March 22, 2023 — Boulder Arts Commission Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:01] Are recording. Hey, Welcome to the march! 20 s meeting of the Older Arts Commission. the official gavel. Let's see. Start off with the land acknowledgment. The city of Boulder Arts Commission acknowledges the city of Boulder is on the ancestral homelands and on seeded territory of indigenous people who have traversed lived in and stewarded lands in the Boulder Valley since time immemorial. Those indigenous indigenous nations include the Arapaho Cheyenne, Comanche. Our benefit from this land came in a dire cost to the indigenous people, and we, thanks to them. we'll start off with the approval of the agenda. Anybody have any additions, or would like to make a motion to approve. Thank you, Kathleen. Do I have a second? Thank you, Caroline. Any discussion. hey? All in favor?

[1:07] It passes unanimously. Thank you. Everybody the approval of the February meeting minutes. any additions, or does somebody want to make a motion to approve? I actually have. That's being your last meeting. I would I would have been surprised to be I I did have a question, and I apologize. I was away until last night, so I didn't get before this, but I didn't question the managers. There's a line that says the following in advance of the meeting: Should there be a list there? Because I didn't, you know? Or was that just like

[2:00] It's not. I thank you. Any discussion. The call for the load, all in favor. The vote passes unanimously. Thank you everybody. We are flying through public participation. Do we have anybody who would like to speak? Yes, we have 2 people signed up to speak at this moment, and so first up will be Ryan Scott. Hi, this is Ryan. Can you hear me? Yeah, yes, we can hear you. Super. Thanks much. I certainly appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. I've been interfacing with a few of you via email and and phone call. So certainly appreciate your help. I just wanted to speak up in regards to some of the artwork that popped up on Pearl Street during the pandemic there were a few barriers which I

[3:00] learned we're a grant. Whether it was the Boulder Public Library. I don't know if the Arts Commission was overseeing this, but there were a few pieces that popped up with some temporary messaging that stood for far too long. So one of those was where a mask and it was on a barrier at ninth and pearl. so I would, and there was another one that was a ferry wearing a mask, and that was put up, and I think someone ripped it down, and between fifteenth and sixteenth. And so I would just kind of offer some support to avoid those types of projects which might have temporary messaging, irrespective of how you think or feel. You know Don't put up a message that after a certain point once that mask mandate was repealed, you know that that held no weight where a mask doesn't mean anything so. and I just kept being told. Well, it was a grant. We can't do anything about it. And then eventually those barriers were removed. But I I found that to be kind of unfortunate to have to look at that every single day I came down to Pearl Street. So if you could avoid that messaging, moving forward.

[4:04] that would be great, and not mixing any sort of temporary, you know health, guidance with your art murals. That would be fantastic. I'm not sure if you can see video right now. But my next request would be to just open up your meetings to the public to meet in person. It would be far nicer to meet you face to face, and simply say, hello and meet and greet, and I Don't intend on joining in on every meeting. But I find this General Malays with a lot of groups. They're allowing the staff to meet in person, but the general public's restricted to zoom, and whatever controls you have here. So with that being said, it would be very appreciated by folks at the community if you'd at least open up your meetings to have the chance for folks to come by in person and say hello and offer perspective. I think you'll you'll form a better connection with the public at large, myself and other people as they come in and out. So yeah, that's that's about all I have, and certainly thank you for all your efforts, and I don't. I don't find zoom to be the best communication platform. I'm. I'm on it all day. So anyways, thanks much for your help.

[5:14] Thank you, Ryan. We appreciate the feedback, and if there is anybody in this room that would love to have the public in person. It's me, and i'm happy to say. Matt just told me that our starting at our next meeting the public will be allowed again to come to meetings Traditionally, all of our meetings have we have members of the public here in person, but kind of Covid ruin that for everybody. I'm: glad to hear. So. Thanks. Yeah, no. I've been coming to these meetings for over 30 years, and the public has always been more than welcome to attend. So Covid put a strain on that, obviously. So yeah, please feel free. I hope to see you at our next meeting in April likewise. Thanks.

[6:02] great. Thank you. Want to thank Ryan for your comments. I love to have the public here. Yeah, we would love to have the public honestly. We and and a lot, and some of us want it to be together in person a lot sooner than we were able to, but these were real set by the city, so we have to honor. We have to honor that, and I think it's true, probably for a lot of, and it's all still virtual. great. I I was just. I noticed there was a notice on September last year, so that was my only comments. So that's that's great. You've got got rid of that. So look forward to it, and then I have question concerning your first comment: Are we in charge of me? And we're not in charge of maintaining? I'm just wondering how you know, with someone else in charge of like removing that kind of What's that downtown boulder partnership? So that was a collaboration City was involved. It was not a public art piece from our office. However, we do encourage our work of all events, including

[7:13] with, you know, messaging. And so why do some people do install it, so that partnership got together to install those pieces. They have been removed. The temporary messaging has been yeah, the the the murals, I think they were on like Jersey barriers. Right? Yeah. But, Ryan, your point is duly noted great. Thank you. Thank you for coming right there ready. We haven't. We have a speaker. Yeah. Great Decker ball. Hi! Can you hear me? Great? Can you see me? Oh, okay, You're all looking up so i'm not sure what you're looking at. But anyway, i'm here for 2 reasons. So

[8:01] first, and I think most importantly, I want to thank Kathleen Mccormick for her extraordinary service to our community. Oh, my gosh, Kathleen, really it's been exceptional. I think about how far the Boulder Arts Commission's work has come. The whole development of the Grants program, the roll out of the community cultural plan, your service on boards. It's just your advocacy, your communication to the community. Really our our arts and culture ecosystem is so much stronger because of your hard work, and so on behalf of I still personally create folder in the boulder chamber. Thank you. Yeah, I feel like we should have a big party and celebrate. Thank you for your kind words. You're you're making me bless it's really a team out right? We all know that. But I I think you you've really been an exemplary leader. So thank you for that.

[9:01] and also I I understand. So my second point is, I understand. Tonight you'll be talking about the $250,000 of additional funding that city Council approved. I I don't actually know all of the details, but I wanted to thank all of the Commissioners for their advocacy. As you know, there was a strong push in the arts community for this funding, and I hope that the bulk of the funding will go to support the general operating support grants that were unable to be funded. But I know those are decisions that you'll be grappling with tonight. Unfortunately, I can't stay and watch from afar. I I look forward to hearing what you decide, but i'm excited about that, and I I thank you all for helping to make that happen. So. Thank you. Thank you, Deborah. Thank you for the feedback, and in case people in the room Aren't aware Deborah. it recently won an award from the Cbc. A Colorado business council on the arts. So congratulations. Deborah well deserved.

[10:07] Thanks so much. That's it. Hey? Anybody? Yeah. Just banking Deborah and your colleagues to create boulder, but particularly Deborah tonight for all your work. That's the culture in boulder that's the in the last few months have been very well deserved. So thank you. We love the partnership. Thanks. Thank you. Yeah. Back back at you all. Thank you, Kathleen. Thank you, Deborah. People sign up for public comment. Okay. moving forward. Share my screen. Okay. right.

[11:00] Thank you so much for taking your time to review the final 7 recertification documents that we have. Okay, yes, the final 7 recertification documents from our general operating support grantees for this year, and you also saw an updated document in touch with band of tops and colleen representative from this evening. If you have any additional questions that this meeting. You'll vote on approval of these reports. So you have the options to approve all the reports. Approve individual reports approved individual reports while submitting some specific questions. or post-coding approval of individual reports. Answer 2 specific questions, all of these that you have had the pleasure to do in the past. You also received some follow up from the questions that you had at the last meeting. I hope these are all a factory to you, but let me know if you have any major questions about those. I will go forward, and I can see we have

[12:07] It's language here. But I realized that it's 10. We can't see where you let me think. Hold on. let me just. I could see where I had. I'm just not sharing. So you guys can all see each other, and then, whenever you want to talk about motion language, i'll put the language back up on the screen. The chair will entertain a motion at this time, or you know, typically I like to do discussion after a motion has been made. But this is the kind of thing we can talk. Might want to talk just before to see what kind of motion we're looking at. Okay, that's fine. Would you like to make a motion to approve the other ones and leave that separate, or do you? Wanna I mean, I know there were questions on the band so band of top self, so I I would like to assess that as well. Let's see. Well.

[13:09] why not? Just That'd be great cool, so i'll I'll make a motion that we accept the reports for eco arts connections. Jl. At Colorado, Junkyard, Social Club, and Novo or district there a second. Thank you, Kathleen. or a second later. if it's relative to the the motion, we should do that discussion, but we can certainly have discussion after the motion is voted on that seem reasonable. Okay, so do you want to hold up on your comment, or do you want to do it now? Okay. So let's see any discussion before we vote. Alright, let's call for the vote. All those in favor.

[14:03] Okay, motion passes unanimously. Thank you. And the comments. I I guess we're discussing color. I'm new to music close to the later about E equal Arts connections. I think Marta and eco arts has. She manages to pull up the most amazing. complex and demanding projects, and with the environmental design group that our department at see you, and with all the volunteers, and with the community creating that chill spot, getting that all done, and then all the arts and culture program, and she's been doing like bringing a number of young people to the 3 College of in Denver. It's just wonderful. I just appreciate what she is doing so. Thank you. And she bought a large amount of people to not

[15:00] junk You're at Social Club congratulations on your zoning phase. I did, too, and with her license, and all the expansions and improvements, and and that are offered for Yeah. Well, I just it. I have one saying how the it's all, there's only official arts district, and and that it's succeeded and and continues to succeed because of all the people who are putting the effort in, and all the artists who want to make that work, and I think it's going to be great, with the addition of the looking forward to that. And then That's it. hey? All that jail left I attended this year. It was exciting, this evident I had understood. There were going to be some changes that in the last, including in the leadership. But I didn't see that in the report so well that my comment was that that I i'm always excited to see that we have

[16:04] different mediums that we're supporting and love that we have the written word an international written word being representative. and I was glad to see that they were able to bring Kevin Smith on, because he's got such great programming experience, and that's kind of what I I saw as filling that role that maybe you had a different understanding than I did. I? I know that last year there were questions about, you know, real ties with older in the administration and leadership, and Kevin is about as well as you can get in my house. So that's great to hear that. Yeah, that's that's the reason I mentioned that it's like a little uncertainty. I reached out. I was like that. So thank you for that Gotcha. Yeah, thank you for putting that into words. The Jlf thing. I sometimes have doubts like. Why are we supporting this? It's not like a bolder thing, but

[17:03] my test is, if it was gone. would it be messed, and I really think it would. I think it's. It's a big part of our our cultural thing here that we have going on, you know, and, like you, said Literary, it's what a great thing to have as part of the arts that we're supporting. So they group everything, both of you said biggest, most diverse crowds that we see in Bulger, and it it appeals to folks in Europe and in Asia all over the world. Africa. There are so many different speakers, and I'm attended every year. We have. so I think it's. It's unusual for folder, and I think it. I think it brings a lot of people here who want to see Boulder. They want to experience folder, and I think that's a great exchange. So, aside from all the literary richness I don't know. I always learn a lot

[18:02] awesome. 8 months. All right. So let's see we have 2. You want to make them so. How do you want to proceed. Oh, well, I ring up my point, and we'll see if there's anything we want to do about it. So the color of the music festival. The question that I had is about the budget, and I don't have a print out of it in front of me, so it's not also going to be a little bit off. but I noticed you wanted to see it. I get them up on the screen. I'd rather not share the details of the report out of the public video any any specific questions, we can look it up. Thank you. So what initially struck me with the the months of the rating that I said that they had. It was like a 40 months that I said, and so when I looked where that was coming from, the way I was looking at it is that their current huge liability. It's like there was a $350,000 live some sort of

[19:08] okay believe that that would go into your budget once that has been used up. Not that you just have that money available to you because it's not a liability if it's just available to you. So you know, I I know in the past we have brought up concerns about the the longevity and the viability of organizations going forward, and that was a huge right back to me, and I thought we should slow down and discuss whether that's concerned. If questions about that it wasn't addressed in the report, as far as I could see. And had you specifically, or had we, as a of a body, specifically requested financial information from them. No, no, about that. No, we didn't know. I I think I didn't remember that right

[20:03] so. and I and we had a lot of questions on organizations that were showing even stronger numbers than that, you know, running them. I just wonder in terms of completeness. And even they have no second. Yeah. Hmm. So do we have questions we want to ask them before we vote. How would I have? How are you feeling? I think it's significant. I I think it's. I think, for sure, asking a question. And then I guess the question to the Commission is whether or not the funding is how that or in the report accepted until we get an answer. Or if we just ask the question and accept the record.

[21:01] Hmm. I have a couple of thoughts. I think this from last year the 2022 festival was a bit of a disappointment financially. And I I yeah spoke of the executive director about that, and she she brought it up. As a matter of fact, if they had great hopes that it was going to be a much more fine, actually successful year than once, and I attended a few of the performances. I have to say the the programming was excellent. These musicians from all over the country there, and people literally. I mean, they're getting attention to the New York Times. You wish conduct over the last couple of years. He has a worldwide reputation, so I think that there's great promise, and I guess I would not worry so much about the budget. I understand. If you want to ask the question.

[22:01] I wouldn't want to hold up for funding personally, because I really feel that they have a a of this year, and they're already starting to solve tickets at a really great pace. and I think it is honestly back going last year to sit and see, maybe two-thirds of of of she probably. I'm. I've been the whole, You know the whole thing, and we I especially after you know, COVID-19. And yet we had a spike in Covid last summer, and I think that's back to a lot of It's just more cautious. So I I have great confidence that they're gonna have really great year. This year will make up for any they had last year. As to the bigger question, I was so I understand. If you want to answer that I might be supporting if you would like answers to that.

[23:05] How are you guys? Tell me about that? You know it's funny. This is to our listeners and the public. This is for arts, organizations that have a liaison. This is a perfect example of why liaisons are so so vital to what we do here, because, hearing your your thoughts. Just this is so meaningful to me. You know papers paper, but to hear from you who's out there? And I? You know I know you're out there going all this stuff so to hear what you're saying that that the care is a lot of wait with me. So i'm tempted to to heed your suggestion, and approved funding with questions. Now I you know I'm certainly want to hear from everybody, but I almost want to hear from Lauren, and perhaps Matt as well. What Staffs recommendations based on what Caroline's saying?

[24:06] Yeah, yeah, I think I agree with approving it with questions. And I felt like last meeting. We set a precedent for doing that, and I feel like the responses we got. We're very thoughtful, and and perhaps you know, helpful to the organizations to. Maybe they've done some of that due diligence and thinking on their end. But but I felt like it was perhaps helpful to organizations to have them vet some of those questions and answer them internally and then share them with us. Thank you. Matter, Lauren. Yeah. But thank you. I I think it's completely appropriate for just like this to approve funding and go ahead. You know, I think, that there's some critical issues you may want to hold back funding for answers, but a couple of things

[25:01] make me lead in that direction here, just you know, as we worse. First of all, the purpose of the recertification is really really gonna take any severe action. If you feel like this organization is not able to continue. I don't get the feeling that we have that concern with Cmf. and you know it's also this: this is the first year 3 years in relationship. I don't really see them abandoning us in the last 2 years, even if they could. You know it's like you still have a chance to. you know. Build on the relationship with them, and and learn and look towards next year. So you know, for those reasons I would agree that that's a good course. No, just whenever, after your vote, I would just like a a couple of specific questions for them, of course. Yeah, I guess, Caroline, I don't. I don't quite.

[26:00] We understand your concerns. My concern is based in what we've talked about in this room in the past, where there's been other organizations that have, you know, large deficits or issues on our budgets, and we want to make sure we have in the past wanted to make sure that we did some due diligence on that, and i'm Looking at the question of sustainability, we talked about some other organizations last month about based on our report. Whether they were sustainable on the board. Whether we were gonna, you know, take any action. So it's just it's more. I just want to have the conversation do our due diligence. I'm sure people were aware that that was something I saw, and and I feel completely comfortable, based on what you're adding your recommendation. The fact that I have seen just so much evidence coming out of them that they are just growing in this international stature that they're going to be around, and that they're moving forward with really high quality programming. So

[27:02] and I think it really means a lot to them to have our Okay. You have to have our representation of the city back in that. That's it. It's meaningful to all. GM. But they haven't. You know the the the executive director has expressed that time and again, how pressure that they are. It's the way, you know, for these extra large organizations we're our funding is only a fraction of what they pull in. Yeah owners or whatever other grants. But it's really appreciated. And I think it's really okay. be supporting them. So so I I hear your concern, and I I know I brought up a couple when I thought we're going to flag with other groups, you know, like. Is this insurmountable? Or how do you propose to get around this? And and we heard we we saw a very complete response from Laurie, so I appreciate that

[28:02] any any other comments. I guess I would look to you, maybe to make a motion, but a specific to our discussion, so make a motion to accept the report of the Colorado Music Festival and Center for musical arts. and with the request for an answer to general question about how they plan. I I don't want you to feel forced to come up with the actual question. an approach or an explanation to the the monthly deficit that they were showing that was so large. And then. if they haven't, you know, I don't know if it's content, it's tied to that large liability that they have in there. I mean, just thank you. Is there a second setting? That?

[29:04] Thank you. Any discussion? All right, let's go ahead and vote all those in favor. Okay, motion passes unanimously. Thanks, everybody. And the next the last one. And if chops okay, I guess I have. I I believe that I will. and through a band of times explanation. But I guess I still have this. I'm still uneasy about the every other year the incubation period concept, because and I know I brought this up a couple of years ago, too, when they said, oh, we had an incubation here, so we didn't. or maybe maybe I I don't i'm describe, but it was something like, oh, this is a year where we're not actually performing. and I saw it.

[30:00] Oh, but I think you're performing another city. So so in bold or miss out, you know. So that was my question at the time a couple of years ago, and it was Covid. So I think we gave a lot of different arts to the past during Covid. But now i'm looking at it. I'm saying, okay, 2 out of the 3 G. OS. 5 years are incubation years this year, which is, they may have workshops that they invite people to right now performances for saying older. So it just. I just gave, maybe pause, and I thought no other group, at least for the to Us. Funding has that kind of arrangement. And is that okay? You know. Is it okay that we're kind of giving them what I would call planning here, you know, like teachers have planning periods and planning here, or a a try out year, but really nothing to deliver to the community unless I mean I haven't heard about the public workshops that they've done so. I I have the sense that they were kind of just missing from older during this incubation years.

[31:08] so I just wondered if anyone else had those concerns, and I may be misinterpreting this I've seen never before. It's wonderful, but I also would love it if they do something every near, and Bulger, you know, or the for them a little bit of grant. We give them another small group. I guess I would feel better if and I would feel it's more consistently in line with all the other groups to sort of have that expectation. So we have colleen on the zoom call. So we could ask questions. But before we do that. any other comments from Commissioners. it's incubation years. The thing that kind of balances that in my mind is that

[32:00] this isn't something new. Their answer was, this has been going on for 13 years. This is how we generate it. Strong material, you know they're creating our stuff. and that they are going out when they have chops. if if they are doing those workshops at older, or if those are in other communities, or but they perhaps some more lively. And how you know. Where are they doing these workshops, is it? It's small workshops with just a few people, and it's really up to get the plug life, and you can see the work. You can progress. So I guess that's I want to see the benefits of the community. And so that's why Georgia comments. Well, I mean. how did they? We? We must know about any.

[33:03] I don't know that I realized it was a that doesn't make sense. I mean, I wouldn't. I don't think it would make sense for us to prove a grant to someone who's only going to be doing the work one out of 3 years. Okay. So I just wonder if we knew that when give it to them. And is that normal? I've never heard of people. I think every Arts group would love it, get paid for the year and not work so that you could just like i'm sure she can help me answer that. My understanding is that they're you know they're a lot of taking stress from my side. They're developing my own spread of their own productions. So it's not as though

[34:02] you know it's a order. It get a director and and work it out. But in 2 months you know from the ground that I just my understanding of how i'm switching on it. Yeah. we have other. but they also, so I guess i'm just making it. you know I think it. During the first couple of years of Covid we kind of gave a live passage, which was right, and and we should have. But now that we're back this morning on that. it just seems like, okay, going forward. This is setting a precedent for other groups. And or should we ask a little more specifically. What do you plan for the next 3 years? What? What is your schedule? You don't have to talk specifically about what you'll be doing. But how many? Yeah, yeah, Just so that we know that we're finding people who have.

[35:08] Okay. real, tangible benefits to the community. If so, you know. Maybe that's something to think about or retreat and tweaking them. I don't think we do that for trial. I think we've asked them. We are safely giving them money for sustainability purposes. Right? I don't think we asked a lot of yeah. Well, this is correct, you know. Ask a lot of specific questions about. What's your intention? Right? For next week we we mostly hear about what they've done in the past, and they've worked with the partnerships, and and that's sort of the strength of Yeah, we can. There are some other questions to what you just saw in the community projects for organizations like addressing how they, as an organization. Address the community priorities in the cultural plan.

[36:06] right? But there's not like how many, exactly how many specific programs will you do in the next 3 years, like there's no like quantitative questions like that. And some groups can answer that. Yeah, absolutely. They could say we do 3 concert sites, but that's exactly what we don't ask is because some can't, as we don't want a lack of parity, and how you meet the grants. It's about what they do, and how they do it, and on the schedule in those cases. so that you're reading what they do, how they do it, and where are they doing where they do it. And how do we? I mean that only sex difference to me. You know whether that it doesn't mean that i'm like the score. Okay.

[37:00] I would certainly look at it a little more critically. It compared to when it serves a couple of 1,000 school kids. It's just a matter of scale, right? So. please. if they're really only performing one year at a 3 in boulder, and they have that's only 2 performances of something or 3 performances for a year. You know what this their reach. I I guess I ask this because I know this may come up again, so i'm kind of asking this, is it? Are we saying? Have we already set a president like? Should we see if our guest has we all shoot? They also like do workshops or something. So that's yeah reaching people on that right? Right? I guess I can't find her. I mean it's showing. Oh, there we go. Maria, before we bring Colleen into the discussion. Do you have any comments? I don't. Thank you. Thank you. Are we okay with bringing calling in now?

[38:06] Okay, hello! Can you hear me? We can thank you. and I'm sure that you've all read the response that I put together. But you know, even in our last year, where we didn't necessarily have income generating boulder programming. We were still performing for the bolder community. So we did actually do a collaboratory performance as part of Boulder Arts week at the Museum of Boulder. and then we also did a very small invited collaboratory at the Spark performance center, and then we did a ton of educational programming. The the rough part about the educational programming is just because of

[39:03] where some of the band of Tufts company members are linked in terms of educational programming. We served the county of Boulder a little bit more than the city, so i'll be kind of transparent about that. We still calculate that our community outreach in terms of the audience reach that we had, which was really, I think I i'm not looking at the numbers right now, but i'd like to say it's 4 to 500 people that we still got, you know, Saw our work last year, and again, you have to realize that we're in the lowest tier. I think we're in the lowest tier or one of them. So our reach is is definitely a lot smaller than some of the Companies you fund. But even in that case of an incubation year, which again has been part of our structure since our inception we still did about 53% of our reach in boulder. and then the rest out of state. We have always been kind of unique in terms of how long it takes us to devise and then share that work with the public.

[40:09] I will say that we're planning on doing 2 public facing bolder income, generating events this year. And to be honest, I think that both 2023 and 24 will have bolder based performances, just knowing what we've been incubating. So we've really got 3 projects that we've been working on. and again, I think at least 2 of them will premiere in 2,023, and probably the last one in 2,024. So our hope is that out of these 3 years that you're funding us we're actually doing bolder public facing performance work 2 out of those 3 years. and I i'm trying to think if there's any other questions that come up. I definitely think that I can approximate, even you know, If if we're talking about looking forward to the next Grant cycle, I can approximate how many of those programs or income generating productions can happen in 3 years. I just might be off by one or 2 like, even if you asked me to do that in advance. I probably could do that in terms of the pacing of our company.

[41:24] I do you know, I think we've always known that we were not a company that could produce a normal, regular season, like other theater companies. And the more we grew, the more we were at peace with the fact that we really needed to take the time to do the high quality work. And again, even when we tour and get kind of recognition, either locally in Denver or now again, we're starting to get a presence just in Santa Fe. You know, I think again, that that to me really raises the artistic image of Boulder supporting that work. So I think the time and the quality of the work weirdly speak for themselves. But I can understand from a granting perspective that that is atypical.

[42:18] Yeah, I think it's safe to say that that's maybe I speak for myself, but I I am looking for I I i'm looking to grant organizations that are doing bolder performances. 3 out of the 3 years that that was me. Yeah, and I would I would argue that even in 2,022 that took place it just wasn't income generating, and probably didn't have as big of a reach as you might desire, you know. Yeah, fair enough, and you know, like Kathleen intimated earlier, it's not about It's kind of about the reach, but it's not about to reach that, you know. It's fine that people show up to a performance that's by people that we turn on to something cool, or we help to turn on to some form. So i'm not. You know. I'm not as worried about the actual numbers, just the fact that there was a tangible performance or 2 over 3

[43:14] L. In our little town during that time period. How do you all feel absolutely totally make sense any any other comments or questions. That's a good question. I think it's our third that I know, but I wasn't here for the first time it's it's it's it's it's okay. Maybe we should ask some questions, Sure. Yeah. And I, You know Again, I I try to be as transparent about our very unique structure as I can in both the application process and the reporting process.

[44:08] And yeah, to be honest with you, Lauren, it probably is because we've gotten funding before, but I don't know if it was even called Geos at that point. I think I think i'm categorizing sort of a third cycle in there that might just have been predated this this kind of shift. because yes, this is definitely only our second 3 year cycle. Well, I you're you're so articulate and explaining your your group and your your approach, I I I will be happy to approve. I just think it's something to think about going forward, you know, and and calling you for us. If you know that there may be some concerns, you know. I guess my concern would be, maybe, when you

[45:00] the publicity for the workshops. But that could be a little more inclusive, you know, or for you to repeat the workshops a couple of times in your in those innovation period, so that more people get to know you, you know, so that there is more benefit to the community. I guess that would be my Oh, that could be something that you could work out like that. And because the 2 out of the 3 years of this funding cycle. People might not necessarily tell you unless they happen to attend the performance at the boulder older during the World Ride suite, for example. So yeah, I agree. I think that's an ongoing comp company conversation, too. We realize that sometimes in certain ways, in terms of generating audience, we kind of like disappear and reappear. So So yeah, that's definitely something we're thinking through as well. So I think you know again, I think these are really healthy conversations just around keeping our bolder presence alive, and it's certainly a priority for us.

[46:07] It's just also this this kind of preciousness about baking the show until it's ready. So you know. I think there's a balancing act there. But I think definitely, knowing that that's a concern really helps us shape just how we publicize and how we can make that as inclusive as possible. Great! Well, thank you, Colleen Colleen, for listening to what we have to say, and I I I can tell that you heard our our our feedback. So so thank you for being receptive to that. I'm open to hearing a motion, or we can have more discussion. I would like to make a motion to approve that we did the call. That is that correct? I would like to make. Do you want to see the wording up there, or you want to wing it.

[47:08] Oh, you've been doing the 6 years I I make a motion to approve. I move that we approve the following reports that we approve the report. That satisfactory Yes, thank you. You. Okay. Okay. I that we approve the following report: I removed that we the call report for it's.

[48:00] Is there a second second? All the can we see, Maria? Thank you, everybody. Thank you, Colleen. Thank you. Again. I super appreciate. I think you're making all folder organizations better by the work you do. So I really appreciate it, especially for us. So thank you. Thank you. All right. Let's see. Yeah, it's just one more community project report from when it's just pushed language here. But hopefully. anybody like to make a motion or have some performing around.

[49:03] and they really have to make their audience. I love the videos that they have. As I was impressed by how they were able to adapt to what they were finding out in the field and make it work. I thought it was really interesting that wooden stars reported that they had intended to have performances in parking last they found out that the So then you started doing pop ups. I think the one comment I would have, and maybe it's a suggestion. Your request is that it in your performances I don't know if they're hearing us they could be conveyed to them in their performances.

[50:02] It's pop up right now. I it'd be great if they could announce that they have received funding from the Office of Arts, and I I maybe I was reading the lines, but I thought in their report it said something about oh, we didn't like give you credit, unless that that only on the video. And I thought, oh, there's always an opportunity to say, and we thank our many funders, including get the word out. But this is the work that we do for our. So. Yeah, and it could be as simple as a poster, you know. I noticed that, too. I also wanted to pull out. One other thing that I just remembered was, I loved the idea of having a petting zoom for instruments just going. I think that's what they wanted. A panic. That's how they where they could go. Yeah, they were out with them that it doesn't that inspire.

[51:05] Would somebody like to make a motion take a motion? Gotta read that. I move that we approve the report by moving Stars foundation doing business as pretend that is there a second second. Thank you. Any other discussion. and I can't see, Maria, so you'll have to let me know. Okay, all those in favor. Thanks so much, and passes unanimously. Thank you. Everybody. So can I make a real quick point of process statement. Yes, please. I have been lucky to go to school with someone who told me about Robert's role's orders. There is an out for you in this long motions. You are allowed to make a motion. as it appears in the packet by just saying, I move. So I I make Logan as this right in the factory, and that's acceptable. If you make any changes, you have to read it out all right. Okay. So.

[52:07] Georgia, Sorry you could have just said. I've been doing this for a number of years, and I just always and put it up there because somebody had to read it. It's not bad behavior, but you know it's wrong. It's not very complex. It's up there and stuff, so you're right. You direct. If it's in the packet as you and you're moving it as written. You Okay, cool, so you can change your emotions, Lauren. In the future. It's okay, or whatever. I think it's better to read it out. We're all it's. We are all very good for 300, and in the community I have to thank you for watching the recording. That's nice for them to that was definitively Yeah, all right, matters from Commissioners. And look what's there for? Oh, sorry. Can I just go back to.

[53:14] Well, I just wanted to fill you in. I said I would bring you up to data what's happening with street Wise, your art festival this summer, and right away we've got a clock, and we are shipping a format to work towards. Excuse me toward more sustainability. Instead, one big fog festival, with 20 or 30 walls over 4 or 5 days, 8 or 10 events. We're doing a series of smaller mural pop up events that are 3 to €5 with supporting events over one or 2 days. But we'll do this 3, 2, or 3 times a year, so they're spreading out the experience for the community to have more opportunities to engage with the I participate in community events. and she says: this will also allow us to give more energy to our other 2 programs. We've education and community partner projects which for a while we produce such a large festival.

[54:09] The shift could help us balance our programs and still have a great impact with how the community experiences the different neural projects we produce. So that makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, yeah, no. It sounds like they're they're you know, she and whoever figuring it out, you know, to keep it sustainable. And sometimes you get up good. Yeah. And this is why we well, giving Geos grants. So people are figuring out what they need to do to be sustainable. Right? So yeah. great. Thank you. And anything else Catholic. but it looks good on the screen. Yeah, I have. I have a comment. I just want to my next. So do you want me to do that now, or

[55:10] I thought I might get a little emotional. I didn't want that to happen so. So I just wanted to say, and it's 3 paragraphs that Just bear with me here tonight on our day of remembrance I like to honor those who died and were injured, and their loved ones and the King's Super Shooting of 2 years ago in the past 3 years with the King Super's Tragedy. The Losses of the Marshal Fire the national reckoning over social and racial justice, and 3 years of dealing with the pandemic. It's clear to me that our just help console and heal us, unite us and strengthen our we all. and has inspired us, and and also for us, joy. Reflecting on the past 6 plus years in the Border Arts Commission, I believe the Arts Commission has accomplished a great deal for the community by helping advance diversity, equity, and inclusion.

[56:04] I need to keep focusing on the separate which we know is providing opportunity for more working on this and bringing the community together. and we need to keep advocating for more funding. We've seen our budget more than double, but we know that the need and the impact of arts and culture are tremendous. and we could do so much more with greater support. I'd like to thank City Council for having a point of me and the arts and Culture staff who have inspired, educated, and supporting this work. and to you, my fellow commissioners for all your dedication to the shared commitment. My greatest gratitude goes out to all the artists and cultural leaders in our community, our partners in creating a more creative, vibrant, and equitable city. Hmm. 30 min ready back. I just yeah, You know what I what I think are like the missions I don't know. 3 years ago, 4 years ago, I was the new guy, and

[57:06] it was an interesting bunch of characters different from the interesting characters we have now. But I I I always enjoy hearing what you had to say. Sometimes it drove me a little bit crazy, because you always had something to say. But then there I forget what the tipping point was, but then I realized, you know it's so easy not to say something. But how much more important is it for a person to actually say something, and you always spoke up, and you you shared what you felt, and I I learned to value that not just in the commission, but just in life. So so I thank you for that. showing me that it's it's better to speak up and to just remain silent, and sometimes it's so easy. It's so easy to not say something.

[58:02] Thank you for your leadership as chair. If I remember correctly, you did 2 years during Covid you stepped out. So thank you for that. You. You gave me a great example of of your leadership. Then you said a high benchmark, so I hope i'm coming even somewhat close to to achieving that. Do you think you're succeeding in your jumping? No, thank you for for all the to make the Arts Commission just even more relevant in our community. Sometimes we just get a little jaded and stuff, and, you know, looking at all the grant applications and trying to put in enough time. So we're not just coming quickly over some and more time on others that maybe we're more interested in. I always felt that you put in the same amount of time to every single thing, and then that that's a great example for our fellow commissioners.

[59:01] So, more than anything. Thank you for all the time you've put in I I so lot of time we end up doing. I don't think people know exactly how much time we put in, but you always you. I set up a high benchmark for the number of hours people put in. So so thank you. Thank you for your service. Thank you. We're going to miss. Thank you for your lovely comments, so appreciate it. Okay. I did use to it on the quarter. I was 30. Yes, every Commissioner right down on the, and I think that helped the staff document just how demanding it was right, and I think that all my council to understand that this is a good commitment, and you know here for it exactly anything, anything to take it with my money. I might encourage everybody to keep it asking for more. The worst we're stuck in here is now.

[60:03] right. But you won't. You don't get anything if you don't have. That's exactly my thought. Yeah. I think it's modeled a lot for us. So so I I You know you're still in the community. You only have 2 blocks up there. So always. if there's something you you want us to know, the please email me, or whoever the chair is at the time. because your your opinions are value. Thank you. It's been a great honor. Yeah, there are times when I was carrying my hair out as i'm. Sure, you all have late nights reading through applications, but it is really meaningful, and people's full lives are built around their their work in in the art unites and culture, and I think it's great that we get the opportunity to.

[61:02] you know. Consider what they're doing, and just support them if we can. Yes. really appreciate it. So a few things to say right now. But I want to defer to you, Chris. If you want to start. I will let you. I'm: okay. I mean, we still have a good Thank you so much for your leadership over the years. I want to point out that first of all, when you started we had a celebration of the fact that they double the Grants budget the $450,000. And yeah. Now we're over 1.2 million. So that that was obviously you.

[62:00] But but seriously, I mean that was your start. Was that effort right? And then we went from there, you and I to starting to implement the cultural plan, adopting the statement on telephone equity, a really rough year for the first year of Geos operational funding that we resolved very successfully the establishment of the public art policy, and then the establishment of a funding mechanism for public art. the transition to community vitality. There, there's been a lot. You have done a lot here and 15 yeah, it totally is. And your the things you add to that team are profound. And I remember having a conversation with the David far in the Director Library department when you first were chair. and our conversation was, it's caffeine to be loud enough to be the chair. I'm in i'm in i'm in I'm. I'm. We were talking about microphone. But what can we do to help that? We be successful, and there that first meeting to the last meeting. You were chair. You were

[63:18] a presence right to end. Your intelligence and your clarity and your thoughtfulness were amazing. Whether you were in the chair or not. you were in a incredible part of this team, and the success that we're seeing right now is in November. so I have to say that those 2 years of sharing during Covid all of meetings virtual. It was really trying not a tech.

[64:02] And you know, let our brains do what they should do in in a meeting of people. Right? So thank you. Well, Kathleen, i'll keep it short. Well, 6 years ago I was still living in Salt Lake City, having no idea but I was going to be picking up my, so I know all the changes that so many of us have been through, and I just very. I am very much appreciative to everything. Keep them the commission. So I have to do that. I get to be the one it's like, how many I eat at these mission meetings, and I was like You gotta be something. So as you're talking about appreciation, we do have this. I don't. I don't know this, but I have an idea i'll tell you. There, there, there was a time when I when I am receiving over the yeah, a little stone black. But we've started a few years ago, investing in local artists to recognize

[65:05] That's my piece by local artists that be able to explain yourselves sent to a professional development workshop, and where it's going to make You say users how much staff every day you have this evening every month. Bye bye. it is. That's why it's I didn't like.

[66:27] Oh, my goodness, I think it's that's yeah. We get standard etching. And you can. She's having workshops during both ours. We went to go talk to the artists about how she made it. It is very good. It's just gonna have the workshop. Yeah, she's having more. That's my is this the girl that's in the Fifteenth Street. Yeah, she's at Colorado.

[67:03] She just offends. Yeah. So I she opened us, and i'm so glad you have stayed our studio. This is gorgeous, and I know exactly what i'm hearing it. Thanks. And she invited me. It's really cool. Good. hey? 25 artists. Well, thank you all, and I to the public in the outfit I don't know. Thank you, Kathleen. Ready to move on. hey? Let's see matters from staff.

[68:02] All right. So it it's acceptable. I'm just gonna go past the questions about the managers. Memo. If you have any questions, you know i'm in. But for against time in the next discussion it's gonna take a few minutes. I thought I would just say one thing about the managers update, and that is that boulder ours. We it's great, Lauren. Would you like to talk for 3 min? No, not even 3 min. So I think we're behind it's gonna to show the the like graph that I made because I made it. It's coming out with April to 15. As for you, sure it's completely packed in a whole bunch of super fun things. This year we have a full out on the Other Weekly and to pull out like what it does. So even I out for all of it. There's a time going on. If you want some recommendations we're doing like. Actually, I think we're gonna ask a couple of you to help us some some recommendations, so no be prepared to help us. But it's gonna be fun, and some of us are hosting things

[69:10] cool. Thank you. So i'm gonna hand it back to Lauren again in her last agenda. Item, which is update and questions that come out of the Council adjustment to the budget. You know we've been having a selfish for a while. With a quick recap of that last year they asked for staff recommendations for the remaining American Rescue Plan Act part with funds. Those recommendations included a $150,000 for the art Grant program to focus on artists and Venues Council asked us to increase that to $250,000 they conduct a few public hearings. We talked about it in this meeting, and included your recommendations in their package.

[70:00] At the end of the day. Their final direction to Staff was to just the budget by $250,000, and so part of the recommendations of staff that we've come back to you as is required by the ordinance that established the program to find out how to divide that money up in the Grant program. So over to Lauren on what that might mean. So this was included in your packet as recommendations for the sending allocations. These are the recommendations following those just quickly. This would be over 2 years. So you have the number of grants. the annual category budget, and then what? The category would be over 2 years. So it'd be those number of grants each year for 2 years. That'd be 2023 cycle 20. So starting this year as soon as possible and

[71:00] next year. Are there any questions about this? We have some motion? Language Are there any thoughts about this. Yes. maybe my last question. What happened in 92,000 for I speaking out of now. And yet i'm still getting a baby. No. But yeah, so Council received that in their packet as our convention we are the Commission. It's the got to be recognition staff. We need to stick to the original recommendation and Council didn't have a discussion about that. So they approved the $2050,000, so they don't have information on on that they do not discuss. and so do we have latitude of like, I think, what we'd originally talked about was using the original allocation for what we had said. It would be to any additional ongos. Do we have let me to do that? Yeah. So according to the Grant's ordinance, it's up to you to have on how to divide up the funding.

[72:06] I will say that it's important that you stick to the intention of council, as is articulated in the motion that they asked, which doesn't Reflect you that recommendation. So don't ignore ours and what you decide, please. But yeah, it is ultimately up to you, and how you said, that line up the money, and here's how you needed to divide it. This is the staff recommendation on how divided? But you can make it different. So it wasn't what? We as a body right? And this is one of them part of a Okay, since you know it's more many 95,000. Well, they give us an additional 100,000. We we, as a body, said that should go to to fill in for those groups that it weren't, and he's saying that they didn't discuss that. Yeah. So I I only say that because I don't have anything further to offer you from council other than they asked them both right? So yes, you can tell us to divide that up differently.

[73:14] Us funding. But I wouldn't recommend that you say forget about our just venues, because that's actually what was. Yeah. so it it. It would not make you cringe if we use the original amount or venues, and our just hiring, and then the additional add on amount for G. I think that would be appropriate. Okay, because I love that idea. So the original. Now it's how about 1, 51, and then it's over 2 years. So when it and we've got it.

[74:00] do you have that from the previous meeting? What that was breaking down into. I have a different one. Is it appropriate for me to, or I can actually let me just put together a quick spreadsheet, and we can do this live? That sounds appropriate that we also have a marker board. If you do the so it's cool. Hmm. And then the public. It's. It's 70 in the south. It's I'll be. Mark the board you do digital. It's in that last 5 50. Actually, i'm just gonna share this. So this is an excel document with a couple of different breakdowns. I hope they can all see it properly. Hey, Maria, if you want to say anything, you're welcome to unmute and like shout at us. So we know that you want to say something about that. Okay, that sounds great. Thanks.

[75:07] We like shopping. Here we go. I see? That's I. Okay. So the spot version is what you just saw these strategic funds with. Then you so divided between venue and online event. So like it used to be critical assistance right? And then artists hiring, and some to grants. Those are the $3,000 grants that again last year the bottom is a breakdown which dedicates 192,000 to the general operating support. France will be funding those, and that's just to have this as an as an excel document, so we can. You can. So how many the large organizations didn't get their grant do we have? That Yes, so there are 5 that were above 26 points. So we're

[76:10] scored very highly, but we didn't have enough funding for at the time, so the the harmonic is the extra large boulder valet is the largest organization creator. Roller. Youth. Orchestra is the mid-size, and then the 2 small are them, and sponge cake and the big dream. So there were 5 total that you met the Point requirement that didn't get funded. Right? Okay. I i'm. Curious about how many organizations out there under this staff recommendation. Could an organization apply more than once a year for a $1,000 at the moment? No, we don't allow organizations to play for more than one.

[77:06] Are there 35 organizations involved in that could use a $1,000? Thanks. Oh, because I know a lot that could not because I actually don't pay that much right, because it has to be 50% of the total right? So i'll say that we ran out of those grants within 20 days of opening them. So they were first come for shirt, and they on by January twentieth, and we had 4 organizations that even had applied, and I had to decline 35 is a lot. So i'm i'm frankly not sure. But there's a lot of interest in it. So maybe okay. Sorry boots on the ground. You know what's going on, what people need. what organizations need. how we, how are we able to help most? Is it through the strategic funds, or to

[78:02] I will say, if I pay you all right. the staff recommendation will stop the lead of why we came to you with what we think will be best. We don't discount that those 5 organizations scored well, that they would be helped by us funding we've for. But for a couple of reasons, you know, we didn't put that into staff recommendations. I mean, first of all, it's because we've been beating that drumbeat through the City Council conversation. They are the ones who said artists and venues are the priority, and we, you know, examining that. But also we're not keen on partial funding. You know. I I know that has. You know. That's It's not universal Back some. There's recent to that partial funding would help people, but we would rather fully fund a grant than find out that part of the funding was less effective. and it generally is so. You know we're definitely open the alternative. So i'm not saying that staff is the best, but it is something that we they're thoughtfully considered, and things on balance the right way to go.

[79:08] So what could it look like if we, if we had just the original $150,000 over 2 years for venues for artists. Does this represent you? Will Caroline? And for you, yeah, I I I took the math really quickly, based on the pro that you had originally, and it would come out to over 2 years $42,000 for the venues, and $108,000 for the artist hiring. That's for the 2 years. So divide that in half per year. and that's on top of what we're already giving to that. Is that correct for for men? You? Yeah, these will be additional being 35 grants. It would be 21.

[80:00] Right? Okay, i'm making a new one down here 54 plus. So while you're doing that, Lauren, I just want to talk this through real quick, because If we're talking about a $100,000 for operating funding. we would have to decide on what might be several options. But I see to immediately first would be to divide that up proportionately in the same ratios as the other 3 year funding right, the normal funding. Or you can pick and choose organizations to fund right. perhaps fully right, right? So that would be city doesn't. Want the organizations to be partially funded. Yeah, and and that's just the principle that we operate under that partial funding ends to be much less effective. And so we stay away from partial funding. Now

[81:07] I understand that it also has benefits. So if you recommend that we will do that, but we caution against it. So for those 5 groups when they get the full amount of money for 2 years. So yeah, and 3 years ago they get actually. So there's definitely a reduced amount overall. We would only do 2 years of funding, because that's what left in the cycle. But there's either the option of partial funding for everyone. and we would basically divide this up by the ratios that are present in the normal program. or we can fund some of them fully and not fund others. Yeah, I mean, that's where it gets interesting for me, because. as somebody mentioned earlier the extra large organizations. They have many different granting systems, and they have lots of resources that the small and mid certainly Don't have.

[82:05] So I feel like if my my personal opinion is that if we were going to throw some money to Geos Grants that met the threshold. that perhaps we leave out the one extra large organization. and you know. give me up that money to these other that that certainly needed as well. Yeah, I was gonna say. i'm trying to think outside the Boxer right? When I I spoke with one of the larger organizations 2 months back. explaining what was going on with it, and no organization. No, we would love, you know, any money. Partial funding would be

[83:01] greatly received. But it was one of the larger ones, so they're in the position because they have several avenues where there's this small. So I wonder if we could like with the 100 Fund this 3, the small ones, and there are 2, 3 small ones, and then and then split just down in the middle, the extra large and the large whatever is left over to split it from the middle of to do it that way. We would have 2 small and another suggestion of something. I don't know it's available for on the lookout. But i'm wondering if you have the overall percentages for those 5 organizations, so they see who like in terms of at least within their own. relatively higher. then we can certainly look at their scores. Yes, they're all above the line, but they there must be a way to them in terms of how they

[84:09] how they performed against the field. So thanks. I have to say that I have to say that I wouldn't want. I think I want to split up some, you know, 2 or 3 of the 5 groups funding. I probably give them all on, even if it's somewhat reduced, and only for 2 years. We did do this the last sorry cycle, where in the second year several groups got funding, and they hadn't got it. They got the the second and 30 year funding at a somewhat reduced level, and they were so appreciative. So

[85:09] I think the fact that you know it's an extra large group. It doesn't mean they don't need our 45,000 or 50,000, whatever it is, they do need it whatever we can. What was the number that they had to hit to be funded. Nice thanks. So 2727 is where the funding was cut off. The 20 and 26 is the special. So which of these organizations would be in our 5. It would be lemon sketch cake. And but how about the other?

[86:03] We, and just for a fraction of the night? Yes. and we have for mid-size. The greater boulder. Youth Orchestra is at 26 from the spark was 26, point 17, and it's in the large category Sorry I'm. Jumped around there. It's been large. It's 27. Is that how? Yeah, it answers? Okay, good. if I may interject. Or I kind of wrote your idea up here. So I think this is what you said correctly, but we have all in one bid. We would fully fund those 8,000 for each small 10,000 for each mid. That would be $32,000 in total funding for small, 20,000, and for bid that would be a total of 42,000, which would

[87:07] the 58,000 divide between large and extra large? So if we to buy that out, you could conceivably do 10,000 per each year for 2 years for the large organization, and 19,000 each year for 2 years for the extra large, or we can monkey with those 2 numbers as long as they equal 50 to 8 to edit. And in my it's great. Yeah. it's 52,000 is the total for the top, 2 1 52. So

[88:00] so thinking about, you know, when it's 48, we score these organizations, they I guess one of our. I would argue that we're we are ranking them all the same criteria and this thing score system. Alright, but I need that. Well, I mean that's not the way we are putting it. I guess the stakes are higher, because the grounds are larger. and also for the mid size to large to extra large, and also those are the groups that tend to do the most hiring of other artists, and the most for diversity, equity, and solution, because and they have staff people to do the work right. So so I I i'm looking at the I don't want to stick the

[89:04] It's a large as much, I think if we're. I think we should just. Maybe we give it to all 5 groups, but we gave it proportionally, you know, so they all take less than we would have if we had different sources. It's. I've been 10. But think about a 21 venues per year. Okay. Okay, that's your team. But at the same time it's a small organization that we still be able to stay open to in the future.

[90:08] I can't read it. I'm sorry I don't know this is especially 150 it's now 1, 32. Yeah. But you're going to discover the numbers. You think that here what was going based on that sort of number of cracks. So what I would do. That's all orchestra. They are the ones that I think. and that, and I think it.

[91:11] Hi, how are you? It One me? But it seems like the strategic, but they're more critical for what you you're talking about. One much. Yeah, I mean, the tos is yeah, I mean, the tos is. i'm not very about to go about hire regardless. That's what the strategic fund they're you know, $50,000 that he is a part time person to.

[92:03] or maybe a couple of part 10 people. I'm just saying that they are more likely the larger decision. some unlikely to actually hire art for creatives, and to use that Federal money. That was in terms of primary artists and supporting venues, they are more likely to. That's what. Yeah. So that was about several things having to do with recovering lost funds from lower tax base, restarting programs that were positive pandemic. But for our purposes it's specifically about supporting industries that have been most. by the way, academic and research. So the way that we've interpreted that is, the arts industry, one of those in. And so the artist hiring incentive, and the arts administration hiring Grant both of those for tired cartridge. Towards that. In this case we added venues because venues became a discussion of portability of venues. And so we suggest to help. We already have the rental assistance.

[93:19] So it's still great. Yeah, you know it's spread out over 2 years. So you know it's it's. and which is a good thing. I think that's wise. But yeah, that was part of the original recommendation was 450 so, but it's reasonable to wait to fill the gasket, meeting 4 or 5. It's it's like a Yes, so

[94:13] sorry. What I was just saying is that I think that we should split it in the way that it is given. because the extra large gets almost double than what the medium. Yes. so it's 10 and 19 per year. So whatever that

[95:03] the number she put up looks like they total a $100,000 a good 5. We could give all 5 organizations. Let's identify that there correct so well, I I think we should just try to wrestle with it. And and but the I I think the where we are. The discussion is that is one often that you know, between you and Georgia we sort of arrived at, and you were saying, if the small organization is more okay, i'm back on practical sorry. But I think this list says what you are saying, Kathleen. that I don't have any. So this takes the $100,000 and gives it to you organizations. because

[96:09] what do they is to the Geos? Does it usually get $14,000. Right? Okay. So this is what you were just saying. The grand amounts have been reduced for large and extra large organizations to make a $100,000 work because we were $92,000 over standard giving. So then, on the small and mid for those the normal numbers. Okay, so this I was Yes, so it's like a mix. The alternative that I put out there is instead. We still have the bottom. 2 lines, venues, and artists are the same as you see them. the top would still total 100. But basically you would be saying, put those into the same proportions as the ratios of the current fund, so we wouldn't build those ratios out as a As a portion of

[97:02] you know, the total grant amounts in a normal session, and then apply that ratio to a 100,000 to get the different amounts for each. I I think it's that need to to the formula. Yeah. And then there, there's No. if there's no like. Oh, i'm a mid-sized I should, you know, i'm getting the same as a small. Yeah, Well, on actually it was. That's what I was working before when I misunderstood, so i'm. But you got it. Thanks for the load with a few dollars left over great. So that's what what is it? So? When it's you know what's left over, I believe. Yeah, it's the next $160. Yeah, he's gonna get it.

[98:04] But for taking it. So this is times point 5, 2. It's a per point, 5, 2% of the total amount of all of these amounts. So if I could. Yeah, exactly. It's 0 point 5 2 0 8, or something, until the right good people. some money left over in the balance category for more different is that because they just haven't been awarded yet there's like $50,000 for extra. This money we can. I don't think so. 50,000 an extra large 40,000 and large 10,000. I think those are still to be paid out. Okay, that's explains that. Okay.

[99:04] And then we we are definitely spending all the money is in the current budget right like the leadership pipeline. And the yeah, you know, we're gonna come back to you with some things. Then the realistically. There is always a little bit of money on grants that get under spent. But we we won't. Make a decision on that. Actually. So this is the I I might speak for myself. I like the way this looks I intend to like. I could live with that. It is so, Lauren. Yes, it was just simple is looking at that. Do you like that? Are you opposed to it? And the artist hiring it to be very appreciated? It's a really good program. I'm sorry the what

[100:01] the artist hiring. I think Maria might want to speak. I heard something. I'm. I'm good. I like this. I like the scenario Better. too. Thanks. I have 2 questions. Remind me what the artist hiring incentive. Grant was $3,000 awards to go to artists that live in the city of Folder. So they were a lottery style. The 2 rounds right specifically for artists to perform or create new work. Okay? And then the venue. Why, i'm wondering why it's only a $1,000 the how I just looked at the venue last week. That's not even actually a venue, and they are charging 4,000 others. You can't, because I I am not sure. Actually. Yeah, we we acknowledged that a $1,000 doesn't go very far. So it was more to the decision was made to spread that love around and get more organizations on

[101:06] relief. on some funding rather than trying to cover for the okay, so how much for the total when, according to the scenario that you just had out coming through the total venue. it would be 20,000 21,000this year, and 21,000 next year. So that's 21,000 each year in addition to okay, and then that's added to what we already have. So how much we have this year we had 16,000, which is gone. So it's gonna be 37,000. That's right. Okay. And when we're ready to go to a motion. Let's not go to motion. Pull off and do a point process. Okay. if that's not for you. because so it seems like if we were to not our heads. I'm getting the sense that we're like, so

[102:00] a few of us are liking this, so I am happy to entertain a motion of somebody, but like to make one and let me do my point of yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Georgia, since you were from ballet, I'd recommend you recuse yourself on this entire decision. Okay, yeah, that's a good idea. So it we haven't had any in first meeting where anyone's. So we have to leave the room. Sorry. Thank you, Georgia. Okay, that was for me to close the doors. Let's see, and 10 feet away from it. So let's see. We can have more discussion, or we can. Nobody can make a motion. Do you have a

[103:01] Okay. So you need the script or you got those your last motion. It's it's it's complicated. But I can't say all that. and that's not the final number like you're going to do. Another is that the a tiny percent of point of right. So what do you recommend? You? You move that of the 250,000 in a button adjustment assigned by council. Start at the bottom. Our Our desiring incentive Grant budget be adjusted by 54,000 i'm sorry 108,000 venue by 52,000 and general operating support be divided among the 5 organizations that did not receive 14, but scored well in proportion to normal general operating for product.

[104:01] I move that $250,000 in our it'd be grateful. We have received from some Council being apportioned as follows. $108,000 for our desiring incentive Grant 42,000 for venue and online event affordability fund. and the remaining about to be divided among for G. OS. 5 to OS organizations that from a small to extra large for 2 years of funding at at a proportional rate to the standard Gms. Do we have a second? Thank you, Caroline, any discussion?

[105:01] All right. All those in favor. Alright. Thank you so much. It passes unanimously. Thank you. Everybody done that 6 years of experience. Thank you, Georgia. and to catch you up the motion we ask you. All right. Let's see. I think we're done. I just wanted to pay before we close. I was walking around downtown the other day, and there's so many things I could say about that. But next to the Tea House was a wonderful event, celebrating our rooms, the Persian New Year, and it was delightful to see that area being used again. So I just wanted to make sure that our office of community vitality was well aware of how important that space is to be used.

[106:16] not sitting vacant like it has been for years. and i'm gonna do everything. I i'd like to do everything I can to see that space used more and more by arts, groups by dance groups, by any number of things. So I I apologize for not including that under matters for commissioners, but I just wanted to plant that seed, because I think we need to follow up somehow, and help facilitate this happening, and i'm not. I don't want to get into it. Now. I don't know if it's whose jurisdiction that is, if it's park and wreck, or if it's this, or if it's that. But whoever is handling that area. we that could be used like every single evening like it used to be before Covid

[107:04] one night would be Salsa dancing the next night would be, you know, Walt, swing any number of things, so I just wanted to put that out there. Thank you for giving me the space to do it. This came back from Owhaka, and they're so into like people creating the streets, singing and brass bands playing and neural art everywhere, and it's like people just get out in the streets and express their all. It's amazing. So i'm up in Mexico. Yeah. So for P. But we could do that, You know we could get back to it right? Yeah, that's one thing I noticed: some result. It was the same way. You both dance and streets all the time, and it's like one studio with we were the last class. We have live music for all the dance classes. And so if we're playing, and then someone across the street starts playing with, we just have to play louder, you know, if there was no like.

[108:07] there's no that I I I should have included that matter. So I apologize. Why? Why did they stop doing that? Because my friend was running that organizing the Do you know what the Department did is that they were dealing with? I don't know if you could ask her because I'd love to be part of a team that works on getting that area more accessible. I'm not i'm not even. You know i'm not a dancer. I would just. I just love to see people out there, and it seems like dance is a good fit for that space, and everybody was doing it before Covid and I missed that. I missed people out there every evening. Yeah, alright. Let's move on anything else. all right. This meeting is adjourned.

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