August 23, 2023 — Boulder Arts Commission Regular Meeting

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[0:04] Hello. alright! We're gonna get started. So bring to order the Boulder Arts Commission meeting August 20, third. and we'll start with the approval of the agenda. Do you have a motion motion to close the agenda? We can't see your face. I don't know if you have a video, or you'll have. Okay, yes. 1 s. Yeah. Okay, so all in favor for the agenda that is approved.

[1:00] Yeah, thank you. And I've just been handed the. So we'll start with that the city of Boulder acknowledges the city is on the ancestral homelands and unseated territory of indigenous peoples who have traversed, lived in and stewarded lands in the Boulder Valley since time immemorial. These indigenous nations include the Apache, Arapaho, Cheyenne, Comanche, Pawnee, Shoshone, Sue, and mute the city of boulder recognizes that those now living and working on these ancestral lands have a responsibility to acknowledge and address the past, and must work to build a more just future. and with that we will approve the minutes from the July meeting. but he has any changes, or you like to make a motion. or might be happy to. But I wasn't at the meeting. So I feel like we're making a motion.

[2:00] making a motion to approve the meeting minutes. Yeah, send me point of order. If we, if he is refusing himself, are you refusing yourself on approving? I can vote cause I read the minutes. But I feel like we're making the most. Okay, yeah, we are you available to second that motion? I second that motion. Alright, I'll I'll configure the July appropriately. The July 2023 meeting minutes. That was our approach. And just to note, we have a lot of call from the public in the meeting. They're off screen, and I know that some of your interviews for the leadership pipelines. And that's gonna be about an hour into the agenda. Just so get yourself comfortable. Relax. Welcome to city process. And we have.

[3:01] Why not with it signed up? We have one person signed up right now. It's Robert. Hi! Can you say one thing first. Since we don't have little things. Should we introduce ourselves? My name is Bruce Borowski. Welcome everybody. I'm Caroline Kurtz and George Ashman. I'm y'all aid Yale. and then we have one more Commissioner who will be like district. Oh, oh, excellent Maria! Hi! We are introducing ourselves. We have a number of visitors in the office space with us. So if you'd like to say, Hi. Hi, everyone, I'm Maria Cole. Excellent. We have one other Commissioner, who's gonna be a little bit late, probably around 6 30. Alright. So we have one person signed up. if that's pressure.

[4:03] Hello, everyone. My name is Robert, from a co-founder, artistic art and choreographer from lemon Spanish contemporary public. And I'm here today just to reintroduce myself to people I don't know people who haven't seen us in person. So the time yeah. Let me start first. you know. Upcoming performance September at the very center for the Us. And this performance came out after a residency at, do you? Just in July? And it's part of the work I do so. There's still another part in the beginning of September. Today. I just wanted to say also, we are now 26 year, and we are one of the only companies who travel and perform nationally and internationally, and being written, operate several times in the new times.

[5:07] Just to remind you. Otherwise, just also, thank you to the ask commission for the fantastic volunteer work. You're doing it. And yeah, that's actually cheap and see that in the just remind everyone. Also, if you are want to be updated, please sign up on Newsletter. We cannot subscribe to. And maybe I need some postcards here for you to take. And just again I just encouraging you to see what we are doing in live in a live performance. Thank you. 25 years is a long time. So thank you for all the work you do for the arts community.

[6:12] And Jennifer I'm with the Older Artists Association, and we are turning 100. Found it in 1923 and then found it as nonprofit in 1925. We're going to have several events between now and of course, 1925. So, starting with this December, we're kind of wanting the 2019 23 revisited series. We do an 8 by 8, where we invite all artists in the community to make an anybody. If you do have other art, you can submit to other pieces.

[7:09] That will be jury. But if Rob wants definitely our gallery, so submit that but also it's going to be a journey. So it's gonna be a long time. So I'm also curious about. But other businesses not at this time. 3. That's a very interested in history, both indigenous black, Hispanic. So many of those, so probably very few of them, in 1923. But if they exist. that would be helpful to know. and then, if not, it gives us a chance to comment on that, because we're doing series of present and teacher. So I'm in charge of the future. So indigenous Futurism is gonna be my topic inspired by Virgil Ortiz. If you go to history, Colorado, which is so, I love that. And then there was one other thing. Oh, yes, in October

[8:05] I'm gonna kick off the future of the series with a talk on AI and Art. So if you're gonna be part of our future. You really need to be part of the conversation today. That means so if there's any AI experts that you might put in touch with, I'd love to do some interviews, but we and Ed not that's it. So join us to be approving here the sink think? Yes. sure and just as a reminder. This meeting usually runs till 8, but we are likely to run closer to 8 30. Alright.

[9:14] My turn here. Welcome, I'm in a lot

[10:05] involved. I'm super happy to be here, and I give not a presentation. How much time do I have? 20 min, 20 min. Okay, can you tell me. I mean, I can go for hours. So this is a presentation. We have created, and we have share with the board multiple people. But this is our tagline for this funded facility and powering community to art, and I will talk a little later about that, and let me give you a little history, and and I would, Matt, thank you for for your introduction. I would say the city has been perfect, very helpful over the years by facilitating a facility for us to grow and thrive. We are driving these days, and with you know, serving a really and large a group of people 170,000 people a year through a a team class locations, and that somewhere around 21 exhibitions and class, and

[11:16] in the not just in Boulder. But in the Denver Metro area and over the 10 years or last 10 years, we have really grown exponentially this year. We're still learning 52 years and 50 years. Thirteenth Street. So it's me a fantastic, fantastic journey. So let's go to next slide. This is the mission of creativity and foster community to contemporary art. And we do this through our exhibitions and education programs, authentication programs and curing boulder. And in November metro area. And we see ourselves in not only certain boulder, but also the region facility funding. We have programs as far as Bennett, which is 60 miles from Boulder, downtown boulder and South, as in South as Douglas County.

[12:19] So next slide talks a little about the vision. This is to become a leader in the global conversation or contemporary culture. Now they find invoice for creativity and innovation. It's region. And we they're welcoming diverse aesthetics and perspectives remote, a 6 to provide an inclusive forum for investigation of contemporary, and what a twenty-first century museum can be for its community and kind of this is a little of a segue What really inspire us to kind of start exploring and other facilities. Although we're grateful for the partnership we have had city, we felt that the current facility has a lot of limitations with the type of programming that we can bring.

[13:06] you know. And but next II wanna share a little going back to that was rigid plan and that was approved by the board. 2020 identify 5 areas. And artistic, excellent. It's simply fine. Exceptional temporary art reach meet people where they are. That's something that's very important for us. Wanna go to our audience. We don't wanna wait anymore for the audience to. That's why we expand our exhibition programs. And we're having programs right now in Aurora, in Adams County. And

[14:11] and and that's also one of the reasons why we felt going back to our routes. We were founded by group of local artists, 1972, and going back to North Boulder over 2 over 200 artists, is It's very important. To the organization and then place an infrastructure which is still the human resources and capital resources necessary to launch email got to its next level of mission impact and focus it focusing on the evolution of the flagship facility. And we do have 2 more goals on this strategy plan, which is community leadership. And now the audience center experience that we've been doing all this and basically very important. This has been the mandate from the board to do all this through the lenses of diversity, equity, access, and inclusion. So in some way, as you can see the dai, it's kind of around and surrounding the mission it's embedded into. We call it a remote DNA.

[15:15] And so these are some of the the mandates that the board and approving train training after kind of starting to kind of do exploration about what would mean for institution to have an expanded facility, and and we were able to obey into our strategic plan which will last until 2,024. And so this goes to next slide, and particularly as I mentioned to you. And then, if place and infrastructure build the necessary infrastructure to execution 22 for the volition of the flagship facility. So when I give a little little background in 2016 we invested significant dollars, and we do a feasible study and architectural several locations, and

[16:11] that develop into a document that kind of informed the board and staff on possible and options for an extensive facility. Next slide. I wanna share with you a little about a little about the we want the outreach. So we have the flagship, which is on 1750, 50 Street. We have programs in the north west corner of the building. We have a small triangular space where we explore the forefront of temporary public art, and we've been partnering with one more the plasa, bringing contemporary art installations to the class sign front of the building.

[17:06] and if you have attended Macky and events at Macky for the last 10 years, and you have seen art and artworks of art on the Fourier. That's we've been doing that for last 20 the last 10 years, and we do one in the spring, or one before and then, you see the other projects. We have anything libraries or alcohol libraries, Jefferson libraries, and where we are partnering with them and those counties and bringing in art exhibitions and our experiences to those communities. More recently, we kind of launched internal services where we are providing basically the Worcesters itself, curatorial services. We are helping developers select our work for the buildings we are working, and we have been selected to select all their work in partnership with the developers and the the company that it's going to be

[18:08] running the Hill Hotel, which is the Marriott and our work for the rooms, and we entry the bobby and I know the elevator. And then we're doing that with a focus on local artists and bring diverse perspectives and and bring diversity into the artist. And then we been working for the last 3 years and in activating also the Frasier and retirement center, the Arts and Vision Center will be there. So let's go to the next 5 months. This is a little of a history about The efforts that we have put towards expansion. We started to talk about expansion in 2,012, with some see officials at the time. Many, some of you, or many of you might remember, and when he was working on the Civic Center plan

[19:10] in 2,017, we in 2,016, we started also to work on our in this document that I mentioned before was for vision 2022 and expanded facility and in 2,017 started to explore with the city some 6 locations that that documents identify as possible expansion sites for the for the museum. and then, in $2,017,000,000, safety tax and or an expanded facility. And we continue to work with the city, particularly in the city's planning process, and which later in that year the city kind of put on hold and indefinitely say, had some other bigger projects to take care of at the outsome

[20:01] and some other, some other projects, and then the pandemic, and hit so that kind of within the way. The project more, and we had several meetings. as you can see over 50 meetings with city staff, city council and community leaders for alternative options, for for an expanded facility. In 2019, we identify novel was kind of the right location for an extended facility. And we started to have conversations with the with that developer who wanted to explore a partnership with us over there. So let's go to the next slide. And this is some of the locations that will explore. Under the 2022 document explorer next slide. and so through negroes, through conversations with immigrant development and and the partnership that we develop, and more conversations that Andrew Latimi had with the Board and myself

[21:09] we identify. He he's family issues is a background. Information owns 40% of them develop land west of Broadway and north of violet. So Violet is where you have the shining mountain. Was this at the site, the white L reverse L and the horizontal. It's violet, and then the vertical line is Broadway And somebody wanted to start with developing some of the warehouses on on North Boulder. So we started to explore about this possibility, and and just wanna share a little about the site for us. What is exciting about this site is that it's going back to the roots as I share with you, was founded by a group of local artists in 1972. So North Wales House, over 200 plus artists, there's more density than our location

[22:06] and more and diverse income and item and diverse backgrounds with the ponderous and mobile park, holiday meadows. And then the other thing that kind of goes for us was when the the library, district, or library at the time announced that they wanted to be building a library north boulder. There's a lot of signs. And next. so as we continue the conversations with the developer, and we decided to kind of start exploring and the possibility of a campus that would include the museum, and artists leave workspaces, commercial, retail, residential, and outdoor space next slide. So for that process, we started to engage a lot of people in the community, and that will let you a lot lot of community outreach. We hired 2 firms to kind of

[23:03] interview individuals interview leaders. They had a conversation with Matt. They had a conversation with Chris Jones. just to collect it, but not only from city staff and city members that have the community and and community leaders. So all that inform. And these these documents, and and the expanded facility and the notion of Immoka moving to know folder a future Imok, empower community towards. And it's focusing for areas and which are the core and areas that that we work through our nation which are exhibition exhibitions, artists, and creatives, art. education, and investment in boulder vitamin, C, so next slide. And this is some of the work that we did we? As I share with you? We did 35 disability study interviews and 18 community engagement interviews with community leaders and written 5 and first Friday to know what to got, gather feedback from members of older. And then we conducted a survey with 138 respondents

[24:20] next slide. And so this is the the goals of expanded facility. Month. Older vision is to build somewhere on 17,500 building, which would have somewhere around 6,500 square feet of battery space, 4,000 square feet of community space and education area. And then the vision, you know, it's a rooftop restaurant cafe or an open patio with a cover area somewhere around 2,500 destination and and kind of help activate a little more. After using exhibition, you can go up and have coffee.

[25:03] That's the vision right now, the place, Michael, and the ground floor. And there's a lot of things that still need to happen. And so the let's go to the next slide. Thank you. And so we did some some work. Sh work, and with with Jamie, the Susa, which is an architect and the tailor here in boulder, and to kind of help. because they tell me what's the best approach, and and to kind of learn more, for from the planning department and at some point, if city council felt that this was an interesting project here, the thoughts. So we we did some work around how to best program the space. And this are these are just and sketches to gather feedback from planning department. And how can we activate the space. And what would look like. What we were trying to do is kind of

[26:05] activate the imagination of planning and council and and see what's possible on the site. We have not selected an architect yet. So next slide we have some additional views next slide. this talks a little about the work that we have going on right now, we have 3 vectors. We are working with the CD on entitlements process, and basically is what we build how we build it, and there are some challenges that that we need to overcome. And but we got some thumbs up from city council and planning board, which is really exciting on parallel. We're working in the capital company, and then we will be working also on the design and selection of the architect next slide. So the CD process is we submitted. Concept plan in March 20, first planning board, a hearing will receive overwhelming support from them. They kind of recommended that some zoning challenges need to be addressed. So on April twentieth.

[27:12] and Council decided to pick our project because it felt it was large enough and involved with as a a civic organization, and and they wanted to provide additional feedback and July 13, council period and provided over world news support, and on July fourteenth. The daily camera had us on the cover with kind of the thumbs up and and Council gave direction to staff to pan off. Develop kind of a flex zoning to allow the Vcm. To go on that location. So main challenge that we have one of the challenges that we have right now is that of the current zone, for that slot does not allow me. But through the ultra master plan, then Sab and Community and

[28:02] the North Boulder subcommittee plan and see the older plan, the vision of having older walkable neighborhoods bringing art to different areas. It's kind of fits with all the goals of the city, and I'm sorry that I might be over my time. Let's keep going. And, Matt, so this is so. This is kind of we talk that was entitlements. This is the capital campaign. This is really exciting, and we develop a 25 million dollar capital campaign that includes the nation of the land, plus some improvements of the city in the area, and includes some the donation of the land and some money for operations for institutions, and years before we break from some years after after

[29:00] because we we are our organization. But it's really equally support. So that's donations from individuals. So we need to to have that in mind. So today I'm happy to share with you that we have secure 8.7 5 million dollars in pledges and cash and some cash gifts, and somewhere around 3.2 5 million dollars in in pledges from individuals, 1 million dollars from the community text match and 1 million dollars in operations funds and raise. So that's money that we raise for the operations of the museum. Yeah, and then 3.5 million dollars donations. So next slide the selection process we're getting into the selection process with. we are visioning a very open inclusive process, and then a Selection Committee will go back to the Board, recommend in an architect in partnership with the Developer Mission, is to identify one architect for the entire campus and

[30:11] and give the project to to him or her and let's go to next slide. And yes, and then what? To save your ask that democracy to create a new flagship in North Boulder will be large of will be part of a larger mix use created campus with restaurants, commercial, residential outer space and hardest studio space and democracy in the early stages, and of planning and discussion with the city, hope to breakfast, and sometime in 2,027 and and we wanna start talking with CD about is that we will not to continue to have the ground floor for exhibitions and turn the second floor into and work space. And that can be subsidized. And we can provide subsidize to local or zoom profits. So

[31:16] and if you wanna keep updated on and expand the facility, you know. Subscribe at future. So let's count. So I don't know if you have any questions. We're excited to to be here, and Brandon, it's a board member, and I also want to say that, Maria Paul. it's appointed. She has the instrumental for all the work and progress that we have done. So I just want to to highlight all per contributions. And it's been very, very, very helpful to have her in

[32:02] in this, in this process. Awesome thanks for being here. I I'm super excited about it. I don't have any questions, because every question I thought of you answered in that. So does anybody else have questions. Anybody online? I just wanna share. I think, they're tenacious and passionate. And it's just been real pleasure to watch them drive this project forward. I think it's gonna be a tremendous asset for the community. Thank you for all the work she's good. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. Alright. We are going to move on to public our program business and update to

[33:02] supposed to be Tampa. Right? Thanks everybody. We have 3 items today for public art action. The first is an update to the public art implementation plan. This concerns that I'll find Boston Western City campus with a budget of estimated at 1.2 million dollars process to date. On July twentieth staff met with the project team to update the budget, discuss locations and type. Our work update plan is attached to the Memo. Highlights include the budget has increased from an estimated half a million dollars to just over 1 million dollars. We will commission permanent artwork at this site

[34:02] and not conduct. Temporary art projects at this time, and the selection process is set to begin the first quarter speaker. Here's a slides updated possible locations for art. This is definitely an updated from the previous implementation plan site number one is a bridge over a floodway project. Site number 2 is a small closet project site 3 is kind of a gateway project along Broadway 4 is a potential artwork or mural on the side of the check. The garage number 5, both Number 5, their entry winning project potentially to the new city pavilion project site number 6 is again on the corner of Broadway facing the ability and 7 is potentially something on the barrage. You don't envision doing public art works in all of these locations. But these are all possible locations that we'll discuss. Is it? The next steps are for the Commission to approve the update to the implementation plan. and we'll advance that to the city manager's office for approval and

[35:10] hopefully kick off the selection process in early 2024. Great. any questions. I'm wondering if you say more about the increase in the budget. This is the the original plan that's conducted for covid and construction costs the entire construction budget has increased, and that so based estimate with that number. Any other questions. Brendan, I have a question. I wonder if sometime, maybe not at the tip of your fingers right now. But it may be a future meeting. If you could show the flow chart

[36:02] of the public art selection process to the new Commissioners. This is the proposed motion. But 6 and 3 reports. Yeah. I'd also like to see. I know we've we're missing one permission number and if there's any earning interest to serve as the Art Commissioner of the Selection Committee. and if not, be able to answer now. We can do that later, but throwing it out there

[37:02] so I don't know where I wanted to speak to that or no, I just I think you've your question was, does anyone have any questions about the process? And I just was wondering the new commissioners may not know that you have this flow chart. So I thought it might be helpful to. and maybe point to where you are in the process. You're probably right here at the beginning right step one last month to review the budget. Review. The timeline review sites for our then hopefully, the next, you know. by the end of the year. Early next year we'll kick off the selection process, which is of talking with that selection panel. really determining where we want to spend that money. I'm imagining, probably a handful of projects, maybe not 7 or 8 that was pictured in the diagram, but maybe a handful with different sizes of budgets and different types of artworks, and we can really diversify that campus and then we get some community participation and engagement

[38:01] and then come back to you all with it. It's essentially Paul. So then we'll advertise that call. Artists will apply. The committee will select finalists who will create proposals for us. At that point. We will take the the selected proposal back out to the community for some additional engagement. and then back to you all for the final selection. and then back to the city manager. Then we put the artists under, or several artists under contract to actually design fabricated installment. And that's all. And that's all great. So see? Right? I'll I'll I'll make the motion. I move that we recommend this the city manager approve the update to the public art implementation plan, as it relates to the Alpine Balsam Western City Campus Project.

[39:13] I'll second all in favor. Yes, thank you. Thank you. Any advice for success does. It's very many haven't really served on this kind of capacity yet. So but time? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's totally fine. But just decided on the one part next door. over a hundred 100 went from over 100 20. Yeah. Oh.

[40:04] so. One process. Oh. no. I wish I had put one do this one thing from the our commission perspective, looking in and getting to kind of review the process of back end. So that number. yeah, that was part of the Belmont Rain garden. So I've been through the process as well that you you handle it very nicely. Yeah, I just don't want to do it alright if I could. Yeah, real quick. this is one of the biggest commissions we have in a decade. More than so you know your advice as this process goes once here.

[41:00] because so it's it's a lot of money. The public trust is there. But it also has the potential to be really impactful. So updates the packet, you know, make sure that the community like sharing and helping this make this room. It's gonna be great, I think, like I said, I imagine, more like 4 to 5 different projects, but one selection panel. So if you, if you do volunteer, it'll be 4 projects with potential above for 100 each client so definitely recommend. Like it, it takes time, but it's worth it to cross-check. you know. making sure the application actually. And something said.

[42:01] So the Archbishop Houston. So yes. definitely check references. Check after work right? Next matter of business. We have 2 interested standing selection panel members. We'd like to join the panel. Nikki weighs Radamakers and Steven Frost. They both attended the august standing selection panel meeting maria was also an attendance service on that panel. They did not vote on any official business, but we're there to just offer some professional expertise and opinions. But they're both excited to join the panel. Their resumes were both attached to the Memo

[43:06] Nikki wrap Nikki. You always try to maker. She's the creative event and festival production producer, and Steven Frost is a working artist and a few other professor that was motion. Anybody like to make a motion? I'll make that we. I move that we approve. Mickey Eways. Radmakers, and Stephen Frost join the statement selection panel bringing membership number up to fire any discussion. Sorry. I can just add that they're fantastic. In that first meeting they didn't miss a beat, and they had fantastic resources and good ideas, so I would highly recommend them.

[44:08] Thanks for that, Maria. Yes. all right, all in favor. Let's see. Messes. Thank you. Right? Final item. Public are the accession of an untitled call. Fourteenth. There's kind of a memorable fuzzy map for you the process to date in January of 2,013 artist, Michelle Lee was hired. create more artistic fight back. I was held there, 12 contractors executed that we're installed with 2013 last month. Senior leadership asked the office for safety and maintenance issues and consider options, including the accession and the work is to creating, and I'll show you

[45:03] after discussing the issue with the artist, it became clear that she is an agreement that the work should be deaccession. and she requested anything that'll be recycled artwork and request recycled if possible. Here's couple photos. See? It's cracking and kind of decaying at the edges and at the base. So kind of reasons for our dig session. The work is made from Corey, and it's a resin material, and it's not holding up the elements to the elements or vandalism. It's not possible to repair, and complete replacement is not feasible due to cost and artists interest. The site has also changed since installation. Bike racks were installed adjacent to the work, and the artist is in full agreement that the work has lived its functional life to be removed for safety and meetings.

[46:00] questions. I'm wondering just in terms of future installations, if that was something that you were aware of with that material at the rate that it did not same process. again, I think you know this was a $10,000 project. I think. Artists, she told me she learned a lot from the project, and I think it did was something interesting to highlight pro-cycling, downtown folder. Would we commission something similar on the same material? I think it's kind of a case by case basis. Chlorate is not really the most variable material, and it's really hard to repair. So that case we have to fully replace. But again, doesn't preclude us from in the future. Potentially looking at proposals.

[47:07] I just like to say that you're right, that it was commissioned before we had a public guard policy, before we had a public art professional. And so I think the problem it's been solved. There's a really basic solution. I I'm very confident the reason that the damage happened is because of so maintenance and so a simple raising on a plants would have solved that problem. And so this is really, you know it. It is. It is a learning curve. We don't. But because Brenda's money district over a contract. It's not happening selection material. I'm certainly not offering it any other questions

[48:02] right? There's a motion for us. I I'm so sorry, Brendan. I would prefer if we've been this a little bit enough recycling metals as possible. I just feel like we're gonna move forward with that with the 10. Sure, but not to have that sort of organized in your decision. Yeah, that that puts a different sort of weight on it. And so we're we're gonna take that very seriously. Let's change that. I think no worries. Alright. Is there anybody who would like to make a motion? Sorry about that. We're good. Oh, no! I move that we do. Session. The untold artwork known as artistic bike rack by Michelle Lee from the boulder. Public art fashion.

[49:07] Oh, so excellent! I mean, further discussion. is there gonna be made any note in the process of like as a learning lesson? You're not calling it. Or we need to look. yeah, definitely. Yeah. it's definitely working. And then and the artist was very. She kind of is waiting for the thing to call to say she knew at this time. so she did say. It was a great learning experience. She learned a lot. It's a fun project, but it was time. So, but yeah. any advice for success? We're in discussion. So any other points of discussion before we take a look alright, all in favor passes unanimously.

[50:00] You started to say something. No, I was just asking if you had any other advice for success, or I just want to say that I really appreciate that. You guys were able to get hold of ours and get input. And I am the artist. Eleventh. right? Very much. Thank you. Excellent. okay, I think we're gonna take just a quick little logistical break here. Because we are gonna move into the grants program. And the first thing is to have our interviewees or the leadership pipeline grant. We're gonna there are some space on the side. And then we're gonna do an a really awkward, formal stereo in the face. But as this opens up, feel free to confine the space

[51:14] I know I'm enjoying.

[52:09] Thank you. I will wait for Georgia questions. and how you know. Maybe I don't want. I don't. I am not going to, sir.

[53:05] No, I'm not. And I'm actually 30. We're talking about. Have lots of times it comes back. I've never been. Oh, yeah. there's probably somebody who's going who has that same one. So on. If you stick around I'd be happy to chat with you.

[54:03] Perfect. I'm just waiting for Georgia with that. what? I what I can start with. Okay, excellent. Alright. So thank you guys all for being here? Speak on behalf of the Commission and say, we, we recognize it takes a lot of time, effort, energy to fill out the application and get a referral show up here. Yeah, public zoom call so we really appreciate the process. I'll go through process a little bit. But the Commissioners have all read your application packets and some of the Commissioners have submitted. Some follow up questions to you guys. And we're gonna sort of attack this all by category. So we're gonna have a couple of 4 main categories of of questions that will ask you to answer questions. And then there may be some follow up questions

[55:18] for individuals that that will will handle with you guys. So we'll go through each of our prepared questions. And then we'll for the Commissioners. If there's something that we haven't covered. If you have a burning question, or follow up on time after, after gone through all the prepared questions for that and then we will take some time to discuss and have a vote. So I do ask that. You guys bear with us because we have about a half an hour on the agenda and a lot of things to ask you about a lot of cool projects that has put before us. So we're gonna put a few time boxes on the discussion. So between a minute to a minute and a half answers as well

[56:04] kind of give you a heads up against as you go into that And I think with that we're going to just jump into it. Oh, and before we start. Lauren, for the help of commissioners, as we listen to these responses, is going to help us sort of frame our mindset by hard is all about pensions. And right? So this is a new fund. And thank you for playing. I'm just going to read. The professor here provides financial support and professional development opportunities for emerging leaders who will focus their career in the arts on increasing diversity, improving equity, and elevating the voices of historically, of the representative groups in the arts and culture sector, the fellowship will. funding for individuals and extending undergraduate graduate studies or other joining leadership training programs and for taking in opportunities that will help recipients gain the skills and connections necessary to succeed in our leadership.

[57:10] The program section criteria will consider a number of factors, including but not limited to applicants, identifies a member of a minority group and a commitment to pursuing a career in arts, leadership preference be given to applicants who have limited access to traditional leadership opportunities due to financial, social or cultural barriers and keep alright real quick. Say your name. So I can write it down and know who's talking. So my name is Meg York, MEGY ORK. V trombie, LEET. RONE. LY. Ellen Allen, A. LLEN. Jessica Bertrand. Awesome. Thank you. And we have one Commissioner who joined us after the meeting started.

[58:07] Thank you so much here. Yeah. Okay, so here's the question. One of the main purposes of this event is to help improve opportunities for all employees. will you, each and 90 s or less how these group plans will help you increase diversity in truth. art and culture sector, particularly. what cool

[59:03] and diversity is very much lacking is starting a program where graduate students will go out into the community and work with more intentionally between high school students and low school students, so I know. But as far as older high schools there is much larger metropolitan area to know more about what we do in the dance department. So I believe that you know, we talk a lot about diversity. But it's a different thing. The bodies are actually in space. So I want to get more of this next generation. just aware of what we do. I think that was further a the bullet community. You know, being seen by community members. And so

[60:01] the more we can get yeah, just a better representation. I'm sorry. I know just real quick. Everyone could speak up so that the microphone, except for people. Well, I wish but now we're running off this microphone. It's on the laptop. and you're finished 1 s. Thank you. Excellent! oh. so I would use the funds towards the Cu graduate program in Arts Administration. And I. So I run art modeling work, fine art. model agency. our model is performing art. And we serve artists. our institutions. And basically well. I would use it to advance what I'm already doing. With that

[61:03] inclusion which I'm proud to. We have about 40 fish models give or take and who across the board we represent marginalized groups from low on the totem pole. and it would just, I believe it would help me be more successful. Running the program we collaborate with other organizations and cities. We do projects. So I applied to this grant as an individual and educational journey, graduate degree in art, history and American studies English? But I would also use some of those funds to allow myself to continue doing kind of

[62:04] doing. I usually spend my summers as well as school time. If I'm available to work a lot of unpaid internships. And while I'm really thankful for those opportunities and connections that they provide they also have their own barriers. For getting to meetings car as well as I really like to go the extra mile and use I still social media. I think that's something that every job so it might work for themselves. But I do have to pay for my own camera if we edit software. and it's something that I feel really passionately about my community. Very dearly. So I think this would make it a lot more accessible to do so, as far as diversity in particular.

[63:06] it's something that I consider myself to be incredibly passionate about holders already, and so really, it's the hard stop to reflect there. I really love working through North Boulder specifically, because I believe that's something very critical to their mission. So being able to provide my best work for them is really important to me. Okay. alright. So my name is Meg, and I'm a clarinet player. and I play with Palestinian, Jewish, Israeli. Moroccan. North Indian Nepalese musicians. And I've been doing programs here in Denver, and older. Sorry older for several years. In fact, this year I've had 3 large events that have live music for dance, including bringing in a Syrian

[64:00] percussionist curating his classes online for 3 years. So it's great to bring him and his dear friend. And that was right up here at Columbine Unity Church. I also play for Palestinian awareness program with. She no longer lives here, but she's dear friend for a long time. So the equity piece is my ensemble. My ensemble is named Tajamal Taj translation and Arabic and Farsi, and they should know those are too boring opponents. So I'm burnt out personally. So the reason I applied for this emerging artist, Grant is, you know, I'm I'm at the top of my game. I mean, I play really well. I have lots of lots of communities all along the front range. I do outreach Aurora with Afghan women and elders at second home. It's all

[65:00] but I need some fresh juice, so the funds would apply to go to Crete for 8 weeks. to study at the Labyrinth school of Music, which is the only mobile school of music in the world that I know that I'd like to attend. It's run by Ross Bailey. Who's this incredible musician? And specifically, that's what I have in mind. I'm also a an ambassador for the musical ambassador to piece, which is a nonprofit here in Boulder. In fact, all these anniversaries we've been talking about. We've been around 20 years. So we're going to have a big gala in December. So come to that. So we'll we'll ask you that. Yeah, wrap it up. Yeah, I know. So that's it. Oh. alright! Have a question from me. we have Commissioner specifically wondering about your current residency. Where do you foresee spending most of your time next year.

[66:06] Well, I do. I do projects all along the Front Range, and I also do projects actually outside of the State and internationally, but in terms of my folder programming. A. My main percussion is that I love to play with lives and room field, and we do programming here in Boulder County. We have a large event in December, hopefully at the Avalon. It's not confirmed. and then I've also been invited to be a soloist at the boulder, Balkan bash. And there's some other programs, too. So oh. yeah.

[67:01] But alright. So we'll okay. So the next question is related to the specific programs that you're money tour. And the question is, how does that specific that you're that you're gonna be attending or creating? How does that contribute to your career plans in Boulder. And if you're not certain that you're gonna remain here or make a little bit of delay before you come back, how is it going to support us while we're not here? And so 90 s. And let's start. Let's start with you, and we'll move that way again. Okay, administration. And I'm already in art administration for my own business. But I hope that besides helping me with my own business, which is

[68:02] helping others, that it will put me in a better position to serve on board, such as the Member District Board, of which I've been the unofficial. I'm not a board member, but I've been the meeting scribe for 5 years. And I'd love to serve on them at a point in the future when I feel like I have more table. also just collaborating with different organizations in the arts. being able to. Sorry I am so much better. I'm well written. What I learned can triple down into our community. And I've been here for 30 years, except for small stint in California. There. We raise 3 kids here, and we're not going anywhere.

[69:03] Older settings group. Certainly. So. I attend Kobe College in Maine. It's a small of our school, and like I said, I'm an art history, major. There, actually a really big pull factor for me. Choosing to go to Colby is it's considered to have the best state of Maine something that I just really excited to go explore. But as I major and work with my advisor she showed me a lot of opportunities to work within the museum. So there are curating internships there. As well as just being able to take full advantage of the liberal arts. Kind of education is something that's really important to me. I want to graduate being a well grounded and experience person as much as I can be. When I moved to Maine, I certainly anticipated missing my family. but I didn't anticipate as hitting, so is how much I would miss Folder it's

[70:00] impact emotionally. So while my permanent residence it's a bit delayed for summer and trying to be really. that's so much I feel like I accomplished that this summer working district as well as working with Senator Cutter out of Jackson County. It's been a great privilege there. Oh, we're just testing how if you are going to be deleted, your return, how it's gonna support folder most definitely. So like I said, I really wanna make most of my education experience. which is excellent. And II hope to have the skills to be able to jump right into an artistic career in boulder. I feel really certainly in my connections. Make them and yeah, I think it would just help

[71:01] myself a better person, and I hope to tool there. Thank you. Yes, okay, would you repeat the question? I sure will return. What are we doing about that? No, I do program it in folder, because that'd be. This particular program is rejuvenate as a musician. and it's an ensemble leader because I can make it up. It's like a long. For a long time. I haven't classical music background, but what I really love to do is to feature refugee and immigrants. music and dance. And so I've done a good job of that. But going to the vibrant school, they have it dial in, I mean, they have people from all over the world. There I would participate in an ensemble of musicians, and

[72:11] that are playing modal music for dance from all over the world. I mean, I'm just getting chills thinking about it. So I would come back, and I would have that, that fresh perspective and this international connections. And I could bring some of those people here in the future like I do the title that would be one of my my specific goals is to make international connections for this city. Great. That's it. So I'm in my going to my third here of the graduate program. So I've been planning on but I'm really interested in taking some of what

[73:01] you know what we have in our curriculum, using our graduate students to go ahead and shape it so we can go out into the community. So I started that within this fall. and then hope that by the spring that this program can kind of take form. So if I'm able to stay here, I would love to work in our department arts, administrative side. Just because I've been working with a lot of different outreach organizations and within your areas work for Cleopatra Robinson and a few others. And yeah, if I get to stay here. I want to keep that going, but it's not. I want to use this as a pilot. alright. So we've got some follow up questions on this topic, for I think, possibly okay. actually, Lee, I think that you answered in your in your answer already.

[74:05] Jessica. I think he covered your question. And you covered it and Ellen, there were some questions about you. Had some options about what might happen to our modeling. So one of the options Commissioner had a question about was like, you might sell the business, and how would you see the grant benefiting older that were to happen?

[75:03] Backup plans? Part of modeling is where my heart is and what I've been working so hard for for the last 6 years. So you know, it would take a lot for to shut it down. So that those those are just backup plans. I want to be able to be employed in the arts, no matter what. So if we fail, if it fails, I wanna be able to somewhere else and work with people in the arts here in Boulder. And I think that's to those ends. Thank you for clarifying that we're gonna yes. The next question is about the framework that the frameworks that are already in place for your expected use of the grant. We'd like to have each and 60 s or less tell us about the specific program you want to put the funds for if there are

[76:01] premises to enter in the program. what are they? Is that clear. So so we'll start with sure. So like I said, a lot of it will go to my school. Which is obviously in the museum, but the one that I have been looking at specifically would be your. With that I would be able to shadow and voice my opinion with security. I specifically think that's powerful in galleries. Not only is it representing one artist, but it also creates a space within the community. That increases

[77:10] spaces. And I think that the grant would continue to help you to do that. Specifically, in the curing internship. There's an exhibit that's being made surrounded. They're actually removing summer, so it'll get started in the spring, which is when I would take on that internship. So that's the particular one I would not. Great. Thank you. So I'm gonna this is 67 or less. So when we get to 50 s, I'm gonna do this. Okay, you're all doing great. But it's going a lot more than which we don't have a big cost to to show you where you're at. So

[78:01] okay, thanks. Oh, beautiful question, sure. And what are they? And where are you in the process? So the labyrinth will use a concrete is. It's a 35 Year Institution. That's been there. But, like I just said 35 years. Sorry verbally, this is really hard for me. I wish I could just play clarinet for you guys. Regardless if you have to know your way around the idiom before they'll accept you. So I'm already at a pretty masterful level with my musicianship. What I'm going to garner from this is these questions that I was talking about. It's going to cost me about $10,000 to go and spend the whole 8 weeks there. It's about $1,500

[79:04] a week for the tuition. and the room and board is very recently priced, but the grants not gonna cover all of that. I've already taken some of their online classes. I actually know some of the faculty personally. and I have no problem getting in. I look forward to going so with our program, there is some money to recruitment. But not for us. Bring people to our program. right? But not so much for having students go out. So this these funds will allow to help support graduate students with transportation. The possibly teaching workshops there. graduate students don't make much money. If it's not for credit over some type of funding, it's really hard to get us out really good use of our time. So it's a way to help coral

[80:01] and sure graduate students. Money will pay for graduate students to go out into other communities to start get pretty interesting, possible recruitment people to tap into our program. So graduate students, right now, we do majority of the teaching and we're kind of. So I registered it. getting graduate students to go out and into the that's the next to help school. Yes, okay. okay. So that you have a more diverse. So who gets the money? If you, if you were to get awarded the university? No, not the university from right now we have about 4. So we have statements for Grant Tor. That's something that happens in our spring, and that's also another grant opportunity. So not from the university, but something that allows students to go out and try to

[81:09] here. so that one like you go to a school that teach something that you pay yourself to be there graduate program, art administration certificate. administration. And I've already been accepted. And this is the program that you guys are hoping that people use funds for recommending and the funds would basically just cover it. So I wouldn't need to come up with anything actually present

[82:00] and couldn't afford to. Okay. that's okay. It's just It starts on Monday. No pressure. So we are there. Specific classes at Colby. That will. I didn't really inform you. Future work most definitely so. for the major requirements, because I'm also another major and a minor correct the the classes that I'll take so as far as next year. I'm taking class in American art which I'm especially interested in. I hope you can find out that my other really, the class is all about diversity. Throughout American history.

[83:01] History is very diverse in terms of and there are also specific classes around methods, research as well as like to work with artists and be industry as a curator or reporting. Yes. I will say education, because most professors well experienced in the career. There's also a lot of class. And then, Jessica. do you have a sense of what the faculty information is to change the requirements for the yes. So so currently, there's justified because we are such advanced teachers got a lot of

[84:01] experience in that. So I've been in talks already with them to propose changing that to outreach so that it can be more beneficial if that is a requirement that you want to have to take. And they like that. Yeah. And then the second question, she'll answer that and then, like, have you. I guess, asking again, Where are you with the application process? Have you applied, a bit accepted. Oh, and do you know what the acceptance rate is? Well, if you play at a certain level. it's open to have anybody place a certain level of tent. So I've been accepted. I just don't know exactly when the class is going to be, but it's going to be some time between April and July summer next year. So my plan is to go over. And and now I take the classes on Creed.

[85:04] But I actually have an outreach opportunity and the area outside of Athens affected by the earth. So I'm gonna be doing some outreach there with Greek. According to this long time. I'm really looking forward to connections. Does that answer your question? Yes, okay. alright. So the last question setup questions is about relationships. Both inside the organization that you work with, or with other older leaders, members. So we'd like to hear from each of you, and you'll have 60 s about the degree to which you're connected with communities, organizations and artists of color, or under represented communities and start with me. Sure. So my ensemble has.

[86:06] Immigrants are refugees, first generation immigrants from the whole Front range. So I have nephews, musicians. I have a couple of Baha'i refugee. I don't know behind. It's very It's a reform version of this one. And so these people were kicked out of Iran. Actually, it's not my story to tell, but they've had a perfect situations, and they read poems during my program to play beautiful mobile music underneath them. let's see who else I've had Kurdish play in my programs. I've had people in my band. It's not like I go out and say, Oh, your personal color say, you're the best musician I know. That's like small music. So yeah, enough time. Yeah, that's what you're saying. I'll do the same thing. I'll make sure. Thank you, sir.

[87:03] Alright, yeah. So my professor was simply helped me and understand with my aesthetics and my balance as far as teaching and education is concerned, leadership. Wilkins is another big semester. This helps me start to streamline what that could look like. outside of boulder again I work for the so that is another beautiful way that I've seen black education. So yeah. especially when I've already so connections I've made in Boulder when I've got back into the arts. After taking time off wayward on my life journeys. I did an internship for 6 months with Boulder County Arts Alliance with Charlotte Osasso and Crystal Palace.

[88:10] and then after that I got a job at the Arts hub performing arts. I don't know for me arts, but the arts hub in Lafayette. I worked there for a few months, but I was already starting art modeling. My ideas, and I needed to break out and do something about that. So And they were hard drive, so I let them then Charlotte recommended the Nobel art district as the meetings, not just the meeting scribe, but to help take the load off of Lisa, who's overburdened work in the arts? Thank you.

[89:00] So my connections that I've made in boulder or something that I feel really strongly in all the organizations that I listed under website. Still, very contact with. It's not regularly work for. One of those. One of the things I like to do to maintain my connections, which I should do after I build them is to create joint activities. So. for example, folder organizations. Right now, I'm working on connecting interests. And while I try to explore different opportunities, usually those are very grounded in those interests. And so I'm able to, I think, connect them a little bit more. For example, like I worked with apple accounting directly, but during my time there I also worked with oasis from Colorado. To make sure that I maintain connections as well.

[90:03] Thank you. Do you have room in your suitcase? Come on, let's go so I just wanna clarify. Would you be using this money to pay other people and and tell me in one sentence for what paying them and yourself for what? For their for their teaching and outreach to help

[91:03] than our current department. to get people to apply to graduate school and dance over. Not graduate school undergraduate. Okay, I'm just II have a disconnect here. is it appropriate for me to just engage in conversation. Okay. I'm just trying to help help me to understand. I guess the easy way to ask the question is, why the hell doesn't see you paying great question. That's a great question and a lot of what I've been since I've been here over the last 2 years. And I'm constantly getting that. We don't have enough staff. We don't have enough funds. We don't have enough people but right now, before students that are graduate students right now we are all for color. And so I think

[92:07] to have the change of Usc happen. We need more of us present and so I feel like the only way that I can ensure that that happens is for sending us out to the community. Thank you. And Ellen. There was a follow up question I missed. I'm sorry. Just a clarifying question about the ownership. and if you can clarify or see more about the degree of involvement like your husband and daughter, are they owners or operators or anything. My husband, Patrick, is the biggest volunteer. He's our sole volunteer and I constantly look together, and we brainstorm and talk about business every day. But it's definitely my creation, and I'm 51% owner. You want to put it that way. I've already looked into trying, you know, seeing if I'm eligible for different certifications, and it looks like being a woman

[93:06] because he is not involved more than 50. Well, I mean well, I'm well, it's registered as a limited liability Yup company, not corporation, and all of our clients, which is universities and colleges. Our centers consider me a sole proprietor. They say it's one in the same, and they're all on my social, and it's so provider. So I mean, all we do is final taxes together, and we have the union of marriage for 20 years. But yeah, it's my 80. Any other follow-up questions she can. So alright I just I just noticed in your application that you called yourself a black for that. Say, and that's

[94:01] I think. And then, yeah, that's the clarify question, I think, from the black man and have children that are mine biologically. alright. So thanks again for being here. And what we're gonna do now is the Commission will invite you guys. Leave some space at the the table you're welcome to see in the room. It's an open public meeting. We're gonna have a little discussion. It's it's awkward cause we're gonna be talking about you. So we really want you to understand that. I think this is gonna be really super hard decision and kudos to you guys for all having either card and giving us options. And please don't take anything that is discussed, or any decisions we make as as an idea that you're not. You don't have a worthy idea or

[95:16] opportunity that you presented. So As with everything we do. We wish we had the money. Alright. So let's invite you guys to what's your preference? Okay.

[96:15] guide the discussion from there. So we have 2 brands to give out for $8,000 each. So if we each consider ourselves to have 2 votes, I'll just run down the names, Commissioner, and use your 2 votes as as you initially think you may want to go with this? Can I ask for something before? It might be helpful, at least for me to see the the criteria criteria that we're supposed to be evaluating one last night before we go. Sure can you? Are you?

[97:24] Most question I have. The board is back. Okay? So one question I had was when I looked back at the July meeting, and we kind of dug it to like. What is this all about? Get it to? And we had a clarification that said that this grant is intended for our leaders early in their career. But I'm not sure if that was communicated in the in there specific. because I think we talked about well, we do say we said both undergraduate graduate and then emerging leaders throughout. So you know, somebody has shifted

[98:20] in. Your business person doesn't like it was, I think we just frankly was a very short time to have out a call of this kind. I'm I'm I'm happy that we got 4 applicants in a month instead of our usual like months of buildup and advertising and things. So did you get what your questions were answered? Yeah, yeah, thank you. So what's young in their career?

[99:03] Bruce? Bruce? Is there any chance you can share that print out on the screen? Let's see, so provides financial support and professional development opportunities for emerging leaders who will focus their career in the arts on increasing diversity, improving equity, and elevating the voices of historically underrepresented groups in the arts and culture sector. The scholarship will provide funding for individuals attending undergraduate or graduate studies, joining leadership training programs and partaking in internship opportunities that will help scholarship recipients being the skills and connections necessary to succeed in arts, leadership, roles, and the rest. I'll let you read off the screen.

[100:24] You know I love what Jessica is all about, but it feels that I feel like I'm giving. See? I'm writing a check to see older, for to do something they should be doing. because what she's doing is she's trying to get more people to apply to see which is interested in pipeline starts.

[101:00] If if those students would stay true and that it aren't we looking for arts, admin not to learn to be advanced, or you know I'm going to the extreme here. I'm just trying to make a point. Tell tell me. I'm wrong for that, because what she's gonna go out and get students that would have paid alright. And I also see it as just to continue the thought is that that this is funding leadership, and for somebody to to be asking, and they over again to then create her own way out. What they're providing is leadership like that's I mean. No, no, it's not like working leadership for sure. I just want to comment on that. Yes.

[102:00] see you other than that, I think. See, you would be giving credit. which I think would be their justification. So then the second is just to help with the going out average so that they don't need to get another job. I just wonder if that falls more into the hearts and education branch. Not not this. III to be clear. It's a great thing that she's trying to do. It's important, and see we should be doing it. I just try to figure out how it fits into the scope of what we're assigned to do. I have alright. Yes. Yeah. Can you hear me? First of all okay, amazing. So I'm also conflicted. So I'll throw my confliction rate into the ring as well. Because I do agree that

[103:04] they are forging a path that doesn't exist. So like, see, you was like, we're not gonna do this. And they were like, well, then, I'm gonna do it anyways. So II appreciate that. But also it does we? The reason we like rework this whole? This whole application was because originally we felt like we were giving men into Cu, and then I also do agree with Bruce, like, maybe this would be better for an arts education, Grant, so I don't have any answers. I'm just saying I'm also conflicted. So make sure that it's a good time. The clarification is, it doesn't specific call arts administration. It doesn't. So you know you don't have to stand off. Thank you. And then the the

[104:01] little opinion that I have is around the conversation of See, who should be investing in this which is important that you talk about, but not in this context, in my opinion, because well, I think, see, you should be providing free tuition everyone. and you would still give a scholarship to someone with right, and so their decisions may not be pertinent to making a choice on in this regard. But maybe it's something you could ask of university as a commission. If you wanna find out more about what they fund, why, you can ask them to answer questions so that I think that should be separate. So yeah. And I appreciate that. Thank you for saying that here we are, yes, and trying to to vote in in an appropriate manner. So explain to me how what Jessica is trying to do falls into what I just read. I'm not making an argument that it does. Okay, that's that's for you to decide. Okay, just like the narrow observation about it. Yeah, the the context of

[105:07] the conversation about what you should fund. It doesn't. It could be very wide ranging, and could apply to several people here or future. You know. I would say that we're not. Your decision in this. Grant is not about what should or shouldn't happen with the educational institutions that will eventually get the funding you're providing right? It's it's it's more about what the applicants are saying. There's, you know, there outcomes are going to be from. So I would just say II don't think it matters to your conversation other than the word that we put into a decision should be. We reject this because you should do it right? Yeah, that's it. That's the only okay. The thing that I keep coming back to Bruce is in the opening paragraph there. And what resonates with me about.

[106:00] So proposal is somebody who is focused on increasing diversity equity. No, I mean, the first paragraph definitely hits what she's trying to do. Yeah, I've I keep going back. Go ahead. Let's have just in terms of she's going out and attracting people to apply to see dance program. And there's very likely most at least not all of them are better than professional dancers, or necessarily even have careers in the arts. because, you know, like you when you're in college like changes, but I do think it is exposing people to the arts. And she could be, you know. Somebody goes to see you dance and understanding, even if it's not where they choose their careers and then become a commission after we're all long conference.

[107:10] All that. So I think that it's not necessarily about every person she recruits has to then become someone involved with the city border arts. Let's see. now, we do. Commissioners have to use 2 votes. No, I mean, if you want to abstain from voting. So yeah, so if you like, just wanted to vote for one and then the other one. You can stay. Sure, was the 2. Okay, the and the 2 is gonna be for the the we need to scholarships.

[108:00] I think in the motion itself you would either have to put for against a motion. So if there's a motion for 2 individuals, and you don't agree not to vote no. or propose a counter motion for just one person. which also be done where we just do the votes. The person who gets the most is the first, and the person gets the second. Most and people are at, and then kind of refine our discussion from there. And I wanna make sure everybody feels their initial position on a straw. Poll feels like you have.

[109:02] so are people ready for straw hole. So heck so, and I'll just go through the names and put twice. So let's start with Meg, who is the clarinet clerk. so all in favor of all in favor of Ellen, who is all in favor of Lee, who is in school in May. and then all in favor of Jessica. Okay, lot of people have

[110:07] Hopefully, everybody could see how the votes were. It felt like there were a lot more votes for 2 of these people, and so I might invite somebody to make a motion with that in mind, and then we can discuss further. For Ellen it was 2 or leave it was 4, and for Jessica it was 3. Anybody feel comfortable making a so I'll I was one of those for Megan. I know that we earlier discuss discuss something, someone emerging in their career. And I'm reading this again, and I don't for emerging leaders. we'll focus their career.

[111:02] So I know. I think for a moment I felt like it had to be some, we were saying, is supposed to be told someone who is just starting off. In my opinion. people self identify as you definitely have to decide. If you agree myself over. So they feel they're emerging. That's good. Okay? Regardless of if they could do. Yeah, II don't think. certainly not. Staff could weigh in and say. without refining with you a set of criteria

[112:00] we just put emerging as the goal they self identify as that. You can interpret that like. okay, I'm not seeing any motions. So I didn't get to vote twice. This is the straw poll you want me sign up and can't do

[113:05] alright. Okay. Is there anybody? Let me ask it this way? Is there anybody that would like to put forth an argument for me or Ellen, and try to convince some more people to to lie. Why, we're thinking that I'll speak to Allen. Sure. I was really impressed that I mean, she kind of alluded to to the like. The original thought of the grounds for that specific program that she's been doing. II appreciate that she's built something, but now she wants more formal training and how to administrate program. And I think we will do that. And I'm also impressed. And I didn't check her website. So that she's providing paid performing art opportunities to a very broad range group. Not all of them. I don't think. But

[114:02] how'd you like that I did look at her website and what I liked about it. It wasn't just diverse in terms of skin color, but it was diverse in size of people. Yeah, I don't like that. She does call herself a black in her proposal. and I personally. I have to be back all day, whether it benefits me, or that's me in danger. So this is. I think, press that for me. Can you confirm, Lauren, that that was indeed the way it was presented to you in the original application. And then that's the original application. I just wanna make sure it works getting like the raw. I'm looking into application, because that would be application. I don't have a just Pdf.

[115:01] that I mean, I can't imagine you writing that. Yeah, I'm sure it's probably location, or does it work? Oh, I see, hey? Our modeling is a woman on business, common black on business parentheses. My husband between 4 years earned daughters are black arts, business, small business mission based business. So she just calling it that. But on forms and stuff she checks and he identifies. He is black. I think, is what she said. She's obviously women own business, so they own they own it together. That's how what I heard, she said. She was a sole proprietor.

[116:07] Llc. I think it's that she's an Llc. Which makes her sole provider, so it's her business, but her husband is involved. He helps her and works as a volunteer, so I don't think he actually he does not own it. and it sounded like there was some confusion on her part because of the way that her taxes were treated by organizations that are giving her feedback on her taxes through what they're requesting of her and and then there may be confusion as to how that's really treated, whether it's a partnership at the entity level, or if they're paying taxes on it together. And I just also app. I don't like this. But I, this is about how this person's gonna function in the community at all. I think she's just trying to get points.

[117:02] and it's not a good decision. However, I don't think that it reflects on the quality of work that you do. All I can say is, this is why we try our best to have a diverse board, so we can hear the various viewpoint that we might not think of ourselves. So thank you. I'll say a few words of support for for Ellen. Ii felt like she is very broadly involved in the community now it it both through her business and through some volunteer work, and I felt like this her application and cur starting on Monday. Her work at see you at the Administration Admin program. I think that will directly trickle back into the community and through and to strengthen her volunteer work and her business. So I was impressed by that. I felt like she was sort of already engaged and ready to use this grant to further her work

[118:10] there. Anybody who wants to. just because I think that what she's doing actually. she's going to Grace. and I guess I'll be completely transparent, something like that. So II don't hold back I've been to some of her shows and the musicians that she brings in. Like, you know, I'm in the realm of elegance and whatnot people that she brings in our people that I have never seen before. People who bring stories like she's talking Kurdish and certain parts of Iran like I never

[119:03] see things like that in Boulder. and that. you know it's just gonna strengthen her, too. Bring more of that. Instead of just a couple. you know of forms that we have here on a regular basis, as far as music is, and culture. we don't get a lot of Persian and other things. My concern was that I felt like the funds would be used for a discrete group of people with her band. and that it's really to do the nature with the term. It wasn't really about it. you know, furthering on a community level other than. of course, they're going out and doing performances and and

[120:00] well, she's making the school has international connections of the type of musician that she is, is not the norm. These are people. When she plays a clarinet. She plays ministered music on the clarinet and they play instruments that are would you call it music or something? But it's like deeply cultural and historic and folkloric. And there's not many people. It's there, like types of music that are going away because no one cares to carry on the traditions cause it doesn't. So she's making going to that school that specializes in training musicians in all these different music. So she'll be making more connections back. She can. Great. not just using her is what I

[121:03] what's my concern? I was very impressed with what you did check out. I just have curiosity, but is that she sort of said that. And it's not about 8. If you're telling me you're already like the top of your career, then I don't see your. She said she wanted to be refreshed. I'm not trying to push her, but she said, cause she's she's been doing it for a long time. She wants to be a fresh in a new respect. Continue to bring more instead of dial. Okay, we're gonna do a quick time check here. We're at 80'clock, so we'll need to figure out a way to make a decision. Here, let's go. If there's somebody who would like to make motion.

[122:02] yeah, we do one at a time. yeah. sure. Yeah. So we just do it the same as the straw poll. But for you either vote or you well. hold on a second, you if we each have 2 votes we already did that. Am I just holding this up? No, this was a told people that doesn't count for anything. So let's see if if I may make a suggestion. You guys, you have 4 people on. Someone starts there. Just yep. Can we have discussions. Yeah, yeah, we'll do the same discussion about the process. No, no, no, about the yeah. We'll make a motion. Okay? And then have a second 70 s that we'll have

[123:03] a discussion. Okay, then, about okay. So whoever would like to make a motion? Oh, make a motion. What may I suggest that if you would like to make a motion for me, that would be the time. Are you writing something? Thank you for listening for money to finish school so that she come back here. Okay, so I've added these. Linkedin. I'll make that motion. II move that Lee trombly be awarded the leadership Pipeline fund scholarship. I'll second.

[124:00] Okay. Discussion. Have something they have to discuss my concern. Sorry? that it's it's not the youth I understand. This is Brad, too. I guess in my mind, I imagine if we're giving it to an undergrad they'd be local. and I'm just aware that many things can II appreciate. I Miss Boulder. but a lot of things can change. I mean the whole point of how it open your mind to new ideas, and I don't doubt that she's gonna be fetching. returning now. And still might. But there could also be amazing. Enter to the parrot in Paris for some years. I'm just not sure that the city will see the benefit of it for and then we ask where

[125:00] films we as in is we a senior? They just as the end of the opportunity is 5 26. I think they said there wasn't something. Okay. yeah, that's true. Yes. Can can I respond to that? Yeah, II felt like Lee in her, or sorry there application was was clear that she obviously was going to school at a State, but was deeply involved with the community and had strong connections here, and I think the hope is maybe maybe she will go to Paris, or they will go to Paris and find some type of program connection back to our community and elevate dialogue of our community more globally. So, I think, as one of the scholarships. I felt it was

[126:04] a kind of a nice maybe touchstone. to take the local community. national, and then maybe maybe globally, you know, to Paris, wherever where, wherever they end up going. That's that's how I perceived it. Maybe it's a stretch, but but I think it was a you know. It's a a sign of optimism of our community. Alright, see no other discussion. Let's move to a vote. Can you put that motion language back up? So this is basically a motion to approve Lee as one of the recipients scholarship. So all in favor. 2, 3, 4, okay, all posed 2, 42. The motion carries. Thank you. Alright. So should we move to then Jessica

[127:14] Bertram be awarded a leadership. Pipeline scholarship. Second discussion bring more underserved audience to university. So we will help Jessica do it, but please learn and do it yourself.

[128:07] But also, why would they, if if we are doing it well? But like I feel like there's see you could pay them, and then there's probably would still be more money. Okay. alright. All in favor of this motion. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, all opposed. Wanna post. So that motion carries. And with that we have 2 recipients of the leadership.

[129:43] So the 20 min remaining and are a lot of time making and then deciding on the grant instantly, I really appreciate that.

[130:04] Okay. so we have reports from you. you have 2 reports and then follow information from all of that. So your options are for these 2 reports individual reports through individual reports while submitting questions. If they would receive the funds, and then you'd ask all questions. postponed approval of individual reports, any answers to specific questions or not, through the final individual report. If you would like I could put up this language here. To discuss the 2 reports and the follow up from Boulder Ballet, and you're voting on the follow up because the Boulder Valley did not receive their final 20. You got their follow-up before approving their report.

[131:00] I have a request, because I know that there's one report that I'd like to carve up and that's the older ballet, yup so if anybody else wants to have a separate conversation about the other 2. The Boulder Symphony or Chris Key incur plan. Do separate motions for everybody. I can. I'm not sure if this is the right place to say it, but I just wanted to congratulate older companies because they got money to voice someone. They did so well, they earned money on their own. and that it's what we're doing. I don't know. That's great congratulations. all right. Would someone like to make a motion?

[132:03] I'll make a motion. I move that we approve the Grant reports from Boulder Symphony and Grace G. I'll second any further discussion on that. Alright. All in favor unanimously passes from those room alright. So on the Boulder ballet. and I'll wait for them to come back. We voted without you. So and before we move on. Sorry were there any other comments previous to reports. Alright. So for this motion, we potentially have somebody who can recuse themselves from the vote.

[133:04] So okay, so what I'd like to do is invite Georgia to provide some factual background based on our experience, and it can limit the comments to fax and not any opinions or trying to correct how we will vote, and we can take that information as part of our discussion. And then. if you want to officially recuse yourself. And okay, I'm going I received funds from this grant. I did not know that. I was under the impression when last fall, when the

[134:00] that's offered to me. I was under the impression this was Grant from Scifd, and it is listed on their website that this program is funded by. So the docs that I will Facts are that the updated report says our accounting put together teacher, salary and administrative work for this program. This budget splits it out. The original summary puts salary and planning lists both. So that is. oh. in genuine. Is that a word? Okay? Do we want to have this up on the screen so we can follow along with what you're talking about. Okay. So I'm looking at both first and the second

[135:22] I was paid $20 an hour when we divide $20 an hour with 500. That's 25 HI definitely did not work for 25 h on this, and I definitely is not paid for 24 h. This. it says, studio rental. 800. So it's 20 h. There are 20 classes, and the nonprofit rate as $25 an hour. Times 20 classes is $500, not $800. tuition. Scholarship was 500 for $5,000. The teacher, salary and rental and marketing, and

[136:07] and any other expenses were already paid for. So where this $5,000 actually went is questionable. And what else I and did the math their average class cost is $20 a class per student. So if there were 10 students that took the 20 classes. That would be $4,000, not $5,000. It says that this program has been slated to begin again, starting September 20. Fourth. that is not listed on the website, which means there's no advertising how to run the program. There needs to be at least a month minimum with advertising for this.

[137:03] And it says here, scholarship tuition for 10 students to participate on our intake form. There's 14 students, the first The first budget proposal had 10 students. So they went from 10 to 14 students. Okay. anything clarifying before George leaves alone. Thank you. What do you attribute the errors to. Is that something she can? Before you answer I don't. Well, I'll just say I don't think I can answer because I didn't write either proposal. I had nothing to. Actually, I recorded data. But I did not write it.

[138:03] Yeah. So that's all I can say. Thank you. Okay. thanks. Thank you? Oh, well, I I'm so I guess the question is whether and to what extent those facts? without a chance for rebuttal also impact on our decision and having the impact on whether Boulder Valley will be get getting the rest of the money and their report approved. I'd like to know if Staff has any opinion here, because this is like a big deal.

[139:03] if you were to reject report and not provide 20 based on what you believe to be purposefully inaccurate information provided on the grant that elevates this? No, recommend that we invite someone from legal to talk to us. Because basically, you're that saying someone committed and then providing information and formal grant programs. I have no idea what that means, what the outcomes might be. If there's other steps that need to be taken in order to, you know. Do this properly and protect the city. And so if if that's the direction, of course you want to go. I'm not suggesting it. There isn't I'm going to say, let's post phone for another month and invite people to take a look at all this talk staff, talk to chair and then come, talk to port

[140:02] shots. Can you tease out with the specific questions? That might be kind of depends on what you want to ask, and that's what step will take. What I would suggest is that we believe you know we, the Commission. believe there may be evidence that this right it purposefully false statements were provided in a formal application. And so the questions based on that would be. is the rejection of the granted denial of the 20% remedy to that situation. Does there need to be legal review report on it? Something like, you know? So. Yeah. And I'm sorry not down to.

[141:00] Are we critiquing an application or able to report after the fact in order for us to make sure. So they in the report after the fact. spent money and Chris to clarify. and there was question about the initial budget report. We asked for them to take a second look at the numbers. So this is a revision of that button. It's still. but I guess. apart from all that, we'll sort all that out. It's that's an old. if that's the reason why. Right? Right? It's maybe to totally appropriate thing to do again. I'm not saying should. But there's also regardless, regardless. There's gonna be outcomes that we discuss both

[142:00] process and because patience of that. But also the President. I guess I guess I'm looking also at another reason as to go in a different direction other than if only there was that thing up there. Just so, you know, we are taking some down so you could see waiting for Laura once again. So the part about a right there. So they have additional funds.

[143:01] After this whole grant has been done. They're telling us, and tell me if I'm reading this wrong. But saying we did the grant that we were supposed to do, we have this money left over that we're gonna apply towards another program. So why do we have to pay the remaining amount if they've already done the grant? I don't know. I. What I suspect to be true is that we made the agreement to provide this level of funding, and so it's good. It's not negotiable to execute the grant to your satisfaction, then we have a responsibility. Contractual obligations. So this is where the city turns. Probably come into play is is understanding. The contract that we have with them

[144:01] outlines. If there's some failure on their part to follow through on something, then we have some numbers to say we're not going to continue to give you dollars? I think the fact that the issues are raised in a public meeting, and you know it's in right now. There is some awareness that there is some some questions certainly needs to be some communication back to them on these specific concerns, and and some parameters of audit or something like that. That they need to demonstrate if they want to. for this body to consider funding them anytime again in the future. So I don't know that. you know. Criminal, you know. I don't know if there's more legally is involved that is like you know. See. Governor. from folks, you know, in jail, or anything like that. But

[145:01] making sure that this body is better prepared to decide who I mean. They have limited resources. and we're we're finding information that isn't consistent with the things that people said that they were going to do. And then they said they did the things that we can prove cause. That's the other thing is, it's one thing, you know. Maybe there's a very obvious misunderstanding. We just don't know. So what. So is there? Well, you're gonna I think. Another thing I'd add to that is that the attorneys of talk to several times in slightly different situations. But it. Some of it's context about zoom that unless there's direct evidence we have in front of us, the assumption is not that they did something wrong, because we see this currently, the assumption is that they provided us with the best information that they could, and continue that question to ask. So that should be the place to start providing

[146:00] I have a concern that maybe isn't fair. but it's within the context of what we heard a couple of weeks ago, with like coming in. And I'm concerned about there being a context, and in somebody in an organization that we're funding that to me the appearance is that they're taking city funds. that are supposed to be going to to Brown under represented people representing to us that that's where the funds are going. And then we have people in those communities coming to us and saying, Well, actually, no, we're not being treated the way that they are presenting it to us as a commission. It's concerning. I don't know if it's fair to slap that on top of this analysis, but it's certainly the soup library swimming in

[147:02] now I II don't know. I'm not convinced that this is the right avenue to address it. but it's very concerning to me. Is there a what do you call it the precedent. or when funds are left over, that they haven't spent, but they're gonna and they say they're gonna put it towards when they operate in the fall or next year with the money left over from your grant. Is there present? Do we allow that I can't recall situation? That's happened? I think it would not. It doesn't surprise me that friends are left over. I think that we encourage nonprofits to. you know, Budget. Well, it'd be frugal and run lean, and when they encounter surpluses to use that well, so you know, that's has nothing to do with the grant, the application or the agreement. It's just a principle that we have. It's like

[148:08] using working capital risk capital. Well, is something that's important for these organizations. So I'd say. maybe on principle, we might be okay. But they signed an agreement to fulfill what's in the application. Right? That's what we have to focus the attention on. Yeah, I mean, I just go back to this is a public meeting. This is a public zoom thing. Public video people can watch other people that are being given grant money or being denied grant money are. Gonna see that? I just want to be sure we're not going to hear about it, you know, a year from now. I cannot guarantee. Yeah, as long as you feel that, in in my opinion. as long as you feel that the okay

[149:12] due diligence not in the budget like, if they're like. what? What is there? You know? What's our duty to provide them pre appeal an opportunity to answer question, yeah, I know that they're like, in terms of this contacts I'm talking about. They haven't had a chance to rebuild that. And they are planning. So I think, like. possibly I'm leaning toward some sort of delay, so we can get a little bit more information on the context and the specifics of this both. I'd like to give them the opportunity.

[150:01] I guess my my gut opinion, just for the moment, is, yeah, I'd like to hear rebuttal based on they're gonna watch the video. They're gonna hear what George has said. Let's hear them out. They'll either say, well, she's a damn liar, or yeah, you know. Yeah, yeah, we had an intern before you call them. You're late. But quick touch. that's we are at 8 30. So I wanna respect everybody's time. Is there anybody who feels uncomfortable wrapping up this discussion and see where we are on the rest of the agenda that this is done. everybody. Okay, to press on. Okay. staff, you doing? Okay. go get some food, go get some.

[151:02] But while you call me your later, I'm just going to Georgia. Great you're late. Yes. oh, so a concern for me is that if they use this to pay Georgia and did not tell Georgia, then Georgia would not know. To recuse herself from any votes about it which just totally like not so quorum. So that's just something that's that is big for me. can you? I'm not sure I followed that. Can you say that again? So so I correct me if I'm wrong. But Georgia said that they got paid using this grant, but they weren't informed of it. So they didn't know that ahead of time. So if they didn't know they were being paid, Grant, they wouldn't have known to recuse themselves. Yeah, voting on it. Yup. is that correct? Yeah. So that that raises issues for me. Yeah, I think that and we can probably clarify, but my understanding is that at the time of the grant

[152:05] she did work there and then, she no longer works there, but she now understands that she got paid from the grant. That's why she's accused herself tonight. But she was around for a discussion last month when we talked about this budget. Okay, okay, yeah. It just was like, did they intentionally not tell Georgia that they were getting paid with this grant? So yeah, anyways. yes, exactly. Exactly like, why, why is Georgia not informed of where she's getting paid from? I guess. Yeah. yeah, okay. I'd like to give them the opportunity to revive, because there is a unique situation here that a lot of other reports don't have. I'm on the inside. So there might be other people. Thank you in. you know, unfortunate errors in their report that we're not hearing that. So I feel like at least we can do it. Situation.

[153:06] speak to it. So can I propose course action, please. Tomorrow copy under email to our attorney, and we'll set up some time. Set up a Zoom Meeting to talk it through. We'll schedule conversation for September. I don't want to commit yet to inviting the ballet to come to that meeting until I check with the attorneys, but assuming that they're good with it. Script time, September meeting to talk this through. or options and flags to be aware of. I would expect I would not be surprised if we don't make. Have you make a decision about that talk through? You have discussion, maybe to go find more information or

[154:01] research stuff. This may be something that we address. and then I am presuming that if we invite them, that they would be talking not only about this particular issue, but also about all things. II don't alright Anybody object to that course of action. so we don't need to come up with motion. Get Georgia back in the room. How is everybody feeling about pressing on with the agenda? We have? How much time do you feel like your will take? Can we all read the material? Yeah.

[155:09] do we want to prioritize like this? One of the things to figure out the date of the I was just going to talk to you about checking your calendars. But I will go ahead. And in that email start to provide some dates for you to check and start to pull on beautiful. So what else? This is? Step 2 of our cultural Grant Central blueprint. Thank you so much. Every year we take a few months to get feedback feedback. We're in part 2, which is, we come back with some solutions to the feedback and just building out the next. The program connects here. This is the recommended financial structure. It follows exactly. It follows exactly what we had this year. Kind of thing.

[156:01] the vast majority is tied up in our general operating support grants. We carry on with 10 projects for individual, for organizations, 5 for individuals, for education, my goodness, $10,000 for 6. This is this one sorry guys. It's really like, I'm one person. It's gonna follow the same outline as this year. Accepting this 90,000 will be 60,000, because it'll it'll be back down to the 6 awards. Remember, we have that this funds roll over for this year. but effectively follows what we have last year. You're not voting on this. It's more just to get a temperature check on. If you agree that it follows the same format that we have this year, minus the additions that we've had over time this year. We will also still have the American Rescue Plan Act funds. Those are for 2 years, and the Commission did already vote on having them going to the artist hiring incentive grants and the venue and online event affordability funds, so you'll see that those will carry over. Those are those are both on. In fact, it's really gonna be the top piece.

[157:14] Well. and not the entire top piece of the general office port will be so unless we have any huge concerns about sort of financial structure. And again, we'll bring this back. We'll we'll bring back a built out program that's in for you to be reviewing all of the documentation, all these different forms and things. But you still have time to discuss it. If you see something, and you and you are really concerned about it, there's also still time, or in between the meetings, you can raise it to me and bring it next meeting. So the staff, the changes, and even after getting a few more comments, really, we they all stay within the same 3 areas the first one is to ask for comments on scores 5 and below instead of 4, and below. So this year it was 4 and below, people are asking for 5 application.

[158:14] Yeah, now, it's sort of a lower end. I hear about it a lot a lot. We get a lot of. And that was the when I reached out for feedback from people. That was the big end that they were asking for comments and questions right, something to respond to, something to know how to improve staff administering up to 3 extension request, so bringing that out of the commissions realm. The fourth request, for an extension would come to the Commission, and then y'all would decide, and to be the final review. And that's something that you've done now twice right with the yeah, you have a practice of doing that, and we think it's pretty appropriate. 3 extensions about have always been approved, and if something comes up it's very strange. Of course I'll bring it to you. But, we wanna take things off of your plate right now. That is like, pop on again. It's your fault, and then finally.

[159:11] the return to the use of the boulder focus point. I'm I'm sorry, but this y'all wrote this, and I bring it back to you. Okay, so this is the big program change last year that Staff really recommend that we do not continue with this because it was. It's ultimately an accessibility issue. And we heard a lot of organizations that have a hard time with this. A lot of artists that have a hard time with this. it comes down to what we see in the community. Cultural plan is what people want to see here and how they want to project holder into the world and creating this kind of isolation is not really time to what we're trying to get at overall.

[160:01] So we are recommending, instead of it, for the general operating support grants. You do have to be headquartered here. So the vast majority of our funds goes to organizations that are working and are headquartered here at the city folder. Let's take that out right? 75 headquartered, or we have a director for our holder. Program that happens. So the the term headquarters a little bit trickier, right? So they need to have a business address. Alright, so imagine 75% of the funding, the general operating system. So we're planning all the top is already going to organizations that are headquartered in the holder, which is the idea we're supporting a lot of local organizations. Good job 42.

[161:04] So for these, this requirement in particular, it's for projects. And we heard a lot about this and sure that you all remember, I had phone calls about it. We had emails about it because there is some kind of ways to work with those organizations, but I know I do decline a couple of people that would have done projects here, but did not have a partner or organization right? And then we don't know how many people didn't apply because they saw this. And we're like global. There's like so insular, I can't even apply great. So we're recommending that we go back to the previous format, which was to have a another question on the application to ask. What is your organization? Or as an individual, what? How much you focus in Boulder. So it gives you still the opportunity to to give some points, to give some support for boulder based organizations. If that's your prerogative. but it doesn't eliminate people from apply applying entirely.

[162:05] So if you, you may object to this and feel free to do so, I want to add one more program change, which is just we should go in and tweak the leadership pipeline fund based on the conversation we had today to type up that like the ambiguities. I'm wondering if cause I'm recalling that when we had this language there were people that were coming to us saying, I do programming over Zoom or the Internet. So I think that might be something to eligibility.

[163:06] That Zoom Meeting isn't like. It's not me sitting here in boulder and clicking. I'm here in Boulder. It eliminates the possibility that things might happen here that are cool and interesting. Instead of allowing for a point discussion like a real thoughtful process. So what is next in this discussion? Really, it's if you are okay with that, because that's what I'll be looking for all the applications and ports and things like that, and shifting it back to. So so what are you proposing? So taking that the Blue section out community project and arts, education grants. So so the short version of what will be left is that

[164:01] you could be an artist in New York City. But if you're gonna do your project here. You can apply. Yes. better met for our goals and cultural plan. Yeah. But it still gives you the option. Right? So someone from New York City applies with 0 on boulder focus. You can also say that it doesn't meet some of the aspects of the cultural plan as well. So you give them on those community priorities parts, and then you come here and convince your fellows that A lower scores warranted, and and that they shouldn't apply, if that's what it is. But it gives you the option to have the discussions like at the main point. Yeah. Okay.

[165:01] Carolyn, yes, thank you. I recall that there is an na, and then 1, 2, 3, 4, and that you're not able to click. Na, and so is 0 score is not so it's so. It's really the option of giving, like 3 additional points to people who deserve extra points. And I would love us to consider whether that's the right number like, should it be more? Should it be a scale of one to 6, and then and then you have actual one to 5 people who are in the past 4, because it is tied to the other one. That is a 4 point question is 6.

[166:15] So it's it's more than the encouragement. But less than the community cultural plan. People are intended, you know, like reflecting what the community is once. Oh, yeah. yeah, I mean, III think I can be on board with that. I you know I feel pretty strongly about people paying tax dollars and wanting. You know. What am I getting for that. So I apply for Grant. I have a better chance, and somebody who lives in another city. But II definitely see the value in terms of attracting global talent to do programs here. Which hopefully, is intention. Yeah.

[167:06] the grant process other than my life, a little foreign to me. But, like II think it makes sense interesting. Julie and Maria, you. Okay, with that I'm okay. Cool. Yes. great. Thank you. Thank you. And then that was my 10 min, guys. So you're gonna review 4 categories. I will build out a schedule for the next time. There's no us this time. So it's gonna be about the same as this year. Do you have any concerns or questions? And then we print at the next meeting I'll bring schedules, documents, all this kind of stuff, and of course, let me know before after. If you have any questions to or see anything.

[168:03] La Lauren, can I see a question. Can you remind me what grant it was that we ranked them? It's like one to 20. Oh, it was one of that was the arts, administration arts, administration, hiring grants. That was through Harpo. So we're not gonna do that again. Great, because I think we all struggled with that. So yeah, myself included. Thank you. She's still like you got burned. Huh? So that one's not coming. This is all. Gonna be the standard like scoring the software and the leadership scholarship, as you saw tonight with some edits. Grant info sessions. This is where I just talk with grant programs. And then a Grant program training. That's the important one for the Commission. This will be for the Commission the January seventeenth. We'll have it here unless the weather's bad. I'll have it online, or it's online here for everybody. But we'll talk to all of the Grant programs. We'll go through the software, you know. Talk through any of your concerns. We do a little refresh on that cultural plan and the mission, the vision and the ideas of the Commission, just to be sure that you're all kind of saying it's based whenever you're reviewing the application.

[169:15] Thank you all very, very much. 17 January. Yeah. yeah, I appreciate that. And I just have one thing to say. I'll I'll be giving you an email about all the rest. But we do have one position open for the artists liaison, and we'll have another one soon for the public art coordinator. Unfortunately, Amy left us but great to work on her. But no great people should work here that please send them our way. Send them to the application, and we'll send me a thing and we'll try to include in the phone commission.

[170:03] Thank you. Everybody for bearing with us as we went over our normal normal amount and then over the scheduled event. Thank you.