August 23, 2023 — Human Relations Commission Retreat

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Manually captioned by City of Boulder staff. All segments attributed to uploader — not individual speaker labels. [MM:SS] timestamps correspond to the YouTube recording.

[1:46] thank you so in front of you you have a couple of sticky notes um and you also have these colorful chichi

[2:07] so as you can see these are just keep going this came from a UNESCO actually and through the ammunition that they have on uh promoting children's rights so when we look at all of these rights I would like you to think not only of children but any of the protected classes that are covered in the human rights ordinance um so we can think about minority groups we can think about members of the lgtvq plus Community we can think of um um different racial and Landing groups we can think of hold up just a moment is it working noticing

[3:02] um no okay good um so I would like you to take a closer look at each one of these three of those that you feel more are more important to you so um you can start selecting maybe five first and then going downward three but try to choose your final draw three of these rights that you think are terms or in general um right that keep going rights that you believe are extremely important

[4:04] who's working for a minute foreign some of them are a little blurry 26 is social and economic help 33 Loop it says protection from harmful drugs uh 20 forces Health water public environment 30 says minority culture language and religion and if you have a hard time reading any other number please let me know

[5:06] so you're ready to have yourself great parents you know those researchers you have the top three rights [Music] so you can choose three and um three of the rights it should be bring up the rights that you think are most important

[6:10] but would like to share what those values are or rights those of trades right yeah yeah just there's no right wrong answer it's just a matter of what are the rights that speak more to you uh I would say because the second one you know discrimination and number 23 Hawaii disabilities okay children with disabilities and um

[7:01] which one doesn't what does it says 42 saves everyone must sleep right um protection from pilots and into no discrimination with 19 and 24 I just felt like it was essential stuff but essential things to go on with life you know being protected from violence and having more enjoyable for everybody

[8:02] [Music] children is not responsible for what's going on which number was that 38 38 38 pm second in my choice is important for survival what is required for children and yeah because the possibility number three it's this access to information because people need to know their rights and it will be good to educate people even in school we will just give up about optimistic violence children lives thank you Carlos do you want to share what are the three

[9:00] rights turn it up a little bit he says she can hear okay this okay okay so I think the three main rights would be education access education interpreter lost sound he's thinking and then prevention of trafficking gracias thank you

[10:00] yeah were you circling your own also notes and yeah do you want to share I I think number two no discrimination yes so important because we know how much that impacts the ability to do anything else and engage in society um the freedom of thought and religion is really important um especially in the United States so many people moved here for that and it needs to be protected um and then keeping families together number nine was the other one that I circled that again we know it makes such a difference to kids trajectories if they can stay with their family unit thank you um thank you for participating in the activity I think that what's really important about us connecting to these core values and protections in alignment with the work

[11:01] that you do as a commission is easily tied up into your role your duties and ensuring that um there are activities within your work plan that are in alignment with fostering those values of protection on discrimination protection and um for people you know with disabilities what are the opportunities out there what is happening with like tapping into those communities as well to ensure that these rights are protected and then your work is elevated in the spirit of these core values and rights um so in a nutshell does the activity do you get to keep this and if you want to um explore it with your kids it's a great opportunity or with people around you or just think about it like maybe

[12:01] taking one of these values a day and you can interact with the Sheep differently as you choose um and really thinking about Waters what is the city exactly doing on families or children or any of the groups and pathetic classes that we strive to bring into our activities and also making sure that the values of diversity and inclusion are fostered and elevated through your work um we do have an agenda that included these activity we're gonna look at the agenda real quick here um but with that I'll further Ado we can go ahead and start with Nina then we're going to go and move into having a conversation about elections and we're going to move into working um on the work plan specifically

[13:02] we will wrap up and um yeah that's that's pretty much the plan for the day so please yeah take it over should I stand there with the camera uh whatever you want yes so good to be with you all today um I just want to say I've watched the work of the HRC since it was developed and it's so incredibly critical and such unique things so many cities don't have hrcs and to see what you all have done and continue to do is just really inspiring so thank you for serving in this role today we're going to talk about through a few things the first thing is really why are you here why are you individually here why did you want to be part of this and then what is the role of the HRC more broadly how can we ensure that you're really

[14:02] fulfilling that to the utmost and using your skills and connections to do that um and then we're going to kind of wrap up just talking about how you want to show up and work with each other um it's always great during a retreat to have those conversations and make sure that you all are really able to connect well and do this work together so uh you have agendas in front of you that just have some kind of priming questions but more than anything I just want to have a conversation and talk with you about how how things are going I'm sure if you've ever looked at other boards and commissions in the city of Boulder you realize the HRC is special I mean even just the makeup we have predominantly immigrants on this uh HRC we have more people of color we have live interpretation that's a really unique thing that you have going on here so I'd love to just hear why did you

[15:00] want to apply why did you see the HRC in the paper or online and think I want to be part of that you know you're going to go first yeah yeah I dig up my business I do care about human rights and I do want to do something particularly to to fight for human rights the children rights and all colors because you equal one equal it's not supposed to be like any discrimination yeah I'm very my goal is to to make something difficult bring something meaningful I mean because [Music] let's switch places so okay Anna's a little bit sorry for interpretation uh if we can protect

[16:02] our voices and this is for everything right because the microphone they have to be disappearance and then being able to trans interpret so it will be great we can all speak up a little we have the whole building first pretend you're shouting at your children he's so beautiful okay do I have to repeat interpreters are we good okay I would say very similar to one of believe in human rights think that everybody should feel welcome with in Boulder and I thought I could potentially just share ideas of how to make people feel that way once I realized I was going to stay in this community it's easy to notice not a lot of people look like me here and a lot of people I know choose not to stay here for that reason so I thought nothing's going to change if all of us just keep

[17:01] leaving so just listening to people around me who didn't want to stay in older not because of the city but just because of the makeup of people not feeling comfortable or welcoming here and just trying to see what I can do to kind of make that just shift that even in the smallest way so stay and fight yeah I love that yeah thank you well Carlos we're not curious to eat um I'm on the commission because I'd like to help the community I'm really interested in supporting the community in particular the Latino community you know I'd like to bring them in

[18:01] to this Commission [Music] oh you know they don't like to ask about how they might have access to things that the city provides and so that's that's why thank you Carlos jet um I think I joined for three images I think after I left the force I started meeting people who realized what I have understood about America it was not the same where there were a lot of power to children and um you know I don't want to be specific because it's a lot of like abuse that

[19:02] word that was one thing yeah and uh the other part of it was I feel like there were a lot of her inside of the community that has not been forced that that were if something happened people just just keep it in they they said you know what that's normal that happened to this person you know that happens in that person and I thought like I would have a voice to just um you know be a guide for some people or be a an example of black attack if something happened to you you don't have to be quiet or you don't have to be ashamed of it but you don't have to be like swallowed so and I remember when I went about the position at the University you know that's pretty much how they describe it yeah but uh I don't know I felt like it's not a single thing why it's supposed to be you

[20:01] know what it what was describing in the what was describing as an interesting paper but the reality is different we saw that's why I couldn't talk yeah thank you well that was going to be my next question so you all had these expectations coming in you wanted to stay and fight you want to help make changes you want to bring in the Latino community what has been the reality what's been your experience actually sitting on the HRC is that happening okay my experience I feel like it's uh it's a it's a it's more like a process instead of a

[21:00] it's more like a process instead of a of a response to the situations it's like um I talked to so there was a thing that happened okay my name uh and uh police in Boulder like were it was like a place where kids learn um dancing and I found out but it kind of pisses me off and I started talking to Clay about it and the thing was you know like the process wants to the world so I you know going through a different direction yes I did get it resolved but I think the process to me it's I'm not going to say it's not working but for me it's not what the book like if you read really read the book okay

[22:01] you're trying to see the process is not it's not um it has a lot of like uh Corners thing like zigzagging I would say and uh I think it has not been you know a straight line yeah and see like I told you I've been here for uh almost two years old yeah three years yeah and uh I still feel misinformed about the HRC even though I have to tell you I'm good I have a good Community here with lawyers and friends that understand part of the city but I don't think that hrc's work with what is describing in the boat again is what it is so that's my understanding of it and I think it could be better and I think to could be more helpful to the community not just a group of people that's

[23:00] meeting once a month if we use it like as a prescribe thank you hold on to that piece where it could be more effective because I want to come back to that and talk about it some more what about the rest of you how is this matched to your expectations I definitely understand it's a process like making change in anything I think takes a lot of time and energy and effort and we just don't meet that often and I think it's just because of the way it's set up and also just all of our Lives keeping us so busy that we have this passion or want to dedicate time to doing these things but the circumstances just doesn't make it easy for you to be involved for a year and then be like Everything's changed I think like we did it you know it seems

[24:01] like it's a long process and I don't know I I guess when I reflect on the hours that we do spend um even though it's not a lot maybe we could be more efficient in what ways you may ask I'm not too sure but like I'm I'm calm I can say there are probably more efficient ways to do it like something I've really appreciated or appreciate still is the funding process like we were able to fund um events for different groups of people who um without that money or funding that events those events might not have taken place and even though it's just once a year that event happens I think it feels good to go to something um in a community where you can learn about a different Community or you go to a community and you can relate to people there and maybe ways you didn't relate to people before in this community so I think that's a huge thing um but I guess there's I think we could

[25:02] do more yeah yeah okay so I'm hearing we can do more um things are taking longer and part of that is just availability but also process so you'd like to get to Solutions faster yeah Carlos Anna how has your experience on HRC matched reality at least your story I've been involved with this I'm a Community Connector and so this is [Music] so I have a little bit more connection and work with the city indeed

[26:04] so we're working with Latinos and also people from the United States communities and so we're all involved in this process es the pandemic we started handing out masks foreign

[27:04] so I've been involved in all these processes and I'm happy to have participated in all of this is he wastes is so I know a lot of the communities in Boulder and the communities know me they know how to come to me and I know how to reach them both for me it's maybe a possibility to raise my voice to start speaking just to talk about it and to be heard it's very important thank you when you think about the HRC

[28:01] what do you think the greatest use of this group is what is the best purpose you all can have together but like life's better big life better people can you say that again just love yeah maybe to make life in Boulder you can build their Community better in some way it's just possible to do like of course not so huge changes but yeah this any specific examples for example children rights like children can raise their voice in a court if something happens

[29:00] it's from my personal experience yeah great thank you I was just trying to read oh go ahead because they I think one of the main purposes connecting communities to the city council cases I think that's one of the main reasons we have for being here and such a great example of your personal connections being used as that connector yeah thank you Dave so I would say um like the the reason is that why you say

[30:02] the reason um what's the greatest use of the HRC the best purpose okay the British broker said that's what I was going to try to read to you it's a I think for me it's uh if you read the the audience that establishes the HRC um on their at the 2-3-6 uh paragraph C this is a function of the commission uh the Foster mutual respect and understanding and to create atmosphere you create an atmosphere condensive to the promotion of amicable relationships so what it is is like it's like a suggestion on the CD conversation with respect of social problem to be sensitive to the social needs of Citizen and to advise and assist the city government and with leading human and social services to the needs of the city

[31:01] residents so I feel like this was the main reason when I read it that's like that should that's kind of like uh well my phone's playing too I don't know why but because I read a lot I read it probably I read that thing probably ten times and I do memorize some of it but I feel like it's yeah that's part of like the main purpose it should be it's it's quite like it's actually make life better in the community and create like I don't know why it's splitter too but I gave you the the paragraph on it it's uh yeah yeah so it's making life better and doing that through that Social Service connection that sounds like Social Service connection and yeah and um yeah Social Service yeah to the needs of

[32:00] the city in Residence you have anything you want to answer wow this is so hard for me I don't know why but um I guess I would kind of kind of related more like making a change um I I don't know what that would literally look like but um going kind of off of what JH said maybe like um making life in Boulder more um just like great for everyone because I think there's a lot of people in Boulder who would live amazing lives you know and I think that not everybody gets to have that opportunity and I don't think we can change that significantly um but like wherever people are making sure that they can have a good life as well yeah well that's been a perfect transition once again you all are teaming me up

[33:00] uh to talk about what does this really look like in your role as HRC and I want to just give a little context um which you all probably know but more than anything a reminder um sitting on a city border commission has power just in being appointed to this role if you show up with your HRC name tag to an event um people take notice right you all are giving of your time you're helping to serve in this leadership role in the city and the community notes that so it's also looking at how can we leverage that power to do the things you just talked about how do we ensure you are at the community events so that people are seeing you and are recognizing that they have this resource in the HRC that they know to call when there's an issue and how do we ensure that each of you take the power not just from when you're

[34:00] together but when you're out on your own as well so thinking about that let's let's talk about it collectively how can you leverage your position of power as the HRC to do all of the good things that you were talking about and the changes that need to happen and I'm going to write them up there so that we can get a list going of what that looks like let's be as specific as possible and I'll put the first one up there going to community events right that's a great way that you can do that what other ideas posting events ooh posting what kind of events would you want I I don't know anything that might align with our mission like if we said oh we feel like the community could use this

[35:01] um like we've had internally agitate people and we have an idea about something like let's share yeah the educational events like it's cool yeah oh it's cool yep what else can you do to I one thing I believe I think it's like uh people like stuff because that's one of the things you speak up a little bit I can't hear you um I'd say like it's all people like

[36:09] um it's like that one thing I feel in most cases were something common people don't know how to where to go where the resources how to how do you walk no how to do that by asking others connection s cxns just connections coming out of room

[37:02] okay so helping keep the community informed where they go how do they get resources how do they know that they're help available yeah what else what can you do thank you very much ask oh thank you say more oh yeah five things like my name is where are the resources helping the community get to those resources foreign

[38:05] and then I send it on to the community Carlos can you share that with the HRC when you get it foreign I haven't done it before but I can do it now sometimes I've shared them from sometimes I shared information with Ingrid but not everything but I can do that be great other ideas verifying question the term resources it's a very large

[39:03] term yeah from your perspectives as HRC members what do you what kinds of resources is it you know we're from housing and Human Services right so I'm experiencing discrimination I don't know what to do I need food I don't know what to do I need rent like we we do so much in our department and you all do so much in community I wonder if you can say more about the resources like what that what you see what do people really need and want because that could help Ingrid and I understand and other people in our department um make sure you have information that people want and sometimes I think we don't we have other there are other channels as well profit agencies Community connectors who have a

[40:00] different role than the HRC so I would just love to hear a little bit more about what resources means to you and what do you see is the greatest need that you would want to see the HRC step in for because everything is might might not actually be appropriate for your role but we'd need to know that right yeah right for example um when BHP increase rent and it was not equal for everyone in community I personally a lot know actually this year I did not know whom to come and whom to speak and see if it's right or not because I did experience this personally and it showed me and I tried to push different buttons and super it didn't work and I just decided to give up enough because it happened and to know who can at least to answer the questions what

[41:00] I'm gonna ask it will be great yeah and I still don't know this resources yeah that's a good question because you're right and resources means so much and I I was thinking that before you asked like wait something just came up I was thinking about and I was like does this even aligned with our goal so I had to pull apart like a description of our goal and I was still not certain because I just don't know if our interests in other areas should be prioritized like something that came to mind is uh my boss had hosted an event like small event at the Learning Center where um she just had three professionals share their career paths just to give

[42:00] the kids uh an idea of careers because a lot of the kids are a little older um entering high school and don't know what career paths to go into because they don't have the resources or their families don't encourage them because their parents might not have the resources so when I think of that that like that came to mind like I wish there and being there and seeing how a lot of the blue kids didn't know what they wanted to do in a few years and it's fine not to know you know but not having any inspiration or want or something like wanting to explore something and then seeing how like informative it was for them to be here so I'm going to talk about the process of being a doctor and then seeing some of them say oh I kind of want to do that you know just like giving them the resources that maybe um they won't they won't don't have at home to help them structure the next few years of their lives

[43:01] because they're going to come into this world and it's just going to be hard to get by you know without knowing what careers they're going to get into and providing for themselves wow it's important yeah because it's it makes like whole life yeah it's their whole life I'd like to find out how do you see the connection of that example you're given with the HRC yeah yeah I was like I don't even know if this connects like because I feel like um I was I'm I'm gonna read it why I think I was saying like promote mutual respect was one of the goals and I thought well I guess this has nothing to do with that and what ways are people not feeling that they're feeling respected maybe we should focus on life the more of that you know so I don't know just came to mind and maybe I just

[44:01] need to realize like personally take the time to say okay this belongs to this and then everything else I might have passion for is I can do a sign of the agency you know well and I think you might be on the right path with various events this example might not fit the HRC but there are others that do promote mutual respect very specifically yeah so using that as a resource and ensuring that the community knows about the events that they're welcome into those spaces how about that those spaces are actually created welcomingly to the community that could be a really great role for the HRC to ensure that it's uh a space that really enshrines respect okay out the prayers for you yeah let's say specific events around the HRC principles

[45:08] so helping people get questions answered specific events what other resources are you interested in or hearing that people are looking for when we say that we want to help provide resources or connect to resources or what I see recently in last 10 years people meet Lee goho a lot like single mom is divorce papers they grow more practical rights because to be honest in court system all depends from employers who are able to acquire better lawyers it's gonna get more rights

[46:00] say that one more time who is able or have money to get a better lawyer this person gonna get more rights and decision regarding children and Etc one decision making and it's all depends thanks for coming back we're talking about what do we need when we say resources so far we've talked about addressing disparities specific events that can help uh folks rally around the HRC principles and then accessing specific services like legal support what else do we mean by resources I'm going to speak for myself anybody else but um like I said I still feel like I don't

[47:01] know why Google of the address remember there's no when you come in there's no training there's no I probably the last group that got the book I don't know if you guys get the address book did you guys get it you should have the updated one too no the thing is it's like when you come in it's like you compliant and you have to you know find a way and then I feel still feel like it's just a once a month maybe I don't know I feel like it's me as members if we get more educated about you know how old our goal auction it will make more sense than just uh that's kind of the biggest resources and take then you know that's why I usually refer myself to people that you know and

[48:01] explain but I don't know yeah so specifically for your role a resource is understanding what that role is okay you know most of the time when I need something I have to go angry because I don't know yeah you know it's the worst it's more work for ingredient I mean I want to do that but but that's accurate too sometimes it is knowing the right people on City staff who can answer those questions as well I mean I think that's also a helpful resource is you know knowing The Who on the other side like Carlos was talking about being that Community Connector because he knows who can answer the questions that people are coming forward with

[49:00] leaving okay so as we're diving deeper into all the things we can do to better leverage your power that also involves a lot of community engagement we've already started brainstorming um some of these things just because that's how you all live that's your values right it's Community engagement is one of the best uses of the HRC what else should the HRC be doing to engage in the community or with the community what if I ask it this way do you think the community knows what the HRC does a little a little bit no not a lot okay I I you know I live here for Motivated the only reason I knew about the HRC is because to me and I was talking to a lawyer because I didn't want to know the report and then he said well you can try the visuals but you know

[50:01] yeah but it was like I got involved in a lot of different stuff here that I've never heard of things yeah then some other nods feels like that's probably pretty common okay well how should Community know about the HRC what could we do differently collectively or individually what could you as a commissioner do to help the community know about the HRC I know this is the hard one right view on TV [Laughter] well no Advanced TV is one thing man um and you know

[51:01] and the other part of it I know everybody's life is easy is try to do like that's my idea at all nobody has to agree so I should be true it's like you know trying to do meetings outside let me give you an example let's say this multiview meeting at a church next month you do a meeting at a at uh what do you call it um what do you call a Jewish people a synagogue and next meeting you probably do it uh mosque that will inform people more they will understand they will know that is there you know I'm not saying we shouldn't be anyone else but you know it's like if we do reading online you can see I can count how many people that will attend you know if it's not it from when he said like when we do we go when you give money uh

[52:03] a grant you know is that how you call it if it was if it's not a time to get great you can count I can count on two favorites so many people will show up because these people are always there and these are not the only people are down on that street more about it you know but they're the one that kind of they all become themselves yeah so moving your meetings to physical locations where people are who might want to know about the HRC allows you to engage with them pretty well it's a pretty great idea who wants to follow that and I'm not saying or TV okay you know and and I have to tell you my experience here most uh places like like I'll give you an example of like if we do a meeting like a second buttons you will you will meet the whole black

[53:00] community there because that's it was probably the place where you will find most black people in one day and if you go to like uh I don't know like there's a Hispanic Church on in gambrill I know like we don't have to go outside but if you explain to them we went to a meeting and you will find all the Hispanics you know you can do it like in many other places it depends I don't know or maybe there's another way if you do it you can reach out to those people to say you want people to watch it but I feel like online people always if it's not something they they're really there isn't it it's going to take a minute I like that idea I I wonder if people would be interested in coming to a two to three hour meeting where we're discussing so many different topics that might not relate to them you know maybe like five minutes up at night so maybe like going out to the public and going to churches or wherever different communities that we're trying

[54:00] to um help support like in asking them what they have to do you know just because we're for people from different communities isn't that it doesn't mean we're facing all of The Talented that are going on that people are experiencing here yeah let's go deeper on that so if you were to go out into these communities and ask them what they need what would that look like how would you do that you know I think I don't think it should be that hard inside that would be really good well like I when we

[55:00] return the Bible yet like we are doing a pickup song again okay you just send a text to everybody and your ass went fast what time is best they say yeah there's time is best for us you know because it's less sound less it's not gonna rain it's not gonna be cold so I think if you're going to go ask them it's uh make it clear because you're asking you're not comforting ask them you know what do you think that could be what do you need to talk about like it's hurting you just what do you think can change it so I think it's a it should be a straight shot like no even an agenda shots okay Carlos did you have something yeah see um

[56:07] yes we're gonna see that there is an adult sentimento buenos yesterday I'm just asking for a time because we gotta check with the interpreters um so my suggestion is that before going out in and about in the community is the first now and understand what kind of resources we have in order to address some of those questions that come up and those that we cannot answer then being able to take back um it's just a weird thing up there yes

[57:00] God sorry I wasn't um foreign so it's it's basically just really knowing what kind of resources where resources are if someone in those conversations brings up that they need um that they're full insecure or that they need food access to food then I can redirect them to a food pantry like effort s hey

[58:00] don't understand and that ties with having that communication with Ingrid illness to be able to better identify what those resources and services are ladies I'd love to hear how this is landing with you what do you think about these Concepts yeah it's great I think it's a good place to start I think England makes a good point like we only can have a better understanding of our rules and all of the resources so when we can get asked Those About to be sleeping provided to people and figure I just want to clarify that I was interpreting for Carlos okay big girls so if we start off learning more about what's available and where to get support we understand our role better than how do we go on into Community is

[59:02] it one-on-one I have idea maybe just distribute Flyers like in library or some Community Resources like all simple communities when people can come and just read because a lot of children never see some information about like you have to know if you have the rights oh my God and if you attract the attention from people I think like reaching out to like Community leaders where people would um you know where a lot of people gather whether it's a soccer group chat like someone saying let's play soccer there's

[60:01] 30 people coming and then they say do you guys mind staying back 10 minutes we're gonna have the HRC like there just to have a quick discussion you know but I I think that probably would be like the a good way of going about it too on top of adding Flyers so what I'm hearing is formal and informal events connecting being present and talking yeah let's talk some more about the formal events the big events the community cultural events how can you show up as HRC Commissioners to those yeah just go yeah that's the first step do you all coordinate that do you decide who's going to each Community event

[61:03] thank you but it's usually when they had that great thing you know they say who really I feel like it's been really hard um yeah the previous group did that I think where um where um you know I remember our Instagram interview that they got which I don't I forget the name of that building you know and it's like an art building and um there's another guy I'm not good with names I'm sorry and yeah I do show up to send meetings here but I feel like

[62:00] sometimes I do the reason myself is not very interesting because there are certain things I feel like like I said I'm still you know it's been after three years I still don't know I don't know I can talk about it but I don't want to you know because people ask a lot of questions I think can I just interject on a couple of things well one is that I think one of the next parts of the agenda will be to talk about the what so I love that this is kind of the how and so I we don't need to go too far down the track of exactly you know kind of what events but but that's information we have so even though the HRC is not itself as a group making funding decisions as Speaker knows we are continuing to give grants out in the community the next major events are

[63:01] going to be indigenous people's day I think that's next on the list right that's the next one so it'd be very easy right for us to say here's the events at a meeting if you all wanted to say I could go to that one or I want to go to that one or there's something else happening that I want to represent so just wanted to give an example where that would be easy for Ingrid and by you know to support the HRC in making those connections and for some of these other things we can talk about some of the what right the issues but I just wanted to throw that in in terms of as a process Point yeah I'm smiling JH it's a process but we can make that it'd be easy to have that as a gen item for HRC meetings so let's use this as an example you have indigenous people say coming up in October we know the community puts on some really phenomenal events and you say yes I'll go and representative what are you doing there

[64:04] telling you are you going to be involved you go that's part of it like when you're going let's say they have an agenda you're an incredible you all have uh HRC name tags I was just gonna pay the back of the day what I what I know about um in-person meetings because I came here after door Implement make signs um we did order a plate that goes historically boards and commissions used to be used to meet up a city council chambers so that's the closest thing to a name Doug it's a little metal plate with your name in it that's that's all we have for now

[65:01] but we can it's easy to get them not a problem I think it might be something for the HRC to consider so then when you walk into those spaces and you're representing the HRC it's on your name tag and so people know oh I need help I need resources I'm gonna go talk to Anna or I've been really wondering about what's happening with this issue at city council there's an HRC member I'm gonna go talk to JH so it's just that visual reminder to people again that role that you play in the community so when you walk into those spaces you can again kind of Leverage your power for the community you're serving Carlos if you have something um ethosis eight years musician Brothers

[66:02] [Music] sorry this is this is Tanya The Interpreter I took consecutive I can interpret sorry um thank you so for example Elizabeth you know Elizabeth was mentioning indigenous people's day and so people are going to ask us well where is it who's going and I can go I I mean I really like to go to these events I I find it interesting Adelante so it sounds like there's gonna be a time later to talk more about how do we

[67:02] make this happen how do we make sure you all know about events and can attend um and then can also share with the community when they are phenomenal time check do I still have till 6 15 is that okay yes so as you're looking at your work plan I also want you to just keep referring back to these ideas about how to engage with the community because earlier on when you all shared why you wanted to join the HRC it really was about changing the community so much of that happens in those relationships you develop in hearing directly from community members and not often in these kinds of meetings right you you all uh Express frustration with the bureaucracy actually doing a lot of this will will make you feel much more connected to the community and help them navigate the bureaucracy better so it's a way that

[68:01] you personally can really start to shift some of those dining groups in our last 15 minutes together I want to talk about how we work together as HRC members what do you expect from each other how do you want to show up for each other how do you make sure that you all work together well when you do come into these spaces together so just shout out what what do you expect or want to see from your fellow HRC commissioners sharing in our experiences and the community like you know

[69:01] say more you're going somewhere all right well I think I ought to people that's one of them like probably you know which is one of the Patriots and the goal should be it's proposing you know solution you know like if something happened to you and like a video on any of us like we have a we express like a solution and together you know because there's not only one solution orientation exactly yeah solution oriented in brainstorming if I heard you saying you want to hear from a number of people about how those those issues can be addressed right what else

[70:00] this could also be thinking about as you're adding new members what's going well that you want to make sure is mainly what allows you all to be effective right now thank you okay please go ahead communication say more about what you want to see in communication is must have been Mr Communications for example

[71:05] okay so I think it's more important for us to have communication between us like JD could call me up and say hey Carlos what's going on we don't have a lot of communication between us that's a great Point yeah again you all represent such important communities and perspectives within Boulder that you should be able to communicate with each other outside of meetings of course following Sunshine loss but really developing those relationships and relying on one another I think what college says make four cents I don't think well I know English for example anybody else's friend over here

[72:01] it's true it's like I don't know like that's like what college bring is it's a it's not it's a true reality a teacher like uh you know the you know I used to have like well probably I still have Parts phone number right uh yeah I think right now I don't think yeah I mean yeah but it's like you know I agree with Carlos from that part the entire pop so I had to text her see critical service foreign

[73:15] I would just make it if I may just the observation and Ingrid mentioned this earlier that for this commission and lots of our boards and commissions and committees the last three years have been really challenging whereas before covid meetings were only ever taking place in person and many of them were at city council chambers other City buildings people were gathering I don't think any of us have truly effectively kind of made that made these Transitions and as we know um technology is still

[74:00] a barrier when it comes to interpretation and so we appreciate your patience and I think we can all give each other a little bit of Grace in trying to figure out how do we get back to this communication patterns that really feel good natural effective supportive and I don't think we're there yet and participating in zoo meetings is is hard for everybody you were traveling last time you've got you know kids it's hard to be on camera the whole time again interpretation challenge so I just wanted to say that I think we're all have work to do to continue as a group to figure out what what does work best and we as staff are 100 committed to helping that along and it's very helpful to us for you to say like this is not working for me or this really worked well

[75:00] um and and then we will absolutely you know do our best so whatever it is the more that you can tell us like this is what I need to be able as as Nia said like show up and really be effective um that's what we're here to to make happen so we appreciate that we can't we're not going to get in the middle of how you communicate with each other within Sunshine but for meetings and you know is email communication effective is it not you know we we can you know try to try to help make these make these Bridges I think I agree with you but I think more on a personal level too because because one thing I do believe in is is that is that we each probably have a group in the community we belong to you know but I lived and I know what's

[76:01] I'm okay you know I can help some of them so I think in a personal level it would be good at least to get to know each other better as well and uh one thing I want to add what you say is but uh as right now I'm the oldest member of their guitar seed and I remember when I joined in there were people who had two terms in three terms whatever so now we don't have that they had a framework you know I'm not saying by not having someone with experience is is is a bad time but how do you how do we build that again where you know I used to communicate with Lindsay a lot because she she knew if I want to

[77:01] say something now like I said Carlos it's like it's where I say the communication you know is a little it's not about the email you guys are it's about it's an example I had a friend that was transgender that came here that that really discriminated and then what I did was I reach out to Lindsay I said you know I'm gonna give that you know can I get that question it might make a connection and Lindsey health and I think it could be the same way if I knew Carlos phone number or you know things like that or it it would create that instead of calling ingredient you know for everything so I don't know that makes sense I think it will be yeah but you know I think communication is one and not having the experience like I said I didn't learn I didn't learn a lot from these people that were there you know or like art like uh Lindsay uh

[78:05] like that many times uh other members other members you know because they were there for two terms where you can learn they say oh here's what works yeah so what I'm hearing first off learning more about each other then you can be more supportive but also building in global politics session planning you all know what that means in the context special planning a little bit so part of it is putting those structures in place but it can also look like formal mentorship so having folks who are on their second or third term helping folks in their first term understand how the HRC works and kind of doing that buddy system but it means that you're always helping the next people come in get up to speed be ready and then you're also thinking about who who are our next leaders

[79:01] who's going to uh take over chair of this this HRC how do we make sure we're recruiting more people onto the HRC with those kinds of experiences so you're always thinking about the future while also dealing with the current uh structure anything else people want to add about communication any preferences or things you'd like to share with the group how about um virtual meetings um are there any Norms you would like um again to either maintain things that have been going well and how virtual meetings happen or things you'd like to change

[80:01] I think the meetings well I don't think there is I think the the how will I put a team the the um the core the meaning of the meetings the meeting meaning of EA of the meetings meetings yeah yeah it's it's hard because like like I like I say it's you know it's a the group I think Lindsay was part of they weren't kind of a raccoon um what do you call it Universal tender neutral gender neutral bathrooms um you know it works until us but like I said in three years I've been here we never work on anything so it's not because the community doesn't help but how do we do that like you know and again I'm uh

[81:00] I'm uh the oldest member you know from the pandemic but still I don't know what I appreciate with that do I have ideas yes I'm funny and and how do you even start yeah and the other part of it is like I said one of the the thing in the Church of the HRC the Snoop proposed the thing stuff to the city council I've since I've been there we never really had on that doing this you know yeah so working on specific projects where you feel like you can really see the difference exactly and then figuring out how to engage with city council yeah so virtual meetings are working it

[82:01] sounds like um when people join are they joining on camera does that make a difference I don't know is it normal for people to enjoy the camera or you have to make it it is the expectation is that everybody turns their camera on yeah and then um are you all able to jump in and give perspectives on things cool yeah so let's pretend you're recruiting new members for the HRC if you were to tell them that this is some of the expectations you have of them joining how would that feel good supportive missing something

[83:08] dinner putting us all into slight Comas right now quick question would folks would you all and obviously Christine we are missing so we will bring her up to speed and get all of her input would you prefer to have virtual meetings moving forward or do you want to have in-person meetings instead is that help you engage better is it easier for you more challenging let's do a mix of both a straw poll I'm going to give you three options in person virtual or both so kind of going back and forth how many prefer virtual meetings how many prefer in person

[84:04] in person two for in person how many want a mix of both consensus consensus either way though it sounds like more in person yeah great thank you okay I have to wrap up I have to go facilitate a meeting in Longmont now but I just really want to hit on this this communication between meetings you all have such incredible backgrounds and experiences that first off I want to get to know every one of you but to be able to leverage that in the HRC will require connecting outside of meetings so if you do nothing else make sure you have each other's numbers today before you leave and maybe try to set something up

[85:00] between now and your next meeting just so you get to know each other again I thank you so much for your work the HRC is so incredibly important um I live up in Longmont but we're actually trying to create an HRC up there and we're basing it a lot on the work being done here so I just I thank you so much and thanks so much for having me and Chris thank you thank you thank you grab another Empanada on your way out yeah let's take a little break stretch and get some more water get something sweet right there the sweet empanadas you think I like it I tried one with powdered sugar you love this place it's so good Carlos do you know the bathroom

[86:02] okay yes good she should know you yeah okay she yeah maybe she remembers okay good yeah you're you're a good Community Connector yeah Thank You Ingrid thank you Nia we'll be in touch yeah [Music] it's hard it's like I've been talking to a friend to see how I could propose some things yes

[87:01] yeah I know a few people here now uh that uh like uh that moving radiation okay try to connect it with someone else I think so I don't know it kind of felt like Bagel was completely [Music] I just didn't understand where to put it right now 882 882

[88:12] interpreters I just want to um do a quick check-in are you all good do you like our place girls I go there and like when it's late because foreign

[99:46] you at least awesome there you go um Elizabeth is going to share the screen for a minute but we're gonna go

[100:00] back to that agenda and um if you have any additions or edits that you want to make at this point please do so um and we're gonna um move the HRC work plan discussion before the HRC elections conversation but we're gonna get to hopefully to the elections as well small it's a small kind of review that we need to do but we're going to go over the work plan discussion right now um we do I do want to provide you all with an overview first of the work plan so as a reminder the work plan there uh no we're okay there we go we're going to um go over the work plan um that is really a map is a road map

[101:00] that is going to lead your work moving forward so um as we have discussed in the past and it's outlined in the in the manual the HRC has a very unique set of um details that should be included in your work plan right so in your role do you do hear from Mutual here from the city um city council to provide you with instructions of what are some of those items that potentially you can work on and then do also can see areas of interest that are in alignment with the work plan of City Council in order to kind of complement that I created these kind of wall for all of us to kind of go over the structure um Anna is new and I think it would be a

[102:02] good refresher for everybody to remind ourselves where the HRC is so um in the do you know who they are kind of first um image we have there we do have city council as a body those are the current city council members and their names and you can take a look uh later and then we do have our city manager Nuria and then we go down to the boards commissions and Council that have various specific roles of responsibilities so policy who works in policy is city council the administration of it overseas um the functions of the Departments and boards and commissions have a very specific role of advising on policy delegated by Council and um also look into what are some of those

[103:04] recommendations that council could take into consideration for their future work plans um council is the one that sets policy adopts legislation but the human relations commission is one of many commissions that work in a specific issues like environmental issues transportation [Music] um here's the Boulder Junction Anna the two have been sitting on and providing updates to their commission there's a Parks and Rec there's a downtown management the Arts commission and so on so your scope will work among all of the functions in es which each specific board and clinician is uh very specific so one of them is as I said and one of the reasons why we're here is

[104:01] creating that work plan that is going to lead the work for the year ahead of you so here are some more details on the functions that actually JH cited earlier on fostering mutual respect or I believe that was speaker and then um there was another one here a bison city government in relating human and social services that was the one that JH addressed but the common theme among all of these functions is that you're helping the city addressing social issues and that is very broad right again one of the guiding principles is creating this plan informing city council and when you propose to work on for the next year and usually that letter goes out around November or so or early December because city council hosts or has their annual

[105:03] retreat at the beginning of the year of the calendar year so that's something to keep in mind as we're working on those potential items that we're gonna go over we're gonna review what are the some of those pending working items for the year 2022-2023 and then being able to identify opportunities and potential new items for you to carry on for the year to come Elizabeth yeah so I think that um in the past this past or well it's still 2023. so earlier in this year we and even at the retreat last year when Lucas came and you were not on um at this time on from our city attorney's office and went through kind of the roles and the responsibilities the processes there is as Ingrid said

[106:00] um times when city council will say HRC we would like you to help us with this we would like you to advise on this policy however there are times then when you as well can say this is an issue we really want to talk about and research and explore and hear from community members and what we um Ingrid and I have tried to do is is kind of help that convert those conversations along um and make sure that in that communication to council you all are spending time on things that are important to you that's within your role and we know as staff that there's that people want to hear from you right we don't want to set you up into a situation where you say we're all interested in this topic but it's not anything that the city can do anything about or maybe it falls on the uh the

[107:00] task list of another commission so those where we really the communication about kind of what goes on this work plan is very much like a two-way Street or even three right if we include City Council so what we want to do today is just kind of review some of those items that you have talked about this past year and indicated that you really want at least the conversation at the time was things that you wanted to continue to talk about you wanted to reach out to city council ask them if they would like to hear from you indicate your interest and then also um bring to you some potential new issues um that have not been on your plate yet but that either previously have been um a task for the human relations commission and so they could again and brand new opportunities um blank child-friendly cities initiative and others so that's kind of

[108:02] how we wanted to how we're proposing we have this discussion um now would be to kind of talk about what have you already talked about this year that you would like to move continue to move forward and how can we help do that and then what are some of these potential new issues and then I think coming back to the how and what some of the ideas were that we talked about with Nia earlier so that we really are kind of leaving this meeting with an understanding of um what are the things that would go on meetings right what do you want to accomplish what are those outcomes so that we can help structure those for the rest of this year and then leading into next year how does that sound great any questions about what Ingrid shared earlier it's a lot

[109:02] there's not a whole lot of language in the actual kind of ordinance the manual about how we do things is much longer but you know the functions are are pretty there's not very much text there but that could include everything that happens in the city and that's really not the intention it has to be something where it's the where those things meet right it's interest it for you it is part of your function and it's recognized as that it's a it's a place where your role can be really helpful right there aren't any other committees or commissions or boards that are doing that exact thing or a collaborative approach something like that so from items and conversations that you had in the past year what are some of the things that you can

[110:03] um name or recall on a there's still threads of that pending or work that is still pending or that are items that kind of fail like on that could need more work or that you want to move forward with me look at my emails there's a little bit foggy yeah and in many in many I mean I I understand the reasons that behind that is a we haven't had monthly meetings B um there's been still lingering pieces of the restructure right this year is when um the funding fees was relocated and also

[111:00] um we've been working on the future right and and the now but what's what's ahead for you all um as a refresher you did have in the last previous months you do have a conversation about protected classes and I believe that there was a draft letter that you figure and Christine were working on um are you able to provide the rest of the commission with an update on that we don't we haven't really worked on as much in a while okay so I think Christine and I need to like everything okay yeah I'm going through my emails to kind of dark my members and that's okay we can we're here to hell it's not a test right but yeah so

[112:02] um I don't activate it for things like that okay Carlos do you recall any of the items that where spoken about or I'm looking I think it was a thing that I was really interested in Analytics it was about uh I remember um the chief police este jueves yeah the day after tomorrow on Thursday I have a meeting with the police department I

[113:00] will get together when there is something to talk about so the reimagining police that's one thing our colleague Wendy Schwartz and chief Harold came to the HRC to share kind of those windows of kind of Engagement where they were taking input they are going to be presenting the finished plan to City Council on September 7th if unless that date changes I believe it's September 7th it will be at a city council meeting so that could be one of those opportunities for you know we can send out the information for you it's a lot to keep track but City Council meetings are on Thursdays but if that's something where that you're interested in they're also always recorded which you could go listen you know and then there will be next steps after the plan if city

[114:00] council approves it then we'll go to now how are we going is the police department going to be engaging to put the plan into action so if that's something that you all are going to be interested in then it's certainly something where we can let you help let you know here are the next milestones and indicate that you're you're interested you want to hear more you'd like to know how the engagement is happening you want to attend meetings like the city council meeting on September 7 you're more than welcome to do that that'll be the next milestone for that plan what is go ahead sorry I just jump in it starts talking okay it's a so when a a department in the city

[115:00] um creates what we call a master plan it means kind of a a strategy with a description of what they want to achieve what their role is activities or goals that they have that might be different from the past years so it's it's a plan or strategy that is meant to be over a long period of time not just here's what we're going to do in 2024 but here's you know the work that we want to do and what impact we want to have over the next many years several years um and so this plan called reimagining police has been a process that has taken a couple of years maybe a little bit more than that now to accomplish and so on September 7 they will be presenting here's the plan and then it the next steps are to to put

[116:00] that into action so that's something just kind of you may be interested in going to that city council meeting um they're all for every city council meeting There's an opportunity to to make public comment and there are you know if that's that would definitely be something we can share again that's your right as your ability for people who live in Boulder and you know as an HRC member it would be good for you to know what that process is in case you're talking to other people that would want to know how to participate foreign present by the police they had so the our our colleague Wendy Schwartz and chief Harold were the two people who presented to the HRC

[117:03] um about the reimagining police plan last spring I'm trying to remember exactly when that was yeah or maybe last winter actually because it went back in the winter um and Wendy has been helping work just to on this plan she's not a member of the police department that has been working on this plan and they've also had some other Consultants so we can find out exactly who's presenting but it will probably be a combination of all those people sure if it will be helpful for me to share a the link to the HRC meeting where they came and present because um Anna was not there and I can share the link remember that all the meetings that you participated in are public record and they are available in the HRC website I love the city along with your contact information each other's contact information so I'm

[118:03] happy to share the link and then follow um share the um link or the webpage of city council for you to watch the meeting so September 7 meeting what I want to know is like is she apparel will be presenting that on somebody else thank you Harold and Wendy it could it'll probably be several people who are taking it's typically for something like that not just one person presenting probably several people now the plan is reimagining what was uh-huh and agendas and materials for City Council meetings regardless of which meeting and what the issues are are always posted ahead of time and so it would it's very easy for us if that's helpful for you all for any council

[119:01] meeting for us to provide that information to you directly we're more than happy to help do that September 7th okay they start at six and I'm I'm really a little upset with her I think she's foreign yesterday last night they sent us uh video what it caught it and they say it's in the system there's a problem they can fix it they they exonerated the two police officers that followed me to the bank and to my child that made an appointment

[120:01] because they they blame the back while the bank says I've never caught up I think I'll go to that video because I realized like you know it's either I started yelling or somebody they're gonna shoot me one there this I don't think it's fair for people to have that kind of power where you you feel things they were this thing happened in February they say it on two weeks so that we both until last night I don't know if that makes sense that's March April May June July August and the saddest part of it was she I don't know what she reads it I don't know I have to say because you know she signs on there and I think which I feel like I don't know somehow you know somebody

[121:03] is going wrong they should have the consequence so it's uh I don't know but it any and any of you and you already know this you're again you are people who live in the community to come to any city council meeting voice your perspective follow through like that's your right for for being a person in this community and so yeah how long do I give you the top Baron um is it two minutes yeah three minutes two minutes but we can share um the link yeah for where you can sign up everything's on the kind of goes through the web page but it's pretty easy process once we once you find the link so we'll we'll be happy to send that to you and again that's information just going back to the HRC role as well

[122:02] where people know your it's a good process for you to be familiar with right if people in the community recognize and similarly say I don't know how to speak at a council meeting how do I do that where do I find the information for you all to know that again regardless of the issue um or the meeting is is really good and always if if requested in advance that could be interpretation provided in a new language so yeah um so for September 7 we've got share link for city council meeting and kind of information about how to sign up to speak um and then share the link the video recording from the meeting where they presented if you wanted to review that and then obviously the plan has progressed since then they'll be on the website the agenda other materials

[123:01] and do you feel like moving ahead is there I mean maybe you don't know yet but will be or could be interest in continuing to hear about Milestones with that plan since it's something that had already been presented to you all this year you want to wait and see you don't have to know now but if you do yeah I don't know I think we get to hear about it because I feel like uh you know how do I put it until there are certain things until you're the victim of it you really ignore the dog impact it could have and someone that that uh that's not on your shoes like that you know talking about it all wants to

[124:00] change or wants like you know make a difference so yeah and then um is there anything else from last year one of the other presentations that again our colleague Wendy presented was about the co-responder program if you remember that one um the city currently has a program where a mental health provider professional will accompany a police officer when a 9-1-1 call is made and there's not been a crime committed but somebody is having mental health or Behavioral Health trauma and we're now putting into place a program that would have mental health professionals and

[125:03] emergency response Personnel not police at all going to help people again where there's not been a crime committed but people aren't in trauma and need assistance so that program is going to is we're working on rolling that out now there will be valuations in place again like that's one of the topics on which you all kind of heard a presentation and provided a lot of input during the meetings and some of it between the meetings and kind of after where Lindsay helped kind of gather comments and and sent them over um so that's that could be another example if you were to say we if you wanted to hear updates about that it's certainly something else that we would be able to communicate to our colleagues and potentially share with you all

[126:01] about or just quick changes to the community that means we should be aware of let me ask you a question like that one is that one who's working on that you say the the it's a collaboration between our housing and human services staff so our um we in our department is kind of where the mental health providers kind of live right within the city structure but it's a partnership between our department and the fire department which manages the emergency response so you see like the EMT staff those come from fire department not police and so it's a fire department Human housing Human Services Department collaboration because I think they have a lot of I think by the police when somebody has

[127:02] a regular policy to radio too like we're instead of Google assistant it's like it's like an example what happened well I will not say just the police but I think people here too abused that as well because I remember I was driving in my neighborhood there was a guy he just got out of the car and just started yelling and then somebody called the cop the next thing you know so I think I agree somebody like that doesn't need a call you know and I've seen so many people mental honey Club manifold breakdown yeah it's it's it's insane it's like you know vulner might

[128:00] be wealthy but I have to tell you there are a lot of people here that's struggling a lot and sometimes that only way out is is having a great what is a breakdown no because I've seen it a lot like you know like even on my field somebody will come in and then you said currently five thousand dollars will work and then next thing you need to turn around that personally saying that afterwards like 15 times so I came home but it's not a problem to him for you it's just uh the stress the stress it's just yeah yeah for sure okay is there anything else no that's good but I think the other thing I want is is that I'm working on on like having um

[129:01] the ladder sending out to that I wanted for like I wanted to make sure you understand that like when I approve like if I am a member of the hfc I think you know Chief Harold knows that there's no no one or no um you know if you saw me in meetings she I think two rereading since I've been a member and when you um like treat me I was looking around oh it's not what about someone with like no pain you go to sin like like someone who is not having their statues legalized yet or someone who who have been afraid okay of them when they walk in

[130:01] when they when they um try to scare me you know like if I was not a strong man that day I was just like hit so why like my thing about it is like is there a way I can you know make the hrca or whatever because what I mean by it is is like I feel like there is a to make you understand so I think I talked to you I asked you about that you said you know talk to the Boulder Police oversight panel there's some mechanism yeah yeah there's a processary so when you do that and the police oversight panel gets evidence from that yes I'm sorry evidences from down just a letter from me when you you when you

[131:00] already Forge those evidence to send to the bullet oversight atom and you in the end like you made me wait for like six months I think that's six months February that's March April May June July August seven months so give me a report that has only three paragraphs okay in the end all you say to me is we are sorry that happened I I don't think that's fair in the community and then claiming the report like talk about what happened in one paragraph Just One and talk about oh yeah we'll make some recommendation for new training while the person that was at the bank has no reason why somebody white guy walking until now we still don't know because the person they claim

[132:00] that did the fraudulent thing the bank doesn't know and you have like my thing with it is like when you put me in a situation like that I'm telling you um if somebody comes to do that to me again at my shop it's not gonna end the same way because I know in the end of the day there's no justice there that's not somebody I'm telling you but I'm not going to throw it someone can treat me less anymore because you carry a gun I can carry one too it's either I died standing up or it's the end of that way because my whole thing about that situation was I don't think my golden was never suit this evening that's not my goal my goal is to get Justice from these guys where they use their power but when you have like Chief

[133:01] Hayward that's covering them up I think someone like me if I need to speak and I don't know if I can if you know there's a way as members to if I can share with I can share everything with YouTube as well with what I have what they call on this video is the audios and stuff like that like where they say oh no it's not our technology where the only part they keep that's one part they can you can hear clear is when they met the guy called me to reporters no other part of those videos works so I don't think that's fair enough you know I'm not but I think at Indiana like I want to send a letter out to the public you know I wouldn't make sure that I say I'm a member of the HRC but I don't think I would say HRC as well because it's my personal situation but I think you know if there's a way like that

[134:01] you know because uh I think if I have been treating that way bigger orders that's been treated water study and I'm telling you that thing cost me so far seven thousand dollars you pay lawyers to go with them to because they wouldn't even talk to me I said six different appointments with a guy there did McAllister who was an investigator he plays a game like more than anybody you could ever imagine so a couple things I'm thinking of and your colleagues will need to weigh in here right but in terms of the HRC um role an Ingrid will address a little bit later on where there might be some opportunities for different kinds of advisory groups to actually for you to engage with them where there might be a

[135:00] little bit of overlap in role or responsibility um but a couple of things have changed since Amy Kane our city colleague presented on the police oversight panel is that we do now have a new independent monitor who's stepping in that role has been vacant for a while um and that person is starting quite soon it could be an opportunity for you to engage with them if you want there's now we still have a police oversight panel right where there's again as Ingrid said there are mechanisms for kind of taking those situations um carrying them out right so it may not necessarily be the hrc's role to hear um to kind of process that complaint if you will because there is a police oversight panel an independent monitor but it certainly could be a conversation you

[136:00] could have with them do you want to have them come and present do you want to go to those meetings we can help explore what that would look like right see um and enable you to be within your HRC role the new independent monitor for the police so this person oversees see the police oversight panel I know those are really big words it's like the police monitor independent Monitor and uh the oversight panel so the panel is formed by community members and then the independent police monitor is a person that oversees the panel does that make sense so this is a new hire it's a new person that will um start I believe I was just looking at the press release soon soon

[137:01] um and August 21 so yesterday oh there you go he just started so it's an opportunity that we do have as a commission to get to know more about the structure maybe get to know this person um and yeah well I would like to get to those questions because I'm telling you I'm not a point right now or maybe I feel like that happened to me it's me too I prepare myself to make a change then I type it two weeks ago we had a meeting like just black men Among Us okay we are the poor guys one of my how would I put it I

[138:02] I think he was guilty of the the the Georgians they gave him but it's weird they couldn't they uh they uh it's like someone knocked on your door and they decided okay it looked like uh you need a ticket for something and but they're usually criminal you know things well because they were misinformed like me like I said I have a good group that shows me out quite a bit if anything happens I just did for myself I know quite a bit a dangerous goal the process they can't stand up for themselves they are afraid they are um like they think if the police decides to to like one of them let me put that for you one of them was driving from

[139:00] some older at that place where they drink stop them and just said I smell alcohol you mean he gave him his driver's license and everything without uh uh um you know the weather to check the the level of alcohol or give him a sobriety um you're giving me DUI and that kid had to have that thing you know in his car for two years that's a lot of money but because he was misinformed because he didn't know and I'm building that you know like everyone they have done these guys that never could make a complaint they never did because they think if they make it it's not it's going to be against him or somebody's gonna create a problem so my whole thing with those things is like how many members that I don't know they do that too but if you make a complaint if they do to make a complaint these people probably may not be a company and

[140:00] that's just our problems and when you have achieved that me I make a complaint they it's fiddle that's the way they call it like for the evidences and treat me like that what about people and I think I think if I can make put those people out I'm serious I'm downloading myself and after I spent seven thousand dollars I could have used that for my kids I couldn't travel and then you stood there it's like I feel like it's a sad situation or I do follow the process but you still walk over me and you still have more voice than me in the community where you're doing abuse I don't think that's right so I mean if I can realize many information that I can as many people I can contact I would love that to to I know it's going to be a long process but I'm happy with that her other Commissioners what is your interest in

[141:00] um hearing from or meeting with the new independent Police monitor or following up on police oversight panel processes that sort of thing the morning serious how how he's undependent what she said yes because independent yeah which is so about just what is the role how does it work let's process all of those questions yeah why does that person your next class if I miss him um you know what I'd have to read the press release again oh I don't believe so we can forward it to you [Music] um yeah

[142:06] okay we can definitely add that to the list very Timely um okay I feel like that's kind of a good segue to potential new items I feel like maybe we don't notice too much progress with the HRC because we don't really choose to focus on one thing you know there's so much that we focus on and we on you know different times and different things are important so I wonder if like saying for the next three months let's dedicate our time and energy to making a change in this and then the next three months like what we can agree on something you know you know that we think aligns with the HRC goals and then you see if we can focus on each other because like Anna mentioned rent prices being extremely high and is there

[143:00] anything you can do about that you know but I don't know if one meeting a 20-minute discussion is going to resolved it but if we just say like we're going to dedicate three months to doing them and then we say we're going to dedicate three months into looking into the police oversight and seeing if we can make a change that you know what I mean I don't know if you guys agree I don't know if that's like also that takes away from us maybe exploring a lot of topics because we're only focusing on a few things throughout the year I don't know what's important I think there's a couple ways to look at look at it quicker because remember that each item or each topic as you're calling it also comes with a set of actions and programs that usually do my taking won't mom and then within a month and a half the progress has been yeah like hiring that person right because that is a very comprehensive process of opening the position interviewing candidates and

[144:00] going through the selection process so I don't know how fast you know are you going to be able to address a topic or an issue within three months yeah so perhaps is creating a priority list on the topics that you want to focus on and then get a pulse on what are we at with the city what the city is doing what council is doing what kind of like actions are being taken and then moving to another topic and do the same because I feel like sometimes maybe it's a matter of awareness among yourselves on following those topics because a lot of work gets done over time but being able to go back to it and getting the updates might be more efficient than blocking a chunk of time where progress month to month might not be us

[145:01] Speedy yeah does that make sense yeah but that's certainly something that's part of our job right is to say okay like okay remember that presentation from back end December and reimagining police now September 7th that's the next Milestone or you know so it might not follow a block of time that's short but to make sure you're aware of where yeah things have progressed and are the next step in engagement um or if you were to say like Beyond just don't inform us about that but here's how we want to be able to engage um again I do believe to you like if you look at it you know I don't think any of us will remember any of those topic reductions a long time ago and a lot and how do you do you

[146:01] Focus it's like me I'm a technician guy but I feel like I'm not saying life should be that way that's not what I'm saying because yeah how do you how do you grab an item in one comment you don't and you switch to the next instead of you know like I will switch to the next car instead of like oh I touched this car and I touch the next one and I touch the next one right yeah and I got to a point where like what am I well what yeah I haven't finished it I need the cards it's so true so many things in your life you know we don't remember us at all yeah and some of them so what are some of the tools and mechanisms that I or we can put together for you to be able to follow through is it a table

[147:02] where we said like the date and the time in a few notes and then the next touch point and then the next botch point or is it notes that you take is it a notebook that we give you is it what is it is it paper is it an Excel spreadsheet is it a word what is it that you need besides the minutes that can help you kind of bring those topics too to the Forefront before the meeting for instance if we're having a next touch point on a topic what could help you prepare for it in other words for you to remember like oh yeah that's where the conversation was left then what is it that you all need but could be helpful like I am a spreadsheet person if it's

[148:01] not in one document with bullet points or a spreadsheet with dates who said they were going to do this thing and when you know it goes in my mind or other people like appreciate like an actual chart right or a graphic or something like that but um and again maybe you don't know now but it's something where you're like you know it would be helpful could you do this for us could you help with that could we set that up that helps us to be able to say absolutely um um yeah that's like okay let me do it that way we're trying to revenue I hope that you don't think I'm an idiot no one so you guys nobody thinks that you guys you guys the minutes correct I take minutes of every meeting and those are public record as well and I share them too no no

[149:02] you prepare that correct yeah so you get the answers from from the conversation at each meeting so everything that is said in a meeting in your meetings I take notes okay when you prefer I'd say we have a meeting next one how do you prepare that where do you get the zombies oh the agenda the chair and the co-chair which we're going to talk about elections in a minute yeah so I think at this point that's you know that's probably our responsibility to because I never knew where it's coming from so it doesn't make sense it's just something that come out I think it needs to be more of uh boom and stand up and chair of the negotiate that makes the decision to say you know

[150:01] because I think that's uh that's a I want to put it like you know it just come out okay if we can like at least you know because otherwise that sanity Alice and Christina is not a president and vice president we don't have it we don't have a chair yet but that'll be the next objective there is no comment and like and we always we will always be in that solar area where it will never end because I would rather it thank you like um like uh you know because like you know we focus on the certain things and then we make sure like we get them done instead of like you know out of nowhere you just get a minute and then it'll send it to Christine and green and then sure it's you know it's like I don't

[151:01] know and I and I would say it's not um completely out of nowhere right so when we have meetings with the chair like with Lindsay right who's the past chair we would say as a reminder here's what you all talked about last time um this is what the commissioner said you wanted to follow up on um how do you want to address that in the next meeting right or the next step is going to be you know two months from now do you want to do that at this next meeting or the meeting after that so that's part of our staff job is to make sure that things don't just drop right um and again it's the responsibility of the chair the co-chair or all of you at a meeting to say let's not end this meeting until we know What's um until we agree on what we want to talk about next time yeah and then the details that's up to the you know

[152:00] the chair and staff to to check in on next time it seems like Carlos has to say something is that right yes uh before we continue I'd like to because I mean I like the spreadsheets that you mentioned you know just the most important points for the month you know this is for such and such a month I okay I think that would be ideal no problem easy and the if there's a different format that you all will feel more

[153:00] comfortable than a spreadsheet because sometimes spreadsheets Minds we are illegal spreadsheet um oriented um if there's a different format please share it I'm more than happy to be creative or graphical just some boxes follows and just simple unusual person okay maybe like police oversight yeah like I'm down Keith Harold big points that were made yeah okay I can work on maybe sharing some ideas and you can pick what works best for you how long do the meetings last with the co-chair and the team to come up with the agenda

[154:00] okay we block an hour yeah I was just thinking I wonder if it's something that we can quickly do at the end of our movies but in hours like Oh and it doesn't have to be the details you know but just like okay let's come up with next meetings agenda right now while everything is fresh on everyone's mind but then of course there needs to be the details that we can't probably figure out and some you know we always there is a part at the end of every meeting where staff report like here's our next steps here's what we're walking away what you've asked us to do or what our next steps are and so for example um last year last calendar year um with the CARE program the co-responder program right there was a commissioner said we wanna we have questions that we want to think about and get to staff so that she can report

[155:00] back or with reimagining police or the police oversight panel I said we want to have you come back we want to have you come back as staff to talk with us again and report back the answers so it's our job and we did that right the next meeting with Lindsay was to say okay you know how do you want to handle getting the questions back to you all at the next meeting do you want it in person do you want her to come in person do you want them submitted in writing so it wasn't as though that was just kind of made up right it's what you all decided at the end of the meeting it's like we want to have this happen next and then the details kind of get worked out with the with the chair in between time but we can definitely right make sure that the meetings end with like very clear like good anything that's not being said any agenda items you know just make sure everybody's a hundred percent clear on what you want to have happen next

[156:01] no problem that kind of feedback is I think important for yeah Ingrid right and us and any other staff who are supporting you is to make sure we know you know what to expect if we don't do that you know you know we're accountable for that and then you know when you elect the chair um to work with the vice chair who's Ben Carlos right then that's also their role um and again so there's accountability mechanism there as well yeah and I think we go back to documentation fees quite often we're tapping into it we're circling into each other's expectations um expectations with staff too um but also that part of getting to know each other do your interest where are we in the work plan again is we're coming back to the same

[157:01] route that is our communication style so let's let's work on that to let us know what's working what's not working and among yourselves as well um so we can continue improving and bringing conversations at the Forefront when you need to resume so we can move into if you're okay I don't know it's not sharing I think naturally it's sharing right here we can move into 2020 23 2024 it's 7 30 I just want to be aware of um of time and we have done that in a very natural way um as we're speaking about these but it would be of your God this is something sorry it's just not um but some of the potential items that

[158:02] um we just turned it around like this we called um look into um because these are initiatives that are happening and are at certain points in the prop in the in the progress or progression um one of them is conversations about minimum wage um this is a conversation that was being a topic of city council it's been a topic of the city manager's office and um we're wondering if there's any interest on you um either um getting information from or participation participating in those conversations have you all heard about what's happening with the minimum wage yes

[159:02] absolutely so um and please help me here Elizabeth as I gather my thoughts and my Works um so there is a collaborate collaborative effort across municipalities and um including Longmont including Lafayette like more of a county level on raising the minimum wage so apparently the minimum wage is 12. something and they're posing to elevate it to 15. to put in kind of a phase potentially the details are not yet no but because what I read was like it's gonna be 20 so almost yeah well there's so there has been a County government and then all of the city governments within Boulder County

[160:00] so as Ingrid said Boulder Longmont Lafayette Louisville Yuri like all of the Cities have been talking with the county for a while about a regional approach that everybody would come to agreement collectively to to raise the minimum wage so you don't have this cities doing this this one's not doing anything this one's moving ahead of this level and there is a collaboration of of non-profit organizations labor organizations that have been promoting a very specific um levels or tiers of minimum wage increase so right now the city of Boulder has been working with other cities in Boulder County for a process to try to kind of unify the governments together to agree on minimum wage increase and that process involves Community engagement which would mean

[161:03] reaching out to the nonprofit Community to the business Community getting input doing that research to say what impacts would there be and to help governments decide on what level the minimum wage may be increased and when so that's something that's already happening in the past the human relations commission for Boulder um was very involved in helping advise on city of Boulder staff minimum wage and so this is something an issue that the HRC has been very engaged in in the past and we wanted to bring this up to you and with some of our colleagues who are very interested in coming to an HRC meeting and getting your input on what that engagement plan is so here's the ideas we have what thoughts do you have what are we missing I'm not sure what's going on here what

[162:02] are we missing um are there organizations or groups that you think we need to pay more attention to and hear from that sort of thing so if that's something of interest to you we can certainly make that happen they would probably be sometime in the next couple of months um which doesn't have to mean you can't hear about or know about anything else either but there's definitely that is moving ahead and so you know we would if you're interested we would we would um be able to come back with some suggestions for when to have them come that be a topic at at an HRC meeting let me ask some quite a quick question while you've seen it you see that uh the interest he used to be really involved in the minimum wage so what has changed that make it not involved just the discussion hasn't come up again right so this is an issue about um raising the minimum wage for city

[163:00] employees and that was a number of years ago like for City Boulder employees so this has been a topic right that community members have been very interested in and City governments have been talking with each other about it for the last several years but now it has kind of gotten to the point yeah where it's like okay now we're ready to move ahead and try to figure out what that what that level might be and can we get a bunch of governments together you know to to work on this together so it's not that now we care about it now we don't but it's just kind of the evolution of these changes now it's kind of come around again as something that's not only minimum wage for City staff which is the most recent time when the HRC was involved and now this is something that would affect everybody in the community so what are your thoughts about that interesting

[164:00] I'd like that yeah well I'm a business owner I don't want to say anything I don't know because it's hard well no that's the perfect future in that organization and you know it's been hard to hire people so we ended up paying them 20 bucks an hour so just drive people around and thoughts and I thought it was 20 and I'm glad you say that because we have been like we had a meeting on last Sunday we were 25 shops because we were thinking okay how do we move past that because mechanic once any mechanic you're hire another when I get paid 35 bucks a week anybody you hired to Super floor clean anything that when I get paid 20. well so that's a perfect example of what so it won't be so if our our colleague our staff colleague Taylor Ryman is the person who first staff is kind of

[165:00] representing for staff in these spaces and she would come to an HRC meeting if you wanted to and say all right here's where we're at here's our plan for getting input from community members business non-profit you know workers right employee labor groups Etc and get your thoughts about that sounds good what about this population you know what about this idea how are you going to account for that well I think honestly I think 15 is good we we all agreed on it but I'm telling you out there right now anybody will hire ask for 20. it's it's quiz everybody can share their you know different things initially when you said twelve dollars an hour to that lady okay I think 15 is fair and then when you

[166:01] talked about small businesses it's like if you look at me I'm paying people 20. and I have to figure out a way to provide them some kind of benefits because if they go work out let me give you an example uh God will pay them 18 but gives them entrances they're tall I can't I can't do it like I love to that you're you're having this level of conversation and I also would like to invite you all to listen to different perspectives um because there's different groups advocating for different things yeah and the more informed you are about their perspectives the more you can come together as a commission together as a group and provide with your personal experience as well to provide that into

[167:00] so again it's like that connector and yes what Carlos and Anna is this minimum wage something you'd want to hear about from sit and provide input on the engagement plan next two topics I want to participate and I want to be picky about yeah because you have two more topics correct yeah there's a couple other things we wanted to bring yeah because it's kind of tricky question well and it doesn't mean you don't all have to agree on you might all have different personal opinions or you might say um maybe this is not my priority right for minimum wage but as a group is this something that you feel it's in your

[168:01] role helpful right kind of helping advise the city on a specific issue um [Music] well I know this is not enough to give 12 dollars right now with this inflation but yeah and the engagement piece I think 15 is I'm serious 15 is is absolutely well I think it we should look at it you know looking at it in different places you know they take you know it's an example I had a guy that came to the shop I just to drive people around for me like get rides and if the customer needs a ride or I need to pick up something I offer them 18 bucks an hour and he laughed he said if I go work out Wendy's they will pay me 16 and I will eat for free you know I think they should look at it

[169:00] in different areas like you know somebody who's picking up Tomatoes at those farming older shouldn't get paid really um seriously going yeah I think that at this phase in time which is community engagement like what kind of voices need to be heard and when Taylor comes you can all share you know who needs to be it who needs to well I think it should be referred in that engagement piece yeah that's the hardest thing I'm nice there's some there's different things on the list and without us knowing we feel like prioritizing it sure well the other topic and and if you don't mind we can move through this I don't know why it's not letting me share anything so go ahead but the next one is input on child friendly cities initiative um so actually these tables came out of a worship that I we attended to

[170:03] um but the um city is collaborating with an organization called growing up Boulder on these um effort to Elevate the voices of children and kind of getting that seal that um identifies Boulder as a child friendly City um by UNESCO so is um again a work in progress a project that is in in progress um at this point we have received the training on what they're doing what they're hoping to to do um and there's other phases as well that are unfolding as they move through their project so I hear that they might be

[171:00] interested in you to getting to learn more about it um would you like a presentation would you like to have someone come and present to you like what the project is about what are the goals what is the timeline what kind of representation from the HRC might be needed I would just add to that so this is an area where the the ultimate the goal of this um processes is to for Boulder to be a child friendly City and again by an international we would be one of only seven cities in the country that would have this um distinction and it will help the city make sure that our decision making is really centered in the needs of children and part of that will also be used the process will be used to decide how the city will utilize two million dollars

[172:03] that comes to us that has come to us through the sale of the Denver Broncos stadium so just an interesting fact other cities are using their funding differently we've decided as a city that we want this part of that decision to come through a process that is centered in in youth um so I am already involved in this um Ingrid and other of our staff are already involved in some way our youth opportunities Advisory board for the city is already involved um non-profit agencies right will be involved one of the areas where the HRC could be uniquely um helpful is around any issues regarding the the right the human rights of a child right which is what some of you have kind of lifted up as your motivation for you know being engaged

[173:01] so we don't know exactly what that would look like yet for a group like the hrce but as Ingrid said if it's something that you might be interested in at minimum we can let you know like hey this is when this is the next Milestone uh maybe there's a need you know for somebody to come in and kind of represent these concerns about specifically like the kind of the human rights of the child um on particular issues as it moves ahead so Carlos this is the event that you came to um the day of the child um earlier in the spring and so again it doesn't mean that it has to be a priority but we wanted to bring that up because there is potentially a really nice connection with the scope and the kind of the role in the function of the HRC

[174:18] because if you think about the ride for children to have clean air right or food and like you can you can apply it to many many areas like well worries are um what are we doing right now what actions are we taking right now that are not necessarily kid centered that will ensure their the future of their clean air for instance or like that's how I understand it like yeah that even like careers with AI it could be in terms of opportunities education like there are a lot of

[175:01] different areas and each Community within this framework the child-friendly city initiative framework um some things we would say that applies more to us it applies less to us this is an international standard right so a city in Belarus right it's going to make different decisions about what to focus on than we might in Boulder or even the difference between Boulder and Houston Texas which is another you know City so but part of it will be yeah but um but the goal will be to say and again like this process is already moving forward um but if there's a specific opportunity to say you know what boy this would be great to have input from the HRC or if one of you or it's possible you'd say maybe Anna's very excited about this and wants to engage maybe you're participating in some of the meetings and Reporting back to the

[176:01] HRC right again so is there another need to bring in more community members as an event are you listening are you going to things it could it could happen in a bunch of different ways like we were talking about with Nia we just wanted to see is this something that you might be interested in so we can continue to update you and yeah see what opportunities there might be so Anna says yes what do the rest of you think maybe it depends yes I would like to give you an idea the boys are here okay we should take into consideration Anna mentioned that she would like to get involved

[177:13] about the minimum wage it's more interested and so on and so forth so everybody is involved but to bring all of them to the agenda in the next few months did you all get the translation I'm just cutting out a little bit Yeah assigning different people they're interested yeah you've got the yeah the essence of it it's like identifying

[178:01] those in person assigning you can choose among yourselves like who can represent represent and bring that to the to the topic I mean to the clinician as an agenda item for all of you to be informed and it might look differently for different initiatives but would help prevent everybody feeling like now we're doing this now we're doing this now we're doing this cars yeah it's the multiple cars that's going to be the analogy so a couple more yeah on the list that's um oops sorry nope I got it here immigration it's working now okay the next topic is um regarding a project that could require some research um

[179:00] infill and on the field research research and also research about what kind of organizations are out there already serving immigrants and identifying service needs and gaps um the idea behind this is that um the city manager's office is um interested in securing um some annual funds to be able to better support the Immigrant community so as it is right now um HHS or housing and Human Services does fund a number of organizations that serve the Immigrant community but it will be ideal to be able to have some more research that supports the argument of we should secure more funds to allocate to the different needs of the Immigrant Community whether that is legal services

[180:01] and the wide array of Legal Services because there's different um needs depending on um if it's just strictly a immigrant case or an immigrant incremental case like there's combinations about that um are they sessions that people need not only getting legal advice but also just general information on immigration like what does it mean or how someone goes from um one status to the next and what are some of those like usual Pathways or maybe similar session on helping immigrants to get a 19 number or what are the needs out there from The Immigrant community and service gaps um so it's basically conducting that

[181:00] research in order to back up the request to um ask or make the argument of asking for more funds to be allocated to that immigrant supporting immigrant communities is there not or not I mean I think this is right we don't um if it really is an honest and open question then that's where we really would not rely on this group not only the HRC but among other you know voices right because we have them in um housing we fund organizations that provide services right all the time to people who are immigrants but what is it that you see in what that that you know about and that you hear that our gaps um of some of the ideas that City staff have what would you say that sounds that that is aligned with what I experience and what I see or like here's something you

[182:01] haven't brought up that's also a need or a gap or a concern but just to make sure that we really have the benefit of the knowledge and experience of you all and people who you know right kind of thinking about the conversation with Mia um who is it that you know and where other spaces are you in that you can help kind of bring these voices onto the front to help us shape is there anything else that we could provide if so what is that um what kind of resources are available for that Etc so now the goal is just to secure that following before the Immigrant or is their Union boy and forth in other team of that information to see what kind of services are being seen um at this point yeah it unfortunately none of the grid ideas creates money we never have as a city as many resources

[183:00] as we want so hearing the input can help give us more information with you know to make decisions and I do believe like you know illegal assistant can you remember it would be good because uh I already have desire a lot going on to the city yeah they they will do a job because in the Indiana person does a little bit you know it's just um an avoid situation or but they're afraid to to go anywhere to get married you know my Legal Assistant will be really really um where they know okay yeah that question about Bailey and I can't I think one time I called you about that

[184:00] yeah or you know it's somebody you don't get back and and they can learn it's just yeah like and they always create a situation where they didn't call the copper name or something and you know if you're an immigrant here the minute you get arrested that's another interesting topic that I wonder how much is it helpful to know how much is it how much this people know of the sanctuary city and what that means like all right I'm going to give you a simple answer I'm a friend here eat on a restaurant I'm not going to

[185:00] name this restaurant yes he's an immigrant he has more people and then he hired a Vader in here she scared him so much he ended up coming to the shop and when I said to him well just you know she's getting better things to do even though giving her five thousand dollars because she made like created you know like a whole scene how like those attacks are there the attacks are there like how many things she and then when you look at it he's a guy that was helping her I agree he's an immigrant he has no paper yet but he has a business he can hire what do you do like as a person who grew up here that's the problem and I got upset with it because not because the person didn't Advance because she uses that part of him being illegal to make him give her you know

[186:05] yeah this is the case so what I'm hearing is not only like legal assistance for the immigration status but also legal assistance for business owners who are immigrants yeah is that what I'm hearing okay what are your thoughts yeah I'm I'm definitely interested in this topic especially of the summer events happening second year a year and a half a lot of immigrants from Ukraine even a lot of people leave Russia because it disagree is what's going on and and how it's process and they come here and they don't have they go status even food even money to live even a place to stay and I can come to church like immigrants

[187:02] minister or Orthodox church and just to gather some information what people need and how many people was but there's no these people very struggle no legal status no food no children with children I just could not imagine what is going on and showed me a lot but there's something like my soul because it's people who speak my language and because speak language [Music] because they come to escape some people lost everything houses kids rooms to resources and they need resources again this is the conversation that we do not have to have right now I like identifying those gaps it is great that

[188:00] we're able to identify the legal piece that resources peace but if this is a topic of Interest we can bring it back includes a lot of people and we have to think ahead on what's driving some of these immigration in waves and you know one thing is the need that we currently have right now and understanding is going to help everybody including the city prefer for future waves of immigration um I it is eight o'clock secure do you want to add anything to the Immigrant conversation do you are in favor excuse me there's so much to do we went from what do we do to too much to do yeah

[189:04] [Music] he's been living here waiting I'm gonna be 25 years and still is on his business for 10. it's a good restaurant somebody who does that experience and when you look at a worker too like I don't remember who this worker was I had to ended up calling Andrew to say it is impossible it works for like weeks and then you realize the person who we're supposed to pair doesn't have a bear but because he has no paper it just swallowing and I don't think that's fair yeah can you do those things so

[190:01] okay Carlos

[192:51] well

[193:07] all right