November 8, 2022 — University Hill Commercial Area Management Commission Special Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] Perfect alright. Great. So the roll call started recording them. Uh, good morning, everyone. Welcome to the You can't see. Retreat. Um! It is Tuesday, November eighth, and I will call role. They are all. Look worry here, Trent, Bush, Ted Rockwell and Andrew Schumacher turn it back over to our chair. Alright, We have a couple of procedural items that we need to take care of. Um. First item is approval of two minutes from the July fifth meeting, and the September sixth. Okay, Um. Any items that they saw in either of these minutes that be changing.

[1:01] And uh the term of my uh, um, uh, Well, just the the actual term on the Commission itself is incorrect. Um, it it's it's showing me is expiring in twenty twenty-four. I think. Um, that's true, and I think it. It's twenty, twenty, five, or six. I'm not even sure. I I want to point that out as something that should be corrected. So, Lisa, please, can you follow up with, Uh, John in the clerk's office? Confirm. Good. Okay, Ted. I. Do have two thousand and twenty-six. Is that your it says twenty twenty-four here, but two thousand and twenty-six Sounds correct. Right? I have two two quick edits um on page eight of the packet. It's the uh seven, five meeting. There is a um

[2:08] find it, it says. Oh, it it, says shoemaker, advised against this action. And can you insert after that at this time. Yes, that's a good add, Andrew. Thank you. And then um on uh nine, six on page thirteen um uh it's uh where's the shoe maker? Said he doesn't like what the City Council is doing uh it. It's true, maker, said he. Doesn't like the reduction in the general fund contribution, and would not support approving the budget if asked to vote at this time,

[3:03] and you would like that, so that that revision I described right Now it says shoemaker, said he doesn't like what the city Council is doing, and does not support approving the budget. And I think what I said was, uh I I didn't like the reduction in the general fund contribution, and if in if we were going to vote on it, which I don't think we did um, I wouldn't support approving the budget. It was the question posed was, Should we vote on it? Right? Yeah. And I believe the reason we did info is because we hadn't actually seen the budget. That was seven, five, and then for seven, and then for nine, six, I think we're which we're on. Now. Um! I I think we had seen it at that point, but then we decided we didn't need to vote on it. We were not required to vote on it, and I think we chose not to vote on it is that. But the key is

[4:07] yeah, but the key for me is rather than just generally saying, didn't like what the City Council is doing being specific about what the concern was. That is, the reduction in the general fund contribution other than that i'm Good. Make a motion to accept the procedural items with edits as proposed. I Second. Oh, okay, there, bye. And so that includes the All right. Thank you.

[5:00] Um. We have nothing on the cons consent. Agenda. Correct man is from step. All right. First thing on management staff. We have thek here from transportation mobility to present an evaluation. Update the K over Tel, if you can. Here it goes, hey? Thanks, Chris. It's just uh working on that there Good. Well, thank you. Everyone I really appreciate the time uh to talk with you about our latest uh e scooter evaluation and program the pilot program that we've been going through over the past year. Um! You may recall that I was uh I had attended uh. You can't see meeting. Oh, maybe about two years ago or so we were working on discount zones and um all things micro mobility at the time.

[6:07] Well, you know, since then, Um, you know, City Council had um basically direct staff to include E. Scooters as part of its shared micro mobility program. And so for the past year. Um, i'd say August seventeenth, through August thirty. First, We've been monitoring the program and uh collecting utilization data, talking with, uh committee members and I have a short uh presentation to to share with you, and we'll kind of get down into the specifics. I just want to again. Thank you for your time, and you're gonna put It's really important to us as we move forward um with analyzing the program. So just give me one second, and i'll pull that up.

[7:13] Moving real slow for me today. Here, Okay, there it is all right. Okay, Can everybody see my screen? Okay. Yeah. No, Yes. Yes. So everything is moving slow today. Here. Okay? Um. All right. There now, you should have the full screen. Is that right? Okay, Great? And um. And so Andrew. Um. This will be your second time seeing this presentation as you're a part of the downtown uh older partners Policy committee. Um. So thanks for um hebering me again here today as we talk about um Sh! These screws. But you're gonna see a lot of the same information that we talked about earlier. Um, But yeah, let's get started here, so I just want to start with, uh, why we're doing this the whole purpose of the program, and i'll just read it, and you it's essentially to provide community members a safe, equitable, and sustainable form of transportation to improve quality of life, provide connections to transit and keep destinations and replace motor vehicle trips to reduce traffic ingestion

[8:22] transportation related greenhouse gas emissions. Now that is the overall goal for the cities shared by a mobility program which is comprised of both um shared E-bikes and shared East goods at the time, and uh it Sorry. Okay, and uh, and, as you know, be cycle is our our shared Ebi provider, and has been for ten years. Um, and fortunately um! We got a little help this past year, and are now working with uh b cycle corporate, uh, which is a subsidiary of trek bicycles.

[9:00] Um, who is um essentially operating the overall system. Now and then we head went ahead, and Um did a a Rfp. And selected Lyme as as our Esther Provider. And so um again. What? When we went to city Council, they said, Dk: Let's go ahead and try these scooters in the program and see how it works. Um, but you know, let's do it in in a a pilot area to see how it works, and if it's the right fit that, you know this is a good fit for Boulder, and and so they chose um east of Twenty Eighth Street, so east of twenty, eighth um south of Jay Road in north of Table Mesa Road. Um has been the um, I should say. South Border Road has been sort of the pilot area Service Um area pilot program service area, and before we we um began the program we identified several evaluation criteria that we were going to use to um come back a year later and talk

[10:01] with our transportation advisory board, with our stakeholders like you and with city council. What has been the outcome of this one year pilot and and just to name a a a couple of really important ones. Safety um equity and mode shift as well as I guess, community feedback and sustainability. Those are really, you know, rose to the top, and some of the things that we know we wanted to measure, because there's there were a lot of concerns around the safety Um. In the early days of e scooters the durability of the equipment and um, And how how do these programs work um for traditionally under served neighborhoods. And what kind of shifts are we seeing? Are Are people taking scooters instead of driving? That's an important thing for transportation. And then what about the sustainability? How many you know? Pounds of um greenhouse gas savings are we seeing each year? And And what about those scooters? How long are they lasting in the in the market? And then, finally, how does our community feel about it? And so and that's what really is comprised of the evaluation report today.

[11:04] Then here's just a quick snapshot of where we are in the process. Um, As I mentioned way back in October, two thousand and twenty date. Um console. So go ahead and add scooters. We selected our venue sorry, our vendor, and then we commenced operations for one year, and now Here we are in October, November, and we're sharing the key findings from the draft Evaluation Report with our community stakeholders and that list below, as all folks that we have um coordinated with the past on, and who were coordinate with um soon. Here, too, Shit It's quite great. Some might have been your computer. Maybe you have a call or something that

[12:00] he's still on the call. If you can hear us, we can't hear you. Yeah. Um, Okay, Then that's fine. Chat three. I Yeah, Yeah, I'm not. I'm. I'm. I'm It's too many. That's all right. Now I take. I live with them. I take a long time. I'm super interested in being able to ask the accident, because it looks like a really low rate. But then two of the four happen on university property

[13:12] and only fifteen percent of riots originate there. So we say it. It's it's it's it's. It's it's it's also, you know the pilot programs East of twenty i'm a great team, and i'm i'm not tempting now. So there was two accidents. I still think it's you probably came from um. Did you hear me again. I can hear you. Oh, my gosh! So strange! Um! I got completely kicked out of of zoom here, but I am back.

[14:00] I'm so sorry for the interruption. Um, let me go ahead and get back from the current side here, and so you can see my screen and everything, too. Not yet. Okay. And let me see him. I got it. I got a zoom on my end, and then we made it a co- for center. You are a coast. Okay? And then here, let's see again. There we go. There you go. Okay. Well, good morning, hey? Thanks for your patient with me with this snap food. Here. Um, let me get back to the current slide. My whole computer is moving really weird and slow today. So okay, Well, where I was. Um, Essentially, This is the list of stakeholders that we've been talking with, and a lot of folks have provided us with some really good feedback moving forward with the program.

[15:09] And And so the next step here, after we talk with Council in December, is to take our proposed next steps and then integrate those into the program to formalize operations essentially, and that'll happen in first quarter of two thousand and twenty three. Okay, Now, now, what are we seeing out there? Um: So Obviously, we've been out in the field. Um monitoring this, you know the doubtless nature of um. The East gooder program lends itself to some challenges. There's also some benefits to it. Um! I'll start with the benefits first. The benefits is that um from a convenience factor for the the user you can get um to your destination almost to the front door of your destination, and you can always find an e scooter that's closest to you. Um, but the trade off is that a lot of the times the scooters are um not parked well, and so they're left in places that impede the sidewalk or multi-use path

[16:07] um, and and which is of most concern, is when they block the sidewalk for people with disabilities. Um! And so um! There's different ways to deal with this um from a dockless versus nature. So we don't really have these types of problems with be cycle because they're all docked at a um at a station, as you can see in that um top left uh photo There, now, those that those these scooters that you see there are deployed, and they're deployed there on a daily basis. And so they're parked in that manner. But when they're finished with the ride they can be anywhere in the in the pilot program area east of Twenty Eighth Street. So that's one of the things that we need to work on. But let's jump into a little bit more. The themes of what we're hearing. Okay. So the city put out a questionnaire. We got over a thousand responses back. I think that might have been a um a record for our be heard Boulder program, and people are very passionate about this people. Um lot of folks love them, and a lot of folks um

[17:10] don't love them. And then I also put out a questionnaire to their customers. We have had numerous inquire Boulder reports, and then, of course, direct contact with our city and in in Lyme staff. And so again those major themes um, you know, blocking the sidewalks multi-use paths people have seen abandoned these scooters and ditches and creeks. Um. But then there's also appreciation for the for the program, and that there's a new way to travel around Boulder. There is a convenience factor to this there's an alternative to driving um. People have been frustrated with their inability to travel west of Twenty Eighth Street on an e scooter, so they haven't been able to complete their rides. Um! And then, uh, there's also concerns around aesthetics, and they appear as clutter, not being utilized or gathered in one location.

[18:03] And so it's really been a mixed bag of, you know, people loving them and appreciating the new. All fun, alternative mode of transportation. But then they come with some um, some of the some of the problems, the challenges that we just discussed to let's look at utilization, all right. So um currently. Now we started off with two hundred e scooters in the field, and since that time um we've seen demand rise for them, and so we've increased the supply. We have a demand base cap methodology associated with the program. So when they hit a certain mit ctl and um number of rides per device per day, Lyme is able to increase the number of E. Scooters in the market to satiate that demand to provide that supply to meet, demand one hundred and fifty. And so currently we've got three hundred and so over that past year from uh, August, seventeenth, two thousand and twenty-one through August, thirty-first, two thousand and twenty-two we saw one hundred and fifteen thousand trips, and or one hundred and seventeen thousand seven hundred miles traveled

[19:10] um overall through the course of the year, and this This includes, you know. Obviously, winter, when um rides are much lower, and you can see that spike there in that graph um below the dips in the valleys, if you will, are the spikes in the valleys. Um, where during the winter you utilization goes way low, and then it begins to creep back up with spring, and then when school gets in session there's a spike again. And so students are are are definitely um comprised of of of of the users uh for this program. And so over out throughout the course of the year, we see about one point five rides per device per day. This is actually not bad for um a city like Boulder. What we do have colder months, and for a long time with b cycle. Um, you know, there there were times that we were lucky to see um one ride per bike per day. Um, so it's not bad. Um! So these are really short trips that people are taking, as you can see. Um, they're about one mile.

[20:12] The bike trips are typically about two, two to three miles, and so people are really using this for these short trips to and from campus to get to the grocery store to direct, to run errands um for fun. There's a recreational value to this um as well, and then um over the course of the year there was about twenty-six thousand pounds of greenhouse gas savings, and that's that's the equivalent to that is about burning over a thousand about one thousand three hundred gallons of gasoline, just to kind of give you a the context of how of how many pounds of greenhouse gas emissions that is. And then you know again, one of the most important criteria here that we're looking at was the safety piece,

[21:00] and over the course of the year we had four um moderate, two severe crashes, and those were both reported by are reported to the Boulder police department and see you Boulder Police department, two of those occurring in the city right of way, and and how how we characterize this was. If the person went to the hospital. Had the ambulance brought to them to the hospital. We characterize that as a moderate to severe um crash. Honestly, we we really thought the numbers were going to be a lot higher. There have been more than just four crashes. There's been a number of other um lesser degree of injury. Um! Crashes that have happened in total. We've we've been. We've documented seventeen crashes over the year. Um, but then again, um thirteen of those being minor injury like a scrape or a bruised ankle, or something to that effect.

[22:01] Um! The severe crash is something that's incapacitating where someone has gotten hurt. They've had a head injury, or they've broken an ankle or a risk or something to that effect. Okay. But there's a number of attributes our aspects of the program. We think of. Why, we've seen fewer crashes in what was previously, I guess, expected, and just to name a few of those, The durability of the device has changed a lot at the very beginning of the E scooter mania, the the the you know, the beginning of the industry, the the the scooters were. We're not as of high quality. They were made of um cheaper materials, and they would break um pretty easily, and also the device itself wasn't as robust. It had smaller wheels. It had a shorter wheel base. Some of them didn't have a back breaks. He only had front breaks, or vice versa. And so the the really the the quality of the E. Scooter when it first came out, was just not there. And was it when it would easily succumb to a lot of the conditions of the roadway.

[23:09] And then. Now, there's also this user familiarity. We've had these scooters in the Us. Now prevalent in many Us. Cities for over two years. People are familiar with them now. They've There's a learn behavior with with these, and then we've also had some technological advances in terms of the device, and how it interfaces with the with the customer, the app itself. We we require that all first time users um go through a training ride where they could only go eight miles per hour instead of the normal fifteen miles per hour. We think this really helped. A lot of first time would be crashes um that people were able to go slower and learn how it maneuvers, and each time a person takes an e scooter trip their safety improves um with each trip, and then also a couple of other things that we think Um contributed to um the safety factor, and that is

[24:08] um boulder has very good infrastructure from a bicycle perspective. Uh, we've got bike lanes and multi-use pass. It's certain that you know go through all throughout the city and we also have, uh, you know, essentially this network where people can, you know, be separated from traffic. Um, there are some limitations, though, because people riding scooters don't want to be necessarily next to traffic. They don't want to be integrated with traffic, and we're going to talk about that in a second. But The last thing, too, is um folder drivers our custom to seeing people walking, people, biking people, scooting mit ctl, and And so there's a higher cognizance and awareness of vulnerable users on our roadways than it would be in a lot of other cities where the numbers aren't as great one hundred and fifty. Okay, So let's take a look at where people are going. Um! So again, this is the um, the overall service area here, and you can see there. They are just about going everywhere. That's that. That purple, That dark purple spine coming down the middle is Thirtieth Street. That's the primary core corridor that folks are writing screws on today,

[25:16] but really they are penetrating every valley, road, multi-use path, neighborhood people are utilizing these things throughout the entire service area. Um, which is a a good thing, and that um folks are using it for transportation and also for recreation. And then let's look at Trip starts. This is really interesting. Then you take a look at basically these polygons here indicate where the trips have started on an E scooter. And again, that dark purple represents the highest number of trip starts, and they're all along that Thirtieth Street corridor,

[26:00] and I've specifically um identified some of the importance of this location as part of this study, and that we are looking at equity, and we've got five um traditionally under served neighborhoods to the north or Orchard Grove, San Jose Central, San Lesaro, and the vista and park side um villages. Utilization has been pretty good up there. It's difficult, or it's hard to discern. If people who are actually living in those neighborhoods are using the device. However, it does indicate, though those trip starts are happening within those neighborhoods. The reason why I I mentioned that caveat is because our um affordability program that we offer to people who are disadvantaged. Um has a little participation, but that could be for other reasons like, for you know, not having documentation necessarily, or not wanting to expose themselves and to to remain private. They can still use the app, and they can still use the the the the the service, but it's been low.

[27:03] Um, and then the other um locations are the shopping center, the twenty-nine street mall that general area the whole foods um where Home Depot is, and and you know kind of just that whole commercial area on Thirtieth Street. That's a major destination. If I was to show you trip ends. It would look very much like the trip starts. That's why i'm not sharing it with you. Because there's not too much of a difference because of those trips being only one mile in nature. And then the other two areas of the system we wanted to focus on was the impact to see you. Boulder, recognizing uh that, uh, the demographic of user was typically um someone who's younger um white and affluent um, And that's what we've seen in there in other cities. Um, a little different here, and that the the primary user is below the Median income level here, and we think that's attributed primarily to students. And so what we've been finding is that there's a lot of uh, back and forth between. See you, Boulder East campus and see you Boulder Williams village area. There's a big activity center over there, too. There's a lot of shopping and restaurants and dining, and what not coffee shops, and

[28:14] and so that's a major pool. But what they're trying to do is get to main campus. And so the beginning of the program We saw a lot of scooters that were getting stacked up on Baseline Road right at the Twenty Eighth Street overpass and line would go out, and then rebalance those scooters. And so um we know that they are trying to take that scooter to get from Will Bill over to campus, and then in between East Boulder campus and to the main campus there's a lot of shuttling back and forth that's occurring there. Alright, Yeah, let's talk about um a little bit about the mode shift. This is again like I mentioned an important thing from a transportation perspective to these things really have an effect on um displacing motor vehicle trips. That's from the transportation perspective. There's other recreational reasons why we we think this could be important for folks to have fun to visit, to visit Boulder to see Boulder, by E. Scooter versus seeing it by a car, and what not.

[29:16] But there's two things I Wanna I want to capture here with this with this chart. You're probably already grasping it. Nearly half of the people Um would have taken a a motor vehicle, and and then we look at the yellow um. That's I would have driven a car, and we look at the that like the aqua blue. I would have used a ride healing service, so I combine both of those, and got the the nearly half of those um trips basically have displaced the vehicle. Now, we're also display displacing active transportation. Um, which is a concern to some degree. And so, if you look at the pink where I would have walked, people are choosing an E. Scooter to get to the destination rather than walking in the same with bicycling.

[30:01] So there's a a real convenience factor here, and and we don't know the health, the person that's necessarily using it if it's taking away from um from there, from from their health on a daily basis and whatnot. But what it does represent to us is that um people are looking outside of vehicle for transportation and um, and it's these scooters are obviously a bit faster than walking. Okay? And then um! We looked at. Where are Where is everyone writing? And you'll see that Um! And you were in? So participants were able to respond to multiple choice here. That's Why, you see the high numbers here? Um! And so uh two hundred and six people said that they often ride and by claim um. A lot of folks will ride on residential low traffic streets uh, and then a lot of folks right on the multi-use path. But then there was about one hundred and forty seven people who wrote on sidewalks.

[31:04] And right now the the view code uh prohibits people from using electric vehicles on sidewalks. And so, if they responded with saying they wrote an as I. Well, we asked the people why, and and these are the top three reasons: essentially people feel exposed. They don't feel safe in a in a conventional bike lane. Um! They feel that they are um vulnerable to distracted drivers, and just don't feel comfortable, and so they ride on the sidewalk, where it's more protected. There's also this convenience of being able to travel by directional on one side of the street. If you're on a sidewalk. So if you have a destination that's close to you. Well, you're not going to probably go across the street, hop in the bike lane, travel the the direction you need to go across the street again and to access that destination. You're just going to stand that side of the street and go up the sidewalk. And then again, sometimes people um complain that there was not a bike facility at all in the street.

[32:03] Okay, so. Um, i'm just about wrapping up here. I just want to reiterate kind of where we are in the process, and then I just have a a few questions for you to help um inform our proposed next steps, and here they are. Are there any observations in the pilot program you like to share? And do you have any suggestions to refine the overall. Thank you for your time. I have. I have a couple of questions, maybe at better observation questions. Um! The The four accidents to them that occurred with on seed boulder property. Do you know, if those originated on you older property as well, I don't know I we actually um we Haven't tracked that if they uh

[33:01] it's it's it's it's a possibility. It could be a combination if they started in the public right away, but ended on Cu property or started and see you. And then in the city right away. Not sure. Okay, Um. It seems like the crash rates really really low. Um! And and I think you said something to that effect. It was unexpectedly low. What? How does it compare to other areas of you know cities of our size, right? So the the national data that we're seeing shows a higher crash rate. Uh, and that was some of the early earlier data. Um, I There's a lot of. There's a lot of studying that still needs to occur. Um, As this program has evolved a lot of the data that we have and are able to reference. This point shows that there was the much higher crash rate. So, for example, when we first started looking at the Eskooter program um throughout the us within a period of two years. There was some twenty-seven fatalities in these Scooters charity scooters

[34:01] and I and I compared that to um bike share fatalities where there was only four in the past ten years. And so that was the pause for concern there. Um and uh, and so we're able to put these regulations in place, and all these other causal factors, I think that brought it down. But ours is particularly low. Um, The data is not, I guess, sufficient at this point in terms of what's happening in other cities. But it's much lower than the start of the program that that helps. So The other thing that i'm wondering about is the affordability program. Um, and whether there's any thought there on how to help it address that. It seems like there's a low uptake in the affordability program. Um. And so that's maybe an observation of suggesting that maybe some work happened there. The other thing I noticed on your great like uh functions and dragons map, whatever that thing was. The yeah. What are those were? Um,

[35:06] It seems like there's an opportunity on a wrap up, they wrap up a corridor to improve that corridors, uptake in terms of scooter. Usage Um! There's some light purple out there that could be a great connector to the other, at least older. You know campus as well as Twentieth Street malls. This just another observation there. But as it relates to the Hill. The reason i'm asking about um whether whether it originated uh on Sue property, and whether those accidents for something, and then also pairing with the observation that people feel more comfortable on sidewalks. If this gets deployed in other areas of city like the hill, I think that's something that will need to be addressed. Um. One thing I've served in the way that uh people are answering the questionnaire about how they use scooter is that they're not necessarily seeing the rules applying to them. Uh, we have a a long history of bicycle roles in this town, and bicyclists are known to make sure to stay in their bike, lane and signal, and all these things.

[36:12] Um! It seems like because of their scooters, somehow. There's a less of an understanding that there the rules apply. Um. And so I would imagine, if we deploy in the hill where there's a really young population um that will can continue to see that kind of behavior. And so, while I'm really in favor, the numbers look amazing uh in terms of number of car riots reduced in the amount of carbon emissions that we'd be able to reduce. I do have some concern about that particular population following roles appropriately, not doing things that might be unsafe, and the observation, I guess, for for you would be. There may need to be a a an uptick in public education, or i'm not even sure what that Maybe that's your job is to figure out. How How do we press the the safety issues combined with? You know. Um.

[37:07] The fact that there are roles in place that should be followed uh, for these kinds of vehicles. So I do. No, no, thank you, and i'm not sure who was speaking. What was your name? Ted? Ted Rock. Well, my Ted, yeah, thank you for that comment. Um, if if you don't mind if I if I do talk a little bit about that, because that's something that has been um on our minds, and something that we're looking at. Um, because we we call these sensitive areas if you will. Um. So both the hill uh the you know the whole um central area General improvement district uh of Cu. These are sensitive areas where um you know, e scooters on sidewalks could present an issue to these locations where there's high pedestrian volume. So there's a trade off from being in the street to being on the sidewalk where you're impacting um pedestrians. And And so, while education is going to get us some, you know

[38:06] some place it Really, I I think our best ability to manage the program is through Geo. Fencing. So these E. Scooters all have a little Gps device located within them, and they govern basically where those vehicles can be operated, we can um lower the speeds on them like right now. The Max speed limit on on a E scooter is fifteen miles per hour. We can bring that speed limit down to eight miles per hour if we need to, and we could also restrict where they're able to go. Now what you're looking at on the screen. Here is the University Hill bike. Dismount, zone, and what we thought we, we, we, what we would consider is creating a restricted riding zone that's very similar to the Dismount zone, and the challenge here is that we want people to be able to go through.

[39:00] But we don't necessarily want them to park within the zones and access the sidewalks. So the Geo. Fencing while it helps it's not accurate enough to discern what is the street, and what is the sidewalk? So you have to create these larger zones where the East gooder might be able to travel through. But a user would not be able to end their ride until they're in a designated parking area outside of that zone, and nor would they have power to the scooter when they're in that particular zone. So our challenges Well, well, how do we get people from main campus through College Avenue and then be able to park on the residual, or in the perfume of the hill, just as an example, without them being able to ride their scooter, have power to their scooter on the sidewalks, because we know that if we do, people will use the sidewalks, and we want to avoid that all together. So we're working out some ways in which we can ge offense. These devices allow um access through a penetration through, but not give them the ability to park or operate

[40:10] in these sensitive zones, and of course, then the education would be on top of that. But a lot of that would be governed through the technology. Thank you. Jk: we we have um. I have to shorten this portion. Um, I I did have one quick question. Um! There was mention of um kind of a breathalyzer component uh it's being thought about, and I just wanted to bring that up as i'm not sure how that would work. But I I I do have a concern about um people consuming too much alcohol and getting on the

[41:04] for sure. I mean that there needs to be a real consideration of the steep part of the hill. That's probably late. Just knowing what we zoom your kids like. Yeah, they bonding middle kind of thing. You'd want to definitely control it. Um, and also with the and people go down on bikes, you know, if if it's not completely clear, you don't know, especially by the new. So I think there's a real safety users around there in particular. Yeah, and I I do um want to speak to Ted's education piece. I think, as we have walkers we have, or higher speed. Um on the sidewalks and um and the scooters uh, I think we do have require an education component, especially with a lot of the younger folks, and and the combination of all of those things to keep our walkers safe. Um

[42:08] as well as as drivers uh to that might unexpectedly encounter um high speed, scooter. But thank you so much for um for this presentation. It's great. Thank you. I really appreciate the time we've just wrapped up the evaluation report, and we have some proposed next steps. I'll send this to to uh Chris and team to share with you to review. We can kind of see where we're where we're heading, and I I welcome any additional input along the way. Um as we uh perform um proposed refinements to the expansion area, and we look at the hill. I'll be in touch with Chris about what kinds of refinement that we are making, and he can voice them um to the board, and then we can. He can be our conduit in terms of um operational considerations, and then i'm also happy to return

[43:08] um within the next six months uh depending, and we can, or even sooner, whenever you'd like me to come back, I can, and we can talk more about um how we can optimize this program. Um, That suits the needs, and it creates a safe environment for the people living and working in this area. Thank you. Thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it. Have a good day. You, too. We'll see you later. Thank you all right. Um. The other items from staff are related to the U. Of I tap grant application. A draft was provided in your packet. We would love to provide the Commissioner's opportunity to buy some comments that applications do

[44:00] so. Um! If folks would like. We are prepared to talk about the the application and go through the content. I want to be conscious of time and make sure that we're um getting into our retreat. Conversation uh it, I guess. First question is, would you like us to dive in more of the content? Or did you have a chance to review the draft? And are you prepared to buy provide comments? I I read through? I saw. Yes, it's okay. Yeah. Alright, So then, uh, we would. We would appreciate any feedback as we are finalizing the draft we have been working with. Um planning uh the housing and human services. Um for the boulder timber, transportation, mobility uh i'm making sure that they're all aware of the intent uh to submit this application. Um, And so we are. We wanting to have it. Be as solid as we can. We have

[45:09] I in the draft uh letter of support. Um. We also we have a We have the letter of support as well. The folder chamber is, uh we willing to provide a letter. We need to get them a draft. Um! So uh would love to be able to submit a letter support from the Commission, if you all the Commission is good with the letters word language. I didn't really have anything in the application that I wanted to adjust. It felt straightforward to me. But maybe there are others who did see something I I read through. It was like this seems to be a good case, for why this would be a good project, but didn't see anything that

[46:11] left out of me as gosh, we need to address this section of it, or something like that. Okay, with this. And yeah, I just had a question. The uh it looked like that. The cost of this is twelve thousand five hundred dollars. Is that right? Is it the only so? Yeah, Andrew. That would be our contribution. The total cost is twenty thousand, but Dr. Clock, if we were awarded Dr. Cock with subsidies. Seventy, five hundred. Okay, Yeah, I mean I I do have a I i'm fine with that amount. I do have a continuing concern, and I just want to, you know, Reiterate that that. Um, Because spending the limited funds we have W. Where I feel like this is a bit premature in light of the since we don't have all the day when, when when those hotels come in, everything is is going to change, I suspect.

[47:15] But uh, but that being said um, I I think uh, I I think this is a worthwhile spend, so alright. Everyone's in support. All right. Um! As long as we can have that reflected in the notes. We don't need a bill per se, but it sounds like we have a nod of a uh unanimous nod of approval of the letter of support. So um we can uh proceed with that. We might want to get a signature from the chairs. Um, So that might. We might get that two electronically between. Now, if you want to include that, I can get this all that great, All right. Well, then, that includes the matters from staff.

[48:02] Um happy to, uh move forward with the right. So do we need to officially join the special. I'm: thirty days only eight minutes behind schedule. All right. I'm gonna share my screen. Then get back to you kind of where we are in the I'm. Sure you have. I just had one question related to Andrew's concern, and I was wondering if each meeting we might be able to get a just a um. Actually, the report that um shows where we are.

[49:05] The money earned from the sale of the law and the spend because we're um with the two. I I think it was. It started at what? Two point seven and then two hundred is already allocated, relaxed with two point five, and then this is going to be out of those funds as well. It might be great to on a on their somewhat regular basis. Just look at where that phone sits financially. Sure so. And as of this point none of the money has been spent. Um. It has been um programmed. So in two thousand and twenty-three we've programmed the two hundred pay in the spend toward developing the the concept um, And so none of that money has been spent, and we want to make sure we're not going to start spending that money, so we're all um feeling ready and prepared to start doing so. And then two point. Five million is currently programmed.

[50:08] We're twenty, twenty-four again. So it's Well, it it. It's uh it's program that we're trying to move as quickly as possible, because we know what's happening with dollars these days is the longer we wait the uh, so that um i'm assuming or or but but maybe i'm wrong. Do we get uh since it's you can seize money. Um, is there? How is that invested? And is there? Um! Is there a rate of return, you know? Is it? Is it a Do Do we get interest at all? Is there? Is it in a bank where we get that um interest rate or otherwise, because, as you mentioned, the inflation challenge on the on the flip side um interest rates, you've gotten pretty good. And so Um, that's you know, on two two million dollars. That's that's significant.

[51:07] That's a great question to Andrew, and we'll follow up and confirm how finances uh allocated those dollars to make sure that any interest that is being earned because we do are an interest on money that's uh sitting in our accounts the the city does. We want to make sure that um interest approved. Uh on these dollars. It's allocated back to the district um as opposed to somewhere else. Thanks. All right. Um, We've already got through many of these things. So we had our special meeting. We're gonna start out with a real quick. Um uh twenty twenty-two here and review um. So I want to have an opportunity to talk about role of responsibilities with commission versus uh staff. Um, and then we can take a break uh folks are are ready or meeting that, and then we can get into our priority exercise. And last, but not uh least on the formal agenda for retreat discussion. We included the questions that we um uh pose to potential mission members. Um like the city clerk's office includes the application, and would love your input, especially based on the priorities that we have for the year and years ahead.

[52:22] Um, and make sure we're we're hit the on those questions. So twenty twenty-two. This is not exhaustive. Uh, this is a uh ten o'clock last night uh uh bullets in list. Um, you know where. I think we're all very excited, Um! And I my screen, but not the screen excited in anticipation of the University of the hotel. Uh, finally, It's not a big hole in the ground anymore. Um, A lot of progress has been made this year. A lot of challenges associated instruction impacts um impacts to Broadway. And hopefully, those are over.

[53:06] Um! And so it's. It's something to be excited about in station or um uh early twenty twenty-four, and it's the Now for that project. Um! We've completed the Fourteenth Street lot analysis with Eps, knowing that there are limitations to that conversation that we're all one step along the way to better understand possibilities for that uh last district owned asset. Um. Vitality was instrumental in uh leading the charge for an after dining pilot program which affects all of the city. Um, but we do have a number of participants. Um, uh on the hill. We had had a number of participants, I think now we have the corner. Um! Are there? Are there any others on the hill currently so that had applied? But then they built their own patio, so we will have another application period in February of twenty twenty-three, and we're anticipating a lot of restaurants. We're waiting until that application window, because they didn't see the value and spending money for winter um

[54:19] uh outlay of the progress. So we've got a lot of infrastructure that showed up this morning downtown that foolish Craig salts um sounds like uh, uh. You saw I did so hang on on the whole street of all. And so we're looking forward to seeing that infrastructure to evolve. We will be working with the corner to make sure that they are getting into compliance uh with the Uh design standards, because they still have their and uh pandemic uh era uh infrastructure up there, and we are. Our Our program does stimulate some more uh permanent safer, uh, more aesthetically looking. Uh,

[55:03] we have the ambassadors on the hill. That was something that started in, of course. Twenty, twenty, one uh we had our first full year, and we are working with the University to expand the resources for the ambassador program on University Hill, beginning in two thousand and twenty-three um and so I i'm hoping that folks have been able to notice some presence, and moving forward. Um, i'm hoping that you'll notice additional presence, and we'll be able to talk with ched when he arrives at eleven. Um about his intentions there he's. He's also very interested in making sure that we're building better connections between the downtown boulder uh partnership and the work that they do, and the the vision that you all in the business community on the hill has uh moving forward, we uh we're able to secure uh twenty thousand dollars in support. Uh, for the hell of Boulder Merchants Association. Through our both funds I get that. I'm not right. I think it it was. Yeah we had. We had already had budgeted, and then our twenty twenty

[56:10] three requests is twenty thousand, so we are in the adjustment to base, and the Arpa conversation that we have here with Council the next week, seventeenth, and we're asking for twenty thousand um of the remaining economic vitality arc of funds to support the hill um the Health over Merchants Association in two thousand and Twenty-three um The Hell landscaping project that long last is under way. Um, I know that Reagan uh is that the thing of her existence? And uh working with a a variety of of um, internal and external uh folks to get that project off the ground. And so we've seen some concrete removal, and hopefully I will see some rapid progress, and the weather will cooperate we'll be able to get that project. Um uh wrapped up here in the next month or so.

[57:07] What's the portal it moved. I meant to look. I know it's no longer right. It's a far or west. It's the far west end of that blocked off. And then to look at that. We have really really hoped to not be staging all of those concrete blocks on the hill we were working with. See you, and if we would have been able to get this work started. We had space identified the grand view area, but since uh the last note to see a conference center, we are told um groundbreaking, very likely will be happening in December. Uh. And so they needed us to not be using their space. Um, as that work is under way. We are now targeting uh mid twenty-five uh opening for the So that is my uh real quick, high, level, overview of of all of the things that have been underway um on the hill, and we'll continue to want to build a um uh, and think about as we move into twenty twenty-three, and identify our priorities uh from here.

[58:19] So with that um I want to get into a conversation regarding the rules and responsibilities between the Commission and staff. Um, we do not have to spend a lot of time on this, but I want to make sure that the Commissioners are all feeling uh very well aware of the boulder revised code language as it pertains to the universal Commercial Area Management Commission. There are three primary roles that are communicated in the water device, code, and that is one that you all provide recommendations to the City Council when they are acting as order directors of the General Improvement District, to provide parking and related improvements for you to

[59:00] um. I think we all spent a lot of time in that, so I don't know that I don't think that's nice to you? Um, but uh, I want to make sure that we're on the same page uh second an addition in the mid eighty s I believe, was um uh adding an advisory role to the city Council regarding the overall health and welfare of the commercial area and immediate adjacent areas. And again, I think that we all we do spend a significant amount of time thinking about and working to communicate to council um issues and concerns in that area. And finally, there is a requirement that you recommend, or one of the tasks or responsibilities, to to recommend a budget to the city manager. Um, and therefore the city council. This, and the the City Council acting as the board of Directors of the General for the district. I know that this year we have. There was. There was um uh some hesitation there, based on some challenges with the general fund transfer and overall the shift from our old way of doing the budget to opened up, and so our goal

[60:07] on the staff side this year is to make sure that you're all feeling much more comfortable with first of all, how we um uh report the budget to the community via the open Gov platform, And then continuing this conversation regarding, you know, the general fund transfer and working to increase that so we can feel um like we're on a better trajectory with the fun. Health over time um, and so hopefully in two thousand and twenty-three, we can be able to report to council that uh the Commission unanimously supported and approved uh the recommended budget uh to the city manager question question. On when the two thousand and twenty-four budget would be ready to review twenty twenty-three. Is there

[61:01] a target they so that at the Commission can actually uh review and digest and make significant, you know. Give some some, input, probably. I get. So finance runs over. We will provide our our internal recommendations, so we can provide you a preview of what we're i'm recommending internally. Um, so it's part of the preview at the see, because we need every other month. So the main meeting. Um! We can provide a preview of what we are um recommending to the city manager, and then at the July meeting uh before the July meeting this year. This, that's that's the problem this year is the open up Platform was not ready to go live, and so we were not able to get that to you all before the July meeting, which is typically the meeting that we improve

[62:09] um or recommend budget. And so the All the finance department this year is to make sure the opened up platform is live and um available to you all to review in detail prior to the July. Okay, That was the challenge this year, right is that we didn't have it at that to our meeting. And then September came along, and it felt like things that already happened right um and i'll i'll just note and i'm jumping the schedule here slightly. But if we look at next year's schedule to live meeting is on July fifth, which could be a challenge. Um, depending on people traveling or other things. So we may as commissioners. We. They want to address that head on and make sure that that July meeting is something that we're really prioritizing to ensure that the the budget

[63:02] we don't accidentally cancel the one meeting that we have to, and they highlighted. That was highlighted when we that that that is a a little bit of a concern. Luckily July Fourth is mid week. But um! People do tend to travel around that time. It's the desire of the Commission to schedule that meeting on an ultimate day. We can uh set that in motion. Um, you know, I'm here, you already know here. Yeah, okay. So we uh and yeah, it was it. It was included in your not so as long as you're comfortable. With that Um. Reflect in the notes the importance of of attendance for that, and being prepared for any concerns on your part, Theresa, I again. We're relying a lot on the finance part in their new uh budgeting platform, and the hope is there's going to be today. This year was a big left on a complete uh transition. Uh, they do have additional progress they want to make in twenty twenty-three um We will confirm that it will be live and ready at least at the very least.

[64:17] Um a week in advance of the July meeting, if not sooner. I then all right um moving forward in the in the ball over by, because there are additional um details of the of the elements that the Commission can provide. Um our advise on when it comes to the overall vitality of the area um and opportunities to be involved in um marketing, economic vitality, initiatives and events promoting the area, and this at this point. Um staff really works closely with the hope over. This is why we have Jake come and talk about um. What's going on. They are a key partner at this point.

[65:03] Um over time. I would uh, if you are to spending the downtown, all the partnership becoming more involved in some of these conversations. We're working with them. Part of the are for dollars, working with downtown to partnership on the hill merchants or the help older uh website. So we'll be seeing that website um uh start appearing a little bit more uh it resembling the downtown boulder partnerships uh website. It'll still have its own unique look and feel. But it will have the same level of functionality of the way that people can interact with the site. Um, and that that company has been hired already. Correct any additional on that website. Um, it's gonna launch in December That should have been on our twenty twenty-two uh and last, but not least, we do have in the bowl revised code, a universal mobile bending car permit. Um. Lane is our champion of the bending cart. Permit uh, both in the downtown and on University of. We tend to have a ton of interest in the downtown area. But I don't know that we've had any history of a lot of interest in the university area.

[66:18] The only one that we came up this year is Um, the local florist, one to sell ways during graduation and a help phone to figure it out. And I don't think they ever took advantage, and I would suggest that that's an indication of the level of vitality that people are. Um uh potential. Small business owners or starters are are um seeing in the area where downtown they envision themselves. Um operating a a mobile vending cart. Um, and that does not seem to be the case so much in the University of area. So it's an indicator, maybe of the broader um issue that we will want to um be keeping track of. And hopefully that's what something that might change uh with the uh the hotels opening up as we get more year round. Um visitation

[67:12] and um more. I you know more activity. Good question for you playing. These are um permanent um permits, or can they be temporary? Um say around, then company weekend for the hill? If people want it to do a two or three day perfect or well parents weekend. That would be especially that permit versus a ongoing uh vending cart. We capture a bending cart on the sidewalk. So the bending cart is actually in an annual program. It obviously tends to be heavily done uh summer months,

[68:07] and in our permitted actually states that, like May through September, they need to be out at least four hours a day for five days a week. Yeah. What if if there was to be a getting company pop up. They would need to file for a special event permit, say, like um uh in the Hill Event Street area, and then every one of those vendors would have the city of over sales and use tax license. And the difference there is there is a there is a cost for the mobile vending cart. Permit. It's a greater cost than there is for a special that permit to do something on more of a They still need to be licensed to do business in the city. But yeah, as my suggested, this is a more longer term thing, a business that wanted to to be out there. Um more regularly. This with the

[69:05] I just a quick uh a This is not, for I just throw this out for for Cheryl and others to to think about. Um, because it it came to mind. But I think this year, you know, last year, with that and company, I don't think they had that normal vendor area set up at Cu uh, for whatever reason, and i'm not sure why that was um. But um, you know the hill might think about, since it's a three day concert this summer. Um, uh, you know, inviting what they call Shake down street to uh to the event center area Um! And And so, anyway, I just. I throw that out, and and I don't know. Here, go ahead, you you're echoing exactly what I had in my head, too, that there may be a real opportunity since the University good. What was happening in the Tasks University was like selling parking spots for the shakedown thing to happen, and I think that it got a lot of control in the final year of it, because they were. People were like selling liquor, literally like out of their parking spots. Um, but there may be a real opportunity there to invite the the crafts people, if you will. There's a lot of able to do their own kind of t shirts and stickers and stuff right year. One um

[70:25] we, as I think I don't know. I don't we didn't do it as part of the hill boulder, although I think it's all there was a little involved. We close to the street, and we had crafts. We we close Thirteenth Street and part of college, and we had music. We had um a drinking area or adults and a lot of crafts people. Um! We could certainly get involvement from the hill older it was pretty heavy left. Um

[71:05] for just uh z two um to make it happen. Um! But this this is, you know, the final final we get also. I have been to many fair. There's been other farewell uh concerts. But um! But I do. I do believe that that that could be a really nice thing for the light which um a hotel would be ready by then. But it sounds like twenty twenty-four is so where it's going to be. We'll make sure. We reflect in the notes. Um! The interest around this particular event. I do know that as far as University goes, there were some significant safety concerns. Um. Two years ago there were, I think, we counted, seven overdoses uh so medical emergencies associated with illegal um behavior in the on sanctions. Uh, I gotta take down street. And so they just

[72:09] They just got rid of it all together. The city found out pretty late games uh from the community that really wanted to see a shake up street happen. Um! And we were not in the position to support uh getting something more formal, and we do have a deputy chief rent for here. Um, I know that that if we were to pursue a special work with somebody on a special events, permit. Um one of them. It's sure that we are not uh creating that same situation, and that's been part of the challenge, for I think there are great opportunities. Um! And if we're able to get started with the community partner that wants to make something happen now as opposed to about a month before the event. Um! And uh, I think there's like there would be possibilities whether it's on the hill or somewhere else. Um,

[73:00] if you do know if somebody who is interested in in taking that up. I certainly recommend that they get in touch with the city, and the special events terminated. Um, i'll bring that up for a planning meeting. Diploma has to connect with a people that cover band that he tried to get um about a week before the event that might play in. And then, as you mentioned, see you actively prohibited any kind of shake down the street, and they went so far as to buy up the local church parking lots so that it wouldn't happen at. Yeah. I saw that St. Aid or whatever. So Um, then they actually were resourceful enough to get a contract with the millennium to host it in their parking area, and after some outreach from our city attorneys and our finance department, explaining to them that

[74:00] if they weren't licensed with the city, they would be in violation. They then withdrew. So so we have the Fourteenth Street. We can definitely, you know, sell that for the weekends to see if they'd like to use that as a shakedown area might be easy money for us to have an asset making money during that period without having to shut any streets down so again. Well, I I think we get back to it. If somebody wants to take that off. Um. They need to be starting as soon as possible. There is an opportunity um to create a fun, and well over on to the best of any one's ability. Um: Okay, just to ends up on this we have a meeting about. I don't know. Two or three weeks ago with you. Um! They're entertaining the idea of bringing three extremely large concerts to town next year, including metallica. We're going to wall in entry sort of really extremely large, and then another one um,

[75:05] so that it could be an interesting summer. And then the morning it's getting close to the next year at some point, so that it it Just one other thought on this uh, on this shake down street issue, and that is that, you know, because of the the speed with which you know it happened at the last minute. Um, you know that he was able to to to buy those parking lots, as you said, and prevent something from happening with a lot of planning time, just as as the hill could plan something somebody else could to and um. And last year there was a small small shaked down street. What way off uh out outside of the area, like in the industrial Zone and a brew pub. And that would probably be a bad thing if people started driving to and from um, you know, a a ways from the concert for a shake down street and so forth. So that's just another thought. There may be a safety aspect in having one. It's just, you know. You just got to run it. Well, so

[76:08] maybe that's the blip that we saw on the Polygons for the East Scooter. I was looking at that. I thought that was didn't co weekend right there, and the guy who couldn't agree more. And Andrew, I went to that out of vision quest, and I run my bike out there. But the parking lot It was ridiculous, because everyone pro out there. They didn't really Not a lot of people took their bikes or tried to walk out there because it was foothills in East Perl. Essentially Yeah. So certainly contrary to some other goals that the city has around um safe uh sustainable behavior. Um, I know that our special events folks be at the ready. If if somebody uh pulls something together and wants to propose something, and more time the better, because the plus we get to the dates. More likely the response is going to be unfavorable.

[77:05] The metallica version of so some additional language in the Boulder Rise code around the role of the this specific Commission is making recommendations uh for the creation maintenance of data studies and information concerning the commercial area, or to support enhance the sustainability of the district and commercial area. So this is related to the Eps work and other uh, we do keep and collect a bunch of data related to uh parking um, And then, of course, sales tax data specifically for the commercial areas primary indicator of how things are going. Um, and then occasion will do specific studies. Um, as you all of the past studies dumped into to that. Um,

[78:05] I I think, um, Andrew, you might recall that there have been so many studies. Um sidewalk intercept studies for many, many years. Um! That it would be interesting to see um how things have changed over time when the district was very active, and where it is now, and where we hope it will be in the future. And I think to since the district and the city have spent so much money on studies over the years um and ideas for the sustainability, the financial sustainability of of the district. It would be great to have all of that living? In what place? Right? We will reflect that uh um, additionally uh the language and the Brc. Suggests that the Commission coordinates um with the commercial area merchants uh business and property owners, as well as other stakeholders uh residents, students that and C you, uh,

[79:17] And then topics related to transportation, parking urban design that kind of vitality, promotional activities, communications, and quality of life improvements. Again, I don't think this is a surprise to anybody in the in the Commission, but just wanted to make sure that we're calling it out as we're going to get into our priorities, which range when it comes to the city, we are all here to provide support to you, all the accomplishing um and meeting your applications to city council in your advisory role. Um, including compiling information. Uh, we used to stakeholders uh training and these types of interactions Um. And managing our contracts with consultants like Eps or wherever we're in the future. Um. We'll Possibly we rely on the top grade um to form those studies. And

[80:14] further, um when it comes to the results of all that work when it's when we've done studies. It's been a related to those topics uh that the Commission has input on um. Our Our role is certainly related to the very last one maintenance of any above described types of facilities and improvements located in the public right of way. When it comes to our parking facilities. Um acquisition can be some of them to provide those access facilities. Um other um facilities related to um, making sure that there, uh pedestrian bicycle amenities um things to improve and increase the attractiveness of the district. Um, And it's the programs to encourage the transportation to and from the district other than Uh under occupied.

[81:08] So that's the That's where Tv vitality um picks up the ongoing operations of the district when it comes to making sure that everybody wants to access it can um and things like that uh forestry parks and recreation and transportation ability to uh help the space look um more aesthetically inviting just to list a few things on a very. This is public, or is in the role of the city. The reason I bring that up is because we've talked about way, finding in the district and public card as part of of that I'd say that it certainly can fit within the improvements to increase the attractiveness and convenience of the district um between way finding and public art. We do have a public, our program within community vitality now. Um! And so that's certainly part and connected to the alleyway. Um,

[82:14] and pretty nice yeah enhancements plan. Um. So certainly one that we could explore um in the future. Again, i'd say the limitation for the hills is resources to uh, just the amount of money we have to implement. Uh, um! And if we were to sit down and and do a comprehensive study of, of, of the cost of doing everything that we would like to do within the commercial area, and each of these in each of these areas we would spend a lot more than two million dollars. Can I? I'm gonna have a question about that um in kind of a Andrew's point earlier about increased trek foot traffic from the conference there and the Hill Hotel.

[83:02] How much have we done forecasting to figure out what like what that be um in terms of right. Now we have two point five million dollars where that is. Um. When the Hill Hotel project comes online within a year, what of that tax base Can we count on as a way of us, kind of thinking ahead on the budget? To then address some of these opportunities in these issues? So we have done some budget forecasting to getting an increase in revenues with the Hill Hotel, but with the one point seven mill levy um! It's it's still not a it's not a huge windfall. Um just given the the size of the milk. But there said, you want to speak to anything on our our projections. Um on the I don't know right now. We've got the general estimate right, and I hope for the next year's more. It's developed in terms of what the actual valuation estimate is, and we can certainly build those in and have those in be incorporated in our two thousand and twenty-four budget planning. So that you know.

[84:16] But we're not. We're not talking about it a huge win of all. But it it will. It will be better. Um! But uh, will still be challenged. Yeah, it's all related right. And then the Fourteenth Street lot it it requires. I will play in in order to actually, maybe have a future source of revenue. And so, but understanding the intersection of each one of those is going to be really important for commission to be able to advise appropriately sure another piece of that is our on street partner, where, again, traditionally, the desire is that the the general fund transfers associated with the amount of parking that's generated um on street within the district that took a big hit during the pandemic.

[85:01] Um, it is returning, and so that will be part of our argument, justification for us, and for greater general fund transfer into the district. Um, and as more activity uh it comes to the hill year round, we will anticipate hopefully more on street. Are you for additional uh transfer in this? So we increased the um cost of parking on the hill as opposed to leaving it flat, which is, I think, the recommendation. Um, so. Yes, however. Um Two things I did not include in this language, and it's explicit, and then hold your advice. Notice that the Commission does not get too deep into it. We are not proposing a reduction, certainly, in the based on our our performance based. Pricing the current utilization suggests it should actually be

[86:04] lowering the rates of parking in the district. We know that there's so much going on so much transition that it's not necessarily reflective of uh what the utilization is going to be. Um, and uh the other element there is uh, there is language in the Brc. Related to the city council gets to be the as well. So, even though you all are, are the key advisors on these studies and these types of improvements when it comes to the physical construction of a addition of parking, a city council still reserves the right to be the which is challenging um, and if she softly out, i'm gonna tell project um where I i'd imagine. And I was not here, so whether it wasn't part of this conversation. So the interest of the Commission was to maintain uh parking as part of that project, and council decided that that

[87:03] it's not necessary to to to continue providing public parking at the hotel. It's going to be uh It's say that on our staff side we're going to be following that uh, very closely understanding of having significant. A large hotel with very minimal parking is going to translate some interesting conversations next two years. I don't know how people are accessing the site a sands, a parking garage at the Cu. Conference there until that's complete, and even when it is, is it located uh in signed and and marked well enough to uh draw in the the partners who are trying to access both sites. So uh, certainly something that's on our mind um! And the spam related to the work of the Commission, and how we communicate with council.

[88:00] So with that um we have about forty-five minutes until um folks start showing up for open discussion. I would love to get into uh opportunities uh strengths, weaknesses, and identifying priorities, but I also want to get. I'll take a bathroom. Great bathrooms. There's there are two bathrooms from here to the left, and there are bathrooms upstairs. Books are familiar with bill things I don't. I don't. I don't

[89:01] I've never tempted, and if that's the issue when I I want to be outside, I've made a whole ticket of the recording this. So I have A. You know the display is separate, but it seems like anytime. I try to do something here. It affects them so, anyway. Um! The four o'clock meeting. I'll have that work out.

[90:02] Yeah. The events being I was on, they actually did at least two, thirty to four o'clock in the morning. Make sure that is. Yes, so that's eighty-eight like It's an inch per foot. Now it's gonna be super sad is how long it takes um to to tag it, and

[91:04] if they're marked their Dna. Oh, yeah, okay. How did the How did the Commissioners deal with parking?

[92:03] If you did, you end up paying then to the Um! We are trying. This is our first type of meeting. We're asking to see click on how they are handling, or city council or submissions for meetings here, and they refer their question back to community vitality for people, and then it came back to us. So then, I guess it's It's an ongoing well, first of it by the next round, so it sounds like you. No, only today no, I don't I've road my bike. Oh, so we don't even we didn't even need to worry about. Yeah, Okay. So. But it's still a question for future. We'll just park at the Fourteenth Street lock down about that.

[93:02] It's like the Fourteen Streaml. How much do we make in a month parking there? And whether or not we could in one of that cell spaces or vendors, and such, and make a lots of revenue. I mean it it. I wonder if you know it? I don't know what I what we take in a lot there, but it's time of year. There's that, and I'm always parking there mostly at night, but i'm sure we curdle. The police is here to hear this, but you should be What in the college party there, right like a sanctioned event that has, you know, limited entry with, you know um while we're waiting to figure out what we're doing with the live, We use it for other purposes and try to, You know, generate revenue. And

[94:02] as long as we're on impact. I mean again, the the I mean function as accessibility. So we want to make sure that if we're we're activating the space of not been creating a parking access. Um issue elsewhere in the neighborhood that you're about later. Sure, that would be my only to create through which they will not other than you. Sure, the Fmqb got a huge exemption. But okay, they will not allow you to take out their law addresses. I don't know I wasn't talking about us doing yet, I was saying like. And then the other thing is, our spaces are twelve, fifty for space per day. So you're not gonna raise a whole lot of revenue. Um. And if the city Council actively, let me know that they are reducing

[95:08] alright, Um, let's Let's get through the Commission recruitment questions. Um! So that we can take that off our table. Um! Does anyone have any anything they'd like to see added, or or um have any issues with the these four questions that are added to the questionnaire for commission. Cool. I don't have any issues with before the the fourth point. I'm wondering if you know. I'm I'm just a marketing vacation joker, you know, and having people who have skill on the Hill Commission, and like we're we'll lose Andrew in a couple of years. He has good legal skill.

[96:00] I wonder if there's any sort of question around. What skills do you bring to the role, or you know what what you envision your impact could be, or something like that. Um, but I don't know if that's a bridge too far, for I I've gone through this and That's It's a lot to answer. So i'd love to hear what others think about that. It's sort of five, my my um, and it could be, you know, a numeric evaluation. But um! How how many times in the space of the year do you engage? Um, you know, like are you going to the hill. I can't imagine that too many people would apply for this commission. That didn't understand it, but I I mean, I think that um. It's important. You know how a commissioner, a a a potential commissioner, is currently What if there's something on the of how is your experience relevant to the issues that

[97:09] are impacting the hill or something gets to that answer. But in a broader way, I understand. Yeah, which I think a lot of it be, you know, if it's a obviously business represent right and right. You know. We, I think, require a little more betting. Um, So is there any any uh language that you would um under this. What ideas and strategies do you have to achieve? The goal is that where that might be broadened?

[98:05] That's kind of what I was thinking there in in building up what you were saying. I wonder if it's you know talking about your you know relevance to the work, the future work you may be doing on the Commission, so that we're tying together it. It's it's tough for anyone coming in cold who may know what's going on the help to have specific strategies that are actually in. We can help them right. Given Penguins Economy City with what we can and can't do. And so I wonder if yeah, what experience do you have? It's relevant to this. So what skills for experience you have? And how is it relevant to the work.

[99:04] Yeah, I think that's short and sweet, broad enough that it could, he answered in a number of ways. Yeah, alright, so um, just the words myth, maybe a little bit. So what you need skills just based on all the the conversation. What we need skills for experience do you have to? The to the is the word relevant to. I was gonna say I think relevant should be in there. Yeah, instead of unique. I don't know uh what unique skills and experience do you have? And how is it relevant to the work of the Help Commission? Just because you know someone being, you know i'm a a cloud, and I can do blue and animals. That's a great skill. But how is that relevant to the hill like someone may have a great idea on how balloon animals could really impact the hill. But who knows, uh, but knowing how people are thinking about, this is what I bring, and this is Why, this is relevant to the work that you're doing right,

[100:22] Andrew, to any comments that charity hanging in there. And would she like to, As we move into the discussion on the past, present, future. Um, I want to be sensitive to your how you're feeling today. You want to comment on um, all of those uh at the start of the conversation. Well, and I did provide a link in the chat, Andrew. The second link uh goes to the electronic. This is opportunities and threats your award. If you have used these before, it will be easy if you have not. Um, maybe we will want to have it verbally, and I can report your comments. Um, But it's trying to provide multiple avenue for you to.

[101:15] So thanks for the thanks for the Uh. Yeah. Raising the issue. Cheryl: i'm, i'm fine. Actually, it's weird. I I I came down with symptoms yesterday that were pretty severe. Took a Covid test. No uh uh negative, and I feel much better today. So uh So i'm fine sitting through this. Uh it's really just an issue of not exposing people, I think, at this point, or whatever I had, and um uh, and I don't have any comments on the uh uh, you know. I think that's a good um suggestion from um uh, with respect to the skill set issue and no other comments on the uh recruitment issues, although we are um, i'm assume I um. You know what

[102:01] we in that Maybe we discussed what A. At a different meeting. But well, I guess the question, Chris, what is the W. When do people have to apply. I Forget for two thousand and twenty-three recruitment typically happens in March. Okay, So we've got we've got some time uh and we've just got one opening for next year. Is that right? Correct? Yes, that would be me and the vacant. So Caseyc has been vacant. Um, Cheryl: If we Don't Fill Cheryl's seat. Then she has to stay on in death, and i'm not li about that. I She has the option to stay on uh if the seat is not billed by Co. Cheryl Doesn't have the option to stay on, but we would like to be able to leave her uh give her a little drink before she comes in. So two property owners, basically our two representatives of property owners is that

[103:03] and the Casey was property owner. So that's that's where We've got to recruit alright, and I do you? I mean we may have one property out there. I heard Mark wanted to apply right. I wasn't. I didn't want it. But yeah, it's possible. I don't think you would mind. But yeah, okay, all right. Are we ready to move into an exercise? We are. So we're gonna do some uh speed dating with topics. So we have past, present, future. Um! And right now uh uh opportunities as well, We're not going to talk about uh threats yet. Um, you each get to start at one of those So, Andrew, you can let we'll let you pick first. Which would you like to to start, pass, or sorry um

[104:04] strengths, past, present, future, or opportunities. Is there something I was supposed to be following along with, or is this the second link that I put in the chat. Okay, let me just pull that up, so i'll ask commissioners. Either write down on posted notes and stick them up, or you can take a marker and write them up on the board. Those are um, and we're gonna start in strengths, past, present, future. And then we're gonna spend three minutes, and then we're going to rotate. It's not pulling up for me. Whatever do you want um of strength and weaknesses? We want to. Just you want to speak them, and i'll just write them on the board. Here we go.

[105:02] The thing is, we don't have a lot of time. So that's why i'm hoping. Because if we spend we all chat about the same topic all at the same time, and we're going to burn for a lot of time to try and tackle them individually. So what it as what do we do? Well, are we talking about the hill or the or you can see, or what uh the district district. So you found It sounds like you found the link. Yes, I just pull. I will share as Well, I see that you're in there. Um, alright. So i'm gonna just assign. So, Trent, if you could go past strengths that your presence strengths, share all your future strengths, And, Andrew, you are opportunities so you can double click in the Opportunity Squadron. It'll create a little posted note, and you can type into it um as many things you can in the next three minutes.

[106:08] Easy enough. These are uh for for for future. I'm just going with hopefuls. Yep, Huh!

[108:46] Thirty seconds.

[109:21] All right. Now we're going to wrote um, So everybody is going to move one to the right. So that means that uh trend your own presence. Add your own future. Share your own opportunities, And, Andrew, you are going to be in the strengths quadrant. Um uh thinking about the the past that makes sense. So the past strings so timer's starting again, we we doing all these on past like opportunities, Was that just passed, or was that

[110:07] now? That's opportunities. In general, we're the past is only on strengths and weaknesses. Yeah, you are. Since you're in your virtual space, we're going to treat you a little bit differently. But be thinking about in strengths uh past and strengths. We're still Frank. We're not doing weaknesses yet. So now you have three minutes to review what somebody else is put up there. And if there's something that's missing Um! And actually we're going to it under two minutes, because hopefully, there's not enough. There's not a lot of repeats I just in kind of high level. So um so cheryl um i'll read out some of the opportunities that that Andrew listed. The district is so underperforming that the opportunities seem limitless, the opportunities so our two needs to brought to me with the regional center that maintains and develops the identity,

[111:10] the hotel and see you Conference centers and opportunity and connection to downtown Pearl Street, and there are other opportunities. Um that you want to highlight. I think I my opportunities for also future. So it's so. It seems a little. We this is not to make sure we're not. We're not missing anything. So I feel like everything that you thought would have thought of is already been posted by your previous person, and we're on. We're doing what

[112:50] all right gonna read through these. And now, Andrew and and Commissioners, there's something that's missing.

[113:01] Um! It's. Now speak now or forever. Hold your piece, and then we're going to move on to weaknesses and threats. So past strengths. Strong. Ceo connection. Uh see, you connect with events in sports, highlighted family events, diversity of experiences and businesses, retail angers in the past, including Kingsley or this older mountain here as to leave you bikes, High Wheeler, Ross Ross shippers, and an activity with downtown. She talked about a Cu. Et cetera central location. See you downtown Chicago heritage, slash, history, music, outdoor retailers out there in General um Ski snowboard industry uh bikes, local population, health, familiarity for life, progressive culture, leading city youth, energy, bumpy, three, two beers past strike. I have written down three, two people.

[114:09] Oh, I can't hear you. Well, we're we're We're doing our world cafe report on strength, past, present, future, on the hill. Um! Is there anything missing from the past strengths. Horrible housing you. Wanna You gotta Andrew. No, I think uh, uh, I didn't hear mine. But there, but they were covered by others that were I identical. In fact, I almost put down three to beer as well. Um I The pendulum swings boulder could bring back three to beer in the country, so Andrea has proximated university, and historically, the hill was in a verse regional center with University Ephesus all right uh present strengths. We have keystone businesses sync box at the A. On half our service. It's a gateway, the held to the University and the hell to downtown

[115:12] available retail space. That is a There's A. There's a weakness there, I can imagine. Uh, the Fourteenth Street bot is a present strength. Um brand recognition public transit adjacent music events triple a radio graduation game day. That's the That's the uh radio conference thirty to the indoor and the outdoor stage every August radio and records. We have a cu collaboration. I'm seeing again some good connections between our strengths and and presence, strings, location center of everything renewed interests. City Um. We need interest among the city and the commissions that with the ci just in

[116:06] what's the missing of our present strengths. I'm going to expand on the brand Recognition one that that's a both the strength and a weakness. So the the everyone knows the hell. It's a real strength. There's also a lot of understanding. There's opportunity available that there's a new Conference center, and you will tell happening. So. That's all very positive. But then there's also the negatives that come with that right? So that brand recognition. One has a lot to do with the awareness of what they hold represents in its current state, and what it might be so funky as a word that I know is on time then associated with the hill. I'm not. I didn't see Funky specifically said over here. It does not feel like a pumpkin. This is quotes: Yeah, Do you folks feel like we're We're not currently in the strength, the the in the present than it had in the past.

[117:15] Okay, Yeah, maybe it's not. We don't have it right now, but we want to re here all right. So future uh strengths, we have unique area, financial stability. These are aspirational feature strength. Um uh uh leading to opportunities uh landlord up here. I love it clean and safe year around visitors welcoming to older residents improvement and revitalization of the brand of the hill, diverse users parking available uh reputation as an arts and culture um full. Such a capacity

[118:01] meeting they can see no longer having the anything missing from what we would like to be able to say. Are the future strengths of the I'm gonna add one that it. It's it's one of the conversation We're having a diverse revenue stream for the commercial distance that it's an aspirational strength that we we really need to aim in that direction. We rely on working forever. All right, You i'm sure, you know. Sorry to delegate it first. I do it. Alright, Um! Just to review click on the opportunities that we have ahead of us. We engage students um with regular events, Connectivity from the hotels on the health and the hotels great see a student housing district next to the downtown uh Pearl Street.

[119:02] Anything more that we would, I think these really very much to the future strengths that we um are communicating. Um, and I want to move into. We have ten minutes left for folks. Additional folks are arriving. Um, we want to uh move into weaknesses and threats. I personally think we're all very aware of what our weaknesses are, and we gain more, since we only have ten minutes left to talk about threats because those are potentially actionable items. That so is everybody. Okay, with that. And we don't need to put them on a sticky note per se, because I think this translates the conversation we want to have about Andrew. Do you feel comfortable skipping? That I do? And I I was, I just would add, I think it's obvious to everyone. I mean the the the um. The The level of consensus on these items is is pretty amazing to me. I mean everybody understands what our

[120:11] I think what our opportunities Um and uh, and challenges are. Um and uh, and so you know, I think that that that's a positive thing. So we're moving then into maybe not threats, but our twenty twenty-three Oh, Maria has joined us. I just wanted to say, Hi, i'm just speaking in. I it's unfortunate. I can't be here for your i'm actually i'm thinking about this for the next retreat. I'd love to sort of we have a fly on the wall and continue to hear your um conversations. But I have an opportunity to have now that we have here, I mean, we're really talking about the Commissions twenty twenty-three priorities. I'm gonna pull up the slide. So the twenty twenty

[121:00] to uh okay, that's just been going to do that for now. Um so twenty-two priorities were strength and communications with city council. Um! I know that we were able to have the engagement with a couple of Council members coming to the tour on the hill. Um, I I want. That is a task that fits within that um priority. I don't know that we have a lot of other things to point to the bill like. We made significant progress in the area that i'd say So Maybe some conversation out there reinstate the hell rebuttalization, commercial working group. Um! That is not There's not been an active meeting yet this this year. Update the comprehensive transient strategy. Do we did. We have one. I don't believe we did so. I think we we had um tactical measures that the businesses on the hill where we were um

[122:00] asked to do. I think that happened a little more through the hill, older than the Commission. Um, in terms of you know. Trespassing signs getting um getting a formal um. I can't remember the name of the form online with the police department, so that if somebody you know this trespassing that they could be removed from the property. Um, but I don't think that the Commission um took took that and moved it forward and had a an actual strategy to update what it would make you priority. Okay, Um: Complete financial analysis for reinvestment of the Pleasant Street sales proceeds. We did some work. Um. We made some progress in that regard, and we're just getting future progress hopefully with the right. But but we'll continue to be a priority for twenty twenty-three um and last priority. Uh from last year's retreat was pursued. Partnership, for

[123:04] you know there was. We worked to apply for funds from see that to help further that. But they were not um not saying that they want a loaded um, but we still have that implementation plan, and to continue to look at that I would in Virginia. I wasn't part of the conversation last year, and um so I would in this conversation that we want to have now and think about. What do we want to focus on uh for twenty twenty-three. Um. There's still a lot of relevance in the twenty twenty-two prior, but i'd want to maybe try to narrow in on um. What is What is it that we want to see to accomplish? With some of these, as opposed to saying, strength, communications with City Council like. What is it that we want to get out of that? What is it that's missing for the Commission right now? That strengthening strength and Communication City Council would would help, and that may be the priority um, rather than just a broad communication system.

[124:06] I tie that directly to some, a threat that I currently see active on the hill, which is business loss. We're seeing retail business scale or rate of a hill that is unsustainable. Um, and I I don't know if this is true. I'm going to be dramatic about it. Seems a more dramatic than what's happening in the rest of the city. Uh, we're losing businesses at a very fast clip. And so having a strong relationship with the Council, so they understand what those issues are, So they're aware of how, what the priority should be in terms of maintaining the current businesses that perhaps attracting new businesses during the next two years, where it's going to be tough with the construction going on um to. If we if we don't. If we wait two years to do anything, the he'll maybe a shell of what it is about, and it's hard to imagine, much more lost than what we currently have,

[125:02] so that that would be like, uh applicable. This is why we need to have better communications, and I would add to that that city Council access the Board of Directors right for you to so making sure that city Council uh, especially when we're analyzing um the future of the of the Fourteenth Street lot to make sure that we have very clear communication between the Commission and the recommendations and City Council uh, so that we are all operating from the same base of knowledge. Can I? Uh, you know the one challenge I think we we have with the city Council along those lines is is our city Council is not uh good at, because they don't have to be good at um,

[126:02] focusing on uh encouraging or retaining businesses. It's our city count. I mean the city of Boulder is usually um. That's just not an area where they've had challenges, and so it's usually It's usually putting parameters around businesses, doing things that um that may be uh contrary to our goals or whatnot. And so. Um you know, in in in these situations. Uh, I think that Um, it's. It's just a unique. You know that when you say to the city Well, you know what we're losing businesses. Well, that can't be the case, and if so, uh they've got to replace that just happen. That happens on Pearl street. Right? I mean that's the way they look at it, and I think it it. It requires an extra effort on our part to make that point. Um, because it is unique. It's sort of like. They had a challenging time with this as well. Diagonal plaza uh up up up in North Boulder.

[127:02] Similar situation. It's just uh there were a lot of uh things that made that area um challenging, and it's in the city has to approach it differently. So I would agree with that. I think you. That's a really good point, Andrew. It's It's It's not usual that we're saying, Well, we want to encourage business activity. We're usually trying to figure out how to how to get it, to fit within the rules and the goals so. And the other thing I would say about this, too, is It's not just about business. The retail businesses. It's also about a reputation of the hill is currently under threat. We just had a hill shooting um, and you know, within the last year it wasn't in the you know, two thousand and twenty-two highlights, of course, for good reason. Um, but there was also instant up there that we really want to make sure the pill isn't seen as the armpit uh, or someone the other day refer to the hill as the Col. Fax Avenue folder, and that absolutely struck me to the core. It's like that. We cannot let this continue to happen that way. There is a reputational issue here as well. It needs to be addressed directly, and I think that that our leaders can help us with that um. They, they can help us um make sure that we don't continue slouching towards the day when the Hill Hotel opens. Uh we need to do something between now and then.

[128:26] Well, one other note, you know, on on the following up on those points is that you know I i'm i'm uh I just in light of all the things. Uh, I I think we have to do it. We should do it um like city Council's attention is stretched pretty thin, as is always the case. Uh, and we talk about marketing, and we don't have money right normally. Uh. But you know, downtown boulder partnership right is able to do its own marketing and all that other kind of stuff because of their funding revenue and whatnot is uh, as we continue to think about um alternate funding sources. The question becomes to is, Is there a role for the New Hill Hotel

[129:09] to go ahead and start getting involved in helping us with some marketing. I mean that when they hit the ground they're gonna want they're not gonna want the hill being seen as the Col. Fax avenue of boulder when they open? Uh, and so is there a way to engage them sooner rather than later. Um, because they they have a They have a huge monetary interest in that marketing in that image. That's great point, Andrew. I don't know who would contact, But hospitality has pretty pretty great marketing department, so I would also say, maybe for a priority for the Commission to um,

[130:00] and and the language was already there to engage more with the the Hill Marching Association and the Neighborhood Association. Think uh to get the success we want on the help. We need students. We need the neighbors, and we need the the businesses to all um rally around uh the future success of the hill. So I think, taking that priority to to work together because he'll hold her is is not a large, strong organization at this point, and I think we can all work together to engage more

[131:00] um priorities. What what you say about finding way to recruit, and it's not in downtown to a in some residence. But it's not to us right. Um, and it was not like that when it was vibrant. Um! And it was not like that when it was vibrant. Um! And so we we're gonna have a way to recruit some figure out a way to bring something, you know. Let's jump with Check this to our ideas. If we move the in farmer, it's not gonna happen. But there, there's got to be some sort of there's got to be a reason to do that. It's not just, you know. I mean the fox does it, but that's still.

[132:00] So. It's like what is one of the day time to really engage in? Create regular events? Yeah. And I think that's something back to what I was saying. Like the the fun. Keyword like Funky was just at the time in progress. But it's you energy soon. Energy from the site up there maybe a lot of that. It was the eighteen Trigon agent through here. But um, but that was one thing for better. So I don't. I I think that it's. You know the future and technology things that students, especially when they engage They don't even want to. Okay, my son, it lives a university that's girlfriend. They they don't. He's nineteen. You know what I mean. It's like. There's a real lack of in with the Times. We're actually you know that's the boulder, that or the hill. That was that thing, for Boulder was one. That was when everything new,

[133:06] and that's that's just not Well, I I wonder how much of this is trying to engage with city staff to make sure that we've got business vitality and efforts really happening in our us. But the bill um, and and that where the intersection is between the Commission and what the city can be doing to help with some of those issues, because I think that this is also related to my shiny new idea object which is, we need to diversify our revenue, stream out. Um! There may be really creative ways. We could use the space on the hill, that as a commission, we can only really just advise on that. It really does come down to roots on the ground. What can the city do to help us make this a priority, and make sure that the community doesn't leave the help by. And so what I want to acknowledge we have especially for Andrew. We have a couple of guests who now arrived. We have chip from the downtown partnership in Dakota from the hill. Uh

[134:11] help all their Merchants Association. Thank you all for joining us. We've been having a great conversation with the Commissioners on the identifying uh where we want to be headed with our twenty-three priorities in the line up where we want to be headed long term as as far as future opportunities and uh would like to see be the future strength of the commercial area. And in Dakota it's all Yes, and and maybe again within the future. And I also want to make sure that uh, especially Dakota, you have a chance that we have uh area. We're there, Ben, and my city manager straight as well. Good to meet you, and i'm just sorry I can't say i'm already late for a meeting, and told that this is so engaging. I'm like home, get there soon, but it's fascinating and Deputy Chief uh right from from the Boulder Police Department.

[135:08] One key theme i'm. Hearing and and keeping over times. Then improve collaboration, communication. Um, And that is a role that we that staff can play when it comes to your thoughts around supporting the business community. I would remind the missionaries there are seven thousand plus businesses and city of folder. And what sets the businesses on the hill apart is a one point seven uh mills, general from a district tax which generates a a very, very modest amount of of resources. So when it comes to what the city is able to do, we do have some staff that are here. We're at the table line to conversations uh, but also want to acknowledge that It's gonna take. Not just It's not the city coming in to save the district it needs to be. We. We have a role to play, using very much by any accumulation of resources over time sale of the but we're still very limited when it comes to making sure that we're we're thinking about all of our economic vitality functions for the entire

[136:10] city. Andrew: Yeah. And Chris to feed off that, and I and I uh, I appreciate that because it I mean that that right there lays out in in part the challenge we have, and it goes back to a point we've been talking about, and and Ted just raised as well, and that is that you know. How do we? How do we increase our revenue stream? And um, And I think we need to not just be constrained by the current. Um, The The current structure that we have. The question is, Is there a way, you know? Are Are there things? And I don't know how we do this in the future, whether we set up a committee or what not. But to really explore. Are there ideas that could um, it may be, be be involved changing the boundaries it may involve other types of uh ways to generate a revenue stream

[137:00] for the hill, especially as as the hill um probably starts to stretch down the hill uh, towards the the University, is, as people are starting to walk back and forth between these uh Conference centers and hotels and the Downs and the Pearl Street, Mall, and uh, and so forth. And so there, there's and there's other ideas out there, I think. But we should start exploring that because um right now. It's. You know our system, our Our situation is a bit unsustainable as we've talked about, and it in and under our current structure. It's not clear how we get out of that right? So the question is, if it, if you know what they always say about doing doing the same thing uh over and over again, and expecting the same result we need to. We We might need to change some things. You're here, Andrew. I'd really agree with that. I I feel like there's a lot of Well, this is how it's been that we need to get over and figure out. Where can we go? What kinds of things should change. Is there something around the structure that we need to consider? Um

[138:04] is, you know, even even I'm. Hearing modest results from having the project come online, and whether or not that's going to be something that will provide future revenue that we can use to stay in the district that's alarming we're spending how much, how many years, and how much of our resources to build this and it that's not going to lead to a sustainable mode. There's something wrong there, and we should address that, and I have. I have no knowledge in this area. But I would think that if, if there were some mechanism to create a district around um off campus housing only by property owners that have occupancy that fits within a certain parameter that there's an increase somehow levied on the property tax that kicks back into the um safety and cleanliness of the district.

[139:07] Um, I I mean it's a half baked idea, but creating some kind of district. Um that that helps with that like a subcommittee, or something like that. I mean with Andrew Pros like. Maybe there is some alternate work with condition to do outside of regular meetings and paraphrasing something that you're throwing out there. That may be something we want really serious. Consider so that we're. We're actually addressing some of these things that, hoping that they get in the six meetings we have, or whatever the five minutes we have next year. So what we can connect to doing on the staff side is synthesizing this conversation into some themes. Um that we can bring to the January meeting um to that, and I wouldn't suggest we want to try to form subcommittees right now. Um! But we can prepare some some uh notes from this meeting that can inform the conversation we have in January, and that's also part of the

[140:13] the Hill reinvestment working through that that hasn't met. Maybe it more since something else, something more specific. Welcome, Lori: Thanks, Chris. So I get a a key thing we've been talking about today is the collaboration um and communication, which I think, really is given the modest resources that the city has to work with to help uh work towards the future strength of the district. It's gonna take these collaboration. So I just want to acknowledge the folks who are here in the room taking time out of their day to be a part of this conversation. Um, knowing that this retreat was happening. Um! And that we're we we do have folks. They are listening and want to be at the table.

[141:02] Um, and I know that, Chip. I don't want to put you on the spot, but I know you're not well, but I would also um would ask. The police department has seen any positive change um in the neighborhood in the district, and if there any ideas um that we can add that include the boulder police department into our priorities for twenty twenty-three as as we um work to change the culture to a place where you go. I'm just gonna excuse myself. I am sorry I cannot stay. Um! This is super important. The he'll play such a vital role in our city, both from uh Funky we should recover the funky right. I came back from Austin, and Austin, feeling like It's lost. It's weird, and I hate to think that we're losing some of that time and dynamism. The city, as we move forward. But frankly, from a business perspective, I believe in supporting where we can. We? We live off sales, Rep. And we need to have a really strong business identity in the city. And so I think it's really important for us to move forward. So i'm going to be curious to circle back

[142:13] with you, Chris, and you're a little bit more about this conversation. And actually I might try to figure out when a good meeting would be to pop in, because I just love to continue to meet you all and and learn to hear me more. So I I won't blame it on. That's right. So um absolutely. We want to partner um. We a lot of time in the hill. We have a team that specifically assigned to uh they all our neighborhood back team. Um! It was eight officers at one point, but we're still down thirty police officers. We're hiring. I think not that I would. We're about to hire over twenty new officers. Um! That takes the time at school at least. Academy, all of that. But that being said, we'd love to get the

[143:05] get that number back, and it's not all about enforcement. It's an enforcement is a piece of it. It's really about the the community uh involvement on the hill. Uh right now we have three officers and Sergeant I'm. Adding an additional officer for January and January. So before it's a little better. Um! But what there's good and some bad. Obviously we've had some sense of violence. We had the officer of all shooting, but thankfully our officers were around the corner dealing with the the party Normally, that's and and we're able to to take down that cheer before anybody else steps out because we did have a uh, a two, two, three rifle in the pistol format and and shoot a lot of large calendar which is craziness. None of those individuals, in that instance, earlier in the night, I have to mention, because it's been pretty joy earlier in the night on the um. Then we had another one. It's called like an hour later for that same night, and none of those people were from older. And so the big thing we're working on, and we've had a lot of conversation to you is we've got to figure out what number one with the draw is. We know what some of the is. These these these guys from the Denver or uh, when I come up here and meet girls party, and

[144:19] it's just It's Seems like a cool place to come up, and, in fact, one of them, the guy that we actually shot was posting really around Snapchat Bug in on Pearl Street. He was down on Pearl street with seventeen years old, with an open container of beer, their own getting signs, not what boulders. Historically. Dallas. So we're trying. We're doing our best to figure out ways to, and some of it is an education educational piece on the the college side to say, Hey for how to party don't thrown all over Facebook. You don't there's that um The really good thing we're seeing, though, is over. I'm looking at our prime sets just for the district, which is pretty much it comes to the hill in the Mall, and a year today. Um! And actually i'll focus on the past twenty, eight days,

[145:01] forty forty-six percent down on property. Cr: it's a significant for the year. We're down fifteen. So, for example, most other jurisdictions. All theft is is way up. We're trending down burglary on the hill uh twenty-seven percent down for the year. So there's a lot of things we're However, um we're up uh twenty, three percent on assaults and that's kind of the weird dynamic that we're seeing is yeah property crimes which historically had been in the last couple of years, especially kind of rock and going down. But we're seeing more violence which is boundaries. So for city Why? And we don't have to use that. Obviously you have their own police department, and, in fact, we do share a crime analyst to you now. So they have their own staff, but the uh it's, for example, property, crime, city wide for the year we're down compared to last year six hundred and thirty-eight crimes

[146:02] um overall as as you see in the hill twenty-five set up for the year on city wide. We're only up to six percent. So there's definitely we're working on a lot of the the issues. One one cool thing we're working on. And some people we're working on, strengthening what counts as approval, waiting a a chronic new. We'll specifically deal with the problem. Landlords mostly the really not caring what's going on at their properties as long as you pay um. So there's some real It's gonna take a little longer for us to get any ordinance. We have been all those things, but there's no promise in that, because what we see is a small number of places that are pretty close. Oh, so Um, there! There's a lot of efforts there, Uh, you know. Obviously we can't talk about crime without announced population coming up, and that's been a an issue we're dealing with on the hill. Um! His name just escaped me uh the meet of Garrett Long. We met with him a few times with his concerns about what's going on

[147:05] uh runs to liquor. Rosenberg's seven, eleven, and one of the things we found out by doing a little checking is that some eleven at the end of the night is giving all their food that they didn't sell to the growing things away. It's on house people which we totally understand. It's compassionate. But that was basically causing that people to camp out in front of seven, eleven deputy year, They all day just waiting for that food at night, and so little things like that can make a difference. Um! But that's obviously a main concern. We hear from them all get up on the hill is just the issue surrounding announced, and they could be a much longer conversation. But, uh, the one thing that personally i'm happy for is that we did see a um uh council did approve the budget for next year, which I think we basically doubling the number of the cabinet, we'll maybe be able to double the number of clean ups we can do um when it comes to the accountants. Um, whether you're not getting

[148:00] political with the issue, but in our opinion that will help at least hopefully get more people in the services and and deal with some of the issues. Um, So those are some kind of high level things. Um. Another thing i'd love to do if we could get our staffing better is add additional offers to our prior uh Katie average team right now. It's one guy he's. He's fantastic, but he's one guy, and we'd love to add more to that, and specifically assign somebody to the help just to work with right, you know, every day with um the entities in the house. So whenever you guys come up with, we're all in um whatever that looks like for your priorities. Uh, we spent a lot of time up there. It's not our only issue in the city, but, uh, I think uh, when we see some of the issues that we've seen in the last year to include some of the uh, you know serial sex offending offenses. Things like that. Um! It's. It's high high density, high liability for some uh whatever you guys come up with. I don't. I don't imagine you could come up with anything that we'd have a problem with. So

[149:02] Oh, I I mean, I know you're always responsive to our business. Thank you for that. I will point out that the the water dashboard the best, have a general do improvement districts uh um hold out. So this is the or you should um uh we're year to date. Uh, we can see that uh trends are about a thousand. There's about a thousand offenses per month um that are listed as happening in the commercial district that's been pretty consistent. Um over the past several years. Um, that it looks like January of whatever twenty plan um uh seem to be pretty high compared to where we're at um in other years. So um! This is a a resource that's available to you all in the general public. Um,

[150:04] we're glad to if we want to. Maybe just add a screenshot to our um uh meetings. We could, because so if you know that the Board of department can't be available for every you can't see meeting. But this is a um interesting information. Um! And again, it does show that the top that's the other that all other effects is is that's really quick without spending too much time in it. When you talk about the crime, stats being a little bit inverse of the state. What do you count that for? What are our our fabulous et cetera? So some of it, I I will say this. Some of it has direct impact on some of the I don't know if you heard us talk about that by policing it to be programs we're that we're uh we started in May and in the areas. So we'd identified to our data honestly the the top problem locations in city for crime. Um, for example, fourteen eighty canyon circle. K. Is one of them. Um, we've just taken on the millennium to try to help with some of the crime issues there. We were focusing on

[151:09] those locations specifically to see what is attracted to crime, not not to go out and necessarily make it's made. The rest of Canada's deal with the problem locations. Rtd: parking right specifically A table mason's been one of them, and we've put a ton of resources to, not only having increased control, but to dealing with issues, lighting all the things that maybe can do to crime working. So Circle K. For example, we finally got the attention of our district manager when we started talking with your license, and they're working with us to do a lot of things um to include locking up the single cans of beer, you not letting on house people come in, and they're safe, and things that you would think makes sense that they weren't doing right. And so they are to be manager, and we've seen, wherever we're focusing on that effort, including Hamlet, convert that to all of that uh, it's making a huge difference. One of the other things we've been doing is we have a pilot program that's called Flock Safety. Um. She is also uh engaging with Lot, and it's a system of cameras uh testing three cameras from the city that read license plates um aclu on board with our policy. It's initially was a big

[152:13] it's it's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's it's, it's it's we're burglary, all of stuff kind of like the verge of living boulder. They're coming up here specifically. Panel and converts specifically to the high priest per capita, and that's no joke. That is one of the highest cars getting the um. But those technology that some of that technology focusing on problem locations. Um. And then really the biggest thing, we'd also if, when we're back to staffing, we're going to have more people to the Multi, we're gonna have more people to. We don't have a dui team right now, because we've had to put all those resources back on patrol and just to cover calls. So. Um, yeah, that's That's I think that some of it. When you look at

[153:01] um. Other jurisdictions where you're seeing double digit increases in. What are people that they're not doing some of the things that you're doing, and in reality a lot of police departments are super short, anyway, and they trying to keep up with level one call. So safety obviously is going to continue to be a priority for the city. Um in this area. Want to continue to provide updates to the Commission on on the statistics. Um, when it comes to the uh funding sustainability. We have been talking with Chip a bit um about uh some opportunities that uh, and these were these are we discussed in previous planning efforts, the formation of a uh, yeah, it's a downtown development authority. But uh, specifically for the uh University of area. Anticipation of increases the well modest in property tax revenues. Um uh overall. They're whether it's just associated with something else or overall for the city, because we do have other property taxes. There are opportunities to to leverage those increases um for the

[154:16] as an example, and so Chip has been a great partner over the past year, and envisioning how we can build those better connections with light of the Conference Center Um and the Hill Hotel and the um hoped connections between the two. He's been working um in partnership on the downtown vision plan. That very much does incorporate the the connection to universities in the long term vision for downtown. So I see this, this conversation continuing. And then again, we talked about earlier the Ambassador program. We are talking with the University and uh Chef and his team about. How do we expand sources specifically for the hill? Um, Because there certainly is a huge um role for the police department. But the ambassadors have been a that key uh component to to kind of getting ahead of before something becomes uh police. Since then.

[155:14] Um trying to uh address uh issues before they become a bigger issue. So we're hopeful that over time we'll be able to formalize that program and expand it um, and provide additional resources on the um. And of course the University is very big. So again i'd say that we have great partners at the table today. Um! And these partners are going to continue to be at the table, and we can um contemplate. Who else do we want to to invite to these conversations, whether it's through the the um we start of the the commercial uh reinvestment working group um or some other subcommittee. So we can uh contemplate in our future meetings. But um wanted to maybe open up the floor if you're if you support it to to any thoughts from our partners um in my perspective for calling priorities.

[156:09] Yes, thank you for being here. Thank you all for being here. Sure. Um! Well, I want to thank you for the invite to be here. I've excited to hear uh the energy. It's as um as mentioned. We've been working this year on a vision plan for downtown, and you know, honestly, a lot of the conversation about downtown is conversation about the hill uh in, certainly with the conference center. Thank you. And and just looking at in both the investment in the hill, but also the the the population that we anticipate coming to take advantage of these resources. How do we make sure that connection is, and it's viable, and and that we can connect downtown and in the hill as much as possible. Um, As Chris mentioned, we've been work. Our Ambassador team has been working on a very kind of skeleton crew on the hill. Uh for little over a year, almost a year and a half uh, and we're really focused on cleaning um

[157:13] ha! On the hill, You know we have a unlimited resource, and what we can do uh, but I think I I think the team is making an impact. You know we should be track pretty well uh their their maintenance requests. And you know there, there's a that we've we're continuing to um. Evolve how we dispatch to the hell and and have the biggest input always open to here. And input from all of you about. You know where where we should push in, and in what ways? Um, I know we're working. Our Our Our marketing team is is working on uh with the city crew on the new website. I think that's in in development for the and so I think there's there's a lot of symbiosis. Uh, you know, I really vision that the hill is part of the central business district. It certainly has its own identity and brand, and it should have its own identity and brand. But it's really a a part of, you know, to get it

[158:13] the broader central business area in in its own district. Um, you know. I think we're I think there's a There's a lot of opportunities for the hill right now. Um, but there are opportunities, and they need to be taken advantage of, and I think to from a lot of what I've heard. There's, you know, with the investment of the that see you's making in the hill, and that cop and the hotel. Um, It does need to be some sort of financing tool to take advantage of that for fail. Um, and you know we we're very fortunate in the downtown that we have the business improvement district we've had it for twenty-five years, and it's been able to support the downtown to the degree that we have an extraordinary downtown, and I think there is an opportunity right now as well, to to to explore some investment in some financing uh instruments for the hill as well.

[159:10] And there's a lot of ways to approach that. We've talked about Jen and Development authority which is essentially tax increment financing that you can use future property tax revenue to invest in in development projects that will benefit the district and and ultimately increase the value, and we're just happy to be really want to be part of that conversation that at the the hill is important to downtown, and it's really important to the city. So that's all I get. Um. So first of all, I want to say Place Department downtown and the city for what was relatively mild Halloween. Um. So um once the planning and it was underway, and um uh it's, I relate, and so I think that it actually is um an example of how we're all coming together in really important ways,

[160:13] you know, as it relates to you know, big events and all events, and and finding for the future. So Um! We do a conference center. Um! It's gonna break down in the next couple of months and um should be up and running in twenty twenty-five, and we know that um that you know. In addition to that, the you know factory staff um you know go over to pay for lunch on on a, you know, daily, weekly, monthly basis. Um! There's going to be an influx of um Visitors well from throughout the world to um. Our conference set and attendees, and so take the opportunity and um to support us as as we have; for I don't know one hundred and forty-six years, or something like that, and um uh figure out what?

[161:14] Um, Um, hey, guys Two, there's two two points I I can kind of be here from the help holder, the nonprofit, the Merchants Association. Um! When we first founded it eight ten years ago, thirty years ago, now years ago. Um! It was kind of from the work in the Commission, realizing that there was a real need, an interest in putting effort and resources towards the hill, but that

[162:00] you know the city isn't necessarily in the position to be implementing to the the boots on the ground. You know the fingers behind the keyboard, and so we saw the opportunity for the help holder to kind of help implement these things. Try and be unified. Voice: Um. And I think that it's still there. Um as a great opportunity to act upon whatever um financing mechanisms, whatever opportunities there might be. Um to implement some of those changes so just out there as a possibility of a tool um, and then as a business owner on the hill, it's, and you know, hearing about the excitement of the Hill Hotel and the Convention center

[163:03] um. It's really hard to imagine anyone walking even a block south or west right now to visit the hill. It's so gnarly I it's just like It's It's sad up there, and it's It's part of it's this: you know this ongoing struggle of you know, a very small revenue stream, you know, like our eight year old nonprofit. We have one one guy, and I mean he's brilliant. J. I hope people have the to work with them. Uh, but it's I, you know, I really worry about being in a position to take advantage of these these great pieces. Um, you know, like August cafe on been there almost thirteen years now, and we're really excited and hope that okay, just our identity can attract some people. And you know the same. You know, people bought you more to get to the same thing. That's awesome.

[164:14] Um, but you know the fox. But really it's honestly, I would say, probably our that oscillating the corner of the other two and Pete's they crushed. But um, you know, boss, ladies out now, and it it doesn't feel like there's any excitement about the coming opportunities in the commercial district. Um, and you know it. It's tough to be at that position where you're like in this district, and you try really hard, and you just kind of know everyone's going to walk down the hill to Pearl Street because it's It's such an amazing machine. Um! And I I really appreciate and

[165:02] think that us great like there is a possibility to partnership. Are there some worries that perhaps down the road it that swallowed up? And this is, its potential to be its own entity, maybe, but if its own entity never becomes anything, who cares? Um, I guess those are just some of the concerns. I I overheard choice, saying at the beginning, like the hell, it's like this funky place, but that's, you know. Funky, forty years ago was a good thing was Google, you know or not, he's like that. No one really wants that funk any more. It's a like an interesting investment opportunity or a place to sync dreams into,

[166:01] you know. Yeah, you can have it here and look at it. But as far as bringing new life, maybe maybe so. I thought I didn't. I like that point of view. Um! So I guess. How do we attract that? How do we do something to to get ourselves ready for what's rolling out in two, three years, and um! How can the help older than nonprofit? I'll be a catalyst? Um. I don't. I mean right side. No, I I think it'd be really interesting, and it might be a long time. But maybe there's people in the city to help work with it. I think the idea of property ownership would be so helpful. If you look at the businesses that have been able to thrive on the hill for long term, they own. They're building the corner, the fox, the sink.

[167:00] Um! That's that's huge. I I just recently to over a business is was able to take over the commercial property as well. Um north a ways, and it's like it's just been a a few weeks, and it's It's amazing. It's amazing. And if there was, I think at least I remember from what I was on the tradition that was one of the real challenges. It is just engaging these property owners for the commercial tenants, and there was just such a big disconnect, and I know there's Sba programs to how business owners get in there, but there has to be the opportunity to get in there. Um! That that that could be one tool or one avenue that could really bring some stability and new energy into the district, obviously commercial property and boulders a bit bonkers and out of reach for a lot of people. But

[168:00] perhaps uh, it could be an avenue. Our property tax. If the box went down, which is shocking, it didn't quite balance the increase that we experienced at the Boulder theater. But uh, you know it does it does speak to um how the properties are being valued. I think that's a really important point, though I don't think in until property owners are invested, whether that's because they are the business owner or there's some of their investment in chain invested in in change. That's It's an up. If they have the property owners at the table, and it committed to change them. To give you an example, the alley on the east side of the hill Um City purchased lights, did a lighting plan to keep it safe, and we had the biggest property owner on that side of the street, with not even

[169:07] spend the money to have the only spend required was to hire the electrician to put the light on your building, and that is um! That's what the the hill is up against with some of the these landlords, and I I wonder if there is a way to um force Safety? Um! A safety measure like that. You know the plan. It's already been done to maximize or minimize the dark areas as you're walking through the alley. It's been studied. Fixtures were purchased. How do we force a landlord to adhere to um improving. You know the safety measure on the hill,

[170:03] or yes, some sort of creative co-op. I you know what I mean, just like the two logging for power, on the which is a great business and a great example of having services for the neighborhood in the University um, you know, and my concern is that they're going to end up leaving next. You know the cycle of the spinning place didn't last very long the businesses that would normally thrive adjacent to a university. Um, where there's a large population of of student housing um have found it challenging to, and I mean I don't. I don't want to be like all doing like. I think the hill for some people who

[171:08] are not frisk at first, and they have a little vision like Ginger and Pig is moving in next to cafe on where there was a taco spot, and like that's awesome. I mean she has like some poll like It's new. It's delicious. It, you know it's. It's really sort of a quality establishment. I think it. It's cool that there's these small spaces on the hill that that can work for the the younger. I know or scrap the startup scene and um it's finding ways to leverage that you know that that to me is an exciting piece. Can I ask your opinion on um street vendors in the district as a business owner? Uh, what do I think about it? Yeah,

[172:01] I mean, i'd rather I'd rather see, like the hill top, get a liquor license in that food cart like, have a food, or like or two loggies, and have like a Mini? Or is that a hall? Okay, Because then they're paying red, and they're getting some return out of it, and that's something we've not discussed today with, you know, challenges or threats that hold the hill area back compared to any other part of the city. I know it's come up. It comes up quite regularly, and it does come up internally as well related to uh that if you want to live your license on that. You need to close by lumpy up period and fifty eight percent of your The other elements on the hell that is unique to the hill is the affordable housing requirement for any um development needs to be a hundred percent

[173:01] for it. Yeah, but it Hasn't come today. It's like you said, a hundred percent affordable, which is why there's not been any development. How's that working now? It's just housing requirement? I've only been here for about a year and a half. But what the officers have been here long term is when there were bars on the hill. It didn't have the issues we had. It was interesting to me, and being new to college town policing, we're on the hill one of the nights of Friday. It's a huge problem. One of the frats just up from um the main drag, and they're supposed to be sitting with the gun. So we ended up on the seventy-four kilometers line to push all these drunk kids off the hill. And then one of the business owners came out and started yelling at us, saying, you're gonna be hurting my business. It's like, you know. You have a riot for it, you know, since you start it's just a fascinated by some of the I would say we were both on the hill back in the day when there there were more of ours, and I would say, that's true, I think, at a certain point

[174:13] um students started going down tab. But they did. Because yeah, yeah, I mean when it was tailored there will be more prominent or all that. But because kids. If you're twenty one you don't want to be in the depression right? So they would go to the bars to you. You separate from the you know one hundred percent. But it was it was true. Yeah, you know. So Mark Heinrich. Um, I know it's here day, but they they close ten. We may close ahead of time now, Because, he said that there is the traffic. So I do wonder if there's an opportunity as these hotels with older guests. Um, you know, to to flood the market if they need to

[175:00] percent. I was wondering if you don't so, you know, calling and the other step close, obviously with the construction on the and this is for hill businesses, or are they going elsewhere? Have you take care of her business? I don't date that beyond would. Um. But yeah, there's not a bar on the hill like pizza is the closest thing to a call. It's our scene. I mean that you know the same to you know the sake, obviously, but required to post. But yeah, yeah, it's a restaurant. There's not a or yeah, I mean, that's like like what it okay like. But what if we were to open it up? Great! We've given away three liquor licenses till two way. Um!

[176:06] Who are we gonna get right. One of the three is going to be someone young and smart like excited to try something out. The other two will go out of business, and they'll cycle like That's it right like at least, Then we have a draw. I don't a lot of the funkiness that we lost with that development. The hotel us again was pot was was positive, because there were funky little spaces for cosmos for the you know n a bar. That kind of thing that didn't get placed by available retail space on the hill. Necessarily, we've seen multiple, you know. Food establishments to your trailing point. Got a business in the last two months, I mean just in the last quarter. We've seen multiple businesses, five businesses in the last three, four months on the hill. That's that's a that's a big loss, and it wasn't it. The businesses didn't move to the hill. Um! The hill still has a lot of headwinds to get there.

[177:03] Some of It's the liquor license part of it, but some of it's sort of just as per what it costs to actually. But I mean, yeah, I think the prices are still low. It's just like, even if it's zero like there's not enough people walking around the hill to like support a business. I I mean you you would. You would see people engaged in that space, I think I mean Rosenberg. What if five outposts they They couldn't get people to have a ice cream. I i'm so. I don't think it's a knock on that. I just want to make sure we don't some of those new ones that we don't have a lot of control over. But you wanna make sure we're thinking about. What are the threats that we need to that are front and center

[178:03] threat slash opportunities that we want to be focusing on. And again we'll work some some of the teams in the conversation. I just want to make sure we didn't miss that one um, And just to add on to that, though you know they move to a property that all of our mind set ups case on Twenty Eighth Street, and it seems that they're killing um. I would be really curious if just know whether or not that's true. If they're from the pest side of campus to the side right up. And that's in student traffic, David, because of the high density nature of the apartment buildings now all lining the eastern side of campus as opposed to you know, demographics, students on the west side of the campus are a bit different. Um. And uh, whether or not that's a threat as far as uh where students are wanting to congregate. Um, now versus how they used to. And I i'm just putting that out there. Um! Just an observation of this is that did move the State in Boulder Um, and seem to be doing really well in their new location.

[179:09] Um the event street, I think. Um. The city initiated that conversation correct the events straight on the hill into the event street right? And that, I think, did have um the idea that it would be a place where students would congregate, and we haven't really seen. I I haven't seen that unless someone was specifically putting an event in that area, and I don't know if you feel the same. Um, so I would. Um, I think, attracting the students to the hill is going to require businesses that they want

[180:04] to be businesses that they want to be at night. I like um. I do think the thread is that eleven o'clock closure fifty percent food percentage. Anybody that I know that is in the food business wouldn't consider going into a space that limits their ability to operate differently on the hill than anywhere else in the State. And so I think that is a big threat. Um, it it's. It's been a weakness, and and it's potentially turning into a threat as we use businesses and the investment that um the time and energy and investment in ringing and anchor like the hotel. Um may not have the change that we anticipate. I think

[181:03] maybe like, and I I think this right. It's come up over the years like, do we? It is focusing on bringing commercial businesses that attract students to the hill. The right move. Do we care? Oh, sorry! Do we care about under your ads. No, no, I don't, but I mean like he's not moving like is the better move to try and brand grow the hill to take advantage of, like the insane and like amazing Cultural Center Educational Center Art Center that you is. I mean, that's the biggest driver in the city for those sorts of things like I was always amazed at a on like Oh, this guy, you know, who won a Nobel prize is eating lunch, and all this

[182:12] Are there limited assets better, but towards perhaps at different good. I mean, if it a a hotel is not, you know some parents will stay there. Conference center is not undergrad like. Perhaps there is some momentum here that it's worth shifting. You know the Developmental gaze or what we're trying to pitch it has, so we have about eight minutes left. We are very short on time. Um, Do we want to spend the last eight minutes? Um! We have more time for our priorities, and in our next meeting correct.

[183:04] I just wanted to make sure that we weren't planning on anything the meeting today you don't get to keep all of us but um any city staff want to chime in on. I know when you've been around the city for a very long time before that in the hospitality um industry. Yeah, I mean I I can. Certainly I code to code is something I as a young student, I would flee to the around the corner on Friday to avoid fish on Friday at the dormitory. If the three two beer was a huge reason, we would go to po host, because we could go but it This wrapped around three to there. So but for me I turned twenty one the same. Here they got room three, but some of those training

[184:05] it's I I you turn on her when I first. I had never heard of three to beer in New York. Um! But I do believe that when three to beer went away there was definitely an increase piece um with partying in the in the houses, and when you have an Andrew. I still remember at at a city council meeting, when you're talking about having these parties unsupervised as opposed to having in an establishment with supervision. Um and the the three to beer thing uh it. It makes. It makes a big difference. Times change. I mean Tensley and Company was not premier out there. People flocked there, you know, like like folks with professional jobs, and

[185:05] I got my op. You know. Low rider short. It's up there, too, on the hill, I mean there were so many more uh diversity for University of Retail, and of course we all know that the lost the mountains on there, and but you know it's all the you know. I don't want to talk about what was but to to transform me um attracting cutting edge things that represent, and that's what those things were at the time, and it because one that you might like. So for me, My, there was a reason for me to go to the in my teams same time. My dad was going to, and he's my grandfather. They all had reasons. Now it's just one note like it's only looking at like It's kind of it's it's so focusing just on just on the student population, even that isn't working because we're not giving them the the rights of passage piece of that which is the bars and and all those ground zero. And yeah, and all that, you know, like like there were so many licenses you could.

[186:13] You could live up there and and not even leave the hill and and canvas little. So everything you needed was there, and all those outlets, but it wasn't just for the students and the kids. It's for people and older, and you know they were. The Ceo games would happen, and people go to hell and go before. Of course I was, but there were things to do, and there there were events, city events and things were close down families about that we said it was a totally different situation, but I think it has to be related to not just focus again on. How do we separate students from their their dollars, and how we get people? I can enjoy that place. I want to celebrate three or three boards. That's great job. They put on an amazing event the morning before Rosenberg had their concert, and they had a young demographic they had, you know, young families.

[187:08] And Then there's that interesting consignment shop, but the the the after sale. It's really funny. Once you collectible. Yeah, it's It's like we don't have to go specifically to the past. But there are things that made the past successful, and what we'll make the district successful in the future. What if we what we learned? Um, and I, you know, when I, cutting edge future thinking tech. And then I think about Fourteenth Street lot, and you know kind of that incubator space. And i'm not even sure that people are engaging with incubator spaces any more. But you know um galvanized was um was a great uh

[188:05] uh business to have on the hill. And then right now, spacing the pajamas. This one suits that up above the Yes, yes, um, you know, Will the will potentially. The development of the Fourteenth Street lot engage and create spaces for some of these smaller buildings. Our businesses to come in and develop. I don't. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty much change so. But it's a lot of the hotel or the lock to to changing. It's like we have to look at it independently. Those things right, and have to figure out solve those issues, you know. Not all. I'm worried, but the hotel I mean, just like there's no part in it who's going to go in there from a retail perspective and expect us to live,

[189:00] you know, to your point of frozen surviving that space will not be. I mean, I don't It's just that there's I mean, I think there are many multiple factors at at play with the Rover closure. But um, you know I I yeah, I I do think that there are businesses that could go into that space, and that's and there's districts who can look at it. It's where they people have the same bottom of the world, right? And there are places there. And again, there's financial component, of course, to this and that's where we need to figure out to finance it some of these things. But I can think of. I don't even know ten, fifteen things that you put up there and and literally change it over like right, and not just from a student perspective, from a young professional perspective, even from you know twenty-two to thirty-five, and there's there are people there retail things there's drop culture there's so much stuff. There's

[190:01] music and dancing and things like that that are smaller than the box, right? That that could be, make it really back there. But again it's like without the sort of investment it's just not gonna happen. So that's it. It's about diversity diversification. After our revenue is coming from. We just concentrate on the liquor license law. It's not going to be enough right then. Maybe one that we've pulled. But there's going to have to be others right. There's going to have to be food traffic during the day that that's one of the biggest issues I've been to the hills facing right now. There's just no flip traffic, and during the day it is. It's tough up there to go to those Very well. It's like who is actually going to launch up on the help. Who's Who's actually out there at ten o'clock in the morning. Yeah, i'll tell you. It's me. And like about ten other homeless people and a few students who wander over,

[191:15] but real quick, because Bolter doesn't have a tourist phone getting them up. So what are those thoughts? One of the things that we can do to immediately make it to them because That'll affect Uh-huh. Prime right? I mean the fact that the same close to ten, and we can start up there makes it have a feeling not lawlessness, but the domain is just running, Ryan, and the socks is required to close One, two, right. We have our small independence aren't opening. We're seeing that downtown. You know we're getting a lot of change. We're getting a lot of national outdoor brands and the Independence who are successful are taking the advantage of the traffic that that brings. So, looking at what is the traffic the hotel is going to bring in? How does that for the ecosystem? That is that the hill to your point. Like it. It's there's

[192:19] you kind of need to look at all of it, and then also manage the safety and cleverness and the identity and the branding and the you know all all of the different systems. But that's a lot of work like like you can't. Just look at one. Here's the thing. It's how it's all in your play. It's a good work. Well, i'm a big folder, you know all. It's got a point right. It's A. There's some. It's, you know. It's every It's like. The problem is only getting worse. So yeah, you'll see. It should look to all of us. Not just yeah, not just us to. Okay,

[193:01] Thank you. Having everybody. Yes. So thank you for the time for the formal retreat for you to now, with the Commissioners and my very least are headed up the hill for a post retreat uh lunch. The conversation Um, everyone here as well me join us in that. I would. How How much this do we have? We said. You know I can double check on that. So if folks have time to get to this conversation. Um, otherwise we will be synthesizing this into our top priorities, for the commission.