November 19, 2025 — Housing Advisory Board Regular Meeting

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[MM:SS] timestamps correspond to the YouTube recording.

[0:03] Excellent. And who's that? Participant Lauren, yay, it is! Hi! Hi, Lauren. Hello? How are you? I'm great, how are you? Good. Good, good. It's my crew tonight, huh? He is. It is. All right. Hello, everybody. Karin Hoskin, Chair of the Housing Advisory Board. It's our monthly meeting. Today is November 19th. 2025, for a little bit longer. Alright, roll call. So, Cindy… Not here, not online, true? Okay. And Chip, same with Chip. He was unsure if he was going to be able to join us tonight, so we'll see. Lauren is here, Michael's here, Philip's here, I'm here.

[1:03] Someone else here? Okay. Unorthodox, we'll call. Philip Ogren. Para. Michael LeChese. Cheer. Lauren Chevitz. Here! Karin Hoskin. All right. So tonight's agenda will, prove or take a look at the minutes from last month, public participation. We have, three matters from the board, tonight. The Manufactured Housing Panel discussion, the letter to City Council, and a work plan review and discussion. Matters from the staff. Any final things, and then we plan on adjourning by 8 o'clock tonight. So as far as the October 22nd minutes, did everybody have a chance to look at them? Did anybody have any comments or corrections that needed to be made?

[2:07] Comments, corrections? Well, I'll make a motion to approve them. A motion to approve last month's notice. Great. Second. Awesome. All in favor? Okay. Excellent. None opposed? Motion's approved. Public participation? Tiffany, is there anybody? There are no members of the public online at the moment. Okay. All right. Okay, matters from the board, then. So, last month we had the Manufactured Housing Panel, and Michael, I think with this discussion, we can kind of fill you in on maybe some main points? Sure, and then Tiffany, I will be able to watch it later, but go ahead. Cool, cool. So, I think that the reason that we put this as an agenda item is because it seemed like

[3:09] It's a big topic, and after the… panel, it got some people thinking, and, It seems like we didn't… like, maybe there was more discussion to be had. So, Yeah, I guess I just kind of wanted to hear from anybody if people had Further thoughts about what was presented? so we can just kind of have some rolling discussion, but what I would like to end with would be to just, like. identify the problem, I guess, or specific action items. Again, it was certainly great information, but… Now what, kind of thing. Yeah, I was gonna say, any, kind of review summary to help me bring up this… Refresh your brain.

[4:10] I'm struggling at the moment. I did scribble some notes, but, Can I ask a clarifying question real quick? They're kind of random, yeah. Did they come… did they, organize themselves in the panel in order to ask CAB for something? No, they were invited by HAB. to present information. So that we kind of had a better grasp of What was the name of the facilitator? So, the facilitator, the moderator, was Molly Tayer. She's with Housing and Human Services, and she came and presented in Help me remember. A few months ago, about manufacturer… July? That sounds about right.

[5:05] Anna Karina was here, and she's a resident. and an immigration rights advocate. Carlos was here, and he's a resident and a community connector. Crystal was here, Energy Equity Policy Advisor with the City of Boulder. Cindy was the… our board member was the one that organized the panel, and she also is a resident. And there was also Anna? There is an Anna and an Anna. Is that true? Yeah. Isabel. Isabelle. Isabel Sanchez. Thank you so much. And she is a resident… As well as… something else. A resident. For sure. She's a board member on Mapleton. Thank you so much.

[6:02] Yeah, we had a good mix of, we had someone from… Mapleton? And someone from, the, the, thing at, 30th and Belmont. Can't remember the name of the… That one's a… that one's a for-profit, community versus Mapleton, which is community-led. We also had a resident from Ponderosa, which is a city-owned, neighborhood, all that life is. And so it was… it was interesting to get the different perspectives from the… Three different situations. So, what is the focus of the panel, on preserving this form of housing, or keeping it affordable, or what were some of the key points in those regards? It was kind of a survey of

[7:05] Some of the things that they love about it, and some of the challenges that make it Difficult, given. Sustained. And it wasn't… it wasn't necessarily specific asks or, like, policy proposals. It was kind of a lot of, Anecdotes about the kinds of Things that are… are challenging. But what I heard was even… So… the… Community, member-owned, parks. while they… I mean, there's pros and cons to both. privately owned and community-owned, right? But even the… Challenging things, or the,

[8:00] Some of them are flat-out negative things. spill… allowed people deeply affordable housing. And so. It seemed all of them were in support of making sure that maintain that. We're able to have Mobile home parks in town. That's what I heard very clearly. Would the, was the Ponderosa representative living in an existing Manufactured home are in one of the new He lives in the mobile. Okay. The only new homes that are conventionally built, right? Until, next month. The main one. Two residents. Isn't the regulations still at the state level? the codes. So I think it was interesting to me, too, to hear about some of the,

[9:05] Like, the… like, the mobile homes, especially the older mobile homes, not even just the older ones, though, the newer ones as well, like, energy efficiency is a real challenge, and is a real… expense as well. somebody… I jotted this down. National average, a mobile home costs twice as much to heat or cool, and I would imagine, obviously, that's where you are and what age the home is, etc, etc. But even with, again, even with, like, high utility costs or high, lot… Rentals, It's still more affordable than… Other affordable… and there were some things that, I think I heard a couple of the residents say one of the things that they really love about it is that they have… they have their own little yard, which, in a…

[10:04] Townhomes or condos, you can have your own little yard if you… If that's the unit you have, but not so much apartments, and that was something that they really valued. Although that also meant that you have to take care of trees, and if it's a community-funded, and you live amongst old trees, that can be scary and dangerous, but a windstorm, so it's really, really expensive to… Yeah, one of the themes was, That there's a lot of… a lot of people aging in place in the mobile home communities. The population is… of those communities is aging. And there's a lot of difficulty with some of the residents being able to maintain Things like trees. But for having someone Come on. cut branches or something like that, or… but also, there's all… I mean, there's all kinds of maintenance things when you own your own place.

[11:04] That was an area of concern, kind of… Not just, like, individual circumstances, but, like. Collectively, the demographic is, like, struggling to… Have the resources to maintain the places. And then there was kind of, like, a specific thing, that the, resident expert who sat next to where you're sitting now… is that Isabelle? Isabelle. Isabel. Yeah, about, having an addition put on because of… maybe some damage, or maybe she made the house bigger, I can't remember which, but That has to be up to code. And that made it a lot more expensive. I think. I'm trying to remember what her… what her, comment… I think there was also some issues with being able to do that because of

[12:01] sides? Like, them being too close? To the next home. And then you brought up at the very end, the possibility of helping out with energy efficiency with respect to the roofs. That might be a… Right. An easier fix than other possibilities. You know, as a resp… Reflecting back on the conversations, It may be, affordable. you know, deeply affordable. However, to be paying $500 a month for energy, that just seems like a sacrilege, right? It's just like, whoa, these are some of the, Income-challenged people. And, yes, Soak? I was that, and all… some of the other just basic maintenance, like water pressure, just like, wow, most homeowners know you put the valve in, you don't have your pipes exposed. Just some basic things. And it seems to me that

[13:14] They're… could be… A way to have professionals. Or the text builders kind of evaluate. What's the low-hanging fruit? And how can they, you know, collectively start to address what's the first thing, said, you know, just… just organize… organize the issues such that, they can begin to be resolved with community. What I did as a result was I went to talk to CU. They have… program. Apparently, Michael's on the board over here. He doesn't remember to go look yourself up. It's called Cedar. C-E-D, and then a little A-R.

[14:04] And it is part of the environmental design School, which is fun. planning, architecture, that kind of thing. And they do community, they partner with community. You might know them, because they do stuff with the city, and I don't want to. That, that, that unit that got, a new exterior put on, I think that was at Mapleton. Many years ago, that came through that program, CU, so the students built a whole new enclosure. So, I think there… It just… it just breaks your heart when you think, oh my gosh, Really? And then you consider it, it's just… there are some simple things that can be done, just like super-insulate the roofs. And the roofs are most vulnerable in the wind anyway, so… So the simple things, are they affordable?

[15:03] You know, this is… this is the challenge I have with the conversation in general. It's like, You're gonna pay $500 a month In the summer, because of air conditioning, in the winter, because of heating. When you could be paying $70. Right? I mean, radical reduction in energy use And so… The question is, do you keep pouring? Your few resources down this bottomless pit. Or do you start strategizing and find, you know, organize so that you can do this? Because I think it's kind of short-sighted to turn everything on its head and say, well, they can't afford to buy, you know, this or to do that. It's just like, well, how can you afford not to? When the kind of resources that are being directed at a problem that's… it's not going to go away unless it gets attended to. I wonder if it has… I don't know, but I wonder if it has to do with, like, the upfront cost.

[16:02] Well, that's… that's why I'm interested in… that's why I went to the university, and then they have this program, and apparently the city puts fund… help fund some of the things that they did, and I… I don't know what… departments, or… This is something you did between… Yes. …meetings, yeah. Yeah. Since… since that. So, I think that there are… resources, And I think that if one were to organize. And, you know, first of all, survey. Okay, what are the big issues? And… organize them. and start to assign costs, because the people who are surveying, like I say, get professionals, get a builder, get an architect, you know, get people who know what they're looking at. This would be on a volunteer basis. Recruit them. Yeah, people are always looking for ways to give back, the professions. This is… this is not a big ask. The architecture firms, the big builders, like Melton, I mean, this is not a big ask.

[17:07] It's just a matter of… Organizing oneself to say, okay, here. It's a way to start, and then get it going, and then start partnering with, like, that… that, It's not really a department, I'm not sure what it is, Cedar. They have a director and, you know, and I spoke to the director. So there are… there are ways, and like I said, apparently the city relationship to it is they not only help bring the projects, too, but they also help fund them. And I don't know which departments are, but… Yeah, that, that was my big takeaway, is, you know, these problems. that people are living with, I get it. I don't have… you know, the $1,000 to super insulate, but I do… I am paying $500 a month for my utilities, and you're… because you don't want to freeze to death.

[18:08] But if… so, the logic to me is like, okay, let's rewire that. And by providing something that can help restructure, okay, these are things just a little spreadsheet. Here's what you're gonna… you know, it's gonna be hard for a few months, but then after that, you're gonna actually be saving tons of money. And it's not about getting them to finance it as much as… as helping them become enthusiastic. I think it is about finance. Well, I think we can find grants. There is money in this community. There is no doubt about it. Now, right now. the government come back, and we still… so the food is… is, you know, the… hopefully funded. But there is money in this community. There… there's… there's no question about it. It's a matter of organizing it to figure out

[19:01] What is it we're looking for, and who are the people in the best position to support this. I think that organization at CU is probably a good Place to start, because they've done it. it'd be nice to have a matrix of the different things that were raised and, be able to visualize it all, because right now my brain's kind of stuck on the energy efficiency, and I don't remember if there were… you know, I don't… I don't know if the panelists would say that was the big thing that we would focus on or not. I mean, to me, it seems like an obvious, place for innovation and for some scaling across a lot of units, and… but, And obviously, I don't want to give this board. You know, can their board even… I love that line of thinking. I guess I'm just curious.

[20:00] how do we know what the city is currently doing? Because we know that they are… Crystal's working with the mobile home parks on energy efficiency measures, and I feel like I'm not educated enough in… to understand exactly what they're doing currently, and how we could propose something different. Or just supporting what they're trying to do. Yeah. That seems like a good action item, honestly, to follow up with them. her about… Understanding what they're doing. Molly? Not mine, but, what's her name? Crystal. Yeah. Is that something you can summarize right now? I'm sorry? Is that something you could summarize right now off the top of your head?

[21:03] Crystal and dirt, too. Oh, what? Everything that they do? Yeah, the… pretty expensive. And there are different funding pods. Molly can also… could also join if you want to really delve into the topic. I guess the… I go back to the… Asking the question, what is their problem that you're trying to resolve? So is it… Do people feel like they're heard that… high energy bills was a significant concern. There was a range of things. It was definitely, definitely a big one. General maintenance and general expense. Trees. Relationships with, boom. Private owners. Private owners. Lots, lots of things. I think I… I definitely heard that

[22:02] Energy costs were… were a concern, and that… problems with private owners were a concern as well, but I still heard overall, like, even with all those problems or challenges, it's… they… people felt like it was still more affordable. I think if you… old homeowners, particularly low-income homeowners in Boulder. High energy costs would be. pretty consistent. I'm not sure it's unique to… mobile home communities. Oh, like… Speak about that, like, in the Boulder Housing Partners? I'm talking about people who own their homes? All individual homeowners. Because the houses may not have been updated. Think about most of our housing stock was built in the 50s and 60s and 70s.

[23:00] I didn't bother with insulation back then. We shouldn't really need it back then. Hmm. Yeah, the president was saying we have unlimited energy. Yes, it could be practically free. Practically free. You just… Drill, drill, drill? Is this after St. No, no, no, I mean JFK back in the day. Don't worry, we're drilling. It's gonna keep going back and up. National… What can we do to… Hopefully. Gonna get ahead of the curve on that, so… People who are living very modestly aren't… I'm just gonna say FAAE, though. There was also something about,

[24:01] interest rates, purchasing… actually purchasing the home interest rates were, like, 20%. It was… wow. I don't remember that. I expect higher, but 20%? It was… it was high, like… like a number like that. That was… That was, yeah, for immigrant. populations. Oh. Okay. Hmm, okay. What else? Lauren, do you… Are there other… No, I think… Main points or takeaways from that that… No, I mean, there were a lot of problems that were brought up, but not necessarily things that HAB has much influence over, but I agree, you know.

[25:01] The energy efficiency and, just ongoing costs that the mobile home parks are incurring, Seems to be the biggest item, so… I have a question that I don't… that I… it's a question, because I don't know. So, like, within… Mapleton Park. Who literally owns those roads and maintains them? Is it the park? I think so. Quite understand what… what makes it. city road versus a private road. Can you answer that? Often it's the park. owns the… owns the roads and maintains them. Ponderosa is kind of the exception. So we converted those to city streets. Okay. As part of the… when we replaced the infrastructure and paved the roads. Okay.

[26:04] But I can't tell you… If we have done that in any other parks. And so, do you know Boulder Meadows, for example? So, like. Avocado cork. Who owns that road? I bet it's private? I don't know it. I'm pretty sure it's private, but I don't know that for sure. Because that was, something that somebody said that the, The maintaining the roads was really difficult for the privately owned, or not privately, excuse me, community-owned, community-owned community park, and so I should… Trying to understand that, because I… Yeah. To be a public road, there are particular design guidelines. Yeah. Say that again, Anna? To be a public road, they have to comply with particular, construction guidelines.

[27:05] They've got to meet all of this, all of these requirements if you're building a road, because, like, what comes through planning boards sometimes are developments that want to have the roads be public roads, or it would have normally been a public road, but they want to turn it into a private road so that they can relax some of those requirements and get a different ambiance in their area. So, it has to do with how they're… The city's not going to take on roads that, you know, are… they're not able to… meet the standards and maintain to the standards and that sort of thing. So that's what we've encountered on Planning Board. There's criteria, through the construction So it's very expensive, because think about all the curbs, the gutters, sidewalks, stormwater management, so…

[28:00] Reading all the stormwater from all those streets, so it's a very expensive proposition. Most mobile imparts are not gonna have the ability to finance that. A thought that I was having was. we're having… the Boulder Valley Compline is being updated. December… when is the joint? 11th. 11th? one of the values that is in the Boulder Valley Comp Plan. is to… retain and support manufactured housing. Yeah. So… I'm wondering if there would be any… Means within that process. To, kind of aim some… resources to actually accomplish that goal. You know, rather than just having some value, we like our manufactured home communities

[29:03] But they've got all these issues, and, you know, They may not be viable. For the… all that much longer if they're not attended to, so… I, I think it would be worth… Bringing into the… into the midst of the conversation, So, I don't know if HAB wants to put something together, and I can bring it to the meeting, because it's a joint meeting between the Council and Planning Board, to talk. about… You know, where the process is at. Just kind of carry forth the intent, make sure that everyone's on the same page. And I wonder if you can, like that. Could be something like helping maintain… that there would be some funds available to help maintain roads.

[30:01] Something like that, like, as a part of… Preserving and protecting. Yeah, I would just suggest that it… They get highlighted as a conversation that needs to be, carry it forward, and maybe edit. You gotta put teeth in things sometimes, because we have aspirations, but if they don't trickle down, nothing happens, right? That's what I'm finding out on the planning board, is we may want a view, we want to maintain our views, but if we don't have You know, in zoning or area plans. specificity, it's not going to trickle down, and we're going to end up with five-story buildings all around us, and we're not going to have a view of the Flatirons unless you're Mount Sanitas, you know, so… Right. I would like, if there was a… if there was, some kind of a…

[31:01] Overview and a… kind of… starting point, I'd be happy to bring it in to the meeting on behalf of HAB. Do something, I will liaise. But it seems like that could… that could lead to outcomes that, Because people are happy to support it, but… Let's… Do something about it. But I wouldn't want it to just be me, you know, saying, you know, let's do something about it. I think it had weighed in with We had this panel, and here are some of the things that came up. Yeah, would you like a letter as a way of, I guess we don't have time to compose and unanimously vote on it, do we? what would you like… what would you like City Council

[32:00] and Planning Board to together consider around manufactured housing and the fact that we do value them. I can just ask the question, how are we supporting that? What does that look like? One way to think about it is there is a policy. And there's a plan that says we want to preserve manufactured housing. So we have a policy basis. We also have a manufactured housing strategy. So, I mean, it's a pretty full, thick document that was just recently reviewed by City Council, identifying actions. So… Okay, so I would ask the question. What is different? Wood is not in the manufactured housing strategy or in the existing comprehensive plan? Is the strategy… Is the strategy anchored to, code? Or is the strategy just a means to do things, but it's not necessarily it's not necessarily creating

[33:05] requirements. to get to some solutions. Like, for example, we changed the zoning so that we can have you know, more density along transit corridors. I mean, that's a strategy that actually landed with specificity, and now people can take action. I would review the manufactured housing strategy first. Right. Just… you don't know whether there are implications in the code anywhere from it. Absolutely, there are implications in the code. I specifically refer, I'm saying. It's a strategy, too long and complex to summarize, like, what are the key points? I could pull it up and read it to you. I mean, it's a pretty lengthy document that has some 40 to 60 action items in it. The majority have been accomplished.

[34:08] Overtime. In your opinion, is there a value add for him to… Come up with a recommendation for Council on that specific area. Well, that's what I'm asking you to identify, and be very specific, and then also make sure that it's not already addressed. So, yeah, I mean, so in addition to the matrix of the problems that, Have been identified by the panel, and I'm, you know, identified by the strategy documents. Like, we're missing the… The matrix of what's in the strategy document, and who are the staff, city staff, that are working on the different pieces of that, what's their progress, and, like, we kind of, like.

[35:05] skipped over all that and just went to, like, you know, residence and how… what are your problems? And that… I mean, I think it's great to have that kind of testimonial, but, like, I feel like at the moment, we haven't done our homework in terms of, like. Figuring out what's going on and how we can Give. inform the whole… the whole process of it. Does that seem like a… Is this strategy document just, like, in the last couple of months? Or has this been years? Oh, I mean, it was adopted, I want to say, 2018? 2019? But it's been back to Council in 2022, and then again just last summer. So that's something to have this year. And Molly, yeah, gave us a presentation on… Right, a full review of the strategy, what has been accomplished, what it means, what it says. But that was a while ago, so…

[36:06] So, it sounds like we need to… Put this on the agenda for a future meeting. some homework, reviewing the strategy and reviewing Molly's presentation, which probably was kind of keyed to the strategy. What I mainly remember from Molly's presentation was a lot of good raw numbers. Here's how many homes there are, and here's how many people are serving. you know, the numbers are kind of speak a lot for themselves. It's a bigger area of housing than most people would probably recognize. But… you know, beyond that, I'd have to refresh my memory on the whole thing. Yeah, interesting to see the action items. You said there's, like, 30-some action items, and some of them interject. Part of it is the state's role, right? So… the city has done what we can to protect it from redevelopment, so basically you can't go in and displace all the residents and replace it with high-end condos, right? So, that's a huge policy choice that the city made.

[37:11] But how they're regulated, it's through the state. And a lot of the strategy work has been I'm working with the… CMOB and other jurisdictions in the state to try to get the state to change its laws to increase tenant protections. Oh. Remember, so a lot of that discussion had to do with, you know, how do we make sure that, materials are presented in both English and Spanish? So communication was a big part of that. How do you ensure that people understand their rights against eviction? So there was… I mean, there's been a… there have been multiple bills passed over the past 3 or 4 years, largely due to the advocacy of

[38:00] folks in Boulder around this issue. Who… who with the city is, would you say is the point person for manufactured housing and advancing those strategies? Colin and Crystal. So a lot of the questions, a lot of the issues that came up they would have spoken up if they were being addressed in some other manner, is that correct? One would assume? Well, Molly was the moderator. So… Crystal, maybe I don't understand… maybe I don't quite understand. Well, she's… she's an expert in all the… the… policies and… work efforts that are underway, and so, like, I think her point is that, well, why didn't she brief us on those as the different issues came up? She was saying there's a program, and we're working on, you know, just… There was some of that, right? There was some of that, yeah. You can bring it back, I mean, they're more than happy to chat about it.

[39:04] I'm sure… I'm sure they are. I don't know what our role is exactly. I keep hearing Phil talk about some kind of… I'm sorry. It's like, wait, who are you? You changed your hairstyle, I don't recognize it. you know, to give it some structure. It's like, here's this big document, that means here's the, you know, policy that is driving it from the BBCP, and here's the things that have been done, here's the problems that have been identified, is there a pathway for them to, you know, fall into one of these, you know… But it sounds like that exists with the strategy. Look, I… which is… which is curious, just like, okay, so if there's a way for… Mobile homes to be, retrofitted for energy. Which was one of the problems that they talked about. Is it in the strategy? Is that… is that the nature of the strategy? And has… what actions have already been taken so that… it sounds like the homeowner didn't know that there was even help on the horizon or in the process.

[40:17] I don't know if I quite heard that. Well, they said that they were problems, and I don't know that they expected that they would be solved. But I… I don't… I don't… that's… that's, again, what we hear, right? Yeah. But… Yeah. Yeah, I think it would just be good to have a better understanding of what strategies are working their way, aside from big policy issues like protecting the land and You know, that sort of thing. Well, I think, I feel like the ball's in our court in terms of, like. there exist documents out there. There's a presentation by Molly that we've all seemed to collectively forgotten about large, large talking points from that. We can review that, and

[41:11] as things come up, we could reach out to… ask questions to Crystal or Molly. And then, I would think that if, you know, some of us dive in. We might identify some practical areas of advisory we might engage in. So, sometimes my notes are a little scribbly, and I write things down, and then I go back, and I'm like, that actually wasn't a scribbly, I wrote it very clearly. And that is, actually one of the things that was on the work plan as a potential And it was building codes and zoning codes. Specifically related to mobile homes. Parks. Anybody know why I wrote that down? Can you, anyone? One of the concerns was, and I think it was

[42:06] Was Isabelle the community? Yeah. She had a big mobile home, like 4 bedrooms, and she wanted to downsize, and she was wanting to try to get a tiny home, some small… And she couldn't, because it was illegal, because of building codes, and codes were prohibiting her from… and then there were other things about… the economic, application of current trailer, and she couldn't sell it, and that, you know, she was not going to be there, would it still be affordable to the next person because it couldn't hold her? So there was some complexity to it, but… The idea that… and that was all… because I did look into that, and I actually have a person who Was… is looking… very much looking into, the codes and zoning, because the state

[43:00] is, right now working on, legislature that will, consolidate and kind of clean up the building codes that govern manufactured housing. Right now, it's kind of Which is some of the things with tiny homes, right? What are they built to, and will they be accepted in the city as a manufactured home? The state has certain standards, the city has certain standards, and they don't necessarily speak to each other. That's… that's going through the legislative process right now, to have an outcome. that I think will… Greatly clarify and benefit people living in manufactured housing that want to change, you know, get a new one, a different one, change it out. because I agree, I think that that was… That carefully written statement had to do with Their hands are tied around making change. Do the codes.

[44:10] So again, I think it would be… interesting and educational for us to dig in, but I'm just thinking, what's the… Is it to come up with some… Points to just say. Yeah, so here's some things that Hav really thinks about. like, just supporting the Boulder Valley Comp Plan. And what's already happening with preserving and maintaining Mobile home parks. Like, is that… Is that an effective use of our time? What was the goal with bringing the panel?

[45:00] I think it was just… it was educational, so it was kind of like a… part two of Molly's presentation was, like, kind of the details and the numbers, but this was having some people… Residents and community leaders. So it was like the listening sessions of Days of Viewer, all those, I think those were bigger. Like, this wasn't a panel of experts, this was a panel of… witnesses to a situation. I think that, for those that are interested, I think by next meeting, we could review the mobile home strategic plan and come back with reflections on if there is actually anything else that we feel like needs to be addressed in… Like, by the city.

[46:02] Based on what we heard from the residents. But until we've actually read what's in that strategic plan, I mean, we can't really… Do much, right? Yeah, no, not in this discussion. Like I said earlier, let's put it on a future… I suggest we put it on a future agenda. I don't have a chance to watch the video by then, and don't know what you're all talking about. And we can all read and mark up the strategic plan, and… See where we might go with it. Oh, I was just kind of, affirming the last thing Lauren said. We're not gonna… probably won't be able to make progress on this tonight, given where we're sitting. As part of the review, Jay, is there a component to the manufactured housing strategy plan that shows the status of the different steps? And so there's a web page dedicated to this, part of it's the document, and part of it's the status of the steps?

[47:09] Or somehow? Yes, there's a whole page for manufactured housing in Boulder, and it has the strategy and the action plan. And the status of that action plan? Cool. Well, that's a good base. Okay, I'll put that on the work plan as a possibility. Anything else on that topic, or on the panel from last week that anybody wants to… Pass?

[48:05] It's just not fresh enough in our brains, because it seemed like there was a lot more Huh. I just… I think we oughta, it's worth maybe taking a moment to reiterate that it was, very generous of them to give their time and testimony. Absolutely. And, you know, the… There's a lot of upsides to these communities, too, and they're… they're highly valued, and they, they… dearly love their community… their respective communities, and I think, You know, if we… if we could, Figure out how to plug in in a way that's effective in terms of giving city council advice about what they could focus on next, or help identify things, or… or maybe even just, you know, but maybe what we'll discover is… Is there's a strategic plan in place so we can help.

[49:01] People understand that it's there, but maybe we'll also find opportunities in that. So, yeah, I think, I think, like I said before, I think the ball's in our court. We can… we have… we have kind of, like, things we can do to… to… to further this conversation. Laura, did you have anything else to add? Nope. Thanks, Karin. Jay, can I just ask a clarifying question? So… privately owned… mobile home parks, In the city are protected. By re… they can't be redeveloped, and that's a state. That's a city requirement. City regulation, so we have mobile home park zoning, basically.

[50:02] So you can only have mobile homes and mobile home parks. Okay. Which is part of the reason why you can't have fixed foundation tiny homes. Right. Because you basically would be displacing those mobile homes. Could you have tiny homes on wheels? I honestly want to have the… I don't know. So, if a mobile park owner, private owner, wanted to sell, they can only sell to another mobile park operator, is that correct? Is that true of the county as well? We have… I think so, yeah, because it's in the comprehensive plan that applies to both the county and city. Yes. Okay. Well, that's a huge step in the right direction of preserving. I mean, it's been that way for 30 years, so… Thank you. I didn't know that. Okay, all right. So, next item of business is approved letter to Council for January Retreat, and I'm just wondering, did everybody have a chance? I apologize for not getting it out when I thought

[51:17] Then it turns out I had. I'm not really sure what was happening there in my whole technology world. I saw it stuck in my outbox, and I was like, oh no! And then somebody's like, no, you already sent that. Huh. Good job, me! So, really, my question is, is, like, are we in the place to vote for approval? I've… I've read it, and I would love to just to review it quickly. Before we go to a vote. Did, Jay, can we bring it up on the screen? What'd you say?

[52:01] I can. Does that seem like a bad idea? It just invites group editing, but… Who did I… who… Who did I hear from that said, But they reviewed it. Looks good. Any of you? I did. Okay. I like it. I think it's really, really good. And it does mention manufactured communities. So, okay, so I guess my question is, do you… You have… you have it on your phone there? Looking at it on your screen? Yes. Okay. I'll pull it up.

[53:07] I like the content, and I think it's well-written, and I don't see any mistakes. I think… thank you, Lauren. I think, I think she did a good job of taking feedback from last meeting, and… Editing and making changes, and…

[54:14] So, Phillip, Bjork, anything else? I'm happy. I, I, I mean, there's a part of, there's a kind of part of me that wants to open up a can of worms, but… Okay, we're not changing the lab, but I want to hear about your… I'd hate for Jay to stretch his eyes as he rolls them back too far in the back of his head, but… I would be interested in knowing what you're thinking. Well, just one thing we might consider When we write letters to City Council. And I don't think we ought to do it for this letter. It's fine the way it is. But, You know, they're gonna get letters from All the boards, and various other political action committees, and You know, and…

[55:00] I think it's difficult for a letter written this way to stand out as… something where they would, like, after they read it, they would remember anything we said, you know, and, like, what was the thing that we came with that wasn't just sort of like, keep doing all the good housing stuff, you know? Like, how would we stand out? with a point that we think is important. You know, and selfishly, if I was… if I was, Wanting to then to, like, get anything, or take one thing or two things away. I would just be like. Sharing housing is my, you know, like, that's my little, that's my little soapbox for this year, and it's a low-hanging fruit, and here's these things that are kind of in motion. Please support this. It's mentioned here, and I'm really glad it's in there. This is, like, it's not… it's not very… a friendly thing to do to, like.

[56:00] up in the strategy of how we write letters as we're getting ready for approval. So I'm not… I'm really not trying to be… mean or disruptive here, but I just… as I'm kind of reading through it now, it's sort of what I was kind of surfacing for me. It's like, you know, maybe we ought to, like. just… You know… highlight… two or three things. I mean, that's kind of what… actually, that's what the point of this was, too, honestly, so I'll just be quiet. Well, it sounds like Philip just volunteered to write the note. And guess what? We know what I'm gonna say. I don't know, I think… I think by then I might be on the land value text. Okay. I think we should drop a couple of bombs. No. Bombs, what kind of bombs? Well, like, something startling, but I don't remember. Oh, yeah, I mean, I've got ideas along those lines, but… Yeah, I mean, that… I agree with what you just said. I also think that if we want to…

[57:00] introduce, yeah, a radically new, or different, or innovative topic that's… Or just to, like, or just to have a singular, a singular focus on something that would help them remember anything from my letter, you know, but… I, I, I don't… another one in, like, June. Yeah, so Council is now going to be requesting two letters a year, okay? Yep. I do… I appreciate what you're saying. I think, I mean, it's the same… same concept of… you know, job posting that gets 500 resumes. Like, how do you… how do you make yours stand out? And I appreciate that. I do appreciate it. But I really do… I do like all these things in here, so I'm happy to vote yes for it, and I don't really want to cause trouble tonight. I… I do think… I would… I'd be interested in exploring

[58:04] your idea of kind of making a splash in another way. Like, would that be… Appearing at a council meeting, and you have your 3 minutes, and… It's like that song, Tequila, right? It's just like a song, song, song, whatever, and then you say, shared housing! I'd be interested in just kind of exploring some other ways to be able to be, like, singularly impactful like that. I think it would be interesting. Well, I also, like. Just to cover my own earlier point, we do have 3 nice old bullets, and the first one is ABCP, which we've been talking about for 2 years, and I'm glad it's front and center, and that we're… They have yet another, thing they can point to to say people are, you know, different… these different organizations are supporting what we're doing along these lines, so I think it's important. I also am really happy with the second point and the three bullets there. I think that's…

[59:13] stands out. Michael, do you? Yeah. You good? Yep, I think I'm good, I mean… Cool. I agree with Phillip, but… Like, what are we gonna… come up with it, startling, and how many letters are gonna get? 40? I mean… Only 30, don't exaggerate. I think… You know, if we… We were to tease out some… Ideas that are not in this letter and produce. a targeted recommendation at a later date, January, whatever it is. That… that would, carry a lot more weed than whatever this letter is.

[60:02] So, does someone want to make a motion? Lauren, did you want to… do you have anything to add? No, I don't… I don't have anything else, and I appreciate Jay's minor comments here. and Redline, yeah, hopefully we incorporated All the revisions based on the last discussion. I would add that I think having the Bloomberg bullet is important, because we don't want them to forget that they did that, and to come up with some new ideas that merit a lot more exploring. I think we cut a couple of their bullet points out from Bloomberg, didn't we? Yep, that was intentional. How long did it… was that Bloomberg-Harvard thing? How long did it last? Yeah. 9 months? Okay, that motion, we approve this letter as written and submit it to Council.

[61:02] Oh, certainly. Awesome. All in favor? Okay, I'll take care of it for you. Excellent. Okay, great. Thank you. And I'll copy you all, click the final. Alright, so, have work plan review, So you guys all saw the current work plan attached to the… Minutes, and, I just wanted to spend a little time and do some brainstorming and figure out, kind of, what topics we might want to dive into this coming year. We do have, Lawrence putting together a panel with some awesome experts for the January meeting on neuro-inclusive housing, so that'll be really great.

[62:03] We also have, potentially, in February or March, an ADU update. Boulder Valley Comp Plan presentation… February, March, Jay? I'm sorry, I don't know. Okay, that's okay. It's on the… it's on the list. They haven't scheduled anything yet. Okay. I do. Can we make a… oh, you got it. That's… Couple little, things. So the land use tax, Karen's no longer here. Okay. Phillip, are you still interested in, in… That topic, that was a topic that you… I'm very interested in it. I haven't,

[63:06] Really started scheming on how to… Presented or, or, analyze it for, or whatnot. So, for me, it's kind of like… on the… on the horizon of things I want to get done next year, helping promote a meeting that runs scheduled. Do you think… can you tell me a little bit more about that use tax, or that Land value, tax, like… Yup. Do you have, like… What do you want to… what do you want to learn about, or do you have any ideas, like, what kind of experts we'd be looking at? I'm just trying to understand it a little bit better. Yeah. I don't have prepared remarks on this, and I'm not an expert. Yeah.

[64:01] So, land value tax is a way of restructuring our tax code. in a pretty profound way, so it's gonna be a controversial… Heavy lift, and so it's kind of… it's kind of just… My initial goal is to start a conversation in the community. It might get, you know, angry replies, and it might just get squashed and go nowhere. But the idea is that, You, restructure the taxing in a way that, is based on the value of land, and not necessarily on the value of the structures that are on it. And there's a… There's an aspect of, There's… there's a couple things to it. One is that it, I think the idea is to,

[65:02] Make better use of valuable land. So, one of the problems we have, we have lots of valuable land that has kind of very little infrastructure on it, and that's due to zoning codes, but it's also due to the way that we incentivize what gets built where. And land value tax is kind of a way of thinking about how to incentivize, making better use of valuable land. It's also… there's also an aspect of it where, Like, implementing a wealth tax. Is very difficult, because… political inertia, and even if you had 100% political support, it would… it's… it's logistically difficult. And land value tax can be kind of a proxy for that sort of change. So, I probably shouldn't say anymore, because I'm not an expert, and I may have already misspoken about what it's all about, but… I'm not an expert either. I try to summarize what you're getting at? Yeah. Because I think I understand the concept.

[66:13] So, I own a parking lot that's got average of 3 cars a day on it. and I'm taxed on that land as over a 5-story apartment building, it would behoove me… I'd be incentivized to… Be able to pay my taxes by… building a real building there. That's right. Which provides a resource that's valuable to the community, e.g. housing. Which might require zoning changes. Yeah, I think that's actually something we could make a recommendation on, too, in the future. I think we have in the past, but… rezoned parking for housing, we have excess parking in that city. Cool. The main motivation, my understanding, is that it discourages speculation, so people aren't holding onto land. Right. Anticipating that the value is going to go out, you know, which Boulder has a lot of…

[67:08] But the challenge is… The tax is not… say, specific. this is a county, you know, would probably even require the state to approve any significant changes, because it's a tax increase. Yeah, so we're unlikely to make a policy proposal. I just… I just want to, like, have a kind of a comprehensive, detailed summary of… I mean, it's been done in other communities. It's not… It's actually not a new idea, it's been… Oh, I'm not saying it's not a new… I mean, in fact, this is… No, I'm saying that, you know, there are barriers that can be overcome, that's my point. Yeah. Has have… had any… experts come and talk about this in the past? Nope. Plays in the trail. Plays in the trail. Stir in the pot. Okay, cool, thank you for that. That, that was really helpful. Awesome.

[68:02] about that. Okay, we still have on the list employer-created housing. Lauren, that potentially may be bringing in Danica. And some combination for that, yeah. Maybe. Sorry, what… Have to do with it? Yeah, I, I'm not sure. She created Employer? Based down there? Somewhere? I know she did some workforce housing. Okay. So, yeah, I think We should decide if we want to talk about employer-created housing or workforce housing. And, yeah, there's… there's several developers who've done some workforce housing,

[69:06] and also employer housing. So, yeah, if… How are those… how are those different? Oh, well, so employer-created housing is for specific employee groups. Whereas workforce housing is more middle-income housing for that 80-120% AMI. okay. Okay, so it seems… Seems so valuable to have that on our list, yes? Sure, yeah. Whatever that looks like. Okay. Michael… So I'm just looking at what's on here, because I want to just, like, kind of dig into them and see if it's really valuable to keep on the list. We can come up with our research as well, Michael. Next phase ideas for family-friendly zoning.

[70:00] What were you thinking about with that? Do you remember? I think it goes back to a conversation I had with the mayor, where we talked about, yes. I do remember, thanks for jogging that. It's great to have new zoning. What additional measures do you take that are actually going to provide some affordability? as we've… discussed in this. or several times, just dividing lots and making more houses on the same lot is not an affordable solution. Less expensive solution for… produces different housing types, but it's not going to create missing middle or workforce housing. So what do we do next? And that's a totally open area for exploration. I don't have any solutions in my head. Investigate, do some research, bring in other experts.

[71:00] discussed. And then, you know, it'll be big on the Council's agenda next year. Michael, when do you step off the board? I don't know, Jan, when do I… I know I got kicked off the board. March. Oh, March, I only, I don't have much time to solve this problem. Better get going. What's that? Better get going. Better get going, yeah. Well, maybe that's, for real, something we should look at for February. Do you… do you have any ideas about What experts might be, or… You know, I think there's going to be a couple of forms on this before February. I know Redder Boulder's gonna be the other one. Do you know about that? And I'm hoping that will… Provide some new ideas. you know, the Better Boulder Planning Commission put on their agenda to be sure it's addressed, but…

[72:04] Are you talking about the, vibrant neighborhood, ordinances? Well, I mean, I think the vibrant… the family, friendly, vibrant neighborhoods Which are also vegan and low-fat, or… Fat-based. You know, there's a lot of overlap with missing middle strategies, and Better Boulder is currently going to do a missing middle form in January. I see, okay. I think they will come up with some new ideas. Because those ordinances did, make zoning changes to open up new housing opportunities on existing single-family lots, which is not necessarily a developer target. Yeah. The question is, how do you create some measure of affordability Plus, what's already been…

[73:01] past, and it's being… because again, if you take a lot like the one I live in, as well as the three houses, it's gonna be three $1.5 million houses. It's… You know, creates less expensive housing, but not affordable, or attainable, or… workforce applicable. You know what you do? You wait 40 years. wait, 4 years? 40. Oh, 40. Because then what magically happened? New construction is never affordable. You pay a premium for new construction. And the fact that we haven't been creating these housing types for the past 40 years means we don't have a supply. I can, give a quick report out that supports Jay's point. This is a potential future tour for Hebb. I got a preview of the Office to Housing conversion next to E-Town Hall. I think it's now called the Terracell. We have gotten McMillan as a panelist, and Bill Schull, and they are…

[74:05] 70-75% through that project. And it's gonna pair out nicely, and it costs… I mean, this is not even new construction, it's an adaptive use. $1100 a square foot. So the condos, there's 6 of them, are going to range in price from about $1.2 million to $3 million. Especially for patients, I'd say a million. It's a nice project, I can't afford it. Cash in lieu is about half a mil. Seems like it doesn't cover a lot of need compared to the amount of luxury housing that's been created, but… They are demonstrating a point that this can be done with the right type of building, and they are well into doing it. I think, have a couple units under contract. Gavin said we could tour it, but it's a little farther along, like, the post part had, so I think it's supposed to be done by March. Oh, no, we had a presentation about this. Yeah. Yeah, now it's being done. Yeah, wow. It's well into construction.

[75:17] So… Yeah, it's expensive to build stuff. Okay, will… will you just think on that subject a little bit more? Okay. I'll see if we can… figure something out for February. Right. Okay. I mean, I was talking about this today, and I think that there are defined areas where you can make a difference. You know, land, financing, zoning.

[76:01] Fourth one is, streamlining approvals. whether it all adds up to an attainable unit is PBD. Yeah. To be the interesting thing about the vibrant neighborhood, of Sony. is that… All those hundreds of properties that are now eligible for multi. They have a duplex, or two houses. Are generally owned by single homes. Right. These are not… this is not developer pocket territory. And so there's an opportunity, I think, to… Inform. Which is what I'm doing right now. I'm doing ordinance learning sessions with the community, and it's interesting how people are surprised that, oh, this happened? Oh, my property can… I'm surprised that the developers haven't started approaching people, you know, because this is… but I think if the information gets to the people, the homeowners, the residents, the long-term, you know, landholders.

[77:07] Early enough. with some strategies, I think that that… because there's a lot of housing… do we… did the city do a map of how many, parcels are in that 350 feet corridor around? Sure, we did. I mean, I see the maps, but I wonder if they know how many How many? You have to go back and look at the memo. I'm curious about the feedback. No, I've been looking on the website, and I didn't… I never see the data, so I don't know if they have that. Is that a mapping? I do reach out to girls. Okay. Chase said to talk to you, girl. Don't tell him I sent you. I'm curious about the feedback you've gotten. I don't know how many people you've talked to, but… Have you ever heard anybody say, oh my god, I've had my house for 30 years, I'm gonna turn it into a triplex now, and… The interesting thing are in the, north, like along 19th, those are big lots to begin with, and a lot of people have

[78:07] But the surrounding lots, so they have land. So it's not about, you know, shrinking the lot they're going to live on to subdivide it. It's… it's surprising to me how… and they're all, you know, people in their 80s. These are old people that have been here forever, that are sitting, talking about people, sitting on this land, and in their minds, like, well, I'm just waiting to put it for sale and sell it to a developer. And what I'm offering them is You can take charge and own it. And sell it, because it could all be sold, right? So it's a… it's about education, right? We talked about just getting, even with the manufacturing, just get the information out there so people know what their choice is. After you're doing that, but what… what kind of outcomes do you envision? Well, because I have an architect… Because I have an architectural practice, and I have a building system that I've invented, and that, you know, radically cuts costs for Michelle.

[79:13] labor and material. We're looking at creating a model that will put things togetherness. at much less than 750 square foot. You know, we're… and it'll be hybrid. Part modular, part stick-built, but with components, fabricated. So. it's… it's a whole new way of thinking about building small. I specialize in small, so that's what I think about all the time. And the idea of Bringing the buyers into the process, or, you know, young professionals, or retirees that want a new house, whatever that buyer component. It's… it's changing the model. And… and moving away, because construction, especially residential, has gone the way of commercial construction. There's a GC, and there's all of these subs, and you will never get affordability with that model.

[80:07] you've got to, you know, shake it up from the get-go. So, this all came as a result of this… of the upzoning, that there are possibilities on the table And that's what I've been working on in the last couple of months, is to identify, how… this week, I'm putting together a good team of professionals to start, because some people are saying, okay, tell me how I start. So… But it's a different… it's a different way of looking at it, because we usually sit back and think, okay, the developers are going to be the ones in charge. This is saying, no, no, let… let the long-term residents be the ones in charge. And… and because they can be sold, which is not the case with ADUs. ADUs are unaffordable unless you have money. But because they can be sold. They are real viable options for people.

[81:03] So, anyway, it's my little… Almost like a yogi, a yogi bearism. It's like, things are affordable if you have money. It's ridiculous what's happening. Well, when you put… when you went public with the $7.50 a square foot, I'm like, don't do that, Jay! Don't make it official. It's… it's sad, but anyway, that's an excellent topic. I'd be happy to… It's a great topic, so… I don't want to belabor this, but I've been curious, again, about the outcome, so… I live on North 19th Street, I don't… Right. And I have a big lot, and I want to stay there. Right. So I get to do that. version of the house I live in now. Right. I'm selling… I'm building two other units that are modestly scaled. And I'm able to sell those to new homeowners. At perhaps an attainable price.

[82:01] It's a vision. And I think that was the promise of the vibrant neighborhood of zoning, was that we would start creating housing for families, for young professionals, for retired people. Okay, so my point in raising this as a bullet point was… It's family-friendly, vibrant zoning enough. Does Council need to take other policy initiatives? I think it's in the market. I think at this point, it's up to the people and the professionals Like myself. Well, the market is totally against affordability of any kind. See, this is the… this… this is, I think, the challenge. Everybody thinks that the market is the developers who's all about profit. The market can be those individual homeowners. We've got to change the paradigm. We've got to… we've got to let people know, you guys have power, people! with these… with these hundreds, I want to find a number. How many are within 350, because it's 350 feet, right, of the transit corridor. How many…

[83:05] Single family in those three, four, four, zoning. How many… Houses are we really talking about? I think it's hundreds. Just visually on the map, right? But it's a change in thinking about who's doing the developing. Maybe you can find out that number. I'm gonna dig. Who do I ask? Carl. Jay, what is… what is the R&R program guidelines? That was, from Karen, actually, so we can get rid of that one. It has your name on it, but do you remember what it was? So we, Related to mobile homes, remember what you've had, like… $2.8 million grant from the state to do rehab for low-income homeowners. So,

[84:00] We… starting in January, when we hire a new staff person. They'll be coming up with the specific guidelines for the program. Yeah, so… Karen asked if Abb could review the applications, and I was like, no, because if they meet the… meet the requirements, then they're approved. But we could share the guidance. Before their final blast. But that's a pretty short agenda item, but I don't know exactly when we'll be. Okay. Do you have other ideas? Michael? Wanna task us with any things after you're gone? Again, I… I feel I'm really looking forward to this, forum in January, because I think that might produce some new ideas.

[85:02] I'm not sure if that's been advertised yet, but as soon as I see it… This isn't it by invitation. I think it is, yeah. So one thing, we went to the hallway, Hendrickson and I went to the… Demography Summit two weeks… two weeks ago. Okay. That's fascinating. Wow, yeah. There's some really interesting trends that are happening. And I asked Holly if she'd be interested in coming and sharing some of the highlights, and she, of course, would love to. Is that kind of the trends discussion thing here? Exactly. Excellent. And then if there's anything else specifically from, like, Housing Colorado, we talked about that. Although I did go. Are we… are we getting older? I'm sorry? Are we getting older? Yes. Oh, the most interesting part… I'd love to share one tidbit. The big picture for me. So, Boulder County, Jefferson County, and Arapahoe County.

[86:03] Would have lost population in the last decade if it wasn't for in-migration. And international in migration. So it used to be that, 80% of the in-migration to Colorado was national. And 20% was international, and then the last decade, that's switched. It's been 80% international. Wow. So, all of the projections have… for Colorado, in terms of growth, have been revised down. They're still projecting some increase, but then… following more closely with the national trend. So Colorado isn't the fast… fastest growing… among the fastest growing states anymore. Are we okay with that? has huge implications for everything. But I mean… again, I…

[87:03] We're used to thinking that growth is the only way to go. Right? Paradigm shift. Is it time for a paradigm shift? Implications with simple things like Tax revenue, sales tax revenues, right? That's part of the challenge the City of Boulder is facing, right? Declining revenue. Increasing demands. Aging population, so we have fewer workers supporting those who are retired. Yeah, that'd be cool to hear about some… some of that. Okay. Awesome. I did read… this is a little random one, sorry. I did read an article yesterday that could relate to the manufactured housing discussion. there's a program in Lincoln, Nebraska for the… I believe it's a city, To fund energy upgrades.

[88:06] for apartment owners. In exchange for their pledge to stabilize France. I can send the article around. So, own… say that, just say that again? So, for them, okay. Let's say I own a 10-unit apartment building, and… Yeah. you know, the city paid me to pull heat pumps or whatever, you know, energy saving, put solar panels on the roof. I'd say, I'd have to agree, it's like a deed restriction. Rent will be capped at this amount of increase. Like, voluntary rent control with a carrot to make it happen. So you're saying that energy incentives and rebates.

[89:02] find a mechanism for offering them to, well, like, magnified mobile home parks, or certainly the small apartment buildings as well. We hear about Energy bills being a big challenge for people that live there. And how do we get the owners of the parks to… You know, make some of those upgrades and get… have an incentive to do that. I'd like to read that. That sounds interesting. Lauren, did you have anything to add to the work plan? Nothing else, no. Since you have your phone, you want to just pull up our letter, which was approved, and see if that triggers any thoughts? The letter we just approved? Yeah. Take a look. I mean, Phillip, we can always talk about home sharing initiatives, but what, what…

[90:08] what could that look like? Like, you know… We've had some guests Talking about the benefits and what that could look like and stuff, but what… how else could we expand on that topic to be able to learn more to make recommendations to Council? Well, I guess I would defer to Jason. Like, there's some things in the works on this topic, and I'm happy to kind of watch that unfold and participate as I can. So for the others, Philip agreed to help us with sort of a… a group discussion on how to roll out a potential home sharing program in Boulder County. So he'll be sort of the representative, you know, report back to the group.

[91:00] With your permission. Yes. I support it. Yeah, that'd be great. Did you say that… CU is a part of that, or is, like, the… Yes, we're trying to involve CU, so, like, we want to have the event at CU, we want to involve their student council. And their faculty are not to talk to their staff. So I would just say for this subject, just… Expect, some… Updates. I don't see any need to have an initiative where we're, like, brainstorming. New ideas around it. One… one theme that has often filled our work plan is,

[92:01] just anticipating what's on the docket for City Council that's housing-related. Do we have a… is that coming up in the second half of the meeting, or… No, we're… But are there… are there things that we need to be anticipating that are coming up in their work plan? I guess that's… I'm ill-defined, because they're gonna be putting that together. Sorry. Well, so Housing and Human Services, we have a work plan. No big surprises there. You've heard about all of our current initiatives, things that we're working on. I try to give you updates regularly. What we don't know, right, is what comes out of the Council Retreat, which is January 12th and 13th? Did I get that right? Yeah. So… and that's why you're writing a letter, is to help inform them. So hopefully there will be something related to housing, since…

[93:02] Housing, homelessness, and public safety are the top three concerns that we always hear about. and then there will be a citywide, city strategic plan update. I'm starting again next year, and that will identify more longer-term city work plan items. So… But, yeah, no big things on the horizon. Because we're also in a very financially constrained environment right now. Is there anything else that we want to rate? I'd take a look at more in relation to… The city-related affordable childcare spaces, or the city-supported affordable assisted care living facilities.

[94:05] Those were a couple of the points from the Bloomberg. Bang. One thing I did have as a potential work plan item is just senior housing in general, and so maybe just kind of… Statistically, like, Learning about what options exist, and… Potentially thinking about what the needs are. In relation to senior housing. Yeah, I'm trying to think, I mean, we just toured Hilltop, so that's the latest BHP. formal housing projects specific to older adults. There's IMR.

[95:00] Lauren worked on. Golden West… I mean, there… there's… There's a lot out there, Not aware of the next project. Specific to older adults. Do we know what the, existing senior housing… Numbers are relative to senior housing… Neat. Need? Do we have that kind of data? So it's not broken out by, sort of, age, but we do know that… You know, population is aging. We've heard anecdotally that a lot of people are concerned that they won't be able to stay in Boulder. I mean, they don't really have a whole lot of choices when they move.

[96:05] So, I mean, that's part of… one of the things we're trying to help with, and the comp plan was to be… One of the things we heard throughout the Bloomberg was that life… change in life events. Precipitates a need for a change in housing. And being able to provide as many choices as possible is what… really what people need, right? So it's not specific to older adults, you know, it could be someone who needs more accessibility. So yeah, I know it's not super satisfying, but a lot of our approach to affordable housing is When an opportunity presents itself, we pursue it. So what, you know, where's the opportunity? Where can we get the biggest bang for our buck? Because there's a need all across the board. And we were just talking about this today. So, again, the biggest need in the community is that 0-50% rental.

[97:10] even though, you know, we're doing fairly well, BHP is, you know, doing a fantastic job and meeting that market, they're not meeting the full demand. That's where the biggest demand is today. And that could be older adults? Of the rental. Yeah. So, I mean, every affordable unit we create is an opportunity for an older adult. Particularly if they're in a fixed income. We just only have a handful of communities where it's specifically… it's only for people, older adults. Some people like that, not everybody wants to live in a community with other older adults.

[98:01] Any other ideas? Well… Other stuff will come up, I promise. Yeah. It's never, it's never built. It's over your idea, the SRO. Oh, I still have it on the list. Yeah. Yeah. Keep that in the work plan. Yeah, thank you. Yup. Yeah, Karen's all his names on here, right? SRO, thank you, Connect. Maybe not. I should have asked him. Let me just ask him. Now we can ask Chip about the rent data, if that's still of interest. I'm not sure.

[99:02] All right. Anything else on that? Topic? Alright, if you randomly think of an idea. Just email me. I'll add it to the list. Alright, cool. Jay? tell us some staff stuff, city stuff. Staff stuff. Staff stuff. Yeah. So we had a meeting this afternoon, regarding communication with… between boards and council, reiterating this first, letter, the… You guys are well ahead of the deadline of December 19th to get the letter turned in before their retreat. In January, and then it was mentioned today that they'll be doing a second, letter, a second yearly letter, so one right before the retreat, and then one in, like, June or July, but a date hasn't been set yet, nor a prompt for what Council wants. This…

[100:09] year is a shortened year for Council priorities, because of the change in the way that voting is going to be done, so this council is a one-year council, and there'll be a vote again, so prior dues are going to be a little shortened this year. There was discussion regarding the, Recruitment, for boards and commissions. Applications will open on December 8th. And go through January 25th for all boards. They will be hosting a job fair, open house style event like they did last year, but it will be on January 5th. The ask is for at least one staff member, and if possible, a board member, to attend.

[101:02] They're the… The city manager's office that kind of organizes the boards. We'll be providing, me, hopefully, with some more information regarding any information to be tabled at the event. We don't have a meeting between now and January 5th, so be looking for emails, and reminders if anybody wants to join, and attend that. To try and, garner some, new applications, interviews for application… for applicants. will be held February 2nd through 13th, and then appointments will be the… there's only one regular meeting in March, which I believe is the second week of March, but I can't remember the date at the moment. And that's when the new board members will be appointed, to all boards. Tiffany, when was the deadline for applications, would you say?

[102:06] January 25th. So they'll open December 8th and close on January 25th. Did you say, There is a date for the open house? January 5th. So far. They kept saying that date, and then also… but it's tentative. So it's possible that it might change, but I have a feeling that they'll probably keep that date. We'll let you know when it's final. I can ask for a volunteer. Yeah, when I get any more, like, actual details. We should be getting some… The official information here in the next week or two. And that's all the information that we were given today regarding communication between boards and council. Didn't want to talk about one meeting. So, I don't know if you guys are aware, but the City Council has moved, their format, the way that their, like, minutes and memos and things are all housed in a program called OneMeeting.

[103:12] Over the next year, all boards and commissions will be transitioning to using one meeting for Like, our agendas and packets and things like that. So we won't have… like, PDFs and things like that, you'll get a link to the document that is, like, housed on the city website. So when, like, the chair and Jay are working on things, you guys will have a… I don't know how… Jay will decide how you guys work on it together, whether you work on it in the system, or how you work on it currently, but Yeah, that's gonna be a slow transition, because there are… 26, I think, boards and commissions in the city, and so they're going to slowly migrate. So I don't have a timeline specifically, just sometime in 26, we'll be kind of transitioning from the way that we've been doing it, you know, Word, PDF, things like that, into one meeting.

[104:13] Not too scary, I imagine Planning Board is going to be one of the very first ones to move. Will those links be downloadable? Yeah, you can download, the packet. It would be nice to have continuity. Yeah, so our… some of our operations are gonna… might have to change, because they're trying to make all the boards and commissions more consistent. So… It did seem like that there was room for flexibility and, like, individuality, but they are trying to get… because there are such a variety of boards, and there hasn't been, a lot of… standardization between all of the boards. There's a lot of different ways that we all Take notes, or take minutes, do agendas, things like that, so they'll be a little bit more streamlined and continuity between all the boards and commissions.

[105:05] So is this, like, Google Docs for boards and commissions? Sort of, OneMeeting is a Microsoft 365 platform, so it uses Microsoft Word, you know, as far as all of the editing and things. It's not going to be a… crazy program or anything that anybody has to learn. It's just, it's more on our side, on the staff's side, unloading the documents and making them available for for everybody, but I imagine we'll be getting a lot more direction as, the clerk's office kind of decides on the cadence and which boards are going first, but planning board is usually the, the, guinea pig, because they're a large, very complicated board, they want to get that one right, and if that one's right, all the rest of them will be easy. So I imagine you'll be getting those started soon.

[106:02] Thank you for letting us know. Well, yeah, the meeting was this afternoon, so I'm sure they'll be… I'll liaise the information. So, two weeks ago, City Council adopted the Affordable Housing Impact Fee. So, it's the voted 9-2. It's kind of interesting, the two people were not the two I thought would vote against it. But basically, they accepted staff and hub and planning board's recommendation. After lots of discussion. So that'll be effective January 31st. Generated just over a million dollars a year in additional funding for affordable housing. Which is cute. So, and then Boulder Mod. So I think you all know the first… duplex was set, on the… on election day.

[107:01] So, it went extremely well. So, other than traffic on Arapaho slowing us down. All four boxes were set, and the setting went perfectly. They've already roofed it, sheathed it, jingled it, and are working on siding in the front porch and the side shed. Hopefully it'll be done in the next few weeks, first family will move in, we'll do… we'll have an open house, before the family… families move in, just so people can see it. And then hopefully right around that time, we'll be setting the second box, or second duplex, right next door, so you'll be able to see side by side. So those four boxes were one duplex? Correct. Interesting. Yeah, it'd be great to do a tour. Is the, retention going of, people who live there now?

[108:00] Hanging in and planning to come back to their new homes. At Ponderosa? No. One… most of the folks that are moving in haven't left, right? So they're living in their mobile homes until they move into a new home. Oh, okay. So it stayed. Exactly. So that's how we handled the displacement issue? Traditionally, you know, everybody moves out. And you build it, and then everybody moves back in, but most people don't. So, yeah. Exciting times. Yeah, it was a big week. It was very exciting to watch those boxes get set. Successfully. I saw the pictures you said, that was pretty cool. So yeah, that's all I got. A little excited. Okay, anything else? Tonight, anything? Lauren, anything?

[109:04] No, thank you. Well, I'll make it a motion to adjourn. Back to him. Excellent. All in favor? Oh, yay. Great. Thank you, everybody. Bye, y'all! You're well. Happy Thanksgiving. YouTube? And Merry Christmas. Oh, right. That's right.