December 3, 2025 — Beverage Licensing Authority Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:02] And recording has started. Chair, you may now call the meeting to order. Hang on a sec. Okay, sorry about that. Okay. This matters before the beverage license, actually, hold on a second. I don't know. Okay, this is a public notice for the City of Boulder special hearing of the Beverage Licensing Authority hearing, Wednesday, December 3rd, 2025 at 5 p.m, and this is a virtual hearing.

[1:08] This matter is before the licensing… the Beverage Licensing Authority. Or, sarah, do I just jump right in? I need to go ahead and do roll call first. Okay, that's what I thought. Okay. So I'll now move on to member roll call. If you will please speak your name and presence aloud. Member Ginger Barnes? Present? Ginger Barnes, present? Thank you. Member Michael Crane? Member Carpresent. Sorry, sorry, bye. Remember Lansing Crane? Where? The member Brandon… Member Hagerty present? And Chair Roberts. Chair Roberts present. Okay, I will now be sharing my screen so I can read the rules. Give me one moment, please.

[2:07] The City has engaged with community members to co-create a vision for productive, meaningful, and inclusive civic conversations. This vision supports physical and emotional safety for community members, staff, and board members, as well as democracy for people of all ages, identities, lived experiences. Oh, excuse me, I'm not sharing my screen, I apologize. Now I'm sharing my screen. I apologize for that. Let's see, we'll just start over. The City has engaged with community members to co-create a vision for productive, meaningful, and inclusive civic conversations. This vision supports physical and emotional safety for community members, staff, and board members, as well as democracy for people of all ages, identities, lived experiences, and political perspectives. For more information about this vision and the community engagement process, please visit boulderColorado.gov services.

[3:06] The City will enforce the rules of decorum found in the Boulder Revised Code, including participants are required to sign up to speak using the name they are commonly known by, and individuals must display their whole name before being allowed to speak online. Currently, only audio testimony is permitted online. No attendee shall disrupt, disturb, or otherwise impede the orderly conduct of any meeting. In a manner that obstructs the business of the meeting. This also includes failing to obey any lawful order of the presiding officer to leave the meeting or refrain from addressing the board. Only one person at a time is allowed to speak unless an accommodation, like an interpreter is required. All remarks and testimony shall be limited to matters related to city business. No participant shall make threats or use other forms of intimidation against any person. Obscenity or other epitaphs based on race, gender, or religion, and other speech and behaviors that disrupt or otherwise impedes the meeting will not be tolerated.

[4:12] I did also want to let the board know, before we get into agenda Item 1, and I did send an email briefly about this, that there is an additional boundary hearing that we need to please set. I can pull that up on the screen if you'd like to see that. That was for an agenda item that got missed. being put in the last agenda. I'm happy to share my screen if you like. There are no current liquor licenses near this proposed liquor application, so I don't have any suggested boundaries. Would you like to see that area? Yes, please. Give me one moment.

[5:07] And that is for the Main Stage Brewing Company, which is, doing business as Main Stage Brewing Company, at… 6035 Longbow Drive, units 109 and 110, Boulder, Colorado, 80301. It is… they have a business premises address for a new brewpub-type liquor license. So there was… there was nothing in, like, where Avery is, or those other ones? That's outside of the city limits. Is it really? Sorry, I'll just jump in here. Hi guys, it's Caitlin. Those ones aren't necessarily outside of the city limits, but they have state licenses, so the BLA, doesn't actually look at those licenses because they're brewery licenses.

[6:03] So, you have actually not set boundaries for those before, there are state licenses for breweries or for manufacturing, things like that. Great, thank you. Thank you, Kayla. Scaling. Could you zoom out a little further? So, like, east going east, what is that, 75th out there? It's, like, 75th Extended. I think it's 75th to the east. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah, so, yeah, 75th to the east, that encompasses, like, all of Glum Barrel, right? Nope. More or less. J to the south. Jay to the south, and then… Look out, come on. I was thinking Lookout, too.

[7:01] Yeah. And then… Do you want to go to the neighborhood above lookout? Could you zoom out a little further? Wouldn't that be? That's creepy. Is that tricky? We can go all the way up to, what is that, 52? We could do 75th on the east, 52 on the north. 119 on the west. Jay on the south? Thanks, sir. I'm sorry, what did you say for the East? 75th. I'll make a motion for those, boundaries. I second the motion. Ginger Barnes? Great, all those in favor, say aye. Member Roberts, aye.

[8:03] Remember Barnes Eye? member car aye. Mr. Gray and I. Member Haggerty, aye. Alright, that passes. Thank you. Thank you. Let me stop sharing my screen. Okay, so I'm going to read the matter into record, and then we do have an interpreter to swear in. So, I'll read the matter, and then swear the interpreter in. This is a show cause hearing concerning alleged violations for whether the retail liquor… excuse me, retail liquor type liquor license held by DDS Liquor and Food Mart Incorporated, doing business as DDS Liquor and Food at 44… 18 North Broadway, Boulder, Colorado, 80304 should be suspended or revoked. They are currently in good standing with Boulder sales tax. If you are here as the interpreter, if you would please raise your hand.

[9:09] I believe I see them, so let me go ahead and promote this person. Give me just one moment. Hey, Sarah, me again. They're promoted already. Oh. It's Anjua. Okay. Anjuba, would you please turn on… oh, thank you, there you are, perfect. I'm gonna go ahead and swear you in, give me just one moment. If you could please raise your hand. Do you solemnly swear or affirm that you will make an accurate, complete, and impartial interpretation from the English language to Nepali, and vice versa, of all communications during this process using your best skill, judgment, and ability? Yes, I do. I believe then we will turn it over to Mia Keller.

[10:05] Thank you, Ms. Riggs. I do know that Mr. Fabian, I'm not sure if it's Fabian or Fabian, the attorney for DDS is here as well as an attendee. So I'm not sure if we should promote him as well. I'm looking, just one moment… He's being promoted right now. Evening, everyone. And also for our interpreter, you can begin interpreting. Sure, thank you so much. Great. Thank you, Ms. Riggs. The city would like to call our first witness, then. That would be Officer Leah Reck.

[11:14] Officer Reck, could you please state your name and spell your last name for the record? Friday afternoon. Do I need to be sworn in? Oh, I apologize. Yes, Officer Reck, you do need to be sworn in, and then if we could just pause before you answer the question, so that it could be interpreted. Greg, if you could please raise your hand. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give in the matter before the Beverage Licensing Authority is true? I do. But it didn't. And what do you say… And will you say and spell your name, please? My name is Leah Reck, L-E-A-H-R-E-C-H.

[12:00] Miranamlia Reco, L-E-A-H-R-E-C-H. Officer Reck, where do you work? kamunsa. I work for the City of Boulder Police Department. And how… Oh, they're gonna… I'm sorry. And how long have you worked at the City of Boulder Police Department? aka. Almost 25 years. persona. And what are your duties at the Boulder Police Department? Hirohanisa. My current assignment is the Alcohol Enforcement Officer. Madhiranyu ni kara nadikari ko gamgar so melein. And can you explain a little bit more about what you do in that role? Hunsa.

[13:00] My role involves, in taking calls for service and investigating and enforcing alcohol rules and regulations within the City of Boulder. City of Boulder Nagar-Bitrah. Officer Reck, are you familiar with DDS Liquor and Food Mart? Tapai Lai. Yes, I am. Tarmalade. And how are you familiar with them? ahai. They are one of our liquor-licensed establishments within the City of Boulder, and I have responded to calls for service there. rahlikasu.

[14:01] Officer Reck, how did you first become aware of potential issues at DDS Liquor and Food Mart? DDS Liquor and Food Mart na bhai ko katnah, tayko sa is taha pound bhayo, ata. I was alerted by our detective, Sergeant Fry, that a report had been taken by Officer Smith. nera. Which involved videos of what appeared to be young or underage individuals. In TikTok videos. kudi ho. And this information was reported by a parent of a student who attends a high school in Boulder. I don't know why I put you.

[15:04] And she recognized some of the students in the videos. ho. Officer Reck, you talked about a TikTok video. What is TikTok? kiho. TikTok is a social media platform where people can create, edit, and share videos with the public, or in private. me san. What is the TikTok account that was associated with this report? You report masam lag na bhi ko TikTok account kunang kit here. It was an at sign with the word jagged, J-A-G-A-T dot Nairula, N-I-R-U-L-A.

[16:05] at J-A-G-A-T. This is the interpreter speaking, and interpreter would like a reputation for that name one more time. Great. Officer Rett, can you repeat that name one more time? Absolutely. Jagged, J-A-G-A-T. dot Nairula, N-I-R-A-U-L-A. J-A-G-A-T dot N-I-R-A-U-L-A. And Officer Reck, is that a name? Hajir ho. Yes, it is. I don't know. And who is Jaget Narula? Jagot Miro la kuh? Jaget Nerula is an employee of DDS Liquor and Mart. DDS Liquor and Mark Makamar Nikana.

[17:01] Have you looked through the videos on this account? Yes, I have. Moilihire. Can you describe to the BLA the kinds of videos you've seen on the account? aka na. On the account, I have observed or watched approximately 16 videos. video horizont. That appear to have young, Students or young kids or underage individuals dancing, some with, alcoholic beverages. kudi kinsa. Are you able to tell where these videos are filmed?

[18:04] Yes, I am. Masaksu. Where are they filmed? Cotillo. They are filmed inside of DDS Liquor Store, some on the liquor side, and some on the market, or mart side. rah tiyo. How do you know this is the inside of DDS Liquor and Food Mart? UDS Liquor, Liquor and Food Mart bitri ho van. I've been inside that establishment several times. poge. Officer Reck, I'm going to share my screen with you now. screen share ga nasante tu. Are you able to see it? Yes. Ledec Nouveau, not here.

[19:02] So I'm going to share exhibits 1 through 4. aka. Just from the still image, Do you recognize exhibits 1 through 4? ehan. Yes, I do. Modelini? What are they? Yukihu? Those appear to be the… some of the videos. that were posted on the social media, account by Jagged. Let's ticked. I'm agree. spiroyo seh. And how do you know? Yaha. Those are the videos that I personally saw on his account.

[20:05] milieu. To your knowledge, have these exhibits been altered or manipulated in any way? a. No, they have not. Tighten up. This time, the City is going to move for admission of exhibits 1 through 4. aka. Please, er… Do you need me to… Yes. Thank you, Roberto Ramirez. Deputy City Attorney, Chair Roberts, this is where you would ask the licensee's attorney if there are any objections. Thank you.

[21:09] There are no objections. Thank you. Thank you. And then, Chair Roberts, we're gonna ask for permission to publish. Please publish. an. you, Chair Roberts, you do have to admit them first. Oh, I'm so sorry. Please, yes, admit them into… admit them… And publish. They are admitted. Please publish. Thank you. Are you able to see my screen, Officer Reck? Yes. When you see I'm hot, I'm fine in the street. Hardy called a body where dad does not need shit to me. That's what all people do want from me. You see, I'm hot, I'm fine in the street. Hardy called a body, what dad does, I need shit.

[22:28] I'm sharing. Do this. Officer Reck, are you still able to see? Yes. With me, Lucid, I'm… smoking some of that. I remember correctly. I don't have an amygula. I go, but I'm regular sexy. I transform like I'm Nelly. I'm dumb as him. I want his bestie.

[24:28] Is there something playing? There should be a video playing, but there's no audio. I'm not seeing a video. Just a second… It was a still screen, is what you were seeing. Okay, give me just a moment. For all of them, or just… the last one. There was maybe a brief second of a video, but it was mostly still. Okay. There was a brief moment of audio, too.

[25:01] Okay, for… for all of them, though? I guess I didn't know there was more than one. Okay, okay. the first one. Alright, I will try to share a different way. tonight, gentlemen. Right, are you able to see my screen? Yes. And it looks like a video. Alright, this is Exhibit 2. Take care of that. I go, how can I make it look? I'm regular sexy. I taste more like I'm Nelly. I'm dying for him, I want his bestie.

[26:02] This is Exhibit 3, give me just a moment. And then… Finally, give me just a second, I will share Exhibit 4.

[28:09] Were those exhibits visible to the BLA? Alright, wonderful. I appreciate your patience. Alright, Officer Reck, can you please describe the videos we've just seen for the BLA? a. Those were videos that I observed posted on jagged.narula's account, and those videos were all public-facing, which means anyone who logs into TikTok can view those. hun sah. And I want to correct myself, you don't need to log in, you can just…

[29:00] go to TikTok and search that. You don't need a login to view those videos. kunsa. Officer Reck, did you observe alcohol in any of those videos? Officer Rick Tabail penny bidiva madera dikh nu bayo. Yes, I did. Molly decay. Have you been able to identify any of the individuals in these videos? Yes. I do. How have you made identifications in this case? There's been a couple different ways. keti.

[30:01] One of the ways is the names of the people in the video have been what we consider tagged in the video. Or in the it's… sayin. And one of the comments said… made a comment about the boys from BHS, or Boulder High. kutiyo. And so I reached out to the school safety advocate. a saga. And he was able to confirm the identities for me. i nubayo.

[31:02] Alright, Officer Reck, I'm going to share my screen again and go exhibit by exhibit. Pramad hairyo. There you go. Are you able to see my screen, Officer Reck? Mayor screen dek noisan? Yes. The Kikatu? I'm showing you what has been previously admitted as Exhibit 1. Have you been able to identify any of the individuals in this video? No bayo. Yes, all of them. Mailla sa pailain. And you don't have to say their names, but can you tell the BLA the birthdates of the individuals you've identified? Hunsa.

[32:00] This isn't going to be in any particular order, just because they're dancing around, is that okay? Yes, that's fine. Hunter. Okay, one of the, boys has a birthday in May of 2008. Exana codes are memetira hypothamit these are at. Another October of 2008? Orgo kurakot sa October duharat. another of October of 2007. Arsad. Another in June of 2008. Jat. And another in August of 2008. aka. I'm showing you it has been previously admitted as Exhibit 2. Have you been able to make any identifications from this video? Yes, I am. Sorry.

[33:08] Can you tell us the birthdates of the individuals you've identified? kanaka. Yes, and in no particular order from this video. One of the girls' birthday is December of 2007. Sad. Another in June of 2008. aura hai ko sa Jun burea darat. And one of July of 2009. July DSR now. I'm showing you what has been previously admitted as Exhibit 3. Have you been able to identify any individuals in this video? kan.

[34:04] Yes, it's a picture of a bunch of different… Are you able to see that? Yes, I am able to see that. Ajir, my japoisan awareness, okay? Great. Have you made identifications of any of these individuals? baya. Yes, I have. Melee Company? Can you share their birthdates for the board? Maharu. So, I've only been able to identify one of the boys, and I will have to refer to my notes to get his specific birthday. munsa. Without looking at your notes, do you recall if he was over 21 or under 21?

[35:05] Under 21. I guess for some money perti. Finally, I'm showing you what has been previously admitted as Exhibit 4. Have you been able to make identifications in this video? Yes, one. Monday out, like January. What is the birthdate of that individual? Rhiko. And that one, I would have to look at my notes again. I apologize. No worries. uparne hunsa. Do you recall that individual as being over 21 or under 21? Under 21. It goes for some money, but yeah. Of all the individuals you've been able to identify in these videos, has a single one of them been over the age of 21?

[36:01] kasiata. No. TNN. Of all the individuals who have been holding alcohol in these videos, has a single one of them been over 21? to. No. On holiday now. Of the identifications you've made, have you been able to determine where these students go to school? kusan. Yes. Me too. And what school is that? Kun School Hotel, Kun bidalayo. Boulder High School. Boulder High School. So, Officer Reck, I want to transition a little bit to ask you, about calls for service.

[37:07] Have any Boulder Police Department officers analyzed CAD data for DDS Liquor and Food Mart? DDS Liquor and Food Marko, auru kunai penitata samkal dan aurulai nugaman gali kosa. Yes, Officer Davik analyzed that CAD data for me. Officer David Leitzykalangari, sir.i. And what is CAD data? Kiho. CAD is an acronym for Computer Aided Dispatch. It's lengthy, Computer Area Dispatch, Manitobaninta. And the data is all the calls for service That have come into the police department through our dispatch, or officer-initiated. It's matching jytipani prahary sumparka garnupareka, prahary ko seba magna pareka, data haru ko barima sam kalang hari ko, number ho, data ho, you say.

[38:10] Officer Reck, how many calls for service were directly associated with DDS Liquor and Food Mart between October 1st, 2024 and October 31st, 2025? October 8th, October 8 katisar Pati summer, DDS leisi kati Patak praari kosi nupare kuti ho, bannera Data lei kamsah. 51 calls for service. Ika nagata. And when you say calls for service, can you elaborate on some of the kinds of calls for service that were made? aka. The calls consisted of, the salts? harassments, burglaries, Trespassing, intoxicated individuals, medical calls.

[39:04] kotyo. Are you familiar with an incident that generated Report 25-00375? Zankarisa. Yes, I am. Malaya. And how are you familiar with it? Bai laiko serizant. That was a call that was assigned to me, that was taken December 31st… well, it occurred on December 31st of 2024. And it is a call where Officer Smith. Took a report from a parent.

[40:03] report lien mu bahi kotheoki. I have a 16-year-old female. na balika. Who was currently at the hospital. She was on an M1 hold. highlighting M1 Hold Maraki ko tiyo. Which means mental health hold. huh? For attempting to harm herself. A fully, affili. Her mother discovered 6 purchases of alcohol in the month of December. December kumaina varima. From DDS Liquor and Mart?

[41:02] Kutiu. And while at the hospital, her blood alcohol level was a .298. doi nao at you. Right, and just for clarity of the record, what is the legal limit for intoxication, Officer Reck? Well, for under 21 years of age, there shouldn't be any level of intoxication. un motio. That even if she was of age, this would be a scary amount, correct? leather. Yes, it would. For…

[42:00] for, sake of, understanding where we're at, a .1 in an adult would be a DUI. Officer Reck, are you familiar with the incident that generated Report 25-00195? aka. Yes, I am. Malaysia. And how are you familiar with it? That is a DUI that Officer Harper a report from Officer Harper of a DUI that occurred on January 7th of 2025. Then, very sad. In which I reviewed his report.

[43:05] And can you describe this incident for the BLA? BLAG. Officer Harper was doing some directed patrols in the area of DDS Liquor. Officer Herbert Lee, DDS Laker Kam Gari nubai koto. When he observed a vehicle parked in the parking lot in front of the store. Aroma halis paselko agadi, gadi ruke, parking ma, gadi rake ko dikn bahio. when Officer Harper… Pulled into the lot, the vehicle left, took off out of the parking lot. parking lot, ski rugayo. The vehicle did not have its lights on. Gadhiko lights, pane on guardia ko tiya, bati value kotya na.

[44:02] When Officer Harper pulled the vehicle over. Officer Harper liaadi kari harpare le jabagadi ruknei pusheskar na bayau. They had an open container of alcohol in the front that they had been consuming. raw gadhiko agadi, madhi rako, holy echo, bahadu baiti ko yo. Kothiyo. Switching gears again a little bit, Officer Reck. Can you explain for the BLA the proper procedure for a business with a liquor license when they discover a fraudulent ID? galat ID bektari ko kandaman ki garnarsa bannera bani binah sauna. Sure, there are two options. One of them is to give the ID back and refuse to sell to the individual.

[45:06] Or the other one is to seize the license and then turn it into the police department within 72 hours. bartni. Is it fairly common for licensed businesses to turn in fraudulent IDs to the Boulder Police Department? Boulder gonagar per hari, mah, galat ID haruat ragalit pori je padra harulai samanitaifi tigeri nigari pasata. Yes, it is. Tom. Approximately how many fraudulent IDs have been turned into you from liquor-licensed businesses in the past year? i kosa. I believe we are at over 2,600.

[46:05] How many fraudulent IDs has DDS Liquor and Food Mart turned into Boulder Police Department in the past year? Liquor and Food Market Leh, boulder nagar prahari lahati oda nagkali Paris Patrahar rupt. None. Uta penis reno. Alright. Officer Reck, we've talked about a lot of things this evening. Overall, do you have concerns about DDS Liquor and Food Mart? Sintaharusan. I do have a lot of concerns. Based on your training and experience and investigation into this case, can you summarize what those concerns are for the BLA?

[47:01] a. The concerns that I have, and these are just a few. Is the service to alcohol… the service and sale of alcohol to minors as young as 16 years old. This is an ongoing problem. Ra yu padak pada ghati rahubat naaza. Even after prior conversations with the manager. kaisan. I think that the… Behavior of the establishment.

[48:00] Junsutargan is in Slovakia. Is a concern for the wealth and the safety and welfare of the community, as well as the students that are being… or the underage individuals that are being sold alcohol to. sayin. It's also concerning that there are students or individuals coming from outside of the city of Boulder to purchase alcohol from there. bani ko sa Officer Reck, when you talk about people coming from outside the city of Boulder to purchase liquor at this establishment, can you elaborate on that? Soklahsa.

[49:09] Yes, one of the videos, that I observed, we… I were able to identify students from Broomfield area high schools. Broomfield ko, uchama de bank widal high school batapane kai Vidad yaru ai ko deki ko sah. So, to be clear, you have concerns that students from other high schools outside of Boulder are coming to this establishment to buy alcohol? nada. I have huge concerns about that. ahasa. Thank you, Officer Reck. I have no further questions for this witness.

[50:16] Mia, are you going to be calling any other witnesses? Yes, I have 3 additional witnesses, but… oh. Hold on. Hi, Chair Roberts, this is when you offer, the licensing Council, an opportunity for cross-examination. Thank you. Is anyone on the board, would anyone on the board like to ask Officer Reck any questions? What's the architecture reply. I'm sorry, gave birth to Hanzu. Before that happens, Chair Roberts, The licensee's counsel gets to cross-examine the witness.

[51:00] Oh, I'm sorry, yes. Thank you. Attorney Fabian, or Fabian? Fabian's. Thank you. Would you like to ask Officer Ruck any questions? Yes, I would. I'm sorry, Mr. Fabian, if you could please record your appearance. Absolutely. My name is Tyler Fabian, attorney for the licensee, bar number 61221. This is the interpreter speaking. Could you please repeat the last sentence one more time? Tyler Fabian, attorney for the licensee. Bar number is 61221. And I'm Tyler Fibian Ho, Ramiro mate licensee ko workingho, ramido bar number rahi kota. I'm so sorry, could you please repeat the bar number for interpreter one more time? Yes, 6… 1… 2, 2, 1. Ta Eck Day ick.

[52:00] Great, thank you so much. You may proceed. Officer Retch, how are you? Good thinking. Just wanna make sure. You're coming up on my screen. Right? To your knowledge, does DDS have a social media platform? salsa. I don't believe that DDS has their own social media platform. Salah. And just to clarify, the TikToks you were mentioning are on an employee's personal social media platform? TikTok hatha aura.

[53:01] Yes, they are, and he has tagged this store in his videos. i kosa. Okay, so this store does have social media presence. Just by being tagged, if you will, if… do you need me to describe that? sah. Yes, just to clarify, usually with a tag, it's referenced that it's tagging to another account. Just to clarify that DDS does have a social media account. per seh. Okay, and just to confirm what I saw was…

[54:02] DDS, Liquor and Mart, he… it was written on the… Like, in the comments section, or where he would post the information about the video. prastaba na zahi. Okay, and when you say, he would post it, you're referring to Jagged? And he would write it in the comments. bhai koh. Yes, I'm referring to Jagged, and it was almost like a title of a video, if you will. hai. Okay, and you mentioned that you observed 16 TikTok dances, either in DDS's liquor store or DDS's market.

[55:02] ko sa Yes, I did. How's it here? How many of those 16 were in the liquor side of the store? I would have to go back and look at each of the videos to get that specific number for you. aka. Okay, you can give, the board a general guess. If you could. Okay, ladies, akmohunsa bane. Oh, goodness, without looking at it, I would hate to give a guess, but I would say probably half? uparisa.

[56:07] However, some of the videos that were posted on the mart side were Dancing with liquor. The soccer one was an example of that. ko seiza. And by soccer, I mean Exhibit 3. Promad 3. Okay, and whenever you, described them as all showing alcohol, were you referencing just the background of those videos? Bahi ko ho. Can you repeat your question? I'm sorry. You described alcohol being in those videos, were you describing the… in any of those videos, were you describing the alcohol being in the background?

[57:03] bahay ko ho. Yes. Had it home. Okay, so how many of those videos? Showed, people holding alcoholic beverages. Video. Again, I would say probably half. Network, logbook, ID register. Okay. Do you believe in the… Four videos shown here today, that they were all holding alcoholic beverages. hi. Three of the videos, 3 of the 4, Word.

[58:01] Okay. And I'm sorry, I'm not trying to trick you or anything, I just wanted to make sure that whenever you're describing half the videos of… there being alcohol in it. You're not just also including videos that just include background. of our. kusu. So, I'll clarify, of the 16 videos we, that I saw, I felt like half of them Had some form of alcohol being held, but they have not all been identified in those 16 videos, the individuals within them. Hmm. Soapkina.

[59:10] However, the four exhibits that we've seen tonight Three of the four had alcohol that they were either holding or had their hands sitting on it. That they had placed on the counter. Thank you so much for clarifying that. And are those TikToks still public-facing? itan. The last I checked, which was several weeks ago, they were still, but some had been pulled down. kotyu.

[60:06] And to your knowledge, which ones have been pulled down? karaesa. The one specific to this case, or to this investigation, was exhibit number 1. hotay kusan. And can you just, as a timeline, clarification, can you describe when This was served, or the affidavit was served, to the licensees, to when you last checked, kind of that timeline. ja. I cannot speak to when they were served.

[61:01] Hmm. Oh, go ahead, but… Okay. Sorry, I'm sorry. But as I said, the last time I checked, and looked at that social media account was probably 2 weeks ago. And just to clarify, because we've only been able to view 4 of the TikTok videos, in any of the TikTok videos you observed, is there anyone consuming alcohol? Not that I recall. Okay, and on the same lines, for all the TikTok videos you've observed, were there any open beverages of alcohol? katyota.

[62:06] No. Lena. Just jumping forward to, the instances referring to CAD, as you described. karakani garam. Just as a reference and for my own knowledge, you said that there's 51 calls of service that directly involved DDS. lam na. Yes. I'll get home. And would those include calls to service that just use DDS as a descriptive location? thyota.

[63:02] No, there were 221 calls there, only 51 of them. per Officer Davik, directly resulted in some sort of alcohol being mentioned in the call notes. Officer David Ko note na adharmace. And just for the record, I know this isn't a court proceeding, however, I just wanted to make a note that, obviously, using, information given by the other officer, an officer. I'm gonna object here if Mr. Fabian's offering some sort of testimony, this should be in the form of a question. If he'd like to object to me asking Officer Reck about another officer's assistance with this investigation, he should have done so at the time of the question. Again, we're not bound by the rules of the court, as this is a board hearing. However, I will withdraw

[64:08] My objection. Officer Reck, just moving forward to, the incident that occurred on December 31st, 2024, that you mentioned. hi. Okay. Okay? You alluded to that the parent informed you that they had, saw purchases from DDS Liquor Store on their statement. Wanera. Yes, on her daughter's bank statement.

[65:00] And can you verify that those statements were itemized? Ratiana Harifyerika Saman Haruko, gooda. She… the mother was able to give the dates and the amounts of the purchases at the liquor store? Is that what you're after, or question is? ho bani. No, I'm asking if, the purchases were itemized, listing the individual items that were purchased. nose ko. No, that doesn't typically show up on a bank statement. Two same prices, so bank statement, statement mandatory, you know? And can you ver… can you, verify that purchases from DDS Liquor and Grocery, or Liquor and Market, differentiate from which side of the store things are being purchased from?

[66:04] toh. I do not have an answer to that question. And then… just for my knowledge, how can you verify that she purchased alcohol from DDS? Nega. That was a conversation between the mother and the daughter. taha bayo. Okay, just moving forward, you mentioned a subsequent incident involving a vehicle being pulled over, in a close proximity to DDS.

[67:01] tiya. Yes. I'll do the home. Okay, and just because I did not catch it, how was that incident, how was DDS involved with that incident? lovemosa. The individuals had been sitting in the parking lot. Officer Harper observed them sitting in the parking lot with the open container. thiyo. Okay, and… How did, how do you know that that container came from DDS? To, Madhira ko bhada DDS partane Io, madhi ko sari takamata.

[68:00] I would have to refer to Officer Harper's report. To confirm that information. an. But in your opinion, how do you believe, that implicates DDS? As the individuals were sitting in the parking lot, consuming, the buzzball was half Or had been consumed, had been opened, and… The driver was subsequently arrested for DUI. thiya. And for the record, how old was that individual that was arrested for the DUI? ka. Under 21, but I do not have his age without, again, pulling that report and having it here in front of me.

[69:05] masagina. We have, Thank you. No further questions. Antar nivada aurke penny sodna signal. Great, thank you. Are there any questions from the board? Hi, Chair Roberts, sorry to interrupt again. The prosecution actually gets to redirect the witness if she so chooses. Perfect, thank you. Attorney Keller, would you like to, cross, or redirect? Just very briefly, Chair Roberts, thank you. See? Officer Reck, based on your investigation, do you believe management at DDS had knowledge of the TikTok account owned by Jagot Nerula?

[70:06] taholata. Yes, I do. Malal Access Hub. Why? Kino? I think Investigator Graber will be able to speak to that more. Just based on his conversations. investigator, bring. Alright. But I have nothing further. Thank you, Officer Reck.

[71:01] Great, thank you. Any questions from the BLA? dosa. I'm not seeing any. Ms. Keller, would you like to call your next witness? Yes, thank you. I'd like to call Investigator Alex Graber. I believe he is an attendee. And… yes, in the Zoom room at this moment. Mati, I'm investigator Alex Grieval ng sahantu, or go protection darishi Kurupan. Promoting him to panelist right now. Okay. And, Mr. Graper, I'm gonna go ahead and swear you in. Okay. If you can please raise your hand.

[72:02] If you can please state your name, spell your name, and give your address, please. My name is Alex Graber, last name is spelled G-R-A-B as in boy, E-R. You want my work address? Whichever works for you, sir. Boulder Police Department, 1805 33rd Street, Boulder, Colorado. Great, thank you. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give in the matter before the beverage licensing Authority is true? Yes. Thank you. Ms. Keller, I'll give it back to you. Thank you, Ms. Riggs. Investigator Graber, where do you work? I work at the Boulder… Investigator Graiver, sir. Sorry, that's gonna take a moment to get used to. I work at the Boulder Police Department. kamel. And how long have you worked at the Boulder Police Department? I've been employed full-time for two and a half years.

[73:06] And what are your duties at the Boulder Police Department? Tapai kokam kikingo. I am a non-sworn investigator. I'm assigned to the Special Victims Unit of the Detective Bureau. kamar. Typically, I investigate cases that involve, financial crimes, but the role of the investigation specialist is just there to help, as needed. Normally with detectives, but it goes throughout the department. rahamza. And Investigator Graber, are you familiar with DDS Liquor and Food Mart?

[74:04] Mubai, kasa. I am. Match it too. And how are you familiar with them? Officer Reck came to me with this case, had asked me if I could assist by obtaining surveillance video from DDS, and that's how I became familiar with the store. melee chini ko. And to be clear, DDS Liquor and Food Mart is located in the City of Boulder, State of Colorado, correct? Details, food and liquor or Food Martini, Boulder for Radamatzah hi natin. Correct, 4481 Broadway, City and County of Boulder, State of Colorado.

[75:01] Boulder, Colorado maipersa. Right. And you testified that you assisted Officer Leah Reck in investigating DDS Liquor and Food Bar, correct? nata. That is correct. Can you tell the board about some of the investigative tasks you've completed? Specific to this case, I, traveled to the store location to speak with store staff to obtain surveillance video from dates about a week prior. kudihin.

[76:04] So I went there on October 10th, and we're seeking video from the 3rd or 4th of October, of this year. video har humidity fatin. And then, in addition to the surveillance video, I also watched, some of the referenced TikTok videos and attempted to make, IDs of the, of the, patrons. kari kati. So you mentioned looking for surveillance footage from October 3rd and 4th. Why those dates? Hi no bayo.

[77:01] Based on my recollection, those dates were identified on the TikTok videos from Jagat's TikTok profile. They were dated, on the video upload. libh. At the time, I don't know if a specific date was provided. Sometimes TikTok will say, like, 3 days ago, 4 days ago, 7 days ago, as opposed to providing an exact date, but we were looking for, right around, I think it was… I don't want to be mistaken, I think it was Homecoming, and I think it was that weekend. diko.

[78:02] When you say homecoming, was that homecoming for the high school? Correct, Boulder High School Homecoming. So, does DDS Liquor and Food Mart have surveillance cameras inside? DDS Liquor and Food Mart bitrate sangrahal. Yes, they… they did. I assume they still do. Were you successful in obtaining those videos from October 3rd and 4th? bayo. I was successful in obtaining the videos for the two… groups of, there was a group of young women and a group of young men. I was able to get surveillance video for those two… those two groups.

[79:13] Investigator Graber, I am going to show you what has been marked as Exhibit 5. Give me just a second. hostes. Right, are you able to view my screen? Yes. Sorry, I wasn't sure if that needed to be interpreted. Okay. I don't… Alright. Investigator Graber, just from this still image, do you recognize Exhibit 5? I do, it's, it's a, I think it's pronounced YZ. Surveillance camera footage from the, Cash register area of the liquor side of the, of the store.

[80:03] chitro hoyo. How do you know? Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead. I'm sorry, and I believe this is the footage that's going to be for the group of five boys. And to your knowledge, has this video been altered or manipulated in any way? No, to my knowledge, it has not been manipulated. At this time, we're going to move for admission of Exhibit 5. Han So.

[81:07] No objection from licensees. Chair Roberts, I believe you have to rule on the admissibility of this exhibit. I'm sorry. We're gonna move for admission of Exhibit 5. Please admit the exhibit. Thank you, and we're gonna ask for permission to publish as well. Yes, please publish. Thank you. Wait, are you able to see my screen? Investigator Graber? Yes. Alright, great. I'm ready. Oh, you ready? Perfect.

[82:07] No. I mean, yeah… I mean, yeah, sure. Okay, 49? Thank you. Thank you, brother. You all together, or… No, separately. Imagine. Or regular. Yeah, he's fine. I'm a regular, I don't need much. I didn't injure, I'm a regular son. Alright, the shot was covered on. Thank you, Sharon. Yeah, I guess.

[83:03] Yeah, yeah. That's the problem. Had to keep it clean, yeah? water. Gotta change, gotta change. We make TikTok? Thank you. Thank you, brother. Thank you, have a good one. Why? Great. Investigator Graber, can you describe the video we've just seen to the BLA? That was surveillance video from one of the surveillance cameras.

[84:04] Believe the date was October 4th. Just… 4, 8 p.m. 1upasa. It showed 5 boys who were later identified to be under the age of 21, and one of them, who I cannot, identify at this time, you could hear in the background saying, I'm a regular, I'm a regular, they don't need to card me. saha.

[85:04] And it appeared each of the, Boys, either purchased or were handling bottles of beer, possibly, Coronas and Dos Equis. dikinsa. And then I had identified those boys based on a TikTok video, from Jagat's profile that I believe It shows the boys dancing with the beer bottles. On the store… on, like, the food mart side of the, store. kinsa. So, just to be clear, Investigator Graber, every person who purchased alcohol in that video was identified as under 21, correct?

[86:05] koh. I do believe that is correct, yes. I did home. Investigator Graber, I am going to share my screen again and show you what has been marked as Exhibit 6. Great. Just from this still image, do you recognize Exhibit 6? baya. I do. It's the same camera as before, this is the day before. It's going to be, of the three, women. You could say, obiwi ka marah ho, rahipin augadiko, tinta mahilahar rugo. And when you say the day before, that would be October 3rd, 2025, correct? October 102?

[87:00] Yes, sorry about that. I did her. No worries. And to your knowledge, has this video been altered or manipulated in any way? Not to my knowledge. Madisonian. We're gonna move for admission of Exhibit 6. Admitted. Sorry, I think we have to see if opposing counsel has any objections. Oh, I'm sorry, any objections? No objections. Thank you. Please admit. Thank you, and permission to publish as well. Permission granted. Thank you. Coconut? Great. Investigator Graber, are you able to see my screen? Yes. Mia, we have, I can see the spreadsheet, the slideshow, but not the video.

[88:03] Oh, no. Wait, just a second, thank you for flagging that. Great. Perfect. Are you able to see it now? Investigator Graber? No, I cannot… I'm still on the slideshow, but my Zoom is also… Freezing. Can you hear me still? I can still hear you, let me try to close out of it and reshare. Coconut. Alright, how about now, Investigator Graber? It should be a still image of Exhibit 6, since the video isn't playing. Okay, yes, I believe I can see it now.

[89:01] Alright, wonderful. In your song. Yeah, I miss you. Like, literally after 2 hours. Yes! No, I literally thought they were earlier, remember? Yeah, yeah. Okay, Shira, this a car or a cash flow? I know that. Thank you. Can you make a kickoff before we leave? You should get out. Cool.

[90:07] Investigator Graebert, can you describe the video we've just seen for the BLA? mehunta. In this video, 3… women approached the counter to pay for, what appeared to be 3 drinks. Two of them looked like they may have been soft drinks, but there was a large pink bottle, in the back that I believe we identified during my interview, at the store, and afterwards as a pink Whitney vodka. kusa.

[91:07] And were you able… oh, go ahead. No, that was, there were several clips, that are in… my case, but I don't believe are going to be, here. Right, so just from this clip alone, were the individuals in that clip identified? Yes, they were. And when you say they were identified, were you able to get their birthdates? bayo. Ultimately, I was able to get their birthdates, yes. It's okay. And how old were these individuals? Kati bar saith. They were between the ages of 16 and 18,

[92:04] I don't have their full dates of births, at the moment. you know? But I do believe it was 20… 2007, 2008, and 2009, I think. These are actual days are not. And Investigator Graebert, did the individuals in this surveillance video appear to match the individuals in the TikTok video previously admitted as Exhibit 2? ekaim. Yes, they did. That was the video… the TikTok video I used to compare to the store surveillance video.

[93:03] Investigator Graber, based on your investigation, do you have concerns about DDS Liquor? bansa. Liquor law is not my area of expertise, but based on my interview. with the staff and the videos, I would be concerned that there is a history, of selling to underage patrons based on what we can see in the videos and based on, the conversation that I had in the store. kart nuho. When you talk about your interviews, can you tell the board what you learned from that portion of your investigation?

[94:05] a. Yes, I was in the store for a decent amount of time, I think it was about an hour and a half. Based on how the surveillance video was stored, I had a bit of time to speak with Staff in the store. pahi. I learned that, Jaugette had a, was known to be a TikToker. He took videos, of TikTok and TikTok dances while in the store. ray sau.

[95:05] He appeared from the surveillance video to be familiar, with the girl, named Kiara. You can hear that exclaimed. In the video. And you could hear one of the boys, also, Explain that he was a regular. munsa. During my conversations, I had asked about the carding, you know, the IDing process of the store. putiho. And, based on the conversation, the explanations was, even if the ID holder was known to be under 21, or if the ID looked to be, you know, under 21 or fake.

[96:14] that if the ID scanned, as in, you know, they checked it and it cleared, the store would sell, would sell alcohol to that ID holder. pata lagiyo. I don't want to, I may have been a little too general in that statement, because I do believe staff had said if they don't know the person at all, they might not sell to them, but we do know in this instance that these people had presented IDs that did scan. And those people were, in fact, under 21.

[97:00] bustan. But just to be clear, Investigator Creeper, in Exhibit 6, none of the 3 girls was asked for ID, is that correct? nada. Yes, I believe that's correct. I did hope. And in Exhibit 5, not all of the boys presented IDs, is that correct? nada. That is also correct. Hopefully, huh? Great. Thank you, Investigator Graber. I have no further questions for this witness. At www.

[98:04] Great, thank you so much. Cross-examination? Yes, please. Hey, Officer Gravel, how are you? of my life. I'm doing well, thank you. Just for the record, not an officer. Oh. What would be your official title? Kiho. I am an investigation specialist, is my title. Amalaji Investigation Specialist, whenever Vaninsa. My apologies. Matt is handsome. And… Were you a full participant in the investigation? nu. No, I wouldn't say I was a full… well, what do you mean by full participant?

[99:03] That you're familiar enough to the case to testify to it. rootsa. Yes. Tough. Okay, and In your investigation, did you find that any of the customers that were underage were using fake IDs or fraudulent IDs? kati. No, no, I can't speak to the validity or, you know, whether or not the IDs that were used were fake or real. grano. Would you describe, DDS is being cooperative in the investigation.

[100:01] tayo. to the extent of my part in the investigation, yes, they were cooperative, seemed very willing to provide the video I was there to collect. nubaya. Okay, I want to ask you a specific question to Exhibit 5. auntu. I just wanted to clear up a contradictory statement as you testified that you were able to identify all the boys except for the one who identified as a regular customer. Is that correct? i kahinanda.

[101:00] I was speaking to the voice. I don't know what, whose voice it was in the background saying that. I believe all of the males were identified, through investigation. kusan. And all the boys except one who identified as a regular presented IDs. kotyo. I would have to review the video again. I know not every single boy presented, an ID, but I do know that some were presented. i ha.

[102:02] Or, I should say it appears in the video that Saboard presented. i hai. Okay, and can you confirm that, One of the boys who failed to present identified himself as a regular. nu bayo. I believe that's the case, it was, the… I don't know how to describe it. He was wearing a blue button-down colored shirt, it appeared. I think he was the one crimp. regular. no chak. And just so I verify, you're not able to speak, or you're unfamiliar with, if the IDs presented were fake or fraudulent in any way?

[103:00] a. That's correct. I never saw any IDs, I can't, speak to their… Authenticity. Alright, now I'm just skipping to… Skipping to exhibit number 6… You mentioned that you were able to describe all the girls' ages, however, it seemed only one purchased alcohol, is that correct? Buzio. That's correct. It appears,

[104:01] the first girl, Kiara, it appears she made the actual purchase. kitin. From your observation, does it seem that Kiara was a regular? rakhin. Yes, correct. Maduro. Okay, and just so I can clear up, because you did throw out, a variety of ages, can you describe, or can you, elaborate to the age of Kiara? no hunsa. I believe of the group, I think she was the eldest. She's either 17 or 18. I believe she was born in 2007.

[105:02] Alright, and then you described that you had some concerns. Regarding it, and that you mentioned you've spoken to staff. Can you identify which staff member you spoke to? ja. Dinesh, Ro, and Jagette were all… Present, for portions or… The majority of my time at the store. And how many occasions do you speak with staff members from the store? bayo.

[106:04] I was in fairly constant communication with some member of the staff. Ro got there a little bit late, so I spoke with you know, Dinesh and, Jagat, briefly for the first 15 or 20 minutes I was there. katyo. I understood Roe to be the person who had access to the video, so I had to wait for him. He showed up at about 12.30. PM. thy ho. So, for the majority of the time, I spoke with him, as we sought, video. And then I might have asked, you know, a question, for example, about

[107:05] carting the boys, like, does anyone know who this boy was? And Roe may have asked, Dineshra Jagette who it was, for example, during the… during the interaction. kudiya. In your communication, with the staff members, was that communication in English? kotyo. Yes, it was. How's your hope? And do they… Ever, speak any other language in front of you?

[108:01] There may have been, Dinesh, I believe, made a phone call to Ro, That may have been in a different language. tiu. And would you consider, your… throughout your communication with staff members, then be strong, to have… Strong English grammar. numb haya. I believe we're effectively communicating, I don't know the extent of their… English grammar. Skills. kaiti. At any point, do they ever ask you to repeat yourself, or ask you to explain anything in a different way?

[109:00] bayo. Not to my recollection, I can't say, it didn't happen. But if they did, I would have been more than… Happy to repeat myself or ask a question a different way. hala. Alright, no further questions. Thank you. I mean, don't. Thank you. Redirect? No redirect, Chair Roberts. Any questions from the BLA? Prada. Not seeing any. Ms. Keller, do you want to proceed with your next witness?

[110:00] Yes, please. We'd like to call Jace Raymer. Give me just one moment while I get him promoted. And Jace, if you'll please turn on your video… there we are. And sir, I'm gonna go ahead and swear you in. I'll go. If you can please state and spell your name and give your address, please? Yes, Jace Reamer, last name R-E-M-E-R, address, 775 Kelmia Avenue. And do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give in the matter before the Beverage Licensing Authority is true? Yes, ma'am. Thank you.

[111:03] Alright, Jace. Thank you for being here tonight, you've been very patient. a nad. Jace, are you currently a student? i ho. And where are you a student? Boulder High School. And… What year were you born? 2008. Deja Rat. As of today's date, December 3rd, 2025, how old are you? I'm 17 years old. December 10, 2020. Before you answer, just give the interpreter just a moment to translate. Agree.

[112:00] Are you familiar with DDS Liquor and Food Mart? Tapade DDS liquor and food mat, kasa, china vai kasa. I am, yes. more gentle. And how are you familiar with that store? Kosar is in November? I've been there. Mah ka. Jace, have you ever purchased alcohol from DDS Liquor and Food Mart? nubai kusan. I have, yes. Mojito. And what types of alcohol have you purchased? kudos. Mostly beer, I'd say. Fries a stone beer. And approximately how many times have you purchased alcohol from DDS Liquor and Food Mart? kusa. I'd say about, 12 times. Lagwak Bharot City.

[113:03] Do you have a fraudulent ID? I don't know. It's okay. Tamaisangan nakali aid, China. I do not. Taylor. So whenever you've purchased beer or other alcohol at DDS Liquor and Food Mart, you've been able to do so without showing any form of ID? Harik chatti tapai DDS partar jatipane madera haru karit kartun sa bharata penny madhira, tapay lia af no padhse patrona dikhai kan harith kart na sukno bahi kasah ho. I used to have an ID, a fraudulent one, that I no longer have, so I have purchased with a fraudulent ID before, yes. i di China. Were you asked to show that ID every single time you bought alcohol?

[114:05] I was not, no. Banidina, too. So, just to be clear, you've been able to purchase alcohol with no form of ID. tiyo. Yes. Have you shopped at DDS Liquor and Food Mart with your friends before? kanubai kuso. Yes. 2. Have you personally witnessed any of your friends who are under 21 successfully purchase alcohol from DDS Liquor and Food Mart? sah.

[115:00] Yes. tough. Approximately how many times would you say? kho. I'd say about 5 times, 5 or 6 times. When you're with your friends, have they ever been asked to show any form of ID? band hintyo. They have before us. 1 and 2. Have you seen them successfully purchase alcohol without any form of ID? kota. Yes. Tuh. Does DDS Liquor and Food Mart have any sort of reputation among Boulder High School students? Dds kochang boulder, ucha mademik pita laibit kune penny kalkohi saansa.

[116:00] Yes. Tough. And what reputation is that? bannera Chininsa. sort of, A reputation of a place to… Get food as well as, alcohol for kids that are underage. hta. And when did you first hear about DDS Liquor and Food Mart as a place where you could buy alcohol underage? Umayya. Maybe a year or two ago. Nagwaki versus the stone already. And you're 17 now, that's correct? How?

[117:00] Okay. Are you familiar with TikTok? Yes. Tuh. Are you familiar with the TikTok videos on the account Jaget Nerula? katitza. Yeah. Ta. Did you see the TikToks before you bought alcohol at the store? katy ho. I think so, yes. And have you ever made a TikTok with Mr. Nerula? aka. I have, yes. Ta. Does the TikTok channel that Mr. Nerula has, does it have any sort of reputation in Boulder High School?

[118:00] Jun panni neurology sanga bahi ko TikTok saisko bare mat sai kehalke pahi chaan sa Boulder High School ma. Sort of. Kyoto Matah? Can you elaborate a little more on that? Yeah, I mean, it's… the reputation of it is just kind of a fun thing to do, is make a TikTok with him, put on a funny sound, and dance around a little bit. So it kind of has, like, a… A sort of a fun kind of thing to it. variekosa. Why have you chosen to buy alcohol at DDS Liquor and Food Mart versus any other liquor store in Boulder? nagaira.

[119:02] Because, like you said earlier, it does have the reputation of the ability for underage kids to buy alcohol there. say ini. So, is it fair to say you knew you'd be successful? ko. Yes. Oof. Thank you so much, Mr. Reamer. I have nothing further for this witness. Thank you. Cross? Hey, Jace, how are you? Costaso da Palai. Good, how are you? I'm good. I'm gonna ask you a couple questions, First would be, you mentioned earlier that you're no longer in possession of a fake ID, is that correct?

[120:01] hai na. Correct. 100 who? Why are you no longer in possession of that fake ID? I no longer have it. I got it taken. hai. And who took the ID? Costa love you. A place on the hill. Which the hill is, do you know where the hill is? CU Boulder, down… it's kind of like downtown Boulder. Downtown Boulder, Mayorath town. Kuti. Okay, and what age does fraudulent ID say you were? I do not remember. Malaya, China. Would you venture to say it was above 21? Ecos vandamati tu. Oh, yes, yes.

[121:00] to you. Okay, You mentioned earlier that, you used a fraudulent ID to purchase from DDS, but not on every occasion do they ask you for an ID. bayo. Yes. I did who? And how many times would you say you've purchased alcohol prior to them not asking you for ID? I would say it was more of, like, a vice versa thing, as maybe one time I would use it, and then another time they wouldn't ID me. So maybe once or twice before? Dang. iu. Would you say that you built up a rapport with the employees at DDS? ka.

[122:03] I wouldn't call it maybe a report, maybe, they've seen a familiar face a couple times, but I don't know if… That would be a report. Soksan. Understood, but they would be able to identify you. Maybe. Well, Cheyenne. Okay, and you testified that you witnessed your friends, purchase alcohol from DDS, is that correct? kahai. Correct. Alright? And in those times that they purchased alcohol, did you observe them using fraudulent IDs? Again, sometimes, yes, they would use fraudulent IDs, and other times, no. I don't think they were ID'd.

[123:03] hai. Okay. And to best of your recollection, the very first time that any of you guys bought liquor, were you guys asked to present IDs? I think we were, I'm not too sure. Okay. And to the best of your knowledge, did your friend's fraudulent IDs also describe them as being above 21? kothe yung. I would assume so, yeah. Chaitiola. Okay, now I just want to jump ahead to, the TikToks. Hanzu. How many TikToks would you say you were in?

[124:03] aka. From what I've seen, I think only one. Okay. And in your one experience, how'd that interaction go? Did you guys ask to do a TikTok with Jaget? Tapayer ko tu samlang nada kosto bayo, tapai hari affili jokad silhai TikTok banana una banira unrugan wa hai ko. We did, yes. How does it help? And who operated the camera? Thank you, take with you. I believe it was propped up. Dropped up the olash hide. And who do you believe, propped it up? I don't, I don't remember. Malayad vaina? Okay, could it, can you confirm if it was JAGET?

[125:00] Jakati. camera. Jagad jeli ahili rah nubhikera. I don't remember who propped it up. Would it be fair to say that, the reputation of the TikToks in the school, that kids would want to or sought out Jaga to make those TikToks. Ramahun sah. Yep. I'm tough. And was there any affiliation or bragging rights involved with, being able to be posted on a TikTok with Jaguette? bhai li. I wouldn't say so, no. the team. Okay. But just to confirm, it was you guys who asked Jaget to make a TikTok?

[126:08] Yeah. Yeah, it was. Alright, and my last question is, have you ever received any sort of citation involving alcohol? i sama. Not… I… I… I have… But I don't… like, not up to this… Not up to, like, this, this court date, or this, I forgot, I'm blanking on the word, but up to this, yeah, up to this year. taino. Alright, no further questions, Chase, thank you. Thank you. tenant. Thank you. Redirect?

[127:01] Just briefly, Jace, I know we were talking a little bit about the TikToks. That was you in the TikTok that was filmed on October 4th, 2025, correct? Correct, yeah. Hold on one second, I think our interpreter may have frozen, but I… I'm not sure. Can you hear me? Now I can hear you. You might just be frozen on my screen. We still had you, okay. Alright. I'm here. Okay, wonderful. And Jace, did you successfully purchase alcohol from DDS Liquor and Food on October 4th, 2025? bayo. I believe so, yes. Oh, Mighty God Thank you, I have nothing further. Amazing.

[128:02] Thank you. Any questions from the BLA? Member Carr, if you're speaking, you are muted. Thank you. I have one question for Jace. Hi, Juice. So my question for you is, were students… was it… Did students have to have an ID, typically, to buy alcohol, or was it… sort of common knowledge that folks go in there without an ID and also procure alcohol. I would say it was sort of a 50-50. Sometimes you could go in with no idea and it'd work, but other times, if you knew you had a… fraudulent ID, or… for some people over 21, you've realized it was gonna work, I think.

[129:05] Paintihu. Thank you, and I… actually, one follow-up question to that also. Was there any one specific person that had to be working the counter, or was it generally multiple people, or anyone could be working there, and they would typically sell to you? no unto. Yeah, I usually vary between 2-3 guys. That would work. it gonna buy into. Thank you. Sunnyvad.

[130:00] Hey Jace, I have a quick question for you. When you would be there with your fake IDs, did you see a scanner that. kaide. I believe there was a scanner, yeah. There was a scanner, I think. shy of the tee you're getting. And how did you know, you mentioned that. you knew a fake ID would work. How did you know a fake ID would work? hai. Yeah, so, from peop- like, previous people that I've knew of, or I know that went there. Mamanda pailagay kabaktia rhimalay bani kati. Great, thank you so much. later than you had. Any other questions from the BLA?

[131:00] Rupa se la keisodhun sah bihali batta. I'm not seeing any, but Ms. Keller, I noticed you came off mute. Oh, thank you, Chair Roberts. I have no further questions, I just wanted to be prepared to call our final witness. Oh, wonderful, thank you. Thank you so much, Jace. Thank you. You can go ahead and call your next witness. Oh, if I can interrupt for one quick moment, I apologize. I've been asked to ask the BLA if they would like to take a brief intermission. 5 to 10 minutes, or if we would like to wait until, Ms. Keller's last witness. Board members? I'm fine to, keep going, but happy to take a break if that is necessary. Of course, Junior. Keep going. Okay? Can I ask a question? Yes?

[132:00] About, expectations for the, length of this, I'm gonna reach a hard stop, about 10 of 8, and I know that's not so far away. I can leave and come back, I can absent myself, but that's a safety issue that's involved. Sure. We can continue, we still have a quorum, if you need to leave. If you need to leave, Mr. Crane. Let's see how things go, but… At 10 o'clock, I will have to leave. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, so we'll go ahead and proceed. Yeah. Thank you. Alright, then we'll call our last witness, Mr. William Weber, please. Mr. William Wheeler. Okay. He's being promoted to panelist right now.

[133:16] Miss… oh, there we go. Mr. Weber, if you see that request come across, please just go ahead and accept it to be promoted to panelist. Great. Thank you. I'm gonna go ahead and swear you in, please, sir. Thank you. If you will say and spell your name and give your address, please. William Weber, W-I-L-L-I-A-M, W-E-B-E-R.

[134:02] And my current address is 920 Locust Avenue, Boulder, Colorado. Thank you. And do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give in the matter before the Beverage Licensing Authority is true? I do. Great, thank you so much! Thank you for appearing, Will, and again, thank you so much for your patience this evening. Right. So, Will, are you currently a student? That may be dead here. Yes. Huh. And where are you a student? I have Barnumeta. Boulder High School. What year were you born? kara. 2008. There's a art. So, as of today's date, December 3rd, 2025, how old are you? On December 13, 2020.

[135:05] 17 years old. Satra. Well, are you familiar with DDS Liquor and Food Mart? Food Marts in Ungta. I am. 2. And how are you familiar with them? Cassidy? I live right down the street, and it's just a known store. kil. Have you ever purchased alcohol from DDS Liquor and Food Mart? ka. I have. So… And what types of alcohol have you purchased there? kara. Beer? Beer. And approximately how many times would you say you've purchased beer from DDS Liquor and Food Mart?

[136:08] Three times. thin. Oops, sorry. Three times. Pinsertip. Perfect. Well, do you have a fake ID? I do not. Taina. Did you have a fake ID at one point? a tio. No. Tainer. So, when you've been able to purchase beer at DBS Liquor and Food Mart, have you been asked to show any form of ID? 1 yearo. Nope. banana. Okay, so you've been able to purchase beer without showing anything.

[137:06] Yes. Huns at home. Have you shopped at DDS Liquor and Food Mart with your friends before? kosa. Yes. It's hot. And have you personally seen any of your friends who are also under 21 be able to purchase alcohol from DDS Liquor and Food Mart? kosa. Yes. So… Approximately how many times would you say? Three times. thin. And when you've seen your friends buy alcohol from DDS Liquor, have they been asked to show their ID?

[138:02] i katyota. Sometimes they have, sometimes they have not. I'm assuming when your friends do show ID, that would be some form of fraudulent ID, correct? neta ha. Yes. Huh. But you've seen some of them be able to buy alcohol without it. i kosa. Yes. on to the home. So, does DDS Liquor have any sort of reputation among Boulder High School students? ray kosa.

[139:01] Yes. Top. And what reputation is that? It's a place to buy alcohol. And when do you think you first heard, excuse me, about DDS Liquor as a place where you could buy alcohol underage? baya. I think… maybe this time last year. Lagwak, lagwak, Aguila bersa kayai, Samaya. So that would have been when you were 16, correct? atta. Correct. I did hope. Do you remember how you heard about it?

[140:01] I believe, just kind of word of mouth at school. Sweet. Are you familiar with TikTok? Amazon car, huh? Yes. Tough. And are you familiar with TikTok videos on the account Jaget Nerula? TikTok video haru ke baar Amazon. Yes. Tough. Did you see the TikToks before you bought alcohol at the store? kotyo. Yes. T. Have you ever made a TikTok with Mr. Nerula? aka ka. Yes. Tom. Sweet. Did you make a TikTok video with him on October 4th, 2025?

[141:03] bayo TikTok. Yes. goatee. And did you successfully purchase alcohol from DDS Liquor that same day, October 4th, 2025? Buya. I did not purchase alcohol on that day. karaina. What is the reputation of this TikTok channel among Boulder High School students? kostosa. I think it just became kind of something that you could relate to your friends with, that this happened, or you did that. kariya.

[142:04] Was it considered a cool thing to do, to take videos in DDSlicker? I would say it was considered cool, yes. On to the home. Great. Why have you chosen to buy beer at DDS Liquor versus a different liquor store in Boulder? kinabana nubayo. It was accessible, and I didn't get ID'd, so… Kinabanita. vira. Sweet. Thank you, Mr. Weber. I don't have any further questions.

[143:03] Thank you. United. Oh, one second, William. Any cross-examination? Yes, please. Hey, William, how are you? Good, how you doing? I'm doing good. I just wanted to touch base on a couple things that you mentioned. The first being, that you did not have to use fake ID, when purchasing alcohol. nubayo. Yes. I did hope. I'm sorry. Did he present any ID when you purchased alcohol from DS? aka. No. De Kaina.

[144:01] In those times, did you ever… were you with other people who did present fraudulent IDs? kati. You know, I couldn't tell ya, I think so. But I'm not 100% sure. Okay. I'm just curious, where do, people from Boulder High get their fraudulent IDs from? kahang nunsa. I don't know, I don't have one. Maha. Would you ever alter your… look, appearance, or present yourself as being of age when going to buy or purchase alcohol from DDS. bayera.

[145:08] No. Garina. And just to clear up one thing, you said that you first heard about, teenagers being able to access alcohol from DDS when you're 16. hai. Correct. Under the home. Did you purchase alcohol there when you were 16? bayo. I don't think so, no. Shadmilligorina. And how did you hear about it when you were 16? Word of mouth, like I said, it's just, A well-known spot.

[146:01] rake kotangul. On the three occasions, that you purchased alcohol, was there a particular employee, that you would try to purchase from? karn bayo. Nope. Helena. And you say that you were a participant in some of the TikToks? Anita baili TikTok meapane afusam blog na sup, nubaya hinda. In one. Iota. Can you describe the TikTok? It was… Some of my… comrades and I, Dancing. And you're… and just to reiterate, you did not purchase alcohol when you made the TikTok.

[147:07] I did not. Beautiful. Do you appear… do you or any of your comrades appear holding alcohol in this TikTok? katy. Yes. to you. Okay, just to be more specific, do you appear to be holding a call in this TikTok? TikTok video. Yes. T. And what did you do with that alcohol after you were done filming the TikTok? I believe I gave it back to my friend. Okay. Alright, and, did you and your comrades ask Jaget to make the TikTok? ho.

[148:03] Yep. Ho. And why did you ask him to make the TikTok? Like I said with Ms. Keller, just kind of was a reputation, fun thing to do. And did any one of you or your comrades handle Jaguette's phone when preparing the TikTok? ak. I do not think so. Malaysia, China. Okay, and have you ever been issued a citation involving alcohol before? aka. Nope. China. Alright, no further questions.

[149:03] Great. Thank you. in the meantime. Redirect? No redirect, thank you. Any questions from the authority? Yes, I have one. Hi, William. So, question for you. When you purchased alcohol, I believe you said it was 3 times there. Was it always with the same person, or was it different people who you were able to purchase from? Mansivata. It was with different people, or by myself. maikli. Sorry, so just to clarify, I mean, the person selling it to you at the store, was it always the same person, or was it, like, a different… You know, clerk.

[150:02] I believe it was a different clerk one of the times, and it was the same clerk twice. Thank you. Any other questions? Are they address now? I'm not seeing any. Okay, thank you so much, William. Thank you guys. Right, at this time, the city would rest, but reserve time for closing. Great. Then I will turn it over to the defense. Alright. Sorry about that.

[151:02] Yeah. So, first, I would like to call Dinesse, Dinesh, Shrez the… Shrez the, as a witness. My apologies. And Council, will there be anyone else speaking on this matter that you want to call? I can get everyone sworn in at once. Oh, yes, I would also like to have, Jagat, Neroli. Row? Shrezda? and Rojan Shrezdah. Okay, everyone is being… promoted, just one moment. I also have a… Okay. Let's see.

[152:07] Anarian? Is that someone that you wanted to call? No. And we're waiting for… Jaigette, if you can go ahead and accept the promote to panelist? Okay, great, thank you. So Denish, sir, if you don't mind, I'll go ahead and get you sworn in first. Dine se pailatapai sanga akra kanigauna. Okay. Great. If you could please say your name, spell your name, and give your address, please. address vanus. Namaste, everybody, and my name is Denise Keshtar. I'm leaving 4673-8 Initiate, Dolder, Colorado.

[153:03] Then it's restaurants, pelvania lah. My apologies. E-I-N-E-S-H-N-S. S-H-R-E-S-T-H-A slash. And if you could please raise your hand? Hato Tamunola? And do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give in the matter before the Beverage Licensing Authority is true? kanun, sir. Yes. Great, thank you. Danilad. And… Rohan? Sir? Oh, if you could unmute yourself, please, sir. If you could please say your name, first and last name, and if you could spell your name and give your address, please. address wanid nula.

[154:00] My name is, Rajan Shresta, R-O-J-A-N, last name is Shresta, S-H-R-E-S-T-H-A, and my address is 4673 18th Street, Boulder, Colorado, 80304. Thank you. If you could please raise your hand. I don't know that? And do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give in the matter before the Beverage Licensing Authority is true? Yes. That's what I did. Great. Thank you. Jagette, sir? Yes. If you could please say your name, first and last name, and spell it, and give your address, please. Can we go put another one? Jagat Nirola. J-O-G-A-T-N-I-R-A-U-L-A. Eris. Same address. the Dinest or Rosen Shay's time address.

[155:02] The same address as Dinesh and Rojan site, the same address I live in. Great. If you could please raise your hand? Dr. Tonula? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give before the Beverage Licensing Authority is true? no hun sah. Yes. Thank you. And Roe, please, sir. No, no. Only one day or two. Hi. Hello. Okay. If you could please spell, or excuse me, say your first and last name and spell both, please, and give an address? Yeah, my name is, Rose Shrest Restek, first name is R-O-E, last name is S-H-R-E-S-T-H-A,

[156:05] My address is 4673 18th Street, Boulder, Colorado, 80304. Thank you. And if you could please raise your hand? I don't know. And do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give in the matter before the Beverage Licensing Authority is true? Maybe. Great. Thank you. I believe that is everyone for Council Sworn In. My apologies for interrupting. Can you just, verify Jaguette's address? Sir, I believe it was the same address that he said that Denish… Lived out? Is that correct? So… Hey, New York. Yes, correct.

[157:00] And just to clarify, that's not the address he's at currently. How about I did. There might be some translation lost there. I'm at a different address right now. I'm at a different address right now, and unfortunately, I do not know the address of the place that I am right now. But I can ask a sister. Oh, okay, my amp, I'm not sure. Yes, I can say the address. Didi ko, karmabashtu? 1707. 1707. Yarmouth Avenue. your math avenue? Colorado. Yeah, 304. 8304? Yeah, at 0304. 0304, I'm sorry. Okay.

[158:02] Great. Thank you. Thank you all. Alright. I would like to call, Dinesh… Dinesh, to testify. And cover the mute regarding your time. quantitative. Hey, Dinesh, can you please, introduce yourself, as well as give a little bit of background about yourself and your association with DDS? rabani dino hala. Murdo. My name is Denise Rest. Monipal Ghara, say. There's no purchase was available. I… I've been here for 25 years.

[159:01] From Nepal, from Nepal Battle. I came from Nepal 25 years ago. American citizen, Baho. And I've been a U.S. citizen for 15 years now. And I… And I have always had, like, a small business, multiple businesses as well. But, certainly, say, China, Which, I do not have any of those right now. But… Business Liquor Store. And right now, I do have a small family-owned business, which is a liquor store. What's that idea? In North Salvo, my bus through. Boulder mein, North Boulder mein, Boston. And then, currently, I'm living at North Border.

[160:00] Alright, thank you. Just to jump right in, you've heard, some of the claims that have been brought through, the city's testimony. Wow. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Tapai le chai ini, oily sama pani, jotipani aru perulagge katsar nagar butter, bisko varima sabi kurakan yarisun nu bayo, Awesome, Nate. They've claimed that, fraudulent IDs were used to purchase alcohol, and that minors were able to obtain alcohol. ako sa ahi. Cool.

[161:00] Some of the things are correct, but some of the things are not. Now, can you please elaborate on what you believe is correct, and what you believe is not correct? tinuna. college teacher, right? Roxy. I'm the ideaoriko. We are, like, we used to give, like, alcohol to color skid by looking at the ID. problem na… bao. We do have an ID scanner, and then we did not have an idea that it would not detect fake ID that we knew when we got the ticket. yo… class, alcohol class liability.

[162:09] Fedict Banusa. alcohol class nita keri. While I was taking an alcohol class, sometimes. to all class matching, our regular AUNI, di kachai mein. And on the class that we're taking, it was told that if there is a regular customer who comes in a couple of times, we can, like, sell alcohol without looking at an ID. That's what we did, but we generally do not sell an alcohol without looking at an ID. Okay, and just to be… just to clarify, I understand that that was your understanding, but, is that still your understanding, to be the law?

[163:05] ki kissa. I literally select, you know, our mind, like, I let it have a. Oh my. etc. Not right now. Now that we know what should be done, no. And how did you come to properly understand? Sooner, our earlier… I figured it out, like, after we got the ticket, like, what we were doing that we shouldn't be doing, so that's how we came to know.

[164:01] Okay, and you mentioned earlier that you had a machine that, you were under the impression was able to catch fraudulent IDs by scanning. Do you still have the same equipment at the store? ki kitsa. team. answer. So we have… now we have a different scanner, and then the company gave us that scanner, and then we were under the impression that it would detect the fraudulent ID.

[165:01] tu pachi. And then after we got the ticket, we talked to the scanner company, the company that I was talking about, that the scanner would not scan fraudulent ID. program. And then the new scanner that we have got, it does detect fake, like, fraudulent ID, and then we have turned out, like, 4 or 5 fake IDs so far. Alright, and, when did you purchase the new system? Your ticket types are basically called as well. After we got this ticket. Alright, I like to share my screen to present, an exhibit.

[166:01] lagi. I lost. I believe I've sent a request to be able to share my screen. Yes, and just one moment, I need to make you a co-host also to be able to do that, so give me one moment, please. Okay, you should be able to now, sir. Okay.

[167:09] My apologies, let me… Sorry, let me try again. There we go. Alright, is this a, the receipt that's showing that's labeled Exhibit 1? Is… Can you tell me what this document is? aka. I… yeah, I'm good, I did my, of… local machine code.

[168:04] Recito? Canorko. by scanner code. So it's a receipt for the new scanner that we have got. And I'm just going to slowly scroll down. to page 2. Sorry, just to confirm, this is a clear and accurate representation of the new system that you guys have. kudhayo. Or talk. Correct.

[169:00] Yes, it costs us around, $4,000. Okay, and I would like to submit this as Exhibit 1. Hansu. fundamental investing. Does the city object? No objection. Finishing. Guna penyapatitaina. Exhibit 1 is submitted. Chair Roberts. Yes. There already is an Exhibit 1, so these will be alphabetical exhibits. A, B, C, D. Got it. My apologies for that. I will relabel them and resubmit them post-hearing, just so they're all labeled correctly. saha.

[170:06] Exhibit A is admitted. Okay. And my apologies, Dinesh, I have a couple more questions regarding Exhibit A, so let me pull it back up. tai. On top. Sure. Okay. Are you able to see Exhibit A again? baka. It is. Yes. Okay, and who from DDS purchased this machine? ko.

[171:05] My youngest son purchased it online, so he would be able to tell, like, who he purchased it from. Okay. And when you say your youngest son, can you identify who that son is? The vote. informed? Hello, John. Okay, thank you. Donovan. Cool. Okay, I would like to jump to, the TikToks, if that's okay. Taka. Honjo? Sure. Alright, when did you become aware of the TikTalks? leisan kari baya. over your last ticket buy to, to, to then… They travel, right? The day when I received my last… when I got my last ticket.

[172:04] Okay, and are you familiar with the TikToks? kusa. anomaly. I did not know about it before. Okay, but are you now aware I'm familiar with the TikToks? aka. So seconds up. Yes. Okay. And just to clarify, are these TikToks coming from a DDS account? Using TikTok auras hani, using DDS keysne account. nope. No. Now, where… what account are these TikToks coming from? hai.

[173:02] After I received my ticket, I discovered that it was filmed by one of my employees. Okay, and which employee was that? Nirola? Jagot Nirola? Okay. And does Jaguet still, work at DDS? are no more tedious. Nope. Oh, China. No. Okay, and… Did his departure from DDS have anything to do with the TikToks? I'll talk. Yes. Okay.

[174:01] Or is DDS taking any further actions to make sure that the actions as the TikToks or, you know, the sell of alcohol to minors, are to come to a stop. kosata a lile. Saute is kind of missing land. Yes, firstly, we got the scanner machine. Although, I'm related. 50… ID in return. Kativa Takuban Rubaya. What's asked, Manda? Munikolai? And then we are, beginning to check all the IDs, like, IDs of all the individual under 50. And our, our team, I mean, you manage…

[175:07] And now we're handing, like, handing over the new management to my youngest son, Rojan. Okay, and what went into the decision, to hand over management to Rojan? bayo. a podi. Public. Because we're not able to handle it really well, and we believe he would be able to handle this really well. And why do you believe Rojan would be able to handle this very well? keen al-Aksa. Right?

[176:00] Hudson, business particle, He has been here, he has studied business, like, he's a business student, so he has some knowledge, some experience, and then he's really strict on his rules and regulations, so that's why we thought he would be the good one to handle the management. And, will you still be involved with the management of DDS moving forward? runna. Moabo uno? No, I won't. Okay, currently, I believe the retail liquor store is in your name. Will that still be the case moving forward? kihunsa. What's good number. Rosenko? puzzle. I'm, like, handing over to Rojan as well, so it would be under his name moving forward.

[177:02] Okay. No further questions. Or do you give an impression I sold them to say no? Cross-examination? Alright, just very briefly, Chair Roberts. Good evening, I appreciate your patience with us this evening. noskar. I just want to clarify, it was your testimony tonight that your system has been able to catch fake IDs? Could you repeat that one more time for the interpretation? Yes. Was it your testimony that your system has caught fraudulent IDs? a hai.

[178:03] Oh. Correct. And can you refresh us? How many fake IDs has it caught? kahata. How about you, Amro? ami… So far, 5, and because our store has been closed for 15 days, like, I think if we wouldn't be closed for 15 days, I think we would call it, like, more, maybe 15, 20, but so far, 5. Okay, so you've caught 5 fraudulent IDs, but isn't it true that you haven't turned in a single fraudulent ID to the Boulder Police Department? nahu.

[179:00] China. Correct. Thank you, I have nothing further. aina. Redirect? Yes, Dinesh, a couple things. Can you just, one, clarify that it's your new system that you were able to Catch fake IDs? kointa. Oh. Correct. Okay. And, also, can you just clarify, as it's your understanding, as well as, learning from testimony from, the officers, that you have the option to either reject the fake ID and refuse service, or, turn in IDs to the state. inaug.

[180:06] All, correct. Okay. For those fake IDs, did you refuse service? na. I'm betting, hu. Correct. Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to tell the board members today? akh. This is my small business that I own, and, like, I'm almost 60, like, retiring soon. I know. And so far, like, I've been,

[181:00] It's like, you know, bearing all the expenses for my kids and my grandkids from this business. And that's also the reason I'm handing this over to my son, Rojan. Mistakely, Amelia, mistake gory mala. We may have done some… done some mistakes. Mah, blah. He's… Malay. Malay? And for the board member, I just want to say, for my life, for my family, I mean, I just want to apologize, and then maybe you guys could excuse me for the mistakes that I may have done. Funny. Moloting.

[182:23] And it's been, like, almost 15 days that I've not been able to sleep and not feeling, you know, really good, so if, the board member could at least, save me from this, I would be really thankful. Thank you so much. Thank you. Sure, no further questions. Thank you. Any questions from the board? Burma kasela keisonesa. Member Burns? Yes, I have a question, thank you. Hold on. I guess, why was the choice of not to turn in the fake IDs to the authorities after all that's gone on so far? I guess I'm just asking why… what your thought process was on not turning in those IDs.

[183:09] bayna. I thought we need to present that at the hearing, that's what my understanding was, that's why I did not, but I have an intention to turn that in after this. Thank you. The new ad. Any other questions? Aruke Suddeno. I do have a question. Mr. Stressva, is your son, Rohan, was he part of the business previously, or is he a new addition to the business?

[184:00] ahuba. fully management hai. I mean, he used to have a look at accounting and stuff like that sometimes, but he was not, like, fully managing it or, like, managing the store. Thank you. Then you're bad. Our previous witnesses mentioned that multiple clerks had sold to them. I'm sorry, go ahead, I'm sorry. So, previous witnesses said that multiple clerks had sold, alcohol to the minors.

[185:00] I'm curious where, who were the other clerks? I get here. Are there other clerks who have been held responsible? Sorry. It's okay, I'm so sorry for interrupting you. thy ho. aka. middle. Mrs. I mean, I do not have a lot of employee at my store, it's, like, me, my son Ro, and then Jagat that we talked about, and sometimes it would be my wife, but I do not have, like, a lot of employee at my store besides, like, those I mentioned.

[186:12] So, is it safe to say that Jaget was not the only one selling to the miners? So, this is the interpreter speaking, and I'm just gonna clarify the question one more time for him. ghana.

[187:02] Who knows? I do not think neither Jagad or, like, none of us have sold an alcohol to minors, like. Like that. Only… You're currently 2 hours from Akugeo. And then everyone who bought the alcohol, they have got the fake ID, and unfortunately, due to one scanner, which wouldn't detect a fake ID. This is where we happened to sell an alcohol to a minor, but it all happened with… because of the scanner not detecting a fake ID. Did you hear the previous witness who said he didn't have an ID? bhai.

[188:04] unit. I did. And it's still your testimony that nobody was served without running a fake ID through a scanner. Soy nada. iji. For the most, we would scan the IDs that they would present with us. As I mentioned earlier at the beginning, like, there are a couple times, if we know the faces, and if we know that they have been verified early on, then we would sell a couple times. We may have done that a couple times, but except for that, we have always scanned an ID.

[189:07] Okay. No further questions. Any other questions from the board? Prasnasa. Okay, thank you. So you know Donabad? Alright, I would next like to call Ro Shrezda. to testify. Can we have one up? Hey, bro, can you hear me? Yes, I… I know there's an echo. I think maybe… Can I just testify from my… my dad's? Because it's, like, echoing too much. Will the board allow that? Yeah, absolutely, whatever… To not have the echo, I don't have a problem with that.

[190:05] Yes, Ray, you can go and testify from your dad's. Okay. Okay, can you please, introduce yourself, and… tell the board what your role was at DDS. Hi, my name is Rose Shester. I was the manager… I mean, former manager of, DDS. Okay, and you said former manager. Are you no longer the manager of DDS? Yes, that's what we're kind of leaning towards, and my brother will be taken over as the new manager.

[191:02] Okay, did you ever work, the cash register? Sometimes when I… when my dad or uncle needed help. But most likely, I was not there at nighttime, but I was only there to manage things when I could in the daytime. Understood. And did you recognize either of the young men who testified earlier? Yes, I do recognize both of them. Did you recognize them to be regulars at DDS? One of them, yes. Are you able to identify which one? Jace. Okay. And you said you were familiar with William, as well.

[192:04] I… I don't know, I maybe saw him, but, you know, sometimes… we have so many customers, I don't really… Call him, but yes, I have, but I have seen him at the store, yes. Okay, and were you at the store whenever he purchased alcohol? No, I've never… No, I've never, like, sold to him. Okay. Whenever you check out any customers, do you scan IDs? Yes. I always scan. Okay, do you do any other further procedure to check IDs? Yes, I make sure I look at the ID, I ask something. from the ID, that's, like, the physical check. And yeah, I mean, anyone under 50, I always check IDs.

[193:03] I even check IDs of people over 50. It's my rule of thumb, yeah. And, were you aware of your dad's and… Your dad's misunderstanding of the law of not being required to check regulars' IDs? Yes, I, I myself, I myself, misunderstood the law a little bit. thinking, like, if we have already checked their ID, and we know them, like, a regular. We know them by faces, they've been there at the store before then, I thought. We didn't have to check ID. But, yeah, I guess, in law, anyone under 50 have to be rechecking on the ID every time. Okay, and, when… When was your knowledge of the law corrected? The day that my dad and my uncle got the ticket.

[194:01] Okay? And… How did you correct this? Knowledge. We've… We made this new policy of now, with the store, no ID, no check. with my brother coming in, and he bought… bought the fake ID scanner of, and then, yeah, now, currently, like. We didn't know that the… the old scanner on the cash register was… you know, scanning fake IDs, but… It wasn't, like, reading it to where it was, like, a fake ID. But now the new scanner we bought… Scans, and it tells us, like, and records everything as well. Like, when it was, recorded and, purchased… I mean, the fake ID was scanned and everything. Okay, earlier testimony, my apologies, let me…

[195:14] Earlier testimony from Investigator Grable, stated that, he had some concerns based off your misrepresentation of the law during his investigation. Do you remember this? Yes. Okay, can you elaborate on, what you believe you've misinterpreted? Well, no, I explained to him, you know. I communicated well with him about the videos that he wanted, and, you know, I told him that, like, you know, how we… how we are doing things. uncheck an ID, and this, we scan IDs, and all that.

[196:01] Okay, and he said he had some concerns, regarding, the way you were saying you were pra- you at DDS was practicing, your sale. Were you familiar with that? Yeah. Alright, and do you believe you represented how DDS was operating? Clearly. Yeah, I showed him all the cameras, I showed him everything, like. were… how the IDs, is… I told him about how all the IDs are scanning. We're… we're putting… we have put cameras and everywhere to, you know, sometimes, like, burglary happens. How we have night cameras, yeah, I mean, whatever, you know, the CD regulation and all that, we… we've done everything, communicated well what he asked for. Okay. Alright, no further questions.

[197:03] Ross? No, thank you, Chair Roberts. Thank you. Any questions from the board? None. Alright, I'll next like to call. I did have one question. Mr. Stressva, when was the last time that you went through, like, TIPS training, or responsible alcohol training? I believe it was this year, earlier, in, like, February? And do they… Teach, you about karting during that training? Yeah. Okay. And do you recall what they taught you? Like, about ages and who should be carded?

[198:04] Yeah, I mean, under 50 should be carded, you know, but like I said, I misunderstood on the law, like, about… You know, someone regular customer, who you know for sure that's 21 or over. I thought we didn't have to, but… A law of under 50 have to be out. Got it. And what about, from the previous testimony that we heard, that an individual was able to come in there and purchase alcohol without ever showing ID. In fact, he had never had a… fraudulent ID. Can you repeat that question again, sorry. Yeah, so… let me, yeah, rephrase. We heard from, you know, a previous individual that they were able to go in there and purchase alcohol without ever having a fraudulent ID, so… Is it… I guess then you weren't checking IDs for people, even if you would… they didn't have ID, you just were allowing people to purchase alcohol from time to time?

[199:07] Yeah, I mean, the one kid, that, you know, said. I don't think that's true. We've done our best to… anytime I've even, as a manager, I've always told my dad and my uncle, when you see someone first time, you have to check the ID. There's no question on that, and I… Don't wanna, like, speak for him, but… You know, I've never seen him, or I've never even seen him on any of the TikToks. You know, he mentioned that he was in one of the TikToks, but I've never seen on… like, you know, during this time of, you know, us kind of going over the TikTok video and investigating, too, I don't think we have seen him in the TikTok. Thank you.

[200:00] Okay, thank you. Alright, I would like to call Jaget Nurula to testify. How's your room? Sure. Hey, Jagad, how are you? Cosas ada paila y. Hello, TikTok. I'm doing good. Can you please introduce yourself, and as well as describe, your relationship to DDS. nasta. Nomas de sabelle. Namaste everyone. I come from a tiny village from the Mount Everest, from the eastern part of Nepal.

[201:00] And I know Dineshar from… from Nepal, like, I've been knowing him from Nepal. kamshik hai. When I came here, I get connected with him, and for, like, 5-6 months, I did volunteer at his store to learn to work. And then I started working at ADS. Okay, you said you're from Nepal, how long have you been, in America for? Like, 2 years, 5-6 months, so 2 and a half years. Okay. And you said you were employed by DDS?

[202:00] nada. Boom. Correct. Are you still employed by DTS? gummet. Kualimalay Kamara Saina. No, I'm not working right now. Okay, and what led to your termination from DDS? na bayo. upload walk with you, about… uparan. So, when they got the ticket, and then a part of it also came from the TikTok videos that I uploaded, I did not have an idea that because of the TikTok video, I had to resign or, like, get off the work, so that's what led to me not working at EDS right now.

[203:01] Okay, during your employment at DDS, did you take, the proper training? For the… to be able to sell alcohol. training arawuli nubaya. So, malariah. I did. Just going to… Just following up on that, was it also your understanding that you were not required to, sell to regular customers? tapai lipini.

[204:09] That's what my understanding was as well, and then I initially, like, started checking all their IDs, like, everyone who would come to buy alcohol, and they would actually tell me that they are coming from CU, from the university, and then, like, I would look at their ID, I would sell them, and then, as per my understanding, that's what my understanding was as well, that You know, if the person has been verified before, then you can sell it without having to look the ID, so that's what my understanding, and that's what I did too. But initially, I always started with checking IDs, and then they actually told me that they came from CU. And just to be clear, did you ever rely on another employee verifying that someone is regular? As knowledge that they were a regular and they had been verified?

[205:00] keti ho. Yes, I would. I would trust them. Okay, is it your current understanding, that you do not have to check regular IDs? sa mani. No. Now that I have learned it, no, I… my understanding is that you need to check every single individual's ID under 50. Okay. Alright, I would like to switch gears over to the TikToks you posted. melah.

[206:00] One time. Sure. Alright, and, just for my knowledge, how… active were you on TikTok? melei. I was actually not really active on the TikTok, but then, when they start, like, when they asked me, like, do you have a TikTok account? That's why when I said, yes, I do. Okay, and have you ever, asked customers to make a TikTok? affiliate bonobakoto. nihan.

[207:05] No, I never approached anyone to, like, film a TikTok, they would ask me to do so, and I don't know why, but, like, they would wait for me for an hour, like, for half an hour, 45 minutes, you know, like, even sometimes I would say, I'm busy right now, let's film it some another day, and they would still wait for me, and just, like, not to hurt them, I would film a TikTok with them, but I never approached myself. And typically, whenever they asked and you were to film these TikToks, was any of the choreography… choreography, or song choice, or labeling, you're doing? girth hai.

[208:01] lehte. No, I never did that. They would choose a song, they would decide what to do on the video, they would film it, they would decide what to write on the title, like, who to tag and stuff like that. So, everything that they would do, none of them is my idea or, like, on my controls. Okay, And would you hand your phone over? You've mentioned that they upload, the videos, but it's through your account. How does that work? iyo. Boom. Correct. panah outiho.

[209:00] Yes, they would take my phone, they would film, like, they would upload, they would decide who to tag, and then, you know, even filming, it would be among the friend group. Okay, and were you aware of the comments being left on the TikToks? kari tiota. hinapane. No, I was not, because I never looked at it, that's one thing. The other thing is, like, I can speak somehow, but reading-wise, I can't do so, so, no. You mentioned that you are 2 years now in the United States, how well do you believe your English, how well do you believe you speak English? Hopefully that doesn't. laksa.

[210:07] guti. I mean, I do speak and understand, and that's mostly because, like, I used to be a tourist slash trekking guide back in Nepal, so I used to go trek with the tourists and stuff like that, so that's how I learned some of it, so I do speak and understand. Okay. Is your TikTok still, is your personal TikTok still public-facing? kikisa. akisimko… nahala.

[211:03] I have removed all my TikTok handles, like, I do not have a TikTok, and I did that when I figured out the understanding of, like, my videos are disrupting the message that's been, like, sent out to the society, so ever since then, I deleted my handle, and I don't think I would ever create an account. Alright, is there anything else you'd like to tell the board? banner mansa. More like my day game, mans, huh? wala. And the thing that I want to say to a board is I…

[212:01] unknowingly made a mistake, and then, again, I did not, intend it to, like, or, like, reach out to film a TikTok post, or had an intention to film a TikTok and post. Normally, they would ask me, and just, like, not to hurt them, I would film, and then they would post and stuff like that, so I really apologize for the mistake that happened unknowingly. ID sa hai. And one other thing that I also wanted to add is, like, every single individual that I have sold alcohol to, they all do have an ID, and all of their ID represents is of, like, 21, 22, 23, like, 21 or above. So every single individual that I have sold an ID, alcohol to, I have always checked an ID, and they do have an ID.

[213:09] No further questions. Thank you. Ross? Just a couple questions. One sec. Mr. Narula, did you just testify that every customer you've sold alcohol to, you've always checked their ID? Neurology, tapay li ke bakarban meh, you know? Tapai hari bek tilay zuzuslai bhi, tapai lei banana di rabidosa, ti sapai koce aid kozhu bangarban nubaya hai. Oh, malin… muchorcio. So yeah, I mean, I have checked, all the IDs until that I recognize them. Like, as I mentioned earlier, like, there are times when I recognize the person that's been verified early on. That's the only time I've not checked an ID, but apart from that, yes, I have checked ID for every single individual.

[214:12] Okay, so about when would you say… was there a specific date where you stopped regularly checking, or did it depend on the person? Banneho. Estoy, huh? Not equal. Like, once I have checked their ID, and once I've confirmed that this is this individual, and it's only after that, I would not check the ID. Was it important to you to build a good relationship with your customers? Tabai legi tape gokhrah hare sanghar ramdusamanda banana se lakh ya.

[215:02] Yuta, malai. That's what I think the whole time, like, all the time that you need to have really good relationship with your customers. So, was your testimony today… that these individuals asked you to film these TikToks, correct? aka inadak. Yes, they would ask for me, and just… only to not to hurt them, I would… I would do so. Okay, and you didn't believe you could say no? Why now? Adi kanta, aqui na.

[216:06] I mean, they would wait for, like, half an hour, 35 minutes, just to follow my TikTok with me, and just seeing that, I just didn't want it to, like, hurt them, or, like, to… I couldn't say no. Could you also not say no when someone who didn't bring an ID tried to purchase alcohol? bahayna. Talking, but it must let you know. thi ho.

[217:00] I did, I mean, I did not, like, I did say no to selling alcohol to someone who did not have an ID. That I did, and then, like, some people would just come to film a TikTok, like, their intention wouldn't be, like, buying an alcohol, like, they would start filming, they'd start dancing, and then just start picking up a bottle that they would hold and dance on with, but then they would not buy a ticket with them, and that's what I thought, like, maybe that's not something wrong. Did you ever refuse service to more than one individual when you worked at DDS? legit DDS ma ka menga dahari seinamna, eksana baik, auru dih re laipane Mabesh dina, min lahinai Sari Dina van dera banner no bay keto. Oh, to God, I gotta take it. Yes. Budgeting. How many would you say?

[218:09] I mean, a lot of people, like, you know, some people would like to start yelling at me, saying that I have an ID, but they would look really, really young, so I would say, no, I can't sell it to you right now. So, I've not sold it to many people. Did those incidents concern you? lakhtu. Gintethylactic. Yes, sir. kara aayo. This is the sum of money, too.

[219:00] Yeah, I would get concerned, but that, you know, like, the scanner that we had, the scanning at their ID, it would say they're, like, 21, 22, 23, and then even with some individual, I even asked them, like, why your pictures are not fear, like, it's not fear, and then they would just, like, yell at me, saying that you just go and ask wherever they would take a picture, not us, so that's what I've been answered as well. But it never concerned you enough to actually confiscate an ID, did it? lagi na. lager na. I mean, I did, but then I trusted on the scanner that we had, like, it would show that there are 21, 22, 23, so I thought, like, they have an ID, and that's when it's scanned, and it says there are, like, these A's, so I thought that's correct, so I trusted on that fact.

[220:12] And this discrepancy's never concerned you enough to report to law enforcement, is that correct? lagi, na. Unauga que cocaranle molecinta laser. No, because, like, looking at their ID that they would present, they would be the appropriate A's, so that's the factor which did not lead me to do so. Okay, I have nothing further. a malai. Thank you. Redirect? I never redirect. And questions from the BLA. I'm gonna jump in, because I'm gonna… I have… want to follow up with Ms. Keller there.

[221:06] Ms. Norella, you just said that, Although, sometimes they looked younger than 21, but you would scan it, and then it would say over 21. But in your alcohol policy, it specifically says that if an employee is un… looks to be under the age of 21, then you need to ask for a second ID. Did you ever ask for a second form of ID? I know they can take, you know? I know they can…

[222:06] Mahayana. I had no idea about that understanding, or, like, that you need to ask for a second form of ID. Okay, thank you. And just for everyone on the record, that is line 4 in the alcohol policy. Ms. Barnes? I'm sorry, yes, please. kun chaki.

[223:11] And now that I learned about it, if I get a chance to work in future at a liquor store, I would be really mindful about it. Thank you. Ms. Burns? Yeah, Mr. Norella, quick question for you. It was… you mentioned that rapport with your customers is very important, and we saw that in the video. Was a high school, Boulder High School, high school students ever mentioned in talking with them? You mentioned University of Colorado students, but they were coming… going to homecoming. Was Boulder High School mentioned with the conversations you had with these kids, these underage kids? university, kare.

[224:13] Boulder High School Bata Aku, sana, banamna school majan sub Manhaki kasailiki kudakaningore. No. No, no one mentioned to me about, like, coming from Boulder High. They would tell me that, or I would hear that they would… they are coming from CU Boulder, but I did not, like, no one told me anything about the Boulder High. Okay, thank you. That Nirvan. You're welcome. And… To follow up, Are you aware that people are under 21 who attend?

[225:01] the University of Colorado, I would say maybe most. Of the undergrad is under 21. a. I didn't think I did rational. I mean, yes, I do have that understanding, but just that that ID that they presented to me, that's what tricked me. That I trusted on their IDs. And, Ms. Norella, were you the only clerk? Or were there other people who worked at the counter as well? guru seh.

[226:04] Funny. a manager, Lebani, Kamgar nunto, Ani… you know? I mean… quite a tiny. I mean, we would be, like, as we mentioned earlier, like, four of us, like, my boss, ma'am, sometimes my manager, too. So, I mean, we wouldn't be, like, four at once, but, like, turn by turn, it would be, like, four of us. Thank you. Any other questions from the board? Okay. You may proceed with your next witness. I appreciate it. And just, for clarification, you mentioned that in their alcohol policy line 4, is it safe to say that all exhibits that have been submitted to the board have been reviewed?

[227:01] And have been accepted as exhibits? I wouldn't say that this is in the packet that was provided by your client ahead of time. Okay, but it has been reviewed by everyone. on this board. Wait, I would assume. Okay, thank you. I'd like to call, Rojan, Shreztha. Here, speaking. Hey Rojan, can you please introduce yourself and describe your relation to DDS? My name is Rojan Shresta, I've lived in Boulder my majority of my life, since 3rd grade, attended all the local schools here. I plan to retire here, and I have a little son, and obviously I want I have big pride for Boulder, because I am a director and also head coach of a local team from Boulder, which is the only indoor soccer team, and…

[228:06] obviously, I want the Boulder to be the best town in the world to live in, because my kid lives here as well, and then, follow-up question, tying to DDS? Yes, it's… it's more of a store for, it's a family store. My dad and my brother operates it. Time to time, when my brother asks me for help with the admin stuff, I go and help with that. And, or sometimes when my dad requests, but I have not really been involved with, DDS looking at the operations sides. I do give him advice here and there, when they do ask me, and, But I am familiar with the nature of the liquor business, because I used to own a restaurant, which had a liquor license. Not anymore. I don't own that restaurant, and then… I mean, I used to be a waiter, too, and gone through the tips training. When I was in college.

[229:02] And… yep. Nope. I'd like to share my screen. Real quick, Rojan, can you confirm that you can see the screen that's being shared? I can see the screen. Alright, and, are you familiar with what this, what the screen is displaying? Yeah. Can you please describe what the screen is displaying to the board? I mean, it's basically saying if you suspect somebody's under 50, it doesn't matter, doesn't matter, you have to check IDs. Okay, and can you just be a little bit more literal of what is being shared? Oh, oh, but this is… I mean, that's… that's what he says on the under 50, that's the main, sign is, but, this is the email back and forth between, Tom. When we asked, basically, clarification. After the investigation, we asked, basically when we… when there was the alcohol class after the investigation we did, I… the notion was that if you know somebody, and you've checked their IDs many times,

[230:17] basically, you don't… you can take a risk, checking ID… not checking IDs, and, and then we try to confirm that with Tom, the alcohol class instructor, and, basically, he says, you know, if you… basically, the question is, hey, hey Tom. if we check IDs… if we check IDs multiple times, and we know the customer, and we know they're 21, do we have to keep checking IDs? And he basically mentions that, if you for sure know that person is 21, you can take a risk. But you better be really sure, that's what Tom, replied. That's not what I'm saying, that's just what this exhibit, refers to.

[231:04] Alright. And, did you send this email? Yes, I did. I just, I was conducting, just when I was appointed manager, my dad, came to me saying, you need to step it up, you need to take over the, the, the, the business, and make sure it goes in, the right ways, and, first I just had to do a little internal investigation. Talk to anyone, talk to Tom, what's going on, to make sure, whatever happened in the past was bad, and make sure it doesn't happen again in the future, because If I'm stepping up in the board, my neck is on the line. Obviously, the board has entrusted us with the license, so… I'm not making any mistakes, so nothing… I mean, the buck stops with me, so I don't want to… so basically, I just had to do internal investigation of what's going on, and learning from the mistakes as well. Okay, and is there any particular reason why you reached out to Tom, regarding this issue?

[232:03] I reached out to Tom because, Tom was the one, that taught the alcohol course. Okay, and is that where, Dinesh, Jaget, and Roe, came to the understanding that they were not required? To check regulars' IDs. Yes. Okay. They misunderstood, that. To be precise. And… How quickly, after becoming aware of the situation did he reach out to Tom? I think instantly, within 2 days, I just… My dad was not sleeping well, and I mean, I'm not really… I'm known as the grandpa of the family because I'm very strict I work really hard, and I'm always trying to push the family members. And, basically, as soon as I knew, and my dad was, basically jumped in to help out and make sure everything is right. And, I think it was, I think, 2 days…

[233:09] after the day that my dad reached out, I think. I'm not fully sure, but it's around there. Okay, I like to… Enter this as Exhibit B. For the record? No objection. Yes, it's admitted. Okay. Rojan, you heard a question come from Chair Roberts, regarding, the DDS employee handbook earlier. Do you have any sort of hand in, making the… DDS handbook, employee handbook. Yes, I helped, basically add a couple new policies to make sure this, doesn't happen again.

[234:04] Okay. I'd like to share my screen. I'm sorry, is this… The DDS, employee handbook. Correct. Okay, and do you believe this handbook is up to date? I believe so. Alright, in your internal investigation, or in your revisement of it, Did you review it and believe that this is sufficient for the employees to follow? Yes. Alright. You heard testimony from Jaget that, he failed to follow the handbook. Have those… Has anything been significantly updated?

[235:01] That he wouldn't be aware of. I mean, now he should be aware of… Okay, and what kind of edits, did you make to the handbook? Well, I'll just add a couple more policies. I know how, I just see that the quality of fake ID has increased as well, and But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if the kid has a fake ID or not. It's our job to make sure. We have to be good enough to be on top of it to catch the fake IDs, and just little loopholes, so just, just things like, I make… at the end, I basically… there's a… I make the employee sign a contract going forward. And, that they understand that if they don't check IDs, I don't care if it's your girlfriend that comes in, right, and you know she's 30, they get ID. If you don't check your girlfriend's ID and sees 30, you get terminated. So we have no loopholes. It's no ID, no cell.

[236:06] That's one of the main ones, and some of the other things is also we have the new fake ID scanners, right? So, that has to… Everybody should be, utilizing that, especially if you see… if you think somebody is, if you look… that somebody looks, under 50. Okay. There's other operations sides as well that's not included in here, but in terms of what the employee has to do, is… it's in the handbook. Okay, and can you elaborate a little bit more to that? So the… The other, other couple thing is… Is, also, I don't remember on top of my head, but, basically the idea is, if you're… if you're… basically, if you're… if you're not sure, you should be reaching out to one of the managers. We should be having an assistant manager going forward, or me in there as going forward as well, so if you're not sure, you need to just get one of the managers involved as well.

[237:15] And going forward, I plan to give everybody the Bluetooth walkie-talkie, so you should be instant just checking the button, calling one of the managers on front. Alright, I'd like to submit this, DDS Policy, Safety and Handbook as Exhibit C. No objection. Alright, and just one more question, and due to the policy and the handbook, when did you make, when did you last make edits? I'm going to update this policy. We made it, made it before, we submitted it to, we sent that first email with, Exhibit 3, this handbook.

[238:02] Okay. But I'm asking, when did you last craft and edit this handbook? I don't recall. Was it? A couple days before, we sent the email with this, and then a couple days after, that I got, appointed as the general manager. Alright, thank you. So I'm sharing my screen. Okay, since… You, you testified earlier that you guys have updated the ID machines to be able to catch I guess more high-quality fraudulent IDs. Is that correct? Yes, so, So, doing an investigation, The officer told us it's scanning fake IDs, And that was brought to my attention as well, so I did some research. I actually ordered a ID scanner that was already shipped, and I did some more research, and I actually realized that's…

[239:08] actually not the best fake ID scanner. It does… it does catch some fake IDs, but it's not the best. So I just kept looking for… I wanted something that's the best, so this incident never happens again, so we catch the fake ID, so I found one, I talked to the sales rep, and it costed $3,800, and I tell… I need one, like, now, and got that fake ID scanner. And I do… I do plan to have two of those in the store. And the new operation policy is if one of the fake ID… if both… if there's no fake ID scanner, if both of those fake ID scanners are broken, the store will be closed until we get one or it's, fixed. Because I realize, how… that, you know, fake IDs are getting better, and it's an issue, and I have a kid, I don't want minors to… Dis… have… deal with fake IDs, not only that, a fake ID leads them to get alcohol, which is…

[240:03] dangerous to their, mental health, because their brain is developing. I also… I mean, I'm just pretending my kid is 18, you know? I don't want him to mess with fake IDs, because, I think Officer Retz mentioned that one of the… Kid was in one of the calls, he called to the parent that, that he was basically going to DDS with a fake ID, and the fake ID is a bigger problem. One, the alcohol. Two is that… The fake ID has, basically, barcodes and codes of some other IDs from other people, so that could be a felony for identity theft. And I think a lot of the kids are, don't know that. So, obviously at DDS, what happened in the past was absolutely terrible, unacceptable, but going forward, I'm doing everything in… I'm gonna do everything to make sure it won't happen again.

[241:01] Okay, thank you. Have you… Since you've, since the new IDE machine has arrived, were you guys able to use it? Yeah, I said… I, I mean, the liquor side is closed, but on the tobacco side, we caught, I think, 4 or 5 IDs already, and I think a lot of the… a lot of the miners, I mean, people with the fake IDs are now a little spooked already, but… We… we believe that. I mean, with two fake ID scanners, we should be one of the stores turning in the most fake IDs, To the law enforcement, just because I just know… I do know that other owners who have liquor stores, and they do not have, fake ID scanners that we do. Not… not… the one we have has TSA technology. That's the same technology that TSA uses,

[242:01] So, yeah, so we have utilized it on the… so, like, like, there was one, one, kid, who brought… came to bought cigarettes, and, my dad, actually, we've, instantly knew… he felt that that kid was under 21. He asked for the ID, ran it through the TakeID scanner, and said it was failed, and we just confiscated it. Okay, thank you. I'm gonna share my screen. Please let me know when you're able to view, my shared screen. Yep, I do that. Do you mind, share screen? Yep. Okay, please describe, do you recognize these images? Yeah, I do. What are they?

[243:00] Oh, there were kids with, fake IDs. Are these the fake out. Coming in, yeah, coming into… I think there was two, there was a… there was, like, 2-3 days where we were still open on the liquor side before, obviously the VLA came and started the suspension, so we caught two fake IDs then, but, all the other IDs we caught on the… the kids trying to buy tobacco. Okay, and Can you just verify that… I'm gonna screw it on very slowly. There's gonna be 4 IDs shown. Can you just verify that these were the IDs that were caught at DDS? Huh. Yes? Yes. Yes, yes. Yes.

[244:10] Okay, I'd like to submit, this as exhibit… D? No objection. Can be admitted. Okay, and my last question, Rojan, how does this… Is this what you kind of see at the, CAF register when you scan the ID? Yes. Okay, and this is of the new system, just to verify. Alright. But our operation will be a little bit different going forward to make… make sure that, that, you know, there's multiple checkpoints, and even if… even… the thing that scares me the most right now, because… is the… if the fake ID gets scanned, better, and if there… if there is one that's able to bypass this, but I don't think this… anything's gonna bypass this, and…

[245:09] the machines are getting better, better, better, too, so I'm always gonna be on the lookout for the best. I want the best at the store. I did not care… I did not even care about the price. I asked the sales rep, give me the best one. I need one that catches fake ID, so if a better one comes, we'll invest within that. No questions, Zach, I'm not even looking at the price. Unless it's, like, 300,000, you know, that's a little bit ridiculous, but… Thank you. Assuming, you know, machines tend to, you know, IDs get better, machines get better, machines get better, IDs, fake IDs get better, is there any subsequent or additional policies that would help prevent, fraudulent IDs from getting through? Yeah, so one of the policies I'm… we're gonna push for is making sure the store is only… only for 21-year-olds and above. Just, going away from the grocery sides where the kids come in. So, we'll take a hit on the loss on that, that's fine for me.

[246:13] Also, the other things is, like, we're not gonna be open at 8 AM, we'll start opening at 12pm. I don't think alcohol sales early that morning is… is good to the community, and so… basically, we're gonna have one person that's checking IDs the whole… his whole sole job is to just sit in the front, check IDs at the entrance. So, anybody, so, 21 and above is just checking IDs. And then the person in the cashier is gonna be the second checkpoint as well. His job is to make sure… only do checkouts, and if he suspects. then he has the right to ask for the, you know, the ID again. And maybe even the second ID. Like I said, everybody should be… have, like, a Bluetooth, so you should be able to reach out to management quick. And then we're gonna just install a different security system as well. The technology for AI, the cameras are a lot better, security cameras, the AI cameras.

[247:10] They actually helped us shoplift. Shoplifting is, obviously, you know in retail is big, so it actually lets you know right away if somebody's shoplifting. And I actually also want to dedicate a person's full-time job is to just look at the security cameras, you know, for what's going outside. If something is going outside, then we can let law enforcement know right away, so we actually decrease disturbance to the community, and also looking, you know, if… If the person in the front… his main job is to make sure the person in the front who checks IDs is checking IDs, because if he's not checking IDs, I'm sorry, but in this business, you will be terminated. Okay, thank you. Before I continue on, obviously you mentioned that you did an internal investigation,

[248:03] What was your reaction when you found out how the store was being run prior to becoming general manager and ultimately taking over the store? Honestly, I was not happy. I mean… I know that my dad's, whole life saving he put in this business, he's failed many, many times, and he's… the store just started making profit. It was running at a loss for a couple years, too, and I was not happy that this happened, because he jeopardy, you know, it risked a lot, and I'm also not happy that the… even though they had fake IDs, the kids… were able to get their hands on alcohol, because I have a kid who's going to grow up in Boulder, and the store needs to be an asset to the community, not in liability. And I felt, I felt ang… in some sense, initially, I was angry that it did occur, and it occurred from our store, because, you know, it's… we're… our family's a little bit… a little bit well-known, because we run soccer clubs, we have youth in that program, we tell them to be, responsible,

[249:12] you know, we're part of Trinity Lutheran Church as well, and even our pastor tells us, you know, you have to be… I can't remember exact words, but what the Bible is saying is, if you're 21 and over, you know, you can drink alcohol, but you just have to be careful that you can't be drunk. It has to be done responsibly. So… that… obviously, I was disappointed that it was not to our standards. And then our, not only our business reputation was hurt, but our family's reputation has been hurt, and it's been very, painful. That's why I am stepping in and being very aggressive, and making sure… just… being on the lookout for any loopholes, and for me, I even tell my employees, you know, it's… lose money for the business, I'll be understanding. You know, we'll find other ways to make money, we always… but always, it has to be done the legal way, because…

[250:13] You know, lose… if you lose money… lose for the money for the business, in some sense, I will be understanding, but you lose a strut of reputation for the business, and I will be ruthless. And I am forced to, because it takes… I mean, even my dad and us, even with the club, soccer club we run, we have a lot of youth and parents, and it took us 10, 15, 20 years to build this reputation, and in a sense, that was destroyed within 30 seconds to a minute, and it hurt me deeply. And right now, we are representing Boulder. DDS does sponsor the only indoor soccer team in Colorado, professional soccer, indoor soccer team in Colorado, and that's Boulder representing Boulder, and we do plan to, you know, help

[251:04] With, local, non-profits. in North Boulder, but that's just us wanting to be a positive to the community, and that reputation was severely damaged with this. And it's gonna take a long time to heal. Okay, thank you. You… to be candid, you seem to have a very different approach to what we heard from, our previous three testimonies. If I can just ask you, what is your, view on kind of your responsibility to handle fake IDs. You know, we've heard previous testimony that they kind of felt like it was somewhat excusable. It absolutely is not okay. Like I said, my kid and my niece is gonna be, one day a teen in North Boulder, and… And, you know, it's just…

[252:00] I think kids need to understand how dangerous fake IDs are, and not only that, they could be charged with a felony that could ruin their life, right? Felony and no jobs, and it's gonna be in their record for a long time for identity theft, that they don't understand that And also, they're selling information, their information, wherever they're getting these IDs, and not to mention the alcohol. Like, when they're young, they make… like, I've been a teenager before, everybody here has, and we, you know, as a teenager, makes dumb decisions, time to time, and need to do everything we can to protect minors. So… I mean, if anything, 100% against it. Okay. And I think we need, as a community, at the end of the day, you know, the city attorney, I mean, Officer Rich, I think she has kids as well. Most of us here have kids, and in the end of the day, we're in the same team, because we represent one community, and…

[253:00] we have the same end goal, that we want Boulder to be one of the best. It was ranked one of the best places to live for a long time, and that needs to continue. All right, thank you. Your father mentioned, as well as a couple of the other testimonies, that you'd be taking over. Can you just explain to the board what that means in terms of all the licensing that comes with, DDS? Yeah, so, me, I told my dad straight up, it's like, you… if you want me to take over, I need… general man… general manager, is not good enough, you know? It's… I can… we can, you know, work out a financial transaction, even though it's my dad, that, I need… I need to have control. The only way I have the most control is if I'm an owner, right? That's where the most control I'm gonna get. So, I talked to him about, I still need to talk to him, because depending on the business valuation and what's gonna happen is…

[254:04] Gonna depend on what happens tonight. And my… our plan is basically two phases. One phase is I'll come in as a 50% owner, right, where he will be the 50% owner, and that's when we will transfer all the… basically, that gives me control to make modifications and adjustments to the operations. And once everything is up and running, and because sometimes to make changes, I need… the owner's permission, you know? So if I'm there, I need his permission, and if he's there, I can do everything fast and more smoothly, and then the phase two would be, I would buy him out completely, where he would step off. Would your father remain in the business after you fully take over? No. Just because I don't… I have deep respect for him, and one of the hardest decisions for me was, I knew Jogat Nirola here and there, just, I used to come to the store to grab Topo Chico, the waters.

[255:03] electrolyte waters sometimes, so I had conversation with him, but I deeply respect my dad and Zaga Nirola, but I feel… we need to be up-to-date, in terms of just the technology and, like, and knowing the handbooks, and I just think… and I've also seen him, how stressed he was, this… I don't want this to happen to… He's in the retirement phase, so, man, Basically, the… that decision came to, Yeah, he won't be, part of it. Okay, and… Plus, I don't want to conflict with them. It's like, you know, my ideas needs to be implemented fully with no interruption, because… If my… like I said, my neck is on the line being here now. Okay. I'm not… I'm not… I don't wanna… I don't want this to happen again. I don't wanna have this…

[256:01] I want to have good conversations, like, how we did maybe good, and we were, like, the example of a good liquor store, but not as… and then on the negative side of things, on the positive side. Thank you, Rajan. Last thing I'd like to share with you, I'm gonna be sharing my screen. I know you've mentioned that your dad was having a hard time. Did you feel any sort of support from the community? Yeah, I did. So, as I jumped in, I, you know, we just… We started the… the petition… I think we had overwhelming. We didn't have enough time to get a lot of petitions, because we had to… we had to turn this in on time, but on those… Sorry for interrupting you. Just to clarify, are you describing the petition in my shared screen? Yes, yes. Okay, and what does this petition allude to? It's just… you know, we told him what happened, honestly, what happened, and we're gonna do… we're gonna do better, and making sure it doesn't happen again, in short summary, and outline some of the new things I am implementing, and new policies, like the fake ID scanner, and he said, no ID, no sale. Which, actually, I figured out that's some of the laws in other states.

[257:16] and just… yeah, we had over… I think we had overwhelming support, but, and I… I myself went knocking door-to-door in the 80304, zip codes, and most people were very happy, and they knew DDS. I did have… I think there was, like, 2 or 3 who did not drink alcohol. They were, who said, no, I don't… I don't want to be… have had anything to do with this, but besides that, everybody was very supportive. Alright, and how else was this petition circulated? It was circulated, basically, we had one petition in our store, so there's the grocery side, and then the liquor side. The liquor side is completely closed, but the grocery side was open, so…

[258:00] customers came, and signed there. We were buying groceries. And some actually came to buy liquor, but they realized it was… the liquor site is closed, and they were asking, hey, what's going on? What happened? We told them everything that happened, and how it would never happen in the future, and they were being supportive, so… So, yeah, that was… Huh? And just scrolling down, does this look like a true and accurate, Verification of the petition that was circulated? Yes. Alright, I'd like to, submit this exhibit as exhibit, and my apologies, I believe it's E. And I am going to object to admission of, at least the signature portion of this exhibit on two grounds. First, on hearsay grounds, the people signing this statement have adopted it as their own, and I'm not able to cross-examine them about what their knowledge of the allegations are in this case. I think that might have affected whether or not they chose to sign the petition. And number two, on the relevance grounds, I think…

[259:06] the… the signatory's determination of whether the employees are great or nice is not relevant to the BLA's determination of the issues that are… that are presented in the show cause. I would sustain that objection. Alright, and then I withdraw, I'll withdraw my exhibit. All right, Rojan, is there anything else you'd like to tell the board tonight? I would say that, what happened, should not have happened. We should have, higher standards, and it's given up, I would request the board to, let, DDS operate where we have a chance to be a business leader in the community. We want to set the example and standards to other liquor stores and businesses.

[260:07] And I'm gonna make sure to the board, I vow, that what happened in the past was not good, but I'm gonna make sure that no minors will ever get their hands on alcohol from DDS going forward. No further questions. Cross-examination? No, thank you, Chair Roberts. Any questions from the BLA? I have a question. I know it's getting late, but this is kind of, my thought, my thought process here. John, you mentioned that, your, your, your, bookish had a great reputation, it all changed within a minute. And I'm kind of confused about that statement, because you had 51 calls for… the store had 51 calls for service in the past year. There was multiple videos we saw of kids buying alcohol with alcohol.

[261:03] And I guess, what do you mean by when it all changed in one minute? So I guess… what did you mean by that, I guess? I'm a little confused by how it changed in one minute, because I don't see… I see many minutes of things happening, so… Yeah, no, basically, once the… once the ticket was there, once the ticket was there, and the store was closed, you know, we… that's when I really got involved, and for me, that was the breaking point. I know the… I think a lot of the… 51 calls. I'm not sure… I'm still confused by it a little bit, because I don't… I'm not sure if some of those calls were made by us, because we've… I think Ro… Ro mentioned… I talked to Ro about this, and Ro mentioned that… Even the cops were, had told him that, you know, you guys pay taxes, and that pays, me, so, you know, just… you guys feel… feel free to call me anytime, and we're here for you, and,

[262:03] You guys are kind of like the eyes, and we make, a lot of calls if we see any disturbance, if, you know, if we see something suspicious, or… and, We even have trespassed a lot of people, and there's even videos of, I think my dad rejecting people who seem intoxicated, and we had to call the police and trespass people as well. Thank you. So just to clarify, some of those calls for service may have been because there were, other people who were maybe even unrelated to your business who were on the property, or were doing things in the area around your business, and it just so happened that, you were the ones who called for service? I mean, talking to Ro, yes, we have made a lot of calls in the past, just because sometimes, the North Boulder area is a little bit weird. It's a special case than I think any other areas, because the homeless shelter is close there.

[263:08] And I've volunteered there, and most of the homeless people you interact with are very good people. But there are some bad actors who cause trouble. And we've witnessed that. I mean, living in North Boulder for 20-plus years, I have witnessed that, you know, how the North Boulder was pre and post, the homeless shelter, and I think we even submitted an exhibit that, you know, the disturbance has gone up since the homeless shelter was there, so sometimes. People come in saying, hey, call 911, and then we call 911, and we are the biggest… in that lot, we are the biggest store. It's kind of like King Soopers, almost, like GDS. a liquor and food mart, and it's… rather than the little… the other stores, we are the one to go to. And sometimes, when we're there, when we're absorbing, we see… we see things in the street, we call 911 right away.

[264:07] Thank you. Pivoting to another, topic, I'm curious what your timeframe is to complete the business transaction, of you moving to… well, perhaps you could just walk me through the timeline you're thinking of becoming 50% owner, but I'm really interested in when you become 100% owner of the business. I think we should be able to hopefully get it done by, January 1st, hopefully. Is that the 50% or the 100%? 100% line. So are you 50% owner currently? Well, that's… I'm not right now, but after this meeting, I will basically, depending on the consequence, we face from WLA, We'll decide that, but if the liquor store is up and running, you know, in the future, I should be at 50% owner tomorrow.

[265:04] And then I go through the paperwork and everything, which is… takes a lot of time, because you have to deal with a little bit multiple departments in a way. Great. And just to clarify, so then the… you would be transferring the license from your father to yourself? That would be your intention? Correct. During… you've spoken a lot about your mitigation and internal research. Have you reached out to Officer Reck and had a meeting with the Porter Police Department to try to get some assistance on what's going on, work with them on, hey, if they don't suspend or revoke this license, what do we do? How do we do this? Can we work together? Have you had any kind of communication with the Boulder Police Department in that way?

[266:04] I believe I sent her just a text. But I didn't really get a response from Officer Retz. I think she just said, who's this? I think that's all, that I got, but I can assure you that the video surveillance, like, even though we provided it in the past, and that was our video that you guys saw, that it'll be available to, all the officers going forward, right? We… we… if you… if I believe if we're doing the things Correctly, there is nothing to be scared of, and… the new cameras we're planning to install, the AI camera, it actually should give you data storage up to 30 days, so the officers should have better access to, in terms of memory, better quality, and we plan to install more cameras in the front and the cashier section as well. So if the officer, needs access to cameras in the future, outside the store, to solve whatever it is,

[267:09] I'll… instantly, she can have access. I'm not sure, maybe I… To answer your question, no, I did not reach out to the… Boulder, police station to go, farther. Do you think that, how do you think they could assist you? Think they could have assisted us Most likely, narrowing down the facts more, and. I meant in the future. What do you think that working relationship could look like? I mean, I feel we're in the same team. At the end of the day, we want to be both C1, CS kids, I have kids. we're both, one, positive for the community. I'm sure… I feel we're in the same team, and we have to,

[268:01] basically work together, and… and if she comes to the store, I can tell her to come and ask her, like, what are… do you see any loopholes, right, that I can fix? And maybe she can help us in that. Maybe she can keep us updated. Hey, there are, you know, maybe this quality fake IDs, or this is a new fake ID, the best scanner. They're up to date in things. That I'm not, so, just education or anything I'm missing that she can probably possibly help, and, we just work, together in a symbiotic relationship. So how come you haven't done that in the past 2 weeks? You know, that's a good question. I honestly have not done that. I did try to reach out to her, and… I didn't see a response. I texted her multiple times, and… You're right. And she didn't… the only thing she said was, who's this, and… I did… I did send them one more time. I gave her an update. We have a fake ID scanner, as well, and I sent a picture of the, you know, the fake ID we caught, and I just didn't have a response, so I…

[269:09] He didn't want to keep bombarding her with text, like, long paragraphs. But I think I should have reached out to the… if not her, then the other officers, potentially. Any other questions from the VLA? Who do you think should be held responsible? for this. Well… I think… At the end of the day, I mean… there are multiple, multiple parties, I would say it's… In the sense that, you know, the people who make the fake IDs. their one. Second… second is also… I mean, kids should not be using fake IDs, but…

[270:06] At the end of the day, we did… our store did give alcohol to the minors, so we do… you know, even though if they had fake IDs or not, in this business, you have to be good enough to even detect fake IDs, so… and in some sense, yeah, we have to bear the responsibility as well. If it were your child, what do you think should happen to the establishment that served alcohol to your kid? I think if I… if it was my child that… I would… I would make sure… I would make sure… I would be very disappointed in my child. I don't want to be a neglectful father. I want my kid to take full responsibility as… as well. if… it also depends if he has a fake ID or not. If he has a fake ID, then… I would make sure my son goes to the store, talks to the owners, apologizes for what he did. I hope the judge gives my son, maximum community hours and whatever he has to do, so he does not repeat that again, and mainly he learns from that.

[271:16] What if your son didn't have a fake ID, and an establishment served him? if my son did not have a fake ID, and then if establishment served him, I would be concerned. I would probably, contact law enforcement. Great. Any other questions from the board? I mean, I would go to the store as well and say, hey, my son didn't have a fake ID, why did this happen? You know, it's… I don't wanna… just… destroy you guys, but at the same time, like, why did this happen? And if it was overly out of control, then… I'm sure, there needs to be precautions.

[272:05] That's all it is. Great, thank you. Anything else? Okay. That's pretty Fabian, did you have any more… Presentations or witnesses? No, just a closing. I believe, the City Attorney will be entitled to go first. Yes. Okay? Ms. Keller, do you want to proceed with closing? Yes, Chair Roberts, thank you. And I believe I should be interpreting now, just wanted to clarify. Yes, thank you. Yeah, gotcha. Just wanted to make sure. Yes, no, thank you. I missed you. I'm a regular. That's what you heard high school students say to the clerk while they purchased alcohol from DDS Liquor and Food Mart without so much as being ID'd.

[273:05] high school ke batsarole. Officer Leah Reck, Investigator Alex Graber, Jace Raymer, and Will Weber have all testified today to violations of the law implicating DDS Liquor and Food Mart's liquor license. This is the interpreter speaking. For an accurate interpreter, would you please read short sentences for me? Yes, so sorry. No worries. Yes, Officer Leah Reck, Investigator Alex Graber, Jace Reamer, and Will We Webber have all testified today. Officer Aliyale change, that is Anna Leipane Invested Kit Garner Bayo, again, interpreter Spain, could you please repeat the three names for me?

[274:02] Yes, Investigator Alex Graebert, Jace Raymer, and Will Weber. Just remember lipini wahad li kurakanigo na bayo rang wahad lipini af no bayan dino bayo. Have all testified today to violations of the law. nubayu. Implicating DDS Liquor and Food Mart's liquor license. Dds Liquor and food markets and liquor license. Banbayo. Members of the board, let's go through the show cause together. Numbers 1 through 3 are allegations that on October 3rd, 2025. Number 8 tin semagade. October 10, 202 lagi kaharu perun.

[275:00] The licensee sold alcohol to individuals under 21. banhiko sau. You saw 3 girls dancing in a TikTok video in Exhibit 2. Deku ma yog. And then again on surveillance video, purchasing a pink bottle of vodka from DDS Liquor in Exhibit 6. kusah. They were not asked for any form of ID. ketina. Officer Reck and Investigator Graber testified to these individuals being under age 21. Officer Ray from Investigator Graber LeChain.

[276:05] They were high school girls. dahi. The city has proven allegations 1 through 3 by a preponderance of evidence. kasah. Numbers 4 through 8 are allegations that on October 4th, 2025. 202 auru parutin. The licensee sold alcohol to individuals under 21. Licensed Harukletsin, ekais persona munikana balik na balika harulai, semadira pitaran nugariko, manera bani ko sau. You saw boys in a TikTok video in Exhibit 1, and again on surveillance video purchasing alcohol. nu bayo.

[277:08] Specifically, beer bottles. Bissekari beer ka batal nur. Officer Reck and Investigator Graber testified to these individuals being under the age of 21. Officer Rick, row investigator Graber Lejay, isabhai Bektihur Jay, ekais persona. Again, these are high schoolers. Two of the boys presented fraudulent IDs. kati. But another boy said I'm a regular, and was not ID'd at all. The city has proven show cause items 4 through 8 by a preponderance of evidence. Pramada ruka adharma.

[278:07] The final violation alleged on the show cause is number 9, conduct of establishment. Ra number nao mahi, antimulangan bhai kota. Between October 1st, 2024 and October 31st, 2025. October 8 desert service, r October equities, vaninsa. This violation is how the licensee conducted the premises. kusa. Members of the board, I want you to use your common sense tonight. Huh. If you are a high school student looking to buy alcohol during your homecoming weekend.

[279:04] untio. Then you're not going to go somewhere that's known for being strict. inatyo. you are going to go to the place where either you won't be asked for ID, or your fake ID is going to work. netiya. You're going to go to the place where the clerk is making TikTok dance videos with your friends holding bottles of liquor. thi. That place is DDS Liquor and Food Mart. 200 DDS Liquor and Food Martel.

[280:03] You watch the video of the high school girls entering the liquor store and being on a first-name basis with the clerk, saying, I missed you. nu bayo. You watch the high school boys come in and boast, I'm a regular. tiho bannera. How many underage sales do you think have to happen to be on a first-name basis with the clerk? bhai kosh. To say you're a regular. dih.

[281:04] Testimony from Jace Raymer and Will Weber corroborates this. Just remember lei dino bay kebayan lipini jais laipromatit karsa. They have purchased alcohol underage themselves, and have watched their friends do the same. kasan. DDS Liquor either does not care about underage sales, or it is their business model to cater to underage individuals. Did you seekar yataismati tidhiri, sin tapekta gurday, umer napki kabektiharulay, maderakarit bikti garna. Atava unhirko, yapar ganitari kane yehogi, umer na poke ka bektiharulay, madhira bitch, no. I do think it's worth talking a little bit more about the TikTok videos you've seen. laksa.

[282:06] One aggravating factor you may consider is irresponsible advertising practices. i. Members of the BLA, these videos are advertising alcohol to underage individuals. haru kalaki. Both Jace Raymer and Will Weber testified to seeing the videos before they made a purchase at DDS. kusab.

[283:05] The main demographic of the videos are high schoolers, and the people commenting don't try to hide it. Mukhe is video kaya pracara akaru bani ko, high school pane bidyarti arun sa ro istai hamila kune penitari ka bata, no karna asaba lookau me so kinum. The word is out. DDS is the place to go if you're underage. kusa. You've heard DDS employees, and specifically their new manager, testify to improved policies in the future. nu bayo. Improved policies are great, but these policies are reactive, not proactive.

[284:01] diki lahina. Who knows how long underage sales had been going on at this establishment. hara. DDS had not turned in a single fraudulent ID prior to Officer Reck and Investigator Graber beginning their investigation. Officer Rick, Investigator Grayberle Afno, Anusandan Surugar no Bantapayla, DDST, utapani naokali paricheai ko saina. They still haven't submitted one. ain. DDS Liquor and Food Mart only made changes after they were caught.

[285:02] DDS food liquor, food mat lege, parihartan nuru. They talked about warning kids of the dangers of fake IDs. And holding fake ID makers accountable. harusan. But what about their own responsibility in this case? kitty. They had 51 calls for service from the Boulder Police Department in 13 months. af nih. Is this the kind of community member we want? Is this the way we want our resources used for our officers?

[286:03] i. These underage sales weren't an accident, or a mistake, or trickery. gai na. They were a pattern of disturbing actions of a licensee not caring about the rules. likinsa. Or intentionally breaking them to turn the easiest profit. naira. The city has proven the conduct of establishment violation by a preponderance of evidence.

[287:04] Tonight, the City has presented more than enough evidence to ask that the Board revoke DDS Liquor and Food Mart's license to sell alcohol. Soksom. The standard of proof in this matter is preponderance of the evidence. A preponderance of evidence means it is more likely than not. kosa. If you find that it is more likely than not that DDS Liquor and Food Mart has violated the law. bane.

[288:04] Then it is your duty to stop them from violating the law in the future by revoking their license. nita. Maybe they'll improve with new ownership, but maybe they won't. Una soccer, una le nostabo en casa, no ya por y burden really auxan, para no le penita soaksan. But today, we are lucky that no children in this community have been permanently harmed by their conduct. kushi sau. Let's not continue to take risks with our kids. Muno. Thank you.

[289:00] Then you go ahead. Thank you, Ms. Keller. Any of that? And Attorney Fabian? Evening board. While there's many parts of opposing counsel's closing statements that I found incorrect and wrong, many of which includes the grouping of many of the TikTokers, when there's only evidence of one or fewer of them purchasing alcohol. Mr. Canadians. Oh, sorry. Would you please go for shorter sentences? Perfect. I'll start over. Alright, evening board. There are many parts of opposing counsel's closing statements that I found wrong and inaccurate. suspahi ko sa.

[290:03] She asserts preponderance of evidence has been met by grouping in, with Some factual basis, along with, things that cannot be verified, like the calls to action. you know? As well, during their presentation, and their chief of, their chief presentation, they tried to also lump in two other interactions, that officers were called in for. that had real no affiliation with DDS. kathi.

[291:07] However, it has been evident that DDS could have done more to prevent sales to minors. bikeri no bar na. I asked for the Board to take into consideration the immediate mitigating actions that… Rojan and the new management took, once everything has come to light, or come to the attention of old management. banner zahan su.

[292:01] And whether DDS has taken substantial, meaningful, Verifiable steps to justify The mitigation of penalties that have been brought today. Under the new, management. tahan su. You heard from DDS employees of… that they also consider all these matters to be taken very seriously, and they understand the authority's role is not only to protect the law, but also for the well-being of the Boulder community. ko sa

[293:07] You've heard evidence and received documentation showing the depths of those changes which were presented by Rojan. nahira. As Rajan testified to, he has started the application process to transfer ownership of the business and transfer the liquor license into his name. agar di boda honee. DDS has also demonstrated that they certainly understand how bad the TikTok videos look, and certainly how they can be perceived. kusahab.

[294:09] But it's… however, it's important for the board to take into consideration that each of the minors, at some point, present themselves as 21. kasan. Or at least of age to be able to purchase alcohol. Umer. The TikToks were primarily on an employee's personal social media platform. kathi hai. Which were heavily dictated by Customers asking to make them for him, and also controlling, titles and, you know, the certain choreographies for those dances.

[295:04] salay ko di hintsa. that employee has been… Was immediately terminated from his position. ki. Additionally, under new management has already began a top-to-bottom overall of their internal policies. kusa. Including spending thousands of dollars updating equipment to ensure instances like this become a lot more rare and no longer will be happening. kinsah.

[296:11] In the short window, since they've updated their equipment and rearrange their internal policies. They've already seen real-time, immediate results. So, to Samay ma pani, uni hari af no Saman Arupari bhatan gari ko, Ra ni yam kaunaru parih bartan gori kaya adharma pani, uni hari di hari, mandarin diri, rambunathi zaherupani, dihi kabita garika san. And I believe this is a prime example of what the new management under Rojan Shreza will be looking… will look like. kinta. Right? And candidly, we're not coming in front of you asking to reinstate D&D's license absent of significant change. While we still believe it is important, to note that the employees, you know, had to deal with

[297:08] underage minors presenting fake IDs. I believe it's Rojan who very much understands that that's part of the duty with having a liquor license. na sukinsah. And as Rojan testified to, he's made the very difficult decision to overhaul the business, but during his internal investigation, he also had to come to the decision to remove his father from the business. kusah.

[298:10] It is important that, Rojan demonstrated that he understands that, you know, fake IDs is one thing, but, misunderstanding the law is intentionally why he has to depart with his father from the business. buhayko sau. It's decisions like that that I believe the board should feel confident Indeed, moving forward. dukkahuna sa baun sah. Given all that you've heard here today, including the consideration that DDD has already served a 14-day suspension.

[299:03] hai. We're not acting… we're not asking the board for instant, Instant, reversal of their suspension. agar agari kasi no. However, alternatively, we… Understand that you guys need additional proof that new management will be taking an effect. niro. And we ask that, the suspension remains in effect until Rojan is able to fully take over the business. sahandsaw.

[300:05] I rest. Etine Hill. Great, thank you so much. related to Nuban. Okay, then, at this time, We will close for deliberations, and we will be… First deciding… Counts 1 through 8, if… and then we will, for, Sail to a miner, and then we will… Deliberate on, conduct, misconduct of the business. it sau.

[301:05] I don't know how deliberation works with an interpreter. We will be discussing just amongst the board. That would be… Complicated. So, unfortunately, I've never done something like this before as well, so I don't know what would be the best way. Maybe you guys could summarize on that? I don't know. Well, maybe we can deliberate, and if a summary is required. Sure. With the interpretation, we can revisit that. Sure, so you don't want me to interpret, like, right away? Correct. I think it would be best for us. Damn. We're gonna have a closed. Sure. Discussion, not… Crap. Closed, because we're here, but… Shuh. Okay. legend. Thank you so much. Okay.

[302:00] That was a lot. Discussion? Yeah. There's a lot. So, you said the first thing we need to align on is if they, sold alcohol to a minor, correct? If the city proved its case. And… There were sales to minors. I mean… Maybe we don't need to deliberate that too much, I would make a motion that… The city proved the case that There were sales to minors. I second that. All those in favor say aye. Remember Robert's eye?

[303:00] Remember Byron, I? Remember, Carai. Member Hagerty, I… Okay. And then, we will… Then move on to, Deciding if the city approved its case for a, I want to make sure I get the wording. Correct. That… The conduct of the establishment was… Yeah. Yeah. Any comments on… This one is tougher for me, because, I mean, with… when it comes to selling to a minor, like, we had video evidence, we heard sworn testimony, we know that's a fact. They did sell to minors. But here, it's… it's a little bit more ambiguous because,

[304:12] You know, to… the… the only sort of contact that… conduct that I see, at least, is the… you know, the TikTok videos with the miners. And… I, you know, don't see that they permit rowdiness, or noise, or really any disturbances. you know, that's… that's sort of how I'm seeing it. Like, yes, I know there was a lot of… a lot of calls for service in the area, but I am cognizant of where it's located. I've, you know, heard from a lot of sources, I'm familiar with that area. I know there's a lot of calls for service just generally. Yeah, totally. But, I just… something that I remember Officer Rex saying is that there was actually 220 calls, and she only brought forward 52 calls that were directly related to this establishment. So, I took that as,

[305:09] the other… 180 calls were maybe more nuanced or more ambiguous, and that these 52 were more focused on the business, but that was my interpretation. But yes. Yeah, this… Yeah, Member Hagerty, I kinda… I'm gonna go the opposite direction, Chair Roberts. I, yeah, as maybe, as Member Carr mentioned, I think the calls, you know, whether it's the 50 or the 100 or whatever it might be, just knowing the location and kind of the… the neighborhood issues, I think, are really… that's, I think, really, that's what a lot of those calls are derived from. you know, I think really the issue here is that the, you know, serving the underage student, you know, the underage, the high schoolers, and if that constitutes

[306:08] You know, is that… is that the conduct of establishment? Does that, you know, constitute that? You know, permitted rowdiness, undue noise, disturbances, activity offenses, So, yeah, and I don't know if it fits that necessarily. So… I don't know. Kind of going back to what Member Carr said, I am leaning towards no on this one, just because I think the TikTok videos, while, you know. I understand it's, you know, putting out there in the community underage drinking and, the accessibility factor. I don't know if that constitutes The conduct of establishment being, you know, out of control, necessarily.

[307:02] Hmm, that's really interesting, because… I'm, like, I don't see what's wrong with the TikTok this whole time. I'm, like, not understanding all the energy put into this TikTok. I think it's a great way to promote your store. TikTok didn't make them serve alcohol to minors. But I see what you're saying. They are, idolizing their… They're making alcohol grandiose, like, they're really showing, like, alcohol. I didn't… maybe pick up on that, because it didn't feel like the focus of those TikTok videos for me, so I guess I'm a little bit. Right. Torn on that. Yeah, I have… predictions. So… Say that again? No, I was gonna say, my bigger concern is that it emphasizes alcohol with minors. I don't really see them emphasizing alcohol as a… as a challenge, or as an issue, really, if it's all of age adults, and everyone's consuming things responsibly, and, you know, showing that everyone having a good time, sure, that could be a fine, you know, way to promote the business. But when you're using high school students and

[308:14] without even checking IDs, like, it fails the eye test. Like, these folks don't look. Over the age of 18, right? They don't… they're not… they're not 21. I don't need an ID to even tell me that. But, you know, we do realize that they are under the age of 21. So anyway, that's my… was my concern with it. Yeah, I'm with you there, and I guess just… going… I think there's… there's kind of two issues at play, right? It's like the… the, the high schoolers, just this being the go-to spot for, you know, old Boulder High kids who want alcohol, and then this being this, like, out-of-control, like. you know,

[309:00] store, we're just… it's, a lot of bad, nefarious things are happening that's just out of control. So I think those are the two issues. So, I think we decided on the first one, and then it's really kind of the second one. You know, is that because of the high schoolers? you know, I would… I would get… venture no. Is it because of the proximity to where it is in the neighborhood? Probably, probably yes. You know, is it… So, I don't… I don't think the underage… You know, the high schoolers going there to get the booze is causing, necessarily, all those… you know, 911 calls. I think that's a result of probably something else. So I think it's kind of, you know, is… does one cause the other? Which, I think the answer is no. So… Yeah, that's where I'm kind of leaning on that last one, I guess.

[310:03] So I think what we need to… Decide if the conduct… if the city proved that the conduct of the establishment. is… Not safe for our community. Right. So, is the amount, the fact that, you know, it's an open-door policy for the, you know, the underage students, does that constitute, you know, does that make it, yeah, an unsafe establishment for the community? And what is that, yeah, what's the bar for that? So… Right. Yep. Yeah, to answer my own, yeah, answer that question, I, I don't know, I'm struggling… you know, hearing, you know, the mitigating factors, you know, it's kind of like, you know, very much reactive, right?

[311:01] Well, we don't a penalty at this phase. We're just deciding, did the city prove its case that the conduct of the establishment is a safety concern for our community? Yep, you're right, you're right. And… Yeah, I guess… I guess… I do think it is. It's definitely a safety concern. to promote… partying of underage to be known for. You're only known for something because you've allowed that reputation to happen. And… Yeah. Yeah, I think it was clear, you know, like. you know, the testimony from the high schoolers, you know, it was like, these TikToks were made, passed around school, it was kind of like, almost like a… you know, a joke, right? This is where you go to get your alcohol.

[312:04] like, and they're making videos of it, because it's… it's, like, laughable, right? So, with knowing that, is that… yeah, does that… does that put this, you know. the community… community in harm's way. And yeah, I'm… Chair Roberts, I'm maybe, yeah, maybe kind of agreeing with you, it's like, you know, this place will, you know, continue to do that, it's gonna put, you know. That's funny, because I was almost going to agree with you. I don't know, it's tough, because it's like, yeah, what is the line of. No, I'm pretty clear now. I think that, yeah… the… If the establishment hadn't conducted itself and glorified alcohol with teenagers, then… Would they be have the… would they have the reputation of that's where kids can go to get alcohol, and then would kids have gone there to get alcohol?

[313:01] Yeah, I'm with… I don't… it's tough, because I don't think… there was, like, they knowingly, like, oh, what we're doing is… that's what… you know, I think they were just, you know, almost… they were played in a lot of ways. You're nice. bows. kinda… with that, but… So, yeah. It won't be… more class. I wanted to get more clarity on, like, what this regulation actually says, because my concern is that I think we might be blurring the line, so I just looked up… it's 1CCR203-2 Reg47-900A, and it seems to really speak to how liquor license premises have to be, you know, conduct themselves in a decent, orderly, and respectable manner, and prohibit serving or allowing known habitual drunkards or visibly intoxicated persons to remain there, and prohibiting disorderly conduct, routiness, undue noise, and similar disturbances. And if that's what the city

[314:02] You know, was charging them with. Reading it just in plain language, that does not seem to meet. you know, that… that standard. I didn't hear a lot about… about that, that… Came specifically from this establishment. Like, the wrapper. behavior… Exactly. The undue noise, similar disturbances… Right. Right, they're not having huge parties that's, like, super loud into the night. Right, exactly. It's not like the police had to show up and break up a party of two dozen high schoolers who were, you know, drinking in the parking lot, and, you know, they had just gotten their alcohol, from the store, and the store was letting them sit on their property and drink, right? I think we did hear from Officer Reck, and perhaps one of the other investigators, that there was someone who was in the parking lot drinking, and then who fled the scene, but that… I don't… that doesn't meet that bar in my… my mind. I'd agree with that.

[315:01] Yeah, no, that's… that's super valid. Yeah. I just… I want to make sure if we're… if we are, you know. charging them with something, right, then… or if we're accepting that, and… It's the right… the right definition that we're working with here. Absolutely. I think with that, I'm going to make a motion that… to say that the city did not, Prove, with the preponderance of an evidence, that the conduct of the establishments, Met the bar. Needed to charge them with this violation. I'll second that motion. Okay. All those in favor say aye. Member Roberts, aye. Amber Burns, aye. Remember Carr, right? Member Haggerty eye. Yes, Roberto.

[316:01] Hi, I'm gonna ask that you… re… offer the motion member car, and the only thing that I'm going to ask you to do is identify the allegation. And then we're gonna go back to the beginning, because the allegations weren't numbered, When you voted the first time. So, Member Carr, if you want to make that motion again, and just identify which allegation by number. Sure. So, Mr. Member Carr, I will make a motion to say that the City did not prove that violation number 9, conduct of establishment, was… was violated, and I do not believe that they met the preponderance of evidence to prove this. Member Hagerty seconds the motion. All those in favor say aye. Member Roberts, aye. Mr. Burns, aye.

[317:01] Remember, car I? Member Hegarty, aye. Okay. Then, that leads us, there's something else, right, before we do that. Yeah, can you please do that for the 1-8? Oh, do that! Okay, sure. So, I would make a motion… That the city did prove beyond a reasonable doubt that 1 through… violations… no. Meh. Without preponderance of the evidence. The city met the preponderance of the evidence that allegations 1 through 8, were… Matt. Is there a second? In Picard. Why is that?

[318:01] All those in favor say aye. Member Roberts, aye. Remember Burn's Eye? member car, I… Remember Haggerty, I. Okay, so the city did prove its, By the preponderance of evidence that they did violate… And have, 1 through 8. Where sales and service to a minor. Okay. So now… I… Just want to make sure, Okay. it looks like the prosecution can put on matters of aggravation, and DDS can put on, can give us matters of mitigation.

[319:13] For the penalty phase. Is the city ready to proceed? I couldn't find the video button. Yes, the city is ready to proceed. Thank you. I just want to make sure our… interpreters. I'm here. Still on. I'm here. Wonderful, thank you. Give me just one second. Take your time. Looking at aggravating factors in this case, the city would like the Board to consider, first, prior offenses. manne sa.

[320:02] Hearing the testimony of the two high school boys today. bacharade. The board has heard that service to minors has been an ongoing problem at this establishment. i ko sa. This is the known establishment for high schoolers to purchase alcohol. kayo. These are also violations that have occurred outside of compliance checks. sah. Next, when we discuss lack of effective operational training programs. Rahamili aur gose hai, training seh, uchi tangalin no diko, atafa kamti di ko, banner patalog hai kaso.

[321:07] I want you to remember back to Mr. Nerula's testimony today. Huh? Mr. Nerula testified, that he received IDs that appeared To not be real. say inan. But he failed to abide by the store's own policy of asking for a second form of ID. na. All licensees are required to sign an affidavit. Acknowledging that it is their responsibility, and the responsibility of their agents.

[322:08] to comply with the provisions of the Liquor or Beer and Wine Code. Kune peni kalka madhira beer atava wine sama samuni ni ham lait savvanira. It should give the board concern. banho. that employees of DDS just learned that you have to ID everyone who appears to be under 50. Hanera. I also have concerns about police contacts and failure to cooperate with liquor enforcement. kusaw.

[323:01] They were cooperative with submitting surveillance video. katyo. However, no fake IDs have been turned in. na. And Mr. Shrestha gave conflicting testimony about whether he intended to reach out to Officer Reck. Bhayo. Or whether he had already done so. guruaya. I have spoken at length about irresponsible advertising policies as well. bulli saki kosub.

[324:02] Finally, I want to encourage the board to consider failure to accept responsibility for the violation. hand. The new manager of this establishment, Mr. Shrastha. Mr. Resta. Said that the first two parties to blame for sale to minors. bissei ma. are the kids who have these fake IDs, and the parties that make them. Mubai kusah.

[325:00] I have significant concern that updated policies were not adopted. tahin. Until they were actually caught, and law enforcement got involved. kitsa. Thank you. the new items. Thank you, Ms. Keller. Mr. Fabian? Thank you. The board, I believe DDS has implemented every major mitigating factor identified in BLA's penalty schedule. Your guidelines recognizes specific mitigation factors that justly reduce penalty, and DDS, at some stage, has met almost all of them.

[326:03] The first one being, the training programs. although they… were misinterpreting one of the laws. They took the mitigating factors into… or they took the… Fabian. You hadn't. The interpreter needs to… Oh, sorry. It's late, sorry. I guess. No worries. I'm sorry, you might have to start from the beginning. Oh, no worries, no worries. I believe DDS has implemented every major mitigating factor identified in BLA's penalty schedule. var namaha. The first being, being up to code with, the training programs required. kosa.

[327:05] And although they were somewhat responsible and very active in taking responsibility for misunderstanding. The laws and regulations. New management took immediate action in reaching out to, one, discover why that misunderstanding took place. dikinsa. But then he went for it and, updated the internal DDS's internal employee policy to reflect that misunderstandings no longer happen. Mubai ko sau.

[328:07] A part of that, and which was represented in, Rojan, Shrezda's, supporting mitigation letter that was submitted to the BLA Board. kitsa. Outlined a full retraining of, retaining staff. harami. An additional mandatory responsible vendor certification for all employees within 30 days. niem. Twice-monthly training refreshers, for the foreseeable future. Raharik may nama 2020. And a new training, record system.

[329:05] Which would be available for Authority's inspection. hunisah. The second thing I believe that, Rojan has shown that in his new management will be mitigated, is the update on the rent and policies. ko sau. Not only has he expressed that, he took the immediate action once he became aware, of it, of… The outstanding issues that's been, brought before the board. buhayo.

[330:00] But his actions reflected that, it was his feelings that the DDS should have already been acting in that manner. Bernupaya. It's, the updated policy, or the enforcement of the updated policy that required him to immediately, fire, Jaget. kotyu. Alright, and while I do believe that the family sympathize with Jaguette as you know, Jagat was just a good-hearted guy who was just trying to accommodate customers, not realizing the extent of what he was causing. tiyo.

[331:11] The new policies, surely strictly enforce that people who take the position of any sort of sale of alcohol Have to be a little bit more ready to take on that burden and responsibility. kusa. Additionally, as Rojan has alluded to, as well as what's updated in the internal policies, DDS has implemented a on… a manager on-duty requirement during peak hours. kusan.

[332:08] This isn't to ensure that, you know, Rojan has eyes and is able to help, or at least someone who else in a management position will be able to oversee things more thoroughly. Isma kita rusean lei afila ni rektar noi, atika kosi, rambusangan ni rikshan gur no kusan. Additionally, a dedicated employee monitoring security cameras. uninsa. As well as a one-strike termination policy for failure to check IDs. ID zaan sonogary ka bektihru laai, ek paltama kam batanikali nisah, banana kusah. The one-strike failure does not go towards, that also includes if people come through with fraudulent IDs.

[333:07] Alright, the next mitigating factor that they took on immediately was upgrading, spending thousands of dollars to upgrade their ID system. lia round baikosa. As Rojan alluded to, this new system, well, as Rojan alluded to, he actually purchased one and realized that they were kind of selling and peddling the same false claims That it was supposed to check IDs. Once he became aware of that, he returned it and got one that has, I believe he said, TSA ID verification scanner. i versa.

[334:11] The board had a chance to see the front-facing of the new ID scanner, the cash register ID verification prompts, which prevents sale, or which prevents any sales from going through of alcohol or anything that needs to be age-restricted. They first, it prevents any sort of sale without… or prevents any sort of scale, without scanning. kahunsa. The next mitigating factor, I believe, is there community involvement.

[335:07] they consistently cooperate with law enforcement when asked to do so. They provide a video voluntarily without any sort of warrant. bayo. As he testified to earlier, they've made several calls, You know, that resulted in calls to action, based on, you know, their observation of the community. kusah. They constantly interact and try to help, the homeless population around them without judgment. However, they are very much aware of the nuisance they cause, and they are diligent in keeping an eye out for everything going around in their area.

[336:08] un sah. Lastly, I would very much disagree with opposing counsel in terms of them response… Acceptance of their responsibility. u. Although English is not their first language. aha. So, I agree, they don't believe they expressed it. enough. kissa. Their actions on loan all alludes to them taking responsibility for their failure to prevent a sale to minors.

[337:18] And while Rojan listed two other people in that weird hypothetical, about who should be taking responsibility. kincha. He did say that it's ultimately the store's responsibility. At the end of the day. koti ho. Which is why, coupled with his action. kara. To remove his father. Afno Babalai, af no paper batani kanne.

[338:01] Was ultimately based on the fact that it's the father and it's the owner's responsibility of their agents and whoever is holding of the license to make sure that their agents are acting in accordance. kusa. Alright, and I believe in the very short time period that they were able to have… that Rogerman's been able to demonstrate his implements, which are still going to be, you know, I think, Figured out, in terms of seeing what works and what doesn't, and what additional needs to be added. bannera.

[339:03] they were able to catch IDs in real time. kusa. Just to clarify, fraudulent IDs in real time. Yes. And while opposing counsel and, The officers have stated that they have refused to return IDs. kani mate. My apologies, let me just rephrase that. And while they've all eluded and questioned why they haven't turned fraudulent IDs into the police. It's important to note that Officer Recht testified herself.

[340:01] Banda. That, by law, they either had two choices, which one was to refuse sale. and return ID. di nu. or confiscate the IDs and submit them into the local authorities. bumo. Given the measures Rezron has gone through. Darma. I very much doubt that he would… be reluctant to, turn over IDs to authority, if that is what the board's preference would be. aktaina.

[341:00] Alright. All in all, I think it would be in the board's best interest aka. Given their dedication to the community. Mahar ko, samadh Sango ko, samlak neta. Not to revoke Their liquor license. Instead, in addition to assuming responsibility. guru. It is their request that the boards, extends this suspension. bana. Until the liquor license and all other licensures. Resulting from the business. daina. have been fully transferred to Rojon. nahi sama.

[342:04] And that Rojan be given, the opportunity To set the new community standard. Garno. For how a compliant business should act. i. Alright, and that'll be all. Tatino. Thank you. Anybody? Great, thank you so much. Sorry, I think I was muted. At this time, we'll go ahead and close, for the board's deliberation of the penalty phase. kriya.

[343:08] Thank you. Okay. Well, anybody wanna… jump in. I've got a lot of… Notes. Sue. I'll just start. So I, you know, was comparing aggravating and mitigating circumstances. there's some aggravating things. Essentially, TLDR came out even, but there's disregard for policy, scanner that didn't seem to work. There were multiple clerks that sold alcohol. It doesn't seem like it was just Jaigette. We don't know who the others were, but… We heard testimony today saying multiple clerks sold out. To the miners. The…

[344:03] There are some other things there, like, that are sort of, mitigating. I apologize if I'm not super clear, because I'm… A little tired here, but the new owner, the new policy, I think the investment in some of the, some of the new scanners and things like that are really important, as well as the termination of the employee and community involvement, I think are also things we need to keep in mind. That's interesting, and you found those to be mitigating, firing the employee, and what community involvement did you find? Well, I found that they are major sponsors of the Boulder Indoor Soccer League. Yep, so they're involved in the community. I wrote down that I thought that they… weren't… I felt that their lack of community involvement was actually an aggravating factor, because they haven't reached out to a place like RAR, they haven't reached out to

[345:08] I don't know, Boulder High, to put on something about, like, okay, this is wrong. They haven't reached out and had meetings with our police officers. And I think a misconception is that our officers are there to find things wrong, when actually they're there to be their biggest support, because they just want safety to happen. So I… I do disagree a little bit there, but… That's… That's good. I really wanted to find more mitigating factors, and I'm just having trouble. We've seen a lot of really good training programs, and this is not one of them. I don't think this is a great alcohol policy. We've seen really good ones. I think that if it were to come before us as is, we would deliberate pretty hard on it. I think there's some things missing, majorly.

[346:03] There's a lot of blaming Jaget, but obviously he wasn't trained. And no one was supervising him. he was just kind of left… left out there, and I don't think that he should have necessarily been fired. I don't actually find that a mitigating… factor, because I feel sorry for him. He kind of is, like, getting thrown under the… like, getting… everyone's just pointing at him in TikTok, and, like, I think he was just, like, an employee who was probably drumming up the wrong business, but was, not trained, and no one was looking after him. Remember, car, I feel like I took over, and I did not mean to, if you were not done. Good. No, no, you… No, I'm listening. I just wanted to outline what I thought were aggravating and then mitigating circumstances, and then that's how I'll discuss the conversation. That's all.

[347:08] I don't think my hypothetical was weird. I thought it was a very true hypothetical that I thought Every parent should consider. So… I'm not really sure why that was thrown out there in, the mitigating factors from the defense. And I asked because I was curious. Felt… version… felt, and I felt it was… Important in helping me make a decision. I actually think that was a super… a super critical question to ask. I wish I had asked it. I thought it was a really good one. Thanksgiving. Thank you. Do you have to understand, kind of, the mindset, is someone going to take responsibility, or are they just, you know, because ultimately, if they have the privilege of, you know, maintaining this license or getting a license in the future, right, it's… how are they going to respond if they're faced with something like this in the future?

[348:02] Right. Exactly. I… I… I was a little disappointed with the mitigating factors, because it just felt kind of the same thing of… well, the kids had fake IDs, but we heard from Jaget, he thought they looked fake, but he had a scanner, so he sold, right? Or… kids didn't show IDs, right? I… yeah, I, the turning over IDs… whatever, but I'm confused on… I went back and looked. The date the scanner was purchased was November 6th, so that tells me right there that they knew something was maybe brewing, like, maybe they were being investigated? I'm not sure. I guess I was trying to piece together, like, when those IDs… so, like, so they're saying from, like, the 6th to the 21st, they confiscated, like, 5 IDs, like, that just says, like, oh my god, they have been probably selling to so many minors. Like, that's an insane amount.

[349:14] Right. In, like, 2 weeks to confiscate, and cigarette sales. So… terrible things for our youth, cigarettes and alcohol. And so I That little snapshot of time where they bought the timer, and then this was brought to the board's attention, and the license was suspended, is very telling of how much illegal activity was probably taking place. I do appreciate that the family is making big moves to mitigate this, to bring in a new owner. I can tell this is a really hard-working family. I appreciate that so much, so it's, like, a really tough decision.

[350:02] But… I also felt like if that was a new business coming before, I'd have, like, a lot more questions about their policies and training and outreach and stuff, so I was kind of looking at it from that respect as well, like, new management, like, they're coming in with a new policy, but it really wasn't up to our standards. Anyway, I feel like I'm talking a lot, so I'd like to hear what other people say. what you're talking, you're saying, I mean, you're saying good things, and I think it's… that's very important, and I think the culture is what bothers me. It's a… it's a culture. I see it, with Boulder High, maybe other kids too, but it's… that's what… I don't think they… I didn't see them take responsibility for that, and it's not just like… like, Rojan said, it was a one… one… one minute… one minute to get everything away, and it wasn't one minute, and that, to me, I don't think he… I just don't… it's been… it's been months and years, and it's… it's not a one-minute thing. It was many, many, many minutes, so I…

[351:05] Yeah, I have a problem with that. And will it change in the future? A new management? I don't know. How long will that take to take… take place? Will it take place tomorrow? Will it take place in 6 months? I just… I'm easy with that. Yeah, this is… this is Member Hagerty. I… I agree with what everyone has already previously said. One thing I keep looking at, and I think Chair Roberts mentioned this, was, you know, kind of the community, you know, the proactive community outreach. So, and they, you know, they talked about, you know, mitigating factors, you know, we're gonna, you know. it's, you know, no more mess-ups, but it's like, you know, how do you… how do you get there in addition to the scanner? It's, you know, the outreach to the police, like, alright, let's… and you talked about, you know, closing the loopholes, but it's like, you know, outreach to the high school, you know, knowing that the high school has a pipeline here, how do we shut that down?

[352:07] You know, reaching out to the resource, you know, being creative about, you know, let's nip this in the bud now, and not wait till we get in trouble again. So, you know, in my mind, it's like, what we want to figure out, and if we don't know what the answers are, let's sit down with the police and figure it out, right? And as Chair Roberts mentioned, you know, that's ideally what, you know, the cops are there for, is to sit down and let's have a discussion, and we're all on the same team. As… as we've heard multiple times. So, what's… let's… let's pass the ball to our teammate, type of thing. Or… yeah, let's use that soccer analogy. So that's what I… I was kind of looking for that, that I didn't, I wish I could have seen more of. you know, I do, to Chair Roberts' point, you know, obviously very hard-working family, you know, long-standing ties to the community, a lot of good has been done, but, you know, I just feel like there is… there's just been a blind eye as, you know.

[353:09] Has been really, you know, cast upon this place for too long. So I don't know what cleans it up, necessarily. Is it, You know, just the promise of this won't happen again, you know, we're changing ownership, a new general manager, and we're gonna be, you know, focused on not allowing any, you know, anything to fall through the cracks, or… just the option A, that's… you've lost your opportunity here. I don't know. But it's… I'm, like, toeing the line here. Yeah. It's tough. It's a really tough decision. I don't think any of us on the board take it lightly. I think that's why… We are deliberating so much, and we asked so many questions throughout this last…

[354:01] Few hours, many hours, because we don't take it lightly. So… I guess what we need to… Ew. decide is a penalty? What… what do we think would be… In the best interest of the city. I… I'm… I am leaning towards revocation. Rojan can apply for another liquor license. The business can stay open without liquor. But I don't see how… We can let… this… just… just… it's just, like, so… so many violations, and it's just so bad for our kids and our community. I don't see how we would not,

[355:09] Make it very obvious that, like, that's just not gonna work in our city. To… To turn a blind eye, to not care, to not take responsibility, and to allow that to happen. Way. Sorry. Nope, go ahead. The way I'm thinking about it is… we certainly can revoke, and that's definitely the way that I would be leaning. If it was the same ownership structure. And I'm… I'm seeing… looking at it like, okay. Rojan is coming in as a new owner. And maybe the policies aren't perfect and everything, but if that ownership is changing hands, then truly, what is the difference between

[356:03] you know, I don't know. A revocation, and then just a transfer of ownership to a new… a new business. Owner, who's gonna run things differently. Maybe with a, you know, stricter With us keeping, you know, an eye more closely, you know, on the business and some conditions and things like that. I… I… Because, to your point, you know, Chair Roberts… He'd come and he could apply at our next meeting for, you know, a, a liquor license. And we would, you know, give it the review that every other application would receive. And perhaps that's… that's worth… that's worth doing. But at the same time, if we maintain the suspension until the ownership occurred. And made a conditional on that, but with some other conditions in there, it may essentially accomplish the same.

[357:00] Thing. What… just curious, Member Carr, what… are there any other conditions that come to mind? For you? Well, as much as I enjoy long meetings, you know, one of the things that is just a no-brainer for me is that, you know. But Rujan would have to, you know, attend each of our BLA meetings for a period of here, and give us a status update on what he's doing, what he's working on. I agree with Member Roberts, we should have a more robust alcohol policy. I think he should work with Officer Reck, or, you know, someone in the city, I don't even know if RAR exists anymore, but someone out there to make sure that it's up to snuff. And, you know, a third thing that I would like to hear would be, honestly, calls for service, from Officer Reck, whether that's on, like, a bi-monthly basis or something of that nature, but just to understand, like, how is this truly impacting the, the,

[358:08] the community, and then I would 100% want a, not an automatic approval for renewal next year. They would have to come before us. You know, submit that application, and we would review everything that happened over the past year, and then we would say. Okay, you know, do you… have you earned the right to get another year of business? That's what comes to mind for me. I don't know, this is, like, the worst case that we've seen. Possibly. Yep. Like, we've seen some other kind of bad… Ones, for sure, but this is the longest stint, and to high schoolers.

[359:05] Like, I don't know, it feels different when it's, like, underage college kids. These are high schoolers. I have kids. I'm like, oh my gosh, you know? This seems really bad. I don't know what kind of message that sends. To people, because what if somebody comes before us, and they're… You know, their brother wants to take over, their sister wants to take over, because they're before us for the same reason. how do we trust that that new management is going to be as good as Rojan? I do believe in him. I do think that he has a really… He has good projection, and really… I think he wants this, right? I think he really wants to do good for the community. But I don't want to set the precedent that someone who we're about to revoke can just bring some… a family member in, because… And we start this whole, like, oh, well, this should be revoked, but we'll just hand it to this person, and then they gotta come before us, and then, like, I mean, we've had… that would be, like, so many people on our plate that we would be maintaining, and that just feels like.

[360:13] progress. does… If it wasn't a family member, would that… way differently. Like, if they had found a, you know, outside investor who said, listen, I'm willing to take this over, I wanna… I would have to, like… how do you know, right? Like, these are people who have been breaking the law, and now we're just gonna trust them that they're bringing in somebody. I'm just, like, I'm not saying that that's not a trustworthy person. I do think we have a little unicorn here. I… I do believe Rojan, but I like to believe the best in people. But, no, I wouldn't… an investor… I don't know. Someone completely buying the business and saying, previous owner.

[361:02] Yeah, but that would just be like any other… transfer, right? We've transferred liquor, like, or not… I mean, not transferred… I mean, we have businesses that have come before us to get a liquor license for like, I'm thinking of, like, Cafe Soul, like, I'm thinking of different places that… where it wasn't just transferred. The business was transferred, but the liquor license was new, and that's why they were before us. Right. So… father can transfer to son the business. That doesn't mean he gets the liquor license. That's kind of where I am. And they would likely have to come before us anyway for that transfer. I mean, because this would be one of those situations where we wouldn't process that administration. API. Yeah. For sure. Right, so… I feel like we've revoked on… not a severe thing, so I think I'm really having trouble

[362:02] It's high school, you know, and there's been no outreach to Boulder High from this establishment. I would have expected, like, a huge apology. How can we work with you? Officer Reck, we have a problem. We did not know we were serving to high schoolers. This is not okay with us. Help us. What do we do? Right? That's what should have happened, not the scanner. So, I'm… Your feeling is it's, like, a little bit too… little… too little too late. It's a really severe offense. It is. And knowing. Whoa. like… No, go ahead. Well, knowing… What they've… what they caught in, like, the two weeks that they had the scanner just tells me, like… and plus just the… the, the… the witnesses?

[363:04] when he said, when William Webber said, this is the… I live close, and this has always been the known store. And he's made 3 purchases, never had a fake ID, I mean… 3? Is that it? Probably not. I'm real. Probably not. He'd been going there since 16, he's 17. I mean, right, so I… I'm… first of all, those kids were super brave to come on here, and I'm so appreciative that they did, and I hope they get that message. It's so important to our city to have people take a stand and do the right thing, and so I'm really proud of them for that. the city presented only from October to October, so just one year. I'm sure if we did more research, we could find out maybe when did those TikTok videos start to give us some insight or something, so…

[364:01] I don't know. Well, yeah. Yeah, I think… Yeah, just from the testimony from the students, yeah, this is, you know, I heard it from someone, who heard it from someone, who heard it from someone, so this is, yeah. He said he grew up there, like, he knew. So… And then, going back to your point, I think, you know, the scanner was great, but it's almost like we got a scan, we got the best scanner on the market, like, we're good. You know, I just felt like, you know, that should just supplement other things. Number one, as you mentioned, you know, it's, like, either, you know, police or the school are, like, identifying… We have a serious problem on our hands, you know, help us fix it. You know, if we don't… if we're not capable, we don't have the resources, like, help us find them. Just, you know, putting yourself in that… in that place, I, you know, I think that would have gone a long way, as opposed to just, hey, we got a scanner, and then the rest… rest will take care of itself, right?

[365:06] Yeah. So… Yeah. Yeah. Member Barnes, do you have any, thoughts? I'm… Yeah, this is, you know, kind of newer to me, but I really… I… I think… They've… the city proved… proved the point, I think, and I think… I think a revoke right now Is that a… that's what I'm leaning towards right now, so I… and I think they apply for another license and go through the same How's as everyone else goes through? Because, yeah, I think it's… it's a huge problem. It was a huge problem, and I just, yeah, obviously going on for a long time. Come on. Yeah.

[366:02] I said… Any more discussion? If not… I'll go ahead and make a motion to revoke the license. Reverend seconds that? All those in favor say aye. Member Roberts, aye. Remember Burn's Eye? Member Carr, aye. Better. Member Hagerty, aye. Really sorry, guys. This is not what we like to do as. Tough one. service members. This was really, really hard. And we look forward to What you can do. Next. Hi, Alyssa. Hi, Chair Roberts. There are some housekeeping items that, licensing staff needs to read into the record for you.

[367:07] Please proceed. And we will need interpretation, please. Sounds good. Thank you. My name is Elise Adaro, I am the Licensing Manager for the City of Boulder. Bhai Kasu. As I go through this, please let me know if you need me to repeat any information for you. I will also email this to you when the meeting is adjourned. ni su. No alcohol inventory may be removed from the premises, effective immediately. Kuneepani Madhira sam mga sambandit Saman Harulai, afna bhata hatayna panei saina.

[368:01] Please email a point-of-sale inventory list by 8 a.m. tomorrow, and receipts for the purchase of the inventory. raw, This is the interpreter skip speaking. Could you repeat the last two sentences for me? And receipts for the purchase of the inventory. ha. Members of licensing and an enforcement officer from Boulder Police will meet you at your business at 9am tomorrow. beatne sa. You will be required to perform a city witnessed inventory of all alcohol on the premises. sah.

[369:03] And provide a signed copy and dated… And provide a signed and dated copy of this to us once completed. a. City staff may elect to use the point-of-sale data to confirm inventory. karne sau. Rather than perform a full inventory if the records allow us to do so. sau. City staff may not assist in the inventory. City ka kar macari, let's hai, upakaran haruka lagi sah yogna kilapunsa.

[370:00] Move boxes or bottles during the inventory. Please ensure you have enough staff to assist. kunagi. We are requesting at least 4 staff to complete the inventory. sah. You, the licensee, will have 7 calendar days in which to contact your alcohol suppliers. langi. Regarding any alcohol stock that can be taken back for credit. banner kalagi. You will need to email licensing confirmation once this is completed.

[371:02] licensing ko ruse email varapat nu perneesa. That day is December 10th. kostatic. The return to suppliers will need to be scheduled no less than 14 calendar days from today. Bitterro karullay saman fita pot hauni, azo deki chowder di in biter mahore sabki nu padhi sau. And receipts forwarded to licensing. nita. That date is December 17th. December saktra. On the 15th gala… on the 15th calendar day after the hearing. akhadi. Or sooner, if you are able. A licensing staff member will meet you on site.

[372:00] licensing sanga sam mandate ahod machines, sir. To perform the witnessed alcohol destruction of any unreturned stock. That date is December 18th. December 4th Harutarek. City staff may not physically assist in the destruction process. Titi bila peni, ham recruitlai samanharuba sar pusar gurna pulagi saka unahnei taaina. And will act solely as witnesses. rahani, sir. You must provide adequate staff. sah. To pour out or otherwise destroy all alcohol products to be disposed of. lagi.

[373:08] Please note that City staff cannot assist in the alcohol destruction. naha. You will need to make sure that you have sufficient staff on hand. kan. To facilitate pouring out all alcohol that will be destroyed. cha. City staff cannot lift or move any alcohol. say na. The failure to comply with this policy. gane. May result in additional enforcement actions.

[374:03] aka. Including, but not limited to… Just okay. The full penalties. Administration. Sorry, I'm sorry, Saruvana Tinupande? administrative citations. Orukunay penny ni entran sanga sagmandit samahey. Or a referral to law enforcement. Or noncompliance with revocation orders. a banana. All records… As a Sophie Zhankar hero. Including inventories, Receipts… Tamagre Haru, Biskapartzah Haru. Supplier confirmations and destruction verification. Biterakle dinu bahay kuruzu, Ratapai saman haru, firsa patano Bhai karuzu.

[375:03] Must be retained by licensing. ha. And attached to the revocation file for audit and record keeping. rakinu panezahan. Do you understand these instructions? There was a lot. I was… could you send, will you… will a written statement or something be sent? These instructions will be emailed to you word for word. Okay, thank you. Okay. That's everything I have, thank you. Thank you.

[376:01] Any other matters from… The city? No. There's no other agenda items. Nothing from us, thank you. Great. Then, with that, we will adjourn at 11.19 PM. Allah. You have to make a motion. I would make a motion to adjourn this, hearing. Member Hagerty seconds. Motion. All those in favor, say aye. Member Roberts, aye. For Burns, aye. Member Carr, I… I'm a Hagerty Eye. Okay, meeting adjourned at 11.19 PM. Thanks, everyone. Thank you so much. Nice. I have a quick thing that I wanna say, like, whoever scheduled the meeting.

[377:00] Go ahead. I'm already, like, I don't know, three and a half hours past my schedule, so if you could let the scheduling or the agency know that. I mean, I did not think it would be appropriate to end it right away, so that's why I stood, but I just wanted to let you guys know that you please let my new agency, so that I can get paid. We will definitely let them know how they can stay. Thank you so much. Thank you for staying. Appreciate it. Thank you. You did an excellent job, thank you. You did, you're amazing. Okay. Thanks, everyone. Good night. Thank you.