December 1, 2025 — Human Relations Commission Special Meeting

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Manually captioned by City of Boulder staff. All segments attributed to uploader — not individual speaker labels. [MM:SS] timestamps correspond to the YouTube recording.

[0:08] Okay. Good evening. It is… Monday, December 1st, 515, and this is the HRC retreat. And… Carlos, I will pass it to you to… Start us off tonight, we have a little bit of a… interesting agenda, because we are going to be swearing in our new commissioners. We have one agenda item, to discuss, and then we will Have our retreat. So I pass it over to you, Carlos. Okay, buenas, noches, muyco Christian. Tenemos come back in the… Boyd.

[1:02] Vamos a tomos pureamento a nuestros nuevos comisionados. la palabra. different forward. The first item on tonight's agenda, we will do the, swearing in of our new commissioners, and we have on camera up here Mindy Miller, who's joining us from the East Coast, and she's just going to… Take the oath for, Tonight, and then we'll join her family, and then we'll join us in, meetings afterwards, and Jorge, we have in person. So I think the best way to do this is probably gonna be… I will read out the… Oath, Mindy, and you can just repeat after me, and we can do one after the other? Yep.

[2:08] Mindy, can you hear us? We can hear you, yes, that works. Okay. So… Bear with me just a second… Oh my gosh. So, Mindy, if you can, just repeat after me… Reds. I'm Mindy Millard. Hi, Mindy Miller. Do you solemnly swear or affirm. Do you solemnly swear or affirm? that I will support the Constitution of the United States of America. that I will support the Constitution of the United States of America. And of the state of Colorado. End of the state of Colorado. and the Charter and Ordinances of the City of Boulder. and the Charter and Ordinances of the City of Boulder. And fifthly, one with duties of office of a member of the Human Relations Commission.

[3:03] and faithfully… faithfully perform the duties of office of a member of the Human Rights Commission… Human Relations Commission in Boulder. Perfect, on which I am about to enter. On which I am about to enter. Fantastic, and just, a housekeeping item, I did receive your signed copy, and so I will, after tonight's meeting, sign it, and you'll have, the final copy in your inbox. Great, thanks. And with that, congratulations, we're very happy to have you! Thank you for accommodating my… not being able to be there. I appreciate it, and I'm sorry to miss. All good, we're happy to have you for the brief time that we have, and we'll let you get back to family time. Thank you very much. Okay, thank you. Hi, Mindy! Alright.

[4:03] Jorge! There we go. Ready to roll? Do you want to just read it off the screen? Since you can actually see it, thank you. Hi, Jorge Martinez. that I will support the Constitution of the United States of America, and of the State of Colorado, and the Charter and Ordinances of the City of Boulder, and faithfully perform the duties of the office of a member of the Human Relations Commission on which I am about to enter. Alright, cool, thank you, and I did get your signed copy as well, so… We are all good to go. Let me pass back to… Okay.

[5:00] Carlos, kind of pass it back to you. Bueno, maestro 10e punto es… Vamos a hablar sobre una carta. Si tostamos de puerto envierce la conse con municipal. Maurice. Entonces, para esto nos va dirigir, Christian, de… Como, podemos elaborar esta cante. Fantastic. So, for the first time in two years, the, Boards and Commissions… Commission or Committee? Foreign Commission staff have informed us that City Council is accepting Letters, in advance of their retreat, where we can suggest priorities, priority items.

[6:06] I have here… a sort of template, that was provided to us that we are to follow if, the Commission would, like to Provide this. Recommendations from boards and commissions to inform discussions at their 2026 Council Retreat. Setting one-year council priority projects. Priorities be limited in number and expected to be able to be completed in 12 months or less. Yeah, and… Proposed priorities should align with the citywide strategic plan or existing department plans for each board and commission.

[7:03] Hmm. And… Like Carlos mentioned, this letter would need to be received by December… Friday, December 19th, so a little less than 3 weeks from now. if the Commission does not decide to write a letter this round, there will be another opportunity in June of 2026, so about 6 months. So with that, I pass it back to you all for conversation. So, a letter was issued 6 months ago? You said 2 years ago? That was the last time that, I believe, City Council accepted letters from boards and commissions to, Recommended notorities, bye City Council can. If you all decided you wanted to write a letter to Council, you can do that when you want, but there are specific…

[8:10] times, like Christian said, both leading up to a city council retreat, where they would typically say, okay, all boards and commissions, if you want to communicate suggestion or recommendation to us, you can… you could do that for our retreat, and if so… Please have letters and write that vibe. Correct. Have we done that in the past? The APRC has definitely done that in the past, yeah. Thank you. Chris, then member Christine, drafted a letter that was discussed. Which were the priorities that was discussed? Good mother.

[9:00] Do you remember? It was not, about a specific kind of topic or issue. It was really making the… making the point from the HRC's perspective. that the HRC would like to have more directive? And engagement from City Council, generally. We can certainly find that and circulate it if it's helpful, but it wasn't like… we want you to talk about or address this… excuse me, excuse me, the particular community issue. It was more… And something changed after this? Do you remember? Not necessarily. Yeah, and, and, I mean, I think… One could interpret this invitation as, right, the invitation. to do… to do that. They don't have any procedure… City Council doesn't have a procedure to…

[10:04] they're not… one, they're not forced to take on our priorities. Two, they don't even have to, like, address. Per se, how they're going to address our letter? Or do they? I mean, yeah, Greg's just shaking, you said, there's no rule, right? They do respond, and the response is usually… following a retreat, here is… we're communicating to all boards and commissions that these are the city council strategic priorities that we've identified, and that did happen. Everyone got that response, including HRC. So, castles you very close to the community. Let me think about those priorities that we need to raise, that's the…

[11:02] Yo, yo creo que… No tenemos que mencionar mucho las prioridades de la comunidad. Lo que yo creo ese que debemos mencionar. Las prioridades que debemos tener. La Comision. Cornell Consejo Municipal. City Council. Lo que… Queremos es de que el consejo municipal nos tomes mas encuenta la comision. Great. Que tengamos mas interaccion, mas contact. que nosotros. Somos. Como una especi de consejeros el consejo municipal. IDs… un mes. Unco.

[12:06] melan. pres meses? Every 3 months. Some sort of communication from them. Yeah, and I mean, what I'm hearing is, like, we want to have a closer relationship with them, and I'm also, like, hearing, like, that I think They don't quite know how to come to us, it seems like. So, there is a curiosity, kind of going back to the original question, is like, are there things that we think should be changed from the city level about how human relations is happening? We can do that. It's like, right now, it's like, I think they're asking for our perspective, and they don't really know what they need our perspective on.

[13:00] And so, maybe part of our job here is, like, what are the things that we think they're missing, other than just, like, a communication here? Right now, the communication is them saying, what do you think there should be? We're like… And that's my first question. So, we can increase the frequency of… Communication, but if we don't have something to say. It's going to be difficult to maintain that communication, so we need to have clarity of what do we want to tell them? What are we advising them on? Probably we need to discuss that first. And then propose a frequency of meeting with him. I was going to suggest that maybe we go through part of our retreat, especially the part where we talk about a work plan and priorities and stuff, and then revisit this, because this is, like… especially with you being fresh, and Mindy not being here. I personally feel open to doing this, but I don't know on the agenda right now if I could make a decision. Yes.

[14:10] Unless you go that route If you go that route, then this is absolutely fine, please continue your discussion. Here's what you need to know. Because of open meetings law… You can't just leave here, email each other back and forth on what it should look like, and then send it in. You can discuss what you want it to look like. Two of you can meet, put something together. The problem is, all of… and then you would have to come back together as a group, and… and… Or sign off on it. all of that before December 19th. So, I don't know if you already have something scheduled before that.

[15:00] another meeting. Potentially. Our normally scheduled meeting would be December 15th. So, the Monday before this happens. So, if you go that route, you would discuss it amongst yourselves. what the topic would be. Two of you would get together, draft it, bring it back to that meeting, finalize it. Yeah. I think that's good, and I think I would agree with you that I think that figuring out what the letter might be is probably best decided later in the meeting. I think it sounds like a lot of this retreat is, like, getting clear on who we are as a board and what we want to see more of in the City of Boulder, and most likely that will reveal what kind of letter you want to send to Council. Would you two think that… are you okay with moving it, tabling it until the end? Makes sense. Just a question, Rebecca. Can we push the vote to the end of the meeting? If we're… like, these are our two agenda items. Was this wearing in and then this? Yes. We can bump the… a vote?

[16:12] He can. Okay. Carlos can. Okay. Do we need a motion? So, Emily, Emily is put in… Emily's suggesting, let's wait until later in the… after the retreat portion of the meeting. So, Carlos… That decision then would be yours. Shane, still here? Yeah, that's okay. Okay? Any other questions on this before we move on to the retrieve portion? Okay.

[17:09] Okay. So, here is the agenda for the… Virtually portion of our meeting, and it is 5.32, so we are in pretty good shape here. First off, we'll have an icebreaker, then I'll do a presentation that is going to be a little repetitive to what, Carlos, Jorge, and Aaron saw. It'll be somewhat repetitive for you, but, some new-ish information regarding claims and such. Work plan discussion as well, and then… The… discussion about Commissioners, communication leadership, and then looking forward into 2026, so the,

[18:00] more, essentially what we discussed at the last, last meeting, which was, like, August at this point. Okay. So, Emily, I can't remember if you were gonna do the icebreaker, I think so, but I… I think I volunteered, but I didn't prepare one. Carlos, the… on the agenda, the question for the icebreaker that you came up with is on there. Oh, okay, thank you. They say, what's… what does community leadership mean to you? Thank you, Carlos. So, Emily, if you have anything you want to add in there before we start? Oh, yup. I mean, I think it's a… It was inspired… Carlos, you're gonna talk later about leadership, so inspired by…

[19:02] For us as commissioners, what does it mean to be community leaders? How much else to say? Yeah, it's a group. It's gonna go. Sure, yeah. To me, community leadership is, like, about, like, engagement, participation. Like, it's, like. if I want to be a leader in a community, then, like, it has to start by, like, seeing myself as a part of that community. And I feel like leadership is a lot about modeling, like, modeling what it means to be a participant, modeling what it means to be in the community and be connected, and like, how do I show up, how do I attend to what's happening there, build relationships, but to me, it really comes down to exploring my role and how I participate, and doing my best to show up in a good way so that I can, like, model model that toward others, also being a more meaningful part. And I think it also… leadership and community leadership, for me, is big on, like.

[20:06] like, belonging and welcoming, like, making sure that as others are coming into the community that they really feel… feel deeply included. I think I see that in one of my response buildings, making sure people feel like… like they're a part of this, so those are the big things that community leadership means to me. Yeah, I think what… sticks out to me in that is the community dimension, that to be a community leader doesn't just… doesn't mean acting on what I personally think is important. It's about being in tune, and as you said, Erin, in relationship with members of different communities, and understanding how all of those can be woven together, those priorities can be woven together. So I guess more of a… I see, for myself, community leadership as more of a bridge builder.

[21:05] position. You know, a couple years old. No. I think we… we become, The ear, you know, we listen to be the voice. community in this form, right? Without any judgment or judging people. We might disagree or not, but they want or what they think. Our responsibility leaders to just bring those things to the table to discuss and prioritize as proposed. That's better. It's a lot about engaging. and be there, you know, you cannot do that from Europe or Europe is, you need to go and… And be there, at least, and talk to them. I think that's it.

[22:05] For me… El idento comunitario. esta presente con la gente del algun. Is that… Hay escuchar las necesirades que tienen. It is y llevar las. Akin… weather? Are you there, or… Centralia, are you there? a resolver, lo que la comunidad necesita. Como , porque no han recortado muchas cosas. Pero antes estaba mas presente en las comunidades, estaba. Mas este sabia lo que la este en estado.

[23:03] Y sabi ello aqui en irrigerme. Para, para given the solution, so please. Pero. Es sabes dificil. No es facil ser un leader. Y es dificil a veces trabaja con los personas, con la gente. Entenderla. Is that… right. Thank you, everybody. May we bring these tensions into our work, because this will give evidence into our work. Do either of you want to sneak? Sure, yeah. I can speak from this role in particular. Carlos, what you just mentioned, specifically resonated with me, because…

[24:08] Many times, I am on the receiving end of Folks in the community, leaders in the community, coming, with an idea, or a question, or a problem, or whatever it is. And, I've worn several hats through my time in Boulder, and so I have made some relationships with folks. To be able to connect. The people to the proper organization, or the proper agency, the proper person in the… Whatever structure that may be. And so that is, what I hope to continue to bring, to this group, as well as, for my just everyday job. and that also… Sort of… blends itself to my personal, volunteer work, or personal work in particular. I hear…

[25:07] a problem, I'm like, oh, actually. I know where you can go to get help with that, or I know, Or you might be able to… who you might be able to talk to about that. And so it's… become somewhat of a thing that I can't really turn off now, but… has become part of who I am, and so, yeah. I think that's kind of what it means to me, is what many of you have said is acting as sort of a liaison or a connector. Thank you for sharing. Is there a lot of awareness, the community, about what the HRC does? My opinion would pre… would be probably not. I would open that up to other commissioners as well, to speak from your experiences. Right. I feel like I wanna… I feel like that's, like, a bigger thing, and I kind of want to, like.

[26:03] Click the circle, but also I'm down for the demo. But I think… Generally, no. I think there's not a whole lot of awareness. If you create that awareness, then naturally you will start getting that connection. Chew. Something to negotiate. Very sick. Would you like to close this up? I would also invite Roberto back from the Peanut Gallery if you want to share as well. I've… would agree… I mean, agree with what many of you have said. About leadership? I… for me, In a community role, or… now working for local government. It also…

[27:01] requires asking the question, why? Like, why are things the way they are? And yes, there is, like, here's a problem, what's the solution? But developing the understanding about why Inequities exist, why this world is challenging for some people more than others. what is the role of government or people, right? What created that problem? And then… Making sure, to the best of our abilities, that What we do about the problem is actually addressing that. root cause, and that's not always the case. Sometimes we make things worse. But that, to me is, is, one of the elements of leadership. important elements of leadership, and… Drawing attention as a group.

[28:01] And a collective, too, understanding that more daily. And, yeah, let me see, and then everything others have said about Connecting, bridge building, serving as that voice, using whatever access that we have. Anyway. To, to make things better. That's most successful breakdown. Anything you want to share? What was the actual question in relation to this? Community… What does community leadership mean to you? Can I have this? Yes. I don't know, the circle. when I hear community leadership, I don't think… In terms of… A mayor or a city council member. I don't think in terms of A traditional leader in that Individuals have decided

[29:09] That they are going to be… When I think of community. I think of a handful of different communities if, for example, but I'm a plug, right? I am a lawyer, I am also an officer in the United States Air Force. I am a person of color. I am a fitness coach. Right? And so, when I think of community leader, I think of a person who is willing to, Devote their time, devote their energy to something that they believe is important. without… an entire group saying, we are giving you the authority to do that. I think the person who's willing to raise their hand and just Address whatever needs to be addressed.

[30:04] I almost got arrested in that process once, but that is a story for another one. Wow, what a teaser. In the melon fields of… Oh, Brighton, Colorado. Wow. We'll ask you about that later, Roberto. I said, when the recording goes on. Fantastic. Thanks, everybody. Encionero? A gente que… No nos conoc que me centros. Pero… Hayo transperson message. Y que si nos conocen, que se veremos quiene son… que yo de hablado de la Comision.

[31:02] De se dicho tienes homos, que semos. See? Oh, Lord. Pero… A veces me medicien, bueno es que… Queremos tener contacto con la comision. Sabremos que, bueno podemos… judo. Excuse me. Entonces. Yo pienzo que para que nos conos cambio, para que se puen quienes sonos. Tememos que estaje. Enos eventos que nos invita o que creia la ciudad para que sepa la gente que ne son. El espazada. El me cuardo… Propusieron poner un estan. en un evento de la ciudad de los comisionados, pero. Isas en un futuro cudamos poner un estano de los eventos que hace la ciudad para que conozca, o sepan que no somos.

[32:07] That's commissioner. Because there's no budget for… Promote it. Your Honor, recharge. There is some. It is pretty limited, but we do have some, and we can also get creative, with the budget that we have, for like, if there's specific ideas, or anything like that. The HRC does have, a budget of… Because I agree, you need to go and participate in the events. Probably's not enough, you know. Or by commissioners, it's… it's difficult.

[33:00] Because I bet there's a lot of people that would like to express needs, but they don't know who to talk to or where to go, and… Maybe without motion, they… They come to us, haven't they? Right. I think that would be a perfect discussion for the work plan. Okay, algumas que quiro negregar. Yes, yes. Vamos el punto cuatro. Esta es una presentacion. Were you just recognizing that it's my turn? That's okay. I was like, you're up.

[34:01] All right, so I will do my best to get through this pretty quickly, as it is a review for many of you. Jorge, this is going to be a crash course, in the HRC. I've already got this already. But anyway, as a reminder, and as a little bit of grounding into who we are, what we do, the Human Relations Commission. As you know, our five community members, I reflect the various social, economic, ethnic, racial, and religious segments of the city. And our mission… Is to foster mutual respect and understanding. Serve as a vehicle for suggestions on city policies and social problems. advise and assist the city government in relating human and social services to the needs of the city residents, as we kind of talked about before.

[35:02] The next point, as we kind of talked about before, providing advice and consultation to City Council, which Has not, happened quite as much as some of you have mentioned in the past few years. You also, if and when called on, will… participate in a quadi-judicial process, if there are, claims that come through My role that I appealed. The next step in that process would be they go to the Commission for A quasi-judicial process, that's hard to say. And a hearing in front of the committee. So I'm going to talk about the Human Rights Ordinance, which is the,

[36:00] Boulder-specific anti-discrimination ordinance prohibits discrimination in housing, employment, and public accommodation. Based on the protected classes that are up on the screen there. Won't go through each and every one of them. But if somebody, for example, is denied housing because Of their ancestry, or their religion, or if somebody is Denied a service at a business because of their race, or they have a… because they have a disability. They can bring a claim to my office. I also, oversee the failure to pay wages owed ordinance, which is essentially an anti-wage theft. Ordinance that prohibits employers operating within the city from not paying or compensating their employees for work completed.

[37:05] As with anything, any of these At the state or federal level, there's a statute of limitations. The wage theft has a 12-month statute of limitations. And it would follow the similar… Identical process to the… Human Rights Ordinance, which is… Someone provides a written complaint, to me. there's a form that's available online, or we can make a physical copy available for folks, or I can go help somebody complete a form. Or in… certain circumstances, I've accepted, like, an email that contains all the information that, I would need. I need to receive it for one year within… within one year for housing discrimination, 6 months for… Employment, or 60 days for public accommodation.

[38:07] This is the information that the claim has to, contain me? Who are the folks, that are alleged to have violated the ordinance. What happened? When did it happen? And that they have not filed a claim with any other agency. Complaints are confidential or lawful? confidential to the extent that I can keep them confidential. Obviously, when I have to notify an employer or a property manager that a complaint's been filed. It can be… Pretty easy to figure out who… filed the complaint. So, in that sense. there might be a little bit of confidentiality that's compromised, but I'm not…

[39:03] I don't have this information, like, publicly available for anyone to see, like, what complaints were filed against who. And who filed the complaints, that type of thing. They are also subject to the Colorado Open Records Act. without providing… Personal identifiable information. I'm asking because probably somebody wants to make a complaint, but it's holding it because they don't want to… everybody know that they did complain. Yes. Because of retaliation, or… Yep. And so, in the… ordinance, there is… Prohibition on retaliation, that is, sort of baked into the administration and enforcement, I believe, part of the ordinance.

[40:02] So somebody cannot retaliate against somebody or take any action against somebody because they filed a complaint or are participating in the complaint process. Sometimes, in practice, that's really hard to determine, and so, yes, people do make calculated decisions on whether or not to file a complaint. Alright, so once I receive the complaint, I'm gonna review The information in there. Make sure that it does indeed fall within my jurisdiction, and if it does not, I'll try to get that person connected as best I can to the proper agency. And I am first, passed with trying to… Negotiate a settlement between the parties, which frequently happens just by referring to mediation.

[41:02] So we have a community mediation service. I would refer the complainant, and the… And the, Named… other names party in the complaint to mediation. And, if that is practicable. If it's not, we'll skip this step, but where practicable, I will do that, and they will attempt to resolve in mediation. So here is… Just some year-over-year totals. 2023, we had 63. These are inquiries, so people reaching out, and people who filed complaints, so these two things are combined. 2024, we have 35. And… Up until the 21st of November, we had 50.

[42:04] So we are probably going to land somewhere Between 2024 and 2023, 2023. Outcomes… So we have completed, dismissed, and… Pending, and then referred. I would, in full transparency, switch pending to… These are cases that there may be lost contact, there's maybe not, didn't follow through on part of the claimant. Maybe they decided to withdraw the claim and just stop. Engaging with our office for whatever reason.

[43:00] This does not necessarily mean that, there's still, like, I'm still investigating that claim from a 2023. Total pending… Claims is the addition of the 23, 24, and 25 pendings. So we still have 8 pendings from 23? No, so I would have just coded them differently. These were… these were… this table was made while I was out on… parental leave, and so, what I was saying there is I would have go to them as, like, no follow-up, or something more along those lines. Those are not claims that are still in process. That, if you think of it, 2023, it's like, in the moment where we collected that data. It's a snapshot or a picture at a moment in time over… kind of what was happening in that year. But if some of those were pending in 2023, That…

[44:02] yeah, like Christian said, it means different things, including… There was some resolution of some kind in 2024. But just in that moment in time, That's kind of what… came in, and how we… and how staff kind of processed them, if that's helpful. It doesn't mean that the 8 moved to 24. Not necessarily, no. Gotcha, that was your question. No, this is just… a snapshot in time. I'm worried about you there. Yeah, I know. I'm gonna just move this over here, I don't want you to incorporate either. So yeah. Okay. So these are now year by year. According to the different areas. So we have wage theft up top, housing. Employment and public accommodation, and then unknown or other, we… Yet,

[45:03] Many times, people are reaching out about things that… They don't know if it counts, or we would have jurisdiction over, but they have a question, or… Or trying to reach a different city office or anything like that. Actually, do you mind going back? I just want to make sure everybody understands what public accommodation means. We went into detail with Roberto on this last year. Just checking. Generally, yeah. Briefly, it's a business that's operating within the City of Boulder. Okay, so these are the different protected classes that, folks

[46:02] are naming in their complaints, 2023, 2024, and 2025, moving from left to right. Well, immigration is different from national virgin. Yeah. So, immigration status? Yes. Yeah. Whereas national origin would be… so immigration status would be somebody's immigration status in the country, national origin would be where they… Trace their roots, too. Source of income. Like, you can't discriminate against someone for being a sex worker. No. So, source of income also, where it comes into… Comes into play pretty often, is…

[47:01] a landlord not renting to somebody because of the type of, because of how they'll pay their rent? Frequently because they have government assistance, and the landlord is opposed to government assistance, doesn't want to deal with whatever oops, they might have to jump through to get that assistance. So somebody with a Section 8 housing voucher? Even though it is guaranteed money for the landlord, there's a… inspection that needs to happen. There's a lot of paperwork that needs to… Happen, and recertifications each year for these, property, and so many times, Property managers or landlords, property owners, do not necessarily want to deal with it. However… That is not a reason why they can deny somebody for housing.

[48:06] Okay. That's… You okay? Yeah. Yes, excellent. Clark. Kevin, maybe I need the same thing? Okay. Well, it's there. Wow. That's a table. It looks like a chair. I know. Are you okay? Yeah. It was a graceful fall. It wasn't a very graceful getting up. That's a tough one to get out of. I was curious that there was no political… Politics mentioned in the… Oh, like, politics and political affiliation? Yes. That is… that is correct, yeah. Can you go back to that last slide? Yep. Because sometimes that can be… Yeah, it's totally a thing, yeah.

[49:03] Would that come into… Play anywhere else for any of the other… Like, Creed? That would not be. me saying that I am… A part of a political party. Or doing something because… I'm outwardly manifesting that I'm part of the heart of it. is a constitutional decision, so it's a First Amendment issue. So there are other methods by which that can be resolved. You know, I am walking down the street with my…

[50:03] Bring Back Kamala t-shirt, and I walk into somewhere. which probably wouldn't have happened in Boulder, but, you know, they don't allow me to sit down and eat, or whatever it is. Because of that, that is a First Amendment issue. Cool, wow. I wonder if it would be helpful, Christian, sorry to put you on the spot. Sorry, not sorry. there have been some changes over the last couple of years with respect to state discrimination laws, and I wonder if you can share what some of those conversations are like, or if… When… because it is a when. The Human Rights Ordinance is not kind of able to address the… issue that some community members are experiencing, kind of how… how you provide them with information for those other options? Yeah, so…

[51:10] We'll try and let me know if I need to be more specific. But essentially the… You can let Christian know if you need to be… we will. I think, so the ordinance was created in 1972 to provide more expansive Protections to community members, and we're available. The federal and the state level. As well as faster response to, discrimination complaints. At this point in time, I think the state and federal government have… Cover everything just about that we also have named? If not, potentially a little bit more in certain areas.

[52:00] And so… They've caught up. And so, to this point, in terms of protecting classes in particular, I guess that would be what I have to say there. if… Now, the ordinance itself, like, the resolution process only, permits me to, like. right or wrong is what I usually say, or just, correct the violation. I can't, assess any damages or anything. For somebody who has discriminated against someone else, or someone who has not paid their employee for work completed. However, at… Certain levels at the state. You can, How about yourself? Certain penalties if there is a finding that someone has… an employer has not

[53:03] Paid their employee, or if a landlord has, violated protection at the state level. There are In certain circumstances, penalties, that can be awarded to the person bringing the point. Cheers. And so that, I would say, is where Maybe we have fallen a little bit behind this, because people will… From my experience, people who are reaching out May want a little bit more than just, like. Hey, yeah, we made an oop, and we won't do it again. There is… At least from my experience, a little bit more of an appetite for some punishment to be, rolled out, or some accountability. to be had, and so that is a struggle, I would say.

[54:01] I encountered, have encountered with previous complainants when I've done, like, follow-up surveys. And then… it is a conversation that I have with people reaching out, around, like, here's what I can realistically do, here's… what is available to you elsewhere. And that choice is yours if you want to file with our office, or… go to the state, or something like that. Could they do both? I can add. Investigative complaints, if there's a… complaint with a different agency. Oh, okay. Yeah, so that's one of the things… I was in the bathroom for that slide. Yeah, so that is the last bullet point on… what they complain. I see. The containers, they have it.

[55:01] Or it… that they would… that they've withdrawn. Slip. System. Okay. Yep. Any other questions about the ordinance, the complaint process? Anything that I've… on over. Cool. Anything… The ad promoted you? I… I do not know when the last time that I, is that… You sat in a quasi-judicial Long time. Okay. So I suggest that we don't get bogged down into it. If we get to a situation where one of Christian's claims gets appealed, we will hold a special training just, and I will do that.

[56:12] The only thing I would add is not really more information about it, but, to what? staff have talked with HRC members about in the past, including last year, at the retreat, is… my perspective is that it's really helpful for HRC members, for community organizations, just people, to know, that this is… That the ordinance exists, and that, Christian can kick me for saying this, just kidding. But we want people to be coming, right? Every year… our Housing and Human Services Department and all other departments in the city. We have our own outcomes and goals, why we're doing this work and what we hope will change in the community because of it. And we don't want to measure the impact of the ordinance by

[57:16] Oh, good, nobody's… nobody's, submitting any claims. That must mean everything's great in Boulder. Nobody's experiencing any problems at all. We know that's not the case. So, when we think about outcomes and how do we know what we're doing in some way. an increase in people submitting claims. We don't assume that things are worse. Yeah. What we can… hopefully gather is that people are experiencing What they believe is, at least, is some form of discrimination. And they are aware that they can do something about it, that they can reach out to the city government.

[58:04] And see if there's something to do about it. That's the… that's where the change can happen. And so… to look at… You know, our own outcomes in that way. It's critical that we have a process that is transparent and that is trusted. That people understand, and they feel comfortable enough, at least to say. I'm not sure, but this is what happened to me. Is this something… what can you tell me? What are my options? What can we do? That's, like, really the most critical piece, because we wouldn't say, like, oh, great, we're not getting any claims, that means everything's great. I would see that as, wow, we actually have a problem. We probably have a process that people don't trust, or nobody knows is here. It's either, you know, they don't know it, they don't trust it, But they just…

[59:01] assume that that's the status quo of things. Exactly, like, oh, I just need to deal with this. Yeah. Or they went to the state. Or they went to the state, but yeah, I mean, any of those options, which is why, like, the chart that Christian showed earlier, it's like, it's good information, it certainly doesn't tell the whole picture, right? It's just numbers. But if we were to see those numbers going down every year, or going up, like we'd say, I wonder why that is. Again, like, what is the deal? Is it… is there something… happening throughout our community, or is there something that we're not doing as well as we should? Or collectively, are we not getting the word out enough? So, whatever. So, I just wanted to say that because that is actually what we… what we look at and how we talk every year about how are we doing? Here's an ordinance, do people know about it? Are they using it? Do they trust it? And so, if they reach out.

[60:01] And the ordinance doesn't cover that. Challenge. We can still say, like, be more confident enough and comfortable enough to ask. And did we make an attempt, whether it was… doing whatever Christian Roberto can do to address the problem, or to say, we can't, but here's where else you should go. How else can we help kids? What's else? Those are the things that matter, as well as just… What forms of discrimination, that sort of thing. We feel limited. Is there any way to solve complaints. timely and efficiently. Yeah. Do I feel eliminated in being able to do that? I would say… I have not had a volume that has been Like, unmanageable for me.

[61:02] Where I feel limited is my ability to were I, too, have… A situation where… I'm trying to, like, his name. Let me do… let me use an example. So I have a, If I have a failure to pay wages, civil wage, that's my complaint. and an employer just does not respond to me, and they… I have pretty good documentation from the employee that, like. Yep, there's a pattern of them being paid. They are not paid for these hours that they worked, and here's their timesheets, or here's them text exchange between them and the employer. Showing the employer, acknowledging them, having completed work.

[62:03] But I can't. Get that employer to return my phone calls, to respond to my emails. or respond to certified mail that I send. I don't really have a lot. else left in my arsenal to compel that person to, like, participate in my process. So I would say that is where I feel Low imitation. Currently. And I think… Were that… were there a little bit more… Oomph to the… sort of process there. I've made… see more claims, and they'd be like, hey, we could use… I could use some help, but at this point, I'm… getting complaints and working on them, I would say about 13…

[63:00] phase or so, I could, get it wrapped up. Get something wrapped up for… Folks who do participate in my buttons. It's very gross. Cool. Okay. This is the… Move on? Are we ready to move on? We're… We're amazing. And… Como se nuestro, cono recinco que donde vamos ale sobre. Nuestro plan de trabajo para el proximo. Pero antes, hablar de plan de trabajo, tenemos que revisar algunas cosas de nuestro libro. Metro.

[64:01] Y algunos elementos y formartos… Y esquiemplos de como vomos a realizar nuestro… blended telehealth. pumps. I'm also. Yeah, I was also just going to, we've been… meeting for about an hour, and some folks, I've seen folks go back and forth as needed. Do we need a break, or are we good to keep going? break? 5-minute breaks? Yeah, sounds good. Before we jump in. That was wonderful. anos. For the end there. Hmm.

[65:14] Oh, that's just… That's a ring. You know, less. Les? No. Yes. Well, I used to… I grew up at the birds sometimes. Oh, yeah, Barn Lake. Yeah, Barn Lake, and I'll… I do the Christmas bird count, just like Melissa Burg. There's so many interesting places. Yeah. And then I used to get, like, chili plants there. There used to be a lot more growers that, like, people that grew, like… You know, tomato plants in your plants. We used to be, I think, flower growers, and I know Sue Gather, I played with Suebra for a long time. They did a play about the… it's like a strike in Brighton. Oh, 40s or something? It was led by women. Interesting. Latino women.

[66:15] Yeah, I think it's more like a lot of that went to Colombia. They used to, they were, like, carnation. Wow, I had no idea. Yeah. I forget the name of the fly. Let's see… Oh, beautiful. skill in frontline. Did I tell you that I did miss the guideline tours? You did? Oh, you said you guys were going. Yeah. You did it? Yeah. What'd you think? It was so hard. It is difficult. It was so hard. Yeah. And we got lost a few times. So it turned out to be a full 20 miles. I don't even know how much it was, but it was, like, I don't know. Yeah.

[67:05] I've done it a couple times. Yeah. Trying to get… trying to figure out, like, where the actual summit reflects that, but is it, like… So I just, like, got it to work. Like, yeah, sounds good. And then, Maybe that's the last descent of, like, cities, too. Oh, yeah. That is such a… Although, coming back to town was pretty… Yeah. Because we went up one side of town. Yeah. He went up the, like, side to… Like, people, people's crossing, and then, like, up. We also have, like, release people. Then he came down there really loose. Oh, God, you bet. I've done that one. I used to live right over there, so I used to go up the Go Trail. I never went down it, because it's so company killer.

[68:04] I would not have done that. There were 5 of them. Okay. Interesting. I like to… I would do that in the spring, because, you know, There's a couple more label. Yeah, no, we certainly ran out of water. I was about to. Did you go to Hungary to? It's the unofficial. No, I didn't know anything about that. Hungry Toad? It's like a… it's like… A British bar on Broadway. Right on Broadway now, and it's, like, Probably have. From the goat trail, where that dunks you? Yeah, it's still alive as well. You survived, how… our, what's my breakthrough today?

[69:12] Around the next… The next day, the next ramp back at it. Because I'm in the process of doing… 1,100. Some of the biggest colleges in. No, so… Okay. I mean, he was working on a photographer last week. Oh, like…

[70:10] Tambien es… Sometimes, like, some of my friends, or sometimes, like… semi, like, transient, like, they're, like, let me employer sometimes. They do it.

[71:00] Yeah, that's pretty nice. Yeah, it's fine. My housemates are like. My husband liked it. It was a trial run, because I want to get my own dog, here, like, next summer. And so, this was, like, a trial. I feel like having a responsibility of being a dog owner, but also, how do you feel about having a dog? And putting thumbs up all around? This is, like, the best possible trial run, because, like, it was a, yeah, just, like, a 5-year-old dog, like, the most skilled dog ever, so it was, like, a very easy trial run. Having a little trip with whatever puppy's gonna be. A little different. You'd be like, you said it was good. Yeah, well, we're starting with… they're having a baby… I think we're gonna have that little puppy. 6 months, and then I'll put the dog into the equation and see where that goes.

[72:09] If you would. No, please. They're okay, but don't sit on anything. You want me to do this piece? Okay. We have to wait for Erin to come back. Work planning. I did my homework, I read all the pages. There we go. Did you read the whole handbook? I did. Okay, what's on page? Here's been the hard quiz. Handbook. A handbook! That was a major accomplishment, speaking of work plan items. That was a work plan item. How old is it?

[73:05] I think the last time it had been revised was, like, 2020, maybe? Does that seem right? There were not very many references to hybrid meetings, and so that tells us it's before COVID. Oh, wow. Okay, so we'll just… we wanted to share a little bit, like we talked about it for your… October meeting, so you're on… no, your August meeting. That it is in your… in every Board and Commission work plan, or handbook, or set of expectations. that every board or commission and commission has a work plan. It doesn't have to be… you know, big, it doesn't have to promise things that can't be accomplished, but something that will guide your work, right?

[74:05] We… our departments in the city have work plans. Within our department, program teams have work plans. City Council, you know, kind of does its… its kind of multi-year retreats. And so this is just one of the things, right, that boards and commissions do. And this is the language that's actually in. The handbook as kind of the elements of that process, which have to not just include, here are the things that we're going to do, but what we talk about a lot, kind of in our department in the city, is beginning with the end in mind. What is the change that you want to make? What is the purpose? Why are you doing this thing? What do you want to have result from it? What are those outcomes? And, when do you want to do this? Does it matter? What kinds of resources might it take? To Jorge's question earlier about, like, gosh, do we have a budget? What if we want to do something, right? Do we have money to do that with?

[75:08] The work plan is something that does have to have some staff collaboration. You have to create only items for a work plan that relate to your mission, and that if it requires assistance from staff. it has to be within the bounds of what we can reasonably support. If it becomes, is an idea for an activity that within any one period of time would require a lot more staff time than what we can give it, then we have to have a conversation about that. Like, you don't tell staff what to do, you identify objectives, outcomes, activities. And then we'll help support it with that. So this is just the, yeah, just the basic description about what work plans are required.

[76:02] Most recently, and Carlos can speak to this, in the last several years, kind of starting in 2020-23, when we were having staff and HRC members were having conversation about a work plan. We came up with, just suggested, based on the, kind of, how the Commission was structured at that time, and what capacity was. Of just having a spreadsheet, right, that identified… you can't really read it from here, but what is the work item, or what is the activity or issue area? What is the outcome? Like, why… why do you want to focus on that thing? Which commissioner is playing a lead role? Is there somebody who says, I'm going to take the next step on that, right? And if so, document that so you all know and acknowledge that. Is there a timeline? Does it have to happen any particular month or part of the year?

[77:02] And then, what were some of those steps that were taken? And then, staff, before each meeting, would just provide some basic updates, you know, to… to the spreadsheet if HRC members requested it. Ideally, it's something that HRC members yourselves manage and maintain, but again, we're here to help. Further down in this document, there was also a list of, programs that were sponsored by the city, right? Because the city was providing funding through the Human Relations Fund, for example, or it was a key, cultural celebration or an educational event that related to your work. that we would simply provide the dates, and the times, and the links so that you can act upon that. That came out of the conversation from maybe 3 years ago, among HRC members about wanting to… Have, that members would…

[78:09] kind of sign up for, assign yourselves, like, I'm gonna go to this festival, I'm gonna go to this community event, I'm gonna wear my badge, I'm gonna engage with people, right? That was part of the work plan. So, this is one way that a work plan can be constructed. It can also be a document, a shared document, that just lists out, again, whatever you want it to look like, we can help you support. This is just the most recent version. There were some challenges with that. Usually, if it's a… if it's a document that the City maintains, we can make that shareable for all of you, but sometimes somebody couldn't get access, or would need the link sent to them again, so that's not a… Huge problem, but something you just might want to think about, considering, considering how you want to use it. Who's going to kind of take some responsibility to maintain that, how accessible do you, need it to be, and what staff support would you need?

[79:19] And so these are just, some kind of staff questions for you all to… to consider. We're happy to help provide some of that background information. I think, and Roberto can correct us if we're wrong. that… In a retreat setting, you can kind of talk about a work plan items, like, to an extent, but not to the point where it would become a topic for… What might be considered appropriate for a regular meeting. There may be a line in there somewhere. As long as a decision is not made.

[80:01] Although it is not taken, the state of the tenure fund. Oh, So we really, yeah, just wanted to make sure you have this. Sometimes… when we would have the retreat over the summer in August, you think, well, we're kind of halfway Through the year, which year are we talking about? Sometimes there's not alignment with when commissions or boards are putting together a work plan. And then the City Council might have a retreat that comes out much later, and, you know, changes, so… It's always best to have a work plan being, you know, kind of created on your best information, like what you know today and what you plan to do, with the ability to change it as needed to make sure that it's, that it's really relevant. But those are just, again, kind of basic Guidelines for creating a work plan, or a strategic plan, for that matter.

[81:05] So here are just some questions that we wanted to… Put out to you, and, for you to talk about amongst yourselves, and we're here to help. So, once the year goes through, there's a review on how we deliver the work plan? Ideally, yes. Yeah. I mean, what that looks like for city staff is that we're checking in… we're doing our day-to-day work, right? You're not staff members, you're commissioners, but you have your regular meeting times, you could decide, that you want to spend time during your meetings, you know, talking about follow-up, that usually happens anyway, whether you're calling it work plan review or not. But at some point, you take stock and say, well, what did we do? Now, if we did that activity, how did it go? Did it have the outcome? Did it result in the change that we wanted?

[82:08] Yes, no, how would we do it differently? Is there something… Hmm. But you build a work plan. Of course, it's built around social needs. the priorities. That probably evolved through time. What are those social needs today? What are those priorities? The work plan for 26. For us. So that could be a starting point.

[83:00] Two things, you know, where are we based on the… Achievements in 25. And then, do we need to do something to achieve what we couldn't achieve in Tensify? And then just review what are those social needs and priorities that we need to work on. 26. I thought you had linked the 20… 4 to 25 work plan. Or just to pull it up. Close that? You want me to pull it up? Can you execute? B. I think. Is it pretty much that? This is yum. So we did not actively go back to a work plan this last year. during meetings. So that would be one thing to consider. Like, just restructuring… I would say, but, like, more of the way we were structuring was just…

[84:05] Using the agenda to… to guide our work and, like, track our work, but I can see the utility of a larger sense-making structure, like this work plan from before Aaron and I joined. So sorry if I'm blocking anybody, but yeah, that's cool. To kind of… help re-anchor us to our priorities. It's also just a way to… I mean, meeting minutes are necessary, and they're helpful. And if you're tracking things, whether it looks like a spreadsheet or another document, you're like, oh yeah, that's what we're doing. And without having to kind of go back, refer to other, you know, kind of versions, sift all the way through the

[85:02] Presence. Yeah, because we may use these to follow up on neighbors' meetings. And just identify which one is on track, which one is not on track. That actually can create the agenda for the meeting. Closed. So… Do we want to use some of our time, as you said, Jorge, in this meeting, to just… Draft what we feel like today are some priorities, and then… Oh. I know one of your questions, Elizabeth, was how do we use the meeting time and the time in between to draft a work plan? So that could be… The start of a… one of the columns of the work plan.

[86:02] I don't… I don't remember what our… timing was for… I know we still have our three… buckets we wanted to go through, but would it be worth it to spend, like, 10 minutes on that, or what do you all think? I think that could be good. Thank you, we'll see. I mean, I love the idea of, in whatever format, kind of just, like, giving some space for each of us to just kind of, like. name… I mean, we could, like, kind of start with, like, what are the things that are really important to us? Just kind of, like. Like, start, like, find some kind of, like, themes of, like, what are the things we're looking at that we think is important in this work, and just… maybe start there and find the core themes, and then, like, distill that into a little bit more of, like, the structure of this. But I suspect some… some way of having just some open… open discussion for us to kind of, like, name…

[87:02] name what feels important for us. I think that might be one shape. Yeah, do folks feel like you're ready to talk about what's important to you, or would it be helpful to have some? You're saying, do you say, yeah, just, like, taking, like, 5 or 10 minutes, takes some, like, personal journaling attempts? Maybe 2 minutes. Yeah. Okay, I heard you say, I heard you say 10 minutes, I was thinking. Oh, for the whole, yeah, so focus for the whole… Yeah, so, like, 2 minutes to just try and jot some things down? I think that's a great avenue. Does that work for you, too? Or do you feel like you're ready to go? It's more useful to listen to you. Yeah. being new and jacked to the city, and get to know what's being preferred is for, and now. Something I can just add. Yeah. I like that. It might be helpful for the three, Carlos, Emily, and Aaron, to just… Think about what happens is human trafficking, difficult dialogues, there are things that are already… words way, or are, but you don't…

[88:01] It's not leaving any of that behind, it's just making sure you're capturing that. And anything else, right? In a format that enables… that has a clear purpose, outcome, that you can really track over time. Yeah, so I guess I can, like, I can start by naming some of what I'm tracking that feels important to me, and then kind of, like, flow through there. I'll take some. Yeah, take some notes. Yeah, I mean, I mean, definitely one of the things… And I'm taking notes, by the way, I'm not, like, Sudoku. Yeah. Bummer. Some old lunch chestnut My addiction. Yeah, I mean, I mean, for me, like, difficult dialogues is one of the things we did last year that felt really valuable, even if, like. didn't quite materialize yet. It's like there was, like, some conversation around that that felt really interesting.

[89:02] Yeah, I mean, what I care about from a human relations thing is, like. how are we building more bridges in our community? How are we building bridges between people who think differently? But also how are we building bridges, like. Between, like, levels, such as, like, so that people feel… So, like, they can access… People in government, so that they feel like they can access people in business, like… there's a lot of, like, different arenas that I think people are playing in, and, like, the thing that's really interesting to me is how do we build more bridges so that people feel more access to, like, actually engage in our community in a more full-hearted way. That continues to be the thing that is the biggest. the biggest motivator for me, and something I think we started to touch on in difficult dialogues, but I'm really curious How we can find other avenues into that. Yeah, just… Real quick,

[90:00] like, summarize what we were doing with the difficult dialogue System before it has not been a part of this. So, Difficult Dialogues is a thing that happens at CU, and we were having conversations about how do we address when tension arises in our community? It was especially relevant, with, like, a lot of tensions around Israel-Palestine in that conversation, and how it was bubbling up at the city council and open comment, and this just became a thing that we were, like, looking, and there was at least one person who was regularly coming to open comment to talk about us. talking to us about that, and so we were just kind of looking at what to do there, and that led us to having a conversation with, Dr. Jennifer Ho at CU, who's the director of the Center for Humanities and Arts, who runs a thing called Difficult Dialogues. Where they kind of, like, bring some of these conversations and have a little group of people to, like, look at them. And then she also introduced us to a game called The Interview Game that a few of us, like, got an experience in of, like.

[91:03] A game where it's, like, you get to kind of be interviewed about different perspectives, and it's a way of, like, helping people understand each other's perspectives. A little bit. It's, like, just, like, understanding each other, so it's, like, helping somebody who has a pro-Palestine perspective understand more, or somebody who has a pro-Israel perspective, and, like, vice versa, helping kind of understand each other's worldviews. And so it was this game called the Interview Game, where we went through that, and that was… with that, she introduced us to this guy, Ami Dayal, who… put on the conversation, because we talked about that briefly at our opening thing. Mindy was involved in that thing called the Conversation that they hosted at JCC, and so we built some relations there, and still to be seen what might happen in that partnership. But that was a little bit of what was unfolding in that conversation. Yeah, just to speak a little on what's been happening, and also where my heart is in that. Thanks.

[92:00] So, maybe, like, building bridges could be, like, a larger category of priority, and then your difficult dialogues project could be under that? Was that… is that fair? Because it sounded like there was more… Yeah. …to… your priority then is the difficult dialects. Yeah, building bridges is, like, a much profitable thing, and difficult dialects is one way that's manifesting. Okay. Carlos or Forpe, anything else with building bridges that sparks for you? I just got this through with my comments around, awareness. So… How do we build that awareness, communication, and letting know the communities… letting know the community that we're here? What do we do? How can we help? And the awareness can be a lot of things, you know, it's either go visit the community, or just do publicity, or…

[93:08] Participate in events and have a stance, or, you know, can be multiple things. It's more about Warren is and what we should do by nature, of course. And then, something I'm thinking about as you're speaking is that that awareness can go, like, can be bi-directional, that, like, as we're talking to people about HRC, we're also learning, like, oh, what… now that you know what HRC does, what are some of your top priorities for our community, so that we're building more of, like, a squeeze-back high school loop within our commission. So, I'll just put awareness of HRC, and then awareness of… Community priorities.

[94:12] almost, I think, abuse. Jesus, that's dying. Well, diversions work. I'm gonna be… Orvideo mencionarles, y tienen que esta hemos handbook, Here's the case. Nosotros podemos estar en eventos deeran las comunidades. Pero, huh? No podemos presentarnos abiertamente como Comisionados en un revento. Sindo tenemos el permiso de la comision. Entonces, si vamos a un evento, naban vamos… Y voy como Carlos, no voy comic con ycional.

[95:04] Es o tambien los tenemos que… que tener en cuenta. necesitan, lo queere aqui. Jane. I think… Roberto, this might be something for you to help with. Obs You can. go to an event, and as a representative of the… of the commission, and you can say, I am on the Human Relations Commission, you don't have to like, keep that part secret, or just, like… conceal that. What I think you need, and correct me if I'm wrong or read that, what you would need… approval of the Commission to do would be to speak on behalf of the commission, or say, like, that is something that we will…

[96:09] take up, and, like, work on. You can… identify yourself as a commissioner and say, like, yes, this is… I'm on this commission, and I hear that this, Important topic, or a need, or something. I can bring this to the Commission to discuss, or invite some. set person, set people to, even better, make public comment at the commission. And that much you could do mostly without us. Asking, like, the group for a vote. Yeah. Si. We get this a lot in city council systems. A member of a board, a committee, a commission shows up for public comment. Until the ceiling. I am Roberto Ramirez. I am on the HRC, but this evening, I am speaking in a personal capacity.

[97:08] I do not speak on behalf of the entire HRC. This is my gym. See, this is… But if I go to an event. Now I'm gonna distribute flyers about everything. I can do that. Yes. Because we would… we would all see the flyers that you're distributing. Wouldn't be just, like, one of us making rogue flyers? Of course, the same distributing sounds? Yeah, exactly. And I think as long as you… map the events in the work plan, then we can anticipate and just give the authorization. Formally represented, Tracy. Yeah, it's a provider. Okay, I'm looking at the time, so… So, I think we have some really great ideas for building bridges, and we don't have to…

[98:04] get into as nuanced of a description for other ones, but are there other priority issues you all want to surface right now? Or it could be hashtag building bridges here. Mrs. Last meeting, I was linking that. You know, we promote all the things, the values of, you know, what we want to do. So… But broadly, it's good to recognize Community and the businesses of… It's, aligning. Empressos que estan. To the values, nice. And create, you know, the HRC awards, and then you… Let's just recognize… People in the community, established businesses, or companies, insights. That becomes aspirational as well, so I think.

[99:03] So the community ends up. response. In the business community. I bet you that, you know, if a restaurant can put a seal on the front saying, you know. I got an award because of, you know, this, Canadians. Creates awareness. CNC. I love that incentivizing. Human Relations Excellence. That's been submits. I want to put on here… I've… I've been very loosely keeping track of the Central Park planning, and have read some commentary that some of our unhoused neighbors are concerned they're going to be pushed out of that common area with the plans, city plans, so I want to put on here

[100:00] Something like… Oh, let's see. Supporting… Oh, yeah. Supporting… I don't know, sland youth… or unhoused people, I don't know. Especially because it's a city project, I just think maybe there's potential for us to actually… do something, I said. I, like, generally, supporting people who are unhoused is a priority for me, but this is, like, a specific city. I don't know specifically Laura has access, so… And how's the main, homeless? Okay, so… I would just put an asterisk there, and we can…

[101:03] again, support the conversation, how… in whatever ways are helpful. If they're in situations where there is, a city department, That might have its own board or commission. that is already kind of taking a lead role, on that particular issue, right? If it was a parks issue, or an open space issue, or a community vitality issue. we might say, well, there's already… there's a board for that, just like there's a Human Relations Commission. There's a board that advises that department that's making that plan. How might there be a way for you to connect together so that you're not… Duplicating unintentionally, or, Providing information in a forum that

[102:00] people are not asking you to do, and I don't… I don't have a better way of saying that, but Carlos will remember, we talked about that in the past, like, it's… we want… All of our boards and commissions to be able to do your good work. aware of what other boards and commissions are already… are also doing. And so that just might be one of those areas where If they're, you know, their existing community engagement, or whenever, not necessarily for that issue, but any issue where there's the board or commission, a panel, a committee. some other process in place, we'll be sure to make sure you're aware of that and can connect those dots to avoid duplication. That'd be great. And to have them come presenting. many things could happen. Okay, how about a few more? Other priorities. Excellent.

[103:02] So if you see the work done last year… Yeah, 2 years ago, Al. This is a couple of years. Many of these issues were lapsed from 2013… 2013, sorry, 23. older young children face-to-month, even worth working. One of the cities. So, for example, that Boulder Junction Phase 2, Carlos might remember this. That was the… there was another city department for IS. That was taking the lead on redesigning Boulder Junction, that part, that neighborhood of the city. And this… it wasn't city council that requested it necessarily, but another city department that said, actually.

[104:01] we would like the HRC to review this plan and give us some comments about it. So that was a situation where the HRC didn't say, we want to weigh in on Boulder Judgment, but you were asked to do that. And so there were some presentations. Sweet. Lots of pages of documents to kind of review that focus specifically on, See, specifically. Enabling and asking the HRC to weigh in specifically, with perspectives for people that might have challenges, right? So different organis… different, populations in need, right, that might not… whose… whose opinions or experiences they were that really wanted to understand. So that… that could happen too, right? It could come from City Council, it might come from another city department. That's how something gets on the work plan.

[105:03] I mean, this is a pretty good start. How do you all feel about someone taking the lead to… format this, and we can ask… Shall we… oh, sorry, control. the engagement with the city council? That's a priority as well. We could. Soy. enhance and increase, you know, our communication and collaboration with CTICS, too. Because then you promote the connection with the community, but if that doesn't flow with the city council, then we're gonna be stunts. I mean, I guess it just depends on what we want to do. We don't have to go through City Council for all of our actions.

[106:01] But you want to make them aware, is it, maybe? Yeah, I think… the building bridge and the increasing awareness piece. So it's just, like, let people… inform people that, like, it's possible to connect in. Like, I think, I think a lot of this is, yeah, it's like, most people just have this idea of government, the city council, the staff, everything, and this, like, thing way up there that there's no possible way for them to connect to. And so I think creating some awareness that there's, like, ways, there's bridges through which they can get engaged with, like, the city. Yeah, I think helping that awareness is a really good thing. Yeah, and I do think part of that is… our relationship with the Council. In a sec. Awesome. How do we want to proceed with this?

[107:08] So how… how detailed we need to elaborate at least to the hand scheme? Well, I'm proposing that we move on, because we still have a lot to go through. We only have an hour left, but how do we want to get from here to potentially something more like that? So, like, what formats? It doesn't have… a work plan does not have to look exactly like this. We can certainly use. This spreadsheet as a template. It can… Make a different form if… Somebody… Or some buddies would like to, of course, work on this between, like, tonight and next meeting, or tonight and,

[108:11] Future meeting to… Put together in review for adoption as a group. And then we're available as well to… I'm available as well to support with that. So I think… Emily, what Emily's trying to do is… Sort of put those… Next steps together here. Now, so we need… Some folks to step up to… Volunteer to do that. fences. I'm happy to, you know, volunteer for the award experience as well. So it's, like, the big categories here. It's, like, the building bridges, the awareness… Like, the…

[109:07] I like the recognition. Recognizing it's like… Something about lifting up… lifting up good in community. So probably recognition goes below awareness as well. Yeah, totally. I think whoever decides to take the lead on this can rearrange it into categories. Does anyone feel open to… Using… to… using the notes we've taken to take it… Into a different form for our next meeting. Take photos and nails. Yeah, I'm trying to understand quite exactly what the… what needs done, what the ask is. I think we need to organize the information that we just brainstormed here, so that we have…

[110:04] a work plan… How to review and adopt moving into next year. Gotcha. And it… so it could be something that looked like that, but it could also be a different format. Yeah, I mean, I can try and… I can try and put something together, try and organize it in a few ways, and I'll bring it back. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, believe me, believe me. Y traerlo para la siguiente el me. Just to say the way, for better or worse, I've taken notes, is that building… Bridges is defined as an objective, provide opportunities to build bridges among community members, an activity. or however you want to ascribe the activity, what are you doing with difficult dialogues? Are you going to promote? Are you going to attend yourselves? Are you going to continue the…

[111:12] idea of actually getting trained. So, you know, what's the thing that you're going to be spending time doing? the outcome… And this is draft, but just how… how… We would suggest structure… how we suggest our work… structure our work plans. The outcome is that people in our community with different opinions have, whatever, productive ways, right, to understand each other. If… and enabling better awareness of the HRC and community priorities and objective, the activity is… We're gonna go to events. Which ones? How many? When are they? Who's gonna sign up? Those are all of the other elements. The outcome… is what? Like, define the outcome. What is the change that you want to have happen?

[112:03] As a result of Going to community events and doing tabling at events, if that's what you decide to do. So structuring in that way… Okay. It takes what you've talked about, but it puts it into a format that clarifies we're not just going to do a bunch of things and then say, wasn't that fun? It's like, we did these things because we wanted to achieve something. Did we result… did anything change as a result of that? Yes or no? Does anything be yes. And enables you to say, who's going to take the lead? Who's going to do the next thing, what supports you need from staff? If you decide you want a table at 5 events this year, then what information… what do you need from… staff, right? Flyers. Reserve a spot, like, whatever. It'd be those sorts of things, but then it's all… in one place.

[113:01] So it seems like… it seems like… Increasing community awareness is a huge objective, and that's, like, increasing community awareness of the city, increasing community awareness of, like, things that are happening. increasing community awareness seems like kind of one of our big objectives, yeah? Like, and then I'm hearing, like, building bridges to, like, create more connection in our community. Like, those are two big objectives that I'm tracking from this. And I'm curious if other people are tracking other ones that I'm not naming there. I mean, the unhoused population one seems very separate from that. Yeah, and I'm wondering if there's, like, a core objective that you see there. I mean, I guess that might just be, like. Like, supporting, supporting marginalized communities. I would say, yeah, specifically supporting unhoused and communities. Yeah, but I was saying, like, I think for it… I think, in general, supporting marginalized communities is a thing that we're probably up to, and that would probably fit in it. I'm, like, trying to create some support, too. I feel like that's too big of a objective, because that's what our whole…

[114:14] I feel like that's more our goal. Purpose is supporting marginalized communities. I mean, maybe. I think a lot of the building bridges and the supporting community awareness is for a lot of communities, not just marginalized communities. Because I'm just like… trying to, like, dial it down to a few core ones. I don't think we need to dial it down. I'm feeling like we need to move on, but maybe… but I also want you to feel equipped to… to move forward. I don't think… I don't think it's vital that we have, for example, like, every objective dialed in for this next meeting. I appreciate your wanting to have it more specific. Yeah, I'm just, like, trying to think about how we're organizing this. And I'm not seeing it named on here, but I see a lot of things that we're trying to do that are about supporting marginalized communities, and so I was just, like, wondering if, like, we wanted to, like, name that.

[115:15] Because, like, to me, if we can kind of, like, outline a few core things that we're up to, then it's easier to fit it into other Things, and so it's not, like, trying to, like, dial back, but it's, like. Trying to paint a bigger picture of kind of what we're up to that's gonna help focus our effort in the year to come. and so, like. it seems like supporting marginalized communities is a big thing that we're trying to do here, right? Yeah. And that… Make… that includes what you're… what you're doing there, and so it's almost like… kind of pointing out that there's this objective of supporting marginalized communities in Boulder, increasing community awareness, and building bridges, and I'm just, like, trying to get a sense if, like, those three categories feel

[116:03] like 3 of the core things that include everything that we want to be up to on this commission. Sure. Yeah. Cool. Cool. And then, yeah, I like that. It's like, being able to kind of paint those as core objectives, then it's easier to kind of figure out where the different activities are, and I think we've listed a number of activities. We can engage in? I see them more as the big rocks that naturally will translate into goals and actions, so what we want to achieve, no matter how. How does success look, you know? by working on awareness, or building bridges, you know, all those big problems. Yeah. And then you just work on a lower level of detail, what we want to achieve. Yeah, exactly. Thanks for that synthesis, Erin. It's helpful. Una prioridad que tenemos para que voy a empenzando la para la siguerte reunion tambienes.

[117:06] Nombrada nuestro presidente, y el Mr. Presidente. of the deletion. at a regular meeting, can't do that. Yeah, for the next meeting. The chair. I see the chair matters. For the retreat notes, I understand, Aaron, if you're gonna take a shot at… Oh, yeah, I'll take a shot at, kind of, turning that into some work plan, just… bring it through in a few different shapes that we can talk about next meeting of something a little more structured. Totally.

[118:13] That's what we look like. We look like high school study hall. Are you a substitute teacher, Christian? There you go. In a previous life, I was a teacher. Oh, nice! Alright, so are we ready to move on to the next one. Do you see? Okay. There wasn't any other slide, you want to go back to that. agenda? Yep. Yeah. Nope.

[119:00] Nope. Okay, so I think we were each gonna take one of the points, right? for efficiency, meeting structure, commissioner, community relations. Okay, so I think our last conversation… I was gonna take the point on the first one. I think our last conversation flows nicely into this conversation, which is about How do we know if our work is effective? So, we've just started to outline… we could get more specific with this conversation, we could remain more… Idealistic, or visionary? Do you all want to kind of… Spell out what success would look like for some of our potential activities. Do you want to go vision? What are y'all feeling for… That's what I think will need to be a fairly short A conversation on efficacy.

[120:06] Gotcha. Just to be clear on time, because we have until 8. Is there more stuff after Part 4 that we're getting to? No. Okay. Just, yeah, just to make sure you two have time for your pieces. And there will… yes, there… Oh, and because we're going to go back to the letter. There is, yeah, I was just going to say CCC. They vote on, if you all want to present a letter to Council. Great. Okay. Okay, cool. So, so, essentially, 10 to 15 minutes for each of these sections. Okay, great. I think you can define the… A little ambition with that. And then I'm very pragmatic. Every meeting, we should just go through the actions. Did we do the action? Didn't we? We didn't do it or not. And then are we on track or not? And be very pragmatic on, you know, and then just take actions if we're late, or, you know, we need,

[121:12] resources or decisions? As you help us, you know, detailing it more, then we can be more objective. We're objectively defining those goals and actions. But at the end of the day, for me, you know, when you say building bridges is improving our role of connecting with the community and listening to the community. and the city council, right? So that's our whole thing, you know, we want to build those bridges, and we want to create awareness so the community can help us build those bridges at the same time, right? Or rainforest was purchased. What are some ways that you would… you could tell that you were building those bridges, or enhancing that connection with City Council?

[122:03] For example, I was typing ideas here. Why did you build an app? Right? As you build awareness, you create a tool that facilitates communication, you know, on complaints or, you know, needs. And then you just can go with it. What's the app that says you use it? Listen Boulder or something? Beaver Boulder. Beaver Boulder. Beaver Boulder. Yeah. Things like that. Yeah. So, would the metric therapy increase increased use of city services? For me, the magic would be executing the tool. Okay, we wanted to implement the tool, we didn't. That's the deliverable. I thought we were building bridges, though. Yeah, and then that will help you I think what Emily's pointing at here is, like.

[123:02] Perhaps, like, trying to find, like, a kind of, like, metric, if the tool is in service of building bridges, trying to get a sense of, like. what does success look like in terms of, like, the bridges built? It's finding, like, a KPI, right? Yeah, exactly. So you measure it in terms of, you know, contacts, or… Number of communications that we receive. I think, you know, if you start measuring that objectively, you will use 26 to create a baseline, because today, we don't have baselines. Yeah. You don't know if 10 is good, or 10,000 is good, or not. Yeah. But I think, I think in general, like. success would look like, even if it's hard to kind of go into the quantitative metrics, like, success would definitely look like more people in Boulder feeling more connected to their community. That's another good idea. Why did you do a survey?

[124:07] And you set the deadlines, you create a survey, you go out and ask the community to… It depends what they think. And then after we do all we want to do in 26, probably early 27, you do the survey again, and people will tell you, yes, I feel more connected, I feel, you know. We're improving. It's very difficult when it's about social things to create very hard APIs, right? It's more like an opinion. I agree. Yeah, it's a felt sense. I… so it… it almost seems like a measure of success for us would be… Understanding where we're at right now with people's… sentiments around feeling connected to different experiences. So this is what I was saying, you know, probably…

[125:02] not hearing from the community may be perceived as good, but we know it's not good, you know? So maybe part of this is, like. If we… if we kind of have… things that we're shooting for, like, we want community to feel more connected, we want people to be aware of what's happening, we want people to feel supported. It's like, if we're kind of, like, holding all of those, like, North Star, and then part of maybe our meeting is, like, the meeting structure a little bit, is, like. kind of doing some collective sense-making. It's like, what are the communities that each of us is connected to, and what's our sense about what's going well there? How… how much are people aware of Of, like, what's happening in the city. How much are people aware of their neighbors? It's like, so perhaps there's, like, some regular thing that we're returning to of doing a collective sense-making, and there's probably a little, like, qualitative warm data. And then, like. If we kind of have that, then we have this feedback cycle so that we have a sense.

[126:02] It'd be cool to do an actual survey. Yeah, survey… I think a survey would be great. So that we add some data. Yeah. Do we… has HRC ever done… Yeah, Cities does a lot of surveys. Do you think… do they ask questions about belonging and stuff? So… And the trends. So, it'd be easy for us to ask? Yeah, so we can… For that data? Yeah, we can totally look at that data and maybe bring that into our sound banking. When was the latest? That's a great question. Do you remember? the community, it's a big community survey. We'll let you know, honestly. I just… Do you remember Roberto Figure the last time the city did the baking? Great, off the top of my head, yeah. A great start point. And if there's, like, things in that survey that…

[127:05] things that that survey is missing, that's one of the things that we can communicate to the council, be like, hey, we think that you should be tracking these metrics, or these metrics, so… See where the data works and where. We would want to communicate it to whoever's putting out the survey, I don't know. It would be interesting to know, as well, what was done with that information at that point. It largely, I mean, it informs the city as a whole. A lot of that work rests within the city's communications and engagement. department, we're responsible for those activities, right? And many more, but it's… Assessment of, like, what do we know from how many people responded to these questions over the past? It would be very interesting, because Polar is a very diverse city of a bunch of students.

[128:00] Hispanic community, communal family. different needs, right? So, it would be very interesting to see. Do you know, Elizabeth or Christian off the top of your head, if the survey has questions on, like, priorities for the city to address? There's issues with the bike clip. City to address. That would also be super helpful. I don't think… I'll have to go back and look at it. I believe it's different, like, right now, where the city is doing its comprehensive plan process, right, which is a once every, you know. So many years process, it's… Very expansive. It's about identifying broad priorities, including light use and And otherwise, And there are other engagement processes, again, some of which take place in our… in terms of a board or commission, kind of the first stop responsibility of, like.

[129:08] The Parks and Rec Advisory Board, or… pick the Board or Commission. There's an older… we have committees when there's our departments that include, like, an older adult services advisory committee, funding advisory committees, etc, so… Okay. It's a culmination of lots of those kinds of, instances, and then other initiatives that are quite specifically how to manage focused on inclusions and engagement about minimum wage… How bright should the traffic lights be? Vision Zero transportation for, you know, all the things. So a lot of that work kind of gets coordinated from the communications engagement team. Yeah, it would be not a challenge at all if you wanted a meeting, right, to provide the information, survey information to you. I agree.

[130:04] Cecilia. And, yeah. Again, like, strategically. Tap in, right, without coordinating. unintentionally. Because I guess one unanswered question for me is how we're defining our efficacy in terms of being responsive to boulders, many communities. Like, I don't… I… I feel like us, as commissioners, we've all shown up in good faith to be supportive community members and commissioners, and we've gotten a few requests from community members. By and large, though, it's been self… generating. So… I would like to… I feel curious about how we could… define… Success in terms of… how…

[131:09] absolutely how aware people are of the Commission, but also how aware we are of community priorities. Yeah, I think that's key. I don't really have a good answer. Yeah. I think that's where it's just gonna be, like, really good for us to have conversations and make sense of things, but also for us to, like, really, like, hold the responsibility of, like, being out there in the community. And, like, having good… good processes for how we bring that back to each other. Like, I'm in the community a lot, but, like, I know, I know I can do a better job of, like, bringing the perspectives… perspectives I hold, like, back into this meeting, and so I think, like, having some good processes around that, that, like, supports all of us bringing The perspectives we're holding in there.

[132:01] timing. 2. Is there any last things we want to say about this? Again, I don't want to short… The rest of y'all's. Quicked up? No, just didn't. We generated a few cool ideas. This is good. I think we're finding them. Okay, Erin. Am I signed up for the meeting structure one? Yep. Great, okay. I mean, I think I've already, like, kind of, like, named it a little bit, but, like, I'm really interested in us, like, finding… finding more effective ways to use this time. I feel like we have these two hours a month, and it's like, how do we… not just talk about the Human Relations Commission, but how are we embodying human relations here? And so I'm just, like, would be really curious, I think, in that last conversation, we can also have a few of these ideas around media structure, but I'm just, like, curious what people think about, like, what we're enjoying from these meetings, maybe what's not working well, and any ideas that people are having around it.

[133:02] source. Or just around meetings in general, like, things that y'all have experienced that, like, that makes for a really good meeting in that place for a lesson, you know. So just be curious what people think on that. Sometimes. Rollo Stoop, and our fearless meeting leader. I'm curious what your comments are. Yo siento que hemos tenido una sequencia de granism buenos. antes de que yo tomar a este liber espo.

[134:01] Muchacher. Lindsay. Lindsay. Tenia una manera el dirigibra reuniones. Feel that we were all really happy. We had a right of hand. Y, pues… There was nobody else, right? Entonces. So… But I feel like something's missing. What you all think. I'm curious, from your experience with this other person, what do you think supported you feeling so happy while you were in here? Es que rocieve una forma que…

[135:03] It's like taking you by the hand in the meeting. And so… She would explain it in a way. Everybody understood. So one thing is the how, but the other thing is the what. How do we make the meetings, but what do we want to come in the meetings? It's also very important. can be formative, but also a decision-making and actionable meaning. Keep track once there's a work plan, make the decisions to align, or realign things. Said this process. highlight, you know, any needs or resources needed. Oh, nice. That kind of things that I take, you know, I would say in the meetings to be productive.

[136:05] Because, you know, I've seen many times, you know, meetings are informational, somebody goes by, comes home, and then two months later, nothing's changed, right? If we can make them productive, actionable, and informational, we will… you know, be successful at the end of the year. And, Probably I was thinking, you know, it's good that we're prioritizing, but make sure that we focus on a few very important things, because if we try to do a lot, then you lose track of things. Just, you know, two, three things, you know, two systems, that's it. Yeah. See? Yeah. Making sure we have, like, the clear objectives, like, a few clear action items, and then making sure that our meetings are in service of us making sure that we're acting on those.

[137:04] Yes, sir. Yeah, I'm wondering if, like, there's, an action step of, like… like, trying to solidify something about, like, what a different meeting structure might be like. I'm curious if you want to, like, play a role in that. It seems like you know a thing or two about, like. running things, I think, to rep businesses, and so, like… Oh, yeah, my life is public. Yeah, and so… so maybe, maybe you and one other, I'd be happy to, or another. It's like, maybe… maybe there's some way that we can, like, experiment with some new meeting structures. Yeah. So in the handbook, it says that we should leave space for public… Is that happening? That's happening? Yeah, there's open comment, not today, because of retreat, but in general, we will sometimes have one person, usually not more than that. That happens just proactively from people in the community, or we… do we invite people? I think Carlos has invited people sometimes to speak. Yeah.

[138:06] Yeah, yeah, so sometimes proactive. I think Carlos is the only one of us who's proactively invited people, but that is definitely a thing that we could do more of. Yeah. I would just toss in here, there are, again, in your hand bones, you know, there are some things about a meeting that you actually can't change. In terms of just the structure of an agenda, but, An action item, or a, discussion, you know, discussion item. Can also be a presentation, a panel. It can be public. You've decided to have some of your meetings dedicated, your monthly meetings dedicated to an open meeting, like on human trafficking, right? There have been meetings in the past with HRC where…

[139:01] You've invited… organizations, other staff members to come and present and inform you. So, what we might consider, is it just for your information, or is it for attention to actually bring other community members' attention? Yep. So they're hearing what you're hearing, so it's not… and that's, again, we would talk about that previously, right? Is this… So that you're informed only, or is it for the community? to be informed. So, there are all sorts of ways, just that you can… Spend your time at meetings that are… it's less about, like, what are the… what are the… what does the agenda actually look like? Is it for you? Is it your time, or is it to engage with the participant, or are you choosing to spend your time with someone?

[140:01] them going elsewhere, any of those is possible. But yeah, we can advise on, like, what has to be… all of that matters on the Christian, so he has to provide the positive notice for the meeting. And can you track how many people view our recording? It's on YouTube. I mean, I doubt many people are watching it now, but that would be one way we could… tracks. You would be surprised. It's not like… It's not zero. It's not zero, yeah. It's not like we're getting, like… 200, I guess. people looking to advertise on our… on our meetings or anything like that, but there are several folks, too. So… I am surprised. It's just kind of interesting. Cool.

[141:04] Cool. Anybody have anything more they want to share on meeting structure? Excellent. No. I guess, question, it has to be the chair or the co-chair who facilitates the meeting. So I just feel like a shared… I was thinking the same thing, it was like, rotate… One at a time, please. Oh, sorry. I was just gonna say, I mean… The chair facilitates the meeting. But if you talk with each other before… one-on-one, right, one-on-one, no, violating the Sunshine laws, but if Carlos comes to a Christian and says, okay, for a nice agenda… Emily's gonna facilitate this agenda item, and Erin is going to facilitate this, like, that's the spot that the chair is responsible overall for calling meeting to order. Cool. Much like how it's happening right now. It's…

[142:14] each of you having a different bullet point here, and Carlos just kind of, like, just running the… Yes, as the MC. Does the commission only communicate via email today? We don't have, like, chat. Sunshine Law, we're not… we're not allowed to have… we're not allowed to have that. No, just generally, I think… Even… we can't… we can't even have, like, a publicly visible email. that we communicate with? Like, the hotline, because the hotline, they're not actually discussing, they're only discussing with city staff. Okay. Yep. And if there's a shared document, like, if you were… have a document for the work plan. you actually can't all be in the document making edits and doing things at the same time. Are you aware, I think, like, other places, I know at least Texas and others, had a Sunshine law, but then they added a clause in maybe 10 years ago, that allowed for asynchronous, publicly visible

[143:19] communication. Do you know anything about that? He's seeking out. Okay. Okay, moving on, so… Yes, so, not yet. I'm gonna try and bug some states, senators and congresspeople to add that clause in for us. Stop. But Carlos could reach out, or, you know, one-on-one communications. So… Tambien para la estructura de una reunion of the meeting. con un tema que ustedes quieran, pero algo que quieran que se quiera que se misuta hemanos.

[144:12] Great. And oftentimes, you'll decide in a meeting… Let's do blah blah blah at the next day. That's perfectly appropriate. You talk about it during… And you're all set. Beautiful. That feels good for meeting structure. Figure out more specifics, but I think there's, like, enough coherence there that we have to… the synthesis for me is, like, that I think we're just going to be a little more experimental in how we do meeting structure. It sounds like we're all gonna have to bring a little bit more agency into that. Which I think is great. This is, you know…

[145:03] Over to you, Carlos. things we've covered. No, nothing. Just again. It's all good. Okay. Anything else about the structure? No? Okay. So, I'm going to… the way of life sobre… Liderazco, un puga Liderasco. Me gusta la segunda pregunta para unos mas rapido y se… But there's some nerves. We'd like to incorporate into how we interact with each author. Aqui…

[146:04] Okay, just, we have to go to the base. Entonces, como interactuar unos con otros. The characteristics of a leader. Primero tenemos que inspired. We have to use my address. Tenemos que saber escucharse. Tener vision de lo que queremos… Tener conocimiento humildad y character. Sabernos comunica. Aqui me gusta esto porque… I like this because… Tenemos que prender a controller emociones.

[147:00] a vecen. Qui tambien, so… Porque… what? Porque… Hay cosas que como lidenes no debremos hacer. lo que yo creo. I criticize. Si. tootos mi. No MBDF. Normal informar. A sucedido que cademos en… En esto de…

[148:05] No decir la vertad. Decir las cosas de otra manera. Noma de informas. It's not order. Esso, eso es… que si nosan importantes. It's important. Otra cosi importantes no prometes. No promise. Si no ser promesas. We shouldn't make promises. No compatir unos como. We're good, because… Porque si queremos ser me jores, tenemos que sera mejores. We have to be better. con nosotros mesos. No querer segments. Yo tres las cosencis, no procrastina, no descar las cosas para unan.

[149:08] A mi me gusta todo esto con que son las cosas yere verbemos de conocer de las… lo que deb de hacer un vida, y lo que no, y lo que hacer un. Algo comentario pregundai. Commons or questions. Individual. Well said. Besides. I'm just trying to think through what this means in our meetings in particular, so that's where we mostly interact with each other. I think… maybe going back to our meeting structure, I think sometimes I feel…

[150:00] Like, we're up against the clock to make a decision, and so… one thing I wanna… Do better is to, like, hold more space for other opinions. I think that's also part of leadership. And I don't… we don't really have, besides what we have to vote on, we don't really have decision making. The processes as a body. That's what's coming… for me is… Just because the conversation keeps going. Well, it's sometimes weird, just like, okay, that's what this one person said, and that's what we'll go with. Like, I think… this is… I'm taking it because it's not really a personal example, like, I think Erin and I, in one meeting, had different perspectives on what to do with the handbook. I think I wanted to make, like, a two-pager, and Aaron was like, I don't think that's a good use of our time.

[151:09] And we don't… Have a way as a body to, like… decide. When two people disagree. I'm sorry, I disagree with you about creating a two-pager. I mean, I don't think it was worth our time either. I'm, like, always down for creating similar artifacts. Those kind of emotions are supposed to be voted, then 3 out4, I think. Yeah, you can vote, but you can also… I mean… personally, but also just generally, you talk things through until there's agreement. I mean, if there's an issue where the HRC wants to Just say you decide to submit a letter to the City Council.

[152:04] And two commissioners feel very strongly about a particular city policy. I think the HRC needs to communicate on that. I feel this way. And the other three members don't agree. We have spirited conversation. At the end of that, you could say, like, well, we don't have consensus, therefore… We're not going to speak with one voice on this issue, because we actually don't agree, but there could be a time where… For an issue, for something like that, or even come up with something silly, but, like… somebody doesn't want to… takes an issue with the minutes, right? You vote on those every meeting, right? Somebody could say, I don't. Somebody could… Yeah. There are a million different examples where you have the ability to take a vote if you need to. You, in fact, but it's usually not anything of contention, right? You're voting on minutes.

[153:08] But when you're debating amongst these art… yourselves, or either a path to take, or I think this should be on the work plan, I don't think it should be on the work plan. talking it out until you arrive collectively at a decision is perfectly appropriate. It's a decision-making tool. You don't always have to measure items, right? we don't have a way to do that. I think there just haven't been very many times where You, like, come to contention and have to, you know… make a critical or consequential decision. Basically, that involves people from very different perspectives. But either of those are acceptable, except, obviously, when you're required to take a vote.

[154:02] But it's important that everybody expresses their opinion and views, so we know that everybody is in agreement, or at least the majority, is in agreement without a vote. I don't see… And move on. It's a decision. And I think that we feel understood. It's a dinner today. Leadership. Yeah. Everybody has a different type of leadership behind it. Probably not everybody has all… not all leaders have all what you said, but pieces of all those things, right? So when you combine the group of leaders, then you become more powerful when taking decisions. Well, they don't have to schedule, huh How Rorgeous, the new member, particularly. And as someone, obviously, with leadership qualities, how do you think we could better highlight all of our different leadership qualities?

[155:03] Expressing them, so… because I guess all of us are here because we believe we have some leadership in ourselves. And that we can give something of our leadership to the discussion board. So, that's why we need to express ideas without fearing to be criticized. Because that's the whole point. Productive discussions, and… you know, arguments. Because I might just… think that I have an idea, but then Aaron comes up with something that I never thought about, and I'm like, oh, I go, that's it. He's right, I'm wrong. I think that's it. I think it's annoying. That's obsession. Taking decisions.

[156:05] I'm almost… Okay, indoces vamos a regressar, a la carte. Entonces. What do you think? I think it should be about going… building those bridges with the concept. Can I ask a quick question? Did you, earlier when I was out, adjourn that formal meeting? No, it is a… the whole… meeting. Like, it's not… An adjournment. For the retreat. And that is… I'm meeting. Okay. What we thought is that we wanted to go through all the process before… For sure, yeah. So can they decide right now whether to do a letter to Council, and that doesn't constitute…

[157:00] No. Thank you. We have a meeting on the 13th? When we are at the meeting. Excellent. I'm thinking it would be great to send a letter. I think what you're talking about is, like, speaking about the building of bridges, maybe about, like, the supporting marginalized, increasing community awareness, whatever, but I think the building of bridges is, like, this really core thing. Sounds like… I don't know, maybe some part of the letter is, like, here's… here's how we want to be orienting, and, like, we would like to connect more with you, and build more bridges with you, Council, around that, and, like, see if there's these perspectives that you want to bring in, like. Something like that, that just kind of is just bringing what we already talked about here into a little bit of a form that creates, like, an invitation. Into more connection with Council? Like, something around that, in the ballpark? I agree, yeah.

[158:00] Okay, what do you think? Could be interesting. Nutonces una propuestra. Quintre… Jorge. Jorge. And Aaron? You write the, you write the letter to me. And we'll look it over at the meeting. It's been cool. I'm glad to see you. acuerdo? I don't agree with it? Siets. Algo mas, Cristiano. I am in the meeting right now. I don't… I do not believe so. It's so good. Wow, that was an official B. Three hours. 3 hours? You know, there's various definitions of efficient. Typically, typically, yeah, we have two. We had three this time, and we are finishing. Shall we adjourn the meeting? I motion to adjourn the meeting. Second.

[159:14] Let me give you a motion? Oh, yes, I motioned to address. I second. Yeah, you just can't do it. Yes. Yes. Okay. We need to give you an example. Thank you. Yo nuestraje un regalito de n habitat.