March 13, 2023 — Transportation Advisory Board Regular Meeting

Regular Meeting March 13, 2023

Date: 2023-03-13 Body: Transportation Advisory Board Type: Regular Meeting Recording: YouTube

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[0:00] Okay, we are now recording. Okay. I am calling this meeting to order our transportation Advisory Board meeting for March 2023 My name is Ryan shoehard. I am the vice chair of Tab, acting tonight as the chair as Alex. Away so quick roll call. I see we have. We have Becky and and me. So that makes, for we have quorum. And I think that Veronica takes us to you to read some instructions. Yes. alright, well, hello, everyone. We are pleased for you to join us today. This meeting has been called to conduct the business of the city of Boulder activities that disrupt delay or otherwise interfere with. The meetings are prohibited. The meeting to the time for speaking is limited to 3 min. No person shall speak except one recognized by myself, and no person shall speak longer than the time allotted.

[1:01] Each person shall register to speak at the meeting, using their real name. Any person believed to be using a name other than the one they are commonly known by, will not be permitted to speak. Please use the raise hand function to be recognized for public comments. If you're on your phone you'll be. You will need to press Star 9 to raise your hand and star 6 to on mute. No video will be permitted. Except for city officials, employees, and invited speakers and presenters, all others will participate by voice only. The person presiding at the meeting. Shell enforce these rules by meeting anyone who violates the question and answer function is enabled. It will be used for individuals to communicate with myself. It should only be used for technical online platform related questions only. If an attendee, If an attendee attempts to use chat for any other reason, then seeking assistance for technical help. we reserve their right to disable that individuals access to a chat Only the host and individuals doesn't data by myself will be permitted to share their screens during the meeting. Thank you.

[2:13] Thank you, Veronica. Okay. Next on to approval of the minute from my last meeting February. Any suggested changes from the board. Kila. Thanks, Ryan. I wasn't here for part of the meeting, so I just plan to stay on the approval. I have no substantive changes, but, like with the the I had in reviewing the minutes, and it was during the part I wasn't here was on agenda item for about the millennium property at 1,340 by 20 Eighth Street said the questions for Tab will included. Do. Does Tab support the proposed amendment to the B Brc transportation connections plan? Was any amendment discussed, voted on, approved? Is there any like resolution? Language that's missing here? I just don't know if that's a question I wanted to ask

[3:10] is that directed at staff or tab? I suppose, Tab, because Tab is supposed to be approving the minutes. But if Staff has any recollection or fresh Tabs recollection that would help thank you trying anything from you. I'm sorry, Ryan, I have to you. My name is Tree. Me. I've been wanting to. so I seem to be having a really bad connection. I'm hearing myself like double. So i'm going to log out and log back in if that's okay. I'm sorry i'm sorry. I don't for a call in the order of things. From that meeting there was an exact version.

[4:03] Yeah, so I can. I can help. I think there was not any motion from Tab, and I don't think that they were looking for, unless there was a desire from tab there wasn't specific action that was being requested by P. And Ds staff on that one. Yeah, I I agree with that. I I think we offered some substantive, input but I don't know that we were asked for it. I had questions in reading the menu, and in reading the memo, and then seeing the questions for tab outlined here in the minutes. It does appear, we were asked to weigh in on whether we propose whether we oppose an amending the B or C transportation connections plan, because the proposal would amend. Yeah and and tab, I would say and definitely correct me if i'm wrong here, Ryan and others. But I think you definitely provided feedback.

[5:01] And then there was no formal action taken. Yeah, I think that's right. Now. I'm just looking at the minutes. I think there was some concern to you regarding the the added bike writers that were gonna be the increased ridership, and how especially Ryan was talking about. There's a path that goes like behind the safeway. I don't know if you're familiar with it like behind flower child in the safe way. So there was a big discussion about that. But yeah, like, I don't remember. And Natalie sorry. Okay. So the minutes just aren't clear whether Tab approved or proposed the proposed amendment or disapproved of the proposed, and then it sounds like it did not. Okay, Thank you. I feel. Thank you for that. I think that I think, yeah, perhaps we I would suggest. We clarify that in the minutes to say that this the way you just said that Tab did not approve nor disapprove. It just provided

[6:02] considerations something like that feedback. Yeah, because we did have some concerns. So. Tila, can I? Would you be willing to offer? I would say, what's the sinks way that, as as our veteran out. share here, what's a good way to do this procedure? I wasn't even there that t tab did not provide a recommendation, or did not approve, or I think I think, that Tab did not provide a recommendation on the proposed amendment to the Bvrc Transportation connections Plan Great can we? What's the so we need to do? We need to write. I think. Write this down, then, to get it. Usually our secretary. If we stayed it succinctly enough, and I hope I just did. Usually our secretary can handle entering the amendment.

[7:06] Thank you. Okay. should we, Meredith? This Should we ask you to to read what you what you would right? Or is there a then we and we make make a motion and vote on. That is that best way to do this the emotion is required. What I have preliminary. It's noted that the captain I provide a formal recommendation on the proposed amendment. and i'll check to you this except language from right. That sounds great to me. Any any other comments on either of that or any other aspects of the minutes.

[8:06] Okay, then I will entertain a motion to approve February's minutes with the changes. Meredith. This committee is making you second it. I second it. Okay. Okay. Who made the motion Sorry i'm entertaining emotion so so needs to make a motion right. Brian, and you make the train me a second. Thank you. I thought I needed to entertain the motion for another colleague to to make but great. Okay, learning as we go. Thanks, thanks, everyone. So we just need to vote. Now, is that right? We we have a motion in a second Tila. I will abstain because I was missing for part of it. So we've got Yeah, 3. I'm: right. Okay. I think that does it for the minutes. Then.

[9:05] So let's move on. We have 2 main items today, a discussion on the so nice response review Project and an update on the final Vision 0 Action Plan Progress. We don't have a public hearing, so we'll take any and all public comment just shortly now. and the next piece. So we'll move on to a public comment. and if any members of the public wish to comment on items on the agenda or otherwise. Now is the time, and we would love to hear from you. You will have 2 min each. and please just raise your hand in the chat and cool. I'll take it on from here and a correction it. Everyone gets 3 min to speak, and i'll put the timer on my screen. So first we have Steven hide out. I am gonna ask you to on me If you could confirm that you are able to speak.

[10:02] Hello! Perfect mine. It's a on the vision 0 action plan on the signals. It seems like it was with the protective left signals and no right on red. There's a line item in there, but it's sort of weak. It's. It just can go to the signal practices. A week ago we had a major wreck on Arapaho. They had a East. and all of those signals are flashing yellow arrow. I don't know if they're all the time, or most of the time. where, if it was a protected left, the sub driver would not have been an intersection with the Tesla driver doing 105 hitting them. It's it's just one of those things where our signal practices are still

[11:03] primary. Level of service is priority. Touch on a Rappaho. I almost got run over by a car turning left at Arapaho and Folsom with my granddaughter. and that's all just level of service. They had a flash in yellow. Then they almost turned into us. Luckily the other car stopped in the car. Stop, but it was protected left, and the it wouldn't have happened, I know, like Arapaho and 20 ninth heading into the Mall. There used to be a flash, and yellow era almost got hit. and luckily, after a couple of close calls, they change that to a protected left where it's it's 3 lanes plus a multi-use path. So I think. in the visions your action plan there needs to be more definite update on the signal practices for flash yellow arrows and

[12:01] no right on red. It looks like they're going to lower the fresh threshold to do that. but it. I think it just speeds me more concrete and really error on the side of safety over level of service. Thank you All right, Thank you. Mike mills. I'm gonna ask you to on mute if you could confirm you're able to speak. Hi, yeah, this is Mike Perfect Your 3 min begin now. hey? I've lived in Boulder since 1990. A huge part of the drop for me living here has always been the off Street multi-use Pass, which are which are amazing. Since getting an electric cargo bike several years ago. I have very few occasions on which I need to drive around Boulder anymore, and I increase my commitment to reducing my car dependence to a minimum. and in that time I become more aware of how far Boulder has to go, and creating, protected by claims on our arterial network. Well, I see opportunities in boulders, plans for it's core arterial network.

[13:08] It's obvious that the brand new northbound bicycle lanes North Broadway are a big step backwards in terms of safety, even from the painted bike cutters in the door zone that were there before them. I want to thank Tab for hearing concerns about this last month, from a number of residents, including myself. and for expressing your own concerns. Alex. Weinheimer's explanation of how this happened was news to me and gave perspective. I was happy to hear the solution that the city should ban parking inside the bike lanes from Becky Davis. Davies, who also spoke to the next city council meeting. About this. The city must take action before a cyclist is sent down a poorly designed sloping curb and into car traffic. The death or injury of even one cyclist is simply too high a price to pay to subsidize a relatively small number of free curbside parking spaces for drivers. 3.

[14:04] If removing parking creates a parking shortage, the answer is to charge the right price for street parking, as i'm. Sure, many of you are aware, Donald Trump wrote a 700 page book on the high cost of free parking. Let's not add the death or injury of cyclists to that cost. The bike lane was obviously designed to make cars feel welcome, and it endangers those who are not in a car in a neighborhood plan to reduce the trap of car dependence. That's a travesty moving forward. The city must make cyclists and pedestrians feel welcome while accommodating cars not prioritizing them or welcome welcoming cars. city staff, and tab should co- request that city Council Spot changed the North boulder sub community plan to remove the parking so that Staff can then install protected barriers. This needs to be done as soon as possible, and I would think, by Memorial Day at the latest. Thank you.

[15:05] Thank you. It doesn't look like anyone else has their Oh, sorry I'm in Seagull. Just raise her hand so I will on mute. When. then, could you come from? You are able to speak. Is that trainee or Trinity trainee? 3? Me: thanks. Yeah. I agree with your statement that came up ahead about the millennium. It's 942 units there. There were 269 in the hotel before, and now we're losing that sales tax revenue which go straight into tab funds. We're losing all of that. And instead, we're getting the impact of 942 cu students causing a log jam right there on the bike path.

[16:02] It's horrific, you know, and combine that with the olive that's going up where liquor mart was, and the the connection with See you, and see you South drawing all of boulder to much more congestion. Demand for services demand for all kinds of you know asphalt, everything transportation related. It is very, very unwise to have to to not have something to say strongly from tab about that development of the millennium. You're very right on with that. and regards to so many other developments in boulder, particularly. Now. there's an insidious movement towards the missing middle. Okay, and 300 square foot units on 20, s and Pearl. and now they're trying to do a second one. This is a development company called S.

[17:04] T. Okay. They're trying to do another one on walnut and seventeenth. and these are these micro units that they're pushing. They're they're got robotic furniture in it. The bed goes up on the ceiling, and 300 score feet. you know. One or 2 people with the Max are going to live in there. and they're going to have their electric bikes stolen from there. No, they aren't there, and there's no storage that the company that this development can get developer has described as in the apartment a robotic arm that takes the bike up, and then rotates it, and stores it on the ceiling, too. There's only so much room on the ceiling after the bed, and all the other stuff, and these people are going to use ubers and lifts for, because they do want to go places. They aren't just going to sit at the Mall all day. They want to get around, besides, with just electric vehicles, and they want to transport materials because they have no storage to speak of in that place.

[18:08] and guess what they're going to do. Jam at the congestion all over the place, and this is being pushed big time, and you guys need to have some say about it. No, on on Scokes development at twenty-second and Pearl and no on walnut this is not helping the missing middle, and it's also super expensive housing, and it's actually market rate. It's only missing middle until it the projects approved. So do something about it or deal with it yourselves afterwards. All right. Thank you, Len Brian. I believe that was the last person with their hand raised. Okay, thank you, Lynn and the others who came to talk to us. Okay, let's move on to item Number 4 staff update and tab feedback on the snow and ice response review object.

[19:09] Gonna Give this over to Scott. Thank you, Ryan. Good evening, everyone. Daniel Sheeter and myself are here to present our snow and Ice Response Review Project. We'll walk through an overview of the project highlights of our current program. our current community engagement efforts and our next steps time at the end will be left for tap feedback after our presentation. Next slide, please. So little project overview here. 1 s I get to my notes. So this snow nice response review project will document and assess the current program. our service levels and consider changes for more efficient, effective service delivery

[20:09] to better meet city and community expectations. and also increase the awareness of where Snow and I services are delivered. and why and why they're delivered in those places and engage the community in the update process to improve outcomes. Next slide, please. We're currently seeking community feedback on our existing program. This engagement opportunity is open until this Friday. We're also gathering benchmark information from pure cities along the front range and nationally to base our changes on next slide. Included in this project, or potential changes to the snow and ice clearing of streets, bus stops, multi-use paths, bike network and shoveled areas maintained by the city's transportation and mobility department

[21:02] and initial implementation of operational changes that do not require budget changes next slide. This project does not include improvements to sidewalks. No removal, Code enforcement processes and increases the service levels that require additional funding improvements to the sidewalk code enforcement process could be considered as a separate future project. Implementation of any proposed changes to the program are dependent on available resources, and may occur in the 2023, 2024 winter season at the earliest. if increases to service levels, are recommended. additional funds would need to be requested from city council through a formal budget process for the 2,025 budget year. Next slide some highlights from our current program when snow falls, the highest priority for the Department is to ensure safe travel for all modes of transportation and to maintain emergency response routes

[22:04] the on Demand open House question here. As for community feedback on changing or adding to these goals. Next slide streets bus stops multi-use paths, the bike network and shoveled areas maintained by the city's transportation mobility department are typically impacted by snow and ice during the official snow season which runs Labor Day through Memorial Day. Once the storm is forecast it's. Streets and paths are pre-treated to reduce the build up of stone eyes. Snow clearing equipment is ready, and city staff are scheduled for 12 h snow shifts with crews working around the clock until streets and paths are cleared of loose snow and primary routes. To return to normal conditions. Some of the highlights on this is it. We do clear 63% of our city on streets. 100% of the in town bus routes are cleared.

[23:00] The 1.8 million dollar average seasonal cost, unfortunately, does not include a lot of the fleet Maintenance costs for our snow removal. Vehicles, as those are charged to other departments or other work groups in transportation. and that's about $450,000 costs per year additional for fleet charges. Next slide City's transportation system includes over 850 lane miles of major streets, and those are arterial and collectors. local and residential streets. Partner agencies such as Boulder County and the Colorado Department of Transportation. are responsible for clearing snow and eyes from some roadways in and around the city. The first here for the city service approach focuses on key arterial streets. including emergency access routes, as well as access to hospitals, schools. critical infrastructure, and transit

[24:00] snow crews in 9 large plows return to these primary routes every 2 to 4 h until the roadway is clear. Blue snow and ice. Primary routes constitute approximately 250 lane miles City wide. Second tier of services, secondary routes to clear snow from the remaining arterial streets, as well as key, local and residential streets, which need service because of steep grade and or tree shade the on demand. Open house maps have grade and shade layers overlaid on top of secondary routes. 7 large plows clear, approximately 200 lane miles of secondary routes every 3 to 5 h during snowstorms. Final cheer of service utilizes 2 clouds to clear snow from select residential streets. They are also impacted by steep grade and or ciche. These conditional routes constitute approximately 27 miles of citywide citywide, and are cleared every 6 to 8 h. When there is 8 inches or more of snow, and or the temperatures are forecasted to be below freezing for 3 days.

[25:04] This is based on a 2,013 voter approved tax initiative that provided funding to cloud these select streets. resources required to plow All of the hundreds of miles of residential roadways in the city of Boulder are well beyond what can be staffed and funded with existing resources. After reviewing input from this initial round of engagement, the project will consider changes to program service levels, including but not limited to expansion of snow clearing on residential streets. the service levels are increased. Additional funds would need to be requested from the city council for the 2,025 budget year next slide. Sorry mine is not advancing on my side. The City's multi-use path network covers nearly 90 total miles of which transportation Mobility department maintains and clear snow from appro approximately 36

[26:08] of those miles parks and rec department is responsible for over 23 miles of pass, While still removal of other past segment, segments is handled by See Boulder Boulder, county and other private entities. transportation, mobility, department, clear snow from all 36 miles of path it maintains during and after snowstorms Small clouds are utilized to move snow from the multi-use path network, as well as adjacent key connectors next slide. approximately 75% of the on street bike network is plowed through primary, secondary and conditional routes. This map illustrates all plow routes that clear snow from the on street bike network next Slide City contracts cruise to shovel snow from over 200 locations. including 38 high ridership bus stops, and more than 100 high activity curb ramps and pedestrian process.

[27:06] Multiple passes of these areas are typically needed before they are completely clear. This map illustrates all shoveling locations except for bus stops. You can also see the city sidewalk network on this map sidewalk. No removal is the responsibility of the adjacent property owners. as per the Boulder revised code Improvements to sidewalks no removal, Code Enforcement processes are not part of this project, but could be considered as a separate future project city partners with cultivate Snowbusters program to connect volunteers to residents who face challenges clearance. No, from sidewalks around their homes. We do understand that there is more need for this program than volunteer interest, though next slide there are 575 total bus stops in the city the bus network includes multiple high-frequency routes that operate every 15 min, or less shown here, as the bold red lines

[28:03] high ridership stops with more than 50 passengers on average boarding, you know, and exiting per day shown with gold circles. Serve these routes Next slide resources to shovel snow from the bus stops are directed to those high ridership stops Rtd, and you boulder clear snow from over 100 bus stops the city's contract to cruise clear from an additional 38 high ridership stops the city shovel a stop program in less volunteers to clear snow from the remaining bus stops. and 31 of those are currently adopted throughout the city. and with this next slide I will pass it on to Daniel. Thanks, Scott. Good evening, Members of Tab. My name is Daniel Sheeter, senior transportation planner, and i'll walk through the engagement plan for the project. 3 rounds of community engagement are planned for this year. The current round launched on February seventeenth, is to inform the community of the existing snow and ice response services

[29:07] and gather input on satisfaction levels and ideas to consider when updating the program purpose and goals. After the project team has evaluated all the feedback and identified options for potential program changes. Another round of engagement is planned for fall to see community feedback on those potential changes. The final round in late 2,023 will inform the community of recommended program changes and implementation feasibility as presented by Scott. Initial implementation. Next winter would be limited to operational changes, feasible with existing staff and resources. increases to service levels requiring additional funding would require a formal budget request for the 2,025 budget year. Now to walk through the projects. Engagement materials for this round first. We have a project web, page, of course, but I want to draw a particular attention to a set of frequently asked questions on the program website. I definitely encourage everyone to visit this resource, since it has a lot of great in-depth information about the program, and was recently updated with the project.

[30:06] Next slide please. The primary material. For this random engagement is an on demand, open house and corresponding questionnaire that launched on February seventeenth. Hope you all have had a chance to review it. The open House uses the same as re story, map platform as the Open House for the Baseline Road Transportation Safety Project last fall. We really like this platform for communicating geographical or map based data to a broader audience. So, as a natural fit for this project, all the maps Scott walked you through. We're directly from the open house. We were also able to embed the be heard Boulder questionnaire, right on the story map, so that the public wouldn't have to visit separate web pages to learn about the program and provide their feedback. The story map was also entirely translated to Spanish, and the questionnaire is open through the end of this week. So we really are trying to get the word out here in the last couple of days to get as many responses as we can

[31:02] next slide, please. The open house has been publicized through city of boulder social media channels as well as city newsletters and Insight Boulder News. And we're also doing that last final re communications. Push this week to direct the community to the website. Next slide, please. and the project send a mailer to every residential and commercial address in the city, since no nice response affects the entire city. This miller was translated to Spanish as well, and directed the public to the open house hopefully. You all have received that by now it should have been coming in last week and and over the preceding weekend. The project team also consulted with the city's community connectors and residents late last month to understand their lived experiences with snow and ice response. A few of the key themes raised by the connectors include the importance of shoveling at bus stops for access, particularly in areas where people with disabilities live or travel to prioritization of service, with adjacency to senior housing and boulder housing partners, properties.

[32:05] the challenges of snow clearing, responsibility for private streets which fall outside of transportation and mobility department jurisdiction. and finally, that the methods of program communications and requesting service are not well connected with people who need the service the most. The project team will incorporate this feedback into recommendations for potential program changes. The team also developed the racial equity instrument to inform the project. The instrument has defined engagement strategies as well as ongoing equity index analysis that overlays program data. including service requests from Inquire Boulder dating back all the way to 2,015 existing residential street plowing sidewalks, no removal code violations and so shoveling locations on the city's racial Equity Index Map. This analysis is intended as a starting point, as we apply an equity focus to potential program changes. Next slide, please.

[33:00] Finally, we have a robust set of stakeholders that the project is directly engaging with to get the word out about the open house and solicit feedback about the program. These include our transit operators: Boulder Valley School District folder and Latino Chambers of Commerce Center for people with disabilities National Federation of the blind as well as community cycles. So where are we at with this current round of engagement? Unsurprisingly, we've seen a lot of activity on the open house and questionnaire, with over 3,500 views and 585 responses. The current level response is similar to last year is citywide vision, 0 action, plan, questionnaire, which add 700 responses. And the view count has surpassed fall 2,000 twenty-two's, Baseline Road transportation safety Project Open house, which had about 3,300 views. A few initial takeaways are that we're reaching a diverse set of ways. People travel in boulder. so as of about night. March ninth, about 60% of respondents identified as daily drivers or walkers. 20 is daily bikers and 4 as daily transit users. This was a multi select question. If you're wondering why the percentages don't all add up to a 100, we are also seeing very strong support for snow clearing on Major Streets as the first priority of the program.

[34:15] But it's too early to say where preferences lie for other components of the program. So on to the next steps. And where do we go from here? As I mentioned, this round of engagement will wrap up on March Seventeenth Staff will take the spring and summer to evaluate all of the feedback and develop options for potential program changes. The team will come back to the community, including tab this fall for feedback on options for potential program changes. and then final community engagement is planned for late 2,023 with the next initial implementation for winter, 2,023, 2,024. So here are the short links to both the English and Spanish versions of the open house, as well as project and program websites.

[35:04] and you can screenshot this or look in your packet for for these details and appreciate getting the word out this week. Or or if you Haven't submitted a question there already, also getting in there and getting a questionnaire in. and that wraps up our our slides, and we have a couple questions here for you all, and and welcome opening up for discussion and and additional questions. Thank you, Daniel and Scott, like compliments on the presentation that that was really great, and that webpage really is quite, quite, quite deep with material. So who is for all the hard work on this? So we have 2 questions before us. Tab colleagues, Would anybody like to let me think about this? Why, why don't we take them one at a time? So anybody like to respond to question. One. Does Board have any questions about the project process and timeline?

[36:05] He says no like. He says no Chinese, no, and I think I had one, Daniel. But you Oh, no, I do have one. My question is. when do you want substantive feedback from Tab? I think I mean we we welcome kind of a brief, maybe discussion. If you have a couple of points you'd like to make tonight, but we're really kind of directing. you know, kind of directing folks to the questionnaire right now, and would like like that feedback cat captured there and then. When we have some more detailed proposals, detailed options. I think that's when we really want to get into a more robust conversation in the next round of engagement later this fall. But Scott feel free to jump in there with any clarifications. Yeah, Daniel, that I think that covered it. You know, Ryan, If if Tab wants to provide some substantive feedback at this time we'll accept it

[37:04] and and use that in our considerations. But yeah, with the with the options coming forward in the next round of engagement, I think would probably be the most ideal time for that. Okay? And before I I give the Tab members a chance to to to tackle that. When do you expect that next one to be, or maybe a range of dates when you, when you come back to tab to for that more deeper substance that will be sometime early. Fall early to late fall. Okay of this year. Okay. So maybe some light light feedback today and have your feedback in the fall. Yeah. Okay. Who would anybody like to provide input? Do you have? Thank you, Ryan. And actually thanks for that question, you know, with, when when should we get feedback, and how soon that was helpful. I did get my postcard.

[38:05] and I did go on. and I I I applaud just how clear and how kind of a fun to interact with. That page was So first time I've seen the city do something like that. So I think I thought was terrific, really really appreciated it, and I don't know if the words gotten out, or it was the postcard, but it's pretty significant. The number of impressions you've had on this. So well done, I mean I'm very, very impressed with that. I think the only question that that that raised for me going through all of that information was. I wasn't aware that we, like other cities, get cute names for us, no clouds. And so there was one that kept showing up in pictures, and i'm forgetting what the name was. But do they all have names, and where can I find out what they are? We we we named. We named 10 of the plows. I don't have that list in front of me, but I can share that out to tab. Well, it might be just be fun if we once you complete the survey that you get a special bonus, you know, slide or something, because it's it's a cute thing to do. People really like it.

[39:03] I think you were seeing. I think you were saying grateful sled. and I know that this is not part of the current project. But since you raise it. I did want to encourage us to rethink as a city the changes to the code that leave. So if the city streets, as the responsibility of the city to pay for, and the taxpayers to pay for, and buses some of them we can pay for, and some of them we rely on volunteers, and then 250. The sidewalks. Well, you know, we'll spend some enforcement dollars, maybe if a neighbor rats you out, but we're not really going to spend much effort or money helping out the the lowly pedestrian. I think that this is one example where where we spend money exposes our priorities in a way that is not terribly flattering. for how we are valuing different users of our public streetscape. So thanks for the work that you've done, and I look forward to better treatment of pedestrians in the future. And i'm i'm hoping that this really is an informative exercise for you to be able to sort of better prioritize where we're spending money. But from for the moment I was just thrilled to to learn more about what was going on.

[40:10] and what you're thinking about changing. Thank you. Thank you. Tila. Training. Thank you. Well, thank you so much for the presentation. I echo my colleagues, and I just wanted to add, and I mean, I guess this is more like a a dream with that, and then anything I mean, i'm seeing that there's a 75% ploughing of the bike paths and the multi-use paths. And I mean, is there any way that we could get additional funding or allocate funding so that number goes up to 100, considering the high ridership in our city. Trinity, i'll take that one to go. Yeah, I I i'm not. I guess we probably had that the 75% of on street. I think what that excludes is a lot of the neighborhood green streets

[41:05] that are either already implemented or have not yet been implemented and designated as green streets. I think they were on the proposal for that that, as well as I think, all the on street painted bike lanes. If i'm not mistaken, Daniel, are are currently in our program. But what about the bike paths? Because I think it was very specific. So it's: so the yeah. So the multi-use pads we do maintain a 100 of the 36 miles that we're responsible for Okay. All right. So wonderful. Well, thank you. Yeah, I think Scott's right there. Yeah. One of the paths we maintain. And then. yeah, that kind of the main area where there are some. some street, some segments on the on street network that are not currently plowed are designated bike routes, so they.

[42:04] our exit are already implemented. Neighborhood Green streets are proposed neighborhood green streets that are kind of signed, designated by routes on smaller streets that Don't have a dedicated bike lane, or a protected by clean or any kind of enhanced facility so great. You good anything else for me? A training? No, I guess. Just echoing what what Tila was saying just to keep in mind of all users of of the road and pedestrians and people with disabilities, and, you know, be mindful of how they're gonna get to places if they're in a more residential area, you know, if the neighbors not a good neighbor, doesn't do what they're supposed to do, you know. But you know, but that's about it. Thank you. Okay, thanks, Becky. Anything from you. No, no, no questions or feedback at this time. I'm looking forward to learning more through the course of the project. So thanks.

[43:07] okay, I think that leaves me. Otio. Is your hands still up, or or have you? But again it was up again. But if you want to go first, that's okay. Thank you. I guess I the other question I had is, what is the plan for? Follow up, since we have had so many contacts and views from people, and you know 500 or so have have submitted questionnaires. I know you didn't have to give your own information for questionnaires. But is there a plan to like? Continue to keep people in the loop? The ones who did bother to fill out a questionnaire. and in a related vein I know if 10 of your plows have been named, I I count looking at my postcard, but there's 21 total. And so that maybe leaves an opportunity to ask people for input on. You know, the next cute name. That might be a good way to engage them as we continue on the process. Because we have 11 more we might be able to name

[44:02] that's all. Thanks, dealer, for that. I think, to your first question. We we'll be sharing a summary of the engagement received in this round when we come back up to the community, or maybe even predating that through through the website. And then that'll be directly informing. You know what what kind of menu of options we're going to be considering for potential program changes. and we did see a I think, about over a quarter of respondents actually signed up for our new transportation mobility mailing list. And so we'll be sharing updates through that newsletter throughout the life of the project. So that was pretty positive to see people kind of opt into that, and and wanting to stay, and being wanting to stay in form that way. And then we also had an option, if you noticed, to kind of independent of signing up for the Newsletter just if they consented to be contacted by the project team with any. Follow up questions. So we might take people up on that if they're providing, you know. Really.

[45:08] you know, a free response comment that we that we haven't considered we kind of want to follow up on that and ask some follow up questions. So that was kind of an element of the questionnaire to to kind of continue the conversation with with folks who are engaging so far terrific. Thank you. And then i'll just jump in and speak to the snow cloud naming they real real quick. So the the theory behind or the reason behind, only doing 10. We do 2 types of shifts. We do a full shift or a skeleton shift. and we wanted to make sure that the named Clouds were out all the time. So with the skeleton shift we generally have about those 10 trucks running, so so to make sure that those blows are out on the street and not sitting here parked, we we only name 10 definitely open to the idea of naming more of those in the future. And then Trinity, I saw a comment Pop in. We we do engage Bvsd students grades, K. Through 5,

[46:10] So that's that's where this no cloud names come from, and then, and then we do selections based on those submissions, so that a a very, very fun little project that we do with with our snowflows. It's awesome. Feel like grateful sled. Might have had some parental, input. Potentially very possible for for 2 years running we have at a Star Wars team. So that's that's been interesting. Okay, I suppose i'll take a turn then. So I have a a few sort of points of feedback first, though, Daniel Scott, Thank you for working on this tab started. I mean I when I when I started in a spring 2020, I think this was like on the agenda then, and we had. We've been talking about this for

[47:07] ever since ever since then, and i'm i'm really glad to see it coming together. The the chance for the public to provide and put on a on a strategy. And also I just want to. Scott. Say, thank you again for having that you've hosted trainings in the past, including this past fall, that you invite a tab to come to to go. drive your equipment and talk to your team and ask you questions, and I took advantage of that, and I found it incredibly helpful. So I encourage you to. You have time to do that again in this coming season, and people can join you. The other thing I wanted to say, maybe just before I write some more feedback is is I? I I appreciate that winter operations can be really expensive. and especially getting work done in Wh: when a storm is happening. And there's this sort of try, not question about. If you say, okay, if we had another 1 million or so dollars, just thought experiment

[48:04] is that the thing to focus on versus other things that department might do, and it's support. Question. But what it does imply, you know the one to maybe a few points of of now is. if you think about an 80, 20 approach with what we need to do, at least on the bike the bike side of things. I I think there's an interesting distinction, and this might be worth like interrogating or talking with the public about. There's a distinction between this, the the the peaky few days where we have big storms and the things that they need to happen during storms and immediately after. which is is very time-intensive, and requires a lot of people at once. And that's a contrast to Maybe they call it more chronic. The more chronic situation of this, this long tail

[49:04] of ice snow that melts and Morse, and becomes ice again in in the in certain areas, particular under underpasses in Greenway streets, they don't get a lot of sun. and that's different than the the immediacy of the of storms. And when I think about big picture winter operations. bikes. What what feels most important to me is now we have in the summer the most share of bikes is like gangbusters, but when it is in the in the winter it's this like nothing. 0 almost, at least on the on the really cold days it's not 0. But I just think about how much of this is like. Can we create a culture of of encouraging people to not put their bikes away for the winter by helping them feel like in general. You know there's

[50:01] I don't. I don't know a treatment that is being thoughtful about this sort of more more chronic conditions. So I guess that's my It's not going to be very articulate, but just the thought I would. I would offer to staff, to maybe think about, or at least help the public understand when you when they're getting input, that there's different phases of when our operations, at least with respect to the the the storms that we're handling, and I. My sense is that there a lot of the a lot of the the challenges we face are going to be a more of this like 80, 20 chronic situation, and it's not going to be as expensive as saying. You know we have to clear everything right away perfectly when you know. With respect to the few days of of really big storms. So just just thought. and I think I'll just make one other sort of comment, for now, and i'll leave the rest for for the fall. and it's just it's sort of agreeing with with what Tila and I think trying to kind of said, which is

[51:01] this: this exercise has been quite a long time coming. and I hope it will be a visioning exercise that will be very meaningful in terms of level and of ambition and scope if that's in in my recollection. That's that's kind of what has been the premise of this is that it's the community is interested in, you know, really thinking through how to how to do this as good as possible. And so, January. One thing I've heard you say I think, was the plan will assume existing resources and staff. and I understand the reason for that. But I would suggest that I think it would be good if you know you could at least come up with. If you find that you know the kind of things people want to talk about are just far beyond what fits existing resources and staff you have, that we have a way to to categorize that kind of like that, and then come back and

[52:00] make a price list if we if we need to, but it at least to make it transparent. What we could do given resources and not avoid. You know some of the the bigger picture stuff that you, because we're assuming we not to have resources good, because I do think that's keeping with the spirit of a lot of the discussions that have process getting started. So I think i'll leave it at that. But i'm happy to answer any questions that I clarifying. No, that that sounds great, Ryan and I, I appreciate that that feedback about creating some some options, and and you know it expanding what what we're looking at. And and I think that is really part of this project, and and one of the ideas that we're going to at least look into and and try to do some development around. Great. Yeah, thanks, Ryan. I was just gonna say I I

[53:00] I would I hope that when we say that things could be deferred to a 2020, 25 budget year request that it that that's not putting it off to something else. I think you know we're going to be considering potential changes of that magnitude, but we just kind of want to be transparent about the timeline for that, and that it wouldn't be anything that could be implemented with an initial implementation this coming winter winter 2023, 24. But yeah, thanks God for clarifying that, too. But just kind of want to chime in about that timeline piece and just being transparent about when any any bigger changes to service levels could occur if if we if they were pursued and supported. Thanks, Daniel. Okay. number. We had a second question. I didn't. Maybe people have taken that on, but just for good measure. Our second question was, Does the Board have any questions about the engagement activities and feedback received to date? Treat me or back here. Tel: okay.

[54:04] I think I have one. Then. Daniel, I think. Okay. So you You told us about the number of responses you've gotten. Can you just say, what do you know about the the respondents like? What what are the factors but like, you know, age when I think you talk about mo shared. But what do we know about who's responding? We haven't dove into the I mean, there are optional demographic questions that can I? We can drill down a little bit further. So we haven't dove in in that level of detail, since the the engagement is still open through the end of this week. But that's to come, and I think that engagement summary, you know we'll be sharing some. Takeaways, you know, down to that level of detail. And and why I did want to highlight the kind of the the modal choices of respondents as well, and we have that upfront in the questionnaire to also kind of get at. you know. filtering this data down and trying to distill. You know areas of improvement for the program or potential changes so

[55:03] long winded way of saying, I think we'll get down to that level of detail with with a share of of the engagement responses. Okay, I suppose I'm: I'm. What I'm getting at is is is like making sure we're hearing enough from people that we want to hear from. So, and not waiting until the end to figure that out. Did you say the bike? I think the bite it was like 4 was like 2020% identified as a daily bikers. Yeah. yeah, transit was the transit Daily transit users was the 4%. Okay. Okay, I definitely for that. Thank you. Yeah. Anything else on this. Okay, Daniel Scott, do you have what you need from us for now. Yep. Thank you. Okay, Great? Well, thank you both. And why Don't, we move on to the next item

[56:00] Number 5 staff update and tap feedback on the final vision. 0 Action Plan, progress, and I believe Devin is leading this David. Can I turn it over to you? Yes, thank you, Ryan. All right, hopefully. Folks can see my screen. Well, good evening, everyone. My name is Devin Joslin. I'm the principal traffic engineer for the City of Boulder. For the past year I've been serving as the project manager for the Vision Vision 0 Action Plan, update and just really excited to be here tonight to discuss with you the draft plan. I'm joined tonight by Charlie Alexander, the Consultant Pro Project manager from Far and Peers, who is here to help me answer your questions. Following this presentation. I just really want to express a word of gratitude Before I begin. I I want to thank the project team and all those who served on it, and worked really hard behind the scenes. On the development of this plan.

[57:07] I also want to thank the members of the community and our stakeholder groups for providing feedback along the way. And to you tab as well for your feedback. And input we're just really eager to hear your thoughts on the draft plan. so i'll dive in now. Just wanted to preface this with. You know how this new plan is different than the prior plan. We heard a desire that the new plan needs to focus on action and be achievable with anticipated staffing and funding. and this plan is structured to do that. What I really want to highlight here and emphasize is that the new plan includes the components required for the city to pursue a safe streets and roads for all implementation. Grant the Ss. 4. A grant requires that the plan have a target of 0 involved. Boards and council conduct safety analyses to develop a high-risk network.

[58:06] engage robustly with community members and relevant stakeholders consider equity impacts of proposed projects and strategies. assess current guidelines and policies prioritize projects and actions and commit to measuring progress transparently. We're excited that the new plan incorporates all of these elements. Before I talk about the updated action plan, I want to briefly discuss the status of the prior action plan. This was request from some of our stakeholder groups. The status of prior actions were reviewed in part as a way to identify which actions were most successfully completed to identify the themes and emphasis areas best suited to carry forward into the updated action plan. The key takeaway here is that this check revealed the actions from the prior plan that Staff felt were most important.

[59:07] The actions staff tended to focus or excuse me. The action staff tended not to focus on as much were ones that required a disproportionate amount of effort versus anticipated impact. In this way. The review of the prior plan gave us an idea of where time would be well spent versus not. and the updated Action Plan Appendix speed, which was included in your packet. contains a list of all the actions identified in the prior plan. along with the color coded status of each actions that were green or on track to meeting the target. We had 25 of 50 actions that fell in the level green. Most of the completed actions were focused on installing counter measures, implementing signal phasing changes. enforcing unsafe travel behaviors. advocating for changes to state legislation. participating in regional vision 0 meetings to share knowledge and improving accuracy of crash, data and transparency

[60:13] and the yellow category. We had 12 of 50 actions. actions that had some progress, but not enough to meet the target included things, like updates to design standards, refinements to signage at right turn, slip lanes. developing a plan for multi-use lighting at underpasses and intersections. bolstering social media engagement and conducting evaluations to measure effectiveness of vision 0 treatments in the Red. We had 13 of 50 actions. Most incomplete actions are focused on things like education campaigns. raising awareness of and increasing funding for vision, 0 and better tracking progress of actions.

[61:00] And then. Now i'll dive into the new plan. And again, just the reason why we're doing the work that we're doing. Our goal is 0, and while Boulder's annual number of fatal and serious injury crashes is relatively low compared to other communities. It is still too much. What I want to point out here, though, is that our current level of severe crashes does make it a bit, challenging in terms of identifying those locations with specific crash patterns. For this reason we we broadened our sample size. We looked at 5 years of crash data in the action plan. We're looking at data from 2,016 through 2,020, and we also applied a systemic safety analysis which i'll talk about on the next few slides. because our level of crashes makes it difficult to establish location, specific patterns of crashes. We needed to take a systemic approach to crash reduction.

[62:10] Through this project we've developed a systemic approach for boulder to reduce fatal and serious injury crashes. This is also an international best practice for safety planning. The systemic approach focuses on common crash types and effective solutions. prioritizing locations with the most risk and implementing solutions across the system where possible to focus on common crash types. We found that just 7 types of crashes account for 62% of crashes on the high risk network to prioritize locations with the most risk. Many of our actions rely on broad implementation. first, across the high-risk network. which has 5 times the risk of bowlers and Torah entire arterial street network as a whole. Then, on remaining city streets.

[63:05] For this reason many of the recommended countermeasures are focused where there are high volumes of PET and bike activity. because the entering volume of vehicles, pedestrians, and bike lists bicyclists, is a primary driver of exposure and conflicts at a location we can use entering volume volumes of those different modes to prioritize different engineering solutions. You've seen the high risk network before, but we wanted to point out these interesting statistics that reinforce how focusing on this limited number of streets. we'll have an outsized impact on reducing fatal and serious injury crashes the high risk network includes streets with 5 or 6 overlapping risk factors. According to our systemic safety analysis. the high risk network includes 7 of city streets. That accounts for 48% of fatal and serious injury crashes.

[64:05] 56% of bicycle crashes and 57% of pedestrian crashes we also wanted to reiterate how the high risk network overlaps with many core arterial network corridors such as Baseline, Iris and Folsom. So we hope to implement many of these vision. 0 recommendations through the build out of core arterial network projects. I also want to reiterate and emphasize here that the many other concurrent work plan items the city has that we're also advancing safety. This is things such as the 88 transition plan and the pavement management program mobility enhancements. For example. I also want to point out as can be seen on the map on the right. that much of our high risk network also overlaps with Dr. Cog's high injury network. which is an important tool for allocating regional safety funding.

[65:06] there does remain a gap in funding required to implement many of the higher cost projects that the updated action plan identifies. while the transportation and mobility department has about 200,000 250,000dollars annually toward vision 0. The cost of higher projects can be hundreds of thousands of dollars each. These next few slides will walk through the project, identification and prioritization process that's outlined in the plan. This slide shows the 7 crash types. That account for 62% of severe crashes on the high risk network. Many of these were identified in the safe streets report and confirmed through the additional app analyses conducted for the action plan. The common crash types are shown here on the slide, but often do involve our vulner, vulnerable roadway users getting hit by people turning left.

[66:09] making right turns, having challenges at multi-use path crossings. and just in general also getting hit while crossing the street. So Here are the engineering solutions that the action plan recommends implementing across the system. In some cases there are multiple solutions for a given crash type. The plan is focused on action, and that mostly takes the shape of projects. In some cases actions include updates to either processes, guidelines, or policies. as well as experimentation and evaluation of solutions. Some of the guidelines plan to be reviewed and updated as part of the Action plan include the pedestrian crossing treatment, installation guidelines and the signal timing practices.

[67:06] The action plan itself is divided into 4 categories, encompassing a total of 20 actions. The first category involves implementing engineering solutions. and has the bulk of the actions at 9 actions. The second category involves pairing engineering solutions within an education and enforcement. It has 6 actions. The next in involves improving the city's internal vision 0 practices and has 2 actions. and the final category involves improving vision, 0 data and transparency, and has 3 actions. We wanted to focus a bit more on the engineering solutions, since these are likely of greatest interest to tab, although we certainly welcome your feedback on all aspects of the plan.

[68:01] What I want to point out here first is the top action, which is the broad implementation of several different counter measures, according to the systemic safety approach. And this is things like leading pedestrian intervals on restriction of right turn on red. implementing additional protected left turn phases. green pavement markings, and making improvements to right turn, slip lanes. The follow on to that is that in many cases we need to update relevant city practices and guidelines to ensure that our systemic implementation of the above treatments is uniform, and will most effectively manage risk across the system. The third one down we do plan to leverage our core arterial network improvements. To further address vision 0 needs along our major arterial corridors. and we recognize that speed management is an important tool city, wide and just a reminder that this year we are updating our speed limit setting and signing

[69:06] practices, and we will be implementing those new policies and practices in the upcoming years. The second to last bullet there acknowledges that in some cases we will be experimenting and evaluating to with different solution options where good research on solutions is not available. This is the case for right term slip LAN, for example. And finally, we've developed an additional set of low and higher cost. Solutions that are location specific. These solutions are different in type to the systemic treatments. but address safety needs that arose from analysis of the high risk network corridors in terms of next steps. I just want to point out again that there are many concurrent projects and programs that all work toward achieving vision 0.

[70:03] And as I mentioned, those are things like our core arterial network, the Ada transition plan and the pavement management program mobility enhancements. So please do keep in mind that all those projects and programs have an eye toward vision, 0 and their implementation and work to improve comfort for all modes and abilities for the plan itself, though we are planning to go to City Council early next month to present the plan and ask for endorsement of that plan as a work plan. Item. And then we're we're making a commitment as part of the plan to continue to analyze and report on progress in achieving the actions each year. And then the final note here is just a reminder that this is intended to be a 5 year Action plan. and include actions for the period from 2,023 through 2,027.

[71:00] So we anticipate that our next update to the plan will not be until 2,027. Brian I know, Prior to the meeting. We were kind of talking through some of the logistics, and I I didn't chime in at that time, but keep this in mind for the procedure following the presentation here that really we're requesting tab to endorse the vision 0 Action plan tonight. and the reason for endorsement rather than a formal motion and recommendation to support. Adoption of the plan is because the plan is an operational plan to implement goals that have and city council have already adopted in the Transportation master Plan. When the plan is brought to Council next month. there will not be any council action requested in terms of a resolution to adopt the plan. but Staff will more so be seeking endorsement of the plan as an ongoing work plan. Item for the transportation and mobility department.

[72:05] So we could certainly present for much longer on the details of the action plan and it's development. But we wanted to leave time for your questions and discussions. So thank you very much for your attention during the presentation. Thank you. Thank you, David. I I thought that was a great, clean presentation. I I feel any of the things that I would have wondered is is all put together right there. So I don't I won't have too much. But just to to be clear. What I think you would most use for us is. you would like a recommendation, so we'll do. We'll. We'll entertain doing a vote for an endorsement. It will have a little bit of discussion and more. That is, will give you that vote. Is that that? Okay? Sure. Yeah, that that sounds great. Okay, great tab colleagues, let's why don't we? Why don't we do that? Then maybe start if there's any questions for Devin and and and we could do discussion after that.

[73:04] So, Trini, you had your hand up which you have any questions. No, I just wanted to thank Devin, and and it's really exciting to see that the city's requesting funds from the safe. They've safe streets for all grants, and i'm really really happy to see that. And I guess my only 2 comments regarding the presentation. I never heard any mention of protected bike lanes. and if you could add that that would be fabulous, I think overall it's really well put together, and you know really well thought out. And it's a cheap solution. I would suggest. Race cross walks. Those have really a really high percentage of success with as far as the communities that have implemented them. I think it's like an 80% pedestrian. So that's all for me. But Thank you so much, Devin. And and yeah.

[74:05] thank you. Yep. Devin, do you need to do you want to respond any of that, or are you happy with. No, I I think that's a good point. I mean I I I hope it came through that. The the core arterial network is certainly a complementary thing to the vision 0 Action plan, and of course, the emphasis of that is to install a lot of those protected bike lanes along our major arterial corridors. So I think that's maybe part of the reason why it wasn't explicitly mentioned within the plan is, it's kind of implicitly understood that as part of the core material network. That is a focus area. Got it? Thanks, David. Okay, Ideally, we do questions now and then we'll come back for comments. Becky. Would you like to go? Yeah, thanks. And one question I have is in a few different places. The plan talks about proactive analysis to identify

[75:07] what changes will be made, and I, or if a change would be made to a given intersection or location, and one question I had was, is something being in the I forget the the Hr. N. What is the are, I forget, but for being in that network it is by virtue of being on in one of those areas? Is that already like reason for it receiving a change in treatment? Or is it just a higher candidate, and then additional analysis is done. I'm: i'm curious. So I, as an example, you know, protected left turns and leading pedestrian intervals, those kinds of things i'm wondering like. because, say it's an intersection as part of that network. Is it already

[76:00] like? Is is that reason for getting that leading question interval? Or or is that just a reason to look at it to consider it for that treatment. Yeah, I think it's the latter, I think essentially the the high risk network is the the first focus of a lot of our work. and some of the work, as I mentioned, will include taking a closer look at those guidelines thresholds to determine where and to what extent we will implement those identified solutions. Charlie, I don't know if you've got anything to add on that in terms of your analysis and understanding of of the way you structured the plan. Yeah, Th: that's correct. I'll I'll just maybe offer a a different way of describing it and and Becky different actions in the action plan themselves related to some of those systemic counter measures that Devin described. The way the action plan describes them is first to implement these across the high-risk network, then implement them at other locations. So it is intended that discretion is applied across the system but in terms of order of implementation, the high risk network would go first.

[77:11] I do think that a a benefit of that Iris network and some of the numbers that Devin portrayed like the the 5 times as much risk as other arterial streets is a helpful tool for prioritization for city staff as they go along, implementing different projects, and as as funding needs beyond what the city's got got money for become available. I think projects all along the high risk network can can effectively take priority. I mean. There might be other reasons why why other locations sort of comment at a higher position, or or, you know, align in position. But so I think it's on one hand it's full for implementation in the near term, but also a tool for implementation in the long term, as the city attracts regional state. throwing. Thank you. That's helpful.

[78:03] So, Becky. Okay, Tila. Thanks, Ryan. I think I have 3 questions, Devin. That was your best presentation so far. I think well done. And, as I said in my email earlier, it's great work on this document. I'm wondering if you have any top level explanations about what city staff can and cannot do on basically C dot highways, because I know, sometimes we've had some bright ideas about changing things like speed limits or line configurations or or signals on the Broadway or on Iris. But those are also, you know, high. We 1 19 or highway 36, because I was really fascinated by some of the discussion in the, in, the, in the proposed changes or things to consider about room doing things like removing slip lanes or changing speed limits, or you know, light and signal operation changes. So is there a is a sort of a bright line, or some guideline about what we can expect to ask for, and and to think about doing versus things that are just not on the table because they are kind of see down roads.

[79:06] Yeah, that's a great question. I I do think we are fortunate that we do have a really good relationship with C. Dot, and it's primarily the region for staff that we work with most often. and I will tell you that C. Dot is also in the process. Believe it or not. They're they're ahead of us on something, and that is, they're looking at changes to speed limits as well. So we've actually partnered with them on a project to review the speed along portions of South Broadway from Baseline to the city limits. kind of using their new speed limit setting methodology. So that is a project that's ongoing. Now that I think indicates a certain level of change in philosophy from C dot from ways that they had done work in the past. So I would say that there is probably more of an openness from

[80:00] the team of engineers@c.currently, then, there may have been in the past to these types of of changes on the on the highway system. I don't know, Charlie, if you have any insight into that or anything you're hearing from seed out on other projects that you're working on. I I If if there's I don't know the number of signals in boulder on the State highway system that are sent a bill 8 devin in terms of local maintenance and control. Yeah, it's roughly, I think, like 70 or so. It's it is quite a few. It's. It's nearly half of our signal system that falls under the Sb. 8 agreement. Okay, and is that 100% of the signals on the State highway system and boulder? Yes, it is, it does include pretty much all signals on the highway system. Okay, so so sorry, Tila, back and forth there to make sure, I answer the question correctly. So since Senate Bill 8 basically gives a control of the signals within the city of Boulder on the State, how a system to the city, in terms of, you know, a lot of their operational characteristics and maintenance, and Devin might correct me on some of the specifics of that, but it gives the city a pretty good amount of leverage in terms of decisions about like where left, turn lanes, or I'm sorry how left turn operation is changed, or how, how right terms are treated, not not

[81:23] unilateral per se, but a lot more influence. So typically I would say that where you've got sba signals you've got a lot of influence for change. Devin mentioned the other side of that related to speed limit setting, which I think is usually the other thing. We're often running up against, but it's exciting to see some change in those areas as well. Okay, Great. Thank you. That's really interesting. My second question has to relate to kind of the the 7, 6 or 7 factors that went into this identifying the high risk network table one, I guess on page 28 of the draft

[82:01] just has a big table of systemic safety analysis factors, and then 7 of them are highlighted in green, and i'm not really given any further information about why this is. and 2 of them seem mutually exclusive, whether it's a signal or major unsignalized intersection, for instance. So i'm like Well, would any of them be 6 out of 6. Maybe you're talking about a larger section than just an intersection. But in particular what i'm worried about and well concerned about is that multi-use path is just sort of thrown in there. and if you overlaid our multi-use paths network map with the high risk network map, there would be almost no overlap. And I think maybe what we're talking about is intersections of multi-use paths with some of these arterial streets. But it's not just that there's a multi-use path there, because they they they just don't line up. And if you look at the high risk network map it doesn't really align with where our our multi-use pads are. And so i'm i'm. In the third part of that that worries me. Is. I would hate to say that our multi-use paths which are designed to be, and generally do serve as a very comfortable, safe

[83:10] network of things for people to ride on I would hate to name them as a problem, and, in fact, a risk factor for pedestrian and bicycle injuries. So i'm guessing, and I didn't really spend too much effort trying to parse out, why, and where and how, what? The multi-use component was on the high risk. But i'm guessing that it was included as a high risk factor because it's probably due to driver inattention or unawareness or not being able to see multi-use path user until they intersect with with the roadways. But it's it's not. The fact that it's a multi-use path does happen to involve multi-path users. But that is not a correct statement of the problem. I think I just wanted to to check you on that, but that is is pretty pretty worrisome to me that it it's included, and not really explained anywhere in the document, and I think it's probably misdescribed. So can you? Shed a new light on that.

[84:08] Charlie? I don't know if that's a better one for you. I know we did include Tela hopefully. You got all the appendices. I know. It was a ton of material, but one of the appendices did speak specifically more in depth to the development of the risk. Factors and kind of gave a little more insight into the methodology of how Dare and peers arrived at those recommendations. Yeah, I devin I can. I can. I think that's Appendix a. I'll I'll check at the end, Tila, and try to address your question first. So I guess what I would offer is that the systemic safety analysis, Isn't attempting to sort of arbitrate what's right or wrong in terms of risk factors. It's really trying to understand where there is correlation between something in the built environment and crashes that happen particularly fatal and serious injury crashes. So that's really all it's looking for. Is there a correlation between these 2 things or not

[85:07] to that point? The the there's not necessarily the the intended interpretation of something showing up as a risk factor. Is not that the solution to that is the opposite right? So in some cases you know that that maybe is is intuitive where you know the the higher speed corridors, right? So that shows up as a risk factor. Obviously, if we could lower the speeds on the corridors, you know that that sort of mitigates the risk factor and and sort of she's the the endgame. But the intent of multi-use paths and and including them, is risk factor is not to suggest that removing multi-use paths is the solution. That's absolutely not what we're intending to say through this. but what we what we did find, and and the appendix that it talks to. This looks through the you know, exploring that mathematical relationship between these risk factors and fatal and serious injury crashes, and then the spatial relationship as well is that you you do have a a fair number of crashes that occur sort of for the reasons that you describe where where there are crashes between, you know a driver and a vehicle and a bicyclist or in some cases a pedestrian on a multi-use path

[86:17] streets like 28 portions of Arapaho, portions of table. Mesa I'm. Trying to think of some of the others in the portions of Broadway that have those multi-use paths, all all show up on the high-risk network. So the the intent of identifying those virus network streets is then to ask the question, okay, if that if that is an underlying issue, what are the solutions to that? Not to suggest that they would be removed? And that's where those 7 different crash types sort of come into the the fold of of aiming to a mitigate the risk associated with with the presence of that risk factor. Okay. Are you saying then that the 7 risk factors and the 7 crash types are like they match. They match up

[87:03] because it didn't that. But it might. The I did note. It was 7 and 7, but it didn't seem to be like a perfect fit. 6 and 7, yeah, 6. So yeah, I mean, I guess what I would say is that the sort of separate analyses the 6 risk factors were really generally, You know that analysis was to say, Where is the most risk across the system. And and Devin, you know, iterated the the of of 5 times as much risk on these streets right? And then, you know, really we we poured through every single one of those corridors and all the crashes that happen that 5 year period to identify those 7 crash types. And you know. Sure enough, one of those 7 relates to crashes our multi-use pass, and then we've got the associated counter measures. Does that make sense so specifically on multi-use pads at intersections with streets. Yeah driveways and minership. It's not the it's not the path, the entrance and exit and the the path gateways and

[88:03] you know, just to just to belabor the point. Perhaps a bit. It's. It's not again. Not the the risk factor isn't the multi-use path. but that there are vulnerable users concentrated on those with use pads, and we know that the vulnerable users are much more and disproportionately likely to be killed or seriously injured in a collision with a motor vehicle, right? And so it's not the multi's path problem. It's the vulnerable user. Versus £8,000 car problem. So if if been for the sake like I I read this stuff. And yeah, I did not read the Gosh, 56 with all crashes and that huge box. I can't even blow it up big enough to see the damn thing but the green and orange and yellow and red huge shirt, you know I I cats off on all the analysis. but not Everyone's gonna be like me and read through all the nitty, gritty details, and so to the extent that a casual reader will pick it up and say, oh, multi-use pads are a risk factor. I'm. Going to avoid those or whatever we need to. We need to do our best to avoid that impression at all costs on on this, you know.

[89:07] avoiding vision, achieving vision 0 and adopting this action plan, we don't want to be suggesting anything is wrong. So I hear your fine tuning, and I I get you and I don't disagree with you. I'm just saying the impression that we're leaving with the vast majority of our audience might not get to your nuanced expression of the problem. And I had. My third question was actually kind of taking advantage of Bill Cower and being here. And so I don't know if he's actually listening, because this isn't his his part right now, but and one of the slip lane Possible mitigations we talked about. We're moving this slip, slip line or adding signage, yield, signage, or ped signage, and I know that during Bill Coward's tenure as director. I don't think anyone who was working on that with him is still here at the city, but they they did experiment a little bit, with using different signage to alert motorists to crossers at the at the of multi-path users on the slip lines.

[90:11] and I don't recall if the results of any of that analysis yielded anything, or if they got reported to tab. So if if Bill is on a listening, i'm curious if you can shed any light on what, whether we learned anything from that that would inform the mitigations that we're considering. Now, in this vision to your action plan. I am on. I am listening. Is that something you'd like me to address them? Yes, yeah, if you have that on your memory and and can shoot from the hip on it. Sure, Go ahead, i'll i'll endeavor to do so. Bill Catherine, with the Fox Federal Transportation Group, former city of older employee. Yes, at the At the time that we developed, I think, the last safe streets Boulder report there was. There had been a several locations where we had put the State law yield to pedestrian signs in place at the crosswalks of the right turn. Bypass Islands.

[91:14] basically acknowledging that those were crosswalks. They should be signed as crosswalks. They should have the signs that tell drivers what to do. whereas sort of a standard approach would be to not have any signing there, and to just have like a yield sign. My understanding is that, and these these would be results that were in the prior, safe streets, folder, report. and should be able to be found is that they we're successful in lowering crashes, at least some of the locations where that was implemented. and there was going to be consideration of that being a standard approach. I also know that there have since been some challenges with using those State law signs on

[92:00] State highways, so I don't know if that has influenced their use as well. That's what I recall. Thank you, Bill. Thanks for putting up with me on that you're looking well good to see you. and and I can add on to that just a little bit. So you probably saw that one of the actions is to get consistent signs and markings at slip lanes. So essentially, that is saying, we would do another kind of audit of the signs and markings at slip lanes. and just make sure that they are consistent across the system that you know there might still be a location like Bill said. Where we have. you know, Obviously all of these have crosswalks across them, but they might not all be signed with the State law, yield signs or other ped warning signs. and we would look to essentially make that change at those locations that don't have those signs. The other consideration is the

[93:00] the way the yield condition functions. If it goes into a kind of dedicated lane that gives notice, room to merge. Or if it just is a basically a forced yield condition where the lane goes into the 3 Lane directly, without giving kind of a merge lane for motorists, and that kind of dictates where the yield sign goes. whether it goes like before the crosswalk or after the crosswalk, but just taking a consistent look at that across the system. and then to Bill's last point. That is one thing where see that did challenge us. I think it was in 2,021 on the State law yield signs that we had at the crossing locations for slip lanes on the State highways. and our answer to that was to just install the standard yellow diamond warning sign that has the PET and bike symbols on it with the downward arrows in those locations. So there are a few locations where, if you come across a slip lane and it's on a State highway you will see the

[94:08] the diamond shaped pedestrian warning sign, and if it's at another location that's a boulder street. you would most likely see the the Boulder State Law yield sign. Okay. Thank you, Devin. Thank you, Bill, to you. Anything else from your side. Okay. I have 2 questions. Devin. The first is about the crash analysis, and I don't want to put you on the spot, so the answer might well be need to think about it. But i'm just curious about crash, analysis and crash factors in terms of months of the year or seasons of the year or time of day or weather conditions. I I didn't pretty much about that in

[95:01] there presentation, or the slides, and i'm just there. There's no nice presentation. Got me thinking about this this aspect of I guess. Partly. Is there any implication of this plan for snow so nice? But I guess is more generally. Is there any? I don't know anything else. It's been done on time of year, time of day weather conditions, as far as major contributing factors. I can start Charlie, and then you can add on. So i'll point out, Ryan, that as as part of the project, we did some specific intersection crash analysis that was based on highway, safety, manual methodology. and that looks at what they call safety performance functions. And then, in addition to that, we did what's called direct diagnostics, and it's a way of determining whether a particular crash type at a, at an intersection is over represented compared to

[96:01] similar intersections. and I think through that analysis that is intended to capture. For example, whether you know snow and ice related crashes are occurring at a a frequency higher than expected at a particular intersection. So the to the extent that we looked at 35 intersections. I don't think we saw really any friends or things that would say that seasonality or or weather played an impact. Now I will say with respect to time of day, that is something we look at very closely when we're considering how we implement our left turn phasing changes, because. recognizing that, you know, if a left turn crash occurs on a Saturday morning that may be occurring under a different set of circumstances than if it occurs during the the weekday rush hour, for example. So that is very much a consideration in terms of our left turn facing Charlie. Anything to to add on to that. From your analysis work

[97:13] I I would just offer something that we looked into. I I worked on the the regional Vision 0 Action plan for Dr. Cog, and this is a couple of years ago, Ryan, but we explored some hypotheses related to the role of weather and fatal and severe crashes and sort of found that opposite, maybe, of what you would intuitively expect. You'd sort of think it's not nice on the ground, though you know we're going to see more fatality, serious injuries. and generally, you know, we a couple of things that we found one is that the number of days in a typical year in in Colorado's climate, where that is a a contributing factor, just sort of lens itself, you know, downwards and from upstate New York, you know, the snow stays on the ground once it falls for 5 months, right so that that time period is longer versus the the the Snow and Melton Stone. All that we've got here. The other thing that we found was that while total crashes tend to go up because you get more fender vendors.

[98:06] serious and fatals actually tend to go down proportionally, because you have a lot more people staying at home, and you also have people driving at a slower rate. So that's what we found on a regional scale. We didn't look through this effort, whether or not that that was repeated or different in boulder. But that's the only thing I've got additive to what Devin provided. Okay, Thank you. And my second question is on this: the presentation deck. I think it's like 7. There's a map of the overlay of the Can and Hrn. I I just noticed I look at Iris, and it it feels more truncated than what I expected to see for a representation of Can I wonder if I'm? Maybe not reading this what I should. But I guess my question is, if if you can, if you have. The map in front of you

[99:04] is that little that horizontal blue line intended to be representation of. So you got it there. Of of all of what we're doing with can and iris or or not. No, it is not the the can Iris project. The western limit is the the west end of virus which is the Broadway intersection. So it's the the the portion that is not technically considered part of the high risk network that goes from Broadway to, I guess Nineteenth Street is included in the core arterial network project for Iris. Okay, great. So yeah, this is just the the over, the over the 2 and nothing further. Okay, thanks for clarifying. That's all right. Can I jump in, Brian? I had a similar question on on these like this: is this this slide that you're showing now is the same as figures 10 and 11 on page 32 and 33 at the draft report. and i'm just not clear what they're supposed to be showing.

[100:05] because it seems like we're supposed to be seeing H. I. N. And Hr. In, but the the right hand, the table 11 just uses Hr: and no, it doesn't. I just i'm not sure what i'm supposed to be learning from these these 2 graphs, confused as well. So I can try to explain that again. Well, I don't necessarily need to have it explained to me at the moment. I'm just thinking about who's going to read this and look at it. And what are they going to get from it? So just consider whether we need to. Because if you're confusing me and Ryan, you're going to be confusing a whole lot of people. Yeah, that's that's all. Thank you. Sorry, Ryan, go ahead that for me. Devin, Did you? Sorry, did you wanna were you? You don't need to of it. Did you want it? Yeah, I mean. we can definitely take a look at at ways to maybe make that more clear. Essentially, it's trying to show on the left that the high-risk network

[101:00] is broader than the core arterial network. The high risk network includes other arterial street network or other streets besides the core arterial network. So that's kind of the the take away there, if you will, and then I think on the right. It maybe does get a little bit more confusing because Dr. Cog has what they call critical corridors and high injury network corridors. But I think there because you're seeing a lot more of the blue than the red color it's, showing that there is a very strong correlation of our high risk network to what Dr. Cog had already identified as their high injury or critical corridors. Okay. So just to add to that, I would assume that because these areas that are not included in can they will be prioritized, which is actually like a good thing, because they'll be they. They will be fixed

[102:04] and hopefully eliminated from the high-risk network. Correct? That's probably one way to think about it. Yeah. yeah, I mean, i'm i'm looking at Thirtieth Street, for example. And that is. I mean, it's shown as a core arterial network, segment, a high risk network, segment, and then it is on a Doctor cog critical corridor. So it is a corridor that is of, you know, very high regional importance. That would be, would lend itself to getting funding for a core arterial network type level of project. Great. Okay, I think we've gone through each of the Tab members questions, and we've all sorts of feedback. Perhaps. Could I suggest we so we we would need to get to the question of of do we have a majority to vote on this to endorse? But before we do that, are there any other discussion folks want to have among Tab or any other

[103:08] input for staff? I don't have any. Thank you. Go ahead. Yeah, thanks. Well, I didn't say for yeah, I think it's a really great document. I'm really excited about this vision 0 action plan, I you know. Really, I love the improvements over the past version, and it's just I can really see, you know, through this plan like that, the link between actions and goals and activities. It just yeah, it's so. It's really great. And and of course I know if this work is already started in many forms and like with the vision 0 data dashboard, which was also a really great great project. It's been super useful. So yeah, so this is all around really excited about this work now. So, thanks to everyone who who's been involved with it. I also like the balance of you know this is what we can do. Shorter for less money, and this is what we'll take more resources and what we have right now or more time. It's really helpful, and I think we'll help as we

[104:08] You kind of work through these things over the years, like knowing that we can kind of refer back to this plan and and kind of understand where they fit into the bigger picture, and I also found it really helpful that you know, as I had questions while I was reading it, they were answered in the course of the document. So yeah, it's overall really excited about it. You said a couple other things which are kind of questions, but not questions to be answered tonight about about this plan to sort of bigger picture sort of thinking about. You know how to help make this plan as successful as it can possibly be. And 1 one thing I was interested in was the the third of the 4 action types that improve the city's internal vision, 0 practices, and specifically for all capital projects designate transportation, mobility, representative to champion vision, 0 goals and strategies.

[105:06] And I was just. I was curious thinking about projects where any projects where there's overlap with other parts of the city, other departments, other actors. and you know, is there a way to encourage that also within other departments that are interacting because they have. Yeah, I guess I guess where I'm coming from is that in some projects I've seen over the course of my time on tab since last year is that sometimes limitations come from not having purview that come, that somebody else, some other department has over a certain part of transportation effectively, or something that affects transportation very closely, and knowing that there's not just a representative to champion vision, 0 goals from transportation, but also from planning or community vitality, or or, you know, a Times council, or you know I I feel like that to me seems like a important ingredient to this being successful is like making sure that

[106:10] the other departments are also prioritizing this as something. They are a part of. So there's not really a question there, I guess, but it's something i'm interested in is. you know. Is there a way to work towards that, or or make at least make other departments aware of? Make sure they're aware of this plan, and like supporting it as much as possible. Yeah, that's really good feedback, and and that way I saw you popped on. I don't know if you have anything. I was just gonna say, I appreciate that feedback and just perspective, and certainly we're thinking about it city-wide, too. How do we. you know, make sure that as an entire organization the kind of goals of the departments are being lifted up, and then we're able to kind of have those conversations across departments on those

[107:04] multi-led type of efforts. I think we have a few on the top of our mind right recently, where that's been the case. So yeah, we just I. You know, I appreciate that point, and I think Nuri is definitely thinking about it. And the director team is thinking about it. So we'll continue to just talk about that and and think about how we can lift up the work that's important to the departments for the whole city organization. Thanks. And if there's anything you know we can do as tab to help with that, please let us know. Yes, I had one other a similar main kind of but and and not not something to be answered right now, or that I would expect to be answered in this plan. But if there are other bigger picture policies or changes, for instance, I could come from Council. That would make this work easier. I understand. Funding is, you know is is a part of that, you know, just resources to to execute. But in addition to that, you know, i'm just interested in.

[108:14] So you think ahead like. Are there things that to help support or advocate for that would help make the point, you know, make like executing this plan either easier or cheaper or faster, or you know, any or more efficient, or any of the above. So I just, you know. I hope you think about that as we move forward, and so that we can understand how we can be helpful in pushing those things ahead. Yeah. So yeah, no, not really a question there, just to another comment. So thanks a lot. I don't think it's quite a draft bill yet. But one thing that Carl Castio and the city have closely been tracking is the there are proposed changes to the photo. I'll just call it the Photo Enforcement Bill, and so that is one thing that you know, Tab and council, you know you could potentially sort of lobby and and get behind that, making those changes, because that would give us more flexibility. And how we operate the photo radar ban and conduct photo Enforcement in the city.

[109:19] Okay, yeah, that's great great feedback. Thank you. Okay, Becky. Anything else from you. Okay, I'm: sorry, Tila, before you say something, because I'm going to forget just really, really quick about the van. How do you determine where the van is placed? Is it like just rotated in different neighborhoods. cyclically, or I mean, is there? I'm just really curious about that, because I feel that we've had a lot of incidents in near a fair view High School, and I think that would be really helpful if we could just place it there. But I don't know what the what the protocol is

[110:01] Sure I can certainly make that request to Pd. We do keep metrics on all the locations where the van is deployed, so that that does come into place sometimes as far as locations that do have a higher violation, where, I would say, often get the van more than other locations that Don't have a higher violation rate just by virtue of kind of the way that works. And then, of course, there are the limitations of the current State law, and that somewhat limits us to as to where we can put it so. But I can. I can make that request to Pd. And and keep keep in mind the need to put the van Near schools. Thank you so much, Devon and i'm sorry to you for jumping in you what? No problem Treaty. Thank you. Almost all of my notes have the checkmark next to them. So I just have a few more comments and suggestions. And then one question.

[111:03] It thought the Glossary at the front was really super helpful, and i'm going to get a little bit into the weeds. This is the first time, and probably last time before it gets, you know, given to Council that I've actually seen it in this kind of detail. I I was confused because we just described in the Glossary of vertically separated Bike Lane. And reading that definition, it actually sounds more like an example of one physically protected bike lane. But we don't define protected Bike Lane, or physically protected Bike Lane anywhere. And so I would really to me a vertically separated by claiming the kind of thing that we tried to do on North Broadway, where the bike lane itself is separated vertically. And you're talking about a vertical separation in the buffer area at least the way the definition is written. So I think we can. We can do a little bit better on our description of what protective bike infrastructure looks like with that, just calling it a vertically separated by click. Happy to work with you. Offline on that if you like any further help on that. Thank you for numbering the action plan items it was. It just was so hard to use the last action plan and refer to things. And now that you've numbered and subnumbered them. It's going to make things a lot easier for that when we're trying to communicate

[112:11] with each other and with the public about it. I'm not sure that the responsible party column in the action plan is terribly useful, because most it's you know it's. I think it's probably a hold over from the last one, and most of them are transportation and mobility, and sometimes it's just transportation, and even I don't know what the difference is there. And obviously, if we're talking about Enforcement, obviously Pd. Is going to be a partner, so I think it might make it look cleaner and easier to read and shorten it a bit if we don't include that column. and then finally on on the Action Plan chapter, it comes way at the end, and I understand. We're describing sort of where we were, where we are when our priorities are, how we built it. We're kind of going phonologically. I at the very least I would have some executive summary, maybe without all the sub points. But some chart graphics, something quick and really close to the front, maybe before the current chapter 3 that describes

[113:03] what we're proposing. And then, when people want more, you know and say to like, See page 54 for like more detailed description of these items. But you're taking too long to get to the punchline on this action plan, because it's it's all the way down. What? Chapter 5 or something. So consider putting it up front or an executive farm summary or moving it out earlier. Check my checkmark check. Mark. Okay. The last thing I wanted to raise with you. It. Hasn't happened yet on the or in my email earlier on the multi-use. Oh, multi we use path crash. Page and I don't have a page. Number. But when we're talking about the different crash types, multi-use path crashes is one of them and I should probably look at what i'm looking at. so that they were the 2 flavors of multi-use path Crashes were basically a driver turning left from a Major street

[114:08] crossing the multiuse path, entering what would maybe be a minor street. It's not clear where they're what they're crossing, but they're crossing, and we'll use path. And during the left turn off of a major street. and then the other kind of multiuse path crash that came up as one of the common crashes. And this was something we're trying to avoid is someone on a minor street, or crossing a multi-use path and entering a Major Street turning right and looking for traffic on the left, and not noticing someone on the multiuse path coming towards them or not noticing quickly enough that there's that they're crossing this path. and sometimes that's not having enough storage space for a for a driver who's crossed, and we'll use path to then assess oncoming traffic, and that was one of the mitigations that you had suggested. So I guess what I'm asking is because both of those kinds of multi-use path crash problems, types are precisely what community cycles has been raising Again, and again about the Broadway and Grand View proposed Intersection crossing the Maltese path

[115:08] at the University Hill Convention and Complex right now that's under construction. Those are those are the 2 things that they pointed out are huge problems, and we would expect them to be of greater concern, because with this construction we're inviting. I I forget what the number is maybe 11 times more, maybe more than that of motor vehicles crossing that path. So my question is. which of the mitigations that you have described here in this action plan. Should we expect to see at Broadway and Grand View. Natalie feel free to jump on here if you'd like I. So I would say to you, there has been some development on that front. See? You hired fuel design to do an independent review, and I believe that report has been released as of Friday.

[116:00] and there are a number of recommendations in that report as far as okay. So so I miss folk there, but you've seen it, so I I have seen the report, and we'll just say there are additional mitigations that are recommended. I don't know, Natalie, if you've got anything else to add. Yeah, so there are. And we're definitely looking at the feasibility of those and see you will be preparing some information to publicly release that document here in the next probably week or 2. Okay. I I guess that leads me to a small follow up question which is given that this is an action plan that we're implementing and not like asking to be endorsed or specifically adopted by city council. But it's already part of an ongoing transportation master plan effort. What kind of teeth with new tools like, say, removing right turn, slip lanes

[117:05] that we haven't talked about before, and that aren't in the transportation master Plan, but are in this action plan. What what kind of enforceability and sort of power do we derive and and give to city staff to sort of implement these procedures without having to sort of reinvent the engagement wheel. If it's in this vision 0 action plan that that's a good question. My My understanding is, I think, as we've tried to explain what the right term slip lanes is that that is an area that doesn't necessarily have very clear national guidance or extensive research. So I don't mean to be Kg: but I think that is one particular thing that we're saying we would take sort of a a crawl, walk, run sprint type, approach to where where we're, saying, I think, with this plan we want to crawl

[118:07] and explore it a little bit before we we sprint and go and change every right turn slip line in the city. Well, maybe I used a bad example because I was trying to not re-raise Grand View and Broadway. But I was really thinking of Brand View and Broadway. If we say when we see this potential for these crashes, multi-use proofs, multi-use path Crashes of these 2 varieties, and both of them exist. At this intersection that's being worked on right now does this action plan give the city leverage to a force, a safer design that is encompassed in the vision. 0 Action plan, say, adding extra vehicle storage space for between crossing the multi-use path and entering the roadway. Are we going to be able to do that with this action plan? If that's, something that city decides is necessary to protect users of them will use path at that location. I I don't know that is tied directly to this plan, but but I would say.

[119:04] keep in mind that there is in process the Dcs 2.0, 3 queue update. and that will be coming your way. I believe in May. so as part of that. It is looking at ways to better address these situations that we've come across on certain projects like this. Thanks, Devin. That's all my questions. Ryan. Okay, I think. Tany, did you have anything else as far as discussion or feedback, or we move to a it's both. I would just say that with Tila seems right on point. I mean, it's better to create something that is good from the get, go and create a solution rather than to have to come back and fix it. So yeah, that's my only

[120:02] additional feedback. Okay, and I said, I, I don't really have anything. I I feel pretty pretty satisfied. I I agree with what I've heard from my Tab colleagues. I I feel pretty satisfied with what i'm saying. And. Kevin, I remember you're in your some of your early days when when you started. I recall discussion with how many East there are, but I think I had made a comment. Gosh! I wish that engineering he would be a lot more prominent, and I see that here. I think that's whether it's coincidence or whether you but you you listen. I i'm glad to see that. And I I think that that's that's really great. So I don't know if we should do a straw poll first, or this is more straightforward than that. Maybe a strap like Raise your hand. Are you ready to endorse this? Happy to? Okay, great, maybe before I sort of do it officially did it. If I could ask, maybe Tila for advice from the trenches like, should we do a vote with any caveats like

[121:03] we we endorse this along with the input we provided, or just Yeah. So because we didn't have a public hearing on this item, we can't actually take formal action, it meaning like a resolution. And so I think, just getting the general endorsement of Tab is probably the best we can do. Okay. Then I would like to entertain a motion to recommend that tab endorse this plan. Anybody want to make the motion? I second option. Good. Okay. I need the motion 3 s. Okay, all all in favor alright, for for 4 out of our of our 4 here. So thank you. Devin and team. Great work. Yeah. Thank you so much for the feedback.

[122:01] Okay. So let me just Orient here. Okay, we're on to item 6 matters. Starting with matters. I think we have another agenda item which was the update about the ramp. Or is that not happening? Because the the agenda that I looked at this morning had ramp, and that's why Bill. Coward's here. right. I have that as a sub bullet under matters from staff for half a second to a higher item. In any case, that was my the next item. I okay, Thank you. I just didn't think it was under matters. Thank you. Natalie. Did you? Did you? Wanna So I I was just going to help introduce it. Samantha, from community vitality is here to provide the update on the ramp by them, and it's under matters this month as it's just a briefing for you, and they'll be coming back, and Samantha will be talking about that for additional input thanks. We have to go ahead.

[123:01] Thanks, Natalie. Good evening, Board members. Thanks for having me back tonight. My name is Samantha, as you've heard from community vitality. If you'll recall the last time I presented that tab we spoke about performance based pricing. Which are we are implementing in a few short weeks here and about ramp, which is what we're speaking to about tonight. We've identified new areas of interest, including the East to our neighborhood, which is met all criteria, and is ready for the next steps to determine a systematic and data-driven approach to propose regulations for non permit parking and permitted zones we've engaged with Bill Cowan of fox subtle to lead this work who has a presentation. So, Bill. Thank you. Thanks, Ameta again. Bill Cowan, with the Fox Title Transportation Group. Thanks for having us this evening. See, my share screen works. Are you folks seeing that

[124:10] there you go now I'm seeing it in presentation. So, as Samantha mentioned. we are here to talk tonight about the residential access management program or ramp. and particularly a a second phase of this policy work as part of the Amps implementation, the city of older developed and analysis tool which can be used to identify residential blocks which have characteristics suggesting that might benefit from residential access, management, plan or ramp mitigation. This analysis tool was developed last year, reviewed by city policymakers in the fall, I believe, including yourselves. and since that time community vitality has undertaken an evaluation of over a 1,000 block faces to determine where potential ramp mitigation would be potentially beneficial. This includes a potential expansion to the East. Aurora and Npp Zone.

[125:07] In doing so community Vitality also identified some additional kind of deeper policy questions that that weren't identified and dealt with in the the first in policy document. and they've asked us to help them in coming up with some recommendations for that. Things having to do with the neighborhood, permit parking program and ramp fall to the purview of tab. And as we're just starting this work effort now, we wanted to get in front of Tab and and get any initial feedback before we began. And this basically. Just describes what I just said. We have 2 policy questions about implementation that we'd like to talk with you about this evening. The first is

[126:00] when new blocks have been identified. You know a new zone or an expansion. How is it determined, if additional blocks should be added to the zone to the blocks. Specifically do the blocks need to be petitioned. the petition to be included. and there is some guidance around this. In the Npp Zone regulations there's a a direct being, directly continuous to qualifying blocks. 60% occupancy. or at least 3 h 25% of parking occupied by non residents I mean those things are in the the regulations, and and would be pertinent. But it's also historically been the practice that new blocks were only added to the Npp. If they petitioned to be included in that is unclear now in the policy. So we're very interested in clarifying that and getting Tabs feedback on that question

[127:02] just as an example. This is the East Aurora network. In this case all of these blocks shown did petition to be in the program. But if you could imagine for a second that they didn't, and that maybe only one or 2 of these blocks had petitioned to be in the program, decisions would have to be made about, whether only those blocks were included, or if additional blocks that met certain criteria might be included as well. And would that be only if they petitioned or not. then the second question, how will the city determine how non permit parking shall be regulated within the new zones? And this there is some some language in the Npp Zone regulations. whose language, allowing for paid parking to be implemented in an Npp.

[128:01] Requiring payment for parking during enforced hours, except for permit holders. additional language about considerations for night time and weekend restrictions. an additional availability of alternative parking, transit. and other multimodal service as factors to consider the most neighborhood permit. Parking zones currently have only a time restriction upon them. The Chautauqua Access management plan is the the city's first 4, 8 into mixing a charge for parking and a neighborhood permit zone. and I think there's consideration of whether. that when that should be used in new or expanded npp situations as well. And these are the ramp strategies. You've probably seen this slide before different ways in which

[129:01] these could potentially be managed with time limits, with paid, parking with time limits and paid parking night time, restrictions, seasonal restrictions, weekends and seasonal restrictions. And then these key metrics yeah. are fundamental to the residential access to the program, the the parking occupancy. Visitation versus resident Parking. Zoning this idea of barriers to pedestrian movement. the resident petition and the other considerations like cost proximity. convenience to nearby parking, transit options, impacts to other adjacent neighborhoods. These are all things that we we offer as potential considerations. and I can bounce back and forth between these slides, if they're necessary when you're providing feedback. So again, this is. This is just the

[130:05] the initial discussion of this topic, and we just want to get your initial feedback on these 2 items before we begin. And these are the 2 questions. Thank you, Bill. I have colleagues who would like to jump in. Becky. Yeah, thanks. So I just make sure I'm clear for question One it's about it. It's not like we're not talking about the other. We're only talking about petitioning, as in whether the degree to which petitioning should be used, not the degree to which other the other things like the other. There are other things that are already used as a standard for determining this right? That's correct, that are included in the regulations.

[131:01] Okay, so it's only the petitioning. The question is, If if petitioning is then well, petitioning is in the regulation, too. So i'm. I share Becky's question. What exactly are you asking for for question. One Yeah, if I might, Bill, there are some areas where, like certain blocks, might petition. But then we might study blocks adjacent to the ones that petitioned as well to see whether this spill over. So it's. You know there's already been a petition for a specific area. But do we include additional blocks that might benefit from ramp. even though they didn't submit a petition. I I really think that this is in response to this sort of page old issue of the neighborhood. Permit parking program where you go in and you put in the block. and then the parking moves to the next block, and then you put in a block.

[132:00] and it moves to the next block and so forth. And right historically, the program had been set up. That that was the only way that it could be done. The new regulations allow for that to be different. But should it be different. Bill, I have a question. It's. Tila related to what you just said about whether other blocks are included when one block petition. So you know i'm most familiar with the Mapleton Hill. Npp. And I know it's gotten expanded a couple of times by petition from people living on Pine Street. and when those additional blocks got added, it was at least 2 different phases where they got added on the side streets between pine and spruce and pine and highland on on the numbered streets got added in, even though those households didn't have anything in the petition.

[133:05] In fact, on one of those blocks there is no household. so it's not entirely the case that it's the only only way that they've gotten into the past. Somehow these things have been added in the past. and and maybe what you're here for today is to see clarity on, you know, when that should happen and not happen. But it has happened in the past. So again i'm a little confused. What we're, what we're asking, what? What kind of feedback you're asking? Yeah. So so we are seeking clarity on that exact issue. On the first question we into questions and feedback. Now, right, Ryan. I didn't clarify. I yeah. Why, why don't we do the questions? I guess those questions. Do you have any more questions, Becky.

[134:01] No, I don't. Okay. Do you like your questions? I do. Yes. and my main question is on on question one in particular. Why are we only asking about expanding zones, because I know a. An an an important part of our previous discussion was assessing whether the Npp. Is performing as it is, or, you know, as as intended, because you guys use the word spill, over which I think community vitality has been careful to not use for a couple of years. But it's basically standing for the idea that the Npp Zone itself is causing parking problems in right in other areas that Don't otherwise have a parking demand Generator. And so, and I think a critical question is whether the expansions earlier have been excessive, and whether they were over compensating or or overtreating a problem. So

[135:07] is there any I do? I need to be asking you to consider that as part of this this issue. Is that gonna be something else you're looking at. Have you been instructed not to look at. maybe reducing the size or certain blocks, for instance, one where there are no households? Or is that kind of not what you're here for. so i'll. I'll ask Samantha to chime in if I miss speak at all. The we've only been tasked with looking at these 2 questions. The my understanding and reading the regulations is that they're are very specific regulations already associated with removing zones. So if if somebody wanted to pursue removing a zone they could. That's true by petition. That's the only way the well actually the new regulations allow us to remove the zone if it's underperforming after 3 years. So there is still that element of it as well.

[136:09] And I think grace. Yeah. And I think if if we're examining a zone. There's an opportunity to examine the zones, boundaries as they are as well, and seeing what changes have to be made. But tonight the question is for new zones or expansions of existing zones where we're adding an Npp. Should we consider blocks that did not petition Kelly, I think you're on mute. I don't know if you're talking. Yeah, no, I'm just kind of talking to myself because i'm on the question that i'm wondering if I have questions about question 2, and I just don't know whether there are flavors of things to that. You've already decided or or relevant things with your determining how nonprofit parking gets regulated within a new zone. Does that the list of like management possibilities, Bill, that you had up, or those what we're trying to do between

[137:08] is this slide? Yes. so are these. Are these, then, is this the menu of options we're being asked to to consider? Or are you open to us? Adding menu items, I guess, with respect to number 2, I'm. i'm gonna answer, and then i'm gonna say again the way in, if I mystique. But I think that we are open to any feedback that would pertain to how decisions are made about managing the administration or restrictions of non permit parking. We'll take your feedback well put. Thank you. Hey? Any more questions.

[138:02] Any questions for me? I don't see you any questions here. Okay. I am my question, and that this is a remedial question that I that I wasn't able to answer on the Google search here. I know you come before us and and shared RAM. So apologies if I if I should remember this. But I'm. Is there a way to just summarize the goals or the mission or ramp like? What? What what is the problem that ramps trying to solve, or just like it, some high, level way to explain what is ramp like before you do these questions, what is ran up trying to do. What is the successful ramp look like? Yeah, that's a great question. Ramp. The intention behind ramp is to take a data driven and equitable approach to managing parking within neighborhoods in the city. whereas before the approach was very much based on the petition of a neighborhood or loud voice. We want to use parking, occupancy data and and other sources of data to help inform where we should be managing, parking. Where are the where are the problem areas. And where do we need to be

[139:09] mitigating things like parking spill over from high trip generating destinations? Okay, I heard. So I heard data data driven and equity. And then the the the only problem I heard was parking spill over. So maybe that is the the point, but substantively like, what are the props and the problems are. Is it? Is it just a a a propagation of too many cars looking for for for space to park on the streets, and that's just sort of the point, or is there? I don't know more to the substance of the the I guess the the goals of the I mean I I I I understand that we want to be data-driven and equitable, but as far as like the the actual

[140:00] reason for it to exist. I I can't spill over. Are there other sort of key points about like goals or objectives of the program? Sure, I mean the overall objective is to manage access to ensure that that people have access to their homes, and that other visitors for users still have access to those blocks as well as needed, but that we create. Yeah, we can create the turnover to and sure that access. you know, streets are completely overcrowded with cars. It can create some dangerous scenarios, so that access becomes an important piece of the puzzle. Okay. access really means. I mean, I could have some different work, different definitions. But really, that means the spaces to park your spaces to park the car. That's that's really what we mean, right like i'm the mechanical thing. We're trying to figure. Okay. and the and so ramp will address the issue of could finite number of spaces that parked a car and and perhaps too many cars to go there

[141:16] through. Okay, through these measures. Fine? Okay, Did you want to follow up? Well, we've been ready for discussion, but that's okay. Sorry. I wasn't. Sure, If you had a like a like me to follow up that question. Okay. Okay, I'm. I guess this is the comment. I'm: i'm. I'm just i'm maybe i'm not as smart as my colleagues, but i'm I'm. I'm just kind of struggling with how to answer this question with respect to like what matters like what I I my first, My first stop on a on in on most most of the it comes for Tab is, how does this? How does this support key. Tmp: Goals particular mode, shift vision, 0,

[142:04] vehicle, miles, travel, reduction and gh 2 goals. So I would love to understand better like how ramp supports those. And then I could ask. I I could answer the question in terms of keep in terms of Here's how I guess strategies might might support the way we're driving down those goals. But I guess i'm just not. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if I have a connect enough with the connection to to comment, so i'll let there's way in, and then i'll maybe I'll find further inspiration. So, Ryan, if I if I could. The statement that you've just made is, in fact. really pertinent feedback. So I mean, I would summarize basically what you said, as when you come back. make sure it's clear how your policy aligns with transportation goals.

[143:02] Great. Yeah, that's that's great. And I would specify the 4 the 4 from the from the Tmp. That I'd mentioned, and what to see strategies for those. Okay. How about you? And then and then that training after? Okay, thanks. Yeah. I have very generally negative feelings, but mixed feelings about the neighborhood parking permit program now ramp. and in particular, because I think it tends to lead to over expansion. And so I do think that when new blocks have been identified, namely, when they've petitioned we should be looking at to the extent to which their petition is driven by spill over parking. That is, we should be looking at how existing the the contiguous block or blocks are performing; and if we are consistently seeing that they're parked well below 60, then I think we have set our threshold at the wrong spot

[144:03] to say that we should be adding more preferential treatment of residents on our city streets that are public property. I think I have seen how the Mapleton Npp. Operates, and I agree that there is a lot more congestion in demand on the western end of it than or on the eastern end of it, closer to you know the trip generators as expected mit Ctl. And then here on the western end, and the western end of western expansions have been driven by spillover parking only, and so I think it's really quite important. 250 to be trying to mitigate that, not by excluding other other neighbors and other people further away. But by making sure that we're managing the curbside a little bit better so I would include. under performance or under parking of existing Npp. Blocks or ramp blocks, to be part of that determination about whether you need to add on additional blocks to the zone.

[145:06] I would look at density of housing. One of the Mapleton Hill, Npp. Blocks has 8 houses on it, and I fail to see how 2 sides of the street should be blocked off for the use of 8 households without anything more flexible than a commuter permit. I think we should be looking at whether we can allow neighbors who live on nearby blocks or contiguous blocks, should be allowed to purchase at the whatever going rate is for actual on block residents they permit, for inside the Mpp. Even if they're across the street, they, if they had more places that they could Park, and could also park in the Npp. They might be less anxious to cordon off the rest of the public from their own own streets. So I think that there are a few things that we can be doing about adjusting the way that some parts of the Mps are

[146:13] performing, that that creates negative incentives, and unnecessarily forecloses the use of public property by the general public. Should a Jason blocks need a petition? Well, you know, I have a problem with the petitioning as well. because petitioning is mostly available to people who have a lot of time and a lot of entitlement and feel very comfortable interacting with their city. and it's analogous to a situation where we had a petition process for the Nsmp. And we had a low performing or a a low income neighborhood a a trailer park that did not feel comfortable doing a petition because they felt it was antagonistic to their landlords.

[147:04] so I certainly wouldn't ask additional blocks to petition to be included. I I have a problem with the petitioning process in general. and I don't know. because this happened long before I came to Boulder, but I know that there was a different process; that, to my understanding, is not consistent with the then regulations about limiting the number of resident permits on part of the Pearl Street, the West Pearl and PP. Zone, because there were some denser apartment buildings, and there was a concern raised by the non apartment dwellers that the apartment dwellers would hog all of the parking purpose. So I think that the density or lack of density in the neighborhood should definitely be a consideration when you are determining whether additional blocks need to be added. How will the city determine how non-perment parking should be regulated within new zones. You know you guys are smart people, and I actually don't want to be over prescribing the tools that you use.

[148:09] I think that we've learned a lot from camp to have part time of the year. and, you know, reasonable, free free parking for a reasonable time. But if you're going to stay longer than that. You gotta pay for a little bit. I think that that was a really nice, flexible way, and it was pretty popular. and so I would. I would look to camp actually to figure out how non permit parking gets regulated. The other thing that I have trouble with, and how the Npp. I'm. Just going to keep calling it Mpp: Sorry how how the current permit parking regulation happens is the one time per day problem to my mind, someone coming and parking for 3 h, and then coming and moving their car to another available space, is not really a problem. If there's another available space. In fact, there's the the regulations are assuming that, you know we need to have roughly 40, or at least 20%,

[149:08] a spots available on any given block, and if the person is gonna go to the effort for the sake of free parking, to walk a few blocks, park their car, then come back in 3 h and move it, and they can find another space. And it's it's not such a hassle that they're, you know, looking around for parking, and I don't know that that's happening. They ought to be allowed to park twice. and certain trip generators tend to generate. I'm thinking of schools tend to generate 2 motor vehicle trips a day that are both very short. And yet the one time per day problem means that a parent dropping off a kid at an elementary school and walking them to school might get a ticket if they park, and I don't know, deliver stuff for a school party and stay, for you know, 20 min or half an hour at a different time of day, and they're not really causing a congestion parking problem

[150:01] in a way that that this program was designed to to mitigate. I myself have gotten a ticket for parking twice near my son's school when he was in elementary school, because I came for a an assembly in the morning, and so I I saved for more than 5 min, and I got, you know it was noted, and then I came to pick him up. I think he was sick that day, and then I got a ticket, and it didn't seem like what we were trying to avoid doing so. I think there are a lot of ways that we ought to be a little bit more flexible, and can be more flexible about how we allow to happen. And I think we've we've learned a lot from how the how the city's done it in the past camp has been great. Okay. shiny. Can I be on mute train? I think you're on mute. Sorry, I guess my only question, and it comes with stems of absolutely ignorant. I don't know what the funding that comes out of this program goes to, and if it would be possible, if it's not being allocated this way already, but support neighborhood

[151:16] like individual neighborhood vision 0 projects. No. sorry. My understanding is that the program doesn't even pay for itself. Enforcement is more expensive than the fees that are coming in. But we're we're raising. We're raising the fees, and that maybe getting closer to parity. Wow, okay. yeah, I I don't know. If Samantha, you have anything you you add to that i'm not knowledgeable about where the funding any any. If there is an over, and if there's an overage where that would go. But I do think til is right that I don't think there's no freeze

[152:01] right? Til is right. That was something that was identified back in the revitalizing access and boulder work of 2019 and 2020, and was it, and still is, a priority for ramp. And so we're following a prescribed plan that was set in place to raise the permit, pricing over time to get to cost recovery, and then the future will be looking at. If there are overages Could we offer additional benefits, like a transportation wallet, pilot, or transportation wall. Essentially, so, that's that's in the next phases of ramp that will be coming up in the coming years. But hopefully, that helps answer the question. Thank you. Train anything else from you. Okay, Becky. Anything from you? Yeah, thanks. I

[153:00] echo what Tila said about the petitioning. I generally you know I I feel like it's been all this work has been done to create this data-driven program. And so, you know. Let's use the data, and you know I don't know what the cut off is exactly in that for deciding where to stop looking at adjacent blocks. But I do think this while, you know, we don't necessarily need to abandon petitions all together. I do think they should not be emphasized as a decision making factor for the reasons to you that people some people will have more access to them than others, or more awareness of them, and that is going to align with other forms of privilege. And so just Don't: yeah, would we not want a a big reliance on petitioning as one of the driving decision makers for adding blocks. Yeah, so and yes, that kind of covers my feeling. But that question one.

[154:00] Oh, and and I, you also agree with the telescope. To run. Density of housing, I think, is a great way to be looking at it. Question to similarly, I don't have a strong. I I don't have a lot of depth of knowledge here on on which strategies and I feel like, I trust. those of you who've been spending a long time thinking about it and learning about it to to kind of make it those decisions. Thank you. Okay, I think I think i'm the the last. the last for for now. So I I guess a couple of on the first question. So when you block the van to identify, how is it determined if additional blocks should be added. I suppose I agree with to you, love it even in stronger terms, about not being a huge fan of the the residential program. I know. I know these programs exist in other cities. Boulders not really when it does it, but in general i'm just. I'm just not a huge fan.

[155:07] a socializing car storage on public property. I think it's generally not consistent with our most shift Goals not consistent with our vehicle. Miles travel production goals. It's not just a climate action. I think it tends to unnecessarily use public resources for things that private markets can respond to. But we're used to it because we've we've got these, these these neighbor to permit programs in place to people to be back so to the extent we need to do them. I would. I guess I would. My preference would be to say. Stop, stop further action on them until we we can. We can show how the initiative will. Well, we'll on that. Reduce the empty, and and increase mode to other modes.

[156:00] And I suppose one one prong of that might just be the the pricing, and i'm not sure to what extent that's for this discussion. But I the the the some of what I know of of of of Donald Trump's on this on this topic is that there's a a it's considered to be a best practice of using, using for a parking money money from parking in the in the the area that the parking revenue is generated to find local facilities and multimodal assets activities. So I suppose I would just I would encourage that that kind of thinking as much as possible is is done with, you know. Let's let's let's not give away things that people will. You know they they don't really need socialized, and let's use our public resources to generate as much funding as we can to

[157:01] best in those those local local blocks and neighborhoods for the model facilities. So I probably that's a little broader than maybe even outside of what you're directly asking and I Yeah, I guess I just don't have. I don't have much more specificity for question 2. How will city determine how nonprofit parking should be regulated with the new zones? I yeah, I don't know how much the more concept. I would just hope that in general we are are looking at this program in terms of how it will contribute to those goals, and are able to describe through the through, whatever the answers are to this, how that happens, and if it doesn't happen, then I think we're gonna have to. I I don't know we have it with them. We have a disconnect. So that's it for me. Any anything else from 10 members?

[158:03] Brian, real quick just to respond to your first point, which I can, I totally agree with about sort of encouraging unnecessary vehicle use and storage on our streets, just to be clarified, though, that this program is already here, and they're asking us how to tweak it. And I have even more problems with giving preferential, low pricing to people who live in basically desirable areas because they're near activity generators and important parts of the city for cheap storage of their own vehicles and those of people in their household, but not to other neighbors, and not to a variety of people who come to do legitimate business in the neighborhood, so to the extent that I'm. Asked how how to prioritize, who gets to pay? What for for storing the vehicle. Assuming that the storage of the vehicle is a given. I really object to the way that this is structured and designed.

[159:01] Thanks deal. Okay, Anything else from Tab Looks like that. User maybe a note. Bill Samantha. I hope that was helpful. Not too dower. Anything else we can do for you at this point. No, that was fantastic feedback, thank you so much, and we look forward to coming back. and hopefully, our our recommendations will meet your expectations. Nice to see you, Bill. looking forward to you as well. Okay, okay, I think we're on to the next item, which, if I have my nest in order here, is reaching on citywide departmental, racial equity work and Ryan before, and Veronica. Before we get to this item we have a special guest item from Council Member spear out of respect for her time. Tonight she did have a quick announcement that she wanted to make, and so she'll go next, followed by

[160:09] the racial equity presentation that's totally fine. I'm also with you for the long haul, so i'm gonna write it out with you. But, anyway, thank you. I just came out of the Dr. Cog sub regional forum this morning, and well this afternoon Staff had recommended maybe fun to give you all an update on on where we're at coming out of that. So just as a reminder for anybody listening that doesn't remember that about the Dr. Cog Separational Forum. This is made up of a Dr. Cog, director from Boulder County, and from each city that is within Boulder County. At the meeting we were working on approving the recommendations for the tip projects that I know you all heard about meeting or 2 back, but one of my injected some last minute excitement into the meeting. They had just identified alternative funding for one of their really high scoring projects

[161:04] that was recommended to us for funding to design that lanes along highway 119, and so at the last minute they generously offered to give up about 1.4 million dollars in funding that we were about to recommend for that project. So, thanks to quick thinking by our Staff, Garrett, Slater and Jane Samson, and then Alex Hydrite in the county are a highly scored but not fully funded, fulsome, straight, multi modal study got an extra $400,000 of that funding. So the sub regional forum opted to recommend that project for just about full funding. and then just a couple of other things that you all may be interested in hearing about. They came out of the recommendations today. The other 1 million dollars went to a super flex demand response transit service. That's going to help out some of the areas in Southeast Boulder County that Haven't really received much in this tip cycle. And then our Thirtieth Street Multimodal improvements project, you'll probably remember, was recommended for funding for designing construction from Aurora to Colorado, and for design from a Baseline to Aurora, and then some of the other projects that

[162:14] it seemed especially relevant to Boulder that we're recommending. There's a feasibility study moving forward for a Lafayette Lewis so boulder bike way, just really exciting. There is a South Boulder Road bus. Rapid transit study from Lafayette kind of near the Wow Museum. If folks know where that is. to table Mesa and Broadway. And then there's going to be a countywide strategic transit transit plan to help us think more holistically about our regional transit goals training. I think you'll be really excited about this one, especially a Boulder County vision. 0 safe routes to school action plan. That's going to help us come up with some goals and strategies for improving kids safety when they're walking and biking to and from school. and then a little bit of money for the highway. Well, a little bit. It's like 3 million dollars for the highway 119 bikeway from the Nywat Buster up a transistation to Airport Road, and then we also approved a wait list of projects that will be funded if and when some of those other funds become available

[163:14] due to other projects, changing their funding needs or being delayed, or anything. And then, because our applications scored so highly, our projects are actually one and 2 on the waiting list. So if more funds become available, we will get first Debs for the remaining money for the Thirtieth Street Multimodal improvements in the Colorado Avenue project. So next steps are that the Dr. Cog Advisory group is going to look these over in April, and then the list of of recommended projects will come to Dr. Cog and August for final approval. So it's moving. moving along relatively quickly for the transportation world, it seems. Thank you, Council members here. That was great. That's great news, and a lot of really

[164:04] Did I see Hand, Becky, did you have a hand? And yeah, I was a miss this click. But thank you for the the update. It's great to be here. Yeah, you're welcome. Yeah. With that fresh off the presses. Thank you. Yeah, it's nice to see you all tonight. Thanks for letting me chime in. Right. Okay, Shall we move on, then, to the Racial Equity plan update? I believe Natalie had to step away for a minute. Nope. She's back. Thank you. Thanks for taking the rains there, Valerie. Yes, so I am going to provide a kind of brief update, but just to give Tab an update on the work that our department in the city has been doing on racial equity over the last really couple of years, and you certainly hear about it kind of project by project that I wanted to give a just opportunity for you to hear kind of more holistically.

[165:14] and the bigger picture around the work that we're doing. So With that, you know, i'll just dive right in. This is some some of these are kind of screen grabs from the racial equity plan. And many folks kind of ask this first question around the city's. Racial equity. Work around. Why lead with racial equity. And you can see here. you know, race is often the greatest predictor of access to success in our current system. The creation and per perpetuation of racial and equ to us is embedded into government at all levels. Initially focusing on racial equity provides the opportunity to introduce a framework tools and resources that can also be applied to other marginalized groups based on gender, sexual orientation, ability, class and age, among others.

[166:01] next slide. So you probably have all seen this graphic. I feel like it's used a lot in kind of the transportation and equity space. So just to highlight here for equity, we're really focused on giving, giving everybody what they need to help them be successful and meet them where they are. In this case you can see it shows that you give everybody a different kind of bike, so that everyone can enjoy a bike ride. And so that's really kind of the next slide, please, as as you look at the racial equity plan for the city that kind of tease up that the work that we're that we're doing. And so with that on in December of 2,019 city council adopted a resolution which recognizes historic and institutional race based in equity, and firms the city's commitment to address racial injustice. Since that time, in 2,019, the city has adopted the racial equity plan. That was in February 2021

[167:03] which provides guidance for how the city can understand the rule. Systemic and institutional racism has played in perpetuating current racial inequities. The plan also provides guidance for how city staff and departments can build awareness, address, and equity and support, inclusion and diversity and programs, policies and decision making as such, the transportation mobility department has been reevaluating current practices for opportunities to advance racial equity. Work next slide, please. So the Racial Equity Plan has 5 goals and associated strategies that guide the work for the city and the departments. These 5 goals are. Everybody gets it justly. Do it. Community commitment power to all people and representation matters Next slide, please. So i'm gonna quickly. Just dive into some of the work that the Department is doing in each of these school areas. This for school. i'm not going to kind of i'm not going to read the whole goal. But i'll just speak to some of the work that we're doing in this area. We've been really focused on training staff

[168:07] beyond just required training the bias and microaggression training. Many of our staff are also taking the dancing, racial equity, the role in government course, and then also the racial equity, instrument, introduction, and best practices. and that's really geared towards folks that are going to be implementing that in the work that they're doing, and you often hear from our staff about the ways that they're implementing the racial equity instrument into projects, for example, with snow and ice control tonight, or the snow and Ice review program tonight. You heard about how that's been implemented as part of that project and next slide. and then around the second goal. We have done a couple of things really focused on a couple of things around developing a department Jedi team.

[169:00] This was tangible directive of the racial Equity plan was to develop each department to develop a justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion. Jedi Team. The goal of these Jedi teams is to raise awareness of racial equity issues and identify ways to implement the city's racial equity plan and operationalize the work and the departments. The first significant step in the process is to perform a departmental assessment which will be starting this year, which includes a gap, analysis and a plan to understand what the Department is already doing, to address racial equity and identify and recommend specific strategies for implementation and the coming years guid guidance provided to the Jedi teams really stresses the importance of starting equity work now, and not waiting for a fully developed work, plan or recommendation to begin. Rather departments are encouraged to start small and apply jedi concepts concurrently with more formal planning and integration. In addition to that or more on the Jedi work, we've developed a team with our utility, our colleagues and utilities, and our business services division.

[170:09] and they we started that work back in 2,022 in the latter half of 2,022, and then, as I mentioned. We'll begin the departmental assessment this year. The team is also taken on initial actions of tracking and promoting and staff participation in the city trainings that I mentioned. and then other areas flagged for evaluation as part of the assessment of recruiting and hiring practices and cip considerations. and then other work in the school area includes adjusting delivery methods and addressing language access issues to reach a broader, more diverse audience through our ongoing engagement activities. And then, just finally, again. The racial equity, instrument and rapid assessment tool has really been a key piece of the school area and that we're doing in the work in the various projects and programs that we're doing

[171:01] can has been a really good example of where this work has been integrated into next slide, please. This third goal is around community commitment. The organization as a whole is really focused on this school. We have a work effort city wide around procurement practices, so more to come on that work next slide for goal, for we continue the practice of engaging with our community connectors. The transportation and mobility department has really kind of been a leading department in this work over the last many years since we develop our community connectors program. So you often hear about how we're engaging with our community connectors and the work that we're doing. and then also using micro engagements, which is, which is really just engaging with folks in smaller groups and meeting them where they are to practice more just, equitable, and inclusive engagement

[172:01] next slide. and then finally in 2,022 around goal 5 representation matters the Department participated in the City Management Manager's office series of workshops around Healthy and productive Meeting Atmospheres for Boards and commissions. and we're continuing to work with Cmo around how we implement that work and next slide. So for next steps we'll continue the a lot of the work that I mentioned. Here we have some specific items kind of lead out for us in 2,023 around the departmental assessment beginning to plan for the development of the department. Social equity plan. Each department will develop their own rich racial equity plan, and then, continuing to apply all the tools and instruments and working with our community connectors program around all the various projects and programs that we're doing. and we'll come back and keep you informed about just what we're what we're doing in the realm of racial equity as a department as a whole

[173:09] next slide. That's all I have. Thank you. Happy to take any questions. No, thanks very much. Yeah. Why, don't we? Why don't we see if there's any questions from tab colleagues? I have a question. I just want to thank Natalie for all the work that she did on this, and and just to stress how important this is moving forward, you know, as a community and just that's all I have to say. Thank you. Thanks, Jenny. Thanks. Yeah. thanks, Ryan, Natalie. When would the boards expect to be receiving some of this trading? That is a great question, and I know I got an update about that. I think via email in the last week or so, so i'll have to go back and look at that. But I do recall that they were working on making an additional training available, and

[174:13] and I think they came to some because you guys filled out a survey around, or maybe I filled out the survey your bath around that additional training. So that is, that is coming, and I will share that in kind of our next standing agenda meeting, so that you guys get that information. Thanks, Tila. Thank you. Anything from you. No questions. I appreciate it. Seeing this work kind of show up at throughout projects that have come before Tab, including that, including the visions your action plan today. So yeah, it's really great to see that permeating throughout all the the work that's being done. So thanks, yeah, Our I mean, I think our like really kudos to the department staff. Everyone I feel like, has just kind of welcomed it with open arms, and really understand just how important it is and how it really

[175:17] helps us do a better job to serve our community. So yeah, it's really great to see just the reception great. Now, I i'll offer it. I'm not sure. If this is, I think this is a question I'm. First of all, thanks. This is i'm glad to see the the on this and your dedication and your teams a dedication. One thing I I've noticed along the way is there's there's a lot of community interest in supporting the work, and being a being a part of just in an advocacy of of transportation projects to to being thoughtful about the racial equity aspects. And it sort of leads me to a question of. Does this go to a place in which

[176:06] advocates the and community members can be a part of the I guess the advocacy, or or or part of through their advocacy be supportive of the the things that the department, or I guess the city decides it. It's trying to do. Or is it is this more of an internal sort of an exercise. And so there's not so much of an obvious way to say to the community, hey? If you're interested in. or I suppose. Here, here's how you you know when when weighing in or coming to talk to us here. Here's how to I don't know. Be supportive. I'm not sure if it's a very particular, it's definitely not a particular question. But i'm just noticing like looking through the milestones and wondering if there's a point where we get to, You know here, hey, community who you know Here, here's Here's some tools that you can expect to use, or how how we will

[177:04] evaluate projects, and you them. So that you know about this. Does that seem like something that that's on the horizon or or not? Yeah, I mean. And my colleagues may have ideas. In fact, I see, and I don't mean to call anyone I'm. There are folks on the call that are participating in this work and have significant just roles in the work that we're doing as a department so feel free to chime in. And and I would say, you know, some of it definitely is kind of inward facing. But you know, as I mentioned, like a lot of the work that we're doing around community engagement is really focused on engaging with folks that are typically under represented or underserved. And so I think, just like helping us lift up those opportunities. I right when we're doing. you know, engagement activities with our community connectors. or

[178:00] even if it's from like a technical analysis space around the racial equity index that you saw. You know that showed up in the bins, visions or action plan, I think, just being able to support that work is valuable. And hopefully, that kind of answers your question, and if others have anything to add, feel free. Thank you. Okay. Great? Well, thank you. Natalie and Team for this. Anything else or anybody That's all we had under matters from stuff. Okay, Very good. Let's move on, then, to matters from the board. I have one item north. I'll ask for a short update on North Broadway. But why don't we see if any tila, Becky or Trainee? Do you have anything whatever besides that I was? I was just noting that we'd gotten several, you know, emails. And in addition to the public comment tonight about North Broadway. So I was also going to inquire if there was

[179:06] any any movement, or when we should expect more detailed whatever to go ahead. And that's that's what was on my agenda as well. Okay, great. Then maybe, Natalie, I'll just say we're a quick word, which is just that we on Broadway, the last meeting and and talking to some depth about it. There was a hotline email from an area city manager on 20 fourth. They had some direction. And then there's been a bit quite a bit of correspondence to the Tab email address from the community, and I think otherwise. being a pretty pretty good amount of things today. So yeah, if you'd now be willing to just sort of provide an update on. Where you know. Where are we? Where are we headed with North Broadway? Yes, yeah, thanks, Ryan. So I can kind of provide for those that may not have seen the hotline that Nuria shared back. It was couple of weeks ago, February 20 fourth.

[180:06] So we had shared at that. That was just, I think, pretty close following the February tab meeting, and we had talked about that we would follow up with some ways to just address things that weren't, you know, hugely capital intensive. But to try to improve the situation on North Broadway, so some of the things we had identified were completing the final striping of the bike facility that to clearly demarcate the on street, parking spaces, space from the bike facility. So we completed that striping since her update, I think, since the hotline update, we also identified that we would explore prohibiting overnight parking through basically snow and I season. And since then we have implemented that. I believe the team went out and signed that about a week ago.

[181:03] and then we are also just given our colleagues in the community vitality and parking enforcement a heads up that this area means additional attention around making sure that people are following code around the distance that they're parking from the curb. So we're hopefully seeing stepped up in parking enforcement out there. And then we also we're planning to post additional signage to and develop signage to educate drivers that it's a shared space. and the team quickly worked on that and developed some signage that I believe is going to be installed this week, and that really is focused on educating the drivers that they need to part part closer, closer to the curve and to expect cyclists traveling down by plane. And so those were kind of the main areas that we had identified. And that's kind of the pro progress update on those things that we were able to kind of do in in in the immediate term.

[182:06] And then you know the as far as you know, the comments that you've heard from the community, and I've had some conversations just back and forth with Becky around. You know what's possible around removing, parking on North Broadway. and I kind of shared some of the history around that, and I had some conversations with the city attorney's office around the preferred kind of path around that just given past community engagement in the adopted subcommittee plan for the area. and so really kind of Staff's recommendation was that if that was something, if parking removal was something that wanted to be pursued, that that really would be something for planning boarding Council to consider as part of the an amendment to the North Boulder Subcommittee plan.

[183:00] So that's kind of all the updates that I have just over the last couple of weeks the work that staff has been doing. and i'll turn it over to you now. Thank you. Tab. Colleagues wanna ask or anything regarding parking and trucks. Do you have any limitations that would prohibit trucks parking there? I'm not aware of anything beyond, just as far as like where they're parking. And I don't know that there's a specific type of vehicle that we can allow or disallow that I might look to Devon if he has any knowledge of that. there are currently no restrictions on trucks.

[184:02] Is that something that's even so? The I think the code, I think, would apply in terms of, If a truck is so large that it cannot fit in the parking line, it could be cited if it's parked there. But there's no other restrictions in place. Thanks. Thank you. I just have one. Follow up, then, Natalie, thank you for all that, and I think I heard you say the matter of of considering, removing parking is out of the Department's hands. It would be up to council. You, said Council Slash planning were, but I think it's really Council. Okay, so it's a combination of them. Do you need anything from tab to endorse you? You you the Department nudging the Council to look at that, or what? What? What would the the considerations be with?

[185:02] I guess it's a helping Council understand their options with respect to that. So I I mean i'm not sure. I guess i'll have to go back and think about that of kind of what the the path would be for Council to ask us to do that. Yeah, I'll. I'd have to go back and think about that. But I guess i'm just thinking. I'm just trying to think this through. We have. If we have a a significant number of share, a number of community members who are telling council, they'd like to change. And councils asking the department okay like what's what's what's possible. Practical here. And if you know, as long as they understand that they could make a spot change to the. to the the sub-community plan.

[186:00] and they could just do that, and that would unlock some of the potential here that seem like a pretty important part of the puzzle. I'm: Just: yeah. Well, I should. So I should say, you know, amending the subcommittee plan would essentially become a work plan. Item: right? So it would be something that we would then have to basically prioritize if that was something that Council one just to do. And that's obviously not on the work plan right now, and we would have to move something right like something would have to go. Be on, be on pause so we could free up some capacity to work on that. It also involves P. And Ds staff to help us with a plan amendment like that. So it certainly has repercussions on work plan. and, you know, Would it require a community engagement process around updating the subcommittee plan and it and it goes to planning board before it goes to council, and that that

[187:05] so, even if Council said, we want to do this, they can't just take a red pen to the code and okay, the follow up question. Sorry, Ryan. I have a question on that. We and and yeah, thanks for kind of sorting on this out analy and in terms of process and everything. And what so I guess. I guess. My question is, what dictates the sub-community like what makes this up to you so rigid like, what is the d, what dictates the community engagement process? And this is definitely. It comes back to my question earlier in the evening, which is like prioritization of vision 0 throughout all of the work that the city does, and to me it feels like. So the community plan is a barrier to vision 0. And that's like, really. That's a kind of a tough place to to be in, I think, for for everyone. And so yeah, I guess. I wonder what dictates like needing to do a very extensive process to make change to a subcommittee plan, or if you might be able to explain that to me.

[188:16] I mean I can try. So I mean I think it's all just everything. It comes down to trade off conversations right? And so the precedent around subcommittee plans is that they have an engagement process that allows multiple voices in the community to have a seat in the process and to voice their right desires for any particular area. I mean, I'm. Not a. P. And Ds planner, so I can't really speak to the exact steps of the subcommittee plan amendment, but it's certainly like a a public process, so that you're hearing from various stakeholders. And if we vision 0 right is one goal

[189:03] as a part of the overall goals of the city, and potentially another stakeholder would have a different goal. That might be at odds with that around. Having on street parking available for their businesses. And that's where there is an opportunity for public process to kind of make a decision about the future of that space, and that would be Why, it would be important for Council to be a part of that right, and be be guiding that process. Yeah, I think so. What i'm here is maybe like, but there isn't necessarily like an an ordinance there isn't a rule that certain community there isn't like a certain, or or maybe there, maybe maybe planning to say, oh, no, we do have to buy ordinance. We have to engage in this way before we could change this section of parking

[190:03] because it's part of a subcommittee plan. Okay, thanks. Yeah. Cause I'm: i'm interested. I mean for this particular section, because I do. I just I feel like somebody. It's just like it's such a high risk situation. And but also I I I guess i'm i'm also interested because i'm worried about this as like a precedent, for, like a as as a barrier to, for instance, our vision at 0 vision, 0 action plan succeeding if, like sub community plans superseded feels almost impossible to get to vision 0, you know, if they're just these conflicting things, and one of them is, you know, clearly supersedes, and it doesn't support being 0. So i'm sure there's much bigger conversations that go into thinking holistically like that across.

[191:08] as as you mentioned, across like departments across the whole government. But you know what any. if we can. If there's an opportunity to use this example as a way to think about or preempt that in future. I mean, I think you've identified like a really important like. We have been having a conversation as an organization about this. Of why there's a need to you know. Kind of do that like city-wide strategic planning what your the goals of this You know the entire city are, and then how that informs and trickles down into the work across departments. And where do master plans and some community plans and all of that live in the order of things? And I don't know that we have an answer, but I think you're raising a point that you know is why it makes it kind of difficult for us to be able to just

[192:05] kind of have like to not have to have the trade off conversations, I guess. or you have to have them every single at every single little thing that you do. Thanks. Yeah. You helping us understand? Helping me understand that. And well, yeah, I'd love to keep kind of pursuing this line, I' to figure out you know what here, what planning says, and no, i'm just my concern being just that it could be a very long time until otherwise this road changes, and that it's on it's. It's on the high risk network. It's on the it's on kind of all the I guess all the data points towards it need to be a safer space, and I just don't want to kind of miss the opportunity to make at least some change in the short term, so I guess if I can chime in, I guess I

[193:03] I would assume that it has to do with the business owners wanting parking available in front of their businesses. However, that particular area has so much parking available. I mean there is allocated parking in the back on the side streets. I mean, there really is potential for additional parking. It doesn't have to be right in front of the business. I I go there a lot, both as a cyclist and as a customer. My dentist is there, and I almost never park in front of this. You know business. I go to the back. It's there's plenty of parking. But you know hopefully, that'll that'll be something positive in the conversation moving forward when guarding, parking. and I just wanted to add to suggestions that seem to be pretty easy and not very expensive from our friends at community cycles. They're suggesting strategically placed, flexible delineators. I don't know how complicated that would be at the moment.

[194:10] But it seems like a pretty fair ask. and also to paint, to separate the traveling with the edge of the vertical separation. So there's a visual, I suppose. That is very clear. So just adding a little paint. and this is in the meantime, while there's like a long-term solution. Yeah, we did add paint on the basically the outside part of the bike lane where the mount will curb. Okay. So there is that like basically the kind of the bike lane now is demarcated with stripes on both sides. And then the the delineators is something that we have talked about. I think we would need to go back and kind of take a closer look at where that would kind of make sense from a stamp. The standpoint of

[195:10] you know, people kind of coming and going. because I think I would add such a like an added well, a a layer of of feeling of safety to people that are traveling. They're currently a cyclist. I think that it's a little buffer, you know, which is unfortunately, what we could AIM for at the moment right. But and but yeah. obviously they have to be strategically placed. I'm: i'm looking at the clock here, i'm. I'm hoping to to get us out on time. I have maybe just 1 one final thought on this, but I is it in the inbial seem to weigh in, or wish to weigh in on this before we okay now, like thanks, thanks for everything. I just one thought as I'm. Following the conversation. I'm

[196:00] i'm feeling unsure on. Who has the decision here, because I had this idea that Council that these processes ultimately are things count well if they. if they're accountable to city code, in many cases council could make the political or the values decision to just say. we're gonna we're just gonna do this we're gonna we're gonna change a 25 year old plan that's been sitting there to just get rid of some parking service of our modern. You know a multitude of modern objectives. and that the the the way that we do public engagement, their norms, but it's I mean it's not their their norms that, but that are subservient to the wider wider mandate coming from Councils direction. But I I could be wrong, and and maybe there is something that's more codified or a legal reason that, withstanding the way. But but either way I i'm guessing a lot about people. I have this question, too, and this may or not, you know, fall within the transportation department, so

[197:05] to, I guess, to ultimately make the decision on. So I and I think a lot of other people would probably be very interested to sort of figure this out like Who who actually owns the decision on whether we can change the Yeah. Yeah, the subcommittee plan or not. So I hate to. I don't need to. So you have to figure it out, because this might be a big task. But just just to point out that I feel like you're on here actually has to do. Okay. Yeah, I can help clarify that and follow up. Right? Yeah. Okay. Ryan, I just say something. So this is my last official meeting. So my cycle ends and I've applied again so hopefully. I get to see you guys in April. But if I don't it's been a pleasure. And thank you so much. I've learned a ton. and you know, and good luck. Please keep us safe.

[198:00] Thank you. Can I tell you we we had the agenda meeting. We did. Nobody followed up with you in this, but there was a question of Should we do something special for you? And the answer was we? We're going to haul you back in here. If we have to to do that so well it will. This is this is not good by you. We're gonna. We'll have you back here 1 one way or another, very, very soon, if not the next meeting. Hope i'm here next month. Good. Okay. So I think that does it for matters from the board. Let's okay, great. And then we have, I think, one more item. I'm gonna find my sheet here future agenda topics, Natalie I'm. Really I don't I don't have in front of me a a list or draft list to. Is that is that my job. Or are you doing a break? We had a draft list, I just i'm just not seeing it in front of me. so our practice is to just drop them into the agenda under future agenda topics. What we have tentatively plan so for April there's the camp pilot evaluation.

[199:11] Sorry is this or other people seeing this? Or is it just me? What are you looking at? There are a couple of versions of the agenda? I've got them both in front of me, and one has them. I I don't know which one was the update, but well, I assume the one I do know which one is the update, but that one, the updated one has the list. But if you don't have that right, you might not see it. Got it. Okay, yeah. So i'm reading. I guess the one from the updated one. And then we have the Dcs Section 2.0, 3 will be coming. And actually. hey. yeah, either April or May. and then we have tap you back on a can update that will probably be more like June, and then our E. Bike, Rebate pilot.

[200:07] We'll be sharing out some information on that in the May June timeframe as well. Great any anybody want to add or discuss? No. okay. I don't have anything. Natalie, do you need anything else for us? Or no? I think we're good. Thank you. I moved to a journey. Okay, do I have a second? Okay, All in favor. It okay. me is a dream.