August 24, 2020 — Housing Advisory Board Regular Meeting

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[MM:SS] timestamps correspond to the YouTube recording.

[0:00] And really be thinking very broadly about our new urban format and and what's going to be here. And what's the function and purpose of everything and So far as the tiny arms. I only briefly collect got to gloss. Your, your agenda for tonight, but I think you're going to have to talk to will birchfield would claim and development. Because my understanding is there has to be sprinkler systems also in the tiny homes and that you have to be hooked up officially not. I was hoping that the tiny homes could just be anchored somehow That they have actually blown away. Believe it or not, if you look up tiny homes but As far as linking them in to the exists pre existing infrastructure will birchfield would have there would have to be some maybe Some kind of changes to the way planning and development can authorize that to be done.

[1:02] Because I had, I had that issue come up with my own ad you, which I don't have an ad you now, but I could and I have to have a separate sprinkler system, but just I really like the idea of tiny homes because of their agility, you know, you can move them to where you want But if they have to be on a fixed Foundation. And basically, they're not telling you homes. So those are just a couple thoughts. Sorry, I only got three minutes, but I'm good luck with your meeting and thanks Thank you, Lynn. Sofa Is there anyone else. Let me look here, whose hand is raised Her hand there. I don't see any other raised hands, but is there anyone else who would like to speak tonight who is present.

[2:05] I don't want anyone else raising their hands. Yeah i i don't see. I don't see anyone either Okay. Well, with that, I'll close public participation. Thank you for speaking Lynn. And folks can always email us as well. If something comes up later. So No fear. Okay, I think we can move on to the main event which is matters from the board. And the first item is a revision of revisiting ation of the study session that happened in February and That was attached to the agenda, and although I was not present at this meeting. I watched it, I was, you know, I've read the transcripts and I've reviewed the the documents that were given out and

[3:06] It seems like there's something there that we can discuss and I just want to open it up for discussion to see if anyone has any. anything they'd like to bring forth and, you know, have the board discuss around protect you know to inform some sort of potential recommendation to counsel around tiny, tiny homes. And took me a while to unmute sorry I just wanted to make sure we're all on the same page. So I'll just say what my recollection is and then we can see where to go from there. So, As I recall it. We wanted to talk about this particular session. And if we want to do any follow up, but also if we want to do any follow up in the Future of any of our listening sessions, we've had the listening sessions we have had. We've all felt, I believe, generally consensus.

[4:09] That they've been good. And we've heard great things we haven't really made recommendations to counsel at all. And things have just sat there and we threw them in as links with our letter our yearly letter, and then they certainly didn't get any attention that way. So in general, I think we needed to start a two part discussion. Do we want to do that in the future. And do we want to do something about this now that that was sort of my recollection A behind Mason. Yeah I second what Judy was talking about. I think we have a decision around listening sessions on process. What do we want to do after listening sessions. Do we want to just compile information and decide if we want to do recommendations or not. And then, in particular, what do we want to do with this listening session. So yes, I second what Judy saying

[5:15] Yeah, absolutely. My intention, you know, bringing this back to the agenda was for us to have a conversation about what what we would do with this. Kind of rich information that was gathered at that at that study session and not, as you said, Judy, just to have it kind of sit, sit there so very open up for discussion jack. Did you want to say something. Yeah, I was just, I suppose this was also one of the pieces we put together. And the last recommendation. One of the points that we had and So in some ways I guess I'm curious to hear from the have HR see that that committee report, see if this is something that came up on their plate as

[6:02] Or what you know where they think we are with all of those items to get a sense of, if this, you know, I would love to see the tiny homes thing continue to move forward. But again, as far as priorities, kind of, and if that's something on the front burner or we, you know, it's on a sidebar. I guess that maybe we could get some direction from the discussion of the, the committee and you know from there. From their report to us. Mason, do you want to say anything about that or do you want me About the bleacher seats committee. I mean, we, I would say. And Judy jump in at any point, but I would say that what we've done over the last four weeks, in particular with that is There's meetings every Sunday at 12 o'clock. And what we're doing is collecting data. And making some connections within the community around

[7:00] Some elements within the plan and the recommendations that we had talked about And in particular, because of the sense of urgency. The things that have come to the forefront are safe parking encampments and The tiny house piece and and Judy, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's to divide and conquer. We've all kind of taken out an area that Resonates with each one of us and have connected with community organizers nonprofits other individuals to see where they're at. So we're just getting a lay of the land to see where everybody is at and who's doing what, so that When we come back with this kind of collection of information we know where everybody's standing it and we'll be able to either Make a decision as a group, how we want to proceed. Do we want to support other groups. Do we want to

[8:02] Put forth something of our own. Do we want you know what elements we can pick up and and take charge of. So right now, again, and I'm sure Judy will probably add to this, but we're just collecting information and we're doing it at record record pace. So, and I should add that Judy's been doing 99.9% of all of it. Really, I don't know where any of us would be without Judy. I'm just a little agitated at the current national political situation. So it keeps me busy. So yes, I agree with everything you said. Bad certainly tiny homes have certainly one of the issues we're looking at most closely. Now, we certainly want to look at, at all the issues at in time, but this is a little bit different than that because You know, to me, when we asked the public to come and have a listening session. It seems like we almost have an obligation to damn to report out in some way, what we heard from the public.

[9:05] And although this piece about a possible tiny home village for permanently affordable housing or permanent or transitional housing into permanently affordable housing is very important, but it's not the only thing that people said this. So you can rest assured that when we talk when we're talking about the Joint Committee. We'll talk more about that but but this particular thing that listed a lot of people's interests. What do we want to do with that. Yeah. And remember, and just tack on to what Judy saying to is that that piece of tiny house village like for vets are etc. This one was a way to have shared equity with land owners and tiny home home owners. And share space land, etc. So there was a lot of opportunities in there, especially now more than ever with the issues around land getting so expensive, is that it's a great opportunity to do lease options and

[10:10] shared space. And also I wanted to add, if I might. It's not just that we have to decide if we want to make recommendations or not because we just gathered a lot of people's opinions at this On this We may instead just decide that what we want to do is a little different than a recommendation and just send a separate letter to console. So that they're aware of it and just request that they read it. So they have that as part of their body of information. I mean, we can. We have many things to do and it doesn't necessarily have to be recommendation. Great point. Yeah, go ahead. Julian. Us. I was just curious has Council asked specifically for information or recommendations on tiny homes from us.

[11:05] That Yeah, kind of included in the work plan. Sadly, the work retreat meeting of City Council was not recorded in any fashion. And so it's hard. But several of us that were there from beginning to end. And part of the house 2020 plan that was put forward had A tiny house element to it. And it's kind of a continuation over from last Council as well when Lisa more Zell asked for a moratorium on a couple of tiny houses in North boulder. That her ex husband had on property. So the discussion started during that council and has kind of carried over in a in a variety of fashions. I don't even know where that discussion landed. I know there was some request to Not have those individuals moved so it could be something to look back into as well.

[12:03] But yes, it was a during that work retreat. It was part of the enhanced plan that we got to look back into Maybe day could comment you could comment on On the work plan. You're familiar with in terms of what Council has on his plate coming up and how this this type of recommendation might dovetail into that and I do recall that when we had the discussion of the listening session about tiny homes you you brought up. The fact that this has been discussed multiple times in history and Has some some challenges with it. And i again i want to take advantage of the institutional knowledge we have in the room, which is Which is Jay in terms of the history of of what's gone down with the city and with the various council that he's transcended over the years. So There are Others. That that's like I said, it has been on councils sort of longer work plan for many, many years. But it currently is not prioritized on how services work.

[13:12] So, You know, that's a separate issue than with Mason is talking about. So I would just, I would just comment on on that if it's not specifically on the work plan, but we want to share the Feedback from the listening session, I'd be in favor of of sort of expressing what the feedback was from this listening session to counsel, but I would refrain from making any recommendations at the risk of Providing something that was not asked for or not part of the official work plan. So that we we maintain our credibility as a board. Thanks, Julia. Yeah. DANNY. GO AHEAD. Um, I think, as a matter of course, uh, you know, since we had the Minutes them. It's a very detailed they give a good reflection of the things that we talked about. We all have an opportunity to talk

[14:10] About those minutes. Subsequently, and see if there's something that we feel wasn't reflected in the minute. So I think just Providing a feedback that kind of through our lens as as a as a board here because the opportunity to attach the Minutes, essentially, since there, you know, public record any out and attached to The Council say here are mates from this listen session. Here are some of the things we thought were really interesting are elusive at that we wanted to share with you, etc. So it kind of a generic feedback. memo that attaches the minutes for the Council on every listening session that we have and then And then we Can really deliberate, you know, based on the I'm the gravity and the the

[15:01] The time sensitivity of have some Some sessions that we have, whether or not we want to have something that kind of states, a little more in terms of opinion. I wouldn't want to curtail as giving any sort of insider input to the Council on the notion that you know they may disagree with us. But I think we're going to be a lot more measure in terms of how it can be that, but we can also we can always convey Just basically what we learned from there. And then, and then really deliberate on what we Collaborate for the Council decides that would be my thought. It's great. It seems like, yeah, go ahead, Judy. I was just gonna mention that this this conversation seems very fluid with the next next discussion, which would be the update from the you know the drink committee so I'm you know Ready for us just to transition into that whenever everyone else's ready to but go ahead. Judy. So it seems maybe that there's a consensus for passing on this report, is that what you meant, rather than the Minutes, Danny. The

[16:09] Yeah. And so I also favor doing that and not making recommendations at this time, but not because we're not supposed to. I want to remind everyone that one of the things that we are Ordained to do in our ordinance is to develop and recommend WITH COMMUNITY INPUT innovative approaches to accomplish the city's housing goals. Including tools for preserving existing housing so we can do something different, even though it's not in the work plan as long as we attend to the work plan. But we haven't we haven't really talked us through. And really, really researched it. This is just reporting to them what we heard from the community. And I think that would be good to do at this point. And as you said. From then on, with every listening session. Yeah, and I would agree. Before we move on to make sure that we've decided on next steps on what we want to do both. With this with these particular minutes

[17:09] Yeah, go ahead. I'm just kind of follow up on on Judy there. I also, you know, I mean, I think this is one of my My kind of positions on this that as Judy said part of our, our effort should be to try to provide innovative solutions. And I think that requires us to actually develop those out. So if we're just putting in front of counsel at this point a memo basically as Danny suggested I think that's fine. And I think this does dovetail like you said in with the, the Joint Commission or the Joint Committee discussion a little bit to see what's our workload. What are we actually going to take on what are we going to you know put first But I personally think that we've been in discussion, you know, it's been extended out thanks to Kobe on the tiny home thing. And I think we had a great listening session. My interest would be to say, Let's, um, you know,

[18:14] In Danny's methodology potentially update Council on just what we learned in that listening session. I'll see it in the Minutes, as he said, but the question for us is, are we going to put that on our plate and are we going to start developing You know, probably in You know, Cohort with planning board members. And start to look at what would be an actual policy suggestion for Council so that if we're going to eventually put something there, there's actually A concept. So I think that's the piece that I'd like to see us look at tonight. And as I said, I think it comes into a discussion with everything else that might be there for us.

[19:03] Did you have something Yeah, jack, I completely agree with you. I think it's fine to pass along what we heard from the listening session regarding tiny homes, but I believe that should be, you know, couch. This is what we think on I think we should formulate Our own opinion. Have a discussion come up with a plan. Jay, I'd like to ask you again, you said that tiny home program is not a priority for the Council at this time. Is that correct or it's just not another one. That is a good question. I mean, when I first started this back in 2015 homes, I would say it was a top three after 80 years something else. But it's kind of fallen off over the years is sort of my impression But I would just, you know, I would add, it seemed like there was at the listening session there seemed to be some energy around tiny homes on wheels picking out something like that. That's very discreet and specific

[20:07] And giving some shape to it like set you up well for the Council letter to inform their retreat discussion. So if you can make a compelling case, I think Council could pick it up at in their retreat and say, We think this should be a priority for 2021 Thank you. That helps because my personal opinion is everybody knows I'm a big fan of tiny homes and I think it's a great opportunity. To provide more quality reasonably priced housing, if it's done right, it's done well and it's well thought out and I think it's something we absolutely should talk about formulate an opinion on And and pass it on to councils, our opinion, separate from from the listening session. I mean, obviously, if we want we can incorporate things we heard in the listening session and our opinions. But I think it's something we actually should spend some time on and come up with something that we can all agree on, and send out to counsel is what we think absolutely think it should be part of our agenda.

[21:10] And I agree. That's basically what I was alluding to that, you know, we relay the information. But then we focus on the thing that we felt was most Most Sally and from, you know, during that listen session. So I think Jay and like you said a tiny homes on wheels definitely stood out to me something where You know, there's a lot of insight that I feel like we obtained during that session and that you know could be something that we focus on relaying to the Council. Based on that session. Awesome. Yeah. Um, I just wanted to Touch in with. Well, both with Jay and with Peter To get while we're all sitting here together just to get a little bit of input from kind of those two position staff and planning board, Peter, if you have some input that you can give us on kind of what you see as maybe the the hurdles and opportunities.

[22:16] From those two perspectives of the of the tiny home piece. You know, I know we had the utilities hookups and who I think was Lynn who mentioned, you know, talking to To the head of the building department about how we do those things. I think those are things that could be worked through. But I'm just curious from a planning zoning piece and you know Jay and and Peter, what what infancy would have Around yeah I am truly you to Frame that So that I can fit it into the right place have hard enough time. I'm not getting in trouble playing board chance My, my cameo here. So maybe

[23:02] I can fit in what I I have certain opinions on You won't get in trouble here, I promise. Yeah. So yeah, really cards now. So I'm just sort of my personal observation working at the city is that tiny homes gets thrown out there as sort of a solution to A lot of props. And it's really challenging because so broadly defined, you know, if you ask them, What is tiny. I mean, everybody, you'll get 12 different Interpretations. So if you ask 11 you'll get 12 different interpretations. Anyway, that's why I suggested the tiny homes of wheels. And I think that was one of the outcomes from the listening session was, you know, okay, well, what's the difference between a tiny homes on wheels versus an ad in somebody's backyard. That's something that we, I think we could figure out through tweaking of the current regulations.

[24:05] The time zone village, I think, is going to be much I mean, so you have to figure out where that where is that land, even though we have a great model and long, but it's just You know, I just see a lot of hurdles. So, Much to look behind them. It looks like the chain coming But My impression is that tiny home village is something that is outside of planning board scope, because It. We're not policymaking body. And so we interpret the code based on applications and struggling to envision a scenario or staff would present us with that with criteria that That would match.

[25:00] What we're supposed to do. The first issue I think is something Like vision us and we have this So that's the direction I would go and I'd invite anyone to maybe break apart that first concept a little more for me if it has to do with How it comes to be mean it has shared the EDU discussion which everyone seem to forget that at us do cost. Money to build and we're not going to have a wildfire of Ed us being built just because they're allowed because it still does take quite a commitment. So that's my first first blush response to it. I think it would mirror and a lot of the decisions we didn't make on at us and a lot of the arguments that we had on the board about What they would or wouldn't do the character of a neighborhood does seem to be where the fault lines that we break on on neighborhood character parking density

[26:12] Peter, you did great. Nobody's mad. And I just wanted to suggest that we sort of look at this in two parts. And the first part be just maybe send the report with a cover note. Maybe from Charlotte or Charlotte Mason, however you want to do that, that just says, here's the report we have an interest in the topic of tiny homes that we may be pursuing something like that and just and that you may hear about in the letter or something like that. Let it go. And meanwhile, if we really do want to look at the topic that we keep in mind, a couple things. This is not going to be the year when city council's interested in spending money. So that's something we have to keep in mind, certainly, but also The joint committee will be looking at the possibilities for tiny home village and whether or not it's viable.

[27:06] But for other things, like you were saying J might be an easier reach to have some just general changes to ordinances or zoning or something. So that there can be the possibility say of tiny homes with wheels, if such and such exists there probably has to be a little committee to start working in that because I don't think we can Tackle a complex issue in our meetings, I think there would have to be work of a couple people outside of meetings. Jenny. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, I had it on mute. Sorry. So I just say I agree with that. But I think, um, You know, uh, what I like to do is just kind of emphasize the, the, if we're gonna if we're going to go that route. Um, what I was saying, I think the best the best means would be to emphasize for Council, we learned a lot about tiny homes on wheels. We learned a lot about how there's a real

[28:02] Demand a need for that and the emphasis on that from the tiny home community. And that's something where, you know, in terms of how we do it. You'd have my concern is If we had a task force on that. It's really something to say this is really something for Council and now as the years we've talked about in prior meetings is the slate of evictions and stuff like that starts to increase Can help address immediate needs and we're all supportive of it. And if there's anything we can do to help, please let us know kind of put it that way. Right, so that we're not jumping into the policy pool. But, you know, certainly. I think something like that too. There's a little whole heck of a lot less regulations, Peter, which is I think what you're saying, then we're dealing with, like, a village, you know, which, you know, that's a taking a machete zoning code so Mason. Yeah, I totally agree. Danny, I'm something for us to think about as well is that we need to start framing out our letter to city council and what we would like to have

[29:14] Them potentially put on their work plan for 2021 And so When we're talking about some of these things, whether it's the house plan or the tiny house plans and framing a great point, Danny. What seems to be most pressing in our community is going to be the evictions, it's going to be individuals, especially within our workforce struggling to find and afford housing anywhere in our community right now. So some of our more urgent issues for the work plan could be framed around that. But I know will want to put this on the agenda soon because I think Duty and jack remind me, but I think we started in September, didn't we, putting together letter because we wanted it to go by December, because we didn't, we didn't have a meeting in December. So, September, October, November, that's all we had to get that approved. So something to think about.

[30:18] And I'd like to add, once again, Danny. You've just written the cover letter for Charlotte Mason in what you said and they can just play back what you said. And that makes a pretty darn good cover letter. So I think your guy's job is a lot easier just replay Danny. Good, good. I forgot I said already thoughts. It's awesome. Thank you. Is there anything else. That folks want to add to this it from from my desk from what I'm hearing it seems like we want to send We want to send a note to counsel just sharing with them that You know this listening session was impactful, perhaps as Danny mentioned emphasizing certain points, such as

[31:09] Tiny homes on wheels and maybe one on one or two other points that you know housing that the board is interested in continuing to research and look into and that the Joint Committee will continue looking at at this issue of tiny homes. That the Or that it's included also the tiny house village portion is included, but I in the Joint Committee discussion. But I think what Danny was saying is that we emphasize Just tiny houses and due to eviction levels that what we found interesting in our listening session. And it's just for their further information unless we want to be a formal recommendation. Yeah, absolutely. And I'd be in favor of a cover letter, but then sending the report because the report really contains what everyone thought and even if we don't agree with a certain point that a person said

[32:07] That person bothered coming to the meeting to express it so you can make a couple bullet points of what you feel, we see as the most salient points, but just to include that report for those who want to read What everyone thought, whether or not they read it. Yeah, and it'd be great to get folks input on and what what they would like to be emphasized there Mason. If you want to drop that with me. And if everyone else wants to look at that, before we send that to cancel that seems seems reasonable to me. How about we flip the responsibility, a little bit and say, if everybody could just send one or two bullet points you thought was important to Corey when we draft the letter will make sure the top three get involved included Awesome. Yeah. That's so great. So if you could do that by, let's say, what was it Wednesday. So if we could do that by Monday.

[33:02] Saturday Friday. Our go That seems okay to me. Are there any objections to that timeline. Knock, knock. Who's there. Okay, great. Is there anything else on this topic in particular, you know, this listening session before we transition into the report from More talking from Mason and Judy on Yes, yes, yes, yes. If we want to do the same sort of thing with future listening sessions that was that was part of this part. Yeah, we will discuss future listening sessions. Later and and i think that this process. This process makes sense and the conversation isn't over. We're not necessarily even tabling the discussion on tiny homes. It's just we're not making a recommendation to counsel at this time.

[34:13] I think the future listening sessions can follow this this kind of format as well, but it can be very fluid. Okay, well, if, if we're okay with moving, moving on to the next item. I'm very interested to hear about other things that Mason and Judy and the other members of the Joint Committee have been discussing. Want to do it are You are you So there's four there was for meeting Sundays and I'll just give a gist of it. And then do you have the meat. So we had four meetings noon on Sundays. The first meeting was a shakeout we just introduced each other what Was most important for each of us as we're going forward. And what all of our understanding was which is

[35:03] None of us are making decisions and none of us are making a recommendation towards our respective groups. What we're doing is collecting and connecting and compiling so that we can bring back information on our recommendations that is supportive Or reflective of anything that we're finding out there. So for instance, on safe parking and we're connecting with all the advocates out there because as we know City doesn't want to throw any money at this so it is important for us to build relationships, both In the faith based community advocates anybody that's interested in that. So that's what we started doing was putting the feelers out there to anybody that's actively doing this within our community in Longmont, etc. And then we also started researching on a national level. Anybody that's doing or piloting any of these programs. So we are literally just compiling

[36:03] All of the information pros and cons, all of it so that we can lay it on your doorstep, as we get to a point of presenting more of them. And I would say You know, it's probably going to hit it different levels but Judy, you can. I can inform what I'm finding about safe parking and encampments if you want to. Or if we just want to keep going with the fact that we're, we're just connecting with people. Judy, feel free to jump in. Yeah, I don't know how much detail you want us to get into. But first of all, Adam is our liaison from city council and he met with us. The first time on this past Sunday. And how that will work. Is he will go to whatever meetings he can, and when he he can't go will give him a report of that meeting, so he can loosely keep in touch with what's going on. And so we're not going to send him every time we collect a piece of data. We're not going to send that to him. He's already flooded and that just wouldn't be fair to do but we're giving him the just of keeping him apprised of what's going on.

[37:13] So the, I would say it boils down to the things we're doing our research and outreach and besides looking into the community. As Mason said and looking for people who don't agree with our particular individual points of view as well as people who we think shared the same idea. Some people have contacted us and requested meetings and I have found this far more interesting than I ever expected it. To be because I'm learning all these intricacies about say safe parking lots of what I've studied the most so far. And just talking to people and finding out real deep, like, one of the things I'll just share. It's just to give you an example. Look, the level of information. Is that I didn't know that safe parking lots. Other people might have known this for sure, but it really works for people, especially who don't fit into the shelter situation because there are couples.

[38:08] Who just don't want to be separated or their families who don't want to be separated Or there are people who have pets and the pets is all they have in their life to hold on to right now and they just can't be separated from their pets. So, it serves a population that otherwise. I don't know. I just don't know what they do and and one of the biggest things they're finding out is that The percentages of people who move on into permanent housing from safe parking lots, is high, and it seems to be higher in the statistics. I've seen so far higher than shelters. And the biggest reason is because people can sleep at night because usually they're just moved from place to place the place and they can't sleep. And they don't. And they don't feel safe at night. Now they feel safe at night and because there's a place where they can wash up they have better options for getting jobs so

[39:08] So in in say parking lots, the ones that I've studied the majority of people do have jobs or are disabled and won't, won't ever ever in the near future be able to have jobs and so they expect a lot of people to move out of safe parking into actually market rate low end market rate but market rate housing because they can save money while they're working and sleeping. That's enough about that. That's just the level of detail so that four things were studying the most have been the dashboard, which is standard eats his particular interest and then and then Mason and I are looking at tiny homes safe parking and encampments and I think those are the

[40:00] The big four that we're looking at first. Yeah. Yeah, I would say definitely. Those are the big ones, but like it and at the same time. I'm just going to tack on something. As we have been doing this research and connecting with people across the country, like I got forwarded a piece out of Austin that's doing I'm Accessible storage for the house. So, as we know, one of the biggest issues. Some of our own house folks have is their personal possessions, and we see them with parts having all of their stuff. And so the city of Austin. Is giving them bins. Now, so they can put the personal stuff in and it's not left strewn out all over. And it doesn't become a Thing where they have to be moved from spot to spot. So that's an interesting pilot program that they're doing, and I went to my storage unit. The other day and I was talking to the manager of the property and something I found really interesting that I I never even thought of during all of this is she was telling me there's a run on storage units right now because so many people are in unstable situations.

[41:09] That they're packing all of their stuff into storage units because of fear of either eviction or losing their homes and I it was. I never even thought about that with individuals private belongings and also with storage unit. So I think we're getting ready to face a huge crisis and then the more information we find out as a advisory board. I think we're going to be very We're going to position ourselves to be very helpful to counsel when the time comes when they're ready to start making some decisions. To that I guess I'll say just one more thing I think of this as being a long standing community committee that could actually last

[42:03] Year's because it's going to take a long time to get through all these issues. I'll be, you know, I'm off the board in March. I'll be Long off the board but happy to help help to the committee if they want, because it's it's so interesting. But, but I think that's the sort of thing we should be looking at. We can maybe work on an issue or two at the At the time, as it emerges and bring it to to the housing board and then to HR see And again, I'm going to say it out loud, but Judy. I know how many hours you give every day to this, and personally I'm probably doing two or three hours every day in meetings or connecting with people and I can't I, you know, between your writing of reports and how much you've been doing. It's really been a blessing. And I've really appreciated working with you over the last couple of weeks while I've been having my own personal meltdown. So thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. I like I i appreciate all the work you do to

[43:00] Shock is laughing I'm Following up on that, and how much work judy is doing. I guess one of the questions I have, which I alluded to, I think, earlier with you. Mason was Our is this going to stay with in, in other words, there's a ton, as you said duty. There's an incredible amount of research I've started diving in specifically to encampments You know that are structure. And so there's a lot of. There's a lot of work and research to be done the dive is so deep, I think, to actually try to put something That kind of addresses the efforts that have been tried elsewhere. Matches those two boulders particular unique characteristics and then tries to derive something that could work at some scale, do we

[44:01] Are we leaving that basically in the the joint committees hands at this point, or is there consideration of Some of that work being parsed out to, let's say, just that I encampments committee or two people from our board or one from HR see and one from our board who would focus on those specific areas to help go deeper. Yeah, so I would say that in correct me if you think I'm wrong, Judy, but I've, I would probably say that I've been the most into encampments and in my reaching out locally. And what's tricky about this is that there's other people that are working actively on it right now. And that's what I mean about us. Not all stepping on each other's toes and being a part of the communication. So, There's parts of it that are interesting for us to just be Supportive of the roles that are already taking place like you know bridge house does their work. There's groups that are already And there's groups right now that are working on trying to structure that and seeing how to best position it within the city. So some of our role may be

[45:09] Watching how they form it and then seeing what are supportive role in advocacy for that is like if it fits within the city and is supportive of the goals within the city doesn't cost us money helps us clear up the bypass still provides dignity for Individuals, then we would come back to this group and say okay this is what's happening. Where do we stand with it. Do we feel like we want to support this. How can we support it. They're asking this of us, you know, so it'll be a lot of collaborating and the tricky part. And I think this is a great question for each modality or each little piece within this is There's a, there's not a ton for us to do right now, other than to let a few other people take the lead. While we

[46:01] Keep ourselves informed and support where we can. So part of what we're doing is also not getting in the way of some of the other faith based communities and initiatives that are also taking place. That answer your question jack like there is a lot of research. There is a lot to do at the same time. I can't speak for Stan with the dashboard. But, Judy, you got more updates from him on that. Like how is he feeling about that. Does he need more help in that area. How are you feeling about the tiny house community or do you feel like you need more help in that piece. Well, what you said strikes me is absolutely so that one of the surprises for Me is that there are groups of people already working on some of these issues already And they're not even as yet working in concert with each other yet because there's different groups bubbling up that we're just starting to find out about. So I think that

[47:01] It wouldn't be necessary for us to start a separate committee here although if everyone wants to I'm certainly not a post But I think one or the other of us not both of us together because that would be more than two people. At a time, but one or the other of us could refer you to people if you had a particular interest or if anyone has a particular interest to a group where you as an individual, could you know not representing half but just as an individual could really do some great work. That said, they are groups that don't necessarily look at us as allies either. So it's sensitive. Yeah. That was That was one of my things also is like with that outreach. I totally agree with you, like if there's work being done. We don't necessarily help forward that by coming up with our own Rental right So I'm totally down with that. But I think that's an important point, though, is that we are

[48:04] Kind of transparent to those groups and that they know that we're here and that we're supportive of the work that they're doing. And can we be you know how we can be helpful to them or you know help those concepts coalesce because eventually it's going to have to go through council. And and I don't know how many multiple groups. There are involved with it but but somehow it's going to be something that's going to get filtered through council saying, okay, we can do this type of thing. And that's ultimately how we came up with the announced pro Plan was that, as you know, even from the last election is that there was so many different individuals interested in doing things with great ideas. But we were all so focused on just our one element. So the hope that we're all talking about is that we take one step back. The focus a little bit And see where we can click this puzzle together in a way that uses all of our energy and resources to actually move the needle in a, in a way that successfully supports.

[49:02] All stakeholders holders city advocacy groups individuals needing help. So all of us together. And that's to me is like a win win all the way across the board is if everybody gets a say. Nobody's walking away with a total sweep in a win, but that and that we're putting together a framework that may help us buffer, a little bit from what's coming down the pipe. Well, I agree. Absolutely. I guess I just say, does anybody have any Questions. Might not have I do, I, I was wondering, do you guys have or have you considered putting together a repository for all of this data that you're gathering that could be easily viewed by or added to with permissions by your fellow board members.

[50:00] And have you structured in such a way that you are covering all the stakeholders. I heard all the stakeholders that Mason mentioned but i i am i think we also need to make sure we're including business owners and and The House people that actually live in housing. I think we need to make sure we're hearing all voices, so that we so that we are presenting a balanced view of of the community that That is certainly our attention. We haven't done enough hours in the day to have done that yet, but we're specifically trying to reach out To all groups, but again we have, we're just starting to do that. I mean, I've had maybe five zoom meetings. At the most on the topic we are also and I'm not real good at computers, but we do have some shared files and we can throw all the research we get into those files. I think if Mason will help me. Yeah what our goal, what our hope is, is that we, one of the things that we're trying to work out is figuring out how to

[51:06] compile it and such a way that other people from the outside can access and look at it without it feeling like when you're going through it, it creates more fear or advocate. Or energy when we just want to find a simple way to present it. Does that make sense. So yes, we are creating shared files. We haven't Made them public as of yet to anybody, or to you guys because we just haven't gotten to a point where we've got it in a format that we feel like is makes sense to anybody other than ourselves right now. But that will be there. And yes, I agree with you that there will be time for businesses and the House to definitely way in My guesses, is that we already know that city council and anything that would go through or be presented to city council and if they were going to move some stuff has a public processes as well. So it's going to have layers like

[52:07] Anything that comes through and also before we can do what you're talking about. We probably have to talk to Aaron PO our attorney, because there is that rule that we can't have More than two people on the board doing anything without it having to be politically noticed and all that. So I've already talked to her once about some of our Guidelines and boundaries but it probably would need us to talk to her again before we could see how sharing files with more than just the two of us. I know. I was thinking I sorry to interrupt you, Judy, but I was thinking of something more like a Google Doc, where you didn't notify the public that this document exists, and it's a repository that has structured in it where you're gathering Information about what's working and what's not working and the different stakeholder points of view.

[53:02] Not yet. In a, in a, in a way that maybe other have board members could give have been given permissions to make edits or additions in certain areas, but that the general public would not be allowed to make the additions and that way it could be very public but it But also visit, you know, visible to everybody and not subject tues you know and comply with the sunshine laws. Ah, if I could, it would if we go about it that way. And if we're if it's like this work and doc that we're all working off of Google Docs and Kind of open to the public, but not open to the public. And then how do you, how do you go about that. It gets very intricate with the Open Meetings Act and the which is the Sunshine Law that everybody calls it, it's called the meeting. Open Meetings Act and I would suggest, Judy. I liked your suggestion, I'd be more than happy to connect with our with you and just kind of talk about some parameters of what we can do and can't do, and we can kind of work through that. But we need to be very

[54:04] We need to be very conscientious about that just a matter of process and stuff. And it's not even. I mean, obviously we're doing this to present information to the public, but the process by which that information is generated Certainly has a lot of implications and we inadvertently ran into sunshine act concerns, it can it can affect how we can come about from our with our resolutions and stuff like that so It and also we're right now, Juliet, we're far far far from writing any documents ourselves. The only things we're writing our reports of the meetings that we have so that we can share it with each other and and And I'm not, they're not. I don't have the time to write them nicely enough to want to share them you know they're they're pretty crude and rough and so So we don't have anything for people to edit because unless you're at the meeting. No one could edit it and and

[55:06] Right now we're just getting different people are sending us research links, but we haven't evaluated them or anything. Yeah. I would also add that part of this is building trust, you know, a lot of these. A lot of the faith based communities and advocate groups that we're talking to Just don't trust the public process or our boards and commissions that we're actually going to do anything right now. And so a lot of our going into these meetings is just listening and saying, yep, I hear you. We're here. I see the work that you're doing, how can we help. Is there anything you want us to do. Do you even want us as allies right now. Should we be stepping back it's it's all, it's all of that and That takes some time. So it's not. And I think we know what the public process is when we get to that and start to present things for other individuals to see and give feedback in

[56:11] I'm sure Jay has lots of experience and can offer us many bits of advice on how to handle a public process when we start to get to that point. And it will compile some of this and put it into because we'll be presenting to you guys will be presenting this information that we've collected so that the Community will see it. Um, I have You know, and this is tying into what Danny's talking about I'm curious, Judy and Danny. If you talk to Aaron, if you can check in on that layer that is because I also see the concern if this is any type of a working document. But what would be interesting to me and maybe this is what Juliet was also getting to, to a certain degree is like you said, if there are just links to articles just essentially a repository of any of the information and data that you guys find that we could look at

[57:16] And potentially a repository. Well, maybe it would be better if we did something like that that we would just send something that we found. That wasn't in that already in that repository. We could just send it to you to then upload into it and include that way. There's no engagement, but it would it be great, you know, because there's a ton out there. Yeah, feel free to send us stuff. Yeah, yeah, I'll do what I find, for sure, but I have also limited, you know, I'm not spending that many hours right now researching I've been doing some so it'd be great to have some kind of a library, in a sense, where be easier to go in and pick up a bunch of stuff that you guys have already looked at and we can just look at it review it. So,

[58:01] Just in the short term, you know, not expecting anything like presented from you. But just to have access to some of the info or the report to the data of what's happening in other cities outcomes that sort of thing. That's what I was getting at jack. Thank you. Jay, so Um, one potential simple solution is that if you send these resources to staff. We can compile them and put them on the have website and that would be a fairly simple way to go. It doesn't it, we probably don't have the capability to provide sort of group editing of documents. But as a first step, that would be certainly doable. Right. Any objections to that. No, I love that. Record. How often, how often do you feel Judy and Mason that do you do you have have like an update, like a surge of information that you add to your

[59:05] Your, your existing repository, whatever that exists for you. Just getting at Jay's point about updating this because I I assume you're gathering information every day. Yeah, we're we're collecting information every day. And honestly, I'm I don't wanna speak for duty but A lot of those conversations. I'm not prepared to share at all in any form, until they're ready to say yes, please share But the collecting of links and stuff, but you can forward on links all day long and if Anybody has more links to share just like I do, when ever I run across a really good story. I share it with all of you on have. And I'm like, oh, that's really informative. I'm not sure if they get read or not, but we can just NJ, I share those with you. So if you want to tag them and link them somehow into some type of a Google Doc. So the community members can see what's happening around the country. That's awesome.

[60:05] Yeah, and I would. I would. I just want to follow me. So I think for sure that's not Yeah, I think you're right. That's not a place where we're looking for, like, detailing of any kind of conversations or engagements in that way. I'm just looking for like raw data info from public sources. Yeah. Yeah, don't, don't be expecting links every day, but it's not. There's not that many. We get sometimes we get three or four from a particular person we talked to and then maybe not for four or five days after that, whatever. Course like Yeah, I also don't want this, this kind of transfer of information to hinder your process Mason and Judy. Like, I know you have a process, and I don't want this to create excess work for you as well.

[61:03] Jay suggestion works really, really well for that. And for everyone to know we're not evaluating this. We're not saying I agree with this research or not, we're just Presenting presenting To us, it's we review it and Half the time they're either put out by other city governments or press, you know, press is putting it out or sometimes research docs are putting it out, but yeah. I think that'd be great if we could just do that through Through Jay and if, if, if you think that's okay. Jay, I think that'd be awesome. Any other questions on that you guys It's not really exciting right now. We're still figuring out process and not collecting organize

[62:09] One question I have is if if other individual council members have connections and have like leads that might be helpful for your process. I guess it would just be between have member and one of you. So wouldn't, we wouldn't be breaching any of those like sunshine laws. So I guess we could just introduce you over email or whatever. To like clear up the process so that you can have direct contact with whomever we know, would that be helpful for you. Yeah, we've had a couple of really good introductions with some council members down in Denver and some California and some council members up in Washington. So yeah, we're that's kind of a cool part of connecting with everybody is seeing who's doing what works, what work.

[63:04] In what areas and what are they running up against what's flowing really well. Um, and those are been those have definitely been some but yeah absolutely connect us with everybody, so that we can compile it. Great. Are there any other questions for Mason Judy at this time. High level or details. No. Okay. Um, before we move on. One thing that I was reading about and I'm actually not sure the status of this project, but there is a pot tiny home pilot project in Denver. And I'm not sure how that's going, but it is as opposed to, you know, I know that the the city council doesn't want to consider projects at this time that have a fiscal note but

[64:10] This project in Denver does is a pretty sponsored project and that just might be interesting to look at. It's, it's right, you know, down the road, it's It just might be interesting to as a precedent that Are you talking about It's a 4400 pearls North procedure for Pearl Street in Denver and North Pole Pearl Street. I'm not sure what the name of this project is I need to read reread this the information that I gathered, I'll just send it to you. Yeah. Just something to consider. Cool. Thank you. Well, we can move on to the next item which is future potential future listening sessions. If unless anyone has anything else that they want to add to the discussion of the drink committee.

[65:01] Cool, cool, cool. And your dog has joined us Mason. Great. So we wanted to bring this to the attention of the board. Because as Judy mentioned the listening sessions have been very successful in the past, and it might be, it might be an opportunity to enhance the substance of our just our knowledge and our the work that we do moving forward. And I emailed I emailed the board with just some ideas about a potential listening sessions with renters and individuals. Experiencing or around eviction potentially leaders in the community who have dealt with. Helps with helps individuals who are experiencing eviction and so I wanted, I wanted to bring it up and kind of gauge the temperature of the board on that this year and what the what everyone's thinking with regards to timing and

[66:08] Everyone's priorities and how we want to spend our time. So I just want to kind of open up and I've, I've had some email exchanges with some of you about this, but I just wanted to open up for discussion and see if there's anything further Yeah. Yeah. I'm So curious if we want to talk about the listening sessions right now or do I mean, I guess what we're doing and maybe Jay can also chime in a little bit. Is that what we're essentially talking about is our work plan for the latter part of this year and we know that we need to get the city council letter together. So that's definitely going to be one. Um, Any other things that we have on our plate. So we've got the letter. We've got potentially a listening session, we know we'll have something coming up from our committee at each one of us the next

[67:13] Our next series of meetings. What else am I. Are we missing so that we can make sure that if we say we want a listening session that we're framing it in a work plan look a scope. Well, I think. I mean, again, looking into the year and how much we have left, as you said, Mason, we've got we've got to get a letter put together to counsel. We know that that takes some time. I think that Charlotte's interest in evictions, I think we were going to do some form of that. That seems to me to be something that Would actually be really interesting and enlightening to kind of get a real time sense of

[68:01] You know what's happening in that realm. I saw some back and forth with Kurt I think on hotline or somewhere about what the actual numbers were and how it was, you know, comparing to historic trends and that sort of thing. But I think it'd be great to maybe get that and then get some input, just from from the public on what they're feeling from that and Get a sense of, you know, try to get some information on what we think that might look like, you know, like, hopefully best case scenario, it stays with its historic trends. But what's the potential worst case scenario. And what are we seeing and hearing and Because I think that will help to inform also kind of the The level of effort that we see is necessary, you know, in next year and work plan as well. Seeing because that's That's probably not rolling out until next year. Right next year is what will be like, Okay, there's a bunch of people without a place to live.

[69:00] I mean evictions are definitely going to inform The work plan in a big way. So it might be nice to have the listening session to really have collect some information around that and then look at our process of do we just want to submit the collection. Do we want to put together a recommendation based on it. Yeah, and I think it would be interesting to do something that was similar to the last one. There was informational both for the public. And for us. As well as collecting the input. So we're both getting information any input wrapped into it. To kind of jump in specific to that topic. So it's the last meeting. Remember I talked about how council had an update. I thought it was August 4 amendment august 11. I don't know. It's all a blur. But anyway, provide a staff provided a pretty comprehensive overview of the situation around evictions and foreclosures. Did anyone have a chance to watch that.

[70:06] Or did I would recommend it. And counselors, our staff to return September 15 so we'll be doing it basically again. So with updated numbers. But yeah i mean it's it's fairly timely, but I would say Council is really focused on it at this time. And, but, you know, the landscape is constantly shifting. So who knows what's going to happen, you know, in the next couple months, but I just want you to be aware that there is a lot going on in that topic. Jay, what day. What was the date of that meeting again. Let me find I find the link and send it to everybody for the one that already opted For the next update is going to be September 15 And j is it also something that is a presentation that we can get or is it just the presentation. The council that will watch

[71:09] I mean, we could do it again. The same stuff. I wasn't doing it again. I'm Just suggesting. Was there like a PowerPoint presentation. Type doctors to get to us. You know, and that with to make sure because I know a zoom. We don't always get to see it right Yeah. You said, but I, yeah, I can, I can definitely get a hold of it and send it to you. Yep. And Danny you've had your hand up 42 times and I've been so plate. So James, do you think, um, anything we could do would be productive as far as that goes, just from your insight or not or, you know, And and if you don't want to answer, feel free. Not good. I would say just not at This immediate time I mean, we're all kind of just waiting and seeing what happens. Right. So there was a prediction back in when the pandemic started that there was going to be this huge rush of massive foreclosures evictions

[72:11] We got a lot of federal stimulus. A lot of programs and, you know, executive orders from the governor federal protections for foreclosure. A lot of that is expired. So we thought that once that those things expired that there would be that. Yeah, we must be hating the cliff. Now, But in and we were having every two weeks we're having conversations with a group You know that involves all the service providers at the county nonprofits, people who are tracking this issue FM particular, what are they seeing in terms of the additional caseload. And sort of this cliff still hasn't arrived yet. It doesn't mean it's not going to So I you know that's that's the challenge, right. So we could have a listening session, but

[73:03] It's all. It's all in your time. Are there any work on the city council's workload about housing any topics coming up that we should know about. Um, you know, we, the manufactured housing strategy, the ordinance goes September 1 but I think you guys decided to pass on that based on other priorities. I would say the East boulder so community plan has a big housing focus, which you guys might be interested in. Just in terms of, you know, how do you Sort of allow sort of this gentle residential infill in industrial area without Creating too much. Havoc I'm sorry. Please continue. Sorry, sorry. Um, so that's, I mean, there's still, I can't tell you exactly where they are, but that's something that it's a future work item.

[74:08] Or could be in a future agenda item for have Fun be heard boulder right now to Yeah. There is a survey up on be heard builder calm, so You can go there and fill out and forward it on to anybody who's interested in leaseholder plan. Right, so we can always ask, you know, the staff, if they would come to have when when they do their next check in with counsel. Here, do you know they come into the planning board anytime soon. Not sure I'm not sure. That's right. I'll find out and let you know we can put it on the work plan as a potential item you guys, you can decide closer to the time I also want to mention that last time we discussed this many, many months ago and the topic that seemed to be of most interest at the time was renters because we felt that they had been overlooked in in our approaches, even so far, and they're 50% of the housing in Boulder and

[75:12] So I just wanted I don't have a dog in the race. I'm just putting it putting it out there again. Yeah, so maybe it's a combo of evictions and renters and The listening session. I think we could also include individuals that what was it, 32% mortgages were missed mortgage payments were missed in the last month, but their circumstances are a little different because they can also then isn't Wasn't there an opportunity for people to do one year of What's the word I'm looking for when you get to Know a Benz through March. End of March, I think, is when it's all going to come do

[76:01] So it seems like the topic of housing and security might Might be a bit a bit of a broader Umbrella to capture these different groups because it's not just. It's not just, you know, middle to low income folks who are feeling pains right now. I was talking to Terry, a while ago we were talking about how It's also people who have homes and you know are struggling to pay their mortgage, you know, middle income. It's people who are doing well and are having trouble paying their mortgage so I I'm interested in exploring this it seems like we do have some time with these three things that you listed Mason, the letter to Council each each meeting will get an update from this joint committee and

[77:00] You know, things will continue to come up, but There might be an opportunity here. Maybe Toward November and know maybe maybe November. November, December we don't have a meeting. I think we, I'm not sure we've actually voted on that. I think that's something Yeah, that's a good point to usually in the beginning of the year when everybody gets seated, we look at the schedule and go over the entire schedule to make sure nothing falls on a holiday. And move anything that does or potentially take time off. If we didn't have anything we wanted to do, Danny. Well, so last year, we did have a meeting in November. We did not in December. I remember November, we're at that little that little room. And it's a basketball. So You know, I have to say, Charlotte. I'm really interested in housing insecurity without putting a brand on renters or mortgage people because

[78:01] Interestingly enough, as a hair stylist and somebody who sees people individually without a lot of other hairstyles in a space. I'm having people who own multiple own multiple homes, they have their own and then rental properties, who are really starting to express the fact that they are freaking out and that some of this is Kind of top down and myself included. I'm, I'm in an unstable situation and it's scary. And I think it's important It'd be interesting as the advisory board to lend air time for that to lend a space for our community members to come and share what their concerns are that are really happening around this to see if there's anything. Maybe some subjects that we coalesce around I'll throw in one thing listening sessions require tons of publicity and Adam and I in the past had done the publicity for these and he's gone and

[79:09] And I, I just have to step away from it consists committees just taking too much time and I'm happy to work with them, who's ever doing it to tell them everything that we've done the past I'll do it. Oh, great. Okay. And, and it can have two people. So somebody else would do it with you. You would be happy to have somebody Want to do it with me as a race. With this Um, I, I need to step out, but I just wanted to say that I think if we're going to have this you know on on The just the notion of house against security, I think, November probably be a really good time to do it. I would say that that gives us enough time to kind of Let things shake and to really kind of wrestle with where things are, and stuff like that. And I think it could be a good opportunity to end the year on that. Um, so I'd be totally supportive of that.

[80:07] weren't happy to help. I do have to roll. So I'm just gonna Thanks, Danny. Anybody Hey, thank you. Buddy. Awesome so duty. I'm if you could kind of mentor me on that for Yes, they are. Great, great. You know, this brings up a good point, though, when we Cory. Do you remember way back in the Leonard may days and we were talking about Organizing Process for things So this would be a great document, Judy, like when you train Charlotte. I had to do this, we should have a PR docs that says, These are the areas we hit this is what this looks like. So that is the torch gets handed as things travel through and I don't know if we Those are not notes that I kept

[81:01] Sort of heading off the torch. We only keep information that's relevant to your roles. On the board. Nothing with transitioning roles. I think we do have a little bit of information that we share in terms of You know the chairs responsibility when it comes to Robert's Rules and how to sort of get through a meeting, but that's really it. Not none of the detailed stuff, especially from back in the very beginning when Leonard was chair. So I didn't keep anything. So, I'm sorry. I do think Sarah Huntley were maybe with Adam and me and we have some little document there. But when I talk to you about it. Scarlet. Your nose turned out to be the document. Oh I unhappy to create like a formal Guide to outreach, which it can be a dynamic document can be added to down the road but yeah and that's, that's great.

[82:02] And one of the wrinkle. It's the fourth Wednesday in November is the day before Thanksgiving. So we may need to look for a different constable. Great. So are we able to move our meeting. Is that, is that allowed As long as it works for everybody because most right around that holiday traveler have other things going on or school or kids. Like, exactly. It's not the best time to have a meeting. General so I'm wondering Yeah. Talking about housing insecurity. And I'm just fast forwarding to the listening session and visioning a sitting there and obviously the zoom component is going to complicate things and having a lot of people dial in and basically say, I lost my job I benefits are running out. I can't find another job or I'm getting a pay cut on the freedom of lose my job.

[83:04] And therefore that trickles down to not being able to pay rent or mortgage and and I'm insecure. I don't feel good about it. I don't know what's going to happen from them on and that's terrible. But my question is, we hear that they do over again likely over and over What is the boulder housing advisory board, can we do about that, that like, if our if our goal is to create a venue. For people to express their fears or express their concerns. We can certainly do that. And we can pass that along to counsel or whomever but I'm just wondering, is there anything we can do, is there anything within our power. I mean, this is a topic that obviously is national, international and the governor is put eviction moratoriums out there. Some of them are expiring I don't know. I'm just, I'm just, I think it's a it's an interesting topic. And I know it's it's a big deal right in our could be a bigger deal coming up because

[84:04] Reality is Jason is that this big wave of foreclosures evictions that we thought it was going to happen to April, May, June, July, really hasn't yet and I put the word yet in there because it may still happen. We don't know, but it hasn't really happened yet. Major mouse. So I don't know. I'm just trying to Get it sounds like there's some momentum that listening session housing insecurity and pencil November, and I'm not saying no to that. I'm just saying what again if the if the venue. If the goal is to have a venue to collect people vent. And that's fine. That's all we want to do. I just don't know what we can do, like, okay, let's let's talk Council to put a moratorium on evictions, okay, that was kind of out there. It's been out there you know I'm saying Able to be productive.

[85:00] You got jack Um, Yeah, Terry, I entirely hear you. I Think that You know my kind of feeling on this also is That, like you said, I think. The level of what we can do, you know, we may not be playing on that court right as the housing advisory board boulder. However, Big though the other perspective on it is essentially to give people a platform. That's great. Yeah, to just express their concerns and maybe that's as far as we're going well and that was the informational piece that I was talking about. Also, people can hear or listen in, and understand at that point in time. What are the, you know, State level federal level pieces that are in play and it might just might just help people become

[86:02] Educated have a little better understanding of what there is going forward. And maybe that's the role. We're playing in that space is just helping boulder residents understand what their options might be if you know they do get or you know evicted or what's happening out there so Yeah, I don't know. Much yeah I don't know there's there's much we would do, but it might serve that purpose. And if that's the goal. I'm all for it. And I think it's worthy just You know, and if that's you understand where I'm coming from. Yeah, let's try to solve the problem and and i don't know that this is like you said, this is three steps above us or 30 steps about us. Right, well, you know, and I think one piece that I know. I mean, Mason's mentioned, she's feeling. I mean, I feel it. Also, it's like everybody's built whatever they built her in whatever position they are. And there's a certain sense of teetering Yep, regardless of where you are right. Yeah, the developer takes a deep breath, so

[87:01] In some ways, also, and this would be my hope if we did take this on as a listening session is that in some ways, we are. It's also just a community sharing Of that sense of uncertainty and recognizing that you know we're not alone in it and people of all stripes are in feeling it in some way, shape, or form and and that you know I from my community soul that seems like something that may be valuable. And I agree with you jack. I don't think that's bad at all. I just going in knowing that that's kind of a gold, and I think it's a It's just a mindset. Yeah, I mean it's, I love what you said a level of expectation And I agree that it's important to know what our goal is going into that. Yeah, just that reason. Yeah. I think also to some of the things that we've done with hard listening sessions in the past is when we did the publicity. We asked people to bring ideas and suggestions, so that it's not just

[88:04] A dumping session for those who want to share. Absolutely. And then we may find some things we didn't think about that might come forward in a in an idea. So in the public publicity. We could ask for people to bring forward ideas anything they'd like to share And try and keep it. This is where facilitation becomes extremely important is to make sure that we manage the process facilitate the process so that people focus on um Yes, this is scary. Yes. Um, It's an unknown. We definitely had some shared Experiences going on here. And now what are some suggestions or what some things that we can do to help each other through this. Maybe it's a way of building a community net together that makes people feel a little bit more secure and together.

[89:00] Maybe it's just being in a room full of knowing that I'm not the only one out there. Featuring I think it's Terry's question is a really, really good one. And I do think that in the publicity. Expectations can be managed. I mean, the publicity can be as Kathy was saying. We don't have the capacity to fix it, but we'd like you to feel not alone. And maybe people have some good ideas that sort of thing. And and focus the publicity that way so people aren't thinking they're going to get an answer, because we may not have Thank. Thank you, Terry. Do you have anything else. I also want to bring Juliet and see if she is excited and honored to be on scheduling on, make sure that you're hurting Well, I just wanted to lay out what I think expectations will be on your show. I think we were on the same page as to what will come with it if we do it.

[90:03] Great. Yeah, I think that The Terry your sentiments echoed mine in the communication. I sent back to Charlotte and thank you for soliciting I assume he solicited each of us individually on what we thought of this And my note to Charlotte was that, you know, we should be very clear about what our objective is of these listening sessions. What is the ultimate goal. And that, I think if if it's just to listen, we should make sure we're getting a wide range of constituents. So, you know, Terry's a good example he he's in real estate he feels like he's teetering he's on the other end of the spectrum as a as a Landowner and Someone who provides housing for renters and those renters are feeling unsteady. So there's a whole spectrum of not put you on the spot, Terry. But there's a whole spectrum. I think Out there and i and i gave Charlotte, the example of the listening session that I thought was effective in terms of enlightening, the community and and it was very well crafted and facilitated. I think it was Adam, that might have facilitated it on the the affordable and Judy.

[91:20] Judy help planet the affordable housing. listening session that we had. And it was people didn't wear it was made clear that, hey, we're an advisory board. So we don't have any power to change policy. But we do have a power to listen to the community. That's part of what we do and we can we can make recommendations based on what we hear and what we research. Be that it it needed to be civil and it needed to be not just a venting session, but rather a place where people could explain what was going on and also Like you said, come up with some ideas and and also hearing a variety of opinions or not opinions but perspective. So something you know that struck me is, we had

[92:09] A woman by the name of vow, who was a tenant of Scott Hilton's at element properties and the two of them were there and they knew each other quite well and Scott informed us about And I may not have all the numbers right because I'm going off the top of my head, but in order to get an affordable project done he had to personally guarantee a $20 million Mon. And so a provider of affordable housing went above and beyond and personally mean basically his house was on the line, his whole livelihood was on the line so that he could Make this affordable project happen. And I think that it certainly struck me, and I had no idea that someone would have to do that in order to make a project like that happen. Seeing the two he and Val have such a really good relationship. And then also understanding both sides of the equation was really helpful and

[93:04] I think maybe it was value in it pointed out, or maybe it was Scott that pointed out, he, he had been Allowed to entitled to increase rents by 10% per HUD guidelines, but he only increase them 3% over a certain period of time. And I thought that was enlightening and showed a lot of humanity and it showed the Sometimes landlords can get characterizes the big bad landlord. But I think it showed a lot of humanity on both sides of it and it was enlightening for the community to hear that. So I would suggest that very long winded comment. In the balance is important, understanding what our goal is, and also positioning what our role is in the community in terms of gathering feedback and and listening to folks and what we do with that information. JULIET That is a really important point and picking the particular one, you did about the Affordable housing experience is a perfect example.

[94:02] Because Charlotte and Danny can do outreach to places like bar hot or have you sat there realtor boulder area realty group as well as boulder Housing Partners, so you can get both sides of the spectrum. And so that's That diverse group didn't end up there, just by coincidence. They were really pursued and that's what Charlotte and Daniel be able to do. So that was a really good point. You brought up. Yeah, that was those great i i really appreciate everyone's comments about this and I'm I'm real to hear that there is some energy around doing this and being intentional about the type of of listening session that we want to have And bringing in as you said to get a broad spectrum of individuals, not just renters but homeowners landlords individuals on who are experiencing this experiencing this from all different perspectives, so

[95:05] Jay, is now a time to establish Well, I guess we have to read to do this. And then, is this the meeting where we would decide when this is going to happen or, I guess, logistically, I'm just wondering what to do now. Or what do you What do you suggest just Um, yeah, I mean, I would suggest picking the November date earlier rather than later. Just so it's on people's calendars and it's easier to plan around it. So, I mean, I think. Typically, what we've done is just moved it up a week. Calendars right now. So are we talking About evolution. Yeah. Do I need to bring a motion to the table to do to to I'm new to Robert's Rules, kind of, so forgive me. As long as you guys agree.

[96:01] Have to go through the formality. Okay, but, um, do we want to do it in November versus October there a reason why we'd want to consider November versus October. He. What about timing and crap. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, he Two months is good fit. So, this being august either October or November. You know, are we Are we, are we determining not going to have a meeting in December or not meeting in November and December. We have one in November. Right. Right. Okay. So there wasn't there was not one in December of last year. Or no Not in December. Okay. This is news to me so So you know what what I would just like to have everyone consider is that we first decide right now if we want to have it.

[97:01] And then go on to matters from staff because the second point is the debrief and calendar check and I asked, we can pick the date for it and decide if we want to meet December, not Thank you. Yeah. So I guess I'd like to bring emotion to to to have a listening session in either October or November and How do we feel about Broadly, the topic of housing and security as kind of an encompassing the semantics of like top subject for this session. Okay. Okay, great. Fantastic. Great.

[98:01] So I think we can move on then, and come back to the calendar to discuss the logistics of this listening session after we hear from staff. So I will turn it over to Jenny. The only item that I had for you guys had to do with addiction. But Whoever's planning it I would strongly suggest reviewing the Council video that I'll send you guys later because it will give you a really good sense of There are a lot of resources out there and not everybody is aware of them. And so I you know the other piece that I would just add on is, you know, we have been Trying to figure out what's the best way to get the word out to make sure that people know that there's $20 million in charismatic funding that's being funneled through the state that renters and landlords can apply for it right now.

[99:01] You know, not everybody knows that they can contact FM for assistance with utilities or rent. So there's all sorts of programs and resources that are out there and we're trying. We're doing our best to try to figure out how to get the word out. So anyway, that so I think this could fit well with that. Anyway, don't give you a good sense of what staff can bring to that discussion. That's it. Unless there's anything else. Jay, how is How has staff and you know the city, more broadly, got the word out in the past. Like, how have you done that in the past like to To make sure the community is aware, I know that is very well informed and Traits very thorough, but Yeah. So the main ways through the county as a housing helpline. And what we've tried to do is funnel everybody who is looking for assistance to the county and they can assess their situation and determine how best to direct their direct resources to them or direct them to resources.

[100:15] I would say just working with our partners in terms of, you know, bar has been great. In terms of getting word out to their Their members who are all landlords property owners and understanding what resources are available and and really encouraging thing people to You know, have discussions early on if they're having difficulty making rent payments. Mediation is is is has been big there's been a huge uptick in mediation as part of the presentation will see as well that the city has provided and we've expanded county wide as well. And then we just learned that the county is devoting resources in

[101:06] eviction court so that there can be mediation before our as cases come up and as filings occur. Anyway. There's just, there's a lot going on. We're also looking at how do we send. Can we send to everybody who has a rental license sort of the resource list. So that's sort of the thing that we were talking about today. Jay, it could. Is there any outreach at the Flint family learning center or the Latino chamber. Um, Yeah, I believe so. I don't know exactly. I'm not involved in all of the outreach. BUT TRADITIONALLY, I mean that these services have been around for years. It's nothing particularly new. It's just making sure that people who may not have needed services in the past. Right. That's what I was just gonna say is that there are. This is a discussion. I've been having with some friends recently is that there are so many people right now.

[102:06] That are facing circumstances. They've never faced before in their life and have absolutely no idea Where to go or who to even talk to or even know that there's such a thing as EPA and so I think sometimes hitting some of our very general social media channels and having them put out in general ways as well. Helps resource. Some of these individuals that have never accessed anything Thank you, Jay. Sure. So I guess we can move on. Unless there's any other questions for Jay to Look at the calendar. debrief.

[103:02] So, Can we have a meeting in December, or is that not. Do we, do we have to have a month off or I'm okay, great. I don't think we should have month off. I don't know, people are feeling right that we've already had so many. Yes. Just for your to see, you know, the discussion. The reason why December was cancelled was due to a lack of agenda items. And personally, the holidays as well. So yeah, I know. I think that's the first time you guys have taken December. And I think it was it ran down to not having any agenda items and, you know, I'm kind of with you, Charlotte, I, I think, like, we took, what, how many months off because of covert in the beginning of this and I would go to continued as long as it's not rate between like Christmas Eve and New Year's.

[104:04] Yeah. So I want to make sure that if we move any meetings that it works for folks because I'm also looking at the calendar in November, and when the 26th is, well, I guess, Adobe the 20 Do we meet the third, you know, the fourth Wednesday of every month. I'm sorry. Is that right Yeah, so that's the day before Thanksgiving, and I know folks are traveling so I want to Can we look at moving the meeting one week earlier to the 18th Possibly I guess question is for Corey and Jay to Yeah. Like Traditionally, what you guys have done. You just did up a week. Wednesdays and third

[105:01] Okay. I could work. I mean more, you know, your schedules. Yeah. Does anybody have problems with that. If they're looking at calendars. We're moving it from when the, when The 25th to the 18th of November. And then, and then the 23rd to the 16th of December. Yeah, good. When I will And Jane Orie, that works for you to move meeting. In China, would you mind sending out an email of that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'll send this to the entire board just to confirm that that works. So Corey can send meeting invites with the new dates and will update the website as well. So I'm good curry.

[106:04] Yep. Do we have Do we have September in the calendar. Yeah. We do. And October. It's just, November, December we usually have to move those around due to the meetings. I'm checking the schedule. I just want to make sure there's no conflict. So far the teeth looks good in November. December. 16. Is that right, Yes. Okay. Let me see. What's to be fine. Letter. I'm sorry. What's the date that we have to set submit our letter to counsel. I think it changes every year. But basically, I would say you want to have it done by December your December meeting. In December meeting should be final approval, guys, so

[107:00] We might wrap this up and say that in September, everybody. What we did was did we do a straw poll, guys. Didn't we say like everybody bring three things and we put them all up on the board and then we kind of whittle down and whittle down until we decided on. What we felt like we should recommend to counsel for and then two people will want to form to draft the letter so we can choose in September. Who wants to draft the letter and two items. That St. That seems like very reasonable deliverables. And then that way by October will have a draft. And if we need changes or anything significant and have it completed by November for final approval. Yeah. I like that me some Does everyone agree that that's The timeline make sense.

[108:02] OK. And now I guess we wanted to decide what month what what month. Do we want to have this listening session, Judy. Sounds like either October or November would give, give me and Danny enough time to do sorry outreach. Yeah, I'm, I'm curious to hear what people have to say. I could kind of go either way. Better probably got an Extra months to put it together can't have anything Yeah, so I'm Carrie. We're going to have all my favorite distracted with the elections to If we did it at the end of October so Ah, yeah. I didn't come in. With the school, get out for great on Thanksgiving. Well that hit our

[109:01] 18th date. I think the 20th of November is the last day of class. So we'll be okay we've because we moved it to the Move the meeting to the 18th so Maybe November's better Considering elections. I feel like I mean just going back and forth my head, but I feel like November might be better just because things will be developed. Further So you know i mean i i'm back and forth the one part says well in October, getting information out to people sooner, depending if things go to You know, turn into a real mess. Yeah, so I don't know but I could go either way, but I think I'm leaning towards November. It seems like there's a

[110:02] There's a small consensus around November, and I, I would I would second that too, I think. I think that'll also just give us more time to to bring in a larger a larger group of voices. And yeah, just give us more planning time so Okay. Great. So do I need to do just just someone need to make a motion to approve that or Do we need to formalize this I mean, I'll make a motion that we Have Conducted listening session on our November meeting on the topic of housing insecurity. I second. Any opposed to this. Okay.

[111:01] I have a quick question for Corey. There are some things we didn't vote on that, that we decided on. Will they be in the minutes are only the things that we actually voted on in a minute. Now they'll be I think they'll be in the minute I hope I captured everything is always I'll send this information out to you guys after Jay and I review it. You know, this week. And then you guys could provide feedback, anything we missed you can, you know, I'll add it back in. So it'll be captured. If I did. You know, didn't capture something that you guys think should be in there, just let me know. But you'll have a chance to review these before we finalize them well. Remember it's action. So it's a summary of all the actions that the board takes predominantly so Okay. That's great. I have nothing else here. Is there any. Anything else before. I mean, we're only eight o'clock. We have another hour

[112:04] Is there anything else that folks want to discuss before during this meeting really early. Good first meeting Charlotte. Charlotte, great job. Great job. Well done. Seventh grade math curriculum. What is What is that entail the same Event shortly could do it based on what I saw today. My god. Who's running is Not elected board chair. That's awesome. Great job. Thanks. What's that like fractions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Welcome. It runs the gamut. There's little geometry fractions ratios proportions. I don't envy you I'm Okay, well,

[113:01] Judy Gemini thing. Thank you. No, thank you. I'm, I'm happy if we get in our Way, there's gonna be some meeting coming up when we get done an hour late, so we'll just remember This Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It means you were efficient Charlotte, so that's A great Good. Well, if there's nothing else, then I'll bring forth a motion to adjourn this meeting. So move or second or whatever I need To do. For me, Great. Thank you, everybody. Thank you for that. Thank you. Good to see you. Thank you guys. Okay. See you guys next month. Sorry. Guys. I'm going to end the meeting now. The recording stopping By