December 17, 2025 — Beverage Licensing Authority Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:02] Okay Chair, you can now go ahead and call this meeting to order. Great, thank you so much, Sarah. This is a public notice for the City of Boulder Beverage Licensing Authority hearing for Wednesday, December 17th at 3 p.m. This will be a virtual, maybe hybrid, hearing. Back to you, Sarah. Thank you. So I'm now going to go ahead and, share my screen and read the rules, so give me one moment, please. Okay. All right. The City has engaged with community members to co-create a vision for productive, meaningful, and inclusive civic conversation. This vision supports physical and emotional safety for community members, staff.

[1:02] And board members, as well as democracy for people of all ages, identities, lived experiences, and political perspectives. For more information about this vision and the community engagement processes, please visit boulderColorado.gov services. The City will enforce the rules of decorum found in the Boulder Revised Code. Participants are required to sign up to speak using the name they are commonly known by, and individuals must display their whole name before being allowed to speak online. Currently, only audio testimony is provided online. Permitted online, excuse me. No attendee shall disrupt, disturb, or otherwise impede the orderly conduct of any meeting in a manner that obstructs the business of the meeting. This also includes failing to obey any lawful order of the presiding officer to leave the meeting or refrain from addressing the board. Only 1% at a time is allowed to speak unless an accommodation like an interpreter is required. All remarks and testimony shall be limited to matters related to city businesses. No participant shall make threats or use other form of intimidation against any person.

[2:15] Obscenity or other epitaphs based on race, gender, or religion, or other speech and behavior that disrupts or otherwise impedes the meeting will not be tolerated. All right, and now if we can please go on to Member Roll Call. Member Ginger Barnes. You are muted. Ginger… Ginger Barnes here. Member Michael Carr. Member Carpresent. Member Lance and Crane? pray at present. Member Brendan Hagerty. Member Hagerty present. And Chair Leah Roberts. Chair Roberts present. Okay, fantastic. Give me one moment here.

[3:13] I believe… give me one moment… Excuse me. My apologies for that. So we need to go ahead and approve the meeting, or the minutes from the last meeting. Everyone's had time to review those. Has everyone had a chance to review the meeting minutes, and does anyone have any changes? Or comments? Great, then I would make a motion to approve December…

[4:03] Thirds meeting minutes. Oh, and November's meeting. Oh, do we do them separate? Actually, the special… the special hearing meeting minutes are not included in the packet. They will be in the… in the next, so it's just November 19th. Got it. I said the wrong date. Okay. That's November 9th. Thank you. Yep, you got it. Meeting minutes. Remember how many seconds? All those in favor say aye. Member Roberts, aye. Member Byrne's aye. Remember car I. for Crane I. Member Hagerty, aye. Okay. Meeting minutes from November accepted. Great. Thank you. We have two hearing agenda items, from us, the licensing clerk. We would like… I would like to ask the BLA if you would like to consider moving agenda item number 6 to agenda item number 10.

[5:11] Do want to let you all know that is your choice. I do think we should consider it. It's going to be probably a pretty extensive Consideration, and the other four are, kind of. Protocol as usual, just new requests. Any reason why we shouldn't? For people's… Time? Then I would make a motion to move Agenda Item 6 to number 10. Do you remember, Carl will second that. All those in favor say aye. Member Roberts, aye. Amber Barnes, aye. Remember, Kara, Have a great eye. Member Haggerty, aye. Great. Then, we'll see Agenda 6, at the end. Thank you.

[6:06] Great. Thank you. Fern, I do see your hand raised. It will just be a moment. There's one more item from the licensing clerk. It was the training, the BLA training that we had discussed doing in January. The general consensus was Tuesday the 13th of January. It will be a Zoom meeting, so it would not need to be in office. It is not like the retreat. It would be an hour to an hour and a half, so we did need you all Roberto can weigh in on this if you all need to make a motion for that to be approved, or if it's simply just a general consensus. I must have missed the. works. I must have missed this communication, because I can never meet on a Tuesday. Yep, that was an email that Caitlin sent out last month, so I apologize if… Oh, shoot. Go through. I apologize. That's okay. Totally did not… yeah.

[7:03] That's okay. Give me one moment. I'm gonna look at the other dates. I'll try and make this as quick as possible. Give me one moment. And Tuesdays do not work. Yeah, I can't. We could certainly look at the following day, the 14th, which is a Wednesday. Wednesdays, I'm… Again, it's a Zoom, so no one needs to be in office, and we could schedule it. Anywhere in the afternoon, 2, 3, 4, 5 o'clock? Does that Wednesday work for you guys? For everybody else? to me. That's for me. Yep, the Shmoo phone. Is there a consensus on time? 3? 5… or… 4 or 5 would be great. Yeah. Somewhere later in the day. About 4, then. We do 5. Let's do 5, then. It's already hard to leave work once a month, leave early once a month. Very gracious.

[8:05] To let me do my community service. Alright, so let me just double check. So we are confirming for the 14th, January the 14th, at 5pm for the BLA training. Which is not open to public or anything like that, it's simply a Zoom meeting for the BLA. Is that okay? Well, actually… Got a problem later. Ugh, I do. Okay, well… Shoot. There's about a ton of people. Nice. Actually, as I'm looking at my calendar also, like, I could probably do that, but it would be better if we could do it later in the month. I don't know if that would work for everyone else, if we did it, like, the week of… The 26th.

[9:00] And folks, this is, this is just a training. There is no rush. You don't have to do it the first month of the year. Conservative. push this into February, we can send out another email so that you guys don't feel pressured. That is not a problem. We will work on it on our end. Nobody's license is at issue, so we can certainly just send you some dates throughout February. Yeah. Perfect. Okay, yeah. It's gonna be tough for me. I'm not gonna be able to make. That's wild. We'll hash it out. Email, via email. Okay. Oh, shh, go shoot, sorry. That is not a problem, we will address it, we're good. Okay, thank you. Okay. Fantastic. Thank you, Roberto, I appreciate that. So there are no more hearing, issues, so now we will have Agenda Item 2, which is matters from the Boulder Police Department. I do believe Officer Reck is here. I'm not sure about her connectivity, though. So, Officer Reck, if you are able, I do see you here, but if you can turn off, or turn on, excuse me, your camera and your audio. Let's see if I can help.

[10:13] She might not be able to. I believe she is in Brenton with Kristen. Can you hear me? Yes! Fantastic. Sorry, this is… this is a new thing for me. I have nothing this month. I will hold it till next month, unless anybody has anything for me. Not seeing anything. Thank you so much. We'll wait till next month. Thank you, Officer Rack. Now we'll move on to Agenda Item 3, which is general public comments for future beverage licensing Authority hearings. If you are here to give public comment on something that is not part of this agenda, please use the raise hand function, and I will allow you to unmute in order of raised hands.

[11:00] And we'll give everybody some extra time, but I'm not seeing any hands currently, so we'll give it a few more minutes. Again, if you're here to comment on anything in the future BLA meetings, please go ahead and use the raise hand function. I am not seeing any hands, so we will go ahead and move forward. So that is going to be Agenda Item 4. And that is going to be, the monthly status report for Ado's LLC doing business as Ado's at 1143 13th Street, Unit 101, Boulder, Colorado, 80302. If you are here to speak on this matter, please go ahead and raise your hand. I do know,

[12:07] there is some information… oh, Mr… Ado, I juice… there we go. Okay, give me one moment, everyone. I do see Mr. Salguero, I'm going to go ahead and promote him. And we do have our… We do have Penelope Rhodes from our tax team here to speak. Penelope, if you are able to, please turn on your video and unmute yourself. Oh, and there is Edo. Can you guys hear me? We can hear you. Yes, sir. Penelope, if you can unmute.

[13:00] And then also, I believe Elisa, our supervisor, Elisa Darrow, had information regarding this check-in as well, so I'm not sure, Mr. Solgerra, if you would like to go ahead and go first and present your monthly status to the board? Still open. I don't know what else I can say. We… I did catch up with, The taxes I was behind with the city. And I should be all cut up. Excellent. If you don't mind, let's hear the status from Elisa and Penelope. Thanks, Chair Roberts. If it's okay, I'll go next. Licensing staff had a phone call with the Colorado Department of Revenue Liquor Enforcement Division earlier today and learned that ADOS has not paid state taxes for more than a year.

[14:00] has made no payment arrangements, and did not pay the required state fees for its liquor license renewal. As a result, the state has elected to close the licensee's account and liquor license, which would require ADOs to apply for a new liquor license. Liquor licensing in Colorado is a dual licensing system that requires approval from both the local licensing authority and the state of Colorado. Based on the information provided by the state, and given that the liquor license is expired, it is staff's understanding that ADOS is not authorized to sell or serve alcohol at this time. Roberto can correct me if this understanding is inaccurate, but given this new information, staff believes the authority should consider taking action regarding the local approval that was granted at the October BLA meeting. Great, thank you so much. Any questions? Did you say that I did not pay the fee? I'm pretty sure I gave, like, an actual cashier's check.

[15:02] I know I have fallen behind, it's been a rough year. I was, you know, left for dead. I mean, I did have, our agreement… To make monthly payments with them. And I was hoping that, you know, I have to admit that I have prioritized catching up with the city, catching up with my landlord a little bit more than I should have, but, you know, it just… it's been a really, really bad year, so… But the fee, I'm pretty sure I gave a cashier's check. To get that taken care of. I think. Yeah. Specifically talking about the state. Well, I think they had a call this morning. Let's hear from Penelope. What cashier's check when… Before that, October… meeting, that it was required by Kristen, I believe, and it was for $750, and it was a natural cashier check. They said that it couldn't be a business check anymore, so…

[16:07] That I am 100% sure. There is also the issue of the sales tax, and the state has closed out the sales tax license, as well as the liquor license at this time. So… My understanding also, I'm sorry, Chair Roberts, is that, the cashier's check was for a different fee. I think that was for the, liquor occupation tax. No, they were for both. I gave one for $1,200, or for… $16.50, and I gave one for $7. Kristen Teague was the licensing specialist handling this application, and she is available to speak if you would like to hear from her. Of course, yeah, cause I, I mean, I know I pay that fee. Let's hear from Penelope, and then from Kristen, and we'll sort it out.

[17:05] Sure. So yeah, we did get a cashier's payment, November 28th for the City of Boulder Outstanding amounts, and then we relayed that the missing, returns would need to be filed before, we could say, in good standing. When… when we were originally asked, we did say not in good standing. The October return was filed, last night. So, now we can say that they are in good standing, but part of that, I have a question for going forward. When you guys are looking for good standing, are we also including whether or not they're continually late, or just that they're in good standing by the hearing? Like, they've paid late fees and filed? Yeah, I think, that's something that we will continuously deliberate on.

[18:04] Okay. And, that's why we have these monthly check-ins. It's exactly for that reason. Okay. So, as of right now. ADOS would be considered in good standing because all of their outstanding items have been cleared through the October reporting period. good with the City of Boulder. good with the City of Boulder on the tax and business license side. Got it. Looks like maybe Kristen… Is no longer with us? Is she still there? I was gonna say, we may have lost Kristen Teague, so let's give it just a minute, if you all don't mind, to see if she can pop back on. Okay. The Britain Building is without internet at the moment, and power is questionable. Oh my gosh. So, for… Just a quick clarification, maybe, here, for some of the confusion. I do know that, there was a certified funds dropped off for the City of Boulder taxes, and then it sounds like for the licensing. Do you remember if maybe you had more than

[19:19] the two, or if it was just the two, that was most likely what they were paying, were the occupation tax and then the City of Boulder sales and… sales tax and licensing. I'm sorry, is that a question for me? Yeah. So the two certified checks that I did back then was one for the… occupation tax, and the other one was for, the state of Colorado fee. license fee. The, apparently got lost with it. 1719750: handled it. pay for it. 1719750: Thank you. And it had been a long time, so I was required to make,

[20:05] A certified check to the… to the Department of, you know, Colorado Revenue. Okay. Kristen has joined by phone at this time. Great. The floor is yours, Kristen. 1719750: Thank you, yes, so much. So, the check that ADOS provided when he first submitted his renewal in March was rejected by the state because it was stale-dated by the time we received local approval. The state had sent him multiple notices, about the sales tax, as well as the 1719750: need for the state fee payment, which, as of this morning, at about 9.45, they had not received, and of course, there are the, 1719****750: Sales tax amounts owed, and the language that was provided to me is due to the size of the amounts owed.

[21:10] 1719750: They can be on their threshold to renew the license, and he will have to apply for a new license. So… The state took away the, the license, and the city Does that just automatically make the city license go away? How does that… 1719750: Well, per state liquor code, it's a dual license. You can't have one without the other. Right? Okay. 1719750: We got the approval, from the BLA to renew the license with the conditions at the hearing. And then, of course, we signed off the local approval to them, but then we don't hear back. 1719750: And we don't hear, and we haven't heard back for a while, so we reached out to the state. They said they were sending notice to him.

[22:09] 1719750: in the situation hearing today, and that is when I received the information from the state letter. Okay. And I don't mean to interrupt Kristen or the board, I do believe we may have lost Mr. Salgara, so… No, he's right there. 1719750: Okay. I'm here, I'm here. Oh, perfect, I don't see… okay, sorry about that. I do have a question. Is there an appeal process for Mr. Salguero? Like, is it… once it's closed, like, can he… is he able to go back to the state and say, hey, here's the certified check, or, get that reopened without having to reapply for elections? 1719750: Nope. 1719750: If it were only the check piece. 1719750: That would be a potential, yes. 1719750: But then we have… and this is state sales tax, talking about, not city of sales tax.

[23:08] 1719750: is… 1719750: And I'm trying to end because I had to join by phone, because we lost completely everything at Branson. 1719750: building. I can't see, you know, any kind of guidance from anyone, 1719750: But the language that was provided to me is they are beyond the threshold for renewing. 1719****750: He advanced virtual for the state to renew. I can go ahead and speak, since, Kristen, you're breaking up really bad, and we're having a hard time understanding. What Kristen is trying to get across is that, Mr. Salgaro is so far behind with his state sales tax. That if the check had been the only issue, the state might consider reopening his license, but because he has not filed with the state in a year.

[24:01] There have… they said there have been a couple. I mean. in our opinion? I'm sorry, but that's… He never entered into any… he did not… as far as we know from our phone call, no payment agreement was entered into, no returns have been filed. And only a couple of small payments have been made, and usually in those cases, they do not reopen licenses. I mean, that's… that's… that's really not true, though. I… I have… Mr. So, Guerrero, we have… in order here. Yes, Roberto, you have your hand raised? Hi, thank you, everyone. So, the purpose of this check-in is to let the BLE know how he's doing, if the city believes that he is in good standing or not, and it sounds like the city believes that because, because of some state issues, he may not be in good standing. Now. That's only for purposes of notice. So, on an abundance of caution, I would suggest that you not take any action. If you do want to dig into this, then you provide administrative due hearing notice and an opportunity to be heard, and so at the next hearing.

[25:19] Mr. Salguero, you can, you can present what you believe that you have provided to the state to keep you in good standing. I would anticipate that we would be able to get something from the state, either in writing or as a witness, so that they can provide any clarifying information, And so that you don't have to rely on secondhand information, but I do suggest that you don't take any action tonight. He hasn't had an opportunity… the notice and an opportunity to be heard. Great, thank you so much, that really helps a lot. And I didn't mean to cut you off, Mr. Seguero, did you want to…

[26:01] finish, or let us know anything else. Sounds like maybe we'll take this up at the next hearing. Yeah, well, like I was saying, it's not true that I have not billed or made a payment in a year. I had an agreement, that I was giving them about $1,800 every… Every month of the last one. that I gave them was, back in… the very… the day before I got suspended with you guys back in September, I gave him a check, and I have to admit, I haven't done the last two returns, which, again, is just sheer because I did lose one of the biggest monthly sales of the month, of the year, and, you know, I believe that last time I talked to you guys, I was about to get evicted.

[27:01] Somehow managed to pull through, somehow managed to, Catch up with you guys as well. And, you know, my plan moving forward is obviously to catch back up with, With the, with the state. So then, what I might suggest is for next month's check-in or hearing, you have your documentation ready, and reach out to the state and see, if you can get all of that in order, and nothing's going to change for today. This is just a check-in. Okay. Were there any. I will just try to do my very best, yeah. Were there any questions from the board? Or… Comments? No questions, but perhaps we add this as an agenda item versus just a check-in. We have Mr. Salguerro come with his evidence, and we, if the state has anything, they can present that as well. I just want to make sure that we're

[28:06] Yeah. licensing staff will send him a document in writing, just letting him know what the issues are so that he can have proper notice of what the BLA expects from, from him. Thank you so much. Thank you. Okay, then we can go ahead and move on to Agenda Item 5. Thank you, Mr. Swaggero, for attending. Thank you. Have a good day, sir. Hold on. And thank you, Penelope, and Kristen as well. So the next agenda item is Agenda Item 5, which is another status report for the Riverside Group LTD doing business as Riverside at 1724 Broadway Street, Boulder, Colorado, 80302. Richard Moser, member with 62% ownership, and registered manager, Andres Lubiere, member with 22% membership. If you are here,

[29:02] to speak on this matter, please raise your hand. I'm not seeing… anyone… oh, I have Miranda. Give me one moment. 1719750: muted currently. 1719750: I have been informed by our building. Kristen, we can hear you. Kristen, T, hi, we can hear you. 1719750: can. Yep, winter camp. 1719750: I apologize, I have to import this. 1719750: We have been informed by the building department that we must vacate the building. Okay, thank you, Kristen. 1719750: at the Brenton. I have Leah with Logan's… I cannot hear her anymore, unfortunately. She, she has, someone from Logan's at the Armory there, and Two Stepin Brewery. It's also… there.

[30:01] And they are being informed that they need to vacate by facilities. That is correct. And Member Crane has also lost power. I… Correct. I don't know, Roberto, if we need to consider… procedures for if, when. Yeah. forward. as… so, two things. Number one, If we lose, a quorum? We cannot make any decisions that require the voting members going forward. If there are individuals that are needed for one of our hearings that cannot appear, we will simply have to reschedule them. So we will just take it one at a time. If the next one on our, if the next one on our agenda is not available, we'll move them down, and we'll just keep doing that until we run out of individuals that do have access to the internet. Sorry, folks.

[31:10] Did we lose member Barnes as well? Oh. 1, 2, 3… Oh, she's here. She must have… give us a moment. Look, she… okay, we're getting her back. I lost… I lost my power. No worries. Thanks for joining again. Yeah, I'm… I'm on my cell phone. No hurry. Okay. Okay, so… with that, I do have, it looks like, Richard and possibly Miranda from Riverside. I don't know if you all are able to turn on your cameras. If you can, please do, but otherwise, go ahead and proceed with any information you would like to provide the board for your status report.

[32:03] Yeah, first of all, status. We also have no power, no internet, and barely enough reception, so if we cut out, sorry. Yeah, on the riverside itself, we… we are current with taxes, and… We filed the application, I think this morning, for the… adding a manager, and I think Sarah let us know that we need to change the… the form, so we'll do that. I think it was Sarah, right? Yeah. And, yeah. Just submit it a different way. Submit it a different way, okay. Great. Penelope. covered. You're still here, did you have anything for this check-in? Yeah, sorry. It would be… Riverside is in good standing, Farm Stand is not at the moment. We have to wait 5 days because the first payment was not honored, so we have to wait 5 days to be able to say it's in good standing. That replacement payment was made on the 15th.

[33:09] So, it's possible by Friday they would be considered in good standing, but there's just that little bit of a window that we have to give when a payment does come back as not honored. Mr. Moser, any comment on that? On my side, it shows it's paid, and I double-checked, you know, the… The county, website that showed all grain current. And, yeah, certainly the payment has gone through my account, so I think it's just a matter of… Catching up on… in terms of the… the system. Okay, and have you been checking your emails? Make sure you didn't miss any emails from the city? Yeah. Okay. Okay, well, hopefully this will all be taken care of by next month. Any questions or comments from the board?

[34:05] Anything else, Penelope, that we should know? That's it. Great. Thank you, Mr. Miller. Maybe we'll see you in camera next time. Yeah. Safe out there. Thank you. Bye-bye. And just to inform the board, I don't believe we will be getting Lansing Crane back. He sent an email that he needs to switch his power off because everything is down, so… Then we will move along to Agenda Item 7, since Agenda Item 6 was moved to Agenda Item 10. So this is going to be public consideration for an application filed on September 9th, 2025, from the CREP Shack Boulder LLC, doing business as Crape Therapy Cafe Boulder. 2273 31st Street, Suite 140, Boulder, Colorado, 80301, Mawa McQueen, 100% owner and registered manager, with a business mailing address of 305 Aspen Airport Business Center, Suite F, Aspen, Colorado, 81611 for a new hotel restaurant type liquor license.

[35:13] If you are here to speak on the matter, if you can please go ahead and raise your hand so that I can promote you to panelist. See one person? Okay, I have two people joining. Zach, you do need to go ahead and accept the promote to Panelist, so that we can see you and you can speak. Great, thank you. And if you can go ahead and unmute…

[36:02] Okay, fantastic. And do you have anyone else speaking with you? Or for you? Sarah? Oh. We can't quite hear you. Father, that is the children. Sorry, I mean, I'm working, so… Switch. Okay. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Okay. Oh my god. It's just… okay. All right. Okay, great. I'm going to go ahead and get you both sworn in. Ms. McQueen, let's see, so there's no attorney for you, correct? Nope. Okay. I would like to ask if you can please state your name, spell your name, and give an address for the record, please. Okay, Malawa McQueen? Aston, Colorado. Oh, spell my name, sorry. Mawa McQueen, M-A-W-A-M-C-Q-U-E-E-N.

[37:08] And an address for the record, please. Okay, 305. Aspen Airport Business Center. 81611. Okay, please raise your hand. And do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give in the matter before the Beverage Licensing Authority is true? Yes, that's what I meant. And do you swear or affirm that you or your employees have posted the premises for at least 10 days prior to today's hearing? Yes, a swive. Fantastic, thank you. And it looks like I have one other person to speak. Zach? Yes, can you hear me? I sure can, thank you. I'm gonna go ahead and swear you in as well, please. If you can please state your name, spell your name, and give an address for the record. My name is Zakaria Sidibe, so it's gonna be, Zulu Alpha, Kilo, Alpha, Romeo, Yankee Alpha, and my last name is gonna be S as in Sierra, India, Delta, India, Bravo, Echo.

[38:10] And, currently, I'm, 2291 31st Street. Boulder, Colorado, 80601. Thank you. And will you please raise your hand? And do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give in the matter before the Beverage Licensing Authority is true? I swipe, yes. Thank you. Chair Roberts, you can go ahead. Thank you so much. Okay. Cajolie! This is a public hearing for the Beverage Licensing Authority of the City of Boulder to determine whether or not the application of applicant The Crepe Shack Boulder LLC, doing DBA, Crepe Therapy Cafe Boulder for a new hotel-type liquor license shall be granted or denied. This hearing is conducted

[39:11] Pursuant to the laws of the State of Colorado and the rules of the Beverage Licensing Authority of the City of Boulder. The purpose of this hearing is to receive information, data, and testimony by interested parties in order to enable this authority to make the findings, and to reach the conclusions required to be made by state law as to whether or not the license applied for shall be issued. Interested parties are the applicant. The residents of the neighborhood under consideration, and the owners and managers of the business located in the neighborhood under consideration. For purposes of determining who is an interested party at this hearing, the neighborhood. Under consideration is the neighborhood previously defined by the authority. The authority shall make a final determination of the affected neighborhood prior to determining whether the license shall be issued.

[40:06] Any interested party may speak to the question of the neighborhood designation, as well as other information relevant to the granting or denial of this application. Members of the authority, does anyone have any ex parte communication or conflicts of interest with this establishment? Member Roberts, no. Member Barnes, no. In Ricard, no. Member Hagerdi, no. Great! Then, ms. McQueen, if you are ready to proceed, the floor is yours. Okay, well, I'm happy we opened in Boulder, and we need a liquor license so people can drink a little champagne, and and crepe. So, you know, it's a French concept, and we are very excited to be in Boulder, but with our alcohol, our Czech average is not great.

[41:04] And, it's very important that, you know, in order to survive, we have the legal license, for brunch, for… for lunch, and for dinner. Especially dinner, it's, It's a big deal. People come and they want to drink something, we can't have it. We have a beautiful place, the food is great. The only thing that's missing, It's, beverage. Can you talk to us a little bit about your procedures and policies around serving? So, while we caught everybody, regardless of who we are, because I already have… I don't know if you noticed, I have for other restaurants in, in Aspen, so this is not new to me. We card everybody, we put a sign out, you need to be 21 before, you know, and even, like, even if you have gray hair, it doesn't matter what you look like, we're gonna card you.

[42:03] Because, you know, that's the law. So, we… everybody has a TIPS certification, most of the people that work for us, including the manager, all we need now, because we made them take it. all we need now is just to be able to apply what we learn, what they learn, I should say, For the liquor. Do you have a training manual that you'll be… Yes, yes, we have… we have a training manual that we can send to you guys. And it, it lists even… people who have fake ID, how to determine, how to… we have all that. So, yes, we'd be happy to send it to you guys for reference. In general, we would have liked to have that with the packet, so we could. I… yeah, sorry, I, you know, I can… I didn't… see it.

[43:04] that you requested, the training manual, I didn't… Yep. But I can send it to you, you know, right after. It's on my computer. Right now, I'm in the kitchen. Is it the same training manual that you're using in your current locations? Correct. Have you had any alcohol violations? Not that I know of. We kind of moved into a question-answer phase, Are there other questions from the… Board? Well, if we did move into the question phase, I did see here that there was a 7-day suspension, due to a violation, where a cashier sold something to a minor, for 7 days of crepe therapy in Aspen. I would like to hear a little more about what happened there, in that situation, and also, how you recovered from that.

[44:12] Zach? You beyond. Can you put Zach on? Alright, can… can everybody hear me? So, can everybody hear me? Yes. Yeah, so, so what happened at, the crypt therapy, you know, in Aspen, so I have, one of, the employee that, when, somebody came in and, was talking to the employee, and, to be honest with you, the employee, you know, was kind of a little new into, to the Aspen area, and, you know, for some reason, you know, he did not, you know, ask her for the ID when the person, you know, presented themselves, you know, to… To buy an alcohol. And, it just happened, you know, to be…

[45:02] Now, what he wasn't supposed, you know, to do. So, basically, you know, that's, that's what happened. He didn't ask for the ID before, you know, getting, the person the alcohol beverage. What year was that in? It was, last year, if I'm… 20… No, actually it was… It was this year. This year? Well, this year? 2025. I'm confused. Ms. McQueen, so you did know about this violation, or you didn't? But Zach was the manager, so that's why I told him to explain what happened. Right, my… my question had been… Yes. Have you had any violations? And you said, not that I know of.

[46:01] Yeah, so for me, violation is, am I currently under the violation? No, I'm not. So that's how I understood it. Okay. Because it was lifted. We corrected. Sure, maybe my question was not a great one. Yeah, so that… I answer the, you know, I'm not under the current violation. Since we got our license back, we did the training, we fired a person who did that, So… In addition to this… this violation that you had this past year, have you ever in the past had any other violations in the state of Colorado? Nope, that was the first one. First one, okay. Yeah. And I've been… I had a liquor license for years, if you can check it out. Sure. Was that, was that a, a, like, a check by the city, or was that just a person who came in off the street?

[47:06] It was a check by the city. Sure, very sick, yeah, we'll see you. What is… okay, got it. Alright. That is good to know. Any other questions from the board? I noticed, you did say in your opening that… everyone is TIPS certified. Do you have documentation for that? Sure, and send it to you. So, Zach, are you going to be the manager at the location in. I am the manager. You are currently the manager? Yeah, that's what I… yeah, that's why I'm… I'm here in, in Boulder, so… My job, you know, was, you know, to make sure, you know, everything is in place, everything is ready, and training people, and, building up, you know, the team. So, yes, I have been into Boulder, it's been 3 months now.

[48:14] And, just, you know, just to add, you know, one more thing, yes, I would say, you know, 100%, you know, all the manager that, you know, we have over here, TIPS certified. Perfect. What is your planned, date to open, or are you already open? Reopen! We are, yeah. Yeah, we've already been open. Okay, got it. Any other questions? Do you guys have a closing… Statement before we… Deliberate?

[49:00] I mean, you know, I just want to, second, you know, what, Mr. McQueen, you know, just, just mentioned, you know, as a business owner, you know, we're kind of a little new into the area, but, you know, we definitely, you know, feel like, you know, having, the local license, you know, probably, you know, will kind of, you know, boost up a little bit, you know, our check average. And, as you know, you know, it being a business, you know, having that, you know, it's very, important. And, yes, we have, since, you know, this is not our first experience, and, you know, going through already, you know, into a different city, but still, you know, in the same state. We definitely feel like, you know, we do have, you know, all the tools and the requirements that can help us, you know, to to probably build here and then be ready, you know, to have a strong and, efficient, you know, plan when it comes, you know, to have a, legal license. So, that's what I wanted to say.

[50:03] Great, thank you. Then, at this time, we will close for deliberation. Alright, so my initial thoughts… Sorry. So, speaking… no. So my initial thoughts are, there's no policy included in here, and I don't believe that I can approve it. I don't feel like, personally, that I can approve this without seeing their alcohol policy. I think that's very important. And I know that they have other restaurants, I respect that, I understand that, but, it's… Boulder's a different town, it's a college town, much different clientele than Aspen, and I am just… I'm just concerned. You know, I want to make sure that everything is in place, and that they, are, you know, aware of the differences of, kind of, operating in this town. See that documented, and then also do want to see that training, or, like, the plan for that training, at least. Especially because they're already open.

[51:09] Yeah, you kind of named my points as well. There's no… Proof of alcohol policy, and they just had a violation, and so it would be interesting to see if they maybe, like, updated the policy to address that kind of situation, and to, like, understand how they're storing their liquor, and to understand just A lot more, and you're right, the clientele between Aspen and Boulder is vastly different. So, Yeah, and not seeing the proof of training. is concerning. Yeah, Member Hagg, yeah, I agree with, certainly both of you there. You know, she did mention that they have the, you know, the proof of training, they have everything, they just didn't supply it for this meeting.

[52:00] So I'm wondering if, you know, is there, a remedy to that? To provide them, you know, is it like a… Hi. We… I don't… We have choices. Yeah, yeah, because I, you know, I don't necessarily want to say, you know. See you next month, especially, during this maybe busier holiday time, But, yeah, to your points, like, I would feel a lot more comfortable knowing that, you know, these are in place, and, you know, there's a plan of, you know, a plan of action. Because, as you mentioned, the Boulder market is much different, and they're gonna, yeah, it's gonna be a different… Customer base, so… Just a thought. Yeah. So, Member Hagerty, are you thinking, like, a conditional approval, or what are your thoughts? Yeah, I'm certainly open to, yeah, a conditional type of approval,

[53:05] I, I don't… so I, I don't know, What that, you know, is it, like… They supply it before… we… we… Tomorrow, I can supply it. This machine, we are closed for… Sorry, sorry, sorry! To address that. So tomorrow is just… we have to make a decision based on what we have in front of us today, and we have a long hearing ahead of us, and so… Yeah. I'm… what… I would like to hear the conditions you're thinking. If you have… Yeah, that… The condition I was thinking was… just… not deny it, of course, I think that… This is a… It'll probably, you know, but to maybe continue it or something. Member Carwood, do you think, for a condition?

[54:01] I mean, I was just gonna say, I think we continue it till next month, Nope. Until we've had a chance to look at it, but… You know, I mean, it is incumbent on the applicant to provide us with these materials ahead of time. But again, I mean, if Member Hagerty or Member Barnes, anyone else has another opinion, I'm open to hearing what you all think. Yeah, this is memorable Oh, go ahead. Lisa. Member Barnes, I just… it's unfortunate we don't have the information tonight, or this afternoon. I wish we did, and I just, I'm kind of torn also, because it would be great to have the information you… if we get it later, I don't… like you said, we've got choices as a board, I just… I'm not quite sure how we can move it up until before our meeting next month. would help you guys out with, crick therapy, but we need to… I would like to see some more information before I approve it, is how I feel.

[55:12] Just looking through their packet, just making sure, like… Well… I will make a motion to continue… excuse me, Member Carr will make a motion to continue this application until our next period. Member Roberts would second that continuance till next meeting. All those in favor, say aye. Member Roberts, aye. Member Barnes, aye. Remember, car? Aye. Member Hagerty, aye. So, we're gonna go ahead and continue this. This is not a denial, but what we need to see is how… What are you giving to your employees? Let's see the handbook. what are they going to refer to if you are not there? How are they going to check IDs? What is… do you use a scanner? Do you use a book?

[56:07] Nutty? vertical, all these… One season. all of these things, the TIPS training. Whatever it is, however you support your staff, how you train them. the language, all of that stuff. We just need to see… what do you have posted around your shop? How do you handle an intoxicated person? All of these… all of these things. Your expectations for your team members if they encounter an intoxicated person. Things like that. So, this is not a denial, it is just a continuance, and hopefully the… The information we provided will be useful, and if you have any questions, you can always reach out to the city. They… the licensing clerks are super helpful. There are groups in Boulder, other businesses that you can talk to about how they do their policies, and there's a community out there, so we would really encourage you to just be really

[57:17] Just have all of your information so we can just make a really informed decision. Yes, Sarah? Oh, no, I was just going to let the applicant know the next date of the BLA, just so that they're ready. Yeah, I just wanted to give them the information so they know exactly what we're looking for and exactly how to show up next time, and we can… Be really excited with them. Great, so the next BLA hearing will be on January the 21st, so that's when it'll be continued, too. Okay. Great. Thank you. So with that, we'll move on to Agenda Item 8.

[58:08] Give me just one moment to get everyone situated, please. And I have… it looks like I have Fern O'Brien. Fern, are you here to speak for Agenda Item 8, which is… The public hearing and consideration for an application filed on September 19th, 2025, from TSR Cucina, Inc, doing business as DeGave Cucina at 3970 Broadway, Unit 101, Boulder, Colorado, 80304. Tamina Reki. 100% owner and registered manager with a business mailing address of 9052 Perry Street, Westminster, Colorado, 080031 for a new beer and wine type liquor license. So everyone who is here to speak on that, please raise your hand.

[59:18] I'm only seeing… oh… Tamina, I do see you, so I'm gonna go ahead and promote you. And Tamina, if you can go ahead and accept the request to be promoted to a panelist, that way… We can have you speak and do the video.

[60:17] Okay, Tamina and Fern… see, I'm not seeing… there you are, Fern. If you can go ahead and unmute. Okay, and Fern, you will be the attorney for this matter? Yes, thank you. Would you like to please record your appearance, and then I will get Tamina sworn in? Sure, I'm Fern O'Brien, I'm the attorney for TSR Cucina. Inc, doing business as DeGave Cucina. My, attorney registration number is 26912. And do you anticipate that anyone else other than your client will be testifying today? Not today, no. Thank you. Fantastic. Tamina, if you can go ahead and unmute so I can get you sworn in.

[61:00] Okay, fantastic. I would like to ask you to please state your name, spell your name, and give your address for the record, please. My name is Damina Raki. Spelling is D-A-H-M-I-N-A-R-A-K-H-I. The address is 9052 Perry Street, Westminster, Colorado, 80031. Great. And if you can please raise your hand. And do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give in the matter before the Beverage Licensing Authority is true? Yes. Thank you. Member Roberts, I will go ahead and turn it over to you. Great, thank you. Okay, so I lost my page… All right, and, this is a public hearing for the Beverage Licensing Authority for the City of Boulder to determine whether or not the application of applicant TSR Cucina, Inc, DBA,

[62:04] Cucina? Kitchen… For a wine type… for a new beer and wine type liquor license shall be granted or denied. This hearing is conducted pursuant to the laws of the State of Colorado and the rules of the Beverage Licensing Authority of the City of Boulder. Ms. O'Brien, since you are an attorney, would you Be okay waiving the procedures into the record. Yes, thank you. Okay, wonderful. And to the rest of the board, are there any conflicts or, has there been any ex parte communication? Member Roberts? No. Member Barnes? No. Kimber Cardinal. Member Haggerty, no. Great! Then if you are ready to proceed, the floor is yours.

[63:00] Very good, thank you so much. The first thing that I would like to do is, talk about the neighborhood petition that was done. Tamina did it on her own. And, to assess the needs and desires of the neighborhood. And, Tamina, can you share with the authority What the… What your process was, and what the results were. Sure, thank you, Ms. Fern, for the question, and thank you, Authority, to give me a chance to speak. Yes, as a part of the neighborhood needs and desire process, I personally conducted petitioning within the defined North Boulder neighborhood. Between December 3rd and December 8th, I contacted approximately 90 residents and the businesses. in the same neighborhood, at the designated area, and all 90 respondents were in favor. There was There were zero opposed signature, there were no religious objections, and no alcohol-related objections.

[64:05] My neighbors shared that they have been dining at this location for decades, and are supportive of the return of responsible alcohol service, and the petition was completed in accordance with the city requirements, and I personally witnessed each signature. I do win a couple of the houses in the neighborhood, and with the time, they are not There, I've left a note, and I also left alone a lot of my neighbors, who is my customers, and they shared their… My… this year, actually, this, testimony thinks their neighborhood apps. A lot of, actually, more than 60% Of the neighbor come to the restaurant voluntarily to sign it, and they are really waiting for us to get the liquor license so they can enjoy the dinner here. Thank you. Thank you. Does the authority have any questions for Tamina?

[65:03] Not seeing any. We can proceed. Thank you. Great. Thanks, Tamina. So, what is your position in the company? I am the owner, and I own 100% of the capital stock of the company. Okay, very good. And you have possession and control of the premises at 3970 Broadway? Yes. And is that through a lease? Yes. Thank you. And we know that you, posted notice of the hearing. Yes. 10 days before, on our door. Very good. On December 7th, I believe that was? Yes. Very good, thank you. Can you describe the neighborhood where the restaurant DeGabi Cucina is located. Yes. The establishment is located in the North Boulder Commercial District, a well-established neighborhood area with a mix of local restaurants, shops, community-oriented businesses such as Lucky's, China Gourmet. The area serves nearby residents and visitors.

[66:10] And also support walkable, neighborhood-focused dining and retail activity. Great, thank you. Could you also then describe your experience in the restaurant liquor business? How many years… And how many restaurants do you currently own? Other restaurants? I have over 5 years of experience in the restaurant industry, including ownership and day-to-day operation of food and beverage establishment. I currently own and operate multiple restaurants in Colorado. I have completed Responsible vendor training and experience working with the local and state legal license authorities to ensure full compliance with all regulations. I currently hold another legal license, which is in hotel and restaurant license, named Taj Bihad Pizza LLC, DBA Smoking Oak Hoot Fire Pizza, which is located in Broomfield, Colorado.

[67:11] And has that restaurant, Incited with any liquor violations? Since you've owned it? Not that I'm error of… not by hours, no. Okay. When you bought… DeGave Cucina. You were issued a temporary license, but it was later revoked. Could you talk a little about that and explain to the authority what happened? You don't have to go into major detail, I don't think. You know, the authority can ask you questions, too, but… Yes. I would like to clarify that it was, misunderstood of the process, and, the sequence of events for the authority, that, if,

[68:03] If I may, I can say that, that, when I took over this, business and the transition period, alcohol sales occurred between May to… May 5th to May to May 8th. Before the city informed me that alcohol service was not permitted, while the temporary permit was still under review, I misunderstood the concept and the process, so… on the… but when the city staff On the May 9th, the city staff contacted me and clearly advised that the alcohol service could not continue until temporary permits was formally issued. I stopped all alcohol services immediately at the same day and have remained fully compliant with the law since then. So there was no repeated violation or no intent to break the law. This was a one-time misunderstanding during the ownership transition. Based on reliance on the city guidance, I will sincerely apologize for the misunderstanding and respectfully ask the authority to consider my good faith action, immediate compliance, and commitment to full adherence in

[69:12] To all liquor laws going forward. Very good, thank you. And the previous license was a hotel restaurant license, correct? And this current license that you're applying for is a beer and wine license, so not… Ms. O'Brien, if I can get you to pause really quickly, I apologize, this is, Deputy City Attorney Ramirez. I think… I think we lost our chair. She's back. She's back. is back. She is back, she's back, she's just being promoted right now, she just popped back on. So if we can just hang on a quick second… Thank you. Do you have any idea how long she's been gone? That's what we're about to find out. Alright. less than… 3 to 4 minutes. Okay. And she can confirm that.

[70:01] All right, and if you would like to… us to repeat any of that, we're happy to do so. It's just taking a minute, hopefully it's not a connectivity thing. It does say that she's rejoining as a panelist, but then nothing's happening. I'm also very happy to expedite this testimony so that we can get… you guys can get through your agenda while we still have power. If that… if you guys are amenable to that. I'm not sure if we keep losing her. No, I see her. Fair. Hi, Chair Roberts, can you hear us?

[71:01] You are muted. Let's see if I can't unmute you. Can you hear me? Yes. We can hear you and see you now, yes. Chair Roberts? For better reception. For purposes of our record, can you let us know where you, left off? Yes, she was… Let's see, her attorney asked her to describe the neighborhood. We went through the neighborhood settings. I came back on when she was talking about responsible… being a responsible vendor. Okay, and Chair Roberts, if it helps your connectivity, you can turn off that camera. I may do. Yeah. All right, Mr. O'Brien, you can go ahead and continue. Okay, thank you. So, just to catch you up, Chair Roberts, DeGabi Cucina.

[72:05] Had a, hotel restaurant license. It was a transfer, but it was revoked, due to a misunderstanding that, Ms. Rocky explained to the rest of the group, and I'm happy to have her repeat that if you would like. Otherwise, we can continue on. Thanks. Happy to continue on. Okay, very good. So the previous… so what I was… Go ahead. So what I was going to say was that the previous license was a hotel restaurant license, and this new application is for a beer and wine license, so it's not subject to the two-year wait period. That a normal revocation would be subject to? Let me just grab my notes here. And…

[73:00] Hi, Ms. O'Brien. I… this is the second time I'm interrupting you. I sincerely apologize. I think we lost yet another… BLA member. Does anybody see Member Hagerty? I don't currently have Member Hagerty in the attendees or in… Wow. So, here's what we can do. Up… Pursuant to Section 2-7 of the BLA rules, three members of the authority shall constitute a quorum, and so… okay. Sorry, I think he might be back. Okay. So sorry, everyone. Nope. Give me one moment, I hope it's the right Brendan. And if folks do drop off, it may be easier, instead of joining through the Zoom app, just to dial in, given limited bandwidth.

[74:07] Hi, Member Haggerty? He's not muted. There we are. Can you hear me okay? Yes, sir. I'm here. I'm here. I think that I may, with your permission, kind of expedite this, hearing, and I believe, Ms. Rockey, that your application was complete and in order. Is that correct? And, and it was accepted by the, The licensing team, the liquor licensing team, correct? your application? Yes. Okay, thank you. So what I'd like to do is rest at this point, as opposed to going on with my testimony, and to the extent anyone in the authority has questions for my client.

[75:11] That would be great. Thank you. Great, thank you so much. Sorry about all the interruptions. Questions from the authority? I'm not seeing any. the only question I have… actually, sorry, And did I miss it? Have, let's see… Has TIPS training occurred yet for, any of your staff? Ms. Rocky? Yes, most of my staff has already been TIF certified, and myself and our manager is already CAST certified.

[76:08] Okay. I did not see it in the packet, maybe I just missed it, I apologize, but… Typically those are included within the packet. And then I had a second question for you, which was… the alcohol policy that I saw in here was… You know, essentially, like, a standard, just, like, one page. It looked like, is that the… does that constitute the entirety of your alcohol policy? No, this is the policy I submitted for the, application, which is a one-page policy. You need to submit it and sign it, so we make it a little bit shorter, and we have the more gradually bigger alcohol policy for the employee to follow. Could you expand upon that a little bit and tell me some of the other areas, perhaps, of your alcohol policy that you've, you've instituted to, prevent service to minors or, over alcohol, over-intoxicated guests?

[77:13] Yes, I, I do have that as a little bit extended, which is, about the ID verification policies that we, anyone who appears under 40 must be, have an estate ID. State ID means passport, state-issued ID, driver's license, including green card and armed force ID. But the main thing is ID has to be valid, unexpired, and government-issued. And any doubt, if any of the employee has a doubt about the ID, the date, or any sort of things, this, the manager has to be notified immediately, and this restaurant is manager every time. There is never, run a… run my restaurant without manager, without… My GM, if he has any problem not to be in there, that I personally, myself, would be there. The prevention of underage services is alcohol may not be sold.

[78:06] served or provided to anyone under 21. Servers and bartenders are responsible for verifying age. Also, my manager is going to be verified, overlooking everything, and Anything, any private events, or any events, if we ever host in the restaurant, has to be identified by 20-plus guests, and any suspected violation, all those must be reported to the management immediately. About intoxications, employees are trained to watch for signs of intoxication, including slaughter speech, impaired coordination, aggressive or inappropriate behavior, difficulty focusing or standing. Also, we have notified our employees, and they also know that if intoxication is suspected, that alcohol stop services immediately. Also, they notify the manager immediately, and also offer food or water or non-alcohol beverages, just to be calmed down, and also air and safe transportation if needed.

[79:10] And only have a refusal of service policy as well. Empuas are required to refuse the service if a guest is underaged. A guest lacks a valid ID, doesn't matter what old or how old are they. The guest appears intoxicated, and the guest attempts to purchase alcohol for another person. The management will support all staff decision to refill services. And also, we have incident reporting. Any alcohol-related incident must be reported to the management immediately. Management will document the incident in an internal log. We have a log on for that. And serious incident required to contact local authorities, which is, I believe the officer name is Lee. And we have, storage security as well, we have the management responsibility, we have disciplinary action for that, like, we do retraining, written warning, suspension, and even we do termination.

[80:10] We have employees that acknowledge me every time we hire. They have to read and understand the manual, they have to agree and comply with all our cost laws and policies, and they have to understand the violation may result in discipline or terminations. Thank you. Thank you, that is quite comprehensive. I appreciate that extra clarification. Wonderful. Any other questions? From the BLA. Not seeing any. Okay, would you like to give a closing statement? Yes, thank you so much. So… Tamina, Rocky, and her company, have… So far.

[81:01] done a great job running this restaurant, which is beloved by all the neighborhood up at… up in North Boulder. And, the one, I guess. The one question I did have is that people may be aware that there was a patio up there. And, and Tamina has told me that currently that will not be licensed. And there will be no alcohol served there. And that she will seek a license for that at a later date, and then seek a modification of premises. So I just wanted to make that clear in case all of you are familiar with, Dagabi Cucina and the patio up there. And, other than that, we respectfully request, the granting of the, wine and beer license for, for my client. Thank you so much. Great, thank you so much, and thank you for being forthcoming about the patio. Not a problem.

[82:04] At this time, we will close for deliberation. Any emotions? Discussion? Yes, Member Burns? No, I'm… I'm like… I make a motion to approve the beer and, the wine license for DeGave. Great. Is there a second? The car will second that motion. Okay, all those in favor, say aye. Member Roberts, aye. Member Barnes, aye. Never car eye.

[83:00] Member Hagerty, are you able to unmute? We'll figure that out. Yes, member Hagerty, I. Sorry about that. No worries. Great. Thank you so much for your, presentation, and you have been improved. Good luck! Thank you so much. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. Thank you. Good luck. Great, thank you. Let me just get folks situated. Alright, then we will move on. Double checking, we will move on to Agenda Item 9, which is the public hearing and consideration for an application filed on September 30th, 2025, from Main Stage Brewing Company, LLC, doing business as Main Stage Brewing Company.

[84:00] 6035 Longbow Drive, units 109 and 110, Boulder, Colorado, 80301. Eric Keene, 42% owner, Samuel Scrubby, 29.19% owner. Michael Richardson, 14.45% owner, with no other owners, over 10%, with a premises business mailing address for a new brew pubrub type liquor license. I do see, Mr. Runco has his hand raised, so give me one moment, everyone, and an Eric Keene. And if there is anyone else to speak on this matter, if they can please go ahead and raise their hand. Okay, and Mr. Runco, if you want to go ahead and unmute, and go ahead and record your appearance, please.

[85:06] Good afternoon, everyone. Robert Runko, Attorney Registration 41932 on behalf of the applicant. And here this afternoon with Eric Keene on behalf of Main Stage Brewing Company. Thank you, and do you anticipate anyone else will be speaking on this matter? No, just Mr. Keene tonight. Okay, fantastic. Eric, I'm gonna go ahead and get you sworn in, please. Cool. Eric Keene… oh, sorry. That's okay, if you can please state your name, spell your name, and give an address, please. Sure. Eric Keene, E-R-I-C-K-E-A-N, I live at 741 Baker Street, Longmont, Colorado, 80501. And if you can please raise your hand. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give in the matter before the Beverage Licensing Authority is true? Yes, I do. All right, fantastic. Chair Roberts, I will turn it over to you. Great, thank you so much. And… I heard that right, attorney Runco, you are… Representing today?

[86:10] Yes. And would you, waive the reading into the record? Yes, we will. Great. Then, let me just ask the board, is there any, has there been any ex parte communication or conflict of interest with anyone from this establishment? Member Roberts, no? Remember Burns? No. Never cardinop. Member Hagerty? Can you unmute yourself? Nope. No, got it. Thank you so much. Okay, if you are ready to proceed, the floor is yours. Thank you. Mr. King, I first want to address needs and desires of this application. It's my understanding that, main stage

[87:05] Circulated the petitions in this matter, on your own, is that correct? Yes. And you received the… the neighborhood for these petitioning from the City of Boulder? Yes? Can you briefly describe how you circulated petitions in this matter? Yep, I went out and circulated the petitions myself. We got the packet, wow, 10 days ago. So I hustled and, hit up all of our neighboring businesses, some of the closest neighborhoods to us, which are rather far from us, and… Outdoors. Received a whole bunch of yeses. No nos. So not homes. I know the authority has the packet in front of them, but do you recall exactly how many signatures you got in favor of your application? I believe it was a 31 signatures in favor of our application. Okay. And when you were out circulating these signatures, were you given any feedback from any of the businesses or residents, that, you know.

[88:03] Would pertain to this hearing, or, you know, issuing this license? From businesses, the feedback was, we love having a brewery right next to us in our neighborhood. We're back there in that Medtronic kind of campus in Gun Barrel, and they like having somewhere to go for happy hour. And for businesses, there was a lot of chatter about… or from residents, I'm sorry, a lot of chatter about closings. of going back to Finkel and Garf, Beyond the mountain, whose space we're occupying, the Rusty melons closing, and people looking for a good neighboring watering hole. So… check. Very positive. Thank you. And I believe you said, there, no petitions or no signatures in opposition to your license, correct? No, sir. Okay? And… go into this location specifically. You mentioned, Beyond the Mountain. Is this location currently licensed and operating as a brewery? The location is currently licensed and operating as a brewery under the licenses issued to Beyond the Mountain Brewing Company.

[89:01] We have a purchase arrangement with them, and a marketing agreement in place where they are currently branded as Main Stage, but selling, operating, running their own payroll, paying their own taxes under their existing licenses. Upon issuance of this, that will transfer to us, should you all decide to issue us a license. And Beyond the Mountain is a state-issued license, manufacturer, wholesaler, correct? That's correct, yes. Okay, and you currently have another brewery, is that correct? Yeah, we currently own and operate Main Stage Brewing Company Lions. We've been operating there. Since 2021, it'll be our fifth anniversary in May, so this is a expansion opportunity for us that is currently licensed as a brew pub, hence us needing to apply for a similar license type for this location, instead of continuing the manufacture wholesale. We need to match licenses. And in your operations, at the Lions location, have you ever had any liquor license violations?

[90:02] We have not had any liquor license violations that I'm aware of. I am aware of two times when the Liquor Enforcement Division has sent stings into our business, both of which we rebuffed and had no issues with, and they came back in and told us, good job. That's as close as we've gone, to my knowledge. Okay, and do you have any experience in the alcohol industry before owning and operating Main Stage Up in Lyons? Yep, both myself and my business partner, Sam Scrooby, have both come from the beer industry. I worked for Left Hand Brewing Company and the Left Hand Brewing Foundation for two and a half years before starting this business, and Sam was the head brewer at Upslope Brewing Company for about 10 years, before we both quit those jobs to do it our way and harder. Okay, and again, in any of your prior industry experience before Main Stage, did either of you have any liquor license violations? I'll speak for myself, because I'm not entirely sure. I have not been a part of any liquor license violation at any of my jobs. Sam, I don't believe, has either. He was in a production environment, so there may have been issues at Upslope that were neither his responsibility, purview, or that he was aware of, but…

[91:13] you know. Not anything tied to us as individuals or that we have control over. Can you give us a brief overview, like, the themed concept of Main Stage Brewing? Yeah, Main Stage Brewing, Sam and I both started with the mindset of The simple answer is bringing people together over beer. fostering conversation. We don't have TVs on or sports going on in the background. We like the idea of people getting together and gathering, community space, third space kind of identity. I also come from the music industry, I have a long background in that, so… entertainment and… Local music are priorities for us, making sure that people are really experiencing, you know, the friendship and kindness and grace of others. Yeah, we're not trying to go out and hustle beer in the market and sell cans and distribute and all that. We really just believe in getting people together and having a good time.

[92:08] And as it relates to, kind of, your food and beverage offerings, obviously going to have the beer you make, what will your wine spirits menu look like, and also food menu? Our food menu in Lyons is a little bit different than what we're planning for Gun Barrel. Our Gun Barrel food menu will be a little bit more simple. We're currently workshopping a little hot dog cart concept, Simple, elevated, but easy to execute for a couple of, bartenders. Our food program in Lyons is much more robust. We're essentially a full restaurant up there. We do about 70% of our sales this time of year as food sales. Which is lovely. the balance between our businesses is that we will sell food in gun barrel because it helps keep people in, but this is largely going to be a production facility for us to send beer up to Lyons to our other location, where we have extremely limited capacity, so…

[93:02] Yeah. And obviously with the menu being a little bit different down here at the Gun Barrel location, do you anticipate that those food offerings will still at least make up 15% of your on-site food and beverage sales? I anticipate they'll make up much, much more than that. There's an absolute dearth of options over there, so yes. Okay. I want to kind of walk through your, like, customer experience a little bit. If a customer walks into this location, and we'll talk about this location, not necessarily the Lions one. So, someone walks into the front door. Are they greeted by a host, or is this what someone would think of a traditional brewery, where it's got open seating, grab a seat wherever? Open seating, grab a seat wherever, is the answer. One of our staff trainings, though, is to greet every customer as they come in the door with a just friendly, hey, welcome, grab a seat wherever, come up and order with me whenever you're ready. So we do make sure that we make contact with everyone walking in the door.

[94:05] To the extent that that's possible, if there's 40 people, we're not gonna repeat that 40 times as they walk in, that would be a little silly. But yeah, and then, counter service from there on out, come up, order with us, and we'll either serve things directly to them, if it's a beer, or a glass of wine, or a soda, and if it's food, we'll run it out to their table as soon as it's prepared. And that's where I was going next, is on this service. So, a customer walks up to the bar, they want to order… again, we'll touch on alcoholic beverages here. They want to order an alcoholic beverage. How do you… what are your policies in ensuring that that person is over the age of 21? Straight down the line. Card everyone. Check them against… black light, we have an ID book under the counter. We don't accept any vertical IDs at all, we don't accept any expired IDs, we don't accept photos of IDs. We do accept the Colorado app. We've trained our staff on how to recognize the Colorado app versus some of the fake Colorado apps that are floating around right now, and we keep an eye out for that stuff.

[95:11] But overall, it's really simple. No ID, no drink. If someone attempts to order multiple drinks, we ask for IDs for who the other patrons are in their group. We are fine with someone carrying 3 beers back to their table, as long as I've seen the 3 IDs that match the 3 people that they're going to. and, When someone, you know, when they finish their beer, or, you know, they want to order another beer, something like that, is all that service done back at the counter, or do you guys roam and do table service on occasion? In Gumrel, all that service is done back at the counter. We're generally running one or two bartenders, so leaving the bar is just simply not an option for… Lots of reasons. Okay. And you have a patio at this location, correct? Yeah, small patio. Okay. How is that patio monitored, again, to ensure that one of these people that has ordered a beer is, you know, doing what they're permitted to do with that?

[96:03] Well, thankfully, the entire patio is visible through a roll-up glass door from the bar, so we can see the whole thing, which is super lovely. So, we monitor it by monitoring it? We watch it? Yeah. You can… you can monitor it from inside. Yep. Okay, and how is that patio enclosed? The patio's got a installed steel fence railing around the entire patio, the exception of the entry and egress from it, and the entry and egress are visible from really anywhere. Okay. And do you have, like, no alcohol beyond the points, or is there… that signage there now? Yeah, the signage is in place right now from Beyond the Mountains occupants, and we'll keep that. Okay. Yeah, anytime we have a brewery, obviously there's a lot of dangerous equipment in the back of the house where you guys are making the beer. How is that… Controlled to make sure patients aren't grabbing a beer at the bar and walking back and, you know. Trying to get in the tanks.

[97:01] All of the, I've never even thought of someone trying to do that there, which is funny. All of the, Brewing equipment, our entire production space is enclosed behind a glass wall with a door behind an accessible bar. There's also a door into the hallway, but that door remains locked during service hours, so someone would have to hop the bar, go through a bartender through a door, and get back there. That would be an aberration from… everything. What hours, are you planning on being open to the public? We're planning on being open to the public from 2 to 10 p.m, 7 days a week. I believe our application has those hours extended beyond that, because there are special events, we're planning on hosting… Medtronic just asked us if they could do a Friday happy hour and open us up a little bit earlier, so we want to give ourselves some flexibility to open earlier. And occasionally we'll do karaoke night or something that'll go a little bit later, but generally speaking, we're aiming at the… Neighborhood craft beer after work happy hour crowd. We are not aiming to be a CU Buffs post-game Rager situation. That's not our vibe, it's not our intent. Nothing good happens after 10pm, I'm too old for that.

[98:11] Like, I'm just not interested. And, food, the food options that we talked about earlier, would those be available during all those operating hours? Yeah, food will be available anytime we're open. In terms of the, you know, your policies as it relates to the alcohol service, what are your requirements for training and making sure all of your employees know those policies? All of our employees are required to complete ABT training, or TIPS. I don't think City of Boulder accepts TIPS anymore, but we just did ABT training. They're all required to complete ABT training within their first 30 days of employment. We regularly keep track of who's got their training and when, and is it expired. We retrain, Yeah. We just stay on it. It's worth it. And I know, just for… for clarification here, since there's been such flux in the responsible vendor training, ABT, you mean Alcohol Beverage Training, the Colorado Certified Responsible Vendor Trainer?

[99:10] Yep, yep, yep. And if you find that your employees have violated your policies as it relates to the alcohol service. What are the consequences or ramifications for them? The first thing we'll do is investigate. I think there's a level of accountability on us anytime something goes wrong to make sure the employee was appropriately trained, and that we can avoid that happening again. But if an employee willfully violates our policies, serving a minor, or over-serving someone, or allowing outside alcohol onto the premises, we will immediately terminate them. And you mentioned one to two people on shift at a time. How many employees do you, intend on having at this location? at that location. We're gonna have our employees be able to be flexed back and forth between our Lions location and that location, depending on what shifts are needing to be covered. So, overall, I expect us to have somewhere between 45 and 55 employees next year.

[100:06] The vast majority of those will be working in Lyons. We have a full kitchen there and a much larger staff. So, probably at any given time, 10 to 15 people who are regularly working shifts in Gun Barrel. Lots of part-time, 1 or 2 shift a week folks, couple full-timers. Thank you, those are the only questions I have. Again, the city attorney or the authority might have some follow-up for you. Thanks. Great, thank you so much. Are there any… Authority. I'm not seeing… Okay, did you want to, make a closing statement? We will forego a closing statement this afternoon. Remember Barnes unmuted herself, I think she may have a question. I don't. Oh! I'm just…

[101:02] Thank you for catching us. elaborate. We'll forego closing this afternoon. Okay, great. Then we will go ahead and close for deliberation. Any discussion? Any motions? I'm really happy with the presentation, sounds like they have a really good plan, very open and honest about how it's a brew pub, and it's… and, I appreciate that. And I also appreciate how the Lions location, like you mentioned, you had two people, two sneak operations that you guys pass with flying colors, and I… that's, speaks volumes to me, so… Yeah, and… Absolutely. And I generally think the presentation was… was comprehensive. Absolutely. I would go ahead and make a motion to, oh!

[102:00] Great. Member Roberts will second the motion. No. Sorry to miss it. I know there's some lag. I'll restate the motion. Member Carr will make the motion to Grant the license. For Main Stage Brewing Company. Great. Member Roberts will second the motion to grant the license to Main Stage Brewing Company. All those in favor say aye. Member Roberts, aye. Member Barnes, aye. Remember, car, I… I think, Member Hager just… And… maybe he's gone. Oh. Member Hackardy, can you… Respond, or speak, or… I believe we can still continue… oh, he's back.

[103:04] We can see you, just not hear you. We do have… yeah, we do have a quorum, right? So… We do. And majority, yeah. Oh. We can go ahead with that, without… Okay, then… I can go ahead with that approval, unless Roberto stops. Okay, then, congratulations has been approved, license has been approved. Thank you guys so much. Ever. It's not there. Thank you. Thank you again for all of your hard work this afternoon. I know it's been very difficult for you guys. It's been challenging, but that's okay. Excellent, thank you. Thank you to Member Barnes' partner, who has lit her and brought her tea and a backup battery, I think, at various places. candle, like… Oh my gosh! Thank you. ELA by candlelight.

[104:01] Appreciate you guys. Thank you so much. There you go. Okay, moving right along, thanks everyone for keeping up with us and being here if you can. We're going to be Agenda item 10, which is, public hearing, and consideration for an application filed on October 7th, 2025, Emily and Logan's Holding, LLC. doing business, as Logan's Espresso Cafe. 4790 Broadway, Building A, 101, Boulder, Colorado, 80304, Emily Crissick, 50% member manager, and proposed registered manager with William Patterson as 50% member manager, with a business mailing address of 59… or, excuse me, 4955 Moorhead Avenue, number 13, Boulder, Colorado, 80305 for a new beer and wine type liquor licenses. I do see a couple of hands raised. Yep.

[105:04] And Sarah, I'm already on. Fantastic. So it looks like Eva and Emily are joining us as… Panelists? And Fern, you will be. Be it the attorney in this? Fantastic. I don't believe you need to state your presence again. Yeah, I think you're right. Okay. Then I will go ahead and get your clients, Emily, and I know Eva's with Liquor Pros, I'm gonna go ahead and get them sworn in, together now. So we'll start with you, Emily. If you can please say your name, state your name, and give an address, please. Okay, I want to make sure you can hear me. Yes? We… yep, we can hear you and see you. Wonderful. Okay, great. My name is Emily Kriska, spelled E-M-I-L-Y-K-R-Y-S-K-A. My home address is 2350 Grape Avenue, Boulder, Colorado, 80304.

[106:02] Thank you, and will you raise your hand, please? Raise my hand, yeah. And will you swear or testify that the information you are about to give to the BLA in the hearing is true or correct? Yes. Great, thank you. And Eva will go ahead and get you sworn in as well. Can you please give your name, spell your name, and give an address, please, Eva? You bet. Good afternoon, Sarah. For the record, my name is Eva Gerritson, last name G-A-R-R-E-T-S-O-N, one of the owners of Liquor Licensing Professionals doing business as Liquor Pros, and we conduct needs and desires surveys for the whole entire state of Colorado, and we are located at 5515 Saddle Rock Place in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Great. All right, thank you both. I will turn it over to you, Leah. Do you need to swear me in? I'm so sorry, yes, thank you. Sorry, Sarah. I apologize. It's a long day, and amateur hour's over. If you will please raise your hand, thank you for catching that.

[107:00] Prayer affirm that the testimony that you are about to give before the Beverage Licensing Authority is true. Yes, I do. Okay, great. Thank you. Chair Roberts, please go right ahead. Great, thank you so much. And Attorney O'Brien, are you okay with me reading the, rules into the… the rules of procedure into the record? I'm happy to have you waive that. Great! And to the members of the authority, has there been any ex parte communication or conflicts of interest with this establishment? Member Roberts, no. Remember Carnot? Dear. Quiet. I don't see Member Barnes. I'm trying to… Double check…

[108:03] Give me just a moment. I also don't see Member Haggerty. Okay… Let's see if they can rejoin us, if everybody doesn't mind hanging on for just a minute, because that's what's happened in the past here, so if we just want to… Get a few minutes. Roberto, should we wait a certain amount of time to see if we can get, Member Hagerty or Member Barnes back so we can continue with the quorum? Yes, it is 4.50 now. I say that we stand in recess for 5 minutes, just for the benefit of all of those that…

[109:06] I have issues to be heard this evening. Okay, great. So, we'll just go ahead and… 455. We'll just pause the recording for 5 minutes, and then we'll all check back in. Thank you, Roberta. All right, so just a brief update. Member Hagerty did email me. He is unable to connect. So… we are waiting to see if we can get Member Barnes back. I haven't received communication from her, But that is where we are at currently. Understood. Keeping my eyes peeled in… Thank you, attendees. And in the emails. We will be hopeful, right, Emily?

[110:01] Always. The wind is shaking. That's understandable. I know, it's great. I mean, my car, my car is just… Blowing around. Well, I appreciate all you guys being here, who are here. And, you know, what is, is, I guess, and, you know… We can't change the weather, so… I am still not seeing Member Barnes, my apologies. That's alright. It's okay. Roberto, should we… wait longer, I don't believe we have a quorum now. I don't think that the BLA can proceed, at this moment.

[111:01] The obstacle is… Well… The only solution is that the remaining hearings are, are gonna have to get continued to our next tiering date. Do we already have, Sarah, do we already have… an agenda for that date? You're on mute. No, the agenda hasn't been created yet. Okay, so then we can, for purposes of the folks that have been waiting, we'll just move everybody to the front of the line. And start there. Okay. Thank you. Okay, sounds good. Thank you so much, appreciate it. Thank you, everyone. Have a safe and happy holiday. Yeah, take care, everyone. Thank you all.

[112:01] safe. Thank you. Thanks, Eva. Do I need to make an official… well, I guess we can't have a motion. No, no, you just, you just, cannot continue, Chair Roberts. Okay. So, we're gonna have to shut down, and I trust that staff will contact everyone who was waiting for us. We'll reach out. I do see, I do have Kevin Coates and a Patrick Sullivan with their hand raised. I just want to let you all know, we will reach out either this evening or first thing tomorrow morning as we are able with next steps and information. We apologize, this is an extreme weather event. Did Kristen want to say something? Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and end the meeting, unless otherwise instructed differently.

[113:07] And like I said to all attendees, thank you, and you'll be receiving information from us as soon as possible for next steps. Sarah? Thank you. Bye. Have a good night, everyone. Be safe, everyone.