May 9, 2023 — Transportation Advisory Board Retreat

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] The transfer. Welcome to the Transportation Advisory Board retreats. Alex. Can you call the meeting to order for us? Officially? We are called to order Great thanks. My name is Molly Scarborough. I'm. A senior project manager with the Public Works business Services Division, which serves both the transportation mobility departments need to Utility Department, and I will be your facilitator for the today's retreat. Really, i'm just here to help us move through the agenda items. Stay on topic to accomplish what we set out to by the close of our meeting at 40'clock today. You'll see on this call. We have our interim transportation mobility. Director Napley Stiffler. and our transportation planning manager, Valerie Watson. and we have a few other staff who are also here just to help us accomplish this meeting today. So, as a reminder, this is a public meeting. Members of the public are welcome to listen in, but we will not have public comment.

[1:05] The Q. A feature in zoom is for technical troubleshooting. Only. So, for example, if someone's trying to listen in. But you can't hear. or if you're having other technical challenges. Please send a message in the Q. A. Which should be at the bottom of your screen. and a staff member will message you to assist you. So with that i'm going to pull up the agenda and share my screen. So give me just one alright. Okay, great. So today's forged retreats. The objectives that we have for today is to learn and discuss how the city's racial equity tools can be used by A, by tab, and in tab decision making. and also to identify 2 to 3 policy areas that Tab would like to around the line around in its work with the city council.

[2:09] So first we'll do a quick icebreaker. After that our equity policy adviser with Cmo will join us and leave this discussion around racial equity and practice. Then we'll have a board discussion around policy areas of emphasis. We'll hear from each of you one policy idea for council and one focus area that you think is most important for the board to consider in its work. Then together we'll narrow that down to the top, 2 to 3 that you want to pursue this year as a board and discuss how you can work together as a board, and with council to move these forward during the year. and then we'll just do a quick wrap up at the end. Does all this sound good to you? Is there anything we're missing? All right. Hearing none, I'll stop sharing

[3:04] oops. I can stop sharing. Okay. And as an icebreaker, I thought, we just go around the room the virtual room, if you will, and i'll ask you to share with us an interesting transportation or mobility related elements that you've seen during your travels. This could be funny. It could be good, it could be bad. It could be something you want to bring to Boulder. It could be something you don't want to bring to Boulder, but something in your travels, either domestic or abroad that you found is kind of interesting that you'd like to share with the group. I If anyone's ready to jump in. please go ahead. Otherwise I might call on someone to kind of get it. Get the ball rolling alright with that. How about Ryan? Can you go first? Thanks, Molly. What a fun question! So i'll just my. The first thing that comes to mind is that in college

[4:05] I did that a semester in in August, which is Denmark, that's the second largest city there. I did not go there because it was. I knew it was bytopia or anything like that. But I I I landed there, and the the when I when I got there. The you know I was in this like kind of off campus. I think it was called, You know, they like doors, basically but everywhere it's like, protected by way as it buses everywhere. But, like most importantly, I think I was issued a bicycle like it was like welcome to Denmark. Here is your bicycle. Obviously it was with the program, so some organized, but it reminds me of the research that I understand on when when people move when they make a life change that that that is a that is a great time to catch them and change behavior. And sure enough like everything was new, and then I sort of like what's the word? I, anyway? It's it's my mind that that sort of like how things work. So it just makes me think as as boulder densifies as we create more housing for people. If if we can use that chance when people are moving here or or moving within boulder. It's just such a powerful time to get people's attention about.

[5:14] You know that sort of thing. Great thanks for sharing Trini. How about you next? Or, if you're not ready, you can pass. Okay. How about Becky? So so can you repeat a specific question? You're asking what? Just like, yeah, just is there something transportation related that was interesting that you experienced either here or abroad when you were traveling? I I know I have any left lesson, or take away from my anecdote. But I just love that. There's if you ride one of the subways to its end in Manhattan like if you don't get off the last stop. It'll just take you through this like ghost Station, where it turns around that isn't functional anymore. But it's like there's just enough light that you can see it. So it's it's pretty cool. But yeah, so I I thought that was

[6:14] that was really interesting, and I guess I had 1 one other kind of Manhattan transportation experience I to keep in mind, which is, I was doing some community work with a like kids group, and it was really focused on community agriculture like nothing to do with transportation. But we checked kids to this farm in Brooklyn, and we took them on the fair like, for for a lot of them the best part was not. They didn't really care that much about the farm. They got to take the Ferry and to the farm from Manhattan to Brooklyn, and a lot of them had never been on a boat before, and which is, you know, it's kind of me to help them understand that they lived on an island. So, anyway, yeah.

[7:02] Great thanks, Alex. How about you next? Oh, it sounds funiculous to be pretty cool. I don't think we need one in boulder, but that's a way to cover some some steep grade, and it'd be difficult to walk bike, or even build a road up, and in the meanwhile you got some, usually some pretty good scenery going up and inclined nice. Okay. So mine's not a personal experience, but it's something that I've found in the country, and I think it's so cool, and I really do want to bring it to boulder. I actually am working with someone trying to plan for the fall. which is the bike bus. I don't know if you guys are aware of there's this man that is in Portland. His name is Sam Balto. He's a coach. And so he started once a week, organizing kids in the neighborhood and the bus, and like in lieu of the yellow bus.

[8:02] He he talked to parents, and he got kids to ride with him. And so now it's become this huge thing where, like neighbors that don't have kids go out and cheer the kids on as they pass the the route, and I think it's super cool, and I've talked to him. and I've I've I've actually advice to them to kind of put something together and really protect what he's done, because he's found the way to really get to parents to trust him and get the involvement that he has. So I think that would be really cool to bring to older. very cool. Okay. Okay, I forgot to mention this earlier my apologies. Tila did say she was going to be late. She's doing kid drop off right now, so she will probably be another 10 min or so before she'll be able to join us, so i'm sorry I didn't mention that earlier. Thanks for sharing all that. I'm going to turn it over to stew. Will you be leading the racial equity conversation

[9:10] today? I won't be actually how much will be covering most of it. but I could launch into the that I was going to be delivering to you guys. He's like that. Okay, is it related to to? Yes, yeah, it is it? She'll be able to provide a broader context, but it should be relevant. Yeah, yeah. Okay, Great. Why, don't you introduce yourself, and then are you able to share your screen, or are you just going to talk through it? I believe. So. Yeah, I will be able to pull that up here in just a moment. So hi, everybody. I'm Steve Le Pen. I'm a senior data analyst in the it Department. and i'm here today to tell you guys a little bit more about one of the specific equity tools that the Equity Team developed in partnership with

[10:06] it and the Enterprise data team great. Can you pause for one moment. I see now, and that Natalie, did you want to say something? And so I sent her a message just now to see if she could hop on early. And so if we, if we want to wait, we can do that and see if she'll hop on that way, because she, I know, is going to provide a little bit more just high level context around racial equity, and then it might make a little bit more sense when we dive into the racial equity index as a tool in the toolbox. But yeah, i'll leave that up to you, whatever you think. Yeah, that sounds good. If they have a flow. That's that's that we're planning to go through. We went through the icebreakers a little a little faster. but I think that might be. Okay.

[11:09] Hi, Tila! Hi! Actually great timing. We're gonna put you on the spot. I hope you don't mind first of all. Hi, I'm Molly Scarborough. I'm helping to facilitate this meeting today. Nice to meet you. We were just wrapping up our icebreakers, so we missed the other folks that maybe you can share with us some transportation or mobility element that you found that was interesting at some point during your travels. It could be something funny in your life, just something in your travels Transportation related that you think would be interesting to share. I I remember going to visit friends in Melbourne, Australia. and being amazed at how flexible their curbside management was. So I saw things like 2 min loading zones and 10 min parking zones and traffic lanes that were a bike lane during the morning rush hour in one direction, and a motor vehicle traveling in the rush hour in the evening, for instance.

[12:11] like just really really changing up how they use the street space and being really impressed at how well it worked. Nice. Okay, we're waiting just a couple of more minutes for honesty to join us to start our equity conversation. And, Natalie, do you have a new hand up, or is that your old 10, sorry. That's my old one. Okay, no worries get rid of it. Well, as we're we're doing that. I was just visiting New Orleans I'll i'll. I'll continue with icebreakers while we're waiting. I was just visiting New Orleans, and what I love about the streets. There are all the meetings where they just have single lanes on each side, and rooms for bikes on each side. But these beautiful meetings in the middle that really become part of the community space, and they also provide the opportunity for expansion of the street.

[13:10] Caroline, if needed. But really that flow between transportation and community building that occurs in those meetings. They call them the Neutral grounds I just love so Well, now, like you thought you're going to get out of it. But i'm going to put you on the spot now. Oh, boy, hmm! Let's see. I I don't know. I feel like a gondola just kidding. No, I I think just when I think about other cities that I've enjoyed visiting from a transportation perspective. It has many developments that we're working on here in Boulder. And obviously, you know, we just want to continue to build a lot of the good things that we have, and

[14:03] I feel like we're a pretty good example, and not in all ways, but pretty good example for the at least for the Us. For sure. Question. Valerie, you're welcome to chime in. I thought I might get called next I. My contribution to this is also from a study abroad experience in grad school. I was so I just had the great privilege of being able to spend a few months in the Netherlands. and that is where you you know, with my first encounter with bicycle infrastructure that was a little bit more advanced than the places I had been in my life at that ripe old age of 20, 2 or 3, or whatever I was back then, and I observed sweethearts holding hands, riding their bicycles down the street or down the the path. and it always stuck with me. And so, as I've worked on bicycle facility design in my career, I've always thought about the fact that you really need enough with to be able to hold hands. That's my metric that I like to use very scientific.

[15:15] That's great, and I love that great Hi, Anna! Sylvia, how are you great timing? We are now at the point where we will turn it over to you to start our racial equity conversation. Okay? Well, thank you. Nothing like helping you on like You're on the hot tea now. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks for your time. Good to see everyone. Hope you've had some good couple of weeks. Let me pull up. I think I've been able to some people who need to share my screen. So thank you. And while i'm doing that, so i'm a. And then you're creating a pretty policy advisor. It's like this community and my colleagues and I brought still upon, and so I will be the teams to. As I'm. Pulling up the information. If you want to introduce yourself in your role with the meeting.

[16:10] That'd be helpful. Yeah, I already did my introduction. It's terrible terrible time. Okay? Well. you will not for co-presenting with me. So thank you and let's see. Okay, Can everybody see that? Yes, Great. Alright, so this is being able to give you an overview of what is our racial equity instrument? I'm not gonna go over to the inside of the training, because currently that's one of our 3 courtrooms that we have for the city. and it is not a required or a mandatory training for staff, but it is something that we're now seeing more of the the excitement and the commitment to actually get the knowledge from this training in order to be able to apply it into everyday. And so this is a 4 h training.

[17:11] What i'm here today is really a quick kind of umbrella overview as to how this training is impacting our decision, making how city employees and council is using it. and how it's a a call to action and a challenge for us all, including words and commission, to maybe start thinking, how do we actually, how can we use this tool to apply it to your everyday decision making right so a bit of a recap. This training is coming from care, the Government alliance for racial equity. So that was you remember, last time I was here presenting on racial equity. This is our conversation that really supports local entities. Specifically, government entities to really move racial like we work forward. This is the model that we know that it's best practice, and we know that it has worked

[18:02] in the past and across the nation. And so for this is really focusing for for the for the focus of this information. And really the racial equity instrument is really focusing on this piece of operationalizing the tools. so making sure that we are implementing that, but that all of those tools are really get embedded into the work that we're doing. This really fits with the racial equity plan. So again, a quick recap. What? Specifically around Goal number 2 to justly do it. and really making sure that the strategy No, for back the strategy, 2.3 and 2.2 is really to make sure that any kind of decision that people are thinking about any new service or any new program or a revamped program, especially since pandemic has an equity focus to it. And this tool really supports us in walking through the steps of doing just that. So this is kind of the the why behind the work.

[19:06] and i'll get into a little bit of the how who should really use the instrument where we we're asking for everybody to use it. I also want you to keep in mind that as I'm. Going through some of these steps, one of the areas of focus, or what we want people to do. we want them to Eventually this just become part of who they are, and the way that people think about making decisions right? So while it may sometimes be like, oh, gosh! It's gonna be another 6 page document that we have to fill out where it's another part of the process that we have to meet with the city. Really, the focus is, how can we embed this way of thinking into our colleagues minds and hearts. so that there any kind of new programming that comes into place really has this focus to it? How should it be used? So when this board, when you are thinking about using it, really keeping this in mind, so with inclusion.

[20:02] It is not meant. It's not a tool that is meant to be filled out by someone on their own, or as silent right? Because that just mean. It's just you and your mind and all that, you know it's here, and that's it. If anything is, it actually increases collaboration, and really request that diverse thinking and thought. It really is a step by step process, even if there are some steps that do not specifically might apply to a specific project or a program That's okay. We still want folks to really be thinking about it in the in this sort of not, linear but step one and step 2, because every step builds upon it. Even if there's some areas in which you may not have the full information for a certain step. That's okay. It basically just lets us know that there is a gap that we need to fill right. Or if we don't have access to that information, then what do we need to do in order to obtain that access and then patience. It might seem really tricky at first, and it's it's a very theoretical type of work at first, because it can take some time to really put it into practice.

[21:09] But hopefully, some of the examples that i'm going to be able to highlight for you today can give. You can give you a sense of how it is used across the city. This is also a tree or a tool that we're really using to really impact the transactional versus transformational change. Both. Are you really needed right in any kind of work that we do? Transactional is often it's sort of this, just like the word it's set to section it sort of a one time sometimes encounter, whether that's with the service or a program transformative. It really is focusing on organizational culture and really shifting systems. Right? You will often hear and often subject people will say, Well, the system is broken and the system is broken. There's so many inequities because the system is broken. Actually, in my opinion, the system is functioning exactly how it was designed to function

[22:04] right. And so it just. It requires us for us to think a little bit differently. And what are the things that we really want to add on to systems and have in place. So an example of that, for example. a transactional in a program would be making sure that all of our materials are going to be translated into Spanish or not police, or any other language asking people of color in the community or leaders of color in the communities to really spread the word about any kind of program or service is happening. Transformative would really be like we've done thankfully, is hiring actually someone who can be focused on setting up a language access plan and all that is needed in order to make someone accessible to our services more, and being able to budgetary like. commit the budget that is required to make those translations, and or to provide interpretation services versus assuming that the bilingual staff person who's been hired to do all of the things.

[23:06] the responsibilities to support city. But then, on top of that, to have to add the translation piece is not something that is. it should not just be. Assume that people are going to do that right, but there should be supportive services around it. That's just an example. So now, going into the steps a little bit what this looks like again. It's going to be very high level overview. And please pause me at any moment. If you're like. go back. This doesn't make sense. I need to recap. Okay. So with this tool we walk through folks to go through each of these steps within each of the steps, the document that it has. It asks specific questions to people for them to really consider. So step. One is really establishing outcomes. What do we mean by that? Really, you can think of a general very wide outcome and goal on purpose that you want it could be.

[24:02] We want all residents to feel welcome and included in our community. Great. That's a really amazing outcome. As we go through each step, then we'll get to kind of define that a little bit more step 2 is really collecting data. So we use this visual, and I want to ask you all, what do you understand from this method of glance that you're seeing. What do you make of it? And if anybody knows the origins also feel free to sure, No. any guesses. I think it was like a representation of population by these dots, and then it also, if you have it in color, it's by different. So by looking@thisdatawejustseeabunchofkindofgrayishitalmostlookslikeartisticyouknowthoseareframesthatpeopleartistsmakeby.to.it's really Ne I,

[25:05] and learn that skill in high school no longer have the skill and I So this is so. We can kind of locate ourselves in this map, this right here. this corridor kind of going diagonally. This is probably 36 going into Broadway up to the top right corner of the picture, this diagonal highway that's going. and it's exactly what Becky what you said. Thank you for that. It is the population density of who lives in here. This is called the Racial Drop now, and it was created by the University of Virginia. It's no longer available. We don't longer use it. It's just a really an example. We don't use it to inform data or decisions, because it was based out of the 2,010 census and 2020 census was just it. It wasn't feasible financially for this team to put it together. But when we click on the dots exactly like that, you are referencing is, for every dot represents one person

[26:02] in this map specifically, and you can look at this, or you used to be able to look at this you could narrow down into every city, across the State across the nation. And so when we narrow down to boulder dots that are in blue are people who identify as white dots that are in yellow are people who identify as what they know for Hispanic red is people who identify As Asian Green is people who identify as black or African American. and I believe that that's it. And so. once we can put some color into this, what data this data tells us is that before in the gray that we could see pockets of density, right of population by adding color to it, it adds a whole. Another layer of information that we can really see. So, for example, where you see a lot of the yellow dots up here by this is 4,500. This is older Meadows area

[27:00] done here. This is Belmont Road, right around Thirtieth Street. This is some, i'm in Central and the other mobile phone community out East. We have some any guesses on this red area. What might that be? I thought. There's like university housing in that area. Yep. So this is people in red people identify As Asian. And so it's housing density on folks who are who come here to study to do our postgraduate studies right? So this can really important. Sometimes we learned as a city, especially a couple of years ago. that we had a huge gap in data just in how we were collecting it. we often would not collect demographics, only certain programs. We're collecting demographics or income information, for example, or location of services. And so that was a huge effort in being able to bring to here was

[28:02] amazing, because he has been able to go into a little bit later. just being able to kind of extract and figure out where all of those data pieces of information that is, see, the employees can be really beneficial for us to know who owns those data? Where are they located where they saved? Is it on the one drive of people, or is it it's a full sharepoint that people can have access to right. And so being able to collect data is really important, because often we want to make sure that both exist the quantitative piece to it, but also the quality of piece you might have heard about the community connectors and residence program, which is the community connectors program that really brings in the qualitative data aspect to some of in informing some of the decisions that we've taken here at the city. and so both are important. It's okay. If you would notice that you have more information with one or the other. But just being aware of kind of that dynamic of of your data

[29:02] step number 3 really goes through questions to determine benefit and burden. really figuring out, okay, what are the things that we can really see at the top? Great. We can address those. But what about the underlying things that we cannot see me? So when we talk about, for example. one example that i'll going to detail later is really knowing and learning why. During Covid Why, we're are letting a population over represented in the hospitalizations right in Boulder County. We can begin by saying, Well, folks didn't have access to face masks, right? Or they lost their job. So they they're more in service related job positions like restaurants positions. Okay. But then why is that so? Then Step 3 really gets that gets us at addressing the root causes and figuring out Well, why is it that the majority of our Latino population works at not everybody, but the majority works on service Oriented positions.

[30:03] Why is it that they were predominantly over represented in the hospitalizations right? Was it because they didn't have access to health care or the vaccines? Or was it misinformation, right, or mistrust in government and the public system. all of that can exist. What is really important on this step is that we're asking the question to get at the root cost, because ultimately the focus of this instrument is to address those root causes, so that when we're envisioning a new system. 5, 1020 years from now. we are not exacerbating even more when we get to that place. Does that make sense? Strategy or step? Number 4 is really developing strategies? So you remember you have step 1, 2 and 3 with a really good mindset like, okay. I know that this Xyz data point is really important to consider.

[31:00] I've heard from my community that this in this aspect will be actually burdensome to my community. So we're not going to do that. So then, what are your strategies? Let me give you an example the library at the height of the pandemic. During that summer the library was trying to figure out when we knew we were going to come back still virtually in the fall of 2,020 for school. They're saying, Gosh! What are we going to do to support our community, especially our parents who might be single income, parents who are having to plug their kids into school. Right? The library thought. Well, let's just create learning pods at the library. We can open it. and in a very structure way. We're only people who are getting tested for Covid and have access. We can have learning plans of 4 h where kids can just get dropped off and get signed on, get support for their schooling, get plugged in, etc. great. They developed this whole strategy and plan. They came to community connectors and residents to present this point and say, hey, what do you think about this? We're we're thinking about this initiative.

[32:05] Once community connectors and the people who are really going to benefit from this started asking the questions like. Can you administer medication to my child in that 4 h because they're going to need it. Well, no, because we run into child care licensing. Okay. can they be for longer? Can they be at the learning pot for longer than 4 h, because i'm working at a restaurant, and I cannot leave my shift. Come, pick them up, drop them off back home and then come back to work right? Well, no, we can't do that because of child care licenses. Okay, what about my oldest child who's in Middle school. Can they help the elementary school? Well, no, because we have in a different school. So throughout all these questions that they were really asking. our community members ended up saying, You know what? Thank you. But no, thank you. That's actually going to create a way more of a burden on us versus providing a benefit. And so then the beauty of this is that library incredible team was able to be like, okay, then, scratch that one. What do you need. and we heard from community very, very loudly to say, we just need hotspots, so that my child is not getting plugged in through my phone

[33:11] and on the phone and watching their classmates or their teacher online. Right? I need the hotspot so that i'm not rocking up my data and that I can actually pay my water bill versus paying my cell phone bill, and that's like $200. And so that's what the city did ended up switching about like 50 or more hotspots, or 150 hotspots with the monthly service he provided. so that kids could really get into school. So why I give you that example because you could get as far as Step 4 and be like, okay, I think I think we can as a board we can offer staff, or we can offer directions to stuff and what to do next. But if you're learning that actually is gonna be worst or it's not going to create the impact that you were hoping to get based on your outcome that you wanted It's okay to just sort of scratch it out right and to not be married to something and

[34:01] to hold it so tightly. Then they're like No, we have to go through this process. Not at all. That's why this exists, and how it's been really incredibly beneficial for City Staff Step 5 is really implementation and evaluation. So whatever strategy, once you've gone through your sale, okay, we've gotten to that with you because it's going to be really helpful. Can this work really? Making sure that through your implementation and evaluation you are tracking. How is this actually impacting communities of color? Right? How is it is impacting communities, experiencing disabilities, and really making sure that that the out, the step, one or the outcome you were really hoping to accomplish is actually going to be accomplished. And then the last step we ask all of our colleagues. We're walking through this to really report back. Does that mean whether reporting that that's whether that's community or reporting back to higher leadership because it ultimately builds stress.

[35:00] We're really learning that when community connectors are giving feedback on certain programs. and when, 6 months, 7 months later, they might see something be implemented, but still come back to it and say. here's how your group really impacted this decision, and these are the decisions that we created because of your feedback. It really continues that connection, and building that bridge and trust with government. I went through that relatively quick and also just. It was a very simplified overview. But i'm going to pause here for questions if anybody has them. How is this landing on this? I'll ask a question. Yeah. thank you. This is planning. This is this is good. It it seems familiar, but also I Some of this is new. It's great. I guess. I'm just wondering if on the outcomes back on the

[36:01] got the number of of the the items, but I just really curious about about, I guess where that we are with with transportation. or the city on on having outcomes established for transportation. This might be if we're going to get to that or whatever. But I just will say that I'm: very. I shouldn't like, okay, yeah, let's let's talk about this outcome. Have time. I'm: I'm: excited to that. Yeah. that's a really good question. I don't know if that's a question for you, Val or Natalie and Meredith. Yeah, I'm happy to speak to that. I think we're continuing to work on developing outcomes. We do. I would say, kind of at a project basis. We're doing that right now at an individual project project basis. But you know, as we go into future transportation plan updates or for the city-wide kind of equity framework objectives. Those are the kind of things that we want to focus on from a racial equity outcome standpoint.

[37:11] and those are there is where we would make additional updates. So I think we're doing it on a project by project basis at this point, and then, you know we'll have more broader framework as we move forward. Valerie, do you have anything to add to that? No, that covers it? Thank you. I have a question. does this do just? Is this tied into the Council policy making process or not? I'm: curious like what that inner play is? Yeah, not not about level yet with policy. My understanding that's the hope for sure.

[38:03] and that's more usually initiated by Steps right on whatever policy they're they're creating, especially if it's a new policy. That's something that we're asking to do. But it hasn't been in the past. And so again, we've just really implemented this like 4 years ago. However. here here's the the thing that we're really seeing, because people have had the role of government training which I know is what you've seen communications around that to take that training. And then, by some microversion, training people have a really strong foundation on where racial equity is. And why should we believe, with racial equity as a city. But now there's really that commitment to bring in this other layer of okay, what does it then look like to actually operationalize tools and actual documentation. That's going to help us to create policies that are really focused on equity. And so it's it's one of those, you know, like why should come first? The chicken are the right.

[39:01] It's sort of all of it at the same time. but a lot of it really starts with What is our colleagues understanding of this instrument? What is our colleagues understanding? And in developing actions, to be able to implement this and and sort of we're at that to the point. This year is the first year we're starting to offer this training on a monthly basis, because there wasn't the traction yet that we were seeing there was a commitment which didn't have attraction. They share in 2,023. We have been able to add this for our training every month, because there is that thirst and hunger for our colleagues to really want to implement it in a larger level. He let it look like you may have had a hand up. Is that right? And then on a Sylvia? After that we'll have about 15 min left for this portion of the agenda. Thank you. Go ahead, Tila. Hi! Thanks! So i'll still be I. I really appreciated hearing the kinds of examples of these steps, because that's really the hardest part. As as you mentioned. a lot of people are struggling with like. How do we implement this? And what does it look like in actions that really helped.

[40:05] We kind of figure out what you're talking about, and to I don't want to put Natalie on the spot. or Valerie. But when we're talking about that applying this like project by project, clearly with the high risk network work. and in the changes to the Dcs we were talking about last night with like. Obviously, the the racial component is right front and center like, and and so I get how that weighed in and how that was implemented. But i'm curious about whether this was applied when we were when you're developing the E Bike incentive program because we talked a lot last night about income ability, but it left out some disability, considerations, or age considerations, and I don't think we even talked about racial equity considerations for this for that project. So if if you did, Can you describe a bit about how you applied it? And when you were developing

[41:00] the plans for the E bike incentives. Hello, Valerie, take this one. Yeah, thanks so much for offering this chance to kind of get the tangible example. So not every project, you know, really kind of follows some kind, you know, standard checklist, which is really what honest Sylvia was articulating just now, I think, for the E. By consent of program. there's a few things that I think would be good to illustrate how the the information that we generated through going through the racial equity instrument really informed how we developed and structured the incentive program. So one thing is. when we looked at other cities that had incentive programs, whether they were for e bikes or other offerings related to energy, we we found that many had a first come first. Serve

[42:00] kind of system in place, so Denver is structured that way. Many energy rebates that you might find state and and otherwise are are like that where it's really about availability of of a limited amount of money, and this kind of scarcity effect. and it's almost like you're going on ticket master to get concert tickets to Taylor Swift, right? It's very tense and maybe unattainable for some folks to be able to be on the computer at 9 am. On a Tuesday when the application window open. So we really thought a lot about that in terms of the equity of accessibility of the program To you know the residents of Boulder, and worked really hard to put in place a different system that would be based on random selection instead, so it wouldn't really exclude folks that might not be able to access the application portal. We we had been thinking about that. But along the way we had scheduled a visit with the community connectors and residents

[43:05] which you know, is that group of community connectors that are available to project teams. We brought them the basics of the application process that we were shaping, and really wanted to make sure that there weren't things that we hadn't thought about. I think they were really happy to confirm for us that that would, you know, be a better system that was good for for us to have that confirmation, but they also illuminated other considerations we hadn't thought of, including. you know, if someone does have a voucher, and it helps cover most of the cost. What about the remainder of the cost? Some people might not have access to those kinds of funds at point of sale, and might need to have a payment plan or something like that. So we heard a lot of feedback that we wouldn't have really.

[44:00] you know, thought about. If we had just done kind of a best practices approach of looking at what other cities had done, and that feedback was really invaluable, and I think it's a good illustration of how we can go through the steps of the racial equity instrument. But we have these other tools and resources at the city that give us even more insight into. You know the lived experience of boulder residents that help us fine tune, and our strategies as as we go. So if you're looking at this screen. And you're thinking about the steps. You know. We really we're able to benefit from the community connectors and residents around that step. 4 of of program development. That's just one example of of how we leverage the the tools that the city offers. Okay, Thank you. That was yeah. Oh, very interesting. Thanks. I will turn it over to you, stupid, this next section.

[45:06] And yeah. So i'm here today to tell you guys a little bit about an additional tool that we developed to kind of work in concert with the racial of the instrument, and that is our racial equity index. So what this is, is, it's a 5 level rank system for 90 census block groups that cover the attorney of the city of Boulder and our sub communities. and it's meant to highlight areas. We need based on a combination of demographic and economic data. Yeah. So an area with level 5 on this map would be an area of greatest concern based on the It's a combination of data from the Us. Census Bureau and from the city of over itself. And this is kind of a mix of both art and science. That's the quantitative and qualitative pieces that obviously you mentioned before. For reasons i'll get into very briefly. There are a lot of limitations would be data that available from the census

[46:06] while it is still some of the best quality data we have available. And so we really wanted to go the extra mile to make sure that I mean validated the data here against the insights and the experiences of staff and representatives, such as the community connectors and see a request. There, there we go. Okay. And this is meant to slot in, Really, with that second step of the instrument, as you guys are going through a project or someone's like gathering the data. It's great way to just get a very quick snapshot of how things are distributed and put that and putting them into place very early on. So a little bit of background on the data going into it, we polled a lot from the American Community survey. which is put out by the Us. Census Bureau. And this data set is used to generate over 675 billiondollars

[47:10] in terms of how that is distributed. limitation here being that there are very high margins of error. You can think of this as like the resolution of the do. You seem to be cutting out a little bit for me? I don't know if anyone else is saying some nods. so we can barely hear you. It's still a little sketchy. Yeah, it seems like it's more audio than like connection potentially your headset or something.

[48:02] Yeah. Sorry. What's that? All right. Let me jump ahead here a little bit. Essentially the take away here with the American community Survey. It's got a lot of great data. but there are some limitations to it. We didn't want to rely on that exclusively. So we combined the data from the Cs with data collected by and housing services and their various meeting programs for the community. This gave us point data which we thought would be valuable. Given that black, indigenous people of color are disproportionately represented across these programs. and our hope was that in combining these 2 sources of data we would be able to move past the limitations of each individual data set to get at a picture which is reflected in the actual reality of people within the city. So the individual elements that go into the index. First and foremost we have the percent of the block we population that are by Pop.

[49:07] and we double weighted this within the index for a variety of reasons, the main reason being that it would help to offset the sort of systematic undercounting small group can occur with the Acs data collection. We also wanted to better balance the economic variables because we have 3 of those that make the way in Dex. It's also reflected with the city's race forward approach to pursuing equity, and it's this sat really well with all the focus groups you brought this in front of. we combine that with the meeting income of the block group, the percent of the rocky population, low poverty, and the percent of the population enrolled in the in just aid programs. So in order to use this tool, it's available a number of different ways. We have it available as a web map. We will be making it publicly available later this year. Right now it's intended to be used with additional data layers to inform decisions for city staff.

[50:09] really very much those initial stages of the planning process. But there's not. Oh, we're not very prescriptive about it. You, we've already seen some very creative applications of it that are promising. but at its core it's just meant to draw attention to areas potential need during those stages not to supersede project-specific indicators and it's meant to be as accessible as possible to really give you a quick look and drive further investigation. You can just look at this and see. Hey, if we are allocate resources based on index, it seems like they're following in the the index. Why is that? Well. you know, Rob. obviously not trying to systematically exclude groups. But what sort of existing structures or systems might in it

[51:01] be pushing us in that direction. This gives you a way to sort of counteract that. Just a couple of ways that this has been used so far right now, Parks and Rec has combined it with use population data to create a new equity index. You you guys mentioned the an implementation with the Dcs colleagues put together really really great use as well. And we're also looking at using it with tree canopy data and other built environment information to see how some of our other city resources are distributed, and how that looks from an equity standpoint in the future. And i'd be happy to answer any questions you guys have about that. But first I want to. So be it to close things up. Thank you. So let me give you a very quick, high level of example. The other thing I didn't mention is, you see this as a 6 step process. One of the things that we also ended up doing during the pandemic is we? We created a quick

[52:05] four-step process that just asks really 4 main questions. I almost got to everything. Of this. What is the burden or the impact that your community might experience. Will funds be misallocated, or have to be pulled from another service in order to meet that need, etc., etc., and one of the things that we wanted to actually address was the the remove, the barrier for access to our communities of color, our elder communities to access vaccines for free. So here was sort of the quick outcome of what we, how we worked this through the outcome. There is. We wanted all older residents to have simple, direct, and no cut, no cost, access to Covid vaccines collecting data. What we were learning was the higher rates of hospitalization that I've already mentioned the fact that we knew that a lot of our Latino population, not all, but some of them are a lot of them. Don't, have access to health care. A lot of the registrations at the moment were happening. All virtual, and people had to navigate pages of figuring out an open appointment at safeway at King Super so many different areas. It was just hard to navigate that system.

[53:10] The online system also required, or it didn't require any. But it wasn't explicitly said, but it would ask for people for their social security number or for their health insurance. And so, when somebody who is not used to that system needs to complete every piece of the paperwork. If I am an undocumented individual, I will think i'm not eligible for this, because I do not have a social security number, even though that was not a requirement, right? So there was just a lot of in between the lines that it wasn't so clear, and it was becoming a barrier for people. We quickly determine the benefit and the burden of what would it look like for us to host. Vaccine clinics, right? Who would be the the communities that we really want to support? And what would be our outcomes for like decrease hospitalization? Really, the burden falls on us as government, and in collaboration with older county public help to figure out all the logistics of establishing a mobile home

[54:06] vaccine click. The the developing the strategies. We made sure that we looked at some of the index that that mapping that we knew. And so we ended up hosting the clinics. Over at Crestview Elementary School we had access, and the partnership with Bbsd to be able to finagle all the logistics and the permits around hosting something on a weekend. We made sure that in our campus there was no requirement of a social security number or health insurance. It was free of cost, so I wasn't going to charge them, but they didn't have if they wanted to make an appointment great, but that they need didn't need an appointment to actually come and and have access to the to the vaccine. When we implemented and evaluated, we made sure to connect with other partners like as Anthony Staff, who their promotoras program was a huge, huge collaborator to get the word out to community specifically who really needed it.

[55:03] making sure that we were at sites like elementary schools that were really familiar to people, and they were already trust building and hosting them a weekend. We had interpretation services. We had other resources in the community that were there, providing, you know, food, bank information. How do you cover your rent if you're struggling to pay your rent like we had music. So it just was really something that was didn't feel so official and so intimidating. And in really the reporting that we saw a huge success, so we were able to really bring those vaccine clinics to people who needed it to people experiencing homelessness. For example, we were able to give an incentive of come, get a sack, lunch the ticket for bus paths. and come get vaccinated for people. This is just a very quick overview of what that looks like through the step, and making sure that we were well, we were not going to maybe be able to address every single barrier that was out there in terms of access to Covid vaccine.

[56:05] where at least we're able to capture the folks that we muted. And so this was just a this is an example of the actual fly that we printed out, and we delivered door to door to people, including our connectors that help to spread the word where information was just clear the location. the type of vaccine. But it was a 100% free. No appointment or no other, Id or anything like that required. Okay. So now, if you're able to show me with your hand, or maybe on the chat, if you're off camera from the sort of a 0 to 5 where you are of like 0. You're like. I have no idea what this is, and I don't think i'll ever look at it again, because it just don't get it to 5, being like I would be an expert at this. I am an expert, and I can implement it tomorrow. The team. Where are you? At that spectrum

[57:00] 2 4 3 great. that you need for 3. 8. Okay. So it's helpful. So thank you so much. You certainly this is not meant for you to just do it on your own either. Right? You have staff here that's supporting you. You have me in case I need to come into another connection time with you, you have to, who can really support staff to access that. And really, ultimately, it's just to to make sure that we're doing. We're doing our part as decision as leaders and decision makers to make sure that the the programs and services we're really thinking about we are including everyone. I will look at that right on the doctor. Great. Thank you, Anna Sylvia. We are at time, but if there are any burning questions for honest Sylvia's to before we move on to the next agenda Item, we we can take those, and otherwise we'll move on. And as on the Sylvia said, you, you have staff.

[58:14] You can always reach out to to get more information or get questions answered later as well. Any burning questions. Thanks, Molly. First, I I mean I with this sort of, and and and pretty roughly, I so I we had to at least say thank you to this is really this is really great, and the the the mapping, and the quantitative that work that work it's it's so. It's so important, and I know it's. It's kind of early days, but you know, like California has their Calvira screens. They've had for years, and it's become a sort of like it's built on itself, and it's gotten bigger and bigger, and it's become a really big way to figure out how to make investments. And I I felt that when I started tab that we were missing something like that. And so

[59:04] it's. It's great. It's really great for your work, I guess my question is. I think I've asked this before, but it it it. it's. The question is my impression is that right now? I mean, I guess Natalie sort of said that the focus of the use, the consideration of the Racial Index Equity Index and the tool is on projects. I would love us to get to a consideration of Ha! What is what is our understanding of the status quo, because we know that nationally cost burden in terms of financial costs, tied costs, and other costs of transportation, and it's related housing component is usually inequitable and disproportionately so with communities of color, and I just really eager to get that back to council to our, to our political decision makers and help them understand the things we need to do to to make changes

[60:01] with respect to. How does the status quo look? So? I I know it's a massive question, and maybe it just goes to the next amp, or whatever version of the next Tmp process we have. But I just would put that out there, and if there's any any thoughts on that, thanks. Thank you so much for for thank you for the gratitude. It's it's been a lot of work, but it's very intentional work, and that's something that working, collaborating with I'm. Very honored and very proud to be a part of the other thing with that is an amazing question, and I would support you a 100%. One thing that we've noticed is you: this is the first presentation that i'm doing. I'm like we instrument for a board commission. So you are way ahead of the game, and i'm so great for you. I'm so grateful for your leaders in this in this meeting. because that's a commitment from your leaders right? Who direct this board to say, yeah, this is a priority for us. One of the things that really shifted, that internally, for city staff was having that foundation over with government training. And so that is a beginning of being able to then implement these

[61:08] these tools and embed them at a just a deeper level versus just letting them be up to just whatever board member or a leader to decide to bring this to to you as a board, right or like it across other departments. And so and and but this is this is the work. This is the work that is worth it. You can take some time to get there. but I I really believe it's valuable in that move, and she'll get there. Yeah. yeah, i'll just I mean, I'll just add, I think the it does like as honestly you said, like, it just takes time right. And so I think i'm super proud of the transportation mobility department, because Staff, like Valerie have done a lot of work to make sure that we're incorporating this work into the projects that we're doing. And and I think we're kind of ahead of the curve. When you look at the entire organization, a lot of the departments are doing really great work, but we're probably at least, you know, in the top 3 to 5 departments that are, you know, really continually trying to make sure that it's a priority in the work that we're doing. Because it does. You know it.

[62:16] It. It adds time and resources needed for projects, and so sometimes those are hard trade off conversations that departments have about. Well, they've just got to keep moving on a project. and and so i'm proud of the work that we're doing as a department, and also it does just take time and resources, and so to be able to embed it to further past projects, but into programs and policies and everything we're doing as an entire organization. You know, we're going to get there, but it's just a long road. So I think kind of Sylvia has like a slide about that or something. So yeah, that's I just wanted to echo that. And I think it also requires other decision. Makers like transportation is not just you. It's is the state, and it's Rtd. And it's other entities that are not where we are yet. But that's that's the influence that then some of our leaders can really have.

[63:11] So it's it's not just all on me. I just. I also want you to know that you don't have to hold the rate of the world. I appreciate it because you are holding it with me, and with that everyone else. Yeah. I will let you delete the rest of your meeting. Thank you so much. Really Appreciate your time. You're doing so much. Thank you. Really appreciate it thanks everyone. We will move to our next agenda item, which is discussion of policy areas of emphasis. And so what I'd like you to do Well, first of all, is everyone have access to a computer right now. Do all tab Board members have access to a computer right now. Yes, Alex, I can't see you. So you

[64:00] i'm just on my phone. So now. So now, okay, so that might change how we do things a little bit, which is fine. What i'm gonna do is share my screen. I think some of you may have gotten an email from Meredith earlier with a link to this mural board. And sorry. Now let me move, you guys off of there, there you go. and and so I will share my screen with this. This is just a way to kind of whiteboard as we discuss, and what i'll do, because not everyone has access to computer is as we're going through the discussion. I'm going to be adding these post. It notes kind of as you're raising different ideas, and just kind of quickly putting the quick sort of statement of what those of what that discussion is, and putting it on the board. So those of you who have

[65:06] access to computer you can kinda look at it and move around as well just to orient you a little bit if you just put your cursor anywhere in a blank area and hold it down. Then you can move the board around to an area where you can find it. You can use your mouse roller to zoom in and out or over here on the lower right. You see, also a plus and a minus where you can zoom in and out. So for purposes today, I think i'll probably be the one primarily kind of putting some some ideas down, although if most people have some, then maybe we can do a little sort of combo Where, Alex, you give me some things to put on there, and and others are doing it on their own. And so what we'll do first, and so again, sort of orientation for those of you who are in it. You can. Over here on the left you'll see a row. Icons. We're really just using the top one.

[66:10] which is sticky notes. and you click on that, and then you see a bunch of sticky notes, and you can just take it and pull it over so you can just pull a sticking over over like that. You click on it. You see the cursor, and you can type within that. If for some reason you're not able to type. Then just click the text format and then try again so, and then you can. We can move these around so what i'd like you to do. Oh, I see Trainee is testing, as already with some purple post. It's Thank you. Hi! Perfect. So. Cheney, I am going to delete your test, but I am glad that you're You're experimenting, which is great. What I thought we could do first is. let's just take a few moments, and I want each of you to take a yellow, sticky note. So, Trini, i'm going to delete your purple one real quick

[67:12] again. Come over here, Click on here. Grab a yellow post it No. pull it over and on the yellow, sticky notes right down. You had some homemark. Write down your idea for what might be a key focus area for the board this year. and then getting how to do how to get a sticky note. I just keep my pad. Yes, so over on the left, do you? Icons in that black row of icons click on sticky note, and then you should see icon. So what does sticky note look like. Oh, i'm sorry. This is the very top one. Thank you. That's an important part. Yes, click on the top, icon.

[68:01] and then then just go hold one of the yellow, sticky notes and just bring it over, and i'll just bring some over. Someone can use my test as well. and in the yellow, sticky notes. Write down your Id idea for a key focus area for the board this year. When you're done with that, you can also start in orange writing a policy idea for Council. If you're not sure which category that falls into, you can just use this little kind of Beijing note if you will, so go ahead. And those who are in there start just writing down, and i'm gonna kind of move. We're going to talk about actions later. So i'm going to move some of these over. And just under this or around this policy area of emphasis, you can start

[69:02] putting some sticky notes down and writing just high level statements of what you want. Alex. I want you to be thinking about that. And just a moment while everyone's kind of doing the writing. I'm going to turn to you and and get you to kind of articulate to me what you might want to put on there. I just messaged you with. Oh, okay, text Reach. Okay, Great. Sorry. I don't have my chat. So let me let me get that something. I mean not to interrupt you if you're still going for you. Okay, so sorry to be possibly disruptive. But i'm just. I'm just thinking about this. I I love this this question and this exercise. But my. I thought, is sort of on, like the the premise that we would have a focus have focused areas. It's not. I'm not sure that we've really had focus areas to date, like I I I mean that sort of we implicitly. But, like you know, I would say, can is something that we spend a lot of time with, but it's because we're responding to something that Council gave us, which is fantastic.

[70:06] but which is partly something that we kind of just like figured out, not through a strategic meeting like this. And so I guess i'm wondering if there's it. I don't know if other skill this is ever like like I thought we should have focused area his. But then I we didn't see. But, Alex, go ahead for a couple of years I was harping on materials because I I feel like that, for the biggest opportunity was so often throughout the year when agenda items came away. I would speak to the importance of them in the context of what was coming our way. and so to me that felt like a a focus of our our meeting the meeting operations. but to actually make a huge dent in that it took something like the core arterial network which isn't something that we're going to be able to accomplish in a single meeting. That's more of a big picture thing that needs to come from Council. And so I think some examples of focus areas could be about communications or climate, and how the climate action plan

[71:06] is used with what we're working on, or perfect examples. What we just talked about earlier about the equity could be a focus area, and the application of the racial equity tool could be something that we we do in the upcoming year. Well before a council retreat, when some of the bigger policy items might come into play. Does that make sense? Is that something that is, do do we want more conversation around it, or do we want to continue with this kind of exercise at this point? What do you think I have a question. Yes, Tila. so I I went back this morning and looked at our instructions, for you know, preparing for this section. and then at the end it said, You're not. You know. Council has already identified it's policy. It's policies for the year, and that's how it's informing staff

[72:04] work plan, and you're not going to add anything to staff work plan. So what what am I doing here? What if I have a policy idea for council? What what does that mean i'm, i'm just so lost. and that that, Alex. Do you want to answer that as well? Sure, I think a good example that might be relevant for you, though, is remember years ago, when 20 is plenty of something that we had talked about in the context of the Tmp. Update and perhaps neighborhood speed, and that wasn't something that could just happen quickly. That was something that took council working to Council direction to get it into the staff work, plan and to ensure that Staff had the resources to commence that endeavor trying to figure out how and if 20 is plenty, it's gonna go what it's gonna come to be or not.

[73:02] So I I know I'm, I'm really dense about this, and you know this is my absolute favorite thing to do for Ted. So what you just described is that a policy idea for council, or is it a focus area? Or how would you categorize by if I had to do a sticky on the the hypothet, the the the situation you just described. I think that would be a policy. The top 20 is plenty. Yeah, talking about that meeting in and meeting out wouldn't probably lead to that happening as effectively as it would to as bringing that to Council and the Board making the case. So this is a really important thing to do. and then the policy direction that Council could provide would then fit into the staff work plan. They're thinking that for this prompt was in and years past. I think the Board has identified things that we would like to see happen. But Staff's resources are understandably very tied, and the direction doesn't need to come from us. We're merely here to advise city, manager and and council, and so the the

[74:08] The biggest opportunity that might be before us is when the new Council is seated in November, and then they have their retreat, and early next year, and they'll set up the the 2 year work plan. and that will be the next opportunity to get something big like can or something like 20 is plenty done. Okay, but it's not like cans going to be done by then. I know. I hesitate to add something new. You know a new squirrel for them to get distracted by, because i'd really like them to hang on the can spoiler. My My policy is about ways to further support. Can I think there are probably plenty of things that we could do in other areas of the department outside of the the capital project or or or study type stuff. There are plenty of policy and program areas that would not

[75:01] to track from the ongoing can efforts. Yeah, I kind of just echoing what else is saying? I think it's not necessarily speaking to the current council. It's thinking about how we're talking to the next Council and giving us sort of a head start. And because those are people who are going to run in a few months, and you know there's going to be turnover. It's going to be a different council, and if we can be prepared with what we want to talk to those folks about like well in advance of their retreat, because they just come in, and then they get thrown in so quickly. If we can kind of be ready to have that conversation early. And I think that's how we can be most effective. So that's the sort of advantage of thinking about it now, even though. even though it's not going to be added to the plate of the current Council this year. I think we can also give Staff a bit of a heads up as well they can. They can help that. Whatever crazy ideas we have, and make sure that the information that's getting to council reflects not just our our ideas and ambitions, but the realities that

[76:04] the people ultimately responsible for for doing the work. Face Yeah, absolutely. and flash forward after we first get your ideas down, and we start kind of narrowing it down to manageable 2 or 3. It's the top items. Then our conversation is going to move. To what actions can you as a board, take or in working with council again, as Alex and others were saying to kind of prep these ideas and to continue working. Okay. here, i'm gonna take Ryan, i'm going to help you out just a minute. Yeah, I think I think somehow you ended up in like a text box instead. So let me let me take that.

[77:03] Yeah, let me move that over here. I make a little bit bigger because you get some more. Okay. so 2 cents it's not done. I'm just. I'm. I've got a pays a scrap of the pace here. I'm trying to edit. So if I can. Just I have a minute here. Okay, Great. And so double click on that where you are, and you you should be able to get into the actual text part alright so we'll get folks just another minute.

[78:04] I have a question. Is it just one idea, or can we share multiple? So we'd like to kind of hear? What is your top idea for kind of a focus area for board or policy idea for council, but maybe just one or 2 at the most. Just so we can, because our next step is to kind of start narrowing down. So we really want to get your your. The things that you feel are most important. Thank you.

[79:07] Alright. Just maybe one more. few more. One more minute to wrap it up. Okay. Okay. let's see. Got one more getting getting written.

[80:02] Okay. So i'm going to you guys kind of finish wrapping up all right, and i'm gonna move these a little bit. So we were using orange for some Council policies and potential council policies and recommendations for them, and then yellow for kind of focus areas for the board again. We know there's a lot of kind of overlap between these. We've got a couple of colors that we're unclear, so develop it supporting current council policies. And I think probably is more of a council policy. Okay? So i'm going to change this to Orange, if that's okay, Ryan said.

[81:03] Fits with the Council policy colors and hold on. Sorry i'm having. And the idea is to kind of coalesce around ultimately 2 or 3 threads to help organize your deliberations and your recommendations to council, and you know on whatever you know, that you have some some influence over. And so that's why we're kind of limiting it to a few for the conversation. Okay, and so I think this is probably more of a board. So i'm gonna review these quickly. And this looks like it could be a forward item. So i'm just gonna change it to yellow, real quick. all right. So and again, we can kind of move these around eventually to.

[82:08] So in terms of potential focused areas for the board, some items are focusing on safety for kids traveling to and from school. E. Bikes, speed management and regulations. continuing to work to tame our materials and reduce neighborhood isolation. understanding barriers to transportation goals from other departments. noting community vitality and planning is a a potential to consider getting the most out of capital project opportunities. As Alex mentioned, I think, particularly as they're related to can developing recommendations for the next Council to your work plan in time, and a way to have it for it to have a real impact. and providing an assessment to council on how the current transportation system is performing visa, the racial equity before we kind of jump into those. I'm also gonna just review the policy ideas as well for Council.

[83:13] which includes creating new funding mechanisms to expedite the can implementation. integrating transportation and land use to support city livability, goals. increasing efforts to meet greenhouse gas goals, deadline supporting current council priorities, namely, can again sort of say, focusing on that kids safety zones for kids traveling to and from schools eliminating off street parking mandates and facilitating resources. To our first responders. Are there any questions about any of these are they? As I kind of read those off. Was there anything that I mentioned that it's sort of unclear in your mind? What was meant by that statement.

[84:09] Tila. Yeah. So 2 questions. The the one that's highlighted right now. Safety zones for kids traveling to and from school seems more. I'm: i'm not sure. That's a policy idea for a council, I don't know. And then the the second one, I think this was Becky's. Can I stop you just for a second to take one. Yeah, just we'll take one at a time. So the safety zones for kids traveling to and from schools. Whoever wrote that you want to talk a little bit about how you saw it as a sort of policy idea. I I wrote it, and I think that there there there are historically ways to implement our policy, so so we can protect Kids City Council can get involved and just delineate certain zones, certain

[85:08] and conjunctions with with with Bbsd. But I think that there is an opportunity there for a city council to get involved and jump in. There's been a lot of conflict right now with older High school. Specifically, I don't know if you're aware of all that conversation. But but I think that there's a good opportunity to make sure that the kids are safe, and that city council can. I don't know. form something to to make sure the kids are safe. Great, Thank you. And she like the second one you wanted a little clarification on. Yeah, I think it was Becky who did the understanding barriers to transportation goals from other departments. Can you help me fill that out in my mind? Yeah, yeah, and as much as the information gathering. But I guess I think of sort of the 3 biggest to me, like biggest struggles in the past year.

[86:06] like Project Wise. or at least I don't know most difficult to resolve issues that came across Tabs plate in some form. We're like the grand View Situation, West Pearl and North Broadway, and each of those the answer. as I understood it, was always that there is some barrier outside of transportation. That's cause that's why we can't do Xyz. and it wasn't funding. It was just like I mean funding in some way, but that wasn't the main barrier. It was like there were other procedural barriers like North Broadway. We can't make it safer by changing the parking allocation, because there's some processes. and i'm I'm. Actually in conversation with the legal department and have a meeting set up the planning to try to really figure out what the barrier is. but this just seems to keep coming up with some of these projects, where, like I just feel like we're we're not like it's just I I left. I'm. Kind of left feeling very

[87:04] confused and sort of unsatisfied with understanding how something went and how we're actually going to achieve our goals. When there's clearly some issues out that are like there's some I I don't know that the other departments have the same goals, and it makes it hard to figure out how we're actually going to achieve those goals of the city if they're not all aligned. Okay, Thank you. That's that's kind of what I was hoping you were, we were thinking. but I just wanted to make sure. I know that you understood sort of the just the shorthand version that had to fit on the sticky note so cool. Great any other questions about what's on the sticky notes before we move on, Alex. I would just note that the sticking out development recommendations for the next council. That's sort of the intent of the the orange sticky notes below. So I think that's almost like a a default focus area for us, because that's what we're going to be talking about next. Got it? What is the yellow? The yellow is policies that do not affect like, do we do not? They are focused areas for the board, the Board specifically to work on.

[88:08] but but, like the Board, I mean our our mission is to is to advise council and city manager and planning board per City code. So I don't think we don't. We don't care physically about our own. Just talking about it. Right? So I mean it's it's in practice. It's mostly for the board, or I'm: sorry for the Council. So sorry, right? Yeah. I'm showing you about how you know, sort of like the the outcome of our work and understanding the color coding in that respect. Anyway, maybe just me. I just I'll keep processing. Thank you. That's okay. Yeah. And I think it is a kind of fine line between the 2. Well, that does roll us into kind of the next portion of this I had as a facilitator, secretly hope that there would be a little bit more overlap between all of the different ones, so that we could kinda easily. You know she show some affinities and kind of group them together, and miraculously just come up with 2 or 3, but it looks like we're gonna have to have a little more conversation around it, and I think the first conversation is around

[89:15] that top. 2 or 3 is kind of an arbitrary number to be honest, but it really is thinking about. You know how you can as a board as a whole as a instead of as individuals, but as a collective board are those. Are there things that you can work on collectively to further certain issues, or that can have common theme, as you're deliberating different things along the way it's not that you can't have an effect on all of these, but I think as a board it would be hard, and your efforts would be kind of spread out if all of these kind of were your

[90:02] items to move forward. So with that first, you know, do we kind of have agreement that we are trying to kind of narrow down a little bit, so that there is a more unified focus both in your recommendations to the Board and sorry recommendations to Council on this board. Yes, okay. So with that, I think what i'd like to do. We'll do. We'll do 2 strategies here. One is in addition to the one that you one or 2 that you put on. I'd like everyone to go over again to the little bar on the left. There's this funny little llama icon. I don't know why it's a llama when you click on that you have, and these little thumbs up and thumbs down, and i'm just gonna be pulling some over here as well, so you can just grab some of the ones that i'm pulling over, and i'd like everyone to take 3 little thumbs up.

[91:12] Well, maybe 4, because you put you each put 2 up here, so 4 little thumbs up and put them on for stickies for the ones that you think are most important. I would assume that the one that you put up is probably one of the ones that you would put your thumbs up on. and then you know 2 more, and so this will be kind of our first round of just kind of getting a sense of. Where Where are you guys aligning the most for total among the the each of you get 4 thumbs up to pick on 4 different stickies. and that way we'll get to see where there are which ones have the most. It's kind of a dot exercise, if you will.

[92:16] and I've lost track of my thumbs up. So i'm using the on our system here for each of you to only only use for a thumbs up.

[93:04] Give everyone, maybe just one more minute to make your selections. Oh, Alex, thank you. Okay. So we'll do that for Alex. Okay.

[94:04] alright, is everyone done with their little thumbs up? And, Alex, I got your 4 on That's 20. So okay. I'm: 19. So I counted 20, All right. Okay, maybe I miscounted. Alright, Well. I so I trust you to have 10, 15, I see 20. Okay, Great. Okay. Now, judging from this I see a lot of support for understanding barriers to transportation goals from other departments, and it sounds like not just other departments, but just other outside yeah challenges or or procedures or whatnot. So that seems to me like definitely one. So, Molly, can I interrupt.

[95:06] You know, there, we've only actually had the proponents of some of these ideas 2 2 people talk about, you know, with their stickies. And so, instead of you trying to like, read our minds, maybe this would be a good time for us to discuss amongst ourselves what the top vote getters are. You know what I mean? Like we can. We can see how many thumbs up there are we we can also. So this might be just a good time for us to actually talk about what we mean, and whether we want to refine or expand or contract some of the the top ideas, and I think we could probably just ignore the ones that didn't get any votes at the moment. Okay, so it seemed fair. That works for me. If that works for everyone else, I am also gonna make the note, you know. Today we're also wanted to begin talking about actions, to move these to the top 3, so that will be next. And so yes.

[96:05] commence discussion. Okay. So so Becky already got to kind of describe what she was talking about, and looks like she convinced a bunch of people. So whoever did create your transportation funding mechanism for can can you give us your pitch? That's because I got 3 votes for about this policy idea for council that was mine. And I see this as an as one that overlaps with several others, the others being continue, support council priorities, and continue to tame arterial, reduced neighborhood. and then also capital projects. And so we've obviously been fortunate in this first year of the core material network to have these tip opportunities to fund a good chunk of the network. But the next tip opportunity might be 4 years from now. And so we're. We're dependent on local funding, and maybe some intermittent grants that may or may not have as much money as that.

[97:02] And so this is something that was so. I think the X. But I can it'll. It's it's like we need additional resources. and for background funding was probably the most common topic around the time of the 2,019 Tmp. Update. and as a part of that update. There was a community working group with citizens, representatives from major employers that went through a dozen plus potential funding mechanisms for transportation, and and identified some progressive funding mechanisms that would give the Department more money to implement the Tmp. And in 2,020 I believe it was in the work plan for a new mechanism to be identified and implemented in a in a timely manner. But with the pandemic and the financial uncertainties that came with that that endeavor was put on hold. In recent years I've been waiting for that to come back, but more recently learned that the department is waiting for direction from council to

[98:07] to pick up the the work of that 2,019 working group. So I think it'd be appropriate for this board to pick up that work the there's that's been done that we can we can build upon. And at the time that didn't have the potential additional funding. Didn't have a it Wasn't earmarked for anything in particular. but I think linking it to a specific thing like the corridorial network can help explain Council kept asking, how much money do you need? What's the funding for? In this case we can say we've got this, these missing links of the core material network. They're anticipated to cost roughly this much money, and so this much money per year allows us to finish the network out, and however many years. And so I think that covers quite a few of these on here. Okay. Yeah. So I was wondering why. Why would we

[99:01] just highlight can as the the source for new funding is that was a good explanation there, because I I also recall this effort, you know, trying to move more money to transportation. Aside from just mostly sales tax and outside grants. And so I wondered if we wanted to expand it to just be like, you know. Put this back on the work plan to to to vote more funding to transportation in general, and then that would also lead me to ask like, Why would we only specifically call out a different, a new funding mechanism as opposed to in this next budgeting cycle just budget more money to transportation. which is something I had tried to get Erica to do a while ago, when you know. when the pandemic hit and we got, we got really the transportation funding. Got really sliced. I said, You know that the the stuff doesn't go away. It's still kind of an essential thing, and we we need to be actually asking for more money and going to

[100:03] in council, and just having saying Our needs are greater than you know. We deserve more for this kind of stuff. So that's why I was wondering if we could. if you wanted to change the the wording on this at all, but that those were my thoughts, and i'm curious what everyone else is thinking on this. and i'm just i'm sorry, Alex. I was just writing down Tila what you were saying, and that's why I added this little sticky kind of related. And then, Alex, I think you just said we can do both pick up on the 2,019 work, and then make the more explicit. Ask for general fund, or whatever flavor of money would. What that she but Telen was describing. Okay. And, Natalie, you have a hand up. Yeah, I just wanted to say just a couple of things, really, briefly, that might just help inform this discussion. So the as many of you, I think, are pretty aware. The transportation department is funded one on nearly 100 by dedicated

[101:10] sales, tax revenue for transportation. and a portion of that dedicated fund will expire in 2029, and at that point it's supposed to go back to the general fund. It's Point 1 5 it's supposed to go back to the general fund in 2,029. But right now everything that we do is funded by the transportation fund and it's that dedicated sales tax revenue that's carved out that doesn't go back to the general fund, and and you know what i'll just say is. we're kind of entering a more constrained budget. Environment. Garrett may have kind of talked about that yesterday at Tab, but we're entering a more constrained environment, and that's really to the general fund. It's it's quite constrained. There's a lot of competing priorities across the organization for very limited dollars.

[102:02] and so I would just say, you know, as you think about a a conversation about more funds for transportation. Just to be mindful of that, because, you know, if we start thinking about what we're competing against in the general fund There, there's just a lot of priorities that Council cares about like homelessness and affordable housing, and then, you know, on and on, and on. So I yeah. And I think we could probably have more conversations with the board about the city's budget as a whole, and then the transportation budget just to provide more of the background and context to help kind of inform this item. If this is something that Tab is interested in pursuing further Thanks, Stanley. Alex, your hand is still up. It's got a new hand or an old hand. That's an old one. Great. Just so the but responsible to what Natalie said, and and also to you. Thank you for that, Natalie. I I think that's the problem statement like that. That's the point is that we have. We have funding constraints, and so

[103:12] we could be talking about. How? What do we do then? So as far as as new funding mechanisms to expand and increase the the work of this department needs funding. There is a universe of users out there of the transportation system. anyway. I That's the problem statement. So I I think it's worth working on. I agree with you that it Yeah. Okay. all right. What I did is I just kind of move these around Alex sort of connected Some of these. You've continued your conversation around kind of funding mechanisms, not necessarily just for the core, but also for all of transportation. And, as you said potentially new funding mechanisms.

[104:04] and so are those I want to put it out. There are those 2 different items, or do you see those really interrelated in terms of supporting the can and next steps, including funding and really kind of exploring. You know the funding world, and how we can not just ask for more general fund. Money, which you know, as Natalie said, may be difficult. But how do you really look at at other funding sources, or those 2 difference sort of topics, or do you really see them blended as one? I think there are 2 different topics. I think we we want more money in general for accomplishing stuff we'd like to see done. and in particular, we also want to support the ongoing can priorities and and and work on can. So I see them as 2 different things. Okay.

[105:00] Yes. I saw them as kind of related in the sense that for sure. like funding, and also also the barriers like we see from other departments. Those are both pretty like Central to succeeding with can, and if there are other ways we can support, can then. you know definitely. But I guess I don't know what those specific things would be beyond the other things we've outlined here. If there are other things that like we feel really high priority to support. Can. Okay. I'm. Kind of grouping these under that sort of support current council priorities, you know, namely, can. including, you know some of this other work is, there are kind of examples or subsets of what it might be. And then there's the kind of budgeting more money for transportation and finding new sources. But there's also the funding of the can. As well. Just kind of all of these are under the can umbrella, if you will, and the budgeting more money is obviously related, but kind of a separate item.

[106:16] And then, Becky, I think you were saying, you know, do you really see this understanding? Barriers for transportation goals with other departments and whatnot, as under that, can subset, or as a separate item that's also related to can. I guess I just think of supporting can generally as like a pretty general statement. And so just the things we're doing to so. Transportation projects succeed in general support that I unless there are. I guess I'm asking if there are any other more specific things we can do to support current council parities, or can otherwise. They just see those. That is kind of a number of like. okay. all the specific things within it that we're talking about. Okay.

[107:00] Others have thoughts on that. can I? At this. So I I put my thumb on a thumb on that, and to me this is kind of I. I had the sticky on the point. Really, I raised about bringing assessment of current state of racial equity to council. To me these things are related under, or in a theme of of of educating council about how they can. what they need to do to support the transportation department and the city. The city organization more broadly to make strategic structural changes in. And there's just like a 1 million ways to to cut, slice that up, starting with like transportation and land use. Or you could say, Transportation and housing are well established is like highly, highly related, but we tend to it's transportation. or be focused only on the you know the transportation part. And so it just least of these unending

[108:02] feedback loops, like just kind of us being frustrated. And so I think that idea of like coming to council and saying like, let's talk about some kind of root cause, assessment, or some strategic assessment of If here's how council can make change, and also council. By the way, like here's the changes you you should be making. I think the West Pearl example. There's like so much going on there, including that it's not clear that council members individually, we're looking at the same problem statement about like, why it even mattered so. Something around there on on like presenting to council. You know, strategic. I I don't know, like set of problems that we would ask for helping, and it's not about complaining about current transportation apartment. It's not about senior shortcomings in anywhere in the City City organization. It's about same to be council. These are things you have to change with with alignment and strategy. And so is this kind of part of that conversation in terms of what those structural changes are. And I apologize, My son's coming home. So you may hear a dog in the background, and but

[109:08] and again is that, you know, is the can part of that structural change? Or are you trying to potentially open that up into kind of a larger conversation of many things that are that need that change? So what's what's the next step on that I i'd offer that it's, and i'll try to stop. But i'd offer that I think, can is actually doing great like can as an example. We got something through that's actually working, and it's it's making progress. It needs support. But this is more like if you look at the idea of a vision. 0 goals. The goal is a vision 0, the goal of mode shifts moving people out of cars, and on the other modes and the goal of Vmt: how do we make really big changes on those and like? Maybe those are a few ways to sort of organize it.

[110:00] That's just me the other. What are others thoughts on that? It's my thought. It's just that we like. The most advantageous thing would will be for us to identify, like, what are the really specific recommendations we have within that for council. So maybe that's recommending to them that in as they're rethinking, it's this out there. But like as a rethinking how? Or is work that you should consider making the change to that transportation isn't Limited, and how it talks about land use or engages with planned. User I I guess there's one example of like a really specific item, or ask we have of them, so that'd be my thought. It was just like, what is the really specific way we want to get at? Get at that. And there might be others. Right? Okay. So in terms of

[111:03] the is there kind of that in in getting to that sort of specific t next step in terms of what the Board can do in that regards is there, you know. Is there an assessment that you all want to do in terms of what are those kind of big potential structural changes or whatnot that may be missing, and spend some time kind of thinking and flushing some of those things out, so that it is a little bit more tangible as it moves to to counsel while continuing. You know, with these kind of next steps in the can, and continuing with the budget, i'm just trying to find some ways to Alex. I I think tan is pretty well defined. I think those the I like to make structural changes

[112:03] theme, and I would think a next step to that would be more understanding the barriers to transportation, I think with can I? I'm not aware of a whole lot of barriers with regard to other departments that are that are slowing, or in any way impeding that process. So the I would put this move. It was just me. I do the understanding barriers to the the action associated with the structural change. Got it? Okay. all right. And like we're sort of coalescing around these are there. I just wanted to kind of take a moment. That is kind of 3 3 key items. But I don't want to forget some of these others over here, so just give a moment for anyone to kind of make that case

[113:01] if we want to swap one of the ones we've been talking about out. and it's important to do that. Otherwise there may be ways to kind of fold that in what are the 3, as of right now. I would say, supporting can, and that includes includes looking at funding mechanisms, getting most out of capital projects. continuing to tame our chairs, reduce neighborhoods and isolation Just you know, as the can is a multi year projects. The Board supports those efforts, and those continuing ripple effect efforts that are needed to support that the next one is budgeting money for transportation and finding new sources, really advocating and really looking for for ways to continue to support transportation in general. And then the third one is this: the Board. first thinking about and then asking council for to make structural changes in transportation, and in order to do that, some of the subsets of that are understanding barriers to transportation goals, and providing an assessment of how it's doing these to be racial equity.

[114:18] I see I feel like there's a lot of overlap between the budget more for transportation, the new funding sources. I think that could be accomplished, and in the coming years be used on what's been outlined in can. But if those funding mechanisms are in place, then, after the completion of can I think that would continue to accomplish that goal of providing the department more resources. So to me those feel like there's a lot of overlap. and I did put a some on the eliminate off street parking, but I think that one's got I 3 thumbs up, and something that this board and others have identified in the past, and so I would be interested in and

[115:00] stand that one rise above the fold. I'm seeing a lot of nods, are we? I'll make the I wrote it, and I like the quick pitch that it is. I like it as a priority, because it's very specific. like. We could literally write the and we can literally cross out the code. It's that specific it. It could be a collaborative effort between multiple boards, because it affects a lot of different boards and their work. It has a significant equity component. and it's cheap to do. and relatively simple, I mean, I know it's contentious, but it's relatively simple as far as policy change in the big picture of things, so stop myself there. Otherwise I want for a long time. So I've been on this board a long time. and parking reform comes up every time. and we don't generally get very far with it, and see how much hand ringing there was about increasing the hourly price of parking by 25 cents in our downtown parking garages.

[116:11] But I am very happy to put this on. I would love to see it. I think they need to keep hearing interest in this from Cap, and maybe at some point they'll be able to except some of the rationale I love. I love your idea that we could be collaborating with other boards to kind of make the case for it. And this is super specific. This is one's very specific action. like 20 is plenty, was, so I I love it. Thank you Great! I'm gonna do a quick time check. And then, Alex, I think that's a new hand. So so we are nearing, and almost at time we did not get to the next steps of thinking about how the Board can kind of take this information, but I think we have made a lot of progress in kind of coalescing around a few items. Alex. I'm. Going to turn it over to you, and then I think maybe we can just take a couple of minutes to talk about next steps to think about how the board. What are the next steps now that we've kind of identified a few things.

[117:15] Alex. Thanks. Yeah. I was going to talk about. I think some of the the context and potential next steps with regard to the off street parking thing as Tila mentioned. This is something that Tab has prioritized in the past, and I believe even Tab has collaborated with planning board, and it hasn't, I think. gotten the the desired effect or taken on the desired process. and I think it's a we. We've lacked specificity, and what to ask is like parking. Reform has been more of like a a buzzword or a topic which is set in motion a process that I think the the city has largely defined. and I think by coming at this with with more specificity, more specificity. And what we're trying to accomplish. That's how this could be a a successful endeavor this time. I thinking back to the the last counsel retreat. There's a Council person who came in with the goal of protected bike lanes, and that didn't really get any traction because it lacked the specificity, or where those resources were going to come from.

[118:15] So I think, with parking, it needs to be more than just the the of parking. but a little bit more technocratic as to what we're trying to accomplish as we as we take on the the parking. and I agree with others that this can continue to be a the collaboration with planning, and perhaps other boards or commissions, to ensure that it rises to the level of a council priority. Right? Okay. So i'm gonna look a little bit to you, Alex. As board chair and others in terms of how do you as a board, take those next steps of both articulating this? Obviously, we have some sticking notes, bullet points. I'm. You all are, you know, more aware of kind of what you mean by these and the nuances. So there may be a step of just, you know, kind of

[119:12] really clarifying. You know the the problem statement in the the desire in these focus areas and then taking in each one the next steps of okay, what what are the what can the Board do next? And so what is the best way to do that? Do you schedule another meeting like this? Do you take it on individually, and circulate it around. I don't know if that's allowed. Do you you know what? What are those next steps for the board to take in terms of kind of flushing these out. I can take a stab at this, I think, with with can and the funding it. It sounds like we have an opportunity to get some more context from staff.

[120:00] And hopefully, when that ask goes to Council we can be pretty strategic. And and what exactly we're asking for to ensure that it it benefits our ambitions and the realities of what staff is is facing with on street parking. We can individually do research. I think we've we know a good about what the city does, but maybe research, as far as best practices done elsewhere, and it's an opportunity, I think, in the chat some potential boards to seek support from have have been identified. And then with the the structural changes that sounds like a need for some conversations with Staff, and perhaps both in and outside of the transportation and mobility departments. But it feels like we've got plenty of time, for before the the Council retreat on parking, and can.

[121:05] Perhaps, if somebody wanted to captain one of each of these 3 areas that would help assign some ownership, and then in our regularly scheduled board meetings under matters from the board we could touch base on how these things are going, and and yeah, have a little bit more time to to talk about these in depth. Okay. All right, I'm: and I'm seeing in the chat that yeah, we Today we have sort of a working framework and then adjust as you go. Someone at suggested the idea of adding, this is a starting standing at an under board matters, as you said great, so I do like. The idea of someone kind of being assigned to each of these is just just the lead to kind of keep it moving. It. Does anyone want to volunteer for one versus the other

[122:00] 2 people? I think we can have 2 people for each one, and then maybe look towards the the people who wrote them. I don't know if it would work out that way. But to do what though? What would they do like? We these are areas to everybody, and there's seems like there's a process of of kind of like discovery, and they ask me about them because i'm just trying to imagine what are we working towards? Which, I think is some kind of a recommendations? 7 recommendations to Council. So I I just wonder if it's it's premature to to say, people own that may maybe maybe i'm wrong. I don't think they actually own them. But we I I don't think staff is going to bring do work on our behalf and bring these to a publicly notice board meeting, where all 5 of us can actively engage on these. I think this is gonna take some individual efforts, and we can just bring the results of that to the.

[123:03] to the. to the board meetings. The the 2 of the 3 categories, with some some orange. Here, I think the end goal is to have a refined recommendation. Come, January, 2024, or whenever the the next council retreat, is. and then there might be a little bit more discovery in the the third area about the the structural change and understanding the the barriers. Okay. yeah, i'm I don't know for volunteering now. I'm happy to. I'm happy to sort of keep everyone moving on the off street parking mandates. It's my guess for how we organize ourselves all that. Is there a second person that would be interested in supporting? On parking. I see Tila raising her hand

[124:00] vigorously. Both of my post. The notes ended up in the the canon funding area. So that's certainly a place that i'd be interested in. and continuing some efforts. Alex. And that. And again, this is not saying that others won't be involved. This is just someone who's continuing to move it forward and Alex, were you? It was you and Mark Mcintyre, who were on that funding. I think Johnny was the back end. I'll help out. Thank you. And then, Ryan, I think you helps for some of the structural change area. So are you okay with taking that as a ongoing focus area. and then anyone with a strong interest to help out there i'd be. I'd be happy to help. I know Becky has one at least one of these post events as well. so defer to others. If there's strong interest.

[125:13] I'm: yeah, I'm. at least as far as like some of the specific projects I've mentioned like North Broadway. I'm trying to figure out, so I will continue on that pattern. I can keep it all updated perfect. So Becky and Ryan on the the upper left category. So I think we all have one. And then, Becky, you've got a You got a second, so as even as we could make it. Okay. okay. did we do the funding one? Was that was there, like the general funding one who's got that? The general funding kind of moved under can, but it would be kind of general funding discussed, but under the umbrella of Can is, I think, where it landed.

[126:02] I think, figuring out what a mechanism is, is probably the first step, and then that would trigger a conversation about where the money is going, and that conversation could include things in the core material network. But also look at any of the other unfunded or underfunded transportation areas. Alright. Well, great. I think Meredith can you, I mean, are we? Will there be? There's video of this. I can potentially provide some just bullet notes from this with those assignments. But otherwise I think this is a rap. Alex. Do you have your hand up again, or is that? No sorry it's an it's an old one. No worries. All right. Well, thanks everyone for staying a little bit longer, and for the important conversations that you had. So

[127:05] with that, I think, Alex, do you typically close meetings? I'll entertain the motion to Adjourn a second. All those in favor. We're good. I can't see faces. Thank you so much, Molly, and it's been a pleasure. Everyone good job, Appreciate it. Bye. Everyone.