November 7, 2023 — University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:01] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Heating is recorded. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Would the secretary like to? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yes, I will. Cheryl Laurie University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: present Trent Bush present Ted Rockwell, present Cal Jones present. and Andrew Shoemaker is not able to attend. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: and I'll turn the meeting over to our chair, Commissioner Rafa, for procedural University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: so let's first the approval of the meeting minutes I made a note about Commissioners term terms that have been adjusted that we have in front of us. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: It was showing incorrectly in our packet. as University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Trent and I both serving through 2020 board. I actually served through 26. I think you're all in 24, so that has been corrected.

[1:03] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: was there any other corrections to the mail? Says they stand University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: all those in favor unanimous. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: That's good. We both came on in 21. Yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: alright. So the next thing on the agenda is the approval of the proposed 24. You can't see meeting days you'll notice on the sheet in front of you and in the packet that there are 2 proposed changes to the normal schedule. One is moving from January second to June or ninth, and the other one is moving from July second to July ninth. These both seem to make some sense to me.

[2:01] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Do you want to hear a motion University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: regarding the needy dates. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I move to approve the meeting date changes. And the second second, okay, any discussion about the dates? Anything here that we see that we want to amend or otherwise change. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: September third night University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: is that Labor Day that's Labor Day weekend is the second Labor Day. Then yes, tents. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Thanks for playing that. I'll show. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yes, that is the second. Yeah. I mean, not that. you know. Usually people are back in the office after labor day. But you know something to. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I do have a meeting that goes from 3 to 4. I do. But how about this? I'll propose that. We can maybe consider that later. Once we

[3:23] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I'm gonna call a question and we're gonna vote all those in favor of accepting the schedule as proposed University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: time. Let's see if I have this. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Alright. You're now moving into the public participation. Portion of the agenda. Is there any members of the public who would like to make save it. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I see one member of the public on the call if they would like to raise their hand to speak during public comment now would be the time. Otherwise we can move forward. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: not seeing anybody's hints. All right, thank you, Chris.

[4:02] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: We have 2 consent pieces the consent agenda, and then also on financial student. Do any commissioners have any questions or comments? They'd like to make up consent, agenda, or from financials. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Alright, we are moving on. Do we have Jake Hudson? Humphrey on the call here, thinking you it is is time to shine, Jake, you're up awesome. Can you guys hear me? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: We can alright hopefully, you saw my updates in the packet. First thing we had our quarterly meetup last month. I was super successful. We had, like our best turnout yet, which was great. had updates from Danica, from the city, from sales and use tax and we had about 25 people there, which is a big success for us. The next one is January 20, fourth, at 1 30. The date in your packets incorrect. I think it says. January twenty-threerd, at 2 correct dates, January 20, fourth at 1 30. You can't see is welcome to attend that, and I'll follow up with a more official invitation as it as it gets closer.

[5:18] big thing we're working on right now is the the City Council meeting coming up next on Thursday next Thursday. So I'm working with couple of business owners right now to draft a letter like a merchant letter of support that we're gonna send the city council urging them to adopt ordinance 8, 5, 9 0 so I'm working on that. That's I've got the draft of that done, and then we're gonna send it around to business owners for signatures. and we'll deliver that to city Council on probably Monday or Tuesday by email. Third thing is, we we finished up our district survey with community vitality. I was working with Regan on that. We? We got 200 201 responses.

[6:06] We don't have an official like report or analysis yet. But II have some kind of general things I can share. From from my analysis of the survey. This isn't in your package, this, this just we just did, this this weekend So 2 under one responses. Most people lived on the hill. 40 40, I mean lived on or near the hill 96 lived or worked in boulder we had kind of mixed responses to all, the other, to to most questions. But, there were a few things that there was basically universal agreement on there's too few grocery stores on the hill. Everyone agreed with that. The hill has the right amount of live music venues and hair salons. Everyone agreed with that. The hill needs more cleanliness and beautification. Everyone agreed with that.

[7:02] and the hill needs storefront improvements. So I'll I'll send along. Once we have kind of an official analysis of everything, I'll send that along. But those were the things I was able to quickly pull out other than that I wanted to update. There's 2 new businesses the ginger pig has finally opened. They opened, I think, last week or 2 weeks ago. and then Nana's dim sum should they say they're opening this month? But sounds like it might get pushed back a little bit so definitely by end of year. Those are my updates. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Excellent thanks, Jake. Do any commissioners have any questions or follow up that they would like to do with Jake at this time. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Do we have University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: When, when, say in the survey, the question about storefront improvements? I'm guessing. That's primarily businesses that are are

[8:07] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: store fronts that do not have businesses currently in them. Does that ever go that feedback? Does that ever go to the property owner or to the management company? Of those empty storefronts University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: at for you? Does the do the results from the survey? Will the results from the survey go to those people? We haven't. They definitely could. Yeah, we we haven't. We don't have a plan for what we're what we're gonna do with the results of the survey but I think getting that information to the property owners of those vacant storefronts. Seems like a great, a great plan. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yeah. And I was just gonna chime in, Jake. Thank you. We. Our plan at this point is, Jake and I have a 2024 work planning session in a couple of weeks. Really wanna dive deeper, analyzing the survey results maybe incorporate some programmatic elements or projects into the 2024 work plan or address some of these things that we're hearing. But that's certainly something we can set. Could consider

[9:23] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: anything else from the Commissioners. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Thank you, Jake. Alright, thank you. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Alright. It's weird matters from Staff Section first up is rigid brown with the heel coal revitalization update, usually final report. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Okay, I'm gonna just give a verbal update. I'll start with the Ui tab report. So I'm sure you'll remember back in June. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: which crazy we convened with the technical advisory panel from Uli. So we received a draft final report from them at this point, which outlines the recommendations that they presented back in June.

[10:11] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Chris and I are reviewing the report internally at this point, and we'll want to have you all. I incorporate some of our feedback University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: before distributing it more broadly, or to the public in general, the report is reflective of what they presented us presented to us during that final presentation from when the panel came to Boulder. So if you recall short term recommendations includes activating the district University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: better, connecting it to downtown, potentially launching a rebranding or enhancing the current brand campaign as well as those longer term recommendations for redeveloping the Fourteenth street loss. So that's all laid out in the report again. Chris and I are reviewing it internally, and will be distributed more broadly and sent to you all hopefully in the coming weeks. Here.

[11:03] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: That's the update on your eye. We're still planning on pursuing broader revitalization efforts on the hill, especially as it relates to those shorter term recommendations. Beginning in 2024. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So as an immediate next step we will really be scoping, which will include conducting an inventory of all the existing and upcoming work going on across other city departments on their work plans, as it may relate to an impact the hill at this point, as well as assessing our current funding University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: tool and resources. So the intent is to develop a realistic scope and begin to vision, plan and potentially bring on a planning and design consultant to identify specific University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: projects from there. So we'll certainly keep it all posted as that work progresses. And then, as Jake already mentioned, just kind of looking a bit more in the immediate term. Next week, on November sixteenth, Council will vote on City Staff's recommendation to update the land use code to create more walkable

[12:08] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: neighborhoods and streamlined the approval process for businesses which could definitely have a huge impact on the hill. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So just a couple of notes from me. We'll also be distributing the Ui tap reports to city council through a regular information packet. will target the new council on their radar screen in advance of their planned retreat, which was likely to be scheduled for march. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So we're gonna we're gonna get a flavor of what their involvement and interest are on the hill in the months ahead. So we're looking forward to that. Obviously, today is a big day. We're gonna know a lot more hopefully tomorrow. About the makeup that we're gonna be looking at on council. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Another important note for this Commission is a study session this Thursday. Considering considering changes to the city's board and commission program as a whole. There are number of proposals. That are being presented to council. They're not being voted on yet. They're just a study session. So just giving guidance. But it includes concepts of

[13:21] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: or general improvement district, specifically reducing the term commitment from 5 years to 2 years, and then also having commissioners appointed by the city manager as opposed to a city council. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: volunteer approval process. So whether or not that's accepted by council or or something that they want pursue. That's something that could. Those are changes that could have implications for how we recruit for and maintain University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: membership on this commission for sure.

[14:03] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Let's see, I have one other thing on the Hill revitalization, but now it has left me. But maybe I talk, maybe. Anyhow, any questions. On where we're at all that work. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: you know the the term change for commissions is something that would be University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: moving forward, or is it something that would affect backward University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: undetermined. Yeah, yeah, right here term. I'll send it shortened. Undetermined. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: And the I guess the other thing that I'm curious about is whether or not there would be a limit to the number of times someone be able to serve in consecutive terms. This Commission has had a bit of a struggle, maintaining even University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: the basic numbers. I think we're still short. An individual. And so maintaining that kind of institutional knowledge is absolutely so. But those are all things that as if the concept even progresses as the study session that will wanna make sure. Yeah, because there certainly would be unintended consequences of

[15:17] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: if it's limited to 2 year term, and then you can continue on then we're might be even more tough spot than we already have done, which would not be the intention of work at all. Is it true? I know it was true, when I served my first term that I had to wait a year before going on to my next term. So University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: you know, early next year I'm gonna be in my ninth year, not including that one year time period. So 3 or 5 year. And then I've been serving almost a year past my term University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: limit. So is is that

[16:02] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I also was going to bring up a real concern about institutional knowledge. II think the first year is just learning University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: what University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: what has happened. The the background information and grasping what University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: the the issues to tackle are. And I'd be curious. Why. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: 3 years was University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: what is being discussed. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: It seems University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: detrimental to most work of probably any commission, I think what likely could occur is multiple to your terms can be, you know, served University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: in consecutive order without that break in between as opposed to now, I guess. 5 year term one year off, and then you can serve again. And now you're in this unique space where your seat has was vacated as your term ended. But there was not somebody to replace you, and so you're allowed to continue serving as long as you're

[17:12] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: willing to personal, appreciate it to you for that. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: The thinking behind going from a 5 year to 2 year term commitment is University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: some of the interview. Feedback that the consultant team received was, the 5 years seem like a big commitment to folks who are interested in volunteering but when they learned it was a 5 year commitment they were less interested. And so the thinking is is that maybe there could be a larger pool of interested candidates. In serving if University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: the initial commitment isn't for 5 years, but could be consecutive 2 year terms. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So again, too early to tell whether how this will land with council. As it does change significantly, especially when it's not just the Gids but any of the advisory boards. The recommendation is to have the those Board members and commissioners by the city manager. Which certainly changes

[18:21] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: role of counsel when it comes to Transportation Advisory board a number of those other dynamic boards that the city currently works with. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So why? Why the change from city council to city manager? Is there a conflict of interest University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: at all, or I. I'm just curious. Procedural part of it is is when the when the nature of the Board is intended to be strictly advisory in nature. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: That is, when the when the Commissioners don't necessarily have any quasi judicial authority, then A number of communities would this would model after the approach that number of other communities have taken. Then, allowing the city manager who really serves the CEO of the organization to form the advisory boards that their staff are working with as opposed to the politics

[19:20] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: which then leads to sometimes that clash between an advisory board that doesn't really have any authority to. Yeah, to vote on the on specific outcomes. But they sometimes tend to University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: want to and behave as if they do, and that leads us a lot of University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: challenging dynamics, not in any of our community vitalities, boards, and commissions. But no, that makes I just. I was, it seemed like a whole lot of work to put on the city manager to make all of those appointments and learn largely what it would probably translate to is city managers term for city leaders and directors. So it would give me more

[20:14] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: relationships with folks. As I have been. You know Jake Hudson? Humphrey? Could be an at large. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: you know. Commissioner? I could develop a recommendation. The city manager would certainly have to bless it. But it would give Staff some more authority over over cultivating the the community members that we're working with to help make decisions, for that's a really interesting concept. And that could end up answering a lot University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: lot of the concern around institutional knowledge. You know, if there are seats for the University, the hill, just as an example right to help that kind of thing that could really help shore up, and the volunteer status of the commissioners themselves

[21:09] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: interesting. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So again, time will tell. It's really preliminary right now we'll see how the household response to on Thursday. But it is something that I know many, if not all, of you, were involved in that conversation with the consultant team. And we'll see what comes next. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I have a really weird procedural question regarding the the vote that counsel will be conducting on Thursday regarding University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: the hill. But other areas of University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: older is there a chance that they would not vote. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: yeah. And I wanna make sure we have it is it's next Thursday. Sorry. So

[22:01] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Results of the election are such I could see the University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: that is certainly a possibility. Yeah, they could always suggest that it needs to go to a third reading. but it's really hard to know University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: how. Yup! Well, it could go to a third reading University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: or they could. There's 3 things that could happen. They could University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: so to approve it. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: approve the changes the that were originally recommended by the planning department. That would lead to the changes for University Hill land uses. They could approve it with planning boards, recommended changes which was removing university specifically and spending more time studying university overseas. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: which you know we're good at. And the third option could be going to a third reading and punching to the new council. And so in the third option there hunting to a new council. When would be the earliest that council would be sworn in and be able to make a decision?

[23:11] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I'm not sure when first University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: see, I will know more. I would be really surprised. If that were to. Originally we had the second reading scheduled for last Thursday. Sure. And there was some some movement in University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: at the request of Council members. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: To have it happen after the elections happen. So there's maybe some less exposure. But we will see. Okay. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: thank you. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Any other questions, for oh, I just remember what my other point was. Theresa Pinkle has left community vitality. She's moved back to Utah for an opportunity back home. We're all very set to see her go. She was our senior manager business services and district vitality century structure,

[24:10] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: separating district vitality from business services. We have rehired elite Levanti University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: as our senior manager of business services, so there'll be some of you may recall working with Elliot. A number of years on the community vitality staff University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: for some time. So we're looking forward to what we welcoming him back. And we're we have an University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: acting senior manager of what we're calling cultural vibrancy and district vitality. And that's match. The same is previously been the manager of the Office of Arts and Culture. So we're marrying our our team culture function. For with the city and our district vitality function, so Regan is now reporting to Matt as the acting senior manager. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: We're going to do a formal advertisement for the opportunity. And we'll see how that plays out for the long term. But she will be saying more matches. Andski and that role

[25:12] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: leading our district vitality initiatives. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: any questions for Chris or Regan. Just come up University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: next one's updates, Chris read again. moving to our next agenda item, which is the Commissioner of approval questions in front of us. Here University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: are these reflective questions that we asked last summer. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: maybe a session around what we see here, any ideas to try to amend or otherwise add to this list.

[26:01] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I think the affiliation and the connection, and how often you visit the hell is pretty important. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: which I think that was added last year. So yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: tell is our Commissioner that's most recently done through the application process. How did you feel about University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: and look these over again? I think they're pretty solid for your first interview? Kind of questions. Yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: yeah, I don't. I don't see anything that I mean. I felt that adding the affiliation question was really strong. It's a good way of this saying, Why, why do you really want to be good? We need to vote on this, or is it just? If we had some recommendation, we need to say it now or forever.

[27:02] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yeah, there are no changes. We'll just proceed, as is. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I would just kind of say out loud for the record that Commissioner should consider communicating the idea that this these applications will be open to the public. December eighteenth. Do what you can to get the word out. Some good people. We are currently short one and Cheryl is very kindly serving in a role that I'm sure she would University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: easily step aside if she had the opportunity. So technically 2 positions that I do feel greatly attached to the outcome of everything that's going on. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: But I do think fresh. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: It's also important, too.

[28:05] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Cheryl knows. II tell her all the time like I'm gonna need to keep you. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Are there any special qualifications for this for the open seats? Now, you know. So the thing you're you're as an owner. So that means that we need another email University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: property owners. Because you own you. Right? I say, I represent the owner University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: building on their business. Yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So we need a property, yes. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: or someone who represents. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yes, for one of the vitamin seats.

[29:03] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So we so University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: it's just the one seat that's there, right? Cause we've got. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: We have 5 for the first time. Yeah, yeah. Yours University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: see? Is, I think, yeah, that's why. So? Yes, to University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: sorry. I guess the question University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: been vacant for a while. Make sure they alternate in their in their so 5, 24. And you're 26. Is that correct? Yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So I think I think in the rules. And we have to check with the city clerks office. But if you only serve a person term

[30:07] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: for a seat that had been vacant, then you can. II don't hold me to this, but I believe you can serve another term. Yes, cause that. That's what happened to me. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I had to have a year in between. But I served the partial year, then came back in with a 5 year. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So do I need to apply. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Let us follow up. Okay, with the city folks office. Okay? So you get some good clarity around what you would need to do. I would presume, now that you would determine. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So you you are on as a business, for example, a property owner. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Tell your as a property owner. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: representative to, aren't you?

[31:10] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Andrew is definitely property. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So how how do you go about promoting this open chair? So in the past we do rely on word of mouth to a certain extent. And then just regular communications. We do ask University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Jake and the newsletters, and just University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: in other districts we've done direct mailings. Junction is particularly challenged in keeping zoom to pretend in a very small district. So we've done direct mail pieces through property management companies and whatnot.

[32:07] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: that's all. That's part of the challenge as well University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: cool. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: And I think in the past we've University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: again looked at. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: What do we need? What what strength do we need to come on to the Commission that we don't currently have. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yeah. given the work at hand what we're trying to accomplish. That's a commission. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I think we have a really strong group kind of this exact moment for the first time, and nothing to say anything disparaging about anything in the past. So we have full complement. Right. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: But looking at who may you know University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: we need to move on and want to move on. I'm I mean I'm I'm not chomping in a bit to move on.

[33:07] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: you know University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: it's the continuation of work, and it's nice to see some of it come to come to pass. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: It started with getting the hill exempt from height restriction that was being University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: passed for the city at large. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I think with University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: this made a lot of the hotel or the Help Hotel possible. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I think. seeing it all through. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Seeing improvements is gonna be very satisfying. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: That's one thing you can say to anyone. You're trying as much as you want to lean in for sure.

[34:07] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: We can even take people want to go up there on the streets if they wanted to take that University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: alright? Any anything else? Regarding recruitment questions before we move on, I guess just will I have will I hear from you University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: then, before this is happening pretty quick. So you know, we want to have another meeting. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: 24 doesn't carry through 24. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Now. It's April. I believe. We don't know. March march is when they're appointed University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: depending on how the meetings fall. But typically, it's it's University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: April deep in Covid. So yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: we didn't have what a year. Well, then, it's been confusing, even when they were voting on it at counsel between the 2 of us. They were really confused in in our interview

[35:12] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: about what they were elected. Well, then, again. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: it's showing Trent your term from 2020 to 24, which is only 4 years. So why is your term? Only 4 years, so we might. He wasn't 2020, though University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I know that we were both later. And that's so, and that's but even then the seat term University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: well, maybe that is, you know. Well, because you have to include the 0 here. So University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: no. Is that, anyhow, because we got one on here, that is 2020 to 2025 that Andrew is in, and we've got Trent C. This 2020 to 2024. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Let's give it the track all these things, and make sure that there's not something that's the dates have moved around a couple of, and so I think there would be be really wise. Yep.

[36:10] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: if it's this confusing. And we're all the nerds in the room. Then how? Who else is gonna know? Right? Yeah. So it'd be great to confirm all of this. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Sure, that was my out. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: alright. We love the hill too much for the challenge. So University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: alright anything else around Commercial Commissioner, recruitment questions, or otherwise. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I mean the Renaissance. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: and I mean that maybe there's I don't know the management structure

[37:02] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: the Hill Hotel the users is with. would they be? It seems like a pretty ripe University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: place to be looking. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I wonder if it makes sense for me to reach out to Danica and see there is a contact for the Hill Hotel now. Yeah, for reaching out to, and they haven't released University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: publicly that it's a noxi. Sorry. They did they this past week.

[38:01] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Well. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: who did we work with as far as the group related to the annexation of the parcel that was outside of the district University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: turnover that happened was, yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: little bit confusing. So. But we we did have to navigate through that for the petition to include that additional person. So. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: That would be wonderful. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Can I step back to the makeup of the commission? For a second I thought that you said University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: there were. How many University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: business owner, so there are no business owners required business owner requirements. It's property owner, property owner, representative, and then 2 admin at large residence, and that

[39:10] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: that changed over the years because I thought it was always one at large University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: to business and to property. I guess not, to my knowledge. Well, okay. And the the key thing is the properties property texting district. So it's important that a majority of the representatives are kind of strong University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: taxation with representation. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I have a question the missionaries. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Is it possible? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: And I know that this might be a heavy latch. sensitive to not, you know, put too much work

[40:06] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: where it's not okay. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: it's not intended to be too much work. But is there a way to get the sales tax revenue from the district? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Historic sales tax revenue University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: from the district going back to Pre University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: liquor requirement change. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: is it possible? Probably. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: is is that public information where we could? I don't know that I have all of my packets going that far back. I know we used to get sales tax information when we met as a commission monthly, so it was always

[41:02] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: month, you know. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: right? And we had tried to get that institutionalized in our packets, and I think since Theresa left, it's fallen off. But we need to get that back. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: But the the reason I'm asking and it may or may not be useful. And I don't want to create work that's not useful. Is, it provides data to city council about the University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: true vitality of the district. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So I think I mean, and that would be a University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: data driven illustration of what's happening in the district historically since. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So I am seeing University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: on line everything from December 2010, and on so theoretically and see if it includes University of Breakout.

[42:02] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: It does University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: not so much the parking revenue. No, no significant changes. So, for instance. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: December 2010 year to date, the hill had generated 1.1 5 million dollars in sales tax University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: revenue. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: That's 2010. So let's see, year and 2020, 10 years later. Well, you don't want to use 2020 19 University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: here and 2019 University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: University Hill. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: on point 5 7

[43:09] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: 1 million University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: certainly went up. But so that's I'm gonna let's see. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: comparatively University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: It's the downtown boulder in 2019 was 12.4 University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: 7 million University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: and University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: 2010, University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: putting together spreadsheet there, and 2010. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So in 2010. The downtown was University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: 5 point University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: 8 8 million.

[44:03] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So so there's more than doubled in the same time, and say that that's the whole gate. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Not a loss University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: well, and and according to the wonderful power, compares 10 to 1922 short. So a dollar is worth one University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: dollar 17 cents in 2019. So it's maybe an increase, maybe a modest one for the hill. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: but not close to doubling in gravity. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yeah, and is apples and oranges. I mean, economic development should happen downtown between those just the size, and also speaks to the vitality of district and the desirability of the district. Yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: absolutely. If people are willing to invest and develop, and I know that's a long on ramp to get to that point. But

[45:00] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I'd say, if we. you know, have the capacity we've been pull out, you know, all the years for them. Be able to paint. It's really just an an illustration using fax right? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: My biggest fear is that they will carve out University Hill University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: past the University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: whatever what the number is. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: you know, pass the land, use change to make it equal everywhere else where it really is equal everywhere else. And again, just carve out the district and say, we'll deal with this later. Let me University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: study it more because we have more residents that are louder. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Build on what Cheryl is putting out there. I'm wondering 2 things. You share the link because it's open data within the city. I'm not quite sure where to find that I'd love to have that link.

[46:03] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: It sounds like it goes back to 2010. Was that the earliest year. Yep, any thoughts on getting before 2010, and that's not necessarily anything you need to answer right at this moment. But if we wanted to look back, say, to the beginning of the century, how would one go about doing that? Where would we go? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: depends on how University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: reports depending on where you know who they've broke, what areas they've broken out over time, right? I imagine they've been breaking out. You did for a number of years.

[47:00] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: so the data, theoretically probably does exist somewhere. And the sales tax off. This is the keeper of that data. This is super easy. URL boulder, Colorado Slash revenue dash reports. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: And so University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: maybe contacting someone sales tax department and saying, Hey, University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: curious. Yeah. Okay. that would be the way to do that. Okay, how far back to you can see packets go? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Oh. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I mean, I've seen stuff from yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: quite a ways back. So University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I can't tell you right? Just occurred to me that would be really smart, probably in there. Yeah.

[48:18] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: 2,007. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yup, I'm saying so. Yeah, we've got materials back to 2,000 changed. Was that 2,008 University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: yeah, 2,000 8,009 land use changes happen free. You can't see 2013. It was 20. It was 2013 out late. Okay? So yeah, the minutes I'm seeing as far back as January 20 year 2,000. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Oh, great! It's all a long. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: And where is that? Documents? Oldercolorado? Gov.

[49:03] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: See if you can just go there. And University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: that is. that is not a good link. because it needs. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: If you go to the Ucm. C. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: And then there's a link at the top and just go back because it says 2023. But just pull back to the folder that's for you can't see specifically that. Yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: yeah.

[50:05] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: what are you trying to pull? You're just trying to pull sales tax on it? Yeah, I was just curious. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I think illustration is there that district that University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: is suffering University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: where our closest University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: district and seeing University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: double-check digit growth? Yeah. And there could be other data in there, too. I mean, I think part of University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: an exploration like that could elicit some University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: unrealized things. These are. And if we you know. I think it's likely that they'll carve out the decision on university health for further study. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: it's good to at least start thinking about what's what's there there? II had heard that there was some data from you, not right? Because we're in the meeting. I can't remember whether I was conversing with

[51:14] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Nancy. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: when you guys were around. But University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: She mentioned University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: that there was some data going around the neighborhood group that proves. or that that illustrates that the changes made on the hill had a positive impact upon the neighborhood. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: And I don't know what that data is, whether it's University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: prime data, you know, from waste department or University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I'm not sure what that data is. But I did hear that there was some data going around from the neighborhood University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: supporting. maintaining the land use restrictions.

[52:05] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yeah. So the reason I'm asking is, what data do we can we present that shows that it have a negative impact on district. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: And they've been the visual University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: impact that we all can see every day reports on the bill that are. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: yeah. We have a video that maybe some of the new council, or even current council has not seen. That was put together a number of years ago, and we're University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: talking about the East. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yes, but University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: parking I can't remember which issue hotel parking University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: video, the cartoon video that right? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: The Merchant Association put together.

[53:03] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I'm not seeing that. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: It will show we'll need to send it to University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Lisa. Send it to me. Yes, thank you. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: It's a it's probably available on like Vimeo or Youtube. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: And it was sent to city Council as well University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: and presented in a public meeting to council. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I mean, if if we really, you know, if we wanted to gather contemporary data, too, they're subjected data for sure. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Talking to individual business owners about that. They're currently on that. about their experiences and about their that's what this is. And I think

[54:05] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: the folks who spoke are all currently on the hill as well as other community members. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Excellent. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: It's good. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yeah. There's it's University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: it's an interesting illustration. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: of course. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yeah, yeah. You like sleeping. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Go way back. Just go down University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: sort of community assets for all of boulder to just become. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Then move to University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: moving to a different district. Yeah.

[55:03] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: he likes to University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: again. That's going back. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So Josh and John University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: alright. Well, more there, I think that University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: doing a little bit of homework, it would be a really good idea. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: our next meeting is until January, so, and City Council voting next week. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So I have a I have a question. So University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I reached out to University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Chris, and this might be for you as a University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: business I don't know on the hill.

[56:00] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: not as if you can't see member. This was through University that for the Hill Merchant Association. I reached out to Lisa Spalding to ask for coffee, because I know University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: She's expressed to me in the past. You know that she University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: has some serious concerns. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: and so I reached out. See if I could have coffee with her, and just kind of get an understanding what her true sticking points work in advance of this meeting next week. She's heading to Japan. Tomorrow, I think. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: But she recommended. I reach out to Nancy and try and get the Hill Merchants and University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: University Hill University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Neighborhood Association together to just. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: he announced. Have an honest, open conversation about you know what the impacts are and what the impacts are for for both sides. Now, if I attend the meeting

[57:10] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: as a business owner. What is the opportunity for other commission? What's the limitation? If, say. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: chat wanted to go to the university if we were able to get a meeting together. What's the limitation of commission members being able to even be in that University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: gathering? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: If it's if there are more than 2 of you. and and it's certainly a public University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: meeting discussing commission related business. We would need it. We would need to publicly notice the meeting. This would be between hill businesses, so Hill Merchant Association and the Neighborhood Association.

[58:05] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So. which is totally fine. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: and how this but nothing's been scheduled yet. Nothing's been scheduled yet. How much lead time do we need Lisa to schedule a meeting, or to probably notice the meeting University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: speakers. and no like. So all that. You all the commission meetings. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Oh, you mean oh, I do it. Wednesday before Monday, that okay? So like a week University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: a week, I had this question before, like cause we've had. This issue happened once before, where we invite city council to the walk, and 3 commissioners showed up. So a week is the and how? What is the procedure for ensuring that we have followed the rules around the public announcement of the public meeting.

[59:02] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: What is the information that you are chose to provide in that public notice? Who's gonna be attending? Okay? One. Where? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Okay, what determines the public meeting as opposed to a neighborhood? Well, if conversation, if 3 commissioners are present because you're so if 2 of us go, that's the I didn't know what it was University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: still the same for that situation. If I'm not going as a commissioner, but I can't not be there and not count myself as a Commissioner. Correct. We you can be there and not count yourself. You can be there representing University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: to herself as a property interest. Yes, and I was there as a business owner.

[60:04] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Are we, then, out of compliance? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: If there is any perceived business happening with the 3 Commissioners. So University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: if if we're talking about the city count that if we're talking about so University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: the upcoming land use change University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: right the moment that everybody advising City Council on so if only one person is is speaking about. So you're the only one that doesn't need speaking, and you all don't conference together, ad set meeting. Then that would still be dependable. Because you're not together speaking as a body, as a group. Okay? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Okay? No. That's that's why I'm asking the question. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: because I think the more perspectives from you know that we can all bring through a gathering of the minds. so to speak.

[61:06] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yeah. And like University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: it's it could be as simple as Cheryl says something. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: and the 2 of you are like, we agree. Then you've just communicated as a as a group as a yes, and then that would be not good. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I think that's been one of the biggest limitations just from my seat of how the business Commission has done is that it's difficult. II have no idea what the community really thinks, partially because we can't University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: engage without it. Then they can proceed as a public meeting. And that's a real restriction on being able to understand what, what are the concerns, what are the pain points? How can we help address both what the business owners, with their point of view, and what the community is trying to bring to the table.

[62:01] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So it's helpful to understand that I think that it will come in handy for us. If it turns out something happens. We have 7 days notice. We could do so. I reach out to Lisa to engage that activity. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: that that may be a good. And then, as long as it's noticed, and and there are 3 of you there that you have do have that University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: space to speak as a as a quorum. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: because in essence we're an advocate for the district. even though. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: As long as it's been publicly noticed, you get to, you know. Have a microphone, be like we are here, as you can see. And here is here is what's going on. And here's what we, you know. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Got it? Yeah, yeah. Fyi, about trying to get together with Nancy.

[63:04] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: or even more informally, we can be in that discussion. That community gathering without feeling like someone may miss perceive what we're trying to do. Even without a microphone. We can be talking. And I think that's been one of the things University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I really appreciate. You walking us through all that. Yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: especially these days. Yeah, you have to be super careful. Yeah. I mean, you think about the county commissioners. These are 3 people who work in the same building together University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: all you know, every day the the work week, and yet they can only be together in the same room when it's been publicly noticed. And all of this things. So they have to

[64:10] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: thank you, Cheryl. I appreciate you bringing all of that up. Do you? Have? Have you gotten a heads up on what the timing may be for anything like that. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I only University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: requested the meeting today. Okay, so I will look to see if Nancy has responded. Even if it's just a few people, I think Lisa University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: has been maybe the loudest communicator in the neighborhood, and University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: she was willing to get together for coffee. But she's travel. Yeah, she's like kicking into Nancy. So there was. Talk of it Merchants Association, suggesting that maybe her idea, you know, informal situation or something like that. But I don't. I haven't heard anything beyond that. It it sounds like, maybe that hasn't crystallized.

[65:09] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yeah, I think even a slight softening of the Us. Versus them which we're experiencing throughout every aspect of University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: world these days. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Would be University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: be nice, and sometimes University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: being in the same room. And how do we compromise what you know? What can we be doing? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: The perception that this will make every business long, stay open till 2 am. And and become a dive bar, which is the perception, I think, from the Neighborhood Association there's got to be a shift. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: And in that perception. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: and besides, Quince was not a dive bar. It was a pool hall.

[66:03] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yeah. And I think that our key, you know, element of the work that we did with the U. Li. You know, this tap report. First activation is key to changing the dynamics on the hill, and that activation can't include after 10 pm. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: But you have some more presence up there. People who have an interest in keeping the space safe and clean even after hours, as opposed to University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: all the businesses are shot. Everybody's gone, everybody's done home, that's what not. Everybody's done. And University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: that's that's a piece of the dynamic that we don't. We're not looking to add more what we University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: already have. We're looking to track University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: other businesses with the opportunity to succeed University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: bottom line is that those entrepreneurs have to be willing to invest the money to end the time

[67:01] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: to do that. And even even with a consistent regulatory environment across Boulder, including the hill. That's a significant amount of money. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: And so. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: having a welcome map for those individuals who would want to invest in that community University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: means that it shouldn't be seen as more onerous than another area. Everyone talks about the known name bar right? The Nonie bar did not close at 11. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Fyi. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: But if you look at the waffle lab which I hear is getting evicted, you know that's what we're not looking for. More of. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: yeah, if any better this on the hill University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: weekend University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: and Taco, jump you understand is, they're open late night. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yeah, we're looking. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So II under, I understand that the neighborhood doesn't want

[68:05] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: or that. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: But that's not what the district is trying to attract. Yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: no, it. It was. It's a mess. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: you know, between, you know, those 2 right next to each other. II think one of them's University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: we're going away. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: You probably see it. Yeah. we sat down here with. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yeah, but you choose to shut down early, but a lot of the business owners University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: would like the opportunity to go till midnight. 1210'clock University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: until 20'clock every night anymore University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: depends on the shell.

[69:01] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: This is a good discussion, and I would University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: encourage commissioners to take a look at the data that's available and start looking into those things. I have a feeling that University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: that kind of background information and research that we can be able kind of handy. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Maybe it won't. I'll roll the dice and say, I'll be optimistic that next Thursday things will maybe go the direction of the hill. But if it doesn't, you need to be prepared. And I think you're right. It's quite likely. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: anything else on that particular University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: we can talk about this for a decade. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Are there any restrictions about signing up to speed at a meeting? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I mean. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: we could all sign it separately. If we wanted Rachel, it's gonna be

[70:07] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: yeah, it's a public meeting. So but since you haven't had necessarily a formal board action regarding a a commission statement you'd still be speaking University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: as a resident or interested community member. Not as a University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So we. It's too late for us to have a commission statement correct? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Well, it's not University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: because we would. Yeah, we're not allowed to approve anything over email. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So I would say, it's too late for a formal commission statement. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: if University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: you all could up there and set similar things, and you like. I am a member that you can't see. But I'm speaking as a blah blah blah, and then there were, and then, you know, the

[71:09] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: council would be able to put these consistent message exactly University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: contradictory things. Then that would send a different message to counsel. They put the pieces together and be like, oh, there's not consensus University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: among those individuals either. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: but we we do not. Yeah. We don't have the time to put together a formal in writing statement University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: sense, and so signing up for the public hearing for next Thursday opens up on Friday of this week.

[72:00] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Correct. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: he said. You know, limit the number of speakers. So it's a lottery situation too many. Yeah, if too many folks University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: which could also lead to a decision to University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: table it. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: move to move, move to a third reading, so folks can University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: participate in the process. So that's the downside of of University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Too much participation. I and I guess I shouldn't say Downside, but that is, that is a possible outcome of too much participation from both sides is then council could be like, oh, we haven't had a chance to hear from everyone. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: We need a third reading. So University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: so it's channeling Friday afternoon, right? And it opens.

[73:04] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: do we? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Here we go. Sorry advanced sign up is required. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Meeting is not available. I think it might be on the next open to 8 Am. The Friday prior to the 2 Pm. The Wednesday before the meeting. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: 8 am. So you know they also can. Does it tell you how many people have signed up? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Well, if there's but I mean sorry it's general. So what you could do is if if you see a lot of folks already signed up by Tuesday? Then it's like, Okay, we don't. Wanna

[74:00] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: and I I'm not gonna tell you your strategy. But sure. So if you set up super early, then University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: it's a lot of people do that. Then there you could have a lot of participation that leads to a third meeting. So it's more than 20 people sign up the clerk's office will randomly select 20 individuals University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: for this meeting is University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: okay. Well, that's University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: that's all very helpful. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: hmm! University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I think it's likely that I will not be University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: so. Okay. Well, then, maybe maybe I will. I'm gonna reach out to Andrew, who's not here actually to see what his status would be. I was planning on signing up to give a very brief

[75:02] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: statement and support, of course. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: so another fresh face. Strong opinions. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Okay, in in along the same lines, you know, no matter what we're dealing at new council at some point here, and it sounds like we'll have Uli findings that that Council will be considering. I would like to has an open matter for the Commission to consider getting somewhere on the schedule to perhaps do another walking tour with council, like we did a couple of years ago, 18 months ago. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: in in relative adjacent to when they might be getting that new information. So that it's there's a relevancy to visiting the location with commissioners. And then they're also getting a study. That's a part of all that. I kind of leave it to city staff to help us navigate what that looks like from standpoint, timing and scheduling.

[76:23] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Oh, yeah, it's not a little bit of history would be good. But I think we're we're past that point. Yeah, we're we're on the critical issue and knowledge University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: phase. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: quick education. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I appreciate that, and I think it would be good for everyone to be able to just do a site tour, anyway, at the point which we do it. We're either going to be dealing with. How it's about to open or has just opened probably is for how I'm imagining that. That's fantastic, because we can use that as a launching pad for what we would imagine. Maybe tourist traffic to be

[77:05] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: up the hill and towards the area of development that we're proposing, considering doing studies on. So. anyhow. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So let's plan to work with Matt. So that took a couple of months strategizing to get a district. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Yes, we would. We might end up. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I'm completing University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: formalizing one you can't see meetings, and this is something that we talked about doing with all the dids, having one of the meetings focused on an actual site tour assessments. That we could incorporate just to have it be a regular special meeting. On site.

[78:01] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Given the potential changes to how commissions would be formed, it may make sense to include the city manager or related staff to your certainly, I mean, we can invite folks. It's the it's all about the everything else they got going on, and even not even best link plans. Things that come up to the last minute. Right? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Okay. And one other thing I wanted to ask about is pretty minor, and I don't know that anyone will have an answer. But I'm curious about that. There have been discussion of wayfinding signage at the hotel that we people towards the hill. I think right at that entrance? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: near the gas station. Essentially. Is there any movement on that? Do we know what the status of that is? University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: II can't remember when and why that conversation fell off, but it was University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: the hill boulder and Ddp. We're really meeting, so I'm happy to follow up with them and just see.

[79:11] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: get a better sense of why that that didn't move forward, or if they're still planning something. Yeah, time is not it? It feels like. That's one of those projects that if we could try to get momentum on, this is the moment right? We should get the momentum going. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: If it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen, I guess, but if there's any possibility of that happening, this would be. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: we got a stroke in there. It's hot. Once the once the developers left. the signage is much harder in the life. But yeah. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: well, then, they might be thinking something as simple as what Vvp is done downtown on the Pearl Street Mall. There's these little signs. They've attached light poles, say older History Museum this way, and and Duchampi House this way, and so it's not. It's it's their plastic. It's a bit less sophisticated. They're not

[80:01] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: long term permanent, but do create a and that they don't say this way. It's a 5 min walk this way. So that might be what was being contemplated. To kind of complement the work that they've done downtown. Yeah, I just didn't heard anything about in a while, and it occurred to me that by the time we meet next it's too late. So University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: yeah, let me ask about the thanks. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Those are the 2 things I had top there. Any other matters from the Commissioners. you know. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Alright University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: I'd like to thank City City City City staff for this meeting. We've talked about a lot of important issues. Hopefully, we'll have more ahead just like this. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: So our next Commission meeting. We decided to be on January ninth, at 4 pm. And with that.

[81:01] University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: not seeing any hands up, we're going to adjourn this meeting. University Hill Commercial Area Managment Commission: Awesome, cool. Great. Thank you very much. Thank you. Very glad to get done earlier.