August 9, 2022 — Transportation Advisory Board Retreat

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[2:01] i'm i'm hearing you've gotten some great support from councilmember sphere in between it's just sounds like you've stayed really engaged that call, so thank you so much for that. And I what I wanted in thought we would do hopefully you all got the agenda is just do a check in I would love to hear how the last few meetings have gone and. How your work together, seems to be going I know you've had successful can presentation and start there with what's working and if there's anything that you want to make adjustments of. And then, and then since natalie's able to join us just for this first part, I just wanted a quick reminder of. The staff work plan and priorities that were presented Council, and so we can hear that. And remember that that's the work in the action and then we're going to go through, and really focus this meeting on what you all bring to the table in terms of your individual priorities. But you've had a good opportunity to share those with each other so it's just it's an opportunity to hear about that, what are your passions and what are your priorities that you bring and and then see if we can find a collective voice around priorities of those things that sound good.

[3:17] And I know I sent an email and I didn't hear back, but it wasn't till this morning, but is there anything that you have that you want to make sure we talk about today that I didn't mention. Okay fantastic you certainly can interrupt me at any time but that's great so talk to me about. How things seem like what's working, how are your meetings going have you noticed any positive change, since our last retreat, those of you who are new how's it feeling. To us, only one a little bit off the hook here, because I know she hasn't been there for the last couple right right, you were last night, though, but just one okay.

[4:09] Well, they definitely running shorter Alex. I don't know. Maybe it's the Chamber membership but they're they're running short with anything goes laughing the maintenance. no fun for anyone. And I was wondering. Last night, and still not here with their why some things. Are information items only versus having a presentation and then you know expected tab discussion, and so I expect we'll get to this later on, but just in general, want to make sure that we are. interfacing with the right parts of staff and not just silent introduction to the same you know, a couple of slides in boxes. Just to make sure that you know some of the expertise attached and brings the other areas of thinking is actually happening is. Something instead of waiting to develop it's hard to keep switching directors.

[5:05] So it's okay to change every time. yeah so what so in a nutshell, and that is what's going to be my second question is what are some things that you want us to keep on the radar and still have want to see about improvement i'm trying to there's something fuzzy when you speak is that true for others. Oh yeah. Okay, I will dial in with a different thing it's okay. But I could yeah I can fix the audio after this but, in a nutshell. yeah just so I capture it. yeah want to make sure that I have is able to advise counsel and that other than the usual suspects. Okay, thank you, that was. Okay. That was very clear, so in terms of what's working what else can what else what feels good about it how's Alex as chair, how are the meetings, because shorter meetings as long as it doesn't feel like you're cutting something important off that sounds amazing and great to me.

[6:09] thing make can reality, we had to reallocate resources from a bunch of smaller efforts, and so I think it's possible that in the coming years, with a focus on can there will be fewer items that are coming they'll be the grander and scale and then an importance and an impact, so please. hey three meeting three hour long meetings are here to stay. yeah awesome Thank you Alex. Anybody asks how do you all feel about. your ability to engage and ask questions Ryan. Do you mind if we stick on that question. No, it just it started as a procedural point I recall the last time we did this has happened, a couple of times, where we were on a question and then we, I think we move forward without giving people a chance. Fast I know there's I know there's folks who were probably just thinking about things, so if you don't mind if we stick on this question and make sure that the other Members have a minute and I have something to but does anybody else want to go first on what's working or.

[7:05] Right. I will also agree at I think there's and certainly names are shorter, I think I think there's been. Not just shorter but also crisper kind of more kind of like I don't know constructive just I guess kind of like this, my work oriented perhaps and then maybe I used to. In the first half of my tab tenure, I think one reason seems to be that we have some more strategic focus with can and. I think there's probably a lesson there for other things that we could do in terms of understanding what's what's the framework, we all agree we're working towards, and we can organize the feedback we get around the thing that we all understand is important. I think that is. that's its lucky we have it, is the fact of work part of luck, is, I think we have a you know we have a Council now that is probably more interested in this kind of this kind of initiative.

[8:05] Speaking of Council having councilmember spirit these meetings, I think, is really, really great I don't know how the quality make time for everything but. You are one of our you know your your body is what is our in my mind one of two key clients of ours and having you there gives us somebody to talk to, and not speaking hypotheticals and have a chance to you know at least I know you're not the whole counsel, but to have you as a liaison. I think it's been incredibly important, and having you give us feedback and shoot emails to us here and there, I just think it's just made the whole experience a lot richer, probably for everyone so um I think those things are working pretty well. yeah i'll leave it at that. that's great Thank you. What else is working well and and and, as I was saying, you can think about how how Members are all engaging. Your connection with counsel and staff, I think, Brian you just gave a great example of the help that it's been to have councilmember spirit meetings.

[9:09] I anything else yeah. Well i'd like to add, I love having the opportunity to see all the projects in person, so the tour was really beneficial and I got to really get to know some of the other Members a little bit better. So I really enjoyed that and, as far as the meetings I am 100% with with everybody else that has spoken and they're very fluid and very informative and I feel most of time I feel very, very prepared to to you know just be part of the meeting and engage so. Thank you. Great thanks me. i'm happy to offer just some of what i've seen at that helpful for books and I don't want to take over the meeting.

[10:00] Know it'd be great to hear. I think you know what what i'm observing is some similar things to what other folks are talking have been talking about. i'm just a little more alignment a little more goal orientation and coming at questions I think one of the things i've noticed is when. Staff presents questions for the more just like I noticed they do this for Council to it helps us, but it really seems like it's helping to kind of focus the discussion and get people. To really go back and forth ideas and in a way that I see being pretty powerful, it seems like you all are kind of jelling as well, the five of you on. kind of community Members on tab as well as what staff and it's really nice to see that kind of people coming together challenging each other right sure because we're we're a team. that's what we do, but i'm really working together nicely, and it does just feel like there's. they're starting to emerge more of a strategic focus, which I, I personally, as a Council member really appreciate having that level of thinking, because if the level of thinking on transportation I would love to do more.

[11:03] And having you know you all, be able to supplement what we can do with that I think is good and I just find you all to be an incredibly joyful and wonderful group of people to spend time with, and thank you also for giving me some time. For one on one meetings to because it's been a pleasure to get to know you. A little bit more just hear a little more about your backgrounds and things like that, and just your ideas your grand plans for how we can do things differently in the city, is this really fine and you're really creative bunch of people. Solid Thank you. anyone else. i'm happy to contribute here I you know, want to be mindful that it's tabs retreat, so I don't want to talk too much. But I I think we're also a staff trying to approach our meetings like more strategically and really thinking super intentionally about you know what it is we're bringing and being clear about the purpose and clear about.

[12:07] Where we see taps role is and how we can use you for feedback and advice, and so I think we're trying to just spend like you know it's hard, because every day is very busy and there's a lot going on and so. But we're really trying to make time for this and think about it and prepare for each meeting that we're going into so and I think we're staff is feeling like we're seeing the benefit from that as well. Can I ask board members are you noticing, that is, that is, it helpful and useful the preparation that staff is trying to to bring. i've noticed is super increased well, maybe I shouldn't maybe I think about this more but i've been very pleased with quality presentation and new staff and just just the last six months.

[13:01] Valerie and Nathan, just to start with two relatively newer folks I just i've been really impressed with with them and natalie I think you know you've brought some. Some new energy different energy structure the meetings that at all kind of work together so on i've really enjoyed working with staff, and I think that's half of the equation here, so I don't have any specific and I didn't really think about examples, but um yeah leave it at that. that's great thanks. So let me, let me shift the question just to other things that you'd like to still see more of. That you think could make things even better because i'm really happy to hear things are going in the right direction that that you've had some positive shift and efforts have been notice. And so, one of the things Tila brought up was just making sure that we're able to advise and connect with staff and others that. That are the I think the right people to be interfacing with the race if i'm paraphrasing correctly, not the usual suspects, I think, is the way that she worded it yeah.

[14:13] Any anything else there. Okay, all right, I don't want to keep it just on this point i've been close to this with with feel and Alex and seminars, I think, and also is one of our sort of keep talking about climate that. involves if we do the rigorous science based approach to transportation climate action it involves land use planning and and also parking it involves other departments, we are you know sort of by by our Commission whatever working with the transportation department directly. That is. impart an artifact of how transportation used to be sort of understood. Before we care about climate among these other things, and so I think there's there's sort of this ongoing. rub that is a what you would expect any organization, where you have departments that don't have the people who are.

[15:08] Have accountability and leadership for the things that people who are trying to manage things care about, and so I think know the example that I heard in phila in my own imagination, just now, was was yesterday. You know, with us at meeting asking about are involved with with amps that's the parking related work and. We had asked we, how do we kind of weigh in at this at a more holistic or a higher level, and the answer was well as a Community Member you're welcome to you know come talk to us and so. Now I don't I don't think it's it's a function of any one person or shortcoming of any sort of like narrow thing it's rather we have an organizational structure. In the enterprise of city in which land use planning Community vitality mother departments have a really critical impact on the activities of transportation and we as cab own with current org structure, have a way to kind of feed into that yet that's that's my.

[16:22] yeah and i'll just say right, and I think this is the transportation advisory board isn't alone in in filling That way, there are other boards in the organization, I think that are also. wrestling with this issue of how do we and and we as city staff, and I know city manager's office we're thinking about like how. How do we effectively engaged. Multiple boards across different topic areas. kind of into the future and that live across those various departments like you said i'd add climate initiatives to that list right and so.

[17:05] yeah I think we're trying to figure that out, and there will be to be more conversation, but I just wanted to acknowledge that that certainly not you aren't alone and also staff is thinking about it. A call. yeah it's just going to echo this is something that i've heard as well from the city manager's office just really thinking about how you know how are we organizing how are we making decisions across different departments in ways that are less island. and also the other The other thing that I was just going to note in terms of things that could still be worked on. Is around just kind of strategic direction from Council even because I feel like it's our responsibility right to sort of work with you all and make sure that you know. When you're giving input when you're not giving input and why right, what are the different kind of criteria for making these decisions. And I will be honest, I do not know how this kind of how this kind of thing comes about in.

[18:03] The city and within Council board relationships, but it does feel like it's really critical for me. So that everybody, not just for this Council and this tab that everybody moving forward has that clear understanding of what it is tab is doing, I think it makes it a lot more fun. for everybody involved if you know what our goal is and what it is you're trying to accomplish. So maybe this is something and I will get to a little bit more in the later discussions about things to work on, but I just wanted to name that that work of events just sort of revisiting tabs. charters, the right word, or is it still relevant for where we are in 2022 and what we're trying to do as a city, is it not, should it be improved, that to me feels like some critical strategic work that needs to happen, just to make the experience more productive and fun for everybody. quick question to those of you that that might know the answer, or are there still do that is there ever a joint board activity or discussion where boards cut all the Boards come together, for you know just to sit at tables and learn from each other and that sort of thing yeah.

[19:13] yeah various projects still you know really big leg for the East older stuff Community plan you know, like that's an example where they would have brought together job boards, at a certain point in time. And, and those are like pretty big lifts and so we're trying to think about a staff like what is and and because they're such big lifts you can't do them super regularly and so. we're trying to think of kind of like some type of. You know something morphine from that right that's maybe not as big of a left, but a way to engage multiple boards. And maybe it's like some you know we've had the greenway advisory committee, but some of you are familiar with, where you pull a couple representatives from three or four different boards across the city and then they meet the green Greens advisory committee only met once a year.

[20:09] And so, then you would engage them for that one thing for like this it's basically around the ci P, is what we would do it around. So that's potentially a model that we could think about. That would engage more often on other topics, but anyway that's just an example of something that we're thinking about, but we certainly are still just in that like brainstorming phase. You. Anything else from you algae think about just continual improvement lots of great stuff on what you see as improvements and connections, what else could get even better. I haven't chimed in a lot, because I feel like I don't have enough track record yet to really make comparisons over time of you know how things.

[21:03] have improved, for instance, or how they are different, the past, but one thing that's helpful to me is. Every anytime it's made clear that, like what kind of the scope of comment is is for tab and again any given instance i'm not always sure. Like what is open to discussion what isn't open to discussion as far as you know, what's already decided and what has been decided. So that's a place, I really struggle is Should I be thinking about this is this already set in stone, in which case it doesn't you know i'm not going to spend my. time preparing to talk about it, or it hasn't and that might be at a different you know various levels of the project, whether it's just. You know what project is going to be done with our part of the discussion last night, but other times it's you know exact features of a project. That we might be giving feedback on and so yeah it does anytime I get direction around this sort of. scope of the kind of feedback tab should be prepared to give that's really helpful for me, especially since i'm still kind of figuring out the different types of items that are brought before the board.

[22:17] that's that's great and in probably. Maybe project specific it sounds like so sometimes it's a report out of here's an update on where we are and sometimes it's. You at different stages and different requests for you all so each time clarity is what i'm hearing becky would be useful and helpful as your sort of learning all of that yeah. Okay. Tila. Thank you. Do you have something you want to add. yeah. We have had a couple of. joint planning board meetings which have been pretty interesting.

[23:03] And those have happened on specific projects at the invitation of Council, which is kind of how it has to go as our as our Charter currently stands so. You know we've asked for many years to have that like input on land use, be more regular and less siloed but in the meantime, having mostly Rachel friend. reach out and say shouldn't we ask tab on this particular thing, but just to have someone on Council like cognizant of, and you know, giving us. On at least a case by case basis, if a wholesale charter change isn't happening and that's been helpful, I think that they've been we've had very interesting meetings and some substantive input. That we wouldn't have been asked for, otherwise, on some of these so i'd like to see that continue i'd like to see you know, overall, to be able to have more. An earlier input on on land use decisions, but you know if it's in the meantime, we have to be invited, case by case, just to have someone always thinking about that.

[24:05] on the Council side to make it happen and would be helpful. Okay. Thank you. So i'm about to move on to just kind of doing a quick before we lose natalie just a quick reminder of the word plan that staff has. But I don't I don't want to cut you off So is there any any last thing that you thought about Alex I don't know if we've heard from you on this one. anybody else. Okay, all right, if you think of something later, please feel free to chat it or let me know and natalie do you mind just just a quick review of what we heard before just that we keep that sort of here.

[25:00] As we have the rest of our discussion thanks. yeah no problem in, and all this will be brief, I think. The kind of purpose I just thought it would be helpful for in we kind of talked about just reminding folks of the work plan that. is set for 2022 and that's as we've kind of presented it to counsel through would we set like our budget priorities and then our work plan going into the retreat. And so, as you all are i'm sure very familiar with the our focuses on maintaining core services, enhancing maintenance and then of course Vision Zero and that, through a variety of projects, this year we have our intersection improvement grants that we're working on and. divisions or action plan and then of course the can work so. Those are our kind of I would say program and project priorities, and then we certainly have our VIP priorities North broadway 30 the Colorado 20th street.

[26:08] And then there's the various work items that kind of come out of our Planning Team that are really where we see. An impact on our climate goals to tpm and transit service and programs and then our regional transit planning efforts and then our active transportation. program areas with like this year micro mobility program So those are kind of at a very high level the things that we're focusing on and, and so I think just keeping that in mind, as you go into your priority conversation and thinking about what you want. You know to be focused on as we close out the rest of the year and then moving into 2023 and helping kind of start the conversation certainly there will be much more conversation but starting the conversation around the Council priorities for 2023 three or letter.

[27:08] That you guys will be working on. Later this year. Okay, thank you any quick questions for natalie before she leaves us. What was the letter I know what that is. The letter. Sure, I can speak to that briefly in the in your dad members certainly can chime in here too. But each year Council asks for a letter in the format kind of changes, each year, I think, and I i'm not going to remember meredith may have a better memory of what last year's format was. But it's usually like what kind of went well this year, what. You know, could have gone better and like what are you excited about for the coming year and or you know it's some variation of that there was like a happy sad thing I think one year.

[28:08] But that's The intention is to kind of like have the Boards share kind of what you want Council to be thinking about for your various area as you go into the next year and, as they go into the retreat. And oh yeah and, of course, Nicole can chime in since she's a Council member. Yes. Thank. You Thank you. I just have one thing for natalie before she goes i'm just kind of a wrap up I get and i'm kind of tracing back to what's working but natalie made me think of it and I just wanted to offer this before you go um. I I think I mean, as I said, like one of the things that I think works well, is this can we have this Egypt focus it's not just that we have a focus, I think, something that is.

[29:05] Creating energy is that that we're doing something that's that's like it's like hard and it's different and it's and it's restructure and it's. it's a it's kind of thing that you know it, first of all it took some I guess you could say exogenous change in a sense, like he wouldn't have just. happened organically it's a sort of thing that required it at least a decision to say we're going to restructure we're in the sense of creating a whole new grid of. variety of ways, and you know, as opposed to incremental and. I think there's a lesson in that when we say we're going to do something, ambitious and big and it's going to be different, I think that inspires people, I think it inspires DAT abbott probably inspiring staff and it. creates something really exciting, and so I would just offer that as we're reflecting here about what what's working and what we want to do going forward.

[30:04] My thought is part of the example the build from saying let's do transformation, because that is the thing that actually creates a lot of energy and excitement. Even though it creates uncertainty. yeah I appreciate that. Thank you. Thanks Ryan. Nicole, did you want to add anything in terms of the letter to Council or any of that are. not supposed to have questions I feel like really you know explained it well, but i'm happy to go in. A little bubble. yeah. It looks like it. There anybody who would like a little word. Thank you, I think today will be a good, and I hope you know a good opportunity sort of foundational Lee toward that letter but right now.

[31:05] not limited to that letter it's really this next part and most of what we're doing with our time today is for you to hear from each other kind of what's your, what is your what are your priorities that you bring and. where's your passion and where's your interest so i'm going to start by asking Nathan, to give us a quick tutorial on jam board if any of you use jam board before yeah so we're going to use it as a way to just capture your priorities and then. And so i'm going to ask you all to give them a placeholder your individual priorities and then we'll go back through and have each of you speak to the priorities that you added so that's going to be the first step, but i'm going to let Nathan explain sort of how that works. yeah it's really straightforward if you can see my screen right now we've we've got a couple of. sticky notes on here that you'll just click on and you're welcome you'll Double Click to come in here and you'll come in here and add your priority i'll be sending you the link to this board here momentarily I have to do it individually, so it might take me a second.

[32:14] there. Are additional sticky notes here on the left side. where you can add a sticky note and then choose the color of it, we have everybody has a different color right now. And then you can move them around if you want to kind of rearrange them I don't think we're saying, these are any priority right Heidi just label them ABC instead of 123 because they're all what you think not necessarily sequential. And please let me know if you have any trouble accessing the link that i'm slowly getting out to each of you right now. Okay, thank you. yeah, so it should immediately give you everybody can drive and so just when you when you get there, everybody just take some time to give give a title to or a placeholder instead of priority a or B or C or D, what is the thing that you would want.

[33:07] For tab for this upcoming. Year to focus on. Are those links working for folks. To be in the chat right. cool yes, I see somebody in here great. Nine works so. i'm behind the behind you would be testing to see if we can manipulate. It just test it, because what i'd like to do now is have everybody just take some time and fill out sticky notes it, you know, and you may you may have one, you may have for you may have more than four but sticky notes of what you want to talk about what you would like, as priorities.

[34:01] And then your link that that Nathan just sent you should be able to do that click on Double Click on a sticky note and then give you the opportunity to put a different title in. I just messed with ryan's. So I love it yeah. Ryan, I think, somebody. stealing your notepad. Okay. Is there anyone who did not hit the link didn't work with the linkedin come through is every member of tab able to access this. sounds kind just for me. It just came to me and it isn't. yep it should be, I can resend. i'm not seeing it but. It should be through your business. That. it's time. For an email to. apologize, I should have clarified.

[35:21] speak up if you're having any issues with I know you need some time to speak about it, too, but if you have issues with being able to fill out your sticky notes, let us know. My issue is, but now I want ice cream. I know we need to get rid of that one. make me hungry too. I should have found some good hold music, for us to listen to.

[36:02] Some elevator jams. Think about that. magnanimous anybody appa by giving you a little bit of Dr cobb context as you're working. it's been really interesting that these last six months or so and i've been on Dr Cox and one of the things that they are and Dr Khan, is that. I forgot what a standard Denver Denver Regional Council of governments they're kind of the organization right that funds, the tip projects and kind of is responsible for allocating a lot of transportation funding. They have been working on a greenhouse gas mitigation plan in response to some recent legislation that was passed and what has been super interesting to me is that in this greenhouse gas mitigation plan for a transportation agency, a lot of what they're talking about is how to.

[37:14] Help communities build housing and just kind of plan a little bit more responsibly in a way that helps out with transportation and one of the things that they're going to be working on over the next four or five years. is developing some technical assistance to help communities get the data they need and. make some other changes that they need to diversify along urban corridors, especially or transportation corridors. So I think that's a place where there, there will be a lot of support for communities in the coming years. Around that but I still I thought, how thing pop up, and I know that's that's an issue that some of you have raced with me personally, so I just wanted to mention I think some of those things aligning with some of those regional efforts may facilitate work in the years ahead.

[38:07] Thank you. And Alex and becky I just want to remind you, if you if you do want to add more since you've used off for those that you can the sticky notes are just over to the side, and you can just pick your color. Once you once you open it. Okay. Anybody need a little more time. I could use a couple more minutes. Okay yeah sorry I had to jump up, we have some family crises going on, I had to. Take a call real quick.

[39:00] Okay yeah no. No worries, we have time. Thank you for doing that mason.

[40:42] So, as people are finishing up i'm i'll just add that we're really shifting a lot of what we've talked about during the retreats is how you do your work with each other and partner with others, and this. The the hearing this positive feedback about it go it's seeming to go better.

[41:04] It always makes me. hopeful, because when we're working together and I thought. Council member spirit describe this really where well this sort of. Work it doesn't mean we don't have hard conversations and it doesn't mean we don't bump into each other or disagree with each other is that we're working in partnership to solve issues or to focus on. projects and initiatives and whatever it is that's coming up, we have so much more opportunity to put our energy into those things rather than. sort of drain of pushing against each other that you know that the difference in working together against the problem versus working against each other so. This now and and the hope of all that is that, then this gets at some of the stuff that you really that you care about that you want to see as priorities. for yourselves, and I think like I said it'll be good, and as natalie said to help inform your letter to counsel later, but it makes the work so much more possible when you have that.

[42:07] That other part that how figured out better so, but we are shifting out to what what it is it that you want to see his priorities, want to focus on want to have Council focus on. let's good stuff here. That extra time Ryan, that you said you could use a little of until it looks like it help to everyone so. Thank you, we got a lot more thoughts and ideas up here. Oh. i'm just gonna move some stuff around to make some more space for these new sticky so don't be alarmed if your sticky note is moving.

[43:30] it's back. So Nathan i'm going to ask you this question because i'm not sure if what i'm thinking of will make sense, but I was gonna I was going to have people as they start to talk about them drop them down into the. box underneath is that going to work or is that we can't really view it all at once.

[44:10] Because we want to be able to read them. I think if we just zoom in a bit on the people who are presenting. or sharing your ideas, then we can drop them down. afterward does that work okay. It does and here's why I mean i'm asking that question for you all, is where you see some redundancy. You know, maybe we can find a way to collapse it into one but, or at least put the sticky notes. On top of each other is kind of a thing, so if if there's any place where there's double but that sounds good. Do you want to do it, then that one person goes through all of theirs, and then we move on to the next i'm asking i'm asking the Members or would you like to have people one, at a time like each person share one of their same go through that way, do you have a preference.

[45:06] i'm going to take that as a no preference, so I would i'll just say, whoever wants to speak first what i'm what i'd like you to do is go through your priorities and share kind of what it is and why. And then we'll give your. board the other board members and and others that are that are on Council member sphere and and maybe Valerie or any staff that have questions also weigh in on any questions they might have for you or thoughts okay. So, think about each person. Has about you know. i'm just looking at the clock. somewhere around eight minutes five date minutes okay. i'm not. Trying to keep track of time.

[46:00] I made a duplicate, but it was a mistake to emphasize just. Okay yeah. i'll delete that one if you're okay with it. yeah thanks. Thanks Nathan. perfect. I want to say it twice. yeah Okay, who wants to go first. Ryan, is that you volunteering that you took your microphone off mute. No i'm just furiously typing somebody else to go. Okay, I, I will just go left to right if you don't speak up and that would mean that Alex would go first so. Jenny. This is gonna like I think this one is a good leeway because yesterday, given what we. What we had at the meeting on this faster access to crash and citation data, I think our work would really.

[47:05] We could focus on certain things in an easier way if we had access to this information, and also, I mean it's important that the public know where these things are happening, and you know what we can do and when we take action, why we're doing certain things in certain places. i'm just going to share one. Okay, but let me ask you, though, and and people might have specific questions for you, but becky is that, in line with your first one, is it the same sort of thing or slightly different. yeah no I think it's the same. You know just having that data publicly accessible and updated frequent intervals. mm hmm so it's public access it's also faster faster and and you said updated more some more current information yeah. yeah faster okay. yeah exactly like nationwide I think it's a cycle of every two or three years, so it shouldn't have to be that way at a local level would be my opinion, especially if we're still active and trying to.

[48:12] really stick to our Vision Zero goals. Anybody have questions about it. or comments about it. Okay. All right, well, I guess that one doesn't need more more explanation. Because when we finished with all of this, what the way that i'm going to ask you all to think about this is i'm going to have give you do like a dot voting, so we can see where the energy. In the room is so as you're listening think about where where would I put my dots if I gave you four or five dots and asked you, you can put them all on one. Or you can spread them out in whatever way you want to I want you to think about where you are because we're trying to see if there's any alignment for you all right so here, here we see one place where there's alignment between 20 and becky.

[49:14] I do, should I bring those two down to. tie them together yeah because I want to it'll be the easiest way for me to be able to keep track of what we've covered in what we haven't if if we're not doing everybody one person does all other things, but yeah let's keep them right right connected to each other okay. Thank you, let me hear from stuff from either Alex Taylor Ryan on something one of yours. start with implementation of the core to real network I think of things in large part, all the grant opportunities that we have before us, but it's certainly not a done deal, so ensuring that it remains a priority. yeah tab will ensure that.

[50:01] The Council and staff are. able to continue pressing forward. Okay, so great one so when I just was in a meeting earlier that was talking about this also this wonderful momentum he had a you had a successful presentation to Council it all seems to be going really well. But you know that that focus can wane, so making sure to keep it as a as a focus, so that it stays. keeps moving forward so right yeah any questions you all have about that. Okay. Tila what's one of yours, so we can drop that one down to, I think. i'm going to drive you crazy and Nathan sorry. yeah I mean we all mentioned can, and I think he says, keep cannon focus I say keep momentum behind it. But the idea generally is a lot of a lot of transportation projects just take a long time to realize, you know the planning for funding.

[51:01] And you know these are as Ryan said hard to kind of big big picture things and so it's going to be hard, not just to kind of sustained public interest in it, but you know we've been through rounds of. You know, a couple of Council members really want to get behind something, and you know if it gets somewhere for two or three years and then they lose interest or they'd drop off Council and the you know the. rug gets yanked out from under that and the difference with can, of course, is that it's this arterial thing we might actually move the Needle, on. Some of our crash and serious injuries and sort of change, how the city feels to drive around and to get around and if you're not in a car, and so I just want to make sure that we don't kind of lose that. sort of incentive to really focus on and stay attentive to that effort over the years it's going to take to realize it. You know even some of the Council members who are really strongly. Behind can add the retreat when when you know when that sort of impetus happened were surprised like well, what are we going to see by December, you know if you want to have something to point to this year.

[52:07] And so just trying to be a explained Council and the public and to keep that sense of urgency and the dedication to that effort, going so that we're not just chasing the next shiny squirrel I think it's going to be what we have to be focusing on not just this year, but you know in our. coming years as well. Can I have a say, I have a suggestion to make about how we're proceeding here. I think a lot of us, you know, with some of these are pretty self explanatory safety over speed and speed reduction. Priorities a walk a block of a livable 33 I don't think it's a whole lot of discussion like there's no head scratching on that. But I can't even read all orion's. But just were right right now he's like I don't know what you mean by that can you explain a little bit more behind promote good governance, can we just go that way. We can, and I that sounds absolutely like a like a good plan, I do want to just ask trinny because we dragged your can projects over there was there anything else specific that you meant there that's different than what we just heard from Tila and Alex.

[53:12] No, no, and I think to us that really well you know just kind of. realizing that things take a long, long time and keeping momentum alive so. Okay. So as you're looking at it in the way that that Tila mentioned where where do you have questions and stuff please also look for where you think they can be grouped their lumped together, whether they're yours or not let's have that conversation too because we're trying to. Think becky group of. becky becky has a couple of. Support can mm hmm. yeah I have a couple of that are related to can one in terms of momentum. Is yeah thinking about long term, how do you keep. This kind of work going and.

[54:01] You know, we can look at lots of other cities to see how it collapses and waiting so for time and and some cities have successfully, or at least are in the early stages of successfully. Keeping that momentum through having policies that may that really mandate in a strong way, the amount of change that has to happen when a street is repaved and I think can it's very much in that. In that vein, but I think if you know thinking thinking, a few years out well how do you keep it going when when there is turnover of Council members of staff of. The residents One way is to have policy that says very clearly and has some degree of funding attached to it right it's important to. A certain level of certain standard for what kind of. For instance, what kind of change has to happen on a street when it's repaved to match the city's by plans, for instance, or whatever else it is.

[55:01] Cambridge is a city that has an example of this and has not been easy, per se, for it to implement, but I think is a model of one way of keeping momentum going over time by policy so it's kind of a big picture thought, but I think in the same vein as those other notes of keeping can going. OK, and now you time at the first one or the set the one right. Below. Is the. Bottom left okay yeah so we can move that over it's a little more specific with examples of how to write. there's something that's I made a note for myself also because I keep on hearing from all four of these this, how do we keep it going when it takes a while and the players may change Council members change board members on tab change and. The phoenix there was a really big study done about how to keep these. These big efforts going, regardless of who the players are regardless of who's forward and some some what are what are some of the things we need to remember in that help with that and i'll try to dig it up, because I.

[56:06] Remembering it, but I don't remember enough about it, but there might be some really good things in there, since you have this interest. You might want to look at it was a civic. Civic lead research, I think. Okay, good anything else that should go over there you're. Recording. Yes, thank you. Close to offer one one perspective because I asked this question at the recent Council meeting, where we were talking about can and natalie had what I thought was a really great answer. That was really helpful for me and her point was that especially these bigger projects that are tied to federal funding or Dr pompe finding. Those kinds of things, it takes so long to get that funding and to get it in motion and to get the projects approved that that once it's kind of going and that. That funding has been approved, through the process it's it's sort of going to keep going regardless of who's there, so I thought that was a really interesting.

[57:04] perspective, something to think about in terms of a strategy, making sure that things outlast Councils and tab members and that kind of thing is to tie it into these very slow moving but, or at least hard to change on the mechanisms. Thank you. Thanks Stephen I know I think if I make this bigger on my screen. I don't are you all on looking at nathans are you looking at your individual. No, not that matters, for me it matters, if I go back to looking at nathan's screen share instead of my link, I can see it better, so I don't know if that's true for everyone.

[58:00] Other questions comments. I think I see Tila and I aligning and. will be assessed for more effective public messaging regarding word zero emissions, I mean yeah road safety envisioned zero. With my education campaigns, I will inform the. Guy. I think that's. Just does that look right to to Tila they look similar. um I definitely shy away from words like education campaign, but. But you know what I mean. I think yeah No, I do know what you mean. So man, it was more kind of explaining what we already did and i'm kind of concerned more about why we need to change like I like. A phrase that's really helpful for me is that you can't fix a problem you can't see. And so, trying to help illustrate the problem.

[59:03] Is as a way of illustrating why we need to change this change is hard. it's sort of more where I was coming from. yeah. I think that kind of ties into like the faster access to crash and citation data, so people understand why we're trying to do certain things in certain places. But yeah yeah then that may not be the best word. Regarding i'll do you like implications but. Maybe information campaigns, is that what you said to. yeah. i'm not too worried about the specific wording i'm just pointing out. yeah you know. I was coming from was a little different place. But. i'd like to hear some from Ryan, because I don't. Like I said I can't even read all of it necessarily. The ending and before we do I don't want to lose that so I wonder if we can bring those two together.

[60:00] And I know that they're slightly different, but the ideas are similar and the word smithing can happen at a totally different time Thank you just so we know we have that and so Ryan, do you want to share some of those because they're. they're a little hard to read. yeah I would have I would have known had four boxes, I had a little time I would summarize a little better. Okay guys so um I have one that's a tmp topic and then three others that are more on. Things that can unleash the the staff and the city to do to do more. So the first one tmp topic is climate and. In my mind, a number of the tmp topics can usually reinforce one another mode shifting be A Vision Zero. In climate in particular i'm climate is is one that we haven't we haven't really done as much on although maybe you can set up i'm attempting to but um I I think about climate as something that if we were to follow as the city were to follow.

[61:09] We were to align with authoritative climate science, namely what the IPCC says, we must do um it, it would it would support. Most of the other things that were that we have here around around can and Vision Zero and maybe more specifically on can. i'm and i'm in the process of working with with natalie and Jonathan on the climate director who kind of think this through so i'm a little bit I don't want to get sorted out here on advocating exactly what it looks like, but my general impression is. Taurus, I can tell, we as a city, we don't have a commitment to science based transportation climate action. And I think it's not clear to people guys, I think the average person might think Oh, the city they've got a great climate program, it must be doing what IPC says TC says about transportation.

[62:08] i'm or not and and there's just sort of go down a list, but at its core, what we see in IPCC is, you have to start with a goal of. of liberating communities from card events and sprawl and create a fabric of transit and and walkability and bike ability to compact multimodal form. That is a precondition for for doing the rest like occasion comes next, but that is a precondition for doing the rest and transportation is one of the top few general areas of activity in a climate. decarbonisation regime so those aren't represented in the cities climate work and those concepts are not represented in our transportation rtmp there's a kind of a.

[63:02] touristic I guess that it's like somehow lucky, these are associated with climate but according to authoritative science it's actually a compact multimodal development that that is both. The most certain in the most quantifiable, as far as what it can do, but I think the current situation is, we just. You know the centers of activity, whether in transportation department or climate, you know just sort of work that they have and. The enterprise of the city is not organized around solving for compact development to do decarbonisation so if we had a strategic commitment from Council or from leadership or some combination of. You know, and an elevated from the transportation department to say this is important, I think we would start to create the conditions that would allow the. mode chef and and I can it can and and all that stuff grow and we do a service to the public, by making it clearer about what we are and are not doing with respect to align it with climate science.

[64:10] So it's it's pretty wonky and you know I know we have limited time as tab to just like dive into all of that and it's one reason i've. You know kind of work bilaterally with trilateral with with natalie and Jonathan or I started a process. And as i've said before, and this was the thing I came to tab for was to work on so um I want to twist arms and say you know we all need to care about this, the way that the Ryan does um, but I think that's the opportunity for climate and. I think if you get climate you get you get the can can we get zero working, even with greater commitment, you will see more more mutual reinforcement of the three. that's the climate one and maybe i'll stop before I go into the other, the other kind of three things which I guess we're gonna do it once that happy to talk about that.

[65:04] What do you all have any questions about it. I just wanted to add something. In support of what Ryan saying I mean and and also advise that we kind of lean more on Vision Zero because you know, as you know, the safe systems approach is you know. One of the pillars is exactly what you're speaking about Ryan, so I mean I think it's kind of already there we just gonna have to make that more clear maybe but but yeah That was my only input. I guess my question for Ryan would be how does tab do this. short of like in our letter saying to counsel, the end of the year, please make this one of your priorities, next year, like.

[66:01] I think the way you just phrased it and I know you've been talking about it, you know, since you've been on the board the way you've just phrased it was the most succinct and sort of just sunk maybe it's because the the 12th time i've heard it but. To be able to give that kind of an elevator pitch to counsel and understand what we're not doing what we think we might be doing is pretty. compelling. So how do we as tab pursue that I don't know what What should we do differently. As tab. What i'm pretty, one that would be. But i'm not making a case that this is the one thing we just focus on, and I was somebody who for the initiative to for counsel or a work night in. December on the D amp D one, and you know wasn't it wasn't the right time for that, and one thing I learned through that is a lot of great really great ideas and there's things. I care about that aren't necessarily what or where the focus I think when is the right thing for Council to be if you can say one thing. So I guess the you know sort of maybe maybe with that premise, a little bit like are there, do we need just one thing if so maybe it's not this, but on the other hand.

[67:07] Are there ways to seed, some of these with maybe maybe there's different levels of these. involvement by by Council or staff, but also, you know i'd sort of be interested if there's a way to get feedback directly just through Nicole or others, but like. is key, I think I think Councils interest in these sort of their intrinsic or they're inspired interest in these across the board here, become an important you know ingredient to what's actually that kind of thing that they want to do so, I don't know. Alex what are your thoughts. I think Ryan has some really good messaging here that could serve as an umbrella for a lot of these other things. it's about making a sustainable community, and that is in line with we see safety overspeed Here we see focus on arterial.

[68:04] Other climate mentions landis' and planning projects and, for me, I think prioritizing a walkable livable 30th street is a thing that a counselor staff could work on would achieve some of these higher goals that again to me feel kind of a good umbrella for a lot of the other girls. there's a there's an umbrella, and you know you all my head starts spinning because I don't understand all of it in the way that you, you deep dive understand it, but it sounded like an umbrella that is compelling about why this matters and how. it's you know it's not just one project these these things are all important right it's a process and system when I hear you. So now i'm envisioning that and then some of this other stuff coming under it I guess you can't really see all my gesturing that i'm doing and.

[69:04] yeah that one doesn't really fit. In the with the sticky notes it fits kind of above and over many of them like you said Alex yeah. Maybe it's fitted kind of not necessarily an exact same but conceptually would the public kind of messaging sticky notes if. I mean message, whether whether it's whether it's emphasizes messaging or the emphasizes. specific policies and you're using that framework. And it. could be in some ways, could be. I think on climate, I don't know and then like I had sort of come to this not as. here's the pitch for what our work item is for Council, but here are the things that matter for for the for the city broadly and. Through through tab and the things that we can bring energy to address, and I think one thing on climate is like, I think.

[70:07] I would like to see Council or an agreement between Council city manager and transportation to say commit to having a science based approach for transportation climate action, then. go forth, and you know, then that that could that could catalyze a whole you know set of discussions that would be kind of. Self regulating in a way, because people would start to join discussions and you see things that come out of them and then that would lead to you know, possibly some data debate about Well, this is actually IPCC consistent or it's not and. And if we find that it is, I think you'll see suddenly things are going to start to line up a point that happening to support that they need to get her valuing. Of can and and more can and more of these things, though, but I don't know what Council has to do, specific, but I see Nicole, you have your hand, so why don't I set up. yeah. You want to finish your point Ryan. I don't that was it was it.

[71:01] yeah I was just gonna say a couple of a couple of observations on this conversation one is that I think the transportation master plan. revisions are coming up at some point in the next year to three somewhere around there that to me seems like a place for really getting some of this work, committed by Council. And you know, and I think that it would be foolish and I have a big focus of that the climate right because that that. That is intricately tied to our client or to our transportation, right now, so I think it's a good opportunity for making some progress and also. Ensuring that long term work continues, as you all were talking about before the other thing that I just wanted to offer is that we get lobbied all the time. Generally, by outside interests rarely by boards and commissions, so I think if you have a clear message. If you have a plan in place and kind of like with with can right you already had some of that there Okay, thank you, thank you to land on 2024 for the next transportation master plan update so it's coming up.

[72:12] And, but having that plan in place getting staff on board with what it is you're wanting to achieve I think what I don't often see is even getting other boards on board of plans but. Then you know all of you kind of lobbying the heck out of what it is that that you're wanting to accomplish that that you know tab is is trying to get through so Those are the things at least that I see. from other groups who are coming in and working on influencing our decision, so I just wanted to offer that. Thank you hi Valerie. can't hear you, though, are you do you connect your audio now. There we go.

[73:01] Are you there I. can't hear you still. Do others hear her is it just me know okay. not sure what to do, but if you figure it out, we would love to hear from you so just interrupt whatever's going on, if you. If you figure it out and. i'm hearing a. You know the the importance of sort of telling the story is something that's gotten generated Ryan by this by this particular comment so. i'm. kind of setting the stage with that that whole thing and then maybe some of the. The specific other pieces fit under it.

[74:01] Heidi I heard that, too, I also heard Nicole say in my mind, the way to reach me was have you have your annual letter but that's not it. that's not all you have. You can Commission one another, or you know the board entirely to you know interface with word so um and I knew that and it's a good reminder so i'm. There any case I think that's a good reminder. yeah Thank you. And then I if we're done on climate, I could go to those other just I could do, just a quick talia knows the category, but um. Is that alright, with everyone, I just want to do a check in real quickly. and make sure if I think that probably be the best thing, since there you got to do that three dissertations to go. Now, but explaining and would be really helpful. yeah can you stretch them so they're not cut off I don't know I can't do it anyway, I can try to run this.

[75:02] If you can I don't have a cut off, so I can't I can on my screen, but I think that Nathan can on his and I have. I did again over the word count limit and I was reading fast. I just this is, this is a category of things that. are about i'm going to interrupt you, for just a second Ryan, if you all look on nathan's screen I think they're blown up now, and you won't see it cut off. Do you know what I mean by that go back to the zoom meeting, instead of your yeah so sorry go ahead, I just wanted to let you know there's there. Okay, so this is a little bit not traditional as far as the T amp T amp T topics, but in my you know variance with with tab there's a few things that we could do the city could do. The Department could do with the city to I think unleash itself, and you know just just consider that we have. Well Okay, this is, this is my my view we have we have pretty incredible expertise and energy in the staff on staff, we have a majority Council that's that's excited in general, my my take on a lot of things we're trying to do, and yet it's like okay let's so let's do it, and so.

[76:18] You know, it still takes years to just roll out can, and we have to say no to things that are otherwise I think people would like to do so or limit their limits, and so, what are the limiting factors, and I would suggest we have. An opportunity to enhance the work essentially effective teamwork across the city as an enterprise to do more and. You know, one of the one of the topics and climate science in the IPCC is is and this isn't specific to climate it's about system change but it's um it's the week when you're when you're in a system of locking in which people have their roles and.

[77:01] Accountability systems it's hard for them to internally change things and to change roles and we have here is tab and opportunity to be and an exogenous and outside, for us to say well. it's not like politically difficult for us to point out that you know you have there's organizational alignment or. opportunities to kind of create cross departmental. enhancements in ways that staff, you know if you're it with the formal career structure it's just harder to do that so. I just would like to point out that you know it's easy for me to say, but I would like to point out that, in my experience, I think there's a few things here at um. I think we could get a lot if we can resolve these we get a lot more done on the things that APP cares about and. I don't know that these are work items I think is or maybe just you know feedback for for the for the team to consider and then i'd you know i'd love to discuss them if there's interest, but I know it can get a little this is little wonky but the basically the three ones are.

[78:10] that's where to go here. Okay, so the first is this growth mindset one um and I, you know I just think of this E bike proposal. exercise we went through which we basically all well more or less, there was a consensus that this be great to do to get funding for you, but funding exists, the city has money for a bikes. It supports multiple tmp goals if we were able to get funding the bikes um but the city just doesn't have like literally the time and the staff to manage it, and I am very sympathetic to that being true in the moment. But it's you know I think i've been detected now pretty strong pattern over my time on tab of sort of feedback coming back to tab on an idea to say.

[79:08] I love to do it, but um you know it's it's a trade off of resources and what I would love to see that turn into is a. Instead of going back to tab and saying you need that you need to stop things rather you turn it Council and the public to say. we're not able to do the things we want, because we do not have the resources we need, and if you would give us what's required, we can get this done xyz done like like in a big picture way not just sort of one off the more strategically and I think if if. We could expect that, as a response, more so than let's talk about trade offs, it would be good from around we get for a lot of things that we care about that's that's one. I think strategic focus in proposals is talked about this before, but you know when when we see a request for feedback whether it's a capital project or whenever.

[80:04] We should see as part of that presentation automatically a discussion on the supports our most shifting goals. Because, as you know, we all understand that the four or five or whatever kind of key things we have to do to drive mode shifting is this, and in this way. I think we if we could have a more sort of objective understanding of our of our what what we think the change that will drive change and in our various GNP goals. Even as just the draft kind of a working process. That would create a lot more diversity in the way that we evaluate proposals, and it would give us and the public and all stakeholders interested to chance to and continually refine you know interrogate and give staff, a tester find those as we go. take time to do, but you know that's that I think that would be. really incredible thing for the day if we can expect that automatically and proposal and then the final one is um you know it comes up from from me thinking about climate but it's more general and it's on.

[81:12] The this. Getting after this problem well this yeah this issue that we have multiple departments in the city that have a critical impact on your ability to get multimodal. urbanising work done particular through land use. And there's not an accountability do a high level transportation, with a new ladies a lowercase T but, but you know I city level city city leadership level. of transportation goals rather it's you know we have transportation department here and. There, and we could get some I think the climate, a new climate initiative at the city cabinet level or i'm not sure what you call it it's my do it in which we say Look, we have to get on keep decarbonisation done a really strong alignment with the land use and Community vitality.

[82:12] If we had that I think we wouldn't be having friends can carly different kinds of conversations about parking we wouldn't it would it would be less awkward it would we would. We would have met his staff all around who and leaders all around would have accountability for carbon ization and their spirits, but they don't have it, and so. You know it's hard to do things changing much i'm those my three I think you know, hopefully Valerie natalie and team like at least you know you. You have this i'd love to chat offline if I can be helpful, I don't mean to be you know just be too critical thing goes procedural improvements were unleashed staff, and it would unleash tab to be able to do more. And more to help and Valerie looks like Valerie wants to respond let's see if we can hear you yeah hi I.

[83:07] can't hear you Valerie. I hear static but I don't hear your voice. I don't know it's probably too long for you to put in chat and I don't know if you saw also nicole's question to staff in chat. You might be the only person who can answer that that's on, though. 13235334920: How about now. Dear she is. 13235334920: All right, all right, thank you, I didn't see the common the top, but I just wanted to say, thanks for your patience i'm in the car coming back from vacation with family. 13235334920: And so I just wanted to speak to some of the earlier comments around some of ryan's sticky notes.

[84:08] 13235334920: And you know, of course, the the transportation master plan update I think everyone is on the same page it's a great. 13235334920: venue for having these higher level policy conversations and one thing I would just suggest or mention for consideration is that we do an annual report on progress, which is what we do in the off years. 13235334920: When we're not updating our transportation master plan and that report on progress might be a great way to start shifting that framework. 13235334920: Around how we talk about our work and how we report on. 13235334920: You know the the climate goals that we're all speaking to today, so I just wanted to offer that and then also just mentioned that with with our work on the can we have repurpose. 13235334920: The funding and staff resources that for the transportation master plan update that would have started this year and we've repurpose those those resources towards the can and and we don't yet currently have it.

[85:02] 13235334920: A year that we have you know solidified as when we will next update our plan and we don't have necessarily any rules about how often we update that. 13235334920: So that's something that can you know be for future conversation, and I just wanted to clarify that point, and if you could read out the question in the chat i'd be happy to answer that as well at this time. yeah it, let me open it up and Nicole is asking does any tab or does this tab or any board or Commission ever give feedback to counsel. And she she needs to leave but she's really interested do they ever give feedback on Councils budget discussions, because those are starting soon, and she would personally appreciate hearing from tab folks, especially on the budget. Do they ever give feedback, as far as you know, Valerie. And that the second part that I just clarify just just to Valerie I don't mean like tackling the red.

[86:03] 13235334920: Car transportation, but rather right, one of the things that the Council have to what. What are the different parties. Are things. Are these are funding. In the right way. 13235334920: You know, for new initiatives and things like he likes. Where would we pull from what areas should have higher priority across the city right that it would be wonderful to have. Some feedback like that, because those are the kinds of things i'm thinking about as we had in the budget discussions in. other places where we can align right, it is there some alignment between like parks and REC and transportation around the bikes I mean. What what are what are those kind of different ways of thinking about things, but yeah I do have to run and I apologize I would love to stay with you all, but thank you so much for all that you're doing and saying. Thank you. Thank you. I see Alex had his hand up and also trinny Alex did you did you want to say something specifically to Council member spirit okay.

[87:03] 20. um yeah I guess but Nicole already left, I guess, I have a lot of suggestions, because I constantly learn about funding and grants, and so what would be the protocol like like to address city council or me should. I just don't know those. Is there anybody on that knows that or knows where we can find out Alex. About I think 60% of the department's budget is the capital improvement program, which is the five year budget for capital projects and that's something that's updated on an annual basis and tap provides the week because we did it. recommended it to planning board and Council last month, so we have some opportunity to see in pretty good detail or 60% of the money is going as far as capital projects go and that would be an opportunity to a and. With regard to some of the other stuff I don't think we have much purview over what's going on in the planning side of things, or the programmatic.

[88:08] I think those would probably require some pretty clear direction from Council to implement something like an e bike program at that point staff will have the opportunity to find the staffing resources and the budgetary resources to make a program planning effort like that possible. But like on very specifically. i'm sorry guys are calling my dogs but, like, for example, if I were to know of the specific grant that could help somehow fund this idea that Ryan had. What would be the process, I mean I don't like what is the protocol do I reach out to Nicole, for example, because she's the one that's like. Asking association and just email her and how How does that work like when there's like additional funding that that the city can really benefit from that I know of.

[89:10] personally. reach out to a staff member who it felt like it was most applicable for and if I didn't have a specific staff member in mind that probably just use the tab email address where a lot of the upper level staffers would would receive it, and then, if there's some appetite there than. reaching out to Nicole and other son Council maybe it but subsequent or concurrent steps that could be made. yeah okay. Is that you. And Valerie I think you're still on is that do you have anything to add to that or is that. Maybe not. i've done this multiple times recently, and how to get great thanks thanks for sending me the grant. 13235334920: idea. So yeah Valerie seems like a good person for that. Okay Valerie.

[90:07] He got muted again, but you were live, did you have anything that you could add Valerie. 13235334920: yeah thanks for that, so you know I think I caught half of of alex's comments sorry about that, I think that the question is, you know the distinction between. 13235334920: So sorry i'm going to go back on mute. And weds is this is trying to come in, in the middle of a vacation coming back. From vacation it sounds like she might have something to add, in terms of the you know. The right steps, or whatever, but but Alex what I was hearing you say is check in with staff first and if there's interest then approaching Council maybe as an interim step, rather than just approaching Council, not a Council member is that I hear that right.

[91:05] that's personally by the route, I would take to just make sure that you're not getting Council on board with something that's not going to be compatible with stuffs. abilities or plans. I guess what's really exciting right now is that there's so much additional funding because of all these different things that are happening and Washington that it's just a shame that you know that I can't like. I can add 20 yes, and this was my my growth mindset point or reminds me of it because we're the bikes exercise last month or a couple months ago we have money just sitting with the city, and I mean so. it's limiting factor seems not so much that we can't find available grant money, but that we don't have the ability to not have the capacity to use it and I know some of that's you know structural staffing.

[92:01] Trying to you know recruit staff but anyway, I agree with your I love, where you going with this. yeah. Great so i'm looking at the time, and I want to take, have you i'll focus on the whole board again see if there's any other groupings that could come together or how we might I I think some of these are specific to our our priority and focus on a specific. project or thing happening and some of it is so, for example, Ryan, when I hear growth mindset what i'm hearing is ways of growing the pie, rather than figuring out how to divide the pie so it's a yes and and we get more. So they're not all exactly parallel priorities and ideas, but do you see any other places where they can. be lumped together, or we can collect redundancy is my first question.

[93:09] And my second question but sorry trick. China, yes. Let me, maybe prioritizing walkable livable 30th street was mine, you know very obvious safety overspeed production, I mean. Just kind of it, the same thing, but little more specific. mm hmm. I see there's two items on here about parking and planning and land use, and I think those all come together to have future development that's safe equitable sustainable. There needs to be more coordination. Between. and parking so piece of that. problem. So. Heidi. i'm just thinking about who who would would act on these and some of some of them are within the kind of regular bounds that we work through staff on like like.

[94:06] Keep keeping cannon focus and you know. So there's that least one or a couple of these are for Council I think are called out so maybe there's a you can sort of have a tray for for Council and. Then, maybe there's something that's kind of in the middle, which is maybe not on yet or involve multiple multiple departments and therefore you know always city manager or something I don't know some further consideration beyond like just the department can do this. I want to over complicated, but it does strike me that might be one way to. organize it yeah but. yeah it might be, and I, and I just I want to tell you all, are able to move the stickies if you put your. cursor I think on the arrow you can move them and group them around if anyone wants to take that on, but let me go to Alex first, because you had a comment that I I missed I think elixir.

[95:05] I was gonna say i'm not really clear what we're doing here there are things on here support like making crash data publicly accessible, but I don't think that's really something we can accomplish as a group. Like staff might that might be in the we heard a little bit about that last night. And then there are things we could advocate for at. Council and then there are things that I think we as a group have the power to help influence. Think last time was a good example, when we were all throwing out ideas and reacting to other ideas and our tip conversation. If there were themes that we had in here and projects that align well with those themes that would be a good opportunity for us in the coming year, whether it's. This next tip or some other grant opportunity that comes across Chinese desk that we could we could make that a reality if we have some some overlap.

[96:05] mm hmm. I love that and, and so they just took go back to the purpose of this for a few to hear from each other, some of what you're thinking and where your. Where your interests and pray are nice and what you'd like to see happening, but it wasn't necessarily just focused on what we could act on or what we could encourage other staff that was just that, but at this stage what's the most useful way. To start to identify these and use your your dots to say here's something that like we could influence here, something that we could advocate to counsel about here, something that and i'm not sure I need to ask you what is the best what would be the most useful for you. In terms of how you organize this and. and identify any. You know where the momentum is.

[97:17] I guess, for me it would be helpful to know if there are specific items that are very Council specific and there are a couple I had that I noted are for Council, because I think there's not really going to be a way to teach them without counsel making. Putting them on future agenda and making you know it a priority to act on it, and so I support that is like are there Council specific things, in which case. You know, to the extent that it's possible within our meeting times and rules that tab can we're collectively on addressing you know, is there. You know group support for those items, you know if not that's okay well that's why we're here to discuss and then.

[98:00] yeah other things that are more specific to. Top seat back to the department and those things we want to. discuss further not necessarily today just another time. mm hmm. So I was going to recommend that we take a little five minute break break because it's been you know you had a long night last night and it's been an hour. we're going on the two hour mark not quite yet and it looks like nathan's kind of setting some stuff up like there's a box for Council items and then. What can the other box be because i'm wondering if we can take a little break and people can start to move items into those if you know what what's Council specific and what's. requires more conversation. yeah What about one I mean one is just sort of straightforward, we know how to work this kind of within the bounds of our regular you know internal dialogue and then maybe there's a middle one.

[99:02] I don't know, maybe it might be cross departmental or we you know take take something more. So, when you say that it's the one that's just tapped specific. And then, what would I call that. The one that you said a straightforward, we know how to work this. it's more like departments specific because all this is. Specific and one that's the bigger. more complicated loyalty. yeah maybe just Nancy or would you call it. it's it's not just cross department as i'm listening to the Ryan it's it's um. it's a it's a systemic picture, rather than a specific focus or project picture that you're talking and I. Know yeah right and i'm not sure how to label it but that's that's sort of what it's coming to. Maybe one is like kind of typical team things that fall under attack tmp. Okay that's.

[100:00] And then, like for other. um how about how about the other one is just called it's complicated and then we can sort of unpack that later, but the one that's a little more cross departmental cross sort of the bigger picture strategy and storytelling. And then my my ask of you all, if we if we just kind of take five minutes to stretch and five more minutes for you can do you can see that Nathan is setting these boxes up and if you can move the stickies the way you think they fit. Everybody has the ability to move them, I believe that that'd be helpful because. You would know that better I mean I wouldn't know what to do with them i'm not sure Nathan might know a little what to do with them.

[101:00] Okay excellent Thank you and so i'm going to pick the conversation back up at 425 if that's OK, with everyone, and I do want you to just take a moment to. Clear your brain, so you can sort of revisit this and. I know you're used to long meetings, without breaks, but. We shouldn't be used to that. If be good to clear our heads for a minute. And i'm i'm just making suggestions, please feel free to change anything. Have you been the only one driving and Nathan. nope. I see people are doing good stuff all. Right wonderful. yep excellent thanks.

[109:34] couple more minutes and then we'll get started again.

[111:47] We have everybody back. trinity is the only one, I think I don't see an Alex Oh, there you are hi so we've got this in somewhat of an organized order, and I know there's going to be some next steps, but i'm wondering if.

[112:12] It makes sense to you all i'd like you all to use those dots that you see above your name and drag them to. Where you where you want to use them, so you have four and you can put them like I said all on one or or in various places I think we still have opportunity to. wordsmith and and collapse, some of these into each other, so it won't matter too much if you put it on one of the three can for one of the four can. Things that would be fine but go ahead and just see what your see how this works you just you click on it and drag it and put it wherever so we can see where the energy is of this where you have sort of alignment agreement.

[113:13] Or how do my brain was occupied using put the dog, on the one on the ones we like the most. yeah just that so it's not really able to categorize it too much more than that Ryan, because it's not really about where you want to necessarily put your efforts, yet and impact, but which ones, do you think you, you know you have the most interest in. digging in to in a more deep in a deeper way i'll say it that way Alex how did you choose maybe we can start there, how did you decide where you were putting your dots based on what. I think canada's one of the biggest opportunities we've had in a while so i'd like to keep moving that forward. that's where you can have impact.

[114:00] I was. Thinking about how we can make. The types of improvements that are happening in Canada, more sustainable thing, perhaps through policy that's something. that people have floated forever, but Council has not had, I think a really good like template to act upon. I put a.on promoting good governance at the first half of the retreat, we were told, ideally, how. city and staff and tab all work together. For the years. is not at all, how things have operated reality so i'm increasing the public's trust in the department by hoping to hold staff accountable and I thought my first thought on ryan's name he's a man on a mission with objectives, I think, support all of our courses, so I don't. want to parse them all of the blue, but.

[115:00] Just supportive of the thinking. yeah okay. All right, very good. Thank you. I don't know if you last made it on there are at least it's not on my screen. it's on ryan's name right oh. Oh, that was intentional, I understand now. It is intentional yeah the way that it's ryan's brain, the way that he thinks, as I understand it, he's he's very supportive of the thinking that. What is saying and. hostility. Can I ask a Alex process question. What when is our next letter to counsel and when do we like Is this how I don't know I don't I don't want to cook anybody's brain but.

[116:02] When you start thinking about what extent do we need to be thinking about that, like pretty honestly. I think it's in November, is that, right now, like sometime in November typically. yeah beginning of the year, it depends on how big of an ass. We have, or what we're trying to. Do an update if we're hoping to shift gears dramatically, I think we need to be. In through that as a board soon and planting those seeds with Council members and city staff sooner rather than later. yeah okay well I just I guess i'm wondering and sort of backing into this question of where to get the dots but maybe i'm my mind's wandering too much, but i'm thinking like. we've talked about things we care about I don't know that we've talked too much about like what did we learn from the process of getting a kick ass I Council work by an item on the agenda this year. My thing. yeah and and like what what are their lessons with respect to how we want to do the next one, you know, reflecting on that and then also.

[117:07] Expanding the pie like to be able to interact with you know. Interested Council beyond just the letter I know that was like sort of a theme today but i'm now that i'm putting dots places i'm just thinking like Okay, I guess, we do you know, at some point need do need to start kind of focusing in on okay what letter. I don't know. I think yeah go ahead Alex I. First, be effective, we have to figure out how to pull the levers of a complex bureaucracy and a suggested work plan item is one way to do that a letter to counsel is one way to do that and our. monthly meetings we can do that I don't think there's like one right answer and I wouldn't put too much stock in. Well, let it a counselor because they get 25 of those from commissions and. Most I don't think how much like.

[118:00] yeah. I wonder, then, about that one more thing and i'll stop i'll try to stop talking i'm on on like Are there things that people are willing to spend time on or champion and. Which is a little different than saying here's what I when i'm proposing that we all work together on like two people have kind of hobby projects and maybe you find in there it's gonna happen with those it could be exciting. But maybe we don't yeah we do with a hobby I don't know. Well, well, that one of the things that that often is beneficial. To after something like this and you're asking incredibly good questions i'm a really big fan of looking at what worked and how we bring that forward and do things you know, like so you had this great presentation of. can write to cancel that that was huge and big and successful, so I love the idea of taking some time to talk about what worked and and so that you bring that forward with the work that you do. But the other thing is there's a big there's a difference between where's where's the interest and energy of the group.

[119:03] And we're starting to see clearly it's something to do with can right and then having and there's something there where I see a whole lot of dots. And then having that doesn't mean because you put your dot there that you're saying you're the one who wants to be the champion or the one that makes sure we. organize and get that going right that's a different question that you're asking now is there, one that someone would like to take on, it is, is there, one that anyone would kind of like to take on as whatever the next steps might be around it. And another good question, what are you seeing right now so i'm holding those Ryan, is why i'm repeating them i've got those questions and i'm I think they're important. What I want to ask first is, what do you see as as people are putting their dots in place and and thank you for doing that Nathan, I think it's to help us remember, whose thoughts are what color right i'm imagine that's what you're up to what do you see.

[120:06] I just wanted to clarify one thing, just to make sure, on the same page, which is the parking mandate reform item I put on the Council items list, which is not i'm not referring to pricing of parking or on street. parking pay any of that like that we learned about. That was on in this discussion yesterday it's referring to party minimums that are required in development. So that's and I think it's, something that would be potentially something other boards could. go along with, so I just want to clarify that. Any case. I wanted my dot half, I want to cut my dot and equal parts for all the ones that say parking but yeah i'm not sure how to how to treat. that's it that's a tricky one because I wonder if there's there there's similar and not completely the same, but everything connected to parking it feels like that could become one.

[121:07] doesn't it or it can't because it's in the different buckets that we created now. I suppose. yeah it's tricky because oh good no good good. i'm sorry it's just a technical question did we all get for adults. or three.com for for. For for thought i'm trying to. Do when you get one really stretched out one under a. duplicate it. Thank you. Okay, you see all four of them now yeah. Great thanks so much. I don't know, I guess, maybe i'm overthinking I little heartburn with like just trying to put a.on one because it's you know working is. To counsel it's an critical topic for counsel, but then, if you do if you did get climate if you really get counsel to say. we're gonna we're serious about a commitment to science based climate action and you'd have the transportation department telling Council hey, by the way we got to get parking right and maybe that would expand their thinking on it too.

[122:09] And then on parking on cross departmental we've got communication with Community vitality and parking but then there's a more general point that you need to have alignment among our departments on critical topics so. I don't want to say too much obvious X here but i'm just trying to think like, how do you. How do we kind of consolidate the. yeah. I mean i'm i'm not i'm seeing like some sticky notes consolidated together all the canned stuff I think can go together. But otherwise we'll make while they're kind of different ideas and then put them like to separate some things that are touching on a similar idea like parking to cross departmental and Council items like it's now separating them, so this looks like a hot mess to me is what i'm saying. So one of the things that that and that you know, to me it looks it isn't completely streamlined, but it doesn't look like a hot mess, I think I I see some of the places where you have some similar interests.

[123:08] But the next step of this is to try to make it a little more organized and to call out some redundancy into wordsmith so that we can make a bucket out of these for, for example. don't remember if I don't remember how to do this, so that you can see what I mean that somehow this could become a thing, instead of four separate things. But that isn't a really good use of all of your brains together and there's somebody who would be willing to take that and do that and. For the Group that would be awesome I think that'd be an awesome next step so you've captured this you've had a chance to kind of hear from each other what your. What your interests are and get some questions and some ideas floating I thought there were some really again I know some that you've heard before some that got clarified a little.

[124:01] But, but a next step in terms of hanging on to this and and building what we talked about as a more unified voice, and please feel free to speak up Alex because I think I got that a little from understanding you thinking about what are our priorities together gives us a little more. power to make something happen right. What can I make just a suggestion good way. I feel like I don't I don't know where this goes exactly, but if we could just put this into a document and say. You know that says we met admin talked about these things one thing, the first thing we all agreed on was. You know we've really got to stay focused on can and explain that and then say here are some other items we discussed, and you know and have some relationship. A little bit of kind of playing with that, but then we'd have that for the you know, for the record, and you know I remember, at least when I was envisioning this months ago. It was, it was the idea of getting to something like that something like it's just a shared nothing too formal but, just like a sense of what is the expertise of this this group think is important.

[125:11] and Maybe that's not the letter Council per se but it's just kind of a record of this, I think, I think that would do more than just having the sticky notes and i'm also guessing that it in the moment it might be kind of hard for folks to like if you got what all the action items are. Right. I think that's great, but I don't I also believe that you could use this just to look back on it and start to build some pull some things and build for the Council letter. Right and, and so I think it's I think it's useful, the way it is, I think it could be more useful as someone took it kind of played with it a little and made it more. Little more organized. it's an outline for some pros that you could you know. But it's good I mean it's good data it's just not there's, not an end result and that one of the things that and I might have been third party Alex because.

[126:08] I know I reached out on at a bad time for you, but i'm poke i'm looking at you, because of a conversation we had a while ago now, you know about kind of where. What we could do, but one of the things i've heard from you all, is just knowing more about the wisdom in the room, and the passion in the room, and these things about each other so, for example, hearing, I thought hearing. 20 that you, you know you you hear these opportunities for grant you know getting money and what do you do with them, because they could really be something like just bringing those kinds of things to the table and knowing that. can be very valuable down the road when you all hear something or something comes up. But I i'd love for you all to understand where the energy in the room is in a way that might make you feel like this stuff that you care about like like keeping can front of mine and moving forward and maintaining momentum right through because it takes a while to do.

[127:11] It It makes you more powerful together right, I think, as a group. yeah but you tell me what is there, something that would be really useful that you see is beneficial useful from this. As a next step from this. And I think snowing if there are things people are planning on working on like want to regardless. Just knowing that they're working on that, so that if it's something that other person wants to support whether it's someone else on this board. or somebody on staff who's interested or somebody outside that you know it's gets involved, knowing that they can be a person to go to to support that effort, I mean it would be helpful i'm not saying, like a public document.

[128:04] or anything like that, but I mean just. Like for me to know that someone's working on this particular like if i'm. Like, for instance i'm that crashed into public access, I had been thinking about this for a while learned last night it's actually much further along than I anticipated, which is great. But I want to follow up on it i'm going to follow up on it, if anybody has questions they can ask me i'm going to follow up with Veronica. This isn't an easy example but that's just you know Sunday can know that that's sort of a priority for me and i'll follow up on it and say have questions, I think. that's excellent Thank you. love that I had I didn't know and, yes, I would and I didn't know, we had an expert in and enthusiastic you know, on that topic and would love to yes, I so. I think that's a really good example of this group, having some kind of focus area issues that maybe aren't the tab enroll focus, but together actually can create some you know really good chemistry.

[129:05] And please report back at the end of our board meetings that are better for the board that's a couple time to hear about anyone's efforts outside of the business that's immediately before us. So, at the end sort of like an update on here's just fyi what i've been up to, or what i'm. What i'm doing, and this and that way you know if there's a common interest what what I hesitate about and why i'm not chiming in as. A whole lot here is that I know there are rules and regulations and I don't know them all know what I mean, but in the board meetings, you can have those conversations right. yeah and as Community Members, you can too i'm just saying I the hat as Advisory Board, this is all the place where I I don't have expertise and and know all the things so. Well, this is something that limitation of our ability to get together on and work on things like a like a team often would.

[130:03] is one reason why this is so powerful that we have experts, they can go kind of lead the charge come back to tab and report out in the public forum allow feedback and. I think it's an opportunity that results from that from that limitation. yeah. So I understand your your role as an advisory board I feel like I here and i've learned more from Council members sphere and stuff that. Not only in terms of advisory council, but really hungry for your engagement and inputs that's an avenue I don't know that it always has to be. Her but it feels like that's an incredibly powerful avenue, maybe for the two things that are specifically Council items, but maybe for some other other stuff as well. So we wrote, something that I thought was cool it's good in the comments also Ryan about budget North design is transportation policy right.

[131:04] And I met with a group at the state of California. Yesterday, I think it was they have housing as a climate strategy now that's like a whole effort and committee that they've just started up. So there's lots of ways of thinking differently, opening the aperture and thinking differently, that I really hear this this group and I don't know that might be part of why Alex put his.on your name Ryan was that some of that thinking that you that you bring. Welcome to the Caucus on compact development for an increase in housing for Climate Action as the as the first the first dot medallia. Vision Zero strategy. yeah. yeah so let me just take a minute we've got this wonderful document I feel like something wants to happen with it, that that's The next step i'm not sure what would be most useful for you all, or, if anything, would be.

[132:02] But there's amazing and great data just in here in terms of what you know about each other and where you have similarity, but also where you have expertise in and wonderful diversity. But I just like to check in with each of you something that you walk away from. This session with and any next step so it's kind of here's what i'm walking away with that you found valuable. And also, if there's a next step that that you would find valuable in this conversation that could happen as Alex said updating each other and keeping it alive, at the end of board meetings or or any you know I don't know. Another opportunity to come together for shorter period. i'm outta signing in, but I would love to take on the messaging aspect of that those four little notes, I think that's something that. Great I can do successfully and. And I think the ones that were all. Together okay. yeah.

[133:00] that's a good next step, so you can take on that part of it. yeah okay Thank you so that that's a good that's a specific next step and something that sounds like it's interesting and valuable to you as well. yeah Okay, who else. becky i'm going to pick on you. For follow up on any of these. yeah so like anything that you what was valuable in this for you today, and then any any specific follow up that you think would be here at either interested in doing or you'd like to have, in general, to do. yeah I mean this is helpful for me just to spend time thinking about my own interest, the priorities and because it's hard to know enough to be. engaged on every single time the transportation department couple covers some so many you know facets of work that it's hard.

[134:03] For me, to be knowledgeable enough to really contribute to all of them, and so, even just the either Okay, or what are the areas I feel like I can contribute more to and care about and maybe that's where I focus energy instead of trying to understand lots of things that maybe. it's going to be a challenge, or a challenge for me so so that was a helpful process. For for me to go to to go through, and, of course, to see that for everybody else. yeah I mentioned that the crusher to pieces, and they under interested in and just in terms of public access. i'm interested in parking mandy reform have some other some other folks in the city i'd like to talk to you, who are interested in this and it's something like to pursue I know it's not an easy policy left but um. But as far as land use and climate change is a good one. and transportation yeah and then yeah I would love to think more spend more time thinking about you know.

[135:04] A few a couple years down the road, how do you embed or click can into policy so that there are the resources and funding there and a more continuous basis to really tackle these, the most. problematic roads in our transportation system. Great yeah so doing some research on that. And I also remember, we have the list of what's really going well and tap and what what could be more helpful and one of the things you also said in terms of your contributions is. clarity about what is our role in this, do we do you want advice on this we weigh in are you just updating us and clarity about that along the way in the board meetings would be really helpful for you to know where where to put your attention and effort yeah. Thanks okay.

[136:01] Tila. I really enjoyed having councilman spear here again it's pretty I think. It helps us with some of the the frustration that we don't really know how to communicate with counsel that that we have someone who's so actively trying, you know, to hear us and in and inject with us and I just got back from vacation myself. And still kind of there's a lot. going on right now, but it reminded me that, before I left she had asked you to get together when I went i'm like I gotta I have to do that and follow up with her and try to. You know sort of figure out a better way for tab to interface with counsel, or at least you know, open up those channels of communication, I think Alex is quite good at that and i'm not going to work on that. And then the second big sort of Aha moment was, I said to Ryan was like Oh well, now you've really like expressed the problem.

[137:08] In such a succinct way like we we say we're doing stuff but we're really not you're not you know you're. you're paying lip service to stuff so I even like while we were on this, I went back to our. The memo from Kennedy vitality last night about parking pricing and all that. And I searched for the word climate like I remember them saying something about it and that's literally what they said, like, of course, you know all these other programs. In format it's the climate commitment, and then the same phrase. This advances our climate and sustainability goals, those of those verbatim where the other uses of the word climate without explaining how. Without explaining why, and it appears without a deep understanding of why and weather and it strikes me is like akin to. Giving up plastic straws but not, you know, avoiding takeout food and all the wasteful crap that goes along with.

[138:02] You know the stuff that we do every day that we don't think twice about we were picking the smallest things and saying well giving a plastic straws is better than nothing. You know and charging 25 cents more an hour for cars is better than nothing and Nick well but it's not enough, and so, to be able to actually say as Ryan did like in our messaging in our conversations with staff in our tmp update no actually we got to change the whole frickin system. it's not just an inconvenience that we can't talk about land use, it is essential that we have be allowed to talk about land use has. Really. I don't know galvanized my my. My support. Behind really, really trying to push the climate impacts of of our transportation and policy making and what staff is doing what they're being told to do by Council by the tmp by the city manager so thanks for that. Great Thank you. And Brian. i've already said alive today I I suppose I would just fill with the actually the question was it was sort of what where do we go from here, where do I go from here, I can.

[139:09] I one reflection is that wasn't reflected first. it's we now have a. Quite a relationship have does both counsel and with staff now. than we did six months ago and there's more there's just I think there's there's it we're on a trend of increasingly positive. and enriching discussions with both, and we are work I think we're doing the work now that I that I had imagined we wouldn't be doing. You know year ago, much more so, and I think part of it is it's you know it's like it's not about this like one. One annual letter it, you know it's more about just having a you know genuine relationships and and offering advice and if we're if we're only advice, although with counsel that you know we advise council which you can do more than advice, though I guess i'm just expressing.

[140:05] optimism in this the sort of way that we continue to go and i've enjoyed very much having Nicole here but also just you know meeting with individual Council members and I did encourage others here to just. yeah I mean we have count multiple county council members that are interested in these topics and. I think a well functioning tab looks like individual tab members relating to Council members to the extent, you know that there's a there's there's mutual interest in that and. Coming back, and you know we can start to help shape things so i'm i'm grateful for it yeah sort of where that is going, and then I suppose just more on the on the specifics for me yeah I mean i'd like to continue to kind of knows the climate. stuff forward and i'm great i'm glad to hear there's sounds like more and more interest in that being a kind of a group group topic either way i'm committed to.

[141:04] Following up with with natalie and Jonathan and then seeing where that goes, but more generally to. who advocate that we at least have some good transparency about, to the extent which the city is doing science based transportation climate action and then following the implications from there. So yeah more to come on, and then the other thing is I you know my little comment on the chat here, I said. Transportation policy is organized a budget I think most. People probably already agreed about budget or design might be controversial, that might be kind of a nerdy nerdy thing to say, but I truly believe it and. I think, especially with local government, I mean this this is policy is it it's it's it's roles and consequences and accountability and incentives, and this is where we're going to make it happen so. I I know it's kind of kind of messy and not like a conventional topic that we would normally weigh in on, and I want to be careful not to get too far outside of what you know, is our job or my job.

[142:02] But I do think that on this question, questions of line that with land use and parking we don't get that done without you know get help delving into both of the so i'm kind of mighty things and i'll probably continue to be, you know doing some moonlighting on. Great Thank you Ryan Alex. i've got a hard stop at five so try to be quick. thing. Cereals have in front of mine, for me, for the last three three years and so i'll keep the pressure on can and try to identify as many opportunities as possible there and then. it's been great hearing everyone's ideas, be happy to have coffee and think about how we take some of these objectives and make them more actionable within the context of. A very agile bureaucracy so. Especially Brian with sort of the messaging and what some of those those outcomes might look like.

[143:05] Thank you Alex yeah so you have this document you will make sure you all get a copy of the jam board and then maybe in spare time, some of you will think about ways of. Taking it doing something with it, I understand, trainees going to kind of work on the. For that come together, but there might be something else that you see in one is like, so the umbrella message and storytelling and how things fit within it that we had talked about. Because you have you I hear a lot of here's where my interest is and and what i'm going to do, and I think that's completely amazing and wonderful, especially as a Community Member I think it's amazing and wonderful and together. You know, advising counsel and and and those connections that you have you know the sort of unified voice is more powerful than the individual so. Thank you all so much i'm glad that that this felt like valuable use of time and we'll get notes to you and.

[144:02] Let you take it from there, and if you want to have another any kind of other retreat. Let staff, no okay. All right. Well done. Well, good to see you well.