April 12, 2023 — Police Oversight Panel Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] Oh, welcome. thank you! Welcome everyone to the April 2023 police, oversight panel month, General monthly Meeting. I am going to start with a native land and people acknowledgment. We acknowledged the Arapaho, Yute and Cheyenne tribes, the traditional custodians of the land on which the police oversight panel and the Boulder Police department operate, and we pay our respects to their, to their elders, past and present. and next we will move to an approval of our monthly minutes for our March meeting. I have a Do you have any objections to last month's minutes perfect? Then we get a motion to approve

[1:03] Perfect! I see Lisa motion. I will Second. And I think that's it right. Or do we need a full quorum vote on that one. Remind me we do. Okay, let's go ahead and vote to approve our March minutes show of hands for yay. 1, 2, I see. Lisa. See you, Jason and Sarah perfect anyone to reject. Excellent. All right. Next we will move on to our month or training schedule. Am I talking on this, or is there somebody else that's going to be? I'm happy to chime in. So, just to reiterate. We had our March eighteenth role of the be pop in the complaint and disciplinary process, and the role of the Vpd Professional standards unit with Alistair, Sergeant Alistair Mcnivven from the police department and flow. Finkel

[2:15] ran the first part of that. Thank you so much flow. That was quite an investment of time, but I think it was incredibly helpful for folks. Our next training that we have is on April 20 s Mike, Jenako and Farrah Musketen are the ones who are going to be presenting that next iteration of our training they will be virtual. But we are asking all of you all to come in person. We are going to do breakfast with the city manager at 9 am. So you'll have a and chance to have an informal conversation with Nuri. I get to know her a little bit better, and then also eat some yummy breakfast. G Giannis hooked us up there. She's got us a yummy breakfast ordered, so that meeting will start at 9 am. You should all have that on your calendars

[3:03] at 9 30. We will start the training with fair kicking us off. The history of civilian oversight, and Mike Tanaka will do the principles of accountability. Following that, the intention is to record both of those trainings. so we can also post those on the police oversight panel website before we start diving into community engagement, which we'll talk a little bit about around the ordinance. We thought that that baseline knowledge would help that conversation with some of our community members. Other questions. Yes, Melan. I'll be out of town on the 20 s. I I actually have something else plan for that. But I can probably reschedule to be present. If I could be on zoom as well. I would love to participate. Yeah, if you want to do Zoom. Sam, I are you still traveling? You come at home, ever? Sam?

[4:04] Yeah, yeah, i'll be back in May. Okay, if you need to do it via zoom. That's fine. But we will also be recording it. So if you're traveling, and you're vacationing. I hate for you to have to like pull over on the side of the road, or something like that, but it's it's both work and vacation. So I can. But yeah, I I would love to participate. Thank you for making the recommendation. I appreciate that no worries on that invite. It's a teams meeting link, not a zoom that's already set up. So if you go to that that meeting, link there's a there's a team. Right? Thanks. Going. Okay. Thank you for that, Corey. And then I also sent a note. There's a couple of different things. I sent a note to Sergeant Mc Nven. I know some folks have been asking about the right alongs, and so we will be getting information you can. I'll send an email out saying, here's how you can sign up to do a right along, and he compare you with someone.

[5:05] We also are going to be looking at the that list of trainings to time to kind of determine when it makes the most sense for you to do the next iteration of your training that really takes place more from the police side. So, learning more about some of their principles and policies, and all of that stuff. so more to come on that we trying to get you through this like dust and furious first part where you're really learning kind of the ropes of of the the processes that you're going to be using most and push those out a little bit later, those other training so more to come on that. And then we also have some goodies that we'll hand out out that April 20 s session. There is a book, and I don't have it in front of me because it's on my office desk Fair. Can you recall the name of it or flow the name of the book? How did evaluating and do an investigation As a resource?

[6:04] It's something like that. It's it's a lot of those things by Barbara Retard. Okay. So I ordered everybody a copy cause that would just be a good supplemental resource, for when you're doing your case reviews to have that on hand. I think that is all I have for training. Is there other questions so sterling? I did reach out to Sterling this week, and he is offered for folks who want to come and do a tour of the police department. We can make that happen. We'll we just need to send a doodle pull to see show of hands who would be interested in doing a walkthrough of the Public Safety Building sometime in may after our August. Okay, Jason Sam Millenn. Okay. all right. Well, we'll send out a doodle poll for those who've expressed interest. We'll send it to all of you. So if you've changed your mind, it's a good way to see the dispatch room. See how the calls come in. Things like that. Get a really good scope of of the lay of the land there

[7:09] any questions? That's yes, Jason. I I put it on the chat. But do we have access to all of the okay, it looks like it's being responded to the the Bpd Manuals. I I and I haven't looked on this website, so i'll look there, and if I have issues i'll raise it again. So if you start going through all, there's a ton of info on there, and yes, the rules and orders. I will say that the police department is in negotiations sometime over the next 8 weeks for their contract, so we'll, we'll learn more about what that process looks like, but hopefully they'll get another iteration of their contract. But for now they're still operating under the one that you will see on the sharepoint site.

[8:04] Are we involved in and making recommendations on that negotiation role? We are not at this point. Thank you. Yeah. I tried to weasel in myself didn't get there all right. I think we're going to turn it over to the next part of our agenda. Awesome. Thank you. So the only other item we had related to training, and sorry I kind of skipped over this part, was just as a comment for the community. We did have one training already. That was March eighteenth, and that was about the role of the panel in the complaint, disciplinary process and the role of Bpd professional standards units for Psu. The first presentation was by Oir specifically flow. That's with us from Oir, and the presentation on the Psu was Sergeant Mcnivan. We also wanted to offer up some time in case anybody on the panel had any comments or thoughts that they wanted to share. After that training

[9:08] perfect, okay. wonderful. And we will move on the next item on our agenda is a reminder that we have an upcoming quarterly meeting with our with Chief Harold. It is scheduled for April 20 sixth 2,023. So a couple of weeks here doesn't have a time listed on the agenda amy can you confirm for us what time that is that is 6, 30. You all should have that on your calendars that will be at the Penfield Tape Building. So for those of you who've been on the panel for a bit. That's a shift. So it won't be at the Public Safety Building. It will be downtown at the Penfield Tate Building, where we've done our other Orientations

[10:08] awesome. Thank you for confirming. I mean, you bet he cory real quick that one will. We're gonna need a zoom link hooked up for that. so community members can participate. And then also, so Sam can participate. Okay, I will change it from teams to zoom. And then all over your dinner that night as well cool. and I misspoke it is not Gianna who iss ordering breakfast she's wearing on my breakfast for next week. Cory's ordering us breakfast for the 20 s, so it'll be great awesome. all right. Next on our agenda we have our committee reports, so we'll start with the community engagement and Communications Committee. Does anybody have from that committee that would like to share?

[11:06] The highlights are updates. It looks like Victor. It's not here right. And I think Daniel was the other person. Lisa, Were you present at the meeting. Madeleine? I think you were at the Government or at the community engagement meeting? Perhaps. Yeah, I was. I was present. Victor was going to make the report, though. Hmm. I was there as well. I can read through my notes. I'm: not sure they're very clear. So I think the highlights unless there's anything that was like we needed to discuss at the meeting would be like if we cited any new co-chairs, or if you know meeting regular time. Yeah. So Victor and Daniel talk to us about you know what

[12:03] what they've been trying to do in the past what they would like to do. You know how they see it? Moving forward, and in terms of finding chairs and co-chairs, because there were some members who were not there so, and Dad being one victor, didn't want to be share or co-chair. Neither did daniel I don't think Daniel Code but and then Madeleine was not, does not have the time to do that, and I honestly don't either, but was willing to potentially explore being co-chair with, so that if she was willing to go that so we have not had a vote yet, and that's the status of it right now Perfect! That's that's lovely. Thank you so much for sharing me, Lynn. All right for Governance Committee.

[13:03] Lisa, Would you like to share for us? Well, sure, I don't have your notes to Dasa. I was actually just looking couldn't find them, but to the best of my recollection, well let's see because you are now our lauded pop Co-chair, you are ready to step down as chair of governance. So I took over there and then the bulk of our meeting. Was, I think, just going over some of the procedural elements of how we want to move forward with this work, and discussing a little bit about places where the bylaws, the ordinance intersect in places where they're separate and preparing for the year ahead of us. Does that sound about right? Sorry. Yep, that sounds perfect. We did elect Lisa our governance chair. so she will be leading those meetings for us and helping us kind of wrangle ourselves together. Yeah. And then the other items we discussed was, let's see. So we're keeping our Wednesday, Third Wednesday at the month 6 to 7 Pm.

[14:08] And we kind of selected. So we went over the specific parts of the bylaws that I had, that we had been raised to the Governance Committee beforehand in terms of amendments we'd like to make, and so we each kind of took a section, and we'll be working, and we're sniffing those sections each independently. And then next month we'll have sort of a coming together, and you know, if we're when those are ready, then we'll we'll present them to you all for about. I did look for those notes, and i'm not sure if i'm just looking in the wrong spot. But could you link them to me in the sharepoint? Yep, definitely. Thank you. Okay. wonderful, wonderful. All right. So let me go back, and then next, we have the Legacy Committee.

[15:02] I can take it perfect. Thanks, Sam. All right. So at our first meeting Chico and I were nominated and elected as co-chairs. We came up with a list of potential project ideas for like things to look into the data to study. and we we scheduled. One of our action items was to reach out to the City of Boulders City of the Police Department's data analyst, Daniel Reinhard. and, thanks to flow, really hustling on, that we actually had. Chico couldn't make the meeting this morning, but I got to meet with him and Sergeant Macnivan this morning for preliminary conversation and overall it's just promising, you know, because I was the only one there. I felt a little freer to just ask dumb questions, and I had a pretty good sense of like how their data is laid out after that. But I think that there was still so much to talk about, and

[16:01] we we kind of focus on technical details today, and, like you know, we only got to talking about like the projects in the last, like 5 or 10 min. so we decided that we'll have another meeting open to anyone here who's interested with them. Talking about specific projects and the data analyst, you know, has been kind of doing criminology for his whole career. So we'll have some interesting feedback for any of these projects in terms of like whether the data is available or not. And now that I kind of know how the data is laid out, I feel like a bit more comfortable. you know, like it's not such a one-sided conversation where like. because I feel like there's we have some responsibility, not to just like take the word totally naively right. We want to have our own perspective as well, so maybe we could get a quick show of hands for who anyone interested in this meeting, and i'll make sure you're included in the scheduling.

[17:00] Okay. I think that would make it a public meeting if it's more than 2 of you. just enough way. Okay. So so maybe we'll loop you in, Amy to help us make sure it's like properly advertised. And things like that. Okay. It's just making sure that we have it in a dance. And you know. Okay, that's a good reminder, because they yeah totally forgot. So I got the meetings. Are your subcommittee meetings. Those are all open to the public. And so if you are having a bunch of you in a space, yeah, hands Lisa and Jason Lisa. Then Jason, then adding up cool. Yeah. And Madeline and Mileen sweet. Okay. awesome. So i'll send everyone who responded with the hand a scheduling poll, and we can pick a time, and we'll find a time that works for us and

[18:13] forward it to them so that they can just like pick one of the remaining times sweet. I mean, there's enough interest that I wonder if it make sense to just include them on a sub commit like on the on one of our Legacy committee meetings. I I don't know. Yeah, yeah, You mean, like inviting just the the data doctor to our. to our meeting to our legacy meeting. Yeah, like with that kind of just logistically work better. Since then we don't have to do a big scheduling. I think that's a better alternative.

[19:00] Yeah, that I think I'm. Open to this great, so i'll see. Okay, i'll see if they're free to come to the next subcommittee meeting or a committee meeting. and if they at that time just like doesn't work systematically. Then we can do something more complicated. and i'll just quickly so one of the things we wanted to bring to this group from our committee meeting was, you know, whatever project we decide to do in terms of like, Look at legacy. the legacy of policing and boulder. It's not like that's not a question that's specific to the Legacy Committee. Right? We're just going to like, Make sure that's carried out and like the analysis is done. But everyone here potentially has some opinion on what questions should be looked at. So i'm just going to very quickly list the things we

[20:00] had thrown on the table so far, and I kind of leave with everyone else like the homework or challenge to think about other potential prop that you would be curious about, and to bring that to the next meeting with the with analysts. So we can like, Ask them all of these possibilities at once, and take a project based stuff like a combination of collective general interest and feasibility. Okay. So the list of projects that we had come up with last time are the following: One is juvenile interactions between the Pd. And the public. This was like the like ongoing project from before, like last year's term. another broad umbrella of issues is homelessness. A third one is the history of like complaints, and how they've been handled, and Fara had done this in Austin, and it kind of is relevant to us as a panel.

[21:01] Another one is traffic stops, and, like ethnic racial bias, because the Bpd has like done like this pilot program for collecting race and ethnicity of people. They stop that they haven't ticketed, and I don't know how far they've gone, and analyzing that data another one is mental health referrals. Another one is racial bias and interactions between police and the public when it was initiated from a call like someone phoned it in versus like the police, just like drove down the street, and, like discretion, made a discretionary stop. The last one was like in like like digging into, because the police have to self identify, like they visually identify people as like their ethnicity and race. We had another idea like drilling into that, and seeing how accurate the reports were. So, thanks to NASA for listing them out, the the notes, i'm just gonna drop a big link. These are the notes from last time, and they and I took notes, and they they they should be there, too.

[22:10] Okay, that's that's all the updates awesome. Thank you so much, Sam. very, very excited for or potential projects, and for this movement so very excited. Thank you. All right. Next, we have a status report on the hiring of an independent monitor. and I will hand that over to you. Yeah. So i'd hope to have a better update for you that we were live, and it was posted and ready to roll. But I am still waiting on the brochure from the recruiter. So, hoping to get that in the next week or 2, along with a timeline. So i'm sending the recruiter times where we're definitely not going to be able to do any type of interview process just based on calendars, people being gone, and things like that from my.

[23:06] from my space, from our human resources, Directors Calendar, and also from Nouri's Calendar. But it's looking like we will probably be doing some type of virtual interviews mid to late June with hoping late June or early July mid July doing in-person interviews. So just putting a PIN in that. We want a couple of you to participate in the interview day itself. If a couple of you are open to participating in that. And then we will also, of course, be hosting some type of community engagement event, but per, or at least the minimum well, and a reception, so at least you all can get in there and have one in one conversations with those individuals. So more to come on that. But do you start thinking if you're somebody who's like Gosh! Spending a day with the city staff and interviewing it possible. Independent police monitor sounds like a whole lot of fun. We would love to have you so. Just think about who might want to be able to do that

[24:06] Any other questions I will say one reason: this is taking a little bit longer, we did send the position back to to really evaluate some things that we've noticed over the past, over to the out the past recruitment process that might have had limited our pool. So we're trying to expand it so it can seem even more tempting. Wonderful! Thank you, Amy. All right next up on our agenda we have an update for our consultant on the police oversight ordinance work that's being done. I am that over to fair Excuse me, Hi, everyone! Good evening.

[25:01] I just have a few things. I'm super excited to get this work going for community who's watching. My name is Farah musketin consultant to the panel and helping to work primarily the updates to the the police oversight panel ordinance. I've spent probably the last, maybe month, having several meetings with various community members, current and former panel members, current and former Council members, various members of Community organization, selection. the Selection Committee, the I forgot what the committee was called, but it was the committee that basically worked together for a year and a half to create the panel. I spoke to a couple of members there, and these were awesome conversations. I learned a lot about the process, at least oversight task force. Thank you, Amy, and you know about kind of the expectations and the understanding about the panel, and it's work.

[26:04] And so I just wanna highlight some themes that came up in pretty much every single conversation there. There seems to be a little bit of a misalignment in terms of what people think the panel does, and what the panel actually does. And so we need to work at aligning that and make sure that there is a common understanding, and it's gonna obviously help with manage managing expectations. which is generally, you know, an issue with civilian police oversight. Anyway. the selection process came up in pretty much every single conversation, and working through some clarity about the actual process what's communicated making it more transparent, and questions about, you know whether or not Council should make the final decision. So those are some very insightful conversations, and then I would say the next that came up pretty consistently is, you know what happens when there's a disagreement with the chief on discipline.

[27:08] A lot of that has been referred to as an appeals process. I'm not quite sure. I would call that an appeals process, but that's how people that the stakeholders I've been talking to have called it. And so talking through what that means, what the expectations are on are on about that, and is that something that can be explored. The next thing I would say is the transparency, and this takes a couple of different routes. Transparency in terms of what the panel itself can make public and present, so that the community knows the type of work that you're doing, and then transparency on the other side in terms of what what can you say as a as a panel publicly? And so there there wanted to be some more definitive scope around both the transparency and I obviously can definitely relate to

[28:00] to the transparency coming from a city that is very limited, and my perspective on that is, that if it's not prohibited, it should be made public. And so I think what the sense that I got from talking to community stakeholders is wanting to see more more of the work that the panel is doing in a more kind of public way. And then, lastly, this came up in several conversations, was having access to potentially an outside Council to help advise. You know the panel on specific issues, particularly. It came out mostly, particularly when there's a disagreement or a question about the ordinance. Is there a way to have you know, another, an attorney that would be specific to the panel that the panel could call on as needed. And so those are, I would say, the top kind of themes that came through that were pretty consistent throughout my conversations, and I talked to a cross reference of people that were were very, very helpful.

[29:02] and from there I put a project plan together, and i'm really hoping today we can have a an open conversation about what I've called the you know, the police oversight panel work group that I that I could work with to work on the revisions to the ordinance and really work to, you know, kind of rolling up our sleeves, and really delving into the language and seeing, I think the gaps are pretty self evident. But seeing how we can minimize and reduce some of those gaps and provide greater concentration. And so I mentioned briefly a little bit of our project Timeline. What I put together was really like the rolling up the sleeves will happen in, you know, this month, May and June. i'm. Hoping to work with the panel to do a community event to get feedback from community members in mid June. I believe that would be tentatively.

[30:01] I'm just looking at the timeline. I have right here. The I believe it's tentatively the week of June, nineteenth. and obviously in person. and and then, obviously, they would be ongoing updates at every panel meeting there I factored in briefings to council, potentially a study session, and then presenting it to Council for it to go through that kind of formal process. I mean, you guys seem to be more familiar with that than me, but we are tentatively aiming for September the September 20 first Council meeting. So it is an aggressive timeline, but I think that we can make it. What I have told everyone in my conversations is that the wildcard that I cannot control is obviously community input and engagement. And so so, just so. I'm. You know, establishing that kind of expectation. We are aiming for September, but it really kind of depends on the feedback and stuff that we go, and how how

[31:08] of the direction conversations are going. I'm throwing this out there. I know that there's still some some decisions that need to be made with the Community Engagement committee. But I would really like to work closely with them on this engagement for June and have it be co obviously collaborative. It's not really my engagement. It's the panel's engagement about feedback on the ordinance. But i'd like to do that work through the committee. If that sounds good to everyone. and the last thing I thought this would be helpful. I offered it to the coaches, but it was. It was an offer to everybody is that I I think it's helpful to speak to people that have been in your shoes, or that in your shoes. So I have offered to facilitate a meeting with some former members from the Austin Community Police Review Commission particularly the co-chairs. and they are almost in the exact same situation that you have been. If we revamp that panel, and so kind of starting from scratch and building that, and hit some bumps so very similar bumps. You guys have hit. So I thought there could be some camaraderie, and maybe some commaseration with meeting with them and some words of wisdom. So I've talked to 3 former members, and they're very open to talking with you and having a meeting, and I in

[32:26] these are people I worked with very, very closely, and so I know that they will share their insights and perspectives with you, and be, however helpful they can, so that's pretty much the update. Sorry if I was talking really fast, but I'm really looking forward to again rolling up our sleeves and delving into the specifics of what needs to be changed in the ordinance. and then, obviously, I'm available to anyone via phone or email for questions in the meantime. But I do anticipate keeping you guys updated at every monthly meeting, so that you know, you know kind of where we're going any hot topics. And you know, just just basically keeping you up to date of the progress of the revision.

[33:14] So that is my update. I'm happy to take any questions if that's appropriate, Hadassa, or did I happy to wait, too. All right. Yeah, I think if you anyone has questions, feel free to the answer. If I is, there is there are there any resources in this whole process from Niko that can be used or not. Yeah, I think so. I I still have a pretty good relationship with Nicole and I. I've talked to them. I've been doing a lot of research, and so most of my research has been from Nicole. So I definitely think that that's there from my right previous work. I had the I call them my police oversight support group. There's a group of practitioners that I relied on pretty heavily, and so they are always available. So I think the answer to that is emphatically yes. I think it just depends on what it looks like. But

[34:16] yeah, they're a natural resource and my go to for pretty much everything police oversight. He so was that a hand? No, okay. Anybody have any other questions for there? Okay. awesome. Thank you so much for the update, Sarah. All right. About 20 min in. do you? How do you feel flow? Do you want to start your report, or do you want to take a break before your report?

[35:01] This is a very brief report. There are no substantive descriptions of cases to get into. It's just with this will take just a a minute or 2. Okay, sure. Let's go ahead and jump in Cory. Or can someone allow me to share the screen. Please Okay, go flow. You should be co-hosting. Sorry. Okay. Hi. Again. I'm. Florence spencer on on behalf of the Oi, our group serving as the interim intermediate police monitor for Boulder. This is the monthly statistical report, and

[36:07] the panel did not conduct any full case. File reviews in March, and so there are no case file review. There are no board recommendations that are pending police department disposition. All those cases have been closed. There are 11 cases that the panel has voted on to conduct full case reviews. Some of they are in different stages at this point, for case reviews are scheduled this month. 7 cases are pending the departments Completion of the investigation Oops. and in April the Monitor Class I'm i'm sorry in March the monitor classified for new complaints as misconduct complaints. Those are the ones that are. In the April case, summaries. There were no new, serious misconduct cases or community inquiries.

[37:06] and as of just a couple of days ago, April tenth, 2,023 there were on the Monitor Panel docket combined 21 open cases, and that completes my report. Perfect. Thank you flow. All right. Let's go ahead and take 5 min for a quick little bio break, and so I have 7, 12. Let's come back at 7, 18 to ensure that we get back full minute because I don't know how far. Oh, yeah, 7, 13 now. So 7, 18, please. Thanks. Everyone.

[40:45] Okay.

[43:01] We are at 7. 18 start coming in, because next up we'll do our case reviews. Thank you, Amy. I got so that's so. Do we have everyone back. So

[44:12] if you're not able to train on your camera, if you can just do a little hand just to let me know you're here. so we can start our voting good, as I can ask a question. So I think last time it seemed like there were some confusion with newer members about this voting process, and we were going to discuss it. I think briefly. This time it. I had an end to the impression that I would vote. Yes, if I thought something needed review, regardless of whether I wanted to review it. I would vote No, if I thought something would be a waste of the panel's time, but then it felt like a lot of situations where I don't feel like it would be a waste of people's time, but it doesn't raise flags for me, and so I was abstaining, and other new members were as well. and then it sounded like we were told that abstaining was not ideal, and I thought maybe we could just hear a little bit about why that is, and get on the same page before voting tonight.

[45:04] Sure, yeah. So the way that the process would does go is that you know, in this, in this part of the phase we, as a panel, are choosing, whether or not to review our case or not, and that would be by a majority or quorum vote. Sorry, can you hear me, everyone? And so, if we choose at that point, to not review that case. I. It does not get a quorum vote of 6, since we're 11. Then at that point it would stop. The process would stop for that complaint. It would have, you know the investigation was done by Psu. But we are not going to make any recommendations. Ps. You might still, because it does still go through their internal review process. But we would not be be looking at it. Yeah, no. I understand that's how it works. I think the question is more, If there's 3 folks that want to review a case, why should I block that review? If it doesn't particularly interest me? But I you know

[46:09] I I the no vote is confusing to me unless there's something that's obviously like an abuse of the Pops authority. I'm not sure why I would vote no on something if 3 people want to review it, and i'm not sure why I would vote. Yes, on it if I don't think it's it rises to a level of particular interest for me. because it's not so just about us. It's about all of us. Yeah. Sorry. So yeah, can you say more, Sara? Yeah. So it's not necessarily about what you care about it's about what we deem to be by a majority. I think we do simple majority. Now right by a majority worth reviewing. So it's not necessarily about what Lisa or Sarah, or whoever actually cares about. So does that mean that unless I think something is really a waste of the panel's time that you're suggesting that I should default to a yes vote

[47:00] no. I'm suggesting that you use your citizen best judgment to say yes, to review to something or no to review to something. Hmm. All right, Thank you. Hmm. And I think as we, as we as you start to do more, it'll kind of you'll kind of define what the line is for you kind of what you just said. It's Lisa like for me. It's unless it seems like a huge waste of time. I'm i'm i'm gonna say yes, so that's you know kind of where we you can. You can decide where you where you want to be in in terms of each case, and that's why we get to look at it and make that decision. But sorry, Sam, I see your hand go ahead. Yeah. I so I saw that reviewed in any cases, and I forget from the training as we like in the review? Do we get to comment on other aspects of the interaction? Or is it

[48:00] completely focused on the on the complaint? Because it seems like we, as the panel would sort of have. The most influence on the police is conduct if we review every case right, because then we see the most, and even if we don't on the face of it, it doesn't look problematic. Maybe there's something in the footage or this or that that turns out to be right. Yeah, yes, we definitely have had times where we've made so, and and it's always within our rights to make recommendations that aren't, necessarily just explicitly sustaining or not sustaining or deciding that something is. you know it's not just about the case. We can also make further recommendations and and say other things in our feedback to the police. How does it, I think, just to put context, there's 2 issues here that we need to be. Call me sent off.

[49:04] The first is that we at this for this public open meeting we elect whether we are going to review a case or not. Then, if we decide to review a case, that's when we go into details and whatever we can make recommendations, or whatever we wanna do afterwards. So there's 2 things that are going on here. So the I think we have to remember that definitely. Thank you. Chico. Okay. Any other thoughts before we jump into voting. Excellent. Okay, we'll start with case that ends in 0 0 8. There are 2 complaints against 2 different officers. Sorry there are 3 complaints.

[50:03] one against officer one. but violation of rule, one compliance with values, rules, and general orders. That's general order. 305 Yeah. Cannot order 3 or 5 and officer 2 had 2 allegations of rule, one compliance with values, rules, general orders, general order, 130, and rule one general order, 205. Okay, Can I see a show of hands to review? Okay, I have. I see you, Sam. I see you, Sarah. Thank you myself. all right, Thank you. And a show of hands to not review this case.

[51:06] Thank you, Jason and Chico. Sorry, Amy. I see your hand Go ahead on mute. Oh, you're still on mute, or we can't hear you. Okay. So I have 3 yeses and 2 nodes. Oh, right, Thank you. I had my hand up for. Yes, I know if you got me. No, I didn't sorry. Thank you, Lisa, for a Yes, thank you. Thank you. Okay. So I have 5 yeses and 2 nose. Madeleine. No. yes.

[52:01] Gotcha, all right. So that is 6. Yes, isn't 2 nose. Sorry, all right. 6, yes, and 2 no. So that is a majority. 2 review case, 0 0 8. Thank you. Everyone all right for case 0 0 9. We have several allegations. We have 3 against officer, one violation of rule, one combined with values, rules, and general orders, General order, 1 30 rule, 4 Respect for others and role, 5 police authority and public trust. So, Officer 2. There's an allegation of Row One compliance with values, rules, and general orders, General order, 130, and officer 3. There's an allegation against rule. One compliance with values, rules, and general orders. General Order 1 30 as well. Okay, Can I see a show of hands to review this case? Thank you, Lisa. I see you, Sam. See you, my Lynn?

[53:10] I see you, Sarah. and also against Bye. Okay. thank you all right, and a show of hands for no. you, Jason and Chico and Madeleine. Thank you. Okay, that is a majority vote to review case 0 0 9, All right. Case 0 1 0. Yeah. I have a allegation against rule against officer. One sorry rule, one compliance with values, rules and general orders, general order.

[54:04] 101 unbiased policing rule, 5 rural authority and public trust rule. One compliance with values, rules, and general orders. General order, 305 officer, 2. There's an allegation of rule, one compliance with values, rules and general orders, General order, 101 unbiased policing of rule, One compliance with values, rules and general orders, General order, 305 rule. One compliance with values, rules, and general orders, General order, 305, and rule one compliance with values, rules, and general orders, General order 205 A. Can I see a vote to approve this case? Review. Thank you, Sam. Sarah. I need to recuse from this case. Am I permitted to vote on whether or not the pop should take it.

[55:03] Okay, no. thank you. We will notice that. And I did have a yes vote for solid dot that let us know she was a Yes, you, Madeleine. Thank you all right. Can I see hands for a No, please. So Jason and she go? All right. So that is 6 to 2 for yes, to review case 0. Yeah. Sorry. My lines went down 0 1 0, all right. Thank you one down here. All right. Case 0 1 1. We have one allegation against one officer for rule, one compliance with values, rules, and general orders. That is general order. 203. Can I see a show of hands to review this case, please?

[56:05] Thank you, Sam. I have a vote from Solidar for myself and a vote for Lisa. Thank you. Okay. all right. Can I see a show of hands for no 0 1? One that's Jason. Thank you, Sarah Madeline. That is us. Okay. that is, and Mayland sorry. Oh, right? Because the soldier all right. So that is a 5 to 4 majority. Yes, to review case 0 1 1. Thank you. Everyone all right, and our last case is case 0 1 2 allegations against officer, one. There are a few here rule one compliance with values, rules, and general orders, General

[57:06] order, 305, The rule one compliance with values, rules, and general orders, General order, 3 of 5. There are 2 different counts of that rule. 6 use of force, general order, 225 rule, one compliance with values, rules, general orders, general order. 130 criminal process Rule one compliance with values, rules, general orders in general order, 305. So that's actually 3 counts of that against officer, one officer, 2. There are 3 counts, one against rule, one or 3 allegations, sorry compliance with values, rules, and general orders. General order. 305 row. One compliance with values, rules and general orders, General order, 130 criminal process and rule for respect for others against Officer 3. There's an allegation of row. One compliance with values, rules, and general orders. General order, 305. Okay.

[58:01] Can I see hands for a? Is it possible just to give us a bit of context on I was, I wasn't sure, from floor the last paragraph on how you get to the designation of community inquiry. cause that that would depend on that would drive whether I vote yes or no on this? Can we get into any details? Or would this need to be a closed session for no okay. generally allegation that someone someone complains that they did not. They did not commit and act. That is the subject of a summons or an arrest without anything more. We there it's my understanding. There is a long tradition that that is a community inquiry, because the proper venue for making complaint about that is in court.

[59:07] There are instances where such an allegation could be an allegation. For example, if it was a product of racial bias. We're in, retaliate. The summons or at rest, was made in retaliation for something a person said or did, independent of the alleged acted issue. Yup, Jason, I see your hand. Thank you. Normally I would vote against reviewing this one, but I I want to say that the frisk of this person concerns me. because I do not see any reason to think that this person is is armed or dangerous. and that is why I would phone. Yes.

[60:10] sorry. So how does the community inquiry thing play into this? If we vote? Yes, does it still go to us, or what? What are yeah, what are we even what's what's on the table for voting? The All the allegations listed would be subject to your review and recommendations. Yeah, I think it would still go through the same process. If we vote to review right, do we feel ready to vote Awesome. Okay, Can I see a show of hands for yeses to review this case. Thank you, Madeline. I see you May Lin and Sam and Chico I and Jason. Thank you. I'm also a Yes.

[61:02] and Sarah, I see you. Thank you. All right. Can I see show of hands for a No. Lisa? And thank you. Okay. So that is a Yes, to review case 0 1 2. So that was a across the board. I think we had our hand up from. Yes. okay, Sorry. Thank you. All right. Let's do it. Thank you. Thank you. Perfect. All right. So that was 7, 2, one, All right. So we are reviewing. So who, Corey for scheduling? We are going to be reviewing all of all 5 of these cases. Okay, now, we need to assign people to do all the work

[62:02] select for Okay, 0 0 8, I guess if there's yeah who wants to review case 0 0 8, like as in B on the case. Review itself. All right. I see, Sam. I will jump on that one. Okay, we just need one more. Sarah. I see you. Thank you. Awesome. Okay, 0 0 9. See you, Lisa Sam and me, Lynn. Thank you. And is this going to be a first case? Review for all of you all that we're scheduling this 1 0 0 9, May Lin Lisa and Sam.

[63:08] I don't think so. I think I guess it depends on when it happens. But Milan and I are also doing the one on May Third, which I think happens probably before this only before. Okay, okay, perfect. I'll just say, like, if you need somebody. whoever can throw me in any. Okay, perfect, all right. 0 1 0 people to review this case. So the Dodd is on this one. I see. I will throw my cell phone there. And Madeleine, Thank you. Perfect. Okay, 0 1 0 1 1 s. It's Hadasa on 0 10. Who do we have? Soly, Don

[64:00] and Madeleine. Okay. yeah. all right. And then 0 1 0. So with that is also also volunteered for this one. Madeleine is your hand up for 0, 1 one also? No. i'm guessing. No, it looks like she's trying to take it off. All right, I will say yes to this one. Sol it on myself and Lisa. Thank you. Okay. And for case 0 1 2 great. All right. Thank you, Jason. Thank you. My and Madeleine and Chico one 4. Yeah, Jason, my Lynn Madeleine Chico.

[65:02] And that one, too. Sure. Yeah. Same. Awesome. Okay, we are all set. Thank you. Would you? Could you repeat the members for 0 1 0, Jason, Milan, and myself, and one other for 0 1 0. I have sole that myself and you No, no, 0 1 2 is Jason, me Lynn, Madeleine, Sam, and I believe Chico said also. Yes, it me too alright, great. Thank you all right. If that is all for cases, we will go to public comment. and I believe. And he said she could do the directing for us.

[66:02] There is one person in line for public comments. Okay. Tricia Holland. I wasn't sure if you wanted to make a public comment you would like to. You can unmute yourself and feel free to sync. Thank you, no comment for me, but thank you all for your work. Thank you, Trisha. We appreciate you being here. Awesome. Well, I think if that is it, unless anybody has anything else we can give you back about 45 min of your time this evening. Wonderful thanks. Everyone Have a lovely night. Thanks for this. Thank you. Thanks. Everyone Good night. Good night.