May 14, 2025 — Housing Advisory Board Regular Meeting

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[MM:SS] timestamps correspond to the YouTube recording.

[0:04] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Hey, are we live? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: This is the May 14, th 2025, meeting the Housing Advisory Board. This is a hybrid meeting. We'll people attending via zoom! I'm calling the meeting to order of Michael Chase, the chair of Housing Advisory Board, and we'll do a roll call 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: not here yet, Erin Clearman here can be Torres. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Here 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: we do have a quorum. There's 5 members present. We don't. Maybe another one will call on your show. Live 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: quick review of the agenda. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: We will be approving the minutes as our next agenda, and that's number 3 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: followed by public participation. We'll have open comment with options for your in person or online participation.

[1:04] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: That's item 4. Item, 5 matters matters from the board. There are several 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: pleased to have Molly Tayer from housing and human services here tonight to do a staff presentation on the manufacturing housing strategy, which is a council priority, and we'll have discussion and feedback 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: among the board. This is a non voting item, informational item. We'll have an icebreaker to welcome our new members. Then we'll be electing a new chair and vice chair 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: for Housing Advisory Board. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: We'll discuss the next Member Quarterly Update to council. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: We'll have a report from our new subcommittee, and Anthony is now here. So we have 6 out of 7, 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: our subcommittee on housing solutions for homelessness. My work, plan, review. That's Corinne and Chip

[2:01] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: representing that for discussion. We'll be reviewing our work plan, and then it will be it for item 5 on the agenda. Item, item, 6. Matters from staff. Item, 7. Meeting, debrief and calendar check for our next meetings, and we'll attempt to adjourn before 9 o'clock. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Just a couple of cool things from the last month we did have. We're invited to join 2 project floors of new affordable housing projects in Boulder. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: One is High point in South Boulder, a senior residence on the side of a former church. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and a really wonderful project, the record 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and that, I think, has 40 units transitional, homeless, and the rest for affordable for seniors, you got to meet some residents. A beautiful project 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: wholesaled out very well. They did preserve part of the historic church, which was also cool.

[3:05] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and congratulations to Bhp. For that. And then, a week later, Bhp. Had an open house to debut their new Raleigh flat project. The site of the former Raleigh Sports Club at 29th and Bluff, and it's a hundred units of affordable housing, with, I think, 10 of those reserved for transitional people transitioning from homelessness really wonderful project, high density if it doesn't feel like it. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Beautiful courtyard, really efficient use of space, thanks to the single player concept. And 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: for those who think that nothing ever happens with affordable housing in Boulder, they should go check those out. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: With that we'll go on to approval of minutes. Our last initial meeting is March 26.th We actually had a training last month. It was not an official meeting. Do I have a motion to approve the meetings from March 26th to 2024. Okay, we have a second.

[4:06] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: all in favor. Hi, there's not okay. 6, 0. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It's time for public participation. I don't see any of the members of the public here in person. We have anybody waiting online, no one waiting online. So no public comment tonight. And we can go to Item 5 in the agenda. A Molly Bayer is going to present the manufactured housing strategy. So take it away, Molly, pleased to have you here? Thank you, Michael, so much. Let me manage my technology here for a second. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Make sure I can share my screen. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Sorry, yeah. Did you want to switch around the icebreaker. Or. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Oh, I think we're we're gonna switch the agenda. Yeah. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: to the icebreaker. I told him that you wanted to be part of the icebreaker. I, just the facilitator in me, was offended that the icebreak we wanted to be respectful. Okay, we're going to do the icebreaker. We're switching A and B

[5:16] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: alright, how much time do we have? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Do you want to participate? May I? Or with the staff? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Okay? So basically, what I'm gonna do is, I'm gonna hand out these little like prompts. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and we'll just kind of go around and you'll pick one of the prompts and and like, answer it, and it's like, what was your 1st paying job? And it it's you know. It could be like Dairy Queen, but somebody else, if somebody else is like 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I was shot out of a canyon at a circus which is unique and unusual chime in. But if you also worked at Dairy Queen whatever, and sometimes there's a few questions like

[6:02] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: salt or sweet, which one do you like everybody? Does that make sense? Then we'll just kind of see what we have for 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you should take a few. Yeah, just take a couple and then you can pick one. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Do you? Wanna start, Molly? And we'll just go around circle. Okay? And so just to clarify. So I heard it correctly. I love how well these are done. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: This is gorgeous. Look at this. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I read it. I answer it, or read it, and make somebody else answer it. No, you answer it, I answer it, and other others might chime in as well. Okay. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: G. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Can you speak more than one language which one? And how? Well. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: no, I'm still trying to master English. I did study French and Spanish, and for lack of immersion in trying. I remember 10 words. Is anybody fluent in anything else?

[7:06] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I have an unusual language. Say a couple things like, What does it sound like we all speak Swahili. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Why, he's going. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But they all spoke English. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Alright. Mine is what is your favorite local hype? And I would say, currently the 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: an enemy trail, which is always I always have to think about how to say that. Where's that? It's across from Sunitas Trailhead is the Centennial trailhead, and you can either go east to the Red Rocks or you can go 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: west to the Anemone Trail. An enemy and the wildflowers are primo this year.

[8:07] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And is it like a loop? Yeah, how long is the link 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: like 2 and a half miles? Something like that cool, alright. Mine is 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: What is something that I am proud of and given that 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: last weekend was mother's day, I would say that being a parent is probably the most challenging and rewarding thing I've done 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: very proud of being there. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Thank you. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'll pick a fairly recent one. Last fall there was a last waltz revisited this all star cast of people like Lucas Nelson at the Boulder Theater, and like unbelievably great, and they did other music besides the band.

[9:07] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Very cool. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Do you have any pets? What are their names? I have a chocolate lab named Coda, and the reason I was late is because, as I was getting ready to leave. I heard the chirping noise 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: from the low battery on the smoke detector, and my dog was terrified. He was shaking. His tail was under, and I felt like I had to get up there and remove the battery, and then that didn't work. So I jack it out, and he's like crying the things you do for your dogs, of course. But did you? Did he make it through the lightning and thunder? He's fine with that. But this chirping noise he was terrified. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Here's it differently than you do. It's like I gotta fix this before I go, or else he's gonna stroke while I'm gone. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Let's see, do you have any phobias? To? What? Yes, to spiders? Does it matter if they're big or small?

[10:10] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: They're just spiders, the bigger the worse correct. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It's like. I know they do good things, but they they creep me out too. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It's like, it's not rational with your kids. Did you have to ever hold Rosie. I didn't. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: They did. Rosie's like a big tarantula at the Butterfly Pavilion, and they actually have like a bunch of different rosies. But they let kids and parents, did you? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Several times? I didn't particularly care for it. I was like, Hmm. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Question is, have you ever met someone famous who 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and make sure it's not not really

[11:04] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I met Aaron Brockett one time, but it was actually, it was actually really cool for me, because I wasn't involved in politics at the time. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and I decided I would show up to a urban planning book club and almost everyone can't ended up not going. So it was just me and Aaron, and whoever organized it. And I just was like, I just met someone on city Council. He wasn't there at the time, and I just thought that was super cool. And that's what I kind of learned. That city council people are super accessible and really friendly. And that was a nice experience. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I know this isn't. Can you top this but sorry part of the reason I chose this question over the other one is, I thought it was more interesting because I was curious. What famous people other people! All right. In 1980 I interviewed Donald Trump. No kidding. Wow. He's such an asshole. He was tearing down the bottom store to build a trump tower

[12:11] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: doing a historic preservation story, and I called him up. I wasn't in person, but he he answered the phone. He answered his own phone 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: reasons, and he said, That's really persuasive. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I met Jared like the subway Jared before he. I don't know what he was doing in his life. But before all of that controversy where husband and I were on a road trip somewhere, and like nowhere, Colorado, we're at a gas station.

[13:06] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Jared pulls up. And we were like, commercials were all over the place, I think he lives in canyon city now, yeah. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: good to meet Madeleine. Yeah, 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: she grew up in Colorado. Right? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Maybe she did too. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But you didn't meet her in Colorado, or, no, I met her at a hotel in. DC, yeah, was she nice? Very. I always just slip a group of folks, and she walks in, and 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you know who that is. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And 5 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I went over and I had somebody. It was a like another Congressman, she ended up signing it when she did a book tour of the tablet cover. So that's pretty cool. Yeah. I posted it on Facebook and said somebody thought it was Margaret Thatcher, and I was like, no, that's our thing.

[14:15] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: My grandfather used to be a trainer for the Wwe so used to, or wwf so like 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: macho man, is probably Mr. Perfect. They used to come and hang out at the house all the time. What? Seriously, yeah, I've got pictures of them, like, just in regular clothes. They were the nicest people, very soft spoken, just 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: really cool people that's cool. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I didn't realize it was such a big deal, because 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: did not know that my dad was unable to it for a couple of years

[15:02] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: he's probably less interested, more closely related. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Next question, anything else? Yeah. Next question, where is your favorite food cuisine? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Whatever Tiffany orders? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I think it was Southern Indian cuisine. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Okay, like Nepalese. Oh, is that what you told me? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But it's just it's spicier, because it's hotter. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: That word totally comes from. Where are you. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Basically, you go to a Talli restaurant and they just come around with big buckets, dollar whatever. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Just keep refilling your your plate. Is there any place in town or around here that 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: serves the type that you like.

[16:02] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I mean, they'll serve a version of it, but 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: it's not the same as being, you know. Meal costs 50 cents, and it's all you can eat. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Who's 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: when you were a kid? What did you want to be when you grew up? I wanted to work in zoos like my my father did 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: any particular animal you wanted to. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'm a big fan of red pandas, and this animal called a bitterron. It's a Asian. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: they call them. Tree bears. They're really big. They have a pre-ental tail, and they kind of smell like popcorn. Oh, yeah, I grew up in Northern Pennsylvania, where the Zoo that he worked at didn't have

[17:07] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: after hours caretaking. So our house became after hours caretaking. So yeah, everything from bobcat comes to 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: alligators in the basement like we had everything in the house. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: What was the name of the tree bear? BINT URON g 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: very cool. When I was a kid I wanted to be the boss like my grandma, which I often remind my boss that that was my dream. And now I have my dream job.

[18:00] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: He does laugh. So that's good. What is your dream job now? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah, you know, it'd probably be to like, own a taco truck or something that'd be fun right? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But you said you haven't in the box. Oh, you get the boss. Don't tell my boss 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I just wanted to be a charge or something. We have time to do one more. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Do you have another 1? 0, I do. Stat. It's a huge one. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: What is my favorite season? It is right now. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It is right now it is. It is the smell. In the morning. It is the little bit of longer afternoon evening. It is sunlight angling across trees at sunset. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It is green, it is hummingbird showing up. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I like looking at all the I like looking in the closet all the clothes I'm not wearing.

[19:10] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Thank you. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: What international city would you like to live in? Oh, I we talk about this a lot in my family. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: The current top one is London. We have some family there, and near there, and it would just be 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: cool to be there. But I don't know so many places. I haven't been that I'd love to go and live for 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: a while, Greece, like if it's in like in mamma mia, that kind of Greece in the streets. Wouldn't that be awesome? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I don't know anybody else want to live someplace international. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yes, for 4 years I'd like to go with someone else. There's a Youtube channel I like called, not just bikes.

[20:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And it's a guy talking about urban transit housing mostly transit 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and he spends a lot of time in Europe going from city to city and talking about the solutions they've come up with. And I I see those videos. I'm always thinking, oh, I'd love to go live there for a season, you know, like 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: there's 1 Bergen, Norway and Utrecht Netherlands and 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: full bond in Germany, I think, and so there's I. I would love to do like a we could do a big field trip where, like, you know, we visit all these places and see all the 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: ways that other people are figuring out how to make good use of land. That would be an icebreaker. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Okay, okay. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: what is the best or most recent book you have read? Well, it's a very timely question, because I just had book club last night, and we talked about 2 books. One is called James, which is like the yeah, kind of Huck fin, but took it from the perspective of the slave.

[21:16] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and it was really good, and it just recently won the Pulitzer prize for literature for 2025. So highly recommend it. And then we read this book called Playground, which is about 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: AI and French Polynesia. And it was 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: yeah. So it was. It was good, like a non fiction. No, it was actually fiction. So huh! Who's the author of James 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: ever? That sounds right? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So thank you. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Let's finish the day the world came to town. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Is it? Good? Yes, very good. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It's not about

[22:02] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: After 9, 9, 11, when all the planes had to at the land. What's it called the day the World, the World. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and how the this little small town like hosted all these planes and all these people. It was really there were some very comparable things in there, but it was. It was a it was really good. So nonfiction. It's not fiction 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: that's made into a plate, wasn't. It sounds great. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I read all the beauty in the world which is a memoir of a museum guard at the Metropolitan Museum. It's pretty good, I volunteered the Denver Art Museum, and I was there yesterday. I asked all the guards if they read it. They said they bought one copy and then pass it around the whole staff. And one comment, I got like a lot of different comments. One guy said, it's basically a bathroom read. I guess I was more impressed as you were.

[23:06] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: My question is, have you lived abroad? Answer is, no. But 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: 1984. I actually took an event sabbatical and rode my bike across Europe for 4 months, which is fantastic. And I didn't want to leave, but I did. So. That's why I'm here went to. I think 7 countries, including Yugoslavia, which no longer exists. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Did you plot? Did you plot it all out, or did you just like I started to? I had this high school guidebook. You know, it's like you didn't have Google Maps. And after a week I realized the book really was a bad book. It didn't didn't have good routes or destinations. So Mary just winged it, bought these giant maps, and plot it out day to day. It's really fun. It's great.

[24:01] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Were you on your own, or were you with somebody? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It costs like $25 a day. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Did you sleep in a tent or hostels, or mostly hostels. But tents he owns for like $8 a night. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Mostly I like staying in the city center. So I'd say, the pentium. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I would say, that's living abroad. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah. And back in those days you couldn't like text people at home, either. They thought you were dead. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: What is your favorite way to escape and refresh. I like to snowboard so, or it serves 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: working for yourself, or I have a partner, but not having a boss is that if you're not having a busy day. It's pretty easy to hop up. Tell Dora, and get in a few laps. So

[25:05] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: that's that's my jam. So unlike some people here. I'm actually a little disappointed to see the warm weather. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Am IA morning person or a night person? I'm most definitely a morning person. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: 3 and 5 in the morning. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I love. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I grew up with my grandma, and she was a really early riser and working as a janitor, getting up really early. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It's just I just love it. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It's quiet. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So are we keeping you up here? But speak softly.

[26:00] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So funny. I don't think of myself as either a morning or a night. I'm like, an 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'm like a middle person. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I don't like that. 5 5 Am. Anything before 5 Am. Is in the middle of the night for me. That's too early. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Pretty much anything past like 10 is also the middle of the night, middle middle. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It must try it around 10 Am. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Done by like 9 PM. That's good. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: That prompt reminds me of a joke. If someone asks you if you're a dog person, a cat, person or a snake person. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: That person's a snake person not supposed to give it away. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Do you prefer coffee or tea? I am unable to drink coffee, despite the fact that I love it so. I specialize in

[27:02] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: tea that tastes like coffee. I have. I have a whole library of different options that I enjoy. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: There's well teaching, is it? Is that the probably the most widely recognized brand? But there's something called dandy blend. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Celestial seasonings has roast aroma. There's a there's a have a French chicory root that comes from. I can't remember the brand of it. And then nude foods has a has a version of this. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and so I generally brew one of 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: one of them, and then put a scoop of dandy blend on top of it and top it off with oat milk. And it's 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: have you tried the mushroom version? Yeah, some some of the other bribes. There's there's 1 cup. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, like, it's a little. It's a little more work. It's like a little like more challenging. But it's 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: it's still good. I like it as good as coffee.

[28:00] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you know it's it's better it likes me more. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Cop. Who's coffee? Just curious. What's that? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Just wondering who was a coffee person versus who was a tea person. So I took a barista class, and it was a 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you get to make the when did you do that? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I drink instant coffee like twice a day. I've been doing that for 15 years. You're off the board, my parents, my parents always tell me whenever I talk they're like you are so pulse. I think it's disgusting that I do that, my friends. I show up camping. They're like, why do you have such a large container? I just brought 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: what brand is a coffee I actually get. I nest cafe is okay. But there's

[29:04] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It's that yellow container they make espresso, too. I don't know the name of it. It's like a kind of a it's like a dollar more, but I don't know. I like. I like coffee for the medicinal effect, and I just poured in. Add the powder, and then add a little more hot water and coffee's ready 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: luxury. Coffee maker market is wasted on you 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: alright! What show are you currently binge watching 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: part of the Star Wars? It's the only Disney plus Star wars that's worth watching. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But I'm watching it with my son so good.

[30:05] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Who inspires you? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I don't have like a specific person. More. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Anybody that I run across any individual that's fighting for something that they believe deep down. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: That benefits the world as a as a whole. Fabulous answer. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Cool thanks for playing. May you use them in good help again. Now back to business program. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Anytime it shows I'll get my screen.

[31:07] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: A few of us are getting cookies. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Cookies were my cookies generally burning. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It's so funny. Notice. I have like 16 things open and ask me what screen and what 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I like it, that it does that. Now I think that was a Covid feature that got added, because I think too many people. How do I get rid of the little stuff about 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: from the zoom on here. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Oh, you guys don't see it right? So you'll just want to hit your presentation. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yes, okay, I'm really still getting stuff. Oh, there we go.

[32:02] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: There's 3 cookies left, and I took one. Does anybody want to throw this plenty for me? Thank you. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: There's good this with somebody, if there's not enough. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Alright. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Thank you. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Housing Advisory Board for having me. I'm chatty, but I'll try and not be as chatty as I should be. But Jay told me that this gets to be my my draft run my beta test of this presentation. As it is a council priority, it next goes to council, so I invite you to critique it, ask questions. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Just help me make it better, and I appreciate you for having me here tonight. So I'm Molly Tayer, and I am a senior housing policy project manager and I got to come back to work with Jay in December of 2023. I use the term come back to work in that I,

[33:04] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: as Michael knows, I I worked at the city in the 19 nineties. In the early 19 nineties I was the 1st neighborhood liaison for the city of Boulder and loved that role and loved getting to know the neighborhoods of Boulder. If anybody wants to do a walk any day. I can show you alleys. I can play zip code person with you, I can tell you who lived where you know and what was going at their houses. So it was a marvelous way to really get to know what is now my city. I 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: got into housing in about 2015. After doing, I did community development for the city of Santa Fe. After college came here. Worked on community development, conflict, resolution and facilitation and then I went off and did a lot of freelance things and taught at Cu Denver and 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: just had a really good time not really good for anybody wants to retire. But it was really a good time in my career. I learned a lot and a lot of things to do. But then, in 2015, I was invited to be the facilitator for or put on. Actually, I had to plan the whole thing. The yes, in my backyard conference. It was the very 1st time in the United States we hosted this conversation. It was a little bit of the Brainchild of the then

[34:23] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Board of Realtors director here. Ken Hotard. If anyone remembers that name and Will Tour will tour who was our county commissioner, Mayor. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: goes way back because they were. They were opining at that time reading the writing on the wall. That housing is the biggest challenge for cities going forward, and when you listen to the people who come together as Yimbi. We had people from Europe and Australia, and 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you know all all areas of the United States. Here you begin to feel a sense that or I begin to feel, speak for me. I began to feel that that if we don't solve this problem our cities are going to be pretty rugged places

[35:04] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: in the next 20 or 50 years, and I think people are starting to feel that desperation in different ways. You know, people who feel like they've lost something in their neighborhood all the things that we worry about versus looking forward to 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: to that end. I want to recommend abundance for everybody so 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: as a book to read. So anyway, I just picked up on housing, and from there I've spent the past 10 years getting to know this and making it a subject that I absolutely love love working on housing. So 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the manufactured housing strategy comes to me. When I started this role I stepped into the role that crystal wander worked in. Did anyone did any of you work with crystal and the 1st line of business was to really get to know the project at Ponderosa, the Ponderosa stabilization, and I add the word to it redevelopment project, because 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: that is also a piece of what we're doing with our investment there. And it it's it's

[36:07] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: it's pretty amazing to see what the city of Boulder is doing with regard to targeted investment and thinking very, very strategically about how we can advance and preserve a manufactured housing community 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and how we can transition the housing type and make a big big difference for a lot of people's lives, and and begin to think again. Forward looking, what will the housing type like. So I come to this with not a lot of experience around 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: mobile homes and manufactured housing. But I'll unpack with you a little bit of what I've learned from doing a bit of a review and also just getting to know Boulder through through this. This product 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: told you I'm chatty. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So the Council priority itself. Was raised by council in there. I think it was late. March 2024, yeah. End of March 2024. They had their retreat and they put together. I want to say it's like 13 priorities were identified in that. And they the question was, raised by 2 of our council members, including Mayor

[37:20] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: that we had a commitment. We had a verbal commitment. We had a written commitment to begin work or take time at some point to go work with the park owners in Boulder, the Mobile Home parks and explore the opportunity to partner with them and see if there was a way to advance. Maybe we would design a Grant program. We would go after joint funding, find a way to help, strengthen infrastructure 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and make sure that they had the right utility systems in place, and that that the the basic foundation of these parks would be would be sold, and if so, might they consider a restriction in raising rents? Might they consider some sort of a an in lieu exchange for us to

[38:09] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: create some more affordability. And so that was kind of the goal that was articulated by council at that time. Our staff with Kurt's leadership, Kurt Fernhuber, our director, said. You know we also would need to review what happened with it. Where are we with the manufactured housing strategy? And so I'm going to work on that, and I will be working a little bit longer and 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: enjoy sharing it with you. So we're reviewing the section accomplishments to date. I will try and rattle through some of those, and we're we are exploring the potential to work with our our private parks and see if they want to partner with us 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: in the Boulder Valley Comp. Plan, you find 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: policy 709 for those of you who've been on planning board or have worked on this area before. And this is where we, as a city, call out our commitment to support and preserve manufactured housing and mobile home parks. I want to make a distinction at this point that we use. I

[39:09] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: tend to use the terms a little bit interchangeably. Technically speaking, a mobile home is a home that was manufactured before 1976. And so in the literature people use the term mobile home primarily to describe that type of home that existing home today, and then a manufactured home 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: is what you call that same product, a mobile home that was manufactured after 1976 and came into use then, I think, and I've got more learning to do in this. I think it has something to do with HUD Regs, because in my previous work at the city of Westminster. I was not allowed to use any Federal funding on any homes that were built Pre. 1976. I think there was a standard put in place 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: about the type of product. It is the way that the house was constructed that points at that. But but we use the you hear manufactured housing, park, mobile, Home park.

[40:08] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: mobile, home manufactured home. Kind of it's kind of fuzzy out there in the world, but there is that little interesting distinction about the product. We also call it a trailer park. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: so call them a trailer park, a trailer park, because, historically, that was, that was also a term that described the product. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah. The mobile home communities in boulder as looked at in 2019, have this makeup. And this is kind of the introduction to some of the considerations and concerns globally of what it is as a housing product in our communities. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: as you can see the top line. Pre, there's Pre, 1976, the distinction I was just talking you through which is a greater than 50 years old for those of us who are greater than 50 years old. At least 37% of the homes in our mobile home communities are of that age.

[41:07] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and then the next one down, made between 76 and 95, 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you got another 29%. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So we've got 2 thirds of the housing stock in the manufactured housing communities in Boulder is really old 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and then you have some of the newer ones. But it's less than 30%. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So that's the makeup. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I wanted to take us back in history a little bit, because this has also been a really fun part of getting to know these communities. And getting to know the housing type. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So the mobile home parks in boulder that we see in the land use as the city is growing, and as it's settling, have been around since at least 1950 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: before that they were motor parks and trailer parks, and there was evidence in one of the files that said that there was a veterans camp. So basically, there was a set aside park or just land that was allowed, and people who were veterans were allowed to pull in and and stay there.

[42:15] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I don't think that they were set up for really long term living at that age. So one of the questions I have going forward is a little bit about. When did motor home? Motor parks become mobile home parks and were people longtime residents when people come for jobs that are really stay. You know, there's some information about the the origins that I do not know. So in 54 I read in the in the paddock files that Mapleton Mobile Home Park was built. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Is that correct? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: In 1958? You know the aerial photography on the far right corner we see the 1st little remnants of Ponderosa showing up out there. Few of the homes parked around a small building, and then 60. We see orchard grove, the bottom corner

[43:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: to the left. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So for for note, I would offer that mobile home communities of Boulder are older than many of the neighborhoods of Boulder. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: These folks have been here this, this, this land use. This housing community type was here before our neighborhoods were here 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: in 1970. Boulder, mobile village. Now Boulder meadows opens up. They had a grand opening on May 17.th They had colorful balloons, and all the things you can imagine. In the 19 seventies being put out to draw people in. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: The the factoid that comes to me in this piece of the reading is that in 19, in the 19 seventies, one in 4 homes in the United States was a manufactured home. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: They were being made so fast. The factories were up and running, and the need for people to figure out where they were going to go to work and how they were going to be able to support themselves. Was was pretty

[44:06] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: forefront. What happens also, says the person who facilitated a Ymby Conference is, we see the 1st time where cities, city planners, city developers and people living in neighborhoods reject the ability for parks to come into the cities. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And so what you do, the pattern begins that you see these parks being 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: constructed and set up on the edges in the urban zones outside of the actually incorporated cities. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And then we get to the eighties at which time city of boulder, and I can't. I was not here, but, you know, beginning, if you think about city of Boulder. From our other history lessons we learn some of my early lessons came from serving on the Plan boulder board, and being a part of obviously every neighborhood group I ever talked to.

[45:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: We we were pretty progressive we still are, but we were pretty progressive about the fact that these are neighbors homes, and we want to make sure that that they're safe, secure and offering our residents what they what they need. So we begin to see a lot of activity with regard to 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: rules and legislation to support manufactured housing as a housing type. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It becomes us land use in boulder. It's and it's listed in the Comp plan, which you also saw the 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: other language earlier in 2013. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Everybody does. There was a flood. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Anybody not here in 2013. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Where were you all here for? 2013? Okay, this is what the northern road into ponder Russell. Look like that's that's Formal Creek right over there on the on the right. And it was, as you imagine, pretty impactful on all of our manufactured housing. Since you see, down in South Boulder Creek was an island trying to bail themselves out

[46:13] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And that also inspired some additional change and investments here. So in 2014, at the end of this flood, when the water recedes and the mud dries a bit, the owner came to the city of Boulder in search of some funding, because the sewer system and all of the underground infrastructure was destroyed. From this 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: In 2017. The city purchases ponderosa from the family who owned the property at that time, and in part we were doing that. I you know I can't speak to the vision of my colleagues at that time. But you know again, it was 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: a very important piece of housing that we wanted to preserve. Obviously, from that instinct to do that, but it also was facilitated by the fact that when you have a natural disaster like this, the opportunity for Federal dollars is

[47:06] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: intensified. So the land that actually purchased ponderosa is known as the Cdbgdr community development block rent. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: disaster, relief funding, and that was the money used to actually purchase the property in 2018. No piece of just guidance coming into our planning documentation, we have an ordinance that defines nonconforming uses, and that's also used to help us strengthen the supports and what we can do to help our mobile home parks, because at this point they're pretty much a nonconforming use. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and then, as I will talk to in a little bit, we get into a lot of State legislation, activity 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: boulder enjoys, or Colorado rather enjoys the fact that again, pretty progressive leadership, pretty interested in looking at quality of life issues and housing needs and so our State legislature and our communities have been pretty robust in pushing legislation.

[48:04] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So when the strategy was begun by Crystal was crystal, this prime staff on it, or was pretty much a staff team or, yeah, she used what? What we're set up as her guiding principles, or the guiding principles for the 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: product and what she has put into it is these 4 areas of interest? These are the whys, if you will. So we want the actions, the tasks, and the strategy to be accountable. We want to see accountability into it, and the language used was, 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: that the agreements and ordinances requirements would have clearly defined practical enforcement mechanisms that were accessible to all affected parties, and especially the residents of our manufactured housing communities. She wanted it to also speak to affordability and protect affordability. So manufactured housing will continue to serve as an affordable market rate. Home ownership. Opportunity

[49:04] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: programs and policies will be pursued to stabilize rent increases, reduce costs for home repairs, reduce home replacement costs, reduce energy and water costs and consumption by households in manufactured housing communities. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: The 3rd was community 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: strengthening community and manufacturing housing continues to meet the needs of diverse populations, especially vulnerable community members, programs and resources employed to support the needs of our residents and finally, viability 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: that the existing and any new manufacturing homes, and the communities in which they're located will be safe, well maintained and modernized, especially as the homes become more energy efficient both for-profit and nonprofit communities will be able to perform well enough to cover current and capital expenses and provide a reasonable return on investment.

[50:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So again, she's tipping the hat to private investment, private owned communities, and then some not for profits. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: The ownership of our parks in boulder and around the edges of boulder are a little bit. Mixed up in that. We have 2 parks not mixed up. But there, there's some differences. We have 2 parks that are not 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: privately held for profit developers. So we have the Mableton Mobile home community, which was also a property that benefited from the flood. A lot of infrastructure was replaced, and a lot of grant money brought in to bear there. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It's also because of its proximity to, I want to say, that's is that goose or Elmers. It's goose. Yeah, because of goose. They also had flood impacts and did some flood mitigation work for the long term safety of the community. And then, of course, Ponderosa had a flood access, and so Ponderosa is owned by the city. Mapleton is actually held by thistle community housing

[51:11] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and it's been explored for the use of becoming a resident owned community, you know, allowing the the folks to own their own property. San Suu Sea, the property south of town on the county level is the only rock 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: in this part of Colorado, and Rock is resident own community. It's a program that was started. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: This thing really doesn't want me to use this. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Can I just say that that fence right? There is Mapleton, our northern border, and one of our residents. Artists painted that with a with an art grant from the city of Boulder, and with that money he was able to go from renting a room in a mobile home part in the mobile home to actually buying the mobile phone. Is that fabulous? I love that.

[52:04] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah. So anyway, we have a couple that are private or a couple that are publicly owned. Rock is a program that was started. I want to say that the fund was originally set up in the 19 nineties. But I might be wrong. It was started in Indiana. It's a family foundation. There was a gentleman who was really interested in empowering people who lived in mobile home communities to buy the land and become 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: self-directed entities. And the one you're talking about is that that's that's off the the frontage road on South Boulder Road. As you leave town on the on the east side, west side. So it's further down towards yeah. It's down right on the. It's right on South Boulder Creek, yeah. And on the east side is a little teeny park called Table Mesa. It's named after the neighborhood. For some reason. This. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: This reminds me that one of the things I also wanted to talk about with regard to timeline and the strategy, and where we are. The prioritization of the needs for infrastructure primarily come at the city because of some of our nearby neighbors in the county, the county mobile home communities. You have when you, when you drive around the city and you look at them, and if you don't know your city boundaries, you, how would you know what's in and out of the city right?

[53:14] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So on the end of Belmont, all the way out, just past the Post office is a park called San Lazaro San Lazaro. I just want to say the 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: exit accent. The A's differently, and that community is at the county. It's not part of the city of boulder. It's right on the edge. There's another place, a little little teeny, tiny park called Columbine, and that is on Arapahoe, right off of 60th 63rd area that is in the county. It is not part of the city. So we have this issue. We have always had this issue. As long as I worked here with county enclaves, little bits and pieces of of 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: property inside what feels like our jurisdiction, but that have not been annexed in, and they still exist as county resource. Is there a map anywhere in your slides that shows the city and the county, and sort of

[54:08] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: puts dots about where mobile home parks are, because I just think that would be very. I should have brought prizes. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: You want these suggestions. I think a map would be very much the good visual, I should have brought prices. I probably have some in my car. Another thing you could add is, when we had our racial equity training. They put up a map of boulder based on census data. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and they had. It was like all the Hispanic communities are yellow, and it kind of aligns with all the mobile home parks. And I think it impresses upon people, you know, who is living in these communities. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And I think that's important, you know, for people to understand coming up. Yeah, thank you both so much. You know, I didn't get your 1st name Chip, Chip. I see it. Okay.

[55:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So that is the why I want to move us over now to the how. And so one of the things that I did when I started going through the action items listed in the plan that was adopted in 20 was 1st adopted in 2019, and then it was updated during the pandemic, you know, getting a little bit more information given 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: where we were, and how hard it was to survey, but support work put into it. In 2022. In March the council again took a look at everything, and the final action plan was adopted. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I wanted to break, walk us through it from the standpoint of the legislation, as I've mentioned in the 19 eighties and nineties, legislation took up, and then, more recently, in the twenties Resident Support. One of the things that we read front and center is that the city cares about the residents, the people who make mobile home communities their home

[56:00] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: human rights and code enforcement support a little bit about the staffing that goes into community needs. And then collaboration with the property owners, and that points at our desire to see who would want to. Maybe partner with the city on future investments. We help them if they would like to help us think about affordability long term and preserving it at different levels. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So starting with legislation I did a quick search of everything past since 2019. Starting from the implementation of this strategy and came up with 8 or 9 or 10 pieces of legislation. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I don't wanna spend a lot of time. I don't want to read it to you. But I want to talk a little bit about some of the things that is really impactful. Obviously, we have in in 2019, a dispute resolution 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and enforcement program. And so what this does is require that landlords we're starting to see a push toward landlords to focus a little bit more differently on their role, with property, management and health and safety, and just the condition for communication and information for the residents.

[57:12] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Then the the big one that I remember cheering for was 2012 0 1 when that was the 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: law that requires that. The if a landlord is going to. If a property owner rather is going to sell a mobile home park, they create sort of a 1st right of refusal for the for the people who live there, and there's a set of instructions that requires that they publicize, that they're the park is for sale. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and they allow a certain amount of time for the residents to find out if they can create a co-OP, organize and get a loan, do whatever structuring and organization. They would like to to actually purchase the park.

[58:00] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And we have. I wanna say we have maybe 7 rocks in Colorado might be a little bit off, Cynthia. Do you know the answer to that one? Yeah. So we have. We have a quite a few here. Some of them are doing well. Some of them are 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: not as doing as well. It's it's a challenging, challenging thing to do. You're taking a group of people who are neighbors and have varying levels of commitment in sort of their neighborhood different levels of income and life skills to work with. And you're asking them to go out and take out a 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: 6 6 million dollar loan together. And so it takes a lot of organizing and thinking. There's a gentleman who works for the county. His name is Andy Cadlek, and Andy was the head of Rock for us for some time in Boulder, and his stories are amazing, and his ability to help people coalesce and learn what they need to learn and 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: get get their financing together is pretty amazing as well.

[59:04] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Other instructions coming out of the legislation or things like oftentimes communication. You're really strengthening what is required from the the property owner to inform the residents, and recently we ended up with a requirement that everything be in a person's language, and if it's not Spanish, they can request it. You know, if you have a Hmong community, they can make a request to make sure that information is provided in their language. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: There is various notices for changes. To rules and regulations. You must promulgate it for a certain amount of days. I think it's a month. Anytime you're making a rule. Change 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: water quality was critical in terms of again, we're dealing with a lot of parks that were built on or are on some aging infrastructure, and so making sure that if there's any problem with the water

[60:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you provide water. If there's a water shut up that is taken care of. This specifically 1257 speaks to the fact that the they wanted to make sure that the water is being tested. A lot of the parks that are not on city water inside of the city are on wells, and a lot of those wells are failing. So their savings going out this year and last year, and they've been doing a lot of testing. They have a dashboard up that you can actually go to 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: to look at the status of what's coming up in the test, and if they find that the water isn't of good enough quality who's financially obligated to fix it. The property owner. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: one of the things we've seen the in the rock world. When people have bought a property, there's there's a couple of really big examples of this one was in, I want to say. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: not Crested Butte, but further south.

[61:00] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Gunnison. Yeah, maybe done. Gunnison. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: You've you've got a landlord or property owner sells rocks. The park says we're going to sell it. We'll sell it to the residents. Here's the deal, works with them, works with them, works with them. You get to the other end. You find out there is no? Well anymore. There's there's now a 15 million dollar investment needed in this property. So there's a lot of of 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: emergent information with regard to the lawyers who've been involved and the instructions around it. When you are going to sell a property, what is the due diligence and what is required to be disclosed? Yeah. So be mindful of that. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So great legislation. We have been very involved in it. Our city's lobbyists and some of the community members from the mobile home communities have been very active in advocating speaking for writing letters of support, and participating in some of the legislation that now works on. From this standpoint. The thing to remember about this or to think about is

[62:05] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Colorado has what is known as the Mobile Home Park Act, and it's under title 38, and it is about property. It's about property rights. So the Mobile Home Act actually emerges from property rights law, you know, and what the person who sets up a mobile home. Park is allowed to do so. Now you're seeing this kind of codification and stratation of 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: yes, you are the property owner, and you have all these rights, but you also have these obligations, you know, and you are providing housing. And it's not just a business. It's not just a real estate gig. It is 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: a community. And so it's really nice to see the shape of some of this legislation and what it affords. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'll just note. With this, this legislation can be helpful, but I think it's only helpful to the extent that the Mobile Home Park owners have a lawyer.

[63:00] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It's it's very technical in boulder they do, but in most places they do not. And there's a handful of law firms in Colorado that specialize in evicting people for mobile home parks, and the disparity between the Mobile Home Park and the people who are being evicted is significant. And these laws are not super user, friendly, and they change every year, and I think it really requires an attorney to get involved in order for the 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the homeowner to see the benefit of those laws. I think that's a great point. Thanks so much. I think it'd be really nice. I you know. I don't know what other jurisdictions, you know. Besides, Boulder have the resources to do a little bit of a workshop training for the property owners as well. Just to give them that. I've talked with both our attorneys, the private attorney, who now represents our private mobile home, parks, present and past, and have heard a lot about the the 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: education and the advocacy and the work they try and do to get the law in front of people, their owners and help them understand it all. It's it is. It's a it's pretty complex, and it is. It is an ever changing environment.

[64:09] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: You know, these, all of these add on to the Mobile Home Park more, more obligations, more responsibilities for the owner. A large portion of mobile Home Park owners, I think, especially ones facing eviction, are not fluent in English. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So again. You've got all these great laws technical laws. The General Assembly is written, and many of these people can't even read them. Thank you. I was. I was thinking you were speaking to the private park owner. No, I'm referring to mobile home owner. So the tenants. They're also tenants, because the defining feature you spoke earlier, mobile home manufacturer, referring to the actual like structure. But the defining feature of a mobile home park is that the person who lives in the unit 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: either doesn't own the land beneath them. They are tenants. They often do own the unit, and they own that, and it might be their most valuable asset, but they still have to pay rent every single month, and if they something happens and they fall behind on rent, they run the risk of losing their home. As you mentioned, most of these homes are built before 1980.

[65:19] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: The law contemplates that you can pick up, you know. If you get evicted, you can take your mobile home with you to a new park, except no new park will accept a mobile home built before 1980, and the majority of these homes are for 1980. So it's essentially you lose your home if you can't pay your rent, which isn't too different from a foreclosure. If you're a homeowner with a mortgage, except the bank doesn't have all these people living and breathing down your neck and policing what's going on. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and foreclosure is a much longer process, with opportunities to cure, whereas, you know you fall one month behind on your rent, you could very well lose your home within 14 days.

[66:02] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah, that is, it's it. It is the I'm again still trying to get my head around how this housing type works. I'm just learning it. The fact that everyone who 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: owns a mobile home considers themselves a homeowner 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and has a certain level of investiture and pride in that. But they're still paying rent to and live in land tenancy. Well, the law refers to them as owners. It's the term. Yeah, Cynthia, I was just gonna say, like, I don't know what other mobile phone parks, you know. Consider for rent, but for Mapleton the rent covers the water. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: it covers the sewage it covers, you know, snow removal. It covers a tree care so no resident has to incur the cost of, you know, removing branches from the tree after snow. It covers you know our laundry room. It covers maintenance of our grounds. Covers our infrastructure. Our lighting our, you know our infrastructure. And

[67:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: so 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you know it can cover, you know, for those things, but if you do fall behind, you know it's you know we have, you know, sort of main loans, you know, in place and everything. But you know you can't even, you know, for for a home an older home it's no longer you're no longer able to, you know. Pull it out. You know we have, you know. People who are replacing them have to have them demolished in place. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: On site. Yep, because you can't, you can't move them 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and so and if you happen to have a loan for a personal loan, or you know that, you know 1623% interest, you know, if you bought something like that and you get evicted, and if you can't sell it, because 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: then you're stuck with the loan without a home. Yeah, no, it is. It's extremely complicated. It's 1 of the most very serious.

[68:01] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: thank you for that. Talking about the law after the legislation, thinking about all of the things that we have done under the strategy, and as a community that cares about this housing type. And, you know, advocating through the State law, which is the main authority over mobile home communities and the mobile home type. We come to resident support 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: a big portion of the work under the strategy is supporting the residents in the communities 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: we have, the city city facilitates and helps host. A group called the boulder. Mobile home. No wait. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Coalition of mobile home owners in Boulder. It's called Cmo. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And Cmo. Is a regular meeting body. It's been going on probably, since the pandemic of people who live in the communities and and have an interest in working with the city and working to learn more about grants and helping their helping their neighbors. Social services, education programs for kids, property taxes, property taxes.

[69:17] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Which is also on our website, is one of the things that was inspired by Cm up to make sure we publish. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: anyway, it's a it's a great organization. It's a great piece of citizen advocacy. From there. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: We have also inside of our community engagement department of the city which houses neighborhood relations, that old neighborhood, some Japanese there now. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and all of the outreach that we also help steward for residents of Boulder, all types of residents of boulder. We have grant programs. So we also have a special Grant program for community building in the manufactured housing communities. We have a website put up by Edgaria, who is our current neighborhood liaison for all of the neighborhood, the Mobile home and manufactured home residents.

[70:12] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: trying to think if there's anything else on there. Oh, we had some emergency responders who were brought in and trained during covid, and those individuals helped connect their neighbors into resources as well. They serve as neighborhood navigators, and they serve as navigators to local government and local social service resources. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: We have a department in the city that is known as climate now, but I keep hearing it called sustainability. Was it called sustainability at 1 point in time, before it was called climate. Yeah. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah. So it's Jonathan Cohen. It's it's the group that does a lot of climate action, and obviously wins towards sustainable practices and encourages this, and they have started some new grants for the manufactured housing. So we have some grant monies that come out to serve this audience specific to some of the climate action. We had the windstorms thinking back a few years back, huge windstorms, disaster monies were brought out to support

[71:12] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: all sorts of needs around the city from the impacts and the damages, and some of the monies went specifically to help the manufactured housing facilities. We used to have a home repair grant of up to $10,000. I think we're working right now to refund that. So I don't have. I don't have a status on that right now. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: we have a furnace replacement. It's not really us. It's through a program called Cares. It's kind of a State grant, but it runs through the counties and our county and our climate. Grant staff would help any of our residents apply for that I was just going to say about those programs if they go in and they see a home. And they said, You know, they said, the home isn't worth it.

[72:00] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you know, it's a 1967 or 1964, 19, you know. 69. Then, you know, you know, this this home is, is not worth the repairs. Then they'll deny the repairs. They can also go in, you know, if they're inspecting a home for this kind of a weatherization or or a cares program, or even the the wind damage program. And they can say, You know, we're going to condemn this property actually. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And then. So some people I I know in Mapleton are a little hesitant to to call for these programs because they're worried that their home is going to be condemned. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And if it's condemned, are they given any compensation for it? Or they just like, you gotta move out. You gotta move out. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And they put a note on the door. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: They they're not we. We hired one of our residents with a severe disability. Thank God, she has. Section 8

[73:04] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: voucher, and she was able to get into another. But they went in and they took over. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: This is a big fear I have about the Government getting more involved with our mobile home parks. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: In part, because the mobile home parks in Boulder are the only 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: free market affordable housing that's left, and there are certain people that cannot or will not go to the government to live in government run housing. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Perhaps it's because of their immigration status. Perhaps it's because they have a criminal history, or perhaps because they have a large family, and the government's going to say, Oh, if you want to be in an apartment with Bhp, you need this number of bedrooms, and that's going to cost you thousands of dollars, and they can say, Well, I can live in a mobile home. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and I I think we as much as it's not the most perfect system. And I think our our government wants to do a lot of good. I think there's certain demographics that

[74:06] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: wouldn't be able to live in affordable housing that's run by the city of Boulder, and they would be pushed out of our community if 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: our mobile home parks are run by the government. So that's that's always a concern I have. I see, both sides of the coin improving conditions for people, but then also pushing people out at the same time. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I am so coming back to this group because I've got so much to learn. This is so fabulous. Yeah, I feel the same way on on much of this chip. I'm I'm in the process right now, working with my colleagues to apply for some of the prop. 1, 23. Money proposition 123. We all voted for it in 2022. Is it? 23 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: something like that. Yeah, anyway, there's a pretty hefty, affordable housing trust fund that's being built by the State from a voter led proposition a couple years back, and they have a fund underneath it that is, for replacement housing. It's for rehabilitation. But inside of the legislation the actual handwritten. Here's what they said they wanted to do it says it could be used to replace mobile homes.

[75:14] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and so we put in an application to see if we can get it to help out. And so if you wrote me a letter of support for it, yeah. And and so. But every time I look at how do you do it. You know, you get this. You get a grant. And you start working with the communities to say, Here's here's I'm going to be able to help the person with the 1965 home. And here's how 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you do risk if we got in there. And somebody did the inspection and said, oh, this house is not replaceable, and they didn't qualify for the money. I've just made somebody homeless. It speaks to exactly what you're saying. We've been talking about that about the home replacement and that opportunity because we have people whose homes would be condemned. And so, you know, you can't open.

[76:00] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: You want to do a good thing to help your neighbors, especially on the board of the Maples Mobile Home Park. But you also don't want 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the displacement, you know, because we have folks who don't have other family members. We have folks who wouldn't qualify for assisted living. We have folks who we have very, very low income and very people who are very challenged in finding places to live. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And and it's difficult, you know. How how do we, you know, get a loan to purchase a home to replace it for a person for a senior, you know, who's 86 years old. Do we do a reverse mortgage like it just gets. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And then we go back thinking, you know, how could we ever become a rock community? You know we're barely. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you know, able to manage. You know, some of our our senior situations, you know, as a community you know, we definitely need partnerships and and everything and and people to help us, you know, with these loans and trying to think through these problems. Because it's very. It's it's it, is it? Is it? But what both of you both have illustrated in your commentary is that we're we've got neighborhoods that are of profound vulnerability. Really, old people, I mean. I

[77:22] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: say, they're all really old, but I mean you've got. You've got a aging population who've been there for years. We have, we have, I also, as you know, run Ponderosa, Mobile Home Park. I have residents who I had one die in December he grew up. There, lived his whole life in that park. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah, we have neighbors who, you know, pass away in their homes. We just lost one a few weeks ago. And you know, then we end up with, okay, well, it's it's owner occupied. And so now a family has it. Who wouldn't income asset qualify for that particular home. So they're going to have to sell it. But you can't sell like, how do you sell in 1972, you know, for anything. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It it's it's very frequently see a lot of people who own a mobile home don't actually have the title. They're not the registered owner with the Dmv. And then, when they sort of get in the legal system. They're like, Oh, we want to see title. What's your social security number? And it was a cash transaction. They've been living there for 5 years.

[78:22] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and there I I feel like this is a way of life for a lot of people, and this is how they. This is the only way they can afford to live in. Boulder is in these communities, and then rich white people come in and start imposing different legal standards and all that stuff. And it just doesn't mesh with the practical reality, I think, for a lot of 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the people who live there. That's sort of been my observation. It's an interesting area of study. And but it's also again extremely vulnerable part of our community. And this problem has been compounding since the seventies and eighties and the resources to deal with are going to be significant.

[79:05] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: The 3rd issue that I identified as sort of a looking holistically at our action plan is staff support from human rights and code enforcement, not to call them out as the only people who are working on this. Everybody at the city and all of our departments are contributing. But recently I'll tell you a little bit about the story of Orchard Grove 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: we had a lot of staff hours going into support in the parks. But basically we have our mediation and do landlord tenant. And so we have people who go right out and spend time with people who are threatening being threatened with eviction. So we have resources that help in that regard. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: People don't know. As you point out, they don't know to call the City of border. For these services. More frequently we get connected up by Efa or Catholic charities, or one of the school groups that understands what resources may help a family. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: We also, when you want to sell a mobile home, we'd have to go through an inspection process. So part of that is performed by our code Enforcement inspectors. And then my last bullet. Here.

[80:12] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: in 2023, it was discovered that a number of the homes in Orchard Grove were failing and noncompliant, and the term of art is red tagged. Meaning that they could. They were being condemned in the standard language and 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: when our staff responded to this. They started interviewing all of the families, you know. That's quite a number of people to have become homeless pretty quickly in boulder right and the interview process uncovered, that people 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: were told by a person who worked for the company that they could make repairs or remodel their homes so long and without a permit, so long as they did it on evenings and weekends, you know, just kind of telling the story from their standpoint, of why their home was now

[81:01] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: completely ready to be demolished. And so our staff has been hand in hand with that group of people, and pulling together resources across all of the Grant programs to support people I think out of, I want to say, 34 homes that had this, they were able to get repair grants 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and bring all but 8 back into compliance. And the other families are kind of doubled up. And with other people right now, we're trying to solve for the final 8. But when when we do have an issue in the park, the city 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: provides resources from all spectra to come in and provide the support we can to help the families and make sure things are cared for, to preserve what we can, and to make sure people are stable. So I have a question. The cost to build a new 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: affordable housing 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: apartment can be somewhere around $500,000 a door. Correct. Wh- what is the cost to buy a used

[82:08] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: manufactured home that that, and a new manufactured home so like, if some of these units are like, can't really be repaired. And we wanted to make an effort to replace the the one that's being condemned with something else. What's basically the cost of a used, or a new home that would be in compliance. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: My experience here again is still shallow, but there are a lot of good used ones around but there, when you can find them, they run from about 120 to 100 250. Okay, but we actually have with this grant this 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: prop. 1, 2, 3 crystal did some preliminary research and spoke with a couple of the mobile home manufacturers in the area. And we have a quote that if we get the grant, we're going to be able to buy all electric high energy efficiency gold standard as much as gold standard will still be around

[83:11] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: homes for a and have them installed and put in for about 120,000. Wow! And that's up to. Those are new, brand new, and what and what are the costs that we're building on a wrap up 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: my my mobile home through the flood. Recovery came in about 42,000, and I have a 700 square foot, 2 2 bedroom. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But you know, gas stove that kind of thing. It's not ultra efficient and everything. But it was a $42,000 home. It was about 15,000 to pull it out and install it together was about 15,000 to do that. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: That was 2018. And why do you think 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the ones you're buying are so much less than the ones we're building?

[84:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Well, I have theories. I don't have any true answers. I would. We're just getting started. And so our our on ramp costs are a little higher right now than they probably will be in the future. So are the units they're building at Ponderosa are those actually like mobile homes, or they just manufactured house. They're fixed foundation. They're modular. So there's no difference between modular and escape. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Other than it's built in the factory, right? So those that's not Ponderosa is no longer a mobile. Yes, it is 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Mobile Home Park Act, 1980. It's until you have less than 5 homes on a parcel that was established as a mobile home Park. You are a mobile Home Park. But how do you, if you're evicting someone, how do they take their house with them? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Because that's what the Mobile Home Park at contemplates. If you get evicted, you can take your house with you. Airport is just. It'll remain a Mobile home park until 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: more than or 95% of the homes are replaced with fixed foundation. Right? Okay? So we're phasing it from, it's no longer going to be Mobile Home Park over time. It'll be an hoa where they'll actually own the land. So instead of owning a depreciating asset, they're actually going to own an appreciating asset.

[85:19] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and I'd say the other big difference between a manufactured home is that it's still on a chassis, right? So you can insulate it all you want. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: but it's still not going to be anywhere near near as energy efficient as a modular home. I think if we take that approach with all our mobile home parks. There's going to be a large segment of the community that will be pushed out of Boulder. Yeah. So just to be clear, that's not the intent, you know. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah, yeah, I know that's not the intent. I just wanted to be clear. Honderosa was a unique situation. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It could be a model for other communities. But it's not something the city is pushing. Was that unique because of the damage done by the flood, like there kind of wasn't

[86:07] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: a choice, so to speak, get like if the Comp plan is to preserve and protect. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But that's but that's kind of going a new direction, is is it because of 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: it is 2013. Contrary to the existing policy, right? Preserving, existing manufactured housing communities. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So yeah, there was a special. I mean, it was a decision that was made by Council 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: to allow the conversion. Because that's the what's unique about our policies and and code is that you can't redevelop 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: mobile home parks in building 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: most of the communities. That's what that's the biggest threat is that an owner could sell it right and redevelop it and 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: super high end bouncy. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But as part of that decision the concession that was made was, we're gonna a commitment to no displacement, right? So anybody who lives in Ponderosa

[87:06] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: will be allowed to purchase one, and the city will help subsidize that 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: through a second mortgage program. So, regardless of what your income is, you'll be eligible to purchase a home in wander us. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But they still did lose a lot of people. They did. Yes, yeah. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: There was a mobile home park on the north side of Belmont from the Mapleton Mobile Home Park, and it was a largely 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: among the ocean community. And right now there is an affordable housing partner. Yeah, and they they lost 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: that among you. It! 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I think it just took so long to develop that they couldn't 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: like, where would those people live before they could qualify. I mean, that was a significant displacement. I see there's 2 elements to it. There's the economic reality like Mobile Home Park run is what like $1,200 a month. I pay 390,

[88:12] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: 3, 90. Okay, that's pretty good. I've seen. I've seen it up to about 12. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Mapleton's different because we're we're a land trust. I'm also looking. It says Lot rent, but I don't know if that includes utilities. It depends on the park. Yeah, it's different by the different parks. Ponderosa. And we just heard from Cindy that also includes the water. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So we pay the water. Ponderosa. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the that's not quite accurate. Yeah, I was gonna call her, and make sure that that number's right. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Call. Who or the woman who? Marguerite Marguerite. Yeah. Marguerite. Well, it depends. The market rate market rate is going for like 5, 45, 50 a month and then the lowest income is is 3, 90. Okay.

[89:12] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: yeah, I'll I'll get that number fixed. I was thinking about that today when I realized I was gonna see you. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So the the lot rents vary across the different parks. You can tell all of those that are in the 900 range are private owners. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and they also have, of course, a different kind of a community amenity I've got to check on the utilities. I'm not sure on where they all stand. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So the last charge, the priority from City Council. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: What about your idea in the task list to go out and see if you can partner with the private owners to see if we could 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: find a way towards getting some reduced or limitations on rent increases. So myself, Kurt and the deputy Director of Utilities has met with all 3 of the owners

[90:02] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: of Boulder Meadows, Orchard Grove, Vista village, and the answer was, no, the answer was, Thank you, but no, thank you. Our infrastructure is working. We've invested in our distribution system. Our water tests are fine. And we just don't need this right now. The language included things like, we don't believe in rent restrictions. We don't want you to come in and tell us what our rents have to be. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: What we did here. An interesting tidbit from one was if you wanted to put together your own subsidy program, we'd be happy to work with you and with with our clients in need. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: they did, you know, outside of saying they wanted to be a participant in any type of investment in their infrastructure. They did offer to share more information about the status of their infrastructure. Currently, 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and they also told stories about all the things that they're trying to do in their community, and the fact that they do accept 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: vouchers for rent and when people get in trouble they work with them, and or they accept any of the subsidies that may come from the not for profit or local

[91:07] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: church communities to help people. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: That was all they offered us today, but we'll stay in touch. We've got a new set of friends out there in the property owner role. It's it's always nice for them to meet new staff across time. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah, I mean the picture I'd like to paint 1,000 lot rent if it's a pre 1980 mobile home, you know, a family of 7 can come in and buy that for pretty cheap, because it's falling apart, and if the government was there they'd condemn it. So they get this, and then they can have 7 people for 1,000 bucks a month, plus whatever the small amount they paid for this 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: house, and 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I feel like if boulder housing partners came, and they'd be like this doesn't comply with boulders, human rights standards, or something. You know that boulder boulder housing partners just has higher standards than the Malone parks, and that's a good thing in a certain respect.

[92:05] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But if we impose those standards in the parks, it will push out a lot of people from our community as well. That's the balancing act, and 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: that's I. That's something I try to. It's it's a hard thing to grapple with. But I think when we make policy that's intended to improve quality of life for people, we also need to be mindful of the practical reality of 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: improving, you know, improve. Quality of life tends to be more expensive and a barrier to entry. And I'll just stress there are. I mean, there's some people who just don't want to live in government run housing for personal reasons. But there's also people for because of their immigration status, that's that's, I think, very common. And I think that's something that we as a community need to be mindful of is. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you know, that the 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: that's a that's a that's an important part of our community. Yeah. And I'm seeing that as well. Thanks for sharing it. It's

[93:01] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It is a pride and home ownership at a certain space, and it is your own 4 walls. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: You're not attached to other people and other interests. So I hear people that that's 1 of the reasons that they've made that lifestyle choice. There's so many different reasons for people who I've talked to, why they're living in manufactured housing. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It's wonderful that that option is existing, and it is where it is today, and I will take. I will not go out and buy out a bunch of mobile home parks and make them into public housing, nor will boulder housing partners. They learned a very painful lesson at Red Oak Park. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yes, which was the place, that is, that was really displaced a significant population. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: despite having good intentions. As Karen said it just it took too long. It was unrealistic to expect that people would move somewhere else 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and then move back. So on a personal level, like, I think, what makes Boulder such a cool place to live is like we are a rich city where the Median home price is like 1.5 million dollars. But at the same time we have these communities where immigrants can live, where, you know, we have some diversity, and I think the the Mobile home parks play a huge part in that. And I I'm afraid that if we get rid of our Mobile home parks.

[94:26] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the demographic of our commute that'll go away. Contemplate for your presentation to city Council is just a slide or 2 about 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the value, the vibrancy, the wonderfulness of the mobile homes. And why? Why? The why, the community cares about them? You you kind of not to criticize too much. But you kind of started off by 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: describing it as a certain kind of product in a certain kind of category. And it it went kind of straight into like. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: You know the the nitty gritty. And so like maybe just a couple of slides that show some pictures of the community. And

[95:07] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I get a sense of who lives there, and why we value these neighborhoods would be a 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: a nice improvement for for the presentation. Thanks, Phillip. It's fabulous. Input yeah, no, I agree. I have. I have been thinking about the housing type. But what is most important when we when we're speaking about using the term community in any context, right is. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: who is that community who's share the story that Cynthia shared about the person who painted the murals. And one thing you didn't mention my memory on this. It's gonna be a little hazy because it's an older project. But Reto art off of Bylaw, I believe that was a we were just talking about over here. Yeah, no, it's okay. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Remember about that. And correct me is, they had a very high. I think the term is recapture rate of people who moved out while the homes are rebuilt

[96:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and we're able to move back in and actually track them. They had a high rate, I thought we just said that they tried very hard to get as many people to come back, but but 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: a lot of people did not. I don't know what the percentage is, but I've never heard anyone describe it as do we know why was it a time like, I know. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: ponderosis. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: challenge or potential challenges. That is the timing. Was that the same for Red Oak or well, Ponderosa is different. Because in ponderosa we're we're we're not. We haven't displaced anyone. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So we're building new houses and giving them the option to move into the new homes. And then that makes spaces for the modular homes Red Oak Park. They had to reconstruct the entire park, so everybody had to move out. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: even though Bhp. Found places for everybody 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: to move to a lot of times in Bhp projects. So a lot of it was, people were perfectly happy in their new community, and they'd already established themselves. It took, you know, 2, maybe 3 years to build. So it's hard to say why some people didn't rejoin, and why. So maybe they're perfectly happy where they were. Maybe they weren't in the conversation with the owners of older meadows. There's a hmonk community in there is that probably where people went

[97:25] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: or would just random another small community. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: One thing, I would add in there, I think, would be huge, for the Mobile Home Park is just Spanish language access. One of my biggest regrets in life is that I studied French in high school, but I'm always so happy and content when I see and I get it. But when there's city employees, governments for violent rule. I think that's 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: a huge asset or just an accessible interpretation services, because that's a lot of, I think, a big part of the disparities that I see mobile home parks is. It's awesome, you know, if there's all these resources. But if you don't speak or understand English

[98:08] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: a lot of the time. That's not helpful. So thank you. Yeah, it is. It is a constant focus of trying to make sure that we have the right language access. I was just gonna say, I've interviewed people different mobile home parks and have photos and everything. So if you're in need of something like that. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and their yeah, their stories and and photos that would be fabulous. If you put together. This, I will buy you coffee. I'll come make copies and grab whatever I can. Real coffee. What would you ask to have based on this presentation? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Can I? Just I'm gonna go through this real quick. And then I'm at the very end here. So what? What I wanna stress about the strategy is, we're not done. It is still in place and we've gotten out of 35 act

[99:12] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: action items identified. We're past 30, and the last 4 include things like, can we make a deal with the private property owners, you know. Could we find some more land and build another park? You know some things that are a little bit out of reach at this at this point, especially when what we've just discussed is contemplating how many resources we need to preserve 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: right now. Right? So we're going to continue elevating our homeowners voice. We're going to continue supporting all of the groups and advocates in that arena. We are doing the best we can to preserve housing with whatever grants we can excel just came out with a cooling grant. So Excel is about to have money for air conditioning for specifically tied to mobile home parks. I haven't got the details on that one yet. I'm also working to get rehab money from the same prop, 1, 2, 3, funding. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So, continuing to have things that city employees do well, and that's go out and sleuth money.

[100:05] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: private landlord, tenant eviction, prevention resources. We're we're on the streets every day. And as I said, I've got 3 new friends in the industry. I'm going to spend as much time as I can staying in touch with the property. The private property owners in boulder as we do this work. What would I ask of hab, you guys have already provided me? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: You know, some really good. Input. Thank you for the question about a map. Thank you for identifying the communities. Or people tell some stories about the people and and bring that in 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: breaking out a little bit about the 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: how the Mobile home owner versus the landowner that that we have mobile home owners who have rights to their house but their tenants. And make sure I've told that story a little bit, listing out all the strategies. I was thinking as I was talking that perhaps showing you or handing you kind of the spreadsheet of all of the various action items might be helpful. Was, that does that seem? That would be real very good to have, because I kind of feel like you've done this great presentation. And then it's like, Okay, what are next steps like

[101:10] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the cool, like, yeah, I mean, that's very 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: big picture general like. But like the goals. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: what success? Yeah, I was actually working on this last slide with crew yesterday, and he said, Just say, continuing the work, but yes, we we will. We will put in some next steps on that one. I'm intrigued by your comment about finding more land and building more parks. I mean, we do have the planning reserve to consider. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'm I'm curious that there, you know we had the flurry of construction in this area in the seventies. It's still going on. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: What's the trend? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Whether or not we would be able to find more land in the planning reserve has not been explored.

[102:01] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I book planning reserve for between 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: 500 to 700,000 for an affordable unit 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: versus a hundred 25,000 for 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: not including the infrastructure and the cost and the property management, I understand. Double it. Yeah, 2, 50. Yeah, that's half the price, even if we looked at what Boulder MoD is creating and added some to that, it's still potentially less than. But you have to remember that you have to remember when when you that's $700,000 a door, $500,000 a door is, it's denser. So you can fit more units on the same 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: acre of land or whatever. But I know there's some people who don't want to live in an apartment complex like they want to so. And if we're talking about looking at housing variety, it just seems like that there should be real effort that they're looking to see if it's a possibility to have another. They are still, I mean, it's not an apartment building, because there's not 5 floors, but they're still very dead like it's much denser than

[103:13] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you know. Residential neighborhood, single family neighborhood right? Much more. Well, I know we can't answer that question in this room, but 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: seems like that's something that deserves consideration. Going back to this. So yeah, there are 4 action items. They have a lot of housing types in planning reserve area 3, that'd be one of the housing types. Yeah. So just to be clear, though, there will be a whole area planning process for the planning, and it will come up. It's not something 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I think you want to say. We should have a mobile home park. It's 1 of the things that should be considered along with other. Just haven't heard it mentioned before until she brought it up. The the modular, the modular homes. And this idea of building wealth is is a significant

[104:07] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: assets to the community. Just just that. You know, we have a lot of younger people moving into our mobile home Park. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And I know. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So you're looking at people with significant challenges. But also the this real need to help people who are the most vulnerable in the community build wealth. Because that that's a huge benefit. And it's something that we just don't have 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And and and so I I like the idea of trying to like, you know, like, How how do you? How do you? How do you combine those? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Well, and I think it's important to understand, like the most. I don't know what the statistics are, but like a lot of mobile Home Park residents own their mobile home, and then they rent the land underneath. There's also many mobile Home Park residents that are just pure tenants. They are. The Park owns the mobile home and the land, and they're just a tenant leasing the unit. And perhaps one thing you know, if the city of Boulder wants to get in the Mobile Home Park business,

[105:23] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you know $120,000 mobile home. There's a lot of people out there, even with a mortgage or something you just they're not gonna be able. They don't the credit whatever. But if there was maybe a rent to own sort of structure where you start off as a tenant, and if you've been there for a few years, there's some model, and eventually a lot of these, you know. If we were to build a new Mobile home park on the Planning Reserve, it could start off as 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: all rented units over time people, if they've been there long enough and they have the money they can transition to ownership. That's also something to look at, which is not something that we typically do with like apartment buildings. So I think the way that mobile home parks are zoned sort of offer that flexibility and that people

[106:11] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: can be tenants, low income tenants. They can also be low income owners of an asset as well. It's gonna have to be something branded. There may be, there may be another, you know, hybrid model, or something else that we will start 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: uncovering as we continue working with Boulder MoD, and also the conversion work at Ponderosa and trying to figure out how to preserve housing in the parks. There's a lot of again, just factoids and stuff from the national scene. There are people in the national arena who are looking at 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: changing the law around chassis 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: right now. The mobile home industry, the manufactured housing industry requires that their product be erected on a chassis, which is so as we've discussed here, not pragmatic, you're not picking up that thing and rolling it anywhere. And so that seems to also be a kernel of what we unlock with potential to do the housing differently if it was put on a foundation

[107:06] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: in a different way. I want to change the subject slightly from what's currently being discussed. Is it still with affordable? Is it still with, Oh, yeah, it's definitely I was also going to say, I've been sitting here chatting at you for an hour and 15. You have a pretty big agenda, so I'm happy to wrap up also and come back. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Rap. But, boy, we got a lot of great information out of this and great feedback. 1 1 is 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'm extremely concerned about the lead that's being sprayed over. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: missed a village from the airport. There's a lot of studies that have been done that show that neighborhoods like that one 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: are extremely vulnerable to permanent damage from lead toxic poisoning. There's very fine particulate coming out of those particulates of lead coming out of those planes and in high doses. And if that's not on your radar of things to be concerned about. I would like I would like it to be

[108:17] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I think that community really deserves to be educated about it and be told the truth about what's going on with the amount of lead that's being sprayed over their their kids. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: second thing is, when you reviewed your list of things you were taking from this meeting. I didn't hear something that kind of, echoed 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the the speech that Chip gave 2 or 3 times about the tension between 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: increased improve, you know, improving in legal safety, and and the kind of vulnerability of retaining the the residents and the possibility of condemnation. I would I I really thought his points were quite eloquent, and and deserved to be

[109:05] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: noted, or somehow incorporated into this discussion. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Noted. Thank you. I have a question. So I understand the structure of 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: a ground lease, and you either own or rent your unit. But how is that different than like the community land trusts that thistle and other affordable housing 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: advocates will use to reduce the home ownership because they don't own the land, and so you don't necessarily have to answer that question. But is this in S or mobile home parts in essence, like a community land trust structure like, what's the difference between like a land like a ground lease versus that 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I would get more information to be correct in this one, but for the most part those which are resident owned communities. When they establish what they are operating from, they set the terms of their land ownership. It's shared across the investors of the you know, who are paying the loan on forming the cooperative or whatever their organizational structure is. Oftentimes they are community land trusts, elevations could be land trust subset of the urban

[110:19] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: conservancy. I was about to say. They are also out right now, working with both rock communities and doing some purchasing on their own to set up some of the Mobile home parks in Southwest as Land Trust. My understanding is the rock communities. They can still evict their residents like any other mobile home Park. You own the community, but you don't 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: own the land like you're part of this collective ownership if you're one of the owners. But if you stop paying your rent. They can evict you from your lot. You don't own your lot. And like Fee simple, does that make sense? Yeah. But I don't understand how that relates to like the concept of a community land trust. And the Co-OP can evict anyone who doesn't pay their

[111:07] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: yeah, they're right. Yeah. You don't own anything when you're in a home, you own shares in that corporation. Right? Yeah. Maple chair is a community land trust. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Sorry Mapleton is a community partnership with Thistle. So typically a land trust, a nonprofit owns the land, you know, in that example, they're paying rent for that land. But typically the Land trust model right? You own the building. You own the structure which is an appreciating asset, and you're getting all the benefits of homeownership. And you know, Federal tax benefits. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: You're not getting the same benefit with a mobile. It's a depreciating asset. Typically, you're paying interest. You know, anywhere from 15 to 20%. And it's a chat flow. You're not getting the same tax benefits. So in theory, could the Mobile Home Park be structured like a community land trust, so that it's an appreciating, not a depreciating asset, and that you could get a mortgage on your unit as opposed to a channel.

[112:09] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I think that's where she's going with the whole. You know. Redefining what a chassis is. Okay? Yeah, okay, we've got some discovery ahead. Ponderosa, as Jay pointed out, is an Hoa and the Hoa owns the land. So all of the members in the Hoa are landowners, not the land directly under their home per se, but they own a sec. Bonus. We take our titles to motor vehicle department. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah, yeah, that's the big difference. That's where mo mobile home is titled and they are. They're supposed to be depreciating. But in Boulder they're appreciating that that was an issue. So we still have to pay 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: property taxes, even 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: anyway, lots of food for thought, because to me, that's a big, those are like, really big issues that maybe get

[113:01] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: part of your, you know, future exploration. Yeah, I'll be back. I'll be back. I have one last thing for you, as you're learning more about this 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: world of mobile homes. There was a documentary a few years ago showcase that housing Colorado, and I think it's called a decent home. And it was about the beginnings of rock communities and some successful and some not not sure if you've seen that. No, but I will watch it. Yeah, I'm on the Board of Thistle, so everything I've learned about rock I've learned from, you know, hanging out with the rock staff and going to meetings and 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: visiting rock communities. Cool? Yeah. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But you guys, thank you so much for this. Jay. Thank you, Tiffany. Thank you for having me 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: lovely to be with you. Sorry to take. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Okay, wow. That was a robust item on our agenda. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and the next item C under 5 is chair and vice chair elections.

[114:04] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So I believe we start this process. Correct me if I'm wrong by asking for nominations, should we do share 1st 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: is there? Does it matter? I don't think it matters. I'd like to nominate Karen for vice chair. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Do we have a second for that? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: You wanna be vice chair. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Okay? I guess we'll vote on one at a time for a spice chair. So one good with 3 other nominations, do we have any other nominations. I'm sorry.

[115:07] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'll just say I think that, Karen, you're very organized, and you come prepared, and we don't always agree on things, but I I really believe that spirited debate is important public policy. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and I think you would do an excellent job as our board chair and Corinne, I think you come with a strong voice, and I hope that you push back at Karen at times, because I really think it's important that we disagree with each other, and we're comfortable disagreeing, because in the end I think we'll have a better product and better recommendations for council. So I think you both would do an excellent job. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And I think that you would not have my support. But I open that up, and that's just what I'd like to see. We entertain debate, and that we all listen to each other, and we make ourselves clear when we disagree, and we take that into consideration.

[116:00] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Thank you again. No, no rush to judgment. Are there any other nominations for chair or vice chair? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: When our candidates like to say a few words in support of your candidacy. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: We don't have to do that. You guys are all ready to vote. Know it sounded good. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: well, in the we're running a little behind in our meeting. So I want to be like conscious of time. But thank you for the nomination, and I'd be delighted. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: My dream job as a kid was to be the boss, but I happily be the assistant to the boss. You're actually backup boss chair all in favor. Say, aye. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and vote for yourself. I believe the nomination passes 6 0 at the end of this meeting. Karen Clayman is now the chair of the Boulder Housing Advisory Board Vice chair. We'll finish this meeting, though. I will finish the meeting. I asked Jay about that, he said. Finish the meeting, Karen Hoskin for vice chair all in favor, time out, time out. No.

[117:17] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Can you pronounce your 1st name, please? So thanks. It's it's Karin. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: There's all kinds of variations. I can't actually pronounce the official way, because I don't have a Scandinavian accent. May I remind people to think about car in car in the garage? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'll do my best to hear it and correct. Now I'm going to call you vice chair. Hoskin makes me more official. Okay, I think we didn't complete that vote all in favor. Say, aye, that presses unanimously. Vice chair. Hoskin is now vice chair. Thanks for all this time.

[118:21] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and thank you for being vice chair. Great job! We can go on to another really great topic. The ad Member Quarterly update the Council. We're probably due for one last time we reported out on a lot of research we did on subjects like housing for the homeless. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I believe. Chip delivered the message to council. It was pretty well received, otherwise, perhaps a stormy meeting.

[119:00] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: do. We might be the best way to proceed on this might be to get someone to volunteer to draft. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah, I was. I was interested in in doing both, if that's possible, because the the 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I well, if I because I have kind of a an agenda of emphasizing what we did in March with the panel on, sharing to kind of like summarize that. But I'd be happy to also include, you know, like split the time with what we talked, discuss this evening. But maybe that's not actually, maybe that's not worth doing, since she's she's council in August. Yeah, she's gonna have the floor for. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: so my suggestion would be that you prepare what you'd like to say and and it will be included in our. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It's this May in our June package, so that we can just do whatever edits we need to. But be aware that we have what 2 min

[120:04] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and you can't say a whole lot. I drafted the 1st one. Everyone had hands on editing, I believe, online. We reviewed it at the next meeting, approved it, and then we got the council. I would have something a 1st draft in the next couple of weeks, so that people can have a chance to 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: go back and forth with me. And I think we've already agreed on the subject matter, so we don't need to discuss that further tonight. Actually, I think it would be great to say something about the panel on shared housing. But 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: for our for our next thing on the agenda, talking about the subcommittee on housing solutions for homeless 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and the subcommittee that we're forming formed. And we actually, we included in our statement. That's part of tonight's port packet, proposed language

[121:10] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: to include in the Quarterly Update. I I think it's probably less than a minute. So there's more for more to add there. But we we are basically, we'd be signaling the council that we have this subcommittee, and we'll be weighing in, really based on their work plan and their consultant work. They're reviewing. That sounds very reasonable. So here's something to think about. If you feel like 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: we are eating into your 2 min to talk about empty bedrooms. In theory we could present 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: more than quarterly the Council so somebody could present. You could present next month, or whatever, and then in one of the people on the subcommittee can can present at another meeting. So 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: yeah, if I recall you just signed up for the meeting and did the presentation like any other member of the public? Yeah, I think it was. It's the Friday before the Thursday meeting. You could do that. I prefer that, because 2 min is Spanish, only a small amount of time.

[122:20] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But I I like the idea that it's sort of our collective update from the board, just like this is everything. We're just the 2 min is 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But you know it's our next topic, like, there's a lot more, I think we want to offer than a 2 min blurb or a 1 min, Blurb. I think the idea is maybe like for our board when we have, like detailed proposals that goes in writing, and then they we pair it with just like a an oral summary to be like, hey. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: read that that letter in your 500 page Council meeting back in. So I guess the question is the the hab recommendation to city council. Is, was this going to be read, or this was going to be? No. So the proposed language we had for the Quarterly update was on

[123:09] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the last page of the proposal is 3 sentences or so, just to clarify for our newest member. This is 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: not a recommendation to council. It's a way of saying to Council, Hey, we've been doing work, and we're paying attention to your issues. We've done a lot of research, and we're going to be developing. We've got some findings. We got actual recommendations coming, and I think it was probably pretty well received. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But I think, Karen, what you were kind of getting to is. So this have recommendations to the Council letter that's drafted. That talks about the 6 Points. What we've been doing the last few months, and then we're forming a subcommittee. Maybe that's 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: sufficient sufficient way to communicate to city council. We're forming this thing. And so this might be in writing, and therefore it wouldn't be subtracting any time that Philip wants to present what the empty bedrooms. Yeah, I think what they need to know correct me if I'm wrong is we're paying attention to what they're doing with their consultant team. And we're gonna

[124:16] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: no mark. Our recommendations to to that is in the memo. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: With that I think we can go on to the next item unless anyone has any other comments. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: About the quarterly update, and we can turn it over to 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: just on the Quarterly update. I thought we were like, gonna vote on a quarterly update tonight to send in June. I don't care if we don't I? Just that was so. That's why I that's why we included that language in the memo to like pair it with whatever other language was there. I left the last meeting, saying I would do it or not, and I know it's been like 2 months since we had a real meeting.

[125:01] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'm okay. If we 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: submit this to city council, the letter, or the you're talking about the memo, and almost one thing we sent was just a memo to this board. The other was a proposed letter to Council. So wait a minute. I definitely want to talk about 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the subcommittee. So let's so. I'm not talking about the subcommittee now, because I have a bunch of comments that I want to talk about, but the one that says, dear members of City Council we've investigated, you know, here are the 6 ideas based on what we've learned so far, like, if we wanted to submit that 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'd be okay. Or if you wanna wait and not submit anything until you've done more analysis. I'm okay with that, too. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I wanna submit this. Now 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the letter. Yeah, I'm fine with submitting. I mean we have to vote on it. Yeah, I think the only question that I have. And this goes back to our subcommittees. I'm not really sure I understand the difference between temporary housing and transitional housing and

[126:14] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and so that's like the only word that I might want to edit out of that letter. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Where is that? The very bottom? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: The Subcommittee will investigate and make additional recommendations subject to approval by the Housing Advisory Board, and I'd be fine with like period 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: as opposed to on temporary housing, transitional housing, and permanent support of us. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'm okay with. If it's period after that, are you worried that we're going to start talking about shelters. Is that your concern? Yeah. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Well, 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I do. That is one of my questions is, what is the definition of temporary housing versus transitional housing. So are we still, are we still talking about the Quarterly update? Or maybe we should circle back to the Quarterly update after we do that because

[127:09] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the the homelessness 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: okay, my understanding with the quarterly update is that for the next meeting you're gonna draft. What you want to say mostly about the empty bedrooms. And so nothing is being discussed today other than the strategy that we're gonna be able to vote on it next month of what the 2 min are that you're gonna talk about? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Would that do we meet when 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: sorry? What am I trying to say? When do we meet in relation to when you would be able to attend the council meeting. So I mean whatever 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: we just, you know, it's there's 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I don't want to craft it in the meeting right now. So we'll just have to wait till after the June meeting, which I assume is at the end of June, and so it'll be sometime in July. So councils on recess until July 24.th Okay, thank you.

[128:14] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So it sounds like you're going to council on July 24, th and in our June meeting you're gonna come with a proposed statement that we'll all discuss and vote on. And you know, we'll we'll either so you know what I kind of go back with will be kind of PIN. Be pending this discussion on, we proposed a few sentences, but 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: it doesn't have to be set in stone in the board package, nor does it sound like it needs to be included in any way, because we are going to submit. This letter 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: don't have to consider that that makes my job easier. Yeah, so would you prefer. We talk about the committees and its work first, st or whatever

[129:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: it makes sense. The committee first.st 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Did you know Molly from before? Did you just meet her tonight? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: connected with her about writing? Thank you.

[130:06] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Got it. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I was told by city staff recently that I'm I'm a city official because of my role I have. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: You were talking about. You have to take a chair off of your 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: up your Linkedin account, or whatever. But I but I I have made a joke that if I'm a city official I'm updating my business card City official. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I once had a business card printed. They were supposed to say freelance writer, because that's what I did. And it came back and it read freelance waiter by hand. Okay, we're going to turn over to our new subcommittee chairs. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the ad subcommittee on housing solutions for homelessness to talk about what they're thinking about. We do have something in writing that will guide us.

[131:04] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Would you have that in front of it? Or if you've ever reviewed it? So okay, I'll just go over the high points and chip you can chime in, and then you can ask whatever questions 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So there's the concept and how it was presented in the March meeting. But now it's kind of bulleted, and in 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: writing, so be Chip and I, as the subcommittee members. So this is the subcommittee on housing solutions to homelessness. So the goals are high level to offer assistance to the Council with action items identified once they receive and have made those action items from the clutch consulting report. There was some concern about what happens. If Council doesn't give any directions. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: then we can go through some through some topics, and how we choose that hold that thought, we'll get to it. The focus again is only on housing solutions to homelessness. That's been really clear? I think so. The process is that have would review what the 1st step is this letter?

[132:12] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Review it, approve it, send it. Then the the hope is that have would receive word from Council regarding those action items. Once they receive the clutch report then the subcommittee would do the work, the homework. So again, that the concept is is that 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the subcommittee would be 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: just offering assistance to do research or footwork, or whatever it is to help counsel in their action items. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Chip and I will then report to have and then have collectively reports back to city council. So there's it's always that 3 step process council to have to the subcommittee back to hab back to the city council. Does that make sense?

[133:01] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So as far as the topics. The number one priority is really those action items coming from city council 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: cross our fingers that they give us some but there's other options. We kind of divided it into temporary housing, transitional housing, permanent, supportive housing, funding, funding, taking a look at front range services. So again, this. So this this came from Chip and I sitting down, and what has been talked about in hab over time and what we kind of brainstormed. So 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: if Council gives us an action item. I'm trying to think of an example. I can't think of something, and it's like how would we get funding to purchase mobile homes 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: just made that up. Then we would look at. Ha! What that could be. We report what we found back to Hab, and then hab makes the official recommendation or report on what we found to city council.

[134:07] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: If city Council does not give us action items, and and we need to kind of skip to that 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: where they don't give us. We would take a look at this chip, and I would pick like one or 2 or 3 things I don't know. Come to have and say, Hey, these are the 3 things that we were looking at. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Looking into. This is who we would talk to. This is what we're hoping to find out. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: What direction do you want us to go and have collectively would say, please don't look into that. Don't waste your time. Please look at this specifically, and you should also talk to so and so, and we'd say great. And then we do our homework report back to have have reports. City Council. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah, I mean, the idea is, and this is just the structure of the boards is we don't make any recommendations on housing unless we vote on it. And there's 4 4 people who say Yes.

[135:09] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and then it goes up. And when I say we, I mean the 7 of us, or whoever shows up. But there needs to be 4 people in order for it to go to council. But if Council sends directive on housing, housing to the Homelessness committee current, and I can be. We can discuss it. We can come up with concrete talking points, present it to the entire board that way. It's a more streamlined, expedited process, and we're not spending 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: 3 h in every meeting, talking about homelessness. Instead, we we can talk for weeks or months, or whatever, and then come and present to you guys, maybe in 15 or 20 min, and 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: it's a more expedited process. Of course, we would still solicit the feedback, and then, if you know, someone doesn't like it, they can speak up. But ultimately it's that's the collective vote, and I'm hopeful, you know if this model works. Maybe we can have other subcommittees for other issues as well. It just seems like this is maybe a more efficient way to tackle a specific issue than the collective 7 kind of being pulled on different issues all the time.

[136:19] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: That's good work. I have a question and either you both. You've been able to meet with anyone from clutch like in a focus group setting or interview. Did they reach out to you and all? We've only met with each other. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: You think there'd be an opportunity, Jay, to 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: to do that, but I haven't had any interaction with Clutch. Interesting. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I mean, I think 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: we want to wait for the report, I think, before we bug them. Well, the reason I asked is a couple of do you think we should meet with them before they well, I mean, I've met with a couple of consultant teams, for example, not housing issues, Civic Center and the Cultural master Plan, which now is called the blueprint, I think. And you know they're eager to get input from community members like yourselves.

[137:08] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'd be surprised if Clutch developed these ideas in a vacuum without consulting with key community members could be an opportunity. And I recall from that study session there was some anger from certain council members. That 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: was the county level. What's it called boulder solutions for Boulder County? Yeah, that apparently there's certain council members did not feel that that consulting group did enough to consult with 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: people in the city, and they were sort of critical. Who did you actually speak to? And and there is some push back there. So maybe for Clutch report to be successful. If we reached out and said, Well. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: we'll talk to you guys. What do you want to know might be worth nosing around, and it could be a 2 way street of where they say, well, these are the things we want, and we'll say we'll present your questions to the entire Housing Advisory Board at the next meeting and report back their goal is to do the report by August. It's going to be released sometime this summer, or was your thought that we just wait for the report and not meddle in the report? I'm not trying to meddle, but you know, like

[138:22] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: my thought was waiting for the report. I didn't occur to me that it would be a possibility to that would be cool if we could invite them to a meeting. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So maybe one of our one of our action items could be, let's reach out to clutch 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and say, we're with the subcommittee, I mean, what do you think? I don't know exactly what they're doing? I just know they were hired to offer 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: a consulting report, so, Jay, if we wanted them to present, would you? Would that be an intro? You could.

[139:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah, it would be Mark Wolf in the city manager's office. He's managing their their contract. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But if you have a specific request I can. I can. I mean my gut instinct. And I think what card was thinking, too. I kind of want to see what their report is, and then be like. All right, I want to ask you more questions about what's on page 7 and 12, or we we don't know, like, see what they have to say 1st and sort of react to it. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I just don't know any more of 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: how they're soliciting input from the community. Or if they. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'm also not clear if they're still soliciting. Input, yeah, that could be done, too. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: There was a comment during they were like, we'll have this report in August, and then some city council. It seemed like felt like that was rushed. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Seems like it would benefit them to ground, test some of their ideas before finalizing a report. And this would be sort of a safe

[140:05] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: environment. To do that. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'd be in favor of reaching out, and I mean it can't hurt step one for us to like. Just set up a casual Zoom Meeting with them, and then maybe at the end of it. Propose? Would you like to present to the entirety of the Housing Advisory Board 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: with you, too, to check it out, and then come back to make an introduction. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah, that's something we could do. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: My vote would be that we let them finish their analysis and we read it. And then we figure out we offer to help, or we ask questions, or maybe they present. But 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I think right now, if we get involved, we're in theory, sort of 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: not me. I don't know if meddling is the right word, but 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: what I expect to see, and the Re. I kind of agree with you, because what I expect to see from these reports is they make like

[141:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: a hundred recommendations. And then I think it really takes actual policy people to say, let's go with 5, 7, and 9, like, you know, the the reports are helpful that I see out of these consultants, but sometimes they're just so broad that it takes someone else to say, All right, how do we actually implement this? And 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you know, the last report I saw was like hundreds of pages, and I was like this doesn't translate to actual policy like someone needs to take this and synthesize it into application. So I I'm kind of, I kind of agree. I'd like to just sort of see. I expect it's gonna be some big report. And then it's sort of I think our job all of us to. How do we break this down into actual policy recommendations? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So maybe, Jay More, the question is, is connecting with mark and just asking if 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: have can receive the report when Council receives the report. Also.

[142:04] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: he's gonna tell you to go to the council meeting. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: but I can ask you mean to ask counsel no to go to when they present to council. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Okay. Doesn't have to be an either, or though like, couldn't we attend council, but also like to read the report. Yeah, no. I mean, it'll be a public document. Okay, the report will be submitted as part of the council packet in advance, so we can read it, and then we can go to the council meeting, where they present it, and Karen and I can meet, and we can come back to the board and say, How do we break this massive report down into actual concrete policy recommendations to council? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I think that's probably the goal. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But, as Karen said, our our hope is, we will get requests directly from council on things to focus on, because it's more likely to listen to our recommendations if they're consistent with what they want and then we're gonna wait for the report. And then, 3, rd if we don't hear anything, we're gonna

[143:10] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: kind of tackle things on our own. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'm looking at their website for the 1st time, and they only do consulting on this issue, and they promise results, including on tough issues like encampments. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Okay, so we can be helpful. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Is there anything more? The latter you want to make? Actually, I have a bunch of comments on the committee thing, but I don't wanna 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: anybody else want. I don't mind being the last person to talk so 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Philip and Cindy, do you have any comments on the proposal. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Okay, alright couple of things. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: the other the other possible topic. So you talk about temporary housing. But I don't quite know what that means like, how how is that defined?

[144:09] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So all roads offers temporary housing sheltering. Yeah. Okay, 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I read in the news that there's that small shelter for Myers that closed recently together, lost their funding. They closed yesterday or day before. Yeah. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And I've read in the news that all roads is losing funding from the county. So all roads lost about a couple $100,000, and so the 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: it's reduced. It's overnight beds from a hundred 80 to a hundred 60, 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: not because there isn't room, but because they can't pay staff. So one thing we have the power to do is collectively speak to council on budget. So that was a county decision.

[145:12] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: right? I know it wasn't the city that cut it, but we could tell the city step up. That doesn't feel. But we're the City Advisory Board. We don't get to advise the county. So what other questions do you have? I'll go through all of them so temporary housing. How is it defined? I thought we discussed. We didn't want to focus on sheltering 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and then, when you talk about what other, what about other partnerships and faith groups. I think that relates to everything like that could relate to temporary housing that could relate to transitional housing that could relate to 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: permanent supportive. So I feel like it. It could get moved somewhere else. Can all routes physically expand? You'd have to build a new building. There is, there is a lot behind them, but I think you'd get a lot of objection from the neighbors about too much

[146:09] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: affordable housing in that neighborhood, and if they can't fund enough beds, I mean, I don't mind you asking, but I kind of already. I sort of. So let me let me just pause. Yeah, right now. So these were just brainstormed ideas. Yeah. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: really, the hope is that we're gonna get direction from council. And I understand that that might not happen. But this is a list. It can even be a document that we create. That's a shared document that 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: anybody could add to the list. And again, what if we don't get direction from council? Then Chip and I will 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: really look at these much more closely and come up with like a really solid proposed topic. Okay, in relation to permanent supportive housing, we should look at Blah blah and come up with 2 or 3 and see what the board wants us to dive into. Okay, so I wouldn't. I guess. What I'm saying is.

[147:09] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: don't get your thoughts, but don't get into the weeds on this. This is a brainstorming document. I hear what you're saying on the shelter stuff. But the way we see it is, let's leave. Let's leave all options on the table from my perspective, I think, for a lot of the shelter getting into all roads, or whatever other shelter options are. That's step one in the process to eventually ending up at Bluebird, or maybe in boulder housing partners 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: being self sufficient, you know, like it's it's how people get in. I know that there's different routes into this. You and I attend that meeting. I remember you took a picture of that like 20 Lane highway. But I think we just need to lay out all options on the table. I don't think that sheltering should be off of it, Karen and I agree that 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you know a shelter is a form of housing, and I think, most importantly, that one night someone goes in the shelter they could get connected with a social worker that leads to

[148:11] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: much better, more permanent housing options from down the road. Okay, so I recognize that a lot of what I'm talking about is more like editing and like maybe a little bit too nitpicky. So I'll I'm gonna step back a little bit and say that some of the things that you have in specific categories really could apply to anything. I'm very interested in converting. They 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: vacant commercial space. And I'm very interested in pilot programs of the Sros and Dorm like space, and whether that's 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: transitional or temporary or permanent, like big picture, I think that's those are really exciting things that I would be very supportive. I also think that when you talk about like front range services, what are other

[149:02] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: cities offering and is? And where are they successful? And what have they done? I think that's great. I think the other question is. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: if they're not doing anything, how can we encourage them to do things? Because I think that 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: this is a personal opinion. I think that Boulder is a magnet, because we offer shelters and services and provide affordable housing, and so, if I was a homeless person, I would come where I could get a meal where I could get warm socks where I could have a day shelter. So it's not just what are other communities doing, and what can we learn from them? But how do we also encourage them to do their fair share? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So that boulder isn't the only one that's addressing all this. So I did have that a little bit on a bullet point here. And thank you for sharing the 2 that were really important. That's really helpful. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: If we don't get direction from council, and we have to take a whack at this ourselves. That is exactly the kind of information that's helpful to us that you, for example, would like us to see us. Look at these 2 things, Michael. What would you want us to see? Cynthia, what would you? What do you want? And then it would narrow down, converting commercial to residential. But then we learned.

[150:25] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you know, if this is free market housing. There's a lot of obstacles, but it might be a lot easier, for if we're setting up, you know, some sort of transitional space. So that's something we talked about. And then an idea that Karen brought up that I never thought of is, how can we do some sort of faith based partnership are there? Obviously the city's not gonna tell faith groups what to do. But if there's faith groups who want to help out with this issue, they want that, and they have that interest. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Is there some channel the city can set up to connect them with people. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you know, that's something that certain churches or synagogues, or whatever might want, and if the city could be quite instrumental in that and I just thought of that from when I worked for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. They have entire office that when they come into a disaster there's people who are staffed to partner with all the religious groups in the community that want to help, and just like

[151:22] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: don't really know exactly what to do. So can the city help provide resources and direction and connections with these faith groups that want to help with this problem. That was, that was an idea that we kind of came up with. So yeah, part of this is just to share sort of what we're thinking and get feedback that we can consider. So and I'm not calling the question at all. But I'm just curious about where we're going with this. So 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you're gonna take this feedback, re-edit the document and bring it back to us next month. Or what's 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: this is not enough document we have to approve. You've started a committee. You're brainstorming. You've got great ideas. Yeah. One of the documents is literally for the pleasure of you guys to read. So we can all talk about. It's sort of our update to the board for

[152:10] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: 10 min session. This is what we're thinking, like, I'm okay with saying I'm supportive of that in March. The only thing we need to vote on is, do we approve the letter that we've proposed that we're proposing sending to council. That's something we have to vote on. The other document is an informational document to the Board just to facilitate discussion. There's nothing right on there, and then our next step is 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Will. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: We'll meet again, and probably continue on with our brainstorming and drinking coffee, and then and then we're and then we're essentially patiently waiting for the Clutch report. And my only question. I think it's a good letter. I do wonder if we're

[153:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: jumping the gun on our own intent, given the desire to. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I don't think so, because actually, I feel like the majority of the letter is talking about what we've been doing in the last few months in relation to this topic. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I think we also want to send signal to council. Well, if you have a resource here that's ready to hit the ground running. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: You know. So we're interested looking at what we've been doing. Yeah, we're ready and we're prepared. I would be supportive of the letter if we just do the period after Housing Advisory Board and take out temporary housing transition. So the very last sentence, the Subcommittee will investigate and make additional recommendations subject to approval by the Housing Advisory Board period. Yeah. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'm fine. With that. Yeah.

[154:09] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Well, we could vote in the letter. I want to go back to your 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: upload a mission statement and see if folks have comments about some of the directions. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: We'll keep talking about that for a few minutes 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: again. The process is to solicit feedback. So like when Karen said, We're not voting on anything. But when you say, I want to focus. I like this idea of 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: conversions as it applies to the homelessness issue. That's something that's helpful for us. So we know where everyone personally would love want to think more about Karen's comment on temporary housing, because I think you made a great point that temporary housing is going to be the beginning of a transition to permanent housing. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: so doesn't hurt to keep thinking about it.

[155:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Decide later whether at least an actual recommendation. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Well, and we'll see if Council wants us to dig into that right. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Other than that. I think it's a good memo to 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: provide a framework for you want to talk about. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I would just mention that, like Karen, I'm also very interested in piloting. That's something that sparks my imagination and interest 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you have any thoughts, Cindy. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Not right now. Okay. Any other comments on what I'll call the memo. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And are there other comments on the letter of the few edits that have been suggested and accepted.

[156:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I just want to acknowledge that the main body of this letter was drafted by Karen. I like, added a couple of sentences. This is not me. I just want to acknowledge that she was angling to be here. You did it. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and then I'll just note I I feel like I I don't offer any recommendations or participate when it comes to funding for 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: eviction prevention services. I just. I've disclosed that as a conflict when I applied for this board, so I recuse myself from that portion letter. That was not. I did not add that in there 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I think it says something like continue funding. I just take no position on that. We feel like we're ready to go down the letter. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: All right.

[157:00] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'll make a motion that we submit this letter to council about what we've learned 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: about housing solutions for our homelessness. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: One second, that all in favor. Aye. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: that passes unanimously. We'll be submitting this letter to council. I guess that will come from me, because I'm still chair for a few more minutes. You guys can. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I can't imagine they'll scrutinize the signature, Michael, I will make that edit that, Karen requested, or you can. It's editable. I think we voted on it as as amended. When that is correct. Yeah. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Okay, see what's left on the agenda. Good work. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: See? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Word, plan, word, plan.

[158:02] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Oh, so next month there's a homework assignment, right? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: That review the video. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: We were, gonna watch the video, the whole thing. Okay, great. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And then have a discussion about it. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And do we have someone lined up to do the Housing legislative update. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yes, I believe, Brian confirmed. Right? That's right, that's right, Brian, from housing in our 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Our statement to be read to council as part of a quarterly report. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: July, it looks like 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: actually, july, we have the member of the quarterly report updates, when the report will be made in July. Correct. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: start discussing the next one. So the video you're talking about is that the Housing Equity symposium? We watch that, and then we come here and talk about it. Next meeting, we would actually just watch it over the meeting. Okay, together. Is that the one that was the town? It's like 3 h the whole thing. We're not doing 3 h. We're doing Clay Fong's presentation on the history. Okay? Which is

[159:24] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: 40 min. As I recall. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I read in the news that I don't know if they've got the signatures, but there's an initiative out there to 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: you know how we recently recommended to make it more accessible to do duplexes and triplexes and single family lots. I read that there's now an initiative for the ballot in November that someone's collecting signatures for to make there be an affordable housing 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: element to that. It's been withdrawn. It's been withdrawn. I don't really

[160:00] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: got the way up close West end. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah. I thought there was another ballot issue underway along the lines of all development has to pay its own way. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: That was withdrawn as well, both of them. Oh, really! Oh, wow! 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I just read that yesterday, and is that? Is that something like when there's ballot citizen led ballot initiatives. The city council often weigh in on that and like. Take positions in an official capacity. No, they don't take a position, but they have to vote to put it on the ballot and the city attorney's office typically will work with 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: people who are advancing. They can override city Council right and get it on the ballot. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: You don't need City Council's blessing to get a referendum on the ballot. Right? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: No. But I think it's like certifying. Yeah. It's more. They have to approve what goes on the ballot, but they don't say, no, we don't think this is a good idea. We're not going to put this on the ballot. Yeah, my limited experience with this my wife got involved with the 2 A which is to renew a sales tax and provide money for parts and culture, and although they got it certified to require a number of signatures.

[161:19] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It did turn into a negotiation council the actual split of the money and the ballot language. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: which I think was a at least at the time, seemed like pretty good outcome. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So there's room for compromise 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: can tell you some stories, but in any event, I guess it's a moot point. If it's not all about city council can weigh in in a variety of ways. Let's put it that way. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: we've got a upcoming item on the work plan on the Bloomberg Harvard City Leadership Initiative. And I attended a focus group on that few weeks ago. It was really informational

[162:09] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and you got some information out of it in a lot of other places. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: putting ideas on sticky notes and then putting dots on the sticky notes. Just a process I think we're all pretty familiar with. So we'll see what happens next. But, 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: It seems like an upside opportunity. I haven't really heard a real definition of where it's going. But you have any enlightenment on that jay. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: No, we're still working on synthesizing those hundreds and hundreds of sticky notes to develop a portfolio of ideas. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So you'll hear more in August or September. One of those 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: looks like we've got something coming up with an impact fees for demolitions and additions, which is something we've talked about conceptually 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: in this group of, I think the idea being, if you build a really big house you gotta pay more

[163:00] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: more of a fee to get that 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: through, and the fee would go into affordable housing. This is still the concept. Yep, same concept, but it'll be an ordinance specific recommendation to council. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And I think I heard that the other idea out there which was to have a tax on vacant properties. Second homeowners is being put off, put off till next year. And why is that just curious? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I did not listen to the council discussion, but I think that was sort of a compromise. It's my understanding. I read something in the boulder reporting lab that they they put too many 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: referendums on the ballot, and people like, No, no, no, no, so too many. Yeah, you gotta pick. So I think they had other things that are being prioritized. It's my understanding. Yeah, that's something they can't just vote on as a council, because it's a tax that has to go to the voters. Yeah, and it's also 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: questionable whether or not we'll immediately get sued.

[164:04] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Hmm! 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: From what I understand this solid possibility that, like, I don't know, I was just when I hear like, Oh, if you're converting 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: a house like the idea is that, for example, what we have for developers is the idea is you're supposed to set aside a portion of the development for affordable housing, and then you have an option to opt out of that and pay money right? Right. But if you're just expanding your home, is there an option 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: to set aside a portion of your home for affordable housing. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: saying, if you're putting on an addition to your home. It's not like a portion of that can go to the portable 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: housing, so it would be just a fee, right? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: But in theory we could say something like, if you're building a house that's greater than 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: 5,000 square feet. Then there's a tax on the square footage above that. And that tax or that fee will go towards under our State constitution. The Government cannot raise taxes unless the people are being taxed. Say, yes, I want to be taxed more. And you need to

[165:19] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: fairly and equally, you can't discriminate just because someone's able to pay more. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Right? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So there's also this Cu master plan which was confirmed. So Laurie call, and the one of the Assistant Chancellors will be here to talk about all of their housing plans. And does that include, like the whole 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: discussion of flood mitigation? And is it like, isn't there some additional controversy about that? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: There's always controversy about? They'll talk about yeah, their housing plans for, but that's pretty still pretty far out, but they have more immediate plans as well.

[166:08] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And then one thing I'd like to add to other areas to explore at the bottom is mobile home parks. It sounds like there's just a lot of interest to that. And we have a new board member who, I think, is probably very informed and educated on Mobile Home Park issues. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I think that's an area of housing that often goes overlooked. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And perhaps that's something we should pay attention to. A little bit more. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I think tonight is just the tip of the iceberg of us figuring out we're interested in this. But 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: maybe we can make recommendations to council. Actually. Do you remember when we were at the veterans 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: site in Lawma, that at the very end. There was this 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: vehicle that was like a self-contained apartment, but it was definitely on, like, I think that would be a cool

[167:12] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: addition, or what whatever I mean that definitely wouldn't 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: that in my mind that is affordable housing 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: is mobile. And I don't know. I I thought that was kind of cool. Yeah, it goes around comes around. I think that was one of our 1st have recommendations. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: And I can't remember the details of it so much, but to make it easier for homeowners to configure their parking beds with utilities so that the tiny homes on wheels could 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: come right in and be like you. I think one thing that's important to understand is that a lot of these mobile homes in our community, whole families, children, and everything. A tiny home. No one. No one has 5 kids and a tiny home, but a bunch of the people who are at the shelter. They're not families, right? So I think it's a different demographic. All I'm saying is like, I think tiny homes might be something we'd want to add

[168:13] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: to this list of potential future dogs. I feel like that's been on the have list. Not that long ago. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah. I mean, there was a recommendation. I could probably pull it out and never went to council. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I think Danny is the only person that was 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: that, you know, that would have remembered that. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah, I have. I won't get into it. Here I have. I've had a lot of experience with tiny homes. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I mean, in the city of Boulder to do like a tiny home park. For example, it has to be the same zoning and everything as a mobile home park trip. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah. So that the what have looked at were tiny homes on wheels. As same as you would have a detached accessory dwelling in your backyard. So not a tiny home village. Okay, okay. That's a whole separate

[169:12] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: issue discussion. Their Council city Council has met many discussions about tiny home villages 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: on wheels or not on wheels doesn't matter. Everybody loves the idea of tiny homes. I think it's a trendy thing right now. So then, when they get into it, they're like, Wow, this is a really inefficient use of land. It's very expensive, and 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: it's it's still a temporary. It's still transitional housing. It's not a permanent housing solution. You can't put a tiny home in the Mobile Home Park right? It's against the city, the city code. So spending our energy 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: more on mobile homes would be more one of the things that I was thinking. And maybe this is like, we don't want to talk about it tonight. But like, if what we're if it takes 3 years to develop permanent supportive housing right? And in the meantime you have people who aren't allowed to encamp anymore. They're being moved along to somewhere else. So like, if there was.

[170:20] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: let's just call it like a Walmart parking lot, where you could put a where you could put a 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: like a 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: like a facility that has bathrooms and showers and people had, instead of car camping. There were these tiny homes on wheels that people could stay in for 3 months, 6 months, and it's supervised and like in my mind, that's better than in campus. But it's not a permanent solution, and it's not a mobile home park, but it's it's a it's better than sleeping in a tent.

[171:01] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So I think we learned that the veterans project. But that's 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: $70,000 per unit solution. Wait the home or the truck, though on wheels or not on wheels. One on the wheel was their like showcase. It was so they could go to places to show off essentially what they have 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: just saying. If you want to talk about that, you have to look at the cost benefit of spending 70 versus, say 1 20 and getting something that's more like a quote, unquote, real home that someone could live in for a long time. Yeah. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: but that's what it comes down to is you spend a lot of money for that tiny home, or on wheels, or even that tiny home village. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and for a little bit more you could have a permanent solution. The tiny homes are kind of like a lammy thing like I'm in my early twenties, and I want this tiny little house looks like a ski lodge, and it has all these luxury features. I've seen a lot of that on like Tiktok and Instagram like, you know, it's that I feel like, that's the tiny home market. It's kind of there was actually a guy who tried to develop that idea using dumpsters.

[172:22] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Anyway, I'm gonna let the next chair deal with that on the next update. Anybody has any final questions before we go to matters from staff 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: we can we do another like tour this summer? It seems like, and like. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Yeah, where should we go? Should we do some of the 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I mean a few of us got to go to like rally flats, but not everybody did. What if we did like? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I don't know. Rally Flats! Would it make sense to drive around and look at the various mobile home parks and see how they're different.

[173:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So it is private property. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: So we, I think we have to be sensitive. We need permission from them. It's their part. We can't be like the Government's here to inspect. We have permission to visit Mapleton and learn more about that. Okay? And then last year we did. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'm happy to organize a bike tour driving tour. Whatever you guys want to do, I think you should come volunteer at the factory. I think that would be so fun. I was there Saturday. I think the factory is very interesting. I think a lot of good can come out of that. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: How about a bike tour and a volunteer day? I wish we bike to the modular factory and you guys volunteer, I'll drive to the factory. Too much lawyering people getting hit by cars in my life. There's a dedicated bike path the entire way, is there? Along a

[174:02] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: oh, along Boulder Creek back there and then your site works for the 2 blocks. Gotcha 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: anybody else on the work plan matters from Staff. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I don't have anything specific to. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Okay. So, meeting debrief, which had a great presentation 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: from Molly Tayer on the manufactured housing strategy, we had a wonderful icebreaker orchestrated by vice chair Hoskin never have to say her 1st name again. We elected a new chair and vice chair. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: We talked about the Have Quarterly Member Update to Council, which we will review and vote on next month. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: We heard a great presentation from our new subcommittee on Housing Solutions for homelessness, and approved a letter with recommendations to send them to council. We reviewed the Have work plan.

[175:03] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: and made some suggestions for future additions to the work plan. We had no matters from staff at the next meeting. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Next meeting is Wednesday, June 25.th In the same place. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: correct, great. We also talked about a bike tour this summer, and possibly doing some volunteering at the back group. You just decide if you want to do that instead of a meeting, or in addition to 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I don't know. We've got our meetings pretty booked up. What would that be? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: August? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Might wanna wait till September when it cools down a little bit. Yeah. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I think, in September. Great. Well, thank you, everyone. Do I hear a motion to return? 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: I'll make a motion to adjourn ahead of 9 o'clock. 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: Second, all in favor. Hi.

[176:07] 05.14.25 HAB Monthly Meeting: thank you, Tiffany.