December 7, 2022 — Library Commission Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[0:00] Okay, well, seeing this is 600, and 4, i'm gonna call this meeting to hold up. So welcome to December, 2022. 's Library Commission meeting, thanks everyone for joining us. We have so many of the Scope in the Zoom, and then the rest of the Commission is Present, here in the Front end Billing so could stop professing on the Agenda is Zoom, meeting Guidelines, but it Looks like It's Just us. So we will skip that one and and then I'll monthly reminded to log out hours, and counting in I will let you do like us to do that celia just tell that to me or put It you in the chat okay, so let's get our Hours to end of today, of the end of the Meeting I I'm so excited about being here in person, because I've been on this commission here 2 years, very excited

[1:19] Okay, so then let's move on to the approval of the agenda. I'm actually gonna add one item before we do that after we hear from our guests, Chris barge, and about the Foundation, let's add in a review of the questions for the Commission Application, so we'll add that in between number 6 and 7 is anybody, Else does anybody have any of this Anybody have any problem with that, okay, and does anybody else have anything else like to add to the agenda, or to reorganize agenda.

[2:03] Okay. Well, then, let's move forward I can number full public comment. It seems that we have no members of the public here. So let's move on to reviewing, November Second Meetings meeting minutes sorry Does anybody have Any changes or Corrections with those Okay, so let's move on to is anybody. would anybody like to make a motion motion to approve Second. Thank you alright, so you have a guest thanks to being here. Chris everybody knows is this the Director of the Light Foundation.

[3:01] I feel like this is a really excellent time to hear from you with the passing of the measure. 6, se. This is a good time to hear where the foundations at and what's going on? So thank you for being here tonight. Oh, great, so Hi, Celia Hi Jennifer, and I just say, Hello, to you on the way in I was busy distracted by the Pizza Thanks for having Me and you know please tell me how this type can be useful I I guess I could give you just sort of an an update on what's happening on the foundation side of things, and how we're you know thinking about this end of the year and the year, ahead, you know I I was calling this coming year, the year, the Boulder public Library just at the Calendar, turned over, in January you know, I mean, we had this potential big ballot measure, and also the Groundbreaking coming of the First Branch in a generation and it's it's just so gratifying to be a Part of that as you all have been and work with you

[4:10] All on the passage of 60 that was terrific, and now that it's passed couple of things. I think just the the foundation side we'll be looking at Really, really, Stephanie into our role, more and more, as admits for the Public Library really we've had an incredible advocacy arm that was the Border Library, Champions, and as a Political Committee they Don't have any Business, being in business anymore, and they're really Thrilled With that? But what can we do now that if the library has been really on the minds and on the lips of everyone in this community, more than I think, in recent memory, and so as some of these next steps are happening, and City, Council and kind of Commissioners are Working on Appointing the

[5:04] Next Board of Directors you know, I'm I'm gonna be interested in in the foundation being either communication with the Council with kind of Commissioners and also here at your end with every single one of our Donors helping them understand that you know whether they voted for this or not this is what We've all signed up for now and first and Foremost. It's a it's a great thing from the libraries perspective, and it's also now per providing a floor for terrible donations. To sit on for so long. We have No. 4, and I mean, we talked for almost 50 years as a foundation. I understand, about well, should we be quiet about our existence with city council, because what if what if they just lower the amount of the appropriation? When they find out what we're going to give this year. It was a silly battle, but that doesn't exist. Anymore. I mean by definition, There's there's a floor. Now I mean, we we get what we get every year. It's similar to a school district in that way which is terrific.

[6:04] And and so, that's what I'm out there, talking about with our donors. Is hey now more than ever, we're not just here back filling. Provide helping, the library, provide the sorts of services that the Public assumes, the Government, 4 min paid for in fact your Donations are going to help us dream about what Bells, and Whistles Could be put on this Library, what can we do in Alignment with the 10 year Master plan that We've, got and so Speaking of the 10 Year Master Plan I don't know if all of you know, you might we just got news last week that we were able to Secure Grant of $700,000, from the Colorado Health Foundation in Order, to Build the Outdoor, Spaces Around, Novo so my Understanding, was that with as as you know that there was some contraction that had to occur with the escalating construction, costs of Nobo and anytime, there's a Delay it gets More Expensive and all value engineering and results it basically in dreams, but Dirt you know, for the opening

[7:14] Day, Plan, and now it won't be or hopefully opening Day. It'll be a the beautiful, you know, the plans that that were there, and what I love about the approval from our States. Largest private foundation of this is. They are affirming the work that Antonio, that and the Growing Up, Older Partnered on they are Affirming, that this is the way you build, equity, in the built environment, that in fact is what they're, New Funding Stream, that they opened up is called equity in the built environment. They have a really complicated great framework. For how to get there, through multiple steps, over much, a lot of time and and the fact that first, we had applied for a planning grant which would have been $25,000,, because we just assume that they wouldn't think we were ready I mean a couple of years had passed this plan had been on the

[8:11] shelf, for a while, during the pandemic, and they said, No apply for an implementation, grant and It it was for somewhere between 250 and 700,000, available, and the fact that they gave us the Max was such an affirmation. Where they were able to set aside their Complicated Framework, that is a very good framework about how you make sure you're listening to community voice and athetically, delivering what the Community is Asking for They were really excited that it was the the location specifically right over the fence from our Large mobile home Park, in in the city, and they took a close. Look. They Interviewed Antonia about the community voice that had been brought into the process. They liked what growing up older and done so closely with the Area Elementary School especially like Crest, View, Around, the Corner, and they said, yeah, no. You know, you're you're ready. So in fact, I'll Monday and Tony and I and in the the Playground architect Kerry White, from urban place to you are gonna have our first, meeting to talk talk, about this it'll be you know a few

[9:20] community meetings, to do what I'll call like the last Mile of Community Engagement, and then hopefully by the time the Bobcats are out of the Way, Enough They'll be Installing, these Outdoor Amenities, and you know There's, Crossed that it all Lines, up to where does it Ribbon Cutting for the building and the grounds, you know, all at once, So I hope that this is how the foundation can add value moving forward one of the ways, and you know I'll I'll be constantly interested in what you all hear about in terms of Opportunities. For funding and I've already got my eye on another opportunity it's too early to talk about, but that that would be one area, We'd like to develop speaking of areas, we've, been Developing we we those of you Scott, and and Stephen and David have been real Involved.

[10:14] In this, you know, we approved our comprehensive strategic plan for the foundation the service for the next 3 plus years, and I'm working now on finalizing our employment plan of that basically it, Covers 4, Categories, that you would Expect from a foundation you know number one We're Fundraising, number 2, we're about advocacy and awareness, about the Value of the Public, Library, in the Community, and about you know, let's help the Community Move When there are Issues Needing Advocacy, it's about Communication, and finally, It's about Running a Strong Organization, Sustainably and so We're gonna be working on the implementation plan with that, and so that kind of driver is the fundraising and one other Aspect We've been Working on is Building a legacy Circle plan giving program and We've Managed To bring a Few.

[11:10] new folks into the program, and I was just on the phone, You wouldn't mind me saying our Former Board share moved to the Seattle Area. Tim Williams, will be our our newest member, because he's just done some mistake planning, and included us in his will. So you know, piece by piece we're, we're just trying to build up all the different ways that people can get involved philanthropically, in support of the Library this this transition with standing up with directors, I I set a memo over to city Council as well, as to County Committees, just in the last day, or 2, and you know, just letting them know hey? Older champions. Now that sixties done are disbanding as a political group.

[12:01] You can expect to hear more from the Boulder Library Foundation on Advocacy around our Border, Public, Library, and Right off the Bat Excited, that you're moving the fact that you are moving is important Voters want to see progress on this and you know resources, for you to look at As you're starting to select who your directors are. You know, should be current and past border library Commissioners should be the members of the Library District Advisory Committee, and then you should think about it in terms of the skills, Rubric you know what needs what is the work, of the first year In particular and and what Geographic, and Skill-based gaps, do you see in Coverage of the whole district, and in skills that would be particularly helpful and really just tried to Give a message of hey, I know some of us had some differences about policy in terms, of whether this was the right proposal, but now that it has been passed.

[13:08] I know that we are all wanting for it to succeed, we we want our our libraries to drive, so that does anybody have any questions about anything, any response to your letter, yeah, martha reached out. Thanked me and said just ask for clarification. She haven't heard yet about who the 2. It's aaron Brockett and Nicole Spear on the City Council. Side, and so I provided her just you know, let her know you, she and Claire would be working with them, and then got a nice note back from I had copied Commissioner, elect yeah, help me actually Stolen Yeah thank you It's been Terrific cause you know I mean huge Champions, in fact, a champion. Yeah, a Bulgar Library champion, for the Cost.

[14:06] That was Tim Williams, did you know? Okay, yeah, he was in line to be our next chair. And and then he just got an opportunity to lifetime. On a place that he bought. He's been spending a lot of time with the Forest Service out there, helping them in his words, do the sorts of Things, the government used to pay for so he's out there thinning for Us and doing Fire Mitigation in a much more Lush Environment, he assures us, than what you. Find here in colorado so, who's the correct check? Can we turn? Yeah, we we have co-chairs. Okay, and so Alicia, who has been chair for a while. Is paired up with Nicole, say here, and they are. They're, co-chairs, and then we have, in addition to them on our executive committee, a secretary, that's Jenny, and a treasurer, Isaac Andres, and the Idea, would be when Alicia Rolls off the Board, when She's term Limited

[15:06] about a year Nicole would be the chair standing alone. Okay, the grant that you received. Well, no, that that you received it. I'm Sorry Amazing well done! When when will you be and that like, when will that be public and and the great agreement says, there'll be a wire into our bank tomorrow. Oh, wow. Yeah, so, once we have the money in hand. I'll feel comfortable. Following, their guidelines. And they say, Yeah, go ahead, and hubble, sizes and so I. We are in the middle of Dialing, for dollars, And so I'm gonna you know you can expect at least by Monday. Maybe ahead, of maybe before. Then, and the way, I'll do. It is you know, is a press. Release out and we'll see what traction that gets. But then we'll we'll put Boss out to our constituency as well, is there, any match from the City Required, or anything like that and or any contribution from city side, so City Doesn't even have to approve or accept the get cause, it's, coming to

[16:26] Yeah, whenever that's formed and ready to receive the money we'll we'll see. I mean, we'll we'll deal with the timing and the payment, but as far as the Car of a Health Foundation is concerned. The Boulder Library Foundation is their grantee and we're going to see to it, that these amenities are built. Yeah, obviously, we don't do that in a vacuum we don't actually do the work. You you know we are here. what's beautiful about this particular on the agenda. Yeah, I mean, it had to be taken off the plate because of budget shortfalls, and so We're not dialing up.

[17:06] Dreamy idea where we're simply implementing what the plan had been, but had to be taken off or at least put on pause. Yeah, the the plan for the playground. Was I think, half baked right, like, there are some elements of it that we had landed on with the community, but then we were still doing community Engagement. At the time I went to Pandemic landed. So we had correct alder massive engagement with and older students, but the feedback, that they gave. I'm sure that I mean that was shared with Colorad health and the kids had come up I mean, these kids that come up with it. You were a Panelist it was fascinating. I had such an incredibly good ideas. And really sensitive to a lot of the Considerations. That same cause we said what our considerations were about access and how long ago was that the panel 2020 20 yeah, it was done badly

[18:08] A community engagement plan feels half big, A, and affirmation from an outside funder that no you're ready for implementation the design the design of the and Speaks to your standards, we had the Library, that you think the Years of Community, Engagement, they got Us to a Point to Win a $700,000, grant, could be, anything but totally spit, polished. Yeah, and that's how the rest of the world is affirming the really really good work at the Library. In this case is my kids are impressive. They want participants in any of this. But it was interesting I think you guys probably remember when Holly Davis, the principal, had said, like what the kids got motivated through staying online in the Pandemic was this Project, so this Project was their most Fun and Exciting Project that they played through in that 3 to 4 months.

[19:00] Of yeah, school Closures, which was a nightmare but but it's the case they got participating in this. They did such an amazing job, crazy stuff, that's great and We're in a different hand. I worked for democratic schools and managed all like new school construction, and bonding room stuff but there was the whole concept of yeah, these Learning, centers, Right in in playgrounds, we can you Know, sort of I had it in my head, the name of like sort of this program, but it learning labs and you know that kind of thing, but to and and it ended up being sort of a bond, funded initiative to have these you know sort of learning landscapes that's what it was in, you know schools so the district and that became like this great selling point for bond program. You know, just is our school getting a learning landscape, right, you know. And so that's what that was aligned with. But but there's so much documented value, of shaping the kind of Output spaces within 4 kids. That's just pretty powerful. I think you personally, should say like you know, it's been X number of years that you know whenever like a nonprofit impulse it's like received a grant like this you gotta highlight that I mean I don't know that I just can't even

[20:20] See about when the last time you know that kind of independence, right, you know, in terms of like not having to be boosted up by another organization, or a city, or a hospital, or whatever it's like that's a big deal yeah, I it is a big deal, I have no idea how to Quantify, how how this stacks up against others. But I I do think that it was one of those Match made in heaven situation, where a new funding opportunity is looking for this sort of a Project and it it affirm the incredible work that that the Library did and it's that it's it's.

[21:05] that com, community voice focus, that, I'm, so excited. About the culture of the new district, carrying with it. You know, bringing from this library into that library it would be really great to be engage those kids from the Park so they were third graders. So they'll be 7 traders. Centennial by the time it's 5, 7, all right. It's very dependent on when we get stumped. But it would be really great, because to re-engage those kids by the time they're, 7, or 8. Right. They will also have some maturity or perspective to have some interesting feedback, on something that they remember doing and it will stand out to them because it was the year of the Pandemic I'm sure and I should say get gotten through it be really great to see if we could re engage in guessing

[22:06] Actually Re-engage, the Kits, yeah. I'm committed to that I know, Maris committed the director of growing a boulder. So we'll we'll third in fifth grade. Yeah, I remember speaking to that greatest there's also an opportunity to align with parks and rack, that is developing all fields. Right next to this property, you know, by a part that I guess it's the strip. It's a long violet isn't that right on the North side of Violin and what an amazing out. To our cultural complex is this, is gonna have ball fields. At Violet Park. You'll Have Outdoor, man, he's all around the library, at the Library itself, and then if the Plan Carries through and be Moka, you know, is is Able to put what they're Talking it's Cultural Campus you, know and and Playgrounds and parks, where there was an UN of that. So so yeah, that's a great bmoka seems more and more.

[23:06] Likely they hired like the best curator of Denver, they like stole the dams most famous curator and she's. The new director. I was like, really, but, yeah, there was a bidding War in the car, or a history, museum, and Imoka were bidding for her and trying to steal away from the Dam that Bemoka, Got her and She's, Amazing it feels Like it made it Be like well, that be milk expansion might actually happen in that area. So so exciting, that is cool. It's kinda like while I realize the ball parks are going to be there, too. And they, yeah, that's being made possible by a big grand of similar size. I remember reading about maybe 6 months ago. And I it was a government Funding stream, once they dola something like that maybe did the City own that land there, that country At the same time we pitched for the Library Funding, and they were not ready at that time that they obsessed secure they got a large grant actually to do some of the work in that file and then you have a big piece of the puzzle is in the context right now

[24:15] of doing a lot of massive fundraising, and they have plans they have a lot of property there in North Pole, They're, just to do, a pretty significant campus, so it's now in that area. But it's pretty small footprint, but they intend to build a fairly massive campus which when I saw the plans included a I think it 250 feet later, Wow, that's so cool we go North, folder, one of the question on the master plan your master plan strategic I'm Sorry is that going to be public

[25:00] Kind of categories of Work, that i outlined you know, go in more Depth interviewed by the consultant really really great through a job for Us and then I Don't want to Miss out, out, people joining Us, on Zoom, sorry if we keep talking if anyone has any questions or comments, okay, can you hear us, okay, Sofia and it's good. Okay. Good. Okay, well, everything sounds so promising and exciting. So thank you. So much for coming to join, one more thing that just relates to maybe Christmas in the beginning about you, know, you know, have you, know the voters spoke in and We're Moving forward. But I wondered about some way to sort of engage. And can connect with the 49,%, or whatever that number is, of voters, who oppose the and

[26:10] I don't know. I'd like some way, but but I just think it was such a professionally run effort. And there wasn't you know, much slinging kind of stuff, it's the positive side of the Campaign, but I agree with you, and it. What I think about is the polling that happened in april found that up to 74%, we're we're ready for approving some sort of funding proposal for the Library now, clearly that Titan we'd expected it to but I'm still Thinking, in broad chunks about how 3 quarters of the residents of this district are so incredibly big. Fans, of Libraries, they're ready to pay something for something else.

[27:00] Extra, we lost some of them who said, Well, not that way, and that's how I'm looking at it is okay, so you didn't agree with this policy. Proposal, but it does not mean that you're not a diehard library, fan, and what I want. This next year to do is to have the district formation and some of the Activation with the new Funding coming in with like 5 priority Areas. Davis, talked about start to calm the nerves of those who vote against it, and say actually this is working out pretty well, I you know I'm maybe I'm still Grumpy about this on a Policy Level but I love our Libraries and I Love their libraries are Getting, better and better yeah. That's, kind of the the dream for me is to get us back to that 3 quarters of town feeling like plugged in about being. Jazz about the library. I didn't do it. And I missed any Gatherings of folks after the Election. But I just wondered about expanded areas of the district, was that both positive in favor you know, like by the precinct we did look at the precinct Breakdown it was Overwhelming I mean, the Area, Surrounding overwhelmingly

[28:16] They were getting something. I'm surprised at how far out how high a percentage of people that got bare uploaded for migrants, have precincts more than 70% so the areas where we did not do well we're West of Broadway and so West of Broadway from Downtown all the way here. I can't remember what the precinct up near Gold Hill. Did. I I think it was I I it seemed to me like every precinct. Eastern Broadway. Everyone. If you looked at the den City of Housing Areas, we did exceptionally, so wherever there was Dense Housing Mapleton

[29:11] Was a negative answer. who votes early, when you start to answer that you start to understand how every subsequent chunk of ballots, there wasn't one that wasn't in favor they were 55, to 63 in favor, every single of that last, third, of The boat, and so then I think about who is too busy to vote early. It's very different than enjoy where it's opposite about who goes. Early who votes, late but in older Colorado, the early vote Tends to be seniors, and people with time to to really really make up their mind before they even receive the Bell language also also the bell language is favorable to us I mean it said do you want a better library for 3.

[30:07] Point 5 mills who knows what? 3.5 ms, I mean and But also lots of very informed voters had been tracking this for years. I know I didn't drop my ballot off. I mean, I'll have myself until the week before you know and that was early compared to some friends. I have a busy life. so you do see a pattern between that first 2 thirds, early vote and the last, two-thirds which was slightly against Versus, Overwhelmingly, for by Comparison I Think it's, an Excellent Question All the Entities, Around the Library, Need to continue to Consider is, how do we reach out to people? How do we make this process really open and people find the information out that they need to know about what the next steps are and if I recall start at the library, foundation meeting early this month or last month brought up the same brought the same sentiment I

[31:04] Don't know, Scott, if you wanted to talk about, some of the ideas that you had, or if I'm am I miss remembering that comment or conversation stuff If you want. If you want to start see when otherwise I'll just jump in No, Justin go ahead, Scott You know they're the the major concern that I recall from that meeting was that there were some people who were a little bit I don't know how to describe it frustrated angry whatever it might be with how certain segments of the opposition acted in terms of say the business, community, or in terms of some groups that were or spreading with they felt, was misinformation, or false information, and that there there was there were some there was some sentiment that they're like you know, we really don't wanna deal with these people but there were a couple there's, one board. member said to listen. we you really need to and he's a former business owner, and he was saying you really need to pass that and then invent.

[32:06] What I I mentioned is that they're really really what's happening. Now is the library, district, in the foundation will be playing for what I call the next game, and by that I mean at some point. If the district needs to ask for a mill over the increase they're gonna need to engage public again, if they're going to want to You know, do something, whatever it might be. They're gonna need to engage the public and They're gonna need to to work with those those individuals, and groups that were on the opposing side. And so I say there, then, now it needs to be the focus, as I say, should be on the next game. You know this game is over now we gotta focus on the next one thing, as Chris was saying, how do you connect with those people who were were against it.

[33:00] And there's. I you know the people. I'll be really honest the circle that I went that I that I know 100% against the district I don't know I Don't know anything within my family, or some certain people that I knew that voted for the district, and and I understand why they Voted, against it it was strictly in my view, it was strictly a policy decision, and they had they looked at looking at some different issues. And again, it was not that they don't like the library, but they were looking at some things, important things in their view, in terms, of increasing taxes. Then it would have the capacity to go up and in an unlimited fashion. And they were looking at it from saying, you, know, there's a number of other Bowed issues on it. You know property taxes going up so much so that was that was kind of the group that I was hearing, from and and to work with them. And and even you know the the if you read the different, you know the different letters, to the editor, of their or the business, community, was actually pretty well, divided there were a lot that were strongly in favor, of the district, and others, like no we're not gonna vote, for this so it's going to be

[34:17] Necessary to as I say play for the next game and work with those groups, and and and and I think it was one of the foundation members, said, you know the the the goal is going to be to to demonstrate to those opposing groups, the value that they're getting for what they're paying for if If we don't, if we don't show that to them that they're getting value, they're gonna say my money is just gone, you're just taking it. And there's no value. So that's gonna be I think part of the challenge is to show those groups hey, you're getting value. For this, this is why and on and on. And you, know, we've got data to support that

[35:00] I wouldn't be considering no levy. I mean that's like down the line that's not even yeah. Not anybody's Lifetime here, Size, the District and the Limit to Growth within over Likelylihood of Us, doing another Major Project in the next 20 Years pretty Slant right where it might occur as if the Growth in East Boulder happens in matter, which they Project or if they do Something with Area. 3 in north, border. They do something with Area 3 and North Alert is going to make the North Border Library seem too small, like one of that happens. But it's very unlikely that the city is planning to invest in the infrastructure. And such a way to make that land, powerful and doing it would require a vote in public which they're not gonna be likely to give up. You know all the West to 36, one person.

[36:01] Yeah, one part, so at least in a East boulder, is a place where crops will occur. How much Growth is you have to be defined, but they're almost finished with the east Boulder Subcommittee plan will be able to work off of that plan and look at where development, happens whether or not meadows Library could change in some way could it expand could it become larger could it Move, to a different location. Will there be another location? That is required in East, boulder, We're along the rap out Corner. I don't know right like, but those are all. Those are 20 year horizontal it's not nothing. We have to prove living within the budget right in these early years, and it's a successful governance transition, and so I guess that is the best you know sort. Of gift you can give to you know somebody who voted against it. Yeah, okay. Well, thank you very much.

[37:16] Okay, well, we get a Move on and at in the Additional the Items, Additional to the Agenda, which is to review the questions Cool to create a new to Interview, a new Library Commissioner so in April, Will Be might Miss out and There'll be a New Mission so these Questions. So we have. So we need to get these questions reviewed this evening. So that we can get this message, because if we remember from our last meeting we're actually late to that deadline, but in our last meeting, we didn't follow whether the the measure was gonna pass, or not so that's, why we delayed answering the reviewing these questions, and revising these questions.

[38:14] So this is something that we need to do tonight. So that Celia and Jennifer can get this, into the city. So and there's can. I just maybe use this. But and there's the thinking that somebody would actually think to apply to library question in this stage of transition has of today. Yes, they will be replacing the they'll be filling the seat and so, as of today. That person will probably sit from april until December while the the that might be district, is set up. And so we that we do need to have questions to ask that person. These are the questions that go out in the application. And then typically I have written response, we have in place 5, questions.

[39:07] So if they were sent out in addition to this meeting packet, did everybody get those. Okay, so, we all know what we're Working from Should we have, how will. We like to do this would be like to each question and decide whether we have changes to it or whether we're gonna remove that question from the application does that so I do remember last year and reviewing this and I thought, we had changed some of these last time, but please don't they Still look, the same, these were the questions that went in the application I'm just in last year, when we reviewed it, we'd suggested I thought agreed on some changes, to the questions and the way that they were phrased like for example, I'm gonna start the Bottom that number 9 some members of The public, perceived that the Library has a problem, I mean it.

[40:03] I think I had suggested that we had agreed like you know it's something like you know there's a perception that the Library has problems Providing safe and secure, Environment and I don't know hey That's Hey? Jane, I actually have a quick question. Because I'm, I'm obviously I can't open up the file because it was just take me forever. Okay. But is there, a way that you can share those questions, on the Zoom Screen. Okay, drop them in the chat, maybe Thank you. Yeah, just do something. Put them in the chat, put them on the screen, share whatever Oh these would say, the the question, unless the the city has send us back questions from the previous year? These are the questions that went outlawed and then were changes made to these questions last year. So, I believe that this I do remember having a long discussion. Lengthy discussion about how we're gonna change them. But this is what was agreed upon last year.

[41:01] And this happened to See last Year's email related to this, because it popped up and that's fine Okay, should we sorry. Just circling around through these questions. I mean do you want to go question my question, Jane, if you do that I think we should do that questions asked by the CC, and then these would be the one specific to the library commission so in in an application, you could be applying to the planning board or right and it was the We had a conversation about like answering a question, yes, or no, when the answer obviously should be yes, right. Have you participated in other community organizations. I mean, like who's who would say, no like you know and then it says, please describe so I know, but if you haven't like it just seems like it's it's a very ugly, phrase question but I thought maybe I'm

[42:13] Dreaming that we had a conversation about this, but it just never makes sense to me to ask a yes, no question. It maybe it's better to more, friendly to phrase it to say. You know describe how you've been involved in community community engagement, or community organizations sort of we can make that change. Have you participated in other community organizations. Did you get that soon? Question 5. So to be. Face, please describe your experience. Previous community organizations in other 2 years, okay. The next question. Have you reviewed previous connections? Then we still got. How has your involvement in the community you to applying for life, which, I think, works with that is everybody.

[43:11] Okay, with that. You know, I'm thinking with number 5, what might make sense, because we've got a question that's Kind of I was just saying pretty obvious then we have a very short sentence with third, why don't we just take the please describe put it beginning to say please describe how you have participated in other community Organizations that gets the same information. And it's not necessarily as It's not that necessary, that yes, no opening phrase. And it all gets people to start thinking about that right off of that Are you taking notes on this with the do you feel, constant, that those we'd end up with a new set of questions or do you want me to take them.

[44:00] As we go, and then read them back to, or send them. Thank you so much. Okay, so that would be the revision to question 5. Does anybody else have anything else to add before you, want to questions, say no, not for question. 5, hey? Question 6. Have you reviewed previous Library Commission, meeting minutes or documents related to the Current Library master Planning process? What thoughts, do you have about the recent decisions and or Plans okay. And similar to the other question does it Make sense to start with a yes, no. Question and the obvious answer is yes. So how about considering a review Documents related to the Library Master Planning Process, What thoughts do you have about decisions in our plans

[45:03] Any Feedback on that Sylvia Scott jumped in. I know it's Holida when you're on zoom, okay. Yeah, I think those are fine. I think there it is a little I remember. Cause. I I just filled this out a few months ago. I do remember being struck by how some of the questions were worded. So I I think that anything we can do to just incorporate the same idea in one sentence is probably preferences. Cause. I did spend a little bit of time going. you know, is this the same question, am I just repeating what I've answered for the first sentence. So I you know, if you could make it if we could make it simpler in some ways. Thank you. Okay, so, any other changes to question 6, I think we're good.

[46:02] Okay, so moving on to question set the vulgar, public, library balance is Traditional Definitions of Life services with innovation around informal learning collaboration literacy and 20 first, century skills in your advisory, role what's your vision for the future of our library I like this question, actually, I think it's good it asked people to to consider with, library functions. Now I move to keep this question, as it is does anybody. Mind, if you say, what is instead of what thank you. Alright, so we're all everybody's happy that one question number 7 apart from the change to what? Is okay, and then the question, thanks Hi, Chris, the question number 8 in your advisory role.

[47:06] How do we manage the public's priorities for the library, with the trade-offs of budget, operational, technological. Okay, concerns, sort of the terminology of your word, advisory. But really don't have a management role public priorities You know. So it it sort of clarifies. You know we are advisory, but you know how will. You manage the public's priorities really don't have a role in managing the public priority I think that's that's why I probably answered that question with you know this is an advisory body and I'm not sure that I've managed to yeah, a manager.

[48:01] Of the public. But would you move to strike the question for you I mean, do. We. I'm just thinking like do we miss anything that somebody might, you know highlight about their skills, and abilities, But it's it just seems like a very staff type, question, like a hiring decision as opposed to it volunteer advisory board number I think I would actually need to strike that question in consideration, of the fact. That somebody will join the commission until for 8 or 9 months, and given that we now know that that role, even more, so I think in the past the idea of that question was to get out how it is something that's constantly going to be balanced in you know it's an advisory role It's still. Something that has to be considered within all parts of the role that everybody has within managing or running the library.

[49:03] So I think we should strike that question considering, yeah, comments about the advisory. But even more, so this role will be it will change. Yeah. Yes. Actually Jane, if I can jump in I actually, like that question and the reason why I like it, is that if we look at the question 6, and 7 question success is, people read any minutes or documents to the plan so it's, like so you're getting to start into thinking, about okay, what what you know what What thoughts do? They have then the sets that question 7. Start, saying, okay, what services. And it's getting them to start thinking about okay, what are the services, where the programs, what is information in the plan. So it builds upon question 6. Question 8, then, builds is is built upon 6, and 7. Because once you've seen those, the plan what's you've seen? And start thinking about what are the services, and how they balance those things, the th.

[50:02] That question 8. Then asking, How do you manage? You know? How do you, or how do you think about the public's priorities in terms of trading off budget operations, etc. So to me, those those 3 questions actually operate in a sort of arc in that they build upon each other and and and really get people to start thinking, about okay, we've got this plan we got this is how are We gonna balance I I think It's, a good package to keep that that question 8. With 6. I think that would be helpful And 7, I would. Just I would disagree with you, Scott, one being that we will not have another budget to look at like the library commission will no longer have a budget is that won't Exist anymore, so I I would move to strike question 8 yeah, I think I'm gonna I I agree. Because why I absolutely see why and I think him previously is I think it was a good question.

[51:02] But I just think, the asking this person who will come and set in this role for such a short period of time as pointed out without a budget it seems kind of a pointless question I'm sorry Sylvia. I see your hand up as well. Oh, no, that's okay. So. When I read that question, when I was flying, I kind of felt, like the last part of the Sentence gave me my answer. It kind of led me down the path of like what I needed to say in my answer So I felt like I don't know it was kind of a a giveaway, writing it in that way, but I think I'm in agreement, just based upon our situation, that there's really no need to you know get that information from an applicant because it's not a part of it's Not going to be a part of our role. Now. Hi, so cutting me this long way, saying all those in favor of Can we take a vote all those in favor of striking question, 8, please raise your hand I'm agnostic. I would I if it if the if the sentiment is to just get rid of it, then they get rib

[52:01] Okay. Alright, cool. So you have a majority on that question. So then question, question, number 9, some members of the public perceived that the Library has problem providing a safe and secure environment. How do you propose balancing? Because it's regarding safety and security with providing free and open access in a public setting it always reminds Me I'm very, Young, because very young that would always seem to be her question I personally don't like this I don't I would love More, people to apply than not so I think 3 additional questions more than enough. We need another one was to just ask, you what would you like to contribute during this transitional? You know, phase to a library, district, or you know to a different governance structure, what what do you bring? What do you like to what would you like? To contribute? You, know, yeah, I said it like, you know. Then it gives somebody an opportunity. To like, say like I'm either like a short term or kind of person that I like to do these kind of things, or you know like I really want to position myself to be you know a trustee or whatever you know it gives people more room I like that point and I think maybe potentially we

[53:15] Could add in something I'm along the lines of experience. Somebody could bring in assisting transition or in because a big role for commissioners next year. I see, as being advocates for the process, and being able to inform community members, I see that as being a really important skill, we need right now, so do we add in something as well, into that question is is so it's striking question number 9 completely, and saying, what can you bring to the library. During this time of transition and do you have any experience in change or something? Come on this line

[54:01] Yeah, that makes sense, Jane, I think the phrase maybe wanna use is is thinking about how how? An applicant has participated in some kind of organizational change. Yeah, okay. Yeah, totally. a proviso at the beginning, that in the upcoming, year the library will begin trans a transition into a district comma and whatever the question is that we decide you know yeah, and maybe, we just say, exactly what steven just said, and then adding what Scott. Said, and said, please describe your experience with organizational change or please describe your experience with organizational change. And and you know, how do you imagine, would you like to contribute or what what would you like to contribute to this priceless process yeah.

[55:02] Is that okay, see like share screen yes, we scratched, 9, kind of unofficially. And now a new 8 is whatever this is I think thank you. Same question, if I just read it So for the first question would be please describe how you have participated in other community organizations. Oh, has your involvement in the Community Legend to apply for the Library. Mission next would be considering our View of documents related to the Master Planning Process what are your thoughts about big Decisions and Plans And the next is the same except for the what is the older public Library, Balances, Traditional Definitions of Library Services with novation, around Informal Learning, Collaboration, literacy and 24, centuries skills in your advisory Role, what is your vision for the Future, of the Library and then Lastly.

[56:15] In the Upcoming, Year the Library will begin its transition to a district, please share, an experience you've had with organizational change and what you would like to contribute to this process and how you would like to contribute to this process or what okay, we did what yeah, yeah, okay. yeah, cool. I like those. I do. Yeah, that's really nice definitions of library services with innovation around informal learning, collaboration, that's in 20% she says, is that the right? Freezing. Okay, you know. It is informal learning. We typically referred to this collaborative learning environment.

[57:02] Is what we. But it's fine as it is. It will, well speak to a candidate, look at it, clear, colleague. Let me think about. Okay. Does anybody have any changes to the questions as Celia read them. Let's move forward with those questions. Thank you so much for taking Right. Okay, so back, to the agenda, as was Printed and Stated, We're on to it, Number 7 Informational License, which is transition to the older Migrate District, the Process for the Appointment of the Library Board Trustees District Board of Trustees Board of Trustees Robots Responsibilities and those of

[58:03] The Wider commission during that transition, Alright so I assume you're all and it's anything, and it is not clear. You'll let me know, but the the the city Council, and the County Commissioners haveified into members of each body who will now form a committee, which is the Library, Board Library, district or port of Trustee Appointment Committee and they have to Determine what Processes, they will Follow and in the end. How they will recommend a number of candidates, either, 5, 6, 4, 7 to the Full Bodies up City Council and Account Commissioners for Ratification by 2 thirds, majority at the Time, of the Tuesday, so the Timeline that We currently have there are some Dates, that are Scheduled right so City Council is going to as Scheduled a date early January to weigh in on their thoughts on the Process. So I'm assuming that the subcommittee will have some kind of process in place.

[59:04] By that time by January, and then they also have a city council, also has a meeting, scheduled in march, mid-march, to ratify those planets. So I think that seems like a reasonable timeline, that the Board of Trustees would be appointed to by march. Now, if you follow council meetings, or council minutes, you'll know that they're considering a 1 million different options. Anything that you can imagine is possibility, because colorado, library law is not defined. What? Or how they go about pointing trustees? They could that's not gonna happen, but they could get together to tomorrow decide on 7 of their closest friends and decide that was the thing you're gonna do and they would say well, they could appoint members that are already serving, on other Bodies, such as library, Commission, they could, and I suspect since the City almost always does this have a application process so they will advertise an application process, they will have a set of questions, alright trustee people are interested in being Trustees reply to that process and then be whether reviewed and or interviewed by

[60:12] That subcommittee. So that's my assumption about the process will look like Yes, but he does here. So when you said, 5, 6, or 7, what does that but that's that's defined in state one. So they can, to the the either 5, 6, or 7. We assume the Library district Advisor Committee, recommended 7 after suggestion. and I don't know that they will go to 7 I I somewhat, doubt that they're gonna choose an even number so I doubt that they will choose 6 my assumption, is they will choose either 5, or 7 members it. Was in the ballot No, it was it was to the there was a memo 2 council last week.

[61:01] And it was included in there, in that demo, it is clearly outlined in the state lock, but they had a choice. There are some there are some library district Board of Trustees throughout the State who have an either number but it's something that other districts have side to do. Maybe that is because it gives them an opportunity or a window. If somebody resigns that like I don't know like but there are boards, trustees that have an even number and then So it is the same, so there was a time that it was considered if the county commissioners could have their own appointments, appointees X number and City head better set, that's no longer the case, right you know they could decide that right so they have to define what the Process would be so they Could decide. Like the can the 2 categories give a point these, but both bodies after the vote. On the 2, but approve and ratify by two-thirds majority all of the candidates will be bored to purchase these, but how they do, the Recommendation and putting them on the list that that that is entirely up to those that Committee, which now Consists, of clearly We Martin

[62:17] Luther, King, Mayor, Bracket and Nicole, Spear. They will have to make that determination. What process do. We call and we, don't we we as the library, we will not have a role in that process as far as I understand it, so we are not we will not be involved and you know the City, and the county are still talking about what staff. Support will be required for that cause there's always staff support and there's the Committee, I don't believe it's gonna be library staff. I I I'm I'm lobbying for it not to be interesting And we heard that you know Chris on behalf of the Foundation, sent to his communication to to them, but that that's the extent of sort, of the engagement of the Foundation with the process as far as I know, yes, yeah, I don't know of any other engagement they may have they

[63:09] They may, you know, they may be talking to the people in the committee. I don't really know like they got. They didn't send the letter I received that same money. They went to council, so I I don't know what else they're doing. They send it to Council and the Commissioners. Right. Yeah, a bunch of stuff and City Manager attorneys, but not the Library, Commission, I guess not maybe can you Share A copy of the letter with us, yeah, That's About that Information It's a nice letter I Don't but it Should hit like, the chair, C Seed on the letter. I would suggest Have to draw from in their pool. They also make recommendations, which I don't believe the Committee will take them up, on, but they may as soon as we are doing in terms of reaching out, the State Libraries state Library has a State member who is a Liaison to Boards of

[64:16] Trustees throughout the State, and so I will be meeting with her as well in January to see what services they can provide to important trustees once they are appointed and they do typically do a lot of onboarding and training and kind of Defining the you know running through for the Board for Trustee members, what the laws are and what they are need to do. What their responsibilities are. So I think that'll be relatively smooth and I Don't know that the committee has to do that the trust the Appointment Committee, that, seems like a heavy lift for them but I know the people in fact the woman who is now the Person who was Reaching out Who's Doing the trustee of my month for someone who applied for a job for Us a number of years ago, when she was looking forward. Is that a, a a group, that they give examples or help it.

[65:04] Should that group run into questions of you? Know how how how is it done? In other locations? Or is it purely to onboarding and might be lower they can get examples. We are also collecting I mean, it's not to your question, but I'm also at least 5 different libraries, with their district port Trustees onboarding Process their trusty appointment Process so in the End the board Trustings will Work also have some input I mean right now the The the, the establishing entities have control that process, once the Board of Trustees seated, that is certainly fair game, for the part of Trustees and Those Establishing Entities to talk, about how they want to do it in the future the Establishing Entities have control the process and can take that control back at Any time they want, but they can also designate that control. I would say, 99% of the libraries in the State of Colorado.

[66:00] They have designated that appointment Process Primarily, the Interviews to the Boards, and then the they, they they send a recommended candidate, and by and large, then we the Governing Body is the Establishing Entities the County Commissioners in that Company, Do Approve, of other cases, where they have Not they typically do approve of for free future. More interesting. But that's something to be established and worked out in the following year. The initial step is really the the Committee of 4 has to establish the processes by which they are going to appoint and then actually a point and put in front of the 2. Elected Bodies, County Commissioners and City Council for a two-thirds Majority Ratification, at Voice Point, then the Board of Trustees Will be Seated from the Moment. They were ratified, then the Board of Trustees will be seated. Again, team anyway. Yes.

[67:00] Hey, David, I have a question that may be a premature question, but given, this given, how this subcommittee, you know, they're gonna be doing their work, and making some recommendations, do you have a sense. That they will be, when when they when they create that process, that whatever number of Trustees, that are selected, will they all be selected for certain certain term, at one time, or will those terms, be staggered, or The Terms, the Terms, are staggered, Scott and that's also defined by the water. And so it if they choose 5 members that each trustee is given a term of either, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 year. If they choose, 6 members, it is only the last, the fifth and sixth appointee are given a 5 year appointment, the others are given, 1, 2, 3, and 4, and then it is 7 members, the first, 3, with their 3, that are 1 2, and 3, and then those committee, members, who are 2, will have a 4, year.

[68:05] Finance. 2 will have a 5 year on that so that's clearly defined in the law, and so that they don't have much leeway on that they can't appoint 3 people to a one year term in other words they can't appoint 3 people do a 2 year term they can't point 2. People. Do a 2, year, term, there will be one, person, for one year, one person for 2, year, one person for a 3, year, and then at least one for a 4 and one for 5, perhaps 2, for 4, perhaps, 2, 4 5, And as a hypothetical follow up, David, thinking about you know, if if people, if if potential trustees have know that information going in realistically, how many people do you think would be applying for a one, year, term. Or 2 year term 9, that there could be some that are 4, 5 year terms I couldn't say, but then I mean sometimes people would then apply to be reappointed, or whatever you know.

[69:05] And that, so, actually, yeah, it depends right. Yeah, I don't know. Scott, and I don't know they'll even allow that I don't know the trust the appointment Committee will allow people to choose the number of years, that may be something that they negotiate with the people who are appointed but I Don't know They're gonna let them See here, all the applicants for the one year position, you're all the I think you they a lot more likely that you apply to be a board of trustee, and then they will talk over with how many years talk over with the successful candidates how many, years we're like to serve But there was a term limit. It's 5 years. I don't know the phone appointment process I don't know. That's defined as long, I don't know that you could be reappointed for another, term although yeah, that that's probably up to the Board of Trustees They determine. Their own bylaws. So they determine their bylaws. They could feasibly do it for longer, so Denver tests their district initiative. They didn't. They just a tax, increase so it wasn't to form a district okay, so you start

[70:13] The same place. But I guess so And there are a lot of libraries, who, you know, have done this recently, not a lot nearest to us. Burton was on Main 3 years ago. I think 4 years ago. Okay. So there are people who have been around that's, the experience. But lines 2013, yeah, 14, I think. We're not really letting Google, I think the the good the Board of Trustee Appointment Committee 4 people who are Assigned. I think they all take it seriously. I think we all have the best interest in line. I think they are looking to do whatever is the right thing I think that any of them are taking the responsibility lightly.

[71:02] It was a conversation with the public. If you remember, during the conference, you know, during the election, was then it's a whatever it's a not a pointed unelected Board, and i'll, do whatever in the the way the law is written it does give the governing bodies really That authority, and so the Governing Bodies, Select Efficiency, are taking process. Seriously, and I think we need to appreciate. That, yeah. Will be interesting Yeah, it's a process. Yeah, the best. I have for timeline right now is I think you will find out about what the process probably is in the January timeframe in some time in march, We'll know. Who the recommended trustees are going to be. I think that's that's the best. I have for timeline so what the intervening process is whether it's like come, we are, have, open office hours, component and talk to us. If you're interested, you got 15 min mike or whether they should set up a shark, tank, environment, like they could sit there and like people could come in and say why they should be

[72:07] On it. And then they're like you're voted off that is, entirely up to them being, honest, though I think it's pretty fair to assume the city has one process that they follow it is calling for applicants and interest we did that for they do it for boards and commissions every Single year. We did that. We followed that process for the Library District Advisory, Committee, the city follows that process, for every single committee, they have police, oversight committee, they they put out a call for applicants interested applicants, they review those applicants, they narrow it down to the people, who, there, by interview and Then they interview. I assume that's probably the process that will be followed You never know you never can anybody have any. Questions. I'm sorry that we don't have a lot of clarity about what the role commission will be.

[73:01] So I think I do believe it's still up in the Air Council. Council has a boards and Commission Committee there are 2 members of it, I don't believe that they reviewed all the questions yet, and I don't know that they've, had the opportunity to stop and say, like why are we Applying, a New Library Commissioner and so it. May still come back after we've submitted the questions that they ask themselves that question, and then you know they may have it. The 2 members are Lauren, Fulkritz, and Caroliner, they are the members of the Room Commission Committ Committee. And you know that that will begin in New Year. So they will be wrapping all that stuff up I think our questions are due yesterday and the and so they'll start that review process this December and I think, they typically do announced by mid-january what board Intuition vacancies they have, and then there's a Web page, where people can go and apply for portions.

[74:04] May I ask a question about your position. Since you oversee both the Arts, Commission and the Library, District, I don't Oversee, the Arts, we actually we We in in Anticipation of of this Coming, To pass we moved To the Arts, in april, so the Arts, Department and the Commission move to Community vitality in April of this year, I didn't know that I didn't realize that at all. Yeah, I mean, they're just looking at your name plate with I don't even know how a new program that we just rolled out, I mean. Hard to imagine, Yeah, it's been you know it's it's been interesting for a long time, because it's Departments Don't, Overlap, each other. On Advisory Commissions. The only thing that was connected to our Celia. And I, so ceiling is actually still taking notes for the arts commission as an agreement with community vitality.

[75:09] But I believe this month as the last. Yeah. So I stopped going yards, questions meetings back in April. And and yeah, we'll be done this month. So we'll have no more connection. That's nice, too. But yeah, so it's the Legacy of Mars, Excuse. I was just saying that legacy of Marsley Grail up, that you know the library the Arts became yeah, became one under her Umbrella Yep. Any other questions on on that piece, thank you for taking time for that together. Helpful as we go forward. Yeah. And you know, I just curious, for the commission from our management. We are working we already began work, right, we are beginning, work.

[76:04] Now and preparation for a board of Trustees being seated sometime in march, it's possible. So we are. Scrambling. To get a lot of data compiled so we were able to put it in front of them. You know a budget current policy is kind you know. Hr. Related Policies Benefits. I Could We're Trying to put together a full packet so that they will have from the Moment they are Seated at least data for them to start digging into done. Understand, all of the things that they're going to have to do and if you're, you know thinking of it yourself, or if you're, recruiting your friends, i've been contact my number of members of the public who are interested, in it it is not a Ceremonial position, it Is not a you know. It's not something that's just gonna look good in your recipe. I'm afraid I'm afraid I I'm not afraid I I'm quite convinced that the first year of work is going to be having having left. And I've I've told app consume called me up and not applicants.

[77:03] People who are in we're calling me up to expect easily. Between you know, 20 and 30 h a month, in the first year of the Formation of the Library district, because there is so much work to be done before a successful transition of the staff and jaining room 24 an Enormous and We'll have Plenty of things for them, to Pick and Choose From templates. All that stuff laid out so that they can take a look about what they do. Is they want to provide feedback, but they're not inventing it all from scratch. But it's a lot of work. And it's really, it's just down with the team today, and looking at all. The different things, they'll have to make decisions on in relatively rapid fashion. What is the time frame, that is respectful to both. Can you and to the staff, the community, the voted for things that they want to see done, yesterday and and to the Staff who are kind of in a in a limbo situation for the course, of 23 they will, have to make some of these decisions

[78:01] Readily quickly right and so hopefully the people that are in there have some experience have some knowledge about the current operational library is there's, no guarantees. And Seeing. Is this Meetings Recording tonight, Clarifying the Hr and Benefits Package is for the Staff of the Library, not for the Trustees Foreseen it, and what their recommendation is is different staff would transfer in their entirety, keeping their salaries, titles, and benefits to the extent that that was possible under There's No other Questions, Let's move on to it, number 8, which is our library, director, report since up again. Yeah we went over the adjustment there. We went over the Adjustment base at the last meeting, if you have any questions it's a cut and paste error.

[79:17] I'm sorry again the last minute. So yeah, you should say that number again, 7,915. So what changes on the the highlighted capital total, this is 1.7, one And then that best for you 7. As you can see. Video recordings are possible for posting video recordings should be continue to do hybrid meetings after December I don't know that was your attention. I think, expressed attention back to in person, in January.

[80:05] So if we go back first in January, we will then post audio, recording there, is a an outline here for racial equity, training the Board time Commission I'd encourage you take it celia mostly but myself also participated, in weeks, long program, in terms Of Race and Equity, Training for boards and conditions. I think it was worthwhile, and never really brought in a really great consultant. It worked through a lot of the issues that are faced and certainly faced by Boards and Christians, but there are options here. Should you choose, or choose as a body to attend actually trained for words and questions. And some of them are to be to join an employee or new orientation, which involves like our First Kind of Training but I can also assure you it's quite good training there are other options, here for you as well so you may want to make a decision, on that or may

[81:08] Just want to avail that individual members as you see fit That's entirely up to you, and then so we have the option here to make this decision as a group to do this or we could each choose to do to get this training in the different options. Yeah, so as a Commission showed, for should we take this information. And consider it for our next meeting to just have this is a quick discussion about whether we do want to do it as a group, But maybe give everybody a chance to process, to see what they think they could do. I never through I I didn't know whether it was individual or room, but I mean you know, just knowing that like there's one session in January, So if we were having discussion January. We would be aligned to there. But what I wondered about was so the training that you all went through?

[82:04] Was it like a train, the trainers, and then these other sessions, are being done by staff or is this bringing in the consultant, a lot of the training that you See for the new employee orientation is done by staff and it the program that we went through really this training that celia I think, completed every it was Fellow, based on what we could do to make this training available. But so then, staff, we're given an opportunity for talk about their concerns around you know the fact that all staff are going through all this training, and yet the boards and commissions that city Council is appointing have not or we don't know what type of background, and Training, they have and so there was an inconsistency in terms of maybe maybe an inconsistency in the matter in which we applied the city's values around equity diversity and inclusion and so that was the Gist of to my that was the just really of the Kind of opening of but we went through it.

[83:08] was kind of a training for Us, right, not training us to train you it was training for our own. How do you deal with all of these things, right and what is your past experience? And what, and it was city staff, but then we did have a consultant join to lead some of the Sessions and one of the parts with the movie, which I think might be the same movie, that is Listed here for you guys as well, I think the first Stage, of it was to try to get Staff all on the same page, language and Terms and is free kind of and then it's to go out with into council, and commit forward, but there was never a survey of boarding commission members, to ask us, right like, you know how much equity, training do you need as a woman, of color, as a lived Experience. Right. You know so I mean, yeah, and the Council currently doesn't I mean, there's not a standard question in the port that was I think that was part of that may be something that changes.

[84:08] I know that that's we're maybe either ceiling or I, or on that, or and so. The Clerk's Office is and so the Clerk's Office is the Main, Survey Leadership but there's also City Council Liaison Who Served on the Committee, and they were all participants, clay, phone, the New County administrator was in there because he was also managed at that time managed, to human relations, commission and I wanted to put the scenario, because they were Kind of reaching out to Us. About how we think the commissions would most want to engage with this training. So I thought

[85:06] You know, 3, point 5 h. Okay, 2. They have a live train like I I don't know. It would just be a bit nice to see the city manager talk to us about other things, and that you know just that right I mean anyway, the where is the film what's the film if It's the same thing, we watched it was the one, that's on Netflix called who we Are the hospital board was doing their own set of diversity training, and so they did session with that bill first and then they're, doing their other Equity, training, Stuff, all we met so that's why, I wondered what the Film, was here, yeah, and have that time but I think, it

[86:09] Is really important. It is important to me to know how this training is structured and how you know. How it aligns from the work, we're doing as a commissioner or is it just a you know something. I mean, is really tailored to a boarding commission members role, or is it yeah, something, else So what the city has done. What they last call the staff to do is to analyze all the policies. So the the the city's, focus, has been on systemic races, and that 3, which institutions.

[87:04] That is kind of focused on the Impacts, the Film Focuses, Bye-elected Bodies and the other audience, and then That's I'm assuming what the training would all for the for questions would also focus on Is like 25 years is come a long way, sort of I mean. I just remember being like assigned to be leading like diversity conversations. I could just still see the table where we would meet which was Marsley Stable. There, you know all white folks around me they're. They're talking about diversity. And it's just like you know, that being set up for failure. Yeah, it's this, yeah, but I'm glad that there's energy behind this focus, but it's really important. Not just for this commission, but to you know cause. It could just go in so many different directions that I'm not sure, like the value was gonna you know, less clear and directed, and I think with the Option.

[88:06] Number 2, that the training can be incorporated into the Commission's Monthly. Meeting That's why, I mean But I also think we have to make sure that it's going to be space which might I guessing that we'll be considering that the the role of this commission is changing into this next year but that would be another thing is to look at a Calendar. Just to know whether that is even One of the Options, we want to discuss, because if we can't fit it into into the schedule of things that we need to cover in this next year and That's kind of a new point so Okay, so we'll, just so we'll come back with more information. And then in January's meeting about that piece alright would it be perfect for you to tell who's hired in the Maker space to take over for Zach's position is that public yet I think that's I'm like I'm just I was wondering yeah, where did that person go

[89:21] From he was hired by see, you yeah, I see you which is yeah, it's nice. It's great to see somebody succeed in that the big loss interrupt us. Yeah, to take over for at least at least. This will space, the Vtu, Lab it's a Maker, space inside of atlas, an engineering, college. Okay. Okay, you sounds okay. And then so number 9 is from the commission. So Updates, from Commission's Reference in other areas.

[90:11] Foundation, update, which please feel free to add, we did get a good foundation update, tell us about the gala is Fantastic. Thank you everybody for attending thank you everybody who volunteered and participated and the Library staff. For making time for everybody, for the Gala to happen. It was a really it was like a snowy snowy day. So it was kind of amazing that people did still come out for the library on those days. In addition to that, I guess I don't have any other just updates as Christ did. I would just remind people as they're thinking about their year event. Gift, giving at the Library foundation not more than ever with love support.

[91:02] So if any other commissioners are in client to get that into the Gear Gift feel free, let me Foundation is amazing, whether I'm allowed to say that at this meeting or not sorry I'm just saying. And I always said, like in the past 10 years, I've been involved in like foundation. I have never seen the foundation and the library. I'm together, and I mean no sorry come together in A, in a cell, which way like the Gala where there was that many stuff involved on their off time with the foundation and I think it. Was absolutely wonderful, obviously the library and the Stuff and foundation and stuff all and the and have always worked together. But I have not seen that happen in the way that happened to the caller and I loved every minute Programming. This is great and it was really well, put together, and including the new Cafe managers, giving everybody a Preview of the Food which is really Exciting my husband now has the

[92:10] Coupon on our Refrigerator. When can I use this I was out of town. Otherwise I would have been there. I'm usually there, so sorry this is really a lovely, event, and it was really just. It was it's great great energy. So establish that this is a really fun time and that people should have that on the calendar The Pds like Show 5. It was a weird performance, art thing with the shelving. It was a weird performance art thing with the shelving, that that was very funny.

[93:00] It was like the shelters, uncomfortable. It was memorable. It was memorable. Say more all these, like Amazing Performers and are part of this Gala boy. All we do is shell books. Maybe we should think about a sexier way to to shell books, and they were like maybe we should. And then like 2 sessions, later, they come out in like disco roller, skate, outfits, and then they use the book to symbolize people making pledges kind of in real time, and it, was and they got the account wrong because i'm obsessive about such things, like they missed a book I was like, Yeah, it was super thoughtful and hats off to Juliet for and like and the Host.

[94:06] Lee James the Great Host, and Chris, and for the AD. In the music. It was it was quite an event, actually, and it wasn't to like it was it was like a real I've been to 2 previous, ones, and it felt like a real like upgrade. Like it was entertaining oh, that's, great And then Scott did was anything you wanted to add there about the foundation No, I I did not attend the event, because I had the flu. So you had the flu the week before I had the flew there. So I was not I was a little bit a little bit but I did did Chris did did Christmas. And how much they made at that event. They mentioned. I think they've said they made $77,000 out of that one. So they didn't Yup yeah, yeah, yeah, that's we I was hearing something. Like 60, but we left early, so that would make sense.

[95:01] Yeah, the goal for the night was 60 the goal of 60, but they surpassed it. Yeah, which is pretty, good because tenants, was not high And then the other update then in this area is as Chris mentioned, the Overl Library Champions is looking to disband and by December should have those pieces wrapped up final finance reports that they Filed Websites being Archived Information is being moved since the Information has been moved, over to The foundation and all these pieces will be kept. But the Border, Library, Champions.

[96:01] Are no longer needed web, the web properties, so like the foundation, will the Twitter and then Tiktok and all those sites. Sorry. That. Yeah, Johnny's finders Yup Jodi's brain okay, update on we have not had any this month. And then just one item before we close the meeting. There. Was that is a staff holiday quality that we have been invited to is a commission, and it's next Thursday, the fifteenth, Just December at the Library from 7 to 9 o'clock, so I think everybody receives an email, it would be lovely to see anybody, who can make maybe there could be

[97:13] A encore of this skit, for I know right, so there will be other things. There the staff were throwing a party, and honestly, they really wanted people to come, they asked. Can we get the commission? Can we get the foundations? Can we get the champions? Can we get all these groups to come out. So they can celebrate with us. So this is, I mean, it's it's not something we made up. They they really really wanted so I hope some of you will be able to come up. They really want the everyone to be able to show up and I'm leaving book queries for the Wednesday next week, so if you have an Lgbtqi, or Ly Team and you want to have them, join the Queries Have them contact that Group, Via, Instagram and

[98:01] not be leading the discussion. I'm Excited What's the the book is hard software. So book about a British 2 British school boys, phone, love and their friends. It's a it's a Netflix show as well, yeah, it's a very good Netflix show. If you haven't watched it. It's like, an amazing show. Yeah, it's really really good. And maybe and maybe a little unconventional here. But I would like to thank the Teams back, oh, family is loving the team as parent I would like to think I time my kids sent in teams, say so please pass that on to the Stuff it is an amazing space. And we're utilizing it and loving. Yeah, see more about it what makes it appealing. I have a sixth grader who has a new found independence, and takes himself off to the library to hang out for 4 h, at a time, with the team space and I have to say as a parent, it's just it's it's wonderful to watch the library, for our Family grow with

[99:09] Us. We've had well ones who have consistently gone to story time and use the kids, base. And I think sometimes among people, there is a feeling that when the kids are be on that kids, space, where do they go. And of course, There's All the Wonderful Programming, but the team space is as an option for people, to just go and be especially in that age. Group to me, I just think that this is and Fantastic Astonishingly good every single one of them great cause it's been a challenge in Boulder, right. I mean the team programming and what to do. So that's why, it was just curious about what that's like and What's Appealing. What I think the people that you want around your kids.

[100:02] And I think so when I know my kids heading there, that the the staff will be there, and that's as apparent, what I want. Because I think, especially in the Age group. They don't always listen to you. But if you can send them some around good people, it just but I also think as well part of it, is learning that Sixth grade. I think is just excellent. Cause. That's 1112 year olds they're not necessarily teams yet. But I think that that makes them feel grown up and gives them a space to be So on the second floor, get it with tree houses. They are green carpeting and looks. Out it's really cool. It's it's adjacent to that right and they have a lot of different they have sound studio they have a lot, of technology, they're lost. Different stuff, kids can play with but it's really

[101:01] kind of the space, where kids unwind. But I think when we if you know I was totally wrong about what they might want to do, because I kept trying to encourage them, like give them incentives to do stuff for their college, application it's like I don't know the end's, kind of like a I don't know how it had a characteristics. She's a she's a team, librarian, the best way. And then we have several others that can work in space as well, and they all have that same, I think they all I think, the staff love it the stuff, who work in the space absolutely love their Jobs and they did a cupcake competition, last month, and packed and the kids were ice Cupcakes. yeah. Yes, so yeah, it's really accepting space. It feels like, really, truly accepting like, no social hierarchies, everybody.

[102:06] There is really polite to each other in my experience, they just pick it well around me, because it just seems really like it's space. I wish I'd have when I was team. It was it's really cool We'll do. Yeah, absolutely Okay. Alright with that, unless there's any other questions, comments, things anybody would like to add, it'll be a back to back to the Yeah, so is our next meeting going to be here, that's right. Yeah, are we going to rotation again. Yeah, okay, yeah, that was the request, yeah, so that's great yeah, okay. So Carne, cool when does Carnegie, open full time James next year, maybe it's, the city, government, response.

[103:19] For the next meeting. Okay, well, let's close this meeting. Then thank you