October 15, 2024 — Human Relations Commission Regular Meeting

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[0:11] His name. So this is the October 15, th 2024 Human Relations Commission meeting. Thank you for joining us. We do have an interpretation service tonight. So folks that are joining us by zoom, if you can, please. navigate to the bottom portion of your screen and click the globe that should give you a menu of language is available tonight. If you can just pick the language, you would like to listen to this meeting in y bienvenidos a toros estes la reunion de el commission de Relacione sumas de la siora de Boder

[1:10] menu globo. by where esta reunion. Okay. that being, said, Carlos, I will hand it over to you. Thank you, everybody. Good evening. Let's start our Elections Commission meeting. let's 1st and

[2:01] see we have some adjustment to the agenda. Yes, we have one adjustment that staff would like to make. We would like to add to discussion and information. Items are conversation on update to the Commissioner's handbook. Okay. do they? Do we need to vote on that final to approve the amendment here? It is a compare motion. We need a board. Thank you.

[3:04] Perfect. No. the point number 3 is approval over the minimums of the last month. I want to say I'm sorry. Couldn't be here last month. But I already read Man Webinar signature. I'm about to. It. Looks like Peter's on mute. Yeah. okay. I second the motion speaker. Do you mind saying something, so we can just test audio again.

[4:00] Yes, hi! Great thanks. That's a follow up. Sorry while Carlos is talking, so I might have missed something. No problem just checking. Think. The next point is open comments online. Do we have any correspondence secret? And before we go ahead and do that. I do know. We have one audience member who would like to make comment. I just wanna make a few remarks about public participation at city meetings before we jump into that, and then we can do the public comment. So if you just bear with me, I'm going to read through a couple of line items here. So this is public participation. At city meetings.

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[6:01] all remarks and testimony shall be limited to matters related to city business. No participant shall make threats or use other forms of intimidation against any person. obscenity, racial epithets, and other speech and behavior that disrupts or otherwise impedes the ability to conduct. The meetings are prohibited. participants are required to sign up to speak, using the name they are commonly known by, and individuals must display their whole name before being allowed to speak online. Currently, only audio testimony is permitted. Online 150, and we will have the interested audience members just raise their hand using their raise hand function on zoom to identify themselves when we are ready for a comment.

[7:02] Perfect! Do we have anybody interested in making public comment tonight? Looks like we have one person. So let me get on. So we have Mark fear, who is going to make some public comment. Mark I'm going to promote you to panelists temporarily, so that you may speak Are you able to hear me?

[8:01] Okay? Oh, God, you can see me alright. Never mind. I know you guys don't want to see me. So actually, I was planning on speaking, and then I changed my mind, and I've changed my mind again. So I wanted to speak briefly on tenant issues and trying to. I have spoken to the Hrc. Before about taking up. Consider. Tenant issues as a human right in boulder. But I'm feeling like, I'm a little premature on this, because I'm going to be speaking with some council members on this issue. As people probably know, Council is a number of Council members are interested in seeing more tenant protection. and, as I have said before, the Hrc. Used to be quite instrumental in promoting tenant protections.

[9:00] That's true. But I think I'm gonna wait until I speak with the other council members to exactly what we want to do. 2, 2. And so, unless there's questions, I'll leave it at that. Let me see. Yeah, thank you, Mark, for bringing up this important issue. And I look forward to hearing what Council says and what tenant, what specific tenant issues you're looking to talk about. So thank you. Okay. You see that. Okay, just so, you know, I can barely hear you. And that's fine. Okay. you wanna try again. I just said, Thank you, Mark, for coming. And I'm looking forward to hearing more about what tenant issues you're looking to work with us on. And we'll look for your comment. And City Council's

[10:00] How they want us to to support those efforts. So thank you. Okay. I'm sure you don't wanna have to cup your hands. The whole meeting. You can see me. I didn't. Just having real audio problem with any of the panel members from the audience perspective. Okay, yeah, we're having a lot of tech issues tonight. Yeah, I know. I saw that. Okay, carry on. Thanks. This is gonna be a great recording. The recording should be better than points. Listen alright. Back over to you. We do not have anybody, nobody else for public comment.

[11:00] I can hear everyone climbs the speaker. Okay, thank you, Keith. That's okay. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Mark, for being here. We are going to waive your comments when you, after you talk to the city council. Thank you. Okay. The next is the action items. Do we have any action items. Not for this meeting. Next up, we would have discussion, informational items. Okay. the next is a discussion, informal info-information of Israeli.

[12:04] It's a lab to combat human trafficking by Karna Politan is the education component should be registered and Kara just joined. Hi, Kara, nice to see you. Hi! Nice to see you all. Alright, and your timing is impeccable. We just got to your bullet item on the agenda, and we are doing a little bit of a hybrid meeting tonight, and so you'll see in one screen Carlos Valdez and Emily Loker. and then in a different screen, there is Fickre Jakob. These are the 3 commissioners that we have present tonight.

[13:00] My video is not working. No worries. And give me 1 min. Joys of using zoom nice to meet you all. Nice to meet you, too. Well, I don't. I don't know if if this this needs to get set up, or anything like, or if I should just start talking about what I do and and why I'm here. You you guys tell me how this should go. Give me one second. I'm trying to get you up on our screen. Okay, cool? So if you would, I mean, do the commissioners have any anything to say before I can give a little, just a little background of what we were talking about at our last meeting, and then hand it over to you, Carol. Great so the topic of human trafficking has been a conversation item at a couple of our Most recent Commissioner Commission meetings, and at our last meeting, specifically.

[14:03] Aaron, who's not here tonight? shared the sort of conclusion of a meeting we had with Anna Sylvia. Who is a city staff member just discussing the opportunity to present a community training on human trafficking. Available to sort of the General Boulder community. As a result of that. commissioners asked me to reach out to lab, to combat human trafficking staff, to set up an opportunity to discuss putting on the event. And so Kara has very graciously agreed to join us today, and I just made a few asks to get of Kara to get the conversation started, and then any questions or any conversation that you all want to have, sort of. After that

[15:00] the floor is yours. So, Kara, I will pass it over to you. Okay, great. Hi, everyone. I welcome your questions and I appreciate the opportunity. It's really actually rare to be invited into a a conversation like this proactively. So I appreciate the proactive nature of what you're what you're trying to do in Boulder. Let me just tell you a little bit. I'll try to be brief about just who we are and what we do just to situate you in this and that kind of anti-trafficking space that I work in. So my name is Kara. I am the education and partnerships director at a nonprofit organization called the Laboratory to combat human trafficking. We are Denver based. But we operate statewide. And I travel around the State. I manage the training and education program. I also do some other things. But in this context, that's what's most relevant. And we have developed evidence-based curricula, non sensational

[16:03] curricula about human trafficking in collaboration with survivors as well as professionals who work in different sectors and a great deal of literature on the topic, to train mostly professionals who work in spaces, who will likely see trafficking survivors. So we're talking about law enforcement prosecutors and da's offices as well as judicial. But then also child welfare folks or people working with systems involved youth in various capacities, people working in the healthcare space, and then also various other sort of what we would call parallel movements. So people working in domestic violence, sex assault, homelessness, and substance misuse in particular, as well as teachers and school staff and youth. both youth who are in school settings and who are incarcerated. We've developed different curricula for all of those, either sectors or groups of people

[17:00] to train them on what human trafficking is, and isn't what they will see in their work, and how to respond in a compassionate, evidence-based and legal way, depending on what their role is right. We talk about mandatory reporting we talk about, and we tailor each of our presentations to the audience. So you know, when we're talking with teachers, we're obviously talking about child trafficking or the trafficking of their family members when we're in a law enforcement setting, we're talking about investigations. So most of our trainings are tailored to professional groups or young people. But when we do community trainings which we do not quite as often, but still pretty frequently, maybe 10 to 15 more sort of community based trainings per year. We generalize those we do a lot of myth busting. We get people on the same page about what trafficking looks like locally. And then we talk about various ways that they can plug in to help, be it personal ways of what they spend their money on, be it volunteerism, or donating to an organization that is doing this anti-trafficking work, or understanding how to get in contact with somebody to report a suspicious situation, using the Colorado human trafficking hotline, which we also happen to manage.

[18:18] All of our trainings are free. We have grant money to cover the costs of those, and we offer them either in person or virtually for an hour, usually for for the like lower end of the amount of time up to 3 h. But for a community focused training normally, it would be an hour or an hour and a half, and no more than that. And we're flexible with whether or not that is, the interest is to be in person or to be virtual. We really our main goal is to reach as many people possible with the truth about what this is and how to respond to it. Yeah, I'm happy to answer questions. Talk through, you know. I mean, if it if it's content, related questions, or if it's like logistics related questions, or or both.

[19:11] You know, this is a tough topic, obviously. So I suspect that there may be some concerns around the topics that we'll cover and discuss and controversial things that might happen during a training. I've seen it all. I've trained personally over like 45,000 people in the State of Colorado, and very rural and urban communities. So I've seen it all, and I'm I'm happy to answer questions. I have a question for you. Thank you so much for being here and bearing with our technical issues. I have a question. You mentioned that, especially for community trainings, you're educating people on what the issue looks like locally. Can you give us an understanding of how human trafficking is measured, and if you have any understanding of what it looks like in the city of Boulder, what it looks like here in the city.

[20:12] Sure. Yeah, I'll start with the latter part of your question. And then I'll talk about data and measuring, because that's more complicated. But yeah. So I am very familiar with many, many trafficking cases in Boulder. Your da's office is very active in the anti-trafficking movement. You've got one of your Das, who was on the Colorado Human Trafficking Council for a number of years. You've got an investigator solely dedicated to the issue of human trafficking within your EPA's office, Edna Munoz, who I work with closely, and several other staff members, and one task force dedicated to this issue. I've trained most of. I've been part of training of most of Boulder, Pd. As well as the Da's office, and then also public safety and some staff in various departments across the boulder community. We also get a lot of calls to our Colorado human trafficking hotline that stem from issues in boulder. So a lot of it is related to housing, insecurity and homelessness.

[21:13] When people are housing, insecure or homeless, they have unmet needs, traffickers leverage those unmet needs to force people to engage in sex work or unpaid labor. So we're talking about both labor and sex trafficking. We've seen situation. Well, one particular situation in Boulder at a Thai restaurant where the owner of the business was recruiting workers from Thailand and forcing them to live in inhumane, animal-like conditions, working off a debt that was unspecified, and they were working a ridiculous amount of hours and not getting paid for their labor. That's 1 specific example. But we see that kind of stuff happening, not just in restaurants, but also in construction, agriculture, ranching, and in anything with subcontracted labor. So that's construction and also cleaning crews for hotels.

[22:11] Obviously, Boulder has all of those industries. Right? Hospitality is a big part of your economy as well as construction, because there is so much need for housing in boulder in the boulder community. So those are some of the industries where we see a lot of exploitation happening in both Boulder and Denver. There's also a demand for sex. We see young people being sold for sex, young people trading sex to meet their survival needs so kind of bringing us back to that issue of housing and homelessness where people are trading sex for housing. We also see it in situations where there's drugs involved. Either somebody who is already addicted to substances. Somebody latches onto that person either starts supporting that person or supporting their drug habit, and then starts leveraging that addiction to force somebody to engage in sex work or unpaid labor in order to pay back maybe a drug debt.

[23:12] or even a presumed debt, like I got you out of your homelessness situation. And now you owe me. So we see a lot of kind of leveraging debt in those situations. In a place like Boulder, where the cost of living is so high and housing is so expensive. We also just see a lot of people living in pretty untenable situations where you've got maybe 15 people living in a 2 bedroom, condo taking turns sleeping, for example, and maybe that housing they're getting paid. I mean, they're paying a ridiculous amount of money for that housing, you know. maybe 8 times what they should be paying and that money is coming directly out of their paycheck. They're not getting paid for the actual labor that they're doing. There's like, I'm just kind of throwing out here a lot of situations that we see. Also, domestic service is another kind of category where we see this. So anyone living and working in somebody's home as a nanny or a cook, or somebody who cleans the house

[24:11] a lot of power dynamics there. So you've got a lot of wealth and a lot of poverty mixed together, which is also boulder in a lot of other places. I'm not picking on Boulder. You get power dynamics where someone could bring somebody in, maybe from another country. Maybe they're all from the same country, but some the folks who own. The home are documented citizens, and they bring someone in on a temporary work. Visa, confiscate their document. force them to overstay their visa so that they're now undocumented, and then are providing housing and maybe food, but aren't actually paying somebody for their labor. So we see a lot of domestic service situations that turn into trafficking as well. How we measure this is a real challenge, because if you can imagine the victims and the perpetrators and the power dynamics that I just.

[25:00] You can imagine also that the victims are usually people from vulnerable or marginalized communities who are unlikely to report their situation to law enforcement out of fear of either not being believed, or possibly being arrested for a crime that they were forced to commit, or really just not understanding that what's happening to them is labor or sex trafficking and not knowing who or how to report. and so much of those many, many of those cases don't get reported, the majority. The way that we hear about them is through our community partners who are more trusted. So we hear about them through organizations that are working alongside immigrants as immigrant advocates, or we hear it from sex assault or domestic violence shelters or homeless shelters, or you know, some combination thereof, where they're hearing reports of this. They're telling us stories. They're calling the human trafficking hotline for resources. But those individuals aren't willing to report to law enforcement. So we have some data. We have a number of hotline calls. We have a lot of anecdotal data, but as far as cases go, we would have to talk to the Boulder Da's office to get the actual number, but I can assure you that Edna has not stopped moving since she was hired a few years ago. She has had a full caseload.

[26:19] And I am just gonna thank you very much. Just gonna put out sort of like a blanket reminder for everyone. We have interpretation tonight, and Spanish is often a little bit longer to get out. So if we can just speak a little slower to allow the interpreters to be able to successfully get the message across. Thank you for that reminder. I'm terrible. I'm sorry. No problem. no problem. Sorry I didn't want to interrupt there commissioners. Other questions. Comments, anything like that?

[27:13] Sorry I did not have my interpretation turned on, so I'm turning it on now. Okay. yes, yes. Oh, yes, sir, absolutely. So there's many places to report, and it really depends on what kind of a response you're looking for. I mean the you know the the thing that pops to mind is law enforcement, of course, and because you have such such well trained and compassionate law enforcement in boulder, I would recommend reporting to the human trafficking unit, either within Boulder Pd. Or within the da's office. However, if you don't have direct access to those individuals, we would recommend calling the Colorado human trafficking

[28:02] hotline. Now, not everybody wants to report to law enforcement, and we understand why people are afraid of that, and we fully support anyone's decision not to report to law enforcement. In those cases we would suggest either finding a lawyer to help represent somebody to better understand what their civil, legal needs may be, or to seek resources beyond reporting to law enforcement. have to necessarily file a police report in order to receive the resources that you might need to move forward to get to safety, or to get into a situation where you could be a more healthy part of society. So I mean, like, there's there's lots of ways people can report, but we have the human trafficking hotline for that anonymity and to provide resources for somebody who may not be interested in a law enforcement response. But when somebody is interested in a law enforcement response, we have very strong working relationships with the law enforcement officers who we know are trained, and that we trust to respond in a trauma informed way. And we can pass those tips along to those officers

[29:07] anonymously again, if so desired, or with your information, if you'd be willing to allow somebody to follow up with you. Might just interject, Oh, speaker, go ahead! Yeah. So this is gonna be a very difficult question. But what do you think is like the most effective strategy, I guess, for preventing human trafficking in our community. There's about a hundred different ways. And there's no one that's gonna solve the problem so I can talk through the ones that, I think, Boulder County Commissioners could work on if you'd like me to. So I would say that we do not have sufficient capacity to prevent this issue at this moment. I think that education goes a long way. I really do believe that. And I think

[30:09] if we could all be on the same page about what human trafficking is, and isn't. It would be an excellent place to start. And I mean that truly there is a lot of misinformation out there about this topic, and frankly, a lot of disinformation as well. A lot of hype right? The only stories you hear are stories of kidnapping of young females into sex trafficking situations, usually by male perpetrators. And then all the stories they're driving some like scary white van. And they're in a target parking lot that happens less than 1% of the time. So if that's the only thing we think trafficking is, it will be the only thing we ever find right so expanding that definition to be more inclusive of all the lived experiences and identities of people who are trafficked and who are traffickers, and of course, especially focusing on both labor and sex trafficking and not just sex trafficking is vital to really understanding this issue and combating it. That's the baseline

[31:07] getting this information into schools, I think, is important, and that is something that I think Commissioners could advocate, for I realize that you don't control the Board of Directors, the Board of Education. But that, I that I think, is something that something could be advocated for at your level. Getting this information in front of young people in a age appropriate way, I think, is also really important how to stay safe online. how to engage in the labor market in a safe and sustainable way, like that kind of information, is vital as well. We have had an influx of immigrants into Colorado. About 40,000 people who arrived last year, mostly bussed in from Texas. We had about 20,000 of those individuals stay in the State of Colorado, and they have spread out across the State looking for work. and we're seeing a huge uptick in exploitation of of undocumented immigrants. Specifically those who've recently arrived and are unhoused and have no pathway towards legal work at this moment, and so I think

[32:17] educating folks on their rights, and how to come forward if they are exploited, or if something does happen to them is vital. We're seeing, not just labor trafficking, but also a great deal of wage theft. And I know Boulder is doing a great job addressing that. But there's more that we could do. There's so much of a capacity issue right like a lot of people maybe in Boulder in particular might know what wage theft is, more so, maybe, than other parts of the State. because of the good work that you've already done there. But I think that there's still just a lack of auditors and folks who are enforcing the law, so increasing the capacity of the auditor's office, increasing the capacity of investigators and the da's office and the sheriff's office. I know you don't have control over the municipalities in your region, but you do have some control over the sheriff's office and the Da's office, increasing capacity for investigators

[33:15] and investigations and prioritizing those is another thing that county commissioners can do. I think if we start holding perpetrators accountable for not just labor trafficking, but all labor exploitation and wage theft in general, that it will start to disincentivize it. I think at this point. We're barely scratching the surface of seeking justice in that space. And and so perpetrators are doing the math, and it behooves them to continue to not pay their employees because they're so often going without any kind of punity whatsoever, or if they do actually have to pay someone for the money that they didn't pay with a tiny little fine. It's still it still works. The math still works for them to continue to perpetrate the crime. So we need to be holding people accountable. We need to be educating people about what this is

[34:11] and then from a prevention space. If we're if we're going back to like some of the root causes that I was talking about when I 1st started talking. Homelessness and substance misuse. Right? If we're addressing those issues that are pushing people into precarity. Then we are preventing trafficking right for care. So like, if we really want to prevent trafficking, we've got to be meeting people's needs, because at this point traffickers are meeting people's needs. If a trafficker has a place for someone to go. and it's about to start snowing outside, and there's no housing available. Someone's going to go with that potential trafficker. They're going to take that risk, not knowing whether or not it's dangerous, because sleeping outside in negative 10 degree weather is more dangerous, right? So people are making calculated decisions about their safety based on unmet needs. So meeting needs is how we prevent trafficking. addressing substance, abuse, and and homelessness in particular.

[35:04] it's deep, it's deep stuff. this work. Thank you. Thank you so much for your. Thank you so much for your answers. I'm thinking about our area of of influences, Commissioners, and I. We initially set out to maybe do a training. So I'm hearing that there are a lot of other spheres of influence like the Maybe the sheriff's office, the da's office, although it gets complicated with, we're city commissioners, not county Commissioners. So. That. Yeah, that's that's part of the complication with our influence. but advocating for more training in schools, I'm hearing. But if we were to prioritize putting on training for community members or trying to support a training for a specific group of people in Boulder. What? Which group would you recommend. We we

[36:16] strategically prioritize. And why. So that's a hard question. I mean, I will say that there are a lot of people who've already gotten trained in Boulder and I and I haven't done the math on that like I've been in this position for 7 years. At the laboratory to combat human trafficking, and I have all the data on how many people have been trained since I took this position in every part of Colorado, including boulder and I could do the math on that. I could give you a list of organizations. A lot of nonprofit organizations have been trained, but also government agencies and departments. As well as like law enforcement. We've also done some like tourism like people who work in restaurants and hotels trainings in your region.

[37:05] so so it's not that we're starting from scratch right? So knowing that I think one of the big ones that we'd want to focus on our healthcare providers. The data show, and also my anecdotal experience working with survivors tells me that somewhere between 80 and 90% of trafficking survivors will show up in a healthcare setting in an er or in a clinic during the time they're being trafficked. So it's an incredible opportunity to make an identification and potentially an intervention or get someone. Resources. So healthcare providers in general are are a priority for for me and for our organization. Law enforcement, which, as I said, have been trained in boulder. So that's great. And then anyone working in child welfare or with systems involved youth. So it's not just child welfare, right? Because they work with so many community partners. So foster families. When we think about kids who are being trafficked, about 65% of them have been in the Foster care system.

[38:13] That is a ridiculous percentage, right? A very high percentage. So anyone who's working along alongside foster youth should be trained. Those are our priorities as an organization, and I think it holds true in Boulder, too. But I also think teachers and students would be a high priority for me. Like all that said. it's also really just everybody right? Because, like people should understand what this is should expand their definition of what this is should be on the lookout in their communities. We know, especially in the Latinx community, that people don't want to talk about exploitation. There's cultural considerations. There's this, there's an attitude of like sort of like, deal with it and work hard, and you'll push through it. And there's a lot to be said for sort of normalizing this conversation in Latinx communities and bringing it to the surface and talking about the really absurd amounts of

[39:16] wage, theft, and labor exploitation that are happening among immigrant populations and Latinx populations. In particular. I know it's a lot I got a lot of. I got a lot of words, it's there. There's data to back all of this up, too. So I'll also just add that all of our trainings are all of our training materials are translated into Spanish, and we have Spanish language training facilitators as well. So of course, we can always offer something with an interpreter or interpreters, but we can also offer things specifically in Spanish altogether. Without interpreters. In the future.

[40:05] I think I'm hearing kind of a an in a sphere of influence. And how can we use our. what little power we have as commissioners to suggest and encourage other bodies to take this issue seriously. From that perspective, I feel like it would be really important for us to go through the training ourselves to more deeply understand the issue and and what it looks like. But then I'm also hearing that community training, including a training for our Latinx communities here in Boulder would would be helpful. I'm curious, like functionally for the Commission, like, what do we have to get City Council approval for versus what can we just like? Do ourselves

[41:00] like working with the schools, for example, require City Council approval? If you hypothetically, if the Commissioners wanted to have to kind of host a community training. This has happened various times in the past where commissioners you could kind of use one of your regular meetings and have the agenda to be a training. You could set up a special event, and that could be just publicly noticed to try to get people to come, and, you know, work on some proactive messaging. If it's not a very heavy staff lift, if it becomes something that Christian or myself, or or other staff would have to just spend a lot of time to support. That's something that would definitely need. You'd want to get

[42:03] agreement from City Council right? Because you can't, up to a point kind of tell us what to do right to staff what to do. But I think there would be some flexibility to where, if you wanted to look at it as a priority for the next calendar year, just acknowledging that November and December are probably not the best times to have something, and our colleagues at the lab would definitely need more notice. that's certainly could be a good approach. If again, like, if Kara, you know and you want to go that path if you wanted to get more specific, I think. we have to think about that a little bit. I think, just to Kara's point, it would probably take a little bit more knowledge about what you know, the school districts and some other agencies are already doing, because it's not your role to kind of tell somebody else that they need to have this work done?

[43:09] But maybe it's a community. If you were to do a community training, you could also intentionally invite key people from different organizations or agencies or institutions to come if if they haven't been exposed to this work. recently, I mean, last earlier this year there, and Carrie referenced this, there was a training held specifically by the district attorney's office that got a lot of people right who are in a in a, in a job in the job professional role that they would see this. So but yeah, I think there's definitely things that you could do that would not be a very heavy lift. You wouldn't need to get permission for that. It would just have to go on your own work plan. So you can really kind of plan that out and have some of those strategic

[44:01] conversations. Is that helpful? Kara also put in the chat here. It's a very light lift on our end. Don't know if you wanna speak a little bit more to that, Kara, as well. Sure. Yeah, we do this a lot right if you if you can't tell so it it really is, you know, for us if it's in. If it's in person, we need a space that we can connect to a screen and and sound, if possible, because sometimes we use videos, and then we generally would create a flyer. We would run it by you for your approval. But it's nonsensational and not scary. Usually we just have, like a picture of a boulder community or something. You know, and it would give a description of what the training would provide general description a little bit about who we are, the laboratory to combat human trafficking, and why people should attend, and also a list of

[45:15] in many cases. It's it's like for healthcare providers who should attend healthcare providers, behavioral health. Anyone who works, you know, community partners who work with healthcare providers. That's like an example. So we would put a list of who should attend, and why on the flyer. and then we would put a registration link, or, if that's not desired, a just an address, you know, or so it's up to you. If you would want to have a registration, we don't require people to register necessarily. So all that you would provide really is the space and the time. We would show up we would bring our posters and our hotline cards and our pamphlets, and we would plug into your screen, and we would facilitate the training. You know. So it's it's not. It's not a really a heavy lift on on really anyone's end. When it's virtual, it's even easier. Right? We just create a link. We create a registration to that link. And we create a similar flyer but we just say on the flyer that it's happening virtually and we would probably put your logo on it. We would say, this

[46:17] training is being hosted in collaboration with Boulder City Board of Commissioners. And we would put your logo on there if so desired. And then, yeah. And then it's really up to you all to get the word out. So I love I I don't actually know who was saying, but we could be strategic about who we invite, so I'm not sure where this, where the information was coming from. But I love the idea of being strategic about who you invite but inviting fo folks from education, you know, whatever that looks like in Boulder, I think, would be huge. And I could work that into the training right? The training could be an hour. But 5 min of the training is sort of this is why we think people in Boulder should get trained on this. This is what we can offer. If you are interested, please please let us know. You know something like that.

[47:04] and we would bring as much. We have all these informational documents as far as what's going on in Boulder schools. I don't think that there's, as far as I know, there's no training or education on human trafficking right now. There is the Dps. Denver public schools has received a large grant a 5 year grant from Federal government to start integrating human trafficking training into their schools. And they have started that process. That is the only place where they're systematically doing it. There's lots of schools that we've gone into where it's been sort of ad hoc. We got invited into this one school by this one principal who cares about this issue or something? Aurora public schools is the other one that we've been working with more regularly sort of going, starting with behavioral health professionals in Aurora public schools and working our way down to school based professionals and eventually to students. But that's kind of a long term goal that we're working with. I don't think that anything like that is happening in Boulder, as far as I know, but we would. Just. There's a couple of people who work on the in the Boulder Da's office Task force. H. It's called Project 10 who would know that for sure? So we could find that out pretty quickly, but I think strategically inviting folks would be that would be on you all. That's the other. Ask to get that flyer out in front of the right people and get the right people into the training.

[48:28] And and you, said, Sarah, that you would be willing to provide a list of organizations that you've already been to in Boulder. So we didn't strategically invite folks who are already trained. That would be really. Happy to do that, although there is so much turnover in in these spaces that I would still invite them. Okay. But. But yes, I I'm happy to give you that list. That's a pretty easy poll. Pull for us. Well, I'm I'm feeling really excited about potentially hosting a training as in place of one of our meetings, I'm curious, Carlos, and figure how you all are are feeling and what you're thinking about

[49:11] terms of next steps. Okay. I'm definitely feeling excited about this as well. I think it's something that our community can use. Of course, like you said, education is always like such an important step in making a change in anything. So I mean, I don't know how we can get the word out. That's just like something that I'll just keep thinking about. I don't specifically know who to invite or how. as Commissioners, we actually do this. or if, like Elizabeth or Christian have contacts. I I don't know how we'll proceed in that, but I mean it's good that we're making the steps forward.

[50:03] Thank you. Figure I think, I think that is a good idea that that take this training. And I have people in the communities that can help us to pass boys about this training. Yeah, but especially in mobile homes. I have people to to do this. but we can work in other areas, too. Do you think, Carlos, it would be helpful to have a training that was a a Spanish speaking facilitator, or would a bilingual translated training. Be adequate. Do you think

[51:00] I think it can be bilingual bilingual? Okay? Thanks. And we could create that flyer in English and Spanish easily. We do that a lot. yeah, I mean, I can add that January is human trafficking awareness. Month thrown it out there. Appropriate it is. Appropriate. Yeah, exactly. And the the project. 10, the boulder Da's office is going to be all about this. They'll be really excited that if if you plan this they will help us get the word out, and they are fantastic at that. So I'm just going ahead and volunteering them for this work. We're hopefully making their jobs easier. So. Exactly. Our hope is to to lighten and and spread out the responsibility and load for for this work. Yeah. I think I mean, I I was literally texting with the investigator from Boulder Da's office today. So we're in. We're in pretty close contact. And you know, like they yeah, they're, in fact, it would be likely that I could invite Edna to co-facilitate to just talk. We've done this before, where we'll we'll do the training, but she'll talk for 10 min or 15 min, or it depends on how long we'd have about. Maybe some cases that she's seen, or some trends that she's seen specifically in boulder as well.

[52:29] It's a nice. It's a nice addition. For Christian and Elizabeth. Are we able to provide food and childcare for people that attend the meeting especially? Yeah, take that with you. I don't know the answer like this group in particular. I don't know if we would have budget, for like an entire

[53:02] event, if it was larger than necessarily the commissioners and sort of like the usual attendees childcare. I do not know either. Yeah. So I think you could proceed a couple of different ways you could put this on the November Hrc meeting if you want to do that and continue to talk about it as a group. And you know, Christian and I can in the meantime, kind of look at the budget for 2025 and and make some recommendations there. You could also have 2 of you. Decide to form just a tiny little subcommittee and think about these ideas, and come up with a proposal that you could take to the full commission at an at a next meeting.

[54:01] either way, and you think those would would be 2 good options to allow for just a little bit more planning before you all, either before you all get together or when you all get together. Yeah, that's helpful. Thank you. But generally the answer. And I realize I'm not necessarily on camera. Hello. Bye. Generally. the city and our housing human Services Department wants to always make any meeting that we have accessible. So in terms of interpretation. Snacks childcare. Those don't always have to cost a lot, and that's well within what we just do. To make things accessible. So I think that's not the question. Just it determines scale and how to create a

[55:00] a registration process, so that we do know who's going to need childcare. Whether or not. We need to have it all those sorts of things. So none of that is a is a barrier. Necessarily it just takes planning. And then, Kira, on your end. What kind of date, time, flexibility do you have? Do you all do evening trainings? What's like a good lead time? How? How can we make it easy for you as well. If you're making it so easy on our end. Sure. Yeah. we can do evening trainings we try very hard not to do weekend trainings, so I'll throw that out there. We can do evening trainings. so we can. You know we can flex our time in that respect. We need. I mean, it's a little bit complicated with the holidays, which which you already referenced so like November and December, right like half of the months, are kind of gone. We don't. We don't do many trainings in December. People just don't schedule them then, which means that January gets really busy, really fast. So if we were going to schedule something in January. We would need to get a date on the calendar like as soon as possible. Doesn't have to be tomorrow, but, like soon in the next few weeks, probably.

[56:20] But if we're looking out into February or March, or or later we generally need a month or 2, you know it's the sooner the better that we can get it on our calendars. That's good. And then but if it's an evening, usually we're not booked so like that's that's possible. And then we want to make sure we can get the word out to the community with plenty of time as well. Right? So generally our guidance is about a month to get the word out to the community. Once we get it on our calendars and and create those flyers. Or no. We have to meet on 3rd Thursday, 3rd Tuesdays.

[57:02] As a group. You can only meet together during a public during one of your public meetings. But 2 commissioners, for example, can can have a can have a meeting. You can. You can do that? Just not a full group. I guess I'm wondering, can our January potentially, hypothetically January meeting be on a different day, or does it have to be on the 3rd January? Tuesday in January. No, you've definitely Hrc's definitely moved meeting times around sometimes. That's necessary just for schedule. Your own schedule. I think the only thing just as Cara said, that we would. Caution is if if leading up to a meeting, it's a month just cautioning that that still lands you and us kind of right over, maybe the busiest holiday time of year. For getting the word out for getting the word out and kind of doing that outreach if you wanted to include schools, they're out for a chunk of that time. So I'm certainly not trying to influence that, but just kind of pointing out

[58:11] what might be some challenges if you were to do that. Have an event in January, since we're already kind of screeching for the end of the year. and. Yeah. Holidays make things tricky. It doesn't have to be in January. Sorry. To say, if if January is human trafficking awareness month, and we're spreading awareness about the event in January, and we had it in February. Then that's also still working to to raise awareness. It's just then we would have the training in February. giving us a little more time. That's true that that could work right? We're getting the word out. We're getting this training out to people. And if your meetings are the 3rd Tuesday of the month in the evening. At this time it's pretty easy for me to just like go ahead and block like the 3rd Tuesday in January, February and March, or something, for now just I mean, like I said, it's not like we don't work that much in the evening, so it's not that big of a of an ask to do that, so I could just go ahead and put on our calendars like hold for possible training for those 3 months or something, while you guys figure it all out.

[59:24] Thank you. 1133. Sorry I didn't hear that last bit. Oh, I said, that would be great. We're missing our commissioners, so me! It would be good for all of us to convene, and me, and the next month to kind of finalize what everybody wants to do. Okay, I'm putting. I'm putting the 3rd Tuesday of January, February and march on my calendar right now. I guess my preference is to have it on the agenda and talk about it as a as a group

[60:03] in November. But I'm curious, Carlos and Beaker. Okay. it seemed like we were all interested. Okay. great, great time. I don't think she had to thank you so much, Kara, for your time. Oh, sorry. Yeah. There's like muting and unmuting. Happening. I'm missing some things. Yes, of course. My pleasure. Yeah, just be in touch. I'm I'm here, and you know it's my passion to get the word out about this issue. So you've got me. I'm here for you. Let me know what you need. Thank you. Sure. Thank you. Have a good night, guys. Take care. Thank you very much, Carol.

[61:01] Sure. Okay, let's continue with our meeting, and 6 B is full of them. Make your splitter. Thinking about the one second. I'm trying to get the agenda back up on the screen here it's been. That. Worker. Yeah, please go ahead. Go for it. Okay, So at the last meeting, I think Emily had a question and was just a request for a little bit more context about the letter that commissioners received from Mayor Brackett and Mayor pro tem spear.

[62:00] So the origin of that response letter which is just sharing with Human Relations Commission members. The City Council priorities is that last? No, not last year earlier in the year the Commission decided to write a letter to city Council members just expressing your kind of perspectives. Concerns about about the Hrc kind of operations and wanting to be useful, and responsive, and receive requests or questions from city council members. And so that letter that they sent back was really something that they would have shared with all boards and commissions about the city council priorities. They landed on those were all determined during with consideration before and after a

[63:02] City Council retreat that happened earlier in the year. I'm I'm actually having a mind warp right now, but I believe it was in March. and so that was really just. A more of a standard communication to you and others not necessarily would have responded to your exact letter, but just making sure that boards and commissions know what the city council priorities are for, you know, for the so that's really the short of it. I think if you wanted to have, you know more? kind of exchange. You can certainly right back to council members, or you could ask Staff if there was any information that you wanted to have about what those priorities are. they are generally tracked online, at least very high level. So the information is there. I think that's what you were looking for in the last one. But tell me if that answers the question, or if there are any

[64:06] any other information, or you know that you wanted to have. Yeah, I forgot to re-look at the letter, but I think my my question for kind of the whole of our group was more about like what is actionable for us to support from this group of priorities. So I would. I would like to re-look at it. Just to see if I can see anything, but I apologize that I didn't do my homework and really look at something. but I guess. after I look at this. What I would be interested in doing is if there are priorities that the Commissioners have, or that the City Council has have identified that fall in the area of human rights. I would love for us to be proactive in reaching out to them and asking them how we could be of support to them

[65:09] But without looking again without. I'm not sure what those specific asks are. It could be another November, I mean for the other 2 commissioners to decide, but we can revisit one. And in the meantime, if you have any questions for clarification, you can certainly reach out to Christian or I, if we don't know the answers. Okay. yeah. Thanks for pulling up on that. we'll look for it for it. The November meeting.

[66:07] So when this one, whichever 7 is stuff updates. Before we do that, we have the agenda item that we added. So it's not gonna appear on the agenda that's on your screen. It's the update to the Commissioner Handbook. so I can share, like the little bit that I know, Elizabeth, if you can fill in the blanks there. But when, as part of, like the onboarding process for new Commissioners. We provide the Handbook that each of you would have ideally received. We are coming up. I'm not sure if it is part of like a routine process to update it, or if there have been changes that need to be Incorporated but we are looking to. I think, create a subcommittee to work on updating the Handbook.

[67:03] So it would be 2 commissioners to work with Elizabeth and myself on getting those updates made. My, I'm sure I'm missing plenty. Yeah. Just acknowledging that just due diligence on our part. there are some parts of the handbook that are out of date. so I believe there are still references, for example, to the role that the Hrc. Has played in the past regarding funding for the Human Relations Fund and just things like that. So it's really just kind of looking at that document and cleaning up what? What can be cleaned up and updated? So that can be done in a number of different ways. I encourage you. And I would just observe that sometimes wordsmithing and kind of going through line by line might not be the best use of time at a public meeting when you're all together, and it rarely is. And so one option, as Christian said, is that you could

[68:15] have one or 2 members if you're interested working with us, and also Roberto Ramirez, who you met during your retreat. our city attorney's office, just to make sure that that document is really up to date. So it's A, we're flagging, the need, mild suggestion, or some recommendations of how you could go about that and just wanted to get your input do we have a timeline. Oh, I mean as soon as we can right as soon as possible, and certainly by the next I knew any new commissioners would come on, you know, by the end of the Commissioner year in the spring. Okay.

[69:03] okay. And are you thinking of synchronous meetings, or just like looking over the document and making comments. I think we could honestly be. Let me look at it several different ways. It it could be. Yeah, I mean, I think we just consult with Roberto and see what what the most efficient process is. I'm really interested in that. I think it would be a really good way to learn more about the Commission. Terrific. Carlos Beaker. Yeah, I'm agreeing with. I don't know who else wants to do it. I curiosity. If if Jay H. Would be interested, given his questions about the role of

[70:00] I'm not volunteering here at all. I'm just curious if he would be interested as well and speaker. I don't. I'm curious how you feel too. Yeah, I would love to just take some time to think about it. I just feel a little swamped around this time of year. So just would like to think about it. Okay, I mean, I think, if it's something that you one that we wanted to do. In the meantime you could reach out to jade and Erin or you could ask Christian right to do that. either one would be fine again. Just can't have a full group meeting or email exchanges. Outside of this one goodbye. It's your. It's your call. Yeah. I think if you would be willing to reach out to them to give illness context that would be helpful.

[71:04] We can do that. Thank you. Thank you. And I I'm not sure. I think my term might be up in the spring off the top of my head. I know Jhsa, and his turn is up the end, and I think, Emily, if I'm my memory serves correctly. You were on like a 1 year or something like that. So we'll figure that out. Yeah, okay, yeah. I think when I said there was a 2 year and a 4 or 5 year, and Aaron got the 4 or 5 year, and I got the 2 year. But then on the website, it says, one year. Yes, so Emily is a 2024 to 2025. Aaron is 2024 to 2029,

[72:07] Jh. Is 2020 to 2025, Carlos. 2022 to 2027, and Peaker 2023 to 2028, well, and 2025 means this spring the term ends. Well, I will reapply. Be very sad to just yes. Okay. right? Anybody else. Next start from dates. Stop update. Okay?

[73:00] Alright. Well, there's another fun. I have no idea what is happening technology wise today. But anyway. so just kind of a follow up to the minimum wage discussion that has been going on on October 10.th As you may have heard, city Council did approve an ordinance to increase minimum wage to $15 and 57 cents in 2025, and then an 8% increase on top of that for 2026, and 2027 Elizabeth, anything more to add to that or any. it would be 8% in yeah. So 1557 for 2025, and then in 2026, an 8% increase

[74:01] of that 1557, and then 2027 would be an 8% increase of the increased amount from 2026, but only for 2 years. is what I have read. I don't, I think. Yeah, if you I will admit I was the whole meeting. It's not ever a bad idea. Commissioners have the time and want to. We can provide the video link for the meeting. There were a lot of there were 51 people who made public comment, in person or online. So it was a really rich kind of input, right from a lot of different community members with varying opinions and perspectives. and some really kind of deep discussion among council members. So you're we're happy to provide that video link. If it's easy. If you want to check it out.

[75:03] We can also go ahead. Since last week, and just kind of provide or ask our colleague Taylor if she want her to come again? She'd be happy to kind of present, I'm sure, around what those next steps are. But yeah. it was there, but I didn't see anything about it. Yeah, I love people talking. Yeah. cool. indigenous peoples. Day events happened over the course of the weekend, I believe. They would be wrapped up. I don't think there was anything today, so it was just what I shared out with you all on Friday of last week. I did not have a chance. I was out of town. I did not have a chance to attend any of them. I know the Human Relations Fund did fund a good portion of them.

[76:04] Did anybody attend anything they can report out on any of those cool, either place? Okay? a reminder as well of the Child Friendly Cities Initiative. The next Youth Action Plan workshop is going to be November 6, th from 5 30 Pm. To 7 30 Pm. Elizabeth spoke about this at the last meeting. We shared some info on that. So just a heads up that that is coming up. and as well a update on the all boards and commissions meeting that we discussed at the last meeting as well.

[77:02] The date has been set for Wednesday, December 4, th from 5 30 pm. To 7, 30 Pm. And that would be at our OS. And at the ocean. Open space and mountain Parks building, which is in East boulder off of Central Avenue. So over by what was that on 55? th Yeah, over by like a workforce Boulder county offices in that area. and we'll be sending out an actual invitation flyer. So you haven't missed anything yet? And then 2 additional community events coming up one from our dear friend Ingrid

[78:00] from, as there is 2 events coming up called humanize community conversations on immigration. And so I will send out flyers on this. There's going to be a movie screening of a documentary. And then a conversation to follow. The name of the movie is actually I'm blanking on it right now. There, but it's in the flyer, so I'll get that out to you after today's meeting. one event is going to be over in Longmont. It's this Thursday October 6, 17, th at 6, at the Longmont Public Library. And then next Friday, October 25th at 6 pm. In Boulder at the Nevin Platt Middle School. So look out for more information on that. A chance to engage and connect with

[79:00] an old friend of ours ingrid and also engage around a topic that is very much discussed right now. And then just another plug for the narrow, inclusive housing summit, which is to occur on Monday, October 28.th It's an all day event, so 7 Am. To 5 Pm. The registration form is live, and it's happening over on Cu's campus. Cool. I can send it off. Yes, sir, I can absolutely do that and let me check on one thing, I think we may have lost. Okay. and second, I need to promote Speaker back to while you're doing that Christian. Maybe just one other thing. so the I believe you're all received the housing and human Services Newsletter the email that goes out. But if you don't, and then, shaking your head.

[80:12] we can make sure you do after this meeting. Just show you where you can sign up. But we're also really. Carlos, I believe you know about this but one other event that is coming up next week on October 23, is an open house for the Boulder boulder MoD. Which is the boulder modular housing factory that was going to have. Yeah, the open houses next week. It'll be beginning operations very soon. This is a project that is a collaboration between city Boulder, Valley school district and habitat for humanity to actually manufacture

[81:01] really, really energy, efficient modular homes that will start off to communities like Ponderosa, and then ultimately help from here. So it's something that people in our department community have been planning for a very long time. And so if that's something that you are interested in attending. I'm also happy to share that. You said that was the 23, rd correct and sorry Christian. What is the date of the all Commissioners meeting. I know it's December 4.th But Wednesday, Wednesday, December December 4, th from 5 30 to 7 30. So just trying to check myself. Yep. that is all I got for you.

[82:11] Commissioners. updates, updates. people stay events. I went to. So I went to the. I believe it was like climate, justice. art event at the Boulder Public Library on Saturday morning. They, Adriana, had a speaker from Champlas, Mexico, who spoke about her work. She's an indigenous woman for work with other indigenous, particularly women and children. and give an overview of artisan

[83:03] cooperatives that she works with. And then they had a flute player and an artist, a poet from Mexico as well. So. and they had activity at the end, bookmark making. And then the community dialogue around different questions to kind of facilitate us talking to each other in the room there were about. I would say, about 20 people or so. There it was very well attended. Audrey, and that just creates so much community in our community. And there were a lot of people speaking very highly of her work. And and yeah, so it's always sweet to to be with her. And for kids and they did the active detox acupuncture. So

[84:02] he's great. Then on Sunday I went to the Theory Art Center. They had a series of speakers and dancers. Elizabeth was there. I just went to a segment on indigenous history from a legal perspective in Colorado. It was little over my head, not being a legal scholar, but it was very informative, and, like the dairy was packed so extremely well attended as well. And then last night at the Roots Music Project, they had 2 indigenous musicians play. One woman was a jazz artist, and then another person. Carrie was a very impressive guitarist and vocalist

[85:01] that was that was really sweet as well. So great mix overall of art, community building and understanding and and being direct about the history and current realities. So, Elizabeth, I'd be curious to hear you went to the panel on what cities are doing about indigenous rights. And I'm curious if you learned anything from that. Sure just this whoop, not being Commissioner, quickly add, that The panel that Emily's referring to, which was at the dairy Center on Sunday had a city staff, members from City of Boulder and Longmont and Broomfield. along with indigenous partners. From various tribes that with which the cities are all in

[86:04] formal consultation and partnership, just talking about what that partnership looks like. What the government agencies are doing. It's different for each city. For example, Longmont's has a city of Longmont, has a youth exchange between kids from Longmont and the tribes with their sister city. Longmont actually has a tribal partner as a sister city, and Broomfield's relationships and activities look differently. City of Boulder Speaker was Dan Burke, who's the director of our Open Space Mountain Parks department. and Fred Muscareda as an indigenous partner representative. So it was really kind of interesting and good to hear about the differences and how these local governments are

[87:04] establishing, not just that kind of government to government relationship, but also trust and exploring what decision making might look like. So it was a really good. It was a really good session. I will just share. Speaker put in the chat that she has no updates, but just wanted to. Point that out. It was in there to build off of what Elizabeth and I saw each other at. Event at the dairy, and I mentioned the 4 Chambers site in Boulder County, and being excited and interested at maybe either having someone from open Space Mountain Perks come in and talk about what they're doing at the Fort Chambers site

[88:03] or going out to visit the fort chamber and or going out to visit the fort chamber site. To to deeper understand that part of our history. And I'm curious, Carlos and Speaker, that's of interest to y'all. They're actively planning what they'll do with that. The city's actively planning what they'll do with that site. Yeah, I can. We agree to go through this. If you're interested in that Christian, I again, one of us can definitely communicate that over to the open Space mountain Parks team or just the tribal consultation team. thank you for that reminder, Emily. The announcement at during the panel was just generally made that that process is

[89:00] kind of starting up in 2025. So no very specific dates yet, for when there will be public community engagement, but we can definitely let them know that the Hrc. If you are interested, is just like to be appraised of those steps, and any opportunities for information or engagement is that is that accurate? Okay. Yeah, sounds good. I don't have any update, either. But I have a question for you, Elizabeth. I have questions about this. there is going to be a program that is going to give some money to change within fences or something like that

[90:01] to change wooden fences. Okay? And you'd like to know more about that. Yeah, I would like to know more about that. Okay, I read that in a all the reports in lab, and I have some questions from some community people. Sure, what we can do is I don't want to get on my computer and look for it now, because it's facing you. But we can definitely put you in touch with the staff member who can answer all the questions that you have about that process. either like right after the meeting. Or if other commissioners are also interested, we can send that out. And in the follow up email, that Christian sense to everyone or both.

[91:00] Yeah, I think, Carlos, it brings up for me what it brings up is like, how Boulder City is prioritizing the equitable distribution of disaster preparedness materials. That's what it brings up to me more than replacing the yeah, the specific wooden fences. Yep. I think that the program is called Wrap the real RAB, hmm. yeah, after we're done with the meeting, we can definitely I can. We can look up the information for you. Just give it to you in real time. And then also, just yeah, provide any resources. Or if you have specific questions, we can just relay those to our colleague, and she can respond in writing as well. Thank you for the question.

[92:03] Yeah, super important question. We're already. Yeah. Yeah. So a human. this is the end of the meeting. If you we don't have any. Other question. Or. yeah, I think usually we give a very quick update on what our next steps are as staff. Do you wanna run through that Christian or. I will send out the information that was shared in the staff updates to all commissioners. including the event, flyers and everything.

[93:00] We'll get you the Wildlife. I will include in there. And then, after the meeting, Carlos, we'll get you the Oh, I keep saying Wild Wildfire. Very different thing Wildfire assistance program information. Information. I do not think there's much else that I am coming to the top of my head. Anything. I think. Just yeah, we'll we'll load up that email with any other links like the council meeting for minimum wage and just anything else that we've talked about. We can dig back through and provide that. And then, right after the meeting, if at least the 2 of you want to sign up for the Housing Human services. Newsletter will get you to do that, and maybe Christian. I don't know if this is the easiest in your email, your follow up email to include the context about the amending or reviewing the Hrc. Handbook.

[94:08] Got it? Yes. So I would send that. Direct. Out to Jh. And Aaron. Great cool. Well. we need a motion to finish our meeting. Do we need to real quick. Do we need to talk about the sounds like we have? We will have a November meeting sort of standard 3rd Tuesday, which would be not really gonna interfere with anybody. Is that going to interfere with anybody's travel or anything like that? It's November 19, th which would be the week before Thanksgiving. Yeah, I will be in work travel on the East coast. So this is a pretty

[95:03] bad time, for I might not be able to make that meeting. So that would be 10 pm. Yeah. Eastern time. Okay. I am going to be out of town at a work meeting that day, which doesn't mean that the meeting can't happen. We'll just Yeah. It wouldn't be a bad idea just to reach out again to everybody I know last month. You all really wanted to have a meeting which is absolutely fine, but it wouldn't hurt just because plans do change around this time of year. We can just make sure. Or Carlos, if you wanna be sure talk about that with. you know Jh. And Christian for the for the next agenda. just make sure people are available. And if not, then you know, yeah, I would. I'm definitely available the 12th

[96:00] which I can definitely give to you in writing, Carlos, if that'd be helpful. But if if we were but especially with the traffic, like trying to plan the trafficking event, I would rather meet in November to solidify that event and follow up with Kara before the holidays and in the past. The Commission has also just met a day before a day after. It doesn't just have to be like a full before, if that doesn't work, and Carlos will remember. And Speaker. would. The meetings used to be on Mondays, and we ended up having to move them a lot, just because those tended to be holidays and and whatnot so, and sometimes we would just move it to a Tuesday. So I just offer that. And I think you can. you know, reach out or we can. But it. It doesn't necessarily have to be a full week ahead of time, just to be on a Tuesday

[97:05] for me. It's fine. Would it make sense, then, for me to Ask. For commission. Your responses on like with. Which. Dates would make sense. Since we do want to have a November meeting that sound good, we can do something like that. I'm sure. Cool. sorry to interrupt. Yeah, thank you. No, no. That's fine. Thank you. I, motion to adjourn today's meeting. I sick of him. Check, in. I, 3.rd Thank you so much for this meeting, and we're going to see when it's going to be the next one. Did Feker? Did you all vote Feaker. Oh, yes.

[98:03] I did. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you. Heather. Thank you, Victor, for everything. Bye, guys. It was good to hear. Everyone. Thank you. Screen.