November 30, 2022 — Boulder Arts Commission Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:11] Hey? Um! And we're back. Welcome to the November thirtieth Alder Arts Commission meeting. Um! We have Some people live, and some people in attendance and some people online. I have any time. Maria. Um. I'll just quickly read the Land acknowledgment. The City of Boulder Arts Commission acknowledges the city is on the ancestral homelands and unseated territory of indigenous peoples who have traversed lived in and stewarded lands in the Boulder Valley since time immemorial those indigenous nations include the Apache, Arapaho, Cheyenne, Comanche, Kyowa, Pawnee, Shoshoni, su and yute

[1:01] um. So our first order of business is the approval of the agenda I hear a motion it to the agenda. Um, is it Actually, you have suggesting, in addition to Ah, okay, Normally, I'd say that for the discussion in between. But yeah, we? Yeah, all good. Um. So uh, do you want to bring up the changes, and then we'll we do that? We'll do another motion, you know again. Um i'm promising that we um uh with Bruce's permission that we uh discuss the questions for new commissioners. Um, just very briefly tonight, just to see if we're all on the same page about whether those are the right questions. So um, I assume everybody received them by email today. So I had I I do you have? But I didn't. I didn't have. She has three. And then so it's. So later. All right. Thank you. So that would be during uh management. Okay, Okay, Okay, cool. So we got seventy.

[2:08] Let's see. Set in. D: Yes, thank you. Alright, So if the with this new revised agenda, would you mind redoing your your motion. At least I would that be approved to attend that, as you guys do a second. Thank you. Any discussion Alright, uh raise your hand if you're in favor, and the vote is unanimous. Thank you. And now same thing for minutes approval. We'll start with the September twenty twenty two meeting. Is there a motion to approve anybody at all? We actually had some revision. Okay, did the fellow Commissioners? Yeah, the copy of the Revised Minutes. So I don't think there was anything substantive. Is that right, Kathleen?

[3:10] It's my directing the name of the uh community culture, I mean, you know it's just people are voting on it, and they haven't read it. I know that I've been doing. I did that for a couple of years, so you know we've made revisions. They could be always very minor. Okay, let me just give it a look around again. I read them before. But let me in that context. Let me. Just look at real quick. Okay, Thank you. Um, yeah. They they're nothing substantive. That's different. It's just It's mostly grammar. Um. So thank you, Kathleen, I have something,

[4:05] and I don't recall saying that it sounds smarter than I think it's. It's on page four near the middle. There's a paragraph that starts curves and the line screen processed. I was looking at the last sign in her encourage sensitivity to the scheduling needs for organizations and suggested permitting pre-recording statements that the Commission opts to include an oral component, if somebody else recognizes them as as their thought it may have that we've been in it. We do a flashback, and everybody else is like. No, I said that

[5:05] I'm happy to be so. Nobody's claiming it. So we we go back to the recording and and make sure it's accurate. Okay. And so and and you can still pass it with that as yeah of the future, the chair will entertain a motion. Then, as amended. I I I um. I move that we give you a second. Thank you. Any discussion. Okay, all in favor. Please raise your hand. Thank you for your motion passes unanimously now.

[6:02] Approval of the October twenty two retreat minutes, any changes to that? Actually, i'm gonna ask. Uh, Are there any changes to the November seventeenth special meeting minutes. Then we could just do it both together. Right? I I had one question here, actually. Um! This felt this. I wasn't that meeting. So just about this other person. Okay, I just Oh, that's right. Yeah, And that's I'm: sorry about this. Here, the separate meetings. Yeah, Okay, All right great. So with that revised thing that things substantive. Um! Anybody want to make a motion to approve those two minutes? Thank you

[7:00] all in favor. Please raise your hand. Thank you. All right uh public participation. What do we have? So no one has signed up ahead of time, and sorry i'm just going to check the chats, and we don't have anyone last speak. We will move on to commission business, the calendar. Okay, um. So we provided uh sort of outlook on the meetings uh for twenty twenty-three um. Keeping in mind that we moved the meeting time to the last Wednesday of six to eight Pm. Um, and then we threw into sort of some of the regular agenda items that we might expect. Um, They're all tentative uh, and then the retreat, of course, will have a big negotiation on when and how to do the retreat Where? Um, So I I just wanted to point out two things is the the holidays that we run a foul of uh that um last Wednesday of November, just like we're experiencing that one.

[8:10] And then December. We don't have to do anything about it today, but I just wanted to make sure that everyone can commit, and it feels good about sort of spread of meetings. And yeah, I just. I want to get a sense that when we get those revised meetings, because I know a lot of people have to make plans, especially around the holidays. So, knowing those dates well in advance, I want people to have plenty of time to, so we could do a couple of I mean you could do them right now, you know. Honestly or um, we could plan an agenda item a couple of months in advance to address those which might be smarter. So you you know, people like sort of it gets in the radar. Yeah, like sooner in the year than later. Um like maybe February March kind of a thing. Okay, yeah, That I That's good. Yeah, I just want everybody to have the day as well. So last Wednesday, although the for Wednesday of a month in in November is like the day before Thanksgiving,

[9:16] and then the one in December was that week in between Christmas and New Year's. I just didn't I I felt those were awkward dates to have meetings. So, but in January going on is that four-thirds Well, that's the next agenda I don't know today to discuss that. But just you know, if if there's any questions, or if there's any like blaring objections to that overall Calendar, it's wanted to, you know, sort of talk it through now. But yeah, we'll We'll plan an agenda out of specifically about those two days. Okay, Great. Thank you. Ebony and Maria, You feel good about that was perfect. So can I go on to for me then? So you know to that point. Um the December meeting. Uh, I believe that it's the twenty eighth um is what would be the fourth

[10:10] of Wednesday in December? Um! We actually don't have a lot on that agenda. Uh, there are some reports that are probably gonna come in, but they don't seem like things that can't wait until January, and there's no public art action items. Um! We certainly could keep it. We could move it. If there's topics that you want to discuss, or anything of urgency that needs to be taken care of. Staff recommendation is to cancel. That's interesting, Right? How do we all feel about that? Is anybody just real quick uh raise your hand if you're opposed to that idea of canceling the the summer meeting Gonna give us plenty of time. Anybody raise your hand, Maria.

[11:02] Hmm. Sorry. I think Caroline and I are still working through some of these uh harassment type of, you know, supportive artists. And I wonder if we can continue to work through that via email to get your feedback in the next month, so you know I just hate to let that ride until January, so if there's a way we can communicate um do some informal work. Um Bruce that way via the Internet uh, what? For the agenda? I So that

[12:04] yeah, potentially a a admittedly. Oh, to we don't see anything that would cause anyone a problem. I, Georgia, that we we don't see anything that would cause a problem for people um to wait until January. Thank you for bringing that up. That's a good point. Um. Okay. So can we ask if anybody has a for stories? And then I mean, I guess, Staff, that you guys are off. Um! Is there a reason that can't help the meeting? So are people gonna be there? We're talking, George, about the December twenty eighth meeting, and whether or not they can. So in the one thing that we would not be going, that the one thing that wouldn't happen is the Grant reports being uh confirmed so that the last checks could be me to those current recipients. It's gonna send the balance until they

[13:06] their final report is approval, plus everyone's going to be here. Yeah, I'm going to be here. Um, I Well, I guess I have to look to staff to say What's who's going to be affected by that. And if if there's nobody that's going to be affected, and there's no bad feelings that are going to happen if we don't have a meeting. Do you mind joining us for a second? Um! You anticipate any Grant reports, or do you know who's probably going to turn one in sure we have um one already. Actually, anything that's after that initial email I sent last week. Um, But we did this for the retreat as well, because you didn't vote on any reports, and I just send a note to whomever um has turned into report to say, Will this cause any um undo hardship to you if we delay this until January, and they all said it was fine, I mean, for the

[14:10] for the couple that we had for the October meeting. I suspect we'll have um. Actually, I can look at my document. Hold on one second, so the the well she's looking. You do need to decide to actually need to pass a motion to cancel the meeting. Right? Right? That's the only tricky part being it looks like we might have about five or six reports that come in um to which I could just send them a note that it would happen in the January meeting. Um, I i'm probably traveling that week. But there's Internet everywhere. So I hop on for you know, an hour or two. So so what kind of delay are we talking about for the people that are affected.

[15:00] Twenty something meeting you would approve it at the or, you know, approve questions whatever at the January meeting, and then, right after that they would receive their payment. It' be January twenty, fifth. Okay. So basically a month it gets pushed back from there getting a check. Okay, Um, Hmm. And so I just don't know yet. But I either way I i'm gonna be. We have a day yet for it. Yeah, I mean December twenty eighth. I am wondering if we could have a similar adjustment, as we had this month of a special meeting of thirty minutes, just to approve those reports one week in advance of December twenty eighth, so we'd all be there, and we'd all know this is not normal to our meeting. No one's going to anticipate that. And just because i'm thinking about what's best for the Grant recipients, and that month, especially in the holiday season, that that could cause more undue hardship than usual, and of course there are definitely times where

[16:12] I imagine there are people saying, Oh, it won't cost me any hardship, Lauren, because they don't want to cause a negative. Uh, you know, communication pathway with Lauren and affect their future. Grant proposals which of course, it shouldn't. But those ideas can come to people's minds. And so I want us to do what's best for the Grant recipients, and I think that might be having a thirty minute meeting a special meeting one week in advance and canceling the two hour General Meeting on December twenty eighth. As for the reasons mentioned earlier, you might, if I speak to that. So I I uh, I think that is technically possible. Uh, the only thing that comes to mind that might uh be worthy of thought is that, you know. Generally, when you like um have special meetings with meeting days around you'd want it to be later than the meeting rather than earlier, because if someone misses the meeting, and it's coming up, it's better than if they didn't know it was coming up, and they got it right. But what I

[17:13] I I I just say that is like That's a standard practice. So I think you can do what you talked about special meeting. Make sure that we have uh enough to make a quorum. Um. I'm not sure if we can do it online, only we'll last it, clerk. It might have to be hybrid like this. Um. But um, we could yeah, potentially have only one agenda that impact the staffing considerations from some of yeah, we would have to figure out what we will figure out we so I guess one one way to to go is to make that a half hour time, and about twenty-eight but some time in the summer. Some some time we would all we would need. That's just a weird. We have a meeting. Um,

[18:00] but but it's just an idea. Brainstorming. All ideas are good. Um, we have, Lauren. Send out that email to everybody like she's done before, and everybody respond, saying, Yeah, that's fine. If it's not voted on in December. Then we move it to January and Don't have the meeting at half hour meeting, except you have to cancel the meeting tonight. Oh, you need to but make a motion to cast. Uh, so are are you saying that if we were to have this special half hour meeting, we'd have to have it first in a January. We'd have to have it after It's too much. Okay, what about this? What if you guys passed the motion that says if Lauren's responses come back it to confirm that no one needs it in December, then it's cancelling. But if Lauren's emails come back with anyone who needs a tab. Then we will hold it. But maybe we could hold it on the twenty eighth

[19:10] at six Pm. For thirty minutes, one agenda, item and all. All we need is four people to confirm. Okay. And I can be here. Yeah, Okay, yeah, how does Brier ebony? Do you think that's okay? That that's fine with me, and just concerned about um staff time, and just that you all should have a break. You'll work so hard. So I think it's Lauren. You have any objections to that. Uh, it would just have to be hybrid, because i'll be in Missouri. Yeah, it'll It'll either be hybrid or zoom. Only. So this in democracy. We're so we're open to all ideas. If anybody has any other ways to make this work, i'm open.

[20:00] I think we should just do it. We're all gonna Seems like we're going to be here. I I I guess. Yeah, I I just stay on time. There was like a big like. Everyone's gonna be out of town, and you know me from busy that day. But you know I I do feel awkward asking Staff to to to do that that particular week. It's just an odd week, so you may be out that day, which is fine. I can cover your yeah early in the morning, so i'll be here. I'll just speak on the week before I'll be out of state, so I wouldn't ask you to come back. After that I was planning to be on the I like the idea of just a thirty minutes like That's just get a time to do the one that on the agenda.

[21:08] All right, so everybody will do. Do we need to vote, or can we just? Uh I I mean, are we talking about the conditional? Then. Yes, we would need a motion that. So? Yeah, even one person, if they want to do it, we'll, we'll do it. Yeah, Okay, uh. So we want to make a motion to that effect. I'll move that, Lauren. All the reports that will be due on the twenty eighth, and if there is at least one one reporter who will be inconvenienced by canceling the meeting that we hold the meeting for half an hour, and if nobody mind, you cancel it there a second, a second. Thank you. Any discussion.

[22:00] Okay, All in favor. Please raise your hand. Thank you. That's unanimous. Thanks, everybody. Oh, I was just saying, we're really all showing up for our artists. And I think these are those moments that artists Don't know about, and especially if they're not attending the meeting. They're like. Oh, the bac doesn't do it. They They don't know what we do. They don't know if we're doing anything for them, and it's like No, all of us are going to show up on December twenty eighth, to make sure, if necessary, that they get their grant finding on time. So I just wanted to, you know. Call out that I'm really proud of us for showing up for our artists. Okay, thank you. All right. Great program. Just taking that one, Lauren. All right, Lauren. Good evening, everyone. Um, Thank you very much for reviewing the um change in program request and the reports for this evening. So i'm going to take you through the um change of grant request first. Um!

[23:13] So you received both Megan's application, and then her um letter to you about wanting to change the request after a couple of years, frankly of um trying to get into the National Guild for Community Arts Education Conference. Um, she's now um wanting to attend some um some courses through coursera, which will be super useful for her work. Um at Rocky Bridge. So um for this change in program request. Unless you have any questions, you would have the option to approve the change, to not approve the change, and request the return of funds, or to postpone the approval pending any answers to any specific questions. So i'll give it back to Bruce.

[24:02] Thank you. So the you all see the the three different choices. We can make. Um, I guess um was was making online because I see her in the Okay. Um, And so my questions are: How much was the um of the original grant. How much have we paid out? Sure! So she received um a thousand dollars to attend this. It was in New York City, and it was right before Covid. So she received a thousand award, and then she received eight hundred dollars of the funding towards that award. This is one where they receive eighty percent before the program, and then the final twenty after their report is approved. Okay, So what? So as I was thinking about it, I thought, you know. Certainly, we're still hearing about Covid impacts this one of them

[25:01] uh, but also um, she's no longer going out of state for conference. So i'm wondering whether he you know me. I sort of cheap. But you know, I mean, if we say, okay, you've received a not. You're gonna see eight hundred dollars, And you're not actually one. That State conference. We're using the spring online um program and online programs are, I believe, we award at five hundred dollars. So i'm just wondering whether um, you know that's a very nice sum of money. Eight hundred dollars for some time to do up to do online work now. Well, I see nine dollars per month. Yeah, it's a It's a monthly page. Um. So I just was wondering if that might be enough to say, Yeah, thank you for letting us know, and we feel like um,

[26:02] you know, to do the online work you publicly would. It would have been given only five hundred dollars. So, and you're not actually traveling. So it We feel like You've We've done the best we can for you, and you would want the three hundred back. How many months is she going to have this membership? That would be ten months for both membership, and it would be more like a year. Yeah. Her intention was to to do as much of the programming as she could in twenty twenty-three. I just wonder whether this is another situation where we set a precedent somehow by awarding more, and then not the person not being able to attend the you know, and have a conference, and then we've kind of overpaid for what what it is they want if they want an online thing Um. So once again it's. We've had a lot of those come up last year or two like, Are we setting precedent?

[27:17] That makes sense? Um, Maria, If any of you guys yeah, I I I feel like, uh, we shouldn't be punitive about this, that we should give her the funds that she want it really wasn't her her issue, that the issue I have is that her original goal was to um engage more with Arts Education, which I think is a a weak spot we've been talking about for several months in in the community that the desire to educate people in the arts. And so I wonder if we can have stipulate some of her online education is more towards art education. She certainly could use some for strategic planning and marketing, but I don't think all of it should go to that. I think some of it should come back to her learning more about arts, education, and how to engage the community further through the arts.

[28:07] Lauren, Is that possible? That's a great question. I can certainly ask her, of course, and see what sort of courses are offered. I know that she mentioned just like talking to her that she's shifted her like her own priorities during the Covid. Um. But I can certainly ask if that's something that she'd be interested in, and if she would. Um! If there are courses as part of coursera that she could take. Well, she have a finished thing. I you know I was looking at the court, Sarah website, and they they're very um. There's a lot of mystique around getting like a certificate. They you have to get in their database and register before you can see the price of how much they charge for a certificate. Do you know, by any chance

[29:00] for her letter says she is not looking for another diploma or certification. So all of those are available on it is simply looking at the knowledge for organization and tools to approve. Okay, So she would, the the money would go to a subscription model where she's just gobbling up as many as she can right with that, just to be clear that there's no um. There's no documentation that, says she finished this class, or you know any class there's nothing. There's nothing You're just kind of auditing, because that's that's the the impression I got. Is you're essentially auditing classes. Unless you pay this money for a certificate uh which is fine. I'm not saying it's um required. But if we're looking for any metrics like you finish that class. You got this thing that says you you attended, and you successfully passed. There's nothing like that. Um! What's the title of the original grant, and the nature of it? I know it was for this conference, but what was what was the name Grant.

[30:06] Was it specifically for arts, education, professional development, scholarship? Yeah, this is a professional. So she would be going to this community Arts Education Conference held by this National Guild in New York City, and she tried, like I've spoken to her over the years she really tried. She was really excited for this conference, and they just have postponed it, and maybe not hosting it again. So this was her work around with her new kind of um goals, right professional goals, and with her work at Rocky Ridge, I mean generally I'm. I'm fine with changing it over um. I kind of like Kathleen's idea. You know it does our We do have the fiduciary responsibility of spending the city's money properly, so maybe that is a a compromise. We want to ask, but as Well, anybody else want to speak to this

[31:01] ebony. You got any opinions you want to share. I am just making use of this chat, and I mentioned that I just terribly agree with Kathleen about precedent setting, and i'm wondering, um how that motion language may be applicable. I think that's a question for Matt. Can we move forward with the idea of not taking any money back, but also not providing the final twenty percent. So yeah, you you're allowed to do that. Um, You're basically finding the grant to be in a form of default to to do that. Now, we we wouldn't penalize, though, so there's no penalty for that if they applied this coming here for another thing. No, I mean we would. We would not like that. But it would. It would basically be saying, like, you know, set up to do something. You didn't fill the terms. So the twenty percent is, I don't. I wouldn't want it to reflect negatively on the person. Well, I, and in your motion you can say through the whole of their own, or something like that,

[32:04] we do have a follow on question there. So, Matt, how would that potentially affect our conversations on budgeting with City Council next year? If they do see that we have a grant and default. Is that the kind of red flag on um for them when they think about budgetary decisions? Or is this not something that is a a major concern of theirs. Uh, you know I I I hesitate to speak for every individual Council member. Uh, but I would say no, that you know the minutes will reflect the discussion, and we'll make sure everything is clear about why you're making this decision. Make sure It's clear that you know we're not holding them responsible for that or anything. So I think that we could. We could articulate that awesome. Thank you, Maria. Yeah, um, Bruce um. And and everyone looking at the National Arts Education Association Website. They have free Webinars on there that are related to ours Education. I guess i'm stuck on the

[33:00] needing to can continue to foster Arts education the community. So I I would be comfortable with her doing the Coursera work if she also did um Some of these webinars that are free uh on Arts education. So I think that's where I want her to stay with the original topic as well. Lauren, is that something we can for lack of a better word mandate, you know. I can ask her. I'm just not sure if she professionally is focused on arts education anymore. That's the only thing that i'm I I don't know her well enough to say that she's working in that still. Um, but i'm happy to ask her um where she could, either in Coursera or through the free webinars. If there, there are opportunities that she could um do. Some of those do some of that course work as well as what she was interested in with strategic planning and marketing.

[34:00] I hear you so I hear you saying like you words giving the grand hopes that she would be focusing on Arts education. But is that really what the grant was? I think that's the change qualitized for the great. I I think that's really the core of the question. Right? It's. It's not so much. What did this person elect to do with their professional development? You know, uh plans. That's their decision. And the grant, the the decision that you have before you is, Does this still qualify as professional development? Now, certainly, you know, to Maria's point you can suggest, like you're heading that direction. We think it's still valuable that you do something. But really your question it is down to is this still a qualifying professional development. Oh, you use the professional development funds at all right. It's up to them on what they want to do for their own,

[35:00] You know I I and I think it's also, you know, practically a good idea for you to stick to that. It's like you guys make the decision on what is best for you. We're here to help fund and make sure that you get advanced your career. You got to decide what your career looks like um. So you know I would. I would really segment It's like a a approving. The funding. The change in the the funding is just around. What are the rules for our professional development? So we don't. I don't think that it's like necessarily like in our scope of work to be saying like, Well, she's not sticking with Arts education, because that's what we think it's still important. But if that's not what she's doing, it's not what she's doing, and I would say that strategic planning and marketing is keep for somebody who's in a directorship role. And then what I said um to say that I do think um so. This professional,

[36:00] so I would be willing to give her the rest of the grant. You know it. Um, but I just. I guess I wanted to make the point. Whenever these things come up with like a resetting precedent here, everybody's gonna decide what they want to do that you know. It's something to think about. We we did cut back during Covid by that, and that we cut back all our stay travel, so nobody could get more than five hundred dollars, right? And everything was online. So I I realized this was, You know, i'm gonna make a motion. It's moved now. Very good. Yeah, Okay, Yeah, we've all we kind of discussed that's gonna say, anyways, okay. And I do think it is within professional development. But I do think there's something about

[37:02] what we give for online and what we give for upstate too far. Yeah. So I think if she changes that, then she changes and it falls into an online grant, and I would not want to ask her to give money back. I I could be, since that we just happen at the Eight hundred, But I I would like this not to go into. If that's technically what would need to happen then? I would, both for something else, make it cause any problems. We have your assurance. You have my promise. Oh, does somebody want to make a motion?

[38:04] Yes, I make a motion, the to approve The Megan grants with the note that no additional funds will be distributed there a second. Thank you. Any discussion before we vote sweet all in favor. Please raise your hand and um and all opposed. Please raise your hand. Thank you. Thanks. Um! And before we go to the next one I just want to say I can't read the any chat stuff. So um i'm not sure see. And along those same lines uh maria and ebony um if I if for some reason i'm not seeing that you have something to say either. Just like,

[39:03] Do that. Maybe, my, I will see that on the screen easier or just on my unmute yourself, and just start talking, and that that'll help me know with what's going on. Thank you. Thank you. Um, all right. So the second one, Martin. Yes, thanks again. So you received five grant reports for review. Um, Thank you again for your time, and reviewing them so. Um! For each of these you will have the option to um. Approve the Grant reports to approve individual grant reports with outstanding questions. That's where you approve it, and then I ask questions for follow up at the next meeting. You do not improve, not approved individual great reports, and you cancel the final twenty of the payment, or you can postpone approval of individual reports pending answers to any specific questions. Um, I will give it back to Bruce for discussion through these, and I do have motion language if you want to

[40:11] change it around, or you know, discuss. But I have motion language to. Okay, Thank you. Um. Well, first off. Does anybody want to make a move before we get into a discussion. Does anybody want to start that discussion with making a motion to approve them all? Yeah, no. Always discussion. Great. Thank you. Any discussion on that I would appreciate if we go through each individual. Grant. Okay, um. So just to talk about it or um, yes, and to not uh approve them all as a batch, but to approve them one by one

[41:08] motion rejected it we well, let's see what's easiest. Do we? And then just do one by one, because there's a motion on the table before. Yeah, I I think you just make the count of motion. Oh, sure motion. Yeah. Okay. Another motion that is different. Okay, Ebony: Can you just change that into a motion, please? Yes, it's my first counter motion. I'm: So I would move to approved individual Grant reports period. Well, why Don't, we just go ahead and go through the model that you can make a motion for the first one. If that's appropriate, you know that that would be the other motion is no to motion on the table. We'll set that aside for a second make a motion on the first one. We'll see how it goes through that. Alright, So we'll start with the new Mary

[42:02] any not knowing where you're going with this ebony. I don't know if we should start with a motion for each one, or a discussion for each one first. Oh, Bruce, you know how to say the kindest thing if we start with the motion and then move to discussion. Okay, So would somebody like to make a motion to approve the Newberry. I'll make a motion to approve. I I think. Just one thing, I think, Kathleen said this earlier, you know it's it's it's evident still that Covid is having a impact on the Arts community, and they mentioned that. So I think we need to continue to advocate for artists in this time. Anybody else.

[43:00] Okay, Um, let's see. So we have a motion on the table, all in favor of approving the Grant report for a ninety second. Please raise your hand. Okay, Ocean passes unanimously uh the second one. Um, let me say at bowel. Thank you. Uh. Does anybody want to make a motion for approving the Grant report for valuable before we make the motion. I did want to call out that I really appreciate the specific activities They listed to the fine audience engagement, as well as their audience quotes. They gave numerous, I think occasionally some grant applicate our grant reports. They only give one or two, but I think they gave like nine or ten. It was a really robust um. So I just want to call that as a positive and a thank you to Lawrence. I know that you are on the back end, working with quite a few of our grantees. So thank you for just helping them produce these really fantastic reports, hey? Thank you. I mean um.

[44:03] Anybody want to make a motion to approve their Grant record? Just one thing, I think. There, um add to Ebene's compliments. I think their graphics are beautiful and just beautiful graphics, and how that's put together Great! And I want to say that I loved that the timing worked out for their two sold out performances. As Covid receded a bit like they had the sweet spot where people actually came to up to um to their performances, which is, continues to be a problem. You know we keep hearing that only sixty percent of of um of performance calls are filled, and that they may sell more tickets than that. But so it's. You know It's affecting everybody sort of psychologically, as well as financially. I'm grateful that Babo had a great experience

[45:03] anybody else. Okay, all those in favor. Please raise your hand. Thank you. A motion passes unanimously uh number three butterfly effect. I will entertain a motion to approve their Grant report. I'll make a motion to approve the um report for Butterfly Ring theater truck. Is there a second second? That thank you. Chefs uh plan to say heather for all the great uh data. Um! She noted that it's hard to prove that you're working toward equity. The margin of error is so great. Uh, for example, in some cases, a third of the survey participants, I refuse to complete survey, so I don't know whether you know that that choice of refuse to complete or just did not complete. But so that's one thing I guess I quer your on, you know, not in a formal way. But just you know, how do you? How do you,

[46:13] uh prove that you have a a diverse audience, for example, when a third of your um. So you know, noted right? Yeah, there's always very good with data, and she breaks up some of these sort of things to think about anybody else. Um continuing along those same lines as Kathleen Kathleen. I think we drink the same water recently, because we are just in sync tonight. Um on page three on that same element. Heather did stay out in quotes. We've included the opt out numbers above to show how big the margin of error is. This measurement issue is a major barrier to racial equity, work and audience development, especially when households of color opt out of returning surveys. I do have to know them. Kind of curious Do households of color have a lower survey response rate than other households? And if so, what's the source? Data for that as well as um what steps the heather and Betsy

[47:12] take to ensure that households of color did, in fact, receive the surveys, and felt the psychological safety necessary to complete the survey, if that is indeed a barrier to completion rates along those same lines as what Kathleen was saying. It's just that the language that was used, and i'm sure it wasn't um. There was no mal intent. It was a bit off putting, and i'd love to dive deeper into that, and make sure that any any misconceptions are uh removed, and a full understand, feel, and clear understanding is uh conveyed on the other side kind of separately. I did as Kathleen mentioned appreciate the statistics, especially that more than seventy-five percent of Amelia's big idea survey responses. Our respondents were influenced by the no cost nature of the show, I think that was a great representation of how Heather and Betsy are specifically meeting and aligning with folders, community priorities, and kind of rounding back um to that those questions around uh households of color, lower lower survey response rates and um ensuring they receive their uh surveys.

[48:18] I would motion to postpone approval of this individual port pending answers to those specific questions, we have a motion on the table. Would you like to amend the motion or withdraw it? Or would somebody like to make a new counter another, so i'll just point out to another option. I'm just post phone, so you can leave that option table it till next meeting, and then questions appropriate. Um! Let's see who who made the motion. Okay, if you want to withdraw it or to withdraw my motion, and uh

[49:12] the other option that we um. I'll quote approval to for this individual report from Betsy pending answers to specific questions. I just wanna note that that will put that on Lauren's table. Thank you for your uh thoughts, You those are interesting. I had No, I didn't do that, even to the part that you were reading, and now i'm thinking about it. I know Lauren wants to say something, but do we have a second for Kathleen's new motion? I second Kathleen Ste. Motion. I just wanted some clarification on the question specifically, because I was listening very tently, but not writing out anything, and I just wanted To be sure, I have them correctly for everybody, and if you want to add anything from the full commission um

[50:12] ebony, if you don't. Oh, she has it written out already. So um do. Households of color have a lower survey response rate than other households. What steps did you take to ensure that households of color received and felt psychological safety necessary to complete the survey. If that is indeed a barrier to completion rates. Does anybody have any other additions to those questions. I actually have the basic question of where people I just assume that people were surveyed after seeing the performance. So I thought it was the the audience that was responding to, you know, a pretty small survey. But if heather's using words like households of color, then who did they survey so that that would be my question. Who is actually surveyed,

[51:02] and for what? And for what right? For what reason? So maybe we see the survey questions right right and just to Ebony's point. I've been working with um some groups um in that mobile own communities, and that is a big thing for them feedback that I've gotten that there are people that live there that you know they are not legal immigrants, and so they don't. I mean if they're in hiding, Mhm even though the people who at the foundation of our communities right? Alright, So we have a motion on the table with a second um. Any other discussions it. Yes, yeah, Bruce. Is it possible to um approve the report and ask for this information as a follow up?

[52:02] Yeah, you can do that, Matt, saying, Yes, Lauren, how do you feel? Oh, that would be the second that approved individual. Grant reports with outstanding questions. You've done this before. If you a few times but a few months ago. My my feeling on that I don't know if this story time person comment, but my feeling for that is that i'm very interested in the answer, and I don't think that there, whatever the answer is, should be a barrier to them receiving their how they treat, that I agree as well. Let's see. So. But you want to withdraw your mode. The new Can I push back before we talk about withdrawals? I'd um. I appreciate What, Caroline and Maria, the sentiment that you're I believe I understand and appreciate the sentiment that you're going for there. But I do feel like that specific language, which again this could be a complete misunderstanding and a complete mis wording. But I did pick up on hence of microaggression

[53:09] there, and I don't feel comfortable, approving a grant that may have microaggressions attached to it when we are so focused on racial and cultural equity at this time. Can I ask where you feel those, since those absolutely I'm in that quote of, and i'll put it right here in the Chat Apology, Bruce, that you mentioned you weren't able to, and we can see it now on the screen. Oh, perfect. But yeah, Specifically, I thought that there was a interesting element of saying, especially when households of color opt out of returning surveys. There was, in my opinion. And again, this is why i'm so excited to hear heather's responses, because i'm sure as Kate Kathleen mentioned. There was no mal in, and it's a pure miscommunication. But the call out The households of color are the issue is causing me some concern.

[54:07] I can see that it's in intentionally putting the blame on our Miss Cue numbers on people of color. That's my that's the way i'm reading it. But i'm again. I don't anticipate. Um, I think I've met heather before I don't feel like That's the way that this is actually going to play out. Once we fully understand her perspective. But at this point we can only read what she has provided us, and what she has provided us does seem to have hints of microaggression, and maybe she does have information that isn't in there that that is leaving her to say this that we don't know. So i'm just curious ebony. How would you prefer that we proceed? I I definitely think the uh motion that Kathleen put forth is the best way to proceed which is postponing on uh pending those answers, because hopefully, at the end of this it's like, Oh, it was misunderstanding! Here's the rest of your money smile. We all walk away really happy. But I would love it if we get all of our information before we make such a decision.

[55:06] Yeah, and I I appreciate that. So there's a motion on the table. Um! It could have more discussion, but my preference would be Let us phone now, so just gonna call it all those in favor of the motion that's on the table right now, and the motion is to postpone voting until Exactly. Yeah. So all in favor. Please raise your hand right. Thank you. Pass it unanimously. Thanks, everybody. Thank you. Evany. Um All right. Number Four Boulder Opera. I moved to approve the report from Boulder opera there a second. Thank you. Any discussion? Um. Minor notes, just great fantastic pictures, and a question for Lauren. Is it possible for us to share them on the B. I see social media just because I love that interaction of the kids really being zoned in on the art being brought to their school. And i'm just wondering. Is there a way we can amplify this great content?

[56:16] Yes, it's one of the images i'm using for our grants program for twenty twenty-three. When you look at the Arts Education Grant program, and as we get closer to those arts education opening deadlines, that that is one of the highlight images because they are so fabulous. Yeah, I've seen that it's so. It's so. It's amazing. It's amazing. I I had to go through the first class. I I had a comment about um. This report um uh reach nearly two thousand students through performances. I've got to acom at three schools in Boulder. I'd say that's an excellent return for the community on a three thousand dollar.

[57:08] So thank you, Boulder. Any other discussion, alright, all those in favor. Please raise your hand. That motion passes unanimously, and the last one Number five fresh air. Do you want to make a motion to approve? I i'm sorry. Go ahead. Oh, I motion to approve the grant. Is there a second any discussion? I didn't see? Okay, I must have not open something correctly. I didn't see any photos for this one. Okay, i'll look again. Okay, Okay. They did not load for me. Okay, i'm gonna look again. Okay, Then what? Making Sure It wasn't the speed, and then, just out of the side. I think I knew the two women that had organized it from when I did the workshop on the You mountain, you reservation over the summer. Those are two of the people uh that had made this

[58:16] a lot of the stuff, So that was neat in there. I just wanted to thank Kelly for um the photos of these beautiful and made out it's um which it really works apart. So you'll definitely look at the photos, you know. There's a bunch. Alright, So uh any other discussion. I also wanted to call out they had excellent budget management. They didn't go over by a penny. So I I That's like a really small thing. But I mean fantastic budget management. So great Job Kelly. Thank you. All right. Any other discussion. Right? All those in favor. Please raise your hand. The motion passes unanimously. Thanks, everybody. All right. Our public art program all turns on that, all right, and we're running about thirty minutes behind. So we're going to try and um with that as well. But um

[59:10] uh what we have for you is a proposal to extend the letter of intent with the Nobel Monument Public Art Project Team Um and Lauren you back is with us. Um on the call. Um! Who's representing the family of um now? Mcdonald, who unfortunately passed away before we could complete the execution of that uh letter of a tent. Um, I want to say, for the public record, like he was an incredible partner, a passionate voice for this project, and uh was wonderful to work with um. And so his passing is a loss for all of us, especially for the family who lost another member of that family recently as well. They're going through a lot right now. But um! The details are in the packet. Um! If you have questions for Lauren, we can post them to her. But there's also staff recommendation to go ahead and um extend the date on the letter of intent. We'll have it um use signatures on it, and um we did suggest it for two years.

[60:16] Um, partly because now of the new leadership team in new context, it's important that they have space and time to uh do what they need to do as a family, and then move into fundraising and do so at a very challenging time. So uh, we do suggest that to your extension. Yeah, thank you, and thanks for making sure everybody understood It was a two year extension, not a one year. Extension um is with somebody like to make a motion to do. We need to vote on this. Yes, so I just wondered how many hours, and I know we don't have any here, you know many wonderful, wonderful congratulations, you know.

[61:03] Um. But I wondered how many hours this might impact the new um or any all of these staff. So i'm, I'm handling it. Okay, how many hours will this impact staff? Um! How many times have been a year or a three year period where the artist's team is here, meeting with the Commission. So i'm thinking about your time and our time, and what the it it it it's hard to tell um what the project is in early in design. Um! And the fundraising needs to be complete. So then, there's a lot of needs to go on. Um, I would say that without the benefit of you. Start thinking it this further. Um! That it's like any other public art project. Right? It's going to take a a span of years, and even after all the funds are raised and you have a design, and we have permits We're talking six months of the year to install

[62:04] um. I don't see anything about this project that would be more or less than we would expect. You know the project So um! What would happen is the same thing you've seen with all our other public art projects is we will integr it. It's already integrated into public basically work plan. And so when we hire a new public art Administrator Bill review that work plan and set the schedule to it, and we would come back to you and explain how that I don't think this is going to have a negative effect. It's it's part of like sort of the run up show for of the you know, any other public. My other question was, Has the artists team made any progress toward reducing the scope from the cost of the project which was, leave the estimated to require over three million, so I don't know the answer. We can certainly ask Lauren, but I don't know that there is an answer right now. I'm just transitioning in touch. Would you do it? Am I muted or no? We could hear you. Oh, okay, Would you like me to answer that? I've

[63:04] um. Thank you for hearing this, and i'm Don Mcdonald's nice um! I have had a couple of meetings with the artist and John Grant his his manager, and they just uh they're very much wanting this to continue, but they they wanted to make sure we had some legs under us before they do any work, and so we have a little more seed funding now than we had before to uh alter that design. We certainly want to reduce the costs. Um, I think there were some things my uncle was wanting to add to the design that the city really didn't like, and and we agree, and so we are trying to streamline things. Um raise the money, and in terms of time for your community. I did watch the Art Council um meeting that was in March, uh where my uncle was there, and and you talked about that as well. And the letter of intent that you okayed at that meeting was sort of conditioned on not

[64:08] what you know, spending, taking too much of your time, and it was more on giving us time to fundraise um, and then, of course, um! My uncle died in May, and so we are um now trying to get back on track talking to fundraisers, and we anticipate that the work is really on our shoulders to come back to you and say, You know this is the progress we've made, and um we, you know the work, the burden of The work, I think will be on on um Dawn's daughter myself. Um, and the artistic team, if I understand correctly what our goals are right now. Thank you. So there's uh, Bruce. Can I ask a question? Yeah, I I think. And I think we're all saying the same thing. But as I recall uh, we last talked about it. We, I think the term we talked about was, you know, to put some rails on the the so that it had some criteria and some boundaries. And I think, Lauren, you're addressing

[65:12] that you are looking at um having some criteria and boundary, so it's achievable. Um, I do want to share with everyone. I know. Matt knows John Grant. He's an excellent partner in public art, and um he will. He has the experience and can really help shepherd this project through completion. So I think he's a fantastic addition to the team, you know. Put some rails under it. Um, we're not interested in, you know just some idea we we need to ground it, and um, you know, on behalf of my uncle. To be honest, very dedicated to this. Um, So there's suggestion motion in your packet. If somebody's a license. So on screen, if somebody would like to make a motion

[66:08] right, I move that the exploration of a letter of intent for the donation of a work by by the noble monument team. The extended to November thirtieth two thousand and twenty i'll second alright. All those in favor. Please raise your hand and thank you for joining us. Well, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Look forward to seeing you again, bye, bye, great matters from commissioners. Um arena, and Caroline. Yes, no, you You start No, you you start

[67:03] um. I don't remember. Who else was there that in had a joint meeting with the Human Relations Council many Commission um a couple of weeks back, and they were very supportive of the idea that we work in tandem with them Um. And had some additional ideas, including perhaps folding some of the the outreach work into um. The experiments in public art program, and also wanting to, uh submit a joint public um statement via the newspaper, and doing sort of a joint press release that they would like to do within a month and a half of our meeting, so probably in the next month, which is why Maria had asked for some, some working agreements to to do that by email. So the they were going to discuss it um, and get by in from their entire commission at their last meeting.

[68:06] I miss that meeting. We're hoping then that can. And I don't have an update. I'm sorry I did not get an update, because if they just met uh yesterday before, I think. Yeah, but they were expecting um. Maria and I had offered to come and do a presentation, and they felt, and we're exhibiting that they completely understood what we were going, for they were fully supportive, and um that it wasn't even necessary for us to go catch it, so we expect that there will be uh very large support. Um! And then so we have some items that are still. We're waiting here back from the commission you are going to hear back from um some of the staff in the city. Um! And then Marie and I were going to work on some language for the website. Sure, um. So we have a couple of sentences we want to read to all of you and um, if it's all right, Bruce. After the meeting, maybe we can send this out so people can think about it and provide feedback. Do it on the fly. Um! So i'll go ahead and read it, if that's all right. Bruce

[69:13] mit Ctl. And Uh, the Boulder Arts Commission deeply believes that our community is stronger and more vital when we are inclusive of all voices and perspectives. The Arts Commission continues to be a vital institution that stands up for those who are targeted and excluded because of their race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender expression, religious beliefs or backgrounds. One hundred and fifty. We support the building, a community where all artists and create a feel empowered in their freedom to express themselves. If you, an artist or creative who needs support around these ideals, the following community resources are available, and and that's um, of course, where we uh are working with the Human Relations Commission to find some links. That sounds good, you know. I guess if I had anything else to add to that, it would be giving some concrete examples, so people can see. Oh,

[70:02] we're really, you know we're talking about the facing flyers or the facing actual pieces of art. I don't know just some examples to get artists thinking out. This supplies to me, even though I thought nobody was paying attention to stuff like this just a just a thought I. I'd like to wait for you to have your discussion before I do. But I think there's some things happening. Uh, First of all I did have a conversation with Staff, and uh, the recommendation from our Communications Department is that an Obed or a letter to the editor is maybe not the best um method right now. You could do whatever you want, you know, like like I say in every sense I say to you, it starts with that, I know. But, uh, but the fact of the matter is that um from their perspective, who are, you know, are so better experts on this sort of thing. Um, there's a lot of,

[71:01] you know, community conversations that would be a distraction, especially around things like enforcement of laws and policing that the context of this might get lost in um. So you know we'll support you on what you want to do. But their recommendation is that a motion of the Commission uh a statement, one that we send out one that we can post on the website, put in the Newsletter one that we could share with the interse that they could adopt. Um, It turns out the library is going through something right now with um dry Queen story time that relates to this? Um, but that, then, brings us to what I think is maybe the most critical like pivot on this is uh the club Queue shooting was at an arts that it was a direction. Yeah, right. And so far more than harassment we saw on reports we now have as part of the overlay. So I I I also want to like sort of express the gravity of that. And if that has the impact on what you would say or how we might go about this. I think that's worth your discussion. But

[72:08] to that end City Council is going to do a declaration about this tomorrow night. Right? Um! So you know it. It seems to me like a wise idea to build off of that in whatever way I you know, I I think i'm of the essence. We need to get out there and and say what we need to say. And so you know I I don't want to stop you from doing anything that you want to do today. But um, you know. So building some context around that. Uh, from from what the account says, and you know sort of the expanding tragedies that we have to do. So. Um! Are you suggesting context when in that blur? Yeah, you know, I i'm not. Sure. I I think, Mario, what you said was spot on, and and i'll understand when I think about like sort of examples. It's like whether it's not something I want on the front page of the website. But mentioning the fact that this has that context

[73:03] is, maybe, you know, if you didn't say it, would it be a whole in the effort. Right? Um! That that that's more of my thought. And so maybe it's more like, What is the preamble to the statement? Or what is the nature of the resources themselves? Or is it a reaction to the city council statement? Saying, City council said this: We experience this in our Grant reports and people are in the community who need your help. And so you know that's my mind. I think the other thing, that sort of come out of the conversation I had about this exact issue with communications is that you know, the thing maybe you can do best is to then say, in addition to we stand against harassment. Um. In addition to here, things that artists can do to protect themselves or to help the community, there's also what the community members do, which I don't think we've talked enough about, and just the simple act of a statement that says the Art Commission believes that you, the community of Boulder should go out and attend. These events show up in numbers,

[74:08] you know, supporting the Lgbt community supporting the immigrant community is also attending arts, events that that are a part of that community. And so that's a way to stand. Um. So I I don't know if that's a technically it. But certainly a call to the community that says, Um, you have a play in how artists can feel safe and connected and welcomed in a power right? So i'm sorry that it was sort of like random stream of thoughts. But that's some something to maybe. Thank you a little bit more appointed. We were very general. It's just wise. So I, which is very wise. But I think that suddenly, after what happened on the alright, um, do you need anything to you. And

[75:08] so it sounds like there are a number of options there, though. Um: So by the general approach. Is that what you asked? Yeah. Well, one thing that could happen is Maria and I can revisit within the context, for Matt just said and further tweak the language before we set it out to you. Um, if that feels like a direction you guys want to go, if you, if you do want to be more pointed in what we have to say if we would just edit it to be more points for Yeah, I I would love to see what you've done. I know you worked hard on it. Well, I would say my my suggestion, Maria, if you're up for it as we do another work, session and sort of what we have, and then we distribute it. I think it. I'd like to suggest, maybe, that we write two statements. One is immediate, and addresses the context of some of the current events, and then one that

[76:07] that can be transferred off the website, or in one. That's more of a legacy statement, because I I don't think you know what I think. We want something that can be on our website for several years. And is it it isn't reference an event that happened several years ago. So that's that's my suggestion. I love that when we send out what we have as sort of the legacy safe, Say that that's more just vanilla, if you will. Um: Yes, that's I think we could. That's Caroline. Yeah, that works for me. Yeah, okay. And then the for now statement would be more pointed, and we just went on the website for finite amount of time. Well, you know, I I think for me the power that you bring to making a statement is is making a motion, you know. So you're making a value statement through a motion that you all vote on.

[77:04] I'd encourage you to do that tonight, if you feel like you can. Um, at least, you know. Maybe at the December all side meetings have it. Um, if we have fifteen minutes to make a make a motion uh yeah, like vote on a motion that says the the boulder Ours Commission stands with, and then go from there. Um, that's That's one option that you kind of get to have city council with that which I don't love. But what are our options, you know? So, um you know. You may decide that it's wiser to wait and see the City Council motion and react to it. But I can't imagine you all saying anything that would be like different. We're distracting from that. So Um, yeah, I I I like that idea that there's there's a a a a stance that you're taking. That has the power of your vote. That then translates into what we put on the website, and what goes out in the Newsletter, and what we share with the Hrc. And others like that is the the thing that you've decided right like there's something important about that. But um, Maria, do you see ebony's Um. Come in.

[78:16] I do. Yeah, yeah, thank you. Um. Would the motion be to like Is the motion just to make a public statement or to let it be publicly known, or let's I don't know what. Oh, my gosh! So right now I I i'll just marry, and i'm over here trying to expand the bubble, so that we can see the entire statement. Um. So So the most important thing, I think, is that it goes into the minutes that gets um, then copied into the City Council agenda packet. They all see it. Um, I don't think the motion needs to say anything about how it gets distributed. The motion is um we are making. You know the

[79:09] move that um we stand with, or a Boulder Arts Commission deeply believes. I think that's fine, too. You know that you're You're the unlike sort of a policy stance or an action. This is a value statement that you're agreeing on somewhere, so we need to tweak the the end of it, because we don't have that. You'll see that this is a right right right. Thank you. Right Um, Matt, If you just get rid of that top section. I think that will give you the real estate if we're making a motion on it tonight. I do want to bring up a question that is not uh, necessarily something that I think should be changed With more than that, I want to make sure it's out on the table the list that's provided of those targeted and excluded race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender expression, religious beliefs, and or background. It does

[80:09] Hmm. Bring to mind a conversation that was brought up this summer, and the bypock and Black lives matter conversations around some. Occasionally we use the the um acronym by pop, when a reality. Black people are the ones affected. So, for example, with uh targeted police shootings that across the country sometimes the word by the phrase byp is used when reality it's more likely to be a black person. So I want to ensure that we're thinking about. You know, when we list out these I think it's. Six elements are these: The six elements are most in most currently impacting the city of Boulder, or these just really good bubbles to be included like just making sure that we're being thoughtful about exactly what we're in. We're using here. I I think that's a great point. I mean that you know, to make sure that we're not excluding someone by listing things out. And so

[81:03] yeah, yeah, do we make the list longer? Do we make it more general and inclusive. I I have those same questions, too. I think that's a great point. Yeah, for example, I don't see disable, and I think that Bruce and i'm also thinking about the most recent examples. I don't believe the most recent examples were art pieces that were related to folks with disabilities. So I guess that brings up that additional question. Are we proactively saying that we don't want that we don't want to exclude and target people with disabilities as well? Or do. We only want to focus on the folks who have recently been targeted and affected? We try to include the the catch, all of background, to leave some flexibility for that in interpretation. Um! So I wonder if if that also um how i'm reading like, how immigrant folks Um, because this is how it's come up um with the Commission recently.

[82:01] Um, but there were a lot next. Um. You're all artists who work with destroyed. Um! So I wonder whether background is that national background, or is that you know the city, or I just want to make sure that immigrant folks see themselves in the statement, and that maybe it's physical uh abilities as well, you know. Maybe we add that because I certainly think that's important. I would love this to be more. This this is the legacy statement to have it be more universal and more inclusive. So one thing we might be able to do to that end is actually bring it to our race with the team to run it through the Uh Community ambassadors. And that's a group of people who represent their communities across the city, and you know we could say like this is speak to you, and is that do you see yourself in it? So this being the legacy statement, and not having that made a suggestion that we bring a motion today. Um is an expansion of these backgrounds important for you to include an emotion that we make today?

[83:12] Uh, not necessarily. I'm just. I'm: just the future. Yeah, okay, I think as a working um statement, I think it's It's uh well crafted. Thank you. Yeah, I was trying to give a figure out an example of a background, and there's a wonderful photography show in the library right now up by homeless people. They're given cameras background kind of encompasses. That because I was saying, you know, we need to put in the on how to like a category. Or is that just covered under background like, how specific do we want to be your need to be? Well, I So I teach a class and adopt the dance class for people um with special needs, and I know that what I'm hearing from, and so it's children. But what i'm hearing from their parents is that

[84:11] they see these, you know. D I. I would like to see that there. What How would you? What term would you use so? But that's a good conversation because I actually did a training um. And the woman that I trained with said that most of the time they like to this group of people likes to have their disability first language, which means um hearing impaired instead of

[85:00] i'm a person with a hearing disability so. But I think in this case. Uh, I don't know, Could we, uh Georgia, have a suggestion? Could we write physical ability? Yeah. But it's cognitive, cognitive and physical disability? I think that would be, What does the word ability alone suffice? Hmm. I would say, cognitive and physical disabilities, because there are people. Another issue. I have a friend who has a child who is just physically, i'm. Disabled and cognitively. He's completely typical uh, but he always gets put in a room with children who have cognitive and physical disabilities, and he can't relate to them. But he can't relate to children who are cognitive to be at his level, because he doesn't have because

[86:10] so those two differences are pretty big. Um, but we use the word ability some rather than disabilities, so that to me is more positive right? So the race, just saying physical and cognitive abilities. Yes, yeah. Well, where do we want to go from here? Okay. So what I was hearing was some changes to this, which we considered to be what could be our legacy saving. And then there is also an idea from that of having uh the emotion today. It's the kind of immediate statement in support of artists and creatives that are of these

[87:00] categories, and against her, and standing against harassment, and in support of whatever future um motions or or declarations, or being disgusted. City council, cycle, one, c. I think much well with; but as an alternative, I sounds great an alternative that I post was, if if it's a better idea to. For if you think it's better to wait till the City council, that or it happens, have that hand and then react to it. But that's gonna be in January, I guess. Yeah, you know. And should that be a more generalized statement, or should it be specific? How about if it was something like in recognition of the recent events?

[88:04] Oh, cloud queue and localized harassment of artists and creatives? The our commission. What do we say? Moves that? Uh, the our! Our Commission resolves to stand and support a stand in support of artists and communities, and uh sorry artists and creatives who are targeted and excluded because of their sexual orientation. Gender expression, documented status.

[89:07] I think maybe just those three gender expression Do we need um documented integration status, or we just think that most people know what that means. Let me see it, and I I think most people will. But Maybe you're right. Maybe it's too big that we're those issues of integration, really. Or was it just about it? It was targeted at uh next, You know, I think the way that we've heard it from Rita. And the letter was it was about, you know, I think they were. But I think it was about

[90:02] because of yeah big it towards immigration status, regardless of what their status actually was. I could also just be more general in this immediate statement, and just say we stand against violence, bigotry, and harassment. Um, yeah, you know. I mean, I think it could be, you know. And and and we ask that the community of both to to stand with our. You know our artists in the free expression, if we, if we were to make a more general to support. Because I like that. I would like to see that we still all identified that the local harassment of artists and creatives based upon their um membership, or based upon their sexual orientation, general expression and documented status. Uh, we resolved to stand in support of what you said.

[91:03] I think i'm more aligning with Kathleen, and the statement is like, I think, when we start making the list we have the issue of excluding someone, and that's I don't think that's our intent. I just think that those are the specific recent events, and that it's worthy of identifying that this is actually happening here. You know we have a low we have call queue is an actual event, and we have actual local harassment based on those other categories. I would second what Caroline is saying, and also call out the Kathleen. We were on a role. We were agreeing with each other on everything we need to get back on track. But yes, so I would kind of just again. Second what Caroline said. And of course, Kathleen, I appreciate your perspective. Um. This happened to our people right now, and to take away from that and say, all big a tree. It just kind of feels very

[92:04] um saying it's straightforwardly whitewashed, and it's like, Oh, we like everybody, and it's just like putting a flag on your door. But then, uh, you know, not actually doing the work, not actually showing up, not actually putting it out there, and I agree with you, Kathleen. There's going to be some people who say, wow, you didn't, you didn't list out disability. You didn't list out Xy and Z, and then we can confidently say as a commission, You're right. We didn't list it out because your community in this moment is not being attacked, I think that gets to a larger national conversation of Oh, you didn't protect my feelings at this exact moment when I was hurt. Well, no, you weren't hurt at this moment, and I think we have to have the confidence and the courage to say that we are willing to stand with the people who are being hurt right now as a transcript former, I feel very, you know, entrenched and and attached to it. So yeah, I I hear you. Yeah, I didn't mean to just,

[93:00] of course, that right? And okay. I moved to. I motion to approve the second version of the statement with the an edit of the including those three that Caroline called out, that's the ugliest motion that's ever I i'm i'm i'm gonna try and put something in the chat so that we can, so you could say it, and and and and sort of where I'm. Getting stuck is, is, I added, counseling to part on the end about inviting the community to support the victims of violence. Bigotry. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. So it's the middle bit that I I need you guys to to articulate. So you know, in recognition of recent events, a call, queue, and local harassment of artists and creatives. It's part of share based on their sexual orientation, gender expression and immigration status. Okay?

[94:01] Then the yeah, you're switching those two. Yeah, it gets it. This commission results stand in support of all who are. What did you say? I I the victim of a Yeah. Yeah, it's a thing you put it so Well, okay, Kathleen, we're back on a roll. We got the What's that work?

[95:01] Okay. I move that in recognition of recent events, that Club Q. And local harassment of artists and creatives based on their so sexual orientation, gender expression, and immigration status. The Arts Commissioner is all the same with victims of um. Was it hate my or harassment violence in the i'll second, any discussion before we vote. Alright, So anything is it? It is part of the public record. Second thing is uh, and and then goes to council as such. Second thing is that we will share it, you know. With your permission and guidance, we have Caroline. I'll share with the Hrc. Um. See if they want to approve it as well. Um! And then we will put it in the Newsletter, and we'll put it on the website,

[96:01] and then we'll regroup and talk about the long term statement and some of the program. So the actual statement would be, You take out, I move that and and say in recognition it. Yeah, like, Look, we actually put a bunch of. And then just the last findings violence and thanks, Marion. Okay, Any other discussion before we vote? All right. All those in favor. Please raise your hand. Thank you. It passes unanimously. Thank you, everybody. It's very important, all right. Uh i'm in a junk here at Social Club. Yes, I have good news and an intriguing question. So the good news is that the gentle junkyard Social Club is a wonder of our town, and has successfully finished their permitting process. Um, However, the

[97:06] intriguing question is around, How do we enter this issue? Doesn't arise again, because the amount of anxiety felt not only by junkyard social club, but by many venues in our town. Um, for example, and see Caroline nodding our head. We've got fantastic work being done by the burner community, and this arises for them as well. But how can Bac be a force for good and advocating for artists interacting with the Planning and Development Services Department, and specifically a question for kind of Matt and Lauren and Amy to a degree. Um. What actions have been taken in the past, and what proactive processes might be put in place in the future to clarify and ease the permitting process. Because I think this is keeps kind of arising, and you know, junk to our social club was a recent example of this issue, but it's not going to stop, and I think we are in a great position to help. But I don't want to be that commissioner who's like, Okay, Let's, you know, start something brand new, and and I really want to understand what's been done in the past, and what Hasn't worked in the past. And where do we make some progress?

[98:09] So if I have A. I have friends who are trying to build houses, or we do about, or whatever I mean. It's not just It's older. In general it's not easy to work with. Uh, yeah, The The we have some onerous permitting requirements across the board, and they're on purpose Right? Um! They result from the community wanting to have certain things happen in certain way for certain reasons. Right? So, for instance, one of the big things we come across a lot of cycle sign code is very challenging and boulder. Every, you know, planning expert I've talked to that has say, we have one of the most strict side codes ever. The reason we do is because people in Boulder wanted to have a mental environment that Isn't caught up with advertising and lighting and dynamic science, and you know that they want it a different type of environment. And so the sign code is mechanism by which we achieve that all of the parts of

[99:16] uh the land use code zoning Um uh, the comprehensive plan that stand in our way to doing some of these things are there for reason? Okay. So with that context. Since I started we have been encountering problems um in, you know, sort of efficient execution of public art. Um, because of permitting requirements um also with taxation, but that's sort of a slightly separate issue. Um! And we've so far been solving them one by one with um inconsistent success. Um, and that is from the perspective of someone who could walk down the hall to the planning department and ask questions, let alone someone like the Junkard Social Club, or you know people in the community who just want to get something done right? Um.

[100:10] So the story goes that um! We actually um had this discussion in the Arts Commission years ago. Um, at the time Um, our champion on City council was Jan Burton, who's over our Council uh but continues to monitor the issue, and we assign this to Mandy to go and figure out what can be done. Um within the land use code. And so I have rules uh to ease this and make it easier to get public, are done, and quite frankly, less expensive. Um, people more are out of the public are money to expect. Um, We have said this. So this is going to sound a lot like an excuse, but it isn't. Okay. So just be prepared for this. Um, We have in that time gone through four planning directors on this Um and um, we have

[101:04] five different things different things that did work. We finally got together a cohesive effort in two thousand and nineteen to sit down with the then planning to record and say, Okay, let's build a plan. He was on board. We had a strategy we got legal involved. We have three departments, four departments working on it. Um. Covid stopped us. Um, I would stop this dead in a lot of work, including that. But the new plan of Director Um, Brad Mueller, we've met twice about this. He understands the issues, and um has us to to move forward. Excuse number three. The planning department is so severely understaffed. This has been a slower process than it has been in the past to try and ench along and find some solutions. Um, they they do have them funding now in two thousand and twenty-three to do some hiring, and um for the backlog. And so we're hopeful about that. We don't know timelines, but

[102:02] uh, where we sort of are in, You know we we've been in this phase, for I I think, about a year, and now is that we have identified the problems and come up with some solutions within the rules. Um! They are not comprehensive solutions that are going to be a switch that we can throw. That's immediately going to make it easy for public to happen, admitted Um. It's the same rules are going to apply. It's just that we have different ways of uh communicating on them. Getting permits processed different ways of looking at public art uh applications. Right? Um. We decided to pilot project and um to try actually two pi project to try and get some of this accomplished Um! So those are still under way. The other excuse number four out of our role, because public, our projects so much high. A pilot project implies that we're going to be evaluating this years down the road. Right? So what I can say right now is that it? It is on our work plan, and I have a lot of optimism that we're going to find better ways to do it. But it is. It is nothing that is going to help any public art project. That's um visualized today.

[103:17] Yeah, it's something that we are going to be working on for a few years. Um, it is something that may involve code changes. Um! It's something that may involve asking for extra funding, which actually, we did. So you know one of the solutions just to give you an example is, we have proactive funding in order to hire our own general contractor and running away Contractor. Who then, when the project comes to us, and it's too small for that project to hire general contractor in their budget that we have someone on call that we can deploy. So you know there's little problems like that that are really pernicious, but are hidden right? And so we're going to try and attack it in a bunch of different ways. But you know, you know, like what you experience in in talking to junkyard ebony, is it? It doesn't mean that I can tell you that anything that comes to us is gonna be okay right now. It's still gonna be hard.

[104:10] Um, It's It's hard on purpose. So you know, there's there's only so much apology we can make for a community that really wants us to pay attention to this stuff, but it's also been noticed in these meetings. It's been notes by council. It was at one time account the priority, and then it fell off again. Um! That it stops us from having the type of environment for public art that we want have right. So everyone knows that's exist. I don't have a solution for you today. But uh, I I am optimistic or required. So I have a question, Emily, how is that resolved for junkyard? Did they did planning, uh decide that it wasn't an auxiliary um uh welling or auxiliary structure uh that this you know, shipping container actually was an art installation.

[105:01] Kathleen, I love your question, and I can't wait to follow up with you about it. But I do have. I do have another question for Caroline. Uh. Related to what Matt just mentioned. What are Caroline? Your thoughts on this element of kind of keeping a contractor on retainer in this way, instead of kind of solving the root problem, which, as Matt very eloquently listed out, we've got four huge hurdles that we have to overcome. But what are your thoughts, Caroline? From your lawyer? Perspective? Love having a lawyer on the team. Um, what are your thoughts on? How this plays out both fiduciarily and operationally. I mean I I, without knowing all the details of it. I don't see any um barrier to setting it up that way. I um, you know you can, as a fiduciary body, have input, from

[106:00] other sources, you know, which is what I would see the role being um I I do know from personal experience, and working with the Temple of Tranquility, that if there were a Staff general contractor um, you know, we just went through months of trying to find somebody, and at a great expense added to our budget. So, man, that would be an amazing thing, or, you know, trying to bring some mark to the community. So yeah, that answer your question. Yes, and it rings up a slight um. One B question of it sounds like the Temple of Tranquility Didn't know this resource was available, so I guess that kind of directs the question towards Matt, so actually first confirming that from Caroline and then for Matt. Um. How well publicized is this resource? Okay. So the resource doesn't exist Yet You'll You'll be shocked to hear that. That's how we got the idea, and there's been other people as well that we, you know we knew that was coming. But um, we um have the funding to put it in place next year. So it's going to be um for the future. But

[107:09] um! There, there's no real plan to advertise it right now of any Um! What we do, what what our attention is with both of those contractors is when we encounter projects that can use that help. That's when we deploy them, you know. So we get community initiative projects by temporal tranquility, or maybe even like a donation like the sculpture, or of a very small commission of from public our dollars. Then we would say, Okay, we have general contractors. So it just have to slow down and impact your budget, and we'll bring that to a project to help move things along. So I I think it's gonna be a tool in our, you know, toolkit, rather than a community service. Is that a line item that you'll get your year, Or is that just money that you can around to to hire that uh Gc.

[108:02] Uh. I believe we move money around from our maintenance budget to make that happen. So uh you have a maintenance budget right? Because it's it's better. It's this. Well, we got more funding. So yeah, it's better this year. Um, it will continue next year. We have some more funding, but after that that that can I ask a few questions. So so in ebony, too, I think. Um, you know. Are we finding that some of the the public artists Don't really understand the the codes as well, and also the structural requirements. So you know, being someone that's you know, deep in the trenches on this stuff. So there's ada codes or accessibility codes. There's permitting codes, you know, so can can there also be resources and connecting folks with architects and engineers that can help them? And i'm not saying that this city pays for these things, but it's again. It's a you know, people that it can help them get through the process.

[109:13] No one understands all the codes in boulder, including the people who wrote them right. It's like it's complex, and um, and like I said purposefully. And so I I think that's that's one problem to address is the expertise. Um, I think what I'm really excited about is what planning and development services is committed to along those lines is to having an expert embedded in their team. So when they hire up there's going to be someone who's assigned to the arts. Who is someone we can pick up the phone with right away and call in a and talk through questions, or or connect an artist with even before every application process begins to start to talk through issues. So expertise is is one track, but expertise doesn't get around that that a sculpture in Beach Park on University Hill Um has to be uh zoned as it is about

[110:07] right, and and it's, or or else you need to have it, be an a to you, and have a sprinkler system inside of a billion, right? It's like that. That's an a a real example. I have it right. So So so yeah, I think, understanding how many there's, and one thing but um! There, there's there's um, I I think the real tricky part is is that um! We're still going to encounter Some of those land use code definitions, and until City council wants to change the land, use code to free up some of those things. Um, it's just. In fact, we're dealing with it. It's the law right? And so we're going to have to work out like the other example I love is that the melanie, it's pre-standing human scale sculpture. Um was zoned as a multi-use um retail,

[111:02] So you know that that's That's how it works. So Yeah, it's it's So the the unfortunate part about this. And and I think one thing we can do for the community is, we are in our public hard projects, building in extra contingency and extra time. Um, we We add months on to the time scale. We had extra money for an extra tax implications, and we had extra money for the extra cost of the way. Um! It brings down the amount of art we get to buy, but it mitigates some of those issues, and I think one of the things that we can do better is when community projects come to us is to sit down and actually help with scheduling something we didn't do with you. Well, you know It's like Um: Yeah, Okay, I see. I see your timeline. I I would put in three months for the application process on top of what you got, because if there's going to be a back and forth, and there's going to be uh denials and and um responses. So that's how we're dealing with it right now. It's It's not my favorite way to do it. But um! It's one solution to to get around some of those things until we can find something

[112:08] just uh I'll put an asterisk in there just to for future um. It'd be cool if maybe next year when this person does come on board that maybe we could hold the public event or artists that work in the public art space, and, you know, have a panel discussion. Here's, you know, tips and tricks to to watch Dot for when you're putting your proposal together. This is, you know this is how stuff is done in the city. So here's here's some best practices, and I just want to call out that we have a lot of problems. The planning and develop staff. Understand that. And our great partners on. They're working with us. They want to solve these problems, too. So there, there, There's no problem that I see that's personality. Yeah.

[113:02] Oh, can I have a add something, Bruce? Um, I I think just to build upon your your your notion about um having a kind of a public event. When someone comes on board. Um, I feel like a portion of the experiments in public art, or something something of that kind of like more experimental, should be a way to sort of be an introduction to the public process and building in the public realm. You know that there's some real um Life Safety issues with building a large scale object in the public realm, and I feel like, perhaps the experiments in public art can introduce artists into that process. Yeah. Great idea. Yeah, Thank you. Okay. Um. Let's see. Did we need some phone or anything? No? Okay. I'll take out what's happening. You want to motion. Oh, thank you, Matt. No motion for tonight, but I look forward to bringing this up again in March.

[114:06] We are currently recording, so i'd be happy to follow up with you via email All right? Uh, and just time check seven, fifty-six um do We want to keep going, or do we want to table any of these things for? I guess that'd be the January meeting. I'm happy to keep going just in the interest of getting things done. Is everybody Okay, with that? Yeah, you Good. Good. Okay, cool. Thank you for your phone. Thank you. Everybody all right here in video. Sorry, Jen: No. So man. I was supposed to get back to me, I know, but I actually just have the conversation today, so I apologize about that. But, um!

[115:09] So the idea has been discussed about a year and video um the guards can put together to sort of send a message community uh it's book with our communications team. Um. So you know part of it, that what we sort of discussed as part of it we need to understand from you about how you want to use this in the audiences so last about that second. But um! The idea of sort of but celebrating the conference looking forward to the New Year really got them jazz, and so they have a proposal to you which is um! They would love to have this be a segment on the a weekly news program on La that they would do interviews. They would do some b-roll. They would kind of set all that up um work with you on scripts. Give that out on Channel eight use program and then segment that out, so that we can use that video in other places.

[116:00] Um, so um, it it wraps up into a lot of efforts that they're going to be going on from now until the end of january about um confidence in twenty twenty-two, and so uh communication teams excited about that. Now that said Um, you know we we uh, if the audiences and uses are an advocacy tool for you. Then we have to bow out as staff Right Can't spend money, and we can't spend staff time on any message that's like um. City Council should spend more money on the arts, or even, you know the community should go to city council meetings and talk about the arts right, so you can do that, but we wouldn't be able to support it right There's there's lost on that um, if the audience and uses are that are celebratory like, here's the great accomplishments. Here's what we're doing next year. Here's how important the arts are. Um! We have the channel I offer, but we could also, you know,

[117:02] help you um with the the cost of a video. Um! We probably wouldn't want to do it too much staff time in that. Just to be honest, everyone sort of overwhelmed right now. I have a little bit of money set aside that I could spend on production. Uh, I did your hope, I think, to for the for that. But i'm sure you don't want me to help um. But um, if if you want to go into sort of an independent video, stand alone. Um! Then we could. That offered that much help with the production and get that ready to post. And then our Communications Department and Lauren could help with a campaign of sorts to get it out, so that would probably mean something like hosting on the website. Putting in our newsletter social media. Um communications will take a look at it and see if there's other city resources in addition, outside of the arts, that they could post it to the Youtube channel that sort of thing. So we would be happy also to help on the front end of production,

[118:05] happy to fact, check, and script, and then uh help with the campaign to get it out. So that's what I learned. Okay? Well, this all started as just another way to do the the letter. It's a counselor asking for more money. So I thought, instead of just writing dear City council, We need more money in twenty-four point long time. I thought it might be more interesting to do a video that showed them all the hard stuff that's been going on all year, and we need more money to give to help more artists do stuff, so I don't know I was just trying to be creative in our in our letter. Oh, I didn't want to make it more complicated. But um, I don't know. What do you all think? So We just write them better. Or should we make a video? I I like the idea of sharing it to the whole city, letting them know, like there's a lot of art going on here.

[119:04] I like the idea of doing that in a visual medium. Also, I don't want to stress. So how complicated is it? Because i'm just like trying to get my head around it? So the images. How many? Yeah. So so initially. Initially, my my vision was that i'm happy to donate my time and videotape, Whichever of my fellow commission members would like to participate in the video, essentially saying the stuff we put in the letter right. But instead of having it a talking heads video, we would. Then, you know. You see each person for the first five, ten seconds, and then we cover them while we still hear what they're saying with the role, the footage of that we have that is in our archive. That, or it has tons of stuff, whether it's still or video to to visually show what we're talking about?

[120:01] Um, so it would it. It's the there's the letter part of it that we that we do the City Council every year. But then there's also this message to our community, saying, Here's what's going on uh, you know. Come out and enjoy and be part of this, and we didn't have any facts in it like um. Here's how we spent the million dollars you gave us for our grants this year, and then show a whole bunch of different, and even though we were coming out of Covid, you know. Well, here's here's all the good euros in town. Yeah, I mean, I think that's a celebration of. You know the uh resilience. That's a good for the celebrations. Sorry. No, no, really. All the ideas between me and Kathleen are shared tonight. It's all it's all love. Yeah, I love that idea. Actually, I mean, we have said every year we we've gotten up in front of so many different. We need more money, and honestly,

[121:11] and then given us more it to give us. Um. But I love the idea of celebrating our our accomplishments. Our art is published, and I like the fact that Channel Eight is willing to help with the distribution of that message to the city on their their cable channel. Um! I don't want to create more work for staff. I'm happy to do. Volunteer my time if we do. If we are incorporating to ask for more money, Staff can't be involved right? So i'm happy to do this. The the shooting of the individual uh Commission members doing the the the verbage, and if we can get the stills in video access to that archive. Then, if we can use the money to pay for somebody to do the editing that's not in my skill set. My partner and my company does all our editing. I do all the shooting he does all the editing. So.

[122:08] Um! If we have some budget for the editing part that takes it off of staff to have to deal with the editing. Well, we're spending city money uh, so we can't use the the department money. It's just we make a celebratory video. And then in the letter say, here's the link to all of it. Yeah. So yeah, Because the thing about it, and especially in the arts, is, it's a celebratory video with data that shows that the arts are important and we're doing a good job is actually a great, so we can post it all around, and then you can, you know, hop on Instagram posts a video and say, This is the reason why we need more money, right like, so you can use it. I it in a letter asking for money. It's just the the the context of the video itself is want to talk about that.

[123:00] Yeah, Okay, All right. Um. So what's the deal with deadlines and stuff? Okay. So you probably want to do this soon. Um. The The um. Only thing I think that is a slowing factor is um. We actually don't have all of the roles sitting on a drive somewhere. So when we we we to tire someone to do production, we would actually need to sit down and go through a whole process of identifying from um the older showcase videos what the what we want and then reach out to those organizations. Have them send that video into to use it. It would just be a little bit of time like extra time extra steps. Um! But other than that process, I think you know it's just down to the actual like, How quickly we get someone on board and scheduling it to I have a question. Is there a reason we don't have, like a file of all of this material, like photos and videos of events, we we have photos of events

[124:12] uh videos. It's just a matter of it was never part of the work plan until older it showcase, and and so we didn't like. Keep an archive of that piece of it. So you know Laura can speak better to this, who is actually has a comment. But we have limits on our server for the city of how much content we can hold. So we have amazing photos from all of these reports and things, but we don't have video because we can't hold it in the city server like they. I tried to, and they hollered at me. So I was just with with the showcase. We never had enough overall that to say, like, okay, we got to break down and get a bunch of drives and save all this stuff it was, you know it just never materialized. Yeah.

[125:01] Okay. Well, so um. The letters here. Tomorrow we have a letter percent. I mean, do we have any deadlines from? They don't want? I'm saying that i'm saying they did not ask for. So What does that mean is that I I honestly have. What I know is that um, I don't think so. They didn't want a letter, because they already have enough stuff to do, and they don't want to have to read the letters to. Well, I remember someone like actually saying that I don't remember who it was, I mean, because if it if we can take that part out of the equation, that would be the letter that just opens it up for this whole thing with Channel eight, and they can do the editing and blah Blah: Blah: Yeah. Okay. So I just assumed we need a letter. Since every year I've been on the

[126:08] well. What I can say about that then, is, if you, I I think the thing you all need to weigh in on, then would be content. Right? Um, I don't think you need to like. Figure it out, and I pass motion or anything like that is, is we? You know we can, you know. Maybe you can assign somebody to come up with content because we'll fact, Check it with the communications team and and get that back to you, and then we can, You know, sort of work with Channel eight, if that's the direction you want to go, but just empowering somebody to between now and the next time you meet each time that that comes into the video. Yeah, okay, we is. Anybody. Would anybody be interested in that? I'd be happy to to work with whoever um. But that would be kind of cool for somebody to kinda, especially if you always wanted some video experience. I can

[127:01] uh kind of walk you through it and teach you. Stop about producing a video. It's that was that you raising your hand. The chair recognizes Georgia. That's awesome. I just I I feel uncomfortable taking it under my as it's like my project, because i'm a filmmaker, and it just seems a little too close. I'd rather have somebody more objective that I can. I'd rather show you and work with you to do it. That'd be awesome. Yeah, thank you. We were talking about earlier in the meeting. Let's support our artists. In other words, here's That's why like the celebratory words that's like, Yeah, perfect. And it's so. That's why I wanted to separate the letter. I don't need to do that, but that we can focus on celebrating our artists the idea getting out supporting, too, you know. I think it's It's still a tough time for a lot of yeah. Yeah, I'd like to make it. So that arts organizations

[128:18] love it, and they send it out. So they post it on their social circles. Yeah, let everybody see how great the art is, and vulner and get more involved. So yeah, that's awesome. All right. Okay. So generally. Yes, you're in the subcommittee and let's talk uh early next week. I've never been so excited matters from staff. Thank you. I'll make this quick so that Lauren can make it long. Um great Um! I will entertain questions about the management, but you can always email me any if you have. But I think the big thing is that far, and I City Council is going to be discussing um uh the adjustment to the budget. This is something that happens twice a year, but in this one we'll also be discussing uh a last uh round of of funding

[129:11] um and um City Council uh, has. There's nothing there. There was nothing in staff proposals for the arts in this last round until City Council decided to ask staff. Um, If any unspent funds can be used for the arts community and um, there was a lot of testimony from um uh community groups and people affiliated, especially with bullet for harmonic and studios around for our funding right now. Um, so um! They're going to have a discussion tomorrow. Um! I don't off the top of my head. I won't. I'll email you. Um! It's It's gonna be midway through the meeting, so i'm gonna guess about. But um. The staff response proposes a hundred and fifty thousand dollars to be added to the Grants program to target two things that it's Council mentioned. They want it um to address as outcomes,

[130:07] which is the affordability of venues and the trouble that individual artists are still having. Um in God. Recovering is for those rest of the economy. So we have proposed uh that um one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. If Council decides to sign that for us that funds uh we'll bring it back to you, and we're we're suggesting we uh divide it between uh the rental systems, the new uh uh affordability fund uh next year, and another round of the artists hiring it. So, assuming that that's what they agree to. To. Right. Come back to you, January, Talk about how to distribute that. But um! I understand that there's been further discussions about possibly having more to that. Um, don't know how that's going to go. But um! So

[131:01] any questions about that or anything else in the managers. Now, I just said, do you? Where can we wear our commission? Name tags to that? Or is that we should be attending in that role. You there's I mean you forty, and it's not you. I I think the important thing. If you attend the the attending where the impact is fine. If you speak the most important thing, whether wearing an ape or not, it's to get up and say I am a member of the Arts Commission. But i'm speaking right now as an individual, I believe there was deadline to sign up by two. I know I've this this deadline a couple of times. You just show up when you sign up to speak, and we pick names other times. It's like a whole day ahead that you have to sign. Yeah, I I don't know the rules anymore. Okay. So yeah, it must be that

[132:09] I've been the kids today uh by two o'clock, because they were still making changes. The day of they both set out an email encouraging us to ask from New York, and I might. So one question is that it reaches for us to stand up and ask for that. If uh this, what you've heard of the great drive is really all we're gonna get is the one fifty, which is um, it's we're grateful honestly. But, um! Or is it worth a while to um it is it? Would it be a good statement for us to say we'd lost our money to, You know um fulfill more of the the Us funding or yeah uh you with everyone. Okay, And I encourage that. Um, I think you know we we were really thoughtful of stuff, so i'm going to stand behind that, and you know

[133:06] not not just because i'm home. I I actually believe like It's in smart way to go. It's targeted funding specifically to the goals of our uh that. Grant Um! It. It's you know it's a gift to the arts community. Really. It's like they they didn't have to do that. They no one would have the other way, or your second guest that that money should be used for some other purpose. Right? I like that. That. They didn't have to do that, but they saw the need. And so my position, you know. I'm presenting tomorrow. I'm going to tell them about this. Um. My position is that um bottom line? Yes, we can use this money. Well, the Arts Commission has a track record of being successful with their grants program. Um, And these are based on existing programs that are approved. So you know, whatever you say, I think for me the bottom line is um whether you ask for more money, or you just thank them for the money that they are. They're considering giving um. They're doing it because we're effective at what we

[134:15] Yeah, I mean, anytime we can get in front of Council and us to support the arts is, I think, every art organization that sees that it means a lot to them all right. Any other questions from that before we move on to the next thing Alright, great, I'll just be really brief. Um. Just so. We get in the record that we have special meeting on our team. I think it was. Thank you for those who could participate. Uh went very well. We approved the public art project to the finalists, and we're entering into contracting right now.

[135:00] And um, it's gonna be a great project, so we'll give up these two later on. But uh, you know, I just want to express my appreciation. That was um sort of out of blue, and we need to get done quick, and you all responded and helped us out with that so and so as did the Dmc. And so um you know that that was very helpful, and we won't. Do it again. So any questions about how that went, or what's that? Would I point to order um, and not to backtrack us some of the agenda. But did we skip over the questions for applicants that she added to the agenda. Seven. D: correct. Yeah. Yeah. So it's. Uh: are we good with the Dmc meeting? Can we move on from that and move back to seventy. Everybody. Okay, with

[136:01] It's not a It's like a alright. So we're done with the Dmc: Everybody good with that. Okay, So Caffeine. Oh, um. So you want to know? Oh, yes, I'm sorry. So we have this list of questions that we've crafted over the last couple of years. And um! This is for folks who will apply to the Us. Commissioners. And uh, are these the right questions that that we might questions all that other commissioners to these feel like the right questions at this time, and it's right thing that needs to be adjusted. I don't need to words with it right now. But I just wondered, you know, do we have in our heads particular kind of Commissioner? That would be really advantageous to the Commission? That and we're not going to find that person by asking these questions or these really the best questions. And when would we need to have these finalized by?

[137:07] So we have a done line of December fifth to get the Okay. Okay. And this is something. Just Just so, you know, this is something that we've discussed before. But this is really a scap responsibility. We're asking for your advice, and then we'll carry it forward. Those are the first five. I feel like the question about conflict is that really arise with us too much like Maybe it would help light up um eliminate somebody who's not good dealing with their own. I think it's a standard. I believe so. Oh, for every point. Yeah, if they want to know if there's any reason why it would be, I just want to know that I did make a suggested change in the first one. Um!

[138:01] Let's see where the parentheses is in the first line, such as education, training, service or governing decision making boards. Um, I think I had added for experience in the arts culture or involved in in an Arts cultural organization. I really like the I mean. That's kind of what we're about. Sometimes it's good to have someone it's different, like, you know, a lawyer, but you're also in the arts. But I don't know I was on the that board for the art and the garage thing, and there was a guy on there who, just like, knew everything about metal stuff that I would never All the material or metal music. No, no, about metal uses are being outdoors in Colorado. He's like the wind is gonna affect like this when a sudden it's gonna heat it, and this one doesn't get on This one drips like this like I was like, uh,

[139:10] you know. Yeah, it's very helpful. So it's not. Sometimes it's good to have someone that's completely don't take that question, though, even as it's it doesn't. I agree that it's good to have some other skills experience, and also being part of an arts organization here, older or having had, or having to not an arts, for I think it's. See what Um! What are Is there anything in here that talks about the time commitment? Oh, are there more questions. So it we. We provide every applicant with the Faq. That goes into detail about that. And then it's, you know, something that you just added last year is like.

[140:11] Are you gonna be able to do that? How much time they put in there? Just because that's that's like university, You know there are voices that are not being heard because they don't have. They can't take this amount of time to be here for free, and I don't know how I missed it when I applied, and I think I've said this before. This is a much heavier workload than I had Ugly. I'm passionate about the arts. I'm still going to bring it up every time. Has everybody seen the fa cues? That's on the website

[141:08] Question Six. I think we just take out visual. Yeah, Yeah, it is. Yeah. And I can verbalize this. But exactly that, Kathleen, we're back on track. So exactly that with question Six. Just from moving the language around visual and performing artists. It's because I think, um, as mentioned earlier, we just on the Commission, make up a very diverse range of artists that is not encapsulated in those two specific uh sub sectors, so just removing that language. So it's more inclusive, and then on question nine. Um very this. A little touch of words. It does call out a similar impact on two thousand and twenty-one, and we're heading into two thousand and twenty-three. So just making sure we we're using the right year.

[142:00] So if we could lay on that, because for a second, because I was going to applicate for removing that question altogether, you know not that it's still not a consideration. But I think we're moving into unknown territory. That I don't think I can form a question around like, What would you do now, like I don't. I don't know what we're gonna be at, You know That's also a really hard question for so uh, do we need to make a motion map for that, or do we just? We all agree that question. Nine can be kicked out, and we just need your advice. So if if the tone of the room is in agreement, then so what is the goal of asking? Like the specific question, like nine is on now, but eight is very similar, like. How would you stem all the cart money? What is it just to uncover their thought process, or like,

[143:14] I think, that came about during the discussion we were having, maybe three years ago about how to expand public art. So it it was specific, and it's lingered because it still matters. But um yeah, I don't think it's. I I would hope to reward that. Um. I also think that I i'm gonna. But I don't think i'm gonna make it more clear, because without the benefit of being on the Arts Commission a while, you don't know that what we mean by public art that was hard to like. How would they this year, anyway? So yeah, very good point. So what I could do if it's okay, i'm sorry. I don't know. I don't know uh That's the I think you we're going to look at that. Well, what? Uh, Okay, Great? Oh, no, Or maybe just in the in the interest of time. You know the Faq is kind of new.

[144:16] Um. I think we we put it in like a year or two ago, and just because I I think we thought it would be helpful for people that are thinking about applying to know what they're getting into. So we tried to be real specific. I would encourage everybody to look at those F. A. Queue. Look at each one, see what it says, and just let Matt or Laura know flux missing, or it's stuff that maybe needs to be updated, you know. Post Covid. Uh, maybe we look at it differently now through a different filter. So you know. Just see what's missing, and the the fa cues are. They're not set in stone. So there it's a living document, so we can totally add subtract change. I think it should be put in there Number ten. Are you aware that this five year commitment that it takes X amount of hours a week,

[145:07] plus other engagements and projects. That's fair. Do that. It's. Put it in there multiple times. You'd say it another way in more positive way. The commitment, you know. And then in parentheses you know as much as three weeks, or as much as I say three No, Jersey, and we can. We can put that in there in in a nice way we could say like, bring in the significant commitment to that. Um! So what i'm gonna propose is um. I'll send the Faq out to link to that document. Um, that we have a little bit longer the fuse on so as you think of things and review like, Take your time. But the main thing is this: So i'll take the advice that we talked about here Any other you advice you have in the next forty-eight hours like shoot over to Lisa and I

[146:07] um, and then we'll sort of yeah, i'll be out of town. But I don't want your email to get missed. But we'll We'll be uh submitting this on Monday. So anything you know you through the weekend we'll send us some some ideas. We'll talk about what we've talked about, which email to me, and we'll let you know the final result when we send that into the city call. It sounds good everybody on day with that cool alright. Um. So now I think we're up to Lauren. It's me again. I i'm the problem with me. Just kidding. Okay, so um three um

[147:00] last pieces for you. Um. Something that we've been talking about through the year, and we are finally bringing it to in November are the unspent grant funds, and these are unspent from understand. From a number of categories we had the return of a project, Grant and um. So this is our recommendation for what? To the staff recommendation, at least for how to use these funds. You, Don't, have to make a motion on this, because, as you know, the budget is overseen by Chris the Director. So this is really getting your input and your direction to give to Chris um for him to finalize his decision on this. And um i'm happy to go into the the logic behind the recommendation. But if you have any questions, it's really just to get your you like your thoughts and your input kind of nodding approval that this is what we give, Chris. Um. As a recommendation.

[148:05] I like the um. Since I am assuming that thirty thousand dollars is what came from a project. Grant that that go back into that program, and I like that. The venue affordability fund align with what we're hearing is city council priority. Yeah. I'm: I'm: Okay, with the staff recommendation. And can I just ask the community uh Lauren, the community project grants one thousand dollar grants, Or would it be individual as well as organization? We're proposing for the organization grants, And that's specifically because that category, we get the most applicants that we cannot fund. So generally it's between twenty and thirty that we can fund of those applicants, and generally there are a lot of very strong applications. So the logic is to give three grants of ten thousand or less right, two thousand being the max that they can apply for in the Community project grants for Organizations category.

[149:17] I I see it a little differently. Oh, can you guys hear me? Okay, Uh, Bruce is okay. If I chat. Yes, please. Um. I feel like I I continue to feel like to get the money out as quickly as possible should be one of our objectives, and I still feel through the past Grant cycle. Um! I felt like some of the music. Um um music then, not venue sorry music organizations, classical music organizations did not get funded for their um general operating budgets, and so I almost would rather go backwards and pick up, change, stick the line where we cut some folks off and pick up one or two organizations for a Geos grant

[150:05] and and distribute them on money immediately. Mhm Yeah, the only The only thing that comes to mind quickly, Maria, is that the Geos is a multi year thing Mhm. Correct. So the ones that well, that's correct. So I don't know how that would um par parcel out, but I the ones that it will come to my mind. I think there was um two classical musical organizations. Does they want to remember Boulder and the greater roller you orchestra that's next correct that that grants is twenty thousand dollars a year for three years. Well, an older field harmonic, I think, would be fifty thousand a year, so that doesn't what was the smaller? Sorry I just don't remember, because A. And I I don't have it in front of me. I don't know if you could pull it up. But um! There, there! There were grants in each category that were the next highest score hitters right?

[151:07] So I I think you know one challenge is you could only fund Jesus money to fund for one year really. Um! So you wouldn't have a multi your grant out of that. The other is you. You would have to come up with a way to decide who's the winner amongst the you know. Oh, the people on that right that that were just below the the cut off line. Um! So you know we, we would need you to be able to articulate that as well. Also, just in support of the staff recommendation the staff That's time. Um! Thoughtfully allocating percentages of the budget to project grants versus geos grants. And this is reflective of that

[152:08] percentage Basically, you know that that we're still giving money to different types of programming throughout the city. Yeah, I I think if we had more money I would probably be more in alignment with what Maria is trying to do I just don't see the money there to make it not even close to making it happen a multi year that's the whole thing. It's the commitment the multi year commitment, and we're not able to make that. We're just saying, you know he's a little bit, but it's not really. It's kind of a G as, but not really. It just feels awkward. Um, uh! And also it would come up weird like when they apply for the next one, and it when we ask to receive any grants, and then they have to do like Why, I received this

[153:03] partial correct. But I like your idea, Marie, about. Are you getting the money out there now, because there are organizations that need money. Now. Um! So where did this money come from? It's thirty-three. It's just left in the budget, and some of it is money we didn't distribute correct right? So from the Arts education, Grant, but we didn't have enough applicants. Some is from the um the the Equity Fund, which is set aside for the indigenous artist fellowship that wasn't um hadn't been allocated yet. Um! And then we have the return of some community project grant funds. It's really like, Yeah, it's in pieces. Okay?

[154:03] Well, I like Maria's idea of getting up now. I wouldn't know where to put it. I also want to respect like um. Charlotte was saying, that staff did, which you know our numbers and things i'm not don't have in front of my face right now. So well, I think you know for some context on that. And Lauren correct me if i'm wrong about this one of the reasons that we're targeting the project grants for next year is because this year we gave out six projects for for for organizations. And we had twenty-two applications. This year we had only actually I just looked at this. We gave up thirty of to like grants to thirty percent of the applicants, and previous years. It was twenty and twenty, eight percent like It's a very small group that we can actually fund, because we get so many applications there. We got more applications, Pre. Covid, and this year i'm expecting a lot to,

[155:10] but sorry about that. And how much are those grants? The project grants individually, So I I hear what you're saying, Maria, and I agree with you. Um, that I would love to see the Geos organizations that did not get funded, but we're above the threshold a lot to see them get funded. But we don't. I just don't we don't even have enough money for one year, much less to. So even I can't remember the the amount even for a small Geos. I just can't remember Lauren, so I just had to run this. There There are five organizations that meet the criteria that are sort of well, but they get funded. We would need one hundred and ninety-two thousand dollars to fund them for the last few years.

[156:02] Um, Mhm So we, if we give you out of money when you just use so in the interest of time, do we want to proceed with the staff recommendation, or come up with something new. Or how about this? Uh, just? We don't have to vote, but we want to do like a show of hands if we're in support of the staff recommendation. So if you're if you're, if you're feeling, that's if we want to take up Staff's recommendation. Let's raise our hands. Not a vote, but just kind of a straw hole. Okay, so is that. Tell you what? Yeah, that's great, and we'll, we'll bring that back to Chris Marie. I'll also articulate your position on this with Chris. Let's know what you decide. Yeah, I think I think if I could take one less pitch to get the money out as quickly as possible. I think the groups are in need of funding.

[157:09] Agree? Thank you. Right. Next. Next we have the threshold score. So this is something that we had discussed, and we said we would bring back to you again. We don't have to vote on this and um Frankly, you don't even have to have a threshold score, but it's something that we talked about a lot, and then we said that we would talk about later in the year. So um the threshold score for twenty twenty-two for this year was seventy-five. However, you know that one of our grantees wasn't above that which is where we ran into this question. Right? So really we're we want to seek advice. We don't need to vote on this. Um, if we're interested in keeping a threshold score at all. So really the usefulness of a threshold score is to give you some sort of

[158:00] baseline for discussion rate. If you have a lot of applicants that are not reaching high scores, if that's um, you know, if you're finding that you're having a lot of um applicants that are having challenges in your program. That's really useful to say. You know we don't have a lot of applicants that are um faring. Well, that's not the case for us. We have a lot of very, very strong applications, As you all know, the other piece is for advocacy, so we can say there's a gap in funding from the Grants that we have to um this threshold score, which was very useful. But um! That's that's like we say it's up to you guys, if you're interested in keeping a threshold score for advocacy because we are not able to advocate right. Um. We had it this year at seventy five, and then um voted essentially against it for one case. But it's really if the score, if this is useful for you if we go without it for next year. And again we're just trying to get feedback. We don't need a motion this evening. Um, Matt, Did I miss anything.

[159:15] Um without really knowing how the new branch program is going to operate. But it's basically a practice that grants use when you have um a lot of uh a lot of money and not a lot of applicants, right? And so you have to. You know you have to make some decisions on what qualifies. I think we have the reverse problem. Um, but um! There's some indicators to us that maybe you don't need this anymore, right? The The fact that, you know there was one score that was lower. And you talk about still getting it in there. I mean, that's actually a really great thing, because you're actually talking about the quality of the application, not just the number. Um. So I think that tells us that you, as a panel, are thinking about this the right direction, you know. I I also think that it creates extra winners and losers. I mean, there's always going to be one that you decide to apply it, Don't. But then there's this other line of that you're You're an an additional Luther in your below this line. In in addition to not getting funding

[160:14] um, which is the right um, And then the that there doesn't seem to be um individually. A utility right is that we have the one through eight scoring system from the Naa. We have the rubric. Um. There are ways for you to get at like. Is this valuable or not? In the context of the application without this, maybe being an arbitrary addition to that. So that that's what's leading us to to suspect that maybe a virtual score is useful anymore, but you ultimately have to make the decision. So you know, if you think it's a helpful tool, let's do it at C. That Um. And then the secondary question to that is, what should it be said? It should be at seventy-five percent again. Or is there something there?

[161:05] I I've been on the Arts Commission for three years now, and I I've never felt it was helpful having a threshold store. That's just me, Kathleen, you've been on longer than me. What's your opinion? Um! That was helpful when it came down, and when you have all the scores, and you see the difference in color, you are the ones that seventy, five percent above and your on that, and it just makes it very uh graphic for you. Um! And then it What goes through my head is Are these really the best twenty-five percent Um, the best, the the top twenty-five percent applicants in that in that category, and I usually I mean. But uh, but yeah, but generally I feel like the I. I think it's been useful to be able to say to Council that we have folks who have scored high enough to get a grant that we but they we haven't had that money with you.

[162:08] So I I would advocate for keeping a threshold just for that purpose, for that advocacy person purpose, because it, she said, you can't. So um I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. Maybe it's not useful, and that you Maybe you never alright, did anything for you, Bruce. I mean it's either here or there, right, or maybe you actively disliked it. I don't know. No, I just never found it useful. I mean we all voted individually. Our folks are aggregated. The the numbers of the numbers speak for themselves, and it's dictated by how much money we have to give out, and whoever the top number of people are that get that fit in with that some that we have, that so many get the grant.

[163:02] I I really apologize to it in the final scoring. When we begin to look at the list of all the scores. Um, there's a line that says we can fund this many applications, he added another line saying, This minimum score means you're worthy of funding in the opinion of the so it you know, if if you know seventy-five percent of the total is that line, so if it was one hundred. Then, you know, you would score at a A seventy-six would be a good score and a seventy-four. Would be. Oh, thank you. Yeah. So the threshold. Scores are the ones in the purple. So what is this? What do we look at? That community projects? So the threshold is one hundred and thirty. Right. Yeah, the threshold is thirty, so you'll see the top six were awarded grants. That's what we had funding for right six uh sixty thousand. All of these grants merited funding according to your threshold score. But we didn't have enough funding for them,

[164:05] and how many are below my emotion? Just two. So there's just two more. This is last year, so it's quite right, so I you know. I guess the way I look at it is that all these other places didn't get a granted. I don't care about the threshold. It's like Here's all these organizations that didn't get many money, and they've never felt good about like the humiliation. I I have not personally found it useful. I I have the same um thought is, you know it all goes into a system, and it never gets spit out, and and we never get down to the to the the line anyway, on most of the Grant decisions. But I do agree with your point that if it can be uh useful to to make an argument to whoever funds us

[165:03] got to earlier locally, that we have a lot of very worthy projects that don't get funded, and we can point to that as a mechanism for it. Then is that a thing, I think, when people say, Well, what's your threshold in in in the philanthropic community? I mean, Yeah, yeah. So the the way it has been useful in advocacy in the past is, is mainly around. That is that it's easy to say Um! The Arts Commission decided that twenty organizations worthy of funding, and we only have money for ten, so you should give us money for the other time like that. That was the utility and advocacy. Now I I will say council gets it like they pur. They've been giving more money consistently over the years, and we're now over the call to find recommendations for funding. So staff. This is going to be like we. We don't think we need to

[166:02] that. That is not shared widely. But um, you know I I I think our main concern would be. How useful is it in the in the decision making on grants? Yeah, like that? That would be my main thing, Because I also don't want to be disingenuous about it. Right? It's like if if if it's no longer serving you a purpose as a as a tool, as a panel, then going to council, it's saying it's a you know this is an important data when it's sort of all right. It's like, I really want this to, and I I think you still can say, even if there's not a threshold score. It's like you say. Look at it, scores, and and you could still say like, Look at these, these next five that were within tenth of a point of each other. You know there's still ways to to message that without having, you know thresholds. I don't think you lose that entirely.

[167:00] But um. But yeah, my main concern is just like it Doesn't help you make a decision right? And you know, ebony. No, it is that the she finds the color queue as well. Georgia, What are we gonna say? And I think it would be helpful like I know um the as a liaison. When I go and visit with these people it helps them know where they're at in comparison there like how many, how much work they have to do in their there. It's fair. Is there much staff time involved in dealing with the threshold? Or is it just another number on the computer for it. Nope, It's just adding a little bit of language to the Grant documents which at this point it says we have a threshold, but it doesn't give a percentage just to have it vague enough, and then um! But it can be added very quickly, and then adding the threshold to each of the

[168:09] it's, it's, it's it's it's it's, it's it's an issue um it's just as easy to keep it in. Then as it is to take it out. Um! If some of you want it, then why don't we just go ahead and keep it it? It doesn't bother me that it's there. So some of you find it helpful, then we should probably just keep it. Anybody opposed to that. Anybody hate it, And doesn't ever want to see it again. Okay, I just I I mean it. It does it? It's okay. It's fine. I was being a little bit fluent. But yeah, it's again. It. How useful is it when you are sitting down and putting together a score, and you come up with a final score, and you, you're about to hits. Do you really think is this above the threshold or not,

[169:10] That's that's a I do. Yeah, okay, Then it's Excuse me. Yeah. And if that would be saying, she finds it helpful. But how they're cute then. Yeah, It's even one person here wants it, and it's not creating extra staff work. And why don't, we just keep it. Everybody. Okay, With that, should it be seventy-five percent. Uh, that's right. It's okay, and not just and you know this is back to the Richard Kirby I will quote him because he's the one. But you know seventy-five is good. It means that it's overwhelmingly a positive score. Is it more of a suggestion that, like a a hard and fast line because we did. Yeah, we did it for one that was below it, anyways. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So you you. You have some flexibility with it, but it You are sending a message

[170:01] two. So, as it worked, they keep it at seventy-five it's apples to apples. I like that idea while we're still advocating right? Seventy-five. It is all right, Lauren number three earlier uh like earlier this month. Wow! Where are we? Um. So i'm just gonna just to give you a refresher. I've got two slides, and that's it. One is just an overview of this sponsorship, since you know, there's been a lot of change. And um! This was quite a while ago, so these were funded through Arpa, and they were funded to our office sponsorship program, which is why you're not reviewing the reports, and why you didn't see an application. Um! These were to help defray the cost of Covid testing and cleaning and protection and vaccines, vaccines

[171:04] Um! The funds were distributed equally to eligible applicants. So we ended, up giving out three thousand five hundred and seventy-two dollars to each grantee, or just each awardy, because they it like. If you were eligible, and you applied in the time period, then you received funding right? I'm not going to read the list of awardees, but they were some of our like outstanding wonderful organizations Here it was all for organizations, so I reviewed the reports, and I made a very, very small summary here. These are not grants, so you will be approving them. But you're more than welcome to review their reports. If you would like to the very inspiring um. They use the funds for what they applied for testing materials, staff to check records, masks, um sanitation projects, filtration systems. One of the things that came up in some of the theater Um,

[172:03] like the Theater Guild requirements, was to have filtration systems like some of the organizations really needed these funds to cover things that they absolutely needed by the unions of music and theatre organizations for their for their performances. So it was really really um important to a lot of the organizations that received funding. And just a couple of quotes. I thought we're very inspiring. Um, they wouldn't have survived Covid and Um. The last is from the Museum of Boulder. They are one of the first five organizations in the boulder area to gain five star certification, thanks to our funding. So if any of you have um questions about those reports, if you want to read the reports, i'm more than happy to send them to you, but it's just a little background. Update on one of our sponsorships That um was fairly large, so we wanted to let you know how it went. That's it. Yeah, thank you, Lauren. It was. It was a very timely kind of an event. Obvious uh Grant. Um, obviously. But What I thought was cool was that it wasn't just her gloves and stuff. It was also for live streaming, which was, I think, held out a lot of people. It's just a very cool thing that we were able to offer.

[173:16] Yup, Thank you, Lauren. Um any comments before we close out the meeting. All right. Um. Not seeing anybody. I think we'll adjourn with the official Gavel Bank, and for everybody uh, no matter what your faith. A great holiday season. Thanks. Everyone. Happy Holiday. Yeah.