March 15, 2023 — Boulder Junction Access District Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:01] Okay, I have begun recording. It is for outside welcome to the Boulder Junction as access district conditions. meeting tedium and parking. It is Tuesday, March fifteenth, 2023, and I will call roll Susan Prayer alright. Sorry here. and for shriver think we're waiting on Jennifer. She did say she was going to attend Rebecca do Michelle. I'm. Here Brian Cook. Hi, there! Present Kevin Nap. President and Robin present. and I will turn the meeting over to our share for procedural items.

[1:01] Okay, thanks, Lisa. We have the approval of the January eighteenth minutes motion to approve. Do we need to wait for Jennifer to vote on that we do not need to wait for B. Jet parking to approve, so that would be reflected in the next minutes that it was approved by that commission. We usually just do the one vote. So you're saying we should. We should still vote. But you'll just record that it was on the approved for one correct. Okay. Sorry, Robin. I think you had seconded. I I was in a second. Yes. okay. We have a motion by soon. Second by Robin. Anybody opposed. Okay, all in favor minutes approved.

[2:10] So my agenda here. Okay, public participation. Do we have any members of the public present and all the folks you see in the meeting are staff. Okay. Thanks, Chris. Consent agenda. Is there any items that anybody would like to discuss further from the packet? It looks like on the consult agenda. There was the signage thing, and there were proposals to February 20, eighth. So do we have an update on that from stuff we do have both Teresa Pinkle and Lane land with on the call. They're still working through selection, I believe, but there might be a a brief update in addition to what was shared in the consent agenda, we do not have an agenda item or presentation specifically for the Commission day. We have a pretty full agenda of other topics.

[3:02] Okay, thank you. And just privately I can add that we are doing an interview tomorrow with one of the top candidates for that project. So we'll have more information, surely fantastic. There's nothing else on the Consent agenda. We will hand it over for our first staff item, which is fun financials. This is also on for consent. There was a fun financial year to date statement, as promised at our previous commission meeting, but if there are no questions on current fund financials. We can move into that or from staff hearing none. Yeah, Kristen, take it away. Starting with our TV, it looks like

[4:01] great. Thank you, Mr. Chair. We do have a number of representations from our Td. And their consultant team here to present to you all on the Northwest rail, peak service study, and the Polarization Service update. Not sure who i'm handing it over to. But it looks like Patrick. and we can't hear you at the moment. If you don't mind, there we go. Sorry I didn't unmute. I'll take it. Yeah, so so is it. I know we set a Powerpoint slide deck earlier. Is it better for me to just share my screen? That would be preferred? Thank you. No worries. See if this more with teams person to be honest with you. You have to let let me know if you can see that. Okay. or maybe it's not working. Not yet. Now we can see it. Yep. not great. Well, thank you very much. My name is Patrick Stanley. I'm the project manager for the Northwest Rail peak service study.

[5:07] and we jump right today with me. We've got Rick Pilgrim, who is the the project manager for the Hdr Consultant team that's working with us. They're doing a fantastic job and appreciate all their work. And this, Alex. Any more delay. Let me jump into it. Sorry i'm trying to move some stuff around on my screen here. Sorry about that. All right. Yeah. We're here today to give a a update on where we are, what we've done. Some feedback we've gotten from the recent open house meetings and let me jump into what kind of start at a at a high level. On second. there we go. Okay, so certainly at a high level. What is North West? Real many? I'm sure many of the people on this on this call, I know, for I know for a fact that a couple on this call are very familiar with what we're doing here. But Northwest Rail was part of the 2,004 fast tracks program that was approved by voters of the State.

[6:10] It's a 42 mile rail line that runs from Denver Union Station, to Vermont. proposed rail line. It runs from Gamer's even station to to Laurmont. 6 miles of that was completed in as part of the Eagle project in 2,016 that runs from the Us. To the existing Westminster Station, their 70 s role. and then the the additional 35 miles. We'll run on v nsf tracks between that existing Westminster station and long line. So this is. This is something new for Rtd. We we haven't really run on a freight track so far in our system. So this is a little bit unique. Right now we are evaluating a peak service concept. and we'll get into more details of what that, what that means here in a second.

[7:00] So a little bit about the history like I said it was. It was a part of fast tracks. It was approved in 2,004. We did the environmental evaluation in 2,010. The environmental evaluation considered a full service. 55 trips a day. full double tracking of the entire corridor and 11 new stations due to funding constraints weren't able to implement it at that time. So we we went to the the Northwest rail Northwest area mobility study 2,013, 2,014, in which, where we look to work with our partners and and local transportation stakeholders for kind of near term mobility projects in that particular study. The northwest rail was determined to be still very still important, but it was really looked at it's more of a long-term long-term project. It's part of that study 2,016, as I mentioned the B line opened for the for the first segment of the corridor and then. Now we're looking at in 2,017. The concept of Peak service really started coming to fruition, which we are now investigating.

[8:10] So what is peak service? So Peak Service is 3 3 weekday morning trips from Longmont to Denver, and then 3 weeks a evening trip back from Denver to Longmont. we're partnering with our local jurisdictional partners to look at 6 new stations. Those stations are in Westminster, Broomfield. Lewisville, Boulder in Longmont We're we're looking at to identify some feasible locations for a maintenance facility up in Longmont, because we will have any different fleet with different requirements. We wanna obviously the railroad is a pretty major component of this whole piece. They own the infrastructure. So we're recording with the Bsf. To identify what needs to happen to partner in one on the Bsf Court tracks. We're looking at evaluating potential train types and technologies. And of course, we're exploring opportunities and potential partnerships. 1 one in particular that's

[9:07] that we're excited about is the front range Passenger Row. So the proposed new stations that we're looking at downtown Westminster, near 80 eighth Broomfield, one over 6 flat on downtown Louisville Boulder Junction at Depos Square and downtown logm. So here's a a blow up of the Boulder Junction at Depot Square. This is a little bit conceptual at this point. We're you know, working with with our stakeholder team, which includes Jean and Danny actually helping us out with this to kind of determine some of the details which which they still need to be filled in on this particular plan. But here's our Boulder Junction and Depot square facility. Here Goose Creek, where we currently have a having it. I have an underpass underneath the alignment. This is the rough location that we're looking at for the platform.

[10:04] And then we're also investigating a potential additional underpass in this area as well. It's important to note that we do. We are looking at putting the platforms on a siding track. Yeah, and the reason that we want to we want to do that in the Intend is we stay completely within the the railroad right of way. But the reason we want to do that is that allows us to provide a level boarding platform. So I think, in the past we've looked at a lower level platform scenario. but by having an onsiding tracks it's just like the rest of the commuter. All system the Rtd. Has where the platform is raised, and you could walk directly from the platform straight onto the train without stairs or ramps, or the high blocks. and i'm sure we'll have questions about this, and then come back to this slide. If there are any specific questions after after we go through the presentation, if that's all right. So partners in collaboration, like I said, I mentioned there's at least a couple of people on this call that are. They sit on our study advisory team. We have a great. We have great support from the community, and representatives from the jurisdictions.

[11:09] you know, together working with C. Dot, B. Nsf. Railway from his passenger rail district. You know our goal is to really develop a safe, reliable, and connected multi-mortal transportation network in the area. So why is peak service feasible for Northwest Rail. you know. Given the fact that we have limited resources, it's a the peak service would results in a little bit. Not maybe not quite as much daily service routes. It also has a has a little bit more limited infrastructure that we would have to build out. So it's a way that we think that we could. We can deliver a real solution to the northwest area sooner rather than later. We mentioned the cost effective approach to go forward. The accomplishes a lot of initial track improvements that need to be done, Whether or not we're doing full service or a more limited peak service. But that allows us to have a foundation for what we increase service in the future.

[12:08] We've got that. We've got some of those that infrastructure in place. Something those type. Things might be something like positive train control as an example which is a requirement to run commuter. All service on on any tracks. Peak service has been proven to be a successful practice in other jurisdictions and other cities. So we're not. We're not reinventing the wheel here. This is something that we can admire from others on. and it addresses some of the ridership needs of today. While while still laying the foundation for future ridership, expansion as is the ridership in demand grows so. When will train service start in my community right now to be clear, this is a feasibility study. So what we're looking for, so there is no plan. Start date for the train at this time. We're we're what we're looking at. The requirements to upgrade existing rail tracks. The freight tracks, you know. What if what do we need to build up what infrastructure Google and Haven't have in place?

[13:06] And then we want to identify a common set of facts, as we call it, which is, how much does it cost, how much it will cost to operate? What are the benefits and impacts, and what strategic partners partnerships from houses that we can that we can target. We also want to outline potential funding sources that will allow us to hopefully bring this forward so a little bit about the study schedule. The the project is broken up into 5 milestones. Milestones, one and 2 are really more about fact. Finding you know what what commitments have been put in place by the jurisdictions since this was passed on, since the Ee. Was done in 2,010. So that's a little bit more of a fact. Gathering exercise milestone 3, which is where we are currently right now with the tail end of milestone 3, which is really defining what our what our footprint is for peak service. What do we need to have in place? What are the stations look like? We're this, where the the being a set track settings those type of items.

[14:06] And then, of course, we just had our first kind of major open houses for the public. That was back in January, 30, first in Boulder and February second. We had one in Westminster. and then from there we want to look at okay, what kind of options and partnerships are available. And then look at what kind of options and strategies and next steps are available for us to move forward. So milestones. So we'll touch a little bit on the milestones, one through 3, the community outreach. And input this is some of the information that we learned through those open houses. So community input by the numbers. So we had about 175 total people in the 2 open how visitors from the 2 open houses, 120 and boulder, 75, and Westminster. We got about 29 total comment cards between those 2. But our self kind of online meeting was, we're really most people went to to give us comments. We had about 3 300 views on her online meeting. That meeting ran a little bit longer.

[15:08] We started before the open houses and ran a little bit beyond the open houses. We had about 173 surveys completed through the online meeting. And then on this Rcd study website comment form, we had about 352 people provide comments and sign up for emails in that in that period. So the early study team take aways that we had. This is: this is kind of from the team and from the from the study advisory team, our sat members. is it? In general? There was. There was some excitement for the conversation to renew it. It's been a little bit since this has been talked about there were some concerns with the Peak service, and maybe it wouldn't necessarily work for everybody. But in general we ran in. We had comments from a lot of people that even though it may not work for them right now, they appreciated. They appreciated the a potential start for the service that could be expanded to be something that would be be useful for them in the future. We've got some. We had quite a few concerns about, maybe a reverse give you if we're coming into Longmont

[16:13] or of to do West from that in the morning that maybe there's a way to get back sometime during the day, go the other direction in the morning. There were some comments about some additional stations, perhaps that maybe gun barrel or niwat. one of a lot of curious about potential partnerships, passenger rail as an example, and to be in a sub railway. And what would those look like cost and ridership differentials, peak service, the full build. So you know what? What are the what are the costs between a full build and in a peak service scenario, When what is the ridership difference between those 2 service for customers with non-traditional commute times was brought up several times, which is, you know, somebody who might be in the hospitality. industry, or service, industry, and they don't have necessarily a traditional commute time. a lot of questions and concerns about growth around the stations, and you know that

[17:06] kind of covers a full gamut of a lot of things. you know. Are we stretching the infrastructure at the stations beyond? What's what's available. You know. What what does that development around the station look like? Those sort of questions? And then, of course, kind of the the big one down here is, you know. Okay. So what if it What else? Peak service it turns out to maybe be cost prohibitive. What are the next steps? If that's if that's the case. So these are some of the things that we heard, you know. Taking the community community comments, I would, I would say that a lot of the comments that we got from the community were were pretty similar to what to what our takeaways were as the design team and as the study advisory team. but a few other ones, you know. Again statements about the overall study. I think there were a general. It was a positive positive feedback that we were getting there were some interesting heard from several people that were

[18:02] excited about seeing it, seeing it, especially people that were maybe new to the area, and didn't really anything didn't really know that much about the Northwest rail or the history of it. And there were quite a few people that were coming to the area from a a city where maybe they had more rail transit, and they were excited about it as well. So and then you know, just overall that, you know. I think some excitement that that that Rtd is is still looking at this as a commitment for for fast tracks, that we're still trying to find out a way to to hopefully move forward on this station areas again. Potential locations and stations had some comments on that additions as we talked about earlier. and then other topics, integrated service options. So how can how can the existing Rtd transportation network tie into the stations? How can it tie into the court, or how can they compliment some of the other Rtd. Transit and local transit systems?

[19:07] And one of the other big comments that we heard, too, is, you know. Is it going to impact any of the other other services that we have? So if we bring in Northwest rail, what does that do to the services that we currently have in the area? I think that's probably more of a concern about. Are we going to reduce or cancel some of those other services land use as we talked about. What we kind of heard more from the public is really more of a about idea about whether or not it's going to be more of a private development, a Tod. Is it going to be more of a public space? You know. What is that. What are those station areas look like? Then, of course, we heard some concerns about the construction which is. We're not quite there yet. But you know, Obviously, when construction does happen that there are going to be, you know, concerns about how that affects the it takes the public so a little bit of the feedback. So we did a survey. This particular question is, please select all the reasons why the service would not meet your needs. Kind of the the bigger the big.

[20:09] Here we're really more about service Times service directions. So need weekend weekend service was the biggest one it should be. It should be noted that people could enter more than one more than one concern in in the survey. So if you see that the numbers don't exactly add up to the numbers that we threw out as far as the participation. That's why it's interesting to note that you know 60 of the respondents said. You know there really wasn't. Anything that that stood out to them is is a a reason why the service would not meet their needs. You know, Ni. Midday service. evening service and opposite commute kind of round out the next 3, and then, of course, station locations, and then the proposed route does not stop near a key key destination towards the tail end.

[21:02] So the next one of the other questions we asked is, what do you see as the benefits of the Peak Service rail plan, and I was th. This was actually to me was hopeful, because you know what I what I liked about this is actually there were a lot of a lot of people identified a lot of benefits. and you know that goes from the top one. Being just a boy being stuck in traffic. I think we can. Probably all we all agree with that one reduced vehicle admissions, opportunity to use, commute. to read, work, and rest. Get this presentation again earlier this morning, and I can. I can certainly testify that I have fallen asleep on a train before, so I can. I can understand that one, you know, just new transportation opportunities. And you know, that gets to one of the things that we're talking about, too, is so. Maybe the train doesn't necessarily meet both directions as an example. But if you took the train, maybe into the Us. That doesn't necessarily mean you can't take the bus back, so it's a little bit about transportation options as well. It provides another layer of transportation option

[22:09] for having a Northwest rail peak service a potentially faster way to reach destinations. A safer way to travel. And then this enhance mobility for people who really, who rely upon transit. and then kind of the last one is really the reduced transportation cost, and this is really more of a personal cost. You know, I think your your car payment. gasoline parking that and whatnot. So this is a question we ask about the Longmont, a maintenance for Soviet in Longmont, which are, which factors are most important to consider when evaluating a site for the proposed maintenance facility. I should note that most of the people that actually responded to this Don't actually live in the area of the of our potentially proposed

[23:00] commuter rail facility. But you can. You can imagine that the ones that are pretty typical. That you would, you would guess, would be the ones that people are concerned about which is noise, impacts. air, quality and emissions and traffic disruptions around out the biggest 3. And then from there it gets into the lesser concerns of animal habitat, a number of private properties impacted and visual impacts. So the next steps. So we obviously have these open houses, and you know we we continue to define the initial footprint of stations. We want to refine the design, and really kind of hone down hone into the numbers and sharpen her pencils and make sure that we've got costs, mitigations, and impacts properly captured. We want to use the public input that we got in this first open house and and look to see how that informs our study. Are there any mitigations or modifications that we need to make? As As a result of that, input we'll continue to compile the common, the draft, common set of facts, those are the costs, the ridership, the benefits and impacts. That's still a work in progress, and it will be for some time.

[24:05] We will do if you do, in an update to the Rtd Board in April to the April eleventh to the Finance and planning committee. If anybody is interested in joining that that meeting to see what questions and concerns come out of that. and then, of course, we've got another kind of our next set of public open houses scheduled, looking to do that at late spring, early summer, to really kind of go over what what? The final results were milestone 3 and discussed. You discussed some of the early concepts or milestone for. and that concludes the presentation, and I I will open it up for for any questions anybody has. Thanks, Patrick. If you don't mind, stop sharing your screen, and it looks like Commissioner to Michelle has

[25:01] to. Your it's at the bottom. There we go. Okay, Yes, ma'am. all right on the reverse commute thing. I actually had a couple of questions like, Why doesn't? Why doesn't it go both ways. That was the thing with F 4 and Fs: as well like. Yeah. So peak service came. You know it is actually a collaborative effort. Peak service between between the stakeholders in the area and Rtd. To come up with a a proposed service. That would you know what we're trying to do is we're trying to. We're trying to find a way to get a starter service going. So it's definitely a limited limited service, the idea being that it it would make it more manageable for us to move something forward. Sorry. Is there just 3 separate trains and train operators that move in the morning, and they don't. They just literally don't circle back.

[26:00] They circle back in the evening, so they basically would stage down at the Us. That would come back in the evening. So what so one of the questions is, You know it's not a double tracked system. So we have a single being, a subtract, and you can imagine, if you've got 2 trains going on opposite opposite directions, you have to have got it a way for them to pass, and that's that's increased that infrastructure costs. So again, the concept is, try to come up with something that was a bit. It was an easier easier lift to to move forward. Okay, I think I got confused because of that. 4 and F. Of the BoT service also didn't run in the opposite direction, and those buses, I would imagine, are actually circling. But maybe they're not either. What is what do you? What do you believe the proposed capacity will be for those 3 trains. Oh, help me out here, Rick. I think that I think the train cars themselves. I think they generally hold about. Yeah. there's a couple things there. There's a V and Af requirement what they call the 3 the 3 axle rule they kind of would require us, I think, to operate. A 3 car minimum consists.

[27:09] and you know each car depending on whether the standing or seating I'd say the average is probably what rig is about 160. Is that what you guys were looking at? Some somewhere around in that range so seated would be 1 10? Yeah. So yeah, so. And you know there there'll be 3 trains, 3 trains in the morning. So that's each car. So the whole consists. You know. We're looking at looking at over 300 or so okay, I have more questions, but I know Robin has questions, so i'll. I'll pause and let somebody else take it. You can keep going, Rebecca. I just have one quick question. Okay, All right on the seeded concept, you know just the idea of that passenger experience. I know I was really excited when I was taking the fire and flyer into Denver, where I was commuting regularly. But I really couldn't do work on the bus. or really anything, just like how tightly the seats were positioned. It was also really really difficult to reach those those, you know.

[28:11] plugs between the seats for anybody that has to be down. So whenever you get to that point, you know, as a nicer train experience, maybe it's not quite so so cramped. Sure. Okay. And then about the other concerns about displacing or replacing existing bus service. Have you all thought about like you would funnel people to the trains for the 3 train trips, but then use the existing buses and the same bus drivers to you know it span the hours of service, or F. A. 4 enough upsets right? Because right now they are also well. When they were running they were peak service now, right now they're not running at all. But sure. Yeah, that's that's a good question, and for those that might be familiar with the Rtd standard or system optimization plan, which is supposed to be fully rolled out by 2,027,

[29:10] so that that will real establish. I don't I don't believe it establishes it 100% pre pandemic. but it will. It is set to to re-establish quite a few of the flattened flyer services. So we would we would not, I would not anticipate at this point. I You know this is being recorded. So I get it now. I'm just getting I I don't know that I would anticipate any any change to the planner and flyer above and beyond what the service the system optimization plan is calling for. What we are looking at right now is we're we're working with our service planners to talk about. How do we get how to potential? Get feeder service feeder buses routed into the area. And and that's kind of a combination of ones that might be able to go down to the stations from the existing feeder lines and potentially flex. Right flex ride is a big one that we're looking at to potentially help

[30:03] supplement and and provide additional service to get to the trains. I don't know that it's not really necessarily our our method, you know we're not really looking to try to funnel people particularly specifically to any one of the any one of the the services, like trains versus buses. as we As we're thinking about it. It's more of a complementary service. and providing more flexibility, more options for for writers in the area. I'm. Looking at it with multiple hats. So one of them is is as a pop commuter, having expanded service hours, would make it easier to take it right. Instead of having to walk my dog and make sure I didn't catch, and you know that I cut the last boss cutting out and make it to work on time, and then, you know, returning in the afternoon, making sure that I didn't stay too long to talk to my boss and get caught and no, I' another way home. So being able to spend that, and then a using the resources that we are absolutely going to run to the best of

[31:05] our abilities. Right? So if there's a 110 seats on the train. We're already running the train, and we're already using the emissions that go with that when it makes sense to optimize that as much as possible. So those are the different house that I'm: I'm. Weighing here. Okay. interesting. Robin. Thanks for the question. I appreciate good questions that always ask the questions, so I would say I. I also have found it impossible to work on the bus. Ride down to Denver, but that's mostly a motion, sickness, issue, which I quite frankly don't experience on trains to the same extent. So I don't know if that's in any way benefit there. So in not reinvest in the wheel. You said that this is based upon programs that have been existing already in Seattle, Salt Lake City. I don't remember on the top of my head a couple of the other ones. So what do we have numbers on? How utilize this is? And some of the drawback that they've found in implementing that program already.

[32:08] you know. I say I would say I may. I may defer to Rick on this one just a little bit, but but I I don't. I think we're still compiling some of that information, for you know, we did have a conversation with our last sat meaning which was okay, so what were they projected starting riderships on those on those examples, the other examples. And you know what what were the numbers right after they started service and what numbers you know. How did that grow so, Rick? I don't want to put you on the spot here too much, but I know that last conversation, which was probably about a week and a half ago, really kind of started. was started that conversation. Okay, how do we pull some of this information some of these numbers together to get a better feel for exactly how it worked on those those other services, Rick. I don't know if you have anything you want to add to that. maybe a couple of quick examples. Seattle, for example.

[33:02] had their fast tracks vote in 1,998, one of their commitments. That was within 2 years they would have computer rail service between Seattle and Tacoma. and they achieve that with 2 round trips a day. They did that with the B. Andsf Railway as the owner of the track. and in partnership with with B. Andsf. Amtrak also runs over that route to connect to Portland, or on down on the Co-star Light to California. So you know it's it's it's a good route, and and well maintained from those 2 trips a day in about the year. 2,000. They're now up to 10 round trips a day. and this is pre-pandemic. They carried about 6 million passengers that year. So

[34:01] we were. We're putting together the more detailed information that our sat members asked us for. and that'll be a pretty concise table that we'll. We'll make that available, probably in before the next round of public meetings. and I just have one other question, which was, I apologize? It probably was on the map you showed us earlier. But my assumption, which might just be wrong is that this would also be assumed. We're doing a fork and ride like. We have a table, mesa, and some of the other locations, and if so, do we have an idea of where that would go the overall parking. Yeah, and I may try to. Oh, I'm: not sure anymore. Yeah, it it kind of depends on the station so particularly. I'm: assuming you're talking about the boulder one. So the boulder station. We we're not looking at doing a parking ride for that for that particular station. So you know we think this falls under the You know what we've heard from Boulder, which is the low car, No car development, the the the the city is after

[35:10] in in Gene and and, Danny, you guys, you can kick me if i'm saying something wrong here. But so we we have an existing facility at the Boulder Junction and Depot square, so we're not looking at building anything additional to that. So if anybody wants to ride by car, they can utilize that facility and make their way over to over to the platform. But we're not looking to do a park and ride. I think we're looking to do really. Look at. but how we handle neighborhood connections, and how we can connect into the facility with route to the surrounding development. And I might it it, Jean and Danny, if there's anything you want to add to that. That's a that's our explanation of it. And but yeah, we're not. We're not looking at doing a parking right in the for the boulder location. Yeah, Patrick, I think he's stated. Well, no, we're not looking to add any more parking. We are looking to provide. Drop off an 88 accessible locations for folks to get to and from the train platform, but we feel like the parking is pretty well built out as it is in the Boulder Junction area. So

[36:15] thank you. It's no okay. Yeah, that I answered one of my questions, which was, if the existing garage was going to be considered the main parking utility for the the train station are the current stations that you're considering where existing sightings are on the railroad or so I know there is a siding where you highlighted in the depot square area. I'm: just kind of curious if that is the intended station. Basically Yeah, there's a lot of conversations still go on that we we we're really just kind of really just getting in the beginning engagement with the Bsf. But

[37:06] I would say that there are some that might be coincidental. I I would say that that's probably going to be a new sighting at that location. It's it's there is something there you're correct. but being a stuff is gonna there's 2 different kinds of signing. So just just to kind of back up a little bit, there's passing sightings, which the intent is that the being a Seth will actually pull over onto the passing sightings. There's there's right now, being a set is told us there's 4 of them along the 35 miles between the existing Westminster Station and Longmont and the idea is that they would pull out of the way and allow Rtd. To operate Prior, have the priority operations during a certain time window. and that would allow us to go back and forth without having to worry about any any interference with the freight train getting stuck behind a freight train that sort of thing. And then the the sightings themselves for the stations, the platforms if there is one there, and I think Lewis still has one. It's kind of designed out for one, but for to potentially be there already.

[38:08] But we didn't necessarily locate the platform specific to maybe where there are sightings, the platform locations and the station locations are really more about community location and connectivity. And you know, just make sure that we can make sure that makes sense to where we're putting them. So yeah, we didn't. We didn't look at the kind of the quarter, and say, oh, there's a sighting list. Put a station there. so it's really this: the settings are following the lead on on where it makes sense to put stations and platforms super helpful. Thank you. Maybe this question is kind of a combo for staff and yourself. But i'm just curious when, if we're starting to picture a station in that area kind of close to Valmon, along the tracks in Boulder Junction. thinking about passenger drop off and things like that. I mean. It's pretty tight, you know. Small streets. Not a lot of pull offs. Buildings are pretty close to the the tracks. I'm just kind of curious like

[39:10] is the initial push for the peak service. Times having when you say station, maybe people or myself might picture something kind of built out and larger and and closed, or something. Is it something? It maybe is the station at that point. More lightweight open air, you know, covered with some displays or something like that to show service time. I'm just kind of curious like. What? What does it look like to have a station in that area? Yeah, and I I think that's a that's a good question, and we had. I don't, unfortunately. Don't have a slide available right now to to pull up, but I don't know if you've. If anybody has had any experience on any of the light rail that we have light rail stations or commuter rail stations that we currently have. I would say, a good place to look at would be one of our existing commuter rail communal stations where it's a. It's a raised platform. It's it's about it's it's 50 and a half inches above top of rail.

[40:07] I'm Sorry that's very specific, but you know roughly 4 feet above the top of rail. and you know we have, like the North Metro that just opened up has 2 canopies. They're kind of large over a canopy, for you know, she sheltering me from from the weather, and then we have wind screens on the back, and of course we have signage, light, emergency phones, trash cans. You know all the amenities, benches, that sort of that sort of thing that kind of go along with, as well as the sign displays that you're talking about. So it's a little bit of an open air, I guess i'll call it an open air station with some canopies to provide shelters. That's what that's what the expectation I would say would be the best for you to consider. If you have an opportunity to visit some of our existing rail stations, we can. We can recommend ones for people to go go by and take a look at if you want to see what those what I feel of that is, but I think it's for us. We would build sort of that open air station, and we would work really close with your staff in the city of Boulder. Kind of figure out how those connections work right how to how to folks get there from.

[41:08] You know the East Side is the development you side of the tracks is the development to be determined. You know. I know. I know that the city has work started those those plans. I think phase, 2 of that development. And you know we want to talk about how that works, and how people get to an overpass, how they they can underpass, how they can make a connection into that into the station itself. But it's really about providing ramp stairs, vertical circulation connections, and what not, to the existing. The existing network pedestrian network around the area. And then I don't know if, like you said he was a part, maybe a partial question for staff. I don't know if Danny or Jim, but I went away in on that, either. But that's what I would look at for your an idea of what it good. That's great, Thank you. Hey, Patrick. Thanks. So so much for the presentation. And the I thought the online meeting, too, was was really well done. The the self guided tour. I thought that fly over was was super helpful, and that I thought it was all just like a really great presentation. So

[42:14] okay, Thank you. That's I'll give kudos to the Hdr team for that. They did it. They did a great job on that online presentation, and and you know the beautiful vocal tones of Rick Pilgrim there was in the fly over so very nice. Yeah, hey? 2 quick questions for you. The these commissions were. I predicated on the assumption that the the rail would be put in at the time in the early 2,010. And so I think we have a. We have a lot of support within this commission. But today was the the first that I saw about the assumption that there'd be an underpass kind of where that rail line is intended to be. Would you anticipate that being in before this this rail sort of interim process would would occur?

[43:02] You know what they that that's a that's a good question. And just from a practicality standpoint to build on rail. you know you would have to build. You'd have to do a shoe fly, so you would have to build probably one of the rail, so that, being a step can operate in the interim. and you would have to build a portion of the tunnel, and then you'd have to build the track on top of that tunnel, Ship them over and then build like sort of the second half. It's. It's a it's a bit of a ballet, you know. Procedure to do all that. So I would. We gotta talk a little bit internally when it we kind of want to make sure that we're we're good on what we what we define as the base configuration. But I think that certainly would be a a major consideration as to whether or not this goes in now versus later, because I think it would be pretty difficult to put it in later Once both services are operating. Yeah, we we've had a few of those happen in town here under we're passes under roads, and we know you know, all those take and and complicated complicated projects similar to the Westminster Station. If anybody was paying until that one back in the day where we had to build it in 2 segments, and it's it's easier to do when you have one service, one operator.

[44:14] But when you have 2 and you're trying to move trains around. It gets it gets pretty difficult to do. Got it. you know. One other question just out of curiosity, you know, is we've waited for for this project to occur. I've I've thought for the last 10 years, you know, if only we we can be ready for the when we have a federally, the next infrastructure bill comes about, and we have a you know, kind of a so for ready type project that that needs some money Are we able to apply for any inflation Reduction act money, or is there any availability there that Rtd. Is able to access? Well, we're trying to. You know, one of the one of the things we want to do on this project is try to identify potential funding sources. It it One of the challenges we've had in the past is kind of looking at the ridership numbers versus the because versus the cost of the project when it comes to Federal funding.

[45:03] I think one of the most one of the very exciting things that we are looking at very closely is a potential partnership, the front range passenger rail, because I think the front range passenger rail really, I think, opens up a lot of doors that were probably previously closed to us. When it comes to some of the funding opportunities. Now we are. We are obviously looking at funding opportunities, and you know, because we need to consider consider the potential that we would have to go at a loan as well. That is something we have to think of. Think about is, you know what, if front range passing world doesn't happen, you know we still we still have one to look at. What service would be. So I I can't necessarily speak to. You know which grants necessarily we might be able to get available for. But that is part of the study. We're just not really quite ready to to really make any sort of statements or predictions on that. Yeah. Well. that makes sense. Oh, yeah.

[46:00] appreciate you taking the time to join us or has this hand up? Yeah, it was just a kind of a fall on to what you said, Kevin, about the underpass, and I'm: just curious are we considering something that area already for Folder Junction phase 2 regardless of train station, train service, etc. I mean another connection in that area between Goose Creek and Belmont. I don't know i'm just throwing it out there that maybe maybe that might happen regardless of train station. Yeah. And I know that area right now is kind of the back end of some commercial office buildings on the east side of the track, so not to speak for Staff and I'm. I'm guessing that'll be a part of the second phase. Pgi planning. Yeah, thanks. I'm Sarah, and you can correct me if i'm wrong. But you know the the bother or the Transit village area Plan Network plan does identify an underpass between Belmont and Goose Creek. And so I think

[47:12] you know, we've asked the Rtd team engineers to take a look at that, what it would entail. It's pretty tight on that west side, and we're we're still going to get a little bit more engineering information related to that. But I do think that that's something that should be looked at more closely in Phase 2, as we update those connections in the particularly on the East side, and how to make those connections to the West. And Sarah, like I said, Jump in if that's if that's not the case. Okay, good. That's highlight. Do we have anybody else from the team. I think. Yeah, it's just it's okay. So I know they're not popular. But I will. I will ask, anyway, Has an at great pedestrian crossing, then considered.

[48:02] Yeah, I I I can speak to that just a little bit. So the the challenge with the that great crossing is the beings. They're going to say no to to our passengers crossing their tracks. so it's it's it's it's better to do a great separation. I I asked, because not that I would out anybody for doing this, but people are definitely crossing at grade instead of walking down the muddy hills. Sometimes it's muddy or slippery from ice, or whatever when they're visiting businesses on the east side, and then they're coming back to to the west side. So clearly. Clearly. It's meeting some need for some people, even when they're walking over uneven rocks. And I, I agree. In fact, we were out there for a site visit one day, and we we saw that exact same. And the amazing thing is the being at step. Crews, we're actually replacing the tri the ties and taking the rail at the same time. We're like oh, man, I can't, you know, because, being a stuff takes that very seriously.

[49:03] So it's a little bit surprised that they they didn't kinda get on them for that. But I understand exactly what you're saying. You know some of the things that we've done on our stations as well as and we kind of have to on some of these is sometimes what we close part of our corridors with some sort of fencing or barriers of some kind to to try to deter that. you know. Obviously, if we have a a grade separated access. you know, for the most part we found that people yeah, people will use that. probably especially under passes, maybe even more so that overpasses just because the overpasses you really have to go up pretty high to clear, to do all the clearances, the minimum clearance of it, the being a set is 23 foot 6, so you can imagine that's a that's a bit of a staircase to go open over, and and you know the easier to make it. The more people are gonna the more likely this people going to use it. And Rick, I see. Rick's got his hand up, and just to

[50:00] to mention the front-range passenger rail would likely stop it at Boulder Junction. That's something that that they're about 9 or 10 months behind us in putting their Service Development plan together so they'll they'll be looking at a longer platform. then the platform that we would be starting with. So that that's another consideration is for Northwest not to preclude any future expansion or enhancements. so working through all of those different pieces, would be part of what we're doing now. Thanks, Rick. I. Any other Christians observations does not seem to be, and maybe it is a good segue for us to move into the folder junction

[51:02] this to agenda. Item with a quick update. Yes, here. From that you can probably see a small version of me on the screen. So i'm, sir. Of course i'm the project manager for the full interaction phase 2 project working in the comprehensive planning group. and I will share my screen. I do have a good presentation. But let's say you guys are fine with. I'm gonna see my name. Well, all right. Okay, so very quickly. I know you guys are very familiar with a lot of this, but i'm going to go over just some quick background. So, as we're aware, Boulder Junction has evolved phase 2 is what we're calling, reaching substantial completion. And yeah, we recognize that a lot of growth has happened. So with that phase 2 is a great opportunity for new housing jobs, community amenities, things like that, and it's become city council's priority to move forward and implement phase 2 of the transit village area plan. So this project hold rejection phase 2. We'll look at kind of how should the future development in this area be guided

[52:12] so quick? Quick Background Again: Apologies. If you guys are very familiar with the transibility already plan. But in general. The trans village Area plan is located within Belmont Road. Foot Hills Parkway on the east. the real Road and North Folder Farmer Stitch, the South Thirtieth Street to the west. And then there's also a small portion of the plan area that's also west of. So in general this plan it was adopted about 15 years ago, back in 2,007, and it provides the general guidance for future development. So it has recommendations for land use, transportation connections, as well as transportation demand management. And then there's also an implement implementation plan that was created to identify what would be implemented by how, who and when, and that will definitely become part of this project as well.

[53:01] So we're familiar with base one that the plan proposes, as well as space 2. And then there's also this phase 2 a that was proposed in the plan. This is kind of already started to implementation of started for 2 a. So our primary focus will be just the phase, 2 area. As a reminder. The plan proposed. Future land uses. So in the phase 2 area there's a variety of land uses that we will re-evaluate, I guess. The plan also proposed transportation connections, so looked at what new connections should occur, as well as upgrades to existing connections and then the plan also identified a different character district. So these character districts provide guidelines for building design, placement, orientation, things like pedestrian amenities, way finding and access and kind of the key takeaway from these districts was that they really informed the regulations for the form based code that was developed and applied to the phase, one area in terms of the project framework. How we're looking at it is that there is 2 main parts of this project.

[54:01] So the first part is for planning plan amendment process so kind of taking us. Now you know, this winter from Project kick off all the way through the end of this year. So what will happen during this time is we'll review background. Information will then identify the community's current and future needs. We'll develop alternatives for land use transportation connections and or design or character the area. And then we'll identify a preferred approach for potential changes to the transit village area plan, and those potential changes will go through the plan, and then the adoption process. So, looking at, why are we doing? Maybe a plan Amendment, I guess, is we're going back. And we're saying that you know this. This plan is 15 years old, and we want to make sure that we're understanding how the community needs have changed over these past 15 years. and then, if we need some revisions to the plan. so what we'll do we go back and kind of evaluate. The plan is, we're going to look at a few specific areas. We're not going to evaluate the entire plan, but we will look at what the potential alternatives could be for land use.

[55:04] Again, we want to understand if the current or the proposed land uses still apply, or if there are some changes that could be made. We'll look at if there's potential alternatives for the transportation connection. So, just like what was discussed earlier, making sure that all the connections are still relevant. Or if there's some revisions that need to be made, especially of some new land uses might be proposed. and then we'll look at the character of the area. So we've heard some feedback around. Maybe the character that was proposed for the area or kind of the outcomes of phase one and making sure that we're still doing things that are aligned, and we're still getting the outcome that we identified in the plan and making sure that we're getting kind of that public realm, character and things like that. That's a very, very quick summary of what we'll be doing as part of that plan amendment process. The second part of this project, which I think will definitely include you. All a bit more is when we would head to look at strategies for public improvements, and then we'll look at required code updates or regulatory updates. So again, during this part of the project, we will be defining, what are those steps for public improvements.

[56:10] So, as you guys familiar with, like, what are the new roads, an infrastructure that might need to be built. We'll then also define the steps for funding and facing. So how, when white new roads be built. and then we'll define the steps for updated regulation. so that might mean what requirements or incentives need to be in place to ensure that we're getting outcomes that we'd like to see. But as part of that I like to call out when we're looking at regulations and other parts of the implementation strategy. That's where we'll also consider transportation demand management, and where this group might come into play when we're looking at the general improvement districts. And how might we expand the Tdm program into the phase? 2 area as well. So that's a very quick summary of kind of the main components of the project in terms of broader community outreach. So right now we're we're moving through the project, Kick off.

[57:02] We're planning to do a community open house where we'll discuss the project background, and we'll look at, receive feedback on phase one and the outcomes of phase one as well as opportunities for phase 2. After that, then we'll go back to the community to get feedback on alternatives, for again the land use transportation connections and character for the phase 2 area. and then we'll head into city council. So we'll try to do a study session with city Council to again discuss these alternatives, but then also to get feedback on what a preferred approach might be for a plan amendment. We'll get confirmation again from the community about what this preferred approach might be, and then we'll head into the adoption process. So that's in terms of broader community engagement. It'll be more in that first part of the project. We are creating focus groups, and we'll have focus group meetings throughout the whole project. And we have 4 different focus groups. So we have a group based around property business centers a group that we're calling development design. So it's developers, architects, landscape architects, a group

[58:10] for advocates. So organizations and agencies that are advocating for something or these organizations that might be organizations or people that might be impacted by the project. And then the last group is what we're calling daily users. And this includes and largely people that live in the Boulder Junction area, and people that work in the area as well. So we're engaging these groups throughout the whole project. and considering them kind of the major stakeholders, and we'll be sure that the groups that we engage might vary throughout the project as well, so it might vary when we get to implementation stage. But in general, that's who will be engaging in addition to other boards and commissions. So, lastly, just as a quick update of where we're at. So we just held the first focus group meetings the past week or 2, where we discuss the outcomes of phase, one as well as some initial opportunities for the phase, 2 area and then the next focus group meetings. We'll. We'll head into discuss those alternatives for land use, transportation connections, and and we'll align that with kind of the community. Open house as well.

[59:12] So right now we're at a point where we'll provide a summary of focus group feedback. We're looking at scheduling the community Open house which we're nearly down to date and venue. We're trying to do it in person. So we're headed hopefully. It'll be some time, maybe around mid April, and we'll announce that fairly soon, and then we'll be scheduling the next focus group meetings. So that was my summary of for project. And if you guys have any questions about it. I I know that was a quick update. But the other thing is, we'd like to come back to this group to give updates. But if you have feedback on how we should be engaging this group throughout this project. We're also open to that feedback as well. Real quick, sir, before we get to the questions from Commissioners. I understand there's a joint Commission Multi Commission meeting being scheduled. I didn't hear anything about that. We're yeah. So our department or group is looking at create. I think we're calling it a multi board working group, and at this point the updates are beyond me. Brad or Nuria, or Christopher Johnson might have a little bit more of an update on that. But what we're looking at right now is piloting something with this project. Given

[60:24] the fact that it's a City Council Priority project, it's maybe more of a complex project where some of these changes will cross over, you know, engagement with multiple boards, different departments, and the fact that this project has somewhat of a faster timeline as we're looking at. How can we engage these boards, maybe at once? So we're looking at, maybe having representatives from all different boards and commissions come together where we can give presentations, the updates to just one group and one meeting, and then hopefully expect that group to share those updates back to their back to their boards and bring feedback to us kind of simultaneously. But as i'm aware, nothing's been scheduled yet, and it's still in the process of kind of getting started

[61:06] great, so I know that the request is going to be a one member of every commission. We have our chair of the downtown Management Commission is planning to participate, and unless folks feel otherwise. our chairs of the Bjet commissions are Commissioner Nap and Commissioner Prant. So we would plan to extend the invitation to the chairs, unless there is a desire of the commissions to have somebody else represent the Commission at the at this joint meeting. and that we can move into to questions. And if you and if you want to nominate somebody else to participate in that joint commission meeting, so that would be a good time to to provide that feedback

[62:01] in hearing. Oh. Commissioner to myself. question not not any nomination. I know several people who applied to the working group for a teeth app phase 2, and for the airport I believe that didn't hear back that they weren't selected right. So just maybe a nudge to to reach out to people that applied, that weren't selected and let them know and close that feed exactly. We did send an email to people that were not selected. So I don't know if that was for a different project, or but as far as I know, we can double check and make sure that it reached everyone. But we did send an email out to those Okay, great. Thank you. And then I I look forward to definitely having some of the the land use reevaluate and stuff like that. I know it was disappointing when Folder very like moved to like another lab space, instead of being something that presents could use.

[63:04] Alright, Thank you for the Cross Commission Committee. I would be happy to allow somebody to sit in my my spot there as board share. If there's anybody else that has interest. Yeah, right when you eat willing to do that. Yeah, happy to, I mean, I don't. I guess I don't understand the time commitment just from that description. But assuming it's roughly, you know similar to the you know the the well. I can't remember the name of the group right now. That was discussing the the different parking concerns that's happened over the last year and a half, you know, meeting every few months for a couple of hours or something is is very doable.

[64:05] Who would love to participate? Kevin, if that's something that you're up into. If Chris, if that's okay with you and Staff, let's go ahead and plan on Ryan attending great. And then Commissioner Pr: for Tdm. Yeah. I'm: okay, with going great all right. Well, if there are no more questions on this phase of older Junction area planning, we can move on to our last matter from staff. Oh, no, not our last, almost for last. But but thank you, everybody, for you know our folks from Rtd. And Hdr. You're welcome to stay, but we have our or I'm not gonna say, old friend. Our long time friend Bill Cameron, is joining us to share some analysis work that his team at Fox Total has been doing in Boulder Junction with the Commissioner to see how we're doing on our our long term goals for minimizing trip generation in Boulder Junction.

[65:19] All that old is fine. All right. Now. It's my turn to share the screen. We are seeing an email. Oh, there we go. Alright. Excellent. All right, thanks, Chris, and thank you, Members of the older Junction boards for your time tonight. Again. My name is Bill Cowan. I'm with the Fox Subtle Transportation group, and we're here to talk about the 2020 Tdm monitoring reports. And just by way of the background the monitoring program tracks the progress of the Tdm district in meeting its goals. And and this is something that's outlined in Section 9.2 point 2, 2 of the boulder revised code. There's

[66:14] oh. goal that's set in in those and that section of a 45% trip, making 45 of what would be the potential or estimate from the ite or Institute of transportation engineers per generation manual. This is a a monitoring effort that's anticipated to be repeated every 2 years. It's last evaluation was in 2,000, and 17, and of course the Covid pandemic is the primary reason for the the delay in in doing that now. So when the prior monitoring occurred, my colleague, Bill Fox

[67:05] did that effort, and at that time he also put together a Tdm. And Parking district monitoring procedures document. This document just outlines the procedures involved in doing this study, and we've tried to follow this as carefully as we can this time, for our our Tdm evaluation. Well, projection, as was previously noted, has grown quite a bit since. That's so. He was done in 2,017. There are a lot more access points, a lot more streets involved, and so we did have to make some some decisions about how to do that work which we'll get into. and this is just the highlights of that study procedure. It involves documenting existing land uses, calculating trips, using the it, race. doing traffic counts to see what the traffic is currently, and then comparing them to see how you

[68:08] whether you need that 45% goal or not. So the first step is the trip generation and the potential beach at land uses. And to do this we created a a parcel map, 25 distinct parcel zones. Most cases these parcels have a single structure upon them, Some, like the hotel, and the Rev. And Google will have, you know, multiple structures upon them. But each is a distinct particle area for each of these we needed to determine the land use types and the trip generating factors that needed to be. They had to be determined in order to do the trip generation. And then, since we would be counting in these 3 distinct areas with pearl and thirtieth

[69:04] Ordering them, we decided to create sub total areas. The area to the north of pearl, the area that sits on the south east corner, and then the Google site. So we'll be able to provide data for each of those subtotals, and then the total Dj. Tdm. District. Certainly one of the biggest challenges was determining the land use and all the applicable information that is on the site. Today we used a variety of different sources to do this. We started with information that we had initially in 2,017. We had information from the city bowlers planning and development services. You know a wonderful development Review Cases website provided a lot of information about Oh.

[70:00] actions that were allowed to be taken on the site that included square footages. Information like that. The Boulder Chamber of Commerce had information about land use on the site. The city holders Gis data head and information, both from a sales tax and a business perspective on it. And unfortunately, having done all of that, that, still didn't quite get it. All of the land uses that were out there. So we went out onto the site. We talked with businesses. we talked with the staff. and then we went. We did some Internet searches to try and find information on square footages and information like that, and I think this effort has has resulted in a fairly complete submission of the land use within the boulder injection area. This is this chart just basically shows

[71:00] that information. There were 43 distinct land uses that we were able to identify considerable amount of housing. commercial uses, office space restaurants, and of course, the hotel. And then we were able to. Yeah Again, the information needed. calculate groups for each of these. and then we did that calculation. Housing trips in the it Trip Generation manual are based on the number of dwelling units. commercial office and restaurant trips are based on their a little gross Florida or footage, and the hotel trips are based on the number of rooms and specific to this evaluation. We were focusing on the Pm. Time period. That was the the time period that was identified in 2,017, and we we did that again this time

[72:04] that led to this summation of a trip estimate for the Boulder Junction area. There's a in the total polar injection area, a little more than 2,000 trips would anticipate to be generated according to it. with more than half of them being in that northern set of parcels north of. and then step 2, is estimating the actual short generation based on observed counts. And to do that we did a a very robust data collection effort on the site. There were a 26 distinct traffic count locations where we collected that at Pm. Peak our data it was collected on the week of October 20, fourth, and 22 again counted during that Pmp period.

[73:02] and again so totals calculated for that northern. so Eastern and Google set of parcels. and that led to this information, which again 850, some odd trips in the total area, with about half being in that northern area. and then a comparison of those 2 yields the results that you're looking for. The parcels north of Pearl are much lower than the it estimates their total budget status was 33% parcel south of Pearl and the Google site. They were higher than that threshold. But they also generated fewer trips over. All so when you combine it all together in the total older junction area.

[74:00] the the you are below that 45% threshold currently for this estimation. And just as a reminder back in 2,017 that this this effort resulted in a calculation of 58% of it e trip making it now results in 42%. But and that is great news. And I hope that seeing that makes you very happy. However, there are many factors that need to be considered in this as well, and we would be remiss if we didn't bring that up. There are still W. What we would call lingering Covid factors that are going on that are influencing trip, making regionally and certainly in the city of older residents are still working from home. It's certainly much larger numbers than at the time when those

[75:04] those those studies were done to determine the ite. Third generation rates correspondingly. People who are working at home are not going into the office. So there's quite a bit of office space in Folder Junction, but it's not seeing the use that it was seen. Pre Covid. There's vacant commercial space, and this is particularly important, because. as part of a successful Tdm area, you would, you would want to have a combination of land uses that support each other, and you would want to have people who could just live in a building and pop down to the ground floor and and use commercial space rather than making trips somewhere else. and with so much of the of the commercial being vacant, those trips are now being made away from Golden Junction, and some portion of those trips being made by car.

[76:04] And then, of course, there's the lack of transit service at the Rcd. Station. This is a a transit oriented development. And there is it's transit service at the station that certainly has an influence on trip making. and there's construction trick perfect with with as much construction that is going on currently. Some portion of that is the current in the Pm. Peak, and is adding to the trip making. So some of these factors would lower the the trip, making some of them would increase the trip, making. They may very well wash out. They certainly are significant factors, though, and we we needed to bring them up. and your consideration of you know the the validity of of this evaluation. So with that in mind. you know, our recommendation would be. and to the 2 year threshold for doing this again, with start in the fall of 2024 if you

[77:06] are able to view the conditions at that time and see that maybe there is reduced construction. Some of these Covid impacts have been reduced. you know. residents working from home. If that has sort of solidified into a new norm. Right? If those things are happening. go out and and do the Tdm. Monitoring again and hopefully, you'll get results very similar to what? Okay? Showing you here today. Thanks, Philip. You know My. and then i'll stop sharing. Thanks, Bill. It looks like we have a question as you just putting out. There are a lot of factors that are affecting the current trips right. But I I would like to point out that a lot of his offices didn't exist in 2,017.

[78:06] So them being vacant now is kind of consistent with total numbers, not with percentage of numbers, but with total trip numbers right like that's not maybe not as big of a leap as as you might think, because they didn't exist before a lot of the housing done with this, either in 2,017. So yeah. I don't remember when Google finish Yeah. And and this might have a little bit to do with the sort of the procedure that's used right. But i'll just use an example of one of your your office buildings. There is uplift on in the north section, and there I think it was. But they're about 42,000 square feet of office space, and there

[79:04] I I went in there, and you know, talked with them about their their use and and their space, and there certainly were not 42,000 square feet worth of people working there at that time. Right? So we're calculating, based on a 42,000 square foot usage of that site, because that's what's being leased to that to that building, and but they're not generating 42,000 square feet worth of trips from an employment standpoint. That may I mean, that may be the new norm, or it may be that that would change over time, and it's it's hard to imagine that land use will continue to be used like that, but that wouldn't shift into a different kind of stability. all right. or any other questions for Bill.

[80:07] if none I have got to run. But i'm gonna hand the the mic over to Sam Bromber, who is here to provide a quick signage, Update that we're pursuing community vitality. If there are any other items that come up and matters from commissioners or later on the the meeting. Lisa will be here to record, and that can certainly get back to you as soon as possible after today. So over to you, Sam. Thanks, Chris, and Hello. Kind of shares. Thanks for welcoming me back again. I promise to be very, very quick with my update, because this slide is essentially it. We're making some changes and updating our signage infrastructure across the city. And so you'll be seeing some changes to an in Boulder Junction. These are our new Peter Park signs on the left. You've got sort of the more informational sign on the right. That sign is associated with where the meters are. So we're hoping to take a more consistent approach across the city and and update that signage.

[81:11] And you questions. That's great. Okay, Thank you. See what else? If anything. we are the in Canada that brings us to matters from the Commissioners. Su. So there's a whole lot in the packet about the curbside access. But we're not going to discuss that. That was an information item only, but i'm happy to. you know, receive feedback and bring that back to staff

[82:00] or a few questions. If you have questions, and you know we can send the answers out to you. No, I guess. When is this the oh, it's going to counsel on? Okay? Yeah, I had some questions, but I read it and sort of understood. But I guess. Okay. if you. you know, can think of anything that you want to ask, you know, please get in touch with me, email me. I'll get answers for you. I might be able to take a stab at some answers to Sue. If there's anything that is that you're very curious about I'm. I'm tangentially involved in that project, so I might be able to help. I understand they wanted to come tonight, but I don't think there was enough time in the meeting to be scheduled. And so I think that was the conflict. Okay, I guess I have one question. So it's going to tab when I believe They've already been to tab once, and they'll

[83:01] likely go back again right now. They were just giving an update, but they're going to go back when they actually want tab to make a recommendation to Council to adopt the curbside management guidebook. Okay? Alright Well, i'll just keep an eye out for that, because we'll break some in on that. Okay, thanks. Sorry. I can't be more specific. Any other comments from Commissioners. you know. Let me. So I just make one, You know pets and comments that in our our last few meetings I think we had some some pretty robust conversations about the Bjet parking district and the the budgets there, and the financials were helpful to kind of get a sense of at least the

[84:03] economic status of of that district. But it'd be great to just get an update on when we'll have a kind of a broader conversation regarding the the future of the district. Yeah, I read through the minutes today, Kevin, and saw that was a major focus of the last meeting. So you know, if you want me to, i'd like to put that on the agenda for next time, and we can get you, maybe an update perfect. Yeah, that that'd be great. I think some questions came up in the last few meetings that we're. We're just going to expand upon and try to project out into the future. Absolutely

[85:00] all right. Does anyone have anything else? And let me say I saw you included the Refresher. It's on Roberts rules in there, so it'll make a proper motion to adjourn. Very good. Is there a second great? Thank you. Thanks, Robin. All right. Nice to see you, Everyone. Thanks, Steve. Thanks. Everyone Have a good night.