you tonight, thank you. Any other members of the public, like to speak. Okay going once.

[115:02] Okay, well, I think that then we'll conclude our meeting for this evening, thank you all for coming. expect some emails about a retreat and the naacp meeting proposal. As well as kind of a more informal gathering coming down the pipeline as well, so thank you all for being here. Everyone good night.