July 24, 2023 — Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] In this meeting of the Parks and recreate. Thank you, Rosa, open this meeting of the Fox and Recreation Advisory Board we'll start with the approval of the agenda, I would entertain a motion to do so. I move to approve the agenda. Have a second. I second great. Are there any amendments or changes to the agenda to be discussed at this time? Okay, all in favor of approving the agenda, please say aye. hi hi bye, bye. and I for me as well. Great. Okay. The first item on our agenda is the Parks and Recreation Month Declaration, and this is a decoration that was recently passed by Bulgar City Council, and is present in the packet. and I believe we are intending to read this loud. Is that correct?

[1:01] Ali? Yes. okay. great, thank you. I will go ahead and do that if you can hear me well enough. Since 1,985 people in the United States have celebrated parks and recreation month in July, recognizing the power of parks and recreation, and building strong, vibrant, and resilient communities here in boulder parks and recreation promotes health and wellness, improving the physical and mental health of our community by operating our local parks, recreation centers, and other special green spaces, like the Pearl Street mall and boulder reservoir and fosters time spent in nature which positively impacts mental health by increasing cognitive performance and well-being and alleviating illnesses such as depression, attention, deficit disorders, and Alzheimer's. and encourages physical activities by providing space for sports, swimming, walking, relaxing, and many other activities designed to promote healthy lifestyles

[2:02] and makes builder more resilient through infrastructure designed to help our community and natural disasters and mitigate against climate change. Our local parks also foster environmental stewards who advocate for and protect our most precious public resources, our land, water, trees, open spaces, and wildlife. and promotes access for all by ensuring that the people of our community. The people, our community has said, are the most important to serve can recreate. They do this through award-winning programming for people with disabilities, through our expand program targeted services for youth and older adults and programs that address financial barriers to participation. The theme for this year's Parks and Recreation month is where community community grows. recognizing that parks and recreation builds community by providing spaces for people to connect. celebrate, volunteer partner, and play. These connections to nature and each other are more important than ever.

[3:03] The Us. House of Representatives and the State in Colorado have designated July as parks and Recreation Month. The Boulder City Council is delighted to join them by declaring that July is park and Recreation month in the city of Boulder. We appreciate the teammates across the city and our partners across the community. We take care of our green spaces and provide recreation opportunities, so that boulder is a community where everyone's health and well-being are founded on unparalleled parks, facilities and programs signed by Aaron Brockett, Mayor. Great. So congratulations to everyone on the recognition for parks and recreation month. next up we have future board items and tours, and for that I'll turn it over to all the Rhodes, the director of Bolter Parks and recreation.

[4:02] Thank you, Mr. Chair Just a few items to call out that your next meeting in August. We're actually working on juggling the agenda now to provide as much space as possible out in the field for your tour, which is later we'll talk about. the outline we've drafted for that to get your input on that their thing I want to let you know we have a few items in italics meeting. We're still landing the plane on the details. So one of those is the historic district update. You're going to hear a little bit about that tonight with the Civic Area project. We anticipate some engagement with the landmarks board so that you can discuss that together as a team. We're meeting I believe. August fourteenth with staff, with planning development services. And so after that we'll be able to reach out to you all to to get your input and get some date set for some joint board coordination on that. On that matter. The other thing I want to call out just in events of interest. On September tenth we are bringing back what's up, Boulder? This is an event. The city started pre pandemic and had done multiple times. It's where departments from across the organization

[5:09] have tables and outreach opportunities so they can learn about various projects underway and give input on items across the city. What's up folder this year is being hosted in at the site of the future park on Violet, and we're excited. The Parks direct team will be doing some specific engagement related to that park as well as as well as other opportunities. I unfortunately will be out of town. But hopefully you all can make it. It really is going to be a great opportunity for community input and to learn about city projects. I think everything else you can read on your agenda. But those are the highlights great. Thank you very much. Ali. The next item on our agenda is public participation. And this is this, this, this public partition participation will be for items that are not on the

[6:03] being considered fraction tonight. So, being considered fraction of my is the boulder parks and recreation fee policy as well as a historic places plan. I believe we have one, a public participant who wants to speak to the fee policy. So Mr. Mckel will have to wait until we reached that point in the agenda to to give. Give us his opinion. But we do have several members of the public who have general comments, and they will be held. Now this portion of the meeting is for members of the public to communicate ideas or concerns to the Board regarding parks and recreation issues. Of course a public hearing is not scheduled later. the public is encouraged to comment on the need for parks and recreation programs and facilities as they perceive them. All speakers are limited to 3 min. Depending on the nature of your matter. You may or may not receive a response from the board or staff after you deliver your comments. But the board and staff are always listening to and appreciative of community feedback.

[7:06] Okay? So the people who will be will be speaking tonight will be Mike Stabler, Lynn Siegel. Mark Eller, and Jerry Price, Larry Mickey. later. So, Rosa, if you could please pull up Mike's stabler and get the timer going, and we'll let him get going as soon as he can unmute. Thanks. How can you hear me? Yes, thank you. Great. I've lived in boulder many, many years and started playing pick of all just over a year ago. I love it with rear exception. Players are fun and encouraging. It's a great way to bring the community together. I've visited pickleball courts since then in several towns and cities, including Grand Rapids, Michigan, Santa Fe, and Colorado Aspen Steamboat Springs, Frisco Superior.

[8:03] in Longmont. I don't think I'm forgetting one, but it might be I'm not overseating it when I say that by far the city of boulder is the furthest to go with the citizen. Pickle ball experience. The staff are fine, not the staff. It is the facilities. for instance, Martin Park courts. I was told by a staff person. Well, the neighbors might complain. I but it's a little more formal than that, but that is the essence just today in the daily camera Tucson base per, I can't pronounce this per bender in a will. It's acoustics and noise control. Get a study for Centennial, the city of. and say that court should be at least 500 feet from residences. How far is the Martin acres? Tennis ball courts from a residence. I bet it's more than 500 feet, so I don't understand why the city can't move forward with putting K. The ball courts there South Pole Rick Center, where I used to play. Oh, my God

[9:03] needs to be resurfaced, these dedicated courts! The fencing is terrible. It looks like Wiley Coyote ran through one of them. windscreens. We don't have a toilet. There's no lighting the other 2. we have lighting something on the website, you the city website. So there's 2 or $200,000 per year for maintenance. I'd like to get the details on what's been spent. and what's going to this time? That also the East Boulder Community court Center Courts. the both in the community, I mean, I don't know. Everybody is that that has been approved, but hasn't been built for over a year. I'd like to know what's happening there. There's something called the Ls court plan started in 2,022. I can't find it on the city website. And finally, the link on the Prad July community engagement page. It doesn't work. It's supposed to take you to a plan, and it it breaks

[10:04] a lot. I expect a lot more out of the city. we are rich city we. We're using excuses. And and I, I just want to move forward and and get things going. we could do a lot better. and that's all I got. thank you very much, Mr. Saber. so, Rosa, the next speaker, will be the Lynn Siegel. So if you could begin pulling her up and she'll be followed by Mark Eller, and then Jerry Price. So I believe Rose is ready. So, Lynn, whenever you're ready to unmute and go ahead, please do so. Lynn, can you tell me how you are signed in? I am not able to find you

[11:05] okay. So while we're waiting to get that sorted, would it be possible, Rosa, to move on to Mark Eller? And we can let Lynn communicate with you through the chat function. Mark, how are you signed in? So mark if you could communicate through the chat function with Rosa, the chat function is reserved for these kinds of issues. Okay, let's move on to Jerry Price then, and we'll come back to Lun Siegel and Mark Eller if we can. Hello! Can you hear me?

[12:01] Yes, thank you. Good evening, everyone. My name is Jerry Price. I have lived in North Boulder for about 12 years. I've played tennis on boulder public courts during all of this time. and I've also played pickleball during the last 5 years. as you're probably aware, tennis screw in popularity during Covid, and this has continued into the present pickle ball has grown exponentially in the last 2 to 3 years. All of this has resulted in a mad scramble for public courts on most days, and especially on weekends. There are simply not enough courts available for all who would like to use them. As many public courts are in disrepair. Quasi-public school district owned. Courts are not being made available to the public as much as they used to be in years past.

[13:05] and certain private courts which used to take up some of the slack like Rmtc. And see you South, are likely to go away in the next few years boulder needs more courts and better maintain courts. a central tennis and pick a ball. Facility with dedicated courts for each sport would be ideal. and is sorely needed. But if this is not feasible in the near future. more tennis and pickable courts should be built where land and space is available. and court maintenance should be prioritized. so that existing courts are usable. Again. I have seen and use some of the tennis and pickable facilities in neighboring towns, such as Longmont and Arvada. They are newer and better maintained than anything we have here in Boulder.

[14:07] Given the relative wealth of Boulder compared to these other jurisdictions. This is simply embarrassing. and I find it to be unacceptable as a taxpayer in Boulder. So I ask parks and recreation to please consider these things seriously, and try to do what they can as soon as possible. Thank you. Thank you very much for your comment. Rosa did. We were able to make contact with Lynn Siegel or our Mark Eller. I think Mark Eller is under boulder rowing, and I'm going to promote him. I do not see Lynn Siegel. Yet. Okay, just a reminder for Mark in the future that it's very helpful for him to sign in and under his actual name, so that we can make these kinds of connections a little more

[15:01] easily. Okay, Mark, if you're able to please unmute. But I'm unmuted now. Yeah, you are great. Great. Well, Hello, P. Rab, and thanks for the opportunity to speak tonight. I am Mark Eller. I've lived in Boulder for the past 24 years, and I'm currently the president of Boulder community rowing, which I'll call Pcr. Tonight. and we are affiliated with Colorado Junior crew or Cjc. So I've just returned from the Us. Rowing masters, Nationals, competition. A 4 day event that was held in Indianapolis this year. It was hot, it was hard, and it was great. but when I meet my peers at rowing clubs across the nation, they are incredulous at how expensive it is to row and boulder the fees we impose on our members are sky high. This is not because Pcr is socking away money in the bank or splurging on expensive equipment.

[16:03] Our boats are worn and old, and we don't even have a storage shed for them. Nonetheless, Pcr. Serves the boulder community as best we can for the middle schoolers and high schoolers who row with Cjc. To the working adults and retired seniors at Pcr. We provide lessons and coaching for anyone who wants to try the sport regardless of prior experience. It takes no special skills or physical abilities to row just the desire to learn. We happily serve wheelchair athletes, recent conference to the sport and lifelong rowers. but because of the city's current policies, we are forced to discriminate in ways that I honestly find very dismaying. People in Boulder who would like to row with us have stated to me many times that the hours at the reservoir, with quiet, calm water, free from powerboat traffic are just too limited. Others have said, and no, sir, uncertain terms that Pcr and Cjc's membership fees are too high to stomach. Yeah, we are charging the absolute minimum we can afford in order to operate as a community based nonprofit organization.

[17:10] I really hope, will arrive at a classification system that better supports all of us quiet human powered water sports communities, the swimmers, paddlers, rowers, and others. We would relish the chance to bring these healthy, low impact activities to a broader segment of the border community. but we need your help to do it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Rosa, did you make contact with Lynn Siegel for her comment. Yet I do not have her yet. Chuck. Okay, thanks. Well, at this time. Then I'll open the floor to members of prab or staff to respond to any of the public comments they've heard so far. Does anyone have a comment?

[18:03] I guess I would like to make a quick comment to to Mark Eller. I think that. I agree with you that I'd like to see the no wake hours extended at the Boulder reservoir. I think that from what I've seen in the past, given the balance of the number of users who are engage in sports that would benefit from having the lake hours compared to the number of people who benefit from having a powerboat access. I think there are many more people who would like to see no wake hours extended. I know this is a a fraud topic, because it involves a group that has had a a history of access with power boating on the on the reservoir. But I do think in the in the interest of equity and in the interest of encouraging activities that are environmentally responsible and friendly that it's a it's time to sort of reconsider that policy as we move forward thinking about how the reservoir is used over the next year or 2,

[19:08] and then, Mr. Chair, if I can. I'd love to comment to the gentleman who spoke on pickle ball and tennis, and just share at a very high level that that we hear you on the maintenance piece, as you both mentioned that. what? Someone noted that this year we're spending $200,000 in courts. I just want to clarify that For the last 10 years. Up through last year we were spending about $60,000 per year. So this year we've tripled that number. It's primarily being spent at Tom Watson, Columbine and Arapaho Ridge. I believe we will clarify those details. We're actually our team is preparing a really nice web update now on our court system plan. That'll clarify for the current courts that we have, how we're gonna take better care of them and prioritize maintenance, and also consider the distribution of them which are dedicated and or shared. we're also gonna explore locations where we might build more courts while we don't have funding to build more, we would love to provide the opportunity, should philanthropy or other partnerships allow that we were ready to accept that investment to build more quotes.

[20:10] so I'd encourage you to check our website in the next. probably by the end of next week we'll have a nice update on line with timelines where we'll have it more information. And when decisions will be made about court's investments. just one last note that the budget that our City Council review in September and October has us spending $400,000 per year for the next 5 years on court maintenance. We know we're behind, and we're going to be working hard to catch up. Thank you very much, Ali. I I would also add that if you're having trouble finding something online or have a broken link, if you do a search for inquire Boulder. you'll find a city web page that allows you to report a problem. And that can be true, not just for the website. But it's true of parks and recreation facilities. If you see something that's broken or needs needs repair, or you know just is is not in good shape.

[21:01] please use the inquire boulder forum because it generates a tracking ticket and then staff. I have to respond to that ticket in a timely manner, and they are evaluated on their responsiveness. So it's a very. I found it a very effective tool for, especially for small things, you know, that aren't really policy decisions, but things that are there broken and need fixing. It's a great portal to use, and I would encourage the public to use it. Okay, I think that concludes the public participation portion of the. I'm sorry, Chuck, can I just ask one question? Yes, sorry. Go ahead. It's actually a question. Rally who? Who's the staff person is kind of minding the court projects. Of course. the court system plan. The project manager is a senior landscape architect. To my right Miss Tina breaks. I see. Would it be possible as the as the court minder. With Tina, we have a meeting at some point just to. So I can get a little more up to speed on it. Yeah. And I'll just note for all of the prab members. We know you. as a decided on liaison's next month, and so over. It's on our list. I'll just give you all a heads up now that we're in the final steps of the Sydney's internal budget process, which is taking up an incredible amount of time. In the next month or so you should expect to hear from anyone who is a liaison. We'll get an update from a teammate on what that looks like and what your timeline is.

[22:20] Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Were you going to add anything to that? Tina? Yeah, that was good. Sorry. Any other comments from from the board. Our staff numbers. Okay. Thanks. With that, I'll close public participation. next up. We have the consent agenda. And the way this works is that we take a motion to approve the consent agenda as a whole, and the consent agenda consists of 3 components, the approval of the minutes, the planning updates and the operations updates. And so after we have a motion and a second to approve the consent. Agenda. We'll then entertain any discussion that there might be to change the minutes.

[23:10] or any comments or questions about the updates. So this time I will entertain a motion for approving the consent. Agenda. I move to approve the consent. Agenda. Thank you. Do I have a second? I could second. okay, thank you. All right. We have a motion to approve the consent. Agenda. Is there any discussion of the minutes. or I'll start with the minutes, any discussion of the minutes. Any changes amendments. Okay, moving on. We have the parks and recreation planning design and construction updates and the parks and recreation operations updates. Are there any comments or questions for staff on those topics?

[24:00] I just had a question about the the flat irons go, of course, clubhouse project. So I read that the water table was a little higher than we had anticipated. and not surprising that stuff happens. I'm just wondering. how is that? Or will that impact the timeline? We already have de watering in place. so that was pulled in. it's been in place. and really it just has to be where we're doing some of the deep foundations of utilities. so we'll try to compact those into the earlier parts and get that all set, and then get that machinery out of there as soon as we can. So so far it hasn't really impacted the the end of the timeline. Thank you. I need you to walk out. Knock on wood. Now, please.

[25:04] Okay. Any further comments or questions on the consent. Agenda. Okay, All in favor. I'm slow to get my mic, but I do have one question. Oh, thank you, thank. And then, just I know I'm doing this remotely, and I have a hard time seeing people are raising their hands or anything. So just okay, I'll continue to interrupt you. on the thrones. Golf course. How hospitally partnership. This is sort of just a general operational question. It. It looks like we have a consultant who's helping us hire helping us pertain. Is that correct? That is correct. Okay, so just for my knowledge, how often do we use consults to help us secure contracts like that? To my knowledge, this is the first time we use a partner like this. and did you want to add in Tina? Tina can add in why, we decided with this partner, she's managing that project also. So she can add, why, with this particular partnership, and I also see Stephanie Monroe with regional facilities this year. Why, I think your next question would be, why this project? Right?

[26:12] So in this case it really is in a commercial real estate. it in a way, when we're looking at like finding a lesse and a partner at the same time. so what we realized in some of our previous opportunities was that the standard Rfp process that we use isn't really the same place that people who might want to be a restaurant vendor partner are looking at. So we we? We talk to a commercial real estate agent to help us follow the sort of the process that we would really normally use for city. And how do we bundle that with how the commercial industry actually works? so they really just helping us find the city government process with that commercial real estate blend so that we get a better list of partners and opportunities.

[27:01] I had one additional question they just came to me. The it's about the encroachments issue that's happening around Wonderland Lake. So can I ask you what what prompted the city to observed that there were encroachments where their people were their private owners that were starting to manage vegetation on public space. And that that caught our attention. Sure, I'll let her answer this. So, Regina Elsner, you all don't always hear from. She is our senior manager for natural resources, and includes both the urban Ranger and Natural Lands team. So she has 2 teams working on this project. Yeah. So wondering, like, is a unique kind of area where we have a lot of that area managed as more of a natural area. So it is. taller grasses and things like that. But we have our operations. Team are out there pretty regularly, anyways, and they had started to notice over time more and more encroachments into the public property. And it's not just vegetation management. It can be things

[28:08] private property, storage fences that are jetting out into private into public property. And even some permanent improvements, like landscaping access paths across stitches with for walks and things like that. So it's a whole kind of range of things. And so it's just how can we? We approach this project wanting to look at it holistically? So how can we deal with and address all of the encroachments sort of together, and not in an ad hoc. Thank you. I I'll add just one. We also had 2 incidences of having to enforce against people destroying public property. And so we think there's an education opportunity. We had someone remove the public tree. don't don't know exactly why, but where I'm I'm grateful for the partnership with the Ho. A. As to help educate with whatever way they can, that that that public property is for the public.

[29:04] Yeah. And I guess my follow up would be. is there an H of a it sounds like there is. And will we be communicating with the residents through that? H. A. there are multiple hos in the wonderland like area in the neighborhood of 5 different hos. So we're communicating with them primarily, we're communicating with the Hos to be a a mechanism for education and outreach with their residents. So we can avoid this. In the future we will be contacting each property owner individually, because it's their responsibility to remove the encroachment from the public property. So we are working on first notices to go out to those private property owners. in the next less than month. So the enforcement of city code is to the individual property owners, not the hoa, because it's it's coming from their private property, not from the H. A. Property. Thank you.

[30:00] And I have a quick question. Some of these issues are minor misalignments that are probably due to initial survey errors for fences. And I it's my! It's my hope that the city won't. How can I say this? come across as heavy-handed? I think that people who who've made honest mistakes. And you know, if there's a 6 inch error or something, and in the alignment of offense I hope that they are not unduly penalized or forced to pay a a heavy fee to sort of acquire that property, or or or get a get an easement from the city for for their fence. I hope that we can. We can deal with this in a way that it's it's rational or not, and not heavy. Yeah, check absolutely. Our goal is to, especially when we're talking about offense. That's offline. Our our goal is not to have them immediately rip down their fence and realign that to make it. Make sure it's on the property line, and I should clarify that that error is the error in the survey line that we have is up to 6 inches one way or the other, but we were specifically seeking out encroachments that are a foot or more over that line.

[31:20] So they're well onto the public property. is there any liability with having private use of this public land in this way there could be. There's certainly risk exposure for the city if there were to be a play equipment that is, that is not well maintained in the city's aware of it and doesn't remove it. And there could be an injury. I mean, there's a lot of real extreme examples that we could use, but there is exposure to the city. Thank you. I I want to add just one thing on Chuck's note, this is probably one of our least favorite things to do, because there's not a lot of ways to do this for Pete. You know that the response is going to be. Don't you have something better to do? But the reality is that protecting public property is one of our responsibilities, and probably one of our our most important ones, to make sure that public space remains available for the public.

[32:14] Yeah, thank you for that comment. And I agree with that. Okay, a few more seconds. Anyone have any additional questions or comments on the consent agenda. Okay, we have a motion to approve the consent, agenda. So we'll take a vote all in favor of approving the consent. Agenda. Say, aye. right? Thank you. Okay. Moving on. Next, we have 2 action items. One is a public hearing consideration of a motion to accept the boulder parks and recreation. historic places plan, which is 15 min. and the second is the boulder parks and recreation fee policy

[33:03] by having already approved the agenda. I wonder if we would entertain a very minor tweet to that which would be reverse the order of those 2 things. so that we deal with the fee policy. First, is that going to throw a kink in the works for your people Alley. I'm looking at Tina, and she's generously agreeing. I mean, in theory, both of these items help we've discussed before. And I believe you're making that suggested out of accommodation. We have members of the community here to speak for the public hearing, and so I think that that we're always happy to support that if the board will. Yeah, that is my rationale. Is there any objection from anyone on the board for that little tweak kind of off the books. Okay. thank you. so we'll go ahead with action items. And I think we start the action items with public participation. Is that correct. that is not correct to typically with an item for action. There's a staff presentation first. And so we need just a minute to switch staff, so it will be a staff presentation board questions

[34:10] and then public participation. And then board. Deliberation is the typical order. And so we can pull out that the spreadsheet or the sorry that the we have a script for action items. But the staff presentation is first. Okay, thank you for correcting me. I I don't have all that all that stuff in front of me here while we reconfigure up here. I'll just introduce this item so as a reminder to members of the Board. A formal fee policy is one of the leading practices is identified by the American Academy. for parks and recreation accreditation. It is something that our department has had informally in place over the years through the way of multiple different prep memos. And our intention with the fee policy is to put everything in one place in a clear and consistent manner, and so to present this item. So Jackson Height is our business services manager and Stacy Hoffman is our senior budget analyst.

[35:12] they've been talking to you about this item since the beginning of the year, and so hopefully, tonight you'll hear and see your feedback and the final fee policy and chuck, you might just give us about 60 s for some board maneuvering. Yeah, I'm sorry if my suggested switch here caused a how was the hiccup in the no, I think it's I think it's great for the members of the community just to to to move physically here. Oh, my! Were people already just to just go ahead and check. This is L. A. Just so, you know, we Sunny is not here. So

[36:03] we currently have a quorum. But if just to keep an eye on that, in case somebody else ducks out. Okay, thank you. I hope, my band, what stays strong enough that I can participate as this voice should be. Okay, even if you drop off love for all right, good, and even everyone. As I mentioned Jackson Height, business services manager. We've been talking with you about the fee policy since March of this year. So hopefully. This is on a lot of new information. We did share the draft fee policy with you last month, and have made some minor tweaks to it. It is included as attachment. e, with the red lines in your package and attachment. A is what we're going to be asking you to adopt tonight.

[37:01] as Ali mentioned our goal was to establish a fee policy that really standardizes our approach to collecting fees that's not buried in practice. with this we want to be transparent about our categorization of different fees that the department charges, as well as as well as have clear cost recovery targets for the different types of programs that we offer. so part of this is also looking at our subsidy levels. the department does receive a general phone subsidy of approximately 1.6 million dollars a year. And historically, we've provided those subsidies to people with disabilities low income. I age based discounts and financial assistance to our facilities. So really just wanted to hit home. But we do have a limited amount of subsidy within parks and recreation. We do think that we could offer every service under the world. But the reality is, it's not always financially responsible to do so, and we do receive a set amount of subsidy. So we try to prioritize that in a way that's equitable to the community and reflects the values.

[38:03] So as we've been talking about. there was 4 different program types that did have a set fee policy from various prep memos. we went back to 2,015 when the initial Parks and recreation plan was adopted, and then there was several others that had informal policies. But was very hard to pinpoint. What the perhaps stated intent was. We have gone through all of these to create the fee policy for you. and this really looks at the 3 levels of recreation programming community recreation. And this exclusive should now say, individual as reflected in your packet, we just and then update that graphic as a reminder, taxes typically pay for community, whereas user fees pay for individual benefit programs. In the middle, we have what we call recreation programs. and that's something that is a mix of user fees and taxes. Because there is a great community benefit associated with that. You all have provided a lot of input as far as where you believe the cost. Recovery targets should be. and we're incredibly grateful of that. Last month we did ask for your input on the draft fee policy and All the feedback that we received was heard, and we went back and reviewed it. as a core team as well as with our program staff across the department to make sure that there wasn't anything else that we are missing.

[39:22] The key changes that you'll notice in attachment. B, are we updated the terminology from exclusive to individual? I think that there was a lot of feedback that individual benefit programs really aligned closer. So we took this to heart. We did provide some additional clarification. this was primarily from staff input that focused on who our market analysis would target that. The subsidy is not intended to undercut the market for a various activity. We don't want to undercut the market where we basically prevent competition and therefore are going to encourage remaining competitive with the overall market.

[40:00] We also had a few of the program types that included a upper limit to the cost, recovery targets and everything else did not have a target. It was basically whatever the market could bear, and just thinking of balancing the overall, funding as being able as well as taking, perhaps previous feedback, of charging what the market could bear. we did remove the upper limit to the cost. Recovery targets. we had admitted. Admit. omitted the commercial use program type from the original draft. So that was included in and that does include various examples of what we include with commercial use programs. And then, finally, there was some minor language clean up throughout and spelling, but those were the key changes that we really made within the plan. I know that there's some questions as far as what the next steps were, and we wanted to be transparent about this with you Our hope is that the prob approves the fee policy tonight and its current state. And then with this it would go to city council to be included with the 2,024 budget adoption in October.

[41:02] We believe that this provides greater clarity and support for the community to have both crab and city Council approval. So that is the reason why it would be going to City Council with the Budget adoption. Something that this Board had asked about was a fee schedule This would be a listing of all of the various types of fees that the Department offers. We are currently starting this process with our staff of examining all of our current fees, their current cost, recovery, and our intent is to return to you in September with what the 2024 fees would be for all of the various program types. This would be about a 10 page document that really simplifies and provides clarity to both our staff and the public, as far as what the fees that we charge and why, and by looking at this and comparing it to our actual cost of delivering these services, we will identify what the cost. Recovery targets are a fee schedule is adopted for certain pursuant to a city manager rule which goes through a public notice process beyond this board, and then would be effective on January first of 2,024.

[42:04] We are not going to be including the Recreation service fees within the fee schedule just because we do publish a recreation program. Guide every quarter in alignment with the program offering that we do. that we offer at that quarter So every recreation program fee goes through the recreation, priority, index and service delivery model, which we think is an alternative tool to really align with the fee policy recommendations. and because those can change throughout the course of the year. We would rather align that with the course offerings that we have to account for real time changes in direct costs as well as our program registration levels, minimum class size, etc. Finally, there was a request to focus on what the communications and engagement plan is. We recognize that no one wants to implement higher fees, but it's a price that we have to pay for remaining competitive in the marketplace and rely on unlimited tax dollars. So once we have the fee policy adoption and the fee schedule, our intent is to go through a very robust communications and engagement plan. we do intend to have a web page emails to all of our users.

[43:10] updates in the recreation program guide and then signage at all of our major facilities. This is very similar to the same process we did in 2019 for the 2020 fee increase as well as in 2022 for the 2,023 fee increase. So we do feel as if we have a good strategy in place and really look forward to making sure that the community is aware of this. explaining the how, the why and of course the different options they have to access our financial aid programs and other assistance. to make sure that people do maintain access to the various facilities and programs we have. So with that I will open it up to any questions. I have a couple of questions. So you mentioned that there would be a rule making of the

[44:00] fee schedule. I I presume that Bpr is going to issue those rules. The the city Manager rule is in the Brc fuller revised code that allows us to go through the city manager rule to publish various parks and recreation fees. The thought process behind this back in 2,014, when it was decoupled from a formal fee. Codified fee was the parks, and recreation needs to be a bit more nimble and react accordingly. So the city manager rule basically takes it out of the codified nature of the Brc. And it's a city manager rule that is still published and noticed on the daily camera. and people can comment and feedback is taken. Okay, but it's we're creating the rule that's published and proposed, not the city manager's office. Correct. But we're doing that based on a city manager rule. The fee schedule as proposed, is something that will be asking for the prep. Feedback on The actual document that gets published is the city manager rule, and that's more just the legal language that goes into it. That city attorney's office reviews. Okay? So you'll come to us for feedback on it. But the city manage. You will issue. You guys will issue a a rule. That is the fee policy through the City managers office. Once we have your approval.

[45:21] And then what's the comment? Period on that? It's 30 for a standard rule. And then I presume that that you said the daily camera would notice it. But I presume that the proposed rules will be available online at the city's website. Correct? Okay. And then you said that they'll be finalized in January. Our intend is to implement the new fees on January first. Great thanks for that. I appreciate that. Mike. Other question is about the the item that addresses the request for an appeal process.

[46:02] It says here that rather than creating a formal appeal process. the fee policy will include standardized discounts available for users that align with the Doc the Department's mission and goals. Can you elaborate a little bit on how that process will work? Sure. the intention with the fee policy is basically to align with the 22 plan guidance where the community wanted to support youth seniors, financial aid programs. So our intention is to take some of the existing programs we have in place for our third party memberships, where we encourage scholarship being for X percent of their participants. And basically with that, if you can achieve a documented metric, then you would receive a corresponding discount, and that is a way to assign subsidy back to programs that provide benefit back to the community. Okay. that's all I had. Thanks.

[47:02] you know. Is there any type of verification like if they say we're providing financial aid, is there any verification that's entailed to ensure that the people that they're providing financially to are actually low income. we will be working through that with our existing programs. Where we do do this, we do ask to audit their program registration after the fact or for any of our existing programs where we collect registration. We already have everyone who's qualified for financial aid in a given calendar year that we would rely on that to verify eligibility. Okay, thank you. And then my other question was. having done the racial equity training last month. is this, did that does this whole fee policy document go through any type of racial equity overview or like review? Yes, It has already gone through the review. Both Stacy and Scott presented to the community connectors and residents. the program that looks and evaluates it. equitable impacts across the board. So in preparation for that meeting. We did provide the racial equity instrument completed for the fee policy and gathered their feedback.

[48:17] That feedback was shared with you in the June crab packet. so we can provide that to you again if you'd like to see it. So I remember that it's like the community connectors. But isn't that? Does Anna Sylvia do any type of review? Or is that all? Just through the community connectors? The racial equity instrument is a tool that all Stat, or I'm sorry majority of staff are trained in to go through. So we had a team of 5 or 6 of us who went through the racial equity instrument. we did share that with Anna Sylvia and others in the racial equity office to share with the community connectors in residence. So it has been reviewed by Anna Silvia directly. and then I just noticed, when I did read it, I didn't see Equity mentioned in the document. We had included a good amount on it last month. and just because there was minor changes, we focus more on what the high level changes were. but thank you. That is a great clarifying point on equity

[49:21] in the whatever I reviewed today before. I don't remember seeing. No, I just I think we'll probably I guess I'll wanna make sure we do a follow up. But to Jackson's Point our memo for the action item tonight just summarizes any material changes since you last reviewed this. If you're not saying. if you're saying it isn't clear in the actual policy that equity is a goal that we want to make sure to achieve. We're going to. We probably I'm guessing we'll make amendments to the policy if you all approve it tonight, because that's going to be important that it's clear in the actual policy. Does the policy what was in the packet for tonight? Or is that the the memo and the policy are part of the packet. And so that's why I read the whole thing. I don't remember seeing Equity standing out as

[50:05] Yeah, I mean, it just said we offer scholarships and community benefit, but specifically the mention of equity. I don't remember seeing that, but I could have missed it. Thank you for that. You welcome. If there are changes that are proposed. For example, this issue of equity not being raised high enough in the fee policy document, would you want specific wording from us to make a change to that before we vote on it? Or how how would that be done? I think I would not support what's nothing during the meeting, and I would recommend that you approve it. Recognizing that Staff will be incorporating and making more explicit that desire to achieve equity through this policy.

[51:04] Okay, thank you. So regarding the process for appeal which is not going to be a process, I guess. is there some way to have groups, for example, the the Rowing club to to coach them through process of getting community benefit out of their program so that they can have lower charges. You know they is. There is there some mechanism where they can say, Hey, we? We think we're doing a great job. But apparently we're not. What can we do differently? A better to help us get to this level where we are able to have an affordable access to as well. Yeah, check. What you're talking about is exactly what we talked about with this application process. So I'm going to give an example right now of one of the ways that we've allocated pool time in this past. in the past is through a space allocation practice, where we had groups give us information about their club. How many people are you serving? How many of them live in the city of Boulder? How many are you? And we get information about that? And then, based upon the information they give us, we would we would prioritize full time.

[52:20] based upon alignment. And what we've we've heard from the community, right? The youth are most important. What? What I envision happen next for anyone? and this may not be a one year outcome. It might be a 2 year outcome, but my hope is that anyone who is a user of city boulder facilities can understand what the community's goals are for parks and recreation, because I think, as you heard in the Declaration earlier tonight, we can achieve it alone. And so our hope is is that users who want to have discounts are gonna try and design their program to achieve community benefits. So, for example, for a Actually, since I don't know if Mark is still listening, but for Boulder community row, and I'll give an example. Part of the ways. You all have seen the recreation priority index before. Ways that groups can demonstrate benefit is by having a targeted health benefit. So if they have programming design specifically for people who suffer from a specific neurogenerative disease as an example or a heart condition serving youth certainly as a benefit.

[53:22] providing financial aid or providing access to community members who otherwise wouldn't be able to participate as a way to provide community benefit. So all of the ways that we measure benefit of our programs to price them are ways that community community groups can achieve discounts. My hope is, and and part of my dream for our 24 or 25 action plan is that anyone who rent city of boulder facilities, whether it's a youth soccer club or a rowing group, or whatever is going to be inspired to achieve some of the goals that the community has for health and well being, so that they can get discounts on us of boulder facilities. And so I guess that that was a whole lot of words. Chuck your answers. Can we coach them. My hope is that we'll have a really clear process and ways that people, you know, you start at full cost recovery for rentals, because it's a fee for service agreement, right?

[54:11] So the the cost to rent this is full cost recovery, and that's the standard across our industry. And you saw lots of those benchmarks. I believe it was in May. If someone wants a discount, then that's where they need to demonstrate alignment with with community values for parks and recreation. You know. I think your words are very clear. you know, the one of the problems I have is that there there are always thresholds right? So a group may feel like they're providing a great community benefit and give some examples. but maybe it's not enough community benefit. And so defining what those thresholds are. I think, is is important in gaining and transparency and gaining trust from the user groups. Yeah, we agree. Because I think, and I think I've said something along these lines before we

[55:01] everything we do. We want it to promote health and well being right. So rowing, of course, it promotes health and well being. Is it? Is it aligning as much as a free park that everyone can access? It's not. And that's why there's fees right? So we have to be able to demonstrate. It's not about something not providing value. It's just how do you allocate finite resources? Yeah, yeah, I get it. I mean, I want everyone to have everything all the time for free. But that's that's not the way it works. I have an additional question just top of that topic. So we've had a number of commenters over the past year. know that boulders fees for certain activities are much higher than they've experienced in other locations. Can you respond to that at all in terms of like, what is there a reason why? at least anecdotally, why another location has such. you know, has fees that are much less than ours, and just to kind of help educate the public a bit on

[56:03] how it works here versus somewhere else. Sure, with municipal recreation. It's really not an apples to apples. Comparison. I'm going to call this an apples, oranges comparison. Every agency really funds their Parks and Recreation Department a different way boulder relies very little on a general Fund subsidy. if you recall the Ballard King report from the 2,022 department plan it shows that we receive a significantly lower percentage of general fund subsidy compared to other communities of our size and benchmark communities. So therefore, we are relying more on user fees to deliver our services and programs. And additionally, boulder is expensive to offer services and programs from our living wage and minimum wage cost of labor cost of utilities. We do see that they are rather higher than surrounding communities. and especially national benchmarks, that we are really just looking for cost recovery here. And it's part of doing business

[57:03] and and specifically kind of the boulder reservoir. Come comes up. That's probably an apples to cherry trees. Conversation, if, because you water in the West, as we all know, is scarce. the reservoir is not only our only butter body of recreational water, it's water storage for the city. And so anything that happens on that water has to pay for the cost of any impacts it might have on water quality. And so any watercraft at the Boulder Reservoir pays full cost recovery for aquatics, new and species program that's going to make it much more expensive than I know people who row you know. You can row for free on the Potomac. You can row for free in the Northwest, and all kinds of waterways throughout Oregon and Washington. That's very different from here, where there is one place where you can row. And unfortunately, it's it's it's not a free body of water. Thanks for clarifying that.

[58:12] Okay, is there further comment or questions for staff from the board. Okay? So at this time, I think we, the next step is to open it up to public comments. and we have one speaker who is going to be speaking on this topic this item, and that's why Larry Mckee. So if Rosa can quickly pivot wow! She's fast excellent! And, Larry, you should. Rosa should give you the capacity to unmute. Yes, indeed. Hello.

[59:01] yes, Larry, we can hear you. Thank you. Okay. Good evening, Prad. My name is Larry Mikio. I've been up over Resident for a 30 over 33 years and an average user of city parks and direct services for the better part of 20 or more years I've been interacting with Parks and my staff for even the better part of the last 15 years. My comments tonight concerning the fee, policy and budget strategy portion of this evening's agenda. You've heard me comment on this numerous times in the past as part of the various different priorities and public participation aquatic user groups such as border masters or boulder community rowing. We're looking to be viewed with a recreational status or through the lens of recreational status because we're associated with the community, and we're looking for a lower free structure. Given that we provide classes, clinics, and workshops that are oriented towards the intermediate level

[60:03] the middle of our community as the open water swim. Coordinator, manager, and running Tuesday, Thursday, swims out of the roll out at the boulder Reservoir between 6 and 8 Am. I get to interact with a broad cross section of our swim community this summer. So far, I've had the pleasure of hosting 427 unique individuals. And we're not done with the swim season just yet. The age demographics of those individuals mirrors our cities, age demographic with the youngest swimmer being 18, because that's where our threshold is, and our oldest, remember, is 84. We've also had the honor of serving para athletes as well as bull leg amputees on several occasions. and like last year, the majority of our members show up 76% of them. They're not band members. We open it up to the community, and we want everybody to be out there. I myself, I'm very encouraging and looking for these individuals to be part

[61:04] of something special out at the reservoir less than 11%. All the swimmers that are out there are actual band members. Swimmers are coming for a variety of reasons. Yes, there are some who come to prepare for a triathlon. but just as many come to visit, because it's the best way to start the day. There's a recent article in Cnn about why America stopped building pools. I'd encourage you to go and just read it. Public pools have played a a critical role in our American culture over the past century. But as climate change and extreme heat worsen, they're taking an urgent public health role. There is a voice. Winds are not a public pool per se. but it is an unconstrained way to meet the public's desire for water access. How much strain off the system do them? 17 go volunteer guards and 5 volunteer registration people. combined with the hundreds of hours that I personally have invested at no cost to the city provide. We're providing a service that broadly benefits the community to promote physical and mental. Well being.

[62:10] Thank you. Thank you, Larry, and I also want to thank you for giving us your perspective on numerous occasions here at the meetings. It's it's it's nice to get to get your your perspective, and I understand your your desire to improve access and reduce costs for the builder aquatic masters at the city facilities. So thanks for being persistent about it, it's a good for us to hear? Okay, so the next step in this action item process is for us to have an informal discussion among members of Crab. If there is anything to discuss in this discussion we would not really consult with Staff unless there is a need for clarification or input

[63:04] specifically. And following that, we'll call for a motion and a second, and then have a formal debate, if there's any and any amendments, and then about so, is there any informal discussion about board members. Was it Sunny who brought up the issue of the having equity? more explicitly called out in the in the document. It was Anna who'd made that comment. Okay, thank you. Sorry. Okay. Doesn't seem like there's much informal discussion. So even though there's an objection, I'll go ahead and call for a motion. So we have a motion

[64:11] wording that has been suggested by some city staff. So someone would like to make that motion based on their language. We can then get a second and then have a formal debate. I'm happy to move and motion to accept the boulder parks and recreation fee policy. Thank you. Is there a second second? Great? Thank you very much. Mr. Chair, before you, before you vote? Can I pose to the Prava suggestion that your motion include recognizing it will be amended to highlight the city's goals to achieve that of equity. Because I just I want to make sure we capture that I I do think that if it

[65:00] it's been clear on the Memos, and I appreciate you calling out that perhaps we missed it. It looks like we did. I know Jackson over here, shaking his head. It's not clear there, and it should be, and so I would love you all to approve it. And note that we're going to add language highlighting, probably language you've seen before in memos. And so if you're comfortable approving it. so I guess you have 2 options. I would love you not to approve it, as it is, because I think this is important to align with the city's values, and what we've heard from the community. So I I think you have 2 options. One, you could approve it. Recognizing Staff will be making edits to highlight the importance of achieving equity, or you could ask us to bring it back to you so that you could review those edits. Okay, let's have a discussion among grab about which of those to routes we are most interested in taking. My personal choice would be to approve and trust that the staff can make the respective needed edits. Okay.

[66:00] I I agree with that. I think we can move with the amendments that we've discussed. I agree, too. Yes, that's fine with me. Okay. so beyond that topic which sounds like we're all my agreement on, because I agree as well. is there any other discussion of the of the motion that we have before. So any any discussion of the of the feeding policy as it's been presented to us tonight. Okay, so I don't know how we want to frame this amendment. I guess we would say that we offer a motion to an amendment to approve the to prove the fee policy contingent upon

[67:01] inclusion, of more explicit wording on equity. Does that capture the essence of what we're requesting? I think so. Okay. so with that amendment, then. and I don't think, do we need to have an informal working and written out, or can we just accept this verbally alley? I think just verbally, it's time. Okay. this isn't this. I I guess I'll make clear, and especially because I know we're still on boarding 2 new board members. This is not a required function of the prep. This is one of the shells, or sorry one of the maze we think it's important to show for the policy to have heft and wait, and also to have included the Board's. Input. As this goes forwards to council. So it's not a roll call. Item, it's not a a, a formal, but so a clear motion that you all can understand, and then and then vote on is important. But I don't think the the words need to be

[68:07] perfect. Okay. thanks for clarifying that. Okay, with no more discussion at hand. we will go in ahead and take the boat. So all in favor of approving the amended motion. Say, aye. hi, bye, bye. great, and there are no maze. So the motion, as amended is passed. Congratulations, everyone. Thank you everyone. Okay? So now we move on to our next item on the agenda, and that is public hearing consideration of a motion to accept the boulder parks and recreation 2023 historic places. Plan. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and while we do the shuffle just I'll do the place making for this item. So this item is going to be presented by senior landscape architect, Tina Briggs. You all had an overview on the historic places plan last night you are last month. man, times fly in

[69:11] last month you all talked about the historic places plan. And so You asked a bunch of questions. Then Tina is responding to that. So this will all a very similar process. It it'll start with a staff presentation. You ask questions. I don't believe we have anyone signed up for a public hearing, he would have a discussion. Then take a boat. Okay? yeah. So

[70:00] As I just said I was here last month, and we kind of we've been kind of walking through pieces of the historic places. Plan as we go. The last part that we showed you were the priorities for each property, and then we talked a little bit about next steps. so just I'll go through quickly. Just some things that we talked about And even before I dip into the hip, because last month I also talked a little bit about the stark district. I thought I'd give you just a quick update about what was that? The landmarks board? Then we can look at the goals and purposes. and then, you know, kind of zip into the the action night of the night. this is really the historic district application. was completed by organizations. and the last Landmark Board meeting on June twelfth. they accepted the application but they did make an amendment to the normal timeline. So what that initiation we talked about a little bit last month, and Marty Marcy came and talked to us.

[71:01] about what that lays out, so that starts the clock ticking But in this case they talked about it not quite being enough time, because the civic area is such a big central park of our our community that we really want to make sure we get it right. one of the landmarks board members. was very clear that making sure the community engagement was done. Well, so the entire community is aware of what's happening. and Kuwait on it. So that's kind of where we're at currently staff. and the applicants are working together. with the board landmarks board to to figure out what that timeline should look like. It'll likely extend, probably, like about 2 months, just to give a little bit more time for their research on the engagement. Any questions on that before we just jump into the hip. This we've seen before. So I just wanted to kind of remind us that what we're looking at is what we asked our consultants to do is just look at the really current and previous documentation. we're really, we're assessing that condition and really

[72:06] what it looks like today providing those treatment recommendations and then looking at our top priorities. And this is just that quick reminder. I know we have some folks in our community who are really passionate about particular properties. and we want to make sure that these properties are all kind of done at the same level. so just wanted to talk a little bit too. Well, we're in this purpose, though. This is intended also to be a living document, which means, once it's kind of what we call complete today for an acceptance exception. doesn't mean that we're gonna never change it again. So as we learn more as we have updates, things like that will happen. so we'll keep that in mind. In fact, what you'll see. for the Columbia cemetery. A community member was able to flag a few things that originally, we're not correct that we've corrected since. And so there is a new version of that available

[73:01] and then the biggest part of that is really the proactive planning and then just capital investment parties. we know we're being better at at figuring out what that looks like and really figuring out how to fit this in and these historic assets with our entire capital improvement program. So it's it's one of our many priorities, as you all know. just not enough resources for everything we would love to be able to do. So having historic and cultural assets, a a bigger part of our capital improvement strategy. we'll be completing that culture of landscape assessment. and then we'll amend that hip the chapter for the hip, so we make sure they're in fully in alignment. And then this was partially funded by a grant from the State Historic Fund. So once we have an acceptance and we amend that final chapter we'll provide the final document to them, and we'll be able to have that fund reimbursement back in.

[74:05] And then I just that note that it is a living document. so we'll just go well, before we do that, what do we do recommend? What is public comment? Where there is no public comment on this one? Right? There is because it's a hearing. They're going to take action, but I don't believe we have anyone signed up with. Do a check and make sure with our board secretary. I do not. Okay, thank you. Then we'll just move to the recommendation. Okay, members of the crab. Do you have questions or comments?

[75:01] Okay. then here I have no public comment and no discussion from the Brab. I guess we'll move straight into the the motion, and a second. so I will. I will make the motion a motion to accept the Boulder parks. Recreation 2,023 historic places plan. With the exception of the Glen Huntington Man Shell Chapter. which will be submitted as an amendment to the document for acceptance at a later hearing. I have a second second great. Okay. Is there any discussion or amendments to this motion this time. Okay. hearing none. Let's proceed with about them

[76:00] all in favor of the motion. Say, aye. Hi. I okay. And there will be no nasal great. Thank you very much. Thank you. And thank you all for your time and attention. Thank you. Congratulations, Tina. It's been a long one. Thank you. Okay, moving on to matters from the department, we have urban Ranger program introduction reimagining the civic area and proposed August crab tours. Take it away. Thank you so much, Mr. Chair. So this item is gonna be presented, I believe, by Regina Elsner, our senior manager for natural resources, and our Ranger Supervisor Aaron Morrell. They're both on their way up here. but just wanna highlight. We agreed with the agenda community. This board has had lots of questions about how we're managing safety and public spaces. The Ranger program was funded in 2021 with the pilot, and really has been picking up speed, so wanted you all to have the opportunity to

[77:06] meet Aaron. And you hear about the work she and the team are doing. Good evening, Prab. As Ali introduced us. My name is Regina Elsner and senior manager for natural resources, and I have the distinct honor of supervising our new urban Ranger program. So tonight we're here to just give you a brief introduction. We can ask some questions. go ahead to the next cider just as a brief history parks and recreation. We used to have a Ranger program our last full time. Ranger retired in 2,013 and since that time really the need for enforcement and education and security and safety on our properties hasn't ended. So

[78:01] our current urban rangers, as Ali mentioned, were funded as part of the safe and managed public spaces. Pilot program. That's a cart cross departmental effort. that we've written to you about before in your consent, agendas. It involves utilities, community vitality, park parks and recreation as well as boulder police department. And how do we really manage the symptoms of homelessness in our public spaces. This was This program was pilot funded in 2,021, and it's fun. It currently funded through the end of this year in 2,023 we hired our urban Ranger Supervisor Aaron, in May of last year. So this program is a little over a year old. We were fully staffed with our fixed term, full Time Rangers in December of 2,022 So we have a total of 3 full time Rangers, and then 2 seasonal 6 month Rangers. And with that, just as a kind of brief introduction about our history, I'm going to hand it over to Aaron to tell you a little bit more about who the Rangers are and what they do, and for our parks and community.

[79:08] Thank you, Regina, so. Yes, I'm Erin Morrell. I'm an urban ranger supervisor and I do want to go over like what we do in a little bit of how we do it, and just show you what we've been up to for the last year. So getting our program started. So first of all, we are limited Commission Park code Enforcement officers we are sworn in by the musical judges just over at the Justice center. I was sworn in in May. You can see all of our different dates of swearing in This means that we enforce all the folder revised code. So if you have any questions about how the code works or the language of it. I won't say I'm an expert yet, but getting there After a year of reading and having that boulder revised code open at all times on the job.

[80:00] understanding. All of our municipal code is a lengthy task. So yeah. and so we patrol our parks and we make lots of contacts with folks throughout the day. we support the Samps work through their weekly clean up process in the field. with the utilities team and Bpd's homeless outreach team and we mostly connect people to the resources that we have in our parks. We talk to people about what's available to them, where they can go for better options sometimes. And then, obviously, we address violations as well. So the number one violation that we deal with are generally relating to dogs and other animals, and then trespassing and property damage followed that up and then drinking and smoking. Those are our top violations that we deal with. But other than that you know.

[81:01] we work closely with a lot of different departments. to provide these resources as well. We can't do it all on our own. We have housing and human services that works with us and provides a lot of information and a lot of support to us, because while we are versed in enforcement and education, we are not social workers. So we have a wonderful team of social folks out in the field and at the shelter as well. and you can see just some of the stuff that we do. We patrol 7 days a week from 7 Am. To 5 30 Pm. That is our hours for this year. and we go everywhere from the Boulder Reservoir to all the Boulder Creek path, biking up and down it to Shannon Ridge. I think that's our farthest South Park. So yeah. we collaborate with a lot of the different departments like, I told you, housing human services for sure. We also work with the police department on issues like criminal issues that we're seeing in the parks, for example. there was a lot of drug use happening at North Boulder Park during Little League practices, and that's not something we want to see during little week practices. So we worked with them to create additional patrols.

[82:25] those nights in those times. The Thursday night cruiser rides. That's another pertinent topic that we've seen a lot of vandalism from vandalism, fireworks, and even just violence as well. So that's something we're working on with them and providing security with the Boulder police Department on the Fourth of July we did a lot of preemptive enforcement when it came to grills, fireworks, dogs, alcohol, glass. anything and everything. and

[83:00] to quote our park operations, Senior Manager Dennis, it was one of the easiest years of a clean up on July fifth that they've had in many, many years due to enforcement reasons. And then we also work with our Animal protection department to, you know, focus on areas where we're receiving a lot of different complaints within our own department. We help our different work groups with projects and security and events. So if they're having a trail closure for maintenance purposes or forestry work. We will help with that. One of the big events that we have here in town is arts in the park. and we'll help close that area down so that the concerts can go on. We help with security and enforcement at the reservoir. The Iron Man, those really big races out there, and triathlons

[84:01] other tournaments at their sports, complexes, and even help during our volunteer projects if they need it. Community vitality. Obviously, we have so many events down here all the time, the entire summer, and even into the winter. so they'll reach out to us if they need specific support, and then we also patrol the Pearl Street Mall and we support our downtown ambassadors there. So the restrooms at 1,300 pearl and just walking up and down. That's another place where we support the police department as well with their limited Mall officers. and then education so well, education has not been our number one priority for this year. We're really getting enforcement under our belt for 2,023 It is something that we are looking more into. we do a lot of robing interpretation. So far. Rangers love the outdoors. We are a little bit nerdy most of the times when it comes to nature and sharing that with the community. But some other things that we've been working on is Bike safety. You'll see Spencer there on the left, helping out with a bike rodeo that he put on with Mitch trujio from the Boulder police department.

[85:21] I we explain a lot to kids like what Rangers do and how to get involved in their community and how to stay safe. So I spoke with the service initiatives. Ysi, When they were talking about what they want for Violet Park, which is very cool, they came up with a lot of cool ideas. and then Junior Rangers as well. We're looking into how we can get kids more involved in the Ranger world and their parks next door to their houses and all that. So education. And then, you know, miscellaneous fun things we could do with a lot of wildlife and

[86:02] we love dogs and animals of all kinds. We don't see as many cats, but we love dogs, of course. And so that is the Ranger program thus far. we're working on really building it from the ground up, working on standard operating procedures, and making sure that our staff are supported in the field and throughout the department and supporting all the things that parks and recreation does. So with that I open it to you all for questions about the Ranger program. Thank you very much. Crab, do you have questions or comments? And I do. This sounds great. Thanks for presenting. I'm curious about how the you said the number one area that you deal with has to do with dogs. How does that break down? Kind of like, what are the dog related? Kind of code violations you're constantly seeing. Yeah. So the first one is dog at large. So dogs running around unleashed. The second one is voice and side control regulations dealing with the tags where people can have their dogs off leash and making sure it's in the right areas. They're doing it in the right way. And

[87:21] Making sure the tags are actually on the dogs as well. And then after that it's like wildlife violations. chasing after wildlife dogs chasing after wildlife got it. Who enforces the ban on having dogs on Pearl Street. It's multiple people we do enforce it. It is one of our biggest complaints when it comes to animal related complaints. but I know the downtown ambassadors to educate on that as well, and the Vpds Mall officers.

[88:04] Thank you. I just like to thank you for your work on the dog issue. I'm I will go on the record and say that I'm not a dog person, and it really bothers me, and dogs are on misbehaved off leash. So thank you. Yes, I I agree with that. I was also wondering if we see it. Who do we call? Or how do we report? Yeah. So there's multiple ways that you can get in contact with the Rangers. if it's in general like dog issues. Inquire. Boulder is a great one to report issues to us under the parks and recreation tab. There's a park rules and problems, park rules and issues. that go directly to me, and otherwise we also have a urban ranger hotline. That is, (303) 441-4418. It is a a public line that anybody can call during our working hours and on duty. Ranger will answer, or you can leave a message, and then they click back to you.

[89:12] and then, after that, there's lots of ways you can get in contact with. This is the not emergency dispatch number. So yeah. so for the dispatch number, I think they only work until 4 pm. the police dispatch works like animal control. Or. yeah, they're on their own schedule and timeline. But if you call older P Pd. Not emergency. if they, they won't come for dogs only if they have. they would come. If there is nothing urgent, but they are usually something urgent. So I just want to learn how it works. So just to clarify if you call the boulder police department, non emergency dispatch line, which I believe is (303) 441-3333. that will get you through to a a dispatcher who can dispatch our urban rangers directly from that call And so anytime that there is a park issue. you are welcome to call that non emergency dispatch line and request a park ranger to come, and if they are

[90:26] on duty and available they will response to that emergency. The hotline number that Aaron also gave is a great is another great alternative. but that being said, they don't always re answer that phone number off if they're in the field interacting with the visitor, they may not answer that phone number directly. And so you may not get as immediate or a response, but not emergency, is a great way to contact our our on duty officers. Thank you. So if we see a dog without deletion prostate, we can. We have the option to call this patch

[91:07] and ask them to transfer to an urban ranger what your animal control? You would just say, there's a Could you send a a park Ranger? And if there's one available they they can dispatch directly from there. They won't transfer your phone call to a Ranger while animal protection and rangers do address many of the same violations of our code. I would tend to give animal protection those higher safety issues like when it comes to impounding a dog, or there's an injury. They are the one they're the experts on on that kind of stuff. when it comes to general violations like dogs on the Mall, dogs off leash voice and site control regulations rangers

[92:08] definitely, for there and then animal protection goes throughout the entire city and deals with animal violations while rangers focus on parks. So thank you. And you said that the number for the non emergency line was (303) 441-3333. Thank you. Yes. Option 8 is direct to a dispatcher. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for a great presentation. all right, just to. So I can understand your your capabilities. Are you sworn law enforcement officers? Can you make a rest? And are you on? No, we are a limited commission. We are not post certified, so we do not carry any firearms. and we do not make arrests. Okay, thanks. And thanks, especially for working on dealing with the consequences of homelessness and boulder. I know that's a

[93:04] very tough job, and I'm sure you see a lot that you take on with you at night. So thank you. Just one of their clarification for one way to to understand what the Urban Park Rangers can enforce versus what a fully peace officer certified officer can enforce the Urban Park Rangers. Their commission is through a municipal judge, and they can enforce against municipal code. And so that's where, if you think of the Boulder Revised Code, we have code of ground behavior in parks. We have code around like the voice and site program. Aaron mentioned anything that is a crime that is, against State statutes or other. Our our officers are not commissioned to enforce great thanks for that clarification. Now. okay, any other. Any further questions or comments? I do have another question. your talk. You were talking about the patrolling at around the North Molder Park.

[94:03] Can you explain, what exactly you have done before when people were doing drugs? Is that what you said before, like during practice? Or do you? So a lot of issues that deal with like chronic drug use or vandalism. All that related stuff often is solved through just more presence. And because people don't want to be contacted for these issues, they don't want to be like seeing when they're doing these things. And so more patrols there really solve the issue. and well. possessing and or using illicit drugs is a crime that rangers do not. cannot handle. We cannot write tickets for that. we can escalate it to the police level if needed.

[95:04] but otherwise, if we see those things, we generally ask people to leave our parks and public spaces and stop doing that activity. So thank you. Thanks. Good question. actually had another clarifying question on that. Just to, I'm curious to understand that issue a little bit more is that like on home on a house, people who are using the parts? Do you do drugs at the same time that baseball practice is happening? Or are we talking about like parents using the opportunity to get high? No, it was People not related to the games happening to the Little League folks. So, okay, thank you. The okay. Thank you. Everyone. Great presentation.

[96:00] next up, we have reimagining the Pacific area. Phase 2. All right, folks we're shuffling again. So she home in Korea. Gagla is a senior landscape architect on our team. She talked to you in January about the kickoff for this project tonight. She's here to give you an update on the scope phasing and timing. and while she gets set up and get started. I'm going to refill my water. and we'll be right back. almost perfect. He just got. We can all just take a little break here and reconvene when everyone's back.

[97:00] You just said the second break. Okay. Chuck, we'll let you know when we get back. Thanks. I can keep an eye on the podium, too. You you can't see me, but I can see you.

[100:21] No, I don't. I don't. So it's great. It is coming down. Yeah. so so

[101:14] used to be Alley all right. Used to be ally she was. You were the Leslie Nope of the Vpo. When you were the assistant for the deputy. Now it's it. It still might be a little more Leslie than Ron. Yeah. I think so. I do not. I like it. Yeah, there is no sales or wireless. I like this one that's sweet.

[102:00] No, thank you. I'm kind of a all right. Are we about ready to get rolling again for one short chuck. and you took off, and I mean she gathered up in verse and her laptop, and oh, she's I don't know. She may be coming back. Well, we have. Do we know? What did Anita leave leave? Or she let Rosa know she'd be logging on from home? But, I think if Chuck is here, you still have the 4 we have quorum check we have pour on, let's perceive.

[103:57] is Staff ready to go. We're ready, hey, Jack? I think we can go.

[104:02] Yeah, exactly. I'm sorry. I thought, I said. Let's go ahead. I probably muted myself and was talking. And yeah, go ahead, please. Okay, thanks. Check and thanks. Prab It's really great to be here again. I Just again. Shihomi Korea. I'm a senior landscape architect with the Parks department. I last spoke on civic area phase 2. Reimagining back in January So just reintroduction of myself. I know there's been new board members since then, and I would love to walk you through. We did a soft kick off in January. We're in a scoping and pre-planning phase with the staff. So now we are further along in the process. So I need to update you on what the scope looks like. How it's changed since January schedule, and I'd like to also update you on the public engagement plan a little bit of context I'll start with again, just for new board members, since it's been so long and just a reminder of what we last talked about. I'll walk you then through the changes to scope items like I've mentioned before, decision making process where prab fits into some milestones along that timeline, the updated project timeline, and again a high level. Look at what our engagement plan is shaping up to be

[105:29] so. the project context of civic area is, pretty exciting for boulder's future. It is the heart of downtown. So a high level we are bound by Ninth and Fourteenth Street, Canyon, on the north, and Arapaho on the south. So it is a collection of civic spaces, parks, spaces, and having the Boulder Creek run through it, we'll also be looking at a major connection up to cu campus with their new conference development center. So

[106:02] we touch a lot of spaces of downtown. We connect into some of the most iconic places Pearl Street as an example, and we're really making looking to make this place its own iconic piece of downtown boulder. So exciting project underway. And what we've done recently about. was it a week ago. Oh, my gosh, yes, it was a week ago today that we released the Rfp. For our phase. 2 scope right now we're in schematic design. And so the Rfp. Or request for proposal, is asking design teams to propose on this next phase. We have gone through the planning processes shown here. In the first half of this arrow we went to conceptual design, and that process was really from 2,012 to 2,015. I have links in the memo from the January memo that goes over some of the pre planning process. The concept design in 2,015 that city council approved.

[107:05] So basically, now, where we're at is, we're looking at an area where the master plan has generally laid out some guidance on programming of the civic area, and we're bringing it down to schematic designs. That design is that measured drawing. So where we have generalized area, open space civic plaza, we're now bringing it down to measured. How big are these spaces going to be? What materials are they made out of? And that way we can make informed decisions on phasing and funding for the majority of the civic area, as you'll see in a second. But I just wanted to highlight You'll see these checkpoints where we have in here for prab they align with what's in bright blue included in our scope. So we've asked, what will be the new design team. Once we've gone through an approval process to take us through a planning analysis.

[108:01] vision and values exercise. And then that schematic design. I just talked about. So at each one of those points we'll have at least one checking with Pr and just update you on multiple items with engagement from the community where we are at in the process when we get to schematic design, looking at design alternatives and through to a final plan implementation. Excuse me not implementation. Final plan, design. This is just a zoom in everything in that blue color. That bright blue color will be in the Rfp scope. And so that's definitely inclusive of looking at design. And what are we doing in terms of the arbor reading path and connecting up to that new development? For, see you. So I just want to make that note that that tale is included in the next phase of the scope, and when I zoom in you can really see all the assets and infrastructure that will be studying in the planning phase, as well as taking into

[109:05] that schematic design. So again, in that bright blue. You can see how the Pacific area really is. cholestering open space Civic Plaza space and several buildings. Municipal building band shell. A lot of the city on assets that are inclusive of this space. And then this diagram is just a look at the effort that we are really leading. It's great to be a partner. And as we are leading this project for Vpr, we are working closely with everything you see in the pink is the facilities department scope that we will work together on in terms of the analysis and looking at potential building, reprogramming. we're working with the planning department in terms of the East bookend and doing some market study analysis, and how we can best utilize the space right now, it's a lot of open parking lot, right? And so, how can we really capitalize off of a development in that area? And what does that mean for the part really? how does it stitch into the park? And how does it inform the park design?

[110:18] Transportation scope is in the orange that you see as well as community vitality will be key in the Thirteenth Street East Bookend. And anything that we're looking with parking will definitely be partnering with them. for this plan. So it's it's a big effort. And we're really excited to get this going and really excited about the request for proposal. Now, being out on the streets. Sorry? Yeah, and it can be hard to see on the screen. But that is where everything sort of comes together includes that green of Bpr community vitality is that blue? And then transportation scope is the green as well as that being bounded by the black dash line of planning. So it really almost includes all departments on Thirteenth Street.

[111:19] So last I showed oh, you know what, and let me go back. I should mention the difference. So the difference in this scope last we looked at the blue really encompassed this section right in here. So it included a Central Park. East Bookend, that Thirteenth Street connection. It did include the Arboretum, and we were just west with the Municipal building landscape, New Britain and Central Park studies. We've now increased our area to the parking above phase, one north of phase, one off of Canyon and a west bookend section of the park. So really, what this will help us do is create a holistic design for schematic design, and get a better idea of pricing

[112:06] for the design. And it really keeps it cohesive and intact, and making sure that the spaces really speak to each other as we move through analysis and design. Yes. the age. Well, building is that belong to the city? Is that city property? So with the changes? I'll just know I highlighted the task outline. We brought this up last time. task is 0 is really all internal. And this is what I was talking about, really kicking off in January. So the staff scope and planning phase as well as developing that community engagement plan. So what we've released for Rfp are the tasks one through 3, you see in blue, and that will be a consultant coming on board. with all of those moving pieces in that diagram that was multicolored. So they will have to have

[113:05] a really integrated team that includes all of those different all those different areas of study. And so it'll be a pretty big partnership with multiple departments across the city. With this design team. the future scope that we will take a pause at, and that's not included in this Rfp. Will be the Dds or design development to Cds or Construction documentation. And that's taking that schematic design into an even further detailed drawing to get it put into the ground. So we'll take a pause there right after schematic design, and we'll begin again to really kick off Dd's and Cds at a later date. So our decision making process, I wanted to highlight the levels of where we engage Prab. We, of course, have our master plan document. That's already approved by Council in 2,015. So that is the guiding framework that we will be using to make all of our decisions as staff and the consultant work together, making technical decisions and also collecting data.

[114:11] Part of that data will be the windows of engagement. And of course, doing outreach to the community and getting feedback perspectives of the park. What did we do? Right in phase one. What's missing in those implementations? And again, phase one is out there in in the ground today, between the Library and Municipal Building and north of Boulder Creek. So really getting a sense of how the community likes those improvements and what they want to see in the future. that will also include those checkpoints that I showed at the beginning slide. Those windows align with the areas that I showed for the proud milestones. So we'll be coming back to Prab. We'll be letting you know how the windows of engagement went, what we heard key takeaways from that process as well as when we get down into design. we'll look at board recommendations and reviews. So that will be in schematic design.

[115:05] We'll come back to Prab. You'll start to look at the design in terms of several options. and then we'll make decisions on the final plan and review that as well with prep. So just to be clear for those who maybe listening, and for those who are newer to the crab, the planning board actually approves or provides a recommendation to council. Not the crab. Correct. But we're we're providing a a review and recommendation about the design and all of that. Okay. So just as Elliot said, we will be working together with your board, and really looking at the first glances of what the options are, what we'd like to carry forward, and then the final plan, and how we would like to elevate it to the planning board for approval as well as city council. So

[116:06] we are here at the beginning of Q. 3 in 2,023 for this project schedule. We're gonna have to do a lot of that planning analysis, the vision and values which is sort of sort of going back to that master plan. We had several guiding principles, or the vision and values of the Master plan, and because it was done in 2,015. We want to just make sure. Go back to the community and do a gut check that that still lines the programming and the master plan still lines for how we want to use parks today. in 2020 25, we will move to schematic design. Once we've gotten all the feedback from the community from all the boards, and we'll start to put pen to paper and come up with a measured drawing of how that programming lays out into space. Design development is 2,026, and we are hoping for construction and implementation in 2,027 when we talk about construction and implementation. It will really be guided by what we've done in schematic design. In terms of pricing right? We'll really figure out the budget that we have what can be funded now, and so that will really guide us on what can be implemented in phase 2. And then what needs to be pushed to a phase 3.

[117:26] So for the community engagement, this is sort of a first look and very high level overview of what we're gonna be starting on civic area window. One will be that first planning analysis, and we'll do a soft kick up in kick off in September 2023. So what's up? Boulder will be happening September tenth, and we'll be there just to share the kick off of civic area along with other parks and Rec programs that will be commencing. And so gathering emails from the community checking general interest and making sure everybody's aware. For when we have updates. we'll be doing news blasts

[118:07] and e updates the be heard. Boulder page will be updated pretty soon. Here, we're working on that internally, and you'll see the launch of that as well in the next month. Once the consultant team comes on, we really do kick off the formal window of engagement in February 2024. So this is just informing the community of what the planning process will consist of, and then collecting perspectives on how the park is working today, and what they want to see, what they're looking forward to in the future. So as we move through the years. You can see vision and values. That's still part of the analysis. That'll be July 2024, as we move into design, it'll be March 2,025. And so we'll look at maybe not the entire plan changing for 3 different options. But maybe key areas will have some alternative organization that we can look at with the community.

[119:03] August 2,025 will share the preferred plan with the community, and then we'll definitely come back to the community, of course, to engage and let them know when we're starting construction and then park opening. Yes. in what are the community connectors being used at all in the community feedback. And where is that? Looking at this internally, and we may use some community connectors. What we see for the civic area, because it's such a regional draw and an all boulder asset as well as a really regional and hopefully nationwide. we will be really doing a stakeholder engagement. focus a community plan. But that will definitely include open houses for general community. It will possibly look at community connectors. When we say stakeholder focus, the stakeholders will be used to really help us integrate with the community because they have such a bigger reach, and we want to make sure we are inclusive of the entire community rather than starting from one neighborhood at a time. If that makes sense.

[120:22] I didn't realize that the community connectors were neighborhood specific. I thought they were more experience specific. it actually really is just up to how we would like to utilize the engagement of community connectors. The problem with the civic area is again it. It needs to touch almost every neighborhood. And so we really need to think, rethink, if we use the community connectors? Are they a part of a stakeholder group? Are they a part of a larger nonprofit? Do they have connection to

[121:00] a specific community or or representative group at large. Is that what the focus of the community connectors is is kind of to represent people with different lived experiences and how they can have input on whether a place feels inclusive to them. I'll offer a recommendation. What I think we can do with the community. Connectors and residents is twofold. One is that we will develop a full and and more while we have the the framework of the engagement plan is being developed once it's complete. One ways, the community connectors and residents and get input on thoughtful, meaningful place based engagement, and then also in that plan that would identify other windows where it might be appropriate to speak specifically to the community connectors and residents. And I I think. Wonder if Sheomi is also thinking about Violet, where we've actually hired 2 community connectors and residents to serve specifically for that project? This one's a little different, because that's what I think. Maybe you're comparing it with.

[122:13] Thanks, Sally. So this is just a look at the engagement window one, and really breaking it down by what we'd like to inform. And we can start with looking to to incorporate the community connectors into this as well as surveying general community on building that foundation for inquiry about the planning process. What this planning, planning process looks like. The timeline getting them a better sense of as we move through the future. What upgrades can they look forward to? The consult Part of this would be through listening to what areas of improvement are working for them. Again, between the library and the Municipal Building and north of Boulder Creek, as well as the existing areas in that blue scope area that we looked at together. So really, kind of a comprehensive data collection on the users of the space and what they'd like to see

[123:16] in the new part design going forward. And then that vision and values gathering information and listening to really, what does what's working, maybe what needs to be added to from the master plan and the guiding principles. And then who we would reach we're starting to put together access considerations multiple stakeholder groups. So this is inclusive but not limited to at this time. We have a lot of stakeholder groups that we definitely need to touch The boards will be Pr. Of course planning will be included. Council. something on here that we do need to add absolutely would be the landmarks board just as we go through the historic district application and then incorporating this

[124:00] this community plan we are working with the communication and engagement department of the city, and we will be running it through our racial equity instrument as well as a messaging process or a messaging strategy for the civic area just to kick it off. So we have a lot more work to do. this is the first look at everything for the community engagement plan. but we'll we'll come back to prab with an update on this when we get kicked off, and when we get our new consultant team on board. So so that's the end of the update for scope timeline and the first glance of the community engagement. I just wanted to follow up with any questions specifically on the updated scope that Prad may have, and also that first look of the community engagement plan.

[125:03] Thank you. Shahomi. I do have a quick comment. I'm I'm glad to see the expansion to include the arboretum area and the I don't want to call a linear park, but I guess it's a a tail extending down toward the University, especially with the development of that hotel and conference center at the top of the hill. I think that's going to be a very important connecting element between these 2 really dynamic areas of town and giving people a nice environment to walk through or bike through. To get between the 2, I think, is is really important. I see that the trail hugs the recrect field for Boulder high School. and I wonder if there's been any consideration of bringing in Bbsd and as a partner. either possibly trading a bit of land or something to

[126:02] get that segment a little more expanded. So it's not just a path, but it might have a bit more in terms of arbore-like elements or greenery. They have a chainling fence right along there right now. It's like a 12 foot high chambering fence. that's pretty unappealing. So you're sandwiched in between private property, and then the the chain link fence which makes it unappealing. Another question I had was. there are several city buildings in here on the flood plane that I guess are going to be abandoned by the city. and the staff are going to be moving to the Alpine Balson complex. So the timing of the construction will, I guess, have to depend on the timing of the construction of Alpine balsam. and I wonder what the phasing was like between those 2 projects. And if it's kind of work out. yeah, thanks for that check. So the first question on the arboretum path, we definitely have started conversation with, see you on potential partnering with the path. I know they have a lot of students, and with the new Conference center and hotel, they'll have even more population using the multimodal path out there today. So absolutely looking at what we can do in terms of partnership will be included in boulder high as well. and we do know that while we

[127:29] sort of a but different land between Bpr boulder high and see you, there's definite potential for partnership that we're looking forward to and starting the conversations with both groups. So the other, the other note I should add to is a Bpr does own more parcel down at the base of the arboretum path. And so we're looking to include that into the overall design and really create a great landing space at the base, right in here south of Arapaho and connection up to Thirteenth. This will really be a key connector up to Pearl Street. So really, looking at all of the area around to connect, tied together and help with way findings, security, safety as well as moving people through the space and really place making

[128:23] thanks. And then my other question was about phasing of the up on Boston. And this, yes, I'm sorry. So Alpine balsam will be phased over. So in the next several years we'll see the design for that campus come out, and really we're tying into all the work that they're doing in Alpine balsam in terms of if I zoom in New Britain and Park Central in the Master Plan, these are shown as city facilities to be deconstructed and converted back into park. we are still going to study that, and that will align with the Alpine balsam timeline. So when I say that that hinges on when city staff moves out of that asset of those assets as well as potential for the atrium to come online. And I'm just looking at potential for the municipal building as well.

[129:15] So yeah, great things. I I just might have an impact on the timeline that you you put up just to be super clear that the whole idea with the Rfp. Is that we have a cohesive. One place schematic design for this. This. This is the largest swath of public space in in downtown boulder. The construction is gonna have to happen in phases for 2 key reasons, one. We don't have enough money to do it all. We can't do it all at once. The the rough order of magnitudes, 40 million dollars, not including the vertical construction and buildings. And so that that is not funding that is available. the other reason it's gonna have to happen in phases is You mentioned the comment about the decommissioning of city facilities, so we know that there are facilities that are under utilized by the city. The city has been in the

[130:05] and the process in the past of kind of land making through buildings. And so we have this, this hodgepodge facilities that aren't meeting modern needs. City council gave approval in June to explore selling some of these facilities so that the city could centralize and have a Western city campus at all time. Boston, the age Wall center, the Atrium building, the cold storage building. are all up consideration for how they could be used. They're in the high hazard flood zone and have other limitations. So it's it's not going to be an easy process. We fully expect that any development east of Thirteenth Street and west of Eleventh Streets. Fine. The path through the park, at the library, and the bridge is gonna is gonna have to be phased pending those major outcomes. could you please go back to the page where you outline the stakeholder groups?

[131:06] so this section here is kind of what I was more looking to see the extra efforts to reach underserved groups like that are reflected on the main page. So I'm glad to see that you have that here including other populations that may not be. You may not hear from them in the other outreach activities that you do. I was just wondering that I notice you have unhoused engagement. Is it also going to include low income segments like that are not unhouse? But they're not wealthy. That's a great question. Yes, it will include low income. And we will be looking at different options. So to go back to not only the engagement, but also our market and feasibility study just looking at best case for land use. looking at the age. Well, that does have the senior living and older population, but also affordable housing will be studying best land use for civic area. So as we move out of some of these buildings or

[132:21] really weighing what is appropriate for civic area? And if it can have a a land use that is supportive of more affordable housing. We know that while we're working with P. And Ds. Or planning department there. let me go back to. They're working on a larger study on the 1,400 block and looking at the affordable housing potential here, and so just how best to connect and invite and create spaces for different populations. is it only on the 1,400 block? Is it inclusive of anywhere in civic areas? So we'll be studying all of that, and inclusive of the community engagement as well.

[133:08] It's great to hear, because like, just when I was at in this space this last weekend, I was really noticing that there a diversity of income levels are enjoying using the creek, and it would be nice to ensure that we continue to have a space that's open and welcoming to people from all economic backgrounds, not just like around housing, but more recreation and activities. Great. Thank you, Anna. I would just to make a comment. That I think engaging with, see you, boulder is going to be really important because the university has a pretty I would imagine, has a great incentive to ensure that the connector path through the Arboretum is ideal, for, especially when there's going to be so much more traffic between the new Conference center and the university and the downtown area.

[134:05] so I'm I'm hopeful that the University will be a good partner with the city on this. Yeah, we've started conversations with, see you? And they're very excited about this project. they are excited for partnership opportunities along with our planning group. So we're also looking in conjunction with our planning group. How can Ourbreedum help support also any development on the hill? that's we've seen decline after pandemic. I mean, really, there's a lot of opportunity here after the pandemic to reinvigorate spaces. Right? So they also didn't even mention that. the other hotel that's going in across the street from the conference room or Kitty Corner is going to create even more traffic. So this is really an important artery for the city in the next 10 years. I should say we're working closely with planning as well as transportation on this, because it is while it is place making. It is talking about revitalization for commercial and real estate opportunity. It is about also moving people through the space.

[135:14] Great. Thank you all for your comments. Are there any more questions for she home? Nice job! Great thanks. Next we move on to the proposed August crab tour. Thank you for that, she homing. Thank you. Great job. This is such an exciting pro project. On that note we know one of the things boards have enjoyed. Prior was actually seeing some of the projects that we're talking about. And so post cip finalization. We have proposed a draft tour. Your august agenda. We've tried our best to protect it so that there is time to get out in the field. I want to give a caveat we've proposed a pre meeting. Just informal dinner here from 5 30 to 6. We're gonna have agenda setting with the chair and vice chair on Thursday or Friday, I believe, and it may be that we need a 20 min of just in-person meeting to talk to you about

[136:16] a couple of business items that are still TV. I thought it would be coordination with the landmarks board. But that'll come. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry we're talking about the August meeting, I think at your August meeting we're gonna need 1520 min of business time to talk about collaboration with the landmarks board around the historic district. And so what we'll probably shift is that we would propose. and this is where we need to been put from you all. We could start at 5 30 with dinner and meeting, or I know plenty of folks are here volunteering and also have a full time job. We can still start at 6 30. It'll just mean a little bit longer of an evening. So that's one area with, like your input for sure. as far as the sites that we visit. We'd love to walk you through the park here downtown and just talk about some of the key elements we hope to achieve in that project.

[137:03] We would love to go over to North Boulder Park and talk about the major improvements that are planned in the capital there, and the connectivity with the Alpine Balson site that we've been talking a lot about from there. We would love to go to the Park on Violet and talk to you about that planning process and community engagement. And then we would love to finish at the East Boulder Community Center, because that is the recreation Center, where we're advocating for a major investment to make sure that it can support the community. because we see cascading investments coming at north and south, and if we can get East up to speed and take care of some major energy issues and building issues. It can and help support. While we then phase in the other facilities. So so those are the sites we are proposing, visiting. We welcome your input on format, on schedule, on locations. And specifically, a question for you would be is, are you okay? Starting at 5, 30, or would you like to stick with 60'clock?

[138:02] I would be given the given the scope of what you're proposing I would recommend. We start at 5 30 and just start on site but I also could see a benefit of meeting to eat first and then go. It just depends on how many hours we anticipate is taking. How do you get around for all that? Oh, good question! We have 15 passenger vans And so the idea! That's a key question. Thanks for asking it. The idea would be to start here. Have dinner. I think we're going to need 20 min of a meeting which is not on this draft agenda. Talk to you about the historic places. so we would start here in chambers, brief meeting and dinner, and then walk through the civic area, and then in the buses. We would travel around town and then bring you back here? Can we eat as we meet? Say that again? Can we eat as we meet or meet as we eat? Certainly I'm comfortable with it. If you are, some people are uncomfortable eating on camera. So I would say, that's also a board question.

[139:11] Yeah, I, personally would like to start at 5 30 and eat while we meet. just so we can get going. And just so we have as much daylight as possible to do all this, too. That's fine with me. and we've already talked. We'll have box lunches for that meeting, so that you can also maybe eat as we tour great. So i' a little concerned that the amount of time spent at each one of these venues is a little short, like. I can imagine. You know, when when people are there they get excited. They have all kinds of questions and want to dig in a little bit. they're all really important, and I want to see them all, so I don't. I don't have one. I would want to drop but I'm a little concerned that it's it's kind of ambitious.

[140:04] I'd love to hear the Board's thoughts on that I agree. It's ambitious. Time is precious. Sunset on that day is at 7 40, so we'd probably have about 20 min after that before the parks are dark. But that's why we've proposed it ending at East, where we'd be inside. I mean, we could talk about the Park. It's actually a well at Park, so it's a great spot to end. but I'd love the Board's discussion. We would. We would not have extensive staff conversation, I think, for each of these sites we would you? You've heard about each of these projects in depth, and so perhaps we could send a one pager on each in advance that you could have reviewed and we wouldn't. We would limit presentation to allow time for walking in quick questions. So that's one way we could facilitate it. And I'd love to hear the Board's responses to Chuck's inquiry about how much time to spend at each site. And

[141:00] it's, you know, it's easy for me to say, because I really I don't have no obligations at home most of the time. But if we go longer. It's not going to impact my evening. Can you repeat? So we've got North Boulder. Violet and East Rec Center and the civic area. So 4 places that does sound really ambitious. How many, how much time would we spend on average at each place? So doing the math? It's like a 3 h meeting we've proposed 20 min at each spot, but 30 at East, because we would want to talk about both the facility and the park. We've proposed 10 min of travel, time for everything except getting from the park on Violet to east, because that can take 15 to 20 min.

[142:07] I think, if we, if we conceive of this as a place together information, and not a place for us to ask Staff a lot of questions, and we all understand that going in it, it might be doable. I'm just concerned, you know, that that we'll all get excited and have lots of questions, because that's one of the great things about being there. You can see the side. And you you you understand? You know it brings up all these questions at the top of your mind, and should we consider starting at 5? I, personally could do that. that would be fine with me.

[143:02] I don't know how to how to proceed with this. can we? Can we do a doodle poll or something to just find out if if people are going to be available and then set set the time based on that. Yeah, I guess we'd have to do that in the next couple of days. Mr. Chair, can I propose a straw poll of the members present, and then we could go from there. That's a great idea. Sounds like 2 people can do it. How about you, Anna? yes, I can, too. Okay, yes, I can do it. Okay, thanks. I think I can. I may be traveling again, so I might have to miss this. But if I'm in town. I can do it. I can imagine Anita might be the most time time constrained, so we should check with her. As your voice is very valuable

[144:05] Rosa. Would it be possible for you to send emails to the remaining members to see if they would be amenable to a 50'clock start time for the next meeting. Yes, I can do that. Thank you. I want to acknowledge this is a great problem to have that you all are interested in the projects that we need to talk about, want to make sure we have ample time for it. So we, we we appreciate and advance your enthusiasm. Yeah, I think with the 50'clock start time that would enable us to see the 4 places and provide sufficient time for each. And I'd rather do start earlier and see all of them then have to cut one out. Can I summarize and make sure we've heard the board's input so that we can plan accordingly, since the next time we see you will be that date. So I think I've heard is that we're gonna we're gonna check in with Jason Sunny and

[145:02] Anita on a 5 Pm. Start time, and if that works we would start at 5 Pm. We will have to convene a meeting. I'm I'm fairly certain, for a matter talking about to get your input on coordination with the landmarks board, and so we would have a brief meeting. We would have box dinners. We would walk around the civic area and do that tour, and then we would travel to North Bartle Park, and so we'll eat as we as we work. That sounds great to me. Okay, we'll also prepare. I think we'll prepare a one-page project summary of each project. That is very brief, what is the timeline? What is the scope? What is the budget? what are prab touches on that item? So you have something tangible in front of you for some of the more more frequently asked questions, and that can also help, maybe facilitate a better experience. It sounds great to me. Thank you for your flexibility.

[146:02] Okay? And I guess we'll need to resolve the question of the scheduling for the remaining free members of before our agenda setting meeting right. So next couple of days we'll need to get and get back. Okay. Thank you. that concludes matters from the department. We'll move on to matters from the board, starting with the can of discussion. Okay. So. as you see, attached to the packet, we have a draft handbook that I've put together. in consultation with the city attorney's office. The city attorney's office didn't have much feedback. There were a couple of items that had to do with like making sure that our handbook language was consistent with the the revised code, but otherwise

[147:03] They were happy to see this, and are are hoping that they can potentially expand this to other groups after we've piloted it. But I would just make a few notes. One is that there you'll see that on the second or third page of the Handbook. There's a blank page for the welcome letter from the current board share person. so we'll wanna make sure that we have that ready to go for the final handbook. But right now it's just a placeholder. There are a number of highlighted and bracketed terms throughout the Handbook that those are just highlighted in bracketed for now. just to show you that we've we're hyperlinking those. But in the final prep packet those will just be hyperlinks without the brackets and highlighting. and then you'll see that attached to the to our handbook is the

[148:02] is a memo from the city attorney's office, about public meetings, open records, and the code of conduct. That is an updated version of what was there previously. And, as you can tell, it's it's updated. Since the the the last one was had hadn't been touched, I think, since 2,008 or something. So they were. They had a new one for us. this is just the first reading. So if you guys want to give me some feedback on this, I can go in and change it, or make revisions. and then we can have a second reading of it. At our next meeting, where we're actually convened. I'll also know that there are a couple of blank spots throughout the Handbook that are cross-references like C section blank above or below. Those will be filled in at the end, when we've finalize the actual handbook. and that's all for me. For now.

[149:04] Elliot, I read this the day before yesterday, and you did a fantastic job. I want to really thank you for doing it. but a lot of effort into it. It's really clear. I got a while reading it again. so so just thank you. I will definitely work on a letter the opening letter from the current chair before I'm not the current chair anymore. I'll get it done. And yeah, it was fantastic. I also appreciated the additions from the from the city attorney. I learned that I may have been doing something, but I probably shouldn't be doing so. I will consult the city attorney about that. Thank you, Chuck, appreciate it. The labor of love. Well, it shows you did a great job. Thanks. I actually learned a lot about Robert's rules when I wrote this. So

[150:04] yeah, one of the well, the disturbing things for me personally was realizing I might have to adjudicate a conflicts based on Robert's rules, which means I have to freedom. I'll try to find a time for that. Great thanks, Chuck. Are there any other comments or questions on the draft? I just thank you for putting it together. I I have not read it thoroughly. So I taking through. Yes, thanks for taking the time to work on that true so Are there any specific edits or comments. that I can change for the next time we review, this sounds like we're pretty close here to having a finalized product. I'd like to have input from the other the absent

[151:02] board members before we move forward with finalizing it. But we probably will only need a second reading of this. There obviously need to be some like a close proof of this to make sure that there are no typos and whatnot which I can do, of course, but I would appreciate another set of eyes on this from the staff, if possible. to make sure we're not misspelling something. Oh, great! That'd be awesome. I didn't mark them down because I was reading it on an airplane. But yeah, and I'm I'm looking through it right now, and I see a couple of like on italicized it's and misspelling. So we'll I'll grab those great thank you. And then just a question for staff since our next meeting is going to be a fuel trip. We're not going to have time to address this. That's up to the chair and the vice chair at the agenda setting meeting, but based on the conversation I just heard about ample time for touring, and given that this is an urgent you could, we could schedule this meeting for September.

[152:09] And that's fine with me. I just wanna make sure we're we're not expecting to finalize this. Okay? Great. So we'll just talk about that at the agenda setting meeting later this week sounds great, great and thanks everybody for their input on this. This is that was very helpful. Yeah. Once again, a great job. Okay, fall study session meeting, planning. I probably supposed to do something here. But I don't have anything ready to talk about. Is there someone that can discuss this. Can staff or ally. Can you remind us what we what we were looking at for this planning? I think you 2 were just going to introduce the idea that for

[153:00] I don't know how many years now 6, 7, something. The prab has elected to have a retreat in the fall. Once the new members have had 5 to 6 months to get up to speed. The purpose of the retreat has shifted over time. In the most recent years. It's had 2 major functions, one for the Board to revisit how it's working together and talk through procedure, how things are going. If there's anything I'll give an example as a As a result of their treat. One year a subcommittee of board members worked on some guidelines for presentations. They felt like both the Department and other departments were bringing. I'm I'm gonna it's 8, 34. So I'll just be really direct. Some of the presentations will really long. They were very boring. They did not have clarity as to the perhaps role, and so that subcommittee created clear guidelines. We used to this day for both our team. It's and other departments who want to come. Present the prop. so that was really helpful. So that's part one of the meeting. It's been on function and and effectiveness. The other part of the meeting has been for the board to talk about space

[154:03] specific topics. either on the department's work plan or on their own. So, for example, last year the Board wanted an overview of undeveloped land in parks and recreation, and how we are planning for that, and also talking about the safe and manage public spaces. Work. You heard Aaron talk about that a little bit tonight with the Ranger Pilot. It's a topic we talk about a lot with City Council, but it hasn't come up specifically with the prop. And so the the Board asked for a presentation and discussion on that topic. Thanks for that clarification. When I read study session, I wasn't. That's how we we we renamed it because it's not a retreat. It's not a team building opportunity, it's not it. And so it was a bit of a misnomer. And so I think I think some folks who've been on the board for a while suggested it be renamed because people here retreat, and they think that we're going to be doing Trust falls and and and other things. Sometimes people do it retreats. Okay. So what I recall from last time was

[155:01] that there was an issue of when this is going to be. and what we're going to have on the agenda. So we start with the when did we identify like a time, a general timeframe? Was it November? I think that was one of the boards one of your hopes for tonight to start seating. When does that make sense? All one of the items that has driven timing in the past. A third element that has been talked about at the study session is the perhaps letter to Council in the past. Every year city Council asked for a letter from boards, letting them know what was going on. What were their hopes, concerns, and worries. This Council has changed that a little bit. They wanted something a little more meaningful from boards, and so they have changed the way they do that outreach. I don't know what it will look like this year. I don't know who the Retreat Committee is, and so we can start trying to feel for information. I suspect we won't know until October or November, if they're this council. There are 5 seats that are up for election.

[156:02] and so their work planning retreat in January will be a big conversation about work plan priorities. Because typically there's every 2 years there's a major work plan, retreat of city council where they identify items. So there is the potential. They will want input from the crab on what should be on their work plan. And we can try and learn more, but I don't think we'll know until October. When did we do this last year? Early November? Okay, November seventh November, right? It was a couple of weeks before Thanksgiving. our chuck Did you want to run the discussion of the board on this item? Because I I remember we started this last time, and we didn't. We wanted to re discuss it like just general timing. And I think that what we discussed so we would send out a doodle poll with some potential dates after this meeting. Yes. it was by the end of August that I started the Doodle Pool.

[157:04] but I think the purpose of today's discussion would be just to get a general sense of when people are available or not available. And if you know, late October, early November seemingly works for people, we would do the doodle poll. Yeah, I I think that's a good time for me personally. we we only have 4 members present. So we are going to get a full sense of when people are available. Right? But I do think that I do the whole this month this coming month would would be a great idea. I guess I would add a couple of things to what Alley said one is that we do do some team building activities. We try to learn a little bit more about each other. And are we like as people? And I think that's always valuable But also it's an opportunity for people who are not the chair and vice-chair to sort of step into a leadership role and to and to run the retreat separately from the chair and vice chair. So that's also an important element

[158:02] people sort of sort of building building leadership capacity within within the board. so I guess, with all that said. we should probably tentatively plan for a late October early November timeframe for the study session. and we should get a doodle pull out. I would prefer early August, if that's possible, Rosa. for people to sort of flesh out when they see if there are any big holes when people will not be available that we need to work around. And then, I think in the next meeting, well, next meeting we'll have a I'll be traveling around. I have much time to meet. We do need to identify people who are going to be in charge of the study session and identify the topics and come up with an agenda.

[159:03] So if we do that in September. the September meeting that'll still give us time. We'll have a month before a late October November meeting. It wouldn't be enough time to fush out an agenda. My only concern, Chuck, is that the September meeting is late September. and that's kind of a crunch in time to presuming that it's in early November. I think we're okay, because that's 5 or 6 weeks out. But if it's a late October meeting that's going to be really tight. So I don't know how to address that specifically other than to say. my only recommendation would be as part of the doodle poll. Maybe we could ask people an open-ended question. or maybe not a doodle poll, but like an additional email or something that's, you know, asking people to give ideas for

[160:01] what they want to hear about or what they want to talk about. And then we. you? And maybe during the agenda setting meeting on later this week, we could talk about how we're going to go about identifying folks to run the meeting. That sounds great. I don't want to dump an opening a question on Rosa, though, so why don't you and I come? Come up with the day? A charge 2 to ask. hmm! We're losing you. Check to come up with the hey? Chuck your. I think your bandwidth is is telling you that it's done for the night. Here's what I've heard, and here's what we can make happen beyond a doodle tool. We do have survey instruments where we could work with Chuck and Elliot to get out a a survey to you all that one pulls on dates. And then, to whatever open ended or short form response question you want to use to mind for topics for discussion?

[161:20] I think that's a great idea. How did we identify who was gonna do it last time. Did we do that in a meeting we just kind of someone volunteered as to who was going to run the meeting. who was going to plan it for the retreat. There's been a committee, typically of of either the chair and vice chair or a couple of like Pam had been very interested in helping to plan the retreat. Was it one of the Crab numbers to do that? Okay. yeah. My recollection last year is that the chair and vice chair were not very involved in the retreat planning. It was handled separately from them. But I'm happy to have some some role. I I just wanted to give an opportunity for other members of the Board to.

[162:13] you know. Yeah, have an opportunity to to try running for a while. Yeah, yeah, Jason, and I kind of ran it last year if I request. Yeah, that's right, and did a good job. Thank you. This is sort of a full day meeting. That's it's a it, it it it basically is the span of a regular meeting. But it's just a special study. It's a study session. It's not a it's not categorized. Well, why don't we trade some emails and see if we can come up with some questions, some prompts, I guess. More than questions. To get feedback from the rest of the members, and

[163:00] we won't have that done by the agenda setting meeting, but we can We can at least get the foundation of a poll. But they could be set out. Yeah. Good idea. Okay. okay, We'll do that and try to move things forward fairly briskly. Given that we have the August field session and a late September meeting. Okay, moving on to crab matters. This is an opportunity for proud members to bring up any feedback they've heard from members of the community, or any topics of concern that are broad enough to be brought before a prab. Yeah. so I just wanted to discuss a little bit about a article that I saw this last month

[164:03] in the New York times. And it was just talking about how drowning is the number one killer of young children in the United States, and that the United States is the only developed country without a Federal plan about how to prevent drowning and teach swimming to children. and the plan highlighted or sorry, the article highlighted about how disparities among some groups in the United States have worsened and the United States is no longer decreasing number of drownings each year. So some of the kind of equity issues that they highlighted in the article I really see reflected here in boulder so families children from who use multi-family pools are 28 times more likely to drown than single family homeowners.

[165:01] children Black children are 2.6 times more likely to drown than white children. And there's kind of an intergenerational aspect of not learning to swim that parents who don't know how to swim. The children have a 87% chance of also not learning how to swim. so I really see a lot of those patterns reflected. at the pool. it might children's classmates, and here in the creek. and I just really would like to see Boulder make its own plan in the absence of a Federal plan for teaching children to swim. Thank you. Yeah, thank you very much for that. I read the same article. yeah, it's it's pretty astonishing. And I think that we.

[166:02] being living among the more privileged in Boulder which is itself a privileged community. A lot of this is hidden from me, you know I don't. I don't go to many apartment complexes where there are pools there. Many of these children are at risk and I go instead to you know the public pools where you see. A lot of have to be children playing under a careful supervision of their parents. So I agree that it's a topic that we should discuss. And I wonder if there is an opportunity for an agenda item to talk about the programs we have for getting low-income children into swimming classes. And I know we have them through expand and other programs and play play boulders programs. but maybe a renewed focus on that and sort of highlighting. That particular topic is a key area of equity

[167:00] would be at that. Anything to to forward in a future meeting that would be great check. I also think there's kind of just an assumption that swimming is something that everybody knows how to do like when they works presenting tonight from the rowing team. They said that there's no skills required, but it does require that, you know, have an ability to swim and not drown if you're in open water and your fall out of the boat. So it's excluding a significant percentage of the boulder population that doesn't have those basic skills. Yeah, I agree. Well, maybe that's something we can just consider at the agenda setting, setting meeting to see if we can set it up for a few months from now. and we have some an open slot to discuss it. Yeah. And I would support that, too. Chuck, thanks. Right? Thanks for bringing that up, Anna.

[168:01] anything else from on Pr matters. Anything else we'd like to bring forward. Yeah, I just would like to comment that I was at bike and Dog Park this weekend, and it was really just a fabulous experience. just the park looks amazing. The new pump track is awesome. The parking lot is awesome. I my only gripe is that It was an extremely hot day, and there was. I couldn't find a water fountain to fill up water. on that side of the park. I had to walk back to the kind of that house. That's toward the kind of the west side of the park. And it. It wasn't a a safety health issue for me, but like it could have been because it was really, really, really hot. and I think that we should be providing if we're not in the process of constructing a water fountain on that side we should be And I would actually advise that we consider a temporary water fountain structure of some kind, because, given the heat waves. We're seeing global warming.

[169:12] you know, this problem isn't going to go away. and I know that we're building a huge structure over there, that's gonna probably have, like the most amazing water phone. Never. But it was a problem for me with my son on the weekends just for, briefly. And I'm imagine that there are other families that have that issue, too. So I just wanted to raise that issue. Thanks. I I have 2 quick notes. First of all, I have the opportunity to have a coffee with Auntie Jeffords from play boulder a couple of weeks ago, and it was really wonderful to meet her and hear about what they do, and how would they interact with parks? so I was glad to glad to make that connection. And then I just wanted to return very briefly to the court issue. I'm looking forward to meeting with Tina, and just kind of getting a little bit more detail about. Actually, I hope to get a lot more detail about her work and what's planned.

[170:05] but I'd love to hear from you, Ally, like about your thoughts on a communication plan, because it feels like every week, every month we come here, and we hear from the community about the issues with courts. Seems like I think we would all agree. There's a need for more tennis facilities in the city, everyone working towards that. I do think there's an opportunity to improve the way that we're talking to the public about what we're doing. it seems like they don't. They don't know what we're doing clearly, and then they should. So that's the conversation that I'd love to have with you, Alison. to figure out how we can better tell folks what we're what we're doing for them. I really appreciate that because we agree. we meet with representatives of Boulder Tennis Association, boulder, County Pickle Ball Monthly. They are considered key stakeholders in the project. And we're having some kind of a language barrier, and I don't know if it's the words we're using, or if it's some of it is just, there's a speed at which we're working it which we have to work. That is, that is part of the

[171:08] the challenge. However, that is an area where we think board liaisons might be able to help is bridge that gap, and if it, if the language we're using is too bureaucratic, or you know not it helping to add to barriers, we we welcome that input so that hope hopefully should be part of the conversation with you with Tina Great and I. At some point we'd love to join those meetings with the stakeholders and and speak with them more directly. That's it for me. Okay, for that, I appreciate it. Yeah, thank you. Anything else from the board. No, okay. I think the next thing is adjourning. So unless there's anything else that anyone needs to bring up. I will entertainment a motion to adjourn the meeting move to adjourn the meeting.

[172:00] I will second it. Oh, you got it! You got it for? Okay, all in favor of adjourning. Aye. hi! Hi!