December 5, 2023 — Landmarks Board Regular Meeting

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Captions from City of Boulder YouTube recording.

[11:25] Okay. Okay. Can you hear us, Mark? We're just, that's through the laptop. One Okay.

[12:05] They're concerned like on. People will hear a historic transformation. Yeah. Yeah, there should be . That Okay. Our laptop is still unmuted, so. Maybe we should meet it. Okay.

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[14:04] I think you don't pick up the microphones. We have speakers right there. Oh, maybe one of the board members test the mic. Yeah, someone online, can you hear both the board members? As well as staff. Mark, Okay. So we are. Yeah. Hmm. Hmm. This might be the best we can do today. Can you hear us? Oh, great. Okay, and then, knowing that we're doing the best we can with the technology, just make sure to speak. Right into the microphone. And, use them when you are not talking.

[15:05] Alright. Alright, we're back. We are approving for minutes. Does anyone have changes or alterations in November? I move that we approve these minutes. Did we have a second? Okay. Thank you. When they seconded the motion, will do a roll call. Both Renee. Hi. Ronnie. Hi. Hi. Okay. Happy? Okay. Well.

[16:02] Thank you. And I realized when Abby speaks, she's not going to be coming through. This computer, which might be hard to here. So if we need to move the laptop. Closer we would do that but she should be pretty clear through the recording. Okay, so that brings us to public participation for non-agenda. We have. Anyone who wishes to speak. Yes, we have Okay, let me just set my.

[17:02] I will have to swear to you, Can you hear me? It's not actually for. You want me to speak or what? I don't know what's going on here. Wow. Just a moment. You want me to speak? Say a couple of things so we can test the Hello. What is? When we're I don't understand. I opened up the mute. I opened up opened me as a panelist. Do you want me to speak? Yes or no? We can hear you when it's just that we're trying to get you come over the speaker system. Thank you. So just give us 1 s. And we will wait to start. Okay.

[18:01] I already got on time to the OSBT and they rejected my comment. So I'm pretty upset. I'm specially angry actually right now. I raced my bike from seeing Tom check. So all I'm here for is see you and I can't even do that. I have to rush around for your strict rules. We can hear you faintly, but if you just hold your comments until We start the Did you have Linda another test?

[19:00] Is my I unmuted myself again. Can you hear me? My name is technical, it's not on your computer. So thanks for your patience. I'm not patient at all, so you don't need to thank me for that. Progress. Right. Then can you say something? Yes, I'm saying thanks. Talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking. Yes, can you hear me? We can hear you. There's a reverb I'm hearing. Not of my voice, but someone else's got their Got plugged in twice or something.

[20:48] Third time unmuting. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Third time, unmuting. And that was an unmute prompt, not unmute on my computer. I unmuted on my computer also at the beginning.

[21:09] If that helps. With your technical issues. Thank you, Lee. Can you hear us? Yes, but there's an echo behind you. Anny. Yeah, it's okay. Okay. It's 2, 2, 2 min and 36 s. I'm not going to start until it's 3. Now do you want me to start or are you gonna start the timer first? Or you can't hear me. I guess I'm a jinx. Can't testify at Open Space Board of Trustees can't testify here. Can you hear me now? The timers running again.

[22:02] We can hear you and we're gonna start the timer and then your 3 min will begin. Okay, I'm very angry because I've just raced from here in Tom Check at Carruthers. To go to Open Space Board of Trustees testimony and they would not let me speak and I got there at 609 and they're Time for citizen participation is 6 10. So I'm furious. So now I come here and it's now, I don't know what time, 625 and this was supposed to be 6 feet 15. Can you people please have some variability, some flexibility for your speakers. You have a no one else that comes and speaks to you. So why can't you be a little bit flexible to the next space between agenda items or the end of the meeting or something, there are other people that have lives beside you.

[23:07] I know that you have very busy lives and I appreciate all your hard work, but have some respect for my hard work too and I only get 3 min with you. And you've got 4 or 5 h here. So please have some flexibility. It's pretty simple. The next agenda audience or the end of the meeting, you know, if someone's trying to juggle 3 meetings, one because of Hanukkah. Which I'm not respecting today. I love Israel. But you know what I want to say at this meeting is the best thing. That we can do in the United States for Boulder the city of Boulder for landmarks. Because we aren't gonna be here at all the way things are going in Gaza. Israel, I love Israel, but Israel is misbehaving big time! Something needs to stop there. And you should be making a statement advising the City Council for the preservation. The preservation. Got it. A boulder itself. I don't hesitate to think that someone's gonna come and bomb us to the Stone Age just like Gaza.

[24:14] It's gonna happen. And I don't want to sit here and watch it. So you advise City Council to do something about Gaza, to speak up. To the higher ups and the higher ups because we are complicit. In the massive war crimes that are happening there. It is unspeakable what is happening in Gaza right now. You talk about preservation. This is massive destruction. It's not okay and we the United States are complicit and we need to stop it here right at landmarks board. Let's land our freaking Gaza! Done.

[25:10] Let's give it just a moment. If you wish to speak in your virtual events, Okay. Alright, it looks like we don't have anyone else speaking at this time. We will close. That portion of the meeting. Discussion of landmark alterations and demolition applications issue. Marc. Okay. Yes. Thank you. I'll give an update on the. One, say of the, that we have active right now.

[26:04] So. That is the property at 1015 June. Avenue and. The 4 places stay of demolition at your November meeting. You do explore alternatives and so we met with the applicants on November 20 eighth. Which was a good start to the discussion about. Onsite rehabilitation or relocation offsite your location, etc. And so, our plan is to meet again in early January with the applicants. And then looking ahead at the calendar. The say of demolition expires on March 20 fifth, which means that the February seventh. Landmarks board meeting would be your opportunity just schedule a hearing before that stay expires so February seventh would be a scheduling conversation at the board and then. March sixth would be the last regular scheduled meeting. The the and Abby attended that meeting.

[27:08] I don't know, Abby, if. You wanna add anything to your fellow board members about the conversation? You're welcome to. Well, just very quickly, first of all, can you hear me? Yes, I can. Thank you. So, I thought it was a productive meeting in the sense that it was very candid. Marcy did an excellent job explaining what a stay is, what we're going to try to explore, what potential options might be. I think Marcia did an excellent job. Explain, you know, that the board made this vote based on believing their probable probable cause it's eligible for a for designation that there's probable cause for that and I think that what I it was a very candid conversation and I think that the applicant shared sort of that it was marketed as sort of virtually a tear down and the owners bought it with that intention.

[28:12] So I mean, I felt like we got more information from the the applicants on behalf of the owners. But I do think a second meeting, especially if that includes a site visit will be tremendously important. Alright. We will move on. Will move to the public parents. I don't believe it. That is a public hearing and consideration of a landmark alteration certificate application.

[29:00] To construct a perimeter wall and fence and other art. At 9 46 through screen. A contributing house on the Mapleton Hill Historic District. First, to section 9 page 11. The older revised code, 1981. The owner is married, Bath Emerson and William. And the applicant is Laura Baker, landscape architecture and construction. So. Presentation of this issue. Good, thank you, John. I am gonna go through the quasi judicial hearing procedures. And board members will note any exponte contacts. Then I'll give the staff presentation. Optica board may ask questions. The applicant will have 10 min to present to the board. And the board may ask questions of them.

[30:00] We'll then open the after all members of the public have made comments to the applicant. The app may respond to anything that is said. And then we'll ask everyone to. To mute, while the board deliberates, a motion requires an event to vote at least 3 members to pass. And motions will state findings conclusions and recommendation and a record of this hearing. In a couple of days as a. Video recording hopefully and the official record would be added to those records archive within 28 days usually sooner So, John, I'll pass it back to you for exquisite contacts. The board requested that we note. It was reviewed this previously and Chelsea who was absent today and John. Review this at LDR. Okay. Okay. Ex partase contacts run. No.

[31:04] I have none. And I was I was one of the LGRC reviewers that I have now. Okay. Just know, people online talking and us talking. That there. Steps to make that There's actually 3 because I need to mute. So, Allow that time before. Thank you. Okay, so, the criteria for review are outlined in the Boulder device code under 9 1118 B and C. The review is to ensure the proposed work preserves enhances or restores and does not damage or adversely affect exterior architectural features. Or the historic value of the property, that the work he proposed is architecturally compatible with the character of the property and that the landmark sport considers the economic feasibility of alternatives.

[32:11] The options today of the landmark support to approve the application. This is subject to a 16 day city council call-up period. You can also deny the application, which would be subject to a 30 day period in which city council could request to review the decision. A denial would mean the applicant could not submit the same application within 12 months. And the board may also allow the app to withdraw. So this is our process so far. As we mentioned, Chelsea and John will be this at LDRC on October fourth. Okay. So, 9 46 free street is on the southwest corner of tenth and spruce.

[33:01] Texas here. Spruce is here. The company is here. It's in the Mapleton Hill Historic District. And just one block away from the downtown historic district. The house is the only building on the property, which actually encompasses 2 traditionally sized blocks. The front of the house faces north onto Spruce Street. The house was constructed in 1890 and the Queen and style. It has to go queen and elements such as asymmetrical, vertical, the house is identified as individually significant for the Maples and Hillmaster district. And it's also potentially eligible for this to run the National Register of Historic Places. So the house is currently undergoing some rehabilitation. And so it is surrounded by a construction fence, which you can see in the screen fence here. But you can still see the decorative quarter maze and porches, the objective gables and the ornamentation.

[34:10] And the variety of materials used on the exterior. So this is the proposed work that's the application today. This is the site plan. It shows the location of the house like to the east. Both the the LC approval for the rehabilitation of the house, was approved in 2,020. And it included the, the location and size of the parking area. This landscape buffer between parking area and screw street. So the items for today are, a primitive events and more. Along the North and east side of the property. Sorry. Yes, not many sides of the property, which is an 18 inch stone wall with a 3 foot wartime fence on top.

[35:07] And Stone Calls found 16 feet apart. And then the on the West property line along here. That's 4 foot 6 and then the South property line isn't 5 good defense. Up until about this point. Here. Which is where the wall. And, which we'll see in the elevations. The site plan also shows the areas of landscaping and patio. As a, with flaxstone and also 2 kitchen areas. Here and here, apple kitchens. You can see the color definition. Kind of, there's a plenty of area here and here.

[36:03] Some sidewalks are proposed and there's also a fence utility area. Right here. So this is the street side, the, side of the house. You can see. This is where the, to the stone wall, with a 3 foot wall, fence on top of things for most of it. There are, stone columns, evenly spaced. The the wall is eliminated at this corner right here there's a there's a existing true right here so the We don't want to build all of that corner. So the fence actually just goes. And there are 2 calls ranking a pedestrian entrance. That is, the street entrance to the house. The wall also goes away for 16 feet on either side of the driveway gate.

[37:08] Which is right here. I know that's where this is the gate here. The the columns at this point are dropped in height to account for the site triangle at that point and then the wall picks up again at this end. I'm set. This is an enlargement of the, the pedestrian gate, which is the line of the spree stream entrance to the house. And this is the typical Let's show them. Off the sex. Storm columns and. 18. Okay, moving around this is the, the east elevation. So this is the tenth street side of the house.

[38:03] Again, you can see that that tree is there and just, and between those 2 posts. And then the wall events actually steps down at this point to maintain the 4 foot 6 height. And this elevation includes, patio area. Which you can maybe see Thank you. This is the enlargement of the. The desktop, and the, which is proposed to be It's the self elevation is the interior of the lot.

[39:01] However the alignment of the house and the neighboring house on means that this is pretty visible. For 24 feet from from And then, begins. this, and also, a patio area and. This is the, enlargement of a typical, Painted wood with one inch spaces between multiple planks and And then went to the West elevation. This is also interior along. It screens the parking area.

[40:05] The proposed is, is 5 at all where the corner of the other fence and then, then, then, 4, 6, Good. The utility area, which is, on that, in that corner, in the parking area is, straight to the similar events. This is proposed to be 6 feet tall. Awesome. Based our analysis on 9 1118. And the We found the, proposal, general, system, with both the maintenance of the and the general design.

[41:04] In that the proposal maintains the openness between the street and the house. It allows visual penetration and does not obscure the the scale relates to the main building. The traditional purchase to the house from the street are, through the addition of pedestrian gates. At the 3 stream at 10 Street entrances and the non traditional West entry is streamed from the street. The proposed port ways are. Perpendicular to the sidewalk. And the patio is a walkway to use a simple and traditional pattern. The proposed materials for the fence are worked iron stone wood and our traditional and commonly found in the district and the find the offence is normal, both iron, painted black, and we used in conjunction with road masonry walls. The proposed events also reflects the character of the, district and height openness material and finish. And the transitions between the road and stone fence and wood dancing is sensitive to the location along the public.

[42:15] Right away, so as to be minimally visible. And avoid fortress effect The proposed wood fences at the side are rare and lower than 5 feet and height with a minimum orange spacing between the tickets and will be painted. And mechanical areas and pocket area are screen. That's true. To continue with the will not damage or destroy the exterior architectural features of the landmark or the subject property within our historic district. As defense thing is open in appearance and off a scale that relates to the main building and does not obscure.

[43:00] You also found that they proposed hardscape and offences will not adversely affect the special architectural and value of the property as the changes are generally consistent with the general design guidelines and the makeup to help start district design guidelines. And the traditional approach to the house from the street and the traditional landscape patterns are maintained. We'll sit down with the architectural style of the proposed warm offence is compatible with this stroke building and this direct district. Architectural style arrangement texture, color, a bunch of color and materials as the proposed materials and design are traditional and commonly found in the district. Although the design is contemporary, it is generally compatible with the character of the building and the historic district and follows a regular pattern. Information specific to economic feasibility of alternatives and cooperation, of energy efficiency, design and then hard access for the disabled.

[44:02] It's not. We also did some additional research into the style of the warm events and found that most stone malls, without fencing. You've typically been used. Within the historic district to retain a raised lawn area. Some examples are shown here, 1040, and, avenue. Which is a contributing building in the district had a, retaining role surrounding, raised born, as early as 1892. And the fencing on top of the wall was added in 1992. Another example is, 7 45 Highland, which is also contributing building in the district and an individual landmark. This property also had a retaining wall surrounding that similar raised lawn as early as 99. And the most iron fence on top of the wall was added in 1994. The landmark support for that one.

[45:02] From the. We also found that the construction of Wallace themselves with an iron fence on top are uncommon in the Napleton-helm Star district. And our more contemporary addition, and some examples for that are shown here, 23, or 5, phone street is a contributing building. Within the district. The wall and fence both were out in 1,974. In, and also, 6, 27 pine, which is also an individual landmark. Within the district had the retaining wall and fence constructed in 2,007. So while the district guidelines state that fences across the front of the house should be. 36 inches or lower.

[46:04] So I'll consider that the total height of the stone wall, the road. I offensive. 4 foot 6 may be appropriate in this location. It's a large house. Vertically oriented, just typical for and it's well balanced by defense and that has an open appearance and a scale that relates to the main building. The guidelines also note that heavy brick posts are generally inappropriate, but the fencing used in conjunction with Some research demonstrated that, the, space stone all brick posts on columns with fences on top and non common in the. And a generally contemporary editions. But the stone columns proposed are widely spaced, so they do not obstruct views of the house and allow for a discrete transition between the VOICE.

[47:00] At the the, I'm, that's used in conjunction with the Masonry. We've made the appropriate location for house. And also the general design, that we're fences were not traditionally found in the front yard and the streets game character is defined by open front yards. The introduction of the fences in the background. We found that, post 1929 image of the house showed an open phone however the 1892 image shows the fund of the house enclosed by in one hedge and horizontal week, BENCe, the the Eastern West signs to close the back. We also know that the, location of the house, the transition between the maintenance and not start district. And the more commercial downtown district. To the model, So we. Okay. And finally, the location of the house.

[48:14] And the transition between the start district is zoom here. Which one about 10 factors. So stuff, the board approve the landmark. Alteration. findings are that the proposal will be generally consistent with the purposes of this chapter in that the proposed work will not damage. The historic character of my property as the traditional approach to the house from the street and the traditional landscape patterns are maintained. The proposed work for preserve and will not damage, destroying the exterior or potential features of the property as the fencing is. Opening appearance and on a scale that relates to the main word. It does not necessarily be at the house.

[49:02] And the architectural style arrangement texture, color, and, and, and, will be generally compatible with character existing building and its site. As the proposed materials in a traditional and common found in the district and to follow a regular pattern. And We have that. Sorry, and that the proposed work will not adversely affect the special character or special historic control and value of the network property is it generally is consistent with the general design guidelines and the makeup and start start district design guidelines. And more generally comply with sections 2 and 3.3 of the general design guidelines in section 9 1118 b 3 of the v. Okay, that's the end of the stop presentation. This is a reminder of the next steps in the process. The app again has up to 10 min to present to the board. Then we'll move into public participation and then deliberation.

[50:12] Thank you, Claire. Excellent. Do any members of the board have questions for staff? Not for me. The There's there's an example. I think sending the applicant's presentation too. And then the. The column. Yes, generally, 16 feet. But awesome differences. And, with appropriate.

[51:20] Sorry, John, were you asking me? Bye. I, I believe, having mixed, ability. Well, I can actually hear you now and I don't have any questions for staff, but I just went to before I forget to mention this during deliberation. I thought the renderings from the application were studying. I thought they were gorgeous renderings. Right.

[52:03] Okay. So, applicant presentation, is there any member of the applicant group? Yes. You are. So, Okay, I will have to swear to you this is a quasi judicial and, before you start speaking, save your full name. We couldn't have to. It's not gonna work. You have to agree to tell us. Whole truth as you know. Good morning. And then state and you have 10 min. Yeah. Okay Yeah.

[53:10] Yeah. Pretty landscape plan. Based on the So, So, the can't hear you online very well because the microphone is over here. But our presentation is also, so we need to Thank you. As long as you speak really close and to the microphone, it will pick it up. But maybe you could do some tests. Could we just put the form aside and ask you With that, Not the people online.

[54:07] I believe that's fine. And. Okay. Okay. And. I will move wherever you need. Okay, as I mentioned, we We were hired to create a landscape plan. Based on the approved site plan that we're seeing on the screen here that's associated with the building.

[55:01] Tied to the, of the structure. Upon initial study of the project our first impression was that the overall landscape master plan including the parameter fencing the design queues we're gonna be drawn from directly from the what we found inspiring within the architecture of the building itself. So we, immediately noticed the vertical. Vertical height and volume proportion of the home in relation to the site. And in relation to the surrounding. City sidewalks. So we set out to establish a to the site as a way to create. And visually appropriate. For grounded base for the home. Since this is experienced. High traffic volume with pedestrians on tenth and screws at all hours. So it really, was important to us to to consider the overall visual presentation of the site.

[56:12] And home, from the, so we also look back at store photographs and found that there were hedges there in the past or immediate response was to implement. Foundation and Searsstone base, which is the local Colorado, but sandstone material, which is what we are planning to use for the. No, no, we're calling your curve wall at 18 inches. And the, the more formal, at 4, 6, 9. So. We plan to source local, buffstone material and size it and work it. With our Masons so that we try to really emulate.

[57:05] Original stonework on the foundation. We also. Studied in addition to the verticality of the home, we spent a lot of time onsite at different hours, different days of the week. Studying. The for traffic patterns and we actually do find. We did find and still find that there's a lot of the destined to cut through the site. So it. Quickly became evident that not only for architectural purposes but also for the function. New owner, that we needed to have more than just a 3 foot low wood picket. Or run our fence, felt like we. Would really the overall solution would really be vastly improved if we included this most out base. Just to give the overall perimeter of more of a, of formality and, so we started to study different heights and different proportions.

[58:03] We work closely with the committee to arrive at this. What in essence is it low curve versus a stone wall with a 3 foot rod iron on top? We were careful to study the guidelines. And. Queued in section O for fencing. And, we really picked up on the painted iron or steel and the pickets are appropriate. It might be used in conjunction with below base. So that was a guiding principle to establish the proportions, the materiality. And then the other key. Guidelines, section, oh point 3D, which is maintaining a visual penetration through fences into the site. So that's. How we, what kind of guided our, design for the wide spacing of the columns. And the very light delicate.

[59:03] Lastly, we spent a lot of time walking the historic district and finding other. Examples. Okay. Let me see. So we studied other examples in the neighborhood. Make ones that Claire brought up already. We actually pull the and design directly from. Another built example. Down block. And just are going to really make sure that for granted permission on this that.

[60:09] The. Very sensitive, not only to the home. Also, very much. In sync with other dot examples. Is there some of the examples we found? Within the, blocks surrounding the property. We, the 2 images on the upper left. Contain the wrong iron. Yeah. Inspire no drawings so very light, vision. It's elegant arcs from the top rail.

[61:04] Not for balanced and very appropriate. Other great examples. We found we included one example. That wasn't so great, but we wanted to show it anyway. And that's the image in the middle row, right? And those are. Sixth tall columns, solid. Okay, thank you. That we have. Okay. Yes.

[62:01] Well, the areas of different. Not for. One of the Yeah, So. Okay. Okay. Spruce, which is our north. North side starting at the northwest corner.

[63:02] This is where the, will start with the stone column, 4 foot 6 and height. Will have a have a short cadence of column. Low curve wall, red iron and column until we get to this site triangle that set light. Mint green visual indicator. That's our, that's our site triangle. So at that point. By code, we have to drop anything. We have to drop down to a 30 inch max height. So we drop things. For, for anything that's, solved. So we drop down to, low. On iron and stone low columns at each side of the driveway gate the driveway gate is 30 inches in height there. That continues on the east side of the driveway. Except the 15 foot say triangle At which point we have a 4 foot 6 column. And that and another one that's the main entrance walkway to the front front porch.

[64:00] From that point due east we start our rhythm of 4 foot 6 columns. 18 inch curb wall and 3 foot ride iron. Up to the corner at tenth. At that point we are just framing this This is actually a proposed tree in this corner. We wanted to leave this open without the low stone curve and to frame this tree. And create a nice peekaboo view into this beautiful front corner of the home. And in South we can just continue with that rhythm of low curve column and Rod Iron all the way down to the southeast corner. We then turn due west and had I think I believe 25 feet approximately. To the and that'll be our last stone column and that's where the rod iron ends and that is more or less in alignment with the. Neighboring house immediately to the south. And the front porch, east facing porch of our property.

[65:00] At that point we pick up our 5 foot tall picket fence. We run that back. To the south east west corner and then that turns the corner and that's back up to Let's go. The, is. Oh no. Sounds. Yeah, so that's That is our utility slash trash recycling compost enclosure. Backside, the south side is going to house. Cold air handlers the home, screen them and give us a surface amount to and then the front will be this picket style. Screen the trash. And just for confirmation, No, there is an alley.

[66:00] That comes up I believe right here this is a neighboring house with a small side yard. And then I believe the alley. And up from And the dead ends into The neighbors property. Cotton return on the. Yeah. Yes, I believe that's their driveway. I have to look at that actually. Right now it's Side yard. Have to look for that. Obviously the main goal here on the left side is to screen our cars from the test device.

[67:00] I wonder if there was the This. For The Yeah. 4 photos taken from Spruce to the West looking back to the least to that neighboring property at at an angle. So are there any? . This So, Great, thank you, sorry. I think that maybe it's a driveway that runs due north and butts into the close fence, but not an alley.

[68:03] We don't have any other questions for the applicant. Yeah. I don't have any questions. So. Well, close that section. Thank you, and we will move to public comment. For in person individual sign up sheets are located on the DAYS next to A. Please, if you haven't already, fill this out. When every call to the name, you will have 3 min to speak for you. And don't see a lot of. After that. Virtual attendees, please raise your hand. Or press star 9 if you would like to speak to the. Moderator will announce that anyone who has identified. Name speaker. Wherever it is, will have to raise their hand and swear to tell the board the whole truth.

[69:07] And state their full name to proceed. Or 3 min. So I'll give it a minute to see if We will. Allowing you the microphone, I think probably will, unmute, we need an option to. Sweet and when the clock starts. Your time will start. Where are you? To tell the truth. Which you can just say. When you open and then state your name and I swear and a slim seagull. And I really like this design. I could say one thing though, the landscaping I would prefer.

[70:13] If it's much more natural. Not perfectly space type things. Cause I think that's the kind of landscape that that Mapleton Hill has and that Boulder in general has. Much more. At. I mean, this is very beautiful and everything, but it's very Perfect and measured. And for a house with this much dynamism. On 2 sides. That is really going to be. You know, faced by the public a lot right downtown. I'd just like to see natural landscaping.

[71:07] And. This design is not that way. So that's just my suggestion. But. Otherwise, it's a really Well done, renovation. I've been in the house. About 25 years ago. When some friends lived in that. I think there was an entrance kind of on the Let's see, South Side. And it was divided up turned to a whole bunch of living spaces. So, actually remember the place. But it would be nice if they put a sign. On it because I went today to see exactly where it was and landscape. Landmarks did the house next door. At 9 34 but there was no way you could see a number for this house and I know it's the house but maybe everybody else doesn't.

[72:07] So just a suggestion. So thanks. It's really a very beautiful job. I like the columns. I like the fencing. I accept that. I'd rather there wasn't fencing at all, but if there has to be fencing. Then, you know, fences also trap. You know, burglars inside a property too. So it's actually Not fences are not all they're cracked up to be. In my opinion. But. But what you've done is very fine and it looks like it meets the guidelines. So. I support it. Thanks. Done. And Okay. Do we have anyone else?

[73:01] There I had 13 more seconds. I would say also the most important thing. That we do something about Gaza. Because there's no purpose in spending 5 or 10 million dollars on fixing this house up. If it's going to be blown to infinity. In the rubble. Which it will be. We'll give it a minute or 2. Public. I think that's. Okay. Public comment is close for this. Project and Yeah, does the applicant want to make any response?

[74:13] I. Do you wanna respond? Yeah, yeah. It's open for you to respond.

[75:00] Yeah. So, just in response to the, to the planting style, focused on, mainly showing the, Perfect elevations from that. Street public view in but once we're inside of the of the yard, we're going to be. Design it very carefully designing Can you look, And we still are very. Not only appropriate for Colorado climate. In areas where there is some exposure. Will be very careful to 0 planting to absolutely minimize. The demand for water. We also started to study the microclimates that we're finding on site. We are finding some shady cooler pockets that I will just have more ambient moisture.

[76:01] So we will be utilizing things like Costas. And then in the very hot dryer is to south. Portion of the R, we're gonna implement grasses, but. Most of the perennials that we'll be using would be considered to be. More formal, English garden. Very period appropriate. But, also used in proper way. Very, very, resilient. And appropriate for the Colorado climate. So, Order of the low hedge. That will make take, formality, the out of the plantings within the perennial beds. Will be much looser. Naturalized. Okay.

[77:09] Yeah. Why is approximately 30? Audrey. It is. I hope either. Alright, Sorry. Okay, Sorry.

[78:04] I just pull up the Last site plan. It's just the largest context. And, actually. So I think that this is incredible. No preferences side about what types of plant materials, etc. I think that your application is very coherence. Well, I think the design is, spot on for the character that you're going for. And I think in general, I plan to support. And I talked with you on this and know that your team is coming cash for other projects. And I continually find that our Yeah. And the . Just wanted to share that

[79:16] The one thought that came to mind for me is about the way in which That's the. And I think, on the image here on the east side of the was an interesting and I think appropriate response to the neighbors. But, and then is the test returns. And, and, and, to, close, fence, He has transition point and you chose a great transition. Roughly about the corner of the house for all of the wonderful my question, is really a discussion for everybody and something that It's not the second, Spruce Street, which I recognize here.

[80:11] Is a desire to . Which I think is, very smart but I also know that parking starts, a little bit deeper back at the property at He's not reflected in this, but the value, is the second frontage on screw Street shows how, the, the, and that's Perhaps there could be. The conversation we have. Where We might try to honor that. By equal transparency in a similar fashion. To the other. Beyond that, not, Oh, board members. I think the rest.

[81:18] I Actually. So as well. Privacy of a, you know. Please, Okay. It could open it up a little bit. Okay. How hard is it come back?

[82:04] That all would. If I could just jump in. Yeah, so right now as I see this, the parking area generally starts It's just, And that is more or less lined with front of building, but behind fronted porch. Okay. Go back to so the existing structure. Of reference points I think, other individuals who are looking at second, should be overall saying. Yeah, why don't we go back to that? And so, you know, while we have that green. You know, we can kind of see that the front elevation, of the structure on this property, of the structure on this property is close to line with the front elevation, of the structure on this property.

[83:07] Obviously it's but I'd love to. Yeah, That's 10 Abby. Thank you, John. I'm to be sure I could hear everybody. I also employed close captioning on it and not only could I then follow everything there were some fun spellings of some words that everyone used so I got a teeny bit entertained as well. I, I agree. I mean, I think this is a beautiful design. The renderings are gorgeous. I think this is in very capable hands. And I think one of the luxury of our guidelines, and I know there are times when the board talks about the need to look at different historic district guidelines and perhaps work with the residents there to update them.

[84:14] But you know one of the luxuries we have with the guidelines still is to look at an individual property in sight when we weigh in on these kind of proposals. And I think that there are other properties and, you know, clearly one of the most treasured historic districts in Boulder where offense proposed like this might not be appropriate because so many of those yards have since they were built been open. But I think there were some compelling things here. Unless I misread or misheard Claire's presentation. That not only is there some historic evidence of something on that property that that was used as defense or so forth, I think what we really need to acknowledge here is that the location of this at sort of that nexus of you know transition between residential to commercial or whatever that not only is this something I think necessary for the owners.

[85:13] And whoever lives there, I think that is something that's totally appropriate. And I know that Ronnie and Renee brought up a couple of good points. But I will be supporting staff's recommendation. I, I think that this is so beautifully executed and I, you know, I, Lin, I appreciated your comment about how the current rendering shows sort of at more formal on the exterior, but I also heard that, you know, part of that is, is, you know, the the final plantings and all of that will be worked out as the site demands, but I just want to say great job and and I'm pleased to support this.

[86:00] I'll just wrap up. With first of all, Concurring with my colleagues on this, I think it's an excellent design. It's an excellent response to the. Guidelines. District and citywide. It's a particularly intense site. Considering its location. And I think that it's totally argueable. Defenses. At the level of the expression that Mark is bringing to him. Oh, kind of define the space, not so much for security, but just for visual definition of the space. And I also think that it's gonna be. I guess significantly on a . You're used to in at least the places where I've seen it Rhydian tends to not really manifest in your I mean, there's power lines strong all over older aerial.

[87:08] We really don't see them that much until you take a photograph and realize And it's, filters some of these things. I think this is gonna serve that purpose. I think that I think that in terms of Kind of amplifying the architecture of the building behind. I think that the formality of it the screen is justify the landscape. Plant material itself. I think. The. Shrub elements. We'll do things that kind of work. With the whole of the design on that site. And so I'm very happy to support this.

[88:05] For that being said, we have a motion. No, I'm Well, I awesome. S. And then I'm wondering what. Our. The transparency. Or. Did you have I really, I don't have That it does 3, 1. One issue is very difficult to see through, which is and I think that the views from that point are going to tend to be angular.

[89:01] It's sufficient transparency in the back side of the house. If you're walking along. On that side. In other words, your view is gonna be passed towards the direction you're walking. You're walking along, And so your tendency is gonna. And annual view. Even if us close screen asks. That's my. I don't think it's exactly. Because it could be a very dance landing. And accomplish the same kind of visual screen. And. Just to confirm, I'm sorry, I don't remember how tall this events there.

[90:01] Yeah, that's right. So, you know, I think that our Nice talk about some of our plates of fences. And I think it talks about a dimension that's come over. So, and there's 2 parts. One is the height of it and then. My other thought is about the transparency piece. And so we actually have some guidelines for the. And. No, I think it's a wall. I'm sorry. And I think it's pretty unseen to have, 5 foot fence, come all the way up to the front, so. No, I would encourage my, fellow board members. Just think on that with me a little longer and perhaps staff has something that they could share with us about with the guidelines call out for and I'm sure that.

[91:05] Actually, so, Yeah. Yeah. 6. It's. So, that's, that's, And for those listening that he said that, he's correcting itself as the defense actually. That is the PICK. FAN, steps down to, 4, 6, 8, order that I've been talking about. And maybe, staff could tell us a little bit about, Sure. Well, I, I would appreciate. On things that. We study this for, many hours, but appreciate these extra eyes on it and you picked up on something that the guys do talk about, that.

[92:01] Its fences are typically no more than 36 inches in height up to a point of the front corner of the building and then step up to a higher. And so I, agree with the board's comments that as east along, that 4 foot 6 height that comes to the will be. House. Would support. Pulling back back so that it's screen, rather than. Right. So, What's that? Right, to bring about with this and I have some other thoughts on this. I wonder that we should open. Also has some thoughts on this that are probably design solutions that I hope could move towards common and the, solution so that we're not creating conditions.

[93:11] That. No, we will easily solve at this point. So I didn't. I think we might have just Yeah. So initially, as we have been discussing the main goal was to really screen the parking and to screen the driveway. The driveway. It's by code, we have to have this many parking spots based on the multi family code. Let's all start big to us in relation to the landscape. So. We are gonna put interval color into the driveway to get it to feel more like buff.

[94:00] As opposed to just a big, great slab. So I think that's that is gonna help immensely with diminishing the visual impact of this driveway. Slap. So the fence was meant to be in addition to that. And then of course the landscaping. Would be also on top of that. So. I actually am thinking about this and thank you for bringing this up as I look down at the southeast corner. I can't help but feel like the symmetry and the book ending of this much more formal stone curve column and red iron composition. Will feel more intentional. Balanced by turning the corner on the Northwest and bringing it to South. I would like to Study that neighboring property. Just in terms of what their conditions are. With their driveway and their parking. To just make sure that it doesn't fact make the most sense to bring it down to the parking which is slightly south of that front facade but from a pure aesthetic and design standpoint, I would say.

[95:11] The symmetry is would be really. Worthwhile. That's great. And interested in the guidelines call for, typically in front yards, 36 inches or lower than step up. It's a. And just to talk on this for a second, I think that the, in my opinion, the corner. The front base of the house where it comes with the might qualify as the location in which defense change is fine. And while this is part of your design, No, in other. Applications a lot of times.

[96:09] No, and so no side there, to make sense. In those pieces we often say well it should come. In addition to the corner back past the first feature point of articulation, or whatever. I think this one is unique and I think that that corner, that is the point of reference. Business will come up this you can analyze it and then being said if you were interested in return of the larger, that's at a transition point that you know more transplant but a partial return to the bike storage location to create greater privacy slash consumer vehicles. Some variation of that I think is also.

[97:03] Worth. Looking at and or not that it's required, I'm just trying to give you more tools. Because you have a couple of I'm just going to say left to right or east west things happening here that are back behind that point. First, circulation of the park install and then the north side of the bike stalls. And there could be a different. Way to address that. That. Hello, larger of those. Would have to Smaller and so if you wanted something small in front of those plates So just 13. Would you consider allowing the low stone curve stone column? Rather in combination that would start at the bike racks and go do north so we have one band columns which would very closely match the proportion or cadence of rest of the columns?

[98:04] Do you have a Northwest column, and then we set that southernmost column, and then we go to the 4 foot 6. Or do you feel like we need to bring? The column, house. Sorry, so, What I was trying to say is like Wanted to return. Wooden fence. Please. That for sure. On. You could also put the 36 inch fence in front of. I'm just, Okay. But I think the start point for. Change as the guidelines call out. Is that in this particular case the transition, does that happens to the

[99:13] Okay, I would also just say, you know, it seems to me that they're It is we pursue this. Please sign it. Bye. No, So yeah. And it sounds to me that the is. The, and the solution that works for you. We'll work out. Correct. Oh, we will need some. Yeah, I can.

[100:03] Okay. And just before I, makeup condition. What's the name of this? Because that's I wonder if you can pull up a motion. Unless you wanna rate the conditions right now. I apologize. Is that the thing that's highly, right now, an existing condition or is that you're trying to capture over as well. Yeah, I think the condition is more. I know that you have that. But it's not so much about the quality of what it is.

[101:01] I think it's just that on the west side of the property. Should be 36 inches or lower. To no point in which it aligns with the primary building. It depends on the West Side and Properties. This is just more over to the point where it lies with a minority elevation. Okay. And so the characterization, the app again to do so well. Which is come back and tell us. You know how the best design is?

[102:05] I. Yeah. 36 cents. Right. I feel pretty good about this. Oh no, I think that does. You know. Okay, and I'm sorry, the proposed fence. Yeah. Okay. 36 inches.

[103:05] And so I think this is a unique condition, perhaps, that tool. Might be usable and we might need We might be just not what I think about it. Because Let's say, So I would need that. And then if you wanna say 36 inches maybe, from up to and up to 18 inch So. I think there's a simple It's the same. Thanks. As opposed is allowed to wrap the corner.

[104:07] You just set that. No, so. That makes sense. That without the specifics of 36 inches. And, knowing that this, Always sounds good. Let me see. Okay. 30 more seconds to define the language. So I might suppose. This condition, relies architectural plans, lower fence on the left property line. To match the height of defense. Along. Up until corner and then.

[105:00] To the point Where the lines with primary elevation. Yeah, I think that's wonderful. That is the great design. That sounds like this. So, but. Yeah. It's the West Properly W. Hmm. That Yeah, too much. It's all okay.

[106:06] Thanks. Yes. There. Okay. Right, that's what Okay, I think this could come back to. We have, we all wanted to do. So I think that all board members. Yeah. Rodney, what I think you captured is, you know, I thank you for bringing this up because I don't want to use the word that I had a concern about that but it was one of the things I noticed more in light of things. We've either approved or not approved in the past based on the guidelines. So thank you for giving this so much thought and care.

[107:06] Thanks for the problem. I mean, there is one in 6 s left in this case. I want to know a motion. Hmm. I think that's the, the, the, the, the number, the December, sixth, 2,023 is the findings of the board. And, and, the landmark, alteration certificates constructed grim their wall and sense and other heart skating at 9 4 6 through street. A contributing house to meet. The store district is shown on plans dated November, Finding that the proposal meets the standards for issues of the landmark alteration certificate chapter 9 1118 BRC 1981 and is generally consistent with design guidelines with the general design guidelines and the district guidelines. With the conditions of approval that the athletes shall be responsible for completing your work in compliance with the approved plans except as modified by ease.

[108:07] In conditions of approval. 2 prior to submitting a building for the application, the final fisherman, the clamor alteration certificate, the. Which will be subject to final review, then approved by the staff. To make sure that the final sign of the addition is consistent with the general design guidelines and the intent of the revised architectural plans showing a lower fence on the West property line. To match the height of the screw street fence as proposed to the point where the lines with primary elevation and existing. I second that. Oh. Sorry, Renee. And so. Okay, we will proceed to a roll call. Happy?

[109:02] Bye. Hi. My vote on the motion passes. We covered next steps at the end of players presentation. So that so the first issue on matters is rescheduling January meeting to 1 20. Is there any discussion around this? Thanks. So, the first Wednesday of the new year follow it calls. Very close to that. So. We are. Pulling the board to see if you will be available. Second Wednesday of the month rather than. Okay. We can decide that.

[110:11] You just do it. Happy. It worked for me. Okay, We're all good camera. Great. And then the second piece is a. Because the LDRC scheduled to 2024 is right around the corner. So if you are. The planner and no, for birthdays or any other Wednesday, We send this to our. In the next week. Yeah. Sorry. We'll let in next mile. Thank you.

[111:15] Yeah. Okay, the joint study session with the parks and recreation advisory board is confirmed for Monday, December eighteenth. Yeah, and that will be here in City Council and, it is a hybrid. To attend in person. Everyone next to guys. If you can only make it, virtually. We still attend. Virtually and the purpose of the study session is for the 2 boards to come together both here update on the proposed to the periodic historic district process. Everything that's happened in the last 6 months. And then also provide some feedback on the draft design.

[112:05] And as a preview, the draft design guidelines have modified in scope, recognizing that it's a lot of work on the front end, without knowing what the designation outcome will be or the boundary outcome will be. So. What we chose to do was to focus it to. A draft intent, the table of contents what would be design. Hover, your district specific guidelines, we used before and then guiding principles, you know, specific design guidelines. And then, with that. If the district is designated. That council, to develop. So, very, important that you'll be at the joint study session on the eighteenth.

[113:04] And then looking forward. The parts and record advisory board will be asked for their input on the designation in general at their January 20 s meeting. And then February seventh is going to export designation. That then goes to marketing the same board. Likely in February and your review is you're asked to comment on any land use implications. In there actually dark side with this. That's all. And then it goes to city council. As an ordinance, so once I'm first reading and then. And while I'm hitting an update on this process, I'll also, interactive story. It's getting a bit of traction, but huge kudos, researching the area asking questions looking at newly accessible documents to try until a more complete history of the area.

[114:12] And it's a really neat way to. Explore it both with its start photos and maps. So you have to check it out. It's a Yes, and, Okay. Okay, thank you. So I should have known Claire was the architect of that story map. I, I, someone brought it to my attention and I've been playing with it so much it's absolutely fabulous and I see that Leonard Siegel said the board an email about a. And a walking tour of that district as well that people can take on their own and explore as well. But oh my gosh.

[115:02] Claire, that is the coolest thing I've ever seen. And it's always amazing how much we we learned and speaking of historic folder this past weekend they had their annual holiday house tour and this year they focused on small elegant homes in Mapleton and Whittier neighborhood and all of them were AD used with the exception that AG me let us go through his fabulous house in Whittier on the way to his A to you, but it was so illuminating. People were so, it brought to like the variety of ADUs I think most importantly what it it reiterated to the public is that We need to work. However we can to have a variety. Of living sizes and price points for people to live and work in Boulder. And you know, like I know AGE, in the 1,900 block of Mapleton his ADU is considered like the permanently affordable and is is can be run at 75% of sort of market rate so it just shows that we need to whenever we can advocate for for again a variety of sizes and spaces and you know just like anything in Boulder the 2 are really just put a spotlight on how creative

[116:30] and innovative architects are here in Boulder including the 3 of my colleagues on the board. I mean it really just sort of blew me away and I haven't really thought this through or talked very much with any staff member about this, but I think there could be an opportunity during. Preservation month in May and the fact that this is a next year is the fiftieth year of the preservation ordinance in Boulder if we could replicate for a few hours on a Saturday or Sunday in May, some of the ADUs because people are hungry for information.

[117:07] People are hungry to know more about him. See, see what can be done with it. It's it's There were a lot of inspiring ideas, but you know, and maybe work with the appropriate department and others in the city, but you know and maybe work with the appropriate department and others in the city like who can can kind of explain the current code and things because I just think. It really opened a lot of our minds to. To what's out there in terms of A to use. And that's it. Okay. All the Occupy. By humans or residents. Or were any of them u's used as home offices or studios or something other than actual developments.

[118:11] It was that variety. For example, there was one A to you on Bluff Street that was sort of grandfather, there was one A to you on Bluff Street that was sort of grandfathered in when it was it, you on Bluff Street that was sort of grandfathered in when it was it was new construction in 2,018 and it got grandfathered in so it can be rented a third of the year and then the owners the family who lives in the adjacent house. Use it for friends and family the rest of the time. And then others were rented out like year around or for year leases. And then there were other ADUs where currently the owners were using them as office space or you know like for their own personal use. So I'd say it was a good variety of the uses. That this was a very big topic last night. Yeah, and site review approval. Where we were.

[119:06] Site review plan. 60. And they were counted towards housing. But it was a it was pointed out clearly by some board members. That we have no We go away. In the, even though we've just updated our AD, There is no way of actually demanding that they be affected or actually anybody even living there. And so anyway, it was it was an interesting topic. There was nothing we could do about it last night. We approved the But we was a, it is an interesting topic and I think that It points out. That account. You say this is a when in fact it may not be involved.

[120:12] It was just an Thank you. And so it. This Yeah, related to community benefit and the annexation. And the missing middle housing. And. Total yes and in terms of the density in terms of the It was an LR 2 zoning. So we had 1515 rolling units. Exact desktop. Some acres but anyway it they Yes, we were counting them as well.

[121:07] Market rate. Housing. It's, it was, you know, it was presented as. As housing. Yeah. Yeah. Of seeing that through. Yeah, just it was it was an interesting topic. Again, it's a bit of a conundrum because, Now, whether it's rented or. Your mother lives there without. Just anyway, the current code. Is limited in. In our ability to. See. Do we have any? The.

[122:08] Alright, that be said. Everyone have happy holidays and this meeting is adjourned. Thank you, John.